[MBZ] help choosing TRAILER hitch and weight distribution hitch

[Christopher McCann]

I think this hitch will work for my 1992 Dodge 1 ton full size van:

http://www.etrailer.com/pc-H~41910.htm?vehicleid=1992797

Now I need a weight distribution hitch...which are here:

http://www.etrailer.com/c-wd.htm

But I am not sure which one to get. Plan on an 18 foot trailer and hauling 116, 
123, 126's, etc...that weight range.

Thoughts?

Chris



--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser  wrote:

> From: Fmiser 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:38 PM
> > Christopher wrote:
> 
> > That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
> hitch? 
> 
> To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the
> mass
> needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better.
> 50%
> is best (it's then called a "semi-trailer"
> -like the big
> trucks use - rather than a "full trailer"). With
> a majority of
> the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
> disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass
> behind
> the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a
> common
> cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.
> 
> With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900
> kg)
> trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross
> weight
> of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960
> lb
> (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very
> back of
> your van. It _will_ raise the front.
> 
> The solution is "weight distributing". It is a
> bulky hitch
> assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With
> the aid
> of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
> point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is
> some
> of the weight is "distributed" to the trailer and
> steer axles
> - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.
> 
> Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it
> - at
> least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
> weight. 
> 
> -- Philip
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

[John Robbins]

R A Bennell wrote:

Could it have siphoned AT fluid into the intake via a vaccuum hose or something 
like that? I had an issue with my
old Suburban once that oiled up the air filter. It was because the PCV valve 
was not inserted into the valve cover.
Not quite the same but sort of an odd thing to happen. Look for simple things 
first!


Excellent idea!  I will definitely be looking into that.  I have noticed 
a hose on the valve cover is missing, but there is no oil in the air 
filter.


I like simple fixes! :)

John


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

Thanks for explaining that. Now I can see why it's not enough to move the car 
back on the trailer till the trailer doesn't put much weight on the 
tongue...that shifts too much mass to the rear causing swerving and 
unsteadiness.

Best is to move 50% of the mass forward, if not more, and use the weight 
distribution hitch to distribute the weight of the car back to the trailer. 

Do I have that right?

Chris

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser  wrote:

> From: Fmiser 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 2:38 PM
> > Christopher wrote:
> 
> > That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
> hitch? 
> 
> To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the
> mass
> needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better.
> 50%
> is best (it's then called a "semi-trailer"
> -like the big
> trucks use - rather than a "full trailer"). With
> a majority of
> the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
> disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass
> behind
> the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a
> common
> cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.
> 
> With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900
> kg)
> trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross
> weight
> of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960
> lb
> (435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very
> back of
> your van. It _will_ raise the front.
> 
> The solution is "weight distributing". It is a
> bulky hitch
> assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With
> the aid
> of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
> point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is
> some
> of the weight is "distributed" to the trailer and
> steer axles
> - but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.
> 
> Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it
> - at
> least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
> weight. 
> 
> -- Philip
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Curt Raymond]

I finally got rid of my Mac Plus. Kept my SCSI zip drive in case I ever find 
that Color Classic II I've always wanted...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 14:05:41 -0600
From: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gee fo
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> Life on the trailing edge...
>

I resemble that remark 

okdon


  
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Fmiser]

> Christopher wrote:

> That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 

To make a trailer dynamically stable, at least 10% of the mass
needs to be in front of the trailer axles. 15% is better. 50%
is best (it's then called a "semi-trailer" -like the big
trucks use - rather than a "full trailer"). With a majority of
the mass in front of the trailer axle, side-to-side
disturbances tend to be self-canceling. With more mass behind
the axle, the oscillations self re-enforce. This is a common
cause of upside-down trailers jack-knifed in the ditch.

With a ordinary hitch, mass = weight. So a 2,000 lb (900 kg)
trailer and a 4,400 lb (2,000 kg) car on it the gross weight
of the trailer is 6,400 lb (2,900 kg). 15% of that is 960 lb
(435 kg). That's how much weight will be on the very back of
your van. It _will_ raise the front.

The solution is "weight distributing". It is a bulky hitch
assembly that's commonly seen on camper trailers. With the aid
of one or two spring bars, tension is applied at the hitch
point lifting the back of the tow vehicle. The result is some
of the weight is "distributed" to the trailer and steer axles
- but the mass stays so the stability is not affected.

Now that I have one, I can't see ever doing without it - at
least when the trailer gross is more than 1/2 the truck
weight. 

-- Philip

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Fmiser]

> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > '92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It
> > should do the job. I see that electric brakes on one axle
> > seems to be a requirement in most states.

> Kaleb wrote:
>
> yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.

And it would be a good idea to get a weight distributing hitch -
if you haul any significant weight.

--  Philip 

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Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

[Curt Raymond]

*Sigh* I hate you. This is a REALLY good deal. I paid about the same at a 
boneyard last fall.

Actually, I paid $100 and got:
amber fog lights
manual ACC fan switch
warning triangle
grill assembly

So I dunno, I still think thats a great deal though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:44:29 -0500
From: "Rusty Cullens" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January
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chrome grill, plastic insert, and chrome strips, no badge or star.


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

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From: "John Robbins" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January


> Rusty Cullens wrote:
>> complete grill assembly $79.95
> 
> Does that include chrome frame, insert, and star?  Basically everything 
> on the front of the hood?
> 
> John
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Crack smoker

[R A Bennell]

Might be worth it. One would need to have a close look. If it is clean and low 
mileage, I'd rather have it than a
new Chevy (can't remember the new name for the Cavalier) and I like Chevy's.

