[MBZ] OH Boy I'm Rich!

[Barry Stark]

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I got this E-mail on Monday. Hope this isn't typical of the skill level of
an English major at Yale.

Well, to tell the truth this is the E-mail address that it was directed to
respond back to.

cleaims1...@taleltly.nets.hk



Is that Hong Kong?

Barry


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Re: [MBZ] Chi-town followup

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> For the Chi-Town resident listers I didn't get to meet I'll catch you next 
> time, this was a super quick trip. I didn't even take time off from work, 
> rolled into Chicago, worked from my friend's apartment all day, interviewed 
> Friday, did a little sight-seeing Saturday and home Saturday afternoon...
>

Food?
Food, man.
Chicago is nothing if not food.
What food did you do while here?
Hot dogs - Gene & Jude's
Pizza - Malnati
Plus all the other downtown stuff, hole in the walls with character.
Chicago is food, dude.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Craig]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:43:35 -0400 "Allan Streib" 
wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:33 AM, "Peter Frederick"
>  wrote:
> 
> > Gravity cooling fridges are limited to very small capacity ones (dorm
> > fridges) and they provide very poor freezing capacity.
> 
> Had a gravity cooling fridge in an apartment I lived in years ago.
> Looked like a traditional fridge (separate freezer compartment on top)
> but there was also a small coil in the refrigerator compartment.

When we lived in the "Little Mobile Home on the Prairie," we had a
Servel, gas-fired refrigerator. It worked well and the quiet gurgle was
interesting to listen to.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Max]

Gotcha.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Curt Raymond  wrote:

Right and the water gets there largely from ambient air. Remove the air and 
remove the source of water. That way a one time treatment for water that came 
in with the fuel gets rid of the issue.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:47:59 -0400
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The microbial growth is anerobic; lives in water in the yank, eats the fuel.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Randy Bennell  wrote:

On 12/10/2011 3:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> In a stable environment you could evacuate the air from a tank couldn't you? 
> That'd eliminate a large part of your potential problem. With a bladder tank 
> it'd be pretty easy.
>
> Need a way to allow air when the generator started up though.
>
> -Curt
>
Just a good strong fuel pump needed.

Just suck that bladder tank flat.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Russ Williams]

They failed due to 3 reasons.
They were all Diesel powered so most ran out of fuel. Tanks went dry.
Tanks were located in as low spot. when water went over the berm tanks 
floated away.
And the Big reason was the pumps did not have CFM capacity that was 
needed and

Pump generators were flooded.
I worked in the 9th ward after and we found 2 of the tanks about 3 miles 
away from
the pump station they belonged. one was still half full of diesel. I was 
able to salvage

about 30 gal out of it.

Russ W.


On 10/12/2011 1:29 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

I was thinking the same when I saw the post about conversion to NG.  I
recalled the failure of the generators in New Orleans during Katrina.  I
agree that you are better off being self-sufficient in anticipation of an
emergency.

Greg




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Re: [MBZ] Chi-town followup

[Dieselhead]

Winnipeg and Vancouver B.C. are the cleanest cities I have seen.  I 
do think Chicago has improved over the past 30 years, or at least not 
gotten worse.




Curt Raymond  writes:


 Its a very clean city, or at least it was where we were in the west
 loop and down to Navy Pier. In Boston even a tourist area like Navy
 Pier would never been cleaned and I don't think there are any urban
 areas as clean as the west loop. I also made my friend go on the
 subway which she doesn't normally do but again I wanted to know what
 it'd be like. Much cleaner than the T in Boston.


Funny when I was living there people always remarked about how clean a
city it was.  I guess all the patronage job olders in Streets and San
must actually get some work done

Personally I always thought it was pretty filthy but I guess I don't
have a lot to compare it to.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Chi-town followup

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond  writes:

> Its a very clean city, or at least it was where we were in the west
> loop and down to Navy Pier. In Boston even a tourist area like Navy
> Pier would never been cleaned and I don't think there are any urban
> areas as clean as the west loop. I also made my friend go on the
> subway which she doesn't normally do but again I wanted to know what
> it'd be like. Much cleaner than the T in Boston.

Funny when I was living there people always remarked about how clean a
city it was.  I guess all the patronage job olders in Streets and San
must actually get some work done

Personally I always thought it was pretty filthy but I guess I don't
have a lot to compare it to.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Dan Penoff]

There are systems such as you describe that are used to "polish" the fuel on a 
regular basis. It is also done with portable equipment sold as a value-added 
annual maintenance item, too.

One of the companies I used to work for sold such a service.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:

> Max  writes:
> 
>> The microbial growth is anerobic; lives in water in the yank, eats the
>> fuel.
> 
> Yeah I think the answer is to keep the water out, which is difficult in
> a large tank unless it's absolutely full, which it probably can't be
> unless it's underground at a constant temperature you need to allow
> expansion space as fuel temperature changes.
> 
> Probably could set up a constantly circulating system with a
> filtering/water removal element.  Might be worth it for critical
> installations.
> 
> Allan
> 
> -- 
> 1983 300D
> 1979 300SD
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Allan Streib]

Max  writes:

> The microbial growth is anerobic; lives in water in the yank, eats the
> fuel.

Yeah I think the answer is to keep the water out, which is difficult in
a large tank unless it's absolutely full, which it probably can't be
unless it's underground at a constant temperature you need to allow
expansion space as fuel temperature changes.

Probably could set up a constantly circulating system with a
filtering/water removal element.  Might be worth it for critical
installations.

Allan

-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Curt Raymond]

Right and the water gets there largely from ambient air. Remove the air and 
remove the source of water. That way a one time treatment for water that came 
in with the fuel gets rid of the issue.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:47:59 -0400
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The microbial growth is anerobic; lives in water in the yank, eats the fuel.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Randy Bennell  wrote:

On 12/10/2011 3:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> In a stable environment you could evacuate the air from a tank couldn't you? 
> That'd eliminate a large part of your potential problem. With a bladder tank 
> it'd be pretty easy.
>
> Need a way to allow air when the generator started up though.
>
> -Curt
>
Just a good strong fuel pump needed.

Just suck that bladder tank flat.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Chi-town followup

[Curt Raymond]

Started looking at apartments today, its not horrible but its certainly 
possible to spend a huge amount. We'll plan on renting at least through the 
first year.

Hard to tell if I'll be able to have a Benz there, probably won't have space to 
work on it myself and ideally my commute will cut down to walking. Also we have 
a note on the Ranger so I'm not sure we can sell it.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:01:01 -0500
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Best of luck to you.  Keep us midwesterners posted.  My in-laws are in
chicago so I spend alot of time in that neck of the woods.

Peter

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> So last Thursday I went to Chi-Town. My friend there really played it up
> for me so it was difficult to force myself to remember to think about the
> place as if I'd be living there.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Ot-restore old Benz

[clay monroe]

that sux.  Try the gallery button at the top

On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> 
> Error 404: Page not found
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/5/11 2:18 PM, Clay wrote:
>> Mercedes Motoring -  Gallery
>> 
>> http://www.stumbleupon.com/to/s/2emIIG
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[clay monroe]

I am looking at the Morgans as a possible replacement for Gump.  They are NG 
powered

clay

On Oct 12, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

> Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most municipalities, 
> with the exception of areas covered by earthquake codes, such as California.
> 
> That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a 
> dedicated source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more output (kW) 
> from the generator.
> 
> I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. Big 
> up-front expense, but at least you don't have to worry about fuel spoilage.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 12, 2011, at 4:46 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
> 
>> For a backup unit I would not convert to a fuel that will be shut off
>> during a disaster.  With a propane tank you at least have until it runs out,
>> with NG you get nothing when the worst happens and the supply is shut off.
>> 
>> Mike
>> On Oct 11, 2011 11:32 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Happy to hear that Dan. I have really done nothing more than haul it home
>>> so far. Need to take a closer look at it and see if the motor runs.
>>> 
>>> Thinking I will likely convert to NG as that won't require storage tanks
>>> but I understand that will knock it down to 8Kw.
>>> 
>>> I also have a Generac unit that I bought before this one. I pulled it out
>>> of the shed on Sunday for the first time in a year or more and it fired up
>>> immediately. The newer gas engines do seem to be much better than the old
>>> ones were.
>>> The reason for buying the Winco was the fact that it was propane fueled as
>>> I figured it could sit much longer without being concerned about the
>>> deterioration of the fuel. However, it is pretty hard on fuel as I
>>> understand from reading the manuals. Thus the desire to switch it to NG as
>>> we have NG at the house.
>>> 
>>> Do you know anything much about the conversion? I assume it is just a
>>> matter of swapping jets in the carb.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 07/10/2011 5:03 PM, LWB250 wrote:
>>> 
 Wincos are great units.  Very sturdy and basic, sort of a 240D of the
 small generator business.  Lots of them out there still in service.
 
 From what you described I figured it was a Winco
 
 Dan
 
 
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 Blue and mounted.
 
 Winco from the 80's.
 
 Is that good or bad??
 
 Randy
 
 
 On 07/10/2011 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 
> Randy,
> 
> What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer switch
> "loose" or mounted on the generator skid?
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell   wrote:
> 
> On 07/10/2011 3:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>> 
>>> Thoughts on a fair price for this?
>>> 
>>> http://bloomington.craigslist.**org/tls/2637159029.html
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> __**_
>>> 
>>> I think I would want to see it before I made much of a guess on price.
>> Does it look like that or is it an old photo? Do I get to dismantle the
>> wiring for the switch panel etc or has some hack already done it for me?
>> 
>> Apart from that, I normally  think most used items should not cost more
>> than about half of what it might cost to buy a new one like it. Maybe 
>> more
>> if it looks to be exceptional and I can see it run etc.
>> 
>> For what it is worth, I bought a 10Kw standby generator last year for
>> $550. Older than that but not ancient. Twin cylinder Wisconsin engine -
>> propane fueled. I am no expert on this sort of thing but includes the 
>> auto
>> switch over setup etc. IE - it is connected to line voltage, and if the
>> power fails, it is supposed to start up on its own and run until the 
>> power
>> comes back on and shut itself off.
>> No breaker panel etc with it.
>> 
>> Randy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Fmiser]

> Dan Penoff wrote:

> Actually, you can do what is known as "automatic changeover"
> with a simple relay, a pressure switch and another solenoid
> valve.

Hmm.  An electric relay and an electric solenoid...  How does
that work when the electricity is missing?  A UPS for the
generator system?

Or is this one of those "big" systems with an generator that has
an electric starter so there would have to be a battery anyway.

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Max]

The microbial growth is anerobic; lives in water in the yank, eats the fuel.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Randy Bennell  wrote:

On 12/10/2011 3:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> In a stable environment you could evacuate the air from a tank couldn't you? 
> That'd eliminate a large part of your potential problem. With a bladder tank 
> it'd be pretty easy.
>
> Need a way to allow air when the generator started up though.
>
> -Curt
>
Just a good strong fuel pump needed.

Just suck that bladder tank flat.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Ot-restore old Benz

[Rich Thomas]

I saw one a coupla weeks ago, talked to the woman owner, that looked 
exactly like that gray one about 3-4 down, original condition.  There is 
a guy around who has a gold one like that old sedan about halfway down, 
in similar condition, original not restored.


--R

On 10/12/11 5:13 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Rich Thomas wrote:


 Error 404: Page not found


That's aa 404 on an embedded link in the home page. The banner/menu 
was still there, so I clicked on 'Gallery', which took me here:

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2emIIG/www.mercedesmotoring.com/gallery/
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[MBZ] OT Huge crash in Chile

[Rich Thomas]

Smoke on the road, huge crash on road from Santiago to Valpo.  Lots of 
vineyards along there.


