[MBZ] 240 or 420? Worth every penny -- 2003 Mercedes-Benz c-class, $1, 800

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Re: [MBZ] 240 D manny $1200

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

It’s posted at PP, too, I believe.

Either that or I saw it in a National CL search I run.

-D

> On May 17, 2018, at 2:13 PM, Ed Booher via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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> "A joy to restore"
>- Man who has obviously never worked on Mercedes-Benz before.
> 
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> In the Mercedes W123 (North America) FB group by a guy called Anton
>> Koncaba Lincoln NE
>> 
>> Selling my 82 240D, manual everything. New looking seats out of the same
>> year 300D. 272,000 miles, shows no sign of powertrain problems. Some rust
>> but mostly cosmetic, exhaust rattles and the muffler is in the trunk with
>> most of an exhaust to replace the current. Needs rear shocks but planning
>> on putting some on in a week or 2 unless a buyer is ok as is. I've been
>> using as a daily for 9 months, block heater works great. New battery in
>> Dec. Vacuum system needs all new lines. Asking $1200, shittier Pontiac's go
>> for that much. Honestly would be a great project car, just enough is wrong
>> that it'd be a joy to restore and probably wouldn't cost much. Except the
>> windshield would cost a bit, you don't notice it while driving but it's
>> delaminated in a couple spots you can see in the picture.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D manny $1200

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Sure contraire! I've always loved restoring my Mercedes.

On May 17, 2018 2:13 PM, "Ed Booher via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> "A joy to restore"
> - Man who has obviously never worked on Mercedes-Benz before.
>
> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > In the Mercedes W123 (North America) FB group by a guy called Anton
> > Koncaba Lincoln NE
> >
> > Selling my 82 240D, manual everything. New looking seats out of the same
> > year 300D. 272,000 miles, shows no sign of powertrain problems. Some rust
> > but mostly cosmetic, exhaust rattles and the muffler is in the trunk with
> > most of an exhaust to replace the current. Needs rear shocks but planning
> > on putting some on in a week or 2 unless a buyer is ok as is. I've been
> > using as a daily for 9 months, block heater works great. New battery in
> > Dec. Vacuum system needs all new lines. Asking $1200, shittier Pontiac's
> go
> > for that much. Honestly would be a great project car, just enough is
> wrong
> > that it'd be a joy to restore and probably wouldn't cost much. Except the
> > windshield would cost a bit, you don't notice it while driving but it's
> > delaminated in a couple spots you can see in the picture.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D manny $1200

[Ed Booher via Mercedes]

"A joy to restore"
- Man who has obviously never worked on Mercedes-Benz before.

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In the Mercedes W123 (North America) FB group by a guy called Anton
> Koncaba Lincoln NE
>
> Selling my 82 240D, manual everything. New looking seats out of the same
> year 300D. 272,000 miles, shows no sign of powertrain problems. Some rust
> but mostly cosmetic, exhaust rattles and the muffler is in the trunk with
> most of an exhaust to replace the current. Needs rear shocks but planning
> on putting some on in a week or 2 unless a buyer is ok as is. I've been
> using as a daily for 9 months, block heater works great. New battery in
> Dec. Vacuum system needs all new lines. Asking $1200, shittier Pontiac's go
> for that much. Honestly would be a great project car, just enough is wrong
> that it'd be a joy to restore and probably wouldn't cost much. Except the
> windshield would cost a bit, you don't notice it while driving but it's
> delaminated in a couple spots you can see in the picture.
>
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[MBZ] 240 D manny $1200

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In the Mercedes W123 (North America) FB group by a guy called Anton Koncaba 
Lincoln NE

Selling my 82 240D, manual everything. New looking seats out of the same year 
300D. 272,000 miles, shows no sign of powertrain problems. Some rust but mostly 
cosmetic, exhaust rattles and the muffler is in the trunk with most of an 
exhaust to replace the current. Needs rear shocks but planning on putting some 
on in a week or 2 unless a buyer is ok as is. I've been using as a daily for 9 
months, block heater works great. New battery in Dec. Vacuum system needs all 
new lines. Asking $1200, shittier Pontiac's go for that much. Honestly would be 
a great project car, just enough is wrong that it'd be a joy to restore and 
probably wouldn't cost much. Except the windshield would cost a bit, you don't 
notice it while driving but it's delaminated in a couple spots you can see in 
the picture.

--R
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Walker still makes some older stuff.  I was able to source a resonator for the 
300SEL from them and it was exact fit and far cheaper than anyone else.  I even 
got the production drawings for it and checked the dimensions and they matched 
the OE part exactly.  I think the price on it was like $175.00 or thereabouts.

I’m not saying they have something for a car that old, but it’s possible.  When 
I was looking for the 300SEL resonator I was surprised at the number of older 
applications they still had stuff for.

-D


> On Jul 1, 2017, at 2:23 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is probably not the right thing.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> June 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM
>> Believe it or not, Walker still makes a lot of the exhaust bits for older 
>> MBs. Not all, but some. Worth a shot to see if they have anything.
>> 
>> -D
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It is probably not the right thing.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
June 30, 2017 at 3:44 PM
Believe it or not, Walker still makes a lot of the exhaust bits for 
older MBs. Not all, but some. Worth a shot to see if they have anything.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I got mine from rockauto.  it is Bosal.


Bob via Mercedes 
June 30, 2017 at 2:49 PM
I have 1983 240D need for a resonator..Any suggestions ?
Bosal.??? FPC ?? Importec ??

Bob
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

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Straight pipe it :)
Kevin and Hillsboro OR

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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> Check both fcp and importec and go with whichever is cheaper. Check rock auto 
> also
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>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Bob via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> I have 1983 240D need for a resonator..Any suggestions  ?  
>> Bosal.??? FPC ??  Importec ??
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Check both fcp and importec and go with whichever is cheaper. Check rock auto 
also

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> On Jun 30, 2017, at 2:49 PM, Bob via Mercedes  wrote:
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> I have 1983 240D need for a resonator..Any suggestions  ?  
> Bosal.??? FPC ??  Importec ??
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Believe it or not, Walker still makes a lot of the exhaust bits for older MBs.  
Not all, but some. Worth a shot to see if they have anything.

-D


> On Jun 30, 2017, at 3:49 PM, Bob via Mercedes  wrote:
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> I have 1983 240D need for a resonator..Any suggestions  ?  
> Bosal.??? FPC ??  Importec ??
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ask tom hanson at Mb classic center.

On Jun 30, 2017 3:53 PM, "Floyd Thursby via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Would a 79 300TD work?  I have to get that car taken apart soon.

--R



On 6/30/17 3:49 PM, Bob via Mercedes wrote:

> I have 1983 240D need for a resonator..Any suggestions  ?
> Bosal.??? FPC ??  Importec ??
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Would a 79 300TD work?  I have to get that car taken apart soon.

--R


On 6/30/17 3:49 PM, Bob via Mercedes wrote:

I have 1983 240D need for a resonator..Any suggestions  ?
Bosal.??? FPC ??  Importec ??
  
  Bob

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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Resonator

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I have 1983 240D need for a resonator..Any suggestions  ?  
Bosal.??? FPC ??  Importec ??
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[clay via Mercedes]

Paul Allen, of micro$oft fame has a few

clay

> On Sep 14, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is a guy in Eagle River WI who reportedly refurbs Migs.  I saw him fly 
> one of em there.  So, apparently he is good enough that he risks his own neck 
> before he risks the customer's necks.   I can probably get somebody to find 
> contact info if ya want, or you can call the ER airport and get same.
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> September 14, 2016 at 10:00 AM
>> Haha.. I hope you understand what "MiG" stands for... "Money in Guns"...
>> take all the letters in the word AIRPLANE, move them around any way you
>> want, and it will never spell CHEAP...
>> 
>> If you thought putting a Mercedes into roadworthy status was a challenge..
>> try putting a Russian airplane back together with everything written in
>>  well.. Russian.. and taken apart in  well.. Russia... by folks who
>> really hated ... well.. Russians.. then go fly in it..
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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Did you see the episode where Clarkson brings home a jet fighter on a 
flatbed and drops it in his front yard?  Mama was not particularly 
amused, but seemed used to his, um, eccentricities.


I would do that with a MiG, put it out by the road.  There is this woman 
Annie Caroline who lives here on this island, whose husband was a pilot 
of some sort at some time in his life, maybe retired airline or 
something.  I think he died a few years ago and she moved into town 
maybe, she had a horse farm/stable/boarding place.  She is pretty 
whack.  Anyway I went over to their house one day for something, it's 
back in the woods off the road pretty far, there was a D-18 on a 
pedestal at their front gate.  I so wanted that thing... it was totally 
awesome.


--FT


On 9/14/16 11:00 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Haha.. I hope you understand what "MiG" stands for... "Money in Guns"...
take all the letters in the word AIRPLANE, move them around any way you
want, and it will never spell CHEAP...

If you thought putting a Mercedes into roadworthy status was a challenge..
try putting a Russian airplane back together with everything written in
 well.. Russian.. and taken apart in  well.. Russia... by folks who
really hated ... well.. Russians.. then go fly in it..

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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I could use wunnathem MiGs

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On 9/14/16 12:34 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:


Anyone on the list interested in a nice 48,000 mile, 4 cylinder diesel
engine complete with all accessories, including automatic transmission?

I just bought the holdings of a Polish fellow who owned 26 Mig aircraft
with some 238,000 cubic feet of spare engines and component parts which he
bought at the fall of the USSR. When Russia stopped being USSR, his
friends
and family called him up and said, "The airbase here is for sale" so
he
bought it... shipped it to USA, and has been selling off new engines and
like new Mig aircraft since then.. until he turned 84 and his wife and
family here said.. stop now.. he did.

As I worked through the layer upon layer of parts, I discovered a crate
with the engine and a load of other parts taken from the Mercedes, along
with the dash and speedo from what looks to be a very low mileage wreck,
which he gathered up while in Europe and shipped along with everything
else... The engine is Pristine clean, as the transmission, and gives every
indication it's hardly used.. The shipping docs I've found with the crate
are in Polish... so will need to translate them ASAP.

The gentleman was a WW2 veteran, fought the Nazis as a Polish resistance
fighter, wounded at 15, and a "very interesting fellow" to know..
Brilliant
yet a bit eccentric..

