Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

I’m trying to recall if these are like the W123, where you have to get a bunch 
of extensions to reach back along the side of the transmission case just to get 
leverage on them?

Don’t think I’ve ever done a W126 starter.

-D

> On Nov 23, 2022, at 7:59 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have to be underneath to change the starter.  Two bolts, long extension.
> 
> They tend to lock up when bad, I’ve had two do that.
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On Nov 22, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Pulled the valve cover and nothing going on there. I think the clank was the 
>> valves popping back up. After cranking a while that seemed to go away. It 
>> did act like it might be close to trying to start but then I think the 
>> starter blew up. I didn’t thing I really cranked on it that hard to burn it 
>> up but will try it again later. How hard is the starter to replace on one of 
>> these from above?
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Have to be underneath to change the starter.  Two bolts, long extension.

They tend to lock up when bad, I’ve had two do that.

Peter

> On Nov 22, 2022, at 5:01 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Pulled the valve cover and nothing going on there. I think the clank was the 
> valves popping back up. After cranking a while that seemed to go away. It did 
> act like it might be close to trying to start but then I think the starter 
> blew up. I didn’t thing I really cranked on it that hard to burn it up but 
> will try it again later. How hard is the starter to replace on one of these 
> from above?
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[MBZ] The SDL

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Pulled the valve cover and nothing going on there. I think the clank was the 
valves popping back up. After cranking a while that seemed to go away. It did 
act like it might be close to trying to start but then I think the starter blew 
up. I didn’t thing I really cranked on it that hard to burn it up but will try 
it again later. How hard is the starter to replace on one of these from above?

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[MBZ] This SDL looks interesting

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/598383637445123/


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Re: [MBZ] A SDL for Curley

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

tempting, until I saw the rust AND the fuglied up exhaust.  I gather it 
has been running with no air cleaner.   Pass.


Nothing else about it scares me.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/27/19 8:36 PM:

1987 mercedes 300sdl

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/d/kansas-city-1987-mercedes-300sdl/6851557930.html






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[MBZ] A SDL for Curley

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

1987 mercedes 300sdl

https://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/d/kansas-city-1987-mercedes-300sdl/6851557930.html


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Re: [MBZ] 87 SDL IP issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

i'd guess the cam lobe is worn off, or more likely the bozo lost the 
element or something inside.   Since he screwed up the pump, my guess is 
that it will never run right unless you change the IP.


The pump on my 400k SDL is great.   You could use it.



Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 2/3/19 7:06 PM:

Take off the side plate, see if the rack is moving the #2 barrel.



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Re: [MBZ] 87 SDL IP issue

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Take off the side plate, see if the rack is moving the #2 barrel.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On February 3, 2019 3:26:38 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>So I decided to fart around with this SDL I picked up a while back that
>runs like crap, seems like it’s only running on about 4 cylinders. In
>looking at the IP somebody at some point tried to do delivery valve
>seals except they did not have he socket. The things were chewed up and
>I had a hard time getting the socket on them. The #1 delivery valve did
>not appear to have the copper washer and the spring was broken. The
>rest of them appeared to be OK as far as no missing parts but all of
>them were tightened down so much it was difficult to remove them. I did
>the job using holders from a spare parts IP. When I fired the car up,
>it’s still running like crap. I loosened each line and determined it
>seems the issue with with #2. There is no fuel at all coming out of
>that port out of the IP. I took that valve back apart and everything
>seemed fine but I went ahead and swapped out the upper barrel with
>another one and still no fuel coming out of that port. What could be
>the issue? Maybe they somehow pulled the lower part which has to be
>oriented a specific way. On several of the holes I did notice little
>metal flakes probably from slight damage to the threads from over
>tightening. All the valve holders when back in just fine. I fear I may
>end up just having to swap the IP. 

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[MBZ] 87 SDL IP issue

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I decided to fart around with this SDL I picked up a while back that runs 
like crap, seems like it’s only running on about 4 cylinders. In looking at the 
IP somebody at some point tried to do delivery valve seals except they did not 
have he socket. The things were chewed up and I had a hard time getting the 
socket on them. The #1 delivery valve did not appear to have the copper washer 
and the spring was broken. The rest of them appeared to be OK as far as no 
missing parts but all of them were tightened down so much it was difficult to 
remove them. I did the job using holders from a spare parts IP. When I fired 
the car up, it’s still running like crap. I loosened each line and determined 
it seems the issue with with #2. There is no fuel at all coming out of that 
port out of the IP. I took that valve back apart and everything seemed fine but 
I went ahead and swapped out the upper barrel with another one and still no 
fuel coming out of that port. What could be the issue? Maybe they somehow 
pulled the lower part which has to be oriented a specific way. On several of 
the holes I did notice little metal flakes probably from slight damage to the 
threads from over tightening. All the valve holders when back in just fine. I 
fear I may end up just having to swap the IP. 