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/10/12/ap/latinamerica/main20119354.shtml

The photo show is not for the faint of heart:

http://www.emol.com/noticias/nacional/2011/10/12/507582/minuto-a-minuto-fin-hospitales-entregan-lista-oficial-de-heridos.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Ot-restore old Benz

[Mitch Haley]

Rich Thomas wrote:


 Error 404: Page not found


That's aa 404 on an embedded link in the home page. The banner/menu was still 
there, so I clicked on 'Gallery', which took me here:

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/2emIIG/www.mercedesmotoring.com/gallery/

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:


Company I worked for was getting rid of a bunch of them, could have had it for 
$100. I didn't have anywhere to put it at the time.


For that price, buy three and find somebody who will store them if you let him 
keep one.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Mitch Haley]

Allan Streib wrote:


But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
on their standby generators to cover the case of the power being out
for a year.


In my case, it's a 500 gallon (350 in reality) propane tank for the furnace that 
the dealer doesn't let drop below 150 gallons because of the generator.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Randy Bennell]

On 12/10/2011 3:09 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

In a stable environment you could evacuate the air from a tank couldn't you? 
That'd eliminate a large part of your potential problem. With a bladder tank 
it'd be pretty easy.

Need a way to allow air when the generator started up though.

-Curt


Just a good strong fuel pump needed.

Just suck that bladder tank flat.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Curt Raymond]

In a stable environment you could evacuate the air from a tank couldn't you? 
That'd eliminate a large part of your potential problem. With a bladder tank 
it'd be pretty easy.

Need a way to allow air when the generator started up though.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:47:20 -0400
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Actually, some do.

Hospitals and government buildings are required by code to have a minimum 
amount of fuel on site based on full load consumption over a fixed period of 
time.

I saw plenty of places in my day that had large fuel supplies, mainly because 
the tanks were cheap at the time of construction or the specifying engineer 
though that "more must be better!"

The major problem with large volumes of diesel is keeping it stable over long 
periods of time.

If you think getting algae in your MB tank is a mess, try the same in a 10,000 
gallon tank.

It spreads rapidly, and in a matter of days will destroy the system and do some 
major damage to the fuel system if it isn't caught and remediated before 
running the unit.

Not a pretty sight to see, and VERY expensive to fix.

Dan

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Curt Raymond]

Now that you mention it I think thats probably what it was. In which case it 
was probably a 16hp which means 10k was probably a surge rating.

Still I'd love to have one now for our camp, the conventional generattle is 
pretty aggravating. With a diesel set like that I'd build a dedicated generator 
house, pour a pad, put the generator in it and build a shed around it. Try to 
steal my generator now rotten thieving bastards!

Yeah, we've had a generator stolen before...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:40:57 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
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Probably an old air cooled Lister. Very durable, lots of them
In third world countries.

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Oh man, back in the day I had the chance for a really old diesel gen. Single 
> cyl, I think it was rated at 25 or 30hp, the gen head I think was 10kw but 
> its been a long time.
> It had a badass kick start like on a motorcycle and ran really slow, like 
> 1200rpm. Was VERY quiet because it had 2 or 3 mufflers in line. The engine 
> rattled more than the exhaust. It'd been used for events and came on a wagon 
> with big rubber tires. You'd roll it where you wanted and then crank down 4 
> metal feet that lifted the whole wagon off the ground and if you didn't have 
> the pads in place would dig into the floor (!).
>
> Company I worked for was getting rid of a bunch of them, could have had it 
> for $100. I didn't have anywhere to put it at the time.
>
> -Curt
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Chi-town followup

[Peter Hertzing]

Best of luck to you.  Keep us midwesterners posted.  My in-laws are in
chicago so I spend alot of time in that neck of the woods.

Peter

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:54 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> So last Thursday I went to Chi-Town. My friend there really played it up
> for me so it was difficult to force myself to remember to think about the
> place as if I'd be living there.
>
> Its a very clean city, or at least it was where we were in the west loop
> and down to Navy Pier. In Boston even a tourist area like Navy Pier would
> never been cleaned and I don't think there are any urban areas as clean as
> the west loop. I also made my friend go on the subway which she doesn't
> normally do but again I wanted to know what it'd be like. Much cleaner than
> the T in Boston.
>
> I'm pretty well sold, theres a ton at the place I work now that pisses me
> off. I'm sure thats true everywhere but I'd love to tell this place to screw
> itself. The big question will be if they come through with enough money to
> allow me to keep my un-sellable house and afford a decent apartment in
> Chicago.
>
> For the Chi-Town resident listers I didn't get to meet I'll catch you next
> time, this was a super quick trip. I didn't even take time off from work,
> rolled into Chicago, worked from my friend's apartment all day, interviewed
> Friday, did a little sight-seeing Saturday and home Saturday afternoon...
>
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Peter Hertzing]

As a Hospital I can attest that we are required to be able to run on
generator power only, at 80% load for 72 hours.That - my friends - is alot
of diesel fuel.  We have two fo these and we actually have the ability to
run all of the required equipment for 5 days and stuff thats not required on
a seperate generator - such as Air conditioning for about 72 hours.

Peter

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Actually, some do.
>
> Hospitals and government buildings are required by code to have a minimum
> amount of fuel on site based on full load consumption over a fixed period of
> time.
>
> I saw plenty of places in my day that had large fuel supplies, mainly
> because the tanks were cheap at the time of construction or the specifying
> engineer though that "more must be better!"
>
> The major problem with large volumes of diesel is keeping it stable over
> long periods of time.
>
> If you think getting algae in your MB tank is a mess, try the same in a
> 10,000 gallon tank.
>
> It spreads rapidly, and in a matter of days will destroy the system and do
> some major damage to the fuel system if it isn't caught and remediated
> before running the unit.
>
> Not a pretty sight to see, and VERY expensive to fix.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:05 PM, "Dan Penoff" 
> wrote:
> >
> >> The definition of standby service uses the phrase "for the duration of
> >> the outage."
> >>
> >> No time frame is specified.
> >
> > But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
> > on their standby generators to cover the case of the power being out
> > for a year.
> >
> > Allan
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[MBZ] Chi-town followup

[Curt Raymond]

So last Thursday I went to Chi-Town. My friend there really played it up for me 
so it was difficult to force myself to remember to think about the place as if 
I'd be living there.

Its a very clean city, or at least it was where we were in the west loop and 
down to Navy Pier. In Boston even a tourist area like Navy Pier would never 
been cleaned and I don't think there are any urban areas as clean as the west 
loop. I also made my friend go on the subway which she doesn't normally do but 
again I wanted to know what it'd be like. Much cleaner than the T in Boston.

I'm pretty well sold, theres a ton at the place I work now that pisses me off. 
I'm sure thats true everywhere but I'd love to tell this place to screw itself. 
The big question will be if they come through with enough money to allow me to 
keep my un-sellable house and afford a decent apartment in Chicago.

For the Chi-Town resident listers I didn't get to meet I'll catch you next 
time, this was a super quick trip. I didn't even take time off from work, 
rolled into Chicago, worked from my friend's apartment all day, interviewed 
Friday, did a little sight-seeing Saturday and home Saturday afternoon...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Dan Penoff]

Cold starting will be an issue with LP, but not natural gas.  If you have a 
relatively small tank (under 200 gallons) at the ambient temps you see in the 
winter, it will be tough, if not impossible, to get any vapor out of the tank.

An alternative would be a liquid withdrawal system, but they are far more 
complex and expensive, especially for air cooled systems.

Dan 

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 12/10/2011 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin  
>> wrote:
>>> Why not a diesel gen?
>> My thought too.  Used ones with plenty of life are all over eBay.  I
>> like the security of knowing that I have more than a snowball's chance
>> of fixing the gen if it breaks down---mine is a Shindaiwa that is
>> about as complicated as an OM616.
>> 
>> But you have to live in a place where it is legal to have a big tank
>> of diesel sitting around, and make sure that it's OK with your
>> homeowner's insurance.  I know mine (Safeco) is OK with "a reasonable
>> amount given what is typical for the location of the property," which
>> according to my agent means since I live in farm country I can have an
>> 80 gallon drum (since my neighbors all store that much or more to keep
>> their tractors going).
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>> 
> Diesel might have been ok as well but I just thought that LP or NG was even 
> more long term. With NG, I don't have to store it and with LP it is sealed 
> and thus not going to deteriorate over time like gasoline.
> 
> One other issue with diesel is starting in really cold weather.
> 
> Besides all that, the unit I bought just sort of appeared used on the local 
> Kijiji list one day. I had to drive a couple of hundred miles to get it but 
> that was no big deal. Left home about 5 AM if I recall and was back home mid 
> afternoon.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Dan Penoff]

Actually, some do.

Hospitals and government buildings are required by code to have a minimum 
amount of fuel on site based on full load consumption over a fixed period of 
time.

I saw plenty of places in my day that had large fuel supplies, mainly because 
the tanks were cheap at the time of construction or the specifying engineer 
though that "more must be better!"

The major problem with large volumes of diesel is keeping it stable over long 
periods of time.

If you think getting algae in your MB tank is a mess, try the same in a 10,000 
gallon tank.

It spreads rapidly, and in a matter of days will destroy the system and do some 
major damage to the fuel system if it isn't caught and remediated before 
running the unit.

Not a pretty sight to see, and VERY expensive to fix.

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:14 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:05 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> 
>> The definition of standby service uses the phrase "for the duration of
>> the outage."
>> 
>> No time frame is specified.
> 
> But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
> on their standby generators to cover the case of the power being out
> for a year.
> 
> Allan
> --
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> 1979 300SD
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> Probably an old air cooled Lister. Very durable,

And tons of fun to watch running with the valvetrain and everything
else out in the open!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=ldab20lhx3E

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head upgrade to #17

[Rich Thomas]

I don't know for sure, I thought that car you snagged the parts from was 
a gasser but maybe I am wrong.  I might be out that way in the next few 
days, if so I will stop in and check it out.  You ought to just buy the 
whole engine, probably get a better deal on it than picking parts.


--R

On 10/12/11 3:16 PM, Max wrote:

After we were there? Darn. I was tempted to get the power steering pump, so 
engine was there.


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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Dan Penoff]

Probably an old air cooled Lister. Very durable, lots of them
In third world countries.

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 3:33 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Oh man, back in the day I had the chance for a really old diesel gen. Single 
> cyl, I think it was rated at 25 or 30hp, the gen head I think was 10kw but 
> its been a long time.
> It had a badass kick start like on a motorcycle and ran really slow, like 
> 1200rpm. Was VERY quiet because it had 2 or 3 mufflers in line. The engine 
> rattled more than the exhaust. It'd been used for events and came on a wagon 
> with big rubber tires. You'd roll it where you wanted and then crank down 4 
> metal feet that lifted the whole wagon off the ground and if you didn't have 
> the pads in place would dig into the floor (!).
> 
> Company I worked for was getting rid of a bunch of them, could have had it 
> for $100. I didn't have anywhere to put it at the time.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:45:09 -0500
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Why not a diesel gen?
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Rich Thomas]

I knew this guy in Houston who lived in a small compound next to his 
brother and some other like-minded souls (and their women wore homemade 
clothes and such), who in anticipation of the Y2k Apocalypse, installed 
a large diesel generator with a coupla those big plastic tank/wire frame 
totes of diesel fuel.  I think they had 2000gal, in maybe 4 totes?  
Anyway, a few months after the nonpocalypse I went in Brunnhilde to his 
house to consult on some matter, and he tried to get me to buy a tote or 
two of diesel fuel to use in the car as they acknowledged the futility 
of the mission.


