[MBZ] Undercover - A car cover
All, I have had some conversations with a few people locally and I am doing some online research. My current Estate Wagon is going to get replaced. I didn't address the rust in time (lesson painfully learned), but I got 12 good years of use out of it and it never let me down at the time I needed it most. I love my 123. That being said, I am on the hunt for another vehicle. This time, I am looking at convertibles and a 2nd "runaround" vehicle for daily use. This new one will only get driven occasionally. And certainly not in the snow, and it a week of rain is predicted, not then either. My property doesn't have a garage but it does have a good-sized driveway. The questions: 1. Who uses a car cover, what brand, and how has it worked out for you? I have heard moisture can build up under some of them during long-term storage 1. What defines "long-term?" Winter? December - March? I would think anything over 6 months would be long-term. And winter I would think would be better than summer long-term. 1. Has anyone had experience with portable garages? Carports only offer direct overhead protection, not blowing rain and snow so someone suggested a portable garage (not connected to the house) 2. What type/brand of wax or ceramic coatings are best to use? Some have said that the seams on the underside have left fine scratches on the car body. Thanks! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] we are negotiable - 1984 300TD - 196k miles - $21,900
I have always liked the look of the bundts. From: Mercedes on behalf of dan penoff.com via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2024 6:22 PM To: Okie Benz Cc: dan penoff.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] we are negotiable - 1984 300TD - 196k miles - $21,900 The chrome wheel arches are an abomination on any car and also hasten infection with the tinworm. I can’t count the number of W126s I’ve seen over the years where all it took to start rust occurring with these things on the car was the little screws they used to self-drill into the fender lip. I’m not a fan of the 8-hole wheels on W123s, but with the limited choices of wheel sizes for these cars, especially 15” versions, I would consider it for just that reason. I’ve owned a W123 with stock 15” steel wheels, and it was a totally different car to drive compared to the 14” stock wheels. I completely agree that they should be bundts (yuck!) or steelies with color-keyed wheel covers, the classiest looking setup I've ever seen on any car trying to coordinate wheel colors with the body color scheme. -D > On Jul 10, 2024, at 10:41 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think the chrome wheels and arches are are ugly and wrong, the W123 needs > to have Bundts or hubcaps. But I guess not many of these left. Aftermarket > radio. > > https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/bellevue-mercedes-benz-300td-wagon/7764790175.html > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] we are negotiable - 1984 300TD - 196k miles - $21,900
I hope I am responding correctly. I have not been here for a long time. My 300D got totaled in a storm and I replaced it with a 300TD Estate Wagon. I agree, well almost: The chromed arches invite rust (holes in the metal) I have seen a couple (560 SL that also had the same chrome rims) that don't look so bad, just not on this model IF one is going to have them, the rims need to be chrome as well. Nothing worse than just having them by themselves. They just scream for attention. The old M100's 600 SEL had them, and because the line of the chrome wrapped around the entire car including the rocker panel and the bumpers and the trim around the windows, it looks complete to me. Otherwise, it is a nice-looking vehicle...not my color favorite though... From: Mercedes on behalf of Allan Streib via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2024 1:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Cc: Allan Streib Subject: [MBZ] we are negotiable - 1984 300TD - 196k miles - $21,900 I think the chrome wheels and arches are are ugly and wrong, the W123 needs to have Bundts or hubcaps. But I guess not many of these left. Aftermarket radio. https://cleveland.craigslist.org/cto/d/bellevue-mercedes-benz-300td-wagon/7764790175.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frozen lock syndrome - 1983 3000TD
Andrew, I have have the same issue. Cupping your hand, taking a few deep breaths and blowing warm air into the lock has worked for me every time. Other than that, a small piece of tissue twisted and inserted keeps the cold out. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frozen lock syndrome - 1983 3000TD From: clay redgh...@comcast.net Date: Thu, March 27, 2014 3:05 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Why not use the old fashioned method of heating the key with a flame and inserting it in the lock? On Mar 27, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: There must be moisture in it that's freezing. You need to get it completely dried out and lubed. Taking the door handle off is really easy. You could take it inside and clean it out. Dan On Mar 27, 2014, at 10:11 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I am getting sick and tired of lugging a pot of hot water outside when the temperature dips below freezing. How do I fix a chronic situation where the driver's door lock freezes up on my W123 300TD? Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 300TD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Frozen lock syndrome - 1983 3000TD
Curt, I was told that one needs an entire new lock and handle... Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Frozen lock syndrome - 1983 3000TD From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 9:26 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Actually re-keying these is simplicity itself. The cylinder has little brass wafers in it that the key passes through. All you'd need is a new cylinder and its no big deal to transfer the wafers from one to another. Perhaps I should make a video for the you tubes. Some of my how to videos make me decent money. -Curt Money from utube? how's that work? money from what/who? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Perspective
Dieselhead, thanks, that was awesome! - Original Message - From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 12:01 AM Subject: [MBZ] OT: Perspective Ever look at a common thing with new eyes from a different view? Perspective on perspective January 23, 2014 at 2:55pm After a day of fine, dry snow and the horrendous wind gusts to blow it around, the park was empty of walkers as I stood on the banks of the Mississippi and observed the texture of its frozen waters. Any slightly raised surface had captured a tuft of snow as the wind carved across the ice. With the light coming from the side, each tiny snowy hillock was illuminated as a white dot or curve marking the surface topography against the gray of the ice. I stood silently taking it in before I realized that today I had remembered to bring my camera with me. I went to work trying capture the scene. A tripod would be best. Any serious photographer would use one in this circumstance. I even had one in the car. Be prepared was the motto. I decided against being a serious photographer and instead made my way down the snow-covered riprap to the icy surface of one of the natural wonders of the world. We don't often think of the river in those terms. Indeed, most of us don't think of the river period unless it is either in our way or up to our back door. Still, we live within a stone's throw of one of the great rivers of the world. It is a rare pleasure (for me, at least) to be able to stand on its surface. I'm literally walking on water. Gingerly. I examined the ice beneath my feet, noting the trapped air bubbles, patterns of lines and cracks. I take a photo, again missing the tripod and softly cursing my unwillingness to grab another cold piece of metal. I muse that no matter what sounds and noises are in the air, a vast expanse of solid ice seems to symbolize silence. The wind howls past my ears, but the ice regards me with a frigid silence-waiting perhaps for a misplaced step or a moment of inattention. I imagine the sound my head might make crashing into the ice, a sickening meeting of the biological and the elemental. I mind my step. My mind begins dialectic on the qualities of ice, while my eyes scan the seemingly uniform surface that extends toward the main channel. I venture further out, considering, as I go, the similarities between ice, water, sand, and soil. They can all protect and preserve or utterly destroy the same item. Ice can entomb. Mammoths, man, or mullets, it makes no difference. All movements cease and the particular silence that is ice predominates. However well preserved the specimen is once freed from its frosty crystalline tomb, the silence has forever altered things. Standing on the river, my perspective is altered. I'm seeing a familiar world in a new way. I'm still perfectly safe, but I feel less safe. Is that it? Perhaps I feel new and am reading it as less safe. I like it. I'm dressed for the weather, although still cold, and am eyeing the ice longingly. I look around to check for people who might be alarmed at the sight of a body stretched out on the Mississippi river ice. Seeing none, I lower myself carefully onto the ice, hindered by the camera around my neck. The difference in perspective is immediate and dramatic. While keeping the exposed skin of my face away from the surface, I release the rest of my body to the frozen river. My mind explodes with imagery. My new perspective puts me into a series of bodies. My view of the bank is exactly the same as the gulls I've photographed from land. I see myself through the gull's eyes, my camera lens centered in the dark window of my car. Other gulls, some throwing their heads back and shrieking surround me. My mind transports me through a series of creatures I've seen or photographed and who saw me from roughly this same perspective-ring-neck ducks, Canada geese, muskrats, pelicans, carp, catfish, and northern water snakes. The cold is starting to sink into the bones of my legs. The shore looks different from down here. From this vantage point I understand why the river cat liked to hunt the riprap. I named her the river cat because that is where I always saw her. She knew this stretch of rocks like the back of her paw. She hunted deliberately, with no wasted motion. The last time I saw the river cat she had a single kitten in tow. Tired of holding my head up, I rest it on my folded arm. Feeling my body pressing against the ice, I inhabit the body of a leopard seal, having hauled myself onto an ice floe to hunt juvenile penguins. I search the ice for bears but seeing none, I close my eyes and bask in the winter sun. My shivering body pulls me back to reality and I slowly work my way to my feet. I cross the ice and scramble up the snow-covered rocks and fall gratefully into my car. I start the engine and crank up the heater. As I warm up, I
Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is
I like the early fins and all the chrome moulding which I have seen on one black sedan. Black is the only color I would have. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is it just me...yes it is From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Date: Thu, January 23, 2014 4:14 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com The fins are the same as on the '57 Chevy, Caddy, etc. - pure cosmetic appeal to the masses of the time. I find them ugly and not functional - same as the swept back tails on the Cessna's starting in 1960. Hate them. On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: The 112, with the rounded over fins are beautiful cars. The 110/111 fins may not be endearing, but ahead of the fins, they are a beautiful car. If you don't mind the fins, the rear view of a 220S/230S/SE is very attractive. The early 110s with the trapezoidal tail lights look like they are winking at you. The 200/200D/230 tail lights make a good looking rear view. -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Upgrading sound in the 123 -Wagon/Sedan/Coupe
OK, thanks Greg. - Original Message - From: Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Upgrading sound in the 123 -Wagon/Sedan/Coupe I think the simplest and easiest is one that has a USB port for a geekstick. You use MP3 files. I just installed a GROM in the wife's 2003 Jetta with Monsoon radio. It plugged into the cable for the CD changer, accepts a geekstick and plays the directories on the stick as if they were discs. Easy-peasy. Or, if the receiver has Bluetooth you can connect a phone or BT enabled tablet. The GROM I installed also has BT, which will give SWMBO the ability to stream Sirius or other internet radio from her phone. Crutchfield is a good place to start looking. Be advised that any modern radio will have too much power to allow the rear speakers to be controlled by the wheel in the console. That must be rewired to bypass the wheel. I was able to find correct sized good quality replacement speakers for the rear pair for a '79 300TD but didn't want to mess with the front. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of r...@rhonald.me Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 11:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Upgrading sound in the 123 -Wagon/Sedan/Coupe With all of my parts ordered, most of the work done (no more skateboard effect in the rear), I will next think about upgrading the sound system in the 123Wagon. I know I don't want a receiver that looks like a night club with lighting effects and too many buttons. I also read about the receivers that do not contain CD players; just plug and play from iPod, iPhone, etc. If anyone has done this please share your thoughts, recommendations, pitfalls, etc.? Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Upgrading sound in the 123 -Wagon/Sedan/Coupe
With all of my parts ordered, most of the work done (no more skateboard effect in the rear), I will next think about upgrading the sound system in the 123Wagon. I know I don't want a receiver that looks like a night club with lighting effects and too many buttons. I also read about the receivers that do not contain CD players; just plug and play from iPod, iPhone, etc. If anyone has done this please share your thoughts, recommendations, pitfalls, etc.? Thanks ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Hydralic Suspension Filter/Tank
Ummm, where is the tank? Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and othersuspension stuff amydugy5From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.comDate: Sun, December 22, 2013 2:29 pmTo: mercedes@okiebenz.comWhen you reply to another post but change the subject, it caneasily get lost. r...@rhonald.me wrote: 3. Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self leveling suspension in the rear?The filter is _in_ the tank. As the fluid flows back into thetank, it passes through the filter. It is attached with ahook/spring thing to the underside of the screw-off fitting on thetop of the tank. Not the smaller hole with the dipstick in it, butthe one that the locking ring is hard to turn because the pipe isin the way. *smiles*-- Philip___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff
I will respond below: Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and othersuspension stuffFrom: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comDate: Sun, December 22, 2013 10:52 amTo: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.comThe word I use is perfectify. Andrew, I would appreciate more constructive advice, since you own the same car, do you really think this is "fun for me"?.On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: If Martha wouldn't replace it then it doesn't need done.lol Martha is not driving my car, I am. I didn't catch the part about still sitting level. I wassaying, the car sits level as compared with any other car. Sure does seem like a lot of work for "it's old, it might go bad, new is better". I think you missed my point. The point was...if one is installing A, and BC (rubber parts or other little parts) sit next to it, given the mileage, does it make sense to replace C,rather than incurr the same (labor cost/time wasted to drive out to the shop)to go back to the same area toswapout (c)?I have been reading how rubber parts deform, crack, etc. If I have to spend for labor, I want to make the most of it. The whole car is a collection of used parts, why pick out ones that aren't broken to upgrade to new? See above... /It'll be ok, make it drive nice and be safe and call it good. If it ain't broke, don't fix it is the motto around here. Mike That is what I am after Mike, I am not attempting to "restore" the entire car. On Dec 22, 2013 9:51 AM, "Dan Penoff" d...@penoff.com wrote: I would agree, as even my level of nit-pickyness wouldn't mandate replacing adjusting bolts unless they were coming out for another job. Dan, that is one of the questions I have been trying get answers to, if something else was coming out for another job, wouldn't it make sense to do it then? I also also asked, how would you tell from driving about the bolts? I see a lot of the work specified here as being near overkill. How leaky are the rear struts? I assumed they leak bad enough because the ride sucks at this point. Is the rear suspension clunking? Banging and Thumping If the self-leveling system is working properly and not bottoming out under load or driving conditions, there is nothing that would indicate replacement of the major components. Well, something needs doing, as I say it rides like a skateboard; Who' is around the DC,VA,MD area? I would be happy to drive somewhere so you can here and feel what I am talking about. I would add that a number of people have successfully rebuilt leaky rear struts as well. Well, I don't engage in DIY on the car, so rebuilding leaky struts is not happening I guess. I wonder about the amount of work going into a car of that age. You have to take a step back and ask yourself if it's really necessary. I hear what you are saying, but what I see as "necessary" is different from the next guy.Not sure what "bottoming out means, but the ride is harsh, almost "BANG, THUMP" when riding over bumps and rough pavement. I don't like driving cars where the suspension feels like it is holding together by rubber bands! I have loaded it with chairs, tables and boxes and I did not notice that it sagged in the rear. Would this suggest that the leveling is working properly? Idrove to Baltimore, and to Kensington, MD andit was fine as far as handling.I had suspension work done (4 shocks, and ball joints/bushings on the black sedan, and it made a world of difference in the ride.I'm thinking someone's mechanic is looking to buy a new boat Dan I have no control over that decision, but it is really none of my business. That is neither here nor there. The car needs work, and I don't/can't do it, I am stuck with the car because I paid too much for it, the mechanic who worked on it before I got it sucks, and somebody has to do its so it looks like I don't have a choice in the matter. On Dec 22, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:Replacing the rear control arms for play? What? That sounds ridiculous. Why wouldn't you replace just loose bushings? OK, it is the bearings, and I am just telling you what have on my notes from the shop. These would be rear control arm bushings? But there no mention there is a problem with them. Replace camber adjusting bolts? Unless the car is so rusty they won't come out without damage there is no need to replace them. They don't wear out. OK I don't know your mechanic but it sounds like he saw you coming and is taking advantage of your lack of expertise on the subject. No, you don't know them so please refrain from passing so much judgement, where are you located, would look my car over? Anyone else catch that? Mike On Dec 21, 2013 6:56 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: OK, I am getting new Bilstein shocks in front, Sachs-Boge self leveling sho
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Hydralic Suspension Filter/Tank
Thanks Frederick Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Hydralic SuspensionFilter/TankFrom: Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comDate: Mon, December 23, 2013 1:23 pmTo: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.comLeft front of engine compartment.Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: "r...@rhonald.me" r...@rhonald.meTo: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:39 PMSubject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Hydralic Suspension Filter/Tank Ummm, where is the tank? Original Message ___http://www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff 2ebe7y5u
Of course they know about the accumulators Phillip, they are on the original list. Thanks Classic symptoms of dead accumulators (sometimes called spheres). These are a wear item. Once the high-pressure nitrogen leaks out, the car rides as you describe. But if your mechanic is unaware of the accumulators, I would question his value as a Mercedes mechanic. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff 2ebe7y5u
Yikes, I totally forgot about this; it has been so long since I posted. Thanksf for the reminder Curt. Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff 2ebe7y5u From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, December 23, 2013 5:04 pm To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Hey by the by, those of us on Digest just get this when you post. Friends don't let friends send HTML email... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. I was price shopping, and came across these. https://mercedessource.com/store/116-123-617-turbo-diesel-upper-oil-cooler-hose-instructions Has anyone had experience with these? The German company? Looking for recommendations. Thanks R 85 300TD Wagon 230,000 miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
Rick, I guess I should re-word that. "my shop" is replacing the cooler hoses. Now it seems most are out of stock for the lower hoses. Some are selling Trucktec, which I have now been told, don't buy it.Cohline is the other brand. Most have the upper hose. Is that Mercedes OEM?Thanks Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 1:05 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On Dec 21, 2013, at 10:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. That would be a great time to change motor mounts as well. Please use good quality German parts, as this is not a difficult job, but not a fun job either. You don't want to be changing them out again in a year. You can make your own oil line wrenches by cutting down some pawn shop Craftsman ones. Liberal repeated applications of your favorite penetrating oil on the oil cooler threads days before hand helps too. Here is a link to a few pictures. https://db.tt/3OxkO5DM Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
Hey Allan, actually the cooler is new; I have had the car since last year so I am thinking they may not difficult for them to get them off? ThanksR Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 4:00 pm To: mercedes@okiebenz.com I would advise soaking the fittings with a 50:50 mix of acetone and ATF for at least a day (apply several times) before attempting to remove the old lines. Be sure you use a wrench on the cooler side and one on the hose side and squeeze them together to break the fitting loose so you don't twist the fitting off of the cooler. Flare-nut style wrenches are advised! Allan On Sat, Dec 21, 2013, at 11:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. I was price shopping, and came across these. https://mercedessource.com/store/116-123-617-turbo-diesel-upper-oil-cooler-hose-instructions Has anyone had experience with these? The German company? Looking for recommendations. Thanks R 85 300TD Wagon 230,000 miles _ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
OK, Rick I will have them check... Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 3:07 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On Dec 21, 2013, at 2:04 PM, "Rick Knoble" rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Hmm. Okay. Then you should have them replace the motor mounts with good quality German parts. Guess I should've included the caveat "if they are in need of replacement". Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
Ok, so there is this flat looking bushing and a small cylinder with what looks like a piston through it. can you see them from looking into the engine bay, or is it only seen when the car is on the lift? I am still hunting for my old catalog from performance products with all the exploded drawings, so sorry for all the little questions...Just trying to make sure, if they are taking something apart to do one thing, it makes sense to replace other small parts that only might take 10 min to do, rather than incur another full hour labor charge.I am also doing the front shocks, and rear struts, and accumulators. That is another post...ThanksR Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 3:04 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:46 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Rick, I guess I should re-word that. "my shop" is replacing the cooler hoses. Hmm. Okay. Then you should have them replace the motor mounts with good quality German parts. Good time for the engine shocks also. The shock mounts are shockingly expensive ($300 for both, roughly), but you may need the one on the drivers side, as it sits under the injection pump and is prone to being subject to any fuel leaks that may occur. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
OK, that's what I needed to hear. Thanks Gary Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 2:37 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com cohline is an OE supplier and should be the OE supplier on that part to benz trucktec is aftermarket. as a generally rule, i'd prefer original to aftermarket, particularly chinese aftermarket, BUT, if all that was available in the world was trucktec, i'd use that. but a genuine one is like 100 bucks and you are ready to pay 80 for a trucktec, so why not buy a real one? On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 1:46 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Rick, I guess I should re-word that. "my shop" is replacing the cooler hoses. Now it seems most are out of stock for the lower hoses. Some are selling Trucktec, which I have now been told, don't buy it. Cohline is the other brand. Most have the upper hose. Is that Mercedes OEM? Thanks Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 1:05 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On Dec 21, 2013, at 10:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. That would be a great time to change motor mounts as well. Please use good quality German parts, as this is not a difficult job, but not a fun job either. You don't want to be changing them out again in a year. You can make your own oil line wrenches by cutting down some pawn shop Craftsman ones. Liberal repeated applications of your favorite penetrating oil on the oil cooler threads days before hand helps too. Here is a link to a few pictures. https://db.tt/3OxkO5DM Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon castor Adjustors and other suspension stuff
OK, I am getting new Bilstein shocks in front, Sachs-Boge self leveling shocks and Febi accumulators in the rear. The car is still perfectly level even when loaded.1. While the car is up, the shop says the castor adjustors have wear (small). Does it make sense to do this now? From what I have seen, it relates to the front end alignment. I am getting confused looking at parts. Is this what I need x 2? 1163300018 Genuine Mercedes Alignment Caster/Camber Kit; Front Lower Inner; Eccentric Bolt Kit 2 kits per car. 2. Deciding whether to have the ball joints done at the same time though there is no inspection reports of wear noted and the car does not present any tracking issues. Is it possible to check anything when it is not on the lift? Two boots and two boot kits, correct? Just wanting to get everything tight again. The black sedan is all done and it made a world of difference, but...just in time for two huge tree branches to smash the top in the middle. Sig! 3. Where is the hydraulic suspension filter located for the self leveling suspension in the rear? 0021845501 Genuine Mercedes Hydraulic Suspension Oil Filter For models with self-leveling rear suspension. 4. I have to wait on the Rear Control Arms. Told they have some play. Not sure how to feel this when driving.ThanksR Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 12:38 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com also, that's just hte upper hose. the lower hose might just be available only in tructec or genuine mercedes, so you might have to get the lower one in genuine or just live with the tructec. seems i too have a special agreement with monark to sell you those hoses, but i'd probably get a genuine one if i were you if the tructec actually turns out chinese On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 11:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. I was price shopping, and came across these. https://mercedessource.com/store/116-123-617-turbo-diesel-upper-oil-cooler-hose-instructions Has anyone had experience with these? The German company? Looking for recommendations. Thanks R 85 300TD Wagon 230,000 miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- *reliable vendor of superior parts for mercedes and other european cars* *www.BuyEUROparts.com http://www.BuyEUROparts.com* ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
OK Rick, thanks...just wanted to here some thoughts on this. I don't think I am going to buy. But, I cannot find the lower hose anywhere except a couple of places where it comes as a set...$450-555.00! Several carry the upper hose from $60 to $80.ThanksR Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 12:15 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On Dec 21, 2013, at 10:24 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Morning All, I am ready to replace the oil cooler hoses on the wagon. I was price shopping, Send Gary an email. I like the Mercedes Source guy for some specialty tools (glow plug reamer, shift bushing tool, etc.) but he seems kinda high on parts. That and he charges for instructional leaflets and videos. His YouTube videos are more infomercial than instruction, and I just dislike that. I am not really sure why that doesn't sit well with me, it just doesn't. I know this is a capitalist country, and God bless him if he can make a buck hawking information, but there is such a wealth of free knowledge on the subject of old MB's out there, why bother paying for it? That said, his videos are pretty well produced. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines
Hey Dan, thanks... I will consider the engine mounts and bushings. Yes, I read all about the threads and the problems. Yes, they have done these before. The post inspection found the struts are leaking and the ride is choppy/bouncy.ThanksR Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon oil cooler lines From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Date: Sat, December 21, 2013 6:07 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Engine vibration damper. Bushings may need replacement if they're original, but the damper is probably OK. Definitely consider the engine mounts, as they'll have to pretty much take the driver's side mount off, or at least unbolt one side of it in order to do the oil lines. You're lucky if the oil cooler was recently replaced, as the main point of failure when this job is done are the threads on the oil cooler. The coupling on the cooler is aluminum, and the threads tend to gall when you remove the old line fittings. If your indie has done these they'll be very conscious of this. Why are you doing rear struts? If they're not leaking, leave them alone and just replace the accumulators (but only if you've lost the "bounce" in the rear suspension.) On Dec 21, 2013, at 5:58 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Ok, so there is this flat looking bushing and a small cylinder with what looks like a piston through it. can you see them from looking into the engine bay, or is it only seen when the car is on the lift? I am still hunting for my old catalog from performance products with all the exploded drawings, so sorry for all the little questions... Just trying to make sure, if they are taking something apart to do one thing, it makes sense to replace other small parts that only might take 10 min to do, rather than incur another full hour labor charge. I am also doing the front shocks, and rear struts, and accumulators. That is another post... Thanks R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon questions
Guys, narrowing down the issues with this wagon I got some specifics about what is wrong. Just looking to get a few more comments on this for my case file. 1. How does a drive shaft wear out at 225,00 miles? The says says it is the shaft, not the mount. 2. Oil cooler hoses; they leak, and I was told if they sieze, it is a $1200 repair. So, does this mean, just replace the hoses; what causes this to happen, and at 225,000? I can prevent this from happening? 3. The downpipe has a small leak, something to do with the exhaust (manifold to the resonator) No idea what that does. How would this happen at 225,000 miles. My black 300 has almost 350,000 miles and I have never had any of the above problems. 4. Small leak in differential, left side. I am told that if I run dry, it is a costly repair. 5. Transmission front pump leaking. I did not know there was a pump other than the vacuum pump. This getting worse by the day and I am thinking the car must have been abused before I got it? Thanks all! R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon questions
