Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Two 190Ds for $3000 each

[Gerry Archer]

We had a "like new" '73 240D my wife drove for years.  I longed for a 200D
like yours, thinking it would get the same 31 mpg around town as our 
'67 200D.  They were rare.


They won't get 45?  You've convinced me.  Going downtown and buying a Pruis
tomorrow.  (kidding)
Gerry


I forget what the Frankenheap is.  A '70s model 200D?


Yep, 115.  See: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/frankenheap.html


similar mpg; roughly 35/45 mpg.


45?  Dream on.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 210/211

[Hendrik & Fay]

OK it's my monthly time for a rap over the knuckles from Roger, so I'll 
say that the 210 is very much a car that needs the right colour to look 
good. Red and black are nice but silver and white are pukearama city. 
And I reckon the rear end in a 210 lets it down badly, very bland, a la 
toyota, etc.


Hendrik
who would rather push his 124 than drive a 210

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

No. I'm not a big fan of the headlights but I think that the rear and side is 
very elegant. The 211 is very run of the mill looking - almost camryesque. I 
know it's a better car though.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 4, 2011, at 7:52 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote:

...I think the W210 is a pretty handsome looking car especially the rear 
and side. Much better looking than a 211..


I don't agree. The W211 is a much better car and far better looking. You 
really like the 210's face?


RLE


  



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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Dan Penoff]

I would also point out that none of the dams affected produced significant 
amounts of power, that is, they were all pretty small as far as output.

I did some work at both the Glines and Condit dams back in the early 90s, both 
of which are pretty small (100-200 feet) and only produce about 15 MW each.

A lot of these dams were tossed up by the paper companies that were raping the 
land in the area around the turn of the last century, in order to produce power 
to run their logging operations. They were terribly inefficient and required 
significant maintenance to stay on line.

Unlike later dams that were built and designed to accommodate the environment 
around them, these had no fish ladders, or their design made retrofitting 
difficult.

Add to this that many of them were on tribal lands and totally hosed up the 
place for the aboriginal populations, who had a subsistence living based on the 
wildlife in the area.

I'm no tree hugger, and I certainly recognize the value of hydroelectric power 
over natural gas or coal, but I think they are doing the right thing in these 
cases by returning the rivers to their original state.

Dan who doesn't drive a Subaru


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:30 PM, clay monroe  wrote:

> SWMBA was involved in that mess.  
> 
> The reason the dams are gone is that the state decided, along with federal 
> idiots to impose crippling requirements for relicensing of the dam.  Utility 
> could have swallowed hard and tossed several billion in cash at the issue to 
> move fish and upgrade all sorts of other niggling issues.  Turned out cheaper 
> to just blow them up and be done.  Take the loss on the books and look for 
> other generation sources.  
> 
> The decline in hydro feeds into the other renewable energy fields.  With less 
> hydro (which is not considered renewable here) BPA will have to allow wind 
> and solar onto the grid instead of forcing them to shut down due to excess 
> hydro generation because there is too much water behind the dam.
> 
> Big run on federal cash that obama was tossing about over the past three 
> years.  Lots of new wind farms on the books and some geothermal in the 
> pipeline.  Oddly, there is no geothermal regulations on the books in 
> Washington, so this is going to be a clusterF**k to get up.
> 
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
> 
>> Randy wrote:
>>> Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams!
>> 
>> A recent story told about how Washington state is dismantling several
>> hydroelectric dam installations.
>> Of course, these are in the migration paths for salmon spawns, so
>> dismantling them is a plus for that industry.
>> mao
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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[jgiels]

...Oh, my God! I can�t believe that you haven�t visited this site! You must do 
it immediately!  http://srouji-trading.com/december.site.php?tjshowtopic=76a5

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Re: [MBZ] 210/211

[Mitch Haley]

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
OK it's my monthly time for a rap over the knuckles from Roger, so I'll 
say that the 210 is very much a car that needs the right colour to look 
good. Red and black are nice but silver and white are pukearama city. 
And I reckon the rear end in a 210 lets it down badly, very bland, a la 
toyota, etc.


What about this?
http://annarbor.craigslist.org/cto/2671525768.html

I've always been partial to parchment or saddle leather on dark green, but 
either these photos are dark or this is really dark green. Still thinking about 
buying it, I haven't had a 4x4 wagon since I got rid of my 1979 Subaru 1600 GL 
20 years ago. I think I'll call the owners this weekend and ask them if it's got 
COMMAND (ugh), how old the suspension bits are, and 'do you really need to put 
premium in that?'. (if they say 'it's been running fine on regular for the past 
70,000 miles', I'll reduce the price by a couple of catalytic converters)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] CL idiot of the day

[Hans Neureiter]

You thought right.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:54 AM, Jerry Herrman  wrote:

> I thought the singular was "bacterium" and the plural was "bacteria".
> --
> Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX
> '82 300SD
> '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI
>
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[MBZ] 81 300TD For Sale in Wichita, KS

[Donald Snook]

My Indy usually has 6-7 cars for sale in addition to working on MB, BMW, 
Porsche, Jag, etc.   He has a 1981 300TD (WAGON) with less than 150,000 miles 
for sale (I think it was 143,000 or so.   He says he wants $2500.  It looks to 
be in good shape.  He said he has been driving it back and forth from Wichita 
to Lawrence, KS on the weekend because his son plays sports at KU.  The drive 
is 300 plus miles round trip.   I looked at it a little, and it looks decent.  
I did not drive it.  It has two small spots of rust that I saw at a quick 
glance.  One spot is on the passenger front door along the bottom.  The rust is 
through the paint.  It also has a small spot 2-3 inches wide along the wheel 
well edge on the pass rear wheel.  Its tan/beige and the paint looks tired, but 
not bad.  With a good buff and the Martha Stewart treatment from Dan, I bet it 
would look good.I can't tell if the rear spheres are good.  I think they 
always look like they ride a little low in the rear, so it may be fine.

Anyway, its not mine, but I do know the seller.  If you want more info you can 
email me or call 316-263-2886 and talk to Raisa.

Sorry, I haven't contributed much lately to the list, I have been swamped with 
work and an 8 month old!

Donald H. Snook
2000 BMW 740iL
2010 Dodge Charger (Her Car)
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week

[Craig]

On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:47:55 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >I just can't understand the "granite" fad.  The tile countertop fad
> >was goofy, but to replace that with a piece of rock with porosity is
> >nuts to me.  The requirement that everything in food
> >plants/restaurants/lockers has to be stainless steel is goofy too.  A
> >formica surface is non-porous and does not promote growth of
> >bacteria.  A lot easier to clean and maintain too.

But also a lot easier to nick with a knife or abrade with some other
tool. I'm sure the surfaces in food plants/restaurants/lockers see a lot
more abuse than those in homes. The little cracks generated by that abuse
will harbor bacteria and will be harder to clean up than stainless.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] (no subject)

[Bob Rentfro]

How is this ass clown able to still post?

Bob R
On Dec 6, 2011 7:03 AM,  wrote:

> ...Oh, my God! I can�t believe that you haven�t visited this site! You
> must do it immediately!
> http://srouji-trading.com/december.site.php?tjshowtopic=76a5
>
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Re: [MBZ] 81 300TD For Sale in Wichita, KS

[andrew strasfogel]

Tan/beige??  This has to be THE least attractive color combination.

To make matters worse, the palomino MB text seats and carpeting tend
to age to different colors over time, so you end up with an unintended
two-tone interior featuring lighter tan seats flanked by darker,
almost orangey bolsters.  Yecch.

On 12/6/11, Donald Snook  wrote:
> My Indy usually has 6-7 cars for sale in addition to working on MB, BMW,
> Porsche, Jag, etc.   He has a 1981 300TD (WAGON) with less than 150,000
> miles for sale (I think it was 143,000 or so.   He says he wants $2500.  It
> looks to be in good shape.  He said he has been driving it back and forth
> from Wichita to Lawrence, KS on the weekend because his son plays sports at
> KU.  The drive is 300 plus miles round trip.   I looked at it a little, and
> it looks decent.  I did not drive it.  It has two small spots of rust that I
> saw at a quick glance.  One spot is on the passenger front door along the
> bottom.  The rust is through the paint.  It also has a small spot 2-3 inches
> wide along the wheel well edge on the pass rear wheel.  Its tan/beige and
> the paint looks tired, but not bad.  With a good buff and the Martha Stewart
> treatment from Dan, I bet it would look good.I can't tell if the rear
> spheres are good.  I think they always look like they ride a little low in
> the rear, so it may be fine.
>
> Anyway, its not mine, but I do know the seller.  If you want more info you
> can email me or call 316-263-2886 and talk to Raisa.
>
> Sorry, I haven't contributed much lately to the list, I have been swamped
> with work and an 8 month old!
>
> Donald H. Snook
> 2000 BMW 740iL
> 2010 Dodge Charger (Her Car)
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Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Re: Two 190Ds for $3000 each

[Jim Cathey]

I longed for a 200D like yours, thinking it would get the same 31 mpg
around town as our '67 200D.  They were rare.


