[MBZ] 1999 E320 wagon - 179k miles - $1,600

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Doesn't look too bad from what I can see, but ... extension cord closed in door 
... ozone cleaner? Dehumidifier?

https://muncie.craigslist.org/cto/d/new-castle-1999-mercedes-benz/7489153373.html

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Re: [MBZ] Yay me!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

wow sounds like Labor Day weekend. great news on all your progress

On Fri, May 27, 2022, 7:58 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Attaboy!
>
> I’ve got a busy weekend ahead of me, too, with a bunch of goodies to be
> picked up at the stealership early tomorrow morning. After that, the ML550
> gets dropped off at the tint guy so he can tint the front windows, as the
> car lived in NY, which doesn’t allow front windows to be tinted. I didn’t
> think it would be that big of a deal until I was driving it this morning
> around 8:30 and the sun was already heating up my arm. Fuggedabout it!
>
> On the E320:
>
> Plastic trim surround on front seat - damaged by previous owner/wear and
> tear, I presume. Also includes a new storage “door” on the lower front of
> the seat, as the pivot is part of the surround piece.
>
> New (spare) tire is at the tire place. I’ve got a valve for it (the spare
> tire valve is unique and not a common valve) I’ve got to drop off and
> they’ll mount the new tire.
>
> New “zoom tubes” for the engine (plastic tubes from the radiator support
> to the air cleaner.) Both were brittle and cracked and needed replacement.
>
> New air cleaner/MAF sealing ring on bottom of air cleaner. Important part
> that turns to stone as it ages from engine heat.
>
> Updated oil filler cap with the taller “handle” that makes it much easier
> to turn. I retrofit these to all my cars (000 010 13 85 64) so I can get
> the oil filler off without using a slip joint pliers.
>
> New Bosch wiper blades. Can’t stomach $50/set my cost from the stealer.
> There’s a limit to my willingness to buy OE parts I can get in the
> aftermarket.
>
>
> On the ML550:
>
> New air cleaner/MAF seal. Really didn’t need one as someone has been
> caring for the one on the car, but it never hurts to have a spare
>
> New LED strip for the driver’s mirror turn signal. The lens is missing
> from the one on the car, a pretty common occurrence.
>
> New “puddle lamp” bulb for the driver’s side mirror. Gonna be in there,
> might as well replace it.
>
> New center console latch. Existing one has a broken hook.
>
> Right hand “zoom tube” - original one is cracked.
>
> Lever and retaining ring for lumbar adjustment on driver’s seat. Missing.
>
> New left side telematics buttons for steering wheel. Originals have worn
> off icons.
>
> New lower steering wheel spoke trim. Originals are cracked and the
> “chrome” is peeling.
>
> Emergency response QR code label - these are $0.15 and I make sure they’re
> on every one of my cars. They go on the inside of the gas filler door and
> allow EMTs to scan to get diagrams of where to cut the vehicle open for
> extractions as well as the locations of fuel tank and batteries. Mercedes
> makes them for everything from the W210 up. They used to be free for the
> asking...
>
> Screwdriver bit 126 589 00 10 00 - the #27 Torx driver used to unscrew the
> screws that secure the airbag. It fits all airbag-equipped cars and makes
> it a lot easier than using a regular Torx driver. Been meaning to buy one
> of these for a long time…
>
> I’ve got the new spare tire and wheel coming in, but they’ve got to mount
> the tire and that won’t happen until Wednesday of next week. I’m sure I’ll
> need some additional items by then.
>
> On top of all this I’ve got some detailing supplies coming in for
> refreshing the black plastic trim on the ML550.
>
> Now if someone will only come and buy the SL500!
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
> > On May 27, 2022, at 7:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Rain finished late this afternoon so I went out to do the last few
> things to get the S550 buttoned up. Got oil lines and AC lines hooked back
> up, got the PS pump lines swapped over to the “new” cooler, and tightened
> various bolts. Filled coolant (2.5 gal initially at $19/gal for blue stuff,
> ouchie).
> >
> > Fired the car up and it ran well, temp was coming up as expected. PS
> pump needs more hydraulik oel as it was low and Not Happy, some leaked out
> as I was swapping lines. Transmission needs more fluid as some seems to
> have leaked from the damaged cooler.  I noticed that it was spewing
> initially when I looked at the car.  I think I’ll try to add more through a
> cooler line instead of from underneath as ist in ordnung. Gonna change it
> soon anyway so should be OK for short test drive.
> >
> > Only thing left is install the headlights and front bumper, not a lot to
> that, and to bang out the bent safety latch/distronic support to use until
> I can find another one. I’ll go at it tomorrow. BFH time!  And maybe put
> the welder on it too.
> >
> > Oh, and UPS seems to have lost my Amazon fog lamp bulbs, one got smashed
> in the forest rat encounter.
> >
> > Close!  Fun times!  Yay me!
> >
> > --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Yay me!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Very good. I’ll do it whenever my chinee part shows up 

--FT
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> On May 27, 2022, at 8:38 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ll find a BanzWhirled link for you. There’s a tab that you have to push in 
> using a long screwdriver or something comparable with the mirror adjusted in 
> and down as far as it will go. Then the whole cover slides off, giving you 
> 100% access to everything inside. A small Phillips head screw holds the 
> outside edge of the LED strip and the inside has a hook that catches on the 
> cover as I recall. There’s likely a puddle light in the bottom of the cover 
> as well. I like to replace the bulbs on these when I’m in there as it will 
> for sure go out a week or two later otherwise.
> 
> It’s not difficult to do.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 27, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you just pop off the glass from the mount to get in there?  I have a new 
>> strip coming for the S550. 
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
 On May 27, 2022, at 7:58 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> New LED strip for the driver’s mirror turn signal. The lens is missing from 
>>> the one on the car, a pretty common occurrence.
>>> 
>>> New “puddle lamp” bulb for the driver’s side mirror. Gonna be in there, 
>>> might as well replace it.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yay me!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’ll find a BanzWhirled link for you. There’s a tab that you have to push in 
using a long screwdriver or something comparable with the mirror adjusted in 
and down as far as it will go. Then the whole cover slides off, giving you 100% 
access to everything inside. A small Phillips head screw holds the outside edge 
of the LED strip and the inside has a hook that catches on the cover as I 
recall. There’s likely a puddle light in the bottom of the cover as well. I 
like to replace the bulbs on these when I’m in there as it will for sure go out 
a week or two later otherwise.

It’s not difficult to do.

-D

> On May 27, 2022, at 8:32 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you just pop off the glass from the mount to get in there?  I have a new 
> strip coming for the S550. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On May 27, 2022, at 7:58 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> New LED strip for the driver’s mirror turn signal. The lens is missing from 
>> the one on the car, a pretty common occurrence.
>> 
>> New “puddle lamp” bulb for the driver’s side mirror. Gonna be in there, 
>> might as well replace it.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Yay me!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Do you just pop off the glass from the mount to get in there?  I have a new 
strip coming for the S550. 

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On May 27, 2022, at 7:58 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> New LED strip for the driver’s mirror turn signal. The lens is missing from 
> the one on the car, a pretty common occurrence.
> 
> New “puddle lamp” bulb for the driver’s side mirror. Gonna be in there, might 
> as well replace it.

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Re: [MBZ] Yay me!

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

Attaboy!

