date:20130704

There are a coupla SDs in the knackers near me, I think one of them had 
a bad tranny as there were empty tranny fluid bottles in the car, the 
other one, who knows?  It would be a bugger to get one out from there 
though, and not knowing the condition would be quite iffy.


Wonder if any of those cars that got their engines destroyed during the 
cash for clunkers debacle are still around?


--R


On 7/4/13 9:00 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote:

To all,
It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift up 
from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't 
feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's age, 
etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new)
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique)

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

2013-07-04 Thread Craig

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 01:00:43 + (UTC) roger...@comcast.net wrote:

> Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't feel
> like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's
> age, etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found
> little. Thanks for any suggestions. 

Kaleb?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-04 Thread Dwight Giles

I don't know  how far or how fast- I do know when I do my 70 mile each  way
 commute on I95 it stays clean. About 300 miles/week @ 70- 80 mph. My
recently  acquired 300CD  had same problem. My late father- former truck
driver used to tell me  " son  drive a diesel like you stole it".

On Thursday, July 4, 2013, Larry T  wrote:
> Thanks - That'll be easy enough to fix.
>
> My wife drives approx32 mi RT to& From work -- it's mostly 45 and 55MPH -
would that be enough to keep it clean?  I have no problem taking it apart -
just wondering...
>
> LarryT
>
> On 7/4/2013 8:35 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
>
> Larry,
> when the turbo in my 90 2.5t has stopped spooling- both times it has been
> crud in the pipe from the manifold. Happened twice in 8 years-was when I
> was not driving it hard on hiway. FWIW,
> Dwight
>
> On Thursday, July 4, 2013, Larry T  wrote:
>
> Hi Chris & Gang,
>  Yeah, that kind of dawned on me yesterday & I appreciate the
>
> confirmation.  i looked around for vacuum hoses or wires that might be
> loose.  I didn't see anything and the suction gizmo adjacent to the
> manifold going to the turbo - i think it's called < vacuum unit>> but will need to study the WSM a little more - at least it
> looks like it is operating properly.  I removed the hose and put another
> hose on it then put a vacuum on it and the flap moved. At least
> everything is at a place that is easy to reach - no climbing under the
car,
> etc.  - at least it doesn't look that way yet.
>
> I kinda think it _/has /_to be the turbo because I see little (no?)
>
> difference in acceleration when I pull it back to 2.
>
>  In a way that's kind of a relief - not having tranny trouble is good
>
> news.  Plus, I doubt the Turbo has blown because it would have made lots
of
> noise and smoke
>
> But I still need to find the problem regardless of where it is.  Hmm..  I
>
> wonder if there's a fuse involved?  ;-^  - that'd be nice.
>
> LarryT
>
>
> On 7/3/2013 8:54 PM, Chris James wrote:
>
> Yes, in "2" you should be getting a shift around 30mph from 1st into 2nd.
>
> It is possible you may be having turbo boost issues, unfortunately I'm
> not familiar enough with the 2.5's setup to be any help.
>
>
> On 7/3/2013 7:25 PM, Larry T wrote:
>
> Thanks James -- I know I said it didn't work with the lever but I am
> having trouble knowing for sure itis not in 1st.  Memory tells me it
> should take off quickly in 1st and require a shift at approx 25mph -
> maybe even 20mph -   I have been checking the MB Tech Data book but
> it seems to indicate a 1st gear start.
>
> BTW, there is no unusual noise, etc - the ATF was changed ~ 10K
> miles ago and about 20k before that.  The warranty with Sun Valley
> MB requires ATF changes at 24K even though MB says 36K.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-04 Thread Scott Ritchey

I don't know how your engine compares to the 617 turbo, but when my 82 300SD
started running like a pig the problem was a leaky boost signal to the ALDA.
On my car there is a switchover valve that dumps the boost pressure (to the
ALDA) when it gets an electrical command from the transmission.  Most of the
boost pressure signal hoses are the hard type but there were two short
lengths of soft rubber hose at the switchover valve and they had
deteriorated to the point they vented the boost pressure signal.  I replaced
them with a couple short lengths of vacuum hose and all wasOK.

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry T
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:29 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Transmission W124 91 300D

Thanks Peter - I hope the WSM has a way to check it? if it's bad, is 
there any "fixing" or is it just "replace"?

Do you recall the price if that's the problem?   I seem to remember 
someone saying they blanked off their EGR - wouldn't that kill the 
Boost?  Also -  is there any kind of Filter on the EGR?

I will be checking the WSM for these fixes, but I always ask the experts 
1st vs the WSM which was probably written with a bunch of lawyers 
looking over their shoulders  ;-)

Thanks -
LarryT

On 7/3/2013 8:56 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
> The 2.5 has electronic boost and EGR control, and if the system has 
> failed, will not provide extra fuel with boost, nor spin the turbo 
> up.  Very sluggish.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

2013-07-04 Thread Frederick Moir

Broken B2 piston?
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: "roger...@comcast.net" 
>To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
>Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2013 9:00 PM
>Subject: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission
> 
>
>To all, 
>It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
>suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
>finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
>revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift 
>up from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I 
>don't feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's 
>age, etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little. 
>Thanks for any suggestions. 
>
>Roger Hale 
>Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>Monroe, Ga. 
>770-267-0850 
>www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
>www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

Governor drive gear is plastic in these trannies and known to  
fracture, leaving you with no governor pressure and hence absolutely  
no upshift from first (verifty you don't have a stuck kickdown switch  
or valve).


This can repaired in car, but you have to make sure there are not  
plastic bits in the associated check valve downstream -- otherwise, a  
new gear won't fix it.


If it's not that, it's time for a tranny rebuild.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

More likely a blown vacuum servo control valve behind the air intake  
box.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-04 Thread Larry T

Thanks Peter - I hope the WSM has a way to check it? if it's bad, is 
there any "fixing" or is it just "replace"?


Do you recall the price if that's the problem?   I seem to remember 
someone saying they blanked off their EGR - wouldn't that kill the 
Boost?  Also -  is there any kind of Filter on the EGR?


I will be checking the WSM for these fixes, but I always ask the experts 
1st vs the WSM which was probably written with a bunch of lawyers 
looking over their shoulders  ;-)


Thanks -
LarryT

On 7/3/2013 8:56 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:
The 2.5 has electronic boost and EGR control, and if the system has 
failed, will not provide extra fuel with boost, nor spin the turbo 
up.  Very sluggish.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-04 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

If there is a vacuum leak anywhere in the vAcuum system you will not have turbo 
boost. Hook a line from the vacuum pump directly to the turbo bypassing 
everything else, take it for a drive and see what happens. If you have boost 
you have a leak somewhere. Also if any part of the eds is not working such as 
each position sensor etc it will default to limp mode and vent the boost. There 
is a long list of steps to test the system.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2013, at 7:16 PM, Larry T  wrote:

