Re: [MBZ] 201 index
Jim, http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/Main.html I give up! How am I supposed to use it? I realize I need to have the CD, but then what? -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Allan Streib wrote: I'll also add, that for reasons I can't explain, our LG front-loading washer seems to discharge less lint than the old Amana top-loader it replaced. I believe that front loaders don't beat up the clothes as much as a top loader. Less wear means less wear material in the water. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
The new ones have a system that balances the load with either liquid or balls around the drum. As for soap we all used too much in our wash. Douglas - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have LG front loaders (2years now), SWMBO is very happy with them. They have huge capacity which ultimately reduces water and energy usage. We have one, I like it except it tends to leak if you use too much detergent, or have a seriously off-balance load. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
I need to get a front loader one of these days. My 10 year old top loading maytag really chews things up sometimes. If you put a big blanket in it, it will chew up a corner. Sometimes it will even chew up other things such as towels and other things. Mitch Haley wrote: Allan Streib wrote: I'll also add, that for reasons I can't explain, our LG front-loading washer seems to discharge less lint than the old Amana top-loader it replaced. I believe that front loaders don't beat up the clothes as much as a top loader. Less wear means less wear material in the water. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:05 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
Much as I like the VW diesel I don't think your car will make 500,000 without a rebuild. I did some research back a couple months ago and it appears that many VW diesels get rebuilt at ~250,000 and many more (most?) by 400,000. That said a short block for one is about the same price as a rebuild kit for an MB... They were cheap cars, ment to be thrashed and rebuilt. Apparently they cannot suffer any kind of real engine mistreatment at all and expect to survive. That said I'd like to find one around here in good condition. I *think* I know of a diesel Dasher wagon but even if I wanted to talk to my highschool drama teacher again (no way) that car hasn't run since '90 at the latest. -Curt Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:45:29 -0500 From: Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My VW Quantum diesel has 213,360 on the clock and is running strong. Starts much quicker than my 240D in cold temps. I'd put it up against ANY Benz for fun and reliability. Loren babied it, the next owner trashed it, I've (after a rebuild) driven it, and soon the pending Okie owner will thrash it. This car will laugh at 500K on the odometer. Yea, the Benz has history and a giant cool factor. But the vintage VW diesel has a lot going for it. I'd LOVE to find a rust-free diesel Rabbit. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 index
http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/Main.html I give up! How am I supposed to use it? I realize I need to have the CD, but then what? Depends on your system, and there's several possible ways. I use a Mac (Linux would be the same) and made a link to where the PDF's live: cd dir_of_your_choice cp path_to_where_you_stored_it_first/Main.html . ln -s path_to_201_iso_pdf_directory PDF open Main.html or, if you'd copied the 201 CD to a hard disk somewhere, there's a directory in it called PDF. Copy Main.html to the directory that contains the PDF directory. (Don't put it down into that directory with all the pdf files.) Open it there. You could also just hand-edit Main.html to make the anchors all point to the right place. There aren't _that_ many of them. As it stands, the links all just want to open PDF/file.PDF, so you just have to arrange things so that such a path works. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Signal booster
Do any of you have any use for a 802.11b wireless signal booster? I got it without paying attention [actually I didn't know then] that the 'b' would not work with my wireless G. They work down the improvement ladder [n receives g and b, g receives b, but b will not be stable for boosting g or n - according to Linksys]. It is a Linksys booster and stacks on a Linksys wireless router. Happy so ship it to someone with a 'b' system for postage. BillR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Price of no #2
Sign above #2 pump day before yesterday said, Diesel $4.299. Yesterday, it said, $4.149 with pump shut down - empty. Today, it says, $4.099 and still shut down - WTF? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
I don't see lowering the rear diff would have gotten around this tab. -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: See what Kaleb wrote. If there is a problem getting the springs out with just the shocks loose, then you can cut loose the diff, and the springs will drop out. Kleb should know what it takes to get springs out of a 123. Unless the rubber parts have been replaced recently, you WILL need new rubber spring perches/shims. There is also a rubber perch for the tops. Get them also. I am betting that replacing the shim perches will help most of the problem, but the subframe mounts and the subframe bushings are also quite likely causing part of the sag. For a beater, I am betting that just working on the rubber parts above and below the springs will help immensely. Don't be afraid to put in a size or 2 larger shim than what came out. At 04:11 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: This is not always true, certainly not on my 85 300d. There is a tab on the subcarrier that the rear arm rests on preventing full decompression of the spring. The autozone rental spring compressor that goes through the middle works just fine. Curt needs to see what size shims he has in there now first and then go next size up. -Rolf Loren Faeth wrote: buy the rubber shims You need no compressor on the rear. Just put a separate jack under the outer end of the lower control arm (LCA), then unbolt the shock. with the shock loose, the LCA will lower enough, (under control of the jack) to let the spring drop out. You may need to drop the diff too, but I don't think so. Been a while since I did a 123, and the last one I did, i was rebuilding the whole rear subframe. While putting in the shims, you will find out if the springs are broken. The old 111 220Sb American model would need springs replaced. On newer models, I tend to agree with Marshall. bad springs are rare. At 02:36 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: My wife pointed out yesterday that my pants have gotten a bit saggy, it turns out that since we've gotten the dog I've dropped nearly an entire waist size... Anyway the rear end of my 240D looks saggy and when I used to drive it would sag noticably while refueling. Fred and I talked about this the other day at the ChowdaQ and he reminded me that Marshall insisted that MB springs don't wear out... He also said somebody at Rusty's said they sold lots of 'em... They're $86 apiece from Rusty which seems reasonable if it'll fix the problem. He's also got spring shims in 9.5, 11 and 19mm which I vaugely remember Marshall saying were the way to fix saggy cars. The shims are MUCH less expensive, $6-$7 apiece. So should I just maybe get a couple 11mm shims? How does one install them, do I need a spring compressor? Thanks -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] no gas in georgia
