date:20140322


fuse that controls the central locking system, blew again,  [2x]


That fuse sucks.  _Everything_ that's got power 24x7 is on there.
Start by looking at things like courtesy lights, radio antenna, etc.
I gutted an SL once chasing this sort of thing.

http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/JSL2log.html#13Aug2008

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel


Three of them broke off at less than 40Nm. One came out like butter...


So, would there be any advantage to doing it while the
engine was _running_?  There's be lots of fresh heat and
vibration to help bust 'em loose.  All you'd want to do was
loosen them, you'd stop the engine to pull them out.

Just a thought.  Don't drop a wrench into the open manifold!

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on


Most electricity is still generated from coal.


In my State, it's something like 90% hydroelectric.
I believe Tesla's web site covers this, State-by-State.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions


huuh how does this work, there can be no torque at zero revolutions.


There is no _power_ at zero revolutions.  Torque is like
voltage: useless by itself.  Torque has to move in order
to generate power, just like voltage (electrons at pressure)
have to move (current) to generate power.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Adobe & MS (OT)

2014-03-22 Thread David Bruckmann

For most mass storage devices, just plug it in via USB. iPhoto should just 
figure it out. 

> On Mar 22, 2014, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not, so bring it on.  Is there a cable connection or wireless?

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Re: [MBZ] Cool 96 E300 Diesel is hot


The way I am reading this you used some sort of penetrator fluid?
Would this not cool off the plugs, thus defeating the purpose of the 
exercise in warming the plugs up to operating temp?


Hendrik
who runs hot and cold

On 23/03/14 16:06, John Reames wrote:

I'm working on it.

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On Mar 22, 2014, at 20:34, Max Dillon  wrote:


Wow, sorry to hear that.  How did you get out the broken plugs?
--
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC


 Original Message 
From: John Reames 
Sent: March 22, 2014 7:32:37 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

Uh-huh.

I have three that say otherwise.

As in I had all the tools laid out ahead, ran it for 30 miles and had the 
manifold off the engine in approximately 10 minutes after shutoff.

I used a torque wrench and was worrying them with lots of penetrant.

Three of them broke off at less than 40Nm. One came out like butter (so easy I 
thought it snapped!), one was okay-ish, and number 6 outright fought me, but I 
got it out without an issue.

It had been on a 100mi each way trip in the week beforehand and given several 
Italian tuneups; it was no longer emitting clouds when given one.

Hot may help, but it is NOT the answer.
--
John W Reames




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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving secretly

Ooooh will they get to wear a fancy cloak type things and do funky stuff 
like sacrifice chickens?

http://www.haunted-yorkshire.co.uk/secret%20societies.jpg

Hendrik
who may well be the first order of business for the secret order

On 23/03/14 15:38, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:
In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he 
bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as 
moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day 
suspensions.

Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

2014-03-22 Thread John Reames

I'm working on it.

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On Mar 22, 2014, at 20:34, Max Dillon  wrote:

> Wow, sorry to hear that.  How did you get out the broken plugs?
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: John Reames 
> Sent: March 22, 2014 7:32:37 PM EDT
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel
> 
> Uh-huh.
> 
> I have three that say otherwise.
> 
> As in I had all the tools laid out ahead, ran it for 30 miles and had the 
> manifold off the engine in approximately 10 minutes after shutoff.
> 
> I used a torque wrench and was worrying them with lots of penetrant.
> 
> Three of them broke off at less than 40Nm. One came out like butter (so easy 
> I thought it snapped!), one was okay-ish, and number 6 outright fought me, 
> but I got it out without an issue.
> 
> It had been on a 100mi each way trip in the week beforehand and given several 
> Italian tuneups; it was no longer emitting clouds when given one.
> 
> Hot may help, but it is NOT the answer.
> --
> John W Reames
> jream...@verizon.net
> Home: +14106646986
> Mobile: +14437915905
> 
> On Mar 22, 2014, at 14:36, Max Dillon  wrote:
> 
>> The secret to changing glow plugs on the OM606 is to only attempt removal 
>> when the engine is HOT!  They come right out, like butter
>> -- 
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>> Charleston, SC
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

I really like pickled okra and okra sauteed in butter with onions.  Fried okra 
is ok.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC


 Original Message 
From: Mountain Man 
Sent: March 22, 2014 9:02:59 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving


I have been eating okra lately.


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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-22 Thread arche...@embarqmail.com

This is a common problem on many other lists.  The most successful 
solution I've seen is to have only one rule:  NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.  If a 
member persists with personal attacks he/she will be suspended for 30 
days.  In order for the list owner to avoid hostility from the people he 
bans, the list owner privately selects up to fifteen members as 
moderators whose only function will be to secretly vote on 30 day 
suspensions.  The votes will be sent to someone on the list whom 
everyone trusts; usually the list owner ; and the list owner will then 
take the member off the list if a majority of moderators have agreed.  
Any time after 30 days the member can rejoin.
Members can attack other members position on whatever is being 
discussed, but not other members personally.


In the 8 years I've been on one list, only two members out of 150 were 
given 30 day suspensions and both returned as valuable list members.  
The fact that the rule is there and will be enforced has a very calming 
effect on members who tend to be too outspoken.


Some hosting services have a way to conduct a survey of X number of 
moderators so that no moderators votes will be revealed.  I don't know 
if Kalebs has one or not.

Gerry

On 3/22/2014 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
  There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the list
is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
useful.

How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?

Jaime


On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!

Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.

I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to
several thousand dollars.

He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.

If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who
do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing
to help people find good sources for good parts.)

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving kaleb insane

Sure I got no problem with that, don't read most of the pearls of wisdom 
from Florida anyway.
It's just that in our culture we can't stand someone who has a big mouth 
in the playground but when told to shut up runs crying home to Mum and 
says he got bullied.


Hendrik
who is gonna tell his mum that kaleb is a bully

On 23/03/14 05:08, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me if I 
missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a problem with 
each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering, fighting, or 
anything at all directed at one another. What does that mean? It means hendrik 
and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary should not talk to or about 
the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and forth. Everyone is sick if it. 
Take it to banned and have at it if you want but keep the name calling, foul 
language etc of here, period. If I see it again beyond today, I will start 
putting people on moderation status. If that does not work they will be banned. 
If the problem continues you will just shut down the list. This is not just 
directed at the 3 people above, it is directed at everyone. If you think you 
want to attack somebody, accuse them of something, think twice before posting 
it. It should not happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any so

rt of official parts supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do 
not buy from him. You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many 
complaints from many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but 
knowing Gary that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that 
said I do not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be 
attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only natural 
if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just keeps it going. No 
attacks in the first place means no problems.







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Re: [MBZ] 25,000 Unix servers hacked, mao stands and applauds

Yes but if no one wanted to enter my property illegally I would not need 
to lock it.

I don't lock stuff up to keep out nice people!

Hackers do not see holes in software they see vulnerability in security.
yes the awful truth is better to have these people do it for a hobby 
than the north Koreans looking to find the last time the prez had a ciggy.
And you'll probably find that a lot of these hackers are employed for 
their skills by companies and governments.


Hendrik
who is about to have a ciggy

On 23/03/14 13:29, Mountain Man wrote:

H&F wrote:

Speaking of hackers, yes I can understand the difference between hackers and
cyber criminals but cyber criminals use the knowledge of hackers to do bad
things, often the victim being the little guy.

Here's another way to think about hackers and their usefulness.  We
are clear in our call out of many things and then we do the job of
fixing it.  We don't look at a fire burning the house down and walk
away saying it ain't so - no, we get the water on the fire to fix it
and then we repair the damage.  Or, since this is okiebenz, we don't
look at our low oil and say it ain't so - no, we top off with M1 or
okra water... wait, I already admitted the okra slippery is not good
in heat.  When someone (hacker) sees a hole in software a fix happens
- we don't just ignore or disavow its existence, we fix the problem.
That is the usefulness of hackers, I think.  They show us the problem
that is not known so that the grand program can be fixed.
mao



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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

It measures the point where a drill stops drilling and becomes a smoke 
machine.


Hendrik
who is behaving sort of kind of

On 23/03/14 14:13, Rich Thomas wrote:

So what does a torque wrench measure?

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

Yeah I can see that but a motor doing 0 rpm is off in my way of thinking.
How can torque be produced without revolution.
Anyway it's a technicality.

Hendrik
who is being technical again


On 23/03/14 12:23, OK Don wrote:
It has max torque to start turning from a stop, then it is turning - got to
start somewhere! I suspect this is the reason that locomotives use electric
motors to turn the wheels.
Of course, it might just work the other way around in your up-side-down
metric world  :-)





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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

OK so torque is the thing that causes smoke to come out of the drill 
once it's jammed?

Torque smoke?

Hendrik
who is now seeing clearer that the smoke has gone

On 23/03/14 13:17, Craig wrote:

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 22:22:01 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:


0.1 rpm then if that makes you happier.

As I recall from physics back when, torque= I * [alpha] where I is the
angular/rotational inertia and alpha is the angular acceleration, sorta
like F=mA.  Neither say anything about actual motion.  You can have a
force F without any motion, e.g., gravity acting on a mass (unless of
course you are on the wrong side of the planet in which case you might
fall off).

