Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Another effect from driving it with cooler temps is the collection of water, then acids in the oil. Getting the engine up to temperature helps to evaporate the accumulating water (from combustion gasses that by-pass the rings and the atmosphere) out of the oil and crankcase. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:28 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > If the engine is run cold, it will get clogged with carbon. That > is the whole point of the italian tuneup - run the engine hard > enough it actually get hot and burns off the carbon. A cold > thermostat, or a stuck open thermostat (especially in the winter!) > will surly make it run cold - and risk overheating if not watched > closely. > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Theres been a lot of "history" tossed around thats been incorrect, some people have even suggested that I never drove the car but somehow got it after the problem developed which is totally incorrect. I wanted to remind the group again that "the problem" whatever it is, is still a relatively recent phenomena. Yes relatively recent, we're talking about nearly a 3 year saga here but the car sat with nothing happening for most of that time. The original overheat that started everything would have been December 2012, the beginning of "the problem" was April 2013 as was HeadgasketQ. I didn't touch the car from September 2013 when I got the Jetta until November 2014 when I delivered it to Dimitri. Now that I write that out, the ease that I had in starting it in November 2014 is kind of startling. I charged the battery, cleaned the occasionally sticky IP linkages (good thing too, they were stuck), held the glowplug button for 60 seconds, hit the go pedal three times, cranked for maybe 10 seconds and it was running. It wouldn't idle for another maybe 10 seconds but after that it was good. Oh, I had to add some air to the tires too and bounce against the stuck brakes (or whatever) a couple times before it would actually move... -Curt From: fmiser via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > > Mountain Man wrote: > > > > > > Why is there a hurry to do more work? > > Randy Bennell wrote: > > > > It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble > > and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem. > Curt wrote: > > Lets put this one to rest finally please. It has a history of a > head problem which was shown by overheating. Prior to the head > problems it DID NOT OVERHEAT. But the symptom - and even the email _subject_ - is overheating again, and again, and again, and again. That, by definition, is a "history of overheating". The _cause_ is yet unproven. Say all you want about no history of overheating - the complaint I keep reading is "It overheated again." NOW it DOES hava a history of overheating. Sorry! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> > > Mountain Man wrote: > > > > > > Why is there a hurry to do more work? > > Randy Bennell wrote: > > > > It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble > > and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem. > Curt wrote: > > Lets put this one to rest finally please. It has a history of a > head problem which was shown by overheating. Prior to the head > problems it DID NOT OVERHEAT. But the symptom - and even the email _subject_ - is overheating again, and again, and again, and again. That, by definition, is a "history of overheating". The _cause_ is yet unproven. Say all you want about no history of overheating - the complaint I keep reading is "It overheated again." NOW it DOES hava a history of overheating. Sorry! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Lets put this one to rest finally please. It has a history of a head problem which was shown by overheating. Prior to the head problems it DID NOT OVERHEAT. There is no long term history of overheating before the head problem. True the head problem was caused by an overheat but we know the root cause of that overheat, a radiator hose clamp broke and the coolant fell out of the engine, no mystery there. -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: Mountain Man ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2015 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info On 03/03/2015 7:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: > Why is there a hurry to do more work? > If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no > heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open > isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as > an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove > it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why > not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have > mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. > But with performance as it stands now, drive it? > mao > > It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem. If one truly wants to avoid such a catastrophe, then one probably ought not to drive it much until the issue is resolved. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Just use basic automatic gun oil or, M1 if you prefer. RB On 03/03/2015 7:13 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun? --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Any thoughts? IF we did not have your overheating problem to discuss, we would have to start another oil thread. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
On 03/03/2015 7:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: Why is there a hurry to do more work? If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. But with performance as it stands now, drive it? mao It has a history of overheating. If one is prepared to gamble and potentially sacrifice the engine, then no problem. If one truly wants to avoid such a catastrophe, then one probably ought not to drive it much until the issue is resolved. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Yes . You can easily regulate the temps to the 180 to 190 range with the cardboard. Cold running wears hard on the engine. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:41:22 -0600 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info From: mercedes@okiebenz.com Why is there a hurry to do more work? If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. > But with performance as it stands now, drive it? > mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> Mountain wrote: > > If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with > no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked > open isn't a terrible thing, is it? Yeah, it is. You could rig a variable radiator cover so you could keep the coolant temperature in the operating range - but that _is_ what the thermostat does! If the engine is run cold, it will get clogged with carbon. That is the whole point of the italian tuneup - run the engine hard enough it actually get hot and burns off the carbon. A cold thermostat, or a stuck open thermostat (especially in the winter!) will surly make it run cold - and risk overheating if not watched closely. > A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as an oil leak, is it? Not until it is too low and causing the engine to overheat. > Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove it to Maine and > back, no problem. It drives around town today, why not leave > things as they are? 'Cause fuel mileage will suffer, the oil will have extra soot load, the heater won't heat as well, and unless watched closely it could overheat and damage something. > Is there a hurry to fix? I would fix it or NOT drive it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Cold running wears hard on the engine. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 19:41:22 -0600 > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Why is there a hurry to do more work? > If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no > heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open > isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as > an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove > it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why > not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have > mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. > But with performance as it stands now, drive it? > mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sowing machine oil?(snark off) Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 20:13:31 -0500 > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun? > > --R (sent from my miniPad) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I guess there is no hurry. It's obvious that problem is getting worse as hoses get pressurized but I guess I can leave rad cap loose. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes > wrote: > > Why is there a hurry to do more work? > If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no > heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open > isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as > an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove > it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why > not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have > mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. > But with performance as it stands now, drive it? > mao > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Yes, wait for spring if you can. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 3, 2015 8:41:22 PM EST, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote: >Why is there a hurry to do more work? >If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no >heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open >isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as >an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove >it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why >not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have >mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. >But with performance as it stands now, drive it? >mao > >___ >http://www.okiebenz.com > >To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >owner has no control over the content of the messages of each >contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Here's my hot tank in action: http://youtu.be/YTb7b5Vue48 You've got to seal the exhaust manifold to the head, airtight seal. Cut up an inner tube for some rubber to put between each exhaust valve and its seat in order to seal those. Rig a plate with an air hose quick release fitting to block the output of the exhaust manifold and provide a way to pressurize the exhaust passages. Cut an old barrel in half, put a propane burner under it, fill with water, away you go. Easy pessy, test your head for cracks. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 3, 2015 3:39:14 PM EST, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't >stemming from the block? The head really did look ok. >Perhaps I take the head off and ask machine shop to check. That way I >can know for sure head is at fault. If that's confirmed then I can have >them prepare the other head I got at ChowdahQ. > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: >> >> The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's >brother got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket. >> 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and >imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The >same for the block. >> -Curt >> From: G Mann via Mercedes >> To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> >> Thoughts: >> >> I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the >> head gasket? >> >> On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of >> cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or >other >> leak path, while the head is being checked. >> >> Open once.. check twice.. >> >>> On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: >>> Dimitri.WARNING. >>> This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been >re-engineered >>> to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from >torque-to-spec to >>> torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension >and the >>> later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 >point bolts >>> are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the >block >>> threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth >fitment.Have you >>> matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. >>> >>> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. >>> >>>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 >>>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >>>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> Any thoughts? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine >with >>>>> 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head >bolts? >>>>> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that >came >>>>> with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be >placed on >>>>> old engine. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, >those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list >owner has >>> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, >those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The >list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each >contrib
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I'll sell you my custom made hot tank for testing the head? -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 On March 3, 2015 3:39:14 PM EST, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't >stemming from the block? The head really did look ok. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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EPC knows all. If the original head part number has been superseded so that the new head part number can be used on old and new engines... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '87 300TD '95 E300 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I never saw any milky oil or oily coolant... Maybe a pictoral reminder of HeadgasketQ is in order: http://s843.photobucket.com/user/curtludwig/library/HeadgasketQ?sort=3&page=1 -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info You need the services of a good machine shop equipped with the ability to do a dye check for cracks. Not all cracks are visible to the naked eye, but will open up at operation temperatures and allow a leak path.. I would want to watch the condition of each cylinder when the head is removed.. the one with the head leak may have coolant resting on the piston, or in some cases.. that piston top will be "steam cleaned" while the rest are carbon covered. Question: Do you see any water in oil indications? Milky oil? If you have that, then the possibility for a crack or cavitation hole leak path below the piston is "more likely" .. but not always... a head crack can lose coolant and that coolant can migrate down past the piston and rings.. If I had Superman Xray vision.. I would be such a better mechanic.. lol... In any case.. teardown and inspection is in order.. now you can be more directed in the investigation to find the cause. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:39 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't > stemming from the block? The head really did look ok. > Perhaps I take the head off and ask machine shop to check. That way I can > know for sure head is at fault. If that's confirmed then I can have them > prepare the other head I got at ChowdahQ. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's > brother got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket. > > 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and > imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The > same for the block. > > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > > To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > > > Thoughts: > > > > I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the > > head gasket? > > > > On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of > > cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other > > leak path, while the head is being checked. > > > > Open once.. check twice.. > > > >> On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: > >> Dimitri.WARNING. > >> This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been > re-engineered > >> to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to > >> torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and > the > >> later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point > bolts > >> are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the > block > >> threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have > you > >> matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. > >> > >> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > >> > >>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 > >>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> Any thoughts? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with > >>>> 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? > >>>> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came > >>>> with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed > on > >>>> old engine. > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okieben
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Why is there a hurry to do more work? If the engine runs hundreds of miles north to Maine and back with no heating problem, why not leave it? Thermostat being blocked open isn't a terrible thing, is it? A bit of coolant leak is not as bad as an oil leak, is it? Run it as is and watch things closely. You drove it to Maine and back, no problem. It drives around town today, why not leave things as they are? Is there a hurry to fix? When you have mayonnaise oil... yeah, then there needs to be a fix sometime soon. But with performance as it stands now, drive it? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
The best I've found is an oil called "Frog Lube" ... Read up on it.. it's wonderful stuff... Might even work in Mercedes applications such as door locks and hood latches.. It repels water and will not attract sand or dirt.. http://froglube.com/ It will keep your semi-automatic working smoothly.. in the worst conditions. [I have no stock in the company.. just use its products with satisfaction] On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun? > > --R (sent from my miniPad) > > On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: > > Any thoughts? > IF we did not have your overheating problem to discuss, we would have to > start another oil thread. > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Wha sort of oil does one use on an automatic gun? --R (sent from my miniPad) On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote: > On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: > Any thoughts? IF we did not have your overheating problem to discuss, we would have to start another oil thread. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 03/03/2015 11:08 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Any thoughts? IF we did not have your overheating problem to discuss, we would have to start another oil thread. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