The undeniable issue with using corn is that it raises the cost of everything else. So instead of just giving them tax breaks and farm subsidies, we also have to pay more across the board for everything from milk to cereal to batteries to soap. Sugar cane and soy are no different. It doesn't matter how effective ethanol production is these days when we are using food stock as we are. -Rolf, who was never on the debate team. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: you would be correct. Wonko the Sane wrote: I seriously doubt if Kleb was captain of his high school debate club. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: kleb has a monstrous intellect. you are foolish to underestimate him in any contest of eristics! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Secret message for Kaleb -- you do NOT want to debate Loren on engineering issues. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is not so. Can you prove that statement in 2007 or 2008 costs and production? At 06:33 PM 9/24/2008, you wrote: well the reason its that cheap is because the gov subsidizes it. It takes about a gal of gas to make a gal of E85 Loren Faeth wrote: Who's making fun of ethanol now? Our gas is $3.35 and there is plenty of it available here, along with E85 at $2.55 At 09:08 AM 9/24/2008, you wrote: my zip code says i live in lilburn, GA, but i don't live in lilburn any more than i live in snellville (probably even less so), lawrenceville or stone mountain. the name traditionally given to the area is five forks, which today really amount to just a relatively small cluster of strip malls, gas stations and fast food joints. there are 4 gas stations: Quicktrip, shell, chevron and kroger. only the kroger has gas and there is a huge line to get some. the rest are all dry. when a station gets fuel, they can sell it for about 4.50 a gallon and they sell every drop. my understanding is that this is the case is much of georgia and the southeast. i'm told this has something to do with it having rained in houston. am i being manipulated and defrauded here? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Y ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
I don't see lowering the rear diff would have gotten around this tab. IIRC, you lower the diff _and_ the subframe too. It all comes down, relieving the springs somehow. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
Douglas wrote: As for soap we all used too much in our wash. Good point. The owner of my local appliance store says: Use half as much as the washer manufacturer recommends. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2
gotta drive up here. no one is out of diesel. everyone is out of gasoline On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:20 AM, Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sign above #2 pump day before yesterday said, Diesel $4.299. Yesterday, it said, $4.149 with pump shut down - empty. Today, it says, $4.099 and still shut down - WTF? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
Curt Raymond wrote: That said I'd like to find one around here in good condition. What about your Quantum? I thought you flew out to Iowa last month and drove it home? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
i'm still in awe of LGs rise. back in the goldstar days, they were the dead bottom of the barrel and now they are held in high esteem the world over. On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We have LG front loaders (2years now), SWMBO is very happy with them. They have huge capacity which ultimately reduces water and energy usage. We have one, I like it except it tends to leak if you use too much detergent, or have a seriously off-balance load. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
I wondered how long it would take to someone to ask. I didna buy it. Its a $1500 car but not a $1501 car... Don hadn't mentioned that at the time none of the doors locked... Its tough to think about driving 1400 miles in a car (and spending the night with a friend in Chicago) with a car that you can't lock. We had a nice dinner with Don and his family, stayed in a nice hotel, saw all the sights of Jefferson and flew home... -Curt --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 10:47 AM Curt Raymond wrote: That said I'd like to find one around here in good condition. What about your Quantum? I thought you flew out to Iowa last month and drove it home? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2
Wilton Strickland wrote: Sign above #2 pump day before yesterday said, Diesel $4.299. Yesterday, it said, $4.149 with pump shut down - empty. Today, it says, $4.099 and still shut down - WTF? Monday I pulled into a station with the huge LED sign reading $3.789 for regular unleaded and $4.099 for diesel. Every pump in the place (diesel and gas) had yellow caution tape wrapped around the pumps and through the handles on the hoses. As I waited for an opening to pull back out onto the street, my thoughts were not pleasant. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2
Hey Wilton - come on down. When I don't have it I sell it for $2.50 a gal. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:21 AM To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Sign above #2 pump day before yesterday said, Diesel $4.299. Yesterday, it said, $4.149 with pump shut down - empty. Today, it says, $4.099 and still shut down - WTF? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 6:28 PM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a lint filter on my washer drain, since we're on a septic system and everything (black and grey) goes into it. Got it here: http://www.laundry-alternative.com/products/Septic_Protector.html Yikes, I didn't know this was a problem either. The place I live now is the first house I've owned that isn't on a city sewer. I know the septic system isn't backing up yet, at least, because the pasture over the drainfield has been nice and green all summer. ;) I agree that the price for the filter system is ridiculous. Got to be a way to rig up something homebrew out of PVC that would work just as well. Maybe take a tip from the biodiesel crowd for filter material? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
An appliance repairman told me to ONLY use a liquid detergent and (like Mitch wrote) use 1/2 what it says on the bottle. The powder stuff does not all dissolve and attaches itself to the outside tub. Chuck On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: Douglas wrote: As for soap we all used too much in our wash. Mitch wrote: Good point. The owner of my local appliance store says: Use half as much as the washer manufacturer recommends. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An appliance repairman told me to ONLY use a liquid detergent and (like Mitch wrote) use 1/2 what it says on the bottle. The powder stuff does not all dissolve and attaches itself to the outside tub. Was this a front- or top-loader? Just to confuse things further: the manuals for every front-load washer I've seen (I've owned two, an Asko and a Frigidaire Gallery Series, and looked at others in showrooms) say to use ONLY powder. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 34, Issue 141
As the former owner of 2 VWDs, your research corresponds with my experience. My 92 Jetta cracked a head at 100k, nursed it along to 140k before it needed a rebuilt head. Bottom end was still good, but the few VWDs that I heard of on various lists that did make 400 or 450k had so much blowby you could attach a hose to the oil fill hole and leaf-blow your yard. My vanagon na engine lasted 165k before catastrophic ring failure; the TD that replaced it had the same thing happen at 106k miles. Overheat 'em and you warp or crack the head virtually instantly. My engines, incidentally, were not run hot. WIth iron heads they'd be a decent engine. ANd maybe the TDs are quieter, but my NA jetta drove me nuts on the highway with noise, which is mostly why I sold it. ALso, the transverse engined diesels are very tight underhood and harder to work on than benzes, especially with AC and PS. A quantum td 5 speed wagon would be my choice of a VWD, as a good compromise between longevity, performance, comfort, economy, servicability and durability. It's no MBZ, but simplicity has its virtues too. Dan On Sep 25, 2008, at 11:18 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much as I like the VW diesel I don't think your car will make 500,000 without a rebuild. I did some research back a couple months ago and it appears that many VW diesels get rebuilt at ~250,000 and many more (most?) by 400,000. That said a short block for one is about the same price as a rebuild kit for an MB... They were cheap cars, ment to be thrashed and rebuilt. Apparently they cannot suffer any kind of real engine mistreatment at all and expect to survive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