I’ve got a busy weekend ahead of me, too, with a bunch of goodies to be picked 
up at the stealership early tomorrow morning. After that, the ML550 gets 
dropped off at the tint guy so he can tint the front windows, as the car lived 
in NY, which doesn’t allow front windows to be tinted. I didn’t think it would 
be that big of a deal until I was driving it this morning around 8:30 and the 
sun was already heating up my arm. Fuggedabout it!

On the E320:

Plastic trim surround on front seat - damaged by previous owner/wear and tear, 
I presume. Also includes a new storage “door” on the lower front of the seat, 
as the pivot is part of the surround piece.

New (spare) tire is at the tire place. I’ve got a valve for it (the spare tire 
valve is unique and not a common valve) I’ve got to drop off and they’ll mount 
the new tire.

New “zoom tubes” for the engine (plastic tubes from the radiator support to the 
air cleaner.) Both were brittle and cracked and needed replacement.

New air cleaner/MAF sealing ring on bottom of air cleaner. Important part that 
turns to stone as it ages from engine heat.

Updated oil filler cap with the taller “handle” that makes it much easier to 
turn. I retrofit these to all my cars (000 010 13 85 64) so I can get the oil 
filler off without using a slip joint pliers.

New Bosch wiper blades. Can’t stomach $50/set my cost from the stealer. There’s 
a limit to my willingness to buy OE parts I can get in the aftermarket.


On the ML550:

New air cleaner/MAF seal. Really didn’t need one as someone has been caring for 
the one on the car, but it never hurts to have a spare

New LED strip for the driver’s mirror turn signal. The lens is missing from the 
one on the car, a pretty common occurrence.

New “puddle lamp” bulb for the driver’s side mirror. Gonna be in there, might 
as well replace it.

New center console latch. Existing one has a broken hook.

Right hand “zoom tube” - original one is cracked.

Lever and retaining ring for lumbar adjustment on driver’s seat. Missing.

New left side telematics buttons for steering wheel. Originals have worn off 
icons.

New lower steering wheel spoke trim. Originals are cracked and the “chrome” is 
peeling.

Emergency response QR code label - these are $0.15 and I make sure they’re on 
every one of my cars. They go on the inside of the gas filler door and allow 
EMTs to scan to get diagrams of where to cut the vehicle open for extractions 
as well as the locations of fuel tank and batteries. Mercedes makes them for 
everything from the W210 up. They used to be free for the asking...

Screwdriver bit 126 589 00 10 00 - the #27 Torx driver used to unscrew the 
screws that secure the airbag. It fits all airbag-equipped cars and makes it a 
lot easier than using a regular Torx driver. Been meaning to buy one of these 
for a long time…

I’ve got the new spare tire and wheel coming in, but they’ve got to mount the 
tire and that won’t happen until Wednesday of next week. I’m sure I’ll need 
some additional items by then.

On top of all this I’ve got some detailing supplies coming in for refreshing 
the black plastic trim on the ML550.

Now if someone will only come and buy the SL500!

-D




> On May 27, 2022, at 7:28 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rain finished late this afternoon so I went out to do the last few things to 
> get the S550 buttoned up. Got oil lines and AC lines hooked back up, got the 
> PS pump lines swapped over to the “new” cooler, and tightened various bolts. 
> Filled coolant (2.5 gal initially at $19/gal for blue stuff, ouchie). 
> 
> Fired the car up and it ran well, temp was coming up as expected. PS pump 
> needs more hydraulik oel as it was low and Not Happy, some leaked out as I 
> was swapping lines. Transmission needs more fluid as some seems to have 
> leaked from the damaged cooler.  I noticed that it was spewing initially when 
> I looked at the car.  I think I’ll try to add more through a cooler line 
> instead of from underneath as ist in ordnung. Gonna change it soon anyway so 
> should be OK for short test drive. 
> 
> Only thing left is install the headlights and front bumper, not a lot to 
> that, and to bang out the bent safety latch/distronic support to use until I 
> can find another one. I’ll go at it tomorrow. BFH time!  And maybe put the 
> welder on it too. 
> 
> Oh, and UPS seems to have lost my Amazon fog lamp bulbs, one got smashed in 
> the forest rat encounter. 
> 
> Close!  Fun times!  Yay me!
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] Yay me!

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

way to go.

On Fri, May 27, 2022, 7:28 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Rain finished late this afternoon so I went out to do the last few things
> to get the S550 buttoned up. Got oil lines and AC lines hooked back up, got
> the PS pump lines swapped over to the “new” cooler, and tightened various
> bolts. Filled coolant (2.5 gal initially at $19/gal for blue stuff,
> ouchie).
>
> Fired the car up and it ran well, temp was coming up as expected. PS pump
> needs more hydraulik oel as it was low and Not Happy, some leaked out as I
> was swapping lines. Transmission needs more fluid as some seems to have
> leaked from the damaged cooler.  I noticed that it was spewing initially
> when I looked at the car.  I think I’ll try to add more through a cooler
> line instead of from underneath as ist in ordnung. Gonna change it soon
> anyway so should be OK for short test drive.
>
> Only thing left is install the headlights and front bumper, not a lot to
> that, and to bang out the bent safety latch/distronic support to use until
> I can find another one. I’ll go at it tomorrow. BFH time!  And maybe put
> the welder on it too.
>
> Oh, and UPS seems to have lost my Amazon fog lamp bulbs, one got smashed
> in the forest rat encounter.
>
> Close!  Fun times!  Yay me!
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
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[MBZ] Yay me!

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Rain finished late this afternoon so I went out to do the last few things to 
get the S550 buttoned up. Got oil lines and AC lines hooked back up, got the PS 
pump lines swapped over to the “new” cooler, and tightened various bolts. 
Filled coolant (2.5 gal initially at $19/gal for blue stuff, ouchie). 

Fired the car up and it ran well, temp was coming up as expected. PS pump needs 
more hydraulik oel as it was low and Not Happy, some leaked out as I was 
swapping lines. Transmission needs more fluid as some seems to have leaked from 
the damaged cooler.  I noticed that it was spewing initially when I looked at 
the car.  I think I’ll try to add more through a cooler line instead of from 
underneath as ist in ordnung. Gonna change it soon anyway so should be OK for 
short test drive. 

Only thing left is install the headlights and front bumper, not a lot to that, 
and to bang out the bent safety latch/distronic support to use until I can find 
another one. I’ll go at it tomorrow. BFH time!  And maybe put the welder on it 
too. 

Oh, and UPS seems to have lost my Amazon fog lamp bulbs, one got smashed in the 
forest rat encounter. 

Close!  Fun times!  Yay me!

--FT
Sent from iFōn
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I just saw this regarding the life of the battery in a Prius:

"According to Wrightgrid
, you can
expect your Toyota Prius battery to last between 10 and 15 years,
especially if you take good care of it. However, there are a handful of
factors that go into what makes a "healthy" battery. Wrightgrid noted that
you can determine how quickly your Prius' battery is deteriorating by the
frequency of voltage spikes, but you should get about 150,000 miles at the
bare minimum before seeing any sort of problems in your car's handling.
You can keep your battery charged by driving your vehicle regularly, and by
keeping is gassed up so that you aren't relying so heavily on your hybrid
EV system. It's not unlike charging a very large phone; the healthiest
charge level is somewhere between 30-80% at all times. You may also want to
limit the number of "short" trips, or tours through populated urban spaces
with many stop lights -- or spaces with heavy traffic. Trips like these can
put stress on your car's battery that lowers its lifespan. You may as well
balance these trips out with a few longer trips to lower-density spaces
such as freeways and rural roads, where you can give both your gas engine
and electric motor some regular exercise."

