Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Ed Booher]

What are you talking about, I name *all* of my cars :)

EdB

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Bob Rentfro  wrote:

> RIP Gump. One of the last named cars.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

[Benz Hogs]

Good voice.  Free and connected through her whole range.  Helps that 
she's gorgeous too  Anyone who can sing with Placido is definitely 
SOMEONE.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ-WrP_duhg&feature=related


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On 7/29/2011 9:56 PM, Gerry Archer wrote:

Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_kaOYC_Fww
Anna Netrebko has brought more new listeners to classical
music than anyone in a long time. Classical music can be fun.
Gerry

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You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin.

I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc.

Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes.




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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

[Gerry Archer]

Try this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_kaOYC_Fww
Anna Netrebko has brought more new listeners to classical
music than anyone in a long time.  Classical music can be fun.
Gerry

---
From: "Randy Bennell" 



You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin.

I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc.

Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes.



On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote:
My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number 
of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for 
his work in Verdi operas, however.


Got to do a "meet and greet" with him at the Florentine Opera when we 
lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons.  Nice guy - I didn't know it 
until then that he was from Illinois!


He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I 
haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a 
gig to get him on the bill...


Dan



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that
no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and
placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly,
no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable
melody to the listener as Puccini.

Puccini just sings

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

[LWB250]

Absolutely. Both opera and classical are best heard at home.

Yesterday it was Rush "Signals".

Dan



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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

Metallica Black is some of my favorite driving music.  Opera sucks as 
driving music, too much dynamic change...

Luther

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On Jul 29, 2011 4:33 PM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote: 

You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin.



I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc.



Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes.







On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote:

> My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number 
of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his 
work in Verdi operas, however.

>

> Got to do a "meet and greet" with him at the Florentine Opera when we 
lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons.  Nice guy - I didn't know it until 
then that he was from Illinois!

>

> He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I 
haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to 
get him on the bill...

>

> Dan

>

>

> 

> From: Benz Hogs<benz-n-h...@gulseth.net>

> To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM

> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

>

> AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that

> no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and

> placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly,

> no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable

> melody to the listener as Puccini.

>

> Puccini just sings

>

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

[Luther's Benz]

Metallica Black is some of my favorite driving music.  Opera sucks as 
driving music, too much dynamic change...

Luther

-- Sent from my Palm Pre
On Jul 29, 2011 4:33 PM, Randy Bennell <rbenn...@bennell.ca> wrote: 

You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin.



I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc.



Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes.







On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote:

> My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number 
of Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his 
work in Verdi operas, however.

>

> Got to do a "meet and greet" with him at the Florentine Opera when we 
lived in Milwaukee, since we were patrons.  Nice guy - I didn't know it until 
then that he was from Illinois!

>

> He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I 
haven't seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to 
get him on the bill...

>

> Dan

>

>

> 

> From: Benz Hogs<benz-n-h...@gulseth.net>

> To: Mercedes Discussion List<mercedes@okiebenz.com>

> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM

> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

>

> AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that

> no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and

> placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly,

> no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable

> melody to the listener as Puccini.

>

> Puccini just sings

>

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

[Luther's Benz]

M, yes, good old fashioned free singing.  Great voice to boot :) 
 My man-love goes out to Samuel Ramey and Thomas Hampson.  Ramey 
teaches here in Chicago and I listened in on his master class back in the 
spring.  Have his autograph from (on my No Tenors Allowed cd) from a 
2000/01 concert in Omaha.



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On Jul 29, 2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 <lwb...@yahoo.com> wrote: 

My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of 
Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work 
in Verdi operas, however.



Got to do a "meet and greet" with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in 
Milwaukee, since we were patrons.  Nice guy - I didn't know it until then 
that he was from Illinois!



He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't 
seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him 
on the bill...



Dan







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To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com>

Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM

Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD



AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that 

no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and 

placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly, 

no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable 

melody to the listener as Puccini.



Puccini just sings



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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

[Randy Bennell]

You bu**ers are just too hi-falutin.

I am more into Elvis, Roy Orbison, Garth Brooks, etc.

Randy who drives the old Benz with cowboy boots on sometimes.



On 29/07/2011 3:58 PM, LWB250 wrote:

My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of 
Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work 
in Verdi operas, however.

Got to do a "meet and greet" with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in 
Milwaukee, since we were patrons.  Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that he was 
from Illinois!

He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't 
seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him 
on the bill...

Dan



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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 3:51 PM
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AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that
no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and
placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly,
no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable
melody to the listener as Puccini.

Puccini just sings

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD - Long Live Opera!

[LWB250]

My favorite operatic star is Sherrill Milnes. I have seen him in a number of 
Puccini works, and he just wails in every one. He is better known for his work 
in Verdi operas, however.

Got to do a "meet and greet" with him at the Florentine Opera when we lived in 
Milwaukee, since we were patrons.  Nice guy - I didn't know it until then that 
he was from Illinois!

He is supposed to be a consultant for the opera here in Tampa, but I haven't 
seen him around for any of their performances. Probably just a gig to get him 
on the bill...

Dan



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that 
no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and 
placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly, 
no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable 
melody to the listener as Puccini.

Puccini just sings

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[andrew strasfogel]

My Dad conducted Traviata and Rigoletto as well as the Puccini staples, and
as much as I love Tosca and Boheme I have come to appreciate Verdi more and
more through the years.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:51 PM, Benz Hogs  wrote:

> AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that no
> other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and placement
> of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly, no composer is
> as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable melody to the
> listener as Puccini.
>
> Puccini just sings
>
>  Luther   KB5QHUOak Park, IL
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> '91 Dodge Ram 150 (290,xxx mi)
>
> On 7/28/2011 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:
>
>> Mozart and Wagner, without exception.
>>
>> Puccini when it comes to opera.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>>
>> astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with
>>> Ludwig."
>>>
>>> The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his
>>> style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because "Classical" is a
>>> style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different
>>> eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to
>>> compare them.   It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure?
>>>  When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  It's
>>> pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it
>>> is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.
>>>
>>> So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And
>>> arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole
>>> Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some
>>> people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is
>>> incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of
>>> the classical periods.  He might be a transition between the two.   For me,
>>> the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

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AAAHH, Puccini.  Among opera singers, it is common to feel that 
no other composer new the voice as well as Puccini.  His lyricism and 
placement of the right vowel in a certain part of your range.  Mainly, 
no composer is as easy to sing, sounds challenging, AND writes memorable 
melody to the listener as Puccini.


Puccini just sings

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On 7/28/2011 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Mozart and Wagner, without exception.

Puccini when it comes to opera.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:


astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with 
Ludwig."

The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his style/era?   The 
term classical music is confusing because "Classical" is a style or period or 
era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque 
era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them.   It would be like asking who is the 
greatest Sports figure?  When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  
It's pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it is 
difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.

So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And arguably, 
Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 
9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some people would include 
Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his 
symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of the classical periods.  
He might be a transition between the two.   For me, the greatest of the 
Romantic period is Wagner.


Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[OK Don]

Nope - Ludwig for me ---

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> I guess I am totally lost on most of what you are talking about but...
>
> If I were stranded on a desert island with but one song to play over and
> over until I ripped my ears of from insanity Margaritaville would have to
> be
> it.
>
> Mike
> On Jul 28, 2011 6:55 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
> > Jimmy, you nailed it.
> >
> > Max
> > --
> > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
> >
> > Donald Snook  wrote:
> >
> > Andrew wrote: "OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were
> limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to
> > Exclusively."
> >
> > This is a very difficult question. It would be too hard to decide between
> Mozart, Bach and Wagner. I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of
> the
> variety and I just like his better. But, Bach was so prolific and the
> Sonata
> and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them. He
> wrote
> quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue
> structure and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight
> the fugue structure. Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head
> when composing. But, I would probably say Mozart anyway.
> >
> > If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its
> four different opera's)
> >
> > OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits. Which is in the CD player of my car
> right now.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Michael Canfield]

I guess I am totally lost on most of what you are talking about but...

If I were stranded on a desert island with but one song to play over and
over until I ripped my ears of from insanity Margaritaville would have to be
it.