Randy

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Only because he's advertising on CL rather than ebay.  On ebay he would
score at least $8K.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

[R A Bennell]

Could it have siphoned AT fluid into the intake via a vaccuum hose or something 
like that? I had an issue with my
old Suburban once that oiled up the air filter. It was because the PCV valve 
was not inserted into the valve cover.
Not quite the same but sort of an odd thing to happen. Look for simple things 
first!

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 11:17 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem


All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.

The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and
didn't smoke again.

--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)
--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.

Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change.
  Is this related?

WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

John 'happy the fire department didn't show up' Robbins






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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

[tyler]

Since in science, things can only be considered from the perspective of 
observable phenomena, the properties of light are only understood only 
through their interaction with other particles and energy in given 
situations. Photons exhibit both wave-like and particle-like behavior 
depending on the situation (Google wave-particle duality).


Since the concept of a "particle" or a "wave" describes behavior in 
certain situations, I would say that light propagating in free space 
exhibits no specific properties. The properties only arise in relation 
to it's interaction with the rest of the universe.


I am not a big fan of the reductionist philosophy where one tries to 
understand the universe in terms of individual components with inherent 
properties. I do not think it makes sense to discuss a photon (or 
anything else for that matter) outside of the context of it's being a 
small subset or component of the universe, which is a large 
interconnected system or sequence of cause and effect events.


For clarity, I'll restate it differently:

A photon is really just an imaginary construct or model we have invented 
to group together a series of closely related events and behavior we 
have observed in the universe. The observed phenomena is real, but the 
photon itself is only an intellectual tool for understanding, 
describing, and predicting those phenomena. Neither the "wave" or 
"particle" models alone accurately describe these phenomena, so we have 
invented two different models which we apply in different situations. 
It's really not very elegant, but nobody has come up with something 
better (yet).


I hope that makes sense...

Tyler

OK Don wrote:

So, are photons in motion particles or waves?


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Re: [MBZ] Crack smoker

[andrew strasfogel]

Only because he's advertising on CL rather than ebay.  On ebay he would
score at least $8K.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

[OK Don]

So, are photons in motion particles or waves?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:49 PM, tyler  wrote:
> The speed of light in a vacuum is constant, but when light is passing
> through a medium (air, glass, etc.) it travels much slower. This slower
> speed will be relative to the reference frame of the medium, and is not
> constant for all observers.
>
> Let me explain how this does not contradict relativity, and the concept of a
> constant light speed:
>
> The experiments you are referring to involve the speed of light propagating
> through a medium. A photon can't propagate straight through a medium,
> because there are atoms in the way- one way to think of it is that the
> photon is repeatedly absorbed by atoms as it encounters them, which raises
> an electron in the atom to a higher energy level. The photon is momentarily
> absorbed, and is no longer a photon, but is stored as energy within the
> atom. This electron then falls back to a lower energy level, releasing a new
> photon after some time has passed since the photon was absorbed.
>
> Alternately, you can consider that in some situations (such as when a strong
> gravitational field actually warps space) that light is traveling slower,
> because it's actually following a curved rather than straight path.
>
> Interestingly, one could say that photons exhibit something similar to rest
> mass under the conditions of traveling through a medium. While the light is
> inside the medium, it does increase the effective rest mass of the medium
> slightly because it's adding energy to the medium without adding momentum.
> Rest mass follows the following formula:
>
> rest mass = sqrt(E^2/c^4 - p^2/c^2)
>
> Where E is energy, c is the speed of light, and p is momentum. So to keep
> the equation balanced, if energy is added to a system without increasing
> it's momentum then the rest mass must increase slightly. I wouldn't say that
> the photons themselves have rest mass, but that they are momentarily being
> converted from energy to mass, and back again as they are momentarily
> trapped in a medium.
>
> I hope my explanation helps. This is my understanding of the phenomenon, but
> I could be somewhat wrong about it. It's been a while since I've taken a
> class in electrodynamics or optics, and I haven't used the knowledge
> since...
>
> Tyler
>
> Archer wrote:
>>
>> Recently several labs have achieved the lowest possible temperature.
>> IIRC even "light" or photons came to rest.  Did they have "rest mass"
>> under those conditions?
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[OK Don]

> Life on the trailing edge...
>

I resemble that remark 

okdon

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[OK Don]

We did a similar repair on a cheap French Horn we picked up at a
school auction ($5.00) that was nearly closed about half way around
the outer coil. Kept pulling larger diameter plugs through with heavy
weed whacker cord til we got it to an acceptable shape. Some silver
solder and a few key pads later, and we had a good student horn.

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:23 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
> Interior diameter of a crimped (sat-upon?) Gemeinhardt
> M2 flute: 19mm.  Exterior diameter of a cross-drilled
> pointed steel ground stake used for pouring concrete
> slabs: 19mm.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.  But we'll
> see...
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

[tyler]

The speed of light in a vacuum is constant, but when light is passing 
through a medium (air, glass, etc.) it travels much slower. This slower 
speed will be relative to the reference frame of the medium, and is not 
constant for all observers.