Note that it dispels the myth that they are great for short trips in town
---

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 4:23 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The run flat problem is a lead acid battery problem, not a lithium battery
> issue. The BMS is supposed to prevent the battery getting discharged to
> damaging levels.
> For off grid solar lithium is a game changer, they're physically smaller,
> don't off gas, and can be deep discharged without damage. For me the issue
> is that they won't charge well when cold so I'd need to find a place for
> them inside the heated envelope of the camp. I think I've got it figured
> out and our next batteries will probably be lithium.
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 3:34 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   What are they warrantied for?
>
> As I understand it, they don't "expire" they start losing capacity (which
> reduces range) and eventually they will no longer provide a useful range to
> the owner of the vehicle.
>
> It also depends how they are used. If they are run to near-flat and then
> fully recharged, that's harder on the battery life than running them down
> to say 40% and charging back up to say 80% charge (assuming that meets your
> range requirements).
>
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > I am not aware that EV battery packs expire in 5 years.  Can you back up
> > that statement?
> >
> > On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 3:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> If you do a hard cost analysis of purchase cost of the EV auto, then
> add in
> >> the hard cost of owning a solar power collection system to feed the EV
> with
> >> energy, then do an actual hard cost per mile used, it raises some real
> >> questions about just how economical the EV actually is to own and
> support,
> >> doesn't it?
> >> Somewhere along the way, you would need to factor in the expected
> service
> >> life of the EV, the solar system, storage batteries, and other equipment
> >> required, like the expected $20,000 + to replace the EV's battery packs
> in
> >> 5 years.
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 12:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> > > This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
> >> > > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
> >> > > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power
> >> systems.
> >> >
> >> > To me it's like having a septic system instead of utility sewer
> service.
> >> > I'll do it if there's no better option (and I do have a septic system
> at
> >> my
> >> > house) but I'd much rather pay a utility to handle it.
> >> >
> >> > I'd have to see a much-better-than-break-even proposal to be even
> >> slightly
> >> > interested in running my own solar panel rig.
> >> >
> >> > Allan
> >> >
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The run flat problem is a lead acid battery problem, not a lithium battery 
issue. The BMS is supposed to prevent the battery getting discharged to 
damaging levels.
For off grid solar lithium is a game changer, they're physically smaller, don't 
off gas, and can be deep discharged without damage. For me the issue is that 
they won't charge well when cold so I'd need to find a place for them inside 
the heated envelope of the camp. I think I've got it figured out and our next 
batteries will probably be lithium.
Curt

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  On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 3:34 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   What are they warrantied for?

As I understand it, they don't "expire" they start losing capacity (which 
reduces range) and eventually they will no longer provide a useful range to the 
owner of the vehicle.

It also depends how they are used. If they are run to near-flat and then fully 
recharged, that's harder on the battery life than running them down to say 40% 
and charging back up to say 80% charge (assuming that meets your range 
requirements).


On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> I am not aware that EV battery packs expire in 5 years.  Can you back up
> that statement?
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 3:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> If you do a hard cost analysis of purchase cost of the EV auto, then add in
>> the hard cost of owning a solar power collection system to feed the EV with
>> energy, then do an actual hard cost per mile used, it raises some real
>> questions about just how economical the EV actually is to own and support,
>> doesn't it?
>> Somewhere along the way, you would need to factor in the expected service
>> life of the EV, the solar system, storage batteries, and other equipment
>> required, like the expected $20,000 + to replace the EV's battery packs in
>> 5 years.
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 12:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
>> > > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
>> > > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power
>> systems.
>> >
>> > To me it's like having a septic system instead of utility sewer service.
>> > I'll do it if there's no better option (and I do have a septic system at
>> my
>> > house) but I'd much rather pay a utility to handle it.
>> >
>> > I'd have to see a much-better-than-break-even proposal to be even
>> slightly
>> > interested in running my own solar panel rig.
>> >
>> > Allan
>> >
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5 years? These are lithium batteries, service life should be 8 at least, more 
with a little care.
Cost per mile on EVs is very competitive with gas cars on fuel alone. Some 
months ago I did the math and a Tesla was something like half my diesel Jetta 
and that was me using pretty pessimistic numbers for the Tesla. Once you add in 
the lack of maintenance on an EV it looks better still. I haven't worked it far 
enough to see if it'll cover battery replacement though.
Curt

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wrote:   If you do a hard cost analysis of purchase cost of the EV auto, then 
add in
the hard cost of owning a solar power collection system to feed the EV with
energy, then do an actual hard cost per mile used, it raises some real
questions about just how economical the EV actually is to own and support,
doesn't it?
Somewhere along the way, you would need to factor in the expected service
life of the EV, the solar system, storage batteries, and other equipment
required, like the expected $20,000 + to replace the EV's battery packs in
5 years.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 12:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
> > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
> > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.
>
> To me it's like having a septic system instead of utility sewer service.
> I'll do it if there's no better option (and I do have a septic system at my
> house) but I'd much rather pay a utility to handle it.
>
> I'd have to see a much-better-than-break-even proposal to be even slightly
> interested in running my own solar panel rig.
>
> Allan
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New England is serviced by only one natural gas pipeline. Our energy prices can 
skyrocket during high demand due to limited supply.
My opinion is that electricity prices aren't going down and anywhere that net 
metering is allowed it makes sense to get solar.
Panel prices continue to fall, 5 years ago when we first put panels on the camp 
I was happy with 100w panels for $100. Now I can get open box 260w for $160. 
I'm debating switching us to 24v and getting 3x 260w panels which will more 
than triple our generating capacity.
Curt

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Mercedes wrote:   It is, sadly. And MA is one of the 
most progressive. Go figure.

-D

On May 27, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Florida is, after all, the most anti-solar state. Foolishness...


Curt

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On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:04 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
 wrote:
In theory an excellent idea, but in practice it can be dodgy. I say that 
because our legislature in Florida was able to get a bill passed that phased 
out net metering for consumers, meaning that if you just sunk $20k-$30k into a 
solar system that in 2-3 years you weren’t going to get paid for the power you 
generate, or if you did, it would be a much lower rate that currently required 
by law.

That payback curve was going to get very, very flat.

Despite the sway that utilities hold over our legislators, our somewhat psycho 
governor saw the light and vetoed the bill. Had he not I think things might 
have gotten quite ugly.

-D

On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:

What you do is run your solar into the grid running your electric meter 
backwards during the day. This let's you essentially use the grid as a big 
battery.
With the right payment structure you can get paid daytime surge rates and only 
pay out night time rates to charge your car.
Long term plans for the northern estate include 3000w of solar.
Curt

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On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:  Putting aside the environmental and international economic and 
security issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the 
idea of a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need 
storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons from solar 
photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process should be on the 
order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.

--FT
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 wrote:

When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions Vehicles".
Mitch.

On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
generated using fossil fuels at present.
So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.