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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL for sale

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Price and location?

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> On Oct 13, 2017, at 11:03 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey list folks:
> 
> My brother is wanting to sell ihis 86 300SDL.  He's replaced it with a newer 
> car.
> 
> 275k I think, engine rebuild (after a fractured oil pan incident), rebuilt 
> tranny a few years back, probably 60k miles ago.  Interior is a bit rough, 
> will need seat covers eventually, fronts are cracked and torn.
> 
> Radiator is a custom rebuild for the top tank, aluminum (since they are NLA).
> 
> Minor body damage at the rear edge of the right rear door, parking lot scrape 
> I think.
> 
> Runs well., but the AC needs work (won't hold a charge, may just be o-rings).
> 
> Will have pictures tomorrow if anyone is interested.
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[MBZ] 300 SDL for sale

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Hey list folks:

My brother is wanting to sell ihis 86 300SDL.  He's replaced it with a newer 
car.

275k I think, engine rebuild (after a fractured oil pan incident), rebuilt 
tranny a few years back, probably 60k miles ago.  Interior is a bit rough, will 
need seat covers eventually, fronts are cracked and torn.

Radiator is a custom rebuild for the top tank, aluminum (since they are NLA).

Minor body damage at the rear edge of the right rear door, parking lot scrape I 
think.

Runs well., but the AC needs work (won't hold a charge, may just be o-rings).

Will have pictures tomorrow if anyone is interested.
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The one on the right was getting hotter but both were hot. 

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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 5:08 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Which screw was getting hot, the battery side or the power consumer side of
> the relay?
> 
> About 91 deg F here in Mount Plastic, 60% humidity, nice breeze, very
> pleasant.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Good question. The gat would certainly point a finger.

-D

> On Jul 9, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Which screw was getting hot, the battery side or the power consumer side of
> the relay?
> 
> About 91 deg F here in Mount Plastic, 60% humidity, nice breeze, very
> pleasant.
> 
> -
> Max
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's next.

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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> Your problem seems to be the relay.  Have you tried swapping that out yet?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> It's great we all learn about humidity. Now what about glow plugs?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Which screw was getting hot, the battery side or the power consumer side of
the relay?

About 91 deg F here in Mount Plastic, 60% humidity, nice breeze, very
pleasant.

-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Your problem seems to be the relay.  Have you tried swapping that out yet?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 5:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's great we all learn about humidity. Now what about glow plugs?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

109 @ 40% humidity here. 

Bob R

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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> It's great we all learn about humidity. Now what about glow plugs?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Here it's 81 and 37% humidity :-).
>> 
>> Greg
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan 
>> Penoff via Mercedes
>> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 1:52 PM
>> To: Mercedes List
>> Cc: Dan Penoff
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues
>> 
>> That would be comfortable.
>> 
>> Step outside here and you’re immediately soaked.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's actually 90 with 58% humidity.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 90+ and 100% humidity.  Steamy does not even describe it.
>>>> 
>>>> -D
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

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It's great we all learn about humidity. Now what about glow plugs?

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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Here it's 81 and 37% humidity :-).
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
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> via Mercedes
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> 
> That would be comfortable.
> 
> Step outside here and you’re immediately soaked.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's actually 90 with 58% humidity.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 90+ and 100% humidity.  Steamy does not even describe it.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

Here it's 81 and 37% humidity :-).

Greg

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That would be comfortable.

Step outside here and you’re immediately soaked.

-D


> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> It's actually 90 with 58% humidity.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 90+ and 100% humidity.  Steamy does not even describe it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

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 47% humidity here, probably why it's not that bad at 98 F.

On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That would be comfortable.
>
> Step outside here and you’re immediately soaked.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It's actually 90 with 58% humidity.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 90+ and 100% humidity.  Steamy does not even describe it.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That would be comfortable.

Step outside here and you’re immediately soaked.

-D


> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:48 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's actually 90 with 58% humidity.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 90+ and 100% humidity.  Steamy does not even describe it.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

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It's actually 90 with 58% humidity.

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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 90+ and 100% humidity.  Steamy does not even describe it.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's about what it is here too
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:38 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
  It was too hot and I just got done replacing oil cooler lines on a
 6.5 diesel suburban so I was too tired to mess with it anymore.
 
>>> 
>>> Realy? How hot is it there? it's 98F here - and I'm sitting by the clay
>>> oven smoking meat and heating it for baking bread next . . .
>>> 
>>> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

90+ and 100% humidity.  Steamy does not even describe it.