Hey Dan, thanks. Actually the oil cooler was replaced as I was told, but will find out if this is actually so. I will need to get more info. I am waiting on an estimate now. I saw new axle shafts, both of them. Yes, I trust the guys I am getting the estimate from. Thanks to all, will get back next week. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 '85 TD Wagon questions From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca Date: Thu, January 10, 2013 5:43 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On 10/01/2013 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Read below: Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2013, at 2:40 PM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Guys, narrowing down the issues with this wagon I got some specifics about what is wrong. Just looking to get a few more comments on this for my case file. 1. How does a drive shaft wear out at 225,00 miles? The says says it is the shaft, not the mount. The shaft itself does not wear out. You need some clarification as to the issue. Are they saying the universal joints are worn, or the center bearing is bad? U-joints aren't a terribly major repair, but this is one better left to a shop that specializes in driveshafts. Perfect DIY RR job, carry it in, pick it up when done and reinstall. For that matter they may even be speaking of flex disk, too. Another fairly easy DIY job. 2. Oil cooler hoses; they leak, and I was told if they seize, it is a $1200 repair. So, does this mean, just replace the hoses; what causes this to happen, and at 225,000? I can prevent this from happening? Again, you need more details, but in a car of this age and mileage, the oil cooler hoses are typically swollen and close to failure from age, heat and pressure. Should one of them fail while you are driving at speed, the potential for catastrophic engine damage is high. As others have mentioned, the dissimilar metals used in the fittings and oil cooler cause said fittings to gall and often damage or destroy the fittings on the oil cooler during their removal. If this occurs, a new or used oil cooler is in order. 3. The downpipe has a small leak, something to do with the exhaust (manifold to the resonator) No idea what that does. How would this happen at 225,000 miles. My black 300 has almost 350,000 miles and I have never had any of the above problems. Again, not enough information. Is this an actual leak in an exhaust pipe, as if it were cracked, or is it simply a leak at the joint between the manifold and down pipe heading back to the resonator? If the joint is leaking, it's a simple fix of replacing the seal that belongs in the joint. Fairly common repair for an older diesel. 4. Small leak in differential, left side. I am told that if I run dry, it is a costly repair. Again, more detail is needed. Is the case leaking, are they talking about the axle, etc? If the input shaft seal is leaking, the seal requires replacement. Special tools should be used for this job, although I have done it without. Minimal parts cost, small labor, but does require the driveshaft and flexible coupling to be removed. 5. Transmission front pump leaking. I did not know there was a pump other than the vacuum pump. Yup. The front pump is one of two pumps in the transmission that pressurize the hydraulic system in the transmission. The front pump is the most critical of the two, but a small leak is not a big deal and like a rear seal leak can be tolerated for a long time unless it gets excessive. This getting worse by the day and I am thinking the car must have been abused before I got it? I really doubt it. These are typical repairs for a 123 chassis vehicle with the age and mileage yours has. Some of these could be suggested that they are related to maintenance, but worst case, deferred maintenance rather than abuse, in my opinion. Speaking of opinions, it sounds like you probably have a competent and detail oriented mechanic who knows these cars well. If this is the case, your best bet is to partner with him and work out a plan to prioritize the repairs and take them one at a time. For example, I would suggest that the oil cooler lines be done first, as they have the most potential for catastrophic damage. The transmission and differential leaks are probably inconsequential and can go on for a while without any damage other than that to your driveway. If the driveshaft is not making any noise, you can probably defer this one and coordinate it with the differential input shaft seal, since it has to be removed to do the job anyway. If your mechanic is good, honest and professional, he should have no trouble at all sitting down with you and coming up with a plan of attack that is acceptable and reasonable. Good luck, Dan ___ Very good advice Dan. I think you put that very nicely. I still wonder however, why anyone would want to own one of these old cars if he
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Hey Andrew, how are you? This is an official gratitude post for your recommendation. I met with Luis and he spent much time with me. It was a good education; he is awesome! We found some additional areas in the back windows at the . I would have NEVER known to look there. I will post some abreviated details soon. I can now move on to the next step. I have put together a list of events surrounding this purchase, but not sure if I should post all of it. It is long and everyone may not want to read all of that, if not I can send off the list, but I think it could be important info for anyone. I have attempted to just state the facts. I am also going to post photos on a website link. This is not a situation anyone wants to find themselves in. I have been advised by E-bay and the Montgomery Office of Consumer Affairs so far. A big thanks to everyone else who provided input. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them. 301-340-0393 On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's usually cost prohibitive to do so. Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess damages to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals with? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
OK Wilton, but not till next week. I am not quite done assembling all of this yet. The last piece is a mechanical inspection, the one I tried to get before. This appt. is set for Wed. Jan 2nd. Thanks! R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Date: Fri, December 28, 2012 4:13 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Let all of us hear/read it all; some are interested in this, some that. As a group, we're probably interested in all of it. Don't be bashful; let us have it all. Wilton - Original Message - From: r...@rhonald.me To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area Hey Andrew, how are you? This is an official gratitude post for your recommendation. I met with Luis and he spent much time with me. It was a good education; he is awesome! We found some additional areas in the back windows at the . I would have NEVER known to look there. I will post some abreviated details soon. I can now move on to the next step. I have put together a list of events surrounding this purchase, but not sure if I should post all of it. It is long and everyone may not want to read all of that, if not I can send off the list, but I think it could be important info for anyone. I have attempted to just state the facts. I am also going to post photos on a website link. This is not a situation anyone wants to find themselves in. I have been advised by E-bay and the Montgomery Office of Consumer Affairs so far. A big thanks to everyone else who provided input. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them. 301-340-0393 On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's usually cost prohibitive to do so. Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess damages to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals with? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Thanks guys, I will find out more on Friday. This time I will take better photos; I did not get an overall shot from underneath. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, December 26, 2012 8:02 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com If you can access both sides of the panel then lead is nice. Downsides are that the heat burns away the protective coating on back side of panel. Also, flux can sometimes seep out of the lead and mar the paint job. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:26 AM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Our old cars really should have old school lead floated instead of bondo. It is an art to do, but probably well worth the effort. clay On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Frederick Moir wrote: What Dan says. Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to rust. I use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff. My $0.02 worth Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area Very true. A competent professional will use very little, if any, bondo or filler. In most cases they use it to simply clean up a line, not to build up a damaged area. If they are replacing metal, there should be no bondo on the new metal. I had the jack points rebuilt on my former 1979 300TD, and I saw the areas where they cut to old metal away and relaxed it with new., It's an area with a lot of layers and complex angles - it's easy to make the outside look nice, but critical to get the inside parts done correctly while they are in there doing the work. Dan On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Dan, I will find out this week. I was told by someone that using Bondo was not correct. R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Wow Dan, that is cool. I would love to watch the process. Any links to some before and after visuals I wonder... R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Date: Wed, December 26, 2012 7:56 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com The guy that did my 1979 300TD did lead. He was a third generation German coach builder (his great-grandfather built and repaired carriages and coaches) who was an absolute artist. No lead on the 300TD, as we used all new metal, but I got to watch him do some on another car one day when I was visiting. Sadly, he's gone as is his shop. He had an apprentice but I don't know where he went after the shop closed. Dan On Dec 26, 2012, at 1:26 AM, clay monroe wrote: Our old cars really should have old school lead floated instead of bondo. It is an art to do, but probably well worth the effort. clay On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Frederick Moir wrote: What Dan says. Also, Bondo is not waterproof and will allow the underlying metal to rust. I use All Metal instead of Bondo-like stuff. My $0.02 worth Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area Very true. A competent professional will use very little, if any, bondo or filler. In most cases they use it to simply clean up a line, not to build up a damaged area. If they are replacing metal, there should be no bondo on the new metal. I had the jack points rebuilt on my former 1979 300TD, and I saw the areas where they cut to old metal away and relaxed it with new., It's an area with a lot of layers and complex angles - it's easy to make the outside look nice, but critical to get the inside parts done correctly while they are in there doing the work. Dan On Dec 24, 2012, at 8:56 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Dan, I will find out this week. I was told by someone that using Bondo was not correct. R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Ok, D, that is good info. I have the guy I would use, and he is a specialist; but for the e-bay buyer protection and consumer protection agencies they need at least two estimates. Thanks R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, December 24, 2012 8:15 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Just a warning: most body shops deal with collision and paint. They usually don't know or care to know how to repair rust correctly. You need to find someone that specializes in rust repair or restoration. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 23, 2012, at 11:10 AM, r...@rhonald.me wrote: Mitch, I only need an estimate to correct bad bodywork on the one I already have. Mostly down by the doors, jack holes and rear lower quarter panels. Thanks R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 10:36 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com r...@rhonald.me wrote: Morning All, anyone know of an expert body shop in the Northern Virginia, DC area? Looking for those who are anal about high-quality work. Unless you're emotionally attached to the car, compare repair cost to buying a totally rust free car with good original paint to replace it. If you can find a perfect California car with WVO'd engine, I bet the cost to buy/transport the chassis donor and transplant your existing drivetrain is less than the cost to repaint your existing car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Andrew, good morning. Just spoke to Luis, I have an appt. for Wed. morning. Thanks very much; I will let you know the outcome. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them. 301-340-0393 On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's usually cost prohibitive to do so. Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess damages to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals with? Mitch. _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] pr0n
Mountain Man, thanks for the link. Awesome! R Original Message Subject: [MBZ] pr0n From: Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 10:09 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com http://www.kidston.com/kidston-news-item/152/Driving-The-Worlds-Most-Valuable-Car:-The-Mercedes-Benz-300SLR-'Uhlenhaut'-Coupe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Dan, I will find out this week. I was told by someone that using Bondo was not correct. R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 11:13 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's usually cost prohibitive to do so. There are a number of layers of metal in these areas that have to be cut out and replaced section by section to do it correctly. I know, because I had it done myself some years ago. Dan On Dec 23, 2012, at 11:10 AM, r...@rhonald.me r...@rhonald.me wrote: Mitch, I only need an estimate to correct bad bodywork on the one I already have. Mostly down by the doors, jack holes and rear lower quarter panels. Thanks R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Morning All, anyone know of an expert body shop in the Northern Virginia, DC area? Looking for those who are anal about high-quality work. Thanks R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Mitch, I only need an estimate to correct bad bodywork on the one I already have. Mostly down by the doors, jack holes and rear lower quarter panels. Thanks R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 10:36 am To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com r...@rhonald.me wrote: Morning All, anyone know of an expert body shop in the Northern Virginia, DC area? Looking for those who are anal about high-quality work. Unless you're emotionally attached to the car, compare repair cost to buying a totally rust free car with good original paint to replace it. If you can find a perfect California car with WVO'd engine, I bet the cost to buy/transport the chassis donor and transplant your existing drivetrain is less than the cost to repaint your existing car. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area
Andrew, Mitch thanks for the info. I am preparing my response with some details. Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need Good Body Shop Recommendation in Northern VA-DC Area From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com Date: Sun, December 23, 2012 1:32 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Yes but it's in Rockville, MD: In and Out Auto Body. Very reasonable and they do good work. Ask for Luis and say that I recommended them. 301-340-0393 On Sun, Dec 23, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: If the rockers and/or jack points need to be repaired/replaced, it's usually cost prohibitive to do so. Yep, but if a body shop screwed it up, he might be trying to assess damages to claim against them. Does Andrew S. have a good MBZ body shop he deals with? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ft Hood
Hey Alex, what shape are your door seals in? R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ft Hood From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Date: Fri, December 21, 2012 9:14 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com On Dec 21, 2012 5:49 PM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: How are your Mercedes all working? It has been raining like crazy here (NW Oregon) and I'm worried that when I get back to the 300D I'll have to bail it out before I can drive it--it has a water leak into the front and rear floors on the right side that I can't figure out. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How does one get road tar spots off wheels and paint?