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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

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The trend is to share the space.
"Jack’s Solar Garden is the largest commercially active agrivoltaics system
researching crop and vegetation growth under photovoltaic solar panels in
the United States. The garden generates enough power for more than 300
homes from 3,276 solar panels (6 ft and 8 ft) that create a 1.2-MW
community solar garden. Audubon Rockies , a
regional office of the bird protection society, established their largest
Habitat Hero pollinator habitat in Colorado around the solar array, while a
local nonprofit farming organization, Sprout City Farms
, trains young farmers to cultivate crops
under the solar panels"

https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/2021/future-of-agriculture-combined-with-renewable-energy-finds-success-at-jacks-solar-garden.html

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> On 2022-05-27 13:57, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> > I understand that many European cities are now leasing roof space on
> > commercial buildings [which is otherwise unexploited real estate and
> > installing solar farms in that space, which is, in most cases, tall
> > enough
> > to be above trees and obstructions for a clear solar exposure.]
>
> That beats buying up productive farmland and planting PV panels. My area
> has seen a bit of that in recent years. It's funny to watch the
> complaining from the NIMBY types. Would you rather have them sell the
> farm to developers so you'd have to share the road with 100 new
> neighbors?
>
> To my way of thinking, a PV farm would be the ideal neighbor. They're
> quiet, their methhead offspring don't ransack your garden shed, and they
> don't clog up the local roads.
>
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> other counties' turbine farms.
> Just have to remember not to fly where the turbine blades sweep.
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On 2022-05-27 13:57, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

I understand that many European cities are now leasing roof space on
commercial buildings [which is otherwise unexploited real estate and
installing solar farms in that space, which is, in most cases, tall 
enough

to be above trees and obstructions for a clear solar exposure.]


That beats buying up productive farmland and planting PV panels. My area 
has seen a bit of that in recent years. It's funny to watch the 
complaining from the NIMBY types. Would you rather have them sell the 
farm to developers so you'd have to share the road with 100 new 
neighbors?


To my way of thinking, a PV farm would be the ideal neighbor. They're 
quiet, their methhead offspring don't ransack your garden shed, and they 
don't clog up the local roads.


I think I'll do some aerial videography of Eaton County's PV farms and 
other counties' turbine farms.

Just have to remember not to fly where the turbine blades sweep.

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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

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Somewhere, I saw information suggesting that the battery pack on a Kia 
is warranted for 10 years.
However, I wonder about the details of that warranty and as you have 
pointed out, what the decline is before it is considered replaceable 
under warranty.


Randy

On 27/05/2022 2:33 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

What are they warrantied for?

As I understand it, they don't "expire" they start losing capacity (which 
reduces range) and eventually they will no longer provide a useful range to the owner of 
the vehicle.

It also depends how they are used. If they are run to near-flat and then fully 
recharged, that's harder on the battery life than running them down to say 40% 
and charging back up to say 80% charge (assuming that meets your range 
requirements).


On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

I am not aware that EV battery packs expire in 5 years.  Can you back up
that statement?




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On 2022-05-27 15:33, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

What are they warrantied for?


IIRC, GM warrants them to 65% of advertised capacity. I think this is 
pretty much an industry standard.
How would you like to treat it lovingly for 60 months, have it test out 
at 67%, and end up wishing you'd drove it like you stole it and gotten a 
free battery?


Range is less of a big deal than it was 5-10 years ago, but you 
definitely don't want your daily drive to use more than 50% of capacity, 
or you'll have little or no reserve left when the battery nears the end 
of its service life.


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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

What are they warrantied for?

As I understand it, they don't "expire" they start losing capacity (which 
reduces range) and eventually they will no longer provide a useful range to the 
owner of the vehicle.

It also depends how they are used. If they are run to near-flat and then fully 
recharged, that's harder on the battery life than running them down to say 40% 
and charging back up to say 80% charge (assuming that meets your range 
requirements).


On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> I am not aware that EV battery packs expire in 5 years.  Can you back up
> that statement?
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 3:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
>
>> If you do a hard cost analysis of purchase cost of the EV auto, then add in
>> the hard cost of owning a solar power collection system to feed the EV with
>> energy, then do an actual hard cost per mile used, it raises some real
>> questions about just how economical the EV actually is to own and support,
>> doesn't it?
>> Somewhere along the way, you would need to factor in the expected service
>> life of the EV, the solar system, storage batteries, and other equipment
>> required, like the expected $20,000 + to replace the EV's battery packs in
>> 5 years.
>>
>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 12:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> > > This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
>> > > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
>> > > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power
>> systems.
>> >
>> > To me it's like having a septic system instead of utility sewer service.
>> > I'll do it if there's no better option (and I do have a septic system at
>> my
>> > house) but I'd much rather pay a utility to handle it.
>> >
>> > I'd have to see a much-better-than-break-even proposal to be even
>> slightly
>> > interested in running my own solar panel rig.
>> >
>> > Allan
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I am not aware that EV battery packs expire in 5 years.  Can you back up
that statement?

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 3:15 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> If you do a hard cost analysis of purchase cost of the EV auto, then add in
> the hard cost of owning a solar power collection system to feed the EV with
> energy, then do an actual hard cost per mile used, it raises some real
> questions about just how economical the EV actually is to own and support,
> doesn't it?
> Somewhere along the way, you would need to factor in the expected service
> life of the EV, the solar system, storage batteries, and other equipment
> required, like the expected $20,000 + to replace the EV's battery packs in
> 5 years.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 12:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > > This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
> > > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
> > > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power
> systems.
> >
> > To me it's like having a septic system instead of utility sewer service.
> > I'll do it if there's no better option (and I do have a septic system at
> my
> > house) but I'd much rather pay a utility to handle it.
> >
> > I'd have to see a much-better-than-break-even proposal to be even
> slightly
> > interested in running my own solar panel rig.
> >
> > Allan
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If you do a hard cost analysis of purchase cost of the EV auto, then add in
the hard cost of owning a solar power collection system to feed the EV with
energy, then do an actual hard cost per mile used, it raises some real
questions about just how economical the EV actually is to own and support,
doesn't it?
Somewhere along the way, you would need to factor in the expected service
life of the EV, the solar system, storage batteries, and other equipment
required, like the expected $20,000 + to replace the EV's battery packs in
5 years.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 12:02 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
> > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
> > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.
>
> To me it's like having a septic system instead of utility sewer service.
> I'll do it if there's no better option (and I do have a septic system at my
> house) but I'd much rather pay a utility to handle it.
>
> I'd have to see a much-better-than-break-even proposal to be even slightly
> interested in running my own solar panel rig.
>
> Allan
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Lots of charlatans in the solar biz. You need to check out contractors 
carefully.


On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 12:09 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
> I have a philosophical aversion to making decisions based on tax credits 
> or anything involving gummint "help."
>
> A friend of mine was all excited a few weeks ago about getting solar 
> panels on his roof, tax credits and all that. He is a world-class 
> ecologist and ocean researcher so he is into the environmental aspects 
> of the schemes.  Whatever.  I popped by the other day to pick up 
> something and he was lamenting the whole thing, the contractor (sourced 
> through the electric company) was completely incompetent, etc. so he 
> sent them on their way.  The whole thing is on hold.
>
> Another buddy apparently has a system installed now and is waiting for a 
> Tesla battery to provide some stand-alone capacity in the event of power 
> outage.  I was over there recently but it was dark and I didn't see the 
> install.
>
> I have been thinking once I move to my more rural estate I might do some 
> solar but it would likely require a solar "farm" i.e., free-standing 
> panels on some racks or something because of the layout of the estate.  
> But then I think about a tank of fuel with a generator to run things and 
> that seems a better deal.
>
> --FT
>
> On 5/27/22 12:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes good 
>> financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it doesn’t. 
>> That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>> On May 27, 2022, at 12:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
>>> 1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels, you
>>> would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and install of
>>> the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx, $15,000.
>>> 2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank [insert
>>> cost per sq. ft of house area.]
>>> 3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8 to
>>> $10,000, with cables and racks.
>>> 4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and inverter
>>> to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
>>> Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound so
>>> bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"?
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
 Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security
 issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of
 a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need
 storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons from
 solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process should
 be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.