Perhaps some physicists might want to weigh in

Sure.

Torque = Force x Lever Arm

That's regardless of whether anything is turning or how fast it is
turning.

When you are at the final stage of torquing a bolt, you have the torque
wrench deflected (assuming a beam-type torque wrench), but you are not
rotating the bolt. You have torque but no rotation.

Now suppose you gently move a steam locomotive up to an immense concrete
barrier. After stopping with the front of the locomotive touching the
concrete, so it's impossible to move, you open the steam valve some (not
all the way because then you spin the wheels). The steam is pushing on
the top of the piston and the force is then transmitted through the
connecting rod to the wheels. You have torque, but no motion, either
rotary or linear. Because the steam can flow to equilibrium pressures
and then stop flowing, you will get maximum torque. When the concrete
barrier is removed and the locomotive is moving, steam has to flow
continuously into the cylinder, not quite reaching the maximum pressure
because the piston is always receeding. Thus you have maximum torque at
zero RPM.

Verstehen Sie?


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

So what does a torque wrench measure?

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:29 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

Yeah I can see that but a motor doing 0 rpm is off in my way of thinking.
How can torque be produced without revolution.
Anyway it's a technicality.

Hendrik
who is being technical again

> On 23/03/14 12:23, OK Don wrote:
> It has max torque to start turning from a stop, then it is turning - got to
> start somewhere! I suspect this is the reason that locomotives use electric
> motors to turn the wheels.
> Of course, it might just work the other way around in your up-side-down
> metric world  :-)
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:
>> 
>> huuh how does this work, there can be no torque at zero revolutions.
>> Or was this explained in another one of those classes that I missed?
>> I can understand max torque at 1 rpm.
>> 
>> Hendrik
>> who is confused.again
>> 
>>> On 22/03/14 05:51, Rich Thomas wrote:
>>> 
>>> You don't really need a tranny with an electric, or at most 2 speeds, as
>>> the electric motor has max torque at 0 rpm.
>>> 
>>> --R


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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto drill revolutions

Yes much happier thank you, perhaps it would be better to say that an 
electric motor has the same amount of torque available regardless of RPM?
Yes torque is the thing that breaks your wrist as you hold onto that big 
drill with one hand, actually I remember back in the day these small 
drills with big kick ass motors in the them and no secondary handle 
where popular, not sure if any here remember them, they where solid 
metal and had a big loop type handle on the back. We used to put a metal 
bar through this loop to act as a secondary handle.
Whereas horse power is the thing that keeps the drill spinning until it 
winds the power cord tight enough around itself to break it.
See no need for the fancy formulas that you could not have gotten from 
education.


Hendrik
who has a big Bosch drill which has a secondary handle but sometimes 
needs more


On 23/03/14 12:52, Rich Thomas wrote:

0.1 rpm then if that makes you happier.

As I recall from physics back when, torque= I * [alpha] where I is the 
angular/rotational inertia and alpha is the angular acceleration, 
sorta like F=mA.  Neither say anything about actual motion.  You can 
have a force F without any motion, e.g., gravity acting on a mass 
(unless of course you are on the wrong side of the planet in which 
case you might fall off).


Perhaps some physicists might want to weigh in

--R



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Re: [MBZ] Electrics has been invented


Mountain Man wrote:

 Education
is pure indoctrination in religion.  There are sooo many closed doors
to discovery in education. 


Harry Chapin had an interesting view on education:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cVpkzZpDBA

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Re: [MBZ] 25,000 Unix servers hacked, mao applauds

Rick wrote:
> That is a lot of patents.
> Not all are drek?

I ain't no Einstein.
For response to that you might want to ask Albert.
But I would posit that most is drek, i.e. money grab
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 25,000 Unix servers hacked, mao applauds

2014-03-22 Thread Rick Knoble

From: Mountain ManSent: Friday, March 21, 2014 8:14 PMTo: Mercedes Discussion ListReply To: Mercedes Discussion ListSubject: Re: [MBZ] 25,000 Unix servers hacked, mao applaudsRick wrote:> What a depressing point of view>> Glad it's not mine...> Glad it's not true...Drive by comment?Pretty much. Or do you care to make your point?Go ahead and show where innovation and invention is alive and well inany segment of this culture/economy.http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/ac/ido/oeip/taf/st_co_13.htmThat is a lot of patents. Not all are drek? Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions


Yeah I can see that but a motor doing 0 rpm is off in my way of thinking.
How can torque be produced without revolution.
Anyway it's a technicality.

Hendrik
who is being technical again

On 23/03/14 12:23, OK Don wrote:

It has max torque to start turning from a stop, then it is turning - got to
start somewhere! I suspect this is the reason that locomotives use electric
motors to turn the wheels.
Of course, it might just work the other way around in your up-side-down
metric world  :-)


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:


huuh how does this work, there can be no torque at zero revolutions.
Or was this explained in another one of those classes that I missed?
I can understand max torque at 1 rpm.

Hendrik
who is confused.again

On 22/03/14 05:51, Rich Thomas wrote:


You don't really need a tranny with an electric, or at most 2 speeds, as
the electric motor has max torque at 0 rpm.

--R









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Re: [MBZ] Electrics has been invented

H&F wrote:
> Perhaps home schooling by a bunch of know nothing parents who like to wear
> silver foil on their heads
...
> who now has to pick on mountain man

Hear Hear - pick on mao...
You are approaching the dialog on innovation and invention that I want
to draw Rick in to also, since he thinks I have my head in the sand?
To say education today approximates "..gaining of knowledge about
technology and ideas..." is hiding your head in the sand.  Education
is pure indoctrination in religion.  There are sooo many closed doors
to discovery in education.  It is not unlike the local religion house.
 Billions and billions of years is the only acceptable indoctrination
instead of a plethora of religions explanation of things.  It is the
same drab one way or the highway that drives what we call technology
today.  Tech today is not anything but further development of old
inventions such as electricity or radio or internal combustion or
assembly line, etc.  What about other new things that can take another
hundred years to perfect like our communication devices and computers
have perfected electricity and radio?  Time travel?  Zombies?  Humor?
See where this goes?  We are stuck with telephones of AlexBell morphed
to personal communication devices today, etc.  We are living with the
buggy whips of years ago and think buggy whips are the cat's meow.  We
need to get our heads out of the sand about free market, about
education, about religion, about diversity, about humanity, about
multinational overlords.
Your turn.
mao

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Holland_Duell
> Innovation is th technology/ideas.
> Invention is the creation of new technology/ideas using in part innovation.
> Education is the gaining of knowledge about technology and ideas.
>
> Perhaps you could enlighten us to how YOU would present this knowledge to
> children, perhaps running barefoot under the trees, the suns rays will
> cosmically infuse their young minds with the wisdom of aeons?
> Perhaps home schooling by a bunch of know nothing parents who like to wear
> silver foil on their heads because the government is draining the diversity
> out of their children?
> I am not saying that the education system is without flaws but I can't see
> how it has altered that drastically, to the point that it is dysfunctional.
>
> Hendrik
> who now has to pick on mountain man
>
> On 22/03/14 11:36, Mountain Man wrote:
>>
>> Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> What has happened along the way?
>>
>> Diversity has killed all innovation.
>> We do not have diversity.
>> All science is already known and nothing new can be innovated or
>> invented.  That is what has happened along the way.  Education is not
>> education - it is indoctrination that quashes innovation and
>> inventiveness.  Take a good hard look at that.
>> mao
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving away

Yeah Kaleb think of the children, next thing you know they'll all have 
potty mouths and getting drunk.
Seriously though, we all pretty much know where we stand now and better 
to have it out in the open and dealt with than festering away in the 
background.


Hendrik
who is barely technical but pretends otherwise

On 23/03/14 04:20, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
  There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the list
is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
useful.

How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?

Jaime


On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:


Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!

Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.

I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to
several thousand dollars.

He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.

If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who
do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing
to help people find good sources for good parts.)






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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto dead boring cars

The key word here was transportation. Which is getting from A to B using 
transport.
Question is, can you buy a nice MB Diesel (240D?) for 5k and then spend 
5k on fuel to be in the same place that the pious will leave you?
It's my understanding that the hybrids are trouble in regards you got a 
petrol drive train to maintain and an electric drive train to maintain.

Plus all the other car bits, suspension, electrics, etc
Have a read here 
http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/toyota/prius/2006/single-page/
I can see the sense in a fully electric car, as in theory there is less 
to go wrong but obviously the reality is different. "oooh you need a new 
control unit for the electric thingamajiggy? That will be $3k Sir, plus 
tax and no you can't buy these off a fat dude in Florida"


Hendrik
who once drove in a pious taxi in LV, rattly rubbish

On 23/03/14 01:29, Curt Raymond wrote:

And have one of the most boring cars on the road. Thats not living, its just 
not knowing you're dead yet...

This is the only good way to deal with a Prius: 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DFzl6ZU5k

Roadkill is awesome, if you aren't watching it you should be. Dirt Every Day 
too.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2014 08:13:42 -0400
From: "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
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There was a (2006?) Prius in the Tampa paper for $8000.  It was
tempting.  Put a new "big battery" in it and you'd have pretty good
transportation for around $10,000 providing there weren't serious
problems elsewhere.
Gerry



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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-22 Thread Scott Ritchey


Andrew,

I would like to see the numbers on this.  