Just got the crate pulled out today, and the lid off.. will take some pics
ASAP if anyone is interested in owning the engine.

I also now have what looks like a completely refurbished head, with new
valves and cam.. precups, etc.. AND a used head, in "as removed condition"
.. no written history on either of them. yet discovered...

Engine is still in the crate.. will need to pull serial numbers to
determine exactly for sure what it is.. "looks like that's a 240 engine"
..
"ok" ... "lets move it to the triage area" .. "done"... That's if so far..
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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

There is a guy in Eagle River WI who reportedly refurbs Migs.  I saw him 
fly one of em there.  So, apparently he is good enough that he risks his 
own neck before he risks the customer's necks.   I can probably get 
somebody to find contact info if ya want, or you can call the ER airport 
and get same.



G Mann via Mercedes 
September 14, 2016 at 10:00 AM
Haha.. I hope you understand what "MiG" stands for... "Money in Guns"...
take all the letters in the word AIRPLANE, move them around any way you
want, and it will never spell CHEAP...

If you thought putting a Mercedes into roadworthy status was a challenge..
try putting a Russian airplane back together with everything written in
 well.. Russian.. and taken apart in  well.. Russia... by 
folks who

really hated ... well.. Russians.. then go fly in it..



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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

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Kaleb, Thanks for your interest.  It will be a few days while I get the
whole lot inventoried before I can pull the Mercedes engine out of the
crate, take pics and fill in the details as much as possible. From what I
can see so far.. sweet and clean, ASAP I'll get more details and pics.



On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:01 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I am interested, send me the details when you have them
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone on the list interested in a nice 48,000 mile, 4 cylinder diesel
> > engine complete with all accessories, including automatic transmission?
> >
> > I just bought the holdings of a Polish fellow who owned 26 Mig aircraft
> > with some 238,000 cubic feet of spare engines and component parts which
> he
> > bought at the fall of the USSR. When Russia stopped being USSR, his
> friends
> > and family called him up and said, "The airbase here is for sale" so
> he
> > bought it... shipped it to USA, and has been selling off new engines and
> > like new Mig aircraft since then.. until he turned 84 and his wife and
> > family here said.. stop now.. he did.
> >
> > As I worked through the layer upon layer of parts, I discovered a crate
> > with the engine and a load of other parts taken from the Mercedes, along
> > with the dash and speedo from what looks to be a very low mileage wreck,
> > which he gathered up while in Europe and shipped along with everything
> > else... The engine is Pristine clean, as the transmission, and gives
> every
> > indication it's hardly used.. The shipping docs I've found with the crate
> > are in Polish... so will need to translate them ASAP.
> >
> > The gentleman was a WW2 veteran, fought the Nazis as a Polish resistance
> > fighter, wounded at 15, and a "very interesting fellow" to know..
> Brilliant
> > yet a bit eccentric..
> >
> > Just got the crate pulled out today, and the lid off.. will take some
> pics
> > ASAP if anyone is interested in owning the engine.
> >
> > I also now have what looks like a completely refurbished head, with new
> > valves and cam.. precups, etc.. AND a used head, in "as removed
> condition"
> > .. no written history on either of them. yet discovered...
> >
> > Engine is still in the crate.. will need to pull serial numbers to
> > determine exactly for sure what it is.. "looks like that's a 240 engine"
> ..
> > "ok" ... "lets move it to the triage area" .. "done"... That's if so
> far..
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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Haha.. I hope you understand what "MiG" stands for... "Money in Guns"...
take all the letters in the word AIRPLANE, move them around any way you
want, and it will never spell CHEAP...

If you thought putting a Mercedes into roadworthy status was a challenge..
try putting a Russian airplane back together with everything written in
 well.. Russian.. and taken apart in  well.. Russia... by folks who
really hated ... well.. Russians.. then go fly in it..

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I could use wunnathem MiGs
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 9/14/16 12:34 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Anyone on the list interested in a nice 48,000 mile, 4 cylinder diesel
>> engine complete with all accessories, including automatic transmission?
>>
>> I just bought the holdings of a Polish fellow who owned 26 Mig aircraft
>> with some 238,000 cubic feet of spare engines and component parts which he
>> bought at the fall of the USSR. When Russia stopped being USSR, his
>> friends
>> and family called him up and said, "The airbase here is for sale" so
>> he
>> bought it... shipped it to USA, and has been selling off new engines and
>> like new Mig aircraft since then.. until he turned 84 and his wife and
>> family here said.. stop now.. he did.
>>
>> As I worked through the layer upon layer of parts, I discovered a crate
>> with the engine and a load of other parts taken from the Mercedes, along
>> with the dash and speedo from what looks to be a very low mileage wreck,
>> which he gathered up while in Europe and shipped along with everything
>> else... The engine is Pristine clean, as the transmission, and gives every
>> indication it's hardly used.. The shipping docs I've found with the crate
>> are in Polish... so will need to translate them ASAP.
>>
>> The gentleman was a WW2 veteran, fought the Nazis as a Polish resistance
>> fighter, wounded at 15, and a "very interesting fellow" to know..
>> Brilliant
>> yet a bit eccentric..
>>
>> Just got the crate pulled out today, and the lid off.. will take some pics
>> ASAP if anyone is interested in owning the engine.
>>
>> I also now have what looks like a completely refurbished head, with new
>> valves and cam.. precups, etc.. AND a used head, in "as removed condition"
>> .. no written history on either of them. yet discovered...
>>
>> Engine is still in the crate.. will need to pull serial numbers to
>> determine exactly for sure what it is.. "looks like that's a 240 engine"
>> ..
>> "ok" ... "lets move it to the triage area" .. "done"... That's if so far..
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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

What about the MiGs?

--FT


On 9/14/16 10:54 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Kaleb, Thanks for your interest.  It will be a few days while I get the
whole lot inventoried before I can pull the Mercedes engine out of the
crate, take pics and fill in the details as much as possible. From what I
can see so far.. sweet and clean, ASAP I'll get more details and pics.



On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:01 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I am interested, send me the details when you have them

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 

wrote:

Anyone on the list interested in a nice 48,000 mile, 4 cylinder diesel
engine complete with all accessories, including automatic transmission?

I just bought the holdings of a Polish fellow who owned 26 Mig aircraft
with some 238,000 cubic feet of spare engines and component parts which

he

bought at the fall of the USSR. When Russia stopped being USSR, his

friends

and family called him up and said, "The airbase here is for sale" so

he

bought it... shipped it to USA, and has been selling off new engines and
like new Mig aircraft since then.. until he turned 84 and his wife and
family here said.. stop now.. he did.

As I worked through the layer upon layer of parts, I discovered a crate
with the engine and a load of other parts taken from the Mercedes, along
with the dash and speedo from what looks to be a very low mileage wreck,
which he gathered up while in Europe and shipped along with everything
else... The engine is Pristine clean, as the transmission, and gives

every

indication it's hardly used.. The shipping docs I've found with the crate
are in Polish... so will need to translate them ASAP.

The gentleman was a WW2 veteran, fought the Nazis as a Polish resistance
fighter, wounded at 15, and a "very interesting fellow" to know..

Brilliant

yet a bit eccentric..

Just got the crate pulled out today, and the lid off.. will take some

pics

ASAP if anyone is interested in owning the engine.

I also now have what looks like a completely refurbished head, with new
valves and cam.. precups, etc.. AND a used head, in "as removed

condition"

.. no written history on either of them. yet discovered...

Engine is still in the crate.. will need to pull serial numbers to
determine exactly for sure what it is.. "looks like that's a 240 engine"

..

"ok" ... "lets move it to the triage area" .. "done"... That's if so

far..

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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I could use wunnathem MiGs

--FT


On 9/14/16 12:34 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Anyone on the list interested in a nice 48,000 mile, 4 cylinder diesel
engine complete with all accessories, including automatic transmission?

I just bought the holdings of a Polish fellow who owned 26 Mig aircraft
with some 238,000 cubic feet of spare engines and component parts which he
bought at the fall of the USSR. When Russia stopped being USSR, his friends
and family called him up and said, "The airbase here is for sale" so he
bought it... shipped it to USA, and has been selling off new engines and
like new Mig aircraft since then.. until he turned 84 and his wife and
family here said.. stop now.. he did.

As I worked through the layer upon layer of parts, I discovered a crate
with the engine and a load of other parts taken from the Mercedes, along
with the dash and speedo from what looks to be a very low mileage wreck,
which he gathered up while in Europe and shipped along with everything
else... The engine is Pristine clean, as the transmission, and gives every
indication it's hardly used.. The shipping docs I've found with the crate
are in Polish... so will need to translate them ASAP.

The gentleman was a WW2 veteran, fought the Nazis as a Polish resistance
fighter, wounded at 15, and a "very interesting fellow" to know.. Brilliant
yet a bit eccentric..

Just got the crate pulled out today, and the lid off.. will take some pics
ASAP if anyone is interested in owning the engine.

I also now have what looks like a completely refurbished head, with new
valves and cam.. precups, etc.. AND a used head, in "as removed condition"
.. no written history on either of them. yet discovered...

Engine is still in the crate.. will need to pull serial numbers to
determine exactly for sure what it is.. "looks like that's a 240 engine" ..
"ok" ... "lets move it to the triage area" .. "done"... That's if so far..
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Re: [MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I am interested, send me the details when you have them 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2016, at 11:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Anyone on the list interested in a nice 48,000 mile, 4 cylinder diesel
> engine complete with all accessories, including automatic transmission?
> 
> I just bought the holdings of a Polish fellow who owned 26 Mig aircraft
> with some 238,000 cubic feet of spare engines and component parts which he
> bought at the fall of the USSR. When Russia stopped being USSR, his friends
> and family called him up and said, "The airbase here is for sale" so he
> bought it... shipped it to USA, and has been selling off new engines and
> like new Mig aircraft since then.. until he turned 84 and his wife and
> family here said.. stop now.. he did.
> 
> As I worked through the layer upon layer of parts, I discovered a crate
> with the engine and a load of other parts taken from the Mercedes, along
> with the dash and speedo from what looks to be a very low mileage wreck,
> which he gathered up while in Europe and shipped along with everything
> else... The engine is Pristine clean, as the transmission, and gives every
> indication it's hardly used.. The shipping docs I've found with the crate
> are in Polish... so will need to translate them ASAP.
> 
> The gentleman was a WW2 veteran, fought the Nazis as a Polish resistance
> fighter, wounded at 15, and a "very interesting fellow" to know.. Brilliant
> yet a bit eccentric..
> 
> Just got the crate pulled out today, and the lid off.. will take some pics
> ASAP if anyone is interested in owning the engine.
> 
> I also now have what looks like a completely refurbished head, with new
> valves and cam.. precups, etc.. AND a used head, in "as removed condition"
> .. no written history on either of them. yet discovered...
> 
> Engine is still in the crate.. will need to pull serial numbers to
> determine exactly for sure what it is.. "looks like that's a 240 engine" ..
> "ok" ... "lets move it to the triage area" .. "done"... That's if so far..
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[MBZ] 240 Mercedes Owners

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Anyone on the list interested in a nice 48,000 mile, 4 cylinder diesel
engine complete with all accessories, including automatic transmission?