 --FT
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> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions
 Vehicles".
> Mitch.
>
>> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
>> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
>> generated using fossil fuels at present.
>> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
>> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
>
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How much is an engine?

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> Very clean with all the books and records original window sticker the 
> whole 9 yd. However it needs an engine. The transmission and everything 
> else is good. It is the diesel. Make me an offer or trade?
>
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On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:55 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes 
> good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it 
> doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.

To me it's like having a septic system instead of utility sewer service. I'll 
do it if there's no better option (and I do have a septic system at my house) 
but I'd much rather pay a utility to handle it.

I'd have to see a much-better-than-break-even proposal to be even slightly 
interested in running my own solar panel rig.

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[MBZ] I really wanted to do an LS swap on the vehicle 2006 Mercedes-Benz cls-class, $4, 500

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I could take the car to the junkyard and get more than $3,000 (or close 
to it) just for the catalytic converters alone on the car, so please 
don't contact me with any crazy lowball prices and, WHATEVER YOU DO... 
DON'T ASK ME IF THE CAR IS STILL AVAILABLE.


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[MBZ] However it needs an engine. 2009 Mercedes-Benz e-class E 320 BLUETEC Sedan 4D, $4, 000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Very clean with all the books and records original window sticker the 
whole 9 yd. However it needs an engine. The transmission and everything 
else is good. It is the diesel. Make me an offer or trade?


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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I understand that many European cities are now leasing roof space on
commercial buildings [which is otherwise unexploited real estate and
installing solar farms in that space, which is, in most cases, tall enough
to be above trees and obstructions for a clear solar exposure.]
There may be some tax relief or rebate to the building owners, in such a
scheme. I am not privy to the exact details, only that it is being done
with significant success in reduction of power plant load.


On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:48 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That always intrigued me.  I have enough sun to support dozens of panels
> but if not, community would be the way to go.
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 1:46 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I just joined a solar co-op in Flagstaff that is starting up. I don’t
> > expect to follow through with a system, as the volume of 80’-100’
> Ponderosa
> > pines on our lot limit the amount of sunlight we would get throughout the
> > day.
> >
> > That being said, I at least want to get an idea if it’s remotely viable.
> > AZ is very solar friendly, so it might be that it could make sense there
> as
> > compared to FL.
> >
> > The co-op approach gets a a bunch of potential users together who obtain
> > quotes from and get qualified suppliers and contractors who will do the
> > work for a negotiated price. It works well in eliminating the
> difficulties
> > of finding a contractor and vetting them as well as helping to establish
> a
> > competitive cost for materials and labor.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On May 27, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a philosophical aversion to making decisions based on tax
> > credits or anything involving gummint "help."
> > >
> > > A friend of mine was all excited a few weeks ago about getting solar
> > panels on his roof, tax credits and all that. He is a world-class
> ecologist
> > and ocean researcher so he is into the environmental aspects of the
> > schemes.  Whatever.  I popped by the other day to pick up something and
> he
> > was lamenting the whole thing, the contractor (sourced through the
> electric
> > company) was completely incompetent, etc. so he sent them on their way.
> > The whole thing is on hold.
> > >
> > > Another buddy apparently has a system installed now and is waiting for
> a
> > Tesla battery to provide some stand-alone capacity in the event of power
> > outage.  I was over there recently but it was dark and I didn't see the
> > install.
> > >
> > > I have been thinking once I move to my more rural estate I might do
> some
> > solar but it would likely require a solar "farm" i.e., free-standing
> panels
> > on some racks or something because of the layout of the estate.  But
> then I
> > think about a tank of fuel with a generator to run things and that seems
> a
> > better deal.
> > >
> > > --FT
> > >
> > >> On 5/27/22 12:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > >> This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
> > good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
> > doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> >  On May 27, 2022, at 12:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes<
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
> > >>> 1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels,
> > you
> > >>> would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and
> > install of
> > >>> the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx,
> > $15,000.
> > >>> 2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank
> > [insert
> > >>> cost per sq. ft of house area.]
> > >>> 3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated
> $8
> > to
> > >>> $10,000, with cables and racks.
> > >>> 4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and
> > inverter
> > >>> to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
> > >>> Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel
> sound
> > so
> > >>> bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an
> EV"?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Putting aside the environmental and international economic and
> > security
> >  issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the
> > idea of
> >  a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need
> >  storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons
> > from
> >  solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process
> > should
> >  be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.
> > 
> >  --FT
> >  Sent from iFōn
> > 
> > > On May 27, 

Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That always intrigued me.  I have enough sun to support dozens of panels
but if not, community would be the way to go.

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 1:46 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I just joined a solar co-op in Flagstaff that is starting up. I don’t
> expect to follow through with a system, as the volume of 80’-100’ Ponderosa
> pines on our lot limit the amount of sunlight we would get throughout the
> day.
>
> That being said, I at least want to get an idea if it’s remotely viable.
> AZ is very solar friendly, so it might be that it could make sense there as
> compared to FL.
>
> The co-op approach gets a a bunch of potential users together who obtain
> quotes from and get qualified suppliers and contractors who will do the
> work for a negotiated price. It works well in eliminating the difficulties
> of finding a contractor and vetting them as well as helping to establish a
> competitive cost for materials and labor.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 27, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a philosophical aversion to making decisions based on tax
> credits or anything involving gummint "help."
> >
> > A friend of mine was all excited a few weeks ago about getting solar
> panels on his roof, tax credits and all that. He is a world-class ecologist
> and ocean researcher so he is into the environmental aspects of the
> schemes.  Whatever.  I popped by the other day to pick up something and he
> was lamenting the whole thing, the contractor (sourced through the electric
> company) was completely incompetent, etc. so he sent them on their way.
> The whole thing is on hold.
> >
> > Another buddy apparently has a system installed now and is waiting for a
> Tesla battery to provide some stand-alone capacity in the event of power
> outage.  I was over there recently but it was dark and I didn't see the
> install.
> >
> > I have been thinking once I move to my more rural estate I might do some
> solar but it would likely require a solar "farm" i.e., free-standing panels
> on some racks or something because of the layout of the estate.  But then I
> think about a tank of fuel with a generator to run things and that seems a
> better deal.
> >
> > --FT
> >
> >> On 5/27/22 12:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes
> good financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it
> doesn’t. That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
>  On May 27, 2022, at 12:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
> >>> 1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels,
> you
> >>> would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and
> install of
> >>> the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx,
> $15,000.
> >>> 2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank
> [insert
> >>> cost per sq. ft of house area.]
> >>> 3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8
> to
> >>> $10,000, with cables and racks.
> >>> 4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and
> inverter
> >>> to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
> >>> Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound
> so
> >>> bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"?
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  Putting aside the environmental and international economic and
> security
>  issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the
> idea of
>  a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need
>  storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons
> from
>  solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process
> should
>  be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.
> 
>  --FT
>  Sent from iFōn
> 
> > On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions
>  Vehicles".
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
> >> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s
> likely
> >> generated using fossil fuels at present.
> >> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process,
> just
> >> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
> >
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[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

It is, sadly. And MA is one of the most progressive. Go figure.