For example:
   -What is the daily KWh replenishment goal?  
   -How many square meters of solar cells would be required?  
   -Assuming the car is driven during the day what battery capacity would be
needed to store datlight energy and recharge the car at night?  
   -What is the excess battery capacity allowance for cloudy days?  
   -What are the assumed solar collection and energy conversion
efficiencies?  -What is the design range of latitudes?  
   -What is the useful life and annual de-rating for the solar cells and
batteries?  

Similar but more complex design issues exist for wind energy (wind is less
predictable than sunrise).

In short, are there data and facts to support your assertions?

Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Andrew Strasfogel
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 4:18 PM
> 
> Hey, if the recharging is by solar or wind energy there is zero pollution.
> Rooftop solar + electric car = bliss.
> 
> Although I would hate to give up my 300TDs
> 
> Andrew
> Feeling no guilt whatsoever because he is a mass of contradictions
> 1983 300TD needs rear struts
> 1985 300TD garage queen, needs RR caliper
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Henifay driving an excavator


Ugggh, it's idiots like this why we have a million plus rules to follow.

See mao innovation is alive.

Hendrik
who follows some of the rules some of the time

On 23/03/14 00:55, Rich Thomas wrote:
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/what-to-do-if-your-truck-runs-out-of-gas-and-you-carry-1549033927/@jesusdiaz 



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Re: [MBZ] Delta


roger...@comcast.net wrote:
Guys, 
I know some of you have had bad experiences with Delta. I flew Delta years ago when I traveled for NCR with no problems, but I also realize that times change. I'm attaching a link that shows what the Delta baggage handlers do for "fallen soldiers". May not make you feel better about the whole airline, but 



And then there's United baggage handling at O'Hare:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

i still try to be kleb's friend.  i like him very much and i like his
family.  that he comes here and starts the conversation with how he has to
"ban" me because he thinks it will impress the scumbags is more sad than
anything.  the scumbags will not be his friend and they might just turn on
him as well as they are without moral center but merely kick whomever they
think they can get away with kicking

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

> Gary wrote:
> > i try very hard to be friends with kleb but he doesn't understand that
> you
> > don't treat a friend this way.  he is ignorant and i can't communicate
> with
> > him
>
> Hear Hear
> Now we got richarde drawn in to this fiasco.
> I love okiebenz fiascos - they draw out our color and leave the drab
> in the past.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Milts 96 E300 Diesel rustbucket

It's my understanding, that unless it's well advanced, it's hard to spot
and paint has to be removed to confirm existence of tin worm in spring.

Bio-degradable wirring arness nastiness?
Unless cheap I would not buy without proper inspection.
There is a reason it's at auction. Kent Bergsma explains it well in his
series on buying an older Benz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9GT0cesP0A&list=PLtRKk64pu2wor0z1jFnOhv6LIBlIh1Kxa&index=6
Then there is the issue of buyers premium/auctioneers fee which makes
buying at auction an not so attractive thing.
You're best off to set yourself a limit and stick to it, you might get a
cheap car but it may not be a bargain.

Remember the golden rule, there is no such thing as a cheap Merc.
Lastly be warned it could have a big hole in the roof but that afflicts
a lot of cars.

Hendrik
who lives in a place where 210's don't rust as much

On 23/03/14 00:48, WILTON wrote:

What should one (I) pay for a 96 E300D at auction if the spring perches haven't
rusted out, and how can I check 'em readily without crawling around under it
with a flashlight? Can I readily see what is necessary from above with hood
up? BTW, 'haven't seen it yet and mileage unknown. May not get to see it 'til
day before the auction. It's in Eastern NC; if it's been here all of its life,
rust a should be nil.

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Gary wrote:
> i try very hard to be friends with kleb but he doesn't understand that you
> don't treat a friend this way.  he is ignorant and i can't communicate with
> him

Hear Hear
Now we got richarde drawn in to this fiasco.
I love okiebenz fiascos - they draw out our color and leave the drab
in the past.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 25,000 Unix servers hacked, mao stands and applauds

H&F wrote:
> Speaking of hackers, yes I can understand the difference between hackers and
> cyber criminals but cyber criminals use the knowledge of hackers to do bad
> things, often the victim being the little guy.

Here's another way to think about hackers and their usefulness.  We
are clear in our call out of many things and then we do the job of
fixing it.  We don't look at a fire burning the house down and walk
away saying it ain't so - no, we get the water on the fire to fix it
and then we repair the damage.  Or, since this is okiebenz, we don't
look at our low oil and say it ain't so - no, we top off with M1 or
okra water... wait, I already admitted the okra slippery is not good
in heat.  When someone (hacker) sees a hole in software a fix happens
- we don't just ignore or disavow its existence, we fix the problem.
That is the usefulness of hackers, I think.  They show us the problem
that is not known so that the grand program can be fixed.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Electrics has been invented


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Holland_Duell
Innovation is the application of known technology/ideas.
Invention is the creation of new technology/ideas using in part innovation.
Education is the gaining of knowledge about technology and ideas.

Perhaps you could enlighten us to how YOU would present this knowledge 
to children, perhaps running barefoot under the trees, the suns rays 
will cosmically infuse their young minds with the wisdom of aeons?
Perhaps home schooling by a bunch of know nothing parents who like to 
wear silver foil on their heads because the government is draining the 
diversity out of their children?
I am not saying that the education system is without flaws but I can't 
see how it has altered that drastically, to the point that it is 
dysfunctional.


Hendrik
who now has to pick on mountain man

On 22/03/14 11:36, Mountain Man wrote:

Roger wrote:

What has happened along the way?

Diversity has killed all innovation.
We do not have diversity.
All science is already known and nothing new can be innovated or
invented.  That is what has happened along the way.  Education is not
education - it is indoctrination that quashes innovation and
inventiveness.  Take a good hard look at that.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

richard says my only course is legal action against kleb.  he has let this
shit go on for 5 years now and has not done a single thing to stop it.  if
anything , he encourages daily attacks against me from these scumbags and
then screams about banning me when i object

i try very hard to be friends with kleb but he doesn't understand that you
don't treat a friend this way.  he is ignorant and i can't communicate with
him


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

> Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
>  There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
> seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the list
> is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
> useful.
>
> How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
> > with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
> > fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
> >
> > Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
> > not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
> >
> > I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
> > from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts
> to
> > several thousand dollars.
> >
> > He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
> > customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
> >
> > If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who
> > do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just
> willing
> > to help people find good sources for good parts.)
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah King Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:26 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Chowdah King

i just want to get the right crown for the coronation


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:

>
> I get a lot from the list and listers, which is why I exercise a great deal
> of tolerance...
>
> Yeah. What he said.
>
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

2014-03-22 Thread Craig

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 22:22:01 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:

> 0.1 rpm then if that makes you happier.
> 
> As I recall from physics back when, torque= I * [alpha] where I is the 
> angular/rotational inertia and alpha is the angular acceleration, sorta 
> like F=mA.  Neither say anything about actual motion.  You can have a 
> force F without any motion, e.g., gravity acting on a mass (unless of 
> course you are on the wrong side of the planet in which case you might 
> fall off).
> 
> Perhaps some physicists might want to weigh in

Sure.

Torque = Force x Lever Arm

That's regardless of whether anything is turning or how fast it is
turning. 

When you are at the final stage of torquing a bolt, you have the torque
wrench deflected (assuming a beam-type torque wrench), but you are not
rotating the bolt. You have torque but no rotation.

Now suppose you gently move a steam locomotive up to an immense concrete
barrier. After stopping with the front of the locomotive touching the
concrete, so it's impossible to move, you open the steam valve some (not
all the way because then you spin the wheels). The steam is pushing on
the top of the piston and the force is then transmitted through the
connecting rod to the wheels. You have torque, but no motion, either
rotary or linear. Because the steam can flow to equilibrium pressures
and then stop flowing, you will get maximum torque. When the concrete
barrier is removed and the locomotive is moving, steam has to flow
continuously into the cylinder, not quite reaching the maximum pressure
because the piston is always receeding. Thus you have maximum torque at
zero RPM.

Verstehen Sie?

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

sexton says they sound like shakespeare with original pronunciation


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

> How so? Many years ago I went to a conference in Ontario &  they made fun
> of the 'goofy neufies". Not the dogs either.
>
> On Mar 22, 2014 9:27 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Newfoundland trumps all the provinces.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Andrew wrote:
> > > > Don't insult the chap - he's from  Manitoba.
> > >
> > > Yeah...
> > > Sorry Randy.
> > > I guess I coulda said Quebec - that might be the ultimate insult.
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Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

this andrew is no dumbass!  i hope he is not one of my enemies as i do like
a fellow who knows the answer to the question


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Newfoundland trumps all the provinces.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
>
> > Andrew wrote:
> > > Don't insult the chap - he's from  Manitoba.
> >
> > Yeah...
> > Sorry Randy.
> > I guess I coulda said Quebec - that might be the ultimate insult.
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

OK Don wrote:
> It's all in the technique   works with either fresh or frozen okra.
>

I soak in water overnight and drink the thick water in the morning for
the health of it and then eat the pieces.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 25,000 Unix servers hacked, mao stands and applauds


Mummy said I am not old enough for big boy pants.