> Hi Chris & Gang,
>Yeah, that kind of dawned on me yesterday & I appreciate the confirmation. 
>  i looked around for vacuum hoses or wires that might be loose.  I didn't see 
> anything and the suction gizmo adjacent to the manifold going to the turbo - 
> i think it's called <> but will need to 
> study the WSM a little more - at least it looks like it is operating 
> properly.  I removed the hose and put another hose on it then put a vacuum on 
> it and the flap moved. At least everything is at a place that is easy to 
> reach - no climbing under the car, etc.  - at least it doesn't look that way 
> yet.
> 
> I kinda think it _/has /_to be the turbo because I see little (no?) 
> difference in acceleration when I pull it back to 2.
> 
>In a way that's kind of a relief - not having tranny trouble is good news. 
>  Plus, I doubt the Turbo has blown because it would have made lots of noise 
> and smoke
> 
> But I still need to find the problem regardless of where it is.  Hmm..  I 
> wonder if there's a fuse involved?  ;-^  - that'd be nice.
> 
> LarryT
> 
> 
> On 7/3/2013 8:54 PM, Chris James wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, in "2" you should be getting a shift around 30mph from 1st into 2nd.
>> 
>> It is possible you may be having turbo boost issues, unfortunately I'm
>> not familiar enough with the 2.5's setup to be any help.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/3/2013 7:25 PM, Larry T wrote:
>>> Thanks James -- I know I said it didn't work with the lever but I am
>>> having trouble knowing for sure itis not in 1st.  Memory tells me it
>>> should take off quickly in 1st and require a shift at approx 25mph -
>>> maybe even 20mph -   I have been checking the MB Tech Data book but
>>> it seems to indicate a 1st gear start.
>>> 
>>> BTW, there is no unusual noise, etc - the ATF was changed ~ 10K
>>> miles ago and about 20k before that.  The warranty with Sun Valley
>>> MB requires ATF changes at 24K even though MB says 36K.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-04 Thread Larry T

Thanks - That'll be easy enough to fix.

My wife drives approx32 mi RT to& From work -- it's mostly 45 and 55MPH
- would that be enough to keep it clean? I have no problem taking it
apart - just wondering...

LarryT

On 7/4/2013 8:35 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

Larry,
when the turbo in my 90 2.5t has stopped spooling- both times it has been
crud in the pipe from the manifold. Happened twice in 8 years-was when I
was not driving it hard on hiway. FWIW,
Dwight

On Thursday, July 4, 2013, Larry T wrote:

Hi Chris & Gang,
Yeah, that kind of dawned on me yesterday & I appreciate the

confirmation. i looked around for vacuum hoses or wires that might be
loose. I didn't see anything and the suction gizmo adjacent to the
manifold going to the turbo - i think it's called <> but will need to study the WSM a little more - at least it
looks like it is operating properly. I removed the hose and put another
hose on it then put a vacuum on it and the flap moved. At least
everything is at a place that is easy to reach - no climbing under the car,
etc. - at least it doesn't look that way yet.

I kinda think it _/has /_to be the turbo because I see little (no?)

difference in acceleration when I pull it back to 2.

In a way that's kind of a relief - not having tranny trouble is good

news. Plus, I doubt the Turbo has blown because it would have made lots of
noise and smoke

But I still need to find the problem regardless of where it is. Hmm.. I

wonder if there's a fuse involved? ;-^ - that'd be nice.

LarryT

On 7/3/2013 8:54 PM, Chris James wrote:

Yes, in "2" you should be getting a shift around 30mph from 1st into 2nd.

It is possible you may be having turbo boost issues, unfortunately I'm
not familiar enough with the 2.5's setup to be any help.

On 7/3/2013 7:25 PM, Larry T wrote:

Thanks James -- I know I said it didn't work with the lever but I am
having trouble knowing for sure itis not in 1st. Memory tells me it
should take off quickly in 1st and require a shift at approx 25mph -
maybe even 20mph - I have been checking the MB Tech Data book but
it seems to indicate a 1st gear start.

BTW, there is no unusual noise, etc - the ATF was changed ~ 10K
miles ago and about 20k before that. The warranty with Sun Valley
MB requires ATF changes at 24K even though MB says 36K.

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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

Not true.   If you add a turbo alone you gain efficiency or cleaner
emissions by getting more air into the engine.  More air is always better
for efficiency.

Turn up the fuel without a turbo and lose efficiency as well as creating
black smoke.

Add a turbo and turn up the fuel and you gain hp, torque and efficiency at
the expense of more potential heat.  It is a close balancing act to get the
fuel and air just right without getting smoke, too high egt's or both.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

2013-07-04 Thread Scott Ritchey


Without the turbo IP and its ALDA, just a turbo won't add any power.  Just
disconnect the boost signal to your ALDA and you'll see.


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Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 3:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

Yep.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay


> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Craig  wrote:
>
>> The fellow argues that his adding a turbo to a OM616 has no problems. I'm
>> not sure I would agree with that.
>>
>>
> Yup.  I know there were third-party turbo kits for NA Mercedes diesels
> available back in the early '80s, but didn't Dr. Booth always said that
> they were a bad idea because the result would lack the factory oil jets to
> cool the pistons?
>
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Re: [MBZ] engine noise

2013-07-04 Thread Gerry Archer

Dragging one of the "retrieval magnets" on a handle around the bottom of the 
(plastic) drain pan might also be informative.  One of the thin magnets 
attached to a bendable aluminum wire can sometimes be inserted through the 
drain and drug around the bottom of the pan, but removing the pan and 
checking for aluminum as well as steel metal shards is the best way.

Gerry

From: "WILTON" 
Remove oil drain plug and see what comes out with the oil after parking 
with pan sloped downward toward drain plug.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "MG" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] engine noise


Well I took the belts off, took off the vacuum pump and took off the 
valve cover.


Everything is good there nothing loose. Started the engine and the noise 
is still there but I can tell now that it seems to come from the oil pan.


Could it be the oil pump? Even though the gauge says there is plenty of 
pressure. Don't really want to take it all apart to check as that looks 
to be as much work as just putting another engine in.


Manfred

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013
trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:

Didn't even think about that till you mentioned it. Then I looked
in the manual. That sounds like a fun part to replace. Hope it
isn't that.

BTW I forgot to mention that it is a 617 engine in an 81 300SD.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:45 -0600
From: Craig 


You might also look at the injection pump timer.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] engine noise


WILTON wrote:
Remove oil drain plug and see what comes out with the oil after parking 
with pan sloped downward toward drain plug.



And hope it's not half a rod bearing?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] 1980 300SD Transmission

2013-07-04 Thread rogerhga

To all, 
It's been awhile since I've posted anything, but I'm currently seeking tips, 
suggestions, advice, etc. My wonderful old MB with around 425,000 miles has 
finally stopped shifting gears. My mechanic says he's tried everything to 
revive it but it appears something broke in the shift body as it won't shift up 
from first. Do you guys have suggestions about finding a used tranny? I don't 
feel like the extra money for a new/rebuilt is worth it due to the car's age, 
etc. I've been searching the web, craigslist, etc, but have found little. 
Thanks for any suggestions. 

Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) 
www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) 

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Re: [MBZ] engine noise

Remove oil drain plug and see what comes out with the oil after parking with 
pan sloped downward toward drain plug.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "MG" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] engine noise

Well I took the belts off, took off the vacuum pump and took off the valve 
cover.

Everything is good there nothing loose. Started the engine and the noise 
is still there but I can tell now that it seems to come from the oil pan.