Mike
On Jul 28, 2011 6:55 PM, "Max Dillon"  wrote:
> Jimmy, you nailed it.
>
> Max
> --
> Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>
> Donald Snook  wrote:
>
> Andrew wrote: "OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were
limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to
> Exclusively."
>
> This is a very difficult question. It would be too hard to decide between
Mozart, Bach and Wagner. I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of the
variety and I just like his better. But, Bach was so prolific and the Sonata
and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them. He wrote
quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue
structure and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight
the fugue structure. Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head
when composing. But, I would probably say Mozart anyway.
>
> If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its
four different opera's)
>
> OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits. Which is in the CD player of my car
right now.
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
> _
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Max Dillon]

Jimmy, you nailed it.

Max
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Donald Snook  wrote:

Andrew wrote: "OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently. If you were 
limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to
Exclusively."

This is a very difficult question. It would be too hard to decide between 
Mozart, Bach and Wagner. I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of the 
variety and I just like his better. But, Bach was so prolific and the Sonata 
and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them. He wrote 
quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue structure 
and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight the fugue 
structure. Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head when composing. 
But, I would probably say Mozart anyway.

If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its four 
different opera's)

OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits. Which is in the CD player of my car right now.


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[redghost]

I have a spare head

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Donald Snook]

Andrew wrote: "OK. ?Let me phrase this slightly differently.  If you were 
limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to
Exclusively."

This is a very difficult question.  It would be too hard to decide between 
Mozart, Bach and Wagner.  I enjoy listening to Mozart the most because of the 
variety and I just like his better.  But, Bach was so prolific and the Sonata 
and Fugues are really amazing when you study the structure of them.  He wrote 
quadruple fugues (where four parts all follow the overarching fugue structure 
and when the four parts are played ALL together, they also fight the fugue 
structure.  Its actually quite amazing to keep all of that head when composing. 
 But, I would probably say Mozart anyway.

If I had to choose one composition, it would be Wagner's Ring Cycle (its four 
different opera's)

OR, Jimmy Buffet's greatest Hits.  Which is in the CD player of my car right 
now.


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:
> Well - I played the Cello in my younger years... back when I had limited
> talent instead of none, and vivaldi had a huge number of things that I found
> to be just amazing.

I can definitely see how that would be an influence. The solo string
parts in the Four Seasons, for instance, are beautiful.

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[Peter Hertzing]

Well - I played the Cello in my younger years... back when I had limited
talent instead of none, and vivaldi had a huge number of things that I found
to be just amazing.

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> The V Man is up there, but I think Mo had more range as far as composition.
>
> Just my 0.02 shekels.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:
>
> > Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> >
> >> Mozart and Wagner, without exception.
> >>
> >> Puccini when it comes to opera.
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
> >>
> >>> astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat
> with
> >> Ludwig."
> >>>
> >>> The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in
> his
> >> style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because "Classical"
> is a
> >> style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different
> >> eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult
> to
> >> compare them.   It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports
> figure?
> >> When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  It's
> >> pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise,
> it
> >> is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.
> >>>
> >>> So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And
> >> arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole
> >> Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some
> >> people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that
> is
> >> incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict
>  formalities of
> >> the classical periods.  He might be a transition between the two.   For
> me,
> >> the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner.
> >>>
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[Dan Penoff]

The V Man is up there, but I think Mo had more range as far as composition.

Just my 0.02 shekels.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:

> Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back
> 
> On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:
> 
>> Mozart and Wagner, without exception.
>> 
>> Puccini when it comes to opera.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>> 
>>> astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with
>> Ludwig."
>>> 
>>> The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his
>> style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because "Classical" is a
>> style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different
>> eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to
>> compare them.   It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure?
>> When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  It's
>> pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it
>> is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.
>>> 
>>> So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And
>> arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole
>> Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some
>> people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is
>> incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of
>> the classical periods.  He might be a transition between the two.   For me,
>> the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner.
>>> 
>>> 
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[Peter Hertzing]

Vivaldi and I wouldn't look back

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff  wrote:

> Mozart and Wagner, without exception.
>
> Puccini when it comes to opera.
>
> Dan
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:
>
> > astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with
> Ludwig."
> >
> > The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his
> style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because "Classical" is a
> style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different
> eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to
> compare them.   It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure?
>  When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  It's
> pretty hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it
> is difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.
> >
> > So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And
> arguably, Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole
> Ludwig only wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some
> people would include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is
> incorrect because his symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of
> the classical periods.  He might be a transition between the two.   For me,
> the greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner.
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Dan Penoff]

Mozart and Wagner, without exception.

Puccini when it comes to opera.

Dan

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with 
> Ludwig."
> 
> The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his 
> style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because "Classical" is a 
> style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different 
> eras/styles.  Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to 
> compare them.   It would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure?  
> When the question might be who is the greatest football player?  It's pretty 
> hard to compare a football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it is 
> difficult to compare composers from different eras/periods.
> 
> So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And arguably, 
> Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only 
> wrote 9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some people would 
> include Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect 
> because his symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of the 
> classical periods.  He might be a transition between the two.   For me, the 
> greatest of the Romantic period is Wagner.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 11:20 AM,   wrote:
> OK.  Let me phrase this slightly differently.
> If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to 
> exclusively7

And if you had to choose ONE single composition, what would it be?

For the first question, if I had to take a single composer's entire
body of work to a desert island and never listen to anything else,
it'd be Mozart, hands down.

However, if I had to choose one record---IMHO Beethoven's 9th Symphony
is the greatest artistic achievement of Western civilization.

Alex

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[astrasfogel]

OK.  Let me phrase this slightly differently.  

If you were limited to ONE composer whom would you choose to listen to 
exclusively7
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astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with 
Ludwig."

The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his 
style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because "Classical" is a 
style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles.  
Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them.   It 
would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure?  When the question 
might be who is the greatest football player?  It's pretty hard to compare a 
football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it is difficult to compare 
composers from different eras/periods.

So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And arguably, 
Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 
9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some people would include 
Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his 
symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of the classical periods.  
He might be a transition between the two.   For me, the greatest of the 
Romantic period is Wagner.


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[Donald Snook]

astrasfogel wrote: "So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with 
Ludwig."

The greatest what?  The greatest composer?  The greatest composer in his 
style/era?   The term classical music is confusing because "Classical" is a 
style or period or era.  J.S. Bach and Beethoven are in different eras/styles.  
Bach is in the Baroque era/period, it's pretty difficult to compare them.   It 
would be like asking who is the greatest Sports figure?  When the question 
might be who is the greatest football player?  It's pretty hard to compare a 
football player and a tennis player.  Likewise, it is difficult to compare 
composers from different eras/periods.

So, Bach is arguably the greatest of the Baroque period/style.  And arguably, 
Beethoven the greatest of the Classical period.  EXCEPT, ole Ludwig only wrote 
9 symphonies. So, I think Mozart gets the nod.  Some people would include 
Beethoven in the Romantic period, but I think that is incorrect because his 
symphonies followed most of the strict  formalities of the classical periods.  
He might be a transition between the two.   For me, the greatest of the 
Romantic period is Wagner.


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[Jim Cathey]

Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand 
for?


I can't remember if it was originally a reference to Jill Cathey or 
Clay's wife, but it stands for She Who Must Be Annoyed. (last word is 
normally Obeyed).


I believe it actually applies to both.  In my wife's case, at least
the term applies to an apparent a compulsion rather than any kind of
a directive to me.  (She can't _not_ be generally annoyed.  At least,
according to _my_ observation...)

Regarding the car warpath, I think there's a reason that Clay's and
my wife got along so well the one time they met.  Sounds like _both_
believe they are entitled to choose our hobbies for us, along with
every other little detail in their environs.

-- Jim



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[Walt Zarnoch]

The tear isn't visible, I'd have to "goo" the entire thing, which I'd
rather not try.

Instead, I upgraded to a 3.0 :)

Walt

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>> Torn vac governor diaphragm from what I can tell. It SEVERLY overfuels,
>> and
>> when you open the butterfly, it starts reving for the moon.
>
> Shoe Goo!
>
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[Jim Cathey]

If you have a 240 piston, I need one!