Anyway the thing is that this is a cat and mouse game which adds nothing 
to the performance of the software but adds a lot of bloat which 
detracts from the performance.
I spend a lot of years in front of windows machines and a fair bit of 
that time was taken up with installing patches and updates to fix holes 
in the security. Not fixing problems with the performance of the OS 
(sure there where a few of them).
Finding a vulnerability in a OS is not an innovation, just a waste of 
resources that could be used to build better software.
Yeah sure it's a sad fact of life that everything needs to be under lock 
and key and we have to live with the constant fear that we will get 
robbed or such.


The joke being that Linux is relatively secure because it is partly 
coded by hackers.


Speaking of hackers, yes I can understand the difference between hackers 
and cyber criminals but cyber criminals use the knowledge of hackers to 
do bad things, often the victim being the little guy.


Just so it is perhaps a bit clearer, Linus Torvalds (who looks a bit 
like someone else I know http://www.wmsbrg.com/benz/rustybbq/ no not the 
big guy, the skinny runt in between the big boys) releasing an operating 
system free of charge is innovation, finding a security loophole in 
windows is what some loner in his/her Mums basement does for fun.


Anywho i think this list proves that diversity is alive and viscous.

Who was it that said a while back that everything that could be invented 
has been invented and that the patent office should shut up shop?


Hendrik
who struggles along in this bizarre world

On 22/03/14 10:25, Mountain Man wrote:

H&F wrote:

??? These people are vandals at best and criminals at worst.
If it wasn't for these scumbags...

Get your big boy pants on and recognize that these people have skill
that nobody is employing.  These people are as innovative and
inventive as Wibur & Orville or any other outside-the-box approach to
status quo.  You probably wrongfully assume that they are out there
stealing.  viz. Kevin Mitnick, Edward Snowden, etc.  Sure some steal a
bit but then the inside-the-box designers get to work and fix things.
If nobody does odd things with what is, we continue to swallow the
hogwash dealt to us.  That does not define progress or diversity.
Diversity is dead.
Progress is dead.
Innovation is dead.
Invention is dead.
mao


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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions


0.1 rpm then if that makes you happier.

As I recall from physics back when, torque= I * [alpha] where I is the 
angular/rotational inertia and alpha is the angular acceleration, sorta 
like F=mA.  Neither say anything about actual motion.  You can have a 
force F without any motion, e.g., gravity acting on a mass (unless of 
course you are on the wrong side of the planet in which case you might 
fall off).


Perhaps some physicists might want to weigh in

--R


On 3/22/14 9:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote:

huuh how does this work, there can be no torque at zero revolutions.
Or was this explained in another one of those classes that I missed?
I can understand max torque at 1 rpm.

Hendrik
who is confused.again

On 22/03/14 05:51, Rich Thomas wrote:
You don't really need a tranny with an electric, or at most 2 speeds, 
as the electric motor has max torque at 0 rpm.


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[MBZ] Delta

2014-03-22 Thread rogerhga

Guys, 
I know some of you have had bad experiences with Delta. I flew Delta years ago 
when I traveled for NCR with no problems, but I also realize that times change. 
I'm attaching a link that shows what the Delta baggage handlers do for "fallen 
soldiers". May not make you feel better about the whole airline, but 

http://www.youtube.com/embed/c_VGxfmDmEo 

Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
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Re: [MBZ] Now electrics -- People are generally holding onto Datsun

Absolutely. It is a tin can as it is. Sounds like a winning combination.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Mar 22, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

I am pretty sure the Datsun 510 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datsun_510 was not 
the most safest car in the world, filling it with explosive and acidic 
batteries sounds like a disaster in the making.
Then the issue of battery life comes into play which essentially is the big 
ticket item in running costs.
Cost per charge?

DB did build a prototype W201 electric car
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/classic/how-the-mercedes-benz-w201-paved-the-way-for-compact-cars/attachment/mercedes-benz-history-a93f1051/

Hendrik
who has not driven an electric car

> On 22/03/14 00:26, Rich Thomas wrote:
> I have my granddaddy's 72 Datsun wagon sitting in storage, complete in 
> generally good condition except for the sitting in the barn and mice and 
> such.  In researching it I found an active group who converted these things 
> to electric using forklift motors and battery packs in the floor, mostly 
> lead-acid marine batteries.  The whole deal looked fairly straightforward and 
> not too expensive except for the controller that was a bit pricey.  The 
> ranges were fairly short but probably enough for around-town errands.  I see 
> Smart cars around now and then, have wondered if those things would be a good 
> platform for a hybrid or battery setup.  Saw a Nissan Leaf yesterday, which 
> aside from being fairly ugly, was quite small.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-22 Thread Dieselhead


Everyone is entitled except us - - -


we are entitled to pay the bills for those who feel entitled.

Add goobermnt employees to the list of those who feel entitled.

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions

It has max torque to start turning from a stop, then it is turning - got to
start somewhere! I suspect this is the reason that locomotives use electric
motors to turn the wheels.
Of course, it might just work the other way around in your up-side-down
metric world  :-)

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:40 PM, Hendrik and Fay  wrote:

> huuh how does this work, there can be no torque at zero revolutions.
> Or was this explained in another one of those classes that I missed?
> I can understand max torque at 1 rpm.
>
> Hendrik
> who is confused.again
>
> On 22/03/14 05:51, Rich Thomas wrote:
>
>> You don't really need a tranny with an electric, or at most 2 speeds, as
>> the electric motor has max torque at 0 rpm.
>>
>> --R
>>
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Renault self shifters

I think MB had something similar in the Roundies and A class at one 
stage, the concept being the efficiency of a manual box with the 
convenience of an auto box.
However all these types of boxes seem to be unreliable as they rely on a 
lot of whizz bang technology.

Whizz bang is something that goes whizz and then bang.
According to wikipedia Renault used two types of self shifting manuals, 
first one with servos and the second with electro-mechanical clutch.


Hendrik
who does the shifting himself via big lever

On 22/03/14 08:07, Dan Penoff wrote:

My sister's Dauphine had a "pushbutton" transmission which fascinated the heck out of me. 
 By this time I had a full understanding of how a manual transmission worked, having built a 
"Visible V-8" model and the chassis that went with it.  I couldn't grasp how they made a 
pushbutton transmission at that point.

Looking back I suspect it was similar to the Automatic Stickshift that was 
available on Beetles.  If anyone knows differently, I would be interested in 
the details.

if there was just a world wide resource of information I could consult.

Dan

On Mar 21, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:


When I was a little kid the guy next door had a Renault Dauphine for some 
reason, sort of a light blue color, probably because he got it cheap from 
somewhere.  i recall him spending several evenings underneath the thing as it 
was parked on the street.  My dad said he was rebuilding the engine. I am 
guessing it was the bottom end, somehow.  Being furrin my dad had a low opinion 
of it which was probably justified.  Anyway he did not keep it long after that.

The guy was something of a jackleg (and was named Jack Dancer), they had 2 kids 
and a pet raccoon.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto no revolutions


huuh how does this work, there can be no torque at zero revolutions.
Or was this explained in another one of those classes that I missed?
I can understand max torque at 1 rpm.

Hendrik
who is confused.again

On 22/03/14 05:51, Rich Thomas wrote:
You don't really need a tranny with an electric, or at most 2 speeds, 
as the electric motor has max torque at 0 rpm.


--R



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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

It's all in the technique   works with either fresh or frozen okra.

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:29 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Slimeless okra?  That's like a barkless dog, a cherry w/o a stone,..
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

How so? Many years ago I went to a conference in Ontario &  they made fun
of the 'goofy neufies". Not the dogs either.

On Mar 22, 2014 9:27 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:
>
> Newfoundland trumps all the provinces.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Mountain Man 
wrote:
>
> > Andrew wrote:
> > > Don't insult the chap - he's from  Manitoba.
> >
> > Yeah...
> > Sorry Randy.
> > I guess I coulda said Quebec - that might be the ultimate insult.
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Slimeless okra?  That's like a barkless dog, a cherry w/o a stone,..


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:13 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> Our okra is not very slippery - start it in a frying pan with a bit of EVOO
> and the lid on. After is starts to get soft, take the lid off and let it
> dry out some. Nicely cooked okra, no slime.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Mountain Man 
> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have been eating okra lately.
> > Not quite oil, but... okra is quite like oil.
> > It occurred to me that okra might substitute for decent personal
> > lubricant? since it is sooo slippery.  Okra lube does not work for
> > heat situations, but it certainly is slippery and green for most other
> > needs of slippery, I suggest.  Yes, things come out the other end
> > slippery also.
> > mao
> >
> >
> --
> OK Don
>
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
>
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Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

Newfoundland trumps all the provinces.


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > Don't insult the chap - he's from  Manitoba.
>
> Yeah...
> Sorry Randy.
> I guess I coulda said Quebec - that might be the ultimate insult.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Everyone is entitled except us - - -

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > Most electricity is still generated from coal.
>
> Which has its own sets of entitlements.
> mao
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Our okra is not very slippery - start it in a frying pan with a bit of EVOO
and the lid on. After is starts to get soft, take the lid off and let it
dry out some. Nicely cooked okra, no slime.