Could it be the oil pump? Even though the gauge says there is plenty of 
pressure. Don't really want to take it all apart to check as that looks to 
be as much work as just putting another engine in.

Manfred

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013
trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:

Didn't even think about that till you mentioned it. Then I looked
in the manual. That sounds like a fun part to replace. Hope it
isn't that.

BTW I forgot to mention that it is a 617 engine in an 81 300SD.

Manfred

Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:45 -0600
From: Craig 

You might also look at the injection pump timer.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-04 Thread Dwight Giles

Larry,
when the turbo in my 90 2.5t has stopped spooling- both times it has been
crud in the pipe from the manifold. Happened twice in 8 years-was when I
was not driving it hard on hiway. FWIW,
Dwight

On Thursday, July 4, 2013, Larry T  wrote:
> Hi Chris & Gang,
> Yeah, that kind of dawned on me yesterday & I appreciate the
confirmation.  i looked around for vacuum hoses or wires that might be
loose.  I didn't see anything and the suction gizmo adjacent to the
manifold going to the turbo - i think it's called <> but will need to study the WSM a little more - at least it
looks like it is operating properly.  I removed the hose and put another
hose on it then put a vacuum on it and the flap moved. At least
everything is at a place that is easy to reach - no climbing under the car,
etc.  - at least it doesn't look that way yet.
>
> I kinda think it _/has /_to be the turbo because I see little (no?)
difference in acceleration when I pull it back to 2.
>
> In a way that's kind of a relief - not having tranny trouble is good
news.  Plus, I doubt the Turbo has blown because it would have made lots of
noise and smoke
>
> But I still need to find the problem regardless of where it is.  Hmm..  I
wonder if there's a fuse involved?  ;-^  - that'd be nice.
>
> LarryT
>
>
> On 7/3/2013 8:54 PM, Chris James wrote:
>>
>> Yes, in "2" you should be getting a shift around 30mph from 1st into 2nd.
>>
>> It is possible you may be having turbo boost issues, unfortunately I'm
>> not familiar enough with the 2.5's setup to be any help.
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/2013 7:25 PM, Larry T wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks James -- I know I said it didn't work with the lever but I am
>>> having trouble knowing for sure itis not in 1st.  Memory tells me it
>>> should take off quickly in 1st and require a shift at approx 25mph -
>>> maybe even 20mph -   I have been checking the MB Tech Data book but
>>> it seems to indicate a 1st gear start.
>>>
>>> BTW, there is no unusual noise, etc - the ATF was changed ~ 10K
>>> miles ago and about 20k before that.  The warranty with Sun Valley
>>> MB requires ATF changes at 24K even though MB says 36K.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

2013-07-04 Thread Kevin Kraly


'Had same comment and awe 'bout my 22½-year-old 350SDL with 205 kmi
yesterday as it sat beside his new $60k (maybe more) crew cab pickup.

I love our crew cab Ram 2500, but there's nothing like a solid ol' Benz 
Diesel.  I would love to have one in the driveway beside the pickup!  Hmmm, 
which one do we take out today?  Unless we're hauling something large or 
towing the boat, I know the answer!!!


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Re: [MBZ] NOW TURBOCHARGER --*** WAS Transmission W124 91 300D

2013-07-04 Thread Larry T

Hi Chris & Gang,
Yeah, that kind of dawned on me yesterday & I appreciate the
confirmation. i looked around for vacuum hoses or wires that might be
loose. I didn't see anything and the suction gizmo adjacent to the
manifold going to the turbo - i think it's called > but will need to study the WSM a little more - at least it
looks like it is operating properly. I removed the hose and put another
hose on it then put a vacuum on it and the flap moved. At least
everything is at a place that is easy to reach - no climbing under the
car, etc. - at least it doesn't look that way yet.

I kinda think it _/has /_to be the turbo because I see little (no?)
difference in acceleration when I pull it back to 2.

In a way that's kind of a relief - not having tranny trouble is
good news. Plus, I doubt the Turbo has blown because it would have made
lots of noise and smoke

But I still need to find the problem regardless of where it is. Hmm..
I wonder if there's a fuse involved? ;-^ - that'd be nice.

LarryT

On 7/3/2013 8:54 PM, Chris James wrote:

Yes, in "2" you should be getting a shift around 30mph from 1st into 2nd.

It is possible you may be having turbo boost issues, unfortunately I'm
not familiar enough with the 2.5's setup to be any help.

On 7/3/2013 7:25 PM, Larry T wrote:

BTW, there is no unusual noise, etc - the ATF was changed ~ 10K
miles ago and about 20k before that. The warranty with Sun Valley
MB requires ATF changes at 24K even though MB says 36K.

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Re: [MBZ] engine noise

2013-07-04 Thread MG

Well I took the belts off, took off the vacuum pump and took off 
the valve cover.


Everything is good there nothing loose. Started the engine and 
the noise is still there but I can tell now that it seems to come 
from the oil pan.


Could it be the oil pump? Even though the gauge says there is 
plenty of pressure. Don't really want to take it all apart to 
check as that looks to be as much work as just putting another 
engine in.


Manfred

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013
trainpain2...@aol.com wrote:

Didn't even think about that till you mentioned it. Then I looked
in the manual. That sounds like a fun part to replace. Hope it
isn't that.

BTW I forgot to mention that it is a 617 engine in an 81 300SD.

Manfred


Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:14:45 -0600
From: Craig 


You might also look at the injection pump timer.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

I don't have any info for the 240d but Banks has been adding turbos to IDI
Ford engines for years with great success.  They gain 25% or so across the
board on hp, torque and mpg all while keeping them completely reliable.  It
surely can be done as long as you know how and what to do.

Mike
On Jul 4, 2013 6:56 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:

> Sounds right. How much difference do you think the turbo makes when the
> fuel is limited to safe ranges?
> Most times a turbo is added in an attempt to turn the car into a hot rod.
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Michael Canfield  >wrote:
>
> > 7 years of daily driving that car seems to say different.
> >
> > Setting up the pump right so it doesn't overfuel and keeps egt's down in
> a
> > safe range assures you will not melt your pistons.  If you just add a
> turbo
> > and leave everything else alone that is different.  Sounds like this one
> > was done well.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

Sounds right. How much difference do you think the turbo makes when the
fuel is limited to safe ranges?
Most times a turbo is added in an attempt to turn the car into a hot rod.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> 7 years of daily driving that car seems to say different.
>
> Setting up the pump right so it doesn't overfuel and keeps egt's down in a
> safe range assures you will not melt your pistons.  If you just add a turbo
> and leave everything else alone that is different.  Sounds like this one
> was done well.
>
> Mike
>
>



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Re: [MBZ] S class road test

I suspect that you can order it in other colors ---


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:37 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Ugh -- silver - gonna hafta let it go.   ;<)
>
> Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

7 years of daily driving that car seems to say different.

Setting up the pump right so it doesn't overfuel and keeps egt's down in a
safe range assures you will not melt your pistons.  If you just add a turbo
and leave everything else alone that is different.  Sounds like this one
was done well.