You need the services of a good machine shop equipped with the ability to do a dye check for cracks. Not all cracks are visible to the naked eye, but will open up at operation temperatures and allow a leak path.. I would want to watch the condition of each cylinder when the head is removed.. the one with the head leak may have coolant resting on the piston, or in some cases.. that piston top will be "steam cleaned" while the rest are carbon covered. Question: Do you see any water in oil indications? Milky oil? If you have that, then the possibility for a crack or cavitation hole leak path below the piston is "more likely" .. but not always... a head crack can lose coolant and that coolant can migrate down past the piston and rings.. If I had Superman Xray vision.. I would be such a better mechanic.. lol... In any case.. teardown and inspection is in order.. now you can be more directed in the investigation to find the cause. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:39 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't > stemming from the block? The head really did look ok. > Perhaps I take the head off and ask machine shop to check. That way I can > know for sure head is at fault. If that's confirmed then I can have them > prepare the other head I got at ChowdahQ. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's > brother got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket. > > 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and > imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The > same for the block. > > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > > To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > > > Thoughts: > > > > I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the > > head gasket? > > > > On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of > > cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other > > leak path, while the head is being checked. > > > > Open once.. check twice.. > > > >> On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: > >> Dimitri.WARNING. > >> This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been > re-engineered > >> to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to > >> torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and > the > >> later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point > bolts > >> are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the > block > >> threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have > you > >> matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. > >> > >> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > >> > >>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 > >>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> Any thoughts? > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with > >>>> 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? > >>>> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came > >>>> with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed > on > >>>> old engine. > >> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has > >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > > > > ___ > > h
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Dimitri.I'm battling a nasty cold so my responses do not contain the clarified murk that is usually emitted.My opinion is that, if the new head matches the gasket that you are going to use, then use the old bolts, again, if they match spec.As you have said, use the old bolts on the original engine,. The new head itself should not be any different from the old head as far as hold down method is concerned.Opinions are like a fundamental orifice, everybody has one. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 16:40:39 -0500 To: fredh.s...@hotmail.com Yes but the factory manual explicit states that bolts must match engine.To quote: "Be sure always to use the same cylinder head bolt version as that installed in the old engine" My question is whether I can put a head that came from engine with newer style bolts on an engine which takes old style bolts. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I'm thinking that diagnosis is important. How do I know the leak isn't stemming from the block? The head really did look ok. Perhaps I take the head off and ask machine shop to check. That way I can know for sure head is at fault. If that's confirmed then I can have them prepare the other head I got at ChowdahQ. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2015, at 3:05 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's brother > got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket. > 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and > imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The same > for the block. > -Curt > From: G Mann via Mercedes > To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > Thoughts: > > I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the > head gasket? > > On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of > cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other > leak path, while the head is being checked. > > Open once.. check twice.. > >> On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: >> Dimitri.WARNING. >> This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered >> to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to >> torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the >> later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point bolts >> are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block >> threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you >> matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. >> >> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. >> >>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 >>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with >>>> 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? >>>> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came >>>> with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on >>>> old engine. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
The head bolts on the car are not 12 point. They are the old hex head style. According to the shop manual, I must use same style bolts that came with engine so it appears I must re-use them. My question is whether I can use them with a newer head- the one I got at ChowdahQ 2014 which I believe came from a car that took 12 point bolts. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes > wrote: > > Dimitri.WARNING. > This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered to > accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to torque > to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the later > ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point bolts are > within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block threads > thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you matched > the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. > > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > >> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 >> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 >>> point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? >>> Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with >>> such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old >>> engine. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
The head that is on it now is the head that was on it when Dwight's brother got it years ago. It has a replacement head gasket. 4 of us looked over the head carefully checking for cracks, bumps and imperfections, Fred checked it for flatness and pronounced it okay. The same for the block. -Curt From: G Mann via Mercedes To: Fred Moir ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Thoughts: I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the head gasket? On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other leak path, while the head is being checked. Open once.. check twice.. On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: > Dimitri.WARNING. > This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered > to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to > torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the > later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point bolts > are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block > threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you > matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. > > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > >> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 >> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with >> > 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? >> > Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came >> > with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on >> > old engine. >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Just the gasket On Mar 3, 2015 2:47 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" wrote: > Thoughts: > > I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the > head gasket? > > On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of > cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other > leak path, while the head is being checked. > > Open once.. check twice.. > > On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: > > Dimitri.WARNING. > > This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been > re-engineered > > to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to > > torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and > the > > later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point > bolts > > are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block > > threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have > you > > matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. > > > > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > > > >> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 > >> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > >> > >> Any thoughts? > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with > >> > 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? > >> > Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came > >> > with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed > on > >> > old engine. > >> > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has > > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Thoughts: I recall, this car had the head replaced before? Or was it just the head gasket? On removal of the head, I would inspect carefully for any evidence of cavitation, with a weep hole in a cylinder wall, block crack, or other leak path, while the head is being checked. Open once.. check twice.. On 3/3/15, Fred Moir via Mercedes wrote: > Dimitri.WARNING. > This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered > to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to > torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the > later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point bolts > are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block > threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you > matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. > > Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > >> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 >> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with >> > 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? >> > Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came >> > with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on >> > old engine. >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Dimitri.WARNING. This is just an opinion.The head probably will not have been re-engineered to accept different types of bolts.The bolts went from torque-to-spec to torque to yield. In effect the old bolts became rigid under tension and the later ones retained some "springy-ness"Provided that the used 12 point bolts are within spec and not cracked, I'd re-use them after cleaning the block threads thoroughly and hand fitting them to ensure smooth fitment.Have you matched the head/gaskets to the olde and new parts?YMMV. Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred. > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2015 12:08:48 -0500 > To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; mercedes@okiebenz.com > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > From: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Any thoughts? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > > wrote: > > > > Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 > > point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? > > Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with > > such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old > > engine. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Any thoughts? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 8:21 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 > point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? > Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with > such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Good thing you have another head... >> >> Curt >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Does anyone know if I can use cylinder head that came from engine with 12 point head bolts on an engine which uses hex cylinder head bolts? Shop manual says that hex head bolts must be used in engine that came with such bolts but unclear if head from newer engines can be placed on old engine. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 7:22 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Good thing you have another head... > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Good thing you have another head... Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Ok ya'll. Car had pressurized hoses this am. Took it for a short spin in town, temp remained cool. Popped hood, remove rad cap, revved engine and for the first time ever- bubbles in coolant! Yay, actually, CRAP! In my opinion car has a head issue! Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:45 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and >> cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the >> cap loose it wasn't a problem. >> -Curt >> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" >> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List >> >> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> >> You didn't end up hydro locking the engine? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, >>> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... >>> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just >>> consumed some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was >>> off it would fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like >>> that until it needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth >>> it... >>> -Curt >>> >>> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" >>> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List >>> >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >>> >>> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I >>>> used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of >>>> my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. >>>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps >>>> on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC >>>> I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in >>>> 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. >>>> Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have >>>> flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the >>>> stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff >>>> out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, >>>> the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace >>>> it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that >>>> time to fix it myself... >>>> -Curt >>>> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List >>>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >>>> >>>>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>>>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >>>>>> To: G Mann >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>>>>> >>>>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >>>>>> coolant system. >>>> >>>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . >>>> >>>> RB >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>>> >>>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>>> >>>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>>> indivi
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Nope, it ran real good too. If I had it now I'd totally put a head gasket into it. Unfortunately at the time I didn't have the space or know-how to work on it. I could do better now. -Curt From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and > cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the > cap loose it wasn't a problem. > -Curt > From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > You didn't end up hydro locking the engine? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, >> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... >> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed >> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would >> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it >> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it... >> -Curt >> >> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" >> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List >> >> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> >> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used >>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB >>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. >>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps >>> on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I >>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 >>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. >>> Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have >>> flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the >>> stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff >>> out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, >>> the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace >>> it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that >>> time to fix it myself... >>> -Curt >>> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >>> >>>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >>>>> To: G Mann >>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>>>> >>>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >>>>> coolant system. >>> >>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . >>> >>> RB >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Funny stuff! Did you have cafe au lait oil? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and > cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the > cap loose it wasn't a problem. > -Curt > From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > You didn't end up hydro locking the engine? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, >> once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... >> That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed >> some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would >> fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it >> needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it... >> -Curt >> >> From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" >> To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List >> >> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> >> How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used >>> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB >>> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. >>> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps >>> on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I >>> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 >>> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. >>> Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have >>> flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the >>> stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff >>> out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, >>> the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace >>> it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that >>> time to fix it myself... >>> -Curt >>> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List >>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >>> >>>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >>>>> To: G Mann >>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>>>> >>>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >>>>> coolant system. >>> >>> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . >>> >>> RB >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Well yeah but I realized what had happened. I pulled the glow plugs and cranked it to get the water out. Put 'em back in and it ran. If I left the cap loose it wasn't a problem. -Curt From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info You didn't end up hydro locking the engine? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, > once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... > That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed > some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would > fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it > needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it... > -Curt > > From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used >> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB >> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. >> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on >> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I >> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 >> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then >> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the >> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I >> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never >> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket >> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't >> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it >> myself... >> -Curt >> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List >> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> >>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >>>> To: G Mann >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>>> >>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >>>> coolant system. >> >> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . >> >> RB >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
You didn't end up hydro locking the engine? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, > once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... > That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed > some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would > fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it > needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it... > -Curt > > From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used >> it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB >> wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. >> In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on >> giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I >> became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 >> minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then >> when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the >> system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I >> managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never >> clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket >> was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't >> have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it >> myself... >> -Curt >> From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes >> To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List >> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info >> >>>> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >>>> >>>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >>>> To: G Mann >>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>>> >>>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >>>> coolant system. >> >> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . >> >> RB >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > >> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
The engine got repeatedly overheated. A couple times by the previous owner, once or twice by me, until the head gasket couldn't handle it anymore... That one was actually the best kind of head gasket failure, it just consumed some coolant and if you left the cap tight while the engine was off it would fill the cylinders with coolant. We drove it a few months like that until it needed injector return lines and I decided it wasn't worth it... -Curt From: "dsereta...@yahoo.com" To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used > it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB > wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. > In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on > giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I > became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 > minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then > when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the > system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I > managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never > clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket > was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't > have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it > myself... > -Curt > From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes > To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > >> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >>> To: G Mann >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>> >>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >>> coolant system. > > And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . > > RB > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
How did the stuff ruin the head gasket? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 2, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used > it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB > wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. > In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on > giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I > became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 > minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then > when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the > system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I > managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never > clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket > was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't > have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it > myself... > -Curt > From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes > To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > >> On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >> >>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >>> To: G Mann >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>> >>> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >>> coolant system. > > And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . > > RB > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The passages in the heater core and radiator are pretty small and these sorts of problems usually occur in older vehicles that are likely already partly plugged up. I used some of the rad seal junk in my 68 Chevy pickup and ended up with it overheating before very long. I had to have the rad recored and the heater core flushed out. I swore I would never use that stuff again. I suppose if I was a long way from home with a leak of sorts and just needed to get home, I might be tempted but if I was near home, I would never put anything like that in my vehicle. RB On 02/03/2015 11:35 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST To: G Mann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant system. And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . RB ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I've never had it plug a radiator which is annoying because the time I used it I was trying to plug a hole in a radiator. The previous owner of my MB wagon had used it for the same reason with the same failed results. In both cases it plugged thermostats. Then it becomes the gift that keeps on giving because its dammed hard to get the stuff back out... My '88 GMC I became super adept at replacing thermostats. In the end I could do it in 10 minutes and lose only a cup of coolant. I always traveled with a spare. Then when I got home I'd flush the cooling system AGAIN. I must have flushed the system 20 times in the 4 years I drove it after adding the stuff.My wagon I managed to do a better flush because I got all the stuff out and never clogged another thermostat but the damage was already done, the head gasket was toast. The car wasn't worth paying somebody to replace it and I didn't have the facilities, tools, knowledge or friends at that time to fix it myself... -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: > >> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >> Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST >> To: G Mann >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >> >> If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the >> coolant system. >> >> And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 01/03/2015 4:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST To: G Mann Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant system. And, in so doing will ruin the heater core and the radiator . . . RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Nope Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I can see why you hate it now. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:40 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to a > bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more. > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Did you use it in the 78 240D? On Mar 1, 2015 10:40 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" wrote: > I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to > a bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more. > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I've used it twice and blocked two thermostats, the second one leading to a bad head gasket in my wagon. Never more. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Why do you hate it? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2015, at 10:25 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff.. > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Not when i had it or when my brother had it. Don't know before that. I think it is a speculative stretch. On Mar 1, 2015 10:25 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" wrote: > If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff.. > > Curt > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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If it was done it was before I got the car. I hate that stuff.. Curt Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Question: At any time in this engines life, has it been dosed with crack sealant? If it has, there is a better than fair chance that there is a ball of that material floating through the cooling passages. It is a mixture of aluminum filings and an agent that congeals when heated. The principle that is supposed to work is, the material gravitates to the leak caused by the blown head gasket or cracked head or block and congeals at that crack via the principle of magic and chemistry... What does happen is a gob of this aluminum snot will congeal as it cycles through the pump action of the waterpump and form a "plug". Seems a likely possibility that could be what has happened, from what I've read of the history of the car. "Bring it closer to the computer so I can see what's happening" ... ;)) Grant... On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 3:55 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: dsereta...@yahoo.com > > Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST > > To: G Mann > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > > > > If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the > coolant system. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 3:59 PM, G Mann wrote: > >> > >> Were the car mine, I would be very interested in why the system is > still pressurized after setting overnight.. > >> > >> Dead cold cooling systems should not have pressure, so , to me, it > speaks of combustion air incursion into the cooling system and likely, > serious over pressure somehow.. although, the radiator cap should vent > anything above the rated pressure... further concern, to me.. > >> > >> Cooling system pressure test would be my next step.. certainly. > >> > >> > >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and > no overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the > mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses > were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed > radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing > cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps > coolant leaking because system pressurized? > >>> I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure > tested. > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer > project! > >>> > > >>> > Sent from my iPhone > >>> > > >>> >> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes > >>> >> wrote: > >>> >> > >>> >>> Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a > citric > >>> >>> acid flush. > >>> >>> > >>> >>> You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able > to > >>> >>> find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical > >>> >>> grade). Dissolve in a gallon of water. Empty cooling system, > >>> >>> including draining the block through the drain valve or plug. > >>> >> > >>> >> I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above > >>> >> freezing ... > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Craig > >>> >> > >>> >> ___ > >>> >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> >> > >>> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> >> > >>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> >> > >>> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, > those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > >>> > > >>> > ___ > >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > > >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > > >>> > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, > those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no con
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Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: dsereta...@yahoo.com > Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:45:40 PM EST > To: OK Don > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > > That was my impression as well. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 1:59 PM, OK Don wrote: >> >> I thought that a pressurized system in the AM is the result of a cracked >> head or leaking head gasket. >> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 12:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and no >>> overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the >>> mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses >>> were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed >>> radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing >>> cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps >>> coolant leaking because system pressurized? >>> I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested. >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >> -- >> OK Don >> >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! >> >> “Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of >> our people need it sorely on these accounts.” – Mark Twain >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for >> themselves." >> >> WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers >> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: dsereta...@yahoo.com > Date: March 1, 2015 at 4:48:56 PM EST > To: G Mann > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > > If I discover a head leak I will pour some of that leak sealer in the coolant > system. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 1, 2015, at 3:59 PM, G Mann wrote: >> >> Were the car mine, I would be very interested in why the system is still >> pressurized after setting overnight.. >> >> Dead cold cooling systems should not have pressure, so , to me, it speaks of >> combustion air incursion into the cooling system and likely, serious over >> pressure somehow.. although, the radiator cap should vent anything above the >> rated pressure... further concern, to me.. >> >> Cooling system pressure test would be my next step.. certainly. >> >> >>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2015 at 11:53 AM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> So I've driven the car now for 250 miles with blocked open tstat and no >>> overheating. I'm noticing that the cooling system is pressurized in the >>> mornings. This morning I noticed that the upper and lower radiator hoses >>> were moderately swollen, and there was a puff of air when I removed >>> radiator cap. There was some leakage of coolant from the thermostat housing >>> cover sealed by a rubber o ring which I have not yet replaced. Perhaps >>> coolant leaking because system pressurized? >>> I'm considering taking car to radiator shop to have system pressure tested. >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Feb 28, 2015, at 8:09 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Yes. No way I'm doing that in these ridiculous temps. A nice summer >>> > project! >>> > >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> >> On Feb 28, 2015, at 7:35 PM, Craig via Mercedes >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, 26 Feb 2015 17:16:13 -0600 Peter Frederick via Mercedes >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Now that you have a forced open thermostat, it's time to do a citric >>> >>> acid flush. >>> >>> >>> >>> You will need a kilogram of food grade citric acid (should be able to >>> >>> find that fairly easily without spending the money for analytical >>> >>> grade). Dissolve in a gallon of water. Empty cooling system, >>> >>> including draining the block through the drain valve or plug. >>> >> >>> >> I think you might want to wait until the weather is back above >>> >> freezing ... >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Craig >>> >> >>> >> ___ >>> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >> >>> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >> >>> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >>> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >>> > >>> > ___ >>> > http://www.okiebenz.com >>> > >>> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> > >>> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> > >>> > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You mean someting like "I need an exorcist"? On Feb 28, 2015 12:38 PM, "Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > You should write a whimsical message on the cardboard blocking the radiator > to be read by drivers of the cars you are following. > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > The thermostat housing looked pretty good. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems. > > > The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't > > > be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least > > > resistance, then it could overheat then. > > > > > > Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for > > > corrosion or damage? > > > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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You should write a whimsical message on the cardboard blocking the radiator to be read by drivers of the cars you are following. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 11:01 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The thermostat housing looked pretty good. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems. > > The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't > > be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least > > resistance, then it could overheat then. > > > > Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for > > corrosion or damage? > > > > -- Jim > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
The thermostat housing looked pretty good. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes > wrote: > > IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems. > The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't > be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least > resistance, then it could overheat then. > > Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for > corrosion or damage? > > -- Jim > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Oops. Sorry for assuming that you did it! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2015, at 10:23 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I retro fit nothing, it came that way. I put replacement glowplugs in and > upped the size of the wires to them which made a big difference in cold > starting the car... > -Curt > From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes > To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:01 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young > thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to > glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a > push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that! > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: >>> I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather >>> amusing…… >> Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would >> likely go unnoticed by most folks? >> >> RB >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I retro fit nothing, it came that way. I put replacement glowplugs in and upped the size of the wires to them which made a big difference in cold starting the car... -Curt From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes To: Randy Bennell ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 6:01 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: >> I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather >> amusing…… > Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would > likely go unnoticed by most folks? > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
IIRC corroded thermostat _housings_ can induce problems. The plates don't seat right. If the bypass channel couldn't be closed properly, and hot water takes the path of least resistance, then it could overheat then. Did you check the inside of the thermostat housing for corrosion or damage? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Try covering 3/4. You use the cardboard to do the thermostat's job, Once you find the right coverage, you can keep the temp right at 180-190C Today I blocked about 1/2 the radiator with a piece of cardboard. I then drove the car for 25 miles on city and suburban roads. The temp gauge read cold -no more than a hair above the 100 degree Fahrenheit mark at its warmest. I might get daring and drive it up to Maine tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Oh. I like it! -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory? With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is being held in place by the flow. When the thermostat was operating normally and thus opening and closing as the temperature of the coolant rose and fell, the flow would increase or decrease. That permitted whatever loose item is inside the engine to shift around and cause trougle. RB On 26/02/2015 5:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions. Very interesting. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the car has had 3 bad thermostats. So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I offered to give my old 220D with the pull switch start to several people if they could start it. It was a real hoot to watch them try to find the glow plug lamp (if they knew anything about diesels) and the expression on their face when there was no "start" position on the keyswitch. Too bad it was so rusty there was no point in fixing the engine. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Not too many people will know how to steal it. First of all most young thieves today can't drive a stick. Second of all, nobody will know how to glow the car -Curt retrofitted it with pencil type plugs and wired them to a push button on the dash. Hahahaha dumb thieves, try stealing that! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes > wrote: > >> On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: >> I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather >> amusing…… > Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would > likely go unnoticed by most folks? > > RB > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
What's the ambient temp? You probably need to block more of the radiator with the thermostat blocked open. If you add several more narrower strip of cardboard, you can add/remove them to regulate the temp. You really want the engine near the normal operating range for extended use, like a road trip. On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 4:58 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Today I blocked about 1/2 the radiator with a piece of cardboard. I then > drove the car for 25 miles on city and suburban roads. The temp gauge read > cold -no more than a hair above the 100 degree Fahrenheit mark at its > warmest. > > I might get daring and drive it up to Maine tomorrow. > > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Today I blocked about 1/2 the radiator with a piece of cardboard. I then drove the car for 25 miles on city and suburban roads. The temp gauge read cold -no more than a hair above the 100 degree Fahrenheit mark at its warmest. I might get daring and drive it up to Maine tomorrow. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 27, 2015, at 1:15 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > Oh. I like it! > -Curt > > > From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes > To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:03 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info > > So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory? > > With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so > whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is > being held in place by the flow. > When the thermostat was operating normally and thus opening and closing > as the temperature of the coolant rose and fell, the flow would increase > or decrease. That permitted whatever loose item is inside the engine to > shift around and cause trougle. > > RB > >> On 26/02/2015 5:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST >>> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>> >>> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a >>> total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to >>> 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with >>> no exceptions. Very interesting. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the >>>> car has had 3 bad thermostats. >>>> >>>> >>>>> So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone >>>>> to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? >>>>> >>>>> BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge >>>>> reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will >>>>> not budge. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Oh. I like it! -Curt From: Randy Bennell via Mercedes To: dsereta...@yahoo.com; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Friday, February 27, 2015 12:03 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory? With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is being held in place by the flow. When the thermostat was operating normally and thus opening and closing as the temperature of the coolant rose and fell, the flow would increase or decrease. That permitted whatever loose item is inside the engine to shift around and cause trougle. RB On 26/02/2015 5:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST >> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >> >> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a >> total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to >> 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no >> exceptions. Very interesting. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the >>> car has had 3 bad thermostats. >>> >>> >>>> So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone >>>> to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? >>>> >>>> BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads >>>> stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not >>>> budge. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 26/02/2015 6:42 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes wrote: I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather amusing…… Are you suggesting no one would steal a 240D? or that driving it hard would likely go unnoticed by most folks? RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