Aside from the logistical aspects of hauling these things to my house, 
then facing the domestic apocalypse of having them in the driveway or 
back yard for the next 5 years, I just wanted to get far away from the 
compound lest I be shanghaied into it in some dark fashion.


Those folks were truly creepy.

--R

On 10/12/11 3:14 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:05 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:


The definition of standby service uses the phrase "for the duration of
the outage."

No time frame is specified.

But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
on their standby generators to cover the case of the power being out
for a year.

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head upgrade to #17

[Max]

Peter, great info, thanks. I may end up going this route.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Peter Frederick  wrote:

The pre-chambers seat improperly, and the cure it so have them 
machined very slightly at the base of the large diameter to allow the 
top seal to work. A 45 degree cut about of about 0.050" usually does 
the trick, it's quite small, and it's much easier to do that than 
machine out the head.

Check by using some plasti-gauge on a used seal at the top -- if it 
doesn't squish all the way out, you need to cut the pre-chamber very 
slightly.

I suppose you could also make a tool to deepen the recess in the head 
as well -- again, it's just at the "corner" where the larger diameter 
starts to taped down to the small end of the pre-chamber.

It would be nice to get new injectors and pre-chambers, but that 
would probably cost more than the car is worth. It is necessary to 
use the inclined style injector on the inclined style pre-chambers, 
you cannot mix those types.

Peter

On Oct 12, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Max wrote:

> I could, but I'd need more special tools, and I fear that fitting 
> the old pre-chambers to the new head and getting a good seek might 
> be tough.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD
>
> Benz Hogs  wrote:
>
> Can you use the injectors, pre-chambers, and glow plugs from the donor
> head? That's what I did with my SDL and the #22 head.
>
> Luther KB5QHU Forest Park, IL
> '87 300SDL (317,xxx mi)
> '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
>
> On 10/11/2011 8:51 PM, Max Dillon wrote:
>> Dieselvolk,
>>
>>
>>
>> Ran into another roadblock, I'd forgotten that the upgraded heads 
>> have
>> inclined injection (different injectors, hard injection lines, 
>> glow plugs,
>> pre-chambers). So, I can go through the pain of swapping over my old
>> pre-chambers, one of which I've already buggered up, or I can call 
>> Rusty for
>> a new set of injectors and glow plugs, and bend my old lines to 
>> fit. I'm
>> leaning toward calling 800-741-5252. I DO remember reading several 
>> horror
>> stories about getting the pre-chamber depth correct and getting a 
>> good seal
>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone happen to have a set of used OM603.97x injectors taking up 
>> space?
>> Kaleb? I wonder if injectors from the later OM602 engines would fit.
>>
>>
>>
>> Very respectfully,
>> /s/
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD 337k miles (Headless Garage Queen)
>>
>> '95 E300 295k miles
>>
>> '73 Balboa 20
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Curt Raymond]

Oh man, back in the day I had the chance for a really old diesel gen. Single 
cyl, I think it was rated at 25 or 30hp, the gen head I think was 10kw but its 
been a long time.
It had a badass kick start like on a motorcycle and ran really slow, like 
1200rpm. Was VERY quiet because it had 2 or 3 mufflers in line. The engine 
rattled more than the exhaust. It'd been used for events and came on a wagon 
with big rubber tires. You'd roll it where you wanted and then crank down 4 
metal feet that lifted the whole wagon off the ground and if you didn't have 
the pads in place would dig into the floor (!).

Company I worked for was getting rid of a bunch of them, could have had it for 
$100. I didn't have anywhere to put it at the time.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:45:09 -0500
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Why not a diesel gen?

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Tim C]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:17 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:09 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Looking at the EPC that is my guess too.  Can they just start leaking?
>> >>  Or is it a sign of some other issue?
>> >
>> > Are you using the proper coolant (MB brand or Zerex G-05)?
>>
>> ...I am now.  Or, rather, was.  Now I'm using practically none. :/
>
> Meaning plain water?  That's really not good to have in there for any length 
> of time.  Particularly if it's deionized.

No, I was using Zerex.  All the coolant drained out of my block this
afternoon, though, so basically nothing is left.  Sorry, bad joke. ...

Thanks,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:17 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> > On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:09 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:
> >
> >> Looking at the EPC that is my guess too.  Can they just start leaking?
> >>  Or is it a sign of some other issue?
> >
> > Are you using the proper coolant (MB brand or Zerex G-05)?
> 
> ...I am now.  Or, rather, was.  Now I'm using practically none. :/

Meaning plain water?  That's really not good to have in there for any length of 
time.  Particularly if it's deionized.

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Max]

Do you have the IP locking tool?   I'm also slow, I'm thinking that R&R of IP 
would take me 4 hours or so.  There is a large O-ring between IP and block, and 
you'll need to remove the vacuum pump to get at the bolt holding the timer onto 
the IP.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD


>How much time would it take a normal hobbyist to R&R the IP from a
>603? (I figure it will take me double. :) Anything I need to know
>about before or after doing it?  Will I need to replace more than
>seals?
>


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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Tim C]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Allan Streib  wrote:
> On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:09 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:
>
>> Looking at the EPC that is my guess too.  Can they just start leaking?
>>  Or is it a sign of some other issue?
>
> Are you using the proper coolant (MB brand or Zerex G-05)?

...I am now.  Or, rather, was.  Now I'm using practically none. :/

I did a citric flush and fill over summer (from green).  I was going
to do another anyway to clean out any stray crud, so at least that is
a "wash".

Thanks all, I'm very relieved that it is sounding fixable.  I was
starting to think about selling Max the whole thing for parts. :)

Thanks,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head upgrade to #17

[Max]

After we were there? Darn. I was tempted to get the power steering pump, so 
engine was there.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Rich Thomas  wrote:

I vaguely recall the engine being pulled from that car.

-R

On 10/12/11 1:20 PM, Max wrote:
> Rich, do you suppose that '92 2.5 is still at that knackers? I might could 
> find 5 injectors there. Up for a trip?

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 3:05 PM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> The definition of standby service uses the phrase "for the duration of
> the outage."
>
> No time frame is specified.

But one is assumed... most people don't put 10,000 gallon fuel tanks
on their standby generators to cover the case of the power being out
for a year.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head upgrade to #17

[Max]

New as in "new to me". It is used, has pre-chambers, but I didn't get the 
injectors.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Benz Hogs  wrote:

OH, this is a new head, not a used one. Sorry, I missed that detail. 
Mine was used, and came everything still installed.

Luther KB5QHU Oak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 10/12/2011 7:29 AM, Max wrote:
> I could, but I'd need more special tools, and I fear that fitting the old 
> pre-chambers to the new head and getting a good seek might be tough.

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Randy Bennell]

On 12/10/2011 1:58 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:

Why not a diesel gen?

My thought too.  Used ones with plenty of life are all over eBay.  I
like the security of knowing that I have more than a snowball's chance
of fixing the gen if it breaks down---mine is a Shindaiwa that is
about as complicated as an OM616.

But you have to live in a place where it is legal to have a big tank
of diesel sitting around, and make sure that it's OK with your
homeowner's insurance.  I know mine (Safeco) is OK with "a reasonable
amount given what is typical for the location of the property," which
according to my agent means since I live in farm country I can have an
80 gallon drum (since my neighbors all store that much or more to keep
their tractors going).

Alex


Diesel might have been ok as well but I just thought that LP or NG was 
even more long term. With NG, I don't have to store it and with LP it is 
sealed and thus not going to deteriorate over time like gasoline.


One other issue with diesel is starting in really cold weather.

Besides all that, the unit I bought just sort of appeared used on the 
local Kijiji list one day. I had to drive a couple of hundred miles to 
get it but that was no big deal. Left home about 5 AM if I recall and 
was back home mid afternoon.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Dan Penoff]

The definition of standby service uses the phrase "for the duration of the 
outage."

No time frame is specified.

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:54 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:29 AM, "Greg Fiorentino" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> I was thinking the same when I saw the post about conversion to NG.  I
>> recalled the failure of the generators in New Orleans during Katrina.
>> I agree that you are better off being self-sufficient in anticipation
>> of an emergency.
> 
> Very few standby generators are set up to handle a long-term outage with
> no fuel replenishment.  Their purpose is to keep critical systems
> running for the duration of "reasonable" power outages.  If you want
> coverage beyond that, things start getting expensive (large fuel tanks
> and the investment of thousands of dollars to fill them).  Not
> reasonable or even permissible in most residential cases.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head upgrade to #17

[Rich Thomas]

I vaguely recall the engine being pulled from that car.

-R

On 10/12/11 1:20 PM, Max wrote:

Rich, do you suppose that '92 2.5 is still at that knackers? I might could find 
5 injectors there. Up for a trip?


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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> Why not a diesel gen?

My thought too.  Used ones with plenty of life are all over eBay.  I
like the security of knowing that I have more than a snowball's chance
of fixing the gen if it breaks down---mine is a Shindaiwa that is
about as complicated as an OM616.

But you have to live in a place where it is legal to have a big tank
of diesel sitting around, and make sure that it's OK with your
homeowner's insurance.  I know mine (Safeco) is OK with "a reasonable
amount given what is typical for the location of the property," which
according to my agent means since I live in farm country I can have an
80 gallon drum (since my neighbors all store that much or more to keep
their tractors going).

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] Activity

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Isn't lowminster where they make joint compound.

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:10 PM, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

All these years I was thinking "Lowminster" although I never actually spoke
the name.  The home of Bobby Leo, IIRC.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

Pronounced "Limminsta"

--R


On 10/12/11 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I frequently drive through Leominster, MA which is the hometown of Johnny
Appleseed...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:55:40 -0400
From: Rich 
Thomas

To: Mercedes Discussion List
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Message-ID:<4E94F39C.6020405@**constructivity.net<4e94f39c.6020...@constructivity.net>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Johnny Appleseed was buried in my home town of Ft Wayne IN.  Kind of a
ratty little small park with his gravestone and a metal fence around
it.  Used to go there and have a pop or two in his memory.

"I knew Johnny Appleseed, and you sir are no Johnny Appleseed!"

--R

On 10/11/11 9:26 PM, Fred Moir wrote:

Johnny Senna Pod?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 10/11/2011 8:25 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

Whatever topic I raise, conversation does seem to flow freely.  I
like to think of myself as the Johnny Appleseed of this list.

Andrew

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:29 AM, "Greg Fiorentino" 
 wrote:

> I was thinking the same when I saw the post about conversion to NG.  I
> recalled the failure of the generators in New Orleans during Katrina.
> I agree that you are better off being self-sufficient in anticipation
> of an emergency.

Very few standby generators are set up to handle a long-term outage with
no fuel replenishment.  Their purpose is to keep critical systems
running for the duration of "reasonable" power outages.  If you want
coverage beyond that, things start getting expensive (large fuel tanks
and the investment of thousands of dollars to fill them).  Not
reasonable or even permissible in most residential cases.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Ot-restore old Benz

[Rich Thomas]

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On 10/5/11 2:18 PM, Clay wrote:

Mercedes Motoring -  Gallery

http://www.stumbleupon.com/to/s/2emIIG


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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Why not a diesel gen?

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 1:34 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Eh?
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator
> 
> 
>> Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the potential 
>> for interruption.
>> 
>> Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry about 
>> (aboot?) it.
>> 
>> Dan, eh
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/10/2011 7:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most 
 municipalities, with the exception of areas covered by earthquake codes, 
 such as California.
 
 That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a 
 dedicated source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more output (kW) 
 from the generator.
 
 I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. Big 
 up-front expense, but at least you don't have to worry about fuel spoilage.
 