-D



> On Jul 9, 2017, at 4:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's about what it is here too
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:38 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>  It was too hot and I just got done replacing oil cooler lines on a
>>> 6.5 diesel suburban so I was too tired to mess with it anymore.
>>> 
>> 
>> Realy? How hot is it there? it's 98F here - and I'm sitting by the clay
>> oven smoking meat and heating it for baking bread next . . .
>> 
>> -- 
>> OK Don


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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That's about what it is here too

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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 3:38 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>  It was too hot and I just got done replacing oil cooler lines on a
>> 6.5 diesel suburban so I was too tired to mess with it anymore.
>> 
> 
> Realy? How hot is it there? it's 98F here - and I'm sitting by the clay
> oven smoking meat and heating it for baking bread next . . .
> 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  It was too hot and I just got done replacing oil cooler lines on a
> 6.5 diesel suburban so I was too tired to mess with it anymore.
>

Realy? How hot is it there? it's 98F here - and I'm sitting by the clay
oven smoking meat and heating it for baking bread next . . .

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[MBZ] More SDL glow plug issues

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I cleaned up the fuse holder contacts and they were not really bad. I did 
find where the connector on one of the plugs was lightly rubbing the metal hold 
down for the harness holder. Problem solved or so I thought. Turn on key and no 
glow plug light. Damn. I turned on the key and went around to the relay and 
heard it click, but then clicked again a few seconds later, like maybe it's not 
really kicking in or something. I also tested all the plugs and they were all 
1.2 ohms. It was too hot and I just got done replacing oil cooler lines on a 
6.5 diesel suburban so I was too tired to mess with it anymore. I guess I will 
swap the relay next. 

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Re: [MBZ] Nice SDL, only a little bit of drug use

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"The positives outweigh the negatives."

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-/33223
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[MBZ] Nice SDL, only a little bit of drug use

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[MBZ] The SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I got a new set of gears for the odo to get it working on the SDL and took 
it for a drive yesterday. First drive of any distance since I have had it. 
Probably about 8 miles. Odo only registered about 4 miles during that time. I 
then remembered when I put it back together I forgot to put the clear plastic 
cover back on that goes over the gears and holds them in. I took it back apart 
today and put it back together correctly and it now works great. 

So over the 40 miles it was at 70 most of the wag and I gave it several hard 
run ups to speed. I can't really tell if it's getting any better or not but it 
seems like it misses when coming down from speed to idle at about 1-1.2k rpm 
and smooths out at idle. Did still get a miss a couple of times even after all 
those miles and fully warm. I drove it again today and it still runs like crap 
till you get it fully warm. Maybe it will start clearing up with some more 
miles. We shall see what kind of mileage and how much oil it's using.

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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The cheap supertech at Walmart was like 5-5. I got this for around 8 so it just 
made sense.

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> On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I use M1 in all my diffs, but to be honest, I’ve never noticed a difference.  
> It’s not that much more expensive than just regular gear oil, so I figure 
> it’s worth it.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well the first 45 minutes of the drive is 80mph on the turnpike then 75 the 
>> rest of the way till you hit the hills then it's 70.  I would take oil with 
>> me because I am not sure if the oil blowing is fixed or not from the 
>> breather hose. 
>> 
>> I did just change to diff oil in my 97 with M1. Probably just imagining but 
>> it seems quieter. I bought a case of it on Amazon so will be doing all the 
>> cars. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I use M1 in all my diffs, but to be honest, I’ve never noticed a difference.  
It’s not that much more expensive than just regular gear oil, so I figure it’s 
worth it.

Dan

 
> On Dec 20, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well the first 45 minutes of the drive is 80mph on the turnpike then 75 the 
> rest of the way till you hit the hills then it's 70.  I would take oil with 
> me because I am not sure if the oil blowing is fixed or not from the breather 
> hose. 
> 
> I did just change to diff oil in my 97 with M1. Probably just imagining but 
> it seems quieter. I bought a case of it on Amazon so will be doing all the 
> cars. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

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Well the first 45 minutes of the drive is 80mph on the turnpike then 75 the 
rest of the way till you hit the hills then it's 70.  I would take oil with me 
because I am not sure if the oil blowing is fixed or not from the breather 
hose. 

I did just change to diff oil in my 97 with M1. Probably just imagining but it 
seems quieter. I bought a case of it on Amazon so will be doing all the cars. 

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> On Dec 20, 2016, at 11:58 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Live on the edge, buddy!  Drive the 350SDL and put your foot to the floor the 
> whole way.
> 
> After all, what’s the worst that could happen?  The differential run out of 
> oil?
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So tomorrow we are going to Branson for a couple of days and I was planning 
>> on driving the 140, but am now contemplating driving the SDL. The 350 mile 
>> round trip thru the Ozarks would surely blow the carbon out, if that is in 
>> fact the issue. I am a little nervous as I have only driven it to town and 
>> back a couple of times at this point. 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Live on the edge, buddy!  Drive the 350SDL and put your foot to the floor the 
whole way.

After all, what’s the worst that could happen?  The differential run out of oil?

