Re: [MBZ] VW

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

I believe the Mk5s are all fine, it's just the latest model that's  
under interdiction.  Maybe up to 2012?


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Boy I would sure love to hear some Wilton stories about restoring mansions. I 
have always wanted to do that. In fact many years ago we had the chance to buy 
an old mansion like house that belonged to a local dr. Was an early 1900s was 
not Victorian, but it slips the mind what style they called it. Colonial maybe. 
We could have picked it up for something like 60k, had the loan all lined out 
etc but for whatever reason we didn't do it. It's main issues were pluming to 
the upstairs bathroom. 
Several years before that there was and old Victorian that was for sale for a 
long time that belonged to a school teacher that died. At the time is was 
pretty much original, had all original hardwood floors all thru the house, 
original interior walls, bathrooms and such. I think it got down to like $85k 
and was finally sold. This was in the late 90s when I knew nothing about buying 
real estate. Whoever bought it completely gutted the interior. I mean 
completely gutted, all interior walls torn out, everything. It went back on the 
market I think they got foreclosed on or something. I went and saw it then. A 
few years later it was back on the market after somebody had completely redone 
it. We went and looked at it and it was priced in mid to upper 200s but the 
floor plan inside was completely different, it was just like walking into a 
brand new cookie cutter house. They totally ruined the charm of the house, it 
was very very sad. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 10:53 PM, WILTON via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> While I was restoring the two 1875 mansions 30 years ago, I found that 
> everybody who "came along" wanting a job swore that he was the best painter 
> anywhere.  Almost all of 'em were FOS, to put it bluntly.
> 
> Wilton
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
> 
> To: "'Mitch Haley'" ; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> 
> Cc: "Scott Ritchey" 
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
> 
> 
>> We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter 
>> told me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had a 
>> drivers’ license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the heap.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch 
>> Haley via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Mitch Haley 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
>> guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, 
>> your painter can't.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes >  > wrote:
>> 
>> Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand
>> what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
>> realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

While I was restoring the two 1875 mansions 30 years ago, I found that 
everybody who "came along" wanting a job swore that he was the best painter 
anywhere.  Almost all of 'em were FOS, to put it bluntly.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 
To: "'Mitch Haley'" ; "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 


Cc: "Scott Ritchey" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter 
told me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had 
a drivers’ license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the 
heap.




From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch 
Haley via Mercedes

Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers





Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. 
Some guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of 
expertise, your painter can't.




Mitch.





On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes  > wrote:


Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
understand

what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.

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Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Thank you, Col.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> WILTON via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 11:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: WILTON 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation
> 
> Yes, Tim Mize is still at D & E.  (919) 872-7771, 2701 Discovery Dr.,
Raleigh
> 
> Wilton
> 



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I did the same with a portable DW in a rental house 35 years ago.  Gave the 
cutting board to to a daughter, who used it for many years.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


I bought a portable in 1980 and installed it as a built-in.  We still use 
that butcher block maple top on another cabinet that has been moved house 
to house.


Someplace I still have  the casters in a box.

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in early 
to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the kitchen sink 
faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old school with the big 
chrome push buttons and such.  It still works great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use 
SUN

brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, 
a

full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


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Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yes, Tim Mize is still at D & E.  (919) 872-7771, 2701 Discovery Dr., 
Raleigh


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Ritchey via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Scott Ritchey" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:26 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation


About 10 years ago, I solicited (and received) recommendations for a 
Raleigh

area Indy to do work on my '82 300SD.



That was just before I moved here in late 2005.  After the move, 
remodeling

the 1854 farm house took longer than planned and cost more (what a
surprise!) and I went back to work (part-time) until 2012.  In 2008, I
bought a new Outback (after the 300TD got hard stuck in a mole tunnel 
during

a downpour) so we'd have at least one car less than 20 years old and with
less than 200K miles.  That moved the SD down in the driving rotation. A
locked front brake caliper (which grew into a ball-joint job) sidelined 
the

SD even more.  My only paved work area is too steep for serious DIY work
with all corners jacked so the SD became a hanger queen; I've barely 
driven

that poor car for several years.  My excuses are many but I still own the
car but haven't done needed (I think) preventive/restorative repairs.  I
think new flex disks and center bearing carrier are the first order of
business.  I'd like to replace other suspension rubber (rear subframe
bushings, lower control arm bushings, upper control arms, guide rod 
mounts,
and maybe rear swing arm bushings) when I can.   As far as I know, all 
that

rubber is OE (1981 vintage).



Back on 2005 Wilton endorsed (and Rusty seconded) Tim Mize at D Quality
Service.  There were recommendations for other excellent shops but they 
were

more distant from my farm near Kittrell, NC, so I'd like to follow up on
D



Does anyone know if Tim Mize still works on cars at D and are they still 
a

recommended indy for an old 126?  Are there any new indy recommendations,
particularly north of Raleigh?  My wife no longer drives so getting the 
car

to and from a repair shop is a consideration.  Thanks for whatever I may
learn.



Thanks

Scott Ritchey

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Re: [MBZ] VW

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I think it's 2008. Those from 2009 to the current date are in violation of
the emissions standards. Thus, those from 2009 to now should be bargains,
if you don't mind putting more NOx into the air than the standards since
2009 allow. They probably put out less than any of the old MB Diesels this
group tends to drive though . . .

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:19 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> What year is the "newest" VW diesel that is not under restriction?
> Thanks,
> Gerry
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Got it.  Thanks.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:33 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation
> 
> Sorry, didn’t know it didn't’ work.  Go to this forum on Benz World and use
> the search function to search for “Raleigh”:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/u-s-south/
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > Dan, Thanks but that link gives me "sorry, no matches".  Is there a
> > trick to this?
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:36 PM
> >> To: Mercedes List 
> >> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation
> >>
> >> Here are a couple of threads on BW from 2014 for Raleigh:
> >>
> >> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/search.php?searchid=19809106
> >> 
> >>
> >> D is mentioned in the first one a couple of times.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Does this seem garish to you?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Yeah, that mistake alone makes it a $500 car.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks nice except for the backwards trunk badges. Price is way too high.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Try this:
> >
> > http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5521536790.html <
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5521536790.html>
> >
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> No link...
> >> --
> >> Max Dillon
> >> Charleston SC
> >> '87 300TD
> >> '95 E300
> >>
> >>> On April 3, 2016 4:50:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> It’s about 5 minutes from my office.  I’m interested enough I might go
> >>> look at it.  That interior just looks weird. ed with gray carpet?
> >>>
> >>> Price is crackpipe thinking, however.
> >>>
> >>> Dan
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Best way to test fan clutch

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

How much does a new one cost?  I never replaced a 123 fan clutch since my
first one in  1986..  OTOH, the 108 and 109 sedans and 111 coupe all needed
a new fan clutch.

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> That reminds me, if you can move the blade tip fore / aft more than half
> an inch, the bearing is bad and a new clutch is required.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] 124 visor clip

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I will check but those things are hard to come by there days for some reason.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Does,anyone have a,spare visor clip for a 90 300D 2.5t? I prefer blue but
> could  live with black.
> Thanks
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> 1982 300CD
> 1990 300D
> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] 124 visor clip

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Dwight.
I might have one, not sure of the color, will check and let you know.
Fred

Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.


From: Mercedes  on behalf of Dwight Giles via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 04 April 2016 01:55
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Dwight Giles
Subject: [MBZ] 124 visor clip

Does,anyone have a,spare visor clip for a 90 300D 2.5t? I prefer blue but
could  live with black.
Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
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[MBZ] 124 visor clip

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Does,anyone have a,spare visor clip for a 90 300D 2.5t? I prefer blue but
could  live with black.
Thanks

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Today's Fun

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

ATABOY DAN.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Mar 31, 2016 8:39 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Oldest son texts me today that his car (1998 S420) is running rough and is
> throwing a CEL.  Hmm.  I get home and he starts it up. Sounds OK, but he
> points out that there is some vibration at idle and it seems to be a little
> sluggish.
>
> I pop the DAS computer on it, run a full set of diagnostics, and the first
> thing I see is a P303 error.  Ah-hah!  Bad #3 coil.
>
> Weird brand coil on Amazon is under $30, but won’t get here until Saturday
> since it’s too late to make their next day cutoff.  I dig into Advance
> Auto’s web site and find a store nearby that has one along with a new boot
> (most places sell these things sans boot, or so it seems.)
>
> Between a 30% off coupon and a $5 SpeedPerks coupon I have the whole bill
> is around $70 out the door.
>
> Get home, pop the hood, in under 10 minutes a new coil is installed and he
> claims it’s never felt smoother.  He says he thinks it’s been going out
> over a period of time.
>
> I love those easy fixes.
>
> Coming up this weekend on the W126:
>
> Transmission mount, center vent vacuum actuator and new breather pipe and
> O-ring.
>
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Re: [MBZ] We won!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Congratulations  Curt & Angie. how,cool maybe next winter you can try to
fire off the OM 617 in my CD.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI
On Apr 1, 2016 6:57 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> You might remember the cold start video from February:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VhcR7RmEto
> Angie and I won "most creative video" which comes with a $100 parts credit
> with ID Parts.
> I'm pretty pleased with it and have already begun planning for next year's
> video.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea I use the cascade complete powder. I checked it all during the cycles
> and it was draining. And water was very hot the whole time. So I'm really
> not sure what to think.
>

I think you need to find a 20 year old KitchenAid.  ;)

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea I use the cascade complete powder. I checked it all during the cycles and 
it was draining. And water was very hot the whole time. So I'm really not sure 
what to think.