It does.  They are.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

Anybody have access to a 211 trunk?  I need interior dimensions to determine if 
the space will accommodate my electric mobility scooter, which I now easily 
disassemble in about 30 seconds and stow in trunk of my MB models 124 or 126.
I need width between wheel wells, height, and depth/length front to back.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[andrew strasfogel]

This thread refuses to die, so here's a recent and topical article
from Nature Magazine:

The majority of climate change is man-made, say Swiss researchers in a
new paper.

Writing in Nature Geoscience, the team reports that 74 percent of the
observed warming over the past 60 years comes from human activities.
Using climate models that measured heat energy entering and leaving
the Earth, the scientists were able to tease out where warming was
coming from.

The findings line up with previous reports and further cement the idea
that carbon dioxide emissions are the lead driver of global climate
change. The report also says that were it not for particulate
emissions, like soot, the greenhouse gases would have caused even more
warming.

In the past, researchers used a technique called optimal
fingerprinting to measure human effects on climate. Scientists would
compare projected air temperature increases from various sources,
including pollution and volcanoes. "Optimal fingerprinting is a
powerful technique, but to most people it's a black box," said Reto
Knutti, a climate scientist at the Swiss Federal Institute of
Technology and one of the authors of the report.

Knutti and Markus Huber, a co-author, decided to use a simpler model
where they looked at the Earth's total energy budget and then tweaked
some variables, like energy from the sun, energy reflected back into
space and heat absorbed by the oceans.

The researchers aligned the model with previous climate trends and
then changed one variable at a time to see how it would influence
climate in the future. Knutti and Huber observed that carbon dioxide
and other greenhouse gases warmed the planet between 0.6 and 1.1
degrees Celsius. Aerosols like soot offset about half of warming from
gases by scattering sunlight.

Using this approach, the team also found that the planet warmed by 0.5
degree Celsius, which lines up with the observed 0.55-degree-Celsius
warming trend since 1950. In addition, other explanations proffered
for climate change, such as solar radiation shifts and natural climate
shifts, were found to have a minimal impact on the current warming
trend (Quirin Schiermeier, Nature, Dec. 04). -- UI



On 12/6/11, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> I would also point out that none of the dams affected produced significant
> amounts of power, that is, they were all pretty small as far as output.
>
> I did some work at both the Glines and Condit dams back in the early 90s,
> both of which are pretty small (100-200 feet) and only produce about 15 MW
> each.
>
> A lot of these dams were tossed up by the paper companies that were raping
> the land in the area around the turn of the last century, in order to
> produce power to run their logging operations. They were terribly
> inefficient and required significant maintenance to stay on line.
>
> Unlike later dams that were built and designed to accommodate the
> environment around them, these had no fish ladders, or their design made
> retrofitting difficult.
>
> Add to this that many of them were on tribal lands and totally hosed up the
> place for the aboriginal populations, who had a subsistence living based on
> the wildlife in the area.
>
> I'm no tree hugger, and I certainly recognize the value of hydroelectric
> power over natural gas or coal, but I think they are doing the right thing
> in these cases by returning the rivers to their original state.
>
> Dan who doesn't drive a Subaru
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2011, at 9:30 PM, clay monroe  wrote:
>
>> SWMBA was involved in that mess.
>>
>> The reason the dams are gone is that the state decided, along with federal
>> idiots to impose crippling requirements for relicensing of the dam.
>> Utility could have swallowed hard and tossed several billion in cash at
>> the issue to move fish and upgrade all sorts of other niggling issues.
>> Turned out cheaper to just blow them up and be done.  Take the loss on the
>> books and look for other generation sources.
>>
>> The decline in hydro feeds into the other renewable energy fields.  With
>> less hydro (which is not considered renewable here) BPA will have to allow
>> wind and solar onto the grid instead of forcing them to shut down due to
>> excess hydro generation because there is too much water behind the dam.
>>
>> Big run on federal cash that obama was tossing about over the past three
>> years.  Lots of new wind farms on the books and some geothermal in the
>> pipeline.  Oddly, there is no geothermal regulations on the books in
>> Washington, so this is going to be a clusterF**k to get up.
>>
>>
>>
>> clay
>>
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2011, at 6:01 PM, Mountain Man wrote:
>>
>>> Randy wrote:
 Ah but you missed the reference to Hydro Electric Power and Dams!
>>>
>>> A recent story told about how Washington state is dismantling several
>>> hydroelectric 

Re: [MBZ] OT: Expensive Week

[Dieselhead]

I can show you stainless with knife marks that harbor bacteria. 
Maple kills bacteria, and yes, it takes knife marks.  Maple also does 
not dull you knife.


Formica is not a cutting surface, and never was sold as such.



On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:47:55 -0600 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


 >I just can't understand the "granite" fad.  The tile countertop fad
 >was goofy, but to replace that with a piece of rock with porosity is
 >nuts to me.  The requirement that everything in food
 >plants/restaurants/lockers has to be stainless steel is goofy too.  A
 >formica surface is non-porous and does not promote growth of
 >bacteria.  A lot easier to clean and maintain too.


But also a lot easier to nick with a knife or abrade with some other
tool. I'm sure the surfaces in food plants/restaurants/lockers see a lot
more abuse than those in homes. The little cracks generated by that abuse
will harbor bacteria and will be harder to clean up than stainless.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Scott and Gwen Ritchey]

Has anyone read an analysis of how bio-Diesel stacks up?  Economically?
Energy efficiency (BTU to produce vs BTU produced)?  Comparison to other
solar methods?


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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[G Mann]

Very complex question. Bio-Diesel can be made from almost any vegetable
oil, and all vegetables have oil. Each vegetable oil source has a different
energy cost to cultivate, harvest, and rate of return [ie. pounds of oil v
pounds of plant product]. Cost to produce feed stock oil for one vegetable
oil type can vary widely compared to another. Many factors come into play
in setting that price/cost ratio.

The actual trans-esterfication process is a "chemical refining process" in
large part and quite efficient if done with good controls on a commercial
scale.

BTU per pound of ASTM Spec, Bio-Diesel is closely on par with BTU per pound
of "Dino-Diesel", unlike the gasoline/ethanol yield energy ratio.

Comparison with solar methods?  Not an apples to apples comparison.  Two
different sides of the "alternate energy" basket.  Solar to electric power
vs Bio-Diesel to BTU doesn't translate.  [or maybe I slept through that
class in college]

As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest capacity
Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a design
capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be said, "I
speak the Bio-Diesel language".

Grant...
AZ "Where diesels roam free"



On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Scott and Gwen Ritchey  wrote:

>
> Has anyone read an analysis of how bio-Diesel stacks up?  Economically?
> Energy efficiency (BTU to produce vs BTU produced)?  Comparison to other
> solar methods?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[rogerhga]

WellI've read enough. It's apparent from all the data provided by highly 
educated, unbiased individuals with absolutely no agenda or financial interest, 
that humans are the cause of global warming and harm to the Earth. 
We must all commit suicide in order to save the planet. You first :- 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Andrew Strasfogel]

Well, that's one possible solution, although I don't support it on a personal 
level.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

WellI've read enough. It's apparent from all the data provided by highly 
educated, unbiased individuals with absolutely no agenda or financial interest, 
that humans are the cause of global warming and harm to the Earth. 
We must all commit suicide in order to save the planet. You first :- 
Best Wishes, 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.rubylane.com/shops/sna (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders

[Rich Thomas]

Yeah, what he said.

--R

On 12/5/11 9:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Hans Neureiter  writes:


And patiencently applied skill.
Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak
pont = end of threads).
If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below.

And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off, just wait
until you have an EZ-Out snaps off.  Don't ask me how I know.  Luckily
I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz.  Pretty much
everything else though.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Max]

Andrew, can this Swiss model "back-cast" with any accuracy?  It is relatively 
easy to create a model that will tell us what temperature we have now and make 
dire predictions...

Also, who did the peer review and where is their data and methodology posted in 
the public domain so that objective and independent analysis can be done?
-- 
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Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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[MBZ] Test

[Rick Knoble]

Yeah, I failed. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Rich Thomas]

Whoa, Max, you won't be getting any grants any time soon.

--R

On 12/6/11 1:45 PM, Max wrote:

Andrew, can this Swiss model "back-cast" with any accuracy?  It is relatively 
easy to create a model that will tell us what temperature we have now and make dire 
predictions...

Also, who did the peer review and where is their data and methodology posted in 
the public domain so that objective and independent analysis can be done?


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[MBZ] Emails And Assclowns

[Rick Knoble]

> Bob R
>   wrote:

> How is this ass clown able to still post?

He is a semi-active lurking member. He just needs to follow a few steps to 
straighten out
his email account. The same thing happened to me a while back. His account has 
been hacked,
possibly by a malicious java script. A repost of my write up follows.