Dan


> On Dec 20, 2016, at 12:56 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So tomorrow we are going to Branson for a couple of days and I was planning 
> on driving the 140, but am now contemplating driving the SDL. The 350 mile 
> round trip thru the Ozarks would surely blow the carbon out, if that is in 
> fact the issue. I am a little nervous as I have only driven it to town and 
> back a couple of times at this point. 
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[MBZ] The SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So tomorrow we are going to Branson for a couple of days and I was planning on 
driving the 140, but am now contemplating driving the SDL. The 350 mile round 
trip thru the Ozarks would surely blow the carbon out, if that is in fact the 
issue. I am a little nervous as I have only driven it to town and back a couple 
of times at this point. 

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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

You may be right about the delivery valves, but you have not driven it enough 
to burn out the carbon.
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'95 E300

On December 15, 2016 7:17:53 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>The extent to which I have driven the SDL since the Bosio nozzles has
>been to town and back a couple of times picking up the kid from school,
>about 8 miles round trip. I have laid on the pedal and drove it hard
>during those 2 trips and it runs like a striped assed ape when you get
>on it. Probably the fastest SDL I have driven. The Bosio nozzles make a
>noticeable difference. I did not use the stock ones I used the higher
>output nozzles that are considered high output for the 603 and older
>and is he standard 606 nozzles. I believe they flow a little more fuel.
>
>
>So the thing runs great and has plenty of power on the road but even
>after driving it had it still has the miss at idle which starts out
>very bad cold but is less pronounced after warmed up. It's got to me
>the delivery valves.
>
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[MBZ] The SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The extent to which I have driven the SDL since the Bosio nozzles has been to 
town and back a couple of times picking up the kid from school, about 8 miles 
round trip. I have laid on the pedal and drove it hard during those 2 trips and 
it runs like a striped assed ape when you get on it. Probably the fastest SDL I 
have driven. The Bosio nozzles make a noticeable difference. I did not use the 
stock ones I used the higher output nozzles that are considered high output for 
the 603 and older and is he standard 606 nozzles. I believe they flow a little 
more fuel. 

So the thing runs great and has plenty of power on the road but even after 
driving it had it still has the miss at idle which starts out very bad cold but 
is less pronounced after warmed up. It's got to me the delivery valves.

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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

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15% if you are a MBCA member.  If you need rubber parts, the Classic Center is 
the way to go.  If you are in the middle of the project, and NEED a part, it’s 
there the next day, and I live in Maine.  Excellent service.

Jon

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> On Nov 24, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Mercedes has a “Classic Center” in Irvine, CA, that sells parts for older 
> cars, and will sometimes resurrect an NLA part if there’s enough interest.  
> Tom Hanson is the main parts guy, but recently I’ve been in contact with one 
> of his peers there, Jon Siggson.  You can email Jon directly with an inquiry 
> about the lug bolts at:
> 
> jon.sigg...@mbusa.com
> 
> A lot of people buy stuff from the Classic Center, but I’ve never quite 
> figured out why unless they’re getting a discount, as nearly anything the 
> Classic Center sells is in the same system as the dealers and readily 
> available from them, too.
> 
> Too bad OTIS doesn’t have anything - they’re are the bomb when it comes to 
> sourcing very high quality wheel bolts.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone expand on the info re "Tom, at the classic center" in order to 
>> purchase these lug bolts?  I tried the link to "https://www.otisincla.com ", 
>> but they told me they do not handle these any longer.  So I am still trying 
>> to get some.  I was hoping not to have to purchase a lot consisting of 20 
>> bolts, but rather just purchase the 6 that I currently need, but I may have 
>> to resort to getting the lot thru ebay, or elsewhere.  So be it.ThanksRalph  
>>   
>> 
>>   On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ralph,
>> 
>> You have two choices:
>> 
>> Buy replacements from the dealer.  These will have the plastic caps on the 
>> tops of the bolts that yours are missing - these are not service parts.
>> 
>> Contact https://www.otisincla.com  and give them 
>> the dimensions.  These guys are the Gods of Lug bolts and can pretty well 
>> source anything you could ever want.  They won’t be cheap, but they’ll be 
>> very high quality and won’t have the plastic caps, but solid ends.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the 
>>> car have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one 
>>> could buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
>>> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that 
>>> is the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a 
>>> ruler that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom 
>>> thread to the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I 
>>> could purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or 
>>> bolts.  Thanks
>>> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I get a 15% discount from the CC through MBCA.  Not always the cheapest but
sometimes the ONLY game in town.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
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> The classic center also has a museum.with 3 rear engine pre-war Mercedes,
> totally with seeing.
> Curt
>
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>   On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   Mercedes has a “Classic Center” in
> Irvine, CA, that sells parts for older cars, and will sometimes resurrect
> an NLA part if there’s enough interest.  Tom Hanson is the main parts guy,
> but recently I’ve been in contact with one of his peers there, Jon
> Siggson.  You can email Jon directly with an inquiry about the lug bolts at:
>
> jon.sigg...@mbusa.com
>
> A lot of people buy stuff from the Classic Center, but I’ve never quite
> figured out why unless they’re getting a discount, as nearly anything the
> Classic Center sells is in the same system as the dealers and readily
> available from them, too.
>
> Too bad OTIS doesn’t have anything - they’re are the bomb when it comes to
> sourcing very high quality wheel bolts.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone expand on the info re "Tom, at the classic center" in order
> to purchase these lug bolts?  I tried the link to "
> https://www.otisincla.com ", but they told me they do not handle these
> any longer.  So I am still trying to get some.  I was hoping not to have to
> purchase a lot consisting of 20 bolts, but rather just purchase the 6 that
> I currently need, but I may have to resort to getting the lot thru ebay, or
> elsewhere.  So be it.ThanksRalph
> >
> >On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ralph,
> >
> > You have two choices:
> >
> > Buy replacements from the dealer.  These will have the plastic caps on
> the tops of the bolts that yours are missing - these are not service parts.
> >
> > Contact https://www.otisincla.com  and give
> them the dimensions.  These guys are the Gods of Lug bolts and can pretty
> well source anything you could ever want.  They won’t be cheap, but they’ll
> be very high quality and won’t have the plastic caps, but solid ends.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on
> the car have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if
> one could buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut
> (bolt actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but
> that is the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have
> a ruler that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom
> thread to the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I
> could purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or
> bolts.  Thanks
> >> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The classic center also has a museum.with 3 rear engine pre-war Mercedes, 
totally with seeing.
Curt

