[MBZ] New mog has spinners!
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
GAAVEDIGGERR!!! --R On 6/8/11 6:30 AM, Rolf wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
Say what you want, but the guy that came up with Gravedigger is a marketing genius, and probably worth millions Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: GAAVEDIGGERR!!! --R On 6/8/11 6:30 AM, Rolf wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
For my wife's first birthday in Houston after we moved there, I got tickets to the Monster Truck Show at the Astrodome. Sat right above where the trucks drove onto the field. It was awesome! Loud as hell. And my wife thoroughly enjoyed it. The place was packed with 65000 people, mostly families, all very well behaved, and insanely into the whole thing. Little kids wearing their tshirts of their favorite trucks, which I found interesting. Kinda like wrestling. I think that truck got the most response, I vaguely recall it flipped and rolled a couple of times at one point, the crowd went wild. the next day I saw a couple of the trucks being hauled to the next venue, the whole deal on a flatbed trailer with the tires stacked up and the truck down on stands low enough to clear overpasses. --R On 6/8/11 8:51 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Say what you want, but the guy that came up with Gravedigger is a marketing genius, and probably worth millions Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: GAAVEDIGGERR!!! --R On 6/8/11 6:30 AM, Rolf wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
I have been to a number of the Monster Truck Magness as my youngest used to call it. I used to do the math when we went to these things and figured these guys we grossing some serious coin. The Gravedigger guy had it down to an art, and nearly everyone had some sort of his swag. I recall that he even had some sort of video podcast or something, which at the time was pretty progressive. And of course, it required a paid subscription to view it... Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: For my wife's first birthday in Houston after we moved there, I got tickets to the Monster Truck Show at the Astrodome. Sat right above where the trucks drove onto the field. It was awesome! Loud as hell. And my wife thoroughly enjoyed it. The place was packed with 65000 people, mostly families, all very well behaved, and insanely into the whole thing. Little kids wearing their tshirts of their favorite trucks, which I found interesting. Kinda like wrestling. I think that truck got the most response, I vaguely recall it flipped and rolled a couple of times at one point, the crowd went wild. the next day I saw a couple of the trucks being hauled to the next venue, the whole deal on a flatbed trailer with the tires stacked up and the truck down on stands low enough to clear overpasses. --R On 6/8/11 8:51 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Say what you want, but the guy that came up with Gravedigger is a marketing genius, and probably worth millions Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Rich Thomasrichthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: GAAVEDIGGERR!!! --R On 6/8/11 6:30 AM, Rolf wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
Dennis Anderson, owner of Gravedigger, has an even cooler playtoy called King Sling. Mid engine insanity! Google it. Mike On Jun 8, 2011 9:40 AM, Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: I have been to a number of the Monster Truck Magness as my youngest used to call it. I used to do the math when we went to these things and figured these guys we grossing some serious coin. The Gravedigger guy had it down to an art, and nearly everyone had some sort of his swag. I recall that he even had some sort of video podcast or something, which at the time was pretty progressive. And of course, it required a paid subscription to view it... Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: For my wife's first birthday in Houston after we moved there, I got tickets to the Monster Truck Show at the Astrodome. Sat right above where the trucks drove onto the field. It was awesome! Loud as hell. And my wife thoroughly enjoyed it. The place was packed with 65000 people, mostly families, all very well behaved, and insanely into the whole thing. Little kids wearing their tshirts of their favorite trucks, which I found interesting. Kinda like wrestling. I think that truck got the most response, I vaguely recall it flipped and rolled a couple of times at one point, the crowd went wild. the next day I saw a couple of the trucks being hauled to the next venue, the whole deal on a flatbed trailer with the tires stacked up and the truck down on stands low enough to clear overpasses. --R On 6/8/11 8:51 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Say what you want, but the guy that came up with Gravedigger is a marketing genius, and probably worth millions Dan Sent from my iPhone On Jun 8, 2011, at 8:49 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: GAAVEDIGGERR!!! --R On 6/8/11 6:30 AM, Rolf wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
Watch; how long before somebody puts those wheels on a 126? Wilton - Original Message - From: Rolf r...@winmutt.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 6:30 AM Subject: [MBZ] New mog has spinners! http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
WILTON wrote: Watch; how long before somebody puts those wheels on a 126? I think they do that to W140s now. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