Alex, It was a top-loader.. Haven't needed to spend any money on a front-loader Bought last top-loader from Craigslist for $100 four years ago and it's still working. This topic reminds me - back in the early 1940's we had a Bendix front-loader washer and hung the wash in the basement in winter and outside in summer. And before that it was a top-loader with a manual wringer attached.. Back then there was only powder, IIRC. At least the memory works at times, sorta! Chuck On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An appliance repairman told me to ONLY use a liquid detergent and (like Mitch wrote) use 1/2 what it says on the bottle. The powder stuff does not all dissolve and attaches itself to the outside tub. Was this a front- or top-loader? Just to confuse things further: the manuals for every front-load washer I've seen (I've owned two, an Asko and a Frigidaire Gallery Series, and looked at others in showrooms) say to use ONLY powder. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Alex Chamberlain wrote: I agree that the price for the filter system is ridiculous. Got to be a way to rig up something homebrew out of PVC that would work just as well. Maybe take a tip from the biodiesel crowd for filter material? If the lint is in quantities sufficient to clog a drainfield, any reasonably small filter is going to need very frequent cleaning or replacement. I always just assumed the fibers would end up with the solid waste in the bottom of the tank, waiting to be pumped out every five years. Maybe I was wrong? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 index
Just look where the link is pointing from the index, and make sure that the appropriately named files are in that folder. You'll need to copy the files off your CD and onto your hard drive. The links in the index point to files like ../../../w201CD1/PDF/90001a.pdf so it's necessary to have the CD contents in a folder called w201CD1 that exists as a sub-folder within the main folder of the index (the one that contains Main.html). Sincerely, Tyler William H Backman 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Sep 25, 2008, at 4:05 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Jim, http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/Main.html I give up! How am I supposed to use it? I realize I need to have the CD, but then what? -- Very respectfully, /s/ Max Dillon '87 300TD, 310k miles Charleston SC Digest lurker (on and off) since 2001 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Even worse than I'd guessed
I bought an aircompressor at Harborfreight when I was there a couple weeks ago. Pulled it out Monday to realize it had no oil with it. Bought some oil and yesterday started to fill it up. Noticed a little drip from the sight glass, touched it to be sure thats where it was coming from and the end of the sight glass came off... Compressor oil all over the floor... Looks like maybe it was over tightened by some assembly gorilla... I pulled the threaded part out of the compressor and glued the outer bit back on. A chunk was missing, I remember seeing it fall on the floor, so I JB Welded the hole closed. Will try it again tonight maybe, this is not a terrific start... Its a $90 compressor... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2
Friend at lunch said his no fuel price is $0.99. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Hey Wilton - come on down. When I don't have it I sell it for $2.50 a gal. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:21 AM To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Sign above #2 pump day before yesterday said, Diesel $4.299. Yesterday, it said, $4.149 with pump shut down - empty. Today, it says, $4.099 and still shut down - WTF? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bearing question - W123 300 turbo
Thx Andrew, Did you get thru Winchester by any chance? In late Summer the smell of fresh apples is overwhelmingly pleasant! We spent some time in Elkton/Harrisburg area and there's so much history there it's hard to see it all in a couple of weeks! Oh well, always good to save some for next time ;-) I'll make a note if the places you mentioned and try to include stops at them. Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:25 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bearing question - W123 300 turbo Great instructions - thanks. I recommend Pomme Resaurant (www.restaurantpomme.com) in Gordonsville and a visit to Barboursville Winery. Old Culpeper was charming as well. Can't recommend our BB, as the proprietor was a bit too loony and the breakfast was strictly self-serve and mostly nonexistent! On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 4:21 PM, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andrew, Glad you enjoyed your trip to Va. We live near Petersburg and I'm planning a trip similar to yours except I hope to take the 911. Looking at the 3rd week of Oct. If you could list in general your iteniary I'd llike to take a look and consider some of the same places? As far as F wheel bearings. They typically have a couple of sounds - one is like a roar that gets louder with speed - I can only describe it as a giant fan spinning making a giant wind noise. You may also feel a looseness when going around corners - almost like the wheel is tilting as you turn. Replacing the WBs is not a difficult job - jack the front end up and place securely on jack stands - remove the wheels/tires, remove the 2 bolts holding the caliper on and hang it to chassis with some wire. Then remove the small grease cap and you;ll see the bearing nut and the outer bearing. Remove the nut and wiggle the hub off the spindle - the outer bearing will fall out so catch it to keep it falling in the dirt. Use a screw driver to remove the inner grease seal (a new one should always be used) the inner WB can then be removed, then, with a long punch placed into the center of the hub, feel for the small ledge of the WB race (the solid part of the WB that the bearings ride upon) that portrudes into the center of the hub and slowly tap the punch and drive the ace out working your way around so it doesn't become cocked. Keep tapping until the race falls out. When I say tap, it may require more energetic hitting than that implies. Once done, flip the hub over and repeat on the inner race. Before reassembly, get a tube of appropriate grease fom the MB dealer - it comes in a tube with exactly enough to do 2 wheels - fold the tube in half to equally divide it and cut in half - you'll have a container for each wheel. Start the new races (I like to use a piece of wood and a hammer) into the hub and place grease into the center portion of the hub. Before putting the WBs into place, pack grease into all the roller pins (that's the actual WBs). Part of the grease goes into the WBs and part into the cap. There's a small copper thingie that attaches to the axle to cut down radio static - my WB kit came with new ones.(from Rusty). Slip the bearings into place and snug the nut down. This is where feel comes into play. Tighten it and test the tightness by using the tip of a scrrewdriver to move the washer back and forth. A small amount of force should be needed but you should not have to really put weight behind it. Kind of like the force to move a 10# weight. Too tight will cause the WBs to overheat and fail quickly. Next put the caliper (now's a good time to replace the brake pads) wheel /tire and you're pretty much done. Now you can do the other side ;-) Now come back and visit Va again - there's a lot to see! ;-)Good luck - Take Care, Larry T http://youroil.net http://members.rennlist.org/oil/ - Oil Testing http://members.rennlist.org/webercarbs/ - Carb Jet Settings: - Original Message - From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 7:30 PM Subject: [MBZ] Bearing question - W123 300 turbo We took our first long trip in the 1983 30TD - from D.C. to Barboursville and Gordonsville in the Blue Ridge Piedmont country of Virginia. We drove along country lanes and charming little untouched towns, viewing miles of lovely open spaces. We visited James Madison's estate - Montpelier - which was recently restored and now open to the public. Well worth the $14 admission charge. What was most interesting to me was the amount of work they had to do to DEconsruct the
[MBZ] [Fwd: I like this Idea Better A must read]