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  On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:02 AM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Mercedes has a “Classic Center” in 
Irvine, CA, that sells parts for older cars, and will sometimes resurrect an 
NLA part if there’s enough interest.  Tom Hanson is the main parts guy, but 
recently I’ve been in contact with one of his peers there, Jon Siggson.  You 
can email Jon directly with an inquiry about the lug bolts at:

jon.sigg...@mbusa.com

A lot of people buy stuff from the Classic Center, but I’ve never quite figured 
out why unless they’re getting a discount, as nearly anything the Classic 
Center sells is in the same system as the dealers and readily available from 
them, too.

Too bad OTIS doesn’t have anything - they’re are the bomb when it comes to 
sourcing very high quality wheel bolts.

Dan





> On Nov 24, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone expand on the info re "Tom, at the classic center" in order to 
> purchase these lug bolts?  I tried the link to "https://www.otisincla.com ", 
> but they told me they do not handle these any longer.  So I am still trying 
> to get some.  I was hoping not to have to purchase a lot consisting of 20 
> bolts, but rather just purchase the 6 that I currently need, but I may have 
> to resort to getting the lot thru ebay, or elsewhere.  So be it.ThanksRalph   
>  
> 
>    On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Ralph,
> 
> You have two choices:
> 
> Buy replacements from the dealer.  These will have the plastic caps on the 
> tops of the bolts that yours are missing - these are not service parts.
> 
> Contact https://www.otisincla.com  and give them 
> the dimensions.  These guys are the Gods of Lug bolts and can pretty well 
> source anything you could ever want.  They won’t be cheap, but they’ll be 
> very high quality and won’t have the plastic caps, but solid ends.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the car 
>> have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could 
>> buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
>> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that is 
>> the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler 
>> that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom thread to 
>> the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could 
>> purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  
>> Thanks
>> Ralph '87 300 SDL          '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Mercedes has a “Classic Center” in Irvine, CA, that sells parts for older cars, 
and will sometimes resurrect an NLA part if there’s enough interest.  Tom 
Hanson is the main parts guy, but recently I’ve been in contact with one of his 
peers there, Jon Siggson.  You can email Jon directly with an inquiry about the 
lug bolts at:

jon.sigg...@mbusa.com

A lot of people buy stuff from the Classic Center, but I’ve never quite figured 
out why unless they’re getting a discount, as nearly anything the Classic 
Center sells is in the same system as the dealers and readily available from 
them, too.

Too bad OTIS doesn’t have anything - they’re are the bomb when it comes to 
sourcing very high quality wheel bolts.

Dan





> On Nov 24, 2016, at 10:33 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can anyone expand on the info re "Tom, at the classic center" in order to 
> purchase these lug bolts?  I tried the link to "https://www.otisincla.com ", 
> but they told me they do not handle these any longer.  So I am still trying 
> to get some.  I was hoping not to have to purchase a lot consisting of 20 
> bolts, but rather just purchase the 6 that I currently need, but I may have 
> to resort to getting the lot thru ebay, or elsewhere.  So be it.ThanksRalph   
>  
> 
>On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ralph,
> 
> You have two choices:
> 
> Buy replacements from the dealer.  These will have the plastic caps on the 
> tops of the bolts that yours are missing - these are not service parts.
> 
> Contact https://www.otisincla.com  and give them 
> the dimensions.  These guys are the Gods of Lug bolts and can pretty well 
> source anything you could ever want.  They won’t be cheap, but they’ll be 
> very high quality and won’t have the plastic caps, but solid ends.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the car 
>> have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could 
>> buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
>> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that is 
>> the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler 
>> that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom thread to 
>> the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could 
>> purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  
>> Thanks
>> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes]