There are four, but attached to a crankshaft
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[Jim Cathey]

Torn vac governor diaphragm from what I can tell. It SEVERLY 
overfuels, and

when you open the butterfly, it starts reving for the moon.


Shoe Goo!

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[redghost]

YES

All the spare parts will keep you in good stead for ages


Clay


On Jul 27, 2011, at 6:09 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Kevin get yer ass over there pronto, this car has your NAME on it.

Pull the engine, do the body work, get Kaleb's replacement engine  
and make this into the beauty you've been dreaming of.



-Curt

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:53:46 -0700
From: redghost 
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$3500.  I have yet to inspect it, but will be doing that in the
morning.  Need to sell ALL the Gump stuff so that I have cash to
negotiate with.  Buy my stuff!

clay

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On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:32 PM, kevin kraly wrote:


So what's the asking price for this Euro gem?

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR


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[redghost]

Went and drove the thing today.  Closer to Fred Flintstone car than a  
benz.  Totally clapped out and would have required parts enough for  
Rusty to buy a nice bass boat


Clay



On Jul 27, 2011, at 12:14 AM, Fmiser wrote:


redghost wrote:



This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong.  Manual
everywhere, much as Gump was.


Oooh.  My dream is a TD turbo, manual transmission, manual
heater controls, power windows.

I think I'll probably have to build it to actually get one.

Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Randy Bennell]

http://www.safetyforum.com/passengervans/


On 27/07/2011 4:27 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote:

I have literally logged thousands of driving hours in one of these and they
are no more unstable then most other trucks or vans, but I think if you look
at most of the accidents most were tied to mechanical or tire failure. I
have never had a wreck in one - but the next group that took one many years
ago when I was a youth director rolled one after I left a note with the
rental company that one of the rear tires had sidewall damage.

Like any mode of transportation its all about the maintenance.

I have never talked my own wife into it, but I think the perfect care would
be a retired 6 passenger limo for the family - seats 6 in back 2 in front
with a TV and a DIVIDER.

What else could you ask for.

Peter

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Michael Canfieldwrote:


Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel.  The vehicle
doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck.  They are no more
unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load.  Still just a truck and will
never handle like a car.

Mike
On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:

Just google search "passenger van instability issues and see what comes

up.

I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that
was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of
these vans and it was involved in an accident.

Randy

On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote:

Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

-- Philip

On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
don't use it for the fam.

Randy Bennell wrote:

I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
They tend to be unstable.

Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
is there? Two vehicles?

-- Philip





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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Dieselhead]

Der Sprinter  a mere 50k will get you one, new.



 > > > Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.

 > > I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*
 > >
 > > --  Philip



 > On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
 >
 > Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
 > pass van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
 > don't use it for the fam.



 Randy Bennell wrote:

 I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
 not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
 There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
 They tend to be unstable.


Hmmm.  And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
is there?  Two vehicles?

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Dieselhead]

	 think you are talking about the 15 pass vans.They are 
particularly unstable when pulling large trailers with the univ solar 
car inside, driven by inexperienced 20 yr old.drivers


http://www.iowastatedaily.com/article_d3947058-eaf8-5180-bbba-2cb37c52a6d1.html



I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, 
then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have 
been several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be 
unstable.


Randy

On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass 
van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use 
it for the fam.



Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip





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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Dan Penoff]

One of my dream cars if I had the cash and a place to properly garage it would 
be am early 60's Cadillac 75 Series limo with the divider window.

These don't seat 6, but they are a wonderful ride and can be found relatively 
cheap.

Of course, if money were no object then would shift to a late 40's/early 50's 
170V MB series. If you have ever seen one of these cars you can understand. 
They are very well appointed inside and have a fair amount of room.

How's about a Checker cab? They seat a fair number in the back and can have 
dividers, too.

Dan

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On Jul 27, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Peter Hertzing  wrote:

> I have literally logged thousands of driving hours in one of these and they
> are no more unstable then most other trucks or vans, but I think if you look
> at most of the accidents most were tied to mechanical or tire failure. I
> have never had a wreck in one - but the next group that took one many years
> ago when I was a youth director rolled one after I left a note with the
> rental company that one of the rear tires had sidewall damage.
> 
> Like any mode of transportation its all about the maintenance.
> 
> I have never talked my own wife into it, but I think the perfect care would
> be a retired 6 passenger limo for the family - seats 6 in back 2 in front
> with a TV and a DIVIDER.
> 
> What else could you ask for.
> 
> Peter
> 
> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:
> 
>> Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel.  The vehicle
>> doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck.  They are no more
>> unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load.  Still just a truck and will
>> never handle like a car.
>> 
>> Mike
>> On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
>>> Just google search "passenger van instability issues and see what comes
>> up.
>>> 
>>> I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that
>>> was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of
>>> these vans and it was involved in an accident.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>> 
>>> On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote:
>>> Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
>>> I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*
>>> 
>>> -- Philip
>> On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> 
>> Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
>> pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
>> don't use it for the fam.
> Randy Bennell wrote:
> 
> I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
> not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
> There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
> They tend to be unstable.
 Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
 is there? Two vehicles?
 
 -- Philip
 
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Rich Thomas]

If you wear the hockey helmets you'll be OK

--R

On 7/27/11 3:33 PM, Randy Bennell wrote:
I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then 
I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been 
several serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable.


Randy

On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass 
van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it 
for the fam.



Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip





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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Peter Hertzing]

I have literally logged thousands of driving hours in one of these and they
are no more unstable then most other trucks or vans, but I think if you look
at most of the accidents most were tied to mechanical or tire failure. I
have never had a wreck in one - but the next group that took one many years
ago when I was a youth director rolled one after I left a note with the
rental company that one of the rear tires had sidewall damage.

Like any mode of transportation its all about the maintenance.

I have never talked my own wife into it, but I think the perfect care would
be a retired 6 passenger limo for the family - seats 6 in back 2 in front
with a TV and a DIVIDER.

What else could you ask for.

Peter

On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 4:19 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:

> Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel.  The vehicle
> doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck.  They are no more
> unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load.  Still just a truck and will
> never handle like a car.
>
> Mike
> On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
> > Just google search "passenger van instability issues and see what comes
> up.
> >
> > I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that
> > was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of
> > these vans and it was involved in an accident.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote:
> > Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
> > I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*
> >
> > -- Philip
>  On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
> 
>  Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
>  pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
>  don't use it for the fam.
> >>> Randy Bennell wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
> >>> not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
> >>> There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
> >>> They tend to be unstable.
> >> Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
> >> is there? Two vehicles?
> >>
> >> -- Philip
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Michael Canfield]

Every vehicle can be unstable with a poor driver at the wheel.  The vehicle
doesn't have issues just because it gets in a wreck.  They are no more
unstable than any other TRUCK carrying a load.  Still just a truck and will
never handle like a car.

Mike
On Jul 27, 2011 4:44 PM, "Randy Bennell"  wrote:
> Just google search "passenger van instability issues and see what comes
up.
>
> I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that
> was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of
> these vans and it was involved in an accident.
>
> Randy
>
> On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote:
> Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
> I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*
>
> -- Philip
 On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
 pass van. As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
 don't use it for the fam.
>>> Randy Bennell wrote:
>>>
>>> I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
>>> not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
>>> There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
>>> They tend to be unstable.
>> Hmmm. And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
>> is there? Two vehicles?
>>
>> -- Philip
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:

Hmmm.  And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
is there?  Two vehicles?


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Randy Bennell]

Just google search "passenger van instability issues and see what comes up.

I recall reading news articles about a highschool basketball team that 
was essentially wiped out when the teacher/coach lost control of one of 
these vans and it was involved in an accident.


Randy

On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote:

Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip

On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
pass van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
don't use it for the fam.

Randy Bennell wrote:

I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
They tend to be unstable.

Hmmm.  And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
is there?  Two vehicles?

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Randy Bennell]

On 27/07/2011 3:25 PM, Fmiser wrote:

Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip

On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:

Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
pass van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
don't use it for the fam.

Randy Bennell wrote:

I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
They tend to be unstable.

Hmmm.  And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
is there?  Two vehicles?