Hey Rick,the first thing to remember is that the rims are paint just like the body. You can't use anything on them that you would not use on the body of the car. This was advice given to me by a Veteranof this list; Dr. Marshall Booth many years ago. Other than that, I don't know of a specific product. Someone else might have more info on that. Rhonald Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] How does one get road tar spots off wheels andpaint?From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comDate: Tue, December 18, 2012 1:05 pmTo: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.comOn Dec 18, 2012, at 10:48 AM, "Craig" diese...@pisquared.net wrote: How can I get this stuff off without damaging things?WD40RickSent from my iPhone___http://www.okiebenz.comFor new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.comTo search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to:http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Choosing the right cover for Outdoor Storage on '85 300TD Wagon
Who has had experience (goodand bad)with car covers? Garage storage is not an option right now. I am using a cover I bought from ADIST Co. for the 300D on the new (old) TD wagon until I can get another.I first went to Covercraft and they have this chart where it compares all the covers. The Weather Shield is the top of the line as I told them I wanted maximum water roll-off. But the ding factor is not high (hail stones in spring and summer) It also shows "Best" for all weather protection, rain, snow, dust, tree sap, but breathability is only rated good. I am not concerned with tree sap as it is not parked under trees. The Sunbrella is rated better for breathability and shows best for UV Sun damage.So I am not completely sure how to judge. Which is better; sun resistance or keeping the moisture out?The Sunbrella is not good for snow, I guess that means as it melts it soaks the cover? This morning when I raised the cover I have now, there was like steam on some places on the hood. I am thinking it does not breath enough? But how can it breathe if it is sealed to provide water roll-off? Here is the link: http://www.covercraft.com/carcovers/car_cover_fabrics.html Thanks very much, R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choosing the right cover for Outdoor Storage on '85 300TD Wagon
Hey Curt, for a minute I did not know what you meant, but I just figured it out. I don't have a lot of experience with this. No one else has mentioned it. So how does this come through? R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Choosing the right cover for Outdoor Storage on '85 300TD Wagon From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, December 18, 2012 6:54 pm To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Hey, If I never reply to your posts its because the digest destroys HTML emails... Save the world, quit using HTML email. ;) -Curt Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 12:10:54 -0700 From: r...@rhonald.me To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Choosing the right cover for Outdoor Storage on '85 300TD Wagon Message-ID: 20121218121054.8a8568381fa1c92534197d2bac8e.88355f1807@email15.secureserver.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20121218/e8747115/attachment-0001.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Choosing the right cover for Outdoor Storage on '85 300TD Wagon
Hey Philip, thanks for the response. Ok, I get that now. This one sounds like it would work, based on the criteria I checked off on the site. I am thinking it might also be good for hail protection. I also saw some using woven fabrics. Technalon® Evolution® Covers A great all around cover for protection in all types of weather and climates. This is our thickest material and the best at protecting against dings and dents. Technalon® custom cover is made with Evolution® fabric from KimberlyClark and provides an excellent protection value in all weather conditions. This is a 4-layer non-woven composite, ultrasonically laminated to help provide a high degree of all-weather protection while remaining breathable and providing the best UPF UV protection of all the K-C fabrics. A soft inner layer protects the paint finish from abrasion. Water resistant all-weather fabric Quick-drying Breathable fibers allow air to flow through Barrier against dust, dirt, pollen and other airborne debris Thick enough to absorb small impacts R Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Choosing the right cover for Outdoor Storage on '85 300TD Wagon From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com Date: Tue, December 18, 2012 10:17 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com r...@rhonald.me wrote: But how can it breathe if it is sealed to provide water roll-off? Water as vapor has no surface tension, so it can fit through holes much smaller than water as liquid. So if a material has holes just the right size, the vapor can get out - but the liquid can't get in! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Good morning Kaleb and others. Rhonald is back on the list after a long break. Thoroughly enjoyed talking with Kaleb, Marshall, and others. Howis everyone doing? My 300D got smashed in the rear of the roof and damage to trunkin June from storms in the Washington, DC area. The tree is still standing, so imagine the size of the branches! But I am still driving like nothing happened. No rattles, squeaks, etc. Trunk lock still works. So, I am looking for another vehicle; have an appt. tomorrow to see an Estate Wagon; Thurs but my body shop guy, who was going to do the rust repair on my sedan is out of the country. So far so good with the owner describing everything and answering my questions. Who has experience with looking for rust on the 123 TD Estate Wagon?Howmany of you own the Estate Wagon? There was 1 small "surface rust spot about the size of a quarter"which was taken care of. I will see it up on the lift when I go and will examine. Are there any places beside the rocker panelarea, fender edges (my current car is bad at the left rear fender forward the wheel), jack holes, drivers side underside, under battery tray, front stone pan and up under the rear bumper? Any other questions to ask about the '85 Estate Wagon in particular? It has 225,000 miles. Thanks in advance! Rhonald 1985 300D Turbo 345,475 Miles and still going. Original Message Subject: Welcome to the "Mercedes" mailing listFrom: mercedes-requ...@okiebenz.comDate: Wed, December 12, 2012 11:56 amTo post to this list, send your message to:mercedes@okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MB site and w115
Hey Clay, thanks for the post; I stumbled upon this guy over the summer after two tree branches devastated my 300D. He has some amazing cars.RA Original Message Subject: [MBZ] MB site and w115 From: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net Date: Thu, December 13, 2012 8:37 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com http://www5.mercedes-benz.com/en/tv/5518027_alaska_part1_en/ found this neat movie clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Hey Craig, thanks. Wow, hope you get back to work soon. My post acceptance was late for my purchase, so I found my 6" binder with about 1,300 posts and used it a guide. Cannot say how grateful I am to have found this list in 2000. What car do you own again? I picked the car up yesterday morning. I looked in all these areas...we had the car up on the lift, the headlights and the housings were replaced. No rust inside. Stone pan clean, jack holes clean. But, I did find a few small spots down at the bottom of the doors; the previous owner used a knife; it was hard, solid. It appears as just surface rust. And next to the sunroof...the surface is rough, not flaking or anything. In the compartment where the rear-end hydraulic fluid reservoir is located; nothing. Spare storage, nothing, except a small area with a plug in it, there is a hole in the plug. I lifted up the flat rubber plastic in back (no third seat in this one) nothing except sand, leaves, trash, etc. Popped open the seats (very cool) reminded me of the M100 jump seats. No rust but some white stuff...like how steel oxidizes or something, what is that? No sign of mildew or mold under the mats though. No smell. Nothing is soft, it is all hard metal. I am taking the car to my guy next week after I get it titled and registered. He was going to do the repair on my current 4Dr. at $5,000 - $6,000 UNTIL, the two gigantic tree branches landed on my roof and trunk in June. The tree still stands! It took me all summer to get over it; and the thought of losing the car. I got a rental for about a week. Nice car, but well I don't need to say it; we all know. I was so glad to get back in my 123, cold drafts and all! How on earth do people see out of the rear window of these newer cars???So, if there is something I missed I want know NOW, not 9 years from now, like on the current vehicle. I did not see it on a lift when I bought it in 2000. On the 4Dr. I only saw rust on the stone pan and the jack holes, which I had repaired. My guy saw it over the summer, and said, it was an OK job but not done quite right. That is when I learned about all the rest of it. I had no idea all of that was happening under there. The car was leased by the CEO of the PA Power Company. I have many records, but you know it was snow and salt driven. There will be NO snow driving this year, in either one. It is horrible here, just a mention of snow, and the trucks are out like an army. So, I am working on how to fix it enough to put in a new rear window. I am not spending a lot on it given the rust issues now. However, the shrink wrap and the painters plastic cloth is getting old!Other questions??? I am not that familiar with this model, though I always thought it was fine! I do know the rear suspension is different and I have seen some sagging in the back; I guess they did not do proper maintenance? 1. How would one install a sound system, including a sub-woofer? No, I don't need loud, just deep base so I can feel the guy plucking the strings in a jazz trio, or those low notes that Sara Vaughn hits with ease as a child plays in the sand box. I thought it would great NOT to remove the original Becker. I installed a Clarion in the 4Dr. The buttons are symmetrical; a must. I looked today trying to imagine where speakers would go. Reuss Systems (post from way back) quoted me $2,500 for the 4Dr. He said the 123 was one of the most difficult cars to tune the sound.2. The black carpets in the back have faded of course, so at some point I will replace. All carpets are original and in good shape for 27 years.3. Who fabricates custom mats, like if I send a template in? I want two pieces I can lay out in the back with a lip around the edge.4. What is different about the transmission?5. I think that is about it, other than anything I should know. Is there a group for TD Wagons?ThanksRhonald Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 1:59 pm To: mercedes@okiebenz.com On Wed, 12 Dec 2012 10:43:19 -0700 r...@rhonald.me wrote: Good morning Kaleb and others. Rhonald is back on the list after a long break. Thoroughly enjoyed talking with Kaleb, Marshall, and others. How is everyone doing? Welcome back, Rhonald! I'm doing OK. Unemployed and looking for work. Are there any places beside the rocker panel area, fender edges (my current car is bad at the left rear fender forward the wheel), jack holes, drivers side underside, under battery tray, front stone pan and up under the rear bumper? Also look behind the rear wheels and in front and back of the front wheels. The headlight area could trap snow/salt slush. Behind the front wheels are plastic pieces that cover where the engine compartment drains are (below the hood hinges). If these pieces are not installed properly stuff can get behind them to bad effect. Any other questions to ask about th
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Yes, must be. How are you doing? How are the cars? Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 1:59 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Well, Rhonald's Wednesday post showed up. I'm guessing there's a hold on first posts by new subscribers? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Awesome! Thanks MitchRhonald Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 10:35 pm To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Craig wrote: No need to go looking for another group for your wagon; there are several on this list that have 123 wagons. Hopefully, they will speak up. Andrew in DC has a 1985 300TD. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon
Original Message Subject: Re: [MBZ] Inspecting for Rust and other questions for 85 123 Estate Wagon From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Date: Sat, December 15, 2012 10:34 pm To: mercedes@okiebenz.com On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:02:44 -0700 r...@rhonald.me wrote: Hey Craig, thanks. Wow, hope you get back to work soon. Thank you. No rust but some white stuff...like how steel oxidizes or something, what is that? Rust is oxidized steel (iron). The white stuff is most likely residue from the chemicals in the water that evaporated there.Ok, yes, like hard water. OK, great. No sign of mildew or mold under the mats though. No smell. Nothing is soft, it is all hard metal. It sounds good, then. Where are you located? (I'm in Los Alamos, New Mexico.)I am in Washington, DC It took me all summer to get over it; and the thought of losing the car. I'm sorry your car got crushed by those tree branches. How on earth do people see out of the rear window of these newer cars??? I have no idea, and dislike them for the same reason. So, if there is something I missed I want know NOW, not 9 years from now, like on the current vehicle. Good idea. I wish you success in properly evaluating the new MB. Other questions??? I am not that familiar with this model, though I always thought it was fine! I do know the rear suspension is different and I have seen some sagging in the back; I guess they did not do proper maintenance? You will need to have someone with experience with the self-leveling suspension to chime in. 2. The black carpets in the back have faded of course, so at some point I will replace. All carpets are original and in good shape for 27 years. Talk with Rusty, (800) 741-5252, to see if they are still available.Ok, will do. 4. What is different about the transmission? As one of the other responders said, it has a torque converter with a higher stall speed. That will help starting off the line, but apparently will lower fuel mileage. 5. I think that is about it, other than anything I should know. Is there a group for TD Wagons? No need to go looking for another group for your wagon; there are several on this list that have 123 wagons. Hopefully, they will speak up.Awesome, signing off for the night, take it easy!Rhonald Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: WATERFORD MAN KILLED WHEN CAR FALLS ON HIM (The Day, Sat, 12 Mar 2011, Page C2)
Especially with Mercedes. The darned things are heavy. Randy On 12/03/2011 8:40 AM, toms cat1 wrote: I hate to be that guy, but here it happened again. Item from today's local paper. Stay safe, fellas. Redundant safety systems whenever you are under a car. Tom Waterford — A 21-year-old man was killed Friday afternoon after the car he was working on in a home garage fell on top of him, according to police and emergency responders. The injured person was extricated from under the car by firefighters from the... Sent from my iPad http://theday.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=JV0RQIJQUHW1issue=199520110312001001article=e295a1c6-9afc-44bc-bee9-d053389c46ce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: WATERFORD MAN KILLED WHEN CAR FALLS ON HIM (The Day, Sat, 12 Mar 2011, Page C2)
Me too. And then I put some chunks of big square timber under it too just in case, so that I have a bit of wiggle room if it all goes bad. Randy On 13/03/2011 7:04 AM, Max Dillon wrote: I had a car fall once, I was not under it; after that scare I do the following. Once I think I've got the car safely on the jackstands, I push and pull on the car hard to make sure it can't shift and fall. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Walt Zarnoch Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 11:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: WATERFORD MAN KILLED WHEN CAR FALLS ON HIM (The Day, Sat, 12 Mar 2011, Page C2) Tis why I use a 2 post lift with safety stands now. I get queasy even going under the cars at the yards that are up on 4 stands under the frame... Walt On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: That's awful. That's why I'm so hesitant to get under a jacked up car even when supported by jack stands. Sent from dmy iPhone On Mar 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, toms cat1tomsc...@hotmail.com wrote: I hate to be that guy, but here it happened again. Item from today's local paper. Stay safe, fellas. Redundant safety systems whenever you are under a car. Tom Waterford — A 21-year-old man was killed Friday afternoon after the car he was working on in a home garage fell on top of him, according to police and emergency responders. The injured person was extricated from under the car by firefighters from the... Sent from my iPad http://theday.newspaperdirect.com/epaper/showlink.aspx?bookmarkid=JV0RQIJQUH W1issue=199520110312001001article=e295a1c6-9afc-44bc-bee9-d053389c 46ce ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm feeling sleepy ...