Can anyone expand on the info re "Tom, at the classic center" in order to 
purchase these lug bolts?  I tried the link to "https://www.otisincla.com ", 
but they told me they do not handle these any longer.  So I am still trying to 
get some.  I was hoping not to have to purchase a lot consisting of 20 bolts, 
but rather just purchase the 6 that I currently need, but I may have to resort 
to getting the lot thru ebay, or elsewhere.  So be it.ThanksRalph    

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 11:10 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
 

 Ralph,

You have two choices:

Buy replacements from the dealer.  These will have the plastic caps on the tops 
of the bolts that yours are missing - these are not service parts.

Contact https://www.otisincla.com  and give them 
the dimensions.  These guys are the Gods of Lug bolts and can pretty well 
source anything you could ever want.  They won’t be cheap, but they’ll be very 
high quality and won’t have the plastic caps, but solid ends.

Dan


> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the car 
> have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could 
> buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that is 
> the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler 
> that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom thread to 
> the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could 
> purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  
> Thanks
> Ralph '87 300 SDL          '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[clay via Mercedes]

I may have what you need.  My SDL came with a bunch that were topless.  I 
scored a set at PnP that were able to fill the missing bolts.  


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Nov 23, 2016, at 7:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the car 
> have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could 
> buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that is 
> the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler 
> that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom thread to 
> the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could 
> purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  
> Thanks
> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

The car had Bundt wheels and lugs I picked up the 15 slot, 126 wheels
and trial fitted them... the Bundt wheel lugs were short, only engaged 2
threads,  did the research and found the later style wheels require longer
lug bolts..

So, definitely, there is a "long and a short"...

Also, Mercedes uses a rather unique "ball" seating / centering design which
really imparts a lot of energy into the grip action.. I would strongly
suggest that factory torque values be used, only.

The rest of the automotive world uses  taper forcing cone design, which in
my humble opinion is much less than the superior Mercedes design.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:06 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> AFIK, there is only one length for the Gen II 126.  (with the extension
> for the 15 hole rim) Ralph's 92 mm or 9.2 cm sounds about right.
> Non-standard wheels may need non-standard bolt lengths.
>
> David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>> November 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM
>> Make sure you double-check the length. Too long and they will interfere
>> in the rear brakes. Too short and the wheel falls off.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

On a 201 too short means they won't install. My '84 came with 14" wheels that 
used short bolts, the 15" wheels I already had used long bolts. The short bolts 
wouldn't even start to catch the threads on the newer wheels.
-Curt

  From: David Bruckmann via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: David Bruckmann <bruckma...@transcontinental.ca>
 Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:41 PM
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Make sure you double-check the length. Too long and they will interfere in the 
rear brakes. Too short and the wheel falls off.


On 11/23/16, Ralph wrote:
>
>I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126. ?The bolts that are on the car 
>have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could buy 
>just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt actually). 
>?The length is 3 5/8". ?It is probably a metric size, but that is the closest 
>I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler that has MM, 
>and it shows it is 9.2mm. ?(Measured from the bottom thread to the top of the 
>bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could purchase these, and 
>what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts. ?Thanks
>Ralph '87 300 SDL? ? ? ? ? '84 300 CD


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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

AFIK, there is only one length for the Gen II 126.  (with the extension 
for the 15 hole rim) Ralph's 92 mm or 9.2 cm sounds about right.  
Non-standard wheels may need non-standard bolt lengths.



David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
November 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM
Make sure you double-check the length. Too long and they will 
interfere in the rear brakes. Too short and the wheel falls off.





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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

Make sure you double-check the length. Too long and they will interfere in the 
rear brakes. Too short and the wheel falls off.


On 11/23/16, Ralph wrote:
>
>I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126. ?The bolts that are on the car 
>have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could buy 
>just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt actually). 
>?The length is 3 5/8". ?It is probably a metric size, but that is the closest 
>I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler that has MM, 
>and it shows it is 9.2mm. ?(Measured from the bottom thread to the top of the 
>bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could purchase these, and 
>what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts. ?Thanks
>Ralph '87 300 SDL? ? ? ? ? '84 300 CD


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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/wheels-tires/333070-1991-sdl-w126-overtorqued-bent-wheel-bolts.html
posts and pictures pretty well explains it.

Craig via Mercedes 
November 23, 2016 at 12:24 PM
On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:42:24 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Can you post a picture of the bolts?

I'm having a hard time picturing what you are describing.

