Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 26 Jul 2019 04:46:19 + Rick Knoble via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  
> >I missed the video. Please send it again.
> 
> 
>  Okay. 
> 
> 
> https://youtu.be/kxkTi0NWOII
> 
> 
> https://youtu.be/hFWRevWwJtw


Thank you!


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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 
>I missed the video. Please send it again.


 Okay. 


https://youtu.be/kxkTi0NWOII


https://youtu.be/hFWRevWwJtw

 Rick

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:33:38 -0500 fmiser via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don't know enough about the system, but it sounds like there are
> two pieces and the fried controller is connected to the distant
> part?
> 
> This gets into "network system TVS" 
> 
> L-Com may make something suitable.
> http://www.l-com.com/surge-protector-ac-dc-control-line-protectors

You amaze me Philip.

Remind me again of your background, how all this fits in with driving
trucks, et al.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> > > Buggered wrote:
> > > 
> > > I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to
> > > power hits. Other than that they have been great. It’s my
> > > understanding that Mitsubishi is the best, whatever that

> > Curley wrote:
> >
> > Wouldn't it make sense to put some form of surge suppressor on
> > the line to the control board?

> Craig wrote
> 
> Yes, but those are harder to find and specify ...

I don't know enough about the system, but it sounds like there are
two pieces and the fried controller is connected to the distant
part?

This gets into "network system TVS".  When two or more items are
connected to power _and_ connected to each other there is
opportunity for trouble in any transient event, especially to the
points where the two are connected together.

I would make _sure_ the two parts are getting power from the same
panel.  And be sure there is only one ground bond point for the
two of them.  And be sure the ground isn't compromised but is
connected ONLY to the building ground rod.  

This will eliminate a vast majority of the potential problems from
a transient.

Next I would put over voltage protections.  Gas tubes are really
sturdy, but kinda slow.  Diodes are fast, but not so rugged.  I
would put in both.  I suspect there isn't a pre-made TVS for that
control line,  but if the voltage of the controls signals is
known, then suitable gas tubes and diodes can be added.  So if it
is a 5 volt control signal, clamping at 12 V is probably about
right.

If it is ethernet, including POE, but not HD-BaseT, an L-Com
ELP-CAT6 will do nicely.  Gas tube and diode protection between
each pair and to ground.


L-Com may make something suitable.
http://www.l-com.com/surge-protector-ac-dc-control-line-protectors

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On July 25, 2019 at 3:00 PM Dan--- via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > It’s not just an issue of exhaust, there are other players in the
> > game.
> 
> The guy with the homemade rig in the video (auto alternator/inverter)
> used a fairly quiet little engine, but bolted it to a plywood sounding
> board, with predictable results.

I missed the video. Please send it again.

Thank you,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

GNW fails to allow for the use of plug in cars for much other than replacing 
golf carts for puttering around town.  No way these would function in the cold 
and exceedingly long roads with limited fuel stops, let alone roadside 240v 
plugs.  Recent pricing for electrons hovers around $0.20 Kw/h up here.  Diesel 
or NatGas power the grid, as much as it might be thought of that way.  I did 
see one Leaf the other day.  Not much in the way of Priapusi.

The price of road #2 is lower than standard unleaded.  By around a dime or 
less, but good enough.  Lots of big trucks to use it, and I think there is even 
a refinery that makes it, instead of shipping it to Cherry Point in WA.  
Whatcom Country (where the BP and Philips refineries live) is voting to limit 
their future production, so that fuel prices will rise for the social justice 
voters and will impact prices here.

The ’74 SL has the range of a Tesla, the SD and SDL almost twice that.  Sadly, 
there are no qualified mechanics here to keep them on the road.

  


clay monroe



> On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:11 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeahbut, you need to ask "How often do I make a 350 mile trip?" If you answer 
> is "a couple times a year" then you need to redo the math and see if renting 
> a gas powered vehicle for those times makes sense.
> All of that assumes you're going to be spending $35k or so on a new vehicle 
> anyway.
> Besides I laugh at your puny 350 mile range, I fueled the Jetta today at 615 
> miles. It took 13.3 gallons of diesel which I was actually disappointed with. 
> Lots of around town driving on that tank. We actually went camping last 
> weekend and the drive there was all 2 lane, 55mph, nearly 60mpg. On the way 
> back it was more like 55mpg but the AC was pumping at 97F ambient...
> -Curt


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[MBZ] The patina of yesteryear

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

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Re: [MBZ] It’s amazing what turns up at LKQ

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:40 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:42:57 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Tulsa location just put out a 96 e300. From the photos the car looks
>> super clean, almost looks freshly detailed. Ran the carfax and it shows
>> to have 154k miles, was well serviced, and was a 1 owner vehicle until
>> last year. I’m going to go pull parts off it tomorrow. 
> 
> Can you get the whole car?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] It’s amazing what turns up at LKQ

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:42:57 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Tulsa location just put out a 96 e300. From the photos the car looks
> super clean, almost looks freshly detailed. Ran the carfax and it shows
> to have 154k miles, was well serviced, and was a 1 owner vehicle until
> last year. I’m going to go pull parts off it tomorrow. 

Can you get the whole car?


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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:04:25 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Wouldn't it make sense to put some form of surge suppressor on the line 
> to the control board?

Yes, but those are harder to find and specify ...


Craig


> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:23 PM:
> > I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to power
> > hits. Other than that they have been great. It’s my understanding
> > that Mitsubishi is the best, whatever that means.
> >
> > --FT

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes - it doesn't seem to do anything in Ubuntu or Mint. IBM uni-code.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:26 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:20:15 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Or perhaps π ?
> > (alt-227 on number pad)
>
> On a Windows system ...
>
>
> Craig
>
>
-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 19:20:15 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Or perhaps π ?
> (alt-227 on number pad)

On a Windows system ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Or perhaps π ?
(alt-227 on number pad)

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:16 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> >
> > > On July 25, 2019 at 2:14 PM Craig via Mercedes
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> >
> > > PI?
> >
> > ...are square?
> >
> > https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3601/3354587330_29c29065f4.jpg
>
> Yup, that one is square.
>
> I was thinking about writing, "PI? As opposed to pi?"
>
>
> Craig
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On July 25, 2019 at 2:14 PM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> 
> > PI?
> 
> ...are square?
> 
> https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3601/3354587330_29c29065f4.jpg

Yup, that one is square.

I was thinking about writing, "PI? As opposed to pi?"


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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 23:12:09 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  I've got a couple pairs like that. I don't mind them but they take
> more effort to put in than the ones I listed which sort of suction cup
> into my ears. They're especially good if I'm going to put them in and
> take them out a few times, like if I'm working on something and I get
> disturbed and have to stop. I like them at the shooting range for that
> reason... -Curt

I still have the ones the Air Force issued me in 1973 ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I've got a couple pairs like that. I don't mind them but they take more effort 
to put in than the ones I listed which sort of suction cup into my ears. 
They're especially good if I'm going to put them in and take them out a few 
times, like if I'm working on something and I get disturbed and have to stop. I 
like them at the shooting range for that reason...
-Curt

On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 6:57:37 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Curt wrote:

>  I pretty much always wear ear protection now. I prefer these:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA8CMIS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8=1

I carry these in my pocket.  I like them better than the foam
because I can put them in when my fingers are dirty. 

https://www.amazon.com/Champion-Gel-Corded-Plugs-Case/dp/B0020M9G6A/

I have also found them at Wal Mart.

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:

>  I pretty much always wear ear protection now. I prefer these:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA8CMIS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8=1

I carry these in my pocket.  I like them better than the foam
because I can put them in when my fingers are dirty. 

https://www.amazon.com/Champion-Gel-Corded-Plugs-Case/dp/B0020M9G6A/

I have also found them at Wal Mart.

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Re: [MBZ] FB Group

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> >  Floyd  wrote:

> > Gage Dedor sez:
> > I’ve had more issues with the oe style compressors either 
> > shattering or slipping than I have doing it this way.

> Mitch
> 
> How does an OE style compressor slip?
> And shattering?

Probably a Mazda OE style - not a Mercedes.

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I've regularly had trouble getting them over the 30 years I've been using 
them...

Curt

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  On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 5:17 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
wrote:   Hmmm - "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will 
be
back in stock."

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 2:44 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I pretty much always wear ear protection now. I prefer these:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA8CMIS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> They're expensive but last a really long time. The set I'm using now has
> only been one year but replaced a 3 year old set that the mice ate...
> -Curt
>

-- 
OK Don

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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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[MBZ] High Capacity PATA Laptop Hard Drive

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe this was part of the discussion regarding the STAR C3 diagnostic 
systems’ laptops, as in finding a 2.5” IDE/PATA hard drive large enough for the 
OS as well as the STAR software, whether it be running natively or in a VM.

Finding an IDE/PATA in a 2.5' size in a capacity above 200GB was, at one time 
in the recent past, cost prohibitive. I stumbled across an eBay seller in China 
who is selling open box 200GB and 320GB IDE/PATA drives for around $30:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/WD-320GB-WD3200BEVE-5400RPM-PATA-IDE-EIDE-2-5-Laptop-HDD-Hard-Disk-Drive/383033092556

I just ordered one for my C3 setup. I’ll preserve the original setup so as not 
to risk damage, but I’ve got disk images of the VM that I can load onto the new 
larger drive easily. That means my STAR software will run natively and not in a 
VM, so hopefully I’ll see a performance increase.

For $32 I’ll roll the dice and see how it works out.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Thanks, but don't bother looking - I'll just double up on the ear
protection. There are more noise sources than just the exhaust - not to
mention the metal flails flying around in the machine ...

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:42 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:43:50 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > OK - yes the chipper does a good job. I haven't tried both the foam ear
> > plugs and the muffs - will try that next time. I did find this muffle
> > that I might try on it:
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AX9R8W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER=1
>
> H ... I did not think of looking on Amazon for Walker mufflers!
>
> I'd compare the price to Rock Auto and Summit Racing, but my Internet
> connection is having trouble right now.
>
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

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learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - "Currently unavailable. We don't know when or if this item will be
back in stock."

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 2:44 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I pretty much always wear ear protection now. I prefer these:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA8CMIS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8=1
> They're expensive but last a really long time. The set I'm using now has
> only been one year but replaced a 3 year old set that the mice ate...
> -Curt
>

-- 
OK Don

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] One for Craig

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:45:18 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I was looking for how to write a limerick, and came a cross this one.
> I thought Craig would like it.

I did. Thank you.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:43:50 -0500 OK Don via Mercedes
 wrote:

> OK - yes the chipper does a good job. I haven't tried both the foam ear
> plugs and the muffs - will try that next time. I did find this muffle
> that I might try on it:
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AX9R8W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER=1

H ... I did not think of looking on Amazon for Walker mufflers!

I'd compare the price to Rock Auto and Summit Racing, but my Internet
connection is having trouble right now.


Craig

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[MBZ] FB

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Very well worded commentary from one of our members here about transmission 
fluid to the young lad who is the resident expert on the FB 123 list. This kid 
will learn, or be schooled. Them kids ought to be thankful A. Marshall Booth 
isn't there. 
Perhaps he is, in spirit. 
Funny how things change, yet remain the same. I recall Marshall schooling a 
young lad (or two). 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 25, 2019 at 3:00 PM Dan--- via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> It’s not just an issue of exhaust, there are other players in the game.

The guy with the homemade rig in the video (auto alternator/inverter) used a 
fairly quiet little engine, but bolted it to a plywood sounding board, with 
predictable results.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 25, 2019 at 2:14 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 

> PI?

...are square?

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3601/3354587330_29c29065f4.jpg

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

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 I pretty much always wear ear protection now. I prefer these: 
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA8CMIS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?ie=UTF8=1
They're expensive but last a really long time. The set I'm using now has only 
been one year but replaced a 3 year old set that the mice ate...
-Curt

On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 11:58:27 AM EDT, G Mann via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have a wood chipper with 10 HP Tecumseh, same noise issues. The real
problem is the engine runs at the governed limit all the time the machine
is operational, to have momentum power to chop  and shred. It never idles
down to give the ears a rest.

My solution is to always wear ear protection. Single use foam ear plugs
plus head sets. Noise = Power = Progress... "Back to Work".

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:44 AM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Could look into one for a bigger riding lawn mower or
> zero turn mower.
>
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > We used our chipper/shredder for over tow  hours today - and that 10HP
> B
> > engine is LOUD! Even with ear muffs on, it's almost deafening. You
> > definitely can't communicate with another person around it. I want to rig
> > up a better muffler - any suggestions?
> >
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Re: [MBZ] More from Fakebook

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No, he supposedly has his own shop or something, or works on people’s cars at 
his house, something like that. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 2:40 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> His employer has to pay for it.
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 7/25/19 2:32 PM:
>> And this is the guru and he supposedly works on people’s cars for a living? 
>> Wow. I wonder what happens when he blows up somebody’s car he has worked on.
>> 
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[MBZ] It’s amazing what turns up at LKQ

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Tulsa location just put out a 96 e300. From the photos the car looks super 
clean, almost looks freshly detailed. Ran the carfax and it shows to have 154k 
miles, was well serviced, and was a 1 owner vehicle until last year. I’m going 
to go pull parts off it tomorrow. 

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Re: [MBZ] More from Fakebook

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

His employer has to pay for it.

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 7/25/19 2:32 PM:

And this is the guru and he supposedly works on people’s cars for a living? 
Wow. I wonder what happens when he blows up somebody’s car he has worked on.





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Re: [MBZ] More from Fakebook

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And this is the guru and he supposedly works on people’s cars for a living? 
Wow. I wonder what happens when he blows up somebody’s car he has worked on. 

Sent from my iPhone

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> Yes, he doesn’t seem to appreciate the nuanced difference between “best”
> and “good enough”
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Re: [MBZ] More from Fakebook

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Yes, he doesn’t seem to appreciate the nuanced difference between “best”
and “good enough”


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[MBZ] More from Fakebook

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Today the guru is arguing with Jaime and poos about transmission fluid. 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

With any engine you have noise sources from engine noise, such as reciprocating 
components and combustion, as well as from exhaust gasses and cooling air. Air 
cooled engines are the worst, as they have no water jacket to cut down on some 
of the noise.

You can reduce noise by covering or shrouding the engine, but then you have to 
assure cooling air flow. Exhaust noise can be dealt with through larger 
mufflers.

It’s not just an issue of exhaust, there are other players in the game.

-D

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 2:24 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks - it sounds like the mufflers don't make much of a difference in
> overall noise - Grant might be on the right track - double up the ear
> protection.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:11 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> https://youtu.be/hFWRevWwJtw
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/kxkTi0NWOII
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
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> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
> for themselves."
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Re: [MBZ] Tell lights 200

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Exactly what a 4th grade math teacher told me Monday.   Or, as a former 
boss said:  "if you thin someone is dumb (cant do math) Just short em a 
nickel  on their paycheck.  They will be in the next day teaching YOU math.


Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 3:10 PM:

  I compare our education system to factory farming. Everybody is taught the same. For 
years I thought I couldn't do math, just not my thing, can't do math. Turns out I can't 
do the "carry the one" style, its just not how I process things. I can do more 
math now in my head than I could do with a calculator in high school. We need to spend a 
minute figuring out how a kid learns and stick 'em in with other kids that learn the same 
way and a teacher that understands it. Putting different learning styles together is dumb 
and wastes everybody's time.
Low expectations of course is nothing new, in the '50s nobody cared if Johnny 
couldn't read, he could always go work in the mill, except now he can't, even 
if there was a mill...

-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Thanks - it sounds like the mufflers don't make much of a difference in
overall noise - Grant might be on the right track - double up the ear
protection.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 1:11 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> https://youtu.be/hFWRevWwJtw
>
> https://youtu.be/kxkTi0NWOII
>
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
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2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:36:20 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I came across this, some time ago, perhaps those who pursue PI and Nukes
> and Rocket Science can comment.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxegcZqx_8

PI?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the kohler Pullman generator is ducted into a muffler that looks like 
the one on the hood of a IH cub.  It is msaller than one on an A.   
About 3" dia and 15" or so long.   THat is a big improvement.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 7/24/19 6:48 PM:

We used our chipper/shredder for over tow  hours today - and that 10HP B
engine is LOUD! Even with ear muffs on, it's almost deafening. You
definitely can't communicate with another person around it. I want to rig
up a better muffler - any suggestions?




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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://youtu.be/hFWRevWwJtw

https://youtu.be/kxkTi0NWOII




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Re: [MBZ] FB Group

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

one of my favorites.  I hope someday to have my stereo stuff hooked up 
again   ELP is at the top of my list.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote on 7/24/19 7:37 AM:

Greg Lake wrote a song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VsifANR96s





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Re: [MBZ] Garage A/c Wuz:Test Message

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Wouldn't it make sense to put some form of surge suppressor on the line 
to the control board?


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 10:23 PM:

I have 2 LG systems. Control board in one has fried twice to power hits. Other 
than that they have been great. It’s my understanding that Mitsubishi is the 
best, whatever that means.

--FT
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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 25, 2019 at 11:57 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>  If you really want it to be quiet I'd start with a small car muffler and 
> adapt it down.
> 

My 1975 Civic, and a lot of 2nd Gen Civics and 1st Gen Accords, was almost 
totally silent.
The 1975 had tiny exhaust, maybe 1.5", and flowed plenty for 60hp. 
I was moving in that direction when looking at Summit for Walker mufflers, was 
thinking of putting one on my generator. Craig went to even more effort there 
and posted it last night IIRC.
Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] One for Craig

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was looking for how to write a limerick, and came a cross this one.  I 
thought Craig would like it.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 12:15 PM:

On Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:47:02 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


It's a favorite project of mine
A new value of pi to assign.
I would fix it at 3
For it's simpler, you see,
Than 3.14159.

Cute!

I have a book about pi which goes over all of the history, including
legislation which fixed it at 3. Quite a story.


Craig

P.S. It is interesting that this message didn't show up until this
  morning, two days after it was sent ...

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Re: [MBZ] Today’s Fakebook advice

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Necessary to have an emergency supply of oxygen on board when you are
running a hood stack and "rolling coal"
Well, oxygen and nitrous oxide to much happy gas and soot and you need
a breath of oxygen...
If your spring compressor doesn't brake ;))

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 7:39 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> haha yeah I just sent that little gem to the list.  That guy is a Mazda
> service advisor and trained paramedic.  A good combo for such dumbassery.
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/25/19 10:31 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > Do not use the proper spring compressor, it it much easier and perfectly
> save to use a floor jack and a big hammer.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[OK Don via Mercedes]

OK - yes the chipper does a good job. I haven't tried both the foam ear
plugs and the muffs - will try that next time. I did find this muffle that
I might try on it:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001AX9R8W/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER=1


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:58 AM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I have a wood chipper with 10 HP Tecumseh, same noise issues. The real
> problem is the engine runs at the governed limit all the time the machine
> is operational, to have momentum power to chop  and shred. It never idles
> down to give the ears a rest.
>
> My solution is to always wear ear protection. Single use foam ear plugs
> plus head sets. Noise = Power = Progress... "Back to Work".
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:44 AM MG via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
> > Could look into one for a bigger riding lawn mower or
> > zero turn mower.
> >
> > OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > > We used our chipper/shredder for over tow  hours today - and that 10HP
> > B
> > > engine is LOUD! Even with ear muffs on, it's almost deafening. You
> > > definitely can't communicate with another person around it. I want to
> rig
> > > up a better muffler - any suggestions?
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pause and reflect." Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg
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Re: [MBZ] Tell lights 200

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

No  Return to actual teaching.   Not indoctrination.

OK Don via Mercedes wrote on 7/23/19 11:29 AM:

Yes, and return to the medieval days ---

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:23 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Amen.  If I were king for a day, I'd eliminate schools and their taxes.
tell parents to band together and teach or hire a teacher with the money
they are no longer taxed for.   6-8 years in a one room school was far
superior to a current kolledge ejamacation in most  cases.   (oh, and
sell the real estate, refunding the money to the taxpayers)






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Re: [MBZ] FB Group

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> On July 25, 2019 at 10:35 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
Gage Dedor sez:
> I’ve had more issues with the oe style compressors either 
> shattering or slipping than I have doing it this way.


How does an OE style compressor slip?
And shattering?
I've had no reason to fear that my $100 Chinese OE style compressor would ever 
do that.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:57:12 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

>  Generally speaking the bigger the mower, the better the muffler. I'd
> also look at a generator muffler, especially one for a Honda generator,
> those are really quiet. Also in general small equipment mufflers are
> garbage, most are just a tin can that contains a pipe with holes in.
> They really don't waste a penny on them... If you really want it to be
> quiet I'd start with a small car muffler and adapt it down.

That's what I was trying to point to with all the information I gave
last night.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 500E

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You need to lock in your domain name - floydthursby.com.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:50 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> Yeah, me too.  There are 3 or 4 of these guys who started making youtube
> vids, now they make a nice tidy living buying wrecked and beater cars
> and fixing them up, or not, and having fun doing it. I gotta get into
> that deal.
>
> --FT
>
> On 7/25/19 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I am addicted to this guy's videos, wanker be damned.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:07 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Not a 'don't buy a cheap Mercedes' story as much as a 'pre-purchase
> >> inspection beats post-purchase inspection' story.
> >> Mitch.
> >>> On July 24, 2019 at 5:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> This guy is a wanker but he is entertaining
> >>>
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=237vPZgALA8
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of HVAC

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That's b/c they are a fraction of the calories of a full (banana) split.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:45 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> We love our mini splits.
>
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>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 11:06 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>
> >  I was going to say the same. I hope hotel units are cheap, otherwise
> > theres not much good to say about them.
> > Traveling in Europe a couple months ago I noticed all the hotels we
> stayed
> > in had mini-splits.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 11:35:09 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
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> >  In my experience, those hotel units are very noisy compared to
> > mini-splits.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
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> > > Subject: [MBZ] Speaking of HVAC
> > >
> > > Tractor Supply offering this hotel kind of unit $900
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] AC options for 300SD

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I agree.  You could do a lot worse.

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:59 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> Probably fine.  I've bought other Behr stuff, no issues.  Note the review.
> --
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> >W116 300SD?
> >
> >https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-a-c-compressor-0002304711
> >
> >Allan
> >
> >Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
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> >> 86 and up
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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> >>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes
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> >>> 126 compressors are Nippondenso I think, at least the diesels are.
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Re: [MBZ] AC options for 300SD

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Probably fine.  I've bought other Behr stuff, no issues.  Note the review.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On July 25, 2019 11:46:49 AM EDT, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
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>Any opinion on the Behr unit that FCP says is "OEM" and will fit my
>W116 300SD?
>
>https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-a-c-compressor-0002304711
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>Allan
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>> 86 and up
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 126 compressors are Nippondenso I think, at least the diesels are.
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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I have a wood chipper with 10 HP Tecumseh, same noise issues. The real
problem is the engine runs at the governed limit all the time the machine
is operational, to have momentum power to chop  and shred. It never idles
down to give the ears a rest.

My solution is to always wear ear protection. Single use foam ear plugs
plus head sets. Noise = Power = Progress... "Back to Work".

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:44 AM MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Could look into one for a bigger riding lawn mower or
> zero turn mower.
>
> OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> > We used our chipper/shredder for over tow  hours today - and that 10HP
> B
> > engine is LOUD! Even with ear muffs on, it's almost deafening. You
> > definitely can't communicate with another person around it. I want to rig
> > up a better muffler - any suggestions?
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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Generally speaking the bigger the mower, the better the muffler. I'd also look 
at a generator muffler, especially one for a Honda generator, those are really 
quiet.
Also in general small equipment mufflers are garbage, most are just a tin can 
that contains a pipe with holes in. They really don't waste a penny on them...
If you really want it to be quiet I'd start with a small car muffler and adapt 
it down.

-Curt

On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 11:44:21 AM EDT, MG via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Could look into one for a bigger riding lawn mower or 
zero turn mower.

OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
> We used our chipper/shredder for over tow  hours today - and that 10HP B
> engine is LOUD! Even with ear muffs on, it's almost deafening. You
> definitely can't communicate with another person around it. I want to rig
> up a better muffler - any suggestions?
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 500E

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah, me too.  There are 3 or 4 of these guys who started making youtube 
vids, now they make a nice tidy living buying wrecked and beater cars 
and fixing them up, or not, and having fun doing it. I gotta get into 
that deal.


--FT

On 7/25/19 11:09 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I am addicted to this guy's videos, wanker be damned.

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 8:07 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
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Not a 'don't buy a cheap Mercedes' story as much as a 'pre-purchase
inspection beats post-purchase inspection' story.
Mitch.

On July 24, 2019 at 5:24 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <

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This guy is a wanker but he is entertaining

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=237vPZgALA8

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Re: [MBZ] AC options for 300SD

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Any opinion on the Behr unit that FCP says is "OEM" and will fit my W116 300SD?

https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-a-c-compressor-0002304711

Allan

Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

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>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> 126 compressors are Nippondenso I think, at least the diesels are.
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of HVAC

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We love our mini splits.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 11:06 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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>  I was going to say the same. I hope hotel units are cheap, otherwise
> theres not much good to say about them.
> Traveling in Europe a couple months ago I noticed all the hotels we stayed
> in had mini-splits.
> -Curt
>
> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 11:35:09 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via
> Mercedes  wrote:
>
>  In my experience, those hotel units are very noisy compared to
> mini-splits.
>
> > -Original Message-
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> > Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 7:43 AM
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> > Subject: [MBZ] Speaking of HVAC
> >
> > Tractor Supply offering this hotel kind of unit $900
> >
> https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/perfect-aire-14-700-14-500-btu-
> > packaged-terminal-air-conditioner-1210438
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Re: [MBZ] OT -mufflers for B engines

[MG via Mercedes]

Could look into one for a bigger riding lawn mower or 
zero turn mower.


OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

We used our chipper/shredder for over tow  hours today - and that 10HP B
engine is LOUD! Even with ear muffs on, it's almost deafening. You
definitely can't communicate with another person around it. I want to rig
up a better muffler - any suggestions?



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[G Mann via Mercedes]

And, only the first 5 train cars were filled with batteries. Progress is a
fragile thing.
The holly grail with EV machines is "battery". and a lot of big minds
and big money is chasing that holy grail, a lot of promises are made, and a
lot looks "promising", but not to the end of market by many steps.

I came across this, some time ago, perhaps those who pursue PI and Nukes
and Rocket Science can comment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxegcZqx_8

Seems some strong points are made regards final market and price.

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>  Yeahbut, you need to ask "How often do I make a 350 mile trip?" If you
> answer is "a couple times a year" then you need to redo the math and see if
> renting a gas powered vehicle for those times makes sense.
> All of that assumes you're going to be spending $35k or so on a new
> vehicle anyway.
> Besides I laugh at your puny 350 mile range, I fueled the Jetta today at
> 615 miles. It took 13.3 gallons of diesel which I was actually disappointed
> with. Lots of around town driving on that tank. We actually went camping
> last weekend and the drive there was all 2 lane, 55mph, nearly 60mpg. On
> the way back it was more like 55mpg but the AC was pumping at 97F ambient...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 10:34:27 AM EDT, M. Mitchell Marmel via
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>
>  On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 9:17 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > The heavy train cars were only pulled for 1,000 feet, which may show the
> > limitations of the prototype's battery, Grejtak noted. Batteries prices
> > have been dropping, but their weight, power and cost are delicate
> > trade-offs for automakers.
> >
>
> This, to me, is the main bugaboo of electric vehicles:  They're great for
> around town,  but not so much for cross-country trips.
>
> I'll look at the newest gee-whiz machine and ask,  "Can I make a 350 mile
> trip with luggage without refueling?"  More often than not, the answer
> will be "no"...
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Re: [MBZ] Tell lights 200

[MG via Mercedes]

I've found that ink lasts a good long time. I've even 
added a few drops of water when I thought it was too 
thick. I remember having a long handled pen it came 
with a desk set. One fountain and the other a 
ballpoint. They are long gone can't even think of when 
I saw them last.


MG


My mother used a long handled Shaeffer fountain pen, with green ink
exclusively for writing letters, etc. I still have a collection of various
colored inks in bottles, don't know if they are still good though.



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yeahbut, you need to ask "How often do I make a 350 mile trip?" If you answer 
is "a couple times a year" then you need to redo the math and see if renting a 
gas powered vehicle for those times makes sense.
All of that assumes you're going to be spending $35k or so on a new vehicle 
anyway.
Besides I laugh at your puny 350 mile range, I fueled the Jetta today at 615 
miles. It took 13.3 gallons of diesel which I was actually disappointed with. 
Lots of around town driving on that tank. We actually went camping last weekend 
and the drive there was all 2 lane, 55mph, nearly 60mpg. On the way back it was 
more like 55mpg but the AC was pumping at 97F ambient...
-Curt


On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 10:34:27 AM EDT, M. Mitchell Marmel via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 9:17 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> The heavy train cars were only pulled for 1,000 feet, which may show the
> limitations of the prototype's battery, Grejtak noted. Batteries prices
> have been dropping, but their weight, power and cost are delicate
> trade-offs for automakers.
>

This, to me, is the main bugaboo of electric vehicles:  They're great for
around town,  but not so much for cross-country trips.

I'll look at the newest gee-whiz machine and ask,  "Can I make a 350 mile
trip with luggage without refueling?"  More often than not, the answer
will be "no"...

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap 500E

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I am addicted to this guy's videos, wanker be damned.

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> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of HVAC

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I was going to say the same. I hope hotel units are cheap, otherwise theres 
not much good to say about them.
Traveling in Europe a couple months ago I noticed all the hotels we stayed in 
had mini-splits.
-Curt

On Wednesday, July 24, 2019, 11:35:09 PM EDT, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 In my experience, those hotel units are very noisy compared to mini-splits. 

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> Subject: [MBZ] Speaking of HVAC
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> https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/perfect-aire-14-700-14-500-btu-
> packaged-terminal-air-conditioner-1210438
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Re: [MBZ] who wants bluetec?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm ISO an SUV, not a sedan.

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> Selling near me Friday:
>
> https://www.copart.com/lot/39921159
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Re: [MBZ] Today’s Fakebook advice

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

haha yeah I just sent that little gem to the list.  That guy is a Mazda 
service advisor and trained paramedic.  A good combo for such dumbassery.


--FT

On 7/25/19 10:31 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Do not use the proper spring compressor, it it much easier and perfectly save 
to use a floor jack and a big hammer.

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Re: [MBZ] FB Group

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Now they're talking spring compressors...


Gage Dedor  Place jack under LCA 
undo upper control arm ball joint bolt. Smack ball joint with a hammer a 
couple times, slowly lower jack and let ball joint fall springs will 
fall out


Logan Thomas  If you like 
to live life on the edge that's probably the way to do it.
Gage Dedor  It’s really not that 
unsafe. I’ve had more issues with the oe style compressors either 
shattering or slipping than I have doing it this way.




Well, it looks like this guy has some paramedic training, so that might 
come in useful






On 7/24/19 12:25 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Just checked the FB 123, and 124 groups. My head hurts...

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 9:17 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> The heavy train cars were only pulled for 1,000 feet, which may show the
> limitations of the prototype's battery, Grejtak noted. Batteries prices
> have been dropping, but their weight, power and cost are delicate
> trade-offs for automakers.
>

This, to me, is the main bugaboo of electric vehicles:  They're great for
around town,  but not so much for cross-country trips.

I'll look at the newest gee-whiz machine and ask,  "Can I make a 350 mile
trip with luggage without refueling?"   More often than not, the answer
will be "no"...

-MMM-
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[MBZ] Today’s Fakebook advice

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Do not use the proper spring compressor, it it much easier and perfectly save 
to use a floor jack and a big hammer. 

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[MBZ] OT: Towing capability of a F-150 EV prototype

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

ELECTRIC VEHICLESFord F-150 video signals new electric pushPublished:
Thursday, July 25, 2019[image: All-electric Ford F-150 towing trains and
cars. Photo credit: Ford Motor Co.]

A prototype of an all-electric Ford F-150 is shown here towing more than
1.25 million pounds of rail cars and trucks during a test. Ford Motor Co.

Ford Motor Co. posted a splashy teaser video for a new electric F-150
truck, planting its flag in a largely uncharted market for electric
vehicles.

In the five-minute video , a
black electric F-150 prototype tows a chain of rail cars weighing a million
pounds. Then Ford loads 42 trucks onto that train, upping the weight to
1.25 million pounds, and does it again. The number winks at the fact that
the F-150 has been America's best-selling truck for each of the past 42
years.

While the towing ability may impress truckers, it also communicates that
Ford is serious about electrifying the F-150 — though a final product may
still be years away, if one arrives at all.

The video, posted Tuesday, is Ford's most explicit promise so far to
manufacture a pure-electric truck. Ford plans to roll out a hybrid
gas-electric F-150 next year, and in April it invested $500 million in
Rivian, a startup electric truck-maker. At the end of the video, the words
flash, "The all-electric Ford F-150 is coming."

The message is targeted directly at truck buyers and echoes what Tesla Inc.
did with its speedy Roadster a decade ago — demonstrate that an electric
steed can in some ways outperform its gasoline counterpart.

"This is an area where an electric vehicle can show a performance benefit
that is key to its constituent customers," said Tim Grejtak, an
energy-storage analyst for Lux Research Inc. "It worked for Tesla. Now Ford
is trying to make a similarly bold statement."

Electric cars excel in towing because they have ample low-end torque, a
measure of the vehicle's ability to accelerate at low RPM levels. The
electric motor provides immediate traction to the wheels, without the
intermediaries of combustion and cylinders.

The towing capacity of the most powerful F-150 currently on the market, the
3.5-liter EcoBoost twin-turbo-charged V6, is 13,200 pounds. The electric
prototype pulled more than 94 times that amount.

The video had plenty of advertising elements to win over truckers: Five men
in jeans, work boots and baseball caps pumped their fists on the sidelines
as Linda Zhang, who is the chief F-150 engineer, piloted the truck silently
forward. An electric motor makes almost no noise.

"Listen to the motor," one of the men said.

"What motor?" another replied.

The heavy train cars were only pulled for 1,000 feet, which may show the
limitations of the prototype's battery, Grejtak noted. Batteries prices
have been dropping, but their weight, power and cost are delicate
trade-offs for automakers.

While Ford gave strong signs of its intentions, the Dearborn, Mich.-based
company took care to add caveats.

"The F-150 all-electric is towing far beyond any production truck's
published capacity in a one-time short event demonstration. Never tow
beyond a vehicle's towing capacities," stated a disclaimer on the screen.

It also gave no deadline. Ford will deliver the electric truck "in the
coming years," Zhang said.
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Re: [MBZ] FB Group

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Larry on this list used to offer that.  I bought  his kit & had M1 in my
240D tested. Some years ago

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 9:45 AM Max Dillon via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Has anyone offered an easy factual test: used oil analysis?  Post some
> using OE or OEM oil filters, challenge the Wix boys to put up or shut up.
> --
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> Charleston SC
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> On July 24, 2019 3:30:06 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] FB Group

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Has anyone offered an easy factual test: used oil analysis?  Post some using OE 
or OEM oil filters, challenge the Wix boys to put up or shut up.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On July 24, 2019 3:30:06 PM EDT, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>
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Re: [MBZ] Speaking of HVAC

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On July 24, 2019 at 11:54 PM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> > Well yeah, all the mechanicals are in that box.  The mini split is...
> > split
> 
> In addition, the hotel unit has a lower SEER than a mini-split.

But possibly not greatly so.
The TSC description gave the EER IIRC, not the SEER. 

Mitch.

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