Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Michael Canfield]

Argh!  All this and now mine is acting up.  Light is intermittent, relay
is clicking, all glow plugs feel warm to the touch after cycling.  Was very
hard to start this morning.
  Guess I will test the glow plugs and go from there.  Due for fuel filters
and a valve adjusment as well.

Mike
On Sep 29, 2011 3:27 PM, "Michael Canfield"  wrote:

> Guess there is no arguing with accidentally doing something better than the
> factory intended.
>
> Mike
> On Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
> > 'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed
> out
> > right now to do it again. ;<))
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alex Chamberlain" 
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> >>> She replied, "Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit."
> >>> 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer.
> >>
> >> Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt
> >> buzzer as the "glow buzzer." Waiting to crank until it stops
> >> guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to
> >> worry about whether the "logic" in the relay that determines how long
> >> to turn on the idiot light is working correctly.
> >>
> >> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Peter Hertzing]

Thanks for the suggestion - but since this is my first diesel - and many
others but me drive it - (I own a limo and bus company and frequently send a
driver down the road in it to get 10 hours of rest before I show up and let
them relieve me and I drive back) I better not do anything too quirky or
someone is going to be somewhere south of the middle of nowhere and kill the
battery cranking without the benefit of glow.  I have everyone trained to
turn the ignition to the on position and then buckle there seatbelt adjust
the seat and then crank.  Seems to work.

At least know one has killed the battery yet.

Peter
On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:33 AM, David & Kristin Gilmore <
dandkgilm...@frontier.com> wrote:

> At 11:08 PM 10/1/2011, Peter wrote:
>
>> Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the
>> light
>> comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting
>> engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and
>> very
>> obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known good relay they
>> will
>> sell me?
>>
>
>
> No relay for sale here, but I posted a solution back on 11/2/10 -
> bypass the MB relay with a fender mounted starter relay of the Ford type and
> a push button dash switch.  Total cost about $20.  Still working fine on my
> 83 300 SD.
>
> Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV
>
> Art is a lie that helps us realize the truth.
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[David & Kristin Gilmore]

At 11:08 PM 10/1/2011, Peter wrote:

Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the light
comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting
engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very
obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known good relay they will
sell me?



 No relay for sale here, but I posted a solution back on 11/2/10 
- bypass the MB relay with a fender mounted starter relay of the Ford 
type and a push button dash switch.  Total cost about $20.  Still 
working fine on my 83 300 SD.


 Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV

 Art is a lie that helps us realize the truth.





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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Craig]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 23:19:34 -0500 Peter Hertzing 
wrote:

> 5  1983 300d

The spare one I have is for a 4-cylinder.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Peter Hertzing]

5  1983 300d

On 10/1/11, Craig  wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:08:35 -0500 Peter Hertzing 
> wrote:
>
>> Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the
>> light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly
>> starting engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no
>> glow - and very obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known
>> good relay they will sell me?
>
> What kind of engine? 4 or 5 cylinders?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Craig]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:08:35 -0500 Peter Hertzing 
wrote:

> Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the
> light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly
> starting engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no
> glow - and very obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known
> good relay they will sell me?

What kind of engine? 4 or 5 cylinders?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow

[Peter Hertzing]

Well - back where we were.  I now have no glow intermittently.  If the light
comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting
engine - better then ever.  If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very
obviously no glow slow start.  Anyone have a used Known good relay they will
sell me?

Peter

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Guess there is no arguing with accidentally doing something better than the
> factory intended.
>
> Mike
>  On Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
> > 'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed
> out
>
> > right now to do it again. ;<))
> >
> > Wilton
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Alex Chamberlain" 
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> >>> She replied, "Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit."
> >>> 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer.
> >>
> >> Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt
> >> buzzer as the "glow buzzer." Waiting to crank until it stops
> >> guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to
> >> worry about whether the "logic" in the relay that determines how long
> >> to turn on the idiot light is working correctly.
> >>
> >> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Michael Canfield]

Guess there is no arguing with accidentally doing something better than the
factory intended.

Mike
On Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
> 'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed out

> right now to do it again. ;<))
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Alex Chamberlain" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
>
>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON  wrote:
>>> She replied, "Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit."
>>> 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer.
>>
>> Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt
>> buzzer as the "glow buzzer." Waiting to crank until it stops
>> guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to
>> worry about whether the "logic" in the relay that determines how long
>> to turn on the idiot light is working correctly.
>>
>> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[WILTON]

'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed out 
right now to do it again.   ;<))


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Chamberlain" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update



On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON  wrote:

She replied, "Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit."
'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer.


Aha!  I'm not the only one!  I have always thought of the seatbelt
buzzer as the "glow buzzer."  Waiting to crank until it stops
guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to
worry about whether the "logic" in the relay that determines how long
to turn on the idiot light is working correctly.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON  wrote:
> She replied, "Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit."
> 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer.