I just bought the holdings of a Polish fellow who owned 26 Mig aircraft
with some 238,000 cubic feet of spare engines and component parts which he
bought at the fall of the USSR. When Russia stopped being USSR, his friends
and family called him up and said, "The airbase here is for sale" so he
bought it... shipped it to USA, and has been selling off new engines and
like new Mig aircraft since then.. until he turned 84 and his wife and
family here said.. stop now.. he did.

As I worked through the layer upon layer of parts, I discovered a crate
with the engine and a load of other parts taken from the Mercedes, along
with the dash and speedo from what looks to be a very low mileage wreck,
which he gathered up while in Europe and shipped along with everything
else... The engine is Pristine clean, as the transmission, and gives every
indication it's hardly used.. The shipping docs I've found with the crate
are in Polish... so will need to translate them ASAP.

The gentleman was a WW2 veteran, fought the Nazis as a Polish resistance
fighter, wounded at 15, and a "very interesting fellow" to know.. Brilliant
yet a bit eccentric..

Just got the crate pulled out today, and the lid off.. will take some pics
ASAP if anyone is interested in owning the engine.

I also now have what looks like a completely refurbished head, with new
valves and cam.. precups, etc.. AND a used head, in "as removed condition"
.. no written history on either of them. yet discovered...

Engine is still in the crate.. will need to pull serial numbers to
determine exactly for sure what it is.. "looks like that's a 240 engine" ..
"ok" ... "lets move it to the triage area" .. "done"... That's if so far..
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

'In three different places on paint that LOOKED bright, shiny and in
excellent condition.

Wilton

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> > I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if
> > it
> > may have been AL.
>
> Some SL(C) hoods were aluminum, as were some SEC hoods.  Mostly not,
> I would think.  Certainly not on a 240D.  I'm thinking your sap found
> some preexisting pinholes in the paint and migrated through.  And
> the sap's hygroscopic nature also brought in water which did the
> dirty deed.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

80 240D hood.

Wilton

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> >I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if it
> > may have been AL.
> >
> > Wilton
>
> 240D hood or W140 hood?
> I think the W126 SEC had some aluminum panels.
>
> Rick Knoble
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> '87 190 DT
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Chuck Landenberger]

My '80 300SD had aluminum hood and trunk lid..  If replacement was  
necessary, only steel ones were imported to US.

Chuck

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:31 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

>> I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder  
>> recently if
>> it
>> may have been AL.
>
> Some SL(C) hoods were aluminum, as were some SEC hoods.  Mostly not,
> I would think.  Certainly not on a 240D.  I'm thinking your sap found
> some preexisting pinholes in the paint and migrated through.  And
> the sap's hygroscopic nature also brought in water which did the
> dirty deed.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Jim Cathey]

> I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if 
> it
> may have been AL.

Some SL(C) hoods were aluminum, as were some SEC hoods.  Mostly not,
I would think.  Certainly not on a 240D.  I'm thinking your sap found
some preexisting pinholes in the paint and migrated through.  And
the sap's hygroscopic nature also brought in water which did the
dirty deed.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Rick Knoble]

>I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if it
> may have been AL.
> 
> Wilton

240D hood or W140 hood? 
I think the W126 SEC had some aluminum panels.

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

I thought at the time that it was steel.  'Began to wonder recently if it
may have been AL.

Wilton

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Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots


> On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:38:03 -0400 "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > It was something that went through the paint without visible damage to
> > the paint and then ate holes in the metal hood, which I think may have
> > been aluminum - not sure.
>
> I don't know what might have caused the problem, but the hood was made of
> steel, not aluminum.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 14:38:03 -0400 "Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> It was something that went through the paint without visible damage to
> the paint and then ate holes in the metal hood, which I think may have
> been aluminum - not sure.

I don't know what might have caused the problem, but the hood was made of
steel, not aluminum.


Craig

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[MBZ] 240 hood - strange spots

[Wilton Strickland]

'Bout 15 years ago, I was washing my 80 240D one day and discovered 3 little
spots of a clear substance that I thought was terpentine (pine sap) on top
of the hood.  My thought was that wife had parked under a pine tree, which
had dripped sap onto the hood.  One spot  was ~1/4 inch dia., the others
smaller.  I didn't have any solvent handy right then, so I delayed removing
the spots.  Few days later, I had the solvent and started to remove the
"terpentine" spots, but discovered that the substance had "gone through" the
paint, i. e., the paint had taken the shape of the original spots that I saw
but appeared to be undamaged other than having taken on the raised shape of
the substance.  When I first saw the spots they were clear/colorless - I
could readily see that they were lying on the surface of the paint.  'Few
days later when I started to clean them off, the paint was on TOP of the
substance - the paint had assumed the shape of the spots!  Then, I couldn't
clean the spots off without cutting the paint away.  Because I couldn't get
to the substance without cutting holes in the paint, I delayed doing
anything.  Several months later, the hood had little holes in it where the
spots had been.  'Still like that when uninsured driver suddenly made left
turn across in front of wife coupla yrs later, totaling the 240D.  Any idea
what the substance on the hood was?  It was something that went through the
paint without visible damage to the paint and then ate holes in the metal
hood, which I think may have been aluminum - not sure.

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] 240

[R A Bennell]

So who would have thought there might be such a thing in Wichita? New York, 
Chicago, LA and no one would blink an
eye, but this is middle America. Do Hilary and Barak know

Randy in Winnipeg where it is too cold for folks to come out of the proverbial 
closet

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Randy wrote: "So, was this a gay bar?"

No. We were the only white people in the bar.  After they realized that 30-40 
of us were going to order drinks and
didn't complain when a crown and coke cost $7, they were happy to have us there.

One year, we did go to a lesbian bar.  I didn't know there was such a thing. I 
just thought gay bars were for men
or women. But, in Wichita there is a lesbian bar.  Needless to say, the female 
lawyers in their business suits and
high heels were very popular.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Donald Snook]

Randy wrote: "So, was this a gay bar?"

No. We were the only white people in the bar.  After they realized that 30-40 
of us were going to order drinks and didn't complain when a crown and coke cost 
$7, they were happy to have us there.

One year, we did go to a lesbian bar.  I didn't know there was such a thing. I 
just thought gay bars were for men or women. But, in Wichita there is a lesbian 
bar.  Needless to say, the female lawyers in their business suits and high 
heels were very popular.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 240

[R A Bennell]

So, was this a gay bar?

Randy

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Gary wrote:

"after securing the german, i walk in to dead silence.  then i ask "what the 
hell is it with these crazy white guys
and their dogs?" and the whole place falls down laughing."

That mental picture and your comments certainly made me laugh out loud!

We have a young lawyers trolly trek every year and we rent a Street Car trolley 
type vehicle with 30-40 of us. We
drive around Wichita to 3 pre-selected bars that are out of the way "dive 
bars."   Last year, we went to a bar in
the WRONG side of town.  It was like one of those movies when someone who 
doesn't belong walks in and the music
stops and everyone stares

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Donald Snook]

Gary wrote:

"after securing the german, i walk in to dead silence.  then i ask "what the 
hell is it with these crazy white guys and their dogs?" and the whole place 
falls down laughing."

That mental picture and your comments certainly made me laugh out loud!

We have a young lawyers trolly trek every year and we rent a Street Car trolley 
type vehicle with 30-40 of us. We drive around Wichita to 3 pre-selected bars 
that are out of the way "dive bars."   Last year, we went to a bar in the WRONG 
side of town.  It was like one of those movies when someone who doesn't belong 
walks in and the music stops and everyone stares

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Bill R]

Good one.
BillR

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something to indicate i am crazy in a middle aged white guy kind of way.
i'm a pretty courteous driver though.  i will drive on the sidewalk though
to get around stupidity in front of me.

i like jamaican food and in this area, no white every goes to a jamaican
place.  so we see a new one having opened up and i have to check it out.  in
my excitement to get out, i forget to secure the white german, and she
escapes from the car.

now picture this -- you are an african jamaican american black enjoying some
goat and you are watching a 500 lb old white guy with long white hair
fighting with a noisy german shepherd in the parking lot in front of you?

after securing the german, i walk in to dead silence.  then i ask "what the
hell is it with these crazy white guys and their dogs?" and the whole place
falls down laughing.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> So when you misbehave behind the wheel what stereotype are other drivers
> predicting that matches your "characteristics"?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
> > woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me
> credit
> > for it  :(
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do
> > > something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh,
> > > characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.
> > > Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I
> am
> > > 90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to
> > > acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my
> > > "---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a
> > > pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict
> stupidity
> > > before it will most likely happen.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > > she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
> > > > "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech
> is
> > > > censored in my own home and car by my kid.
> > > >
> > > > i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it
> > very
> > > > funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like
> > "woman
> > > > driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like
> that?
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Gary Hurst]

something to indicate i am crazy in a middle aged white guy kind of way.
i'm a pretty courteous driver though.  i will drive on the sidewalk though
to get around stupidity in front of me.

i like jamaican food and in this area, no white every goes to a jamaican
place.  so we see a new one having opened up and i have to check it out.  in
my excitement to get out, i forget to secure the white german, and she
escapes from the car.

now picture this -- you are an african jamaican american black enjoying some
goat and you are watching a 500 lb old white guy with long white hair
fighting with a noisy german shepherd in the parking lot in front of you?

after securing the german, i walk in to dead silence.  then i ask "what the
hell is it with these crazy white guys and their dogs?" and the whole place
falls down laughing.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2008 at 12:17 PM, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> So when you misbehave behind the wheel what stereotype are other drivers
> predicting that matches your "characteristics"?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
> > woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me
> credit
> > for it  :(
> >
> > On Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do
> > > something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh,
> > > characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.
> > > Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I
> am
> > > 90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to
> > > acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my
> > > "---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a
> > > pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict
> stupidity
> > > before it will most likely happen.
> > >
> > > --R
> > >
> > > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > > she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
> > > > "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech
> is
> > > > censored in my own home and car by my kid.
> > > >
> > > > i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it
> > very
> > > > funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like
> > "woman
> > > > driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like
> that?
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 12, 2008 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Rich Thomas]

An idiot, all-inclusive, driving either a truck or an old Benz.

