Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
Argh! All this and now mine is acting up. Light is intermittent, relay is clicking, all glow plugs feel warm to the touch after cycling. Was very hard to start this morning. Guess I will test the glow plugs and go from there. Due for fuel filters and a valve adjusment as well. Mike On Sep 29, 2011 3:27 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Guess there is no arguing with accidentally doing something better than the factory intended. Mike On Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed out right now to do it again. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: She replied, Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit. 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer. Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt buzzer as the glow buzzer. Waiting to crank until it stops guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to worry about whether the logic in the relay that determines how long to turn on the idiot light is working correctly. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow
At 11:08 PM 10/1/2011, Peter wrote: Well - back where we were. I now have no glow intermittently. If the light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting engine - better then ever. If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very obviously no glow slow start. Anyone have a used Known good relay they will sell me? No relay for sale here, but I posted a solution back on 11/2/10 - bypass the MB relay with a fender mounted starter relay of the Ford type and a push button dash switch. Total cost about $20. Still working fine on my 83 300 SD. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Art is a lie that helps us realize the truth. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow
Thanks for the suggestion - but since this is my first diesel - and many others but me drive it - (I own a limo and bus company and frequently send a driver down the road in it to get 10 hours of rest before I show up and let them relieve me and I drive back) I better not do anything too quirky or someone is going to be somewhere south of the middle of nowhere and kill the battery cranking without the benefit of glow. I have everyone trained to turn the ignition to the on position and then buckle there seatbelt adjust the seat and then crank. Seems to work. At least know one has killed the battery yet. Peter On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:33 AM, David Kristin Gilmore dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote: At 11:08 PM 10/1/2011, Peter wrote: Well - back where we were. I now have no glow intermittently. If the light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting engine - better then ever. If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very obviously no glow slow start. Anyone have a used Known good relay they will sell me? No relay for sale here, but I posted a solution back on 11/2/10 - bypass the MB relay with a fender mounted starter relay of the Ford type and a push button dash switch. Total cost about $20. Still working fine on my 83 300 SD. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Art is a lie that helps us realize the truth. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow
Well - back where we were. I now have no glow intermittently. If the light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting engine - better then ever. If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very obviously no glow slow start. Anyone have a used Known good relay they will sell me? Peter On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 2:27 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: Guess there is no arguing with accidentally doing something better than the factory intended. Mike On Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed out right now to do it again. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: She replied, Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit. 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer. Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt buzzer as the glow buzzer. Waiting to crank until it stops guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to worry about whether the logic in the relay that determines how long to turn on the idiot light is working correctly. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:08:35 -0500 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: Well - back where we were. I now have no glow intermittently. If the light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting engine - better then ever. If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very obviously no glow slow start. Anyone have a used Known good relay they will sell me? What kind of engine? 4 or 5 cylinders? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow
5 1983 300d On 10/1/11, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:08:35 -0500 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: Well - back where we were. I now have no glow intermittently. If the light comes on even for a second, I get glow and a beautifully smoothly starting engine - better then ever. If it doesnt' come on I have no glow - and very obviously no glow slow start. Anyone have a used Known good relay they will sell me? What kind of engine? 4 or 5 cylinders? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update No Light No Glow
On Sat, 1 Oct 2011 23:19:34 -0500 Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com wrote: 5 1983 300d The spare one I have is for a 4-cylinder. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
Or you can just live with it. Light is simply a timer which estimates the required glow time, relay keeps providing power until it reaches the safety time out or you start the engine. -- Max, Charleston SC Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds? The light is hooked to a temperature-sensitive timer. Caps in the timer can age and fail, as could, I suppose, the thermistor. You'd be diving into the GP relay to do component tests to diagnose it at that level. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
'Don't really need the light. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 8:21 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update Or you can just live with it. Light is simply a timer which estimates the required glow time, relay keeps providing power until it reaches the safety time out or you start the engine. -- Max, Charleston SC Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds? The light is hooked to a temperature-sensitive timer. Caps in the timer can age and fail, as could, I suppose, the thermistor. You'd be diving into the GP relay to do component tests to diagnose it at that level. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
'zactly. -- Max, Charleston SC WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Don't really need the light. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