*Subject:* I like this idea much better This will NEVER happen - makes too much sense! This guy hit it on the head !!! I’m against the $85,000,000,000.0020 bailout of AIG. Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a *We Deserve It Dividend*. To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00. My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend. Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%. Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family? Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved. Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads Put away money for college – it’ll be there Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs. Buy a new car - create jobs Invest in the market - capital drives growth Pay for your parent’s medical insurance / health care improves Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces. If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 (vote buy) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President. If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let?s bail out every adult US Citizen 18+! As for AIG ? liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. Here’s my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t. Sure it’s a crazy idea that can “never work.” But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party! How do you spell Economic Boom? I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC . And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest. Kindest personal regards, Birk T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy Citizen of the Republic PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it’s either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!! Find phone numbers fast with the New AOL Yellow Pages http://yellowpages.aol.com/?NCID=emlweusyelp0001! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part Url: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20080925/de915539/attachment.pl ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Saggy rear end
You just unbolt the shock and the control arm (2 bolts) and it comes right out. Jim Cathey wrote: I don't see lowering the rear diff would have gotten around this tab. IIRC, you lower the diff _and_ the subframe too. It all comes down, relieving the springs somehow. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:05 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
so other than that how big a POS is it? Curt Raymond wrote: I wondered how long it would take to someone to ask. I didna buy it. Its a $1500 car but not a $1501 car... Don hadn't mentioned that at the time none of the doors locked... Its tough to think about driving 1400 miles in a car (and spending the night with a friend in Chicago) with a car that you can't lock. We had a nice dinner with Don and his family, stayed in a nice hotel, saw all the sights of Jefferson and flew home... -Curt --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 10:47 AM Curt Raymond wrote: That said I'd like to find one around here in good condition. What about your Quantum? I thought you flew out to Iowa last month and drove it home? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1690 - Release Date: 9/25/2008 7:05 AM -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2
I'll at least match his price, but I suppose the travel, and the fact that the price goes up dramatically should I happen to have some, makes his deal better. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Friend at lunch said his no fuel price is $0.99. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Hey Wilton - come on down. When I don't have it I sell it for $2.50 a gal. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:21 AM To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Sign above #2 pump day before yesterday said, Diesel $4.299. Yesterday, it said, $4.149 with pump shut down - empty. Today, it says, $4.099 and still shut down - WTF? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: I like this Idea Better A must read]
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00. Nope. It's $425 each, not $425k. The feds did spend close to 1/2 mil per household in New Orleans after Katrina, when it would have been better to give everybody $100k to help with their relocation expenses in moving to higher ground. Here's what Ron Paul said yesterday, before Bush's Speech: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 Dear Friends, Whenever a Great Bipartisan Consensus is announced, and a compliant media assures everyone that the wondrous actions of our wise leaders are being taken for our own good, you can know with absolute certainty that disaster is about to strike. The events of the past week are no exception. The bailout package that is about to be rammed down Congress' throat is not just economically foolish. It is downright sinister. It makes a mockery of our Constitution, which our leaders should never again bother pretending is still in effect. It promises the American people a never-ending nightmare of ever-greater debt liabilities they will have to shoulder. Two weeks ago, financial analyst Jim Rogers said the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made America more communist than China! This is welfare for the rich, he said. This is socialism for the rich. It's bailing out the financiers, the banks, the Wall Streeters. That describes the current bailout package to a T. And we're being told it's unavoidable. The claim that the market caused all this is so staggeringly foolish that only politicians and the media could pretend to believe it. But that has become the conventional wisdom, with the desired result that those responsible for the credit bubble and its predictable consequences - predictable, that is, to those who understand sound, Austrian economics - are being let off the hook. The Federal Reserve System is actually positioning itself as the savior, rather than the culprit, in this mess! •The Treasury Secretary is authorized to purchase up to $700 billion in mortgage-related assets at any one time. That means $700 billion is only the very beginning of what will hit us. •Financial institutions are designated as financial agents of the Government. This is the New Deal to end all New Deals. •Then there's this: Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency. Translation: the Secretary can buy up whatever junk debt he wants to, burden the American people with it, and be subject to no one in the process. There goes your country. Even some so-called free-market economists are calling all this sadly necessary. Sad, yes. Necessary? Don't make me laugh. Our one-party system is complicit in yet another crime against the American people. The two major party candidates for president themselves initially indicated their strong support for bailouts of this kind - another example of the big choice we're supposedly presented with this November: yes or yes. Now, with a backlash brewing, they're not quite sure what their views are. A sad display, really. Although the present bailout package is almost certainly not the end of the political atrocities we'll witness in connection with the crisis, time is short. Congress may vote as soon as tomorrow. With a Rasmussen poll finding support for the bailout at an anemic seven percent, some members of Congress are afraid to vote for it. Call them! Let them hear from you! Tell them you will never vote for anyone who supports this atrocity. The issue boils down to this: do we care about freedom? Do we care about responsibility and accountability? Do we care that our government and media have been bought and paid for? Do we care that average Americans are about to be looted in order to subsidize the fattest of cats on Wall Street and in government? Do we care? When the chips are down, will we stand up and fight, even if it means standing up against every stripe of fashionable opinion in politics and the media? Times like these have a way of telling us what kind of a people we are, and what kind of country we shall be. In liberty, Ron Paul Here's what Ron Paul said today, after Der Fuhrer spoke: Dear Friends: The financial meltdown the economists of the Austrian School predicted has arrived. We are in this crisis because of an excess of artificially created credit at the hands of the Federal Reserve System. The solution being proposed? More artificial credit by the Federal Reserve. No liquidation of bad debt and malinvestment is to be allowed. By doing more of the same, we will only continue and intensify the distortions in our economy - all the capital misallocation, all the malinvestment - and prevent the market's attempt to re-establish rational pricing of houses and other assets. Last
Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2
Yep. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2 I'll at least match his price, but I suppose the travel, and the fact that the price goes up dramatically should I happen to have some, makes his deal better. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 2:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Friend at lunch said his no fuel price is $0.99. Wilton - Original Message - From: Bill R [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Hey Wilton - come on down. When I don't have it I sell it for $2.50 a gal. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wilton Strickland Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:21 AM To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Price of no #2 Sign above #2 pump day before yesterday said, Diesel $4.299. Yesterday, it said, $4.149 with pump shut down - empty. Today, it says, $4.099 and still shut down - WTF? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Even worse than I'd guessed
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought an aircompressor at Harborfreight when I was there a couple weeks ago. Pulled it out Monday to realize it had no oil with it. Bought some oil and yesterday started to fill it up. Noticed a little drip from the sight glass, touched it to be sure thats where it was coming from and the end of the sight glass came off... Compressor oil all over the floor... I don't know if it's a company policy or varies from store to store, but my local Harbor Freight is really good about returns---they'll exchange on the spot for a new one if you have the receipt (and maybe even if you don't if you ask nicely). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 190D AC
Well, the AC saga continues. I had to have the manifold hoses rebuilt, installed them yesterday. Pulled a vacuum for 2 hours, then let it it sit all night and day till this evening, still holding vacuum at same level. Put a little 134 in it, sniffer did not see any leaks. Fully charged and it worked of course. Will see how long it holds. Before it leaked out overnight. That was when I found the leak in the front compressor seal. Or so I though. Replaced the compressor, same leak. Thats when I found the pinhole in the hose, right by the compressor. The other compressor probably was not leaking at all. I also noticed that after a while of running, the heater valve opens back up unless you have the dial all the way to min. Anybody know anything about these 201 climate controls? Wonder if its a sensor somewhere or the control unit. I also dont seem to get much air out of the side vents but do out the center just fine. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Daimler discusses sale of Chrysler stake/no lint content
GERMANY: Daimler discusses sale of Chrysler stake Daimler has confirmed that it is in talks with Cerberus to sell its 19.9% stake in former partner Chrysler. In a short official statement the company said: 'Daimler confirms that the company is in discussions with Cerberus Capital Management regarding the redemption of its remaining 19.9% stake in Chrysler LLC.' Daimler's statement follows an earlier statement from Cerberus that it had approached Daimler about redemption of the stake. DaimlerChrysler, formed in 1998, was the biggest industrial merger of all time, but the company broke up in May 2007 when private equity firm Cerberus purchased 80.1% of Chrysler. Daimler AG hung on to a 19.9% stake in the company. Daimler said in July the book value of its stake was EUR171m, but the likely market value of the stock it holds is unclear. Chrysler this week surprised many with it's unveiling of three electric car prototypes in the US. However, the company is said to be in deep financial trouble on the back of lower US sales and a product range lacking the smaller and more fuel efficient vehicles that American consumers are turning to. Legacy technology ties between the two firms are not expected to be affected by a Daimler stake sale, at least for the foreseeable future. Cerberus said that it expected all existing industrial relationships between Daimler and Chrysler to continue. It's unclear at this stage why the sale of Daimler's stake is being discussed now. Some analysts have speculated that Cerberus may be seeking 100% ownership prior to a sale. Daimler meanwhile, may be seeking to cut its Chrysler losses and make maximum use of available resources and liquidity in the face of ongoing cost pressures and uncertain demand prospects. ** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] TRAINEES IN THE TOWER IN AIRLINER SWERVE TRAINEES IN THE TOWER IN AIRLINER SWERVE
An incident that thankfully ended with some fairly rattled pilots and passengers but no more than a little lost tire rubber begs the question of who is training whom at some of the nation's air traffic control towers. The National Air Traffic Controllers Union says two trainee controllers were in on duty by themselves in the Lehigh International Airport tower when a Mesa Airlines CRJ700 had to swerve (as in the sudden deviation from a straight path) to avoid a just-landed Cessna 172 while taking off from the Allentown, Pa., airport. The widely accepted estimate is the RJ, with 60 passengers aboard, missed the 172 by about 10 feet while decelerating from 120 knots. According to the NTSB, the Cessna was told to take an early taxiway exit but missed and the pilot reported he or she was heading for the next taxiway. The trainees missed that and, thinking the 172 had left the runway, cleared the RJ for takeoff. ** Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall0001) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D AC
I also noticed that after a while of running, the heater valve opens back up unless you have the dial all the way to min. Anybody know anything about these 201 climate controls? Wonder if its a sensor somewhere or the control unit. I also dont seem to get much air out of the side vents but do out the center just fine. They all open the heater up to a greater or lesser degree if not on MIN, once the interior temperature has been determined to be stabilized. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An appliance repairman told me to ONLY use a liquid detergent and (like Mitch wrote) use 1/2 what it says on the bottle. The powder stuff does not all dissolve and attaches itself to the outside tub. I think this was true at one time but today's powder disolves well (I think). We used powder almost exclusively in our old top loader and when I had it apart to replace the tub seal I did not notice any build-up. Also, for you front-loader owners... I have this feeling that the HE detergent is a rip off by the detergent companies to get us to keep using the same amount of detergent. They've just made it less sudsy. Using a sufficiently small amount of normal detergent to avoid excessive suds seems to work just as well (just a general impression, I've not done any kind of rigorous comparison). Allan -- 1983 300D (for sale) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances
As for the differences between top load and front. The major differences are that they use less water.. somewhere around 15 gal to 35 gal, and they are easier on the clothes. Doesn't wear them out in the washer. Douglas - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Laundry appliances Alex, It was a top-loader.. Haven't needed to spend any money on a front-loader Bought last top-loader from Craigslist for $100 four years ago and it's still working. This topic reminds me - back in the early 1940's we had a Bendix front-loader washer and hung the wash in the basement in winter and outside in summer. And before that it was a top-loader with a manual wringer attached.. Back then there was only powder, IIRC. At least the memory works at times, sorta! Chuck On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:34 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:17 AM, Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An appliance repairman told me to ONLY use a liquid detergent and (like Mitch wrote) use 1/2 what it says on the bottle. The powder stuff does not all dissolve and attaches itself to the outside tub. Was this a front- or top-loader? Just to confuse things further: the manuals for every front-load washer I've seen (I've owned two, an Asko and a Frigidaire Gallery Series, and looked at others in showrooms) say to use ONLY powder. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