Donk, d, donk, d, donknah. Jackass for sure. Mike On Jun 8, 2011 9:45 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Interesting. Our Car Quest guys are totally top notch. The Autozone guys are hit or miss but generally if they're a miss they won't last long but they ALWAYS show up at Advance later on. I'll only buy stuff at Advance if I have to, like when I needed calipers in a hurry and Advance was the only place that could get them for Sunday delivery. -Curt Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:47:04 -0500 From: Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: 4deec688.9000...@eatel.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Around here it's NAPA, Car Quest/ Advance then Autozone. Most Autozoners around here are so dumb they'll tell you Your Mb diesel uses spark plugs NOT Glow Plugs. Sheee Russ W On 6/7/2011 7:01 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Ugh, around here if you're too dumb to work at Car Quest you go work at Autozone, if you're too dumb for Autozone you go work at Advance, if you're too dumb to work at Advance you don't work... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FLAPS was: Rotella in OM-617
Around here it is Arnolds, a small regional chain, then oreally? then NAPA (who used to be really good, but now they ignore the counter trade to concentrate on the shop trade) then carquest (who used to be Jockos and were really good), then Advance. Autozone was so bad they folded up several years ago. Always entertaining when a walton has to fold up. It was also interesting to watch the walton-walton battle of oreally driving out autozone. Car Quest is very good in some places, but not here. Arnolds and NAPA have almost all the shop trade, including the stealer-dealers, who claim to only use OE parts... (Charge for a GM new starter, put in a reman.) Interesting. Our Car Quest guys are totally top notch. The Autozone guys are hit or miss but generally if they're a miss they won't last long but they ALWAYS show up at Advance later on. I'll only buy stuff at Advance if I have to, like when I needed calipers in a hurry and Advance was the only place that could get them for Sunday delivery. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Since I had my '84 300D converted to R134a many moons ago when there was indication that R12 would no longer be available, the AC in this car has never been really good on hot days even when the R134a has been topped up. The '85 300TD I purchased from my brother this past year had never been converted from R12 and hadn't had a recharge in many years, so I had a Freeze 12 charge with fresh oil added. Since the Freeze 12 in the 300TD seems to cool things down a lot better than the R134a in the 300D (Note: returning from a visit about 15-18 mi. during an afternoon when the outside temp. was ~86-88F and humid, I ended up turning the temp. wheel off MIN and the fan setting to low; it reminded me of a GM car) I'm considering switching from the R134a to Freeze 12 in the 300D after I do some troubleshooting/comparing of the performance of the ACC system as per J. Cathey's troubleshooting guide. The ACC system in my 300D does not have air blowing through the center dash vents when the AC is on and I get maximum heat no matter where the temperature wheel is set, whereas the ACC system in the 300TD seems to operate fine so I hope I get some clue as to the cause of the maladies with the ACC in the 300D. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Take it back to r12/freeze 12 or the Cathey test blend. An MB r12 system is marginal at best. When converted to 134, it is good to only about 85 F and worse than running with the windows down at temps over 90 when you really need it. Since I had my '84 300D converted to R134a many moons ago when there was indication that R12 would no longer be available, the AC in this car has never been really good on hot days even when the R134a has been topped up. The '85 300TD I purchased from my brother this past year had never been converted from R12 and hadn't had a recharge in many years, so I had a Freeze 12 charge with fresh oil added. Since the Freeze 12 in the 300TD seems to cool things down a lot better than the R134a in the 300D (Note: returning from a visit about 15-18 mi. during an afternoon when the outside temp. was ~86-88F and humid, I ended up turning the temp. wheel off MIN and the fan setting to low; it reminded me of a GM car) I'm considering switching from the R134a to Freeze 12 in the 300D after I do some troubleshooting/comparing of the performance of the ACC system as per J. Cathey's troubleshooting guide. The ACC system in my 300D does not have air blowing through the center dash vents when the AC is on and I get maximum heat no matter where the temperature wheel is set, whereas the ACC system in the 300TD seems to operate fine so I hope I get some clue as to the cause of the maladies with the ACC in the 300D. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