Having been exposed to a LOT of really bad drivers, up around Boston 
(where you expect certain stupidities in certain situations, so you can 
be prepared) to Houston (where the stupidity is just absolutely totally 
random and much more dangerous but you can get some clues), I take great 
pains to be a good citizen on the road, and have instilled that in daughter.

--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:
> So when you misbehave behind the wheel what stereotype are other drivers
> predicting that matches your "characteristics"?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
>> woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me credit
>> for it  :(
>>
>> On Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do
>>> something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh,
>>> characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.
>>> Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I am
>>> 90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to
>>> acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my
>>> "---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a
>>> pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict stupidity
>>> before it will most likely happen.
>>>
>>> --R
>>>
>>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>   
 she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
 "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech is
 censored in my own home and car by my kid.

 i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it
 
>> very
>> 
 funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like
 
>> "woman
>> 
 driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like that?

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Re: [MBZ] 240

[R A Bennell]

Probably "old f**t"

Randy

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240


So when you misbehave behind the wheel what stereotype are other drivers
predicting that matches your "characteristics"?




On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
> woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me credit
> for it  :(
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do
> > something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh,
> > characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.
> > Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I am
> > 90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to
> > acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my
> > "---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a
> > pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict stupidity
> > before it will most likely happen.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
> > > "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech is
> > > censored in my own home and car by my kid.
> > >
> > > i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it
> very
> > > funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like
> "woman
> > > driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like that?
> > >
> > > On Feb 12, 2008 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[andrew strasfogel]

So when you misbehave behind the wheel what stereotype are other drivers
predicting that matches your "characteristics"?




On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 1:50 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
> woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me credit
> for it  :(
>
> On Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do
> > something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh,
> > characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.
> > Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I am
> > 90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to
> > acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my
> > "---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a
> > pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict stupidity
> > before it will most likely happen.
> >
> > --R
> >
> > Gary Hurst wrote:
> > > she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
> > > "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech is
> > > censored in my own home and car by my kid.
> > >
> > > i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it
> very
> > > funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like
> "woman
> > > driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like that?
> > >
> > > On Feb 12, 2008 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Gary Hurst]

yeah, i catch hell when i say "bet that car is being driven by a chinese
woman on a cellphone".  when i am right, she still will not give me credit
for it  :(

On Feb 13, 2008 9:28 AM, Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do
> something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh,
> characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.
> Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I am
> 90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to
> acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my
> "---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a
> pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict stupidity
> before it will most likely happen.
>
> --R
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
> > she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
> > "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech is
> > censored in my own home and car by my kid.
> >
> > i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it very
> > funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like "woman
> > driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like that?
> >
> > On Feb 12, 2008 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Rich Thomas]

When I drive with my daughter, we have a game.  When I see someone do 
something stupid I make a prediction of the driver's, uh, 
characteristics.  She chastises me for being "---ist" of some sort.  
Then when we get to where we can see the driver's characteristics, I am 
90+% correct in my predictions.  I then gloat, and she has to 
acknowledge begrudgingly that there might be some accuracy to my 
"---ist" stereotyping.  As she is a new driver I view this as a 
pre-emptive assessment technique that can allow one to predict stupidity 
before it will most likely happen.

--R

Gary Hurst wrote:
> she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
> "minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech is
> censored in my own home and car by my kid.
>
> i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it very
> funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like "woman
> driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like that?
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>

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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Gary Hurst]

she already is that.  she even takes offense to my using the term
"minorities" let alone some choicer words.  unbelievably, my speech is
censored in my own home and car by my kid.

i let my dad say whatever he wanted.  not only that, but i found it very
funny as a kid and still do to this day.  he'd scream stuff like "woman
driver" and "sunday driver" at people.  who the hell talks like that?

On Feb 12, 2008 8:01 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is she singing ACTUAL Japanese, or best-guess, one not behind
> fake-Japanese?
> If she is actually learning to speak Japanese from watching a cartoon,
> then
> that is an asset.
>
> Face the facts: she is turning into an accepting, diversity-loving Liberal
> like me.
>
> D.
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 6:29 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > my kid is watching this and singing along in japanese.  i think she is
> > turning into mmm  :(
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOTV9HISDrc
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[E M]

I dropped a guy a note today on the 560SEL I mentioned in an early post.
Wished him luck in getting his price, but if not, keep my email and drop me
a line in a month or two.  I'm not very good at haggling, and I'd rather
just let people figure out for themselves when they're asking too much.  I
left the door open for him to adjust his price.

Ed
300E

On 12/02/2008, Bill R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I stopped to look at an old TD yesterday.  No rust, but the paint was not
> good and the wood was separating, and it looked ratty inside.  Price on
> the
> window was $3,400 so I didn't even ask about it.  Been there for a few
> weeks, and probably will be a lot longer.
> BillR
>
>
>
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> Subject: [MBZ] 240
>
> This guy dropped the price $750 from its first listing yesterday.  If he
> keeps going, by the weekend, he may understand the current market value
> for
> such a car. lol
>
> http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/car/571840805.html
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Bill R]

I stopped to look at an old TD yesterday.  No rust, but the paint was not
good and the wood was separating, and it looked ratty inside.  Price on the
window was $3,400 so I didn't even ask about it.  Been there for a few
weeks, and probably will be a lot longer.
BillR



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This guy dropped the price $750 from its first listing yesterday.  If he
keeps going, by the weekend, he may understand the current market value for
such a car. lol

http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/car/571840805.html

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Wonko the Sane]

Is she singing ACTUAL Japanese, or best-guess, one not behind fake-Japanese?
If she is actually learning to speak Japanese from watching a cartoon, then
that is an asset.

Face the facts: she is turning into an accepting, diversity-loving Liberal
like me.

D.


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> my kid is watching this and singing along in japanese.  i think she is
> turning into mmm  :(
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOTV9HISDrc
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Gary Hurst]

my kid is watching this and singing along in japanese.  i think she is
turning into mmm  :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOTV9HISDrc

On Feb 12, 2008 7:22 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am the newer, kinder Don. No coffee for over a week now, just herbal
> tea.
>
> Next -- yoga (naw).
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 6:19 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > i tried to set one of you up for something there, but there's just no
> > point.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Wonko the Sane]

I am the newer, kinder Don. No coffee for over a week now, just herbal tea.

Next -- yoga (naw).

On Feb 12, 2008 6:19 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> i tried to set one of you up for something there, but there's just no
> point.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Gary Hurst]

i tried to set one of you up for something there, but there's just no point.

my stupid dog ate a container of salt and threw up for a long while.  dog is
just crazy, but never dull.  only the germans can make a dog like this and
then insist it is just a regular farm dog.

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> Banned would have been all over that opening.
>
> I am resisting comment since by occupation I am "kind" to the disabled.
>
> On Feb 12, 2008 6:08 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I just know there's a joke in there somewhere. hee hee
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 12/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > now my 3" stainless chiefs special is on the way to gone, so i have to
> > > carry
> > > the giant old model 19 down my pants.  this would have been a typical
> > > service pistol 50 years ago, so it's a pretty tight fit.
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Wonko the Sane]

Banned would have been all over that opening.

I am resisting comment since by occupation I am "kind" to the disabled.

On Feb 12, 2008 6:08 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I just know there's a joke in there somewhere. hee hee
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 12/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > now my 3" stainless chiefs special is on the way to gone, so i have to
> > carry
> > the giant old model 19 down my pants.  this would have been a typical
> > service pistol 50 years ago, so it's a pretty tight fit.
> >
> >
>

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Re: [MBZ] 240

[E M]

I just know there's a joke in there somewhere. hee hee

Ed
300E

On 12/02/2008, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> now my 3" stainless chiefs special is on the way to gone, so i have to
> carry
> the giant old model 19 down my pants.  this would have been a typical
> service pistol 50 years ago, so it's a pretty tight fit.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240

[Gary Hurst]

rusty insisted i give him my best .38 for his son's old diesel 240.  the gun
is $750 band new, so maybe 400 as is.

now my 3" stainless chiefs special is on the way to gone, so i have to carry
the giant old model 19 down my pants.  this would have been a typical
service pistol 50 years ago, so it's a pretty tight fit.

wonder 9s and 40s are sweet and `1911s have manly style, but there is still
something cool about an old school .38, no?

On Feb 12, 2008 4:56 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This guy dropped the price $750 from its first listing yesterday.  If he
> keeps going, by the weekend, he may understand the current market value
> for
> such a car. lol
>
> http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/car/571840805.html
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> Ed
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[MBZ] 240

[E M]

This guy dropped the price $750 from its first listing yesterday.  If he
keeps going, by the weekend, he may understand the current market value for
such a car. lol

http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/car/571840805.html

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Re: [MBZ] 240 D for sale

[Tom Hargrave]

A 72 should be a 220D.

Thanks, Tom
256-656-1924

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Subject: [MBZ] 240 D for sale

There's been a chocolate 1972 115 with a for sale sign for a few weeks
now,  
and I just now stopped for a look -- at least to give it a quick once
over and 
 get the price and copy down the phone number for anyone interested.
BTW it  
is located in Minden, NV about an hour south of Reno.  Looking at a map
it  
is due East and just down the hill from the Southshore of Lake Tahoe.
 
I saw an old sign on the floor of backset with $1200 price.  Current
price 
is $1000.
 
It looked like the guy's name is HANK  with two #s:  775 267-9534  & 775

224-0041  
 
No interest, just passin' it along
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, so is it stick, what kind of shape did it look to be in?