 Dan
 
 
>>> 
>>> I can understand and agree but I am in the city on a small lot and do not 
>>> really have room for much of a tank. About the best I might be able to do 
>>> is what I call a "pig".
>>> 
>>> I have considered getting a couple of 100# tanks but that would not give me 
>>> a whole lot of time based upon the consumption figures I read in my manual. 
>>> Cannot recall but it was prettty hefty in my recollection.
>>> 
>>> However, as I said before, in most cases, if the gas was out along with the 
>>> electricity, I would be in trouble anyway as the house is heated with gas.
>>> 
>>> I would love to have a woodstove as backup but again, the lot area does not 
>>> permit much storage of firewood. Also, insurance companies are not fond of 
>>> wood stoves and that would pose a problem.
>>> My house is also not really set up to easily install one. The house is a 2 
>>> storey and the ideal spot would be in the basement so the cost of a chimney 
>>> would be substantial. The other alternative might be the living room but 
>>> the space is a problem as fire regulationgs require them to be a distance 
>>> away from the wall etc. I could live with it but one would never convince 
>>> my good wife that it was necessary or even remotely a good idea.
>>> 
>>> So, for me, the most sense is to tap into the NG line and have the genset 
>>> mostly ready to go. I don't know if I will ever go the full way to a 
>>> generator panel etc. I think, unless we start suffering power outages that 
>>> are common and longer lasting, I can be reasonably happy with some plug ins 
>>> and heavy duty cords. I can always dismantle some of the electrical boxes 
>>> and tap in temporarily for things like the furnace.
>>> 
>>> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[WILTON]

Yep, and one is no more right nor better than the other.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator



Sort of a Canadian version of Y'all or something like that.

IE - in Atlanta, you might say " how ya doin, y'all?"

In Toronto, you would say "how ya doin, eh?"

Randy


On 12/10/2011 1:34 PM, WILTON wrote:

Eh?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator


Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the 
potential for interruption.


Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry about 
(aboot?) it.


Dan, eh

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 12/10/2011 7:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most 
municipalities, with the exception of areas covered by earthquake 
codes, such as California.


That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a 
dedicated source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more output 
(kW) from the generator.


I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. Big 
up-front expense, but at least you don't have to worry about fuel 
spoilage.


Dan




I can understand and agree but I am in the city on a small lot and do 
not really have room for much of a tank. About the best I might be able 
to do is what I call a "pig".


I have considered getting a couple of 100# tanks but that would not 
give me a whole lot of time based upon the consumption figures I read 
in my manual. Cannot recall but it was prettty hefty in my 
recollection.


However, as I said before, in most cases, if the gas was out along with 
the electricity, I would be in trouble anyway as the house is heated 
with gas.


I would love to have a woodstove as backup but again, the lot area does 
not permit much storage of firewood. Also, insurance companies are not 
fond of wood stoves and that would pose a problem.
My house is also not really set up to easily install one. The house is 
a 2 storey and the ideal spot would be in the basement so the cost of a 
chimney would be substantial. The other alternative might be the living 
room but the space is a problem as fire regulationgs require them to be 
a distance away from the wall etc. I could live with it but one would 
never convince my good wife that it was necessary or even remotely a 
good idea.


So, for me, the most sense is to tap into the NG line and have the 
genset mostly ready to go. I don't know if I will ever go the full way 
to a generator panel etc. I think, unless we start suffering power 
outages that are common and longer lasting, I can be reasonably happy 
with some plug ins and heavy duty cords. I can always dismantle some of 
the electrical boxes and tap in temporarily for things like the 
furnace.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Those rubber plugs are for freeze plugs, I used one once on a 240d and it 
worked fine. Don't know about doing it on a permanent basis though

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> Oops, I think the rubber plugs are for household plumbing, or very temporary 
> emergency use.
> Here's the no hammer permanent fix:
> http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/cooling/cool_105a.htm
> 
> 
> Mitch Haley wrote:
>> I've seen rubber plugs that you tighten a screw to make them expand in the 
>> hole, but I don't know if I'd use one for a block or head plug.
>> Mitch.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Randy Bennell]

Sort of a Canadian version of Y'all or something like that.

IE - in Atlanta, you might say " how ya doin, y'all?"

In Toronto, you would say "how ya doin, eh?"

Randy


On 12/10/2011 1:34 PM, WILTON wrote:

Eh?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator


Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the 
potential for interruption.


Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry 
about (aboot?) it.


Dan, eh

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 12/10/2011 7:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most 
municipalities, with the exception of areas covered by earthquake 
codes, such as California.


That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's 
a dedicated source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more 
output (kW) from the generator.


I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. 
Big up-front expense, but at least you don't have to worry about 
fuel spoilage.


Dan




I can understand and agree but I am in the city on a small lot and 
do not really have room for much of a tank. About the best I might 
be able to do is what I call a "pig".


I have considered getting a couple of 100# tanks but that would not 
give me a whole lot of time based upon the consumption figures I 
read in my manual. Cannot recall but it was prettty hefty in my 
recollection.


However, as I said before, in most cases, if the gas was out along 
with the electricity, I would be in trouble anyway as the house is 
heated with gas.


I would love to have a woodstove as backup but again, the lot area 
does not permit much storage of firewood. Also, insurance companies 
are not fond of wood stoves and that would pose a problem.
My house is also not really set up to easily install one. The house 
is a 2 storey and the ideal spot would be in the basement so the 
cost of a chimney would be substantial. The other alternative might 
be the living room but the space is a problem as fire regulationgs 
require them to be a distance away from the wall etc. I could live 
with it but one would never convince my good wife that it was 
necessary or even remotely a good idea.


So, for me, the most sense is to tap into the NG line and have the 
genset mostly ready to go. I don't know if I will ever go the full 
way to a generator panel etc. I think, unless we start suffering 
power outages that are common and longer lasting, I can be 
reasonably happy with some plug ins and heavy duty cords. I can 
always dismantle some of the electrical boxes and tap in temporarily 
for things like the furnace.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[WILTON]

Eh?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator


Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the 
potential for interruption.


Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry about 
(aboot?) it.


Dan, eh

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:


On 12/10/2011 7:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most 
municipalities, with the exception of areas covered by earthquake codes, 
such as California.


That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a 
dedicated source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more output 
(kW) from the generator.


I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. Big 
up-front expense, but at least you don't have to worry about fuel 
spoilage.


Dan




I can understand and agree but I am in the city on a small lot and do not 
really have room for much of a tank. About the best I might be able to do 
is what I call a "pig".


I have considered getting a couple of 100# tanks but that would not give 
me a whole lot of time based upon the consumption figures I read in my 
manual. Cannot recall but it was prettty hefty in my recollection.


However, as I said before, in most cases, if the gas was out along with 
the electricity, I would be in trouble anyway as the house is heated with 
gas.


I would love to have a woodstove as backup but again, the lot area does 
not permit much storage of firewood. Also, insurance companies are not 
fond of wood stoves and that would pose a problem.
My house is also not really set up to easily install one. The house is a 
2 storey and the ideal spot would be in the basement so the cost of a 
chimney would be substantial. The other alternative might be the living 
room but the space is a problem as fire regulationgs require them to be a 
distance away from the wall etc. I could live with it but one would never 
convince my good wife that it was necessary or even remotely a good idea.


So, for me, the most sense is to tap into the NG line and have the genset 
mostly ready to go. I don't know if I will ever go the full way to a 
generator panel etc. I think, unless we start suffering power outages 
that are common and longer lasting, I can be reasonably happy with some 
plug ins and heavy duty cords. I can always dismantle some of the 
electrical boxes and tap in temporarily for things like the furnace.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Dan Penoff]

Freeze plug replacement. Common and fairly safe.

Sounds like the issue here is access.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> I've seen rubber plugs that you tighten a screw to make them expand in the 
> hole, but I don't know if I'd use one for a block or head plug.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Randy Bennell]

How much space is there? Could you wiggle in a block heater?

They generally slip in and then there is bolt to tighten - at least on 
non MB units.


Randy


On 12/10/2011 1:09 PM, Tim C wrote:

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

Check for a corroded and leaking core plug.

Looking at the EPC that is my guess too.  Can they just start leaking?
  Or is it a sign of some other issue?

It looks like the only way to get to it is to take off the IP.  I can
see the leak, even get a probing stick onto the port, but it is way
too tight in there to be able to manipulate much.  If I have the car
or engine lifted up will it be more accessible?  Is there some kind of
plug I could use that you don't have to hammer in?

How much time would it take a normal hobbyist to R&R the IP from a
603? (I figure it will take me double. :) Anything I need to know
about before or after doing it?  Will I need to replace more than
seals?

Any idea how much it might be to shop it out?  Labor rate is pushing
$90/hr., but I know of one fellow who supposedly is pretty good.

Since the heat doesn't work in the 300D - and I'm not sure the carseat
will fit very nicely - I'd really like to get this fixed.  If it
doesn't take more than a couple days I can work on it over the
weekend.

Thanks for any clues,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Dan Penoff]

Actually, you can do what is known as "automatic changeover" with a simple 
relay, a pressure switch and another solenoid valve.

It would take me an hour to tap this out on my iPhone, so I will defer it to 
after working hours when am at home with a "real" computer.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 12/10/2011 1:12 PM, G Mann wrote:
>> Why not do both NG and Propane?  Plumb into the NG source and also pipe into
>> a "reserve fuel tank" of Propane.  If my information is correct, you should
>> be able to switch fuels without major change to the "carb" of the genset.
>> 
>> That way you have a "back up to your back up" when the earthquake breaks the
>> NG lines and that supply goes away. Switch a couple ball valves to reset to
>> Propane and run off your own supply.
>> {all presuming your local city codes will allow you to have a propane tank
>> in your yard}
>> 
>> "Trust everybody,,, but always cut the cards"
>> Grant...
>> AZ...
>> 
>> 
> An interesting idea. Would that work Dan?
> 
> I do have a backup to the backup so long as I keep the gasoline powered unit 
> that i bought first. That is likely given I will never get my money back on 
> it.
> One of the problems with buying something new.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Mitch Haley]

Oops, I think the rubber plugs are for household plumbing, or very temporary 
emergency use.

Here's the no hammer permanent fix:
http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/cooling/cool_105a.htm


Mitch Haley wrote:
I've seen rubber plugs that you tighten a screw to make them expand in 
the hole, but I don't know if I'd use one for a block or head plug.


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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Greg Fiorentino]

I was thinking the same when I saw the post about conversion to NG.  I
recalled the failure of the generators in New Orleans during Katrina.  I
agree that you are better off being self-sufficient in anticipation of an
emergency.

Greg

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On Behalf Of Michael Canfield
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:46 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

  For a backup unit I would not convert to a fuel that will be shut off
during a disaster.  With a propane tank you at least have until it runs out,
with NG you get nothing when the worst happens and the supply is shut off.