Thanks Peter .Seems a min of around 3 thousand for starters to get it operational. mak. around three thousand for all the mentioned items . - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109 Mak: Big $$. New air bags all round (this is usually why they go flat) -- last price I saw 4 or so years ago was $250 each. Probably a lot more now. You will also probably need to have the height control valves rebuilt, and I don't know the price on that, but expensive. This is assuming the air compressor is good Peter On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:24 PM, Mak wrote: What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 408 Camper
Why would you bother to lock the doors on a car like that? Who's going to bother it? On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wondered how long it would take to someone to ask. I didna buy it. Its a $1500 car but not a $1501 car... Don hadn't mentioned that at the time none of the doors locked... Its tough to think about driving 1400 miles in a car (and spending the night with a friend in Chicago) with a car that you can't lock. We had a nice dinner with Don and his family, stayed in a nice hotel, saw all the sights of Jefferson and flew home... -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: I like this Idea Better A must read]
Like Mitch said - someone didn't pay attention in math class --- it's only $425 each --- On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead, I'm in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a *We Deserve It Dividend*. To make the math simple, let's assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
Bags aren't bad from Rusty. As long as the car isn't a rustbucket they're fairly easy to swap out. As for valves, well, you might be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. There are two series of valves, the early and late (I don't recall what the defining characteristics are - check the M100 Web site.) If you have early valves, you're pretty much screwed. If you have the later valves, they'll cost you a substantial sum if you have to buy a rebuild. Having said this, I would very much caution you to be reluctant to change or replace anything in the system until you know it is set up and adjusted properly. I had a 1962 300SE that presumably had bad valves that ended up just needing to be set up and adjusted per the factory procedure. Once that was done it stayed up nearly 30 days without being run (I did have to replace the rear air bags, but the valves were fine.) Dan --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 1:18 PM Thanks Peter .Seems a min of around 3 thousand for starters to get it operational. mak. around three thousand for all the mentioned items . - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109 Mak: Big $$. New air bags all round (this is usually why they go flat) -- last price I saw 4 or so years ago was $250 each. Probably a lot more now. You will also probably need to have the height control valves rebuilt, and I don't know the price on that, but expensive. This is assuming the air compressor is good Peter On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:24 PM, Mak wrote: What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Trapped key
I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Alex, I sure hope someone responds to this with suggestions. Everything I have tried was a PITA. Maybe take a tip from the biodiesel crowd for filter material? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
harry watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex, I sure hope someone responds to this with suggestions. Everything I have tried was a PITA. Maybe take a tip from the biodiesel crowd for filter material? The laundry lint filter I posted is really just a small filter bag hanging in a plastic canister. NOTHING high-tech about it AT ALL. I don't know where you buy filter bag fabric, or how easy it is to buy it in small quantities. A google search turned up http://www.lamports.com/lfbags.htm but they seem like the sort of company that sells in bulk to other manufacturers. For the price it was just not worth it to me to track down this kind of stuff and design and build one myself. The thing will last basically forever, with occasional replacement of the filter bag being the only thing that can really ever be necessary. I'm not sure if the problem is overblown, but my filter grabs enough wet lint to amount to a large fistful every month or two. I'd just as soon keep that out of the septic system, whether it would settle out in the tank or not. It was more lint than that before we got our front-load washer. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
Stuck in full on. What sort of key attaches to the sander? clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109
And a properly operating Air suspension is an amazing ride. A 300SE/SEL is worth the price of keeping up the suspension. At 09:42 PM 9/25/2008, you wrote: Bags aren't bad from Rusty. As long as the car isn't a rustbucket they're fairly easy to swap out. As for valves, well, you might be up the proverbial creek without a paddle. There are two series of valves, the early and late (I don't recall what the defining characteristics are - check the M100 Web site.) If you have early valves, you're pretty much screwed. If you have the later valves, they'll cost you a substantial sum if you have to buy a rebuild. Having said this, I would very much caution you to be reluctant to change or replace anything in the system until you know it is set up and adjusted properly. I had a 1962 300SE that presumably had bad valves that ended up just needing to be set up and adjusted per the factory procedure. Once that was done it stayed up nearly 30 days without being run (I did have to replace the rear air bags, but the valves were fine.) Dan --- On Thu, 9/25/08, Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 1:18 PM Thanks Peter .Seems a min of around 3 thousand for starters to get it operational. mak. around three thousand for all the mentioned items . - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] air suspension.W109 Mak: Big $$. New air bags all round (this is usually why they go flat) -- last price I saw 4 or so years ago was $250 each. Probably a lot more now. You will also probably need to have the height control valves rebuilt, and I don't know the price on that, but expensive. This is assuming the air compressor is good Peter On Sep 23, 2008, at 9:24 PM, Mak wrote: What all is required to renew a old air suspension system and approx cost? mak 300SEL 3.5 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.2/1689 - Release Date: 9/24/2008 6:51 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT was what about you, now Washer Lint
Allan, I would like one large enough to make it a monthly service. After I use the one I ordered for awhile I'll know more. Might even put two in series. Harry The laundry lint filter I posted is really just a small filter bag hanging in a plastic canister. NOTHING high-tech about it AT ALL. I don't know where you buy filter bag fabric, or how easy it is to buy it in small quantities. A google search turned up http://www.lamports.com/lfbags.htm but they seem like the sort of company that sells in bulk to other manufacturers. For the price it was just not worth it to me to track down this kind of stuff and design and build one myself. The thing will last basically forever, with occasional replacement of the filter bag being the only thing that can really ever be necessary. I'm not sure if the problem is overblown, but my filter grabs enough wet lint to amount to a large fistful every month or two. I'd just as soon keep that out of the septic system, whether it would settle out in the tank or not. It was more lint than that before we got our front-load washer. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