Thanks,


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

This may lead you to what you seek.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050890.m570.l1311.R6.TR9.TRC0.A0.H1.XMercedes+lug+.TRS0&_nkw=mercedes+benz+lug+bolts&_sacat=6000

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:24 AM, Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:42:24 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Thanks both of you.  It’s one of those minor irritation appearances
> > items that I notice when I wash the car and not any other time, it
> > seems.
> >
> > I’ll check eBay first once I get a length for mine and see if I can
> > find some there.  I would rather go aftermarket with the solid ends
> > than the plastic things the OE ones had.
>
> Can you post a picture of the bolts?
>
> I'm having a hard time picturing what you are describing.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2016 11:42:24 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Thanks both of you.  It’s one of those minor irritation appearances
> items that I notice when I wash the car and not any other time, it
> seems.
> 
> I’ll check eBay first once I get a length for mine and see if I can
> find some there.  I would rather go aftermarket with the solid ends
> than the plastic things the OE ones had.

Can you post a picture of the bolts?

I'm having a hard time picturing what you are describing.

Thanks,


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

on 86 and 87 the original end plugs were light alloy of some sort.


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 23, 2016 at 10:42 AM
Thanks both of you. It’s one of those minor irritation appearances 
items that I notice when I wash the car and not any other time, it seems.


I’ll check eBay first once I get a length for mine and see if I can 
find some there. I would rather go aftermarket with the solid ends 
than the plastic things the OE ones had.


Dan




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G Mann via Mercedes 
November 23, 2016 at 10:31 AM
Check on Ebay, I bought a full set for the coupe I'm restoring there..
solid steel, chrome, so no caps to deal with, for not to bad price. MUCH
cheaper than dealer. They are available there in two lengths.. I'm 
going to

use a set of 126, 15 slot wheels [I know you purist,, not period correct,
but I like the look and 15 inch tire selections]. The 126 wheels require
the longer thread / bolt length.

Ebay motors.. search "Mercedes lug bolts" .. should find a listing there..

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Curley McLain 
November 23, 2016 at 10:10 AM
You can buy them from Tom at the classic center for sure.  The new 
ones don't have the cap.  They are $5-6 each.



Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
November 23, 2016 at 9:02 AM
I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on 
the car have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering 
if one could buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole 
nut (bolt actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric 
size, but that is the closest I could come to with a normal measuring 
tape, I do have a ruler that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm. 
 (Measured from the bottom thread to the top of the bolt, without the 
cap on.Can anyone advise where I could purchase these, and what they 
are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  Thanks

Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I got a set of the cheap Chinee wheel centers for the 1994 S420. They lasted 
about 6 months before the paint started fading.

Snagged a set of the real thing (cast aluminum, enameled paint, etc.) from a 
guy on Benzworld a few months ago for $25.  They’re black rather than the dark 
blue, and they look really sharp on the S420.  The difference in quality is 
light years better.

Nice accent - I wouldn’t mind having a set for all my cars.

Dan


> On Nov 23, 2016, at 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If I recall correctly, I paid $56 +- for a full set plus 5 spares [just
> cause] plus shipping.
> Now, all the lugs match, are bright and fresh..
> 
> Just remembered, I also got a full set of the Mercedes emblem plastic caps
> that cover the center hole in the rim as well.. don't recall what I paid,
> but compared to dealer, it was Cheep Really dressed up the
> rims nicely.. with fresh strip & paint, of course.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Last of those I bought some years ago they were like $2 each, maybe from 
Rusty


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On 11/23/16 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Just remembered, I also got a full set of the Mercedes emblem plastic caps
that cover the center hole in the rim as well.. don't recall what I paid,
but compared to dealer, it was Cheep Really dressed up the
rims nicely.. with fresh strip & paint, of course.


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“Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or 
petty,
never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
enemy.”


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[G Mann via Mercedes]

If I recall correctly, I paid $56 +- for a full set plus 5 spares [just
cause] plus shipping.
Now, all the lugs match, are bright and fresh..

Just remembered, I also got a full set of the Mercedes emblem plastic caps
that cover the center hole in the rim as well.. don't recall what I paid,
but compared to dealer, it was Cheep Really dressed up the
rims nicely.. with fresh strip & paint, of course.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks both of you.  It’s one of those minor irritation appearances items
> that I notice when I wash the car and not any other time, it seems.
>
> I’ll check eBay first once I get a length for mine and see if I can find
> some there.  I would rather go aftermarket with the solid ends than the
> plastic things the OE ones had.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Nov 23, 2016, at 11:31 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Check on Ebay, I bought a full set for the coupe I'm restoring there..
> > solid steel, chrome, so no caps to deal with, for not to bad price. MUCH
> > cheaper than dealer. They are available there in two lengths.. I'm going
> to
> > use a set of 126, 15 slot wheels [I know you purist,, not period correct,
> > but I like the look and 15 inch tire selections]. The 126 wheels require
> > the longer thread / bolt length.
> >
> > Ebay motors.. search "Mercedes lug bolts" .. should find a listing
> there..
> >
>
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Thanks both of you.  It’s one of those minor irritation appearances items that 
I notice when I wash the car and not any other time, it seems.