I had a similar problem last year. I use Linux and I thought my machine was 
invincible.
I clicked on a spam link while in Hotmail (web based) and I believe a malicious 
Java script took
over the account and sent a message similar to yours to all my contacts. My 
advice is as follows

You need to make sure that your virus protection and malware protection are up 
to date.
You should then perform virus and malware scans on your computer.

CHANGE YOUR EMAIL PASSWORD.

ALSO DELETE ALL COOKIES AND BROWSING HISTORY. (clear the cache)

I use FireFox and have several add ons that are quite useful. One in particular 
can prevent
such attacks. It is NoScript.

1. Always make sure your anti-virus software is up to date. (or run Linux)

2. Always make sure your operating system and web browser are up to date.

3. Never click a link in an email you are unsure of.

4. Use complex passwords. Use upper case & lower case letters, numbers, and 
special characters.

Also, if you run a windows machine...

I forgot to add that all of my machines are set up with an Owner account as the 
administrator,
with separate accounts for other users that are NOT administrators, (including 
my own account).
I also set up guest accounts for any company that requires the use of a 
computer. This practice 
saved me a lot of work on at least one occasion. I was surfing the web and 
picked up a virus on
my account (Avira virus alert popped up, ect.). I immediately shut the machine 
down and re-booted
into the administrator account and did a virus and malware scan. I removed the 
bad stuff and logged
back in to my primary (non-administrator) account. For some reason, I had no 
sound and no internet,
so I logged back into the admin account and backed up any important files in my 
non-admin account. 
I then deleted the non-admin account and re-booted the computer. I logged in to 
the admin account 
again, created a new non-admin account for myself, logged into the newly 
recreated non-admin account
and restored the backups. I took less time (nearly) than typing this. It took 
WAY less time than 
formatting and rebuild from scratch. Just a thought. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Emails And Assclowns

[Bob Rentfro]

Alrightif he was hacked I retrack my assclown labling.

Bob R
On Dec 6, 2011 11:51 AM, "Rick Knoble"  wrote:

>
> > Bob R
> >   wrote:
>
> > How is this ass clown able to still post?
>
> He is a semi-active lurking member. He just needs to follow a few steps to
> straighten out
> his email account. The same thing happened to me a while back. His account
> has been hacked,
> possibly by a malicious java script. A repost of my write up follows.
>
> I had a similar problem last year. I use Linux and I thought my machine
> was invincible.
> I clicked on a spam link while in Hotmail (web based) and I believe a
> malicious Java script took
> over the account and sent a message similar to yours to all my contacts.
> My advice is as follows
>
> You need to make sure that your virus protection and malware protection
> are up to date.
> You should then perform virus and malware scans on your computer.
>
> CHANGE YOUR EMAIL PASSWORD.
>
> ALSO DELETE ALL COOKIES AND BROWSING HISTORY. (clear the cache)
>
> I use FireFox and have several add ons that are quite useful. One in
> particular can prevent
> such attacks. It is NoScript.
>
> 1. Always make sure your anti-virus software is up to date. (or run Linux)
>
> 2. Always make sure your operating system and web browser are up to date.
>
> 3. Never click a link in an email you are unsure of.
>
> 4. Use complex passwords. Use upper case & lower case letters, numbers,
> and special characters.
>
> Also, if you run a windows machine...
>
> I forgot to add that all of my machines are set up with an Owner account
> as the administrator,
> with separate accounts for other users that are NOT administrators,
> (including my own account).
> I also set up guest accounts for any company that requires the use of a
> computer. This practice
> saved me a lot of work on at least one occasion. I was surfing the web and
> picked up a virus on
> my account (Avira virus alert popped up, ect.). I immediately shut the
> machine down and re-booted
> into the administrator account and did a virus and malware scan. I removed
> the bad stuff and logged
> back in to my primary (non-administrator) account. For some reason, I had
> no sound and no internet,
> so I logged back into the admin account and backed up any important files
> in my non-admin account.
> I then deleted the non-admin account and re-booted the computer. I logged
> in to the admin account
> again, created a new non-admin account for myself, logged into the newly
> recreated non-admin account
> and restored the backups. I took less time (nearly) than typing this. It
> took WAY less time than
> formatting and rebuild from scratch. Just a thought.
>
> Rick
> Sent from my iPhone
> Because for some reason, email sent from my web based hotmail to this list
> bounces.
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[andrew strasfogel]

No idea.

On 12/6/11, Rich Thomas  wrote:
> Whoa, Max, you won't be getting any grants any time soon.
>
> --R
>
> On 12/6/11 1:45 PM, Max wrote:
>> Andrew, can this Swiss model "back-cast" with any accuracy?  It is
>> relatively easy to create a model that will tell us what temperature we
>> have now and make dire predictions...
>>
>> Also, who did the peer review and where is their data and methodology
>> posted in the public domain so that objective and independent analysis can
>> be done?
>
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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Allan Streib]

G Mann  writes:

> Comparison with solar methods?  Not an apples to apples comparison.  Two
> different sides of the "alternate energy" basket.  Solar to electric power
> vs Bio-Diesel to BTU doesn't translate.  [or maybe I slept through that
> class in college]

I think in a sense that the vegetable/plant material gets it's energy
from the sun, you can view Bio-Diesel as an "indirect" solar fuel.  But
in that sense almost everything is, except nuclear and geothermal.

Allan

-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Randy Bennell]

Lots of things I don't support on a personal level. I did not create the 
problem. I will not be able to solve the problem. I try to do my bit not 
to make things a whole lot worse, but that does not mean I am prepared 
to give up my creature comforts. I live in a harsh climate and am not 
anxious to walk or bicycle to work, nothwithstanding that it might be 
good for me. I LIKE cars, trucks, boats etc. Not much point in my 
keeping them around if I am not going to make any use of them. I am 
trying to make my home more efficient. Good for the environment as well 
as my wallet to some extent.


I am opposed to carbon taxes that will "solve" the "problem" only by 
making it too expensive for people to live the way that they have become 
accustomed to living. I would much prefer that the reverse scenario be 
pursued by the government - IE - incentives to be greener rather than 
punishment for not being greener.


I am not convinced that Toyota Prius or spriral flourescent lightbulbs 
are a good idea. They may be a step in the right direction but they have 
their own problems and issues and I don't like having things forced upon 
me. For example, my mother's apartment building insisted that all of the 
tenants had to switch to the silly spiral bulbs. They do not work well 
in existing light fixtures etc. Not a solution in my mind. I am hopeful 
that the LED bulbs will be better but do not know as yet.


Most 4 stroke motors are better than most of the old 2 stroke motors for 
things like outboard boat motors but some of the new 2 strokes rival the 
4 strokes so who knows how that will ultimately be resolved.


I like my old 300D but it may be a bit of a polluter. I don't drive it a 
lot of miles and I don't live in LA so hopefully, I am not a big problem 
in the grand scheme of things.


I could go on but you must know how I feel by now.

Randy in Winnipeg - where the wind may soon blow me another 100 miles 
north. Wow - supposed to lessen by evening I think



On 06/12/2011 12:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Well, that's one possible solution, although I don't support it on a personal 
level.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

WellI've read enough. It's apparent from all the data provided by highly 
educated, unbiased individuals with absolutely no agenda or financial interest, 
that humans are the cause of global warming and harm to the Earth.
We must all commit suicide in order to save the planet. You first :-
Best Wishes,

Roger Hale




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Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders

[Randy Bennell]

On 05/12/2011 8:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Hans Neureiter  writes:


And patiencently applied skill.
Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak
pont = end of threads).
If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below.

And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off,just wait
until you have an EZ-Out snaps off.  Don't ask me how I know.  Luckily
I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz.  Pretty much
everything else though.

Allan

That was when I got the new caliper! (not MB - old Suburban a number of 
years back)


Randy
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Re: [MBZ] spot on

[RELNGSON]

> Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> > OK it's my monthly time for a rap over the knuckles from Roger, so I'll
> > say that the 210 is very much a car that needs the right colour to look
> > good. Red and black are nice but silver and white are pukearama city.
> > And I reckon the rear end in a 210 lets it down badly, very bland, a la
> > toyota, etc...
> 
Not at all. We are in complete agreement here. The 210 front and rear are 
in complete styling disagreement. It's almost as though when the designers 
got to the back it was quitting time so they agreed to whack 'er off square 
and slap on some lights from stock and call it good. Yes, silver is it's worst 
color with white not far behind. On the othe hand, a black E55 does look 
great which it's bigger wheels and AMG body kit.

The 211 is a harmonious design but there are a few colors which do it no 
favors, either. BTW, don't expect too much from the early versions of Comand, 
either.

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Gerry Archer]

As a pragmatist, when someone says we should eliminate man-made earth 
and air pollution because it causes global warming I ask them "how.".

How do we persuade the power companies that have built, or are building,
something like 30 "dirty" coal-fired power plants in the U.S. over the past 
several years to tear down those plants or install expensive scrubbers?
How do we persuade the Chinese to do the same?
How do we persuade worldwide industry to spend trillions of dollars in the
prevention of their pollution?
How do we persuade the commercial transportation industry and auto industry
to switch to non-polluting sources of energy? 
and on and on.