Let me explain how this does not contradict relativity, and the concept 
of a constant light speed:


The experiments you are referring to involve the speed of light 
propagating through a medium. A photon can't propagate straight through 
a medium, because there are atoms in the way- one way to think of it is 
that the photon is repeatedly absorbed by atoms as it encounters them, 
which raises an electron in the atom to a higher energy level. The 
photon is momentarily absorbed, and is no longer a photon, but is stored 
as energy within the atom. This electron then falls back to a lower 
energy level, releasing a new photon after some time has passed since 
the photon was absorbed.


Alternately, you can consider that in some situations (such as when a 
strong gravitational field actually warps space) that light is traveling 
slower, because it's actually following a curved rather than straight path.


Interestingly, one could say that photons exhibit something similar to 
rest mass under the conditions of traveling through a medium. While the 
light is inside the medium, it does increase the effective rest mass of 
the medium slightly because it's adding energy to the medium without 
adding momentum. Rest mass follows the following formula:


rest mass = sqrt(E^2/c^4 - p^2/c^2)

Where E is energy, c is the speed of light, and p is momentum. So to 
keep the equation balanced, if energy is added to a system without 
increasing it's momentum then the rest mass must increase slightly. I 
wouldn't say that the photons themselves have rest mass, but that they 
are momentarily being converted from energy to mass, and back again as 
they are momentarily trapped in a medium.


I hope my explanation helps. This is my understanding of the phenomenon, 
but I could be somewhat wrong about it. It's been a while since I've 
taken a class in electrodynamics or optics, and I haven't used the 
knowledge since...


Tyler

Archer wrote:

Recently several labs have achieved the lowest possible temperature.
IIRC even "light" or photons came to rest.  Did they have "rest mass"
under those conditions?


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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[tyler]

There is a modified version of gimp that aims to duplicate the photoshop 
interface. I think it's called gimpshop or something.


Curt Raymond wrote:

The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop, they're just enough 
different...

I'm still trying though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:18 -0500
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I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
little).

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[MBZ] Crack smoker

[Curt Raymond]

http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/990227432.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[Luther]

How do you tuen 2 piccolos? 


andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.

Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

  

 I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of


flutes?

  

They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
one) is really a POS.

I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[andrew strasfogel]

How would I know?

OK, I'll bite - how?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Luther  wrote:

> How do you tuen 2 piccolos?
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
>
>> I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
>> dislike the flute big-time.
>>
>> Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>  I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of
>>>
>>>
>>>> flutes?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
>>> consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
>>> a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
>>> one) is really a POS.
>>>
>>> I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
>>> a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!
>>>
>>> -- Jim
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[Luther]

shoot one!

andrew strasfogel wrote:

How would I know?

OK, I'll bite - how?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Luther  wrote:

  

How do you tuen 2 piccolos?
andrew strasfogel wrote:



I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.

Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey 
wrote:



  

 I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of




flutes?



  

They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
one) is really a POS.

I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb says Regina is a heavy duty wench

[Luther]

I'll do it for you. 


Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


Do I have to subscribe to "Banned" to tell her you said that?



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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Luther]

CS4 is already several months (August '08?) old.

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:

I *think* CS = 7 but now theres CS2 and CS3... Could even be CS4 by now for all 
I know.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:12:12 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gee fo
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I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of "CS" I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0


Curt Raymond wrote:
  

$2400 new...




That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really
like the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a
new version I think "geez the old version is perfect what could they
change?" Then I use the new version for ahwile and think "Holy crap
this is fantastic..."
  

I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt




  


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[Rich Thomas]

I have an Ian Anderson CD that is all instrumental songs, lots of flute 
stuff.  I have not listened to it for awhile but it is pretty good.  I 
think it is called Divinities or something like that.  A lot of those 
70s guys were classically trained and found $$ (or pounds) in rock music.


--R

Mitch Haley wrote:

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.


Not a Jethro Tull fan, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Q2L1Tt1Hk
(oops, looks like Ian played a recorder for this one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgUw6t3b6oE
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

Can't you achieve the same thing by moving the car back (away from the hitch) 
on the trailer?

Chris



--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> From: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 11:19 AM
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution
> hitch? 
> 
> You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and
> run below the tongue with chains bending them up towards the
> tongue. Transfers weight from the back wheels of the tow
> vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels.
> http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Curt Raymond]

The Gimp is VERY frustrating if you're used to Photoshop, they're just enough 
different...

I'm still trying though.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:52:18 -0500
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I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Curt Raymond]

I *think* CS = 7 but now theres CS2 and CS3... Could even be CS4 by now for all 
I know.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 10:12:12 -0600
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I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of "CS" I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0

Curt Raymond wrote:
> $2400 new...
> 
>
That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really
like the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a
new version I think "geez the old version is perfect what could they
change?" Then I use the new version for ahwile and think "Holy crap
this is fantastic..."
> I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...
> 
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

[Rusty Cullens]

chrome grill, plastic insert, and chrome strips, no badge or star.


Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

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Rusty Cullens wrote:

complete grill assembly $79.95


Does that include chrome frame, insert, and star?  Basically everything 
on the front of the hood?


John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[Mitch Haley]

andrew strasfogel wrote:

I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.


Not a Jethro Tull fan, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3Q2L1Tt1Hk
(oops, looks like Ian played a recorder for this one)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgUw6t3b6oE
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I dont need no stinking weight dist hitch on the duramax, it doesnt even 
know I got anything hooked up to it.  I can see using one on a regular 
3/4 ton (mine is HD) or a 1/2 ton, but I dont really need one.


Mitch Haley wrote:

Christopher McCann wrote:
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 


You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the 
tongue with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight 
from the back wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer 
wheels.

http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx

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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

John Robbins wrote:

All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from 
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap 
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE 
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20 
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell 
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I 
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the 
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.