Well, not totally true. Diesel exhaust might kill you but it will take some time. Those particles are not so good for the lungs over the long haul. Randy B Wrong! The base assumption here is that carbon monoxide (CO) from the exhaust is making you sleepy. The car is a 300SD. That means it is a Diesel. Diesel exhaust will not kill you or your canary. Diesel exhaust has negligible CO content. Diesel exhaust WILL NOT make you sleepy. Lack of CO is one of the inherent advantages of Diesel engines. While a hole in the muffler might make annoying noise, it won't hurt you or your family. x Check your assumptions Check your sources Check your ammunition ... which Manfred tells me is due to a 3/4 -1' hole in the muffler of my 1981 300SD. He is helping me with the car, and a muffler [without the holes] is needed. Manfred can weld it in place, so just 5-6 of pipe is needed on the muffler. Anyone got one at a reasonable price that will fit on the 300SD? Update on the computer: matching 2GB chips from Crucial seem to help a bit; any additional memory tests as bad. I still have some delay problems, and turning off some of the functions of the dictation program has also helped. More user friendly at this point, but I think a newer computer will be needed at least by next year. Bill R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm feeling sleepy ...
Or, if you want to be bit classier, get one of the early Mustangs with the small inline 6 and a manual transmission. I had a 65 with the 170 cid engine. No hot rod but really good mileage on it too. Wish I still had it (doesn't everyone say that?). Randy On 14/03/2011 11:26 AM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: If I were looking for true mileage, I'd get a 1960 Ford Falcon with the 144 cu in straight 6. My Dad's got 30-32 mpg with 6 people in the car. Or you could get a 4 cyc Renault Daphne. My brother in law had a 1960 that got 40 mpg consistently. Yes, I know these are old cars, but they point out how little we've improved in mpg over the past 50 years. Could big oil and big Detroit have something to do with that? Keep feeling sleepy...maybe we'll get synthetic diesel and a European Ford diesel that gets 65 mpg here in the states. But I'm not holding my breath. Best Wishes, Roger Hale Monroe, Ga. ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I'm feeling sleepy ...
On 14/03/2011 9:48 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: A good economy car without the battery might get 30 city and 40 hwy, so I would only pay more for the Hybrid if I were planning on doing a lot of local driving. For my driving, I'd take a good look at a Chevy Cruze before buying a Prius. IMHO the best deal in an economy car right now would be a two- or three-year-old Honda Fit, which with a 5-speed is pretty close to those mileage numbers. Great visibility, fun to drive, pretty smooth ride for such a small car, terrific use of interior space to maximize cargo capacity. The new five-door Ford Fiesta looks to have similar assets, but I'd wait a few years until the bugs are worked out. (Speaking of bugs, both are a bit entomomorphic, as Dimitri has it, if that bothers you---but not as much so as a Prius.) Alex ___ When it comes right down to it, it will be almost impossible to do better than a late model Honda Civic for all round use. Randy who does not have one but thinks about it for commuter car etc. (Mother has one, sister has one, niece and nephew each have them, wife has 4 cylinder Accord.) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: $700 MERCEDES 300 Turbo Diesel 1985 - $700 (Woodstock NY)
Sounds like maybe someone tried to steal it and broke the steering column. Randy On 14/03/2011 4:27 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Great - thanks. Ya think I can drive it back to D.C. absent those few parts? I never heard of either of these housings. *Needs ignition housing and switch also needs indicator housing and switch plus switch for one window and probably a new batt.* On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Fred Moirfred.s...@verizon.net wrote: 300TD. (Wagon) Running no less. Not mine Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred Original Message Subject:$700 MERCEDES 300 Turbo Diesel 1985 - $700 (Woodstock NY) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:03:10 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://catskills.craigslist.org/cto/2261999381.htmlto contact the person who posted this. $700 MERCEDES 300 Turbo Diesel 1985 Date: 2011-03-12, 4:06PM This car is in working condithion. Interior is in good condition. 200k mi. Was running, has been parked for one year. Great car for restoration or parts. These cars are built like tanks and can run forever also convertible to bio diesel. working manual sunroof, windows work, lights all intact and working, roofrack. Needs ignition housing and switch also needs indicator housing and switch plus switch for one window and probably a new batt. spare tire included. $ 700 or best offer. the money is for a good cause. * Location: Woodstock NY * it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests Original URL: http://catskills.craigslist.org/cto/2261999381.html /this craigslist posting was forwarded to you by someone using our email-a-friend feature - if you want to prevent these, please go to: / http://www.craigslist.org/cgi-bin/te/U2FsdGVkX18xODgyODE4ONhj0CIJ1yStVZXKgPJodXoGRtFlxmfr-n08Zw4RqPtXui4dwbnUsIZu8h50cUwFDw ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] compression testing
The thread on the tick suggested compression testing and that got me to wondering about doing one. Anyone have good advice on testing an old 300D 115 normally aspirated engine? Am I correct that one must remove the injectors and use those holes for the tester? What happens with the diesel fuel that should then be shooting out all over at high pressure when one is testing? How does one stop that? I bought a compression tester a couple of years back but it is sitting in the tool box and has yet to be used. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] compression testing
Thanks guys. Good to know. Anything else you can think of that I need to know? I think I bought the spacers, shields, whatever they are called that one puts in behind the injectors so would replace them too I guess. Any likelyhood that I will have trouble getting the injectors out? I seem to recall people talking about carbon etc. Or am I confusing that with the glowplugs? When does one use the reamer doodad? Does my engine have the removable pre-combustion chambers or whatevers behind the injectors (sorry but I am not sure that is what they are called). Do I recall someone talking about slidehammers to remove? Why would one remove them?? Lots of questions and very little knowledge except for what I hear on here as this is my one and only diesel and I do not have any local friends who have done this sort of thing. Randy On 04/03/2011 12:11 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Max Dillon wrote: Randy, Very little diesel fuel will dribble out of the injector lines when cranking the engine with the fuel rack at the idle position. The injector is required at the end of that fuel line to build the pressure up for a quick high pressure spray. And if you put a mityvac on the shutoff solenoid or hold down the stop lever, there should be no fuel dripping. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT computer problem
I use a service that lets me into government databases for land titles etc. Unfortunaetly it is a bit of a dinosaur I guess. I let Java update itself to jre6u24 and that caused problems. The applet won't load. The help desk tells me, just uninstall that and revert to the previous version which is jre6u23 and all should be well. Did that but it still does not work. Neither Explorer nor Firefox seems able to see Java. Anyone have ideas? We have uninstalled and reinstalled various versions of Java and nothing seems to change the fact that it does not show up in the browers. I spent about 3 hours on the phone with a fellow on the help desk at IBM yesterday without success. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wax?
Not very do-able in Winnipeg these days. Minus 30 this morning. Even automatic car washes give up and close when it gets too cold. I ran my truck through on Wednesday as it was only minus 15 or so and it would sit in the sun long enough to dry out and not freeze solid. That is the best time to wash in winter as it then stays clean for a bit until the weather again warms up enough to make the roads messy. Randy On 23/02/2011 8:49 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: What's an automatic car wash? Do they automate the people running the hose?? Hehe. I'll take a bucket and car soap any day. Cheaper, cleaner, and no nasty crap left over. The one time I remember going through one of those touchless washes, it sprayed the entire car with this red,green,blue glop crap after the wash, let it sit for half a minute, sprayed it off, then air-knifed everything dry. Windows were streaky for a while... Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 oil filter relocation plates for sale.
I shall have to open the hood and have a look. I wonder if there is anything else in the way? Randy On 22/02/2011 8:58 PM, Dieselhead wrote: that'd work. Actually, I happen to have a 616 from a W115 240D. If there is enough interest, I could remove the filter housing and make a plate. Wouldn't be that different from what I've already done. If I made one and you were to get one of each type, you could put a W123 61X filter stand on a W115 616, and never have to deal with the arm-bath again. Walt On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Ja,but.. the OM61x engines used in the 115 have a different mount to the block. Walt is working on 616 plates for a 123 engine. Could such a plate be used to relocate the oil filter on a W115 to keep oil from running down your arm when removing the filter for oil changes? Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 oil filter relocation plates for sale.
Anyone out there happen to have a spare filter housing setup from the 123 that they would care to part with for a reasonable sum? My car is the 115 300D rather than the 240D if that makes any difference to the housing. Randy On 22/02/2011 8:58 PM, Dieselhead wrote: that'd work. Actually, I happen to have a 616 from a W115 240D. If there is enough interest, I could remove the filter housing and make a plate. Wouldn't be that different from what I've already done. If I made one and you were to get one of each type, you could put a W123 61X filter stand on a W115 616, and never have to deal with the arm-bath again. Walt On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Ja,but.. the OM61x engines used in the 115 have a different mount to the block. Walt is working on 616 plates for a 123 engine. Could such a plate be used to relocate the oil filter on a W115 to keep oil from running down your arm when removing the filter for oil changes? Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] waxed glass
That happens when one goes through the automatic car washes. The wax is sprayed everywhere. Randy On 22/02/2011 9:37 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: OK List Folk, is there someone here who does advocate waxing car windows?.. OK. There is nothing wrong with waxing all the glass except the windshield which would be foolish. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 oil filter relocation plates for sale.
OK, I'm lost in space. What exactly is being offered? If I read it right, you are making a plate that attaches to the engine in lieu of the original mount for the oil filter. I assume one would then run some form of aftermarket oil filter relocation setup to move the filter onto the inner fender. The purpose being to provide more space near the engine and perhaps to make it easier to change the oil and use a more conventional screw on filter. Did I get it right? If so, what are you recommending for the relocation kit and what filter would you run? Randy On 19/02/2011 6:20 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Hello all, As mentioned in another listmail, I'm tooling up to do a run of filter relocation plates for the OM617, for those that either want to move the stock housing or switch to a different housing/filter combination. The idea started over on the SuperTurboDiesel.com forums, in reply to my services advertisement, and there's a thread with more info and a few photo's of the prototype at the following link. http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/fs-custom-billet-oil-filter-relocation-plates-t-2281.html The short run-down is, they'll be 1/2 thick and contoured to fit, all mounting holes drilled, and with your choice of hole size and treatment for the inlet, outlet, and optionally bypass line or turbo/gauge feed ports. Price is $25 per-plate with 5.50 flat-rate shipping. Let me know if you're interested, would like more information, or if you have any other part ideas. Off or on list, doesn't matter to me. Thanks for your time and inbox space, Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM617 oil filter relocation plates for sale.