Obviously no one has conclusive proof one way or the other about global 
warming and its causes, so the first thing to do is to determine how its
elimination can be accomplished if that is proven to become necessary.

Otherwise the discussion is moot.

Gerry.who has solved his own pollution problems with charcoal and HEPA
filters


>G Mann  writes:
>> Comparison with solar methods?  Not an apples to apples comparison.  Two
>> different sides of the "alternate energy" basket.  Solar to electric power
>> vs Bio-Diesel to BTU doesn't translate.  [or maybe I slept through that
>> class in college]
> 
> I think in a sense that the vegetable/plant material gets it's energy
> from the sun, you can view Bio-Diesel as an "indirect" solar fuel.  But
> in that sense almost everything is, except nuclear and geothermal.
> Allan
> 1983 300D
> 1979 300SD
Date: 12/06/11 
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Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I bet the caliper rebuilders love receiving those cores!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Randy Bennell  wrote:

On 05/12/2011 8:22 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
Hans Neureiter  writes:

And patiencently applied skill.
Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak
pont = end of threads).
If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below.
And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off,just wait
until you have an EZ-Out snaps off.  Don't ask me how I know.  Luckily
I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz.  Pretty much
everything else though.

Allan

That was when I got the new caliper! (not MB - old Suburban a number of years 
back)

Randy
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Re: [MBZ] Frankenheap brake hose/ anti-seize on brake bleeders

[Gerry Archer]

Probably not all rebuilders.  Rebuilder of a set I bought had
apparently drilled out and rethreaded the ports and installed
bigger bleeder valves that could only be loosened/tightened
with a U.S. size wrench.  Don't know if the threads were
metric or U.S.
Gerry

From: "Dimitri Seretakis" 

I bet the caliper rebuilders love receiving those cores!

Hans Neureiter  writes:
And patiencently applied skill.
Remember, soft steel (hex rounds off) and hollow (shears at the weak
pont = end of threads).
If all fails, Easy-Out. No drilling! Tapered seat below.



And if you think you're in a fix when the bleeder shears off,just wait
until you have an EZ-Out snaps off.  Don't ask me how I know.  Luckily
I've never had an issue with the bleeders on a Benz.  Pretty much
everything else though.
Allan

That was when I got the new caliper! (not MB - old Suburban a number of 
years back)


Randy
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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

You buying a 211?

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On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:21 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> Anybody have access to a 211 trunk?  I need interior dimensions to determine 
> if the space will accommodate my electric mobility scooter, which I now 
> easily disassemble in about 30 seconds and stow in trunk of my MB models 124 
> or 126.
> I need width between wheel wells, height, and depth/length front to back.
> 
> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Heating

[Randy Bennell]

Tell me more about this. Does the system not need oil because the 
compressor has oil in its crankcase?


My car was converted to 134 and I suspect the cans with oil in them were 
used. Could that be the problem? Anyone think it could be flushed out 
and re-charged and would work??


Randy in Winnipeg where it is cold enough that I won't need AC for a few 
days




On 05/12/2011 8:03 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Yorks are bullet proof._*bonus of not needing oil circulating in the
system, so better cooling!*_  ;)

Walt

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:




The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's website has gone 
dumb but I looked into this last summer when I thought the compressor in my 
240D had gone south) than the other type and when you add in the conversion kit 
and consider the amount you run the car the York is probably just as good a 
choice. I bet somebody could replace the valves in your York even cheaper.

I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill.

Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some serious cold. 
It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll know next year.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600
From: Randy Bennell
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating
Message-ID:<4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall
after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a bit
of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch!

Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is often
hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer.

The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much last
summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the compressor
must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are
about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing.

Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the
more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the
bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston
style pump.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Max]

Rich Thomas  wrote:

>Whoa, Max, you won't be getting any grants any time soon.
>

Won't be the first time, probably not the last time...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[G Mann]

Well, Roger finally took the argument to the moment of relevance.

That is the whole and exact point, isn't it, distilled. The warmist are
convinced that suicide is indeed about to happen in their lifetime and
trembling in fear that may be right.  Opposing argument is "So What, ya
wanna live forever".

Or another way to state it could be, "Man up and live a little in this
lifetime" or in the alternative "Stop using all these 'things' and maybe I
can live just a little longer" and if I tax you I can raise your pain level
to what I believe it should be so you will do it MY way.

NIMBY. Not In My Back Yard. applies.

Life is deadly. No one gets out of this lifetime alive. Everything gets
recycled in nature.
The oil and coal we burn and bitch about is made from the remains of long
dead 'things'. They died so we could recycle them. Our turn will come.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 11:08 AM,  wrote:

> WellI've read enough. It's apparent from all the data provided by
> highly educated, unbiased individuals with absolutely no agenda or
> financial interest, that humans are the cause of global warming and harm to
> the Earth.
> We must all commit suicide in order to save the planet. You first :-
> Best Wishes,
>
> Roger Hale
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

'Been studying one for coupla days; an '05 320CDI.  Anybody know where I can 
find interior dimensions of trunk?  'Don't say, "On the one I'm studying." 
It's in MD; I'm in NC.  Lazyass salesman said he couldn't tell me; 'said I 
could look it up on internet.  I asked, "Doesn't somebody there have a ruler 
or tape measurer?"  'Tried to tell 'im why it's important; he didn't seem to 
care.  I was close to making an offer; that may have cost him a sale today. 
I'm not buying a car that can't hold my scooter in the trunk as nicely as a 
124 and 126.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



You buying a 211?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:21 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:

Anybody have access to a 211 trunk?  I need interior dimensions to 
determine if the space will accommodate my electric mobility scooter, 
which I now easily disassemble in about 30 seconds and stow in trunk of 
my MB models 124 or 126.

I need width between wheel wells, height, and depth/length front to back.

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Heating

[WILTON]

FEW days?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating


Tell me more about this. Does the system not need oil because the 
compressor has oil in its crankcase?


My car was converted to 134 and I suspect the cans with oil in them were 
used. Could that be the problem? Anyone think it could be flushed out and 
re-charged and would work??


Randy in Winnipeg where it is cold enough that I won't need AC for a few 
days




On 05/12/2011 8:03 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Yorks are bullet proof._*bonus of not needing oil circulating in the
system, so better cooling!*_  ;)

Walt

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:



The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's website 
has gone dumb but I looked into this last summer when I thought the 
compressor in my 240D had gone south) than the other type and when you 
add in the conversion kit and consider the amount you run the car the 
York is probably just as good a choice. I bet somebody could replace the 
valves in your York even cheaper.


I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill.

Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some serious 
cold. It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll know next year.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600
From: Randy Bennell
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating
Message-ID:<4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall
after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a bit
of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch!

Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is often
hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer.

The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much last
summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the compressor
must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are
about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing.

Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the
more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the
bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston
style pump.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Allan Streib]

"WILTON"  writes:

> It's in MD; I'm in NC.  Lazyass salesman said he couldn't tell me;
> 'said I could look it up on internet.  I asked, "Doesn't somebody
> there have a ruler or tape measurer?"  'Tried to tell 'im why it's
> important; he didn't seem to care.

That would be enough to end the discussion for me.  There's always
another dealer, always another car.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:

Lazyass salesman said he couldn't  tell me; 'said I could look it up on 
internet.


Call in as a new prospect and see if you get a different salesman. No work, no 
commission.


Or, assuming that you manage to find the measurement without their help, deduct 
5-10% from your planned offer and fax it to the sales manager without indicating 
that you ever spoke to a salesman.


If EPA generalities help, a W124 has a 15 cubic foot trunk, W126 350SDL has 15, 
and W211 CDI has 14.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Heating

[Randy Bennell]

Yes sir. It will be a few days until April or May.

Randy

On 06/12/2011 5:02 PM, WILTON wrote:

FEW days?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating


Tell me more about this. Does the system not need oil because the 
compressor has oil in its crankcase?


My car was converted to 134 and I suspect the cans with oil in them 
were used. Could that be the problem? Anyone think it could be 
flushed out and re-charged and would work??


Randy in Winnipeg where it is cold enough that I won't need AC for a 
few days




On 05/12/2011 8:03 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Yorks are bullet proof._*bonus of not needing oil circulating in the
system, so better cooling!*_  ;)

Walt

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:



The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's 
website has gone dumb but I looked into this last summer when I 
thought the compressor in my 240D had gone south) than the other 
type and when you add in the conversion kit and consider the amount 
you run the car the York is probably just as good a choice. I bet 
somebody could replace the valves in your York even cheaper.


I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill.

Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some 
serious cold. It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll 
know next year.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600
From: Randy Bennell
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating
Message-ID:<4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall
after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a 
bit

of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch!

Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is 
often

hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer.

The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much 
last
summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the 
compressor

must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are
about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing.

Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the
more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the
bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston
style pump.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

I need the measurements that make up that volume; 'could be wide and short, 
long and low, etc.
I suspect it's about the same as 124, but I need to know; 'not gonna buy a 
car that has a problem hauling the scooter in 4 very manageable pieces.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Mitch Haley" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



WILTON wrote:
Lazyass salesman said he couldn't  tell me; 'said I could look it up on 
internet.