The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it 
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or 
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10 
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and 
didn't smoke again.


That is very strange, it never did that for me and I have had it idling 
in the back yard for hours at a time, well maybe up to an hour or 2, 
while moving things around.  Uncle never had that problem.




--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately 
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of 
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)


Probably just leaky valve seals, pretty normal, or common on those engines.

--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when 
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the 
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if 
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.


Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the 
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black 
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change. 
 Is this related?


That box is the idle computer.  Its brand new but I think make the 
contacts for the connector might be dirty.  They are sometimes very 
picky and if not making good contact will go to a high idle.


WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

hahahahahahahahahah  I meant winch.

Mitch Haley wrote:

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


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Re: [MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

[John Robbins]

One other thing... I have the instrument cluster out of the car...

John Robbins wrote:

All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from 
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap 
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE 
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20 
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell 
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I 
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the 
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.


The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it 
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or 
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10 
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and 
didn't smoke again.


--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately 
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of 
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)
--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when 
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the 
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if 
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.


Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the 
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black 
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change. 
 Is this related?


WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

ohh, OK, may install it and see what it does.

Jim Cathey wrote:
I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of "CS" I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?


"Creative Suite" is newer.

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Re: [MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

[John Robbins]

Rusty Cullens wrote:

complete grill assembly $79.95


Does that include chrome frame, insert, and star?  Basically everything 
on the front of the hood?


John


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[MBZ] Specials Good Till End of January

[Rusty Cullens]

W123 & W124 & W126  Chassis

complete grill assembly $79.95
lower ball joint $11.95
drag link $29.95
tie rod assembly $29.95
steering shock $15.95
idler arm repair kit $14.95
driveshaft support with bearing $16.95


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Mitch Haley]

Christopher McCann wrote:
That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 


You have springy bars that latch into the hitch head, and run below the tongue 
with chains bending them up towards the tongue. Transfers weight from the back 
wheels of the tow vehicle to the front wheels and trailer wheels.

http://www.etrailer.com/faq_weightdistribution.aspx

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[MBZ] Strange 500SE Smoke Problem

[John Robbins]

All,

Last night I was going to use the 500SE to tow my brother's Sebring from 
behind the house.  While we were finding a place to hook the tow strap 
to the Sebring, the SE was idling and suddenly started BILLOWING a HUGE 
cloud of smoke.  By huge I mean filling my entire back yard in 20 
seconds huge.  The smoke was white, it didn't have a sweet smell 
(antifreeze), and it didn't smell like oil or have a bluish tint.  I 
can't remember/describe what oil smells like at the moment, but the 
smoke had a mild bitter smell to it.  Almost a burnt smell.


The car was slightly nose down... I leveled the car out and turned it 
off (after even more smoke from moving it!).  Restarted it 30 seconds or 
so later and it kept right on smoking.  Turned it off for about 5-10 
minutes, restarted, it smoked enough to clear out the exhaust, and 
didn't smoke again.


--The car is gray market so there is no catalytic converter
--There was no change in engine speed or sound
--Oil level is at the add mark
--Forgot to check coolant hoses when engine running, but immediately 
afterwards they weren't pressurized (rad cap could be bad though).
--On the 600 mile trip from Kaleb's the car would make a slight haze of 
gray smoke when it was floored (probably normal)
--Also on the trip from Kaleb's it made a big puff of white smoke when 
accelerating from a stop sign immediately after getting off the 
interstate.  I thought valve stems at the time, but I don't remember if 
the smoke was bluish or not.  I don't think it was.


Occasionally the car goes into fast idle for no reason.  Giving the 
throttle a blip will return it to low idle.  Kaleb could push on a black 
box (some kind of ECU) on the firewall and get the idle speed to change. 
 Is this related?


WTF?  I know nothing about gas cars...

John 'happy the fire department didn't show up' Robbins






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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[andrew strasfogel]

I am your basic classical music elitist, but I have to say that I really
dislike the flute big-time.

Love the oboe, bassoon, and French horn, tho...

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>  I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of
>> flutes?
>>
>
> They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
> consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
> a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
> one) is really a POS.
>
> I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
> a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

Will be placing an order later today.

Thanks!

Chris

--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Rusty Cullens  wrote:

> From: Rusty Cullens 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 9:22 AM
> I have them in stock, not on web site.
> 
> Rusty Cullens
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> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Christopher McCann"
> 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
> 
> 
> > Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay
> seller) like three 
> > weeks ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me
> off. Buymbparts does 
> > not have it on the site. I'll send him an e-mail
> and see whats up.
> >
> > -Chris
> >
> > P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
> > http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html
> >
> > Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is
> it convenient?
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin
>  wrote:
> >
> >> From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> >> Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
> >> To: "mercedes Mailing List"
> 
> >> Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
> >>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> >> -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> >>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89
> 560SEL,
> >>  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85
> 190D, 84 190D
> >> x2,
> >>  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76
> 300D,
> >> http://www.okiebenz.com
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

That sounds really nice. What is a weight distribution hitch? 