Aha!  I'm not the only one!  I have always thought of the seatbelt
buzzer as the "glow buzzer."  Waiting to crank until it stops
guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to
worry about whether the "logic" in the relay that determines how long
to turn on the idiot light is working correctly.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[WILTON]

BTW, SWMBO and I have been driving MB Diesels for 32 years; several months 
ago, we had just gotten into one of the cars, and as I was starting it, I 
said something about the glow light - either it was a bit short or a bit 
long - 'don't remember.  SWMBO asked, "What glow light?"  I replied, "That 
little yellow light right there at the far, lower right corner of the 
instrument cluster - the one you were supposed to have been using for the 
last 32 years."  She replied, "Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit." 
'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer.  I replied, "Well, I guess 
that's been working pretty good for it, too.  'Just so you don't start 
grinding on the starter immediately as you insert the key."  She doesn't.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Max Dillon" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update



'zactly.
--
Max,
Charleston SC

WILTON  wrote:


'Don't really need the light.

Wilton




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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Max Dillon]

'zactly.
-- 
Max, 
Charleston SC

WILTON  wrote:

>'Don't really need the light.
>
>Wilton
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[WILTON]

'Don't really need the light.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update


Or you can just live with it.  Light is simply a timer which estimates the 
required glow time, relay keeps providing power until it reaches the 
safety time out or you start the engine.

--
Max,
Charleston SC

Jim Cathey  wrote:


Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?


The light is hooked to a temperature-sensitive timer.
Caps in the timer can age and fail, as could, I suppose,
the thermistor.  You'd be diving into the GP relay to
do component tests to diagnose it at that level.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Max Dillon]

Or you can just live with it.  Light is simply a timer which estimates the 
required glow time, relay keeps providing power until it reaches the safety 
time out or you start the engine.
-- 
Max, 
Charleston SC

Jim Cathey  wrote:

>> Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?
>
>The light is hooked to a temperature-sensitive timer.
>Caps in the timer can age and fail, as could, I suppose,
>the thermistor.  You'd be diving into the GP relay to
>do component tests to diagnose it at that level.
>
>-- Jim
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Jim Cathey]

Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?


The light is hooked to a temperature-sensitive timer.
Caps in the timer can age and fail, as could, I suppose,
the thermistor.  You'd be diving into the GP relay to
do component tests to diagnose it at that level.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Mitch Haley]

Peter Hertzing wrote:

OKay - I'm sure two of the ones I removed were shot cause with a quick test
they didn't glow at all.  I hope none of the new ones are bad - but this is
close to what it was doing before - so I have to lean towards relay.  I'll
check with an ampmeter tommorow.


Oh, I forgot. It might just be that the new ones draw more or less current than 
the old ones, that would make the current comparison circuit decide you had a 
bad plug. If you do the ammeter trick with the glow plug harness at the relay 
end you can see if they all draw the same.


If it is the relay, I'd only replace a relay for poor light function if I had 
another spare relay laying around. (assuming it still powers the plugs for about 
30 seconds, and assuming that everybody who drives the car can count to 20 or 30)


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Peter Hertzing]

OKay - I'm sure two of the ones I removed were shot cause with a quick test
they didn't glow at all.  I hope none of the new ones are bad - but this is
close to what it was doing before - so I have to lean towards relay.  I'll
check with an ampmeter tommorow.

Peter

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Mitch Haley  wrote:

> Peter Hertzing wrote:
>
> Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?
>> Otherwise starts nice and smooth.
>>
>>
> The short light cycle is supposed to tell you that the current drain to the
> plugs is not balanced. If all the plugs are new, then either one is
> defective, or you have a loose connection somewhere between the relay and
> one of the plugs, or the relay isn't quite right anymore.
>
> I discovered another reason for the short light on my W116:
> When I replaced an old mini dual terminal battery that seemed to be
> starting the car OK with a new group 49 full size battery, the glow
> indicator lamp resumed its proper function.
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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Mitch Haley]

Peter Hertzing wrote:


Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?
Otherwise starts nice and smooth.



The short light cycle is supposed to tell you that the current drain to the 
plugs is not balanced. If all the plugs are new, then either one is defective, 
or you have a loose connection somewhere between the relay and one of the plugs, 
or the relay isn't quite right anymore.


I discovered another reason for the short light on my W116:
When I replaced an old mini dual terminal battery that seemed to be starting the 
car OK with a new group 49 full size battery, the glow indicator lamp resumed 
its proper function.


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Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update

[Peter Hertzing]

When I got home from work today - I checked again and still no glow light
and no power to the glow plugs.  I hooked up a charger to the battery
although it seemed fine I have been messing around with it for a couple days
so I figured it can't hurt. Then I played with the fuse and tapped the relay
and such - and now the light comes on for about 2 seconds but It seems to be
glowing normally.
So
Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds?
Otherwise starts nice and smooth.

Thanks for all the suggestions and help

Peter

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Before you change the fuse, carefully check the wires to all the glow
> plugs.  I find often a terminal rotates when you tighten down the nut on the
> glow plug, and makes contact with the head, or other metal part.  Then when
> you turn the key on , the fuse blows, and you don't know why.  Change the
> fuse again , and it blows again.
>
>
>
>
> yes.  and it is on top of the relay correct
>>
>> On 9/28/11, Allan Streib  wrote:
>>
>>>  Peter Hertzing  writes:
>>>
>>>  what is the proper name?

>>>
>>>  Fusible link.
>>>
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