Mike
On Oct 11, 2011 11:32 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

> Happy to hear that Dan. I have really done nothing more than haul it home
> so far. Need to take a closer look at it and see if the motor runs.
>
> Thinking I will likely convert to NG as that won't require storage tanks
> but I understand that will knock it down to 8Kw.
>
> I also have a Generac unit that I bought before this one. I pulled it out
> of the shed on Sunday for the first time in a year or more and it fired up
> immediately. The newer gas engines do seem to be much better than the old
> ones were.
> The reason for buying the Winco was the fact that it was propane fueled as
> I figured it could sit much longer without being concerned about the
> deterioration of the fuel. However, it is pretty hard on fuel as I
> understand from reading the manuals. Thus the desire to switch it to NG as
> we have NG at the house.
>
> Do you know anything much about the conversion? I assume it is just a
> matter of swapping jets in the carb.
>
> Randy
>
>
> On 07/10/2011 5:03 PM, LWB250 wrote:
>
>> Wincos are great units.  Very sturdy and basic, sort of a 240D of the
>> small generator business.  Lots of them out there still in service.
>>
>>  From what you described I figured it was a Winco
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> __**__
>> From: Randy Bennell
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 5:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator
>>
>> Blue and mounted.
>>
>> Winco from the 80's.
>>
>> Is that good or bad??
>>
>> Randy
>>
>>
>> On 07/10/2011 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>>
>>> Randy,
>>>
>>> What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer switch
>>> "loose" or mounted on the generator skid?
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell   wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 07/10/2011 3:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

> Thoughts on a fair price for this?
>
>
http://bloomington.craigslist.**org/tls/2637159029.html
>
> Allan
>
> __**_
>
>  I think I would want to see it before I made much of a guess on
price.
 Does it look like that or is it an old photo? Do I get to dismantle the
 wiring for the switch panel etc or has some hack already done it for
me?

 Apart from that, I normally  think most used items should not cost more
 than about half of what it might cost to buy a new one like it. Maybe
more
 if it looks to be exceptional and I can see it run etc.

 For what it is worth, I bought a 10Kw standby generator last year for
 $550. Older than that but not ancient. Twin cylinder Wisconsin engine -
 propane fueled. I am no expert on this sort of thing but includes the
auto
 switch over setup etc. IE - it is connected to line voltage, and if the
 power fails, it is supposed to start up on its own and run until the
power
 comes back on and shut itself off.
 No breaker panel etc with it.

 Randy



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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Randy Bennell]

On 12/10/2011 1:12 PM, G Mann wrote:

Why not do both NG and Propane?  Plumb into the NG source and also pipe into
a "reserve fuel tank" of Propane.  If my information is correct, you should
be able to switch fuels without major change to the "carb" of the genset.

That way you have a "back up to your back up" when the earthquake breaks the
NG lines and that supply goes away. Switch a couple ball valves to reset to
Propane and run off your own supply.
{all presuming your local city codes will allow you to have a propane tank
in your yard}

"Trust everybody,,, but always cut the cards"
Grant...
AZ...



An interesting idea. Would that work Dan?

I do have a backup to the backup so long as I keep the gasoline powered 
unit that i bought first. That is likely given I will never get my money 
back on it.

One of the problems with buying something new.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Fred Moir]

Alles.
If one has rotted through, probing with an icepick at the rest of them 
would be my recommendation.

If it blew out whole, it may be the only one
BTDT

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 10/12/2011 2:15 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:09 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:

   

Looking at the EPC that is my guess too.  Can they just start leaking?
  Or is it a sign of some other issue?
 

Are you using the proper coolant (MB brand or Zerex G-05)?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Mitch Haley]

I've seen rubber plugs that you tighten a screw to make them expand in the hole, 
but I don't know if I'd use one for a block or head plug.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:09 PM, "Tim C"  wrote:

> Looking at the EPC that is my guess too.  Can they just start leaking?
>  Or is it a sign of some other issue?

Are you using the proper coolant (MB brand or Zerex G-05)?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[G Mann]

Why not do both NG and Propane?  Plumb into the NG source and also pipe into
a "reserve fuel tank" of Propane.  If my information is correct, you should
be able to switch fuels without major change to the "carb" of the genset.

That way you have a "back up to your back up" when the earthquake breaks the
NG lines and that supply goes away. Switch a couple ball valves to reset to
Propane and run off your own supply.
{all presuming your local city codes will allow you to have a propane tank
in your yard}

"Trust everybody,,, but always cut the cards"
Grant...
AZ...

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most
> municipalities, with the exception of areas covered by earthquake codes,
> such as California.
>
> That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a
> dedicated source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more output (kW)
> from the generator.
>
> I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. Big
> up-front expense, but at least you don't have to worry about fuel spoilage.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 12, 2011, at 4:46 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
>
> >  For a backup unit I would not convert to a fuel that will be shut off
> > during a disaster.  With a propane tank you at least have until it runs
> out,
> > with NG you get nothing when the worst happens and the supply is shut
> off.
> >
> > Mike
> > On Oct 11, 2011 11:32 AM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
> >
> >> Happy to hear that Dan. I have really done nothing more than haul it
> home
> >> so far. Need to take a closer look at it and see if the motor runs.
> >>
> >> Thinking I will likely convert to NG as that won't require storage tanks
> >> but I understand that will knock it down to 8Kw.
> >>
> >> I also have a Generac unit that I bought before this one. I pulled it
> out
> >> of the shed on Sunday for the first time in a year or more and it fired
> up
> >> immediately. The newer gas engines do seem to be much better than the
> old
> >> ones were.
> >> The reason for buying the Winco was the fact that it was propane fueled
> as
> >> I figured it could sit much longer without being concerned about the
> >> deterioration of the fuel. However, it is pretty hard on fuel as I
> >> understand from reading the manuals. Thus the desire to switch it to NG
> as
> >> we have NG at the house.
> >>
> >> Do you know anything much about the conversion? I assume it is just a
> >> matter of swapping jets in the carb.
> >>
> >> Randy
> >>
> >>
> >> On 07/10/2011 5:03 PM, LWB250 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Wincos are great units.  Very sturdy and basic, sort of a 240D of the
> >>> small generator business.  Lots of them out there still in service.
> >>>
> >>> From what you described I figured it was a Winco
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> __**__
> >>> From: Randy Bennell
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> >>> Sent: Friday, October 7, 2011 5:07 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator
> >>>
> >>> Blue and mounted.
> >>>
> >>> Winco from the 80's.
> >>>
> >>> Is that good or bad??
> >>>
> >>> Randy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 07/10/2011 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> >>>
>  Randy,
> 
>  What color was the generator set you bought, and was the transfer
> switch
>  "loose" or mounted on the generator skid?
> 
>  Dan
> 
>  Sent from my iPhone
> 
>  On Oct 7, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Randy Bennell
> wrote:
> 
>  On 07/10/2011 3:18 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> >
> >> Thoughts on a fair price for this?
> >>
> >> http://bloomington.craigslist.**org/tls/2637159029.html<
> http://bloomington.craigslist.org/tls/2637159029.html>
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
> >> __**_
> >>
> >> I think I would want to see it before I made much of a guess on
> price.
> > Does it look like that or is it an old photo? Do I get to dismantle
> the
> > wiring for the switch panel etc or has some hack already done it for
> me?
> >
> > Apart from that, I normally  think most used items should not cost
> more
> > than about half of what it might cost to buy a new one like it. Maybe
> more
> > if it looks to be exceptional and I can see it run etc.
> >
> > For what it is worth, I bought a 10Kw standby generator last year for
> > $550. Older than that but not ancient. Twin cylinder Wisconsin engine
> -
> > propane fueled. I am no expert on this sort of thing but includes the
> auto
> > switch over setup etc. IE - it is connected to line voltage, and if
> the
> > power fails, it is supposed to start up on its own and run until the
> power
> > comes back on and shut itself off.
> > No breaker panel etc with it.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> >
> > _
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Tim C]

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:
> Check for a corroded and leaking core plug.

Looking at the EPC that is my guess too.  Can they just start leaking?
 Or is it a sign of some other issue?

It looks like the only way to get to it is to take off the IP.  I can
see the leak, even get a probing stick onto the port, but it is way
too tight in there to be able to manipulate much.  If I have the car
or engine lifted up will it be more accessible?  Is there some kind of
plug I could use that you don't have to hammer in?

How much time would it take a normal hobbyist to R&R the IP from a
603? (I figure it will take me double. :) Anything I need to know
about before or after doing it?  Will I need to replace more than
seals?

Any idea how much it might be to shop it out?  Labor rate is pushing
$90/hr., but I know of one fellow who supposedly is pretty good.

Since the heat doesn't work in the 300D - and I'm not sure the carseat
will fit very nicely - I'd really like to get this fixed.  If it
doesn't take more than a couple days I can work on it over the
weekend.

Thanks for any clues,
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Curt Raymond]

Our apartment had a gravity freezer. Normal size fridge with the freezer 
inside. Was fine for 2 people, would be too small for more. The freezer worked 
best in the center but was barely adequate.

It froze up a lot which was aggravating.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 11:43:35 -0400
From: "Allan Streib" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:33 AM, "Peter Frederick" 
 wrote:

> Gravity cooling fridges are limited to very small capacity ones (dorm
> fridges) and they provide very poor freezing capacity.

Had a gravity cooling fridge in an apartment I lived in years ago.
Looked like a traditional fridge (separate freezer compartment on top)
but there was also a small coil in the refrigerator compartment.
Defrosting every few weeks or months was the main annoyance; it was
quite old, but very quiet and reliable otherwise.  Freezer worked pretty
well as I recall, certainly enough to freeze ice cubes, etc.

For really cold freezer storage you are better off with a separate deep
freeze anyway.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:39 PM, "Rich Thomas" 
 wrote:

> Here ya go, everything you need to know!
>
> http://www.constructivity.net/rebuilding_a_79_300td.htm

Good timing I'm getting ready to do that on my W123 once I get the W116
on the road (and assuming I don't find anything else disastrously wrong
with it before then...)

Allan
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[Curt Raymond]

No and no.

Doesn't Rusty have the proper spring compressor for rent?

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:35:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

That's very kind of you but I think I should replace with new. Do you have the 
spring compressor? Have you done this before?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

C'mon out, my '83 240D still has all its springs, I'll make you a great deal. 
65 miles west of Boston, just off Rt2.
Car WILL be gone at the beginning of November.

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Activity

[Rich Thomas]

Same thing

--R

On 10/12/11 1:20 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Leminsta actually.

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:14:34 -0400
From: Rich Thomas
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Activity
Message-ID:<4e95a0ca.10...@constructivity.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Pronounced "Limminsta"

--R

On 10/12/11 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I frequently drive through Leominster, MA which is the hometown of Johnny 
Appleseed...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Peter Frederick]

Check for a corroded and leaking core plug.

Peter

On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Max wrote:


Sell me your head (with injectors)?
--  
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'95 E300, '87 300TD

Tim C  wrote:

For a couple days the '87 300SDL with the 22 head has had a water  
leak.
Today, I went to fill the reservoir and hear a stream of water out  
of the

block. (Full stream, about the volume of the inlet house.)

I tracked it down to a port hole of some kind about midway along  
the IP,

below maybe injector 3? Low on the block, so I don't think it's a head
gasket.

I hope there is some kind of plug that is missing / loose. Looks  
like a

bear to reach...

Open to suggestions.

Thanks,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head upgrade to #17

[Benz Hogs]

OH, this is a new head, not a used one.  Sorry, I missed that detail. 
Mine was used, and came everything still installed.


 Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
'87 300SDL (312,xxx mi)
'91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)

On 10/12/2011 7:29 AM, Max wrote:

I could, but I'd need more special tools, and I fear that fitting the old 
pre-chambers to the new head and getting a good seek might be tough.


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Re: [MBZ] Activity

[Curt Raymond]

Leminsta actually.

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 10:14:34 -0400
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Pronounced "Limminsta"

--R

On 10/12/11 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> I frequently drive through Leominster, MA which is the hometown of Johnny 
> Appleseed...
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 head upgrade to #17

[Max]

Rich, do you suppose that '92 2.5 is still at that knackers? I might could find 
5 injectors there. Up for a trip?
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Re: [MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Max]

Sell me your head (with injectors)?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Tim C  wrote:

For a couple days the '87 300SDL with the 22 head has had a water leak.
Today, I went to fill the reservoir and hear a stream of water out of the
block. (Full stream, about the volume of the inlet house.)