Mike
On Jul 4, 2013 6:28 PM, "OK Don"  wrote:

> Exactly! There other differences besides just the piston cooling oil jets,
> but that's one of the most significant. "you WILL melt your PISTONS".
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain  >wrote:
>
> >
> > Yup.  I know there were third-party turbo kits for NA Mercedes diesels
> > available back in the early '80s, but didn't Dr. Booth always said that
> > they were a bad idea because the result would lack the factory oil jets
> to
> > cool the pistons?
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] S class road test


Ugh -- silver - gonna hafta let it go.   ;<)

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 12:00 AM
Subject: [MBZ] S class road test



Step right up, get yours while it's hot! Everyone needs one of these!

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1306_2014_mercedes_benz_s550_first_drive/

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Re: [MBZ] Water in Trunk

I was shotting a photo assignment once about the staff working in an auto
glass shop. The owner pulled his truck into the shop and told the guys to
remove and replace the windshield while I shot photos. It broke while they
were popping it out!


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

>
>
> Reminds me of the time I was getting an insurance replacement of a
> windshield with a bullseye in front of the driver. You could still see it
> after I injected filler into it, but it wasn't that bad. They arranged for
> a glass shop to make a house call. I mentioned to the glass shop manager
> that I wanted to keep the old one for a spare. He asked me if I could bring
> it into the shop and have two guys remove it instead of just the one he'd
> send out on a house call, to make sure it didn't get broken. I did and they
> broke it. When I mentioned it to a salvage yard operator, he told me that
> he'd never needed any help, and he'd never broken one taking it out.
>
> Does becoming a professional auto glass installer make it impossible for
> you to remove a piece of fixed glass without breaking it?
>
> Mitch.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic fluid for self leveling system


ATTABOY!

Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic fluid for self leveling system


Exactly - got the brake caliper cleaned up (minor corrosion at the 
bottom),

new o-ring, and the brake works again and isn't leaking 5606 :-)
We're flying again, till the new windshield arrives Monday or so ---


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, WILTON  wrote:


'Sounds like the red stuff in OK Don's 182.

Wilton





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Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic fluid for self leveling system

Exactly - got the brake caliper cleaned up (minor corrosion at the bottom),
new o-ring, and the brake works again and isn't leaking 5606 :-)
We're flying again, till the new windshield arrives Monday or so ---


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 3:59 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'Sounds like the red stuff in OK Don's 182.
>
> Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] Water in Trunk

This guy was good, and even pointed out in advance that W126 rear windows were 
a real b*tch to install because of the compound curves in them.  He also said 
that since the back glass was laminated it could crack on one layer and not the 
other, too.

He was almost all the way in and the very top right corner cracked within about 
2" from the corner.  He was pretty upset about it, too.

Dan

On Jul 4, 2013, at 6:18 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> If you read the fine print, any glass installer will tell you that if they 
>> remove and reinstall a piece of glass (I had the car in to be painted and I 
>> had them remove all of the glass and install a new windshield) they are not 
>> liable if it cracks or breaks.  In the past I had a really good independent 
>> glass guy who really knew how to do old car glass.  He did the rear glass in 
>> my 1970 250C and one other car and it was perfect. I couldn't track him down 
>> when i needed to do the 300SD, so I just picked a local auto glass place.
> 
> Reminds me of the time I was getting an insurance replacement of a windshield 
> with a bullseye in front of the driver. You could still see it after I 
> injected filler into it, but it wasn't that bad. They arranged for a glass 
> shop to make a house call. I mentioned to the glass shop manager that I 
> wanted to keep the old one for a spare. He asked me if I could bring it into 
> the shop and have two guys remove it instead of just the one he'd send out on 
> a house call, to make sure it didn't get broken. I did and they broke it. 
> When I mentioned it to a salvage yard operator, he told me that he'd never 
> needed any help, and he'd never broken one taking it out.
> 
> Does becoming a professional auto glass installer make it impossible for you 
> to remove a piece of fixed glass without breaking it?
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

Exactly! There other differences besides just the piston cooling oil jets,
but that's one of the most significant. "you WILL melt your PISTONS".


On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:02 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

>
> Yup.  I know there were third-party turbo kits for NA Mercedes diesels
> available back in the early '80s, but didn't Dr. Booth always said that
> they were a bad idea because the result would lack the factory oil jets to
> cool the pistons?
>
> Alex
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Water in Trunk


Dan Penoff wrote:

If you read the fine print, any glass installer will tell you that if they 
remove and reinstall a piece of glass (I had the car in to be painted and I had 
them remove all of the glass and install a new windshield) they are not liable 
if it cracks or breaks.  In the past I had a really good independent glass guy 
who really knew how to do old car glass.  He did the rear glass in my 1970 250C 
and one other car and it was perfect. I couldn't track him down when i needed 
to do the 300SD, so I just picked a local auto glass place.


Reminds me of the time I was getting an insurance replacement of a windshield 
with a bullseye in front of the driver. You could still see it after I injected 
filler into it, but it wasn't that bad. They arranged for a glass shop to make a 
house call. I mentioned to the glass shop manager that I wanted to keep the old 
one for a spare. He asked me if I could bring it into the shop and have two guys 
remove it instead of just the one he'd send out on a house call, to make sure it 
didn't get broken. I did and they broke it. When I mentioned it to a salvage 
yard operator, he told me that he'd never needed any help, and he'd never broken 
one taking it out.


Does becoming a professional auto glass installer make it impossible for you to 
remove a piece of fixed glass without breaking it?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT "The good ole days of Car Washing"

Very nice Rich.  Gotta love kids!

Mike
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[MBZ] A modern UK Car Wash (Mercedes Content)

2013-07-04 Thread Chris James


A promo vid for a UK car wash featuring a nice W210 E240!
Think I spot a W220 & C215 too!

Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlTLRahUJV4


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Re: [MBZ] Water in Trunk

2013-07-04 Thread Jon Agne

No.  Same glass.  Old seal was leaking so I replaced with new MB seal.  Quality 
independent shop.  I've used them for years.


On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:48 PM, MG wrote:

> So did he replace the glass or just shrug and tell you to get a new one for 
> him to try on again?
> 
> That seems to be the position of the auto glass shops around here. If it 
> breaks I have to pay for a new one. doesn't make sense to me.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:08:41 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> 
> Did you replace it or a professional auto glass person?
> 
> I ask because I was told by a glass guy who did the back glass in my 82 300SD 
> (and cracked it as well) that window seals on MBs are tough to do, especially 
> due to the multiple lips in the seal grooves.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Water in Trunk

If you read the fine print, any glass installer will tell you that if they 
remove and reinstall a piece of glass (I had the car in to be painted and I had 
them remove all of the glass and install a new windshield) they are not liable 
if it cracks or breaks.  In the past I had a really good independent glass guy 
who really knew how to do old car glass.  He did the rear glass in my 1970 250C 
and one other car and it was perfect. I couldn't track him down when i needed 
to do the 300SD, so I just picked a local auto glass place.

In this case they just sort of threw up their hands.  I called my insurance 
agent and asked them if my comprehensive insurance might possible cover 
replacement.  They had an adjuster call me.  He asked me one question: "Can the 
car be operated safely without the glass in place?"  My response was "No".