Bingo! My thoughts exactly. It is so difficult to get the stupid can back on. I think it was designed to be easy with the car on a hoist at the MB shop but it is awful to do on the ground. I am thnking spin on filter like on North American cars. What think you all of the appropriate filter? I know the adapters are available from various people like Jegs and Summit. I was more concerned with what filter would be appropriate for an old diesel. Do I need to worry about oil pressure or the viscosity issues? Do I need a filter such as would be used on a diesel pickup truck etc? Bearing in mind of course, the amount of available space under the hood. Randy On 22/02/2011 6:16 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: Could such a plate be used to relocate the oil filter on a W115 to keep oil from running down your arm when removing the filter for oil changes? Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Outsourcing
Ah, ye of little faith! Don't you want to save $$$? Randy On 10/02/2011 6:44 PM, Robert Bigham wrote: I'll bet they also have the inside track to get you the $Eleventy Zillion that were left in the bank in someone's name similar to yours. Will only cost you maybe $45K in fees/bribes to get it released to them for your benefit. Honestly, how can we view these kind of things as other than scams? Ed 11. OT - outsourcing (R A Bennell) -- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:28:41 -0600 From: R A Bennellb...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: Typing ? Transcription ? Editing ? Formatting ? Diagrams ? Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files ? Drafting Agreements ? Forms as per requirement ? Time Sheet Management ? Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications ? Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...) Cheaply and securely. The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the fellow down the block can do it. Randy -- _ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
On 11/02/2011 11:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Outsourcing can be a good thing! What if you could gain a time advantage and subsequently win in court (or whatever the market/arena is)? You give your legal team new info at 5:00 p.m. Your lawyer sends it to Australia, where the day is just beginning. They work their normal 8 hour day (which is when you are sleeping, as well as your competition), send it back, so you have a new legal document when you get up at 6 a.m. You approve it, your lawyer presents your side to the Judge at 10:00 a.m., the other side is still trying to get their brief together. Judge gets impatient, other side feels the pressure and screws up, and you win the case. Which side do YOU want to be on? -Max OR Your American lawyer sends it to Australia, where, in an effort to make a quick buck, the Australians send it to China, where some grandmother working in a hut with a dirt floor for $1 per week, works on it with her imperfect English and then sends it back via Australia. Your lawyer back in the States gets it but does not take the time to have a look at it as he is tired from working hard trying to keep up with the neighbors. He swaggers in to Court and hands it to the Judge, who has a look at it and says what kind of garbage is this? I cannot believe that a person with a law degree could be this incompetent. and throws your case out. Both you and your lawyer end up working shifts at WalMart as greeters. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Hey, for $50+ per hour, I'm in your corner. Randy On 11/02/2011 12:23 PM, E M wrote: My money would be on your discription, probably being closer to how such an outsourcing model would work in the real world. If a lawyer making $500+ per hour can't get his act together and arrive in court prepared, this isn't a lawyer you want in your corner, regardless if he runs to some dude in Australia or China for help. If your lawyer is outsourcing stuff the day before you're due in court, sorry friend, you're probably going down. hee hee Ed 300E On 11 February 2011 12:36, R A Bennellb...@mts.net wrote: On 11/02/2011 11:02 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Outsourcing can be a good thing! What if you could gain a time advantage and subsequently win in court (or whatever the market/arena is)? You give your legal team new info at 5:00 p.m. Your lawyer sends it to Australia, where the day is just beginning. They work their normal 8 hour day (which is when you are sleeping, as well as your competition), send it back, so you have a new legal document when you get up at 6 a.m. You approve it, your lawyer presents your side to the Judge at 10:00 a.m., the other side is still trying to get their brief together. Judge gets impatient, other side feels the pressure and screws up, and you win the case. Which side do YOU want to be on? -Max OR Your American lawyer sends it to Australia, where, in an effort to make a quick buck, the Australians send it to China, where some grandmother working in a hut with a dirt floor for $1 per week, works on it with her imperfect English and then sends it back via Australia. Your lawyer back in the States gets it but does not take the time to have a look at it as he is tired from working hard trying to keep up with the neighbors. He swaggers in to Court and hands it to the Judge, who has a look at it and says what kind of garbage is this? I cannot believe that a person with a law degree could be this incompetent. and throws your case out. Both you and your lawyer end up working shifts at WalMart as greeters. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 84 300D crazy heat
How is the coolant level? That sounds to me like you either have insufficient coolant or an incorrect mixture of coolant and water. Randy On 09/02/2011 10:29 PM, Mike Esh wrote: Perfect heat as I drive around town but when I get on the highway it drops down to less than 40 degrees. As soon as i slow down it bounces back to normal. I checked the heater control valve and found no rips or tears in the seal or diaphragm. I replaced the water pump and thermostat with no change. When I unplug the heater control valve I get full heat all the time. Any ideas? Would a bad fan clutch have any bearing on this problem. Thanks, Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: Typing · Transcription · Editing · Formatting · Diagrams · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files · Drafting Agreements · Forms as per requirement · Time Sheet Management · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...) Cheaply and securely. The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the fellow down the block can do it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - outsourcing
Probably data entry. Punch cards and feed, then print out and return. I knew someone who did that sort of thing here. They did not do the punch cards to my knowledge. They had a computer and places like accounting firms would create the punch cards and deliver them to my fellow who would run them through the computer and print the data out over night and have the printouts delivered the next day. He made good money. When the lease on the computer ended, he asked IBM what they wished to do with the machine. They asked him to haul it out to the dumpster. He said that hurt as he had paid them about a million dollars on the lease. Randy On 10/02/2011 5:48 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I used to work for an Indian guy from England, his family made a nice little fortune flying documents to India and getting them scanned or dealt with somehow, maybe data entry or something, then flying it all back a coupla days later. This was back in the 70s/80s and I guess it was fairly innovative. --R On 2/10/2011 4:28 PM, R A Bennell wrote: Yesterday afternoon I received an email message from someone in Lahore, Pakistan offering to do work for my law office: Typing · Transcription · Editing · Formatting · Diagrams · Working on Incorporation Documents and Annual Return files · Drafting Agreements · Forms as per requirement · Time Sheet Management · Drafting PDF into MS Word, MS Excel or other Applications · Data Entry (QBook, Simply Accounting, etc...) Cheaply and securely. The computer age is a bit scary. Pretty soon, they will be offering to haul my old car over there for a tuneup and then ship it back, cheaper than the fellow down the block can do it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!
What you SHOULD have done, is to keep the Ford as a back up vehicle. Big enough and old enough to be used somewhat informally to haul whatever. Useful when you need a vehicle while you repair one of the daily drivers or while you look for your next car after having sold your current one (which we KNOW you will do). AND of course, great on those miserable winter days when it snows or rains or whatever since it is big, sits high and has 4 wheel drive. PLUS, worth very little and not likely to depreciate a whole lot more unless it really rusts or has some major catastrophic failure. Randy n 09/02/2011 11:04 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: yea, you probably did OK. On 2/8/2011 9:12 AM, Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: You traded in the Exploder? If so, you could have got way more selling it on your own. It was an Expedition (big sucker). I don't think we could have done better, actually. It had 150,000 miles and the ABS light was on. Plus, we got them way down on the Charger and my wife was a master negotiator on the trade. We originally looked at a 2008 Charger. They wanted $16,900 (which is way too much). We got them down to $15,000 and they offered $2500 for the Expedition. I had a dealer friend of mine check the manheim auctions and the Expedition was going for $3000. We couldn't make a deal on the 08 Charger for the $250 payment my wife wanted. So, we called another dealer right from the showroom and found a 2010 for $16,900. They started falling all over themselves to make a deal. Finally they showed us the car we bought. They had it priced at $17,900. Edmunds prices it at $19,000. I think that's a little high. NADA shows $17,900. Kelly Bluebook $19,300. Also, it was a certified used. That doesn't do anything for me immeadiately because its still under factory warranty. But, it increases the powertrain warranty. Anyway, they told us they would sell it for $15,900 and give us $3000 for our Expedition. We said no. My wife was awesome. She kept saying, the payment has to be $250 a month and we won't go longer on the loan. They got it to within $8 and she still said no. We were there for almost 5 hours. Finally, they ended up selling their car for $15,900 and giving us $4400 for the expedition. I had a potential buyer for my car for $5000. But, I don't think I could have got them down their car if I didn't have a trade. Either way, we feel like we got a great deal. And most importantly, my wife is happy. When she is happy, that means she won't be so eagle-eyed about my cars. So, in other words, she has a nice car and now I can get back to my car buying/selling fun. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Awww spit...
Free or real cheap. Borrow wife's blow dryer or get your own at a garage sale. Won't get hot enough to scorch the paint on the door either. Or, get a squeeze bottle of methyl hydrate and squirt into the lock. Randy who used to have a locking gas cap on a Suburban that would freeze at inopportune times like when the tank was about empty. On 09/02/2011 11:17 AM, Max Dillon wrote: Harbor Freight + 20% off coupon 1500 watt heat-gun (assumes extension cord and outlet within reach of car). -Max From: Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Dwight Gilesdegco...@cox.net Sent: Wed, February 9, 2011 10:43:31 AM Subject: [MBZ] Awww spit... I've got to fly to Orlando in a couple hours so I figured I ought to make sure the driver's door lock on my '78 240D would work. We had some rain the other day and the thing has had a tendency to freeze anyway plus its been real cold. Went out and shot some lock stuff into the lock and then tried it, totally frozen, can't even get the key all the way in. The little door on this lock doesn't close, guess I should fix that... So I go get my torch out of the garage.Guess what, a torch thats sat in the 0F garage overnight won't light at all... So its inside warming up and I guess I'll put a butane lighter in the trunk (trunk lock works perfectly of course) so when the lock inevitable freezes up on my return I'll be ready. The butane lighter is easier to warm up under my coat than the propane torch is... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!
On 09/02/2011 4:13 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: My sister has a '05 Magnum, and it's a good runner. It burns a qt of oil every 2Kmi or so, and has done it since new. Hopefully, yours doesn't. Of course, they've most likely fixed that with the updates if it had anything to do with the design. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon So, I have to wonder if it is like the MB and only uses the oil if you fill it to the full mark? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?
It was I who brought the matter up over there. They seem to take pride in being dinosaurs. Randy On 07/02/2011 5:42 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: There has been much discussion lately over there about posting photos to their list. Its such a big deal according to the list admins there. If somebody is not that list you should point out that the okiebenz.com list allows photos, its a regular thing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is there anybody here on the Ritter list?
What really amazes me is that they appear to be proud of the fact that they have deliberately chosen to not move ahead. I suppose it may be a bit like choosing to drive a mid 70's MB diesel - eccentric to say the least. BUT as I suggested to them, photos really help to explain things in so many cases and people are often unwilling to go through the process of putting the photo on a hosting site so that they can send a link. I much prefer the way it works on here. Randy On 08/02/2011 3:54 PM, Dieselhead wrote: a bit absurd these days. Jaime -currently using 3249mb of 7549mb gmail gives me for free Uh, we are talking about the Ritterlist, so absurd is the normal description of the admin detail over there. Why would/should anyone expect anything less from them? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New Snook Car!