--  Philip

Well, I did not say you should not buy one - just that you need to be 
aware of the potential issues and load it and drive it accordingly.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Fmiser]

> > > Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.
> > > I may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*
> > >
> > > --  Philip

> > On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
> >
> > Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15
> > pass van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you
> > don't use it for the fam.

> Randy Bennell wrote:
>
> I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if
> not, then I suggest you do a bit of research on the subject.
> There have been several serious accidents with such vehicles.
> They tend to be unstable.

Hmmm.  And if you need seats for more than 8, what other choice
is there?  Two vehicles?

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Randy Bennell]

I assume this was intended somewhat tongue in cheek, but if not, then I 
suggest you do a bit of research on the subject. There have been several 
serious accidents with such vehicles. They tend to be unstable.


Randy

On 27/07/2011 8:02 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass 
van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it 
for the fam.



Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip





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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Fmiser]

> astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> Both of my US spec 300 TD wagons have rear child seats to take
> care of up to 3 additional offspring.   Feel free to make a
> preemptive offer.   

Count again.  There are only 2 positions in the third seat.

It is bigger than a S123 that I am needing.  Buying yours
wouldn't help.

--  Philip


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[astrasfogel]

Sure, but to be fair I expect to compliment me if this calamity doesn't come to 
pass.  
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-Original Message-
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Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:06:46 
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The odds of a device failing increase with every use.
I'd forgotten that a failing TO destroys the turbo. If it were a case of the 
thing just plugging up and you having less power I'd say "eh, whatever" but 
when it takes out your turbo I'll laugh like a hyena. You've been warned, when 
it fails be prepared to be mocked.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:52:43 -0400
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It's been good for 26 years.  What are the  odds of this happening now?

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser  wrote:
> > I don't like the extra stuff on the
> > '85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
> > less "refined" but simpler.
> >
>
> Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean.
>  He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct
> and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo.
>
> Alex

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[astrasfogel]

Both of my US spec 300 TD wagons have rear child seats to take care of up to 3 
additional offspring.   Feel free to make a preemptive offer.   

Andrew
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> redghost wrote:

> This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong.  Manual
> everywhere, much as Gump was.

Oooh.  My dream is a TD turbo, manual transmission, manual
heater controls, power windows.

I think I'll probably have to build it to actually get one.

Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip

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[Curt Raymond]

Kevin get yer ass over there pronto, this car has your NAME on it.

Pull the engine, do the body work, get Kaleb's replacement engine and make this 
into the beauty you've been dreaming of.


-Curt

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 20:53:46 -0700
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$3500.  I have yet to inspect it, but will be doing that in the 
morning.  Need to sell ALL the Gump stuff so that I have cash to 
negotiate with.  Buy my stuff!

clay

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:32 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

> So what's the asking price for this Euro gem?
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Dieselhead]

Go to your state or state university's auctions and buy a 15 pass 
van.  As a bonus, you can use it to haul Amish when you don't use it 
for the fam.



Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Curt Raymond]

The odds of a device failing increase with every use.
I'd forgotten that a failing TO destroys the turbo. If it were a case of the 
thing just plugging up and you having less power I'd say "eh, whatever" but 
when it takes out your turbo I'll laugh like a hyena. You've been warned, when 
it fails be prepared to be mocked.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:52:43 -0400
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It's been good for 26 years.  What are the  odds of this happening now?

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser  wrote:
> > I don't like the extra stuff on the
> > '85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
> > less "refined" but simpler.
> >
>
> Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean.
>  He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct
> and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo.
>
> Alex

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Curt Raymond]

Presumably Ludwig Van... I'm not much of a composer.

Its interesting, since my email gets tagged with my actual name, the number of 
people who assume my name is Ludwig or Mr. Ludwig.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:05:35 -0400
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Curt Ludwig Raymond?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Mitch Haley]

Fmiser wrote:


Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*


Stick an OM606 turbo in a 1992 Vista Cruiser.

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Fmiser]

> redghost wrote:

> This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong.  Manual
> everywhere, much as Gump was.

Oooh.  My dream is a TD turbo, manual transmission, manual
heater controls, power windows.

I think I'll probably have to build it to actually get one.

Meanwhile, the family doesn't really fit in a 123 anymore.  I
may have to look for something a bit bigger. *sigh*

--  Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

$3500.  I have yet to inspect it, but will be doing that in the  
morning.  Need to sell ALL the Gump stuff so that I have cash to  
negotiate with.  Buy my stuff!


clay

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:32 PM, kevin kraly wrote:


So what's the asking price for this Euro gem?

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message- From: redghost Sent: Tuesday, July 26,  
2011 8:20 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is  
DEAD
This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong.  Manual  
everywhere,  much as Gump was.


clay

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Fmiser wrote:


andrew strasfogel wrote:



I have an "old" 83 and "new" 85.  The 83 has a 1985
transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs
a valve adjustment.


The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to
accelerate if all else is equal.

The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things.  There are
at least three things I don't know what they do.  And one of
them hums after I turn off the engine.

The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[kevin kraly]

So what's the asking price for this Euro gem?

Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 8:20 PM 
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This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong.  Manual everywhere,  
much as Gump was.


clay

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Fmiser wrote:


andrew strasfogel wrote:



I have an "old" 83 and "new" 85.  The 83 has a 1985
transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs
a valve adjustment.


The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to
accelerate if all else is equal.

The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things.  There are
at least three things I don't know what they do.  And one of
them hums after I turn off the engine.

The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

The trap was one of the evil things that led to the POS SDL being  
killed at okie acres



clay

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On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser  wrote:

 I don't like the extra stuff on the
'85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
less "refined" but simpler.



Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean.
He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct
and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

This TD is a euro with no magic stuff to go wrong.  Manual everywhere,  
much as Gump was.


clay

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:54 AM, Fmiser wrote:


andrew strasfogel wrote:



I have an "old" 83 and "new" 85.  The 83 has a 1985
transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs
a valve adjustment.


The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to
accelerate if all else is equal.

The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things.  There are
at least three things I don't know what they do.  And one of
them hums after I turn off the engine.

The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[andrew strasfogel]

It's been good for 26 years.  What are the  odds of this happening now?

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser  wrote:
> > I don't like the extra stuff on the
> > '85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
> > less "refined" but simpler.
> >
>
> Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean.
>  He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct
> and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo.
>
> Alex
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Fmiser  wrote:
> I don't like the extra stuff on the
> '85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
> less "refined" but simpler.
>

Andrew likes the fact that the TO on the '85 keeps his trunklid clean.
 He doesn't seem to care that sooner or later it will self-destruct
and dump chunks of catalyst into his turbo.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Craig]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:42:17 + astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

> So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with Ludwig.

Ludwig is OK, in fact I started out in classical music listening to his
works, but I much prefer J.S. Bach.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Dieselhead]

I agree, and I'd prefer a federal 85 over a kollyforica 85 with the 
"football" trap, and all the other garbage.




 > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

 >
 > Go for the TD!  What year is it?  I would think that it
 > would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine.



 redghost wrote:

 1984 TD that I am going to look at today

 Clay


I wish my '85 were older.  I don't like the extra stuff on the
'85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
less "refined" but simpler.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Fred Moir]

Curt Ludwig Raymond?

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred


On 7/26/2011 12:42 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with Ludwig.
--Original Message--
From: Craig
Sent: Jul 26, 2011 12:28 AM

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:27:31 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

   

Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish?

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craig  wrote:

 

Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ...
   

No, more like toccata-ish or passacaglia-ish or maybe even chaconne-ish.

:-)


Craig

   


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Fmiser]

> andrew strasfogel wrote:

> I have an "old" 83 and "new" 85.  The 83 has a 1985
> transmission and more zip than the 1985, which probably needs
> a valve adjustment.

The '85 has a taller differential ratio, so it will be slower to
accelerate if all else is equal.

The '85 got a bunch more (mysterious) vacuum things.  There are
at least three things I don't know what they do.  And one of
them hums after I turn off the engine.