-D

On May 27, 2022, at 1:21 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Florida is, after all, the most anti-solar state. Foolishness...


Curt

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On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:04 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes
 wrote:
In theory an excellent idea, but in practice it can be dodgy. I say that 
because our legislature in Florida was able to get a bill passed that phased 
out net metering for consumers, meaning that if you just sunk $20k-$30k into a 
solar system that in 2-3 years you weren’t going to get paid for the power you 
generate, or if you did, it would be a much lower rate that currently required 
by law.

That payback curve was going to get very, very flat.

Despite the sway that utilities hold over our legislators, our somewhat psycho 
governor saw the light and vetoed the bill. Had he not I think things might 
have gotten quite ugly.

-D

On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:

What you do is run your solar into the grid running your electric meter 
backwards during the day. This let's you essentially use the grid as a big 
battery.
With the right payment structure you can get paid daytime surge rates and only 
pay out night time rates to charge your car.
Long term plans for the northern estate include 3000w of solar.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:  Putting aside the environmental and international economic and 
security issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the 
idea of a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need 
storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons from solar 
photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process should be on the 
order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.

--FT
Sent from iFōn

On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>>
 wrote:

When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions Vehicles".
Mitch.

On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
generated using fossil fuels at present.
So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.



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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I just joined a solar co-op in Flagstaff that is starting up. I don’t expect to 
follow through with a system, as the volume of 80’-100’ Ponderosa pines on our 
lot limit the amount of sunlight we would get throughout the day.

That being said, I at least want to get an idea if it’s remotely viable. AZ is 
very solar friendly, so it might be that it could make sense there as compared 
to FL.

The co-op approach gets a a bunch of potential users together who obtain quotes 
from and get qualified suppliers and contractors who will do the work for a 
negotiated price. It works well in eliminating the difficulties of finding a 
contractor and vetting them as well as helping to establish a competitive cost 
for materials and labor.

-D

> On May 27, 2022, at 1:10 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a philosophical aversion to making decisions based on tax credits or 
> anything involving gummint "help."
> 
> A friend of mine was all excited a few weeks ago about getting solar panels 
> on his roof, tax credits and all that. He is a world-class ecologist and 
> ocean researcher so he is into the environmental aspects of the schemes.  
> Whatever.  I popped by the other day to pick up something and he was 
> lamenting the whole thing, the contractor (sourced through the electric 
> company) was completely incompetent, etc. so he sent them on their way.  The 
> whole thing is on hold.
> 
> Another buddy apparently has a system installed now and is waiting for a 
> Tesla battery to provide some stand-alone capacity in the event of power 
> outage.  I was over there recently but it was dark and I didn't see the 
> install.
> 
> I have been thinking once I move to my more rural estate I might do some 
> solar but it would likely require a solar "farm" i.e., free-standing panels 
> on some racks or something because of the layout of the estate.  But then I 
> think about a tank of fuel with a generator to run things and that seems a 
> better deal.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 5/27/22 12:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes good 
>> financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it doesn’t. 
>> That’s whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
 On May 27, 2022, at 12:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
>>> 1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels, you
>>> would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and install of
>>> the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx, $15,000.
>>> 2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank [insert
>>> cost per sq. ft of house area.]
>>> 3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8 to
>>> $10,000, with cables and racks.
>>> 4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and inverter
>>> to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
>>> Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound so
>>> bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security
 issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of
 a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need
 storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons from
 solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process should
 be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iFōn
 
> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions
 Vehicles".
> Mitch.
> 
>> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
>> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
>> generated using fossil fuels at present.
>> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
>> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
> 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Florida is, after all, the most anti-solar state. Foolishness...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 11:04 AM, dan penoff.com via 
Mercedes wrote:   In theory an excellent idea, but in 
practice it can be dodgy. I say that because our legislature in Florida was 
able to get a bill passed that phased out net metering for consumers, meaning 
that if you just sunk $20k-$30k into a solar system that in 2-3 years you 
weren’t going to get paid for the power you generate, or if you did, it would 
be a much lower rate that currently required by law.

That payback curve was going to get very, very flat.

Despite the sway that utilities hold over our legislators, our somewhat psycho 
governor saw the light and vetoed the bill. Had he not I think things might 
have gotten quite ugly.

-D

On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

What you do is run your solar into the grid running your electric meter 
backwards during the day. This let's you essentially use the grid as a big 
battery.
With the right payment structure you can get paid daytime surge rates and only 
pay out night time rates to charge your car.
Long term plans for the northern estate include 3000w of solar.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

 On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  Putting 
aside the environmental and international economic and security issues 
associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of a garage 
with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need storage batteries 
in your garage to collect and store the electrons from solar photons so you can 
charge your car at night. The whole process should be on the order of maybe 8% 
efficient if you’re lucky.

--FT
Sent from iFōn

On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions Vehicles".
Mitch.

On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
generated using fossil fuels at present.
So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.



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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah, I should read all my email before I reply.
I should hope you don't need to oil bearings on a new fan, that wouldn't bode 
well...
Curt

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  On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:56 AM, Allan Streib wrote:   
#yiv4242388233 p.yiv4242388233MsoNormal, #yiv4242388233 
p.yiv4242388233MsoNoSpacing{margin:0;}I mentioned in a followup, I replaced the 
fan motor at the same time. I did not oil the bearings on the new motor, though 
I cannot imagine that would be necessary?


On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 10:46 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Did you oil the motor bearings? Could be these resistors fail for a reason...

Curt

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On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 3:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
 wrote:
Back in January I replaced the blower motor resistor on the XC90 after the 
blower suddenly stopped working. That fixed the problem, but already it has 
apparently failed again.

FCP Euro has the Genuine Volvo part for about 3x the price of the Mahle/Behr 
part. They are willing to accept a return on the part I bought and credit it 
towards the Genuine part. I'm just wondering if that will likely be any better, 
or if it's just paying for the brand name Volvo on the box?

I thought Mahle was pretty much OE quality stuff, but maybe they aren't 
anymore? Anyone know?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

On 2022-05-27 13:09, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:


Another buddy apparently has a system installed now and is waiting for
a Tesla battery to provide some stand-alone capacity in the event of
power outage.  I was over there recently but it was dark and I didn't
see the install.


I did some research and managed to come up with an IRS opinion letter 
which stated that the battery was part of the total solar install and 
could be included in the cost for the federal energy credit. A client 
paid over $40k for a total bells and whistles system last year. He's 
retired and won't be paying federal income tax for a few years.


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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I have a philosophical aversion to making decisions based on tax credits 
or anything involving gummint "help."


A friend of mine was all excited a few weeks ago about getting solar 
panels on his roof, tax credits and all that. He is a world-class 
ecologist and ocean researcher so he is into the environmental aspects 
of the schemes.  Whatever.  I popped by the other day to pick up 
something and he was lamenting the whole thing, the contractor (sourced 
through the electric company) was completely incompetent, etc. so he 
sent them on their way.  The whole thing is on hold.


Another buddy apparently has a system installed now and is waiting for a 
Tesla battery to provide some stand-alone capacity in the event of power 
outage.  I was over there recently but it was dark and I didn't see the 
install.