It is amazing how possessive a woman can get of a car. My wife has a Honda Accord. I have rarely ever driven it and she gives me a hard time if I ever ask to drive it. Randy On 07/02/2011 2:11 PM, Donald Snook wrote: Mao wrote: I think Snook loves it too. Fat chance you gonna get any seat time in that baby... Good luck... I do love it and you are right. It will definitely be her car. I have only driven it for a few miles on test drive! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Rant - Reading
If y'all want to read a good book, look for Matterhorn. Cannot recall the name of the author but can get that too if anyone needs it. A novel about the Viet Nam war and a group of Marines. Very good. I just finished it. My elder son wants to read it next. I recommended it to my younger son and his response was a somewhat sheepish look and an aw, you know I don't read books. Very sad for me as I think some of the best things in life are books. My elder son is a bit of an academic I suppose. He has a Masters Degree in Architecture and is currently an intern with an architectural firm. The younger one is a final level auto mechanic apprentice and as such much more of a hands on person. We do need both in this world but I find it hard to believe that he does not enjoy reading as most of the folks in our family are avid readers. Randy who thinks perhaps his grade school education has failed my younger son in some manner. On 04/02/2011 8:23 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Whatever happened to kids learning to read and then choosing to read a dictionary or an encyclopedia? Happens that this is my son's favorite activity! Loves history books, maps, etc. But he does go to a small private school. it's considered democratic to make sure that no student gains an unfair advantage by knowing more than the dumbest kid can absorb. Catchphrases like 'no child left behind' are thrown around, but the actual system seems more like 'no child gets ahead'. The _Marching_Morons_, anyone? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Custom upper oil pan
So, is this a transplant of some sort? Randy On 01/02/2011 5:44 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Nope, it's primary purpose is to allow starter, sway bar and front frame member clearance. Walt On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:09 PM, R A Bennellb...@mts.net wrote: So, is this a pan with an extra piece to cover the hole in the block where the rod came out? Randy On 01/02/2011 4:10 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Walt wrote: Right now, I'm finishing up machining a custom upper oil pan for the 617... Very nice - put up pictures here for us to see before it is buttoned up and after - just for grins. Do you use Inventor at work? What field of work? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Custom upper oil pan
Yes, I assume so too. I had a quick look at the photo link in one of the other postings and note the reference to V6 truck. I had a 68 Chevy C10 for a long time and often wondered if a 5 cyl MB diesel would have had sufficient power to make it usable. It came factory with the 292 inline 6 and a powerglide so was a bit of a pig on fuel. Sold it a couple of years ago so no longer a consideration really. Randy On 02/02/2011 9:42 AM, Mitch Haley wrote: R A Bennell wrote: So, is this a transplant of some sort? I think it's his Mitsubishi/Dodge/Mercedes 300D-P mini pickup. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td injector rebuild
Shouldn't be too hard to set up a propane injector into the intake manifold along with an ignitor. Start the fire under the hood - sort of a flame thrower effect - probably would not even need the glow plugs. Suspect your insurance might not be good if you burn it to the ground and the company finds out. Probably work better with diesel than gasoline. Randy On 01/02/2011 4:15 PM, Mountain Man wrote: There was a story here years ago about starting a diesel engine in the cold. It was a russian or east europe guy that would crumple up a piece of newspaper and shove it down the intake and light it and the engine would come to life. Not unlike the heat gun system - that I like. Who will design that system for W123? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Custom upper oil pan
So, is this a pan with an extra piece to cover the hole in the block where the rod came out? Randy On 01/02/2011 4:10 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Walt wrote: Right now, I'm finishing up machining a custom upper oil pan for the 617... Very nice - put up pictures here for us to see before it is buttoned up and after - just for grins. Do you use Inventor at work? What field of work? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td engine ??? Snowfall
15 cm between breakfast and lunch yesterday morning - so about 6 inches. I know it was ankle deep on the parking lot and I spent some time behind the snowblower last evening. Running out of places to put it. Randy On 28/01/2011 10:50 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Randy, you measure snow in centimeters so it always sounds worse than it really is. ;) On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:46 PM, R A Bennellb...@mts.net wrote: We must be close behind on this today. We got dumped on this morning. Of course, you can count on it melting sooner than we can. Randy in Winterpeg On 28/01/2011 3:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: A truly amazing fact is that the official 5.2 snowfall total for Washington DC (measured at DCA) was so moisture-laden that it was equivalent to 1.5 of rain. Normally, 1 of rain = 10 of snow. This was a record for precipitation for January 26! On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Walt Zarnochzarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: NYC area is mostly underground service iirc, very little above ground wiring. Walt On Jan 27, 2011 4:36 PM, andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday for once the forecasters were spot-on. Unfortunately so! The snow came barrelling in at 5 PM on the dot, following an hour of freezing rain and sleet. Although the temperatures were above freezing (33.8 deg.) the wet snow fell with such impact that it immediately began to stick on all surfaces. Tree branches already glazed with ice broke under the heavy wet snow, causing our power to fail permanently at 7:30 PM. Worst of all was the timing: middle of a non-holiday week at precisely the start of the rush hour! Folks were stranded for 12 hours (*sic*) i ntheir cars on the George Washington Parkway. Bus service ended early, and some were stuck in traffic for seeral hours. Most roadds and highways in the DC Metro area were virtual parking lots through the evening rush and beyond. In all my 35 years here I have never sen anything like it. 400K people w/o power and slow repairs anticipated. The 70 year old red maple in our back yard lost a huge limb, which crashed to earth a few inches from our back door (phew!). In my neighborhood (.5 miles from Maryland) we received only 5, although further to the west totals were around a foot. I envy NYC in a way. 19 of snow fell in Central Park but it must have been the fluffier variety because not that many people lost power. Andrew 1985 300TD under a blanket of ice and snow 1983 300TD cozy and snow free in the garage ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td engine ??? Snowfall
Never suggested you were not a believer - just provided some detail. Randy On 29/01/2011 12:57 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Ok Randy, now i am a believer! On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:08 PM, R A Bennellb...@mts.net wrote: 15 cm between breakfast and lunch yesterday morning - so about 6 inches. I know it was ankle deep on the parking lot and I spent some time behind the snowblower last evening. Running out of places to put it. Randy On 28/01/2011 10:50 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: Randy, you measure snow in centimeters so it always sounds worse than it really is. ;) On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:46 PM, R A Bennellb...@mts.net wrote: We must be close behind on this today. We got dumped on this morning. Of course, you can count on it melting sooner than we can. Randy in Winterpeg On 28/01/2011 3:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: A truly amazing fact is that the official 5.2 snowfall total for Washington DC (measured at DCA) was so moisture-laden that it was equivalent to 1.5 of rain. Normally, 1 of rain = 10 of snow. This was a record for precipitation for January 26! On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Walt Zarnochzarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: NYC area is mostly underground service iirc, very little above ground wiring. Walt On Jan 27, 2011 4:36 PM, andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday for once the forecasters were spot-on. Unfortunately so! The snow came barrelling in at 5 PM on the dot, following an hour of freezing rain and sleet. Although the temperatures were above freezing (33.8 deg.) the wet snow fell with such impact that it immediately began to stick on all surfaces. Tree branches already glazed with ice broke under the heavy wet snow, causing our power to fail permanently at 7:30 PM. Worst of all was the timing: middle of a non-holiday week at precisely the start of the rush hour! Folks were stranded for 12 hours (*sic*) i ntheir cars on the George Washington Parkway. Bus service ended early, and some were stuck in traffic for seeral hours. Most roadds and highways in the DC Metro area were virtual parking lots through the evening rush and beyond. In all my 35 years here I have never sen anything like it. 400K people w/o power and slow repairs anticipated. The 70 year old red maple in our back yard lost a huge limb, which crashed to earth a few inches from our back door (phew!). In my neighborhood (.5 miles from Maryland) we received only 5, although further to the west totals were around a foot. I envy NYC in a way. 19 of snow fell in Central Park but it must have been the fluffier variety because not that many people lost power. Andrew 1985 300TD under a blanket of ice and snow 1983 300TD cozy and snow free in the garage ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] getting it backwards again
I guess I need to read more of the postings. I miss all the drama. When I read something like this, I have to go back and figure out what happened. Randy On 28/01/2011 3:17 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: I thought it was spelled Woger. Now I am confused (again). On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:15 PM, E Mpokieba...@gmail.com wrote: This is a great group, and a group I look forward to checking in on several times a day. I like the idea that the group consisted of all different personality types. I think everyone brings something to the table, and I get a kick out of reading it all. I enjoy Roger and his contribution on newer cars and his background which is more engineer based, right through to the guys who keep their old bangers on the road with the use of duct tape and rubberbands. I think it's all great, and as different as we all are, what makes it great, is we're all Benz guys. :-) Ed 300E On 28 January 2011 13:56, Rick Knoblerickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: To: mercedes@okiebenz.com From: buymbpa...@gmail.com Good idea. Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld -Original Message- From: Craigdiese...@pisquared.net How about we call a truce on all this Dump on Roger stuff? I've had enough. Craig Agreed. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300td engine ??? Snowfall
We must be close behind on this today. We got dumped on this morning. Of course, you can count on it melting sooner than we can. Randy in Winterpeg On 28/01/2011 3:21 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: A truly amazing fact is that the official 5.2 snowfall total for Washington DC (measured at DCA) was so moisture-laden that it was equivalent to 1.5 of rain. Normally, 1 of rain = 10 of snow. This was a record for precipitation for January 26! On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Walt Zarnochzarnoch...@gmail.com wrote: NYC area is mostly underground service iirc, very little above ground wiring. Walt On Jan 27, 2011 4:36 PM, andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday for once the forecasters were spot-on. Unfortunately so! The snow came barrelling in at 5 PM on the dot, following an hour of freezing rain and sleet. Although the temperatures were above freezing (33.8 deg.) the wet snow fell with such impact that it immediately began to stick on all surfaces. Tree branches already glazed with ice broke under the heavy wet snow, causing our power to fail permanently at 7:30 PM. Worst of all was the timing: middle of a non-holiday week at precisely the start of the rush hour! Folks were stranded for 12 hours (*sic*) i ntheir cars on the George Washington Parkway. Bus service ended early, and some were stuck in traffic for seeral hours. Most roadds and highways in the DC Metro area were virtual parking lots through the evening rush and beyond. In all my 35 years here I have never sen anything like it. 400K people w/o power and slow repairs anticipated. The 70 year old red maple in our back yard lost a huge limb, which crashed to earth a few inches from our back door (phew!). In my neighborhood (.5 miles from Maryland) we received only 5, although further to the west totals were around a foot. I envy NYC in a way. 19 of snow fell in Central Park but it must have been the fluffier variety because not that many people lost power. Andrew 1985 300TD under a blanket of ice and snow 1983 300TD cozy and snow free in the garage On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't think they even bothered with real money. They just say the magic words and more money is available to spend. And the best part is, DC residents get to visit the Mint if they are short of cash.. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: Ja,but... Andrew lives in DC, the land of flowing taxpayer money. That is just a few lattes out there. That is what Andrew wanted I believe, but one kilobuck is a mite pricey, no? --R On 1/24/2011 10:34 PM, Rick Hawkins Java wrote: it that's what it is not mine, etc http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/pts/2149208652.html Mercedes 300 TD Engine only - $1000 (Ripley,WV) Date: 2011-01-07, 6:45PM EST Reply to: sale-eeb9m-2149208...@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?] I have a 1985 300TD Engine. It is in great shape , you can hear it run. Location: Ripley,WV thanks, xx rick Rick Hawkins www.javaphoto.com www.javacycles.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
No one said it was likely to be profitable. Unlikely to increase the value by doing something like that but you might keep it usable. Need to be able to DIY. Randy On 21/01/2011 7:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net writes: Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? Because a SBC is easier to find than a MBZ engine, and costs less? The engine costs less but then you have to fabricate or rig parts for the swap. This guy claimed he had $7,000 invested in the swap... and was asking $2K for the car. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. You know what is really stupid?
On first thought, one thinks that more advertising is good and that they might well benefit from the electronics stores advertising buy a big TV before the Super Bowl etc but then if one thinks about it, maybe there are things they do not wish to endorse, like, drugs, porn, prostitution etc so it becomes easier to refuse to let anyone use the name than it does to police the ones that they do not want to have associated with them. Randy On 24/01/2011 5:20 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: It is trademarked, just like Sweet Sixteen is in reference to college playoffs, and is vigorously (jealously) guarded. A gross mis-use of trademark in my view, but I've discovered I don't count for much these days Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I can understand it. SBC are very common and there are lots of good aftermarket parts to make power. Once the hood is closed, no one really knows what is under there unless you tell them. So, if you like the car but need an engine, I can see swapping to a SBC. There were kits available to put them in Jags - that was probably an improvement in most cases. If you are driving what amounts to a beater Benz, why not add some power? Esp late model Vortec engines - pretty reliable etc. Randy On 21/01/2011 9:16 AM, Rolf wrote: I dont understand why people choose to do these swaps. Put a benz engine in American car, sure. Everyone wants reliability. Stick a SBC in a benz? Why? -Rolf On 01/20/2011 08:55 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/2140790244.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone want a butchered 300D
I recall a mag article where I believe they installed the 455 cid engine and drive out of a Olds Toronado into a 911. They put together some old suitcases and cut out the back side of them to act as a cover for the engine so you could see the suitcases in the back part of the car behind the seats. Randy On 21/01/2011 3:04 PM, E M wrote: I've seen a couple of those in mags too. Not sure just what work it involved, but having owned a Chev 350, and a 911, it looks like more than a bolt in to me. The pics I've seem make it more into a mid engine car, and the rear seats are sacrificed to make room for the engine. I've also heard of guys dropping in a Subaru engine. Ed 300E On 21 January 2011 15:24, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.netwrote: I saw at a car show in Houston a guy who had fabbed up a kit to put a 350 in a 911, it fit in quite nicely. The guy said it made sense if you had a car with a blown engine (which you could find cheap), and wanted to make insane power out of the 350. --R On 1/21/2011 2:36 PM, E M wrote: A friend was thinking of shoving a Chebby engine into an old Porsche 928. Certainly lower the running costs. Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device?? One law for them and..........