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> There's been a chocolate 1972 115 with a for sale sign for a few weeks now,  
> and I just now stopped for a look -- at least to give it a quick once over 
> and 
>  get the price and copy down the phone number for anyone interested.  BTW it  
> is located in Minden, NV about an hour south of Reno.  Looking at a map it  
> is due East and just down the hill from the Southshore of Lake Tahoe.
>  
> I saw an old sign on the floor of backset with $1200 price.  Current  price 
> is $1000.
>  
> It looked like the guy's name is HANK  with two #s:  775 267-9534  & 775 
> 224-0041  
>  
> No interest, just passin' it along
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[MBZ] 240 D for sale

[Motikwa]

There's been a chocolate 1972 115 with a for sale sign for a few weeks now,  
and I just now stopped for a look -- at least to give it a quick once over and 
 get the price and copy down the phone number for anyone interested.  BTW it  
is located in Minden, NV about an hour south of Reno.  Looking at a map it  
is due East and just down the hill from the Southshore of Lake Tahoe.
 
I saw an old sign on the floor of backset with $1200 price.  Current  price 
is $1000.
 
It looked like the guy's name is HANK  with two #s:  775 267-9534  & 775 
224-0041  
 
No interest, just passin' it along
 
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Re: [MBZ] 240 D Engine Question

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Wed, 15 Aug 2007 23:51:24 -0400, Bill wrote:

> What is the weight of a 240D diesel engine only. Not the tranny, a/c 
> unit,  but complete engine including alternator, starter, and the like. TIA

Dry engine weight for an OM616 is 197 kg = 434 lb.

My book did not specifically state that it was all accessories,
but usually "dry weight" is - if I remember correctly.

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[MBZ] 240 D Engine Question

[Bill Gallagher]

What is the weight of a 240D diesel engine only. Not the tranny, a/c 
unit,  but complete engine including alternator, starter, and the like. TIA

Bill
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[MBZ] 240 Marine Diesel

[Bill Gallagher]

Does anyone know if there is a conversion kit to change a 240 Diesel to 
Marine application. Found a boater who put twin 617 turbo in his boat.  TIA

Bill
1981 300 TD

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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[V Layton]

Sure, for a price.  Get all the body and interior you can, and don't worry 
too much about the mechanical, all can be serviced.  Good Luck


Vince



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:33:27 EST

Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  ) 
but

here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and it
looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of 
what i
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/ 
sunroof

 and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ? re 
books

,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle i
should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  . 
Boise

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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[OK Don]

You guys are making feel better for not buying the '70 I looked at -
it wouldn't start, and he wouldn't come down in price -- -- --

On 2/5/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:32:59 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Craig -
> > I owned a '68 Lotus Europa!  What a kick it was to drive!  When it ran,
> > of  course, which wasn't often.
>
> Mine ran OK, generally. There was the time I drove from Denver
> (Lowry AFB) to Los Angeles and back. It was fun to drive through Nevada at
> a border-to-border average speed of 105 mph.
>
> The PO had removed the thermostat, so I put one in while in LA. I stopped
> overnight on the way back, went out to the car the next, very cold
> morning, started up and drove away. After awhile, I noticed a trail of oil
> smoke behind me. I ended up having to stop every 60 - 100 miles to clean
> the fouled spark plugs.
>
> When I finally got a chance to tear it down in the Lowry Auto Hobby shop,
> I noticed one of the piston skirts had disintegrated and pieces of oil
> scraper ring were scattered around the engine, especially stuck in some
> goo near the timing chain. I was quite fortunate the engine was still
> running when I took it apart, and even more fortunate it didn't come apart
> when I was zooming across Nevada.
>
>
> > Actually, I wish I still owned that Lotus - I could probably take care
> > of it  now.  But I'd end up getting frustrated trying to keep it
> > running. Also,  everyhting was so incredibly *small*!  They must have
> > used "little" people  to assemble them at the factory!
>
> I remember working on the shifting linkage in the driver's compartment --
> that was quite a challenge.
>
>
> Craig



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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:32:59 -0500 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Craig -
> I owned a '68 Lotus Europa!  What a kick it was to drive!  When it ran,
> of  course, which wasn't often.

Mine ran OK, generally. There was the time I drove from Denver
(Lowry AFB) to Los Angeles and back. It was fun to drive through Nevada at
a border-to-border average speed of 105 mph.

The PO had removed the thermostat, so I put one in while in LA. I stopped
overnight on the way back, went out to the car the next, very cold
morning, started up and drove away. After awhile, I noticed a trail of oil
smoke behind me. I ended up having to stop every 60 - 100 miles to clean
the fouled spark plugs.

When I finally got a chance to tear it down in the Lowry Auto Hobby shop,
I noticed one of the piston skirts had disintegrated and pieces of oil
scraper ring were scattered around the engine, especially stuck in some
goo near the timing chain. I was quite fortunate the engine was still
running when I took it apart, and even more fortunate it didn't come apart
when I was zooming across Nevada.


> Actually, I wish I still owned that Lotus - I could probably take care
> of it  now.  But I'd end up getting frustrated trying to keep it
> running. Also,  everyhting was so incredibly *small*!  They must have
> used "little" people  to assemble them at the factory!

I remember working on the shifting linkage in the driver's compartment --
that was quite a challenge.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[l02turner]

Hi Craig -
I owned a '68 Lotus Europa!  What a kick it was to drive!  When it ran, of 
course, which wasn't often.


Actually, I wish I still owned that Lotus - I could probably take care of it 
now.  But I'd end up getting frustrated trying to keep it running. Also, 
everyhting was so incredibly *small*!  They must have used "little" people 
to assemble them at the factory!


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Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d



On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:00:23 -0500 Richard Murdoch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


When our 75  300D was decommission I test drove a 220D and thought there
was something wrong with it but was assured that it was just slow.


When I was in the Air Force, I had a 1969 Lotus Europa. I got tired of
unreliability and potential serious failure with the front suspension
"pins" on the chassis, so I bought a 1972 220D/8. What a change. The only
reason I kept it is because I thought my parents would be upset if I sold
it.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:00:23 -0500 Richard Murdoch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> When our 75  300D was decommission I test drove a 220D and thought there
> was something wrong with it but was assured that it was just slow.   

When I was in the Air Force, I had a 1969 Lotus Europa. I got tired of
unreliability and potential serious failure with the front suspension
"pins" on the chassis, so I bought a 1972 220D/8. What a change. The only
reason I kept it is because I thought my parents would be upset if I sold
it.



Craig

[MBZ] 240 d

[Tom Scordato]

Three years ago I bought a 1977 300D from a guy in Maine who had it for less 
han six months.  When I had test drove it I had never, never driven any 
Mercedes anywhere new or old in my life.  I fell in love with it and bought 
it.


A few reasons made me look.  I had a little extra cash that year.  I figured 
steam ships and trains went to diesel.  My mechanic said "man you drive so 
much you should get a diesel car, but only a Mercedes diesel"


I just purchased a 1979 240D with low mileage so it continues.  By the way I 
have never had either to an authorized Mercedes Benz dealership.  Much I do 
myself and with trusted mechanics.


If speed is you thing get a Porsche.  If a steady safe ride on the highway 
is your thing these cars are built for that.  They are slow up hills but 
faster than riding a bike so that is good news.  Sometimes people get 
impatient when it takes a few minutes to come up to highway speed.


Craig's list is a good source.  Monkey adds,  BigLot,   Cars.com. Autotrader 
(look for private owner listings), eBay but it is a sellers market is 
another source.  Remember if looking for low mileage, extreme claims of low 
mileage require extreme proof (maintence records showing dates and 
mileage/review title look for descrepancies), otherwise assume an odometer 
has been changed out.


Regards Tom Scordato
Bellefonte PA
1977 300D
1979 240D





























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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d



It seems like there are always loads of good cars over Seattle way. You're
kinda close...
Just keep your eyes peeled. Something will turn up and when you find
something bounce it off of us...we won't be afraid to let you know if what
your looking at is good or bad.
Cautionthis is a lifestyle change!

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d



Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  )
but
here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and 
it

looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of
what i
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/
sunroof
and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ?
re books
,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle 
i

should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  .
Boise
Idaho
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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[Brian Chase]

Hi Joe,

I actually don't have much help to offer (rather new myself) but your post 
just reminds me of where I was not long ago. We wish you the best in finding 
that 240 you desire. I found that looking on AutoTrader.com and the like 
quite useless (most are overpriced, some seemed real shady - a lot of 
dealers - and none near my home). Quite often, listers will post ads that 
they have found. A lot of them look nice, but I never did see one anywhere 
near my area. I wound up finding mine through my brother who spotted it 
while out on a walk. Just wanted to say best of luck.


Brian
83 240D


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:33:27 EST

Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  ) 
but

here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and it
looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of 
what i
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/ 
sunroof

 and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ? re 
books

,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle i
should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  . 
Boise

Idaho
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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[redghost]

I am willing to check out cars around town.  Nobody ends up buying 
them, except for Dave M., but who knows when that CL car will show up 
on the long list that needs delete keys I post every so often?



On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 09:14 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote:

It seems like there are always loads of good cars over Seattle way. 
You're

kinda close...
Just keep your eyes peeled. Something will turn up and when you find
something bounce it off of us...we won't be afraid to let you know if 
what

your looking at is good or bad.
Cautionthis is a lifestyle change!

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d


Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ? 
 )

but
here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style 
and it
looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue 
of

what i
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/
sunroof
and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles 
as
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up 
on ?

re books
,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual 
vehicle i

should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  .
Boise
Idaho
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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[Bob Rentfro]

It seems like there are always loads of good cars over Seattle way. You're 
kinda close...
Just keep your eyes peeled. Something will turn up and when you find 
something bounce it off of us...we won't be afraid to let you know if what 
your looking at is good or bad.

Cautionthis is a lifestyle change!

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 148K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 61K
Litchfield Park, AZ


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 d


Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  ) 
but

here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and it
looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of 
what i
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/ 
sunroof

and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ? 
re books

,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle i
should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  . 
Boise

Idaho
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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[Rick Knoble]

Don't worry about miles. Mine is >200,000 and probably hasn't reached
half-life.
IIRC, Someone once said that vehicle history is way more important than 
miles. If you can find a clean example that has been well maintained,with 
accurate records, mileage doesn't much matter.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD 

Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[LT Don]

You mean something like this?

http://don.homelinux.net/debdon/BenzIndex.html

As for "boning up" just read this list for a while before you buy. And don't
pay too much. Or if you want, buy one from someone on this list. We are all
honest, upstanding individuals who would not lead you astray.