So, how about a new theory - or at least an extension of an existing theory? With the thermostat blocked open, there is constant flow of coolant so whatever is loose in the engine and occasionally blocking the flow is being held in place by the flow. When the thermostat was operating normally and thus opening and closing as the temperature of the coolant rose and fell, the flow would increase or decrease. That permitted whatever loose item is inside the engine to shift around and cause trougle. RB On 26/02/2015 5:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: dsereta...@yahoo.com Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions. Very interesting. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the car has had 3 bad thermostats. So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Yes my father was a truck driver in one of his earlier careers & he told me that when I got my first 240D. It is funny for that MB. On Feb 26, 2015 7:42 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" wrote: > I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather > amusing…… > > > > On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > >> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com > >> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST > >> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > >> > >> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today > for a total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic > to 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time > with no exceptions. Very interesting. > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove > the car has had 3 bad thermostats. > >>> > >>> > So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red > zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? > > BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge > reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not > budge. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Believe me, I won't get my hopes up! This car is possessed! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 26, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes > wrote: > > Be patient. It's been an intermittent thing so you want to be sure this is > the problem. Partially blocking the radiator is a good idea. It will help > achieve a more normal engine temp as well as make the problem visible > sooner, if it recurs. Good luck with this. > >> -Original Message- >> From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes >> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:16 PM > ... >>> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >>> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST >>> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >>> >>> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for > a total of >> 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph > highway >> travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions. >> Very interesting. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Be patient. It's been an intermittent thing so you want to be sure this is the problem. Partially blocking the radiator is a good idea. It will help achieve a more normal engine temp as well as make the problem visible sooner, if it recurs. Good luck with this. > -Original Message- > From: dseretakis--- via Mercedes > Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 6:16 PM ... > > From: dsereta...@yahoo.com > > Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST > > To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > > > > I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a total of > 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to 75mph highway > travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no exceptions. > Very interesting. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
I love that “like I stole it” phrase! Just imagining it a 240D is rather amusing…… > On Feb 26, 2015, at 6:16 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: dsereta...@yahoo.com >> Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST >> To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info >> >> I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a >> total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to >> 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no >> exceptions. Very interesting. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the >>> car has had 3 bad thermostats. >>> >>> So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: dsereta...@yahoo.com > Date: February 26, 2015 at 6:15:05 PM EST > To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > > I sure hope it stays that way. I drove the car like I stole it today for a > total of 90 miles in conditions ranging from stop and go city traffic to > 75mph highway travel. The temp gauge read stone cold the entire time with no > exceptions. Very interesting. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Feb 26, 2015, at 5:16 PM, Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If it stays that way until you take out the copper, then it will prove the >> car has had 3 bad thermostats. >> >> >>> So if the car had a head issue, would the temp drop from almost red zone to >>> normal like that by engine breaking down a hill? >>> >>> BTW, I've been driving with forced open tstat now and the temp gauge reads >>> stone cold, even after a 15 minutes 65 mph highway drive. It will not budge. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Thanks for the dimensions! It is a wahler. It is made in Germany. Should I heat the tstat in boiling water to open it up to facilitate insertion of copper pipe/shell casing? What will prevent it from dislodging? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> >> > >>> He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is >>> intact. >> > As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using >> > 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? >> > > > > 22.81 mm or .898 inch. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP > > > > Is the OE a behr? Where was it made? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Thanks for the dimensions! It is a wahler. It is made in Germany. Should I heat the tstat in boiling water to open it up to facilitate insertion of copper pipe/shell casing? What will prevent it from dislodging? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> >> > >>> He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is >>> intact. >> > As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using >> > 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? >> > > > > 22.81 mm or .898 inch. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP > > > > Is the OE a behr? Where was it made? > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
> He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is intact. > As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using 3/8 copper pipe. What length is good? > 22.81 mm or .898 inch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.45_ACP Is the OE a behr? Where was it made? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Fwd: Overheating 240D more info
Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: dsereta...@yahoo.com > Date: February 24, 2015 at 5:47:11 PM EST > To: Randy Bennell > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Overheating 240D more info > > He ruined Curt's made in France thermostat. The OE one I got from CC is > intact. > As far as Jim Cathey's mod, I don't have a shell casing so will be using 3/8 > copper pipe. What length is good? > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Feb 24, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: >>> >>> On 24/02/2015 3:53 PM, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote: >>> Just picked up car from the mechanic. I drive it back about 25 minutes >>> local inner city driving and some small highway. No overheating. Heat >>> working fine. Popped hood when arrived home, felt lower radiator hose and >>> it was stone cold. Clearly there is no flow. >>> Time for Cathey tstat trick. >> >> And, I should think, time to immediately tell the mechanic that he did not >> solve the problem. >> I hope he did not charge you much for ruining the new thermostat that you >> already had in the car. >> >> RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