A new glass place came and installed a brand new MB rear window courtesy of the 
local MB dealership the next day.

My agent asked me if I planned on doing any business with the original glass 
place again.  Why?  They were going to subrogate the claim

Dan

On Jul 4, 2013, at 4:48 PM, MG wrote:

> So did he replace the glass or just shrug and tell you to get a new one for 
> him to try on again?
> 
> That seems to be the position of the auto glass shops around here. If it 
> breaks I have to pay for a new one. doesn't make sense to me.
> 
> Manfred
> 
> Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:08:41 -0400
> From: Dan Penoff 
> 
> Did you replace it or a professional auto glass person?
> 
> I ask because I was told by a glass guy who did the back glass in my 82 300SD 
> (and cracked it as well) that window seals on MBs are tough to do, especially 
> due to the multiple lips in the seal grooves.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic fluid for self leveling system

'Sounds like the red stuff in OK Don's 182.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "MG" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic fluid for self leveling system

Yeah it is pretty thin but then so are those 0 weight motor oils. 
I have a bottle of the real stuff (febi).  The mineral oil for AC 
use comes in a few different weights but I don't know how to do a 
direct comparison. On the other hand I found Phillips 5606H for 
about half the cost of Febi, if I buy 6 gallons. Don't know when 
I will use that much.

Manfred

Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:50:39 -0700
From: Jim Cathey 

> > I can't seem to find out what the SAE weight of the oil is.

I don't know if they make a number that low.  The stuff is
very runny, almost like kerosene.  I'd stick to the real
stuff, or one of the MB-approved substitutes.  I believe
that Royco 5606H I had was on a list, at least at one time.

-- Jim

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Re: [MBZ] Water in Trunk

2013-07-04 Thread MG

So did he replace the glass or just shrug and tell you to get a 
new one for him to try on again?


That seems to be the position of the auto glass shops around 
here. If it breaks I have to pay for a new one. doesn't make 
sense to me.


Manfred

Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2013 15:08:41 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 

Did you replace it or a professional auto glass person?

I ask because I was told by a glass guy who did the back glass in 
my 82 300SD (and cracked it as well) that window seals on MBs are 
tough to do, especially due to the multiple lips in the seal grooves.


Dan

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Re: [MBZ] Hydraulic fluid for self leveling system

2013-07-04 Thread MG

Yeah it is pretty thin but then so are those 0 weight motor oils. 
I have a bottle of the real stuff (febi).  The mineral oil for AC 
use comes in a few different weights but I don't know how to do a 
direct comparison. On the other hand I found Phillips 5606H for 
about half the cost of Febi, if I buy 6 gallons. Don't know when 
I will use that much.


Manfred


Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 08:50:39 -0700
From: Jim Cathey 

> > I can't seem to find out what the SAE weight of the oil is.

I don't know if they make a number that low.  The stuff is
very runny, almost like kerosene.  I'd stick to the real
stuff, or one of the MB-approved substitutes.  I believe
that Royco 5606H I had was on a list, at least at one time.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT "The good ole days of Car Washing"

2013-07-04 Thread Chris James



I enjoyed reading that, thanks for sharing! :-)


On 7/4/2013 2:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:

That reminds me that along about that time, say 1961 or 1962, I attended
a really old school that was down the street from Mike's Minuteman Car
Wash.  My dad would take the car over there occasionally, and they did
all that stuff, especially the floor mats, which trundled along on a
conveyor belt and met the car at the end where they were put back in the
car.  I thought that part was really cool.

There was a large contingent of workers, all black men.  They worked
hard and tended to stay around a long time, and apparently were paid
well enough for the times.  Starting school in 2nd grade, this little
white boy sat next to a little black boy named Cleo.  Cleo and I got
along pretty well and one day he told me his dad worked at that car
wash.  That was just about the most awesome thing I could think of.  My
dad was an engineer for a local electronics company, which I guess was a
pretty good job, but did not come anywhere close to working at the car
wash!

I came home that afternoon and was going on and on about how wonderful
it was that Cleo's dad worked at that car wash.  Next time we went I
said I wanted to find out which one was Cleo's dad but my dad would not
let me go bother them.  Never did find out but I told Cleo I went there
and tried to find his dad, Cleo thought that was pretty cool.  He told
his dad, who thought that was pretty cool too.

--R



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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

Yep.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Craig  wrote:

The fellow argues that his adding a turbo to a OM616 has no problems. I'm
not sure I would agree with that.

Yup.  I know there were third-party turbo kits for NA Mercedes diesels
available back in the early '80s, but didn't Dr. Booth always said that
they were a bad idea because the result would lack the factory oil jets to
cool the pistons?

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Re: [MBZ] OT "The good ole days of Car Washing"

That reminds me that along about that time, say 1961 or 1962, I attended 
a really old school that was down the street from Mike's Minuteman Car 
Wash.  My dad would take the car over there occasionally, and they did 
all that stuff, especially the floor mats, which trundled along on a 
conveyor belt and met the car at the end where they were put back in the 
car.  I thought that part was really cool.


There was a large contingent of workers, all black men.  They worked 
hard and tended to stay around a long time, and apparently were paid 
well enough for the times.  Starting school in 2nd grade, this little 
white boy sat next to a little black boy named Cleo.  Cleo and I got 
along pretty well and one day he told me his dad worked at that car 
wash.  That was just about the most awesome thing I could think of.  My 
dad was an engineer for a local electronics company, which I guess was a 
pretty good job, but did not come anywhere close to working at the car wash!


I came home that afternoon and was going on and on about how wonderful 
it was that Cleo's dad worked at that car wash.  Next time we went I 
said I wanted to find out which one was Cleo's dad but my dad would not 
let me go bother them.  Never did find out but I told Cleo I went there 
and tried to find his dad, Cleo thought that was pretty cool.  He told 
his dad, who thought that was pretty cool too.


--R


On 7/4/13 1:46 PM, Chris James wrote:

Another YouTube vid I came across last night!

Fascinating, I've watched it twice already!
Quite a lot of staff was required with the earlier car washes, how
things have changed! You don't see full service like this today anymore!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6glZqGOPtrA





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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

Kiloskar?

They made Cummins engines and other bits under license.  They made NT-855s for 
a while and they were major PsOS.

Dan


On Jul 4, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Peter Frederick wrote:
>> There may have also been turbo versions of the 240 engine in Europe and 
>> other parts of the world.
> 
> What was the Indian company that made a turbo 616?
> Seems like it was in a G-wagen type vehicle.
> 
> Anyway, the text and underhood appearance of the Sydney 240CD advert sure 
> looks like an add-on turbo to me.
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay


Peter Frederick wrote:
There may have also been turbo versions of the 240 engine in Europe and 
other parts of the world.


What was the Indian company that made a turbo 616?
Seems like it was in a G-wagen type vehicle.

Anyway, the text and underhood appearance of the Sydney 240CD advert sure looks 
like an add-on turbo to me.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> Those (likely a 300?) are referred to as "Ghetto Bentleys"


Especially when you put one of these on 'em:
http://www.bodykits.com/Chrysler/300/Body-Kits-Conversions/Body-Kits/

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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....