[Mine is NOT for sale.]

Don't worry about miles. Mine is >200,000 and probably hasn't reached
half-life.



On 2/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  )
> but
> here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and it
> looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of
> what i
> should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/
> sunroof
> and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as
> possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ?
> re books
> ,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle i
> should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  .
> Boise
> Idaho
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Re: [MBZ] 240 d

[Landsart]

Hey  everyone , you'll quickly realize what a neophyte i am ( Naive ?  ) but 
here it goes i have always wanted a MBZ 240 D , in a 123 body style and it  
looks like this might be the year to find one ! i have'nt got a clue of what i  
should be looking for , i know what i want a 82 -83 240 D in yellow w/ sunroof 
 and complimentary interior in pristine condition with as low a miles as 
possibly  , is this doable ? any help on what i should be boning up on ? re 
books 
,  manuals , tech notes ? and what tell tale signs on the actual vehicle i 
should  look for any and all information welcomed Thanx . Joe Gomez  . Boise 
Idaho 

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[redghost]

Brian,

For some reason the 114/115 early tail lights either had metal contacts 
available to the second 5w lamp or not.  Gump came to me with no brass 
tongue thing to put power to the second bulb, so no light.


When you turn on the lights you normally twist to the right.  To 
activate fog, pull out one click, for back fog, another click or all 
the way toward you.



On Monday, January 9, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Brian Chase wrote:

Could you expand on this? I have a "Gump" too. Or is that blasphemy? 
Seriously though, I'd like to know what you mean by changing out the 
rear lamps. Which lamps specifically did you replace and what fills 
their previous function? Wait. I just found this post which answers 
that.


Redghost wrote:
there are two bulb holes in the center, above the back up light.  Only
one was powered in Gump's prior set of tail lights.  The newer lamps
have contacts in both holes.  When I turn the fogs on fully the second
bulb fires up.

Brian writes: But what type of bulb did you plug in there, and where 
did you get the alternative lamp assemblies? And what do you mean by 
turning in the fogs fully?


Brian
83 240D



changed out the rear lamps on Gump so that she would have rear fogs,
and maybe get rid of the water seeping in

On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

> Rear fog light?  Two of our MB's have them now.  (Frankenheap and 
the

> for-sale SL.)  My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled
> under the back seat.
>
> -- Jim
>



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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[David Brodbeck]

Jim Cathey wrote:
Ah! I continue to learn. The sharp top cut off is to prevent 
reflection back at the driver.



It also prevents glaring into the eyes of oncoming drivers.  Of which
most fog lights (mandatorily lit?) on newer cars are very guilty of.
I don't think they have upwards cutoffs.
  


I'd say if they don't have upward cutoffs, they're not really fog 
lights.  "Driving lights" or "auxiliary low beams," maybe.  Often the 
goal of factory lights like that is to fill in that dark hole the 
standard DOT pattern leaves just in front of the bumper.

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Jim Cathey]

Ah! I continue to learn. The sharp top cut off is to prevent 
reflection back at the driver.


It also prevents glaring into the eyes of oncoming drivers.  Of which
most fog lights (mandatorily lit?) on newer cars are very guilty of.
I don't think they have upwards cutoffs.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Jim Cathey]

Also, what's up with that feature that allows you to just turn on one 
directional lamp steady (not flashing) - one side at a time. ?


City parking in certain cow-path streets in some old European cities
mandates a parked car being lit, at least on the street side.  Half
lights draw half power, allowing the battery to live through the night.

Those are parking lights that are lit, not the turn/hazard lights.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

Could you expand on this? I have a "Gump" too. Or is that blasphemy? 
Seriously though, I'd like to know what you mean by changing out the rear 
lamps. Which lamps specifically did you replace and what fills their 
previous function? Wait. I just found this post which answers that.


Redghost wrote:
there are two bulb holes in the center, above the back up light.  Only
one was powered in Gump's prior set of tail lights.  The newer lamps
have contacts in both holes.  When I turn the fogs on fully the second
bulb fires up.

Brian writes: But what type of bulb did you plug in there, and where did you 
get the alternative lamp assemblies? And what do you mean by turning in the 
fogs fully?


Brian
83 240D



From: redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:16:01 -0800

changed out the rear lamps on Gump so that she would have rear fogs,
and maybe get rid of the water seeping in

On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

> Rear fog light?  Two of our MB's have them now.  (Frankenheap and the
> for-sale SL.)  My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled
> under the back seat.
>
> -- Jim
>

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

Ah! I continue to learn. The sharp top cut off is to prevent reflection back 
at the driver.


Also, what's up with that feature that allows you to just turn on one 
directional lamp steady (not flashing) - one side at a time. ?


Brian
83 240D


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Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 19:19:28 -0800

Brian Chase wrote:
> Very cool. I've learned something today. "sharp top cutoff" meaning
> they don't shine up into drivers' eyes, I assume. Wish I had some.

The stock Mercedes fogs, while mounted too high to be truely good fog
lights, do have that sharp cutoff.  It's interesting to look at the
pattern against a wall.  They project a wide, flat "bar" of light.  The
idea is to illuminate the road and the pavement markings directly ahead
of the car, without projecting light upwards that will be scattered by
the fog and reflected back into your eyes.

The yellow color was also once thought to reduce glare scattered by the
fog, but studies since then have found a white light works just as well.

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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[David Brodbeck]

Brian Chase wrote:
Very cool. I've learned something today. "sharp top cutoff" meaning 
they don't shine up into drivers' eyes, I assume. Wish I had some.


The stock Mercedes fogs, while mounted too high to be truely good fog 
lights, do have that sharp cutoff.  It's interesting to look at the 
pattern against a wall.  They project a wide, flat "bar" of light.  The 
idea is to illuminate the road and the pavement markings directly ahead 
of the car, without projecting light upwards that will be scattered by 
the fog and reflected back into your eyes.


The yellow color was also once thought to reduce glare scattered by the 
fog, but studies since then have found a white light works just as well.

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[redghost]

changed out the rear lamps on Gump so that she would have rear fogs, 
and maybe get rid of the water seeping in


On Sunday, January 8, 2006, at 12:14 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


Rear fog light?  Two of our MB's have them now.  (Frankenheap and the
for-sale SL.)  My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled
under the back seat.

-- Jim



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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that David wrote:

> I dunno, personally I think the dump trailers in Washington state that 
> have 12 foot long tongues are pretty weird!  I assume the weight limits 
> there must be based on length?

Kinda. It's probably because of what called "bridge law" and because
it's practical - and it's not just it WA.

Bridge law: (CAUTION: This is a super simplified version!!) The maximum
allowed gross vehicle weight in reduced if the distance between axles
is not enough. Thus a 5-axle truck/trailer is normally limited to
80,000 lbs GVW., but if it's a really short trailer it will be
overweight if the GVW is 80,000 lbs.

Practical reason. The truck can dump _without_ unhitching from the
trailer.

Philip, always happy to drive past a weight scale.

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

Very cool. I've learned something today. "sharp top cutoff" meaning they 
don't shine up into drivers' eyes, I assume. Wish I had some.


Brian



From: Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 12:19:53 -0800

> I've never actually found out: Do "fog lights" really cut through
> fog? Most of the time, they are just used to look cool.

Yes indeed they do.  And yes indeed they are.  When it's so
foggy that you find yourself rolling down your window to stick
your head out to get a bit better visibility, _that's_ when
having real fog lights (extra wide patterns with a sharp
top cutoff, and not those stupid Subaru and Dodge pickup
floodlights) can really help keep you on the road.  And
in those circumstances it can also help to be able to
turn off the headlights and run only on the fogs.  Days
when you wish you could have stayed (or already be) home.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Jim Cathey]

I've never actually found out: Do "fog lights" really cut through
fog? Most of the time, they are just used to look cool.


Yes indeed they do.  And yes indeed they are.  When it's so
foggy that you find yourself rolling down your window to stick
your head out to get a bit better visibility, _that's_ when
having real fog lights (extra wide patterns with a sharp
top cutoff, and not those stupid Subaru and Dodge pickup
floodlights) can really help keep you on the road.  And
in those circumstances it can also help to be able to
turn off the headlights and run only on the fogs.  Days
when you wish you could have stayed (or already be) home.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

Intriguing idea. The concept is that drivers behind you in adverse 
conditions (like fog or powdery snow) can see you, but they are not blinded 
by you, nor do they perceive that you are either pulled off on the shoulder, 
or heading toward them??


I've never actually found out: Do "fog lights" really cut through fog? Most 
of the time, they are just used to look cool.


Brian
83 240D



From: "Mike Canfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:16:24 -0500

My old Volvo 240 had rear fog lights.  Mike
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From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks


>> While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks
>> to get thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on
>> the road and a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble.
>> You pretty much are
>
> One trip home from college (many years ago) we were considering turning
> back because it was so bad.  Then I saw a semi turn off a mile up ahead.
> Once we'd passed that point, the night was crystal-clear and beautiful.
> It was amazing how bad just _one_ truck could make visibility when
> the conditions were wrong.  We were far enough back at times that
> I'd no idea that it was the truck doing it all.
>
>> do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind
>> you will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution
>> here. And yes, I too
>
> Rear fog light?  Two of our MB's have them now.  (Frankenheap and the
> for-sale SL.)  My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled
> under the back seat.
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

Yes! I feel ya. A very similar scenario happened to me in Tucson a few years 
ago. Only with me, we were stopped at a light. I was directly to the bus's 
right (you know, where the driver can look out that big glass door and see 
you). The light turned, we started. I forget at the moment who crossed the 
intersection first, but shortly thereafter there was a bus stop. He pulled 
on over and I was forced to brake hard to avoid getting wedged.


When I confronted him, he revealed that he DID see me, but that he thought 
he should have right of way (at least this is what I got out of his broken 
English - he said "No - I was there!!").


Not without sympathy for drivers, I turned the guy (who refused to give me 
his name) in. I'm not out to get people in trouble, but I just couldn't see 
that driver's atrocious judgement going unchecked.