BTW, SWMBO and I have been driving MB Diesels for 32 years; several months ago, we had just gotten into one of the cars, and as I was starting it, I said something about the glow light - either it was a bit short or a bit long - 'don't remember. SWMBO asked, What glow light? I replied, That little yellow light right there at the far, lower right corner of the instrument cluster - the one you were supposed to have been using for the last 32 years. She replied, Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit. 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer. I replied, Well, I guess that's been working pretty good for it, too. 'Just so you don't start grinding on the starter immediately as you insert the key. She doesn't. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update 'zactly. -- Max, Charleston SC WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Don't really need the light. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: She replied, Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit. 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer. Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt buzzer as the glow buzzer. Waiting to crank until it stops guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to worry about whether the logic in the relay that determines how long to turn on the idiot light is working correctly. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed out right now to do it again. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: She replied, Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit. 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer. Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt buzzer as the glow buzzer. Waiting to crank until it stops guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to worry about whether the logic in the relay that determines how long to turn on the idiot light is working correctly. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
Guess there is no arguing with accidentally doing something better than the factory intended. Mike On Sep 29, 2011 2:54 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Worked very well for SWMBO for 32 years so far; in fact, she's headed out right now to do it again. ;)) Wilton - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2011 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 9:52 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: She replied, Oh, I just wait for the buzzer to quit. 'Must've been talking about the belt buzzer. Aha! I'm not the only one! I have always thought of the seatbelt buzzer as the glow buzzer. Waiting to crank until it stops guarantees a good long glow, and, as has been noted, you don't have to worry about whether the logic in the relay that determines how long to turn on the idiot light is working correctly. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
When I got home from work today - I checked again and still no glow light and no power to the glow plugs. I hooked up a charger to the battery although it seemed fine I have been messing around with it for a couple days so I figured it can't hurt. Then I played with the fuse and tapped the relay and such - and now the light comes on for about 2 seconds but It seems to be glowing normally. So Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds? Otherwise starts nice and smooth. Thanks for all the suggestions and help Peter On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Before you change the fuse, carefully check the wires to all the glow plugs. I find often a terminal rotates when you tighten down the nut on the glow plug, and makes contact with the head, or other metal part. Then when you turn the key on , the fuse blows, and you don't know why. Change the fuse again , and it blows again. yes. and it is on top of the relay correct On 9/28/11, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Peter Hertzing phertz...@gmail.com writes: what is the proper name? Fusible link. -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
Peter Hertzing wrote: Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds? Otherwise starts nice and smooth. The short light cycle is supposed to tell you that the current drain to the plugs is not balanced. If all the plugs are new, then either one is defective, or you have a loose connection somewhere between the relay and one of the plugs, or the relay isn't quite right anymore. I discovered another reason for the short light on my W116: When I replaced an old mini dual terminal battery that seemed to be starting the car OK with a new group 49 full size battery, the glow indicator lamp resumed its proper function. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
OKay - I'm sure two of the ones I removed were shot cause with a quick test they didn't glow at all. I hope none of the new ones are bad - but this is close to what it was doing before - so I have to lean towards relay. I'll check with an ampmeter tommorow. Peter On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:46 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Peter Hertzing wrote: Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds? Otherwise starts nice and smooth. The short light cycle is supposed to tell you that the current drain to the plugs is not balanced. If all the plugs are new, then either one is defective, or you have a loose connection somewhere between the relay and one of the plugs, or the relay isn't quite right anymore. I discovered another reason for the short light on my W116: When I replaced an old mini dual terminal battery that seemed to be starting the car OK with a new group 49 full size battery, the glow indicator lamp resumed its proper function. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
Peter Hertzing wrote: OKay - I'm sure two of the ones I removed were shot cause with a quick test they didn't glow at all. I hope none of the new ones are bad - but this is close to what it was doing before - so I have to lean towards relay. I'll check with an ampmeter tommorow. Oh, I forgot. It might just be that the new ones draw more or less current than the old ones, that would make the current comparison circuit decide you had a bad plug. If you do the ammeter trick with the glow plug harness at the relay end you can see if they all draw the same. If it is the relay, I'd only replace a relay for poor light function if I had another spare relay laying around. (assuming it still powers the plugs for about 30 seconds, and assuming that everybody who drives the car can count to 20 or 30) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 1983 Glow Relay (no glow) update
Any reason the light only comes on for a few seconds? The light is hooked to a temperature-sensitive timer. Caps in the timer can age and fail, as could, I suppose, the thermistor. You'd be diving into the GP relay to do component tests to diagnose it at that level. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