I'm a big fan of ES-12a for my R12 cars right now: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm I just bought another case of it! I have used Freeze 12 in the past also with excellent results in my W108. Jaime On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Take it back to r12/freeze 12 or the Cathey test blend. An MB r12 system is marginal at best. When converted to 134, it is good to only about 85 F and worse than running with the windows down at temps over 90 when you really need it. Since I had my '84 300D converted to R134a many moons ago when there was indication that R12 would no longer be available, the AC in this car has never been really good on hot days even when the R134a has been topped up. The '85 300TD I purchased from my brother this past year had never been converted from R12 and hadn't had a recharge in many years, so I had a Freeze 12 charge with fresh oil added. Since the Freeze 12 in the 300TD seems to cool things down a lot better than the R134a in the 300D (Note: returning from a visit about 15-18 mi. during an afternoon when the outside temp. was ~86-88F and humid, I ended up turning the temp. wheel off MIN and the fan setting to low; it reminded me of a GM car) I'm considering switching from the R134a to Freeze 12 in the 300D after I do some troubleshooting/comparing of the performance of the ACC system as per J. Cathey's troubleshooting guide. The ACC system in my 300D does not have air blowing through the center dash vents when the AC is on and I get maximum heat no matter where the temperature wheel is set, whereas the ACC system in the 300TD seems to operate fine so I hope I get some clue as to the cause of the maladies with the ACC in the 300D. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FLAPS was: Rotella in OM-617
Up here (Vancouver WA) the NAPA mostly caters to the shop trade too. My experience with Autozone has been much better. Their counter people (mostly gals) are quite knowledgeable and helpful. They actually have opened up a new store closer to my home, I'll have to check them out. Carquest is pretty good too. Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dieselhead Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:11 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] FLAPS was: Rotella in OM-617 Around here it is Arnolds, a small regional chain, then oreally? then NAPA (who used to be really good, but now they ignore the counter trade to concentrate on the shop trade) then carquest (who used to be Jockos and were really good), then Advance. Autozone was so bad they folded up several years ago. Always entertaining when a walton has to fold up. It was also interesting to watch the walton-walton battle of oreally driving out autozone. Car Quest is very good in some places, but not here. Arnolds and NAPA have almost all the shop trade, including the stealer-dealers, who claim to only use OE parts... (Charge for a GM new starter, put in a reman.) Interesting. Our Car Quest guys are totally top notch. The Autozone guys are hit or miss but generally if they're a miss they won't last long but they ALWAYS show up at Advance later on. I'll only buy stuff at Advance if I have to, like when I needed calipers in a hurry and Advance was the only place that could get them for Sunday delivery. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
I find that only one quart per change is needed (if that!), even when I drove 40k miles in 9 mos (oil changes were due at approximately 18kmi intervals) Now if the thing didn't have the snappy glow plugs! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:15, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: You are correct, when the low oil light started blinking, I added half a quart, which was actually at 5500 miles, so roughly 1 qt per 11,000 miles. It's my first fill of M1 in this engine, so it may get better, but I'm happy with current consumption. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 10:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Are you sure that the 606 uses a quart that often? The fill-max distance is about a quart, and both of mine end up halfway between post-change. It takes 6-8k miles for it to drop to add, so that's really 12-16k per quart... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 2, 2011, at 18:09, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Allan, which weight of M1? My NA OM617 used a lot of M1, OM603 uses about one quart per 2500 miles, OM606 about one quart per 5000 miles. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
I found that one of my local-ish Pep Boys stocks 5w40 Formula M! -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 7, 2011, at 14:06, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Interesting. I've been pondering what to do with my '84 190D, its got R12 but isn't really cooling all that well. I dunno if it leaks or what but vent temps are in the high 50s so I presume it needs a charge. I've been trolling Craigslist for R12 but wouldn't mind doing something like this. My Indy wants to convert to 134a. Looks as though I'd need a quick charge kit, a set of R12 gauges, or put the 134 fittings on and get a set of 134 gauges. Then get a shop to pull out whatever is in there, put a vacuum on it and back home recharge with this stuff? Seems easy enough. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:28:28 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12 Message-ID: banlktikbrbnqqh7chm6yd_bg-nxqj2x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm a big fan of ES-12a for my R12 cars right now: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm I just bought another case of it! I have used Freeze 12 in the past also with excellent results in my W108. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