Oh, I meant attach a sander to the stuck key to vibrate it to help turn the cylinder. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Stuck in full on. What sort of key attaches to the sander? clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
BTW, there's a small slot in the face of the cylinder just to the left and above the top of the key slot. In #1 position, this small slot aligns with another slot in the cylinder case to allow insertion of a wire to release a lock that holds the cylinder in place. Can you insert a wire an inch or so into this slot now? If so it's in #1. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
Is it stuck in STARTING position or ON-and-running position? Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Stuck in full on. What sort of key attaches to the sander? clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Uh -oh, 'just noticed Gump is a '72; 'don't know if it's like the 123's, 124's, 126's I'm familiar with. Does it have the slot for a wire release I mentioned? I know 123's have it - when did that start, '76? Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Stuck in full on. What sort of key attaches to the sander? clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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AH Yep, can do that. How vigorous should the vibration be? I have a clapped out sander that does a gentle shake, and a newer orbital that will really work it. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:34 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Oh, I meant attach a sander to the stuck key to vibrate it to help turn the cylinder. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Stuck in full on. What sort of key attaches to the sander? clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not able to get the ring off from around the cylinder to access the lock mechanism. Been trying to figure out how to attack it and it is dark there anyway. Already replaced flashlights once. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: BTW, there's a small slot in the face of the cylinder just to the left and above the top of the key slot. In #1 position, this small slot aligns with another slot in the cylinder case to allow insertion of a wire to release a lock that holds the cylinder in place. Can you insert a wire an inch or so into this slot now? If so it's in #1. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
It is in starting position, but with Gump that just allows juice to flow and the glow dongle has to be yanked to get it hot and then engage the starter. It is off and turns on and off just fine. Stuck in position 2.5. Gump is more of a binary system. Either it is on or off for the key and the position 1 slot does nothing but disengage the steering lock. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:36 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Is it stuck in STARTING position or ON-and-running position? Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Stuck in full on. What sort of key attaches to the sander? clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
Starting with W123 in '76, you have to insert wire in the release slot, then unscrew the ring to remove the cylinder. Can you insert wire an inch or so? Wilton ' - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Not able to get the ring off from around the cylinder to access the lock mechanism. Been trying to figure out how to attack it and it is dark there anyway. Already replaced flashlights once. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: BTW, there's a small slot in the face of the cylinder just to the left and above the top of the key slot. In #1 position, this small slot aligns with another slot in the cylinder case to allow insertion of a wire to release a lock that holds the cylinder in place. Can you insert a wire an inch or so into this slot now? If so it's in #1. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think it was with the 617 engines. 1976 would have been the time when they got automatic glow function instead of manual start. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:50 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Uh -oh, 'just noticed Gump is a '72; 'don't know if it's like the 123's, 124's, 126's I'm familiar with. Does it have the slot for a wire release I mentioned? I know 123's have it - when did that start, '76? Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Stuck in full on. What sort of key attaches to the sander? clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:15 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Stuck in ignition/master switch? Is it stuck in the #1 position or full ON position? If it's in #1 position, leave it there, remove the cylinder and install a new cylinder - usually takes a minute or so. Immediately order a new cylinder from dealer via Rusty (need VIN). If it's not in #1 position and will not turn, attach a key to a vibrating sander (IAW my procedures of last Oct) to vibrate the lock and improve your chances of turning it to #1 position in order to remove the cylinder. I'll elaborate if you need it. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does it have that little release slot in the face like your 87 300SDL? And 95 E320 if it's a 124. Wilton - Original Message - From: Wilton Strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Starting with W123 in '76, you have to insert wire in the release slot, then unscrew the ring to remove the cylinder. Can you insert wire an inch or so? Wilton ' - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Not able to get the ring off from around the cylinder to access the lock mechanism. Been trying to figure out how to attack it and it is dark there anyway. Already replaced flashlights once. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: BTW, there's a small slot in the face of the cylinder just to the left and above the top of the key slot. In #1 position, this small slot aligns with another slot in the cylinder case to allow insertion of a wire to release a lock that holds the cylinder in place. Can you insert a wire an inch or so into this slot now? If so it's in #1. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? That car has the interlock between the starting knob and the key switch. It won't allow the key to be turned to off unless the start knob is in, so I suspect that little Bowden cable is sticky or something. Try working the starter a bunch to see if it loosens up. Might want to disconnect the battery first so you can really work it without actually exercising the starter and battery. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gump has a ring that pops out more than unscrews and is not attached to the cylinder. No need for wire. I am sort of screwed though. Dash was upgraded to wood dash and when I did that, I did not get the ignition lines up perfectly. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Starting with W123 in '76, you have to insert wire in the release slot, then unscrew the ring to remove the cylinder. Can you insert wire an inch or so? Wilton ' - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Not able to get the ring off from around the cylinder to access the lock mechanism. Been trying to figure out how to attack it and it is dark there anyway. Already replaced flashlights once. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: BTW, there's a small slot in the face of the cylinder just to the left and above the top of the key slot. In #1 position, this small slot aligns with another slot in the cylinder case to allow insertion of a wire to release a lock that holds the cylinder in place. Can you insert a wire an inch or so into this slot now? If so it's in #1. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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OH! That would be really close to the issue. The off does not work really well on Gump anymore. I have to push all the way in and hope she shuts off. When she does not, I pop the clutch and just kill it. Maybe that is not working well anymore and I have to screw around more. Used to be able to remove the key while running though. Maybe that has been resolved with the use of Mobil 1, as many of the other sloppy parts on Gump seem to have gotten closer to spec the more I drive and the longer Mobil 1 runs through. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? That car has the interlock between the starting knob and the key switch. It won't allow the key to be turned to off unless the start knob is in, so I suspect that little Bowden cable is sticky or something. Try working the starter a bunch to see if it loosens up. Might want to disconnect the battery first so you can really work it without actually exercising the starter and battery. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 201 index