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

>
> I have been eating okra lately.
> Not quite oil, but... okra is quite like oil.
> It occurred to me that okra might substitute for decent personal
> lubricant? since it is sooo slippery.  Okra lube does not work for
> heat situations, but it certainly is slippery and green for most other
> needs of slippery, I suggest.  Yes, things come out the other end
> slippery also.
> mao
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Andrew wrote:
> Most electricity is still generated from coal.

Which has its own sets of entitlements.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

Andrew wrote:
> Don't insult the chap - he's from  Manitoba.

Yeah...
Sorry Randy.
I guess I coulda said Quebec - that might be the ultimate insult.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

OK Don wrote:
> Nope, but my wife has started buying grape seed oil to use when she doesn't
> want to use EVOO.

I have been eating okra lately.
Not quite oil, but... okra is quite like oil.
It occurred to me that okra might substitute for decent personal
lubricant? since it is sooo slippery.  Okra lube does not work for
heat situations, but it certainly is slippery and green for most other
needs of slippery, I suggest.  Yes, things come out the other end
slippery also.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Kaleb wrote:
> ...I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering, fighting, or anything 
> at all directed at one another. What does that mean?
>

The tough Spencer daddy thing comes out.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Most electricity is still generated from coal.


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> Andrew wrote:
> > You want entitled?  How about the oil companies with their tax breaks?
> >
>
> Exactly!!
> Or how about the electric companies with their entitlements and lack
> of concern about coal or nuke development.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Jaime wrote:
> Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
>

Better yet, Kaleb - we shall now call this list banned.
Start a new okiembz list that will have nice dialog.
This list (banned) can trash anyone, everyone, all the time - and then
we will have banned back to what it has been.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Gary wrote:
> who wears an akubra snowy river hat?

I do.
I have worn it for 25 years.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

Don't insult the chap - he's from  Manitoba.


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:

> OK Don wrote:
> > Where's Snook when we need him???
>
> Randy is a lawyer in Alberta - correct?
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Andrew wrote:
> You want entitled?  How about the oil companies with their tax breaks?
>

Exactly!!
Or how about the electric companies with their entitlements and lack
of concern about coal or nuke development.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Dan wrote:
> ...factor in the cost and effects of producing the electricity to charge them.
>

Exactly.
Also include the coal mining or nuke refining and all disposal costs
for the waste products of production of plastics and lithium/lead for
batteries and oil production and clean up, etc.  There are costs
nobody considers in determining miles per gallon or environment.  We
need to be aware of the hidden costs instead of coercing us with the
word environment as a sole factor.  All the same, if I had an electric
I could do most of the driving I need and rent a diesel/gas car to
take a long drive.  Better yet, zip car or other manifestations of
group car use.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Now electrics -- People are generally holding onto Datsun

I am pretty sure the Datsun 510 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datsun_510
was not the most safest car in the world, filling it with explosive and
acidic batteries sounds like a disaster in the making.
Then the issue of battery life comes into play which essentially is the
big ticket item in running costs.

Cost per charge?

DB did build a prototype W201 electric car
http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/classic/how-the-mercedes-benz-w201-paved-the-way-for-compact-cars/attachment/mercedes-benz-history-a93f1051/

Hendrik
who has not driven an electric car

On 22/03/14 00:26, Rich Thomas wrote:
I have my granddaddy's 72 Datsun wagon sitting in storage, complete in
generally good condition except for the sitting in the barn and mice
and such. In researching it I found an active group who converted
these things to electric using forklift motors and battery packs in
the floor, mostly lead-acid marine batteries. The whole deal looked
fairly straightforward and not too expensive except for the controller
that was a bit pricey. The ranges were fairly short but probably
enough for around-town errands. I see Smart cars around now and then,
have wondered if those things would be a good platform for a hybrid or
battery setup. Saw a Nissan Leaf yesterday, which aside from being
fairly ugly, was quite small.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Gary wrote:
> my mom is 82

my mom is 89


> ...she is odds on to outlive me based on
> present conditions

same here.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Nope, but my wife has started buying grape seed oil to use when she doesn't
want to use EVOO.

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> OK - fair enough.
>
> I bough some rice bran oil a Trader Joe's.  It has a very high flash point
> and is great for stir frying. Also, although it costs more than canola oil
> a little goes a long way.  Anyone heard of or used this before?
> --
>

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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

Wow, sorry to hear that.  How did you get out the broken plugs?
-- 
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 Original Message 
From: John Reames 
Sent: March 22, 2014 7:32:37 PM EDT
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

Uh-huh.

I have three that say otherwise.

As in I had all the tools laid out ahead, ran it for 30 miles and had the 
manifold off the engine in approximately 10 minutes after shutoff.

I used a torque wrench and was worrying them with lots of penetrant.

Three of them broke off at less than 40Nm. One came out like butter (so easy I 
thought it snapped!), one was okay-ish, and number 6 outright fought me, but I 
got it out without an issue.

It had been on a 100mi each way trip in the week beforehand and given several 
Italian tuneups; it was no longer emitting clouds when given one.

Hot may help, but it is NOT the answer.
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On Mar 22, 2014, at 14:36, Max Dillon  wrote:

> The secret to changing glow plugs on the OM606 is to only attempt removal 
> when the engine is HOT!  They come right out, like butter
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Don't know, I'll ask next time I see them.
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 Original Message 
From: Andrew Strasfogel 
Sent: March 22, 2014 7:03:46 PM EDT
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

How is the $50 offset by their gas savings?



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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Not when you add in the impacts and costs to produce and maintain those
solar cells and wind turbines. I have the option to buy wind energy and it
cots more than the coal and natural gas produced electricity. Not a lot,
but still more.

On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> Hey, if the recharging is by solar or wind energy there is zero pollution.
> Rooftop solar + electric car = bliss.
>
> Although I would hate to give up my 300TDs
>
> Andrew
> Feeling no guilt whatsoever because he is a mass of contradictions
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding onto plan B

Yes price is the thing, however I think most big cities will eventually 
tax smog machines and offer incentives to the quiet ones.
My daughter is in London at the moment and the place is pretty filthy, 
overcrowded and overrated, so she's off to Edinburgh (that's in 
Scotland, which is north of England)

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/american-news-networks-screw-up-their-geography-and-call-tony-abbott-prime-minister-john-abbot/story-fnizu68q-1226861047746

Anyway looks like Daimler is plugging in
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/mercedes-benz-b-class-electric-drive-first-drive-2014-02-06
Available in selected locations (the greeny belt?)
http://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/future/model/model-B_Class_Electric_Drive

Hendrik
who once drove in London

On 21/03/14 23:54, Curt Raymond wrote:

If I had a big garage I'd build one. A small pickup truck, load the bed with 
batteries. Could probably do it for $5k including the truck, maybe get a little 
back for a working engine. That or look for a mk1 Jetta but those are hard to 
find not all rusted out.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 09:03:13 -0400
From: Dan Penoff 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
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As I have said previously, I have an ideal commute for an electric car, but as 
many different ways as I could crunch the numbers it just didn't make sense 
from a financial point of view.

I'm all for being green, but if it's going to cost me more and I'm going to 
have to sacrifice things as well, I just don't see the motivation.

When electric or hybrid cars become competitively priced and are economical to 
operate, I'm on board.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Excellent review. Not to mentious its  viciousness.
On Mar 22, 2014 8:11 PM, "Rich Thomas" 
wrote:

> Mobil 1 has some subtle flavor elements with slight overtones of mineral
> astringency.  It's high heat tolerance provides for quick sautéing or stir
> frying without any greasy overtones.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On Mar 22, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
>
> No but how does it compare with Mobil 1? I use peanut oil for stir fry
> because of high flash point.
> > On Mar 22, 2014 7:17 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
> >
> > OK - fair enough.
> >
> > I bough some rice bran oil a Trader Joe's.  It has a very high flash
> point
> > and is great for stir frying. Also, although it costs more than canola
> oil
> > a little goes a long way.  Anyone heard of or used this before?
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Dwight Giles  >> wrote:
> >
> >> Let's go back to oil threads instead.
> >> On Mar 22, 2014 7:07 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Maybe we need a designated "scapegoat of the month", a rotating
> > position,
> >>> so that everyone has to take a load of sh*t from the entire list at
> > some
> >>> point. The rules would require that you can vent only against this one
> >>> individual.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Max Dillon   wrote:
> >>>
>  Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
>  --
>  Max Dillon
>  Charleston, SC
> 
> 
>   Original Message 
>  From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>  Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
>  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Just opened the first Trader Joe's in Tampa this weekend.  They had police 
officers present for crowd control.

Oy.