I've flushed out the lines, evaporator, and condenser on my '83 300D; installed a new filter and expansion valve; but still haven't figured out how to flush the ester oil out of the compressor so I can use regular mineral oil and Envirosafe or Freeze 12. Looks like it might be possible to suck most of the ester oil out the bottom of the compressor since the lines are off, but not sure what effect, if any, the remaining oil will have on the Envirosafe or Freeze 12. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com I'm a big fan of ES-12a for my R12 cars right now: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm I just bought another case of it! I have used Freeze 12 in the past also with excellent results in my W108. Jaime On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Take it back to r12/freeze 12 or the Cathey test blend. An MB r12 system is marginal at best. When converted to 134, it is good to only about 85 F and worse than running with the windows down at temps over 90 when you really need it. Since I had my '84 300D converted to R134a many moons ago when there was indication that R12 would no longer be available, the AC in this car has never been really good on hot days even when the R134a has been topped up. The '85 300TD I purchased from my brother this past year had never been converted from R12 and hadn't had a recharge in many years, so I had a Freeze 12 charge with fresh oil added. Since the Freeze 12 in the 300TD seems to cool things down a lot better than the R134a in the 300D (Note: returning from a visit about 15-18 mi. during an afternoon when the outside temp. was ~86-88F and humid, I ended up turning the temp. wheel off MIN and the fan setting to low; it reminded me of a GM car) I'm considering switching from the R134a to Freeze 12 in the 300D after I do some troubleshooting/comparing of the performance of the ACC system as per J. Cathey's troubleshooting guide. The ACC system in my 300D does not have air blowing through the center dash vents when the AC is on and I get maximum heat no matter where the temperature wheel is set, whereas the ACC system in the 300TD seems to operate fine so I hope I get some clue as to the cause of the maladies with the ACC in the 300D. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
The Mamabenz (300SD) has been converted to 134, these last coupla weeks it has been getting less and less coolie, was fine when we got it 2.5 yr ago. I put a can of 134 into it the other night and it was BLOWING ICE COLD in 85+F temp. So I don't know about performance issues, it seems to be OK. The boy brought his SD here over Mem Day and is leaving it, it had R12 in it and was working OK when we got it 4 years ago, but it has leaked down and does not cool. I was thinking to put one of these alternatives in it and see if I can get it to BLOW ICE COLD, but was also thinking I should replace the seals and such -- so does anyone know where to get a set and where to put them on the system? --R On 6/8/11 1:22 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Take it back to r12/freeze 12 or the Cathey test blend. An MB r12 system is marginal at best. When converted to 134, it is good to only about 85 F and worse than running with the windows down at temps over 90 when you really need it. Since I had my '84 300D converted to R134a many moons ago when there was indication that R12 would no longer be available, the AC in this car has never been really good on hot days even when the R134a has been topped up. The '85 300TD I purchased from my brother this past year had never been converted from R12 and hadn't had a recharge in many years, so I had a Freeze 12 charge with fresh oil added. Since the Freeze 12 in the 300TD seems to cool things down a lot better than the R134a in the 300D (Note: returning from a visit about 15-18 mi. during an afternoon when the outside temp. was ~86-88F and humid, I ended up turning the temp. wheel off MIN and the fan setting to low; it reminded me of a GM car) I'm considering switching from the R134a to Freeze 12 in the 300D after I do some troubleshooting/comparing of the performance of the ACC system as per J. Cathey's troubleshooting guide. The ACC system in my 300D does not have air blowing through the center dash vents when the AC is on and I get maximum heat no matter where the temperature wheel is set, whereas the ACC system in the 300TD seems to operate fine so I hope I get some clue as to the cause of the maladies with the ACC in the 300D. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Gerry Archer wrote: I've flushed out the lines, evaporator, and condenser on my '83 300D; installed a new filter and expansion valve; but still haven't figured out how to flush the ester oil out of the compressor so I can use regular mineral oil and Envirosafe or Freeze 12. Ester oil is failry benign stuff. Worst case, it eventually works its way out of the compressor and puddles in the condenser, reducing the system's ability to get rid of heat. PAG oil, on the other hand, has nasty reaction by-products when exposed to water and R12. For that reason, I don't think PAG is ever used in R134 conversions. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] That'll buff right out
http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/2427012651.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OTP list
Hope you're back on the road soon. Spent the moring out in a friends Boxster, in very hot and humid weather. The old SC seems to be running well, but needs a few small trim bits installed. Some I have waiting on the shelf, others I'm gathering. I even had a guyin an old SC give me the flash last week while out driving. He must have been a long time owner, as I've never seen anyone in a 996 or 997 do it. Ed 300E On 6 June 2011 17:12, relng...@aol.com wrote: ...ps, the old 911 fired right up, first turn of the key when I got her out this year, and is running great. Wishing you and Roger a great porsche driving season! :-)... Not happening right now since mine is parked with a failed clutch slave cylinder until I can schedule it in for a fix. Along with a bunch of other stuff that I've been avoiding. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