I tracked it down to a port hole of some kind about midway along the IP,
below maybe injector 3? Low on the block, so I don't think it's a head
gasket.

I hope there is some kind of plug that is missing / loose. Looks like a
bear to reach...

Open to suggestions.

Thanks,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Walt Zarnoch]

You should be able to buy another door shelf/bin for it, they must
sell them as replacements.

Walt

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Max  wrote:
> We just bought a new Samsung very similar to this about 18 months ago. Does a 
> really good job of evenly cooling the refrigerator side. The control panel 
> LED indicators started dying right after we got it, entire panel replaced 
> under warranty. No problems since, ice dispenser works well. Most 
> importantly, SWMBO loves it. I think it needs one more shelf in the door.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '95 E300, '87 300TD
>
> Rich Thomas  wrote:
>
> My 11 yr old Sears fridge ice maker is increasingly problematic, I think
> it is the heater in the ice tray (when it finishes freezing cubes, or
> rather rectangular sorts of things, it heats to release them) is not
> heating sufficiently or long enough, so that they get stuck halfway
> out. A bit of boiling water deals with that, but it is a PITA. I kinda
> like those Sammy fridges, for our new kitchen I'm sure I will be
> directed to acquire another, I kinda like this one as it is the biggest
> that will fit in a standard space (though I could make a bigger space).
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/refrigerators/RSG307AARS/XAA
>
> Bestbuy has them for a lot less than SRP and I am sure I could beat on
> Lowes or others for a better price when the time comes.
>
> --R
>
> On 10/12/11 10:37 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> I think this is the one we have. http://tinyurl.com/354sou3
>>
>> Yours is newer, so the issue we had with he cooling coils should be
>> non-existent. Just be SURE to get it leveled properly.
>> Sorry for stressing the level part, but it's actually quite important...
>>
>> Walt
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>>> I think it is.
>>>
>>> It's a "four door" model with the drawer in between the fridge and freezer. 
>>> Has the worthless display on the door over the ice/water dispenser.
>>>
>>> It's a beast, I know that. Doesn't get delivered until Saturday. Glad we 
>>> have double entry doors
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>>
 If it's a "twin cool" Samsung, make DARN SURE it's level!
 If not, when it's humid, you can have a nasty ice-up problem on the
 cooling coils in the back.
 That's fixable with a hair dryer and leveling the fridge.

 Great fridge other than that gotcha, the freezer keeps Vodka at -4F
 all day every day.

 Walt


 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
> We had a kitchen full of GE Profile appliances in our last house. While 
> most were good and trouble-free, the icemaker in the fridge was a PITA.
>
> The one reoccurring problem I had was the chrome plated auger in the 
> icemaker. When we moved in, it was pitted and rusted, something we 
> attributed to the place being unused for nearly two years prior to our 
> moving in.
>
> I ordered an OEM replacement and installed it.
>
> Within a month the replacement auger was rusted and pitted as well. Rust 
> particles would end up in our drinks as a result, too.
>
> I talked to GE, and since the appliance was out of warranty they pretty 
> well blew me off.
>
> New house has all new Maytag appliances the seller put in. We bought a 
> French door Samsung fridge because the side by side Maytag they have is 
> less than 20 cubic feet. The Samsung is a behemoth
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I happily ditched my ~30 yr old (came with the house) GE refr a couple 
>> of years ago and bought a kenmore with the condensor coils in the back 
>> (hard to find). So far, the icemaker in the kenmore has performed 
>> flawlessly, and is easy to turn on/off. The GE icemaker seldom worked.
>>
>> #1 Daughter bought a used GE side by side (maybe 2006 model), with ice 
>> and water in the door. It makes ice, but overfills the ice bin and jams 
>> the dispenser. It also refuses to dispense cubes, and always grinds the 
>> ice. When the ice bin is overfilled, the bin won't come out without 
>> taking out everything above it; both things stored and refrigerator 
>> parts. Really irritating.
>>
>> yeah, I actually have a few things from snears that delivered reasonable 
>> value! The refr was pricey for what it is, but no worse than anyone 
>> else's (Major US brands) No Chinee cheapos of the normal size when i was 
>> looking, but they are selling lots of washing machines and dryers in the 
>> US of Wallyland.
>>
>> I never trust anything with "General" in the name. Electric, motors etc.
>>
>> If you bought it form a local dealer, ask them to fix it. If it came 
>> from a big box, that is most likely futile. After the big bo

Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Dan Penoff]

Again, the only reason not to use natural gas would be due to the potential for 
interruption.

Since this is unlikely to happen where you live, I wouldn't worry about 
(aboot?) it.

Dan, eh

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

> On 12/10/2011 7:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most municipalities, 
>> with the exception of areas covered by earthquake codes, such as California.
>> 
>> That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a 
>> dedicated source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more output (kW) 
>> from the generator.
>> 
>> I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. Big 
>> up-front expense, but at least you don't have to worry about fuel spoilage.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
> 
> I can understand and agree but I am in the city on a small lot and do not 
> really have room for much of a tank. About the best I might be able to do is 
> what I call a "pig".
> 
> I have considered getting a couple of 100# tanks but that would not give me a 
> whole lot of time based upon the consumption figures I read in my manual. 
> Cannot recall but it was prettty hefty in my recollection.
> 
> However, as I said before, in most cases, if the gas was out along with the 
> electricity, I would be in trouble anyway as the house is heated with gas.
> 
> I would love to have a woodstove as backup but again, the lot area does not 
> permit much storage of firewood. Also, insurance companies are not fond of 
> wood stoves and that would pose a problem.
> My house is also not really set up to easily install one. The house is a 2 
> storey and the ideal spot would be in the basement so the cost of a chimney 
> would be substantial. The other alternative might be the living room but the 
> space is a problem as fire regulationgs require them to be a distance away 
> from the wall etc. I could live with it but one would never convince my good 
> wife that it was necessary or even remotely a good idea.
> 
> So, for me, the most sense is to tap into the NG line and have the genset 
> mostly ready to go. I don't know if I will ever go the full way to a 
> generator panel etc. I think, unless we start suffering power outages that 
> are common and longer lasting, I can be reasonably happy with some plug ins 
> and heavy duty cords. I can always dismantle some of the electrical boxes and 
> tap in temporarily for things like the furnace.
> 
> Randy
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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Max]

We just bought a new Samsung very similar to this about 18 months ago. Does a 
really good job of evenly cooling the refrigerator side. The control panel LED 
indicators started dying right after we got it, entire panel replaced under 
warranty. No problems since, ice dispenser works well. Most importantly, SWMBO 
loves it. I think it needs one more shelf in the door.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Rich Thomas  wrote:

My 11 yr old Sears fridge ice maker is increasingly problematic, I think 
it is the heater in the ice tray (when it finishes freezing cubes, or 
rather rectangular sorts of things, it heats to release them) is not 
heating sufficiently or long enough, so that they get stuck halfway 
out. A bit of boiling water deals with that, but it is a PITA. I kinda 
like those Sammy fridges, for our new kitchen I'm sure I will be 
directed to acquire another, I kinda like this one as it is the biggest 
that will fit in a standard space (though I could make a bigger space). 
http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/refrigerators/RSG307AARS/XAA

Bestbuy has them for a lot less than SRP and I am sure I could beat on 
Lowes or others for a better price when the time comes.

--R

On 10/12/11 10:37 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> I think this is the one we have. http://tinyurl.com/354sou3
>
> Yours is newer, so the issue we had with he cooling coils should be
> non-existent. Just be SURE to get it leveled properly.
> Sorry for stressing the level part, but it's actually quite important...
>
> Walt
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>> I think it is.
>>
>> It's a "four door" model with the drawer in between the fridge and freezer. 
>> Has the worthless display on the door over the ice/water dispenser.
>>
>> It's a beast, I know that. Doesn't get delivered until Saturday. Glad we 
>> have double entry doors
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>
>>> If it's a "twin cool" Samsung, make DARN SURE it's level!
>>> If not, when it's humid, you can have a nasty ice-up problem on the
>>> cooling coils in the back.
>>> That's fixable with a hair dryer and leveling the fridge.
>>>
>>> Great fridge other than that gotcha, the freezer keeps Vodka at -4F
>>> all day every day.
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:
 We had a kitchen full of GE Profile appliances in our last house. While 
 most were good and trouble-free, the icemaker in the fridge was a PITA.

 The one reoccurring problem I had was the chrome plated auger in the 
 icemaker. When we moved in, it was pitted and rusted, something we 
 attributed to the place being unused for nearly two years prior to our 
 moving in.

 I ordered an OEM replacement and installed it.

 Within a month the replacement auger was rusted and pitted as well. Rust 
 particles would end up in our drinks as a result, too.

 I talked to GE, and since the appliance was out of warranty they pretty 
 well blew me off.

 New house has all new Maytag appliances the seller put in. We bought a 
 French door Samsung fridge because the side by side Maytag they have is 
 less than 20 cubic feet. The Samsung is a behemoth

 Dan

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I happily ditched my ~30 yr old (came with the house) GE refr a couple of 
> years ago and bought a kenmore with the condensor coils in the back (hard 
> to find). So far, the icemaker in the kenmore has performed flawlessly, 
> and is easy to turn on/off. The GE icemaker seldom worked.
>
> #1 Daughter bought a used GE side by side (maybe 2006 model), with ice 
> and water in the door. It makes ice, but overfills the ice bin and jams 
> the dispenser. It also refuses to dispense cubes, and always grinds the 
> ice. When the ice bin is overfilled, the bin won't come out without 
> taking out everything above it; both things stored and refrigerator 
> parts. Really irritating.
>
> yeah, I actually have a few things from snears that delivered reasonable 
> value! The refr was pricey for what it is, but no worse than anyone 
> else's (Major US brands) No Chinee cheapos of the normal size when i was 
> looking, but they are selling lots of washing machines and dryers in the 
> US of Wallyland.
>
> I never trust anything with "General" in the name. Electric, motors etc.
>
> If you bought it form a local dealer, ask them to fix it. If it came from 
> a big box, that is most likely futile. After the big box turns you down, 
> see if you can get the local tv station to display the problem. That 
> might embarrass the store into providing a cure.
>
> When I look for a new refr, I look for one with the coils in the back, 
> because they are much less like

Re: [MBZ] Activity

[andrew strasfogel]

All these years I was thinking "Lowminster" although I never actually spoke
the name.  The home of Bobby Leo, IIRC.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Pronounced "Limminsta"
>
> --R
>
>
> On 10/12/11 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> I frequently drive through Leominster, MA which is the hometown of Johnny
>> Appleseed...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:55:40 -0400
>> From: Rich 
>> Thomas
>> >
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Activity
>> Message-ID:<4E94F39C.6020405@**constructivity.net<4e94f39c.6020...@constructivity.net>
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Johnny Appleseed was buried in my home town of Ft Wayne IN.  Kind of a
>> ratty little small park with his gravestone and a metal fence around
>> it.  Used to go there and have a pop or two in his memory.
>>
>> "I knew Johnny Appleseed, and you sir are no Johnny Appleseed!"
>>
>> --R
>>
>> On 10/11/11 9:26 PM, Fred Moir wrote:
>>
>>> Johnny Senna Pod?
>>>
>>> Fred Moir
>>> Lynn MA
>>> Diesel preferred
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/11/2011 8:25 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Whatever topic I raise, conversation does seem to flow freely.  I
 like to think of myself as the Johnny Appleseed of this list.

 Andrew

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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Dan Penoff]

This was a closeout at HH Gregg, a regional big box store. Listed for $3200, 
got it for around $1900 with a five year warranty (they had a three year 
warranty built into the selling price  which we bumped to five for another $80.)