The transmission is different, but I'm not sure how.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Randy Bennell]

On 26/07/2011 11:42 AM, G Mann wrote:

My sympathies to you then, since the early pattern indicates a shortfall of
loyalty to "old things" expect to be sent to the scrap heap as a dotage and
replaced with a "new pretty model"

Cars are so much easier than women,  if you drive another one and enjoy it
they never complain, you can kick the tire if it displeases you, and even
leave it unattended for months without ever a disparaging word. It's
suspension may sag, but you can get replacement parts, and in 50 years I've
never heard a car ask "does this make my ass look fat?".  :<))  YOU MEAN LIKE A 
CHRYSLER PACIFICA??

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:40 AM, redghost  wrote:




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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[andrew strasfogel]

I have an "old" 83 and "new" 85.  The 83 has a 1985 transmission and more
zip than the 1985, which probably needs a valve adjustment.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Fmiser  wrote:

> > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote:
> > >
> > > Go for the TD!  What year is it?  I would think that it
> > > would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine.
>
> > redghost wrote:
> >
> > 1984 TD that I am going to look at today
> >
> > Clay
>
> I wish my '85 were older.  I don't like the extra stuff on the
> '85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
> less "refined" but simpler.
>
> --   Philip
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[Fmiser]

> > On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote:
> >
> > Go for the TD!  What year is it?  I would think that it
> > would still outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine.

> redghost wrote:
>
> 1984 TD that I am going to look at today
> 
> Clay

I wish my '85 were older.  I don't like the extra stuff on the
'85.  Andrew seems to prefer it - but I would rather have the
less "refined" but simpler.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

Older women appreciate things more than the young.  My mistake for  
trading in and thinking I was trading up.


clay

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:42 AM, G Mann wrote:

My sympathies to you then, since the early pattern indicates a  
shortfall of
loyalty to "old things" expect to be sent to the scrap heap as a  
dotage and

replaced with a "new pretty model"

Cars are so much easier than women,  if you drive another one and  
enjoy it
they never complain, you can kick the tire if it displeases you, and  
even

leave it unattended for months without ever a disparaging word. It's
suspension may sag, but you can get replacement parts, and in 50  
years I've

never heard a car ask "does this make my ass look fat?".  :<))

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:40 AM, redghost   
wrote:


Young enough to know she will be caring for me in my dotage, while  
I will

be rotting in the ground during hers.

clay


On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:08 PM, G Mann wrote:

SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your  
efforts to
"keep the old girl cared for as long as possible" in an entirely  
different

light.  Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when
wrinkles
and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,,  
gravity
always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and  
preserved just
because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless  
of the

"mileage" will have a lot more meaning to her.

Grant...

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost   
wrote:


I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes
economically unfit for further medical care.  Death panels will  
decide

she
had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have  
died

years
ago.  She hated that car from the moment it arrived.  Must have  
made her

benz look bad?

clay


On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote:

Careful, careful.   ;<)))



Wilton



I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on  
this

car

really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of  
the

aged
grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare   
system

and
you only prolong her death.
I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.   
Also found

a
nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.
Gump was
wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body  off
restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing  
nickel  and

dime
upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.
The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of  
newer

being
less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get  
her  buy

off on
the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees  Gump  
as always
needing something and not of value for being old.  I  will  
remind her

of her
outlook when she reaches that advanced age  where she is  
wearing out

and
needs things done.  I will then point out  that she has ceased  
to have

value
and I should be getting a newer  model.  One without the sags and
wrinkles.
Able to produce vigorously.
clay

On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.


You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll  
drive
whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that  
engine! I've

seen
you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I   
don't

believe it
now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.


BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1  
hour

from
I90...

-Curt


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and  
playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus  
constantly

buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump  
is a

hobby
as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women  
that
gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have  
everything

they
need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to   
beat on

women,
then maybe they will have something to complain about

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield>

wrote:

Clay,

Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your  
time at

home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs  
you or

hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby  
could

be
much,
much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost">
wrote:

Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and

have
to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the  
short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not  
want to

have
the fight with SWMBA over my ove

Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:42 AM,   wrote:
> Not gonna happen.  I have the cleanest backup light lenses in all of D.C.
>

There's a reason why there was a recall, and it doesn't just apply to
603 engines.

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[astrasfogel]

Not gonna happen.  I have the cleanest backup light lenses in all of D.C.  

What are the differences between the Federal (49 state) 84 vs. 85 models7  
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On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:48 AM,   wrote:
> How do the 84 and 85 300 models differ7

'85 has the trap oxidizer.  Like yours.  When are you going to get it taken off?

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 9:48 AM,   wrote:
> How do the 84 and 85 300 models differ7

'85 has the trap oxidizer.  Like yours.  When are you going to get it taken off?

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[astrasfogel]

How do the 84 and 85 300 models differ7
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From: redghost 
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Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 08:43:15 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

1984 TD that I am going to look at today

Clay



On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

> Go for the TD!  What year is it?  I would think that it would still  
> outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon
>
> -Original Message- From: redghost
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:13 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
>
> I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on this
> car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the
> aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare
> system and you only prolong her death.
>
> I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also found
> a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.
> Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body
> off restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel
> and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.
>
> The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer
> being less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her
> buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees
> Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old.  I
> will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age
> where she is wearing out and needs things done.  I will then point out
> that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer
> model.  One without the sags and wrinkles.  Able to produce  
> vigorously.
>
> clay
>
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.
>>
>> You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive  
>> whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine!  
>> I've  seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and  
>> I  don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.
>>
>>
>> BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour   
>> from I90...
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
>> From: Randy Bennell 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
>> Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>>
>> OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
>> every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
>> buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.
>>
>> Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a   
>> hobby
>> as much as a means of transport.
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>>> Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that   
>>> gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have  
>>> everything  they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who  
>>> likes to  beat on women, then maybe they will have something to  
>>> complain about
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Clay,
>>>> Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time  
>>>> at  home
>>>> wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you  
>>>> or hanging
>>>> out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby  
>>>> could  be much,
>>>> much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>> On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
>>>>> Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and   
>>>>> have to
>>>>> redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
>>>>> for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want  
>>>>> to  have
>>>>> the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
>>>>> Best to let her go

Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[G Mann]

My sympathies to you then, since the early pattern indicates a shortfall of
loyalty to "old things" expect to be sent to the scrap heap as a dotage and
replaced with a "new pretty model"

Cars are so much easier than women,  if you drive another one and enjoy it
they never complain, you can kick the tire if it displeases you, and even
leave it unattended for months without ever a disparaging word. It's
suspension may sag, but you can get replacement parts, and in 50 years I've
never heard a car ask "does this make my ass look fat?".  :<))

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 8:40 AM, redghost  wrote:

> Young enough to know she will be caring for me in my dotage, while I will
> be rotting in the ground during hers.
>
> clay
>
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:08 PM, G Mann wrote:
>
>  SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your efforts to
>> "keep the old girl cared for as long as possible" in an entirely different
>> light.  Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when
>> wrinkles
>> and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,, gravity
>> always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and preserved just
>> because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless of the
>> "mileage" will have a lot more meaning to her.
>>
>> Grant...
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost  wrote:
>>
>>  I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes
>>> economically unfit for further medical care.  Death panels will decide
>>> she
>>> had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have died
>>> years
>>> ago.  She hated that car from the moment it arrived.  Must have made her
>>> benz look bad?
>>>
>>> clay
>>>
>>>
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
>>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote:
>>>
>>> Careful, careful.   ;<)))
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wilton
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message - From: "redghost" 
>>>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on this
>>>>  car
>>>>
>>>>> really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the
>>>>>  aged
>>>>> grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare  system
>>>>> and
>>>>> you only prolong her death.
>>>>> I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also found
>>>>>  a
>>>>> nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.
>>>>> Gump was
>>>>> wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body  off
>>>>> restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel  and
>>>>> dime
>>>>> upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.
>>>>> The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer
>>>>>  being
>>>>> less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her  buy
>>>>> off on
>>>>> the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees  Gump as always
>>>>> needing something and not of value for being old.  I  will remind her
>>>>> of her
>>>>> outlook when she reaches that advanced age  where she is wearing out
>>>>> and
>>>>> needs things done.  I will then point out  that she has ceased to have
>>>>> value
>>>>> and I should be getting a newer  model.  One without the sags and
>>>>> wrinkles.
>>>>> Able to produce vigorously.
>>>>> clay
>>>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
>>>>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>>>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Dang it, I can remai

Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[astrasfogel]

So is Bach the greatest?  I call it a dead heat with Ludwig.  
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:27:31 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish?
> 
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craig  wrote:
> 
> > Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ...