I've kept both of my MB's (124, 126) on R12. Whenever I need some R12, I go to one of the several refrigerant sites available on Internet and order a case. 'Don't remember if I've gotten any from autorefrigerants.com; 'may have. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12 Interesting. I've been pondering what to do with my '84 190D, its got R12 but isn't really cooling all that well. I dunno if it leaks or what but vent temps are in the high 50s so I presume it needs a charge. I've been trolling Craigslist for R12 but wouldn't mind doing something like this. My Indy wants to convert to 134a. Looks as though I'd need a quick charge kit, a set of R12 gauges, or put the 134 fittings on and get a set of 134 gauges. Then get a shop to pull out whatever is in there, put a vacuum on it and back home recharge with this stuff? Seems easy enough. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:28:28 -0400 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12 Message-ID: banlktikbrbnqqh7chm6yd_bg-nxqj2x...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm a big fan of ES-12a for my R12 cars right now: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm I just bought another case of it! I have used Freeze 12 in the past also with excellent results in my W108. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] heater-a/c question in '05 E320
Hi Everyone, A friend with an '05 E320 experienced a problem the other day while driving home late at night. It is hot and humid here now, and when he turned on the a/c to clear the windows, it seemed to work ok in the front compartment, but the heater was blowing in the rear. Any ideas as to what the problem could be, or where to start looking? Thanks in advance, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] That'll buff right out
'Bet Jim could enjoy whipping this into shape. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] That'll buff right out http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/2427012651.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heater-a/c question in '05 E320
Hot and Humid in Ontario? Isn't that one of those oxy somethings? ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Larry Turner l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] heater-a/c question in '05 E320 Hi Everyone, A friend with an '05 E320 experienced a problem the other day while driving home late at night. It is hot and humid here now, and when he turned on the a/c to clear the windows, it seemed to work ok in the front compartment, but the heater was blowing in the rear. Any ideas as to what the problem could be, or where to start looking? Thanks in advance, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Back when I was consistently doing 30k/yr with my '85 190D it was doing about 1qt/6,000 miles on 12k changes with M1 5w40. I haven't driven the '84 190D enough yet to really know as I'm only just closing in on the first 10k. Looks like a qt/3k right now but improving, its only had M1 for about 6,000 miles. Interestingly my '78 240D might be the least leaky/consuming 616 I've yet had. I had to add this week but I think thats around 2,500 miles since the last time and when I was driving it to work full time 2 weeks ago I was driving it HARD to burn out the carbon. Hard driving on a 240D tends to consume some oil. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:53:06 -0400 From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: 886242e3-5506-4cfa-8a93-d477bd333...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I find that only one quart per change is needed (if that!), even when I drove 40k miles in 9 mos (oil changes were due at approximately 18kmi intervals) Now if the thing didn't have the snappy glow plugs! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:15, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: You are correct, when the low oil light started blinking, I added half a quart, which was actually at 5500 miles, so roughly 1 qt per 11,000 miles. It's my first fill of M1 in this engine, so it may get better, but I'm happy with current consumption. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] heater-a/c question in '05 E320
It was until a few days ago. But when the heat and humidity arrives here, it arrives with a bang! The service shops go from changing snow tires one week, to recharging a/c systems the next!! lol Ed 300E On 8 June 2011 14:32, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Hot and Humid in Ontario? Isn't that one of those oxy somethings? ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com; Larry Turner l02tur...@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] heater-a/c question in '05 E320 Hi Everyone, A friend with an '05 E320 experienced a problem the other day while driving home late at night. It is hot and humid here now, and when he turned on the a/c to clear the windows, it seemed to work ok in the front compartment, but the heater was blowing in the rear. Any ideas as to what the problem could be, or where to start looking? Thanks in advance, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a big fan of ES-12a for my R12 cars right now: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm Jaime, can you outline the process you used to convert the R-12 cars over to ES12? My '87 300D has lost its charge and while I have lots of R-12 squirreled away I'm not eager to refill the system blindly, not knowing where and how badly it's leaking. Looking at the FAQ on autorefrigerants.com I'm unclear whether one can simply vacuum out a system running R-12 and just add back a proportionally smaller amount of ES-12 until it works again. Is it really that simple, or did you have to worry about more complicated steps like flushing the compressor, changing the oil in the system, adding more or different oil, or any other caveats? I'm sure I'm not the only person here with a dead R-12 system wondering what the best course of action is as the hot months rapidly approach. Thanks, Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] That'll buff right out