Call in as a new prospect and see if you get a different salesman. No 
work, no commission.


Or, assuming that you manage to find the measurement without their help, 
deduct 5-10% from your planned offer and fax it to the sales manager 
without indicating that you ever spoke to a salesman.


If EPA generalities help, a W124 has a 15 cubic foot trunk, W126 350SDL 
has 15, and W211 CDI has 14.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Heating

[WILTON]

Yes, it will; 'thought it was more like July, though.  ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Randy Bennell" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating




Yes sir. It will be a few days until April or May.

Randy

On 06/12/2011 5:02 PM, WILTON wrote:

FEW days?

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Randy Bennell" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating


Tell me more about this. Does the system not need oil because the 
compressor has oil in its crankcase?


My car was converted to 134 and I suspect the cans with oil in them 
were used. Could that be the problem? Anyone think it could be 
flushed out and re-charged and would work??


Randy in Winnipeg where it is cold enough that I won't need AC for a 
few days




On 05/12/2011 8:03 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Yorks are bullet proof._*bonus of not needing oil circulating in the
system, so better cooling!*_  ;)

Walt

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Curt Raymond 
wrote:



The York compressors aren't that much more expensive (Rusty's 
website has gone dumb but I looked into this last summer when I 
thought the compressor in my 240D had gone south) than the other 
type and when you add in the conversion kit and consider the amount 
you run the car the York is probably just as good a choice. I bet 
somebody could replace the valves in your York even cheaper.


I lucked out, mine just needs a hose, a drier and vacuum/refill.

Supposedly the York, when operating correctly will produce some 
serious cold. It sucks down HP but really does a good job. I'll 
know next year.


-Curt

Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 11:18:27 -0600
From: Randy Bennell
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Heating
Message-ID:<4edcfce3.4090...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


We only get the scorched air smell when we first fire up in the fall
after the heat has been sitting off for months. Then it burns off a 
bit

of dust in the first few minutes. After that, no scorch!

Actually, we are an area of extremes. Winter is cold and summer is 
often

hot. We ran the AC a lot last summer.

The heat is also one of the reasons that I did not run my car much 
last
summer. My AC is no longer working. I think the valves in the 
compressor

must have given up as it has a charge but the high and low sides are
about even meaning I assume that it is not compressing.

Anyone have an opinion on the pros and cons of doing the swap to the
more modern sytle compressor? I see ads for a conversion with the
bracket to mount the round GM style unit in place of the old piston
style pump.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Curt Raymond]

Several, the answers generally reflecting who funded the study.

The studies done by big oil or the hater groups say bio-d is terrible and uses 
as much energy as it brings in. They'll study using soy oil grown in the desert 
with intensive irrigation using deep well pumps and plowed fields. They'll 
include factors like recovering sediment that runs off after they plow or 
over-water and they'll assume the left over  stuff after they're done is thrown 
away.

The bio-d lovers will extract oil from used coffee beans or assume used oil can 
be collected in greater volume than actually exists and assume it isn't used 
for any other purpose...

I figure the reality is somewhere in between, bio-d has a use and can fill a 
small need. It isn't a silver bullet but a piece of the pie. 

I've read promising sounding results from both extracting oil from coffee 
grounds left over from large coffee-drink production and from algae. Neither is 
a perfect solution but the results sound hopeful.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:05:29 -0500
From: "Scott and Gwen Ritchey" 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming
Message-ID: <76D8FB99810F4D1DB7641B6D9C0FE6CC@ScottPC>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"


Has anyone read an analysis of how bio-Diesel stacks up?  Economically?
Energy efficiency (BTU to produce vs BTU produced)?  Comparison to other
solar methods?


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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Curt Raymond]

Its cool to read somebody who knows something about it when they say "its 
complicated".

The interesting thing in this is seeing folks make bio-d out of regionally 
available sources rather than just growing soy... I'd like to see the same 
thing with ethanol like how they use sugar cane in Brazil. Sugar beets grow 
well in northern Maine, theres lots of fallow farmland in northern Maine, it'd 
be nice to see ethanol made from sugar beets...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:57:22 -0700
From: G Mann 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming
Message-ID:

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Very complex question. Bio-Diesel can be made from almost any vegetable
oil, and all vegetables have oil. Each vegetable oil source has a different
energy cost to cultivate, harvest, and rate of return [ie. pounds of oil v
pounds of plant product]. Cost to produce feed stock oil for one vegetable
oil type can vary widely compared to another. Many factors come into play
in setting that price/cost ratio.

The actual trans-esterfication process is a "chemical refining process" in
large part and quite efficient if done with good controls on a commercial
scale.

BTU per pound of ASTM Spec, Bio-Diesel is closely on par with BTU per pound
of "Dino-Diesel", unlike the gasoline/ethanol yield energy ratio.

Comparison with solar methods?  Not an apples to apples comparison.  Two
different sides of the "alternate energy" basket.  Solar to electric power
vs Bio-Diesel to BTU doesn't translate.  [or maybe I slept through that
class in college]

As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest capacity
Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a design
capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be said, "I
speak the Bio-Diesel language".

Grant...
AZ "Where diesels roam free"


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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Curt Raymond]

You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you consider a 
fair price. If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to measure the 
trunk I can't be bothered to buy the car".

I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.

On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody that can't 
be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.


BTW how far are you from Charlotte? I've got to go to Greenville, SC again, 
this time I'm renting a car in Charlotte and driving down.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:00:57 -0500
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
reply-type=original

'Been studying one for coupla days; an '05 320CDI.  Anybody know where I can
find interior dimensions of trunk?  'Don't say, "On the one I'm studying."
It's in MD; I'm in NC.  Lazyass salesman said he couldn't tell me; 'said I
could look it up on internet.  I asked, "Doesn't somebody there have a ruler
or tape measurer?"  'Tried to tell 'im why it's important; he didn't seem to
care.  I was close to making an offer; that may have cost him a sale today.
I'm not buying a car that can't hold my scooter in the trunk as nicely as a
124 and 126.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:

You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you consider a fair price. 
If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to measure the trunk I can't be bothered 
to buy the car".

I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.

On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody that can't 
be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.


If it's the one at Valley Motors it's a bit of a pity. Low miles, one owner, 
decent price, purchased from and always serviced by Valley Motors, one wreck 
that sounds like the PO backed into another car in a parking lot.


http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=ATD_W&vin=-78|-92|-80|22|-106|-64|43|-81|113|-40|29|110|-11|-120|-3|44|-114|-121|-15|28|81|-112|5|-46

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Dec 6, 2011 3:13 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote:
>
> "WILTON"  writes:
>
> > It's in MD; I'm in NC.  Lazyass salesman said he couldn't tell me;
> > 'said I could look it up on internet.  I asked, "Doesn't somebody
> > there have a ruler or tape measurer?"  'Tried to tell 'im why it's
> > important; he didn't seem to care.
>
> That would be enough to end the discussion for me.  There's always
> another dealer, always another car.

It's amazing to me how little effort salespeople are willing to put in to
make their commissions, even in this economy.  A local car lot has a diesel
W140, decent looking, that they've posted on Craigslist periodically for
the past six months or so.  I've sent them a few e-mails asking if it has
any service records and if they can tell me the VIN (hoping to determine
whether it has been de-rodbendered).  No response, of course.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If it's at a dealer call back ask to speak to the Gm let him know you were 
interested but xxx salesman would not be bothered to measure the trunk 

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:00 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> 'Been studying one for coupla days; an '05 320CDI.  Anybody know where I can 
> find interior dimensions of trunk?  'Don't say, "On the one I'm studying." 
> It's in MD; I'm in NC.  Lazyass salesman said he couldn't tell me; 'said I 
> could look it up on internet.  I asked, "Doesn't somebody there have a ruler 
> or tape measurer?"  'Tried to tell 'im why it's important; he didn't seem to 
> care.  I was close to making an offer; that may have cost him a sale today. 
> I'm not buying a car that can't hold my scooter in the trunk as nicely as a 
> 124 and 126.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211
> 
> 
>> You buying a 211?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2011, at 9:21 AM, "WILTON"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Anybody have access to a 211 trunk?  I need interior dimensions to 
>>> determine if the space will accommodate my electric mobility scooter, which 
>>> I now easily disassemble in about 30 seconds and stow in trunk of my MB 
>>> models 124 or 126.
>>> I need width between wheel wells, height, and depth/length front to back.
>>> 
>>> Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Mike Esh]

And let's not forget about the waste vegetable oil users.  A small percentage 
of the whole and if done correctly, a safe and effective way reduce carbon 
emissions.  It has also reduced my fuel expense by 75% over the last 3 years.  
60,000 miles / 20 mpg * $3.50 per gallon = $10,500.  Minus investment of $3,000 
and cost to produce of 10 cents per gallon.  The only trouble I am having with 
vehicle is the hvac!
Sincerely,
Mike