Chris


--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Fmiser  wrote:

> From: Fmiser 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 3:18 AM
> It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan
> wrote:
> 
> > Christopher McCann 
> writes:
> > 
> > > OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home
> made, must have
> > > title (usually the home made ones are the ones
> w/o title),
> > > must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage
> (I've seen
> > > several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a
> trailer that
> > > swerves all over).
> > 
> > I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair
> place.  They
> > probably have or know of local used ones for sale.
> 
> I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply,
> MO I-44
> exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to
> customize
> it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both
> axles,
> sealed "big truck" type lights, etc. I probably
> have close to
> $4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch
> (HIGHLY
> recommended), stake sides, and so on.  Plan on keeping it a
> while. 
> 
> --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.


And if you're buying a brake controller, Tekonsha Prodigy.
(yeah the Jordan's pretty good too, but who wants to mess with the cable to the 
brake pedal?)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] More good news

[R A Bennell]

But it will save the auto industry and thus the USA. You all have to buy new 
cars and then of course you will have
to buy regularly because the new cars are junk and don't last beyond the 
warranty. I can see it now - Chevy dealers
will be thicker than Starbucks.

Randy

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  This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
  solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!


--R


  Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'


Program would offer people turning in their old gas guzzlers a
voucher worth up to $4,500 for a new vehicle.




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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Christopher McCann]

Kaleb says, "you need a big heavy duty wench like I have."

Ummm...LOL...uh...no comment. :-)

Chris




--- On Thu, 1/15/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

> From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 10:03 AM
> It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs.  If you are
> talking about those little portable ones, those work just
> fine pulling a car up on a car dolly or something.  Forget
> about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 flat tires up on a
> car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench like I
> have.
> 
> Christopher McCann wrote:
> > The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight)
> mentioned that the winch rating was based on dead weight
> being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb winch
> can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure.
> > 
> > Chris
> 
> -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
>  92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL,
>  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

you need a big heavy duty wench like I have.


Do I have to subscribe to "Banned" to tell her you said that?

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Allan Streib]

I use The Gimp for what little graphics manipulation I do (which is VERY
little).

Allan

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:49:39 -0800, "Jim Cathey" 
said:
> > That'll be an old version of Photoshop?
> 
> CS2.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Jim Cathey]

I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of "CS" I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?


"Creative Suite" is newer.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] chilling

[R A Bennell]

Or the effect of windchill on Mobile 1??

Randy

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Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] chilling


How 'bout some Mobil 1 instead?  ;<))

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Jim Cathey]

That'll be an old version of Photoshop?


CS2.

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Re: [MBZ] More good news

[Rich Thomas]

Yeah, I was thinking, you're gonna be an Okie millionaire once you cash 
them all in.


--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
well heck, I could just turn in a few of my cars and get a brand new 
CDI or something.


Rich Thomas wrote:


 This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
 solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!


--R


 Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'


   Program would offer people turning in their old gas guzzlers a
   voucher worth up to $4,500 for a new vehicle.




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Re: [MBZ] More good news

[E M]

Save one of each, you know how it goes.  Once they're all gone, the price
goes way way up. ;-)

I wonder if once most are gone, if people will start putting money into the
ones that are left and making them into cars that are more collectible?  I
remember friends back in high school would buy muscle cars for a couple a
hundred dollars and drive them til they died, and then just got another
one.  The were often the types of cars you see rolling across Barrett's now
silly money, but theirs were in need of restoration. lol.

Ed
300E

2009/1/15 Kaleb C. Striplin 

> well heck, I could just turn in a few of my cars and get a brand new CDI or
> something.
>
> Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>>
>>  This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
>>  solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!
>>
>>
>> --R
>>
>>
>>  Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'
>>
>>
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>>   voucher worth up to $4,500 for a new vehicle.
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[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I have photoshop 7.0, but recently got a copy of "CS" I think it was 
which I have not tried  yet.  Which is the newer version?  Well for that 
matter, I also have a copy of 5.0


Curt Raymond wrote:

$2400 new...

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really like the newer versions of 
Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a new version I think "geez the old version is perfect 
what could they change?" Then I use the new version for ahwile and think "Holy crap this 
is fantastic..."
I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/991294204.html

Did w123 cars ever have cats?


I wouldn't be surprised if all the gassers did.
1985 California diesels had trap oxidizers which should be replaced with cats, 
don't think the 49 state cars had them.
Check Bimby for prices on 1985 CA air filters, and read the emissions stickers 
on the car.


Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no but it has a center muffler, I guess somebody who doesnt know any 
better would think it was a cat.


Curt Raymond wrote:

http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/991294204.html

Did w123 cars ever have cats?

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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] weather

[Allan Streib]

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  said:

> Its 12 here and it looks like it did snow a bit, have a light dusting.

 -4 this morning.  The 300D started fine, but it was on the block heater
 so it BETTER.

It seemed to me that I could really hear the turbo today.  Sounded
almost like a small jet engine under the hood.  What might that be
about?  Temperature-related?  I've never noticed it like that before.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, 0mpg

Curt Raymond wrote:

http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/991899140.html

"Its best mileage is at idle"

Geez, I'd think at idle you'd be getting 0mpg...

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Re: [MBZ] More good news

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

well heck, I could just turn in a few of my cars and get a brand new CDI 
or something.


Rich Thomas wrote:


 This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
 solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!


--R


 Congress considers 'Cash for Clunkers'


   Program would offer people turning in their old gas guzzlers a
   voucher worth up to $4,500 for a new vehicle.




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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, that should do it.  You need brakes.