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/2427012651.html 'Bet Jim could enjoy whipping this into shape. Just what Jill needs, another busted generator! Seems overpriced to me by about an order of magnitude, depending on how much it weighs and the current scrap price. (Steel prices seem to have gone down recently... I got quoted $249 locally for one of my parts cars that I'm done cannibalizing, an '82 Saab 900 sedan with all the metal and glass still there but all the hard-to-find interior plastic bits, switches, etc. removed to keep in reserve for another project.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] That'll buff right out
On 08/06/2011 2:26 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Seems overpriced to me by about an order of magnitude, depending on how much it weighs and the current scrap price. (Steel prices seem to have gone down recently... I got quoted $249 locally for one of my parts cars that I'm done cannibalizing, an '82 Saab 900 sedan with all the metal and glass still there but all the hard-to-find interior plastic bits, switches, etc. removed to keep in reserve for another project.) Alex Depends on condition - hard to tell from photos. If it is not seized and can be made to run, it should be worth that much or more. You could go into business building your own pipelines etc. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] That'll buff right out
Looks like a venerable old Lincoln Pipeliner with a Continental 4 cylinder flathead. Continental parts are frighteningly expensive and many are NLA, so this is probably best relegated to the scrap heap for beer money. Dan From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 3:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] That'll buff right out On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:28 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: http://charleston.craigslist.org/tls/2427012651.html 'Bet Jim could enjoy whipping this into shape. Just what Jill needs, another busted generator! Seems overpriced to me by about an order of magnitude, depending on how much it weighs and the current scrap price. (Steel prices seem to have gone down recently... I got quoted $249 locally for one of my parts cars that I'm done cannibalizing, an '82 Saab 900 sedan with all the metal and glass still there but all the hard-to-find interior plastic bits, switches, etc. removed to keep in reserve for another project.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Hi Alex, All of the cars which I've used ES12a in have already been converted to R134a. But even when they're still running R12, they claim that ES12a is directly compatible. The installation information is available here, lower down on the page: http://autorefrigerants.com/Envirotechnical.htm Its been recommended to me by several pros in the classic car business who use it in their customer's cars. Jaime On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:28 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a big fan of ES-12a for my R12 cars right now: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm Jaime, can you outline the process you used to convert the R-12 cars over to ES12? My '87 300D has lost its charge and while I have lots of R-12 squirreled away I'm not eager to refill the system blindly, not knowing where and how badly it's leaking. Looking at the FAQ on autorefrigerants.com I'm unclear whether one can simply vacuum out a system running R-12 and just add back a proportionally smaller amount of ES-12 until it works again. Is it really that simple, or did you have to worry about more complicated steps like flushing the compressor, changing the oil in the system, adding more or different oil, or any other caveats? I'm sure I'm not the only person here with a dead R-12 system wondering what the best course of action is as the hot months rapidly approach. Thanks, Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, All of the cars which I've used ES12a in have already been converted to R134a. But even when they're still running R12, they claim that ES12a is directly compatible. The installation information is available here, lower down on the page: http://autorefrigerants.com/Envirotechnical.htm Hmm, I see. So putting it into a factory R134a car is a no-brainer. But on an R12 car, they want you to change the fittings over to R134a fittings permanently before you add the ES-12a, just as if you were using one of the cheapo conversion kits sold at auto parts stores. But what if you want to try out the ES-12a in an R12 system temporarily, in order to determine whether it's leaking or not before you commit to putting R12 in it? I think that this may be a dumb question to which I already know the answer... but just to make sure, could you put ES12a into an R12 system without changing the fittings by using an R12 gauge set and a clamp-type can tap? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New mog has spinners!