No, more like toccata-ish or passacaglia-ish or maybe even chaconne-ish.

:-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

1984 TD that I am going to look at today

Clay



On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:16 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

Go for the TD!  What year is it?  I would think that it would still  
outrun Gump with the manny and NA engine.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

-Original Message- From: redghost
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on this
car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the
aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare
system and you only prolong her death.

I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also found
a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.
Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body
off restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel
and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.

The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer
being less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her
buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees
Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old.  I
will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age
where she is wearing out and needs things done.  I will then point out
that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer
model.  One without the sags and wrinkles.  Able to produce  
vigorously.


clay

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive  
whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine!  
I've  seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and  
I  don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.



BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour   
from I90...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a   
hobby

as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that   
gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have  
everything  they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who  
likes to  beat on women, then maybe they will have something to  
complain about


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield  
wrote:



Clay,
Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time  
at  home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you  
or hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby  
could  be much,

much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and   
have to

redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want  
to  have

the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

Young enough to know she will be caring for me in my dotage, while I  
will be rotting in the ground during hers.


clay

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:08 PM, G Mann wrote:

SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your  
efforts to
"keep the old girl cared for as long as possible" in an entirely  
different
light.  Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when  
wrinkles

and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,, gravity
always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and preserved  
just
because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless  
of the

"mileage" will have a lot more meaning to her.

Grant...

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost   
wrote:



I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes
economically unfit for further medical care.  Death panels will  
decide she
had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have  
died years
ago.  She hated that car from the moment it arrived.  Must have  
made her

benz look bad?

clay


1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote:

Careful, careful.   ;<)))


Wilton

- Original Message - From: "redghost" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD


I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on  
this  car
really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of  
the  aged
grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare   
system and

you only prolong her death.
I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also  
found  a
nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs  
better.   Gump was

wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body  off
restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel   
and dime

upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.
The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of  
newer  being
less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her   
buy off on
the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees  Gump as  
always
needing something and not of value for being old.  I  will remind  
her of her
outlook when she reaches that advanced age  where she is wearing  
out and
needs things done.  I will then point out  that she has ceased to  
have value
and I should be getting a newer  model.  One without the sags and  
wrinkles.

Able to produce vigorously.
clay
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive
whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine!  
I've  seen
you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I   
don't believe it

now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.


BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1  
hour  from

I90...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and  
playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus  
constantly

buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is  
a  hobby

as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that
gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have  
everything  they
need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to   
beat on women,

then maybe they will have something to complain about

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael  
Canfield

wrote:

Clay,
Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time  
at

home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs  
you or

hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby  
could  be

much,
much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost">>

wrote:

Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals  
and  have

to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short  
block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want  
to

have
the fight with SWMBA over 

Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Rich Thomas]

Surely you can't be serious

--R

On 7/25/11 11:17 PM, Craig wrote:

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:47:53 -0500 Donald Snook  wrote:


What do you mean "?" for the name of the present E320.  I think you
already have a name - the Snookmobile.  That is a great name.  It is a
name with an illustrious history.  You can continue the tradition of
the "Snookmobile" name.  It's sort of like how they keep building new
starships in Star Trek and renaming them Enterprise.   You can call
your E320 "Snookmobile"   Do the name proud, my friend.

Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[kevin kraly]

Go for the TD!  What year is it?  I would think that it would still outrun 
Gump with the manny and NA engine.


Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon

-Original Message- 
From: redghost

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 2:13 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on this
car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the
aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare
system and you only prolong her death.

I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also found
a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.
Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body
off restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel
and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.

The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer
being less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her
buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees
Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old.  I
will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age
where she is wearing out and needs things done.  I will then point out
that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer
model.  One without the sags and wrinkles.  Able to produce vigorously.

clay

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive 
whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've  seen 
you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I  don't believe 
it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.



BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour  from 
I90...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a  hobby
as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that  gripe 
at their men because they like cars yet they have everything  they need 
should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to  beat on women, 
then maybe they will have something to complain about


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield 
wrote:



Clay,
 Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at  home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or 
hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could  be 
much,

much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:

Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and  have to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to  have
the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Craig]

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 22:27:31 -0500 OK Don  wrote:

> Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish?
> 
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craig  wrote:
> 
> > Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ...

No, more like toccata-ish or passacaglia-ish or maybe even chaconne-ish.

:-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[G Mann]

SWMBO must be a young woman an older woman would view your efforts to
"keep the old girl cared for as long as possible" in an entirely different
light.  Mark this date in your mind,,, there will come a time when wrinkles
and bad knees, flabby arms and sagging [well let's just say,,, gravity
always wins shall we] anyway, the idea of being loved and preserved just
because you have been faithful and are worth the effort regardless of the
"mileage" will have a lot more meaning to her.

Grant...

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 6:08 PM, redghost  wrote:

> I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes
> economically unfit for further medical care.  Death panels will decide she
> had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have died years
> ago.  She hated that car from the moment it arrived.  Must have made her
> benz look bad?
>
> clay
>
>
> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote:
>
>  Careful, careful.   ;<)))
>>
>> Wilton
>>
>> - Original Message ----- From: "redghost" 
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
>>
>>
>>  I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on this  car
>>> really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the  aged
>>> grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare  system and
>>> you only prolong her death.
>>> I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also found  a
>>> nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.   Gump was
>>> wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body  off
>>> restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel  and dime
>>> upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.
>>> The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer  being
>>> less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her  buy off on
>>> the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees  Gump as always
>>> needing something and not of value for being old.  I  will remind her of her
>>> outlook when she reaches that advanced age  where she is wearing out and
>>> needs things done.  I will then point out  that she has ceased to have value
>>> and I should be getting a newer  model.  One without the sags and wrinkles.
>>>  Able to produce vigorously.
>>> clay
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
>>> 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>>> On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.
>>>>
>>>> You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive
>>>>  whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've  seen
>>>> you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I  don't believe 
>>>> it
>>>> now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour  from
>>>> I90...
>>>>
>>>> -Curt
>>>>
>>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
>>>> From: Randy Bennell 
>>>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
>>>> Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
>>>> every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
>>>> buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.
>>>>
>>>> Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a  hobby
>>>> as much as a means of transport.
>>>>
>>>> Randy
>>>>
>>>> On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that
>>>>>  gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything  they
>>>>> need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to  beat on women,
>>>>> then maybe they will have something to

Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[OK Don]

Does that mean she considers it to be fugue-ish?

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Craig  wrote:

> Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ...
>
>
> Craig
>
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1990 300D 2.5T
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Craig]

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 08:47:53 -0500 Donald Snook  wrote:

> What do you mean "?" for the name of the present E320.  I think you
> already have a name - the Snookmobile.  That is a great name.  It is a
> name with an illustrious history.  You can continue the tradition of
> the "Snookmobile" name.  It's sort of like how they keep building new
> starships in Star Trek and renaming them Enterprise.   You can call
> your E320 "Snookmobile"   Do the name proud, my friend.

Shirley says we should call it Sebastian, as in Johann Sebastian ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Walt Zarnoch]

I still don't know why you're putting your family through this.

Walt

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Mountain Man  wrote:
> Clay wrote:
>> I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes
>> economically unfit for further medical care.
>
> Death panels have always existed.
> I don't need to wait for obamacare - I'll be gone in 6 months,
> unemployed, uninsured, insulin is tirelessly expensive, I lost all
> desire to bother with uncle sam.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Rick Knoble]

> Peter wrote
> Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for?

She Who Must Be Adored

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Mountain Man]

Clay wrote:
> I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes
> economically unfit for further medical care.