Christopher McCann wrote:

'92 Dodge B-350 Ram Wagon - it's one ton (seats 15). It should do the job. I 
see that electric brakes on one axle seems to be a requirement in most states.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

It means its able to roll up to 2000 lbs.  If you are talking about 
those little portable ones, those work just fine pulling a car up on a 
car dolly or something.  Forget about dragging a dead wrecked car with 4 
flat tires up on a car trailer though, you need a big heavy duty wench 
like I have.


Christopher McCann wrote:

The winch description (I think it was Harbor Freight) mentioned that the winch 
rating was based on dead weight being pulled not lifted. I don't think a 2000lb 
winch can lift 2000lbs...but I'm not sure.

Chris


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Re: [MBZ] [Banned] weather

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its 12 here and it looks like it did snow a bit, have a light dusting.

Luther wrote:
It's 19F and snowing here.  It's rare that we actually get moisture when 
one of those blasted Arctic Cold Fronts moves through 


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Re: [MBZ] Ummm

[Wilton Strickland]

Best would be rolling downhill with engine off, wouldn't it?  ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message -
From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Ummm


> http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/991899140.html
>
> "Its best mileage is at idle"
>
> Geez, I'd think at idle you'd be getting 0mpg...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Curt Raymond]

$2400 new...

That'll be an old version of Photoshop? My frustration is that I really like 
the newer versions of Photoshop. Everytime they come out with a new version I 
think "geez the old version is perfect what could they change?" Then I use the 
new version for ahwile and think "Holy crap this is fantastic..."
I've got 6 at home and CS3 at work, 6 seems so... primitive...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 07:40:52 -0800
From: Jim Cathey 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gee fo
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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> for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much 
> horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 
> 2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web 
> browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.

As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We 
just
upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
1998 and still running strong.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Steve MacSween]

on 1/15/09 10:40, Jim Cathey at j...@windwireless.net wrote:

>> for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much
>> horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with
>> 2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web
>> browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.
> 
> As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
> apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We
> just
> upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
> 1998 and still running strong.
> 

Seconded by my Mac Molar G3 that sends this.

mac (not an apple)


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[Jim Cathey]

I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes 
of flutes?


They would have you think so, but the serious fluties seem to
consider it merely a reasonable starter model.  I bought it as
a challenge, and because the wife's flute (not that she needs
one) is really a POS.

I may decide to wait a bit before tackling it, there are
a lot more important projects piled up (literally) right now!

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Jim Cathey]

for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that much 
horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 
2GB of RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web 
browsing/web page creation/graphics editing front as a home user.


As is this 233 MHz Mac G3 that I'm using.  It's a little slow to start
apps, but even Illustrator and Photoshop are quite usable on it.  We 
just

upped its RAM to the maximum, 768 MB.  Merry Christmas to you, Mr. June
1998 and still running strong.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris

[Rusty Cullens]

I have them in stock, not on web site.

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher McCann" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] block heater for Chris


Argh, Well, I ordered one from oempartsplus (an ebay seller) like three 
weeks ago and it still is not here. Really pisses me off. Buymbparts does 
not have it on the site. I'll send him an e-mail and see whats up.


-Chris

P.S. Found a few trailers on CL like this: 
http://springfield.craigslist.org/for/993148639.html


Is 18 foot long enough? I know a car will fit, but is it convenient?


--- On Wed, 1/14/09, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:


From: Kaleb C. Striplin 
Subject: [MBZ] block heater for Chris
To: "mercedes Mailing List" 
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 5:27 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Block-Heater-Part-Q-6-20-9001-3201-2311_W0QQitemZ120363765577QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: [MBZ] overdoing

[John Robbins]

Mitch Haley wrote:
Last fall I found that Wally World had raised the regular 5qt M1 from 
$20-22 to $26.99. Only time I ever paid more than $5 a qt for the stuff. 
My local store didn't have any extended performance at the time.


They don't have the 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck or 0w40 European Car Formula 
I need so I end up paying $7 a quart at Autozone. :(


John


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[MBZ] Ummm

[Curt Raymond]

http://nh.craigslist.org/ctd/991294204.html

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[MBZ] Ummm

[Curt Raymond]

http://nh.craigslist.org/cto/991899140.html

"Its best mileage is at idle"

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Re: [MBZ] overdoing

[Mitch Haley]

Last fall I found that Wally World had raised the regular 5qt M1 from $20-22 to 
$26.99. Only time I ever paid more than $5 a qt for the stuff. My local store 
didn't have any extended performance at the time.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Gee fo

[Curt Raymond]

Not so, computers have surged w ahead in the last 12-18 months 
especially in my business (video production) largely because of the availablity 
of 64 bit operating systems.

I think what we're seeing on the home market now is that people don't really DO 
all that much and for web browsing and email you don't really NEED all that 
much horsepower. I've got a 2.4Ghz Intel mobo and processor at home with 2GB of 
RAM and its entirely adequate for all my needs on the email/web browsing/web 
page creation/graphics editing front as a home user. Systems today are 
(interestingly) the same number (around 2.4Ghz) but you start talking dual core 
processors and faster bus speeds so effectively 2-2.5x the speed of the machine 
I have. Mine is maxed out for RAM and its slow RAM and I can't run a 64 bit OS 
so theres more speed available on the newer machine there too. Oh I also can't 
use an SATA hard drive which is faster so again more speed. With the proper OS 
and a bucketload of RAM and good video card and whatnot I'd say a machine 
comparable to mine in today's tech is maybe 4-5x faster overall. Thats speed I 
don't need of course, my system is
 totally adequate.