Michael E. Esh


On Dec 6, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Its cool to read somebody who knows something about it when they say "its 
> complicated".
> 
> The interesting thing in this is seeing folks make bio-d out of regionally 
> available sources rather than just growing soy... I'd like to see the same 
> thing with ethanol like how they use sugar cane in Brazil. Sugar beets grow 
> well in northern Maine, theres lots of fallow farmland in northern Maine, 
> it'd be nice to see ethanol made from sugar beets...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:57:22 -0700
> From: G Mann 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> Very complex question. Bio-Diesel can be made from almost any vegetable
> oil, and all vegetables have oil. Each vegetable oil source has a different
> energy cost to cultivate, harvest, and rate of return [ie. pounds of oil v
> pounds of plant product]. Cost to produce feed stock oil for one vegetable
> oil type can vary widely compared to another. Many factors come into play
> in setting that price/cost ratio.
> 
> The actual trans-esterfication process is a "chemical refining process" in
> large part and quite efficient if done with good controls on a commercial
> scale.
> 
> BTU per pound of ASTM Spec, Bio-Diesel is closely on par with BTU per pound
> of "Dino-Diesel", unlike the gasoline/ethanol yield energy ratio.
> 
> Comparison with solar methods?  Not an apples to apples comparison.  Two
> different sides of the "alternate energy" basket.  Solar to electric power
> vs Bio-Diesel to BTU doesn't translate.  [or maybe I slept through that
> class in college]
> 
> As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest capacity
> Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a design
> capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be said, "I
> speak the Bio-Diesel language".
> 
> Grant...
> AZ "Where diesels roam free"
> 
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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[G Mann]

There is plenty of vegetable oil in the world. Palm oil is one that's
available in the billions of gallons in nature [think palm trees in third
world countries]. The issue is how do you collect and process it to bring
it to market in USA or Europe.  Same issues for every other veg oil. The
support infrastructure simply hasn't been built yet to "feed" large scale
production in the billions of gallons yet.

ASTM 6751- XX [the latest - #] spec Bio-Diesel requires no engine
modifications to run. It goes from the pump to the end use anywhere
Dino-Diesel is used [with some adjustment for gell point]. That is on the
plus side.

On the negative side. There is not yet enough of it to make much of a
splash in the market place. Trucking uses fuel in the millions of gallons
per day.. Airlines also... some airliners are being flown with Bio-Diesel
on a "test basis"... the military is also using it and has put out
contracts for supply.

Ethanol, on the other hand, does require engine management system
modification to run properly, produces less BTU than gasoline [so you need
more gallons to make miles]. The return on energy vs BTU is still
marginal... without government money, every Ethanol plant would close in a
month.  That said.. it's problems are being worked.. in time perhaps,
success.

Grant...
AZ...

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:08 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Several, the answers generally reflecting who funded the study.
>
> The studies done by big oil or the hater groups say bio-d is terrible and
> uses as much energy as it brings in. They'll study using soy oil grown in
> the desert with intensive irrigation using deep well pumps and plowed
> fields. They'll include factors like recovering sediment that runs off
> after they plow or over-water and they'll assume the left over  stuff after
> they're done is thrown away.
>
> The bio-d lovers will extract oil from used coffee beans or assume used
> oil can be collected in greater volume than actually exists and assume it
> isn't used for any other purpose...
>
> I figure the reality is somewhere in between, bio-d has a use and can fill
> a small need. It isn't a silver bullet but a piece of the pie.
>
> I've read promising sounding results from both extracting oil from coffee
> grounds left over from large coffee-drink production and from algae.
> Neither is a perfect solution but the results sound hopeful.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:05:29 -0500
> From: "Scott and Gwen Ritchey" 
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming
> Message-ID: <76D8FB99810F4D1DB7641B6D9C0FE6CC@ScottPC>
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>
>
> Has anyone read an analysis of how bio-Diesel stacks up?  Economically?
> Energy efficiency (BTU to produce vs BTU produced)?  Comparison to other
> solar methods?
>
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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

Yep, that's it.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



Curt Raymond wrote:
You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you consider 
a fair price. If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to 
measure the trunk I can't be bothered to buy the car".


I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.

On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody that 
can't be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.


If it's the one at Valley Motors it's a bit of a pity. Low miles, one 
owner, decent price, purchased from and always serviced by Valley Motors, 
one wreck that sounds like the PO backed into another car in a parking 
lot.


http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=ATD_W&vin=-78|-92|-80|22|-106|-64|43|-81|113|-40|29|110|-11|-120|-3|44|-114|-121|-15|28|81|-112|5|-46

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

200 mi.; 'was there Thanksgiving Day at daughter's home.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211


You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you consider 
a fair price. If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to 
measure the trunk I can't be bothered to buy the car".


I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.

On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody that 
can't be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.



BTW how far are you from Charlotte? I've got to go to Greenville, SC 
again, this time I'm renting a car in Charlotte and driving down.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:00:57 -0500
From: "WILTON" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
   reply-type=original

'Been studying one for coupla days; an '05 320CDI.  Anybody know where I 
can

find interior dimensions of trunk?  'Don't say, "On the one I'm studying."
It's in MD; I'm in NC.  Lazyass salesman said he couldn't tell me; 'said I
could look it up on internet.  I asked, "Doesn't somebody there have a 
ruler
or tape measurer?"  'Tried to tell 'im why it's important; he didn't seem 
to
care.  I was close to making an offer; that may have cost him a sale 
today.
I'm not buying a car that can't hold my scooter in the trunk as nicely as 
a

124 and 126.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[John Freer]

Wilton
the W211 had a dual rear seatback folding option which would probably
handle your needs very well if only you could find a salesman to check
that out.

John

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM, WILTON  wrote:
> Yep, that's it.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211
>
>
>> Curt Raymond wrote:
>>>
>>> You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you consider
>>> a fair price. If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to
>>> measure the trunk I can't be bothered to buy the car".
>>>
>>> I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.
>>>
>>> On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody that
>>> can't be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.
>>
>>
>> If it's the one at Valley Motors it's a bit of a pity. Low miles, one
>> owner, decent price, purchased from and always serviced by Valley Motors,
>> one wreck that sounds like the PO backed into another car in a parking lot.
>>
>>
>> http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=ATD_W&vin=-78|-92|-80|22|-106|-64|43|-81|113|-40|29|110|-11|-120|-3|44|-114|-121|-15|28|81|-112|5|-46
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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

I think the trunk alone would handle my needs very nicely, but no money will 
exchange until I know.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "John Freer" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



Wilton
the W211 had a dual rear seatback folding option which would probably
handle your needs very well if only you could find a salesman to check
that out.

John

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM, WILTON  wrote:

Yep, that's it.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



Curt Raymond wrote:


You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you 
consider

a fair price. If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to
measure the trunk I can't be bothered to buy the car".

I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.

On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody that
can't be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.



If it's the one at Valley Motors it's a bit of a pity. Low miles, one
owner, decent price, purchased from and always serviced by Valley 
Motors,
one wreck that sounds like the PO backed into another car in a parking 
lot.



http://www.carfax.com/VehicleHistory/p/Report.cfx?partner=ATD_W&vin=-78|-92|-80|22|-106|-64|43|-81|113|-40|29|110|-11|-120|-3|44|-114|-121|-15|28|81|-112|5|-46

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Mitch Haley]

John Freer wrote:

Wilton
the W211 had a dual rear seatback folding option which would probably
handle your needs very well if only you could find a salesman to check
that out.


Where's the fuel tank?

Anybody know if WDBUF26J05A694121 has that option?

With a lot of newer cars, the issue isn't what fits in the trunk, but what 
passes through the trunk opening.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Mitch Haley]

WILTON wrote:
I think the trunk alone would handle my needs very nicely, but no money 
will exchange until I know.


Have you driven a 211?
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=311819492

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Mitch Haley]

Mitch Haley wrote:


Have you driven a 211?
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=311819492



Or better yet:
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=298747386

Just remember that the W211 was restyled in 2007, and I don't know if the trunk 
opening is exactly identical in a 2007 and a 2005. But if you have plenty of 
room in a 2007 I'm sure you can cram it into a 2005.


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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[OK Don]

Is the 2012 E class a 211, or another chassis?

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>  Have you driven a 211?
>> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/**vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=311819492
>>
>>
> Or better yet:
> http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/**vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=298747386
>
> Just remember that the W211 was restyled in 2007, and I don't know if the
> trunk opening is exactly identical in a 2007 and a 2005. But if you have
> plenty of room in a 2007 I'm sure you can cram it into a 2005.
>
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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

No; 'may hafta go do that.

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



WILTON wrote:
I think the trunk alone would handle my needs very nicely, but no money 
will exchange until I know.


Have you driven a 211?
http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=u&car_id=311819492

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:

Is the 2012 E class a 211, or another chassis?


W212 came out around 2009.