Just to present the drivers' side: I have heard, and understand, complaints 
regarding bicylces being too far out in the roadway. We don't have the right 
to do that - we are required to stay as far right as we can. Also 
frustrating to drivers is passing a bicycle, only to have it pass you as you 
have to stop. This gets repeated several times.


Diesel content: At the time of my incident, my current 240D was living in 
that town, I just didn't know it yet. Or that I wanted one, since in that 
weather, one is able to commute on the bike year-round (how I long for those 
days).


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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[David Brodbeck]

Mike Canfield wrote:

My old Volvo 240 had rear fog lights.  Mike
  


I've noticed my '83 Mercedes 300D has sockets for them.

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[David Brodbeck]

Fmiser wrote:

I agree with you on the driver often getting the short stick, but...

Michigan has odd weight laws. There is _no_ GVW limit!! 
  


Yeah, that was kind of the point of the study -- that Michigan allows 
some of the heaviest trucks in the nation, and the trucking companies 
still don't follow the law.  Unfortunately, it was several years ago and 
I don't think I could track it down now.



Yup, it is a per-axle limit. That's why they have those 7-axle trailers.

Anyway, I'd be curious to know a bit more about the study if it was
pointed at MI trucks 'cause their laws are so odd.
  


I dunno, personally I think the dump trailers in Washington state that 
have 12 foot long tongues are pretty weird!  I assume the weight limits 
there must be based on length?


The worst situation for visibility is getting behind an empty 7-axle log 
truck in the rain.  (On a log truck, no load means no fenders.)

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Mike Canfield]

My old Volvo 240 had rear fog lights.  Mike
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From: "Jim Cathey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks


While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks 
to get thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on 
the road and a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble. 
You pretty much are


One trip home from college (many years ago) we were considering turning
back because it was so bad.  Then I saw a semi turn off a mile up ahead.
Once we'd passed that point, the night was crystal-clear and beautiful.
It was amazing how bad just _one_ truck could make visibility when
the conditions were wrong.  We were far enough back at times that
I'd no idea that it was the truck doing it all.

do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind 
you will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution 
here. And yes, I too


Rear fog light?  Two of our MB's have them now.  (Frankenheap and the
for-sale SL.)  My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled
under the back seat.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that David wrote:

> One study in Michigan found that half the trucks
> on the road were over the legal weight limit.

I agree with you on the driver often getting the short stick, but...

Michigan has odd weight laws. There is _no_ GVW limit!! 

Yup, it is a per-axle limit. That's why they have those 7-axle trailers.

Anyway, I'd be curious to know a bit more about the study if it was
pointed at MI trucks 'cause their laws are so odd.

Philip, who has photos of Michigan trucks to show the kids

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Brian Chase]

I certainly don't want to get into a battle between truckers and non 
truckers. I just rant on certain topics that push my buttons, and peoples' 
driving behavior is one of the biggest.


I knew we would have a healthy trucker contingent among the dieselers. God 
love 'em. In fact my very mother drives a city bus for a living, and one of 
the things she says is that nobody wants to get behind a bus, so all sorts 
of people dash out in front of her. I also see people engaging in similar 
behavior with semis. I know if I drove one for a living, I'd be absolutely 
steaming each of the 10 times that happened to me per day.


I just have a strong aversion to the sort of primal behavior that says "I'm 
bigger than you, so you'd better move." By no means is this limited to 
semis. The smaller your vehicle, the less respect you get. It's subconscious 
and automatic. It also applies to conflicts between bicycles and even the 
smallest compact.


Yes, it is smart to move out of the way of trouble, but it's pitiful to see 
the effect that different vehicles have on people. When I see some dude all 
amped-up on the sense of power that his gnarly full-size 4x4 gives him, I 
just think you know, eventually you, just like me, have to step out of your 
vehicle and plant your feet on the ground. And if someone like that gets 
aggressive with me on the roadway, I often invite them personally to do just 
that. If you can prove you're tough face to face and empty-handed, then 
you'll get my respect.


Also interesting, and enjoyable, is the range of personalities on this list. 
Some of us have run off with this thread in the direction of driving 
behaviors and the basal human causes behind them (actually that last part 
has just been me), and some have cheerfully gone on about which chassis 
types are quicker. This is why it's so fun to look at this stuff when I 
should be working.


Brian
83 240D


From: "Tom Scordato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ]  240 vs SD Go Trucks
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2006 20:51:38 -0500

Phil thanks for your view a few rebuttals and I am going to quite on this
one.



"For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total"



I have driven 40,000 to 70,000 miles a year in a car since 1984.  That puts
me close to a million miles too, much of it with trucks at my side or
breathing down my back.


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Re: [MBZ] 240 VS SD VS CD GO

[J. Scott Moncrief]

Luther:

You'll be looking at 1986 and 1987.  These were the only two model years for
the 300SDL.   The 3.5 litre 350SDL was offered in 1990 and 1991.

-Scott


On 1/8/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Very well put Dan.  I have both and feel the same way.  Though I am
looking for a late 80's SDL as my permanent road car.  The CD is a thril
to drive, and I'll never NOT own one.


--
J. Scott Moncrief - Sparta, NC
MBCA - Carolinas Section
http://web.infoave.net/~ontheriver/automobiles
1983 300SD 465Kmi HYTIDE
1986 300SDL 172 Kmi LOTIDE
1998 E320S4 105 Kmi

Re: [MBZ] 240 VS SD VS CD GO

[Luther Gulseth]

Very well put Dan.  I have both and feel the same way.  Though I am  
looking for a late 80's SDL as my permanent road car.  The CD is a thril  
to drive, and I'll never NOT own one.


On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 13:06:44 -0600, Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Go with a CD.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:48:16 -0600, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Of course, a 617.952 in a 123.133 chassis (3515lb) ought to be faster
 than a 617.951 in a 126.120 chassis (3625lb), if it's raw acceleration
 you're after. Then the 240D can be used for chassis parts.
 I prefer the 126 over the 123 though --- -- -


I'd heard things about SDs being slower than Ds being slower than
CDs, but the weights of the cars are not a whole lot different.
Although I could get away with using a coupe most of the time, I've
found I really appreciate the cavernous trunk and
stretch-out-in-the-back-seat passenger room of the SD rather
frequently, not to mention all the other chassis and interior
amenities and the bigger brakes. I find SD performance and handling
surprisingly good--it's a very well-balanced car that can be pushed
very hard, on rough, twisting roads, with confidence and comfort. For
autocrossing, you'd probably be a bit ahead with a CD. For real-life
use and road driving, though, I've found the SD to be very
satisfying--Especially since you can generally pick up one for
CHEAPER than a coupe, all else being equal.





--
Luther  KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD (Slate grey, black MBTex, WVO/D mix)
'82 300D '90 300E (both parts or can run??)

[MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Tom Scordato]

Phil thanks for your view a few rebuttals and I am going to quite on this 
one.




"For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total"



I have driven 40,000 to 70,000 miles a year in a car since 1984.  That puts 
me close to a million miles too, much of it with trucks at my side or 
breathing down my back.




"How many of those are the fault of the car? Just because a truck was
involved does _not_ mean that the truck is to blame"



Very true, but as the largest thing on the road the damage done no mater who 
is at fault is exponential compared to a car.  Even more reason these tuck 
drivers should be ultra conservative




"Yup. But there's nothing inherently dangerous about driving for 12
hours a day. And when the job pays by the mile, who would not want to
squeeze as many mile as practical"



Even if it involves staying in the left land, driving two inches from a cars 
butt, speeding and breaking many other infractions.  I disagree if it is 
like "walk with a dozen happy puppies trying to greet me" as you say Phil 
this takes major concentration especially in a truck.  The whole trucking 
philosophy / payment schedule that you are trying to push the envelope with 
a 50-ton vehicle stinks.




"One consequence is that a truck driver
is often reluctant to slow down because it can take so long to get
back up to speed. (One truck I drove, with a full load on level ground
would take more than 1.5 miles to go from 50 mph to 60 mph) Add to
that the frustration of lost momentum at the bottom of a hill that can
result in losing 4 gears on the climb rather than 1 gear - all
because an "idiot 4-wheeler" was doing something stupid"



Too bad, as a trucker that is the life you chose.  If I am a doctor I do not 
complain about blood.  If I am a professional football player I do not 
complain about getting hit. If I am a pilot I do not complain about altitude 
sickness.   Truckers should have the brains to slow down. Safety is just not 
paramount among many of them.   Trains had it worse and slower problems, be 
thankful for 55 mph.  It they get there an hour later without pushing the 
envelope that is a good thing.  Every truck regardless of what some




Phil your argument is the same I have heard for 20 years.  Trucks want the 
same thing that a two-ton car wants.  They want to pass at will, they want 
to speed, they want the same accountability as a car.  That is like asking 
an oil tanker to abide by the same rules as a sailboat.




Phil, I could go on, but my arguments are not going to convince you or your 
peers.  It is a whole different mindset/way of thinking.  Truckers think the 
country would not function with out them yet fail to realize the poor 
person, doctor , teacher, engineer, ect. matter just as much to keep this 
country going.  Difference is most of them comuting are not being paid 
directly to move up and down the road.  The vast majority of the "jerks in 
the cars"  are subsidizing the very trucking industry by paying the lions 
share of the interstate taxes for the roads most of the truckers run on.




Regards

Tom Scordato

Bellefonte PA
- Original Message - 
From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks



rumor has it that Tom wrote:


Bill R said
"almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever 
got"



Spout off time...


Now for the other side...

For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total.


The trucking industry is out of control.  The worse the
weather the faster they go.  Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to 
San

Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA  now due to accidents  which involve
trucks.


How many of those are the fault of the car? Just because a truck was
involved does _not_ mean that the truck is to blame. The view from the
drivers seat in a big truck during heavy traffic reminds me of trying
to walk with a dozen happy puppies trying to greet me. I'm afraid I'll
step on one if I try to move.


Basically a free for all.  I read US traffic from trucks has
increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of 
these

garage haulers.



From what I've seen, the quantity of dangerous drivers is much higher

in cars than it big trucks. Sure, there are maniac truck drivers. And
a 40 ton truck driven by a maniac _is_ scarier than a
maniac-driven Fiero.



Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a
day, 6 to 7 days a week


Yup. But there's nothing inherently dangerous about driving for 12
hours a day. And when the job pays by the mile, who would not want to
squeeze as many mile as practical? Add to that the nutty scheduling
that dispatches hand out,

[MBZ] 240 convert to marine

[Bill Gallagher]

Can a 240 diesel be used in a marine application  Parts are 
available to convert ??? and finally, how much HP and weight of a 240 
diesel motor?  TIA

Bill
1981 300 TD

Re: [MBZ] 240 VS SD VS CD GO

[Jim Cathey]

An 126 is not nearly as agile in the city as the 123. Feels HEAVY.


I give the agility nod to our 114/115/123 cars.  The 126 just feels
more ponderous.  And, oddly enough, so do the 107's.  In feel they
seem to have more in common with the 126.  And we have three of
them, so it's not like it's a single-sample anomaly.  I've never
driven our 201 (yet!) so it can't participate.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[BillR]

Philip - I must admit you have many good points.  
"As a closing thought, if there were 99 trucks (or cars, for that matter)
that were driving sensible and then along came 1 lunatic - would you
remember the 99, or just the 1?"   
That is quite true.  I have seen more crazy 4 wheel drivers than 18 wheel
ones, it is just that usually I can get further from the 4 wheel ones and
they seem less threatening.  In the 4 years I worked as an EMT the score was
'0' big rig drivers [and yes, they could have caused some of the 4 wheelers
to go belly up] and lots of 4 wheelers needing extrication and such.  As a
rule I agree that truckers have been the best mannered and most adept
drivers around.  If we could just get rid of the rest of them ... Big rig
and 4 wheelers both.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  EM  270k

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Fmiser
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:33 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

rumor has it that Tom wrote:

> Bill R said
> "almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever
got"
> 
> 
> Spout off time...

Now for the other side...

For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total.

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[David Brodbeck]

I find most truckers are courteous, professional drivers, and are
generally nice to  me if I'm nice to them.  (How many of you have ever
hung back to let a semi change lanes in heavy traffic?  I frequently do,
and often get a "thank you" taillight flash.)  They have a tough job and
most of them do it superbly.  It's just that the occasional bad apple
stands out, because the consequences of their actions can be so massive.

There are problems in the industry, but most of them aren't so much the
fault of the drivers, but rather companies trying to squeeze out every
last cent of profit.  One study in Michigan found that half the trucks
on the road were over the legal weight limit.

Re: [MBZ] 240 VS SD VS CD GO

[Marshall Booth]

Dan Weeks wrote:

Go with a CD.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:48:16 -0600, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Of course, a 617.952 in a 123.133 chassis (3515lb) ought to be faster
 than a 617.951 in a 126.120 chassis (3625lb), if it's raw acceleration
 you're after. Then the 240D can be used for chassis parts.
 I prefer the 126 over the 123 though --- -- -

I'd heard things about SDs being slower than Ds being slower than 
CDs, but the weights of the cars are not a whole lot different. 
Although I could get away with using a coupe most of the time, I've 
found I really appreciate the cavernous trunk and 
stretch-out-in-the-back-seat passenger room of the SD rather 
frequently, not to mention all the other chassis and interior 
amenities and the bigger brakes. I find SD performance and handling 
surprisingly good--it's a very well-balanced car that can be pushed 
very hard, on rough, twisting roads, with confidence and comfort. For 
autocrossing, you'd probably be a bit ahead with a CD. For real-life 
use and road driving, though, I've found the SD to be very 
satisfying--Especially since you can generally pick up one for 
CHEAPER than a coupe, all else being equal.




The factory rates the 123 300D turbo sedan OR coupe as 1.2 seconds 
faster (0-100 km/h) than the 126 300SD - irrespective of year or rear 
end ratio (3.07 or 2.88). Any difference between the sedan or coupe is 
within normal manufacturing variance.


An 126 is not nearly as agile in the city as the 123. Feels HEAVY.

Marshall
--
  Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 
turbo 237kmi

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Werner Fehlauer]

Amen!  I also have close to a million miles of driving, some in mid size 
trucks, but mostly in cars.  And over 5000 miles in Europe, at speed.
Without a doubt, its crazy car driving that is the worst problem on our 
roads, especially cutting in and out on the interstates and city beltways, 
OFTEN without enough clearance to safely change lanes.  When dicing with a 
big semi, that can spell disaster, with the truck getting the headlines and 
blame.
Besides a good 5 cent cigar, we really need a good driver training and 
licensing program!

Werner

- Original Message - 
From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks



rumor has it that Tom wrote:


Bill R said
"almost blown off the road by an 18 wheeler.  About as scared as I ever 
got"



Spout off time...


Now for the other side...

For reference, I have logged over 300,000 miles in a big truck. I have
driven nearly 1,000,000 total.


The trucking industry is out of control.  The worse the
weather the faster they go.  Route 80 which is a big interstate (NY to 
San

Fran) is closed almost weekly in PA  now due to accidents  which involve
trucks.


How many of those are the fault of the car? Just because a truck was
involved does _not_ mean that the truck is to blame. The view from the
drivers seat in a big truck during heavy traffic reminds me of trying
to walk with a dozen happy puppies trying to greet me. I'm afraid I'll
step on one if I try to move.


Basically a free for all.  I read US traffic from trucks has
increased 100% in the last 10 years. I have tried to talk to some of 
these

garage haulers.



From what I've seen, the quantity of dangerous drivers is much higher

in cars than it big trucks. Sure, there are maniac truck drivers. And
a 40 ton truck driven by a maniac _is_ scarier than a
maniac-driven Fiero.



Some of these guys/gals are traveling 600 to 700 miles a
day, 6 to 7 days a week


Yup. But there's nothing inherently dangerous about driving for 12
hours a day. And when the job pays by the mile, who would not want to
squeeze as many mile as practical? Add to that the nutty scheduling
that dispatches hand out, plus shippers and receivers that pay _no_
attention to the amount of wasted driver's time.

Here's a typical situation. Dispatch says "I have a 500 mile load for
you. Pick appointment is 8AM, delivery appointment is 8PM" That's
about 10 hrs of driving and 12 hr to do it. No problem! So I arrive
and check in at the shippers at 7:30. At 8:45 I'm assigned a door. At
8:50 I "bump the dock". Two pallets are loaded, but then it's 9:00 and
break time. At 9:30 they start loading again. At 10:00, the truck is
loaded, but the office is slow and it's nearly 10:30 by the time I
have the papers and am pulling out of the yard. Now I have 9.5 hours
to get there. Well, if I don't eat and there's no traffic,or bad
weather, or construction I'll be fine. I call ahead to the receiver to
see how tight the appointment is. They often say "You can't show up
more than 1 hour early, and if you're more than 15 minutes late we'll
have to reschedule you for tomorrow or the next day." Missing an
appointment is bad. Not only might I have to waste a day or more, it
could also result it penalties for me and/or the company I drive for.

I'll quickly point out that I think staying alive is worth more than 2
days wages, loosing a customer, and lost bonuses - but it is
motivation to keep moving!!!


and they drive those things like Porsches.  Big difference in rig
weighing 100,000lbs doing 80 mph and my 240D at less than two tons
doing 70 mph.


No, not like a Porsche! Trust me, a 240D with an tired engine and a
automatic transmission is _much_ quicker than a typical big truck!!
Top speed may be faster, but acceleration with a load is slw, even
with a souped-up "large car". One consequence is that a truck driver
is often reluctant to slow down because it can take so long to get
back up to speed. (One truck I drove, with a full load on level ground
would take more than 1.5 miles to go from 50 mph to 60 mph) Add to
that the frustration of lost momentum at the bottom of a hill that can
result in losing 4 gears on the climb rather than 1 gear - all
because an "idiot 4-wheeler" was doing something stupid.


 Something will need to be done about this nightmare...satellite
tracking of each truck to measure/report speed is one answer, but
how do you do you handle the three inches from your but stuff?


Let's do that to the cars. There are _lots_ more over-speed cars than
over-speed trucks.


Maybe separate roads?


Good idea.  Let the big trucks do their job and keep the jerks in the
cars away!


Only one good trucking
outfit which drives correctly that I see, 

Re: [MBZ] 240 vs SD Go Trucks

[Jim Cathey]

While I can't say they're necessarily doing anything wrong, it sucks 
to get thrown into a white-out situation when there's fresh powder on 
the road and a semi passes you. If two pass, you're in real trouble. 
You pretty much are


One trip home from college (many years ago) we were considering turning
back because it was so bad.  Then I saw a semi turn off a mile up ahead.
Once we'd passed that point, the night was crystal-clear and beautiful.
It was amazing how bad just _one_ truck could make visibility when
the conditions were wrong.  We were far enough back at times that
I'd no idea that it was the truck doing it all.

do. And you don't want to put on your blinkers, because those behind 
you will think you're pulled off on the shoulder. No good solution 
here. And yes, I too


Rear fog light?  Two of our MB's have them now.  (Frankenheap and the
for-sale SL.)  My SL has it about half-installed, the wire is coiled
under the back seat.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 240 VS SD VS CD GO

[Dan Weeks]

Go with a CD.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 10:48:16 -0600, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Of course, a 617.952 in a 123.133 chassis (3515lb) ought to be faster
 than a 617.951 in a 126.120 chassis (3625lb), if it's raw acceleration
 you're after. Then the 240D can be used for chassis parts.
 I prefer the 126 over the 123 though --- -- -

I'd heard things about SDs being slower than Ds being slower than 
CDs, but the weights of the cars are not a whole lot different. 
Although I could get away with using a coupe most of the time, I've 
found I really appreciate the cavernous trunk and 
stretch-out-in-the-back-seat passenger room of the SD rather 
frequently, not to mention all the other chassis and interior 
amenities and the bigger brakes. I find SD performance and handling 
surprisingly good--it's a very well-balanced car that can be pushed 
very hard, on rough, twisting roads, with confidence and comfort. For 
autocrossing, you'd probably be a bit ahead with a CD. For real-life 
use and road driving, though, I've found the SD to be very 
satisfying--Especially since you can generally pick up one for 
CHEAPER than a coupe, all else being equal.


--
Dan Weeks
Freelance Writing and Photography
515/279-4825
[EMAIL PROTECTED]