The bottom line is that they know most of us can do it too but there are enough jerks and incompetents out there to make it unsafe for all of us to do so and rather than ticket the ones who are not good at it, they choose to prevent all of us from doing so. I guess it is sort of like racial profiling. Got to search everyone at the airport too even though very few white grannies blow up planes. Randy On 18/01/2011 7:53 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: So why can cops (et al) manage to drive and talk on the phone while the rest of us are classed as homicidal maniacs if we blah blah on the mobile? I know some may say they have advanced driver training but there is no law I am aware of that gives you an exemption if you have completed an advanced driver course. My money is on revenue raising, make everything illegal and it's easy to fill the coffers with the cash. Hendrik who has a CDL and quite a few miles under the wheels but is not allowed to talk on the phone and drive but can eat a sandwich, drink coffee and have a ciggy ernest breakfield wrote: the same exemption for cops (and some Emergency Services workers) to use cell phones while driving exists in at least some US states as well. the premise is that there is some information they'd rather not share on airwaves where people can listen in as easily (even though it's not as simple to listen in on many agencies with a scanner these days with all their trunking systems,...). cheers! e ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Australian floods
And, based upon what I read in the paper here this morning, it may be far from over. The normal wet period lasts until March so there are likely more storms coming. Randy On 13/01/2011 8:28 PM, Hendrik Fay wrote: Walt, Along with other countries the American government have offered to help in any way they can. The people of Queensland will be grateful for any help they can get - last reports were that the 70 cities towns have been affected, there have been 15 deaths, 61 people are still unaccounted for 8,500 people are isolated in remote towns due to the flood waters. Damage bill so far is $11billion rising. 75% of Queensland has been affected by these floods we will feel the effects of this across Oz for some time. Mines have been flooded food prices - which are high already - will escalate as a result of all the crops livestock that have been wiped out. Towns in Northern New South Wales are now being affected as the water flows down from Queensland. Hendrik I will donate what we can to help the state we are far better off than the people of Haiti, but this would have to be the worst natural disaster to ever hit this country. Fay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Australian floods
Article in the newspaper here this morning also says the folks from this area of Australia are often considered somewhat rustic so will likely be tougher and better able to cope with this mess than some might be. Randy On 13/01/2011 9:53 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I saw this clip on the news last night, a guy, his wife, and their child in a shelter. I was sorta amazed in that they looked like a typical merkin goober couple these days, she quite hefty, he somewhat skinny like a heavy smoker or meth head (or both). The woman did all the speaking, the guy just sat there making this grunting sort of acknowledgment sound every couple of seconds. Had it not been for the Aussie accent I would have sworn they were backwoods redneck crackas. I felt bad for them though, as everything they had was gone, they barely escaped with what clothes they had on. --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??
So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks?? I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic answer. Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction? The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I doubt he has to prove I was actually phoning someone. The phone company should be able to provide evidence that I was not on a call at that time but that might not be sufficient to get one off - and one would have to waste the time going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the ticket. Then the question arises - is using a digital camera instead any better? I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic devices rather than cell phones. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] fines for use of cell phone without hands free device??
Well, my car is in the garage for the duration of the cold weather so not much to do on it for a bit. I did buy a new set of H4 headlights for it and will install them come spring. May even go the route of relays and higher wattage bulbs if the H4's that I have are not a significant improvement. I have other issues too like seats that are disintegrating but again, that may have to wait for some warmer weather. I did look up the local statute and regulations to see if it will likely pose a problem to use my cell phone camera. I suspect that I may get away with it so long as I have my Bluetooth doodad on the visor so I can show an officer that I do have the ability to use it hands free. The regs say one cannot even look at or hold the phone but I am guessing that I can just tell them I was checking the battery level or checking to see if it was actually on, and will get away with it. Not sure what they might say about the camera issue. The regs do not say anything about the use of cameras but do say you cannot use a device that includes a cell phone. Randy On 13/01/2011 4:45 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Having lived for 65 years in what may be the most corrupt state in the U.S.; (Since 2000 Florida had the most, [729], federal corruption convictions of any state with second place New York far behind with only 633); we Floridians don't necessarily obey onerous laws to the letter. We find ways to avoid them. For example, a friend who is a sales rep frequently gets calls from customers while he's driving. When he was driving through counties that had the no cell phone law, he would put his cell phone between two pieces of bread and hold it up to his ear. The single time a cop stopped him, he dropped the bread slices and the cell phone on the floor and picked up a real sandwich. The conversation went something like this: You were talking on a cell phone and that is illegal while you are driving. I was eating a sandwich. Why did you have it up to your ear? So I could see where I was going. Where is the sandwich? He picked up a real sandwich which had a bite out of it. Where is your cellphone? He pretended to look for it and then retrieved it from the floor. The cop went back to his car and apparently called headquarters. You can go., said the cop. That was the only time he was stopped, and he won't have that problem again since he bought a new car which has a built-in microphone and speaker. Perhaps you can cut a hole in a slice of bread for the lens, Randy, and use your cellphone camera the same way. Of course, if you were a lawyer in Florida you would have nothing to worry about since cops never ticket lawyers unless they're blind drunk or politicians in a different party than the sheriffs or chiefs. I saw in the sheriffs list in the local paper where a woman had been arrested for carrying a concealed weapon because she had one of those little pepper spray cannisters in her purse. Interesting. Gerry Note: Actually I prefer to lurk and simply enjoy the OT and benefit from the descriptions of Mercedes fixes, but for some strange reason our old Mercedes are running well and no one has any OT to talk about. Maybe it's a good omen; or bad? From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net So, to start with, I know, I am a lawyer so why am I asking you folks?? I don't know and am wondered if any of you might know is the basic answer. Anyone actually look at the laws, regulations, whatever, that impose the fines for use of cell phones in your jurisdiction? The reason I ask is that my cell phone has a camera in it and I sometimes use it to take photos while driving if I see something interesting. It occurred to me recently, that this is probably no longer acceptable. If an officer sees me with the phone in hand, I am going to get the ticket and I doubt he has to prove I was actually phoning someone. The phone company should be able to provide evidence that I was not on a call at that time but that might not be sufficient to get one off - and one would have to waste the time going to fight the ticket which would cost more than the ticket. Then the question arises - is using a digital camera instead any better? I am guessing that the law says one is not to use electronic devices rather than cell phones. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - way OT - old washing machines
It looks as though we likely have an easy fix on my problem washer. The centre (center?) post is supposed to be tight to the tub and it was not. Never having worked on such a beast, I was not aware of that. I have sort of discovered the problem by accident while conferring with a fellow in Alberta who knows a whole lot about them. In any event, it appears that I can make myself a wrench out of a piece of pipe and tighten the doodad and we should be good to go. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Slow day on the list??
Y'all still alive out there? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - way OT - old washing machines
On 10/01/2011 5:00 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Your approach is correct. In my experience, you seldom win that first battle. You can expect the potmetal top thing to disintegrate, then you can get the pin out. a propane torch may help. You should be able to buy the new top thing. that is a common item, or it used to be at least. I had a 1980 speed queen that had the same thing. As for the rest of it, you are on the right track. Good luck. Personally, I like the old Easy because they have a high speed spinner to extract the water from the clothes. A better choice is just an old maytag automatic as a second machine. The top loading Old reliable kind that hasn't been made for about 12 years now. If you want to really go retro, get an old maytag wringer, put it on the front porch and use a Maytag gas engine to run it. Put two rockers out there, a gallon clay jug, and sit out there with a double barrel on your lap! - Thanks for your input. Reading on the internet suggests that Maytag and Speedqueen are the best of the old wringers for reliability and parts availability. I found out that one can still buy a new Speedqueen wringer that is a clone of the old ones made in about 1955 if my memory serves to be correct, now manufactured in Saudia Arabia. They are apparently so exactly the same that the new parts will fit the old ones. Parts are likely expensive, but if one wants them, that may be the price one must pay. Interesting (to me at least). I have been in touch with a fellow on another forum who has been very helpful. He has explained how to make a puller to remove the pin without hammering on it. Also a big wrench for removing the piece below it. We might just get this thing apart far enough to see why it leaks without destroying it. We have a Maytag Atlantis washer - about 5 years old - one of the last versions with the agitator I believe as now the top loaders are like the front loaders and do not have an agitator. We might decide to upgrade the primary washer and relegate the existing one to dirty duty if this one does not work out. Time will tell. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wire laundry baskets?
We have a rubbery one that is quite soft and flexible. Not sure it it was intended to be a laundry basket but is about the right size and has handles cut into it etc. Seems to work quite well. Not sure how long it will last but seems to be tougher than the hard plastic ones. Randy On 11/01/2011 3:04 PM, Allan Streib wrote: On the subject of laundry, I'm getting tired of the plastic laundry baskets that crack and fall apart in a few months. I looked on Amazon for wire laundry baskets but could not find any. Anyone know of a source for lightweight chrome or plastic-coated wire baskets that are about the size of a typical laundry basket? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT - way OT - old washing machines
Original Message Subject:OT - way OT - old washing machines Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 13:47:05 -0600 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com My good wife has decided she needs/wants an old style wringer washing machine for doing dirty jobs like rugs, rags, and my younger son's dirty work clothes (he is a mechanic). She is reluctant to put this stuff in the regular washer. We looked around and found one that looked good but is obviously old and apparently has not been used in a while. We bought it and hauled it home and have discovered an issue. It leaks like a seive (sp?). A bit of looking leads me to believe it is leaking in the middle of the tub around the hole where the agitator spindle projects up into the tub. I am hoping that whatever is in there as a seal is somewhat generic as I don't know what will be available in parts for this old beast. It is a Simplicity brand. Maybe should have held out for a Maytag or SpeedQueen based upon what I see on the net but a bit late for that now so will try to fix it. My first task is to get enough parts off that I can see the offending seal. There is an aluminum - pot metal doodad surrounding the main agitator shaft. There is a pin through it near the top. I am told it will be a tapered pin and to ensure I drive it out in the correct direction.Should not be a problem as the one side appears to have a head on it - unless it has been peened over but it does not look like that - quite evenly round etc. Then I need to get the aluminum doodad off of the shaft. I am told I need to heat it but to be careful as it may be zamac which is easy to overheat. Will use propane torch and so should be easy enough to be careful. Once I get the agitator drive off of the shaft, I should be able to see what is under it. Right now, the bottom of the agitator drive is about 3 inches in diameter and covers the whole area. Anyone got experience with this sort of thing and have any good suggestions on how to go about it? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - way OT - old washing machines
Absolutely true, but not convenient on Sunday afternoon when one is making dinner etc. She has been soaking Tom's dirty clothing in the laundry tub and rinsing and then wringing it out by hand before putting it in the washer but that is not easy. I know as I have helped wring stuff out. We maybe should have gone with a second automatic washer to do just that stuff but she wanted to try this. We won't be out a whole lot if it does not pan out. Randy On 10/01/2011 4:14 PM, Allan Streib wrote: My good wife has decided she needs/wants an old style wringer washing machine for doing dirty jobs like rugs, rags, and my younger son's dirty work clothes (he is a mechanic). She is reluctant to put this stuff in the regular washer. That's what laundromats are for! Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Crimp Tool for Timing Chain
This link shows photos and talks about the process if I recall correctly. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=203367 I have sent out 3 copies of the scan of the drawings for it to Walt, Greg and Max. Anyone else want one? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Crimp Tool for Timing Chain
I am sure that is where I got it in the first place - but a number of years back. Randy On 07/01/2011 12:20 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote: Got the plans, thanks! Kaleb should be able to override the size limit if you want to put it on the list, it's small enough that it won't implode peoples inboxes. ;) Walt On Jan 7, 2011 1:16 PM, Fmiserfmi...@gmail.com wrote: R A Bennell wrote: I have sent out 3 copies of the scan of the drawings for it to Walt, Greg and Max. Anyone else want one? Yes! I expected you to send it to the list so we could all get it. :) -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