My video editing system is a dual 2.2Ghz with 2GB of RAM and BADLY needs 
replacing as its too slow to do any practical HD video work. I've got a pretty 
big, mostly HD project coming up so I need an upgrade. Dual 3.0Ghz systems with 
faster bus speeds are only a couple hundred bucks so I think I'm going to go 
that route.

Life on the trailing edge...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:55:30 -0800
From: Tyler 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gee fo
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You might not need to upgrade for quite some time. It seems like  
computer technology has hit various walls, and computer's haven't  
gotten significantly faster in recent years. My dad is still using a  
desktop I built for him in 2002, and its maybe 50-75% as powerful as  
the standard low end desktops they're selling nowadays. Not enough to  
make a noticeable difference for normal tasks like web browsing and  
writing... It has an Athlon XP 1500+ cpu and a gigabyte of ram.

In comparison, a 7 year old computer in 2002 would have been something  
like 50-100mhz, and probably have 32mb of ram- several orders of  
magnitude slower than the computers being sold in 2002 and useless for  
running modern applications at the time.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

[Allan Streib]

Mitch Haley  writes:

> Allan Streib wrote:
>
>> Sort of sounds like a self-tapping bolt, very common on furnaces and
>> other sheet metal assemblies.
>
> With a nut on it?

Yeah, that would be odd.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond  writes:

> A check of eBay shows the G3 iMacs are SERIOUSLY cheap like a
> 600Mhz/265MB/40GB for $10+shipping cheap. That comes without an
> OS. The 10.3 disk set looks to be surprisingly expensive, ~$50 lets
> say.

You could always run OpenBSD or some other OS on the hardware, if you're
not particularly interested in Mac OS X.  Apple hardware tends to be
pretty good, for consumer-grade stuff.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] overdoing

[Curt Raymond]

Really? Is that an EP oil? I don't think so but memory could be failing.

I *think* (again with the failing memory) the last time I bought M1 (I can't 
even remember when that was, whoops, should check the last time I changed the 
190D) it was around $6.50 a qt with EP oil at ~$7.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:32:29 EST
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> ..How 'bout some Mobil 1 instead?? ;<))..
> 
Well...

I have been on the hunt for a coupla cases of 0W40 for less than $7.50 per 
quart but I think it's few-tile.

RLE
> 
> 


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:


Sort of sounds like a self-tapping bolt, very common on furnaces and
other sheet metal assemblies.


With a nut on it?

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] More good news

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:


 This will be the end of our old cars, whether for hobbies or cheap
 solid transportation.  All hail the good ideas from DC!



Only the ones rated "less than 18mpg" -- is that city or composite?
At any rate, it will send pickups and passenger trucks to the crusher in record 
numbers if implemented. Hate to say it, but 560 SECs will be on the list too.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Curt Raymond]

Has it got springs? That'd be a wild ride if it didn't...

Doesn't mention anything about brakes either. I'd bet they're mobile home 
axles...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:46:33 -0600
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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thats a nasty looking trailer, looks very flimsy, probably  homemade.

Christopher McCann wrote:
> OH MY:
> 
> http://stlouis.craigslist.org/grd/993227506.html
> 
> I think that is a steal...am I missing anything?
> 
> Chris

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  89 300E, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D x2,
  84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D,
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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

[Allan Streib]

"Kevin Kraly"  writes:

> I neglected to mention that I used another bolt and nut, and I used
> the old nut as the locknut since it threaded on.  To describe the
> threads, they looked like normal machine threads, but there was an
> angled groove twisting up the bolt near the end.

Sort of sounds like a self-tapping bolt, very common on furnaces and
other sheet metal assemblies.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux

[Curt Raymond]

Isn't it Puma/Cheetah? Wasn't Puma the beta and Cheetah 10.1?
10.2 = Jaguar, the first usable OS X
10.3 = Panther, 10.2 but faster
10.4 = Tiger
10.5 = Leopard, the above but slower
10.6 = (purportedly) Snow Leopard

A check of eBay shows the G3 iMacs are SERIOUSLY cheap like a 600Mhz/265MB/40GB 
for $10+shipping cheap. That comes without an OS. The 10.3 disk set looks to be 
surprisingly expensive, ~$50 lets say. Of course with a wink and a nod there 
are folks on the list who can "obtain" copies for you...

Hmm, I've been looking for a torrent machine, one of these might fit the bill.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 18:03:02 -0500
From: "Ed Booher" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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 All OS X systems have been a big cat, but a
different big cat with each major revision. Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger
and Leopard. So the fact that it is a Snow Leopard instead of Lion or
something is driving the Mac fanbase to believe that it is not as major a
revision as any of the others.



EdB


  
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[MBZ] weather

[Luther]

It's 19F and snowing here.  It's rare that we actually get moisture when 
one of those blasted Arctic Cold Fronts moves through  



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'87 300SDL (281,xxx mi)
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x59,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[Luther]

OUCH, that's an expensive butt!

Jim Cathey wrote:

Interior diameter of a crimped (sat-upon?) Gemeinhardt
M2 flute: 19mm.  Exterior diameter of a cross-drilled
pointed steel ground stake used for pouring concrete
slabs: 19mm.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.  But we'll
see...

-- Jim

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'82 300CD (183 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine "The Accordion"


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Re: [MBZ] Physics [was: Re: OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded]

[John Robbins]

Mitch Haley wrote:

Probably somebody with a BS in fundamental sciences can do just about
anything in grad school if he decides what he really wants.


I work with a guy who just graduated with a masters in electrical 
engineering and has a physics undergrad.