Those (likely a 300?) are referred to as "Ghetto Bentleys"

--R


On 7/4/13 1:30 PM, WILTON wrote:
Speaking of Chryslers, reminds me:  During my 126 cruise yesterday, a 
black sedan, maybe, coupla years old, eased up behind me on 
interstate.  I could have sworn it was MB, but could see no star 
during glances in mirror. Finally, as it cruised far enough past me, I 
could see Chrysler emblem on trunk.  Sure thought it was MB 'til then.


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Dan Penoff" 
To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:33 AM
Subject: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen



...with the dreaded ACC servo.

I knew they originally designed this abortion of a system, but I 
don't think I've ever seen a Chrysler with the system.


BTW, the owner dropped his price on this car - it's down to $8900 
from $11.5k.


Certainly is a beautiful land yacht.

Dan former Land Yacht Captain
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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

I like the under the hood pics.  Never had the chance to see under the hood
of a right hand drive w123.

Looks like a nice ride for the money.

Mike
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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

There may have also been turbo versions of the 240 engine in Europe  
and other parts of the world.


Adding a turbo to a NA engine is asking for greatly reduced life.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Craig  wrote:

> The fellow argues that his adding a turbo to a OM616 has no problems. I'm
> not sure I would agree with that.
>
>
Yup.  I know there were third-party turbo kits for NA Mercedes diesels
available back in the early '80s, but didn't Dr. Booth always said that
they were a bad idea because the result would lack the factory oil jets to
cool the pistons?

Alex
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[MBZ] OT "The good ole days of Car Washing"

2013-07-04 Thread Chris James


Another YouTube vid I came across last night!

Fascinating, I've watched it twice already!
Quite a lot of staff was required with the earlier car washes, how
things have changed! You don't see full service like this today anymore!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6glZqGOPtrA


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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 10:35 AM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'Had same comment and awe 'bout my 22½-year-old 350SDL with 205 kmi
> yesterday as it sat beside his new $60k (maybe more) crew cab pickup.
>
>
That I can understand.  The 126 design, especially the LWB version, is so
classy.  In my book it's up there in the top 10 or maybe even 5 best
automotive designs of the 20th century--not considering technological
significance, just looks.  Off the top of my head, only the Citroen DS
beats it in complete timelessness--it could be 50 years old or from 50
years in the future.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....

'Reminds me of the mighty fine riding/driving '71 Chrysler station wagon I 
had
'71-'78.  SWMBO sold it while I was in Greenland - I had come home for few 
days and got it ready.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen



On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:


http://bringatrailer.com/2013/**07/04/bat-exclusive-1972-**
imperial-lebaron-with-bendix-**abs/




That's gorgeous.  I'm in love.

They're right to point out the torsion-bar front suspension as a plus.  I
had a '71 Dart with the same design and it drove surprisingly well.  I
wouldn't take it to an autocross, but it didn't pitch and dive nearly as
much in corners as the average old American car.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

'Had same comment and awe 'bout my 22½-year-old 350SDL with 205 kmi 
yesterday as it sat beside his new $60k (maybe more) crew cab pickup.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

I see lots of 450SLs down here that people think are worth a small fortune. 
And usually they're the worst year, like 1975.

Where they come up with the price I have no idea.  Either they're pulling 
it out of a bodily orifice or they are non-MB people who are blinded by 
the star, as we used to say.

For example, I had the the head of our payroll department stop me in the 
hall the other day and remark about "That really nice Mercedes you drive." 
I had to laugh after she left, as she drives a fairly late model Bimmer. 
If she knew the age and price of the car she would probably not believe 
it.  That's one thing that I love about our cars, especially the older 
models - they're timeless and people think they still have significant 
value.

Maybe that's why these idiots ask ridiculous prices for the cars?

Dan

On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Dan Penoff wrote:
That was a nice car and appeared to be priced fairly and well 
represented.  I passed it to Deneal since he's looking for something 
like that.

And there's no way a 450SL is worth as much as a nice Silver Arrow, even 
if some fool snitched the briefcase out of the SA.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....

Speaking of Chryslers, reminds me:  During my 126 cruise yesterday, a black 
sedan, maybe, coupla years old, eased up behind me on interstate.  I could 
have sworn it was MB, but could see no star during glances in mirror. 
Finally, as it cruised far enough past me, I could see Chrysler emblem on 
trunk.  Sure thought it was MB 'til then.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:33 AM
Subject: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen



...with the dreaded ACC servo.

I knew they originally designed this abortion of a system, but I don't 
think I've ever seen a Chrysler with the system.


BTW, the owner dropped his price on this car - it's down to $8900 from 
$11.5k.


Certainly is a beautiful land yacht.

Dan former Land Yacht Captain
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes OMG model


Yeah, I noticed.  Where's that barf bag when I need it!?

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes OMG model



Rich Thomas wrote:

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3913493960.html


Oh, Wilton!
Rich found you a C140 on twetty toos.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay

2013-07-04 Thread Craig

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 12:50:06 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
> > Better jump on this one quick
> > 
> > http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1719800-fs-240cd-manual-turbo-diesel-w123.html#post5850406
> 
> I'm not a fan of the warm dirty air intake system, and wish it had the
> full towing kit with SLS, but that looks to be well worth 3 kilobucks.
> Probably wouldn't be too hard to adapt the air intake from a legitimate
> turbo 123.

The fellow argues that his adding a turbo to a OM616 has no problems. I'm
not sure I would agree with that.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT Kalebs office

2013-07-04 Thread Craig

On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 11:12:08 -0400 Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Needs bigger monitors.  I can barely read what's on them.

In addition, the setup is not ergonomically correct. The user of the
keyboard will sustain neck strain and damage by looking up at the
monitors.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] One for Henifay


Dan Penoff wrote:

Better jump on this one quick

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1719800-fs-240cd-manual-turbo-diesel-w123.html#post5850406


I'm not a fan of the warm dirty air intake system, and wish it had the full 
towing kit with SLS, but that looks to be well worth 3 kilobucks. Probably 
wouldn't be too hard to adapt the air intake from a legitimate turbo 123.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes OMG model

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

>   I don't understand the tires that look too
> narrow for the wheel thing.  I can see the big wheel/low sidewall for
> cornering but when some of these cars appear to have the rear quarter panel
> riding on the bead of the wheel I just have to go... huh, wtf?
>
>
Same here.  That stretched look drives me nuts.  In my book, tires are
supposed to look like donuts, with a pronounced bulge of the sidewall out
PAST the wheel, no matter how low-profile the tires are.  Otherwise, they
don't protect the wheel against curb scrapes.

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Re: [MBZ] OT YouTube Vid "Woman fakes injury in court"

Amazing.  How immature to smack her on the way by.  Quite the delayed
reaction she has going on there.  Wow!

And I bet she tried to sue.

Mike
On Jul 4, 2013 10:56 AM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:

> She must be a retired soccer player
>
> --R
>
>
> On 7/4/13 2:24 AM, Chris James wrote:
>
>> Was going through my saved links, just love this one!
>>
>> Epic performance! "Stop everything", "Call a doctor"! LOL!
>>
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=rrtSvCPaygs
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

I used to get some of the same thing, until a buddy decided to take a  
look.  Got himself a nice 280 CLK for really nice price (2004, so not  
really new).  Cost him a few grand for a down payment, but otherwise  
the difference in fuel milage between that and the Tuareg he was  
driving pays the monthly payments.  A nice low milage Benz for a  
couple grand, hard to complain.