Dan no two buck Chuck for me, thank you


On Mar 22, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

> OK - fair enough.
> 
> I bough some rice bran oil a Trader Joe's.  It has a very high flash point
> and is great for stir frying. Also, although it costs more than canola oil
> a little goes a long way.  Anyone heard of or used this before?
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
> 
>> Let's go back to oil threads instead.
>> On Mar 22, 2014 7:07 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe we need a designated "scapegoat of the month", a rotating position,
>>> so that everyone has to take a load of sh*t from the entire list at some
>>> point. The rules would require that you can vent only against this one
>>> individual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Max Dillon >>> wrote:
>>> 
 Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston, SC
 
 
  Original Message 
 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
 Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
 
 And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me
>> if I
 missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a
>> problem
 with each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering,
 fighting, or anything at all directed at one another. What does that
>>> mean?
 It means hendrik and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary
>> should
 not talk to or about the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and
 forth. Everyone is sick if it. Take it to banned and have at it if you
>>> want
 but keep the name calling, foul language etc of here, period. If I see
>> it
 again beyond today, I will start putting people on moderation status.
>> If
 that does not work they will be banned. If the problem continues you
>> will
 just shut down the list. This is not just directed at the 3 people
>> above,
 it is directed at everyone. If you think you want to attack somebody,
 accuse them of something, think twice before posting it. It should not
 happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any sort of official parts
 supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do not buy from
>>> him.
 You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many complaints
>> from
 many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but knowing Gary
 that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that said I
>> do
 not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be
 attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only
 natural if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just keeps
>>> it
 going. No attacks in the first place means no problems.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
 wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is
>> ridiculous.
> There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like
>>> this
> seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the
 list
> is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even
>> slightly
> useful.
> 
> How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this
>>> list
>> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap"
>>> that
>> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
>> 
>> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us
>>> are
>> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
>> 
>> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying
>>> parts
>> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It
 amounts to
>> several thousand dollars.
>> 
>> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his
>> (former)
>> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
>> 
>> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to
>> vendors
 who
>> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just
 willing
>> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Mobil 1 has some subtle flavor elements with slight overtones of mineral 
astringency.  It's high heat tolerance provides for quick sautéing or stir 
frying without any greasy overtones.

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Mar 22, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:

No but how does it compare with Mobil 1? I use peanut oil for stir fry
because of high flash point.
> On Mar 22, 2014 7:17 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:
> 
> OK - fair enough.
> 
> I bough some rice bran oil a Trader Joe's.  It has a very high flash point
> and is great for stir frying. Also, although it costs more than canola oil
> a little goes a long way.  Anyone heard of or used this before?
> 
> 
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Dwight Giles > wrote:
> 
>> Let's go back to oil threads instead.
>> On Mar 22, 2014 7:07 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe we need a designated "scapegoat of the month", a rotating
> position,
>>> so that everyone has to take a load of sh*t from the entire list at
> some
>>> point. The rules would require that you can vent only against this one
>>> individual.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Max Dillon >>> wrote:
>>> 
 Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
 --
 Max Dillon
 Charleston, SC
 
 
  Original Message 
 From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
 Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
 To: Mercedes Discussion List 
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah King

Greg wrote:
> Indeed, it is in fact this diversity which (in addition, of course to the
> incredible depth of MB knowledge) that is a big part of the appeal of the
> list.  If someone on the list calls me an idiot I don't much care.  I know
> I'm smarter and better educated than the average bear.

Great!!
I like the way you say it.
I like the reference to diversity that you call out.
Thanks.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

No but how does it compare with Mobil 1? I use peanut oil for stir fry
because of high flash point.
On Mar 22, 2014 7:17 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> OK - fair enough.
>
> I bough some rice bran oil a Trader Joe's.  It has a very high flash point
> and is great for stir frying. Also, although it costs more than canola oil
> a little goes a long way.  Anyone heard of or used this before?
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Dwight Giles  >wrote:
>
> > Let's go back to oil threads instead.
> > On Mar 22, 2014 7:07 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe we need a designated "scapegoat of the month", a rotating
> position,
> > > so that everyone has to take a load of sh*t from the entire list at
> some
> > > point. The rules would require that you can vent only against this one
> > > individual.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Max Dillon  > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
> > > > --
> > > > Max Dillon
> > > > Charleston, SC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  Original Message 
> > > > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> > > > Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
> > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
> > > >
> > > > And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me
> > if I
> > > > missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a
> > problem
> > > > with each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering,
> > > > fighting, or anything at all directed at one another. What does that
> > > mean?
> > > > It means hendrik and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary
> > should
> > > > not talk to or about the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and
> > > > forth. Everyone is sick if it. Take it to banned and have at it if
> you
> > > want
> > > > but keep the name calling, foul language etc of here, period. If I
> see
> > it
> > > > again beyond today, I will start putting people on moderation status.
> > If
> > > > that does not work they will be banned. If the problem continues you
> > will
> > > > just shut down the list. This is not just directed at the 3 people
> > above,
> > > > it is directed at everyone. If you think you want to attack somebody,
> > > > accuse them of something, think twice before posting it. It should
> not
> > > > happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any sort of official
> parts
> > > > supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do not buy
> from
> > > him.
> > > > You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many complaints
> > from
> > > > many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but knowing
> Gary
> > > > that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that said
> I
> > do
> > > > not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be
> > > > attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only
> > > > natural if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just
> keeps
> > > it
> > > > going. No attacks in the first place means no problems.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is
> > ridiculous.
> > > > > There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like
> > > this
> > > > > seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of
> the
> > > > list
> > > > > is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even
> > slightly
> > > > > useful.
> > > > >
> > > > > How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
> > > > >
> > > > > Jaime
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on
> this
> > > list
> > > > >> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap"
> > > that
> > > > >> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of
> us
> > > are
> > > > >> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying
> > > parts
> > > > >> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It
> > > > amounts to
> > > > >> several thousand dollars.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his
> > (former)
> > > > >> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to
> > vendors
> > > > who
> > > > >> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just
> > > > willing
> > > > >> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ___
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Re: [MBZ] Gary Hurst

OK Don wrote:
> Where's Snook when we need him???

Randy is a lawyer in Alberta - correct?
mao

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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

2014-03-22 Thread John Reames

Uh-huh.

I have three that say otherwise.

As in I had all the tools laid out ahead, ran it for 30 miles and had the 
manifold off the engine in approximately 10 minutes after shutoff.

I used a torque wrench and was worrying them with lots of penetrant.

Three of them broke off at less than 40Nm. One came out like butter (so easy I 
thought it snapped!), one was okay-ish, and number 6 outright fought me, but I 
got it out without an issue.

It had been on a 100mi each way trip in the week beforehand and given several 
Italian tuneups; it was no longer emitting clouds when given one.

Hot may help, but it is NOT the answer.
--
John W Reames
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Home: +14106646986
Mobile: +14437915905

On Mar 22, 2014, at 14:36, Max Dillon  wrote:

> The secret to changing glow plugs on the OM606 is to only attempt removal 
> when the engine is HOT!  They come right out, like butter
> -- 
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> Charleston, SC
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

OK - fair enough.

I bough some rice bran oil a Trader Joe's.  It has a very high flash point
and is great for stir frying. Also, although it costs more than canola oil
a little goes a long way.  Anyone heard of or used this before?


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

> Let's go back to oil threads instead.
> On Mar 22, 2014 7:07 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel" 
> wrote:
>
> > Maybe we need a designated "scapegoat of the month", a rotating position,
> > so that everyone has to take a load of sh*t from the entire list at some
> > point. The rules would require that you can vent only against this one
> > individual.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Max Dillon  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
> > > --
> > > Max Dillon
> > > Charleston, SC
> > >
> > >
> > >  Original Message 
> > > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> > > Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
> > >
> > > And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me
> if I
> > > missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a
> problem
> > > with each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering,
> > > fighting, or anything at all directed at one another. What does that
> > mean?
> > > It means hendrik and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary
> should
> > > not talk to or about the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and
> > > forth. Everyone is sick if it. Take it to banned and have at it if you
> > want
> > > but keep the name calling, foul language etc of here, period. If I see
> it
> > > again beyond today, I will start putting people on moderation status.
> If
> > > that does not work they will be banned. If the problem continues you
> will
> > > just shut down the list. This is not just directed at the 3 people
> above,
> > > it is directed at everyone. If you think you want to attack somebody,
> > > accuse them of something, think twice before posting it. It should not
> > > happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any sort of official parts
> > > supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do not buy from
> > him.
> > > You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many complaints
> from
> > > many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but knowing Gary
> > > that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that said I
> do
> > > not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be
> > > attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only
> > > natural if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just keeps
> > it
> > > going. No attacks in the first place means no problems.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is
> ridiculous.
> > > > There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like
> > this
> > > > seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the
> > > list
> > > > is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even
> slightly
> > > > useful.
> > > >
> > > > How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
> > > >
> > > > Jaime
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this
> > list
> > > >> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap"
> > that
> > > >> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
> > > >>
> > > >> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us
> > are
> > > >> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
> > > >>
> > > >> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying
> > parts
> > > >> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It
> > > amounts to
> > > >> several thousand dollars.
> > > >>
> > > >> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his
> (former)
> > > >> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
> > > >>
> > > >> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to
> vendors
> > > who
> > > >> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just
> > > willing
> > > >> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
> > > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Let's go back to oil threads instead.
On Mar 22, 2014 7:07 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel"  wrote:

> Maybe we need a designated "scapegoat of the month", a rotating position,
> so that everyone has to take a load of sh*t from the entire list at some
> point. The rules would require that you can vent only against this one
> individual.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Max Dillon  >wrote:
>
> > Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
> > --
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston, SC
> >
> >
> >  Original Message 
> > From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> > Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
> >
> > And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me if I
> > missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a problem
> > with each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering,
> > fighting, or anything at all directed at one another. What does that
> mean?
> > It means hendrik and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary should
> > not talk to or about the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and
> > forth. Everyone is sick if it. Take it to banned and have at it if you
> want
> > but keep the name calling, foul language etc of here, period. If I see it
> > again beyond today, I will start putting people on moderation status. If
> > that does not work they will be banned. If the problem continues you will
> > just shut down the list. This is not just directed at the 3 people above,
> > it is directed at everyone. If you think you want to attack somebody,
> > accuse them of something, think twice before posting it. It should not
> > happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any sort of official parts
> > supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do not buy from
> him.
> > You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many complaints from
> > many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but knowing Gary
> > that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that said I do
> > not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be
> > attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only
> > natural if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just keeps
> it
> > going. No attacks in the first place means no problems.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
> > > There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like
> this
> > > seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the
> > list
> > > is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
> > > useful.
> > >
> > > How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
> > >
> > > Jaime
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this
> list
> > >> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap"
> that
> > >> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
> > >>
> > >> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us
> are
> > >> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
> > >>
> > >> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying
> parts
> > >> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It
> > amounts to
> > >> several thousand dollars.
> > >>
> > >> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
> > >> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
> > >>
> > >> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors
> > who
> > >> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just
> > willing
> > >> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Maybe we need a designated "scapegoat of the month", a rotating position,
so that everyone has to take a load of sh*t from the entire list at some
point. The rules would require that you can vent only against this one
individual.


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
> Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving
>
> And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me if I
> missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a problem
> with each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering,
> fighting, or anything at all directed at one another. What does that mean?
> It means hendrik and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary should
> not talk to or about the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and
> forth. Everyone is sick if it. Take it to banned and have at it if you want
> but keep the name calling, foul language etc of here, period. If I see it
> again beyond today, I will start putting people on moderation status. If
> that does not work they will be banned. If the problem continues you will
> just shut down the list. This is not just directed at the 3 people above,
> it is directed at everyone. If you think you want to attack somebody,
> accuse them of something, think twice before posting it. It should not
> happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any sort of official parts
> supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do not buy from him.
> You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many complaints from
> many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but knowing Gary
> that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that said I do
> not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be
> attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only
> natural if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just keeps it
> going. No attacks in the first place means no problems.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski 
> wrote:
> >
> > Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
> > There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
> > seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the
> list
> > is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
> > useful.
> >
> > How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
> >
> > Jaime
> >
> >
> >> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
> >> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
> >> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
> >>
> >> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
> >> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
> >>
> >> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
> >> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It
> amounts to
> >> several thousand dollars.
> >>
> >> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
> >> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
> >>
> >> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors
> who
> >> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just
> willing
> >> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
> >>
> >> ___
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

How is the $50 offset by their gas savings?


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Max Dillon wrote:

> Person I know just bought a new 2012 Volt (apparently one of a hundred or
> so left over that have still not sold) for about $26k (original sticker
> price was over $40k) minus the $7500 rebate so less than $19k.  They get
> about 150 miles per gallon, plus their electric bill went up by $50 per
> month.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston, SC
>
>
>  Original Message 
> From: Mitch Haley 
> Sent: March 22, 2014 5:39:56 PM EDT
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on
>
> You say that as if there's something wrong with using $7500 of our tax
> dollars
> to pay for somebody else's new car.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Person I know just bought a new 2012 Volt (apparently one of a hundred or so 
left over that have still not sold) for about $26k (original sticker price was 
over $40k) minus the $7500 rebate so less than $19k.  They get about 150 miles 
per gallon, plus their electric bill went up by $50 per month.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC


 Original Message 
From: Mitch Haley 
Sent: March 22, 2014 5:39:56 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

You say that as if there's something wrong with using $7500 of our tax dollars 
to pay for somebody else's new car.

Mitch.




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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Amen!  I second the motion!  All in favor?
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC

 Original Message 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Sent: March 22, 2014 2:38:54 PM EDT
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me if I 
missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a problem with 
each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering, fighting, or 
anything at all directed at one another. What does that mean? It means hendrik 
and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary should not talk to or about 
the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and forth. Everyone is sick if it. 
Take it to banned and have at it if you want but keep the name calling, foul 
language etc of here, period. If I see it again beyond today, I will start 
putting people on moderation status. If that does not work they will be banned. 
If the problem continues you will just shut down the list. This is not just 
directed at the 3 people above, it is directed at everyone. If you think you 
want to attack somebody, accuse them of something, think twice before posting 
it. It should not happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any sort
  of official parts supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do 
not buy from him. You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many 
complaints from many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but 
knowing Gary that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that 
said I do not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be 
attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only natural 
if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just keeps it going. No 
attacks in the first place means no problems.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
> There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
> seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the list
> is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
> useful.
> 
> How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
>> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
>> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
>> 
>> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
>> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
>> 
>> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
>> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to
>> several thousand dollars.
>> 
>> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
>> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
>> 
>> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who
>> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing
>> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
>> 
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[MBZ] tire over-inflation (was: Re: The Jetta's big drive)

2014-03-22 Thread ernest breakfield

hard to complain about harshness of ride when doing something known 
to negatively impact the ride. all that extra road vibration transmitted 
to the vehicle and occupants can't be good for the vehicle or occupants, 
either.


traction? i'll take a tire inflated closer to spec over one that's 
overinflated on any wet surface, and/or in any emergency avoidance 
maneuver of braking. increasing tire pressure reduces its ability to 
conform to the road surface.
don't believe over-inflating reduces your traction and increases 
your likelihood to skid? a simple test with braking to the skid point on 
a bicycle should demonstrate how much more quickly a tire will lose 
traction when overinflated.


tire life is arguable, as too firm of a tire sidewall can 
reportedly make it less pliable and more likely to break a cord instead 
of flex to absorb an impact.
also, what's the point of wearing out the tread just down the 
middle of the tread surface instead of distributing that wear across the 
entire tread surface? if you're not racing autocross, you're probably 
not using the entire tread surface if overinflated.


fuel economy might increase; but at what cost of comfort, vehicle 
and passenger wear, and (arguably) safety..?



cheers!
e


On 22/Mar/14 10:57, Mitch Haley wrote:

ernest breakfield wrote:
wouldn't running the tires that high exacerbate road harshness, 
increase your likelihood to skid under emergency braking, and 
decrease your traction in turns,...?


Yes, no, no.
Also increases tire life and fuel economy.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

You want entitled?  How about the oil companies with their tax breaks?


On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:02 PM,  wrote:

> DB= Douchebag:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" <
> arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Daimler-Benz?  Probably would since there would be an MB star on the
> hood and a 300D Turbo insignia on the back hatch.  Also, MB hubcaps if they
> could be attached. [:o)
> > Gerry
> >
> >> On 3/22/2014 8:25 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >> And you'd look like a DB Prius driver to boot.
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 8:13 AM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" <
> arche...@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> There was a (2006?) Prius in the Tampa paper for $8000.  It was
> tempting.  Put a new "big battery" in it and you'd have pretty good
> transportation for around $10,000 providing there weren't serious problems
> elsewhere.
> >>> Gerry
> >>>
> >>>
>  Curt wrote:
> > I don't understand the crazy vehemence against electric cars.
> > If I had the money I'd have an electric car right now.
>  I'm with you totally.
>  But... we both drive 3-pedal 240D.  Perhaps there is some genetics.
>  mao
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-22 Thread dseretakis

DB= Douchebag:)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:46 AM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
>  wrote:
> 
> Daimler-Benz?  Probably would since there would be an MB star on the hood and 
> a 300D Turbo insignia on the back hatch.  Also, MB hubcaps if they could be 
> attached. [:o)
> Gerry
> 
>> On 3/22/2014 8:25 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> And you'd look like a DB Prius driver to boot.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 8:13 AM, "arche...@embarqmail.com" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> There was a (2006?) Prius in the Tampa paper for $8000.  It was tempting.  
>>> Put a new "big battery" in it and you'd have pretty good transportation for 
>>> around $10,000 providing there weren't serious problems elsewhere.
>>> Gerry
>>> 
>>> 
 Curt wrote:
> I don't understand the crazy vehemence against electric cars.
> If I had the money I'd have an electric car right now.
 I'm with you totally.
 But... we both drive 3-pedal 240D.  Perhaps there is some genetics.
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-22 Thread dseretakis

That's cuz electric car drivers are an entitled bunch at this time. Once the 
cars become more mainstream that should change.

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> On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
> Our County used to provide free charging and parking for employees until 
> recently.  They just changed the rules to charge $0.25/hour for charging, 
> which seems like a pretty good deal to me, still.
> 
> Can't say I have noticed anyone in the parking spaces, but then again, I 
> haven't looked that closely, either.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
>> 
>> Yes there was an article in the local paper about a teacher who was whining
>> because the school district did not provide charging. Free diesel too?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Beats me.  I'll go by there with a load bank and a Kill-O-Watt meter and see.