I have been thinking once I move to my more rural estate I might do some 
solar but it would likely require a solar "farm" i.e., free-standing 
panels on some racks or something because of the layout of the estate.  
But then I think about a tank of fuel with a generator to run things and 
that seems a better deal.


--FT

On 5/27/22 12:55 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes good 
financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it doesn’t. That’s 
whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.

-D


On May 27, 2022, at 12:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  wrote:

In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels, you
would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and install of
the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx, $15,000.
2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank [insert
cost per sq. ft of house area.]
3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8 to
$10,000, with cables and racks.
4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and inverter
to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound so
bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"?

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security
issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of
a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need
storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons from
solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process should
be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.

--FT
Sent from iFōn


On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions

Vehicles".

Mitch.


On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
generated using fossil fuels at present.
So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.



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[MBZ] 2007 ML350 - 153k miles - $4,500

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Looks fairly nice, would need to check the VIN/Engine serial number wrt balance 
shaft issues.

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On 2022-05-27 12:51, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels, 
you
would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and 
install of
the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx, 
$15,000.
2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank 
[insert

cost per sq. ft of house area.]
3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8 
to

$10,000, with cables and racks.
4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and 
inverter

to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound 
so

bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"?


I remember, maybe 15-20 years ago, an article in HomePower magazine 
attempting to financially justify $5-10/kW solar. In essence, it said 
that as an alternative to buying a $40k SUV you didn't need and 
polluting the planet, you could buy a $40k solar system you didn't need 
and avoid pollution. Not buying the SUV or the solar system was not 
presented as a competing scenario.


About 6 years ago I saw some open box 330W Trina panels for something 
like $125ea, about 100 miles away in Indiana. And it was a minimum of 6 
months between then and the earliest that Consumers Power could hope to 
get net metering out of their state approved fee structure. I thought 
about it, I really did. Could have combined the solar installation with 
a roof replacement. But, the neighboring property has some big trees to 
the east of me that kill my morning sun, including a huge white pine 
that touches my garage roof. Unless I want to play the 'gee, looks like 
your trees are dying, how did that happen? game, I'd lose at least a 
third of my potential output.


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"check engine light on"

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This is my position. I’m more than wiling to “go green” if it makes good 
financial sense. At present and for the foreseeable future, it doesn’t. That’s 
whether it pertains to cars or stationary power systems.

-D

> On May 27, 2022, at 12:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
> 1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels, you
> would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and install of
> the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx, $15,000.
> 2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank [insert
> cost per sq. ft of house area.]
> 3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8 to
> $10,000, with cables and racks.
> 4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and inverter
> to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
> Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound so
> bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"?
> 
> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security
>> issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of
>> a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need
>> storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons from
>> solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process should
>> be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>>> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions
>> Vehicles".
>>> Mitch.
>>> 
 On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
 And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
 to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
 generated using fossil fuels at present.
 So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
 not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
>>> 
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In the interest of a reality check on that thought, consider this.
1. Since you would not be able to do a grid tie to the solar panels, you
would not receive any government matching funds for purchase and install of
the solar rack. Your cost for a 10KW solar array would be, approx, $15,000.
2. You then need an enclosed and vented space for a battery bank [insert
cost per sq. ft of house area.]
3. You then need to purchase and maintain a battery bank. Estimated $8 to
$10,000, with cables and racks.
4. Now, a solar controller, to control battery bank charging and inverter
to control car charging. Estimate, $8 to $10,000 for that equipment.
Which gives rise to the question: "Does $8 per gallon for diesel sound so
bad in comparison, or are you truly committed to "Go Green via an EV"?

On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 7:20 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security
> issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of
> a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need
> storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons from
> solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole process should
> be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions
> Vehicles".
> > Mitch.
> >
> >> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> >> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
> >> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
> >> generated using fossil fuels at present.
> >> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
> >> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
> >
> >
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Seely Moose, is SQVIRREL supposed to fly!  Hoo-boy!

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> Surprisingly little damage to the Jeep, but replacing an A pillar is
> serious structural work, so probably totaled.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fE0YhEFvx4
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

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On 27/05/2022 9:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes wrote:

Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security issues 
associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of a garage 
with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need storage batteries 
in your garage to collect and store the electrons from solar photons so you can 
charge your car at night. The whole process should be on the order of maybe 8% 
efficient if you’re lucky.

--FT


Given the cost of solar panels, controllers and storage batteries etc., 
plus the electric car, it is likely less expensive to continue the 
purchase of gasoline or diesel for the foreseeable future.


I wonder, if you install the solar system, suggested above, if it would 
enhance the value of your property to the point where you would profit 
rather than lose money if you sold the home?


I have to admit that I would like to experiment a bit with solar but I 
don't really need it and I am not certain what I would use it for or 
what I would gain it I did. Unlike Curt, we have electric power at the 
cottage and although it tends to be a bit expensive, it would take an 
expensive system to replace it.


I guess I could use it to feed outdoor lighting in the yard but LED 
lights don't use a lot of power so it would likely take a long while to 
break even.


Randy


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On 2022-05-27 11:44, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Always a worry if you're depending on credits, tax rebates, etc. to
make a long-term financial justification for something. Those can
disappear at the whims of the legislature.


When Michigan repealed the net metering law 3-4 years ago, the utilities 
were doing ten year contracts, so you just had to get your contract 
signed before the new rate policies were approved (a long regulatory 
process) and you'd get ten years of net metering. Then you just had to 
make sure your payback was under ten years.


Looks like we might end up needing all the locally produced afternoon 
kWs we can get this summer.


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The credits and tax rebates are provided up front, so if they’re present when 
you do the work, you’re good. It’s the ongoing stuff like net metering that you 
could lose out on, and in the case of solar, this is the primary benefit that 
provides a reasonable payback.

Here’s one close to home:

Indiana offers a property tax credit for homeowners who install geothermal 
heating systems. I don’t recall what it was, but it was a decent chunk of 
money. When we lived there in 2008-10 we seriously considered a geothermal 
system for the house, and that was one of the perks. Total cost was around 
$18k, and I think between state and Federal credits and rebates our out of 
pocket would have been around $11k. And those were all things that were 
provided up front at the time of installation.

-D

> On May 27, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Always a worry if you're depending on credits, tax rebates, etc. to make a 
> long-term financial justification for something. Those can disappear at the 
> whims of the legislature.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:04 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> In theory an excellent idea, but in practice it can be dodgy. I say 
>> that because our legislature in Florida was able to get a bill passed 
>> that phased out net metering for consumers, meaning that if you just 
>> sunk $20k-$30k into a solar system that in 2-3 years you weren’t going 
>> to get paid for the power you generate, or if you did, it would be a 
>> much lower rate that currently required by law.
>> 
>> That payback curve was going to get very, very flat.
>> 
>> Despite the sway that utilities hold over our legislators, our somewhat 
>> psycho governor saw the light and vetoed the bill. Had he not I think 
>> things might have gotten quite ugly.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> What you do is run your solar into the grid running your electric meter 
>> backwards during the day. This let's you essentially use the grid as a 
>> big battery.
>> With the right payment structure you can get paid daytime surge rates 
>> and only pay out night time rates to charge your car.
>> Long term plans for the northern estate include 3000w of solar.
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>> On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
>> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   
>> Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security 
>> issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea 
>> of a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need 
>> storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons 
>> from solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole 
>> process should be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iFōn
>> 
>> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions 
>> Vehicles".
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
>> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
>> generated using fossil fuels at present.
>> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
>> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
>> 
>> 
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[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Always a worry if you're depending on credits, tax rebates, etc. to make a 
long-term financial justification for something. Those can disappear at the 
whims of the legislature.