Just shows how many people are only capable of understanding  
appearances, eh?


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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes OMG model

Now if they were 20's and had tires that fit the wheels.

Actually might not look bad.  I don't understand the tires that look too
narrow for the wheel thing.  I can see the big wheel/low sidewall for
cornering but when some of these cars appear to have the rear quarter panel
riding on the bead of the wheel I just have to go... huh, wtf?

Mike
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> Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> http://charleston.craigslist.**org/cto/3913493960.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

Reminds me of my 82 240d.  Bought it on ebay for $500 and drove it home
from DC on the PO's tags.  Shortly after we got it there were teachers at
our kids elementary school starting rumors about "they must be selling
drugs to afford that car".  The principal, superintendant, several
teachers, Toni and I had a very one sided conversation about my $500 car
and the fact that I would never have to worry about selling drugs as I
would have plenty of money when I got done suing them.

Never heard another peep.

Mike
On Jul 4, 2013 11:50 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> Even when the car doesn't have some massive hidden defect, it's still
> funny to hear people remark about "how rich you must be" or something to
> that effect when they see your Benz.
>
> A story I always enjoy is when I had my first MB, a 1979 300TD.  We had
> assigned parking spaces at work, and the guy who parked on one side of me
> drove a 4WD, 9 passenger dual AC Suburban.  At the time (late 80s) the
> truck probably cost well north of $40k, which was a LOT of money for a
> vehicle then.
>
> First time he saw my wagon, he remarked, "Guess I work in the wrong
> department."
>
> I think I paid under $2k for that car.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:
>
> > That is exactly why my friend Jon loves his $450 85 td.  It looks awesome
> > until you look under it..and people comment about it all of the time.
> >
> > Mike
> > On Jul 4, 2013 11:38 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> >
> >> I see lots of 450SLs down here that people think are worth a small
> >> fortune.  And usually they're the worst year, like 1975.
> >>
> >> Where they come up with the price I have no idea.  Either they're
> pulling
> >> it out of a bodily orifice or they are non-MB people who are blinded by
> the
> >> star, as we used to say.
> >>
> >> For example, I had the the head of our payroll department stop me in the
> >> hall the other day and remark about "That really nice Mercedes you
> drive."
> >> I had to laugh after she left, as she drives a fairly late model Bimmer.
> >> If she knew the age and price of the car she would probably not believe
> >> it.  That's one thing that I love about our cars, especially the older
> >> models - they're timeless and people think they still have significant
> >> value.
> >>
> >> Maybe that's why these idiots ask ridiculous prices for the cars?
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dan Penoff wrote:
>  That was a nice car and appeared to be priced fairly and well
> >> represented.  I passed it to Deneal since he's looking for something
> like
> >> that.
> >>>
> >>> And there's no way a 450SL is worth as much as a nice Silver Arrow,
> even
> >> if some fool snitched the briefcase out of the SA.
> >>>
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[MBZ] One for Henifay

Better jump on this one quick

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-wanted-trade-giveaway/1719800-fs-240cd-manual-turbo-diesel-w123.html#post5850406
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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....

I wouldn't be able to fit it in my garage.

I'm holding out on finding a nice finnie these days, anyway.  I'm not looking 
aggressively, but not seeing a lot of them, either.



Dan


On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:48 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:
> 
>> http://bringatrailer.com/2013/**07/04/bat-exclusive-1972-**
>> imperial-lebaron-with-bendix-**abs/
>> 
>> 
>> 
> That's gorgeous.  I'm in love.
> 
> They're right to point out the torsion-bar front suspension as a plus.  I
> had a '71 Dart with the same design and it drove surprisingly well.  I
> wouldn't take it to an autocross, but it didn't pitch and dive nearly as
> much in corners as the average old American car.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

Even when the car doesn't have some massive hidden defect, it's still funny to 
hear people remark about "how rich you must be" or something to that effect 
when they see your Benz.

A story I always enjoy is when I had my first MB, a 1979 300TD.  We had 
assigned parking spaces at work, and the guy who parked on one side of me drove 
a 4WD, 9 passenger dual AC Suburban.  At the time (late 80s) the truck probably 
cost well north of $40k, which was a LOT of money for a vehicle then.

First time he saw my wagon, he remarked, "Guess I work in the wrong department."

I think I paid under $2k for that car.

Dan




On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> That is exactly why my friend Jon loves his $450 85 td.  It looks awesome
> until you look under it..and people comment about it all of the time.
> 
> Mike
> On Jul 4, 2013 11:38 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:
> 
>> I see lots of 450SLs down here that people think are worth a small
>> fortune.  And usually they're the worst year, like 1975.
>> 
>> Where they come up with the price I have no idea.  Either they're pulling
>> it out of a bodily orifice or they are non-MB people who are blinded by the
>> star, as we used to say.
>> 
>> For example, I had the the head of our payroll department stop me in the
>> hall the other day and remark about "That really nice Mercedes you drive."
>> I had to laugh after she left, as she drives a fairly late model Bimmer.
>> If she knew the age and price of the car she would probably not believe
>> it.  That's one thing that I love about our cars, especially the older
>> models - they're timeless and people think they still have significant
>> value.
>> 
>> Maybe that's why these idiots ask ridiculous prices for the cars?
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>> 
>>> Dan Penoff wrote:
 That was a nice car and appeared to be priced fairly and well
>> represented.  I passed it to Deneal since he's looking for something like
>> that.
>>> 
>>> And there's no way a 450SL is worth as much as a nice Silver Arrow, even
>> if some fool snitched the briefcase out of the SA.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....

On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 8:40 AM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> http://bringatrailer.com/2013/**07/04/bat-exclusive-1972-**
> imperial-lebaron-with-bendix-**abs/
>
>
>
That's gorgeous.  I'm in love.

They're right to point out the torsion-bar front suspension as a plus.  I
had a '71 Dart with the same design and it drove surprisingly well.  I
wouldn't take it to an autocross, but it didn't pitch and dive nearly as
much in corners as the average old American car.

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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....

Yup. Thanks.


On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> ...with the dreaded ACC servo.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

That is exactly why my friend Jon loves his $450 85 td.  It looks awesome
until you look under it..and people comment about it all of the time.

Mike
On Jul 4, 2013 11:38 AM, "Dan Penoff"  wrote:

> I see lots of 450SLs down here that people think are worth a small
> fortune.  And usually they're the worst year, like 1975.
>
> Where they come up with the price I have no idea.  Either they're pulling
> it out of a bodily orifice or they are non-MB people who are blinded by the
> star, as we used to say.
>
> For example, I had the the head of our payroll department stop me in the
> hall the other day and remark about "That really nice Mercedes you drive."
>  I had to laugh after she left, as she drives a fairly late model Bimmer.
>  If she knew the age and price of the car she would probably not believe
> it.  That's one thing that I love about our cars, especially the older
> models - they're timeless and people think they still have significant
> value.
>
> Maybe that's why these idiots ask ridiculous prices for the cars?
>
> Dan
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > Dan Penoff wrote:
> >> That was a nice car and appeared to be priced fairly and well
> represented.  I passed it to Deneal since he's looking for something like
> that.
> >
> > And there's no way a 450SL is worth as much as a nice Silver Arrow, even
> if some fool snitched the briefcase out of the SA.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....