If I were Wilton, I'd take a look at the one at Deacon Jones Kia, then I'd get 
the fax number or direct email address for the GM at Valley Motors, send him a 
$18k offer under the condition that he take a $500 deposit via credit card, 
refundable if Wilton is there in person within five days and the car fails his 
personal inspection. I'd mention that the last new car I bought was an S class 
which I still owned, I'm serious about the car, I do not want to deal with any 
salesman, and that goes double for Mr xxx who almost convinced me not to try to 
do business with Valley. Signed, Lt Col WW Strickland, USAF Ret.


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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Mitch Haley]

Well, it took some looking but I found the GM's name.
http://valleymotorsmercedes.com/Military-Discount/

Still don't know the name and email for the used manager.


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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

That's about what I've had in mind all afternoon.  Thanks for tip on local 
211 at Deacon Jones.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



OK Don wrote:

Is the 2012 E class a 211, or another chassis?


W212 came out around 2009.

If I were Wilton, I'd take a look at the one at Deacon Jones Kia, then I'd 
get the fax number or direct email address for the GM at Valley Motors, 
send him a $18k offer under the condition that he take a $500 deposit via 
credit card, refundable if Wilton is there in person within five days and 
the car fails his personal inspection. I'd mention that the last new car I 
bought was an S class which I still owned, I'm serious about the car, I do 
not want to deal with any salesman, and that goes double for Mr xxx who 
almost convinced me not to try to do business with Valley. Signed, Lt Col 
WW Strickland, USAF Ret.


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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

Thanks!  You're really on top of it, aren't you?

Wilton

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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



Well, it took some looking but I found the GM's name.
http://valleymotorsmercedes.com/Military-Discount/

Still don't know the name and email for the used manager.


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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Allan Streib]

Mike Esh  writes:

> And let's not forget about the waste vegetable oil users.  A small
> percentage of the whole and if done correctly, a safe and effective
> way reduce carbon emissions.

Any bio-fuel (biodiesel or ethanol) is pretty much carbon-neutral unless
it take more energy to produce than it yields.  I have nothing against
bio-fuels per se, but think it's not a good idea to use food crops (or
land that would otherwise be growing food crops) for fuel as it just
makes food that much more expensive.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Mountain Man]

Grant wrote:
> As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest capacity
> Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a design
> capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be said, "I
> speak the Bio-Diesel language".

Does that make you... evil?
Is bio-diesel good or bad for my 240D? - not that I have a choice...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Rich Thomas]

Only problem is that the growers are burning down the forests to make 
land to grow palms, then the soil gets played out, then nothing can 
grow, then the soil washes away, then the people starve because they 
can't grow food


But, then again, maybe that fixes the problem, at least "over there."

--R

On 12/6/11 8:21 PM, G Mann wrote:

There is plenty of vegetable oil in the world. Palm oil is one that's
available in the billions of gallons in nature [think palm trees in third
world countries]. The issue is how do you collect and process it to bring
it to market in USA or Europe.  Same issues for every other veg oil. The
support infrastructure simply hasn't been built yet to "feed" large scale
production in the billions of gallons yet.


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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
> And salmon sex...

This isn't banned.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Mountain Man]

Dan wrote:
> I did some work at both the Glines and Condit dams back in the early 90s, 
> both of which are pretty small (100-200 feet) and only produce about 15 MW 
> each.
>

I did work on competing FERC license for 5MW at Ruedi for Aspen in '79.
Also micro-hydro studies along rivers in Aspen.
How does hydro not win in greenie neighborhoods, yet they don't win
anywhere anymore.
Shall we freeze in the dark?
Ethanol, hydrocracking, wind, coal are better?
Shall we keep this the longest running thread?
Moose sex...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Mountain Man]

andrew wrote:
> This thread refuses to die...

This is the okie-f***-green forum.
We are discussing diesel mercedes at the okie-warmist forum.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Mountain Man]

Andrew wrote:
> Well, that's one possible solution, although I don't support it on a personal 
> level.

Yeah.
I say, let's take fewer showers.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Dieselhead]

Grant wrote:

 As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest capacity
 Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a design
 capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be said, "I

 > speak the Bio-Diesel language".


What was the feedstock?  Only thing I can think of in that capacity 
is perhaps soy oil.  If all the yellow grease in the country was sent 
to this plant, as near as I can determine it would only run this 
plant 2 months.


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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Mountain Man]

Randy wrote:
> Lots of things I don't support on a personal level. I did not create the
> problem. I will not be able to solve the problem. I try to do my bit not to
> make things a whole lot worse, but that does not mean I am prepared to give
> up my creature comforts.

I am with you entirely.
But, I think we really do need to all sacrifice.
What you sacrifice is up to each of us but sacrifice is really necessary.
I just took the M1911A1 to my youngest.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Peter Frederick]

Bio-diesel is excellent fuel, burns very clean, less smoke, less  
knock.  Poisonous to bacteria, in general, and they cannot metabolize  
it much, so they won't grow in the tank.


Used vegetable oil, on the other hand, is not so nice.  Contains lots  
of phosphates, hence makes ash, tends to gum things up and to make  
excessive varnish and grunge in the IP, tends to burn poorly and  
carbon up the rings, and bacteria love to eat it in the tank.  That  
means, of course, "algae" clogging tank screens, line, filters, and  
fuel senders along with crap in the injectors.  Bad mojo.


Peter

On Dec 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Mountain Man wrote:


Grant wrote:
As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest  
capacity
Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a  
design
capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be  
said, "I

speak the Bio-Diesel language".


Does that make you... evil?
Is bio-diesel good or bad for my 240D? - not that I have a choice...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Emails And Assclowns

[Mountain Man]

Bob R wrote:
> Alrightif he was hacked I retrack my assclown labling.

He needs to abandon that addy, Kleb needs to blacklist that addy, and
we can live.
Death is what makes life available - let that account die.  Gmail is still free.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Dieselhead]

Grant wrote:

 As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest capacity
 Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a design
 capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be said, "I

 > speak the Bio-Diesel language".


What was the feedstock?  Only thing I can think of in that capacity 
is perhaps soy oil.  If all the yellow grease in the country was sent 
to this plant, as near as I can determine it would only run this 
plant 2 months.


Biggest plant in the country right now from the info I can find is:
RBF Port Neches LLC 
Port Neches 
TX 
multifeedstock 
180 Million GPY


 that translates to 15MM Gallons per month.

If the 240 MM GPY plant is not operating, it would not be on this list:
http://www.biodieselmagazine.com/plants/listplants/USA/

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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Curt Raymond]

Thats only true if all the available ground is being used to grow food for 
eating. If there is land sitting fallow it could be used for fuel production.

I for instance have acreage that could be used for fuel production which isn't. 
Soybeans don't get grown in northern Maine, I dunno if the ground is unsuitable 
or if its just a lack of soybean growing tradition but theres got to be another 
oil crop (sunflowers?) we could grow...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:46:29 -0500
From: Allan Streib 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming
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Mike Esh  writes:

> And let's not forget about the waste vegetable oil users.  A small
> percentage of the whole and if done correctly, a safe and effective
> way reduce carbon emissions.

Any bio-fuel (biodiesel or ethanol) is pretty much carbon-neutral unless
it take more energy to produce than it yields.  I have nothing against
bio-fuels per se, but think it's not a good idea to use food crops (or
land that would otherwise be growing food crops) for fuel as it just
makes food that much more expensive.

Allan
-- 
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1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Curt Raymond]

Part of our acreage in Maine is along a river. My dad keeps talking about 
building a house there (its the only part that also has road frontage). If/when 
we do there will be a rather sizable microhydro there too which should easily 
run the whole house with some power to sell back to the power company.

Interestingly my ancestors had a shingle mill there back in the 1800s that was 
also powered by the river.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:06:41 -0600
From: Mountain Man 
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Dan wrote:
> I did some work at both the Glines and Condit dams back in the early 90s, 
> both of which are pretty small (100-200 feet) and only produce about 15 MW 
> each.
>

I did work on competing FERC license for 5MW at Ruedi for Aspen in '79.
Also micro-hydro studies along rivers in Aspen.
How does hydro not win in greenie neighborhoods, yet they don't win
anywhere anymore.
Shall we freeze in the dark?
Ethanol, hydrocracking, wind, coal are better?
Shall we keep this the longest running thread?
Moose sex...
mao


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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Rich Thomas]

Some woman here in SC developed some sort of huge mutant sweet potato 
sort of thing that apparently makes pretty good ethanol, grows easily in 
poor soil, and requires minimal intervention.  I think one of the 
universities is doing some testing of them.


--R  (who likes his ethanol from barley)

On 12/6/11 10:30 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Thats only true if all the available ground is being used to grow food for 
eating. If there is land sitting fallow it could be used for fuel production.

I for instance have acreage that could be used for fuel production which isn't. 
Soybeans don't get grown in northern Maine, I dunno if the ground is unsuitable 
or if its just a lack of soybean growing tradition but theres got to be another 
oil crop (sunflowers?) we could grow...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:46:29 -0500
From: Allan Streib
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Mike Esh  writes:


And let's not forget about the waste vegetable oil users.  A small
percentage of the whole and if done correctly, a safe and effective
way reduce carbon emissions.