Death panels have always existed.
I don't need to wait for obamacare - I'll be gone in 6 months,
unemployed, uninsured, insulin is tirelessly expensive, I lost all
desire to bother with uncle sam.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

I was commenting more upon the obamacare fiasco when granny becomes  
economically unfit for further medical care.  Death panels will decide  
she had a good life, much as SWMBA has decided that Gump should have  
died years ago.  She hated that car from the moment it arrived.  Must  
have made her benz look bad?


clay


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On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:13 PM, WILTON wrote:


Careful, careful.   ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "redghost" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD


I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on  
this  car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the  
equivalent of the  aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash  
into the healthcare  system and you only prolong her death.
I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also  
found  a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs  
better.   Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed  
a full body  off restoration to continue living for the long term.   
Doing nickel  and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she  
deserved.
The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer   
being less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get  
her  buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only  
sees  Gump as always needing something and not of value for being  
old.  I  will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that  
advanced age  where she is wearing out and needs things done.  I  
will then point out  that she has ceased to have value and I should  
be getting a newer  model.  One without the sags and wrinkles.   
Able to produce vigorously.

clay
1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll  
drive  whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that  
engine! I've  seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it  
then and I  don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to  
work.



BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1  
hour  from I90...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing  
at

every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a   
hobby

as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women  
that  gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have  
everything  they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or  
who likes to  beat on women, then maybe they will have something  
to complain about


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael  
Canfield   wrote:



Clay,
Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time  
at  home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you  
or  hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby  
could  be much,

much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and   
have to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short  
block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want  
to  have

the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay


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[WILTON]

Careful, careful.   ;<)))

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "redghost" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD


I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on this  
car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the  
aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare  
system and you only prolong her death.


I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also found  
a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.   
Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body  
off restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel  
and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.


The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer  
being less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her  
buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees  
Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old.  I  
will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age  
where she is wearing out and needs things done.  I will then point out  
that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer  
model.  One without the sags and wrinkles.  Able to produce vigorously.


clay

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive  
whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've  
seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I  
don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.



BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour  
from I90...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a  
hobby

as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that  
gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything  
they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to  
beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield   
wrote:



Clay,
 Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at  
home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or  
hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could  
be much,

much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and  
have to

redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to  
have

the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Or SWMBO - she who must be obeyed

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On Jul 25, 2011, at 5:20 PM, redghost  wrote:

She Who Must Be Annoyed

On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote:

Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for?

Stupidly yours

Peter

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever
I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up
on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull
those eBay ads and get to work.


BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from
I90...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby
as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe
at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need
should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then
maybe they will have something to complain about

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield
wrote:

Clay,
Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or
hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could be
much,
much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have
the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay

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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

She Who Must Be Annoyed

On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Peter Hertzing wrote:

Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand  
for?


Stupidly yours

Peter

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond   
wrote:



Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive  
whatever
I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen  
you give up
on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it  
now. Pull

those eBay ads and get to work.


BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour  
from

I90...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a  
hobby

as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that  
gripe
at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they  
need
should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on  
women, then

maybe they will have something to complain about


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield

wrote:



Clay,
 Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time  
at home

wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or

hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby  
could be

much,

much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and  
have to

redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to  
have

the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay


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1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

I have actively given up on Gump.  The laundry list of needs on this  
car really are excessive. I love her, but she is the equivalent of the  
aged grandma who you can continue pouring cash into the healthcare  
system and you only prolong her death.


I have to let go and just remember the sweet times we had.  Also found  
a nice euro TD with manual trans that fits my present needs better.   
Gump was wonderfully idiosyncratic, but she really needed a full body  
off restoration to continue living for the long term.  Doing nickel  
and dime upgrades was not doing her the justice she deserved.


The newer car is more cash, but SWMBA sees only the logic of newer  
being less wrong than money  pit.  Newer money pit, but I can get her  
buy off on the TD than putting that cash into Gump.  She only sees  
Gump as always needing something and not of value for being old.  I  
will remind her of her outlook when she reaches that advanced age  
where she is wearing out and needs things done.  I will then point out  
that she has ceased to have value and I should be getting a newer  
model.  One without the sags and wrinkles.  Able to produce vigorously.


clay

1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers





On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive  
whatever I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've  
seen you give up on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I  
don't believe it now. Pull those eBay ads and get to work.



BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour  
from I90...


-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a  
hobby

as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that  
gripe at their men because they like cars yet they have everything  
they need should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to  
beat on women, then maybe they will have something to complain about


Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield   
wrote:



Clay,
 Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at  
home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or  
hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could  
be much,

much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and  
have to

redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to  
have

the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay


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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

Her hobby is to torment the boys and men in her life with her pious  
manner and lack of vices.  I am can not think of anything she does  
that could be called a "hobby" other than making jam or sweet  
goodies.  Not going to knock her for that.   I like the rare sweet  
treat or well slathered toast.



clay

Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers




On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:44 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:


Get on her butt about a perfectly acceptable hobby of hers? But that
could get nasty...

Walt

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell  
 wrote:


OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing  
at every
opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly  
buying new

clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a  
hobby as

much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that  
gripe at
their men because they like cars yet they have everything they  
need should
try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then  
maybe

they will have something to complain about

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael  
Canfield  wrote:



Clay,
 Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time  
at home

wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or
hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby  
could be

much,
much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:


Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and  
have to

redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to  
have

the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay




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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Mitch Haley]

Peter Hertzing wrote:

Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for?


I can't remember if it was originally a reference to Jill Cathey or Clay's wife, 
but it stands for She Who Must Be Annoyed. (last word is normally Obeyed).


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Randy Bennell]

Some version of SWMBO - she who must be obeyed.

Maybe she who must be answered?

or a typo?

I "think" the original came from the Rumpole of the Bailey books as 
Horace Rumpole, the old barrister hack referred to his wife in that manner.


Randy


On 25/07/2011 1:48 PM, Peter Hertzing wrote:

Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for?

Stupidly yours

Peter

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:


Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever
I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up
on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull
those eBay ads and get to work.


BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from
I90...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
From: Randy Bennell
To: Mercedes Discussion List
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OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby
as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe

at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need
should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then
maybe they will have something to complain about

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield

  wrote:

Clay,
   Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or

hanging

out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could be

much,

much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"   wrote:

Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have
the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Peter Hertzing]

Okay in over 3 years I have not figured it out what does SWMBA stand for?

Stupidly yours

Peter

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.
>
> You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever
> I dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up
> on Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull
> those eBay ads and get to work.
>
>
> BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from
> I90...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
> From: Randy Bennell 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD
> Message-ID: <4e2d8b5b.6080...@bennell.ca>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
> every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
> buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.
>
> Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby
> as much as a means of transport.
>
> Randy
>
> On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> > Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe
> at their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need
> should try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then
> maybe they will have something to complain about
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield
>  wrote:
> >
> >> Clay,
> >>   Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home
> >> wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or
> hanging
> >> out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could be
> much,
> >> much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
> >>> Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to
> >>> redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
> >>> for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have
> >>> the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
> >>> Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.
> >>>
> >>> Clay
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Curt Raymond]

Dang it, I can remain silent no longer.

You could just stand up and say "Darling I love you but I'll drive whatever I 
dammed well please", call Kaleb and get that engine! I've seen you give up on 
Gump before, I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now. Pull those 
eBay ads and get to work.


BTW: Walt I've got a 616 pump, $50 if you pull, central MA, 1 hour from I90...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 10:27:23 -0500
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OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.

Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby
as much as a means of transport.

Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at 
> their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should 
> try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they 
> will have something to complain about
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
>
>> Clay,
>>   Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home
>> wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging
>> out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could be much,
>> much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.
>>
>> Mike
>> On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:
>>> Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to
>>> redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
>>> for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have
>>> the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
>>> Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.
>>>
>>> Clay

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Walt Zarnoch]

Get on her butt about a perfectly acceptable hobby of hers? But that
could get nasty...

Walt

On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Randy Bennell  wrote:
>
> OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at every
> opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly buying new
> clubs etc. Not uncommon.
>
> Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby as
> much as a means of transport.
>
> Randy
>
> On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>>
>> Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at
>> their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should
>> try a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe
>> they will have something to complain about
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:
>>
>>> Clay,
>>>  Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home
>>> wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or
>>> hanging
>>> out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could be
>>> much,
>>> much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.
>>>
>>> Mike
>>> On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:

 Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to
 redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
 for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have
 the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
 Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

 Clay

>
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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Randy Bennell]

OR, even less controversial - how about taking up golf and playing at 
every opportunity and dropping $50 to $150 each time plus constantly 
buying new clubs etc. Not uncommon.