Certainly more than I wanted to pay, but to be honest, after shopping 
aggressively for appliances, you don't get much for a fridge under about 
$1500-$1800 these days.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Rich Thomas 
 wrote:

> My 11 yr old Sears fridge ice maker is increasingly problematic, I think it 
> is the heater in the ice tray (when it finishes freezing cubes, or rather 
> rectangular sorts of things, it heats to release them) is not heating 
> sufficiently or long enough, so that they get stuck halfway out.  A bit of 
> boiling water deals with that, but it is a PITA.  I kinda like those Sammy 
> fridges, for our new kitchen I'm sure I will be directed to acquire another, 
> I kinda like this one as it is the biggest that will fit in a standard space 
> (though I could make a bigger space).  
> http://www.samsung.com/us/appliances/refrigerators/RSG307AARS/XAA
> 
> Bestbuy has them for a lot less than SRP and I am sure I could beat on Lowes 
> or others for a better price when the time comes.
> 
> --R
> 
> On 10/12/11 10:37 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>> I think this is the one we have. http://tinyurl.com/354sou3
>> 
>> Yours is newer, so the issue we had with he cooling coils should be
>> non-existent. Just be SURE to get it leveled properly.
>> Sorry for stressing the level part, but it's actually quite important...
>> 
>> Walt
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>>> I think it is.
>>> 
>>> It's a "four door" model with the drawer in between the fridge and freezer. 
>>> Has the worthless display on the door over the ice/water dispenser.
>>> 
>>> It's a beast, I know that. Doesn't get delivered until Saturday. Glad we 
>>> have double entry doors
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>>> 
 If it's a "twin cool" Samsung, make DARN SURE it's level!
 If not, when it's humid, you can have a nasty ice-up problem on the
 cooling coils in the back.
 That's fixable with a hair dryer and leveling the fridge.
 
 Great fridge other than that gotcha, the freezer keeps Vodka at -4F
 all day every day.
 
 Walt
 
 
 On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> We had a kitchen full of GE Profile appliances in our last house. While 
> most were good and trouble-free, the icemaker in the fridge was a PITA.
> 
> The one reoccurring problem I had was the chrome plated auger in the 
> icemaker. When we moved in, it was pitted and rusted, something we 
> attributed to the place being unused for nearly two years prior to our 
> moving in.
> 
> I ordered an OEM replacement and installed it.
> 
> Within a month the replacement auger was rusted and pitted as well. Rust 
> particles would end up in our drinks as a result, too.
> 
> I talked to GE, and since the appliance was out of warranty they pretty 
> well blew me off.
> 
> New house has all new Maytag appliances the seller put in. We bought a 
> French door Samsung fridge because the side by side Maytag they have is 
> less than 20 cubic feet. The Samsung is a behemoth
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Dieselhead<126die...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
>> I happily ditched my ~30 yr old (came with the house) GE refr a couple 
>> of years ago and bought a kenmore with the condensor coils in the back 
>> (hard to find).  So far, the icemaker in the kenmore has performed 
>> flawlessly, and is easy to turn on/off.  The GE icemaker seldom worked.
>> 
>> #1 Daughter  bought a used GE side by side (maybe 2006 model), with ice 
>> and water in the door.  It makes ice, but overfills the ice bin and jams 
>> the dispenser.  It also refuses to dispense cubes, and always grinds the 
>> ice.  When the ice bin is overfilled, the bin won't come out without 
>> taking out everything above it; both things stored and refrigerator 
>> parts.  Really irritating.
>> 
>> yeah, I actually have a few things from snears that delivered reasonable 
>> value!  The refr was pricey for what it is, but no worse than anyone 
>> else's (Major US brands)   No Chinee cheapos of the normal size when i 
>> was looking, but they are selling lots of washing machines and dryers in 
>> the US of Wallyland.
>> 
>> I never trust anything with "General" in the name.  Electric, motors etc.
>> 
>> If you bought it form a local dealer, ask them to fix it.  If it came 
>> from a big box, that is most likely futile.  After the big box turns you 
>> down, see if you can get the local tv station to

Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[Rich Thomas]

Here ya go, everything you need to know!

http://www.constructivity.net/rebuilding_a_79_300td.htm

--R

On 10/12/11 11:34 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Front. Yes I can see their potential energy ready to be directed at my face! I 
might try to find a friend who has done this before to help me out. I also need 
to do a front end rebuild so I might as well tackle all at once.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Max  wrote:

Front or rear? Careful on the front springs, rear are much easier and don't 
require the tool.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Dan Penoff]

The sales guy we bought our fridge from was saying that the French door style 
fridges are pretty much going to be all you can get in the next few years.

Side by sides and top freezers are going away for the most part, according to 
him.

Based on what we saw when we were shopping, there appears to be a fair amount 
of truth in what he said. We originally wanted a side by side, and the pickin's 
were slim in the range we were shopping in.

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> Why a top freezer? I mean, I like top freezers fine don't get me wrong but I 
>> was under the impression that bottom freezers are more > efficient.
> 
> Cold sinks.  Bottom freezers use a fan to blow cold air up to
> the 'fridge compartment.  Or at least some do.  One more moving
> part to fail...
> 
> At time of purchase I looked at the CR type reports on energy
> efficiency and durability.  Traditional won hands-down, and was
> also the cheapest.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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[MBZ] Bad day for the SDL

[Tim C]

For a couple days the '87 300SDL with the 22 head has had a water leak.
Today, I went to fill the reservoir and hear a stream of water out of the
block. (Full stream, about the volume of the inlet house.)

I tracked it down to a port hole of some kind about midway along the IP,
below maybe injector 3?  Low on the block, so I don't think it's a head
gasket.

I hope there is some kind of plug that is missing / loose.  Looks like a
bear to reach...

Open to suggestions.

Thanks,
Tim
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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Randy Bennell]

On 12/10/2011 7:49 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Actually, NG is considered an acceptable fuel source in most municipalities, 
with the exception of areas covered by earthquake codes, such as California.

That being said, given the choice I would stuck with LP since it's a dedicated 
source and has a higher BTU content, giving you more output (kW) from the 
generator.

I would also get a tank that has at least a week's fuel capacity. Big up-front 
expense, but at least you don't have to worry about fuel spoilage.

Dan




I can understand and agree but I am in the city on a small lot and do 
not really have room for much of a tank. About the best I might be able 
to do is what I call a "pig".


I have considered getting a couple of 100# tanks but that would not give 
me a whole lot of time based upon the consumption figures I read in my 
manual. Cannot recall but it was prettty hefty in my recollection.


However, as I said before, in most cases, if the gas was out along with 
the electricity, I would be in trouble anyway as the house is heated 
with gas.


I would love to have a woodstove as backup but again, the lot area does 
not permit much storage of firewood. Also, insurance companies are not 
fond of wood stoves and that would pose a problem.
My house is also not really set up to easily install one. The house is a 
2 storey and the ideal spot would be in the basement so the cost of a 
chimney would be substantial. The other alternative might be the living 
room but the space is a problem as fire regulationgs require them to be 
a distance away from the wall etc. I could live with it but one would 
never convince my good wife that it was necessary or even remotely a 
good idea.


So, for me, the most sense is to tap into the NG line and have the 
genset mostly ready to go. I don't know if I will ever go the full way 
to a generator panel etc. I think, unless we start suffering power 
outages that are common and longer lasting, I can be reasonably happy 
with some plug ins and heavy duty cords. I can always dismantle some of 
the electrical boxes and tap in temporarily for things like the furnace.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Randy Bennell]

On 12/10/2011 3:46 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

   For a backup unit I would not convert to a fuel that will be shut off
during a disaster.  With a propane tank you at least have until it runs out,
with NG you get nothing when the worst happens and the supply is shut off.

Mike

I'm not really worried about the gas being shut off. I am in the frozen 
north and I don't think there is much concern about earthquakes.
If the gas goes off, I have a problem anyway in winter as that also 
fires the furnace. The generator would run the furnace blower motor 
along with a few other things.
My concern is something like happened in Quebec and E Ontario a few 
years back - an ice storm that took out power lines all over the place 
and took a long time to clean up and get everyone online again.
Or maybe a winter blizzard. I am told that there is enough redundancy in 
the transmission lines to bring power from somewhere else if our major 
lines come down but I still think it a good plan to have backup power 
available to some extent.


Having said that, I have been in my house for 30 years and have never 
had an outage that lasted more than an hour that I can recall.


We have had torrential rains that threatened to flood us and without a 
sump pump we would have had a real mess. I have a sump pump and a backup 
and if the generator runs, we will not sink!


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:35 AM, "Dimitri Seretakis" 
 wrote:

> That's very kind of you but I think I should replace with new. Do you have 
> the spring compressor? Have you done this before? 

I think Rusty has a compressor he loans/rents.

Allan
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1979 300SD


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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:33 AM, "Peter Frederick" 
 wrote:

> Gravity cooling fridges are limited to very small capacity ones (dorm
> fridges) and they provide very poor freezing capacity.

Had a gravity cooling fridge in an apartment I lived in years ago.
Looked like a traditional fridge (separate freezer compartment on top)
but there was also a small coil in the refrigerator compartment.
Defrosting every few weeks or months was the main annoyance; it was
quite old, but very quiet and reliable otherwise.  Freezer worked pretty
well as I recall, certainly enough to freeze ice cubes, etc.

For really cold freezer storage you are better off with a separate deep
freeze anyway.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[Dimitri Seretakis]

That's very kind of you but I think I should replace with new. Do you have the 
spring compressor? Have you done this before? 

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:38 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

C'mon out, my '83 240D still has all its springs, I'll make you a great deal. 
65 miles west of Boston, just off Rt2.
Car WILL be gone at the beginning of November.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:04:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dimitri Seretakis 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!
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I went to change my brake pads on the 240D today and I noticed a broken spring! 
How does something like this happen? On top of it all, one of the caliper 
pistons is stuck. Not a good car day.
A pic of the spring can be seen here:

http://www.mbca.org/forum/2011-10-12/broken-spring

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Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Front. Yes I can see their potential energy ready to be directed at my face! I 
might try to find a friend who has done this before to help me out. I also need 
to do a front end rebuild so I might as well tackle all at once.

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Max  wrote:

Front or rear? Careful on the front springs, rear are much easier and don't 
require the tool.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

Do I really need to be afraid of replacing them myself if I use the Klann style 
spring compressor?

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Max  wrote:

Get a pair of new springs, used are a poor value.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD

Dimitri Seretakis  wrote:

I went to change my brake pads on the 240D today and I noticed a broken spring! 
How does something like this happen? On top of it all, one of the caliper 
pistons is stuck. Not a good car day. 
A pic of the spring can be seen here:

http://www.mbca.org/forum/2011-10-12/broken-spring

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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Peter Frederick]

All frost-free fridges use a fan to cool the fridge part, also a fan  
to circulate air in the freezer -- sometimes one fan, sometimes two.


Gravity cooling fridges are limited to very small capacity ones (dorm  
fridges) and they provide very poor freezing capacity.


I prefer bottom freezers because I dislike bending over to get into  
the top shelf of the fridge, but I don't believe there is any real  
advantage to efficiency for either configuration.


Insulation is the important part.

Peter

On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Jim Cathey wrote:

Why a top freezer? I mean, I like top freezers fine don't get me  
wrong but I was under the impression that bottom freezers are more  
> efficient.


Cold sinks.  Bottom freezers use a fan to blow cold air up to
the 'fridge compartment.  Or at least some do.  One more moving
part to fail...

At time of purchase I looked at the CR type reports on energy
efficiency and durability.  Traditional won hands-down, and was
also the cheapest.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Jim Cathey]

Why a top freezer? I mean, I like top freezers fine don't get me wrong 
but I was under the impression that bottom freezers are more > efficient.