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:15 PM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb, 
> That picture looks really bad. Are you using powder Cascade? I've tried the 
> liquid versions and didn't get as good results. It almost looks like your 
> rinse is using cold water instead of hot, but your DW should only be getting 
> hot water, correct? Maybe it's not fully draining before it goes to the 
> rinse. I only use the "normal" cycle on my Maytag. I've never found a need 
> for the pots/pans cycle. Again, my whole house filter was a cheap way to 
> filter everything in the house (commode tanks, ice maker, washer, dishwasher, 
> etc.). And I may have soft water where some of you may be fighting with hard 
> water or water with chemicals, etc. 
> Just some thoughts... 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sorry, didn’t know it didn't’ work.  Go to this forum on Benz World and use the 
search function to search for “Raleigh”:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/u-s-south/ 



Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:29 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dan, Thanks but that link gives me "sorry, no matches".  Is there a  trick
> to this?
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:36 PM
>> To: Mercedes List 
>> Cc: Dan Penoff 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation
>> 
>> Here are a couple of threads on BW from 2014 for Raleigh:
>> 
>> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/search.php?searchid=19809106
>> 
>> 
>> D is mentioned in the first one a couple of times.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Dan, Thanks but that link gives me "sorry, no matches".  Is there a  trick
to this?

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:36 PM
> To: Mercedes List 
> Cc: Dan Penoff 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation
> 
> Here are a couple of threads on BW from 2014 for Raleigh:
> 
> http://www.benzworld.org/forums/search.php?searchid=19809106
> 
> 
> D is mentioned in the first one a couple of times.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> > About 10 years ago, I solicited (and received) recommendations for a
> > Raleigh area Indy to do work on my '82 300SD.
> >
> >
> >
> > That was just before I moved here in late 2005.  After the move,
> > remodeling the 1854 farm house took longer than planned and cost more
> > (what a
> > surprise!) and I went back to work (part-time) until 2012.  In 2008, I
> > bought a new Outback (after the 300TD got hard stuck in a mole tunnel
> > during a downpour) so we'd have at least one car less than 20 years
> > old and with less than 200K miles.  That moved the SD down in the
> > driving rotation. A locked front brake caliper (which grew into a
> > ball-joint job) sidelined the SD even more.  My only paved work area
> > is too steep for serious DIY work with all corners jacked so the SD
> > became a hanger queen; I've barely driven that poor car for several
> > years.  My excuses are many but I still own the car but haven't done
> > needed (I think) preventive/restorative repairs.  I think new flex
> > disks and center bearing carrier are the first order of business.  I'd
> > like to replace other suspension rubber (rear subframe bushings, lower
> control arm bushings, upper control arms, guide rod mounts,
> > and maybe rear swing arm bushings) when I can.   As far as I know, all
that
> > rubber is OE (1981 vintage).
> >
> >
> >
> > Back on 2005 Wilton endorsed (and Rusty seconded) Tim Mize at D
> > Quality Service.  There were recommendations for other excellent shops
> > but they were more distant from my farm near Kittrell, NC, so I'd like
> > to follow up on D
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone know if Tim Mize still works on cars at D and are they
> > still a recommended indy for an old 126?  Are there any new indy
> > recommendations, particularly north of Raleigh?  My wife no longer
> > drives so getting the car to and from a repair shop is a
> > consideration.  Thanks for whatever I may learn.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Scott Ritchey
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Well, if they don't get clean in the bottom rack the machine has a problem.
I have no experience with DW innards; it may be trivial or unfixable.  A new
machine is expensive but a fairly expensive fix.  Good luck.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:11 PM
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> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
> 
> Yes it does and I have thought of that but when I open the door while it's
> running the thing is spinning. I have checked all the connections where it
> slides in the back with the rack pushed in and all appears good
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Kaleb, Just a random thought:  does your machine have one of those
> > spinning arms to spray the upper rack?  Is it possible the water feed
> > for that arm isn't sealing with the top rack pushed in?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This Weekend's Fun (long)

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Sounds like fun!



Today I began real work toward installing oak flooring in our living room.

Spent a few hours driving around to hardware stores and a flooring 
store getting little odds and ends and some material.


Packed up daughter's toys, moved couch and tables to side of the 
room with the piano and console-buffet /TV/VCR/DVD player, and then 
pulled up the carpet and pad on the empty side of the room.


Rich has loaned me all the necessary power tools.  SWMBO has decided 
it is time.  Should be done with this room in a by the end of next 
weekend, may move into the dining room next...

--
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300


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Re: [MBZ] VW

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

What year is the "newest" VW diesel that is not under restriction?
Thanks,
Gerry

Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:
> When I took my w210 in for emissions here in AZ, they simply performed an
> opacity test. Why can't VW diesels simply have to pass an old school
> opacity test which is, evidently, sufficient for older diesels?
> > Bob R

> On Apr 2, 2016 10:01 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> > Read a report some days ago that the All Powerful EPA has VW in lockdown
> > over this issue and a lawsuit has been filed against VW in the 20 Billion
> > dollar range. All cars now in country are frozen from being sold and none
> > can be imported until the EPA says they can...
> >
> > That has to sting a bit...
> >
> > I could be wrong on the 20 Billion.. just skimmed the report.. seems the
> > number was higher than that.. but since I have no dog in the fight.. only a
> > quick glance for the highlights.

> > On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 9:28 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The amount of dealer pain is proportional to the proportion of diesels
> > >> typically sold by that dealer. In Phoenix it is like 20%; here in LA
> > more
> > >> like 40%.

> > >> On Mar 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > VW should just pack em up and ship em to the RTW where the greenie
> > weenies
> > > don't go.  Plenty people will buy em in RTW.  Well, plenty people here
> > > would buy em if someone could get the epa under control. That aint gonna
> > > happen as long as the gress of cons keeps funding em.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Kaleb, 
That picture looks really bad. Are you using powder Cascade? I've tried the 
liquid versions and didn't get as good results. It almost looks like your rinse 
is using cold water instead of hot, but your DW should only be getting hot 
water, correct? Maybe it's not fully draining before it goes to the rinse. I 
only use the "normal" cycle on my Maytag. I've never found a need for the 
pots/pans cycle. Again, my whole house filter was a cheap way to filter 
everything in the house (commode tanks, ice maker, washer, dishwasher, etc.). 
And I may have soft water where some of you may be fighting with hard water or 
water with chemicals, etc. 
Just some thoughts... 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes it does and I have thought of that but when I open the door while it's 
running the thing is spinning. I have checked all the connections where it 
slides in the back with the rack pushed in and all appears good

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:06 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Kaleb, Just a random thought:  does your machine have one of those spinning
> arms to spray the upper rack?  Is it possible the water feed for that arm
> isn't sealing with the top rack pushed in?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Kaleb, Just a random thought:  does your machine have one of those spinning
arms to spray the upper rack?  Is it possible the water feed for that arm
isn't sealing with the top rack pushed in?


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I just ran those again on the bottom rack and some of them came clean but 
those 2 did not, just got done scrubbing them by hand and put back on the 
washer to tonight's dinner load. I will probably be installing a Bosch tomorrow.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:54 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Way ugly.  Something ain't right, but what?  The only thing that occurs to
> me is water isn't getting to the top rack.
> 
> Probably not a factor in your case, but recent Consumer Reports says
> pre-rinsing dishes tricks the "dirty" sensor in the newer dishwashers into
> under-washing.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:26 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
>> 
>> Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning
> out. I
>> am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does
>> not clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a
>> loss except to replace it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

We’ve had more problems with painters than any other trade.  One painter told 
me (quite proudly, bragged actually) that he didn’t drink and he had a drivers’ 
license.  I think he reckoned that put him at the top of the heap.

 

From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley 
via Mercedes
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Cc: Mitch Haley 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

 

 

Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, your 
painter can't. 

 

Mitch. 

 

 

On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes  > wrote:

Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand 
what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to 
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Way ugly.  Something ain't right, but what?  The only thing that occurs to
me is water isn't getting to the top rack.

Probably not a factor in your case, but recent Consumer Reports says
pre-rinsing dishes tricks the "dirty" sensor in the newer dishwashers into
under-washing.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 7:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers
> 
> Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning
out. I
> am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does
> not clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a
> loss except to replace it.



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Re: [MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here are a couple of threads on BW from 2014 for Raleigh:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/search.php?searchid=19809106 


D is mentioned in the first one a couple of times.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> About 10 years ago, I solicited (and received) recommendations for a Raleigh
> area Indy to do work on my '82 300SD. 
> 
> 
> 
> That was just before I moved here in late 2005.  After the move, remodeling
> the 1854 farm house took longer than planned and cost more (what a
> surprise!) and I went back to work (part-time) until 2012.  In 2008, I
> bought a new Outback (after the 300TD got hard stuck in a mole tunnel during
> a downpour) so we'd have at least one car less than 20 years old and with
> less than 200K miles.  That moved the SD down in the driving rotation. A
> locked front brake caliper (which grew into a ball-joint job) sidelined the
> SD even more.  My only paved work area is too steep for serious DIY work
> with all corners jacked so the SD became a hanger queen; I've barely driven
> that poor car for several years.  My excuses are many but I still own the
> car but haven't done needed (I think) preventive/restorative repairs.  I
> think new flex disks and center bearing carrier are the first order of
> business.  I'd like to replace other suspension rubber (rear subframe
> bushings, lower control arm bushings, upper control arms, guide rod mounts,
> and maybe rear swing arm bushings) when I can.   As far as I know, all that
> rubber is OE (1981 vintage).
> 
> 
> 
> Back on 2005 Wilton endorsed (and Rusty seconded) Tim Mize at D Quality
> Service.  There were recommendations for other excellent shops but they were
> more distant from my farm near Kittrell, NC, so I'd like to follow up on
> D
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know if Tim Mize still works on cars at D and are they still a
> recommended indy for an old 126?  Are there any new indy recommendations,
> particularly north of Raleigh?  My wife no longer drives so getting the car
> to and from a repair shop is a consideration.  Thanks for whatever I may
> learn.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Scott Ritchey
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Re: [MBZ] This Weekend's Fun (long)

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Today I began real work toward installing oak flooring in our living room. 

Spent a few hours driving around to hardware stores and a flooring store 
getting little odds and ends and some material.

Packed up daughter's toys, moved couch and tables to side of the room with the 
piano and console-buffet /TV/VCR/DVD player, and then pulled up the carpet and 
pad on the empty side of the room.

Rich has loaned me all the necessary power tools.  SWMBO has decided it is 
time.  Should be done with this room in a by the end of next weekend, may move 
into the dining room next...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[MBZ] Raleigh Area MBZ Indy Recommendation

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

About 10 years ago, I solicited (and received) recommendations for a Raleigh
area Indy to do work on my '82 300SD. 

 

That was just before I moved here in late 2005.  After the move, remodeling
the 1854 farm house took longer than planned and cost more (what a
surprise!) and I went back to work (part-time) until 2012.  In 2008, I
bought a new Outback (after the 300TD got hard stuck in a mole tunnel during
a downpour) so we'd have at least one car less than 20 years old and with
less than 200K miles.  That moved the SD down in the driving rotation. A
locked front brake caliper (which grew into a ball-joint job) sidelined the
SD even more.  My only paved work area is too steep for serious DIY work
with all corners jacked so the SD became a hanger queen; I've barely driven
that poor car for several years.  My excuses are many but I still own the
car but haven't done needed (I think) preventive/restorative repairs.  I
think new flex disks and center bearing carrier are the first order of
business.  I'd like to replace other suspension rubber (rear subframe
bushings, lower control arm bushings, upper control arms, guide rod mounts,
and maybe rear swing arm bushings) when I can.   As far as I know, all that
rubber is OE (1981 vintage).

 

Back on 2005 Wilton endorsed (and Rusty seconded) Tim Mize at D Quality
Service.  There were recommendations for other excellent shops but they were
more distant from my farm near Kittrell, NC, so I'd like to follow up on
D

 

Does anyone know if Tim Mize still works on cars at D and are they still a
recommended indy for an old 126?  Are there any new indy recommendations,
particularly north of Raleigh?  My wife no longer drives so getting the car
to and from a repair shop is a consideration.  Thanks for whatever I may
learn.

 

Thanks 

Scott Ritchey

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have done all that, they are clean.  I'm about sick of messing with 
this thing but sure hate to buy a new one after only a year.



On 4/3/2016 6:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

That reminds me of something else we had issues with on the Maytag - the 
nozzles on the spray arms would get clogged with food and I would have to take 
them apart and clean them out.

Dan



On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning out. I 
am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does not 
clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a loss except 
to replace it.



Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That reminds me of something else we had issues with on the Maytag - the 
nozzles on the spray arms would get clogged with food and I would have to take 
them apart and clean them out.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning out. 
> I am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does 
> not clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a loss 
> except to replace it.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep this one has the butcher block top, forgot about that.

On 4/3/2016 6:35 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I bought a portable in 1980 and installed it as a built-in.  We still 
use that butcher block maple top on another cabinet that has been 
moved house to house.


Someplace I still have  the casters in a box.

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in 
early to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the 
kitchen sink faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old 
school with the big chrome push buttons and such.  It still works great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:
Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I 
use SUN

brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden 
broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili 
dried

on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

I bought a portable in 1980 and installed it as a built-in.  We still 
use that butcher block maple top on another cabinet that has been 
moved house to house.


Someplace I still have  the casters in a box.

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in 
early to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the 
kitchen sink faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old 
school with the big chrome push buttons and such.  It still works 
great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-


Yabbut, that was when a Kitchenaid was still a Kitchenaid!  For the 
past 10 years or so, they have been a whirlypool with a sticker. 
Yours is last of a breed.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Naa, the restaurant is Sam n Ella's

That was standard schtick for Steve Locker on WHO radio, before he retired.



And his buddy Sal Monella, who owns a diner

--R

On 4/3/16 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Is he related to Don Atello?



Dan


On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
 wrote:


Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
Michael Angelo . . .



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Alright so I ran the glasses thru again and this is how they are turning out. I 
am running them again this time in the bottom rack. The top rack just does not 
clean anymore and the upper arm does spin and shoot water. I'm at a loss except 
to replace it.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nope.  They say you don’t have to.  For that matter, so did the Maytag….
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> But you don't with the Bosch? I took mine apart again, there did not appear 
>> to be anything else I could clean or take apart. This appears to have a 
>> sealed all in one unit with the pump and copper and you can't appear to take 
>> it apart from above. I ran another empty load with a couple of cups of 
>> vinegar earlier. Now it's run with the glasses that won't come clean and a 
>> few other things. Will see how this turns out before heading down to look at 
>> Bosch
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: [MBZ] This Weekend's Fun (long)

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Nother ATTABOY!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes List" 
Cc: "Dan Penoff" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 6:08 PM
Subject: [MBZ] This Weekend's Fun (long)


Yesterday was one of those days where you expend a lot of energy but don’t 
accomplish a lot…


Pulled the guts out of the center console with the hope of replacing the 
center vent vacuum actuator, as I’m not getting any significant volume of 
air through the center vents.  This car has literally yards and yards of 
sound dampening material throughout the dash. It’s everywhere and covers 
everything, making it a real PITA to get to anything in the dash.


Couldn’t get close to the mounting for the vacuum actuator, so I figured 
it’s possible I’ve got a leak elsewhere.  Decide to go with plan “B” - 
take the lines off the “Gang of Seven” in the console and check each for 
vacuum leaks.  Got about half of them done, couldn’t get to the rest 
because of the ^#*&$%@ insulation that was in the way.  Guess I’ll take 
another swing at this next weekend and pull the side cover off the 
console.  Grrr.


I wanted to check the blower on the “sniffer” tube for the thermistor, so 
I pull the glove compartment liner and the bolster in the passenger side 
footwell. Fan is working, so that’s good.  I also finally figured out how 
the weird metal bracket that holds the block of foam the fan sits in is 
clipped to the brackets under the dash.  Not clear, fan fan was hanging 
when I opened it up originally.  Love it.


Figured that as long as I was in the neighborhood, I could check the fresh 
air actuators in the dash, since they’re just above and behind the glove 
compartment.  No joy, as again I’m foiled by a huge sheet of insulation 
that is draped over the air box.


So let’s have a look at the ACC blower, shall we?

This was relatively simple to get to.  Found a bit of detritus in the 
blower control heatsink, oak seeds and other such outdoor stuff.  Hit the 
fan bushings with some ATF while I was there and left the motor inverted 
for a few minutes so it would go in the right direction.  Buttoned 
everything back up and checked operation, good to go (still no center 
vents, however, which was the original purpose of this undertaking.)


The radio (aftermarket) in this thing was a major hack job, and if I ever 
meet the guy that did it I will kick him in the pants. Hard. Maybe twice 
for good measure.


They cut the bottom out of the radio compartment and the cross member 
below it where the ash tray goes.  They had taken the ash tray out and 
screwed a DIN sized box/compartment of some sort.  They anchored this with 
screws going in the sides, poking into the back of the side of the 
console, of course.


I took this box out, found an ash tray assembly and tried to reconstruct 
everything with a double DIN opening.  Right now everything is in there, 
but the ash tray only serves as a spacer, as if you tried to pull it out 
the whole thing would come out and the radio would drop down into the 
opening.




So I’m thinking that I should at least undo their hack job wiring that 
currently uses the front channel only and goes to the fader.


I’m not sure if this is good or not (I think it is) but I found that the 
original amplifiers for the stock sound system are intact and working. 
Because this is a very unique setup, I put everything back the way I found 
it and left well enough alone.  At least they didn’t hack up the sound 
system or the amps.


Fast forward to today….

Going to get some stuff done on the S420s (94 and 98).

Pull the 94 in the garage to do two things - troubleshoot a CEL error I’m 
getting on the transmission overload switch not closing and check for the 
reason that the ceramic pads I put on the car some months ago are 
screeching like banshees.


The wiring to the transmission overload switch is like iron - hard, 
brittle, and something I don’t want to touch.  The switch checks out OK, 
so I’m assuming the few remaining self destructing wires remaining on the 
car is one of these.  I find the wire goes into a bulkhead boot in the 
driver’s footwell, but I can’t determine what wires are which.  Put this 
one off until I can do some research.


Get the car in the air and disassemble front brakes.  I’m thinking that 
the metal shims on the pads are vibrating between the pad and shim, where 
there’s no grease, so I pull the shims off the pads and apply some MB 
brake grease. I also notice as I’m greasing the edges of the pads that the 
metal of the pad isn’t 90 degrees to the pad, meaning the backing of the 
pad might only be touching the caliper on a very narrow surface area.  I’ll 
watch this closely.


Check the convoluted tubing I used on my rewired throttle body harness, as 
it was the standard plastic stuff and I was concerned about it holding up 
under temperatures.  I had some engine wiring harness stuff I bought after 

Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Yep, I've considered that, too.

Wilt

- Original Message - 
From: "OK Don via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "OK Don" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you 
to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back 
like

Michael Angelo . . .

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 10:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 


wrote:


Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word
I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more.  'Needing some
repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house.
Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to
understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He
doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I 
did
a LOT of this stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic 
Places

mansions here in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years
ago.  If I could get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very
simply - reattach some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster
where the plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, 
fiberglass
tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the repairs 
disappear.


Wilton







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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nope.  They say you don’t have to.  For that matter, so did the Maytag….

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> But you don't with the Bosch? I took mine apart again, there did not appear 
> to be anything else I could clean or take apart. This appears to have a 
> sealed all in one unit with the pump and copper and you can't appear to take 
> it apart from above. I ran another empty load with a couple of cups of 
> vinegar earlier. Now it's run with the glasses that won't come clean and a 
> few other things. Will see how this turns out before heading down to look at 
> Bosch
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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[MBZ] This Weekend's Fun (long)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yesterday was one of those days where you expend a lot of energy but don’t 
accomplish a lot…

Pulled the guts out of the center console with the hope of replacing the center 
vent vacuum actuator, as I’m not getting any significant volume of air through 
the center vents.  This car has literally yards and yards of sound dampening 
material throughout the dash. It’s everywhere and covers everything, making it 
a real PITA to get to anything in the dash.

Couldn’t get close to the mounting for the vacuum actuator, so I figured it’s 
possible I’ve got a leak elsewhere.  Decide to go with plan “B” - take the 
lines off the “Gang of Seven” in the console and check each for vacuum leaks.  
Got about half of them done, couldn’t get to the rest because of the ^#*&$%@ 
insulation that was in the way.  Guess I’ll take another swing at this next 
weekend and pull the side cover off the console.  Grrr.

I wanted to check the blower on the “sniffer” tube for the thermistor, so I 
pull the glove compartment liner and the bolster in the passenger side 
footwell. Fan is working, so that’s good.  I also finally figured out how the 
weird metal bracket that holds the block of foam the fan sits in is clipped to 
the brackets under the dash.  Not clear, fan fan was hanging when I opened it 
up originally.  Love it.

Figured that as long as I was in the neighborhood, I could check the fresh air 
actuators in the dash, since they’re just above and behind the glove 
compartment.  No joy, as again I’m foiled by a huge sheet of insulation that is 
draped over the air box.

So let’s have a look at the ACC blower, shall we?

This was relatively simple to get to.  Found a bit of detritus in the blower 
control heatsink, oak seeds and other such outdoor stuff.  Hit the fan bushings 
with some ATF while I was there and left the motor inverted for a few minutes 
so it would go in the right direction.  Buttoned everything back up and checked 
operation, good to go (still no center vents, however, which was the original 
purpose of this undertaking.)

The radio (aftermarket) in this thing was a major hack job, and if I ever meet 
the guy that did it I will kick him in the pants. Hard. Maybe twice for good 
measure.

They cut the bottom out of the radio compartment and the cross member below it 
where the ash tray goes.  They had taken the ash tray out and screwed a DIN 
sized box/compartment of some sort.  They anchored this with screws going in 
the sides, poking into the back of the side of the console, of course.

I took this box out, found an ash tray assembly and tried to reconstruct 
everything with a double DIN opening.  Right now everything is in there, but 
the ash tray only serves as a spacer, as if you tried to pull it out the whole 
thing would come out and the radio would drop down into the opening.



So I’m thinking that I should at least undo their hack job wiring that 
currently uses the front channel only and goes to the fader.

I’m not sure if this is good or not (I think it is) but I found that the 
original amplifiers for the stock sound system are intact and working.  Because 
this is a very unique setup, I put everything back the way I found it and left 
well enough alone.  At least they didn’t hack up the sound system or the amps.

Fast forward to today….

Going to get some stuff done on the S420s (94 and 98).

Pull the 94 in the garage to do two things - troubleshoot a CEL error I’m 
getting on the transmission overload switch not closing and check for the 
reason that the ceramic pads I put on the car some months ago are screeching 
like banshees.

The wiring to the transmission overload switch is like iron - hard, brittle, 
and something I don’t want to touch.  The switch checks out OK, so I’m assuming 
the few remaining self destructing wires remaining on the car is one of these.  
I find the wire goes into a bulkhead boot in the driver’s footwell, but I can’t 
determine what wires are which.  Put this one off until I can do some research.

Get the car in the air and disassemble front brakes.  I’m thinking that the 
metal shims on the pads are vibrating between the pad and shim, where there’s 
no grease, so I pull the shims off the pads and apply some MB brake grease. I 
also notice as I’m greasing the edges of the pads that the metal of the pad 
isn’t 90 degrees to the pad, meaning the backing of the pad might only be 
touching the caliper on a very narrow surface area.  I’ll watch this closely.

Check the convoluted tubing I used on my rewired throttle body harness, as it 
was the standard plastic stuff and I was concerned about it holding up under 
temperatures.  I had some engine wiring harness stuff I bought after the fact, 
but the plastic stuff is holding up well so I left well enough alone.

Checked fan while car was cold and it spun freely. I’ll check it when the 
youngster comes home from a drive next to see if it’s any different.

Rotate tires and button up.  One down.

Pull the 98 S420 in. Still 

Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

My dad has a KitchenAid that was purchased new by my grandmother in 
early to mid 80's.  It is a roll around one that you hook up to the 
kitchen sink faucet and drains there as well.  It is really old school 
with the big chrome push buttons and such.  It still works great.


On 4/3/2016 5:02 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Welp, I got a KitchenAid KUDJ23, as I say about 20 years old, and I use SUN
brand dishwasher powder from the dollar store.  Today's load included a
large chickenfat-laden broiler, a toaster oven chickenfat-laden broiler, a
full complement of dinner dishes, a chili-laden bowl with the chili dried
on... you get the idea.  I load up the dishwasher, but I seldom run it
until it's full (roughly once a week).

The Kitchen-aid cleaned everything until it was sparkling.

Get one of these, if you can.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

But you don't with the Bosch? I took mine apart again, there did not appear to 
be anything else I could clean or take apart. This appears to have a sealed all 
in one unit with the pump and copper and you can't appear to take it apart from 
above. I ran another empty load with a couple of cups of vinegar earlier. Now 
it's run with the glasses that won't come clean and a few other things. Will 
see how this turns out before heading down to look at Bosch

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:22 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> We did with the Maytag, with the hope that it had some effect on the outcome.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Your rinse them before putting them in the dishwasher? Manual on mine says 
>> and everything I read says just scrape off the large food and put them in 
>> without prerinse.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Does this seem garish to you?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Looks nice except for the backwards trunk badges. Price is way too high. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Try this:
> 
> http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5521536790.html 
> 
> 
> 
> Sorry.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> No link...
>> -- 
>> Max Dillon
>> Charleston SC
>> '87 300TD
>> '95 E300
>> 
>>> On April 3, 2016 4:50:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> It’s about 5 minutes from my office.  I’m interested enough I might go
>>> look at it.  That interior just looks weird. ed with gray carpet?
>>> 
>>> Price is crackpipe thinking, however.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

And his buddy Sal Monella, who owns a diner

--R

On 4/3/16 4:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Is he related to Don Atello?



Dan



On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:

Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
Michael Angelo . . .



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Re: [MBZ] Does this seem garish to you?

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Depends on your proclivities

--R

On 4/3/16 5:02 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Try this:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5521536790.html 



Sorry.

Dan



On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

No link...
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300

On April 3, 2016 4:50:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:

It’s about 5 minutes from my office.  I’m interested enough I might go
look at it.  That interior just looks weird. ed with gray carpet?

Price is crackpipe thinking, however.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We did with the Maytag, with the hope that it had some effect on the outcome.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Your rinse them before putting them in the dishwasher? Manual on mine says 
> and everything I read says just scrape off the large food and put them in 
> without prerinse.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 124 mirror

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I use the wooden handle of a rubber mallet, position the mirror base so one 
side is in place, place the mallet handle on the other side, strike smartly 
with hand, should pop right in.  Not easy at all the first time, you'll get 
better with practice.
-- 
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Your rinse them before putting them in the dishwasher? Manual on mine says and 
everything I read says just scrape off the large food and put them in without 
prerinse.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 3:48 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Dishes get scraped and rinsed.  Water heater is set for 140F.
> 
> Pots and pans are all commercial grade aluminum, they never see the inside of 
> a dishwasher.
> 
> Dan
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are 
>> having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a 
>> septic tank system, so I put all grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food 
>> off pans and plates. I don't have any problems with the door areas. Also, is 
>> your hot water set high enough? Just curious if other factors may be 
>> involved. Again, I cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of 
>> operation and found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever. 
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Does this seem garish to you?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Try this:

http://tampa.craigslist.org/hil/cto/5521536790.html 



Sorry.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> 
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> On April 3, 2016 4:50:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> It’s about 5 minutes from my office.  I’m interested enough I might go
>> look at it.  That interior just looks weird. ed with gray carpet?
>> 
>> Price is crackpipe thinking, however.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 124 mirror

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I had the same problem - couldn't get it back at all. Kaleb showed up and
snapped it back in about 5 seconds. I still don't know how . . .

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What is the best way to get a rearview mirror back in place on a 124? This
> one came off easily but the pins stick out beyond the taper so it does not
> snap back in place.
>
> Use steel or alum bar stock to push the pin in while holding the mirror in
> place?  That leaves me short one hand to do that operation!
>
> Gotta find a 140 mirror.  the old one has a 140 number.  cheep prastic has
> cracked and the guts are falling out.
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Re: [MBZ] Does this seem garish to you?

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No link...
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On April 3, 2016 4:50:35 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>It’s about 5 minutes from my office.  I’m interested enough I might go
>look at it.  That interior just looks weird. ed with gray carpet?
>
>Price is crackpipe thinking, however.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Is he related to Don Atello?



Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:27 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
> the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
> Michael Angelo . . .
> 


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[MBZ] 124 mirror

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

What is the best way to get a rearview mirror back in place on a 124? 
This one came off easily but the pins stick out beyond the taper so 
it does not snap back in place.


Use steel or alum bar stock to push the pin in while holding the 
mirror in place?  That leaves me short one hand to do that operation!


Gotta find a 140 mirror.  the old one has a 140 number.  cheep 
prastic has cracked and the guts are falling out.


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Re: [MBZ] Have W320 cabs really lost their value?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Betting it need hydraulic cylinders done for the top.  Dealer price is more 
than the car is worth.  Price from Klaus of Top Hydraulics is around $600 for a 
full set.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 3:11 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> There has to be something seriously wrong, as that price is retarded low.
> 
> clay
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[MBZ] Does this seem garish to you?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s about 5 minutes from my office.  I’m interested enough I might go look at 
it.  That interior just looks weird. ed with gray carpet?

Price is crackpipe thinking, however.

Dan


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dishes get scraped and rinsed.  Water heater is set for 140F.

Pots and pans are all commercial grade aluminum, they never see the inside of a 
dishwasher.

Dan

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are 
> having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a 
> septic tank system, so I put all grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food 
> off pans and plates. I don't have any problems with the door areas. Also, is 
> your hot water set high enough? Just curious if other factors may be 
> involved. Again, I cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of 
> operation and found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever. 
> Best Wishes, 
> Roger 
> Roger Hale 
> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
> Monroe, Ga. 
> 770-267-0850 
> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Just a couple of suggestions. First, don't know whether you have 
"hard or soft" water. I've only used Cascade powder since my Maytag 
was new. I never use rinse agents, so I've never used that 
capability on the Maytag. Second, when I built my house, I installed 
an inline GE whole house water filter. I change the filter once per 
year (just the wife and I). So maybe my filter helps temper the 
water. I've always found water spotting on glassware to be more a 
function of the detergent and less a problem with the dishwasher.

Just some extra thoughts.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


Right on!  Hard water can make a difference and so does cascade vs 
whatever is cheep at wallyland.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Rent one of those mutli-scissor parallel lift things and let it lift you to
the ceiling instead of climbing a ladder - could even lie on your back like
Michael Angelo . . .

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 10:24 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word
> I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more.  'Needing some
> repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house.
> Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to
> understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He
> doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I did
> a LOT of this stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic Places
> mansions here in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years
> ago.  If I could get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very
> simply - reattach some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster
> where the plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, fiberglass
> tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the repairs disappear.
>
> Wilton
>
>
>>


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

'Zackly; 'wasn't born yesterday, was I?

BTW, I'm considering asking local high school vocational teacher if he can 
recommend a 17-year-old who will listen to and follow my instructions to get 
what I need done and, at same time, learn something useful for himself for 
the rest of his life.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


>Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word 
>I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more. 'Needing some 
>repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house. 
>Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
>understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He 
>doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I 
>did a LOT of this stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic 
>Places mansions here in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 
>years ago.  If I could get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them 
>very simply - reattach some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out 
>plaster where the plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, 
>fiberglass tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the 
>repairs disappear.


Wilton


Very clear and easy to understand to me.THey get a bigger bill if they 
make it more extensive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Just a couple of suggestions. First, don't know whether you have "hard or soft" 
water. I've only used Cascade powder since my Maytag was new. I never use rinse 
agents, so I've never used that capability on the Maytag. Second, when I built 
my house, I installed an inline GE whole house water filter. I change the 
filter once per year (just the wife and I). So maybe my filter helps temper the 
water. I've always found water spotting on glassware to be more a function of 
the detergent and less a problem with the dishwasher. 
Just some extra thoughts. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] Have W320 cabs really lost their value?

[clay via Mercedes]

I like the Cab.  The W129 just does not sing to me.  Seems to be a muddle of a 
R107 and W126 SEC.  The W124 Cab has leg room, size, and features of a fuller 
size car.  Much better than the tiny CLK with no room for much more than 
groceries in the back seats

clay

On Apr 3, 2016, at 5:40 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> There was one like this on BAT a few months ago and it didn’t command much 
> money, either.  It was green, too.
> 
> There weren’t many of these made, and I don’t think they had the appeal of 
> the R129.  Sort of missed the mark on this, I think.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is the second or third car I've seen offered this cheap.
>> 
>> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5520820567.html
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, 
and that's especially noticeable with glassware.


Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it's 
not necessarily the dishwasher's fault. We use a rinse agent with 
the Bosch, which we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag 
didn't give you the ability to adjust the "dose" so it went through 
the stuff like mad.


Don't buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for 
around $600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and 
more (useless) functions on the controls.  There's no clear benefit 
in my mind for buying the more expensive models.


Dan


That has been true with DWs for 40-50 years.  The working parts are 
all the same.  the fluff is fancier in the expensive one.


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Re: [MBZ] Have W320 cabs really lost their value?

[clay via Mercedes]

There has to be something seriously wrong, as that price is retarded low.

clay


On Apr 3, 2016, at 4:08 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

> This is the second or third car I've seen offered this cheap.
> 
> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5520820567.html
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a 
word I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more. 
'Needing some repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places 
around the house. Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and 
painting can't seem to understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 
'bout the repairs.  He doesn't seem to realize that I know what the 
Hell I'm talking about.  I did a LOT of this stuff restoring two 
1875 National Register of Historic Places mansions here in town 30 
years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years ago.  If I could get 
up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very simply - reattach 
some loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster where the 
plaster is too bad for the screws, patch with drywall, fiberglass 
tape and/or sheathing and joint compound and paint - the repairs 
disappear.


Wilton


Very clear and easy to understand to me.THey get a bigger bill if 
they make it more extensive.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of 
you are having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the 
dishwasher? I'm on a septic tank system, so I put all grease/oil in 
the trash. I clear most food off pans and plates. I don't have any 
problems with the door areas. Also, is your hot water set high 
enough? Just curious if other factors may be involved. Again, I 
cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of operation and 
found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


Or maybe you use cascade and the others don't.

Way back when I went to a fridgiare appliance school and they flat 
out told us that if the customer did not use cascade in the DW, they 
WOULD have problems.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers -- Bosch and Benz

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Bosch at New Bern, NC, on down US 70 east of Kinston.  Electrolux, 
Frigidaire, AEG and possibly some others at Kinston.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 

To: 
Cc: "Rich Thomas" 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers -- Bosch and Benz


I vaguely recall that Bosch dishwashers are built in NC somewhere, so 
merkun-built, for whatever that is worth.


MB are expanding the Sprinter factory in the area, on Friday I went to 
pick up my wife's packet for the local bridge run, which she did not do, 
and they had an "expo" at the place with various vendors. MB were there 
trying to recruit workers and had some cheepchinee swag to give away which 
I got for mama.  Boeing, Volvo, and MB all going after local workers, 
which is interesting.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Right, though he claims to know all about it.  This job does not need a 
plasterer nor a dry-waller - just somebody with some common sense and willing 
to listen to me, who can easily tell such a person how to do it and even 
broaden his/her skill set.  I'd bet that I could teach any of "youse guys" to 
do it very well in far less than an hour.

  Wilton
  - Original Message - 
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  To: Mercedes Discussion List 
  Cc: Mitch Haley 
  Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:30 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers





  Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some 
guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, your 
painter can't. 





  Mitch. 








On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes  
wrote:

Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to 
understand 
what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to 
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.



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Re: [MBZ] VW

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

The nitrogen oxide standards apply mostly to California and New York  
before 2010 or so, I think.


Your W210 was not subject to NOX emissions testing.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers -- Bosch and Benz

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I vaguely recall that Bosch dishwashers are built in NC somewhere, so 
merkun-built, for whatever that is worth.


MB are expanding the Sprinter factory in the area, on Friday I went to 
pick up my wife's packet for the local bridge run, which she did not do, 
and they had an "expo" at the place with various vendors. MB were there 
trying to recruit workers and had some cheepchinee swag to give away 
which I got for mama.  Boeing, Volvo, and MB all going after local 
workers, which is interesting.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

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Re: Limitations: Painters aren't plasterers or even drywall finishers. Some guys can use thought and reason to work outside their field of expertise, your painter can't. Mitch. On April 3, 2016 at 11:24 AM WILTON via Mercedes  wrote:Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs. He doesn't seem to realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.
 

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

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On April 3, 2016 at 11:16 AM rogerhga--- via Mercedes  wrote:Curly, I totally agree about the energy rating, especially on refrigerators. My current one required a new compressor, fortunately before going out of warranty. The repair guy said the companies are undersizing the compressor to get better energy ratings, but as such, the compressor wears out sooner because it has to run too much since it's too small. Any of the pros at HVAC-TALK would probably tell you the opposite, oversized compressors cycle themselves to death. It's more the number of power cycles per hour than the running minutes per hour that matters. My parents' Coldspot freezer, still running when retired last month, is one example. It had been running constantly (except for power failures, annual defrostings, and 6 relocations) since my brother broke the temperature knob off of it in 1959. Yes, it was worn, yes, it clattered horribly (not sure if the clatter was internal or from worn out mounts) upon restart after a power failure, but it was made to last and it did, and the fact that it only had a couple of hundred starts in the past 50 years probably added decades to its life. 

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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We do use the rinse stuff in the maytag as well.  It does allow you to 
adjust the amount going in, maybe I have it set too low.  I think I may 
pull the drain line and see if maybe it is plugged up,  and maybe pull 
the thing apart again but as I mentioned it seems with the Bosch with 
just a simple filter system there would not be a need to have to take 
things apart all the time to clean them out.


On 4/3/2016 10:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, and that’s 
especially noticeable with glassware.

Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it’s not 
necessarily the dishwasher’s fault. We use a rinse agent with the Bosch, which 
we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag didn’t give you the ability to 
adjust the “dose” so it went through the stuff like mad.

Don’t buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for around 
$600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and more (useless) 
functions on the controls.  There’s no clear benefit in my mind for buying the 
more expensive models.

Dan



On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo diesel 
powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on the top of the 
line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever leave deposits on your 
glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem I have having now.  I have 
had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at the time Kitchen Aid in the other 
house would do it until you took the thing apart and cleaned it out.  This one 
is now doing it and still doing it even after taking it apart. I am thinking 
with this Maytag perhaps I need to further disassemble it and maybe there is 
even more that needs to be cleaned.  I am starting to think that these hard 
food disposals chop everything up and after a while they start leaving that 
fine chopped up food on the dishes especially in the top rack.  Where as with 
the filter models like Bosch its not chopping up stuff fine which would lead to 
the internal works getting gummed up, it all gets trapped by the filters which 
are easy to clean.  This is my theory anyway.



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

+1

We bought ours from H.H. Gregg, a semi-national appliance store.  $629.00, free 
delivery, free haul away of the old one, a Bosch $35 rebate, and 18 months same 
as cash.  Hell, let them carry the paper.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:33 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Check with an appliance store. Before I finally figured out the issue with 
> our fridge I priced Lowe's, then checked out an appliance shop, he had a 
> better price on a better fridge and a better selection.
> 
> 
> I hate Lowe's and Home Depot. Wet wood and cheap crap staffed with no nothing 
> employees...
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, and that’s 
especially noticeable with glassware.

Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it’s not 
necessarily the dishwasher’s fault. We use a rinse agent with the Bosch, which 
we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag didn’t give you the ability to 
adjust the “dose” so it went through the stuff like mad. 

Don’t buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for around 
$600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and more (useless) 
functions on the controls.  There’s no clear benefit in my mind for buying the 
more expensive models.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
> diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on the top 
> of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever leave 
> deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem I have 
> having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at the time 
> Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the thing apart and 
> cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still doing it even after 
> taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag perhaps I need to further 
> disassemble it and maybe there is even more that needs to be cleaned.  I am 
> starting to think that these hard food disposals chop everything up and after 
> a while they start leaving that fine chopped up food on the dishes especially 
> in the top rack.  Where as with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping 
> up stuff fine which would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it 
> all gets trapped by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory 
> anyway.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The Bosch gets things noticeably cleaner than the Maytag ever did, and that’s 
especially noticeable with glassware.

Do realize that your water could play a part in this, too, so it’s not 
necessarily the dishwasher’s fault. We use a rinse agent with the Bosch, which 
we did with the Maytag as well, but the Maytag didn’t give you the ability to 
adjust the “dose” so it went through the stuff like mad. 

Don’t buy the top of the line Bosch.  I bought a bottom end one for around 
$600.  The only differences I hound were fancier racks and more (useless) 
functions on the controls.  There’s no clear benefit in my mind for buying the 
more expensive models.

Dan


> On Apr 3, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
> diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on the top 
> of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever leave 
> deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem I have 
> having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at the time 
> Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the thing apart and 
> cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still doing it even after 
> taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag perhaps I need to further 
> disassemble it and maybe there is even more that needs to be cleaned.  I am 
> starting to think that these hard food disposals chop everything up and after 
> a while they start leaving that fine chopped up food on the dishes especially 
> in the top rack.  Where as with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping 
> up stuff fine which would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it 
> all gets trapped by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory 
> anyway.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Yup. Had a 4.5 yr old stainless GE dishwasher stop cleaning well in a rental 
unit. Did all the basic troubleshooting stuff myself. It didn't fix problem so 
I just took it out and replaced with a new one. I'm not paying minimum of $200 
plus for a service call when I can buy a new machine for under $500. 

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:52 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Around here, the cost of a service call can easily exceed fifty percent of 
> the cost of a new appliance.  If I can't fix myself, I buy a new appliance.  
> If repair info is difficult or impossible to find, I won't buy that brand.
> 
> We bought a Samsung refrigerator about seven or eight years ago, had the 
> control panel replaced under warranty (which would cost about 1/3 of the 
> purchase cost if paid out of pocket, once you add labor it's time for a new 
> refrigerator in my book).  The filtered water function has died, didn't use 
> that much anyway so that hasn't been addressed, but other than that it has 
> performed extremely well.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On April 3, 2016 12:32:39 AM EDT, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I
>> installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago
>> Maytag did a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free.
>> Last Summer, (16 years old) after reading an article on line, I took
>> mine apart to clean the screens, etc. There was minimal material in the
>> screens to remove. I use Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit
>> isn't the quietest, but it's fast and efficient. I guess the newer
>> Maytags may have problems, but then it seems that most newer appliances
>> do (made in China, trying to get a high energy rating, etc.). 
>> I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have
>> an appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to
>> repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his
>> limitations. 
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

We scrape off the plates in the trash then put them in the washer, which 
is what you are supposed to do.  The deposits we are getting is 
basically a gritty/food substance stuck on the inside of the glasses in 
the top rack.


On 4/3/2016 10:24 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes wrote:

Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are having. Do you 
put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a septic tank system, so I put all 
grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food off pans and plates. I don't have any problems 
with the door areas. Also, is your hot water set high enough? Just curious if other 
factors may be involved. Again, I cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 
years of operation and found no similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever.
Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Check with an appliance store. Before I finally figured out the issue with our 
fridge I priced Lowe's, then checked out an appliance shop, he had a better 
price on a better fridge and a better selection.


I hate Lowe's and Home Depot. Wet wood and cheap crap staffed with no nothing 
employees...


Curt

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From:"Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
Date:Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 11:21 AM
Subject:Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on 
the top of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever 
leave deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem 
I have having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at 
the time Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the 
thing apart and cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still 
doing it even after taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag 
perhaps I need to further disassemble it and maybe there is even more 
that needs to be cleaned.  I am starting to think that these hard food 
disposals chop everything up and after a while they start leaving that 
fine chopped up food on the dishes especially in the top rack.  Where as 
with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping up stuff fine which 
would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it all gets trapped 
by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory anyway.

On 4/3/2016 9:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Not so far, but we’ve only had it about a month.
>
> The Maytag was flat out nasty in this regard.  If I didn’t clean it about 
> every two weeks, it would get really foul smelling and disgusting from the 
> buildup of this goop.
>
> Dan
>
>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which 
>> are whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge 
>> area that is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the 
>> slide is caked up with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

I think they're made near here at Kinston, NC.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: "Curly McLain" <126die...@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


Maytag is no longer Maytag.  Nothing is left at Newton, IA but empty 
buildings.  Someone is rebuilding wind turbines in one part of it. 
Maytag is a fridgidaire with a different sticker.


40 yrs ago I worked on a 20 yr old Kitchenaid DW.  It was well built 
compared to the major brands of the time.  I was impressed.  In 1980, 
I built a house and put in a kitchenaid.  It is still in the house.


Kitchenaid is no longer kitchenaid.  It is fridgidaire with a 
different sticker.


between the goobermnt interference and the quest for energy ratings, 
pretty much all appliances are junk.


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Just a curious question in regards to the build up problem some of you are 
having. Do you put greasy/oily pots or pans in the dishwasher? I'm on a septic 
tank system, so I put all grease/oil in the trash. I clear most food off pans 
and plates. I don't have any problems with the door areas. Also, is your hot 
water set high enough? Just curious if other factors may be involved. Again, I 
cleaned my "old" Maytag last year after 16 years of operation and found no 
similar problems. Maybe I'm lucky or whatever. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Re. limitations:  It's most upsetting to me that I can't (there's a word 
I've never used 'until recently) climb ladders any more.  'Needing some 
repairs to plaster ceilings in at least 3 or 4 places around the house. 
Painter I talked to for bid on repairs and painting can't seem to understand 
what I've been trying to tell ''im 'bout the repairs.  He doesn't seem to 
realize that I know what the Hell I'm talking about.  I did a LOT of this 
stuff restoring two 1875 National Register of Historic Places mansions here 
in town 30 years ago, plus a bunch to this house 25 years ago.  If I could 
get up there to the ceiling, I could repair them very simply - reattach some 
loose plaster with drywall screws, dig out plaster where the plaster is too 
bad for the screws, patch with drywall, fiberglass tape and/or sheathing and 
joint compound and paint - the repairs disappear.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "rogerhga--- via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers


I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I 
installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago Maytag 
did a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free. Last Summer, 
(16 years old) after reading an article on line, I took mine apart to 
clean the screens, etc. There was minimal material in the screens to 
remove. I use Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit isn't the 
quietest, but it's fast and efficient. I guess the newer Maytags may have 
problems, but then it seems that most newer appliances do (made in China, 
trying to get a high energy rating, etc.).
I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have an 
appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to 
repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his 
limitations.

Best Wishes,
Roger
Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

One last question regarding dishwasher before I load up in my 6.5 turbo 
diesel powered Suburban (required diesel content) and drop a grand on 
the top of the line Bosch that Lowes has.  Have you had your Bosch ever 
leave deposits on your glasses in the top rack. This is the main problem 
I have having now.  I have had cheap dishwashers do it.  My expensive at 
the time Kitchen Aid in the other house would do it until you took the 
thing apart and cleaned it out.  This one is now doing it and still 
doing it even after taking it apart. I am thinking with this Maytag 
perhaps I need to further disassemble it and maybe there is even more 
that needs to be cleaned.  I am starting to think that these hard food 
disposals chop everything up and after a while they start leaving that 
fine chopped up food on the dishes especially in the top rack.  Where as 
with the filter models like Bosch its not chopping up stuff fine which 
would lead to the internal works getting gummed up, it all gets trapped 
by the filters which are easy to clean.  This is my theory anyway.


On 4/3/2016 9:21 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Not so far, but we’ve only had it about a month.

The Maytag was flat out nasty in this regard.  If I didn’t clean it about every 
two weeks, it would get really foul smelling and disgusting from the buildup of 
this goop.

Dan


On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which are 
whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge area that 
is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the slide is caked up 
with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch?

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Curly, 
I totally agree about the energy rating, especially on refrigerators. My 
current one required a new compressor, fortunately before going out of 
warranty. The repair guy said the companies are undersizing the compressor to 
get better energy ratings, but as such, the compressor wears out sooner because 
it has to run too much since it's too small. 
Best Wishes, 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
www.dinnerwareclassics.com 


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Re: [MBZ] VW

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On April 3, 2016 at 11:10 AM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  wrote:When I took my w210 in for emissions here in AZ, they simply performed anopacity test. Why can't VW diesels simply have to pass an old schoolopacity test which is, evidently, sufficient for older diesels?Apparently because your W210 met the current standards the day it was made...Mitch. 
 

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[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

When I took my w210 in for emissions here in AZ, they simply performed an
opacity test. Why can't VW diesels simply have to pass an old school
opacity test which is, evidently, sufficient for older diesels?

Bob R
On Apr 2, 2016 10:01 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Read a report some days ago that the All Powerful EPA has VW in lockdown
> over this issue and a lawsuit has been filed against VW in the 20 Billion
> dollar range. All cars now in country are frozen from being sold and none
> can be imported until the EPA says they can...
>
> That has to sting a bit...
>
> I could be wrong on the 20 Billion.. just skimmed the report.. seems the
> number was higher than that.. but since I have no dog in the fight.. only a
> quick glance for the highlights.
>
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>
> > The amount of dealer pain is proportional to the proportion of diesels
> >> typically sold by that dealer. In Phoenix it is like 20%; here in LA
> more
> >> like 40%.
> >> On Mar 30, 2016 11:37 AM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >
> > VW should just pack em up and ship em to the RTW where the greenie
> weenies
> > don't go.  Plenty people will buy em in RTW.  Well, plenty people here
> > would buy em if someone could get the epa under control. That aint gonna
> > happen as long as the gress of cons keeps funding em.
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Re: [MBZ] Have W320 cabs really lost their value?

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

My indy told me Mercedes stopped making model specific parts for them.

Bob R
On Apr 3, 2016 6:38 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yea I have seen several in that price range also. Maybe it's time I bought
> one.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is the second or third car I've seen offered this cheap.
> >
> > http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5520820567.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

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Wilt

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We have a Whirlpool "Quiet Partner I", which was about $200 a few years 
ago.  Quieter than the 1994 Maytag it replaced, but not terribly quiet. 
Plastic tub.  No filters, not many options, just gets the job done.


I don't remember which brands make repair info available to home owners, 
but I think that is important.  I think it is very hard to find repair 
info for Maytag appliances.


Kitchen appliances are very simple compared to our beloved cars.  There's 
no good reason we shouldn't also fix our own appliances (if we want to).

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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] Best way to test fan clutch

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

That reminds me, if you can move the blade tip fore / aft more than half an 
inch, the bearing is bad and a new clutch is required.
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

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I think Bosch gets the top rating.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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On Apr 2, 2016 7:35 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> So when we moved into this house I put in all new appliances which are all
> matching Maytag from the same series.  This dishwasher is/was the top of
> the line Maytag (at the time, not sure if it still is or not).  It has a
> hard food disposal which should get rid of pretty much everything but it
> has a series of different sorts of screens under the spray arm and down
> into the sump.  I pretty much have to make sure there is not a single
> kernel of corn or green bean on a plate before putting it in the dishwasher
> because when its done such items will be down in the bottom of the washer,
> not even sucked down to where they would be chopped up by the disposal.  If
> you take all this off there is another sort of screen assembly deal that
> catches all sorts of crap.  Long story short I do not see how food
> particles would even make it past all this to be chopped up by the
> chopper.  I pretty much have to pull everything apart about once every
> month or 2 and clean all the food particles out.  Lately the top rack is
> not getting clean at all even though I know the top spray arm is spinning
> etc, its just leaving deposits all over everything.  I pulled everything
> apart again and cleaned it even though I just did it a couple of weeks ago
> and it still does the same thing. I will research further but WOW it sure
> does not seem like you should have to take the dishwasher apart monthly to
> clean it out.  I am starting to seriously consider just buying another one,
> this time maybe a Bosch or something.  I have always looked for washers
> with the disposals and I understand the european models such as Bosch only
> have a filter that you have to clean out.  Since these are designed to be
> cleaned out it seems easier than having to take the dish washer apart
> anyway.  I know several of you swear by Bosch so what is your feedback, or
> anybody elses?  How do these filters compare to the hard food disposals?
> Any thoughts or ideas on my Maytag?  This is the one we have now that is
> about a year and a half old.
>
>
> http://www.lowes.com/pd_595159-46-MDB8969SDM_1z10e4fZ1z10e4lZ1z11pl1Z1z140bc__?productId=50210123=p_product_avg_rating|1=1
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

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Not so far, but we’ve only had it about a month.

The Maytag was flat out nasty in this regard.  If I didn’t clean it about every 
two weeks, it would get really foul smelling and disgusting from the buildup of 
this goop.

Dan

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which 
> are whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge area 
> that is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the slide is 
> caked up with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch? 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Who needs this 300mki rodbender?

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5513838228.html


Too bad it is a short body.

Still, I'd give 'im $500 for it.  Maybe $750

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Re: [MBZ] Who needs this 300mki rodbender?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I do, wish there were some interior photos.

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Re: [MBZ] Best way to test fan clutch

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

you drill a hole for a #10 sheet metal screw (or a self tapping 
machine screw) in the unfinned center part, away from the bimetal 
spring.  Pharmacy gave me a 10 cc syringe without a needle.  Seems to 
me the dose was 16 cc.  Shoot that in.  Wipe clean.  I put locktite 
on the screw head and put it on.  3/8" max length for the screw.  You 
can use a 3/4", but check rotation first before you install the fan. 
You can cut off the screw after you make the threads with it.  A #12 
or 14 screw can be used if you can find one.  Nothing smaller than 
#10.


I had to remove the bimetal spring and the operating pin to allow air 
to vent.  Otherwise I could not get the oil in fast enough.


Wire brush or pressure wash the fan out of the car first to remove 
the dirt and old grease.  Do the fill out of the car.



Yes, the coasting test  is another way to check.  The dead fan clutch 
on my first SDL coasted for a long time after you shut down the 
engine.  It was winter, so I did not change it right away.  The fan 
came off and ruined the radiator.  Lesson learned



I have a container of the 1 C fluid.

How many days did it take to fill it?

Dan

 On Apr 3, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:


 The test I saw was to roll up a newspaper and stick that into the 
back of the fan while the engine is idling.  if the fan stops, you 
need a new clutch or you need to put the new oil in the clutch.


 Mine failed.  After putting in the specified amount of 1 
centistoke silicone oil, they passed.


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[MBZ] Who needs this 300mki rodbender?

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http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/5513838228.html
 

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Re: [MBZ] Have W320 cabs really lost their value?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea I have seen several in that price range also. Maybe it's time I bought one.

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> On Apr 3, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
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> This is the second or third car I've seen offered this cheap.
> 
> http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5520820567.html
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Re: [MBZ] OT dishwashers

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have a kitchen aid in the other house and this maytag here, all of which are 
whirlpool I believe. They both get that buildup under the door/hinge area that 
is annoying. I removed the top rack yesterday and noticed the slide is caked up 
with residue. Do you have this happen with the Bosch? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 3, 2016, at 6:03 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Our Maytag was new in 2010, installed when the former owner replaced all of 
> the kitchen appliances.
> 
> It didn't clean well and had an issue with the buildup of gunk at the door 
> hinge area. We had Maytag check it out on at least two occasions, both of 
> which we were told we weren't removing enough food from the dishes before 
> loading (not true) and we were using the wrong detergent (we changed to their 
> recommended brand when we were told this on the first service call.)
> 
> Cleaning the filter screen was a PITA, and the machine was LOUD.
> 
> When the front panel controls started acting up I didn't even look at it. I 
> yanked it and replaced it with a Bosch.
> 
> I would add that we bought a Maytag range/convection oven that's been hinky 
> for a long time. The bottom oven won't go to the indicated temperature if you 
> change the temperature after initially setting it. Two service calls, can't 
> find the problem, throw hands up and say "Sorry!"
> 
> We just stopped using the lower oven for the most part.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Apr 3, 2016, at 12:32 AM, rogerhga--- via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm always amazed that you guys are always complaining about Maytag. I 
>> installed mine when I built my house in 1999. About 7-8 years ago Maytag did 
>> a recall on the door wiring and replaced it all for free. Last Summer, (16 
>> years old) after reading an article on line, I took mine apart to clean the 
>> screens, etc. There was minimal material in the screens to remove. I use 
>> Cascade powder for cleaning. Now, this unit isn't the quietest, but it's 
>> fast and efficient. I guess the newer Maytags may have problems, but then it 
>> seems that most newer appliances do (made in China, trying to get a high 
>> energy rating, etc.). 
>> I know it goes against all the list "macho teachings", but if you have an 
>> appliance problem, maybe you should call an appliance repairman to 
>> repair/resolve it. There is that old expression about a man knowing his 
>> limitations. 
>> Best Wishes, 
>> Roger 
>> Roger Hale 
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
>> Monroe, Ga. 
>> 770-267-0850 
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com 
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Re: [MBZ] Have W124 E320 cabs really lost their value?

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In another 30 years, will they be somewhat expensive?Ten years ago, the nice ones were all wearing double digit price tags, but they were only ten year old cars then. Mitch.On April 3, 2016 at 8:40 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  wrote:There was one like this on BAT a few months ago and it didn’t command much money, either. It was green, too.There weren’t many of these made, and I don’t think they had the appeal of the R129. Sort of missed the mark on this, I think.DanOn Apr 3, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes  wrote:This is the second or third car I've seen offered this cheap.http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/5520820567.html-- Jaime Kopchinskihttp://www.jaimekop.com/___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com

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