And there's the Lego version http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/lego-technic-unimog/ I WANT! :) Luther KB5QHUOak Park, IL '87 300SDL (312,xxx mi) '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi) On 6/8/2011 5:30 AM, Rolf wrote: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2011/06/this-new-unimog-looks-like-a-poison-frog/ Not quite spinners but well, its quite something else. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
I'm not sure, but don't those conversion fittings just screw onto the R12 fittings? You could always take them off unless they bugger the R12 fittings, non-reversible or something. I want to do this too, so it would be great to find out how it works. --R On 6/8/11 6:26 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Jaime Kopchinskijaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, All of the cars which I've used ES12a in have already been converted to R134a. But even when they're still running R12, they claim that ES12a is directly compatible. The installation information is available here, lower down on the page: http://autorefrigerants.com/Envirotechnical.htm Hmm, I see. So putting it into a factory R134a car is a no-brainer. But on an R12 car, they want you to change the fittings over to R134a fittings permanently before you add the ES-12a, just as if you were using one of the cheapo conversion kits sold at auto parts stores. But what if you want to try out the ES-12a in an R12 system temporarily, in order to determine whether it's leaking or not before you commit to putting R12 in it? I think that this may be a dumb question to which I already know the answer... but just to make sure, could you put ES12a into an R12 system without changing the fittings by using an R12 gauge set and a clamp-type can tap? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Rich Thomas wrote: I'm not sure, but don't those conversion fittings just screw onto the R12 fittings? You could always take them off unless they bugger the R12 fittings, non-reversible or something. I want to do this too, so it would be great to find out how it works. Most conversion fittings have permanent glue in them. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
I don't see why you couldn't just fill through the R12 ports... they even sell a hose set to do this on their website. My R134a gauge set has R12 fittings... just remove the R134 connectors from the end of the hose and you're all set! Jaime On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, All of the cars which I've used ES12a in have already been converted to R134a. But even when they're still running R12, they claim that ES12a is directly compatible. The installation information is available here, lower down on the page: http://autorefrigerants.com/Envirotechnical.htm Hmm, I see. So putting it into a factory R134a car is a no-brainer. But on an R12 car, they want you to change the fittings over to R134a fittings permanently before you add the ES-12a, just as if you were using one of the cheapo conversion kits sold at auto parts stores. But what if you want to try out the ES-12a in an R12 system temporarily, in order to determine whether it's leaking or not before you commit to putting R12 in it? I think that this may be a dumb question to which I already know the answer... but just to make sure, could you put ES12a into an R12 system without changing the fittings by using an R12 gauge set and a clamp-type can tap? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Vintage Racing
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Re: [MBZ] Website Hosting
Look at DotEasy On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Walt Zarnoch zarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: I second site5, been with them about 4 years or so with zero issues. Walt On Jun 7, 2011 2:47 PM, Rolf r...@winmutt.com wrote: I have the same think with quantact. -Rolf On 06/07/2011 02:41 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Impressive thing about plusplus is that the owner, Miguel I think, fixes everything you need. He knows what hes doing, and remembers who you are. Odd for any internet company. Jaime On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Interesting, I've been using 11 (I think at your suggestion) for 4 years now with no issues what so ever... I did have a DNS screwup a few years ago but a quick call (to India of course) got it working in a couple minutes. -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 10:47:34 -0400 From: Dan Penofflwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Website Hosting Message-ID:be843f6e-43d6-4a27-bafd-2937c7885...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Looking for a new provider to host my 15 or so domains, most of which are just parked and doing nothing. I have used 11 for a number of years, but they are asshats and I have grown tired of their lack of response when I have problems as well as the annual bounce that seems to occur where my ISP blackholes my IP addresses due to excessive spam (that is not coming from me!) I don't want cheap and dirty, I want reasonably priced and stable/reliable with decent support. No need for fancy services like ecommerce or the likes. Thanks in advance. Dan Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rich Thomas wrote: I'm not sure, but don't those conversion fittings just screw onto the R12 fittings? You could always take them off unless they bugger the R12 fittings, non-reversible or something. I want to do this too, so it would be great to find out how it works. Most conversion fittings have permanent glue in them. And if you aren't aware of that fact and try to force them off, the valve core can be damaged and release the refrigerant all at once. Oops! (Good thing I was wearing safety goggles and wasn't directly in the line of fire.) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] That'll buff right out
'Bet Jim could enjoy whipping this into shape. Urk. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