John


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Re: [MBZ] OT: ISP doesn't support Linux

[Archer]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Archer  wrote:

Thanks.  I'm slowly beginning to get a handle on all the different type of
Macs.  Might just go the refurb route since they aren't a whole lot more
expensive than plain used.  Will probably order first of next month.

Question:  From what I understand "Leopard" is the latest OS.  Should I
order that as well or will the installed OS be satisfactory for what I 
want

to do?
Gerry


Actually, and I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but if the
refurb/used Intel you buy does *not* already come with a Leopard install
DVD, wait about 3-6 months. OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will be out soon.

The rumor is that 10.6 will be 10.5 (Leopard) with all Power PC (G3, G4, G5)
code removed to fully optimize it for the Intel processor. Since you are
unfamiliar with Macs, the main drive for that rumor is the fact that 10.6 is
still a Leopard system. All OS X systems have been a big cat, but a
different big cat with each major revision. Puma, Cheetah, Panther, Tiger
and Leopard. So the fact that it is a Snow Leopard instead of Lion or
something is driving the Mac fanbase to believe that it is not as major a
revision as any of the others.

Any of the Intel Macs will be a great machine for you, and, if you simply
can not come to love the Mac OS, the Intel Macs will also run Linux and
Windows.
EdB
---
Thanks, Ed.  Do the refurb machines come with "any" version of OS-X?
Are Mac OS's restricted for use on one machine like MS OS's are?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Prepare to be Amazed and Astounded

[Archer]

Recently several labs have achieved the lowest possible temperature.
IIRC even "light" or photons came to rest.  Did they have "rest mass"
under those conditions?
..
Web discussion:
What is the mass of a photon?
This question falls into two parts:
Does the photon have mass?  After all, it has energy and energy is 
equivalent to mass.
Photons are traditionally said to be massless.  This is a figure of speech 
that physicists use to describe something about how a photon's particle-like 
properties are described by the language of special relativity.
The logic can be constructed in many ways, and the following is one such. 
Take an isolated system (called a "particle") and accelerate it to some 
velocity v (a vector).  Newton defined the "momentum" p of this particle 
(also a vector), such that p behaves in a simple way when the particle is 
accelerated, or when it's involved in a collision.  For this simple 
behaviour to hold, it turns out that p must be proportional to v.  The 
proportionality constant is called the particle's "mass" m, so that p = mv.
In special relativity, it turns out that we are still able to define a 
particle's momentum p such that it behaves in well-defined ways that are an 
extension of the newtonian case.  Although p and v still point in the same 
direction, it turns out that they are no longer proportional; the best we 
can do is relate them via the particle's "relativistic mass"...snip

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/photon_mass.html
Gerry

From: tyler
Photons have energy and momentum, but they don't have the sort of "rest
mass" that makes a non-moving object experience gravity. The concept of
mass doesn't really apply to objects that cannot be at rest. Photons are
not tiny classical mechanical particles traveling quickly, but have
totally different behavior. Depending on the context, it's generally
more useful to think of them as a discrete quanta of energy, rather than
as a particle like an electron.

I'm not sure about the black cloth experiment you're talking about,
perhaps someone else on here knows about it? Because mass and energy and
fundamentally equivalent, it is possible for the energy in a photon to
increase the mass of an object when absorbed, without the photon itself
having mass.

Tyler

Bill R wrote:

No argument here, but light does seem to have weight.  The study was done
many years ago [I was in HS when I heard about it] using a black cloth
subjected to intense light in a controlled environment, and the cloth 
gained

a [very small] amount of weight during the process.  It was part of our
class on light in HS physics - would have been about 1965. That is my only
reference to it, so, once more, scientific types needed ... is this true?
BillR 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Catheyesque instrument repair

[Kevin Kraly]

I hope that your flute repair works.  Is the Gemeinhardt the Mercedes of 
flutes?


Keep us posted.

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] OT Catheyesque furnace repair

[Kevin Kraly]

I neglected to mention that I used another bolt and nut, and I used the old 
nut as the locknut since it threaded on.  To describe the threads, they 
looked like normal machine threads, but there was an angled groove twisting 
up the bolt near the end.  The old bolt sheered off right at the isolator. 
There must be a lot of vibration in there, and I'm hoping it was because it 
came loose after 15 years.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
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Re: [MBZ] TRAILER & block heater for Chris

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:07:35 -0500, Allan wrote:

> Christopher McCann  writes:
> 
> > OK guys, I've revised my criteria. No home made, must have
> > title (usually the home made ones are the ones w/o title),
> > must have ramps and be very beefy...and no damage (I've seen
> > several damaged trailers cheap...don't want a trailer that
> > swerves all over).
> 
> I'd suggest checking with a local trailer repair place.  They
> probably have or know of local used ones for sale.

I bought mine from a local fabricator. Stillwater Supply, MO I-44
exit 230. Since they build them there, I was able to customize
it. Extra stake pockets, longer tongue, brakes on both axles,
sealed "big truck" type lights, etc. I probably have close to
$4,000 in the system, with trailer, weight distrib hitch (HIGHLY
recommended), stake sides, and so on.  Plan on keeping it a
while. 

--Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Hendrik, raving mad

[Jeff Zedic]

Go Hendrik go! I agree with many things but I also realise that the
view from elsewhere is much different than the view form North
America.

 Having lived there and elsewhere I see things differently than some.

Viva OZ! hehe

Zedic (just stirring)

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