Cold sinks.  Bottom freezers use a fan to blow cold air up to
the 'fridge compartment.  Or at least some do.  One more moving
part to fail...

At time of purchase I looked at the CR type reports on energy
efficiency and durability.  Traditional won hands-down, and was
also the cheapest.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Dan Penoff]

We have four in the house. Me, the spouse, and two sons, 19 and 25.

The side by side they put in was really small by any standard. I think it was 
only like 18-19 cubic feet capacity. I knew it was small when I saw it, as 
there was a good six inches of clearance between it and the wall on one side of 
the opening.

There were only two of them, which may be why they scrimped on the fridge. We 
would have replaced it anyway, as we both like to cook and entertain.

It will go into the garage for now, and will probably end up on Craigslist. We 
only have a two car garage, so space will be at a premium out there...

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> I think it is.
>> It's a "four door" model with the drawer in between the fridge and freezer. 
>> Has the worthless display on the door over the ice/water dispenser.
>> It's a beast, I know that. Doesn't get delivered until Saturday. Glad we 
>> have double entry doors
> 
> And how many people live there, two?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Mitch Haley]

Dan Penoff wrote:

I think it is.

It's a "four door" model with the drawer in between the fridge and freezer. Has 
the worthless display on the door over the ice/water dispenser.

It's a beast, I know that. Doesn't get delivered until Saturday. Glad we have 
double entry doors


And how many people live there, two?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT standby generator

[Michael Canfield]

  I love it when the power goes out.  I have a little generator that runs my
fridge and sump pump.  That will run for 24 hours on 6 gallons of gas.
Running for 30 min. at a time to keep things cold it goes a long time.  I
heat with wood only so there is no worry about a place to cook or read a
book by.  If it is too warm for the woodstove the cook stove is run off a
20# propane cylinder.
  The generator will also run the water pump and the water heater is
propane.  All the conveniences of every other day without paying the elecric
company.

Mike
On Oct 12, 2011 9:44 AM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> I worry about that too but I guess that in most big cities the gas stays on
> in most cases with the exception of earthquakes.
>
> It interests me how little disruption many people are willing to live with.
> I bought a 1200w generator (2 stroke, 1 gallon of gas for 8 hours at 50%
> usage) to run our sump pump after I found my 400w inverter wasn't up to it.
> For all other tasks the 400w inverter with an old (now considerably
> degraded) 110a marine battery is plenty. For cooking I've got a Coleman
> stove (well 3 actually, and a little kerosene burner) and light comes from
> Coleman lanterns (about 20, we could light up the whole street). Heat from
> the woodstove which also gives a backup cook surface.
>
> I've enough solar to charge the cell phones and flashlights too.
>
> Sometimes makes you wonder how people survived without all the modern
> conveniences.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 04:46:04 -0400
> From: Michael Canfield 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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>  For a backup unit I would not convert to a fuel that will be shut off
> during a disaster.  With a propane tank you at least have until it runs
> out,
> with NG you get nothing when the worst happens and the supply is shut off.
>
> Mike
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Re: [MBZ] Activity

[Rich Thomas]

Pronounced "Limminsta"

--R

On 10/12/11 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

I frequently drive through Leominster, MA which is the hometown of Johnny 
Appleseed...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 21:55:40 -0400
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Johnny Appleseed was buried in my home town of Ft Wayne IN.  Kind of a
ratty little small park with his gravestone and a metal fence around
it.  Used to go there and have a pop or two in his memory.

"I knew Johnny Appleseed, and you sir are no Johnny Appleseed!"

--R

On 10/11/11 9:26 PM, Fred Moir wrote:

Johnny Senna Pod?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 10/11/2011 8:25 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

Whatever topic I raise, conversation does seem to flow freely.  I
like to think of myself as the Johnny Appleseed of this list.

Andrew

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Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[Dieselhead]

Don't need a spring compressor if you have a floor jack.  No Fear, 
but common sense is useful.




Do I really need to be afraid of replacing them myself if I use the 
Klann style spring compressor?




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Re: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!

[WILTON]

Another use for Shoe Goo?   ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:04 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Broken spring! WTF???!!


I went to change my brake pads on the 240D today and I noticed a broken 
spring! How does something like this happen? On top of it all, one of the 
caliper pistons is stuck. Not a good car day.

A pic of the spring can be seen here:

http://www.mbca.org/forum/2011-10-12/broken-spring

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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Dan Penoff]

Well, it was obvious (to me) that this was some sort of design flaw, as I went 
through two of these chrome plated augers with the same results. I made sure I 
got OEM parts both times as well, so they couldn't give me the crappy 
aftermarket parts argument.

Found numerous references to the problem online as well, but as I expected, 
they didn't care since it was out of warranty.

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:55 AM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:58 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> 
>> I talked to GE, and since the appliance was out of warranty they
>> pretty well blew me off.
>> 
>> New house has all new Maytag appliances the seller put in. We bought a
>> French door Samsung fridge because the side by side Maytag they have
>> is less than 20 cubic feet. The Samsung is a behemoth
> 
> Yeah GE seem more interested in making sure I'll never buy another
> appliance of theirs again than providing any remedy for an established
> design flaw.
> 
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Dan Penoff]

I think it is.

It's a "four door" model with the drawer in between the fridge and freezer. Has 
the worthless display on the door over the ice/water dispenser.

It's a beast, I know that. Doesn't get delivered until Saturday. Glad we have 
double entry doors

Dan

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On Oct 12, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> If it's a "twin cool" Samsung, make DARN SURE it's level!
> If not, when it's humid, you can have a nasty ice-up problem on the
> cooling coils in the back.
> That's fixable with a hair dryer and leveling the fridge.
> 
> Great fridge other than that gotcha, the freezer keeps Vodka at -4F
> all day every day.
> 
> Walt
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 8:58 AM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
>> We had a kitchen full of GE Profile appliances in our last house. While most 
>> were good and trouble-free, the icemaker in the fridge was a PITA.
>> 
>> The one reoccurring problem I had was the chrome plated auger in the 
>> icemaker. When we moved in, it was pitted and rusted, something we 
>> attributed to the place being unused for nearly two years prior to our 
>> moving in.
>> 
>> I ordered an OEM replacement and installed it.
>> 
>> Within a month the replacement auger was rusted and pitted as well. Rust 
>> particles would end up in our drinks as a result, too.
>> 
>> I talked to GE, and since the appliance was out of warranty they pretty well 
>> blew me off.
>> 
>> New house has all new Maytag appliances the seller put in. We bought a 
>> French door Samsung fridge because the side by side Maytag they have is less 
>> than 20 cubic feet. The Samsung is a behemoth
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I happily ditched my ~30 yr old (came with the house) GE refr a couple of 
>>> years ago and bought a kenmore with the condensor coils in the back (hard 
>>> to find).  So far, the icemaker in the kenmore has performed flawlessly, 
>>> and is easy to turn on/off.  The GE icemaker seldom worked.
>>> 
>>> #1 Daughter  bought a used GE side by side (maybe 2006 model), with ice and 
>>> water in the door.  It makes ice, but overfills the ice bin and jams the 
>>> dispenser.  It also refuses to dispense cubes, and always grinds the ice.  
>>> When the ice bin is overfilled, the bin won't come out without taking out 
>>> everything above it; both things stored and refrigerator parts.  Really 
>>> irritating.
>>> 
>>> yeah, I actually have a few things from snears that delivered reasonable 
>>> value!  The refr was pricey for what it is, but no worse than anyone else's 
>>> (Major US brands)   No Chinee cheapos of the normal size when i was 
>>> looking, but they are selling lots of washing machines and dryers in the US 
>>> of Wallyland.
>>> 
>>> I never trust anything with "General" in the name.  Electric, motors etc.
>>> 
>>> If you bought it form a local dealer, ask them to fix it.  If it came from 
>>> a big box, that is most likely futile.  After the big box turns you down, 
>>> see if you can get the local tv station to display the problem.  That might 
>>> embarrass the store into providing a cure.
>>> 
>>> When I look for a new refr, I look for one with the coils in the back, 
>>> because they are much less likely to plug, and cause the compressor to 
>>> fail.  Most now have the condensor under the refr, with a forced air fan.  
>>> This brings 2 problems.  1.  Additional motor to fail  2.  Bottom 
>>> condensors and the fan conspire to blow dust/hair etc into the coils, 
>>> obstructing the airflow and leading to premature compressor failure, and 
>>> higher electric bills.  This is exacerbated in a house with animals inside. 
>>>I had to clean the old GE every other year, and I should have done it 
>>> more often, and this is without animals in the house.  PITA.
>>> 
>>> 
 The accursed GE refrigerator I bought about 5 years ago has developed a
 new problem.  The main sore point has been that the water line to the
 in-door water dispenser will freeze up whenever the ambient temperature
 is below about 78 degrees.  This is due a design defect: the water line
 is routed too close to the interior side of the freezer door.  As the
 door is filled with expanding foam insulation, rectifying this is
 impractical/impossible.
 
 Now, the new problem is that the ice maker fill inlet is freezing over.
 When this happens, water pours down the back side of the refrigerator
 and onto the floor whenever the ice maker goes through its dump-
 ice/refill cycle.
 
 I'm wondering if there might be a heating element in the water inlet
 that has failed.  Anyone know anything about these?  It's a model
 "GSL25IGRE BS" if that helps.  I think the "BS" suffix is particularly
 appropriate.
 
 Allan
 --
 1983 300D
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:58 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> I talked to GE, and since the appliance was out of warranty they
> pretty well blew me off.
>
> New house has all new Maytag appliances the seller put in. We bought a
> French door Samsung fridge because the side by side Maytag they have
> is less than 20 cubic feet. The Samsung is a behemoth

Yeah GE seem more interested in making sure I'll never buy another
appliance of theirs again than providing any remedy for an established
design flaw.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Allan Streib]

On Wednesday, October 12, 2011 8:27 AM, "Max"  wrote:

> Allan Streib  wrote:
> 
>   This is due a design defect: the water line
> >is routed too close to the interior side of the freezer door.  As the
> >door is filled with expanding foam insulation, rectifying this is
> >impractical/impossible.
> >
> 
> You could route a new line, OR add more insulation to the inside of the door.
> 

Opening up the door is impossible, it's basically glued solid when they fill it 
with the expanding foam at the factory.  I suppose I could do something like 
adding additional styrofoam on the inside of the door.  That *might* help the 
water dispenser issue, but won't address the new icemaker problem.  As the 
icemaker has worked fine for years I am hoping that the sudden freeze-up 
problem is correctable. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker

[Curt Raymond]

How many people in your household?

In designing an electric-less cooler (icebox really) for camp I've come to 
appreciate how much energy we spend keeping food cold. The icebox I'm finally 
building is 4.5cuft which traditionally speaking, is oversize but its well 
insulated with 4" of foam.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 08:58:09 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: GE icemaker
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We had a kitchen full of GE Profile appliances in our last house. While most 
were good and trouble-free, the icemaker in the fridge was a PITA.

The one reoccurring problem I had was the chrome plated auger in the icemaker. 
When we moved in, it was pitted and rusted, something we attributed to the 
place being unused for nearly two years prior to our moving in.

I ordered an OEM replacement and installed it.

Within a month the replacement auger was rusted and pitted as well. Rust 
particles would end up in our drinks as a result, too.

I talked to GE, and since the appliance was out of warranty they pretty well 
blew me off.

New house has all new Maytag appliances the seller put in. We bought a French 
door Samsung fridge because the side by side Maytag they have is less than 20 
cubic feet. The Samsung is a behemoth

Dan


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