question to which I already know the answer... but just to make sure, could you put ES12a into an R12 system without changing the fittings by using an R12 gauge set and a clamp-type can tap? Sounds like you already know the secret! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Then get a shop to pull out whatever is in there, put a vacuum on it and back home recharge with this stuff? Seems easy enough. I would not leave a vacuum on it for very long, nature abhors such things you know. Don't convert it to anything, just recharge it with an R12 compatible substance and enjoy! I hang a tag on my low-side fitting stating what's in there. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Is it really that simple, If you're using an R12-compatible refrigerant, it's really that simple. a dead R-12 system wondering what the best course of action is as the hot months rapidly approach. I like to use a test refrigerant. Sadly, none of my cars have passed their tests yet. I'm not too sure how many years' use constitutes a passing grade, though. Some fail, and need a recharge every year or two. Damn, there goes $7 again! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Some adapters screw over the original fitting, some require removing the valve and have one in the adapter (MB comversion fittings are the second type, I've ruined a couple schreader vavles putting them on). They are usually glued down with blue permatex -- if they don't unscrew easily, just heat them with a propane torch and soften up the adhesive. System vented, please, and watch out for heat going to the rubber hoses. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
If you could figure a way to reclaim the oil off the valve cover I think you could go ten or twenty thousand miles of highway driving without losing a drop in a 240..lololol Mike On Jun 8, 2011 2:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Back when I was consistently doing 30k/yr with my '85 190D it was doing about 1qt/6,000 miles on 12k changes with M1 5w40. I haven't driven the '84 190D enough yet to really know as I'm only just closing in on the first 10k. Looks like a qt/3k right now but improving, its only had M1 for about 6,000 miles. Interestingly my '78 240D might be the least leaky/consuming 616 I've yet had. I had to add this week but I think thats around 2,500 miles since the last time and when I was driving it to work full time 2 weeks ago I was driving it HARD to burn out the carbon. Hard driving on a 240D tends to consume some oil. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:53:06 -0400 From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: 886242e3-5506-4cfa-8a93-d477bd333...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I find that only one quart per change is needed (if that!), even when I drove 40k miles in 9 mos (oil changes were due at approximately 18kmi intervals) Now if the thing didn't have the snappy glow plugs! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:15, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: You are correct, when the low oil light started blinking, I added half a quart, which was actually at 5500 miles, so roughly 1 qt per 11,000 miles. It's my first fill of M1 in this engine, so it may get better, but I'm happy with current consumption. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] An OT motoring curiosity
http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2011/06/drug-cartels-building-diy-tanks.html --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Website Hosting
I use namecheap.com and never had any issues. Allan Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com writes: Looking for a new provider to host my 15 or so domains, most of which are just parked and doing nothing. I have used 11 for a number of years, but they are asshats and I have grown tired of their lack of response when I have problems as well as the annual bounce that seems to occur where my ISP blackholes my IP addresses due to excessive spam (that is not coming from me!) I don't want cheap and dirty, I want reasonably priced and stable/reliable with decent support. No need for fancy services like ecommerce or the likes. Thanks in advance. Dan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Ever ask? Nah. The guys at the local places are generally too busy answering the phone to deal with people who actually bothered to come into the store. I've actually had one cut me off mid-sentence to answer the phone. I just turned and walked out. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FLAPS was: Rotella in OM-617
Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes: Arnolds and NAPA have almost all the shop trade, including the stealer-dealers, who claim to only use OE parts... (Charge for a GM new starter, put in a reman.) Same around here, I have more than once seen the NAPA delivery truck pulling in or out of different dealerships around town. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] AC Freeze 12
Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: Hmm, I see. So putting it into a factory R134a car is a no-brainer. But on an R12 car, they want you to change the fittings over to R134a fittings permanently before you add the ES-12a, just as if you were using one of the cheapo conversion kits sold at auto parts stores. Pretty sure this is because of some whacko EPA rule that says you cannot replace R12 with anything but R134a, but it's OK to replace R134a with one of the alternative refrigerants. So to be strictly legal, you first have to convert to R134a then convert again to the alternative. A more legitimate reason may be that if the system still has the R12-style service valves but is actually charged with something else you could end up contaminating the R12 recovery machine if it's ever serviced later at a shop. But you're also supposed to clearly mark any AC system that's been converted to any non-OE refrigerant. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] That'll buff right out
Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com writes: Seems overpriced to me by about an order of magnitude, depending on how much it weighs and the current scrap price. (Steel prices seem to have gone down recently Probably a fair amount of copper in it though, which is worth something. Guessing not $500 though. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Vintage Racing
Ahh yes when men where men, not like the wimpy posers that sit in F1 cars these days. Hendrik who is having trouble with stupid spam filter Gerry Archer wrote: http://vimeo.com/20247765 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