Your good wife should learn to appreciate the fact that Gump is a hobby 
as much as a means of transport.


Randy

On 23/07/2011 9:28 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Women are just stupid that's all their is to it. These women that gripe at 
their men because they like cars yet they have everything they need should try 
a man with a cocaine habit or who likes to beat on women, then maybe they will 
have something to complain about

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Michael Canfield  wrote:


Clay,
  Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on?  Seems your hobby could be much,
much worse.  Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:

Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have
the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay




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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Donald Snook]

Craig wrote:  "I do as well.

Present:'95 E320   ?  107 kmi
   '94 E420Oskar  119 kmi
'82 240D/3.0Bluebell   264 kmi
Past:   '86 190E/2.3
'72 220/8
'64 190Dc   Emma
'72 220D/8  Herman 186 kmi "


What do you mean "?" for the name of the present E320.  I think you already 
have a name - the Snookmobile.  That is a great name.  It is a name with an 
illustrious history.  You can continue the tradition of the "Snookmobile" name. 
 It's sort of like how they keep building new starships in Star Trek and 
renaming them Enterprise.   You can call your E320 "Snookmobile"   Do the name 
proud, my friend.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Curt Raymond]

Which reminds me I finally named my '84 190D. Walking back to the car the other 
night in the airport parking lot I was thinking "What a fine little automobile, 
I shall call you Ducky".
I'd been watching NCIS on the plane if anybody gets that reference.

Then the little b@$tard proceeded to try to overheat all the way home. A quart 
of added coolant in the morning and everything is happy again. Need to spend 
some time tracking the leak.

-Curt

Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:33:06 -0500
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> Bob Rentfro wrote:

> RIP Gump. One of the last named cars.

?? 

I have quite a few.  Every one of them is named.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[Walt Zarnoch]

I'm in Central NY, so it'd be quite a haul...

Walt

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 8:30 PM, redghost  wrote:
> How far do I need to travel to avail myself of your pump inpaired engine?
>
> clay monroe
> 5702 43rd ave NE
> Seattle 98105
>
> 206 920-6292
>
> On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>
>> Torn vac governor diaphragm from what I can tell. It SEVERLY overfuels,
>> and
>> when you open the butterfly, it starts reving for the moon.
>>
>> Walt
>> On Jul 23, 2011 3:09 PM, "redghost"  wrote:
>>>
>>> what sort of pump gremlins?
>>>
>>> DAMN! you tempted me. Ok, spill... what is up with it?
>>>
>>>
>>> Clay
>>>
>>> BTW, dumping all the good parts from Gump onto eBay at the moment
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:50 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>>
 I've got a 2.4 with pump gremlins if that helps you any?

 Walt

 On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:36 AM, redghost 
 wrote:
>
> he has no runners that I know of, and SWMBA is no longer in the
> mood to
> humor my attempts to make Gump run. Figure I just bank this for
> another day
> when I have a stupid desire for a car and I can trot out how I
> finally gave
> up on Gump and she should now humor me once more.
>
> Clay
>
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>
>> Why not pay Kaleb $250 a ton for a new engine?
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:20 AM, redghost 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and
>>> have to
>>> redo
>>> the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
>>> for cracks
>>> there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the
>>> fight
>>> with
>>> SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let her
>>> go I
>>> can always find another wife anyway.
>>>
>>> Clay
>>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:
>>>
> some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there
> looks to
> be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild.

 Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods...

 -- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

I would love to replace Gump with this. Could hit the PnP all week  
long, and never find a part for it


Clay



On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Michael Canfield wrote:


Clay,
 I suggest spending time at a friends house while telling the Warden  
you
are at the strip club.  I don't know your Mrs. but it sure sounds  
like she

needs a wakeup call from the way you say she owns you.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 3:12 PM, "redghost"  wrote:

I did point out that the bar bill and time at strip clubs had
decreased to near nothing since Gump arrived. She thinks I am still
and idiot and should use my time in the garden or other girl type
behaviour. Not my idea of fun. She is even making my beloved hens
leave home, since the kids are worthless at having pets and my
cholesterol is so bad my MD called her to complain. Best damn fresh
eggs in the world!

clay

Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers




On Jul 23, 2011, at 5:25 AM, Michael Canfield wrote:


Clay,
Ask SWMBA this...Would she prefer that you spend your time at
home
wrenching on Gump where you are at her service if she needs you or
hanging
out at the bar with the guys tying one on? Seems your hobby could
be much,
much worse. Some ladies just need to come to realize that.

Mike
On Jul 23, 2011 2:20 AM, "redghost"  wrote:

Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and have
to
redo the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to  
have

the fight with SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump.
Best to let her go I can always find another wife anyway.

Clay

On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there
looks to be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild.


Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods...

-- Jim




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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

I am beginning to suspect SWMBA is in a tizzy about #1 boy going to  
college and is making a massive sweep of the property in an attempt to  
find meaning in her life.  Chix love the boy, whereas #2 boy is not  
favored of chix, because he does not lavish praise upon them or do his  
chores related to them.  Told him if I treated him the way he cares  
for the chickens, he would die of thirst, but would be well on his way  
to starvation as he died.



clay

Gump - She is green, simple and runs and runs
Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
POS SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers




On Jul 23, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote:


Dieselhead wrote:

Tell the MD to read up.  (S)He was indoctrinated 30 years ago with
incomplete (or false) information.  Eggs don't raise your  
cholesterol.


Listen to People's Pharmacy radio show July 23, 2011:
http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2011/07/23/786-cholesterol-controversy/

I remember in 1974 begin of my life in the 'free market' slavery
market - I asked the food company biologist about the egg scare.  He
was an old dude and told me that eggs are balanced relative to
cholesterol.  Plus, you are raising those chix in a stress free
environs and much better food than they receive in the high stress,
high output environ/food at an egg farm.  I picked eggs at an egg
pharm for years one day per week.  Yuck!  Purely disgusting in early
'70's - probably much worse today.  Eggs are delicious when the chix
are treated decently like yours are.  Fuggedabout losing the chix -
keep'em.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[redghost]

How far do I need to travel to avail myself of your pump inpaired  
engine?


clay monroe
5702 43rd ave NE
Seattle 98105

206 920-6292

On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Torn vac governor diaphragm from what I can tell. It SEVERLY  
overfuels, and

when you open the butterfly, it starts reving for the moon.

Walt
On Jul 23, 2011 3:09 PM, "redghost"  wrote:

what sort of pump gremlins?

DAMN! you tempted me. Ok, spill... what is up with it?


Clay

BTW, dumping all the good parts from Gump onto eBay at the moment

On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:50 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:


I've got a 2.4 with pump gremlins if that helps you any?

Walt

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:36 AM, redghost 
wrote:

he has no runners that I know of, and SWMBA is no longer in the
mood to
humor my attempts to make Gump run. Figure I just bank this for
another day
when I have a stupid desire for a car and I can trot out how I
finally gave
up on Gump and she should now humor me once more.

Clay



On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:


Why not pay Kaleb $250 a ton for a new engine?

Walt

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 2:20 AM, redghost 
wrote:


Tear down and full rebuild, since there are leaks in seals and
have to
redo
the cylinder walls. Did not look much more at the short block
for cracks
there. Threw in the towel since I just do not want to have the
fight
with
SWMBA over my overly emotional attachment to Gump. Best to let  
her

go I
can always find another wife anyway.

Clay

On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:11 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


some crazing on top of #1. Crap! That is a CRACK! and there
looks to
be No way will I be able to swing a rebuild.


Just a piston, innit? Got a clutch of them down in the woods...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD

[WILTON]

Mine are named, too:  "Blackun" and "Whiteun."  I'd say "Schwartze" und 
"Weisse," but SWMBO wouldn't understand.


Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] GUMP is DEAD



On Sat, 23 Jul 2011 17:33:06 -0500 Fmiser  wrote:


> Bob Rentfro wrote:

> RIP Gump. One of the last named cars.

??

I have quite a few.  Every one of them is named.


I do as well.


Craig

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'94 E420Oskar  119 kmi
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