Dan


On Mar 22, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:

> Dan Penoff wrote:
>> Our County used to provide free charging and parking for employees until 
>> recently.  They just changed the rules to charge $0.25/hour for charging, 
>> which seems like a pretty good deal to me, still.
> 
> Can you pull at least 2kW out of the $0.25/hr outlet?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah King Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:26 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Chowdah King

2014-03-22 Thread Rick Knoble

I get a lot from the list and listers, which is why I exercise a great dealof tolerance...Yeah. What he said.   Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.   

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on


Dan Penoff wrote:

Our County used to provide free charging and parking for employees until 
recently.  They just changed the rules to charge $0.25/hour for charging, which 
seems like a pretty good deal to me, still.



Can you pull at least 2kW out of the $0.25/hr outlet?

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on


Scott Ritchey wrote:

I don't (in my stupid little way) think it is vehemence against electric
vehicles, per se.  Current electric vehicles just don't make economic sense
for most people; otherwise they would be buying them en masse.  But I think
there is vehemence against those folks (that believe they are smarter and
better than everyone else) who want to coerce the rest of the public to pay
for electric vehicles.


You say that as if there's something wrong with using $7500 of our tax dollars 
to pay for somebody else's new car.


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[MBZ] Chowdah King

2014-03-22 Thread Greg Fiorentino


Wer reitet so spät durch Nacht und Wind?



Es ist der Chowdah King mein Kind;

 

I dont know why this came to mind, but here it is from the dim recesses of
my memory of German Lit.

 

Anyhow it scans well.

 

I get a lot from the list and listers, which is why I exercise a great deal
of tolerance for the extent of the diversity of thought and social niceties.
Indeed, it is in fact this diversity which (in addition, of course to the
incredible depth of MB knowledge) that is a big part of the appeal of the
list.  If someone on the list calls me an idiot I dont much care.  I know
Im smarter and better educated than the average bear.

 

If someone challenges me to a fight I also dont much care.  If one of you
knows more than I do about something, Im not much surprised.  Have at it
and Ill let myself be educated.  The only fighting Id be concerned about
is that which would harm me, family or friends.  Im pretty capable of
defending in those conditions.

 

See above for content about riding in German.

 

Greg



 

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Hey, if the recharging is by solar or wind energy there is zero pollution.
Rooftop solar + electric car = bliss.

Although I would hate to give up my 300TDs

Andrew
Feeling no guilt whatsoever because he is a mass of contradictions
1983 300TD needs rear struts
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On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Our County used to provide free charging and parking for employees until
> recently.  They just changed the rules to charge $0.25/hour for charging,
> which seems like a pretty good deal to me, still.
>
> Can't say I have noticed anyone in the parking spaces, but then again, I
> haven't looked that closely, either.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:
>
> > Yes there was an article in the local paper about a teacher who was
> whining
> > because the school district did not provide charging. Free diesel too?
>
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Our County used to provide free charging and parking for employees until 
recently.  They just changed the rules to charge $0.25/hour for charging, which 
seems like a pretty good deal to me, still.

Can't say I have noticed anyone in the parking spaces, but then again, I 
haven't looked that closely, either.

Dan

On Mar 22, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

> Yes there was an article in the local paper about a teacher who was whining
> because the school district did not provide charging. Free diesel too?

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

Yes there was an article in the local paper about a teacher who was whining
because the school district did not provide charging. Free diesel too?
On Mar 22, 2014 3:13 PM, "Scott Ritchey"  wrote:

>
> I don't (in my stupid little way) think it is vehemence against electric
> vehicles, per se.  Current electric vehicles just don't make economic sense
> for most people; otherwise they would be buying them en masse.  But I think
> there is vehemence against those folks (that believe they are smarter and
> better than everyone else) who want to coerce the rest of the public to pay
> for electric vehicles.
>
> Scott
>
> >
> > > On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't understand the crazy vehemence against electric cars. There is
> > already a system for recycling batteries of all sorts, why should car
> > batteries be any difference? Sure they won't fit in the bin at Best Buy
> > but theres a market for the stuff in them...
> > >
> > > If I had the money I'd have an electric car right now. It'd fit Angie's
> > commute perfectly.
> > >
> > > BTW on my drive to NYC the other day I noticed a rest stop in
> > Connecticut with a Tesla charging station...
> > >
> > > -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

I would agree.  I don't think there's a lot of hate out there, it just doesn't 
make sense to most people to pay a premium for a vehicle that has a major 
operating expense built in down the road.

Along with that I find it very difficult to consider these vehicles 
environmentally friendly or economical when you factor in the cost and effects 
of producing the electricity to charge them.  I firmly believe that if you 
factored true "cradle to grave" costs of these cars right now they would be far 
more expensive to own and operate than a typical gasoline or diesel powered 
vehicle.

I'm all for protecting our environment, but when it gets in my wallet there has 
to be a serious cost benefit to do so.

Dan

On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote:

> 
> I don't (in my stupid little way) think it is vehemence against electric
> vehicles, per se.  Current electric vehicles just don't make economic sense
> for most people; otherwise they would be buying them en masse.  But I think
> there is vehemence against those folks (that believe they are smarter and
> better than everyone else) who want to coerce the rest of the public to pay
> for electric vehicles.
> 
> Scott 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on

2014-03-22 Thread Scott Ritchey

I don't (in my stupid little way) think it is vehemence against electric
vehicles, per se.  Current electric vehicles just don't make economic sense
for most people; otherwise they would be buying them en masse.  But I think
there is vehemence against those folks (that believe they are smarter and
better than everyone else) who want to coerce the rest of the public to pay
for electric vehicles.

Scott 

> 
> > On Mar 21, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > I don't understand the crazy vehemence against electric cars. There is
> already a system for recycling batteries of all sorts, why should car
> batteries be any difference? Sure they won't fit in the bin at Best Buy
> but theres a market for the stuff in them...
> >
> > If I had the money I'd have an electric car right now. It'd fit Angie's
> commute perfectly.
> >
> > BTW on my drive to NYC the other day I noticed a rest stop in
> Connecticut with a Tesla charging station...
> >
> > -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

And right you are. I guess I was not clear enough before. Correct me if I 
missed somebody but it seems hendrik, Loren, and hurst all have a problem with 
each other. I do not want to hear any name calling, bickering, fighting, or 
anything at all directed at one another. What does that mean? It means hendrik 
and Loren should not talk to or about Gary, Gary should not talk to or about 
the other 2. I am sick and tired of the back and forth. Everyone is sick if it. 
Take it to banned and have at it if you want but keep the name calling, foul 
language etc of here, period. If I see it again beyond today, I will start 
putting people on moderation status. If that does not work they will be banned. 
If the problem continues you will just shut down the list. This is not just 
directed at the 3 people above, it is directed at everyone. If you think you 
want to attack somebody, accuse them of something, think twice before posting 
it. It should not happen, period. Gary sells parts but is not any sort
  of official parts supplier of this list. If you think he ripped you off, do 
not buy from him. You can let me know off list if you want. If I hear many 
complaints from many people I would not allow Gary to sell parts here, but 
knowing Gary that is highly unlikely he is ripping people off. So, with that 
said I do not want to see anymore of these attacks. People do not need to be 
attacking Gary, Gary does not need to be attacking people. It is only natural 
if you are attacked you should defend yourself. That just keeps it going. No 
attacks in the first place means no problems.

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> On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
> There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
> seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the list
> is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
> useful.
> 
> How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
>> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
>> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
>> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
>> 
>> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
>> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
>> 
>> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
>> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to
>> several thousand dollars.
>> 
>> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
>> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
>> 
>> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who
>> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing
>> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
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Re: [MBZ] 96 E300 Diesel

The secret to changing glow plugs on the OM606 is to only attempt removal when 
the engine is HOT!  They come right out, like butter
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston, SC

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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

Thank you Jaime
On Mar 22, 2014 1:50 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski"  wrote:

> Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
>  There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
> seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the list
> is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
> useful.
>
> How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?
>
> Jaime
>
>
> On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
> > with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
> > fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
> >
> > Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
> > not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
> >
> > I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
> > from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts
> to
> > several thousand dollars.
> >
> > He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
> > customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
> >
> > If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who
> > do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just
> willing
> > to help people find good sources for good parts.)
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Fats driving

2014-03-22 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

Kaleb, it's time to start banning people for this.  This is ridiculous.
 There are a few good people left on this list still, but posts like this
seriously undermine what little community is left.  The future of the list
is at risk... It's already barely technical enough to be even slightly
useful.

How many people have unsubscribe in the last few days?

Jaime


On Friday, March 21, 2014, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Forgot to mention, I am glad and proud to be one of the few on this list
> with the guts to stand up to the condescending "hypocritical crap" that
> fats spews.  Good description Hendrik!
>
> Actually, there are a lot more than 4 of us, just that only 4 of us are
> not afraid of the schoolyard bully.  A spade is a spade.
>
> I am STILL WAITING for my refund of all the dollars I spent buying parts
> from fats, since he claims I never bought any parts from him. It amounts to
> several thousand dollars.
>
> He who expects to sell teile should not bite the hand of his (former)
> customer.  It tends to drive away current and future customers.
>
> If anyone is in need of parts, I will be glad to point you to vendors who
> do not bite the customer.  (no interest, no commissions, etc. just willing
> to help people find good sources for good parts.)
>
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Re: [MBZ] People are generally holding on