I’ll check eBay first once I get a length for mine and see if I can find some 
there.  I would rather go aftermarket with the solid ends than the plastic 
things the OE ones had.

Dan


> On Nov 23, 2016, at 11:31 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Check on Ebay, I bought a full set for the coupe I'm restoring there..
> solid steel, chrome, so no caps to deal with, for not to bad price. MUCH
> cheaper than dealer. They are available there in two lengths.. I'm going to
> use a set of 126, 15 slot wheels [I know you purist,, not period correct,
> but I like the look and 15 inch tire selections]. The 126 wheels require
> the longer thread / bolt length.
> 
> Ebay motors.. search "Mercedes lug bolts" .. should find a listing there..
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The end on the new one is similar to the ones with the cap.  (finished)  
According to Tom, about 10 months ago, the available ones don't have the 
caps, but have the end forged like a 123 bolt, but it has the profile of 
the old ones with the cap.  I ordered one, but it is at #1 Daughter's 
house, so I can't get the PN from it right now.


If you want ones with the cap, you might try tri-star or another 
knackers in the no-precipitation belt.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 23, 2016 at 10:24 AM
Are the new ones just flat on the ends, or are they missing the caps? 
I just looked at the EPC and the caps were a separate part - I din’t 
think they were, but that might be due to them being NLA when I looked 
a while back.


I’ve got a couple on the 350SDL that are missing the caps I’ve been 
thinking about replacing. Haven’t looked into it recently so I wasn’t 
sure what the options were…


Dan



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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Check on Ebay, I bought a full set for the coupe I'm restoring there..
solid steel, chrome, so no caps to deal with, for not to bad price. MUCH
cheaper than dealer. They are available there in two lengths.. I'm going to
use a set of 126, 15 slot wheels [I know you purist,, not period correct,
but I like the look and 15 inch tire selections]. The 126 wheels require
the longer thread / bolt length.

Ebay motors.. search "Mercedes lug bolts" .. should find a listing there..

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> You can buy them from Tom at the classic center for sure.  The new ones
> don't have the cap.  They are $5-6 each.
>
> Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>> November 23, 2016 at 9:02 AM
>>
>> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the
>> car have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one
>> could buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt
>> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that
>> is the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a
>> ruler that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom
>> thread to the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I
>> could purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or
>> bolts.  Thanks
>> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Are the new ones just flat on the ends, or are they missing the caps? I just 
looked at the EPC and the caps were a separate part - I din’t think they were, 
but that might be due to them being NLA when I looked a while back.

I’ve got a couple on the 350SDL that are missing the caps I’ve been thinking 
about replacing.  Haven’t looked into it recently so I wasn’t sure what the 
options were…

Dan


> On Nov 23, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You can buy them from Tom at the classic center for sure.  The new ones don't 
> have the cap.  They are $5-6 each.
> 
>> Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>> November 23, 2016 at 9:02 AM
>> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the car 
>> have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could 
>> buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
>> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that is 
>> the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler 
>> that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom thread to 
>> the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could 
>> purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  
>> Thanks
>> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

You can buy them from Tom at the classic center for sure.  The new ones 
don't have the cap.  They are $5-6 each.



Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
November 23, 2016 at 9:02 AM
I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on 
the car have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering 
if one could buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole 
nut (bolt actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric 
size, but that is the closest I could come to with a normal measuring 
tape, I do have a ruler that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm. 
 (Measured from the bottom thread to the top of the bolt, without the 
cap on.Can anyone advise where I could purchase these, and what they 
are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  Thanks

Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD


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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Ralph,

You have two choices:

Buy replacements from the dealer.  These will have the plastic caps on the tops 
of the bolts that yours are missing - these are not service parts.

Contact https://www.otisincla.com  and give them 
the dimensions.  These guys are the Gods of Lug bolts and can pretty well 
source anything you could ever want.  They won’t be cheap, but they’ll be very 
high quality and won’t have the plastic caps, but solid ends.

Dan


> On Nov 23, 2016, at 10:02 AM, Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the car 
> have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could 
> buy just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt 
> actually).  The length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that is 
> the closest I could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler 
> that has MM, and it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom thread to 
> the top of the bolt, without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could 
> purchase these, and what they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  
> Thanks
> Ralph '87 300 SDL  '84 300 CD
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[MBZ] 300 SDL wheel lug nuts

[Ralph,'84TD via Mercedes]

I am looking for 6 wheel lug nuts for my 126.  The bolts that are on the car 
have several without the top cap in place and I was wondering if one could buy 
just the caps, or if not, where to purchase the whole nut (bolt actually).  The 
length is 