Or, you can make an *.iso file of it and mount it from your hard drive. MUCH easier. I use Virtual CDRom. I'm sure a Mac has software to do this, and Linux does it natively. Luther Jim Cathey wrote: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/mb190d/Main.html I give up! How am I supposed to use it? I realize I need to have the CD, but then what? Depends on your system, and there's several possible ways. I use a Mac (Linux would be the same) and made a link to where the PDF's live: cd dir_of_your_choice cp path_to_where_you_stored_it_first/Main.html . ln -s path_to_201_iso_pdf_directory PDF open Main.html or, if you'd copied the 201 CD to a hard disk somewhere, there's a directory in it called PDF. Copy Main.html to the directory that contains the PDF directory. (Don't put it down into that directory with all the pdf files.) Open it there. You could also just hand-edit Main.html to make the anchors all point to the right place. There aren't _that_ many of them. As it stands, the links all just want to open PDF/file.PDF, so you just have to arrange things so that such a path works. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
I didn't realize at first that it's older than '76. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that model enough to help much. How 'bout pulling/yanking the starter switch some while trying to turn the key - like Jim said? 'Sorry I can't provide better help. Good luck. I may as well bail out. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Gump has a ring that pops out more than unscrews and is not attached to the cylinder. No need for wire. I am sort of screwed though. Dash was upgraded to wood dash and when I did that, I did not get the ignition lines up perfectly. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Starting with W123 in '76, you have to insert wire in the release slot, then unscrew the ring to remove the cylinder. Can you insert wire an inch or so? Wilton ' - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Not able to get the ring off from around the cylinder to access the lock mechanism. Been trying to figure out how to attack it and it is dark there anyway. Already replaced flashlights once. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: BTW, there's a small slot in the face of the cylinder just to the left and above the top of the key slot. In #1 position, this small slot aligns with another slot in the cylinder case to allow insertion of a wire to release a lock that holds the cylinder in place. Can you insert a wire an inch or so into this slot now? If so it's in #1. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Trapped key
thank you for all the aid. Was what I had been trying to do all evening and was seeming to get nowhere with it, but was reasonable. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 9:21 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: I didn't realize at first that it's older than '76. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with that model enough to help much. How 'bout pulling/ yanking the starter switch some while trying to turn the key - like Jim said? 'Sorry I can't provide better help. Good luck. I may as well bail out. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Gump has a ring that pops out more than unscrews and is not attached to the cylinder. No need for wire. I am sort of screwed though. Dash was upgraded to wood dash and when I did that, I did not get the ignition lines up perfectly. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:58 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: Starting with W123 in '76, you have to insert wire in the release slot, then unscrew the ring to remove the cylinder. Can you insert wire an inch or so? Wilton ' - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trapped key Not able to get the ring off from around the cylinder to access the lock mechanism. Been trying to figure out how to attack it and it is dark there anyway. Already replaced flashlights once. clay On Sep 25, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Wilton Strickland wrote: BTW, there's a small slot in the face of the cylinder just to the left and above the top of the key slot. In #1 position, this small slot aligns with another slot in the cylinder case to allow insertion of a wire to release a lock that holds the cylinder in place. Can you insert a wire an inch or so into this slot now? If so it's in #1. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:45 PM Subject: [MBZ] Trapped key I need big help. Gump has decided to eat my key. Stuck in the on position and will not turn or come out. What is the standard action to take to liberate it? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http:// www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: I like this Idea Better A must read]
ya know, Kaleb actually forwarded something that's rational and effective! I'm impressed. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: *Subject:* I like this idea much better This will NEVER happen - makes too much sense! This guy hit it on the head !!! I’m against the $85,000,000,000.0020 bailout of AIG. Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in a *We Deserve It Dividend*. To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000 bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+. Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up.. So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00. My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a We Deserve It Dividend. Of course, it would NOT be tax free. So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%. Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes. That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam. But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket. A husband and wife has $595,000.00. What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family? Pay off your mortgage - housing crisis solved. Repay college loans - what a great boost to new grads Put away money for college – it’ll be there Save in a bank - create money to loan to entrepreneurs. Buy a new car - create jobs Invest in the market - capital drives growth Pay for your parent’s medical insurance / health care improves Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean or else Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces. If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it...instead of trickling out a puny $1000.00 (vote buy) economic incentive that is being proposed by one of our candidates for President. If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let?s bail out every adult US Citizen 18+! As for AIG ? liquidate it. Sell off its parts. Let American General go back to being American General. Sell off the real estate. Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up. Here’s my rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t. Sure it’s a crazy idea that can “never work.” But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party! How do you spell Economic Boom? I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC . And remember, The Birk plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam. Ahhh...I feel so much better getting that off my chest. Kindest personal regards, Birk T. J. Birkenmeier, A Creative Guy Citizen of the Republic PS: Feel free to pass this along to your pals as it’s either good for a laugh or a tear or a very sobering thought on how to best use $85 Billion!! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: I like this Idea Better A must read]
Let me recant that crap Luther Luther wrote: ya know, Kaleb actually forwarded something that's rational and effective! I'm impressed. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