Dan Penoff wrote:

...with the dreaded ACC servo.



I assume that message was supposed to have this link in it?
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

I see lots of 450SLs down here that people think are worth a small fortune.  
And usually they're the worst year, like 1975.

Where they come up with the price I have no idea.  Either they're pulling it 
out of a bodily orifice or they are non-MB people who are blinded by the star, 
as we used to say.

For example, I had the the head of our payroll department stop me in the hall 
the other day and remark about "That really nice Mercedes you drive."  I had to 
laugh after she left, as she drives a fairly late model Bimmer.  If she knew 
the age and price of the car she would probably not believe it.  That's one 
thing that I love about our cars, especially the older models - they're 
timeless and people think they still have significant value.

Maybe that's why these idiots ask ridiculous prices for the cars?

Dan

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> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> That was a nice car and appeared to be priced fairly and well represented.  
>> I passed it to Deneal since he's looking for something like that.
> 
> And there's no way a 450SL is worth as much as a nice Silver Arrow, even if 
> some fool snitched the briefcase out of the SA.
> 
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[MBZ] First Chrysler I've Seen....

...with the dreaded ACC servo.

I knew they originally designed this abortion of a system, but I don't think 
I've ever seen a Chrysler with the system.

BTW, the owner dropped his price on this car - it's down to $8900 from $11.5k.

Certainly is a beautiful land yacht.

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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.


Dan Penoff wrote:

That was a nice car and appeared to be priced fairly and well represented.  I 
passed it to Deneal since he's looking for something like that.


And there's no way a 450SL is worth as much as a nice Silver Arrow, even if some 
fool snitched the briefcase out of the SA.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

On Jul 4, 2013 8:21 AM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:
>
> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3911867371.html
>

Why do people say "title in hand" in car ads?  Is it to reassure the reader
that they're not scam artists trying to sell a car that doesn't actually
belong to them?  I've never had any trouble getting the title to a used car
from the seller.

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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

That was a nice car and appeared to be priced fairly and well represented.  I 
passed it to Deneal since he's looking for something like that.

Dan

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> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Yikes!  Put down the crack pipe and walk away slowly
> 
> For that price, I'd rather have that 2002 Silver Arrow you mentioned 
> yesterday.
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes OMG model


Rich Thomas wrote:

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3913493960.html


Oh, Wilton!
Rich found you a C140 on twetty toos.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes OMG model

So that's what my car would look like with twentytwos.

Wow.  I may be ill shortly.

Dan

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> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3913493960.html
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.


Dan Penoff wrote:

Yikes!  Put down the crack pipe and walk away slowly


For that price, I'd rather have that 2002 Silver Arrow you mentioned yesterday.

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Re: [MBZ] This SDL looks very nice

I especially like the rattle can touch up on the rear bumper cover.

-D

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> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/391306.html
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Re: [MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.

Yikes!  Put down the crack pipe and walk away slowly

-D

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> http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3911867371.html
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[MBZ] This SDL looks very nice


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/391306.html

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[MBZ] It's not just a car, it's a lifestyle.


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3911867371.html

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[MBZ] Mercedes OMG model


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/3913493960.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT Kalebs office


There were monitors there?

--R


On 7/4/13 11:12 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Needs bigger monitors.  I can barely read what's on them.

Dan

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:


Looks very tidy

--R


On 7/3/13 11:28 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/32452

Hendrik
whose office does not look that tidy
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Re: [MBZ] OT Kalebs office

Needs bigger monitors.  I can barely read what's on them.

Dan

On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:53 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

> Looks very tidy
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 7/3/13 11:28 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:
>> http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/32452
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> whose office does not look that tidy
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Re: [MBZ] OT: LinkedIn

2013-07-04 Thread G Mann

NSA  Finally, a government agency that listens

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> NSA has our yearbooks
>
> Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
> '98 ML320 "Max" (167,xxx mi)
>
> On 7/3/2013 3:17 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> So how creepy is this?
>>
>> A coupla weeks ago one night late I got an email from them suggesting I
>> link up with others I might know.  So just sorta surfing I scroll down
>> the list and see a lot of people I used to work with, people I know,
>> people who I sorta knew or heard of but were "friends" with others on my
>> list.  That was kinda fun, but no one I cared to "friend" or whatever
>> you do there.  I hit this one whose picture looks sorta familiar, and
>> the first name is sorta familiar, and I look closer and see it was a
>> girlfriend from some time before I was married, which was 31 years and 1
>> week ago.  I just about sh*t.  Turns out she is linked to a guy I know,
>> two away, but that must include about a million people, and there were
>> only a coupla "2 away" people on the whole list.  So how she popped up
>> there I have no idea, but it really creeped me out.  I figure they must
>> be using some kind of data mining someway somehow, but how she got
>> snared in that I cannot imagine.  Maybe the NSA are behind Linkedin?
>>
>> The years do not appear to have been as kind to her as they have to me,
>> either!
>>
>> --R
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT YouTube Vid "Woman fakes injury in court"


She must be a retired soccer player

--R


On 7/4/13 2:24 AM, Chris James wrote:

Was going through my saved links, just love this one!

Epic performance! "Stop everything", "Call a doctor"! LOL!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrtSvCPaygs





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Re: [MBZ] OT Kalebs office


Looks very tidy

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On 7/3/13 11:28 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

http://www.funnyism.com/i/epicfail/32452

Hendrik
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Re: [MBZ] S class road test


I'll wait for the S65

--R

On 7/4/13 12:00 AM, OK Don wrote:

Step right up, get yours while it's hot! Everyone needs one of these!

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/1306_2014_mercedes_benz_s550_first_drive/




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Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

2013-07-04 Thread rmassmann

Last night I filled out the contact form to cancel my order with Trent and I 
called AMX to dispute the charge for my order.  I will be trying the site 
listed below to get the parts I need.


http://benzpartsforless.com/

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From: Benz Hogs

Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 10:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] TRENT update

but to cover my butt in case Dan was being serious.  He wasn't, which is
what I expected.

Luther   KB5QHUForest Park, IL
'98 ML320 "Max" (167,xxx mi)

On 7/3/2013 7:38 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

Luther wrote:

I think so too, but...


...but... what?
mao



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Re: [MBZ] S class road test

Depends on what you call "S Class" -- there has been a S chassis (for  
heavy) since at least 1953.


That would be the 22S in a couple variants and the 280S.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] S class road test


If W222 is the sixth S-Class, does that make W116 the first?

116,126,140,220,221,222

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT YouTube Vid "Woman fakes injury in court"


Mitch Haley wrote:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrtSvCPaygs


Is that a court, or a city council chamber?

Mitch.



Carson, CA, city council meetings are rather contentious:
http://youtu.be/Fp3B-ekg0E0

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=carson+city+council+meeting+assault

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Re: [MBZ] OT YouTube Vid "Woman fakes injury in court"