Any bio-fuel (biodiesel or ethanol) is pretty much carbon-neutral unless
it take more energy to produce than it yields.  I have nothing against
bio-fuels per se, but think it's not a good idea to use food crops (or
land that would otherwise be growing food crops) for fuel as it just
makes food that much more expensive.

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Dieselhead]

Food VS Fuel is a straw horse.  How many of you ate boiled soybeans 
for supper?  How many of you have #2 yellow dent corn in your pantry? 
The "food" used for fuel is animal feed and industrial ingredients, 
not food.  That straw horse was put up by the oil industry, and other 
groups opposed to home grown fuel.


There are thousands of acres outside the cornbelt that are fallow 
because there is no crop that makes economic sense.  Curt mentions 
Maine.  All across the North, there are fields that used to grow 
spuds and other crops that could grow fuel crops or food and fuel 
crops.  Similarly, in the south there are thousands or millions of 
acres that are unused for the same reason.  They used to grow sweet 
potatoes, melons, cotton, oats and other crops that now don't make 
economic sense.


IN the north, cops like yellowhorn, sugarbeets, and hemp make sense. 
In the drier central parts, camolina and sunflowers make sense.  IN 
the south, castor makes sense.


Sugarbeets, hemp, sorghum, sunflower and castor all will generate 
both oil and cellulosic ethanol with technologies we have available 
now; and without subsidy, unlike the heavily subsidized oil industry.


The big money is foolishly chasing corn stover for cellulosic 
ethanol, but that takes a toll on soil fertility and organic matter.


I know of two owners in the dakotas, one who let 20,000 acres lay 
this year, another who left 15,000 acres lay, because one of the big 
two "agribiz" processors would not give then a contract to grow 
sunflowers.  I know of thousands of acres in WI that has nothing 
grown on it for 30 years.  I know there are thousands and thousands 
of acres in the south that have no crops to grow.




Thats only true if all the available ground is being used to grow 
food for eating. If there is land sitting fallow it could be used 
for fuel production.


I for instance have acreage that could be used for fuel production 
which isn't. Soybeans don't get grown in northern Maine, I dunno if 
the ground is unsuitable or if its just a lack of soybean growing 
tradition but theres got to be another oil crop (sunflowers?) we 
could grow...


-Curt

Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 21:46:29 -0500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] global warming
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Mike Esh  writes:


 And let's not forget about the waste vegetable oil users.  A small
 percentage of the whole and if done correctly, a safe and effective
 way reduce carbon emissions.


Any bio-fuel (biodiesel or ethanol) is pretty much carbon-neutral unless
it take more energy to produce than it yields.  I have nothing against
bio-fuels per se, but think it's not a good idea to use food crops (or
land that would otherwise be growing food crops) for fuel as it just
makes food that much more expensive.

Allan
--
1983 300D
1979 300SD

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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

So what are you going to do with the 124 and 126 if you get this car?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2011, at 7:35 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

> I think the trunk alone would handle my needs very nicely, but no money will 
> exchange until I know.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "John Freer" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211
> 
> 
>> Wilton
>> the W211 had a dual rear seatback folding option which would probably
>> handle your needs very well if only you could find a salesman to check
>> that out.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM, WILTON  wrote:
>>> Yep, that's it.
>>> 
>>> Wilton
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:39 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211
>>> 
>>> 
 Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
> You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you consider
> a fair price. If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to
> measure the trunk I can't be bothered to buy the car".
> 
> I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.
> 
> On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody that
> can't be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.
 
 
 If it's the one at Valley Motors it's a bit of a pity. Low miles, one
 owner, decent price, purchased from and always serviced by Valley Motors,
 one wreck that sounds like the PO backed into another car in a parking lot.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[WILTON]

IF I get it, I'll keep the 124, make somebody a good deal on the 126.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



So what are you going to do with the 124 and 126 if you get this car?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2011, at 7:35 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

I think the trunk alone would handle my needs very nicely, but no money 
will exchange until I know.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "John Freer" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



Wilton
the W211 had a dual rear seatback folding option which would probably
handle your needs very well if only you could find a salesman to check
that out.

John

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 5:24 PM, WILTON  wrote:

Yep, that's it.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Mitch Haley" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB 211



Curt Raymond wrote:


You should make an offer like "Would you accept x" with what you 
consider

a fair price. If he accepts you say "Well if you can't be bothered to
measure the trunk I can't be bothered to buy the car".

I bet he climbs in the trunk in a hurry.

On the other hand I'm not sure you want to buy a car from somebody 
that

can't be bothered to get that kind of measurement for you.



If it's the one at Valley Motors it's a bit of a pity. Low miles, one
owner, decent price, purchased from and always serviced by Valley 
Motors,
one wreck that sounds like the PO backed into another car in a parking 
lot.



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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Max]

"Kaleb C. Striplin"  wrote:

>So what are you going to do with the 124 and 126 if you get this car?
>
>
He's selling them.to me!
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'95 E300, '87 300TD
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Re: [MBZ] global warming

[Dimitri Seretakis]

I use biodiesel here and there in varying concentrations up to 100%. I've been 
using it for years. I never once had a problem with the stuff. I'd use it a lot 
more if I had a conveniently located filling station!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Peter Frederick  wrote:

Bio-diesel is excellent fuel, burns very clean, less smoke, less knock.  
Poisonous to bacteria, in general, and they cannot metabolize it much, so they 
won't grow in the tank.

Used vegetable oil, on the other hand, is not so nice.  Contains lots of 
phosphates, hence makes ash, tends to gum things up and to make excessive 
varnish and grunge in the IP, tends to burn poorly and carbon up the rings, and 
bacteria love to eat it in the tank.  That means, of course, "algae" clogging 
tank screens, line, filters, and fuel senders along with crap in the injectors. 
 Bad mojo.

Peter

On Dec 6, 2011, at 8:51 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Grant wrote:
As it happens, I designed, built, and got certified, the largest capacity
Bio-Diesel commercial plant is USA [at the 2007 time frame] with a design
capacity of 20,000,000 gallon per month capacity.  So it can be said, "I
speak the Bio-Diesel language".

Does that make you... evil?
Is bio-diesel good or bad for my 240D? - not that I have a choice...
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Do you live in Maine?!!

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On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Part of our acreage in Maine is along a river. My dad keeps talking about 
building a house there (its the only part that also has road frontage). If/when 
we do there will be a rather sizable microhydro there too which should easily 
run the whole house with some power to sell back to the power company.

Interestingly my ancestors had a shingle mill there back in the 1800s that was 
also powered by the river.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:06:41 -0600
From: Mountain Man 
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Dan wrote:
I did some work at both the Glines and Condit dams back in the early 90s, both 
of which are pretty small (100-200 feet) and only produce about 15 MW each.


I did work on competing FERC license for 5MW at Ruedi for Aspen in '79.
Also micro-hydro studies along rivers in Aspen.
How does hydro not win in greenie neighborhoods, yet they don't win
anywhere anymore.
Shall we freeze in the dark?
Ethanol, hydrocracking, wind, coal are better?
Shall we keep this the longest running thread?
Moose sex...
mao


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Re: [MBZ] W212

[RELNGSON]

> Is the 2012 E class a 211, or another chassis?..
> 
W212 is a completely new car. Two carryover engines.

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Andrew and global warming

[Dieselhead]

No he escaped!

In the 70s, the state of Wisconsin put out a bumper sticker to 
promote tourism.  It said "Escape to Wisconsin."  It was meant for 
FIBs.  However in the northern counties, a lot of locals cut them 
apart and put parts on their bumpers:  "Escape Wisconsin."




Do you live in Maine?!!

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 6, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Part of our acreage in Maine is along a river. My dad keeps talking 
about building a house there (its the only part that also has road 
frontage). If/when we do there will be a rather sizable microhydro 
there too which should easily run the whole house with some power to 
sell back to the power company.


Interestingly my ancestors had a shingle mill there back in the 
1800s that was also powered by the river.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:06:41 -0600
From: Mountain Man 
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Dan wrote:
I did some work at both the Glines and Condit dams back in the early 
90s, both of which are pretty small (100-200 feet) and only produce 
about 15 MW each.



I did work on competing FERC license for 5MW at Ruedi for Aspen in '79.
Also micro-hydro studies along rivers in Aspen.
How does hydro not win in greenie neighborhoods, yet they don't win
anywhere anymore.
Shall we freeze in the dark?
Ethanol, hydrocracking, wind, coal are better?
Shall we keep this the longest running thread?
Moose sex...
mao


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Re: [MBZ] W212

[Dieselhead]

And truly UGLY in the front


 > Is the 2012 E class a 211, or another chassis?..



W212 is a completely new car. Two carryover engines.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] MB 211

[Craig]

On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:18:18 -0500 "WILTON"  wrote:

> Thanks!  You're really on top of it, aren't you?

He sure is. Mitch is very helpful that way.


Craig

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