On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 11:04 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> In theory an excellent idea, but in practice it can be dodgy. I say 
> that because our legislature in Florida was able to get a bill passed 
> that phased out net metering for consumers, meaning that if you just 
> sunk $20k-$30k into a solar system that in 2-3 years you weren’t going 
> to get paid for the power you generate, or if you did, it would be a 
> much lower rate that currently required by law.
>
> That payback curve was going to get very, very flat.
>
> Despite the sway that utilities hold over our legislators, our somewhat 
> psycho governor saw the light and vetoed the bill. Had he not I think 
> things might have gotten quite ugly.
>
> -D
>
> On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> What you do is run your solar into the grid running your electric meter 
> backwards during the day. This let's you essentially use the grid as a 
> big battery.
> With the right payment structure you can get paid daytime surge rates 
> and only pay out night time rates to charge your car.
> Long term plans for the northern estate include 3000w of solar.
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>  On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   
> Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security 
> issues associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea 
> of a garage with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need 
> storage batteries in your garage to collect and store the electrons 
> from solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole 
> process should be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions 
> Vehicles".
> Mitch.
>
> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
> generated using fossil fuels at present.
> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
>
>
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In theory an excellent idea, but in practice it can be dodgy. I say that 
because our legislature in Florida was able to get a bill passed that phased 
out net metering for consumers, meaning that if you just sunk $20k-$30k into a 
solar system that in 2-3 years you weren’t going to get paid for the power you 
generate, or if you did, it would be a much lower rate that currently required 
by law.

That payback curve was going to get very, very flat.

Despite the sway that utilities hold over our legislators, our somewhat psycho 
governor saw the light and vetoed the bill. Had he not I think things might 
have gotten quite ugly.

-D

On May 27, 2022, at 10:56 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

What you do is run your solar into the grid running your electric meter 
backwards during the day. This let's you essentially use the grid as a big 
battery.
With the right payment structure you can get paid daytime surge rates and only 
pay out night time rates to charge your car.
Long term plans for the northern estate include 3000w of solar.
Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

 On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   Putting 
aside the environmental and international economic and security issues 
associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of a garage 
with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need storage batteries 
in your garage to collect and store the electrons from solar photons so you can 
charge your car at night. The whole process should be on the order of maybe 8% 
efficient if you’re lucky.

--FT
Sent from iFōn

On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions Vehicles".
Mitch.

On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
generated using fossil fuels at present.
So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.



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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

What you do is run your solar into the grid running your electric meter 
backwards during the day. This let's you essentially use the grid as a big 
battery.
With the right payment structure you can get paid daytime surge rates and only 
pay out night time rates to charge your car.
Long term plans for the northern estate include 3000w of solar.
Curt

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  On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:20 AM, Buggered Benzmail via 
Mercedes wrote:   Putting aside the environmental and 
international economic and security issues associated with lithium batteries 
and PV panels, I like the idea of a garage with PV panels to charge your car. 
Of course you would need storage batteries in your garage to collect and store 
the electrons from solar photons so you can charge your car at night. The whole 
process should be on the order of maybe 8% efficient if you’re lucky.  

--FT
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> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions 
> Vehicles".
> Mitch.
> 
>> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
>> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
>> generated using fossil fuels at present.
>> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
>> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I mentioned in a followup, I replaced the fan motor at the same time. I did not 
oil the bearings on the new motor, though I cannot imagine that would be 
necessary?


On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 10:46 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> Did you oil the motor bearings? Could be these resistors fail for a reason...
> 
> Curt
> 
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> 
>> On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 3:20 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> Back in January I replaced the blower motor resistor on the XC90 after the 
>> blower suddenly stopped working. That fixed the problem, but already it has 
>> apparently failed again.
>> 
>> FCP Euro has the Genuine Volvo part for about 3x the price of the Mahle/Behr 
>> part. They are willing to accept a return on the part I bought and credit it 
>> towards the Genuine part. I'm just wondering if that will likely be any 
>> better, or if it's just paying for the brand name Volvo on the box?
>> 
>> I thought Mahle was pretty much OE quality stuff, but maybe they aren't 
>> anymore? Anyone know?
>> 
>> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Are Mahle/Behr parts still considered good?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Did you oil the motor bearings? Could be these resistors fail for a reason...
Curt

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  On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 3:20 PM, Allan Streib via 
Mercedes wrote:   Back in January I replaced the blower 
motor resistor on the XC90 after the blower suddenly stopped working. That 
fixed the problem, but already it has apparently failed again.

FCP Euro has the Genuine Volvo part for about 3x the price of the Mahle/Behr 
part. They are willing to accept a return on the part I bought and credit it 
towards the Genuine part. I'm just wondering if that will likely be any better, 
or if it's just paying for the brand name Volvo on the box?

I thought Mahle was pretty much OE quality stuff, but maybe they aren't 
anymore? Anyone know?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Snook's Next Diesel

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

That or they took it off to head off questions about Black Death.

-D

> On May 27, 2022, at 10:19 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Engine cover missing? The better to keep an eye on the injectors?
> 
> On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 9:39 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> This is what Donald needs - forget the W124s:
>> 
>> https://thembmarket.com/19k-mile-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Putting aside the environmental and international economic and security issues 
associated with lithium batteries and PV panels, I like the idea of a garage 
with PV panels to charge your car. Of course you would need storage batteries 
in your garage to collect and store the electrons from solar photons so you can 
charge your car at night. The whole process should be on the order of maybe 8% 
efficient if you’re lucky.  

--FT
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> On May 27, 2022, at 4:31 AM, mitch--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions 
> Vehicles".
> Mitch.
> 
>> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
>> And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
>> to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
>> generated using fossil fuels at present.
>> So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
>> not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Snook's Next Diesel

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Engine cover missing? The better to keep an eye on the injectors?

On Fri, May 27, 2022, at 9:39 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> This is what Donald needs - forget the W124s:
>
> https://thembmarket.com/19k-mile-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Snook's Next Diesel

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

That is nice. Wonder what it will go for. $12k?

--FT
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> On May 27, 2022, at 9:40 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is what Donald needs - forget the W124s:
> 
> https://thembmarket.com/19k-mile-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi
> 
> -D
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[MBZ] Snook's Next Diesel

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

This is what Donald needs - forget the W124s:

https://thembmarket.com/19k-mile-2005-mercedes-benz-e320-cdi

-D
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Re: [MBZ] MB diesel education and advice

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

As they say, the perfect is the enemy of the good.

On Fri, May 27, 2022, 4:31 AM mitch--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> When I first heard of ZEVs, I thought "Oh, you mean Remote Emissions
> Vehicles".
> Mitch.
>
> On 2022-05-26 17:24, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> > And I don’t want to start the back and forth up, but the electricity
> > to charge those batteries has to come from somewhere, and it’s likely
> > generated using fossil fuels at present.
> >
> > So the emissions are going to come from somewhere in the process, just
> > not from a tailpipe on the car in this case.
>
>
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[MBZ] Mooseday

[mitch--- via Mercedes]

Surprisingly little damage to the Jeep, but replacing an A pillar is 
serious structural work, so probably totaled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fE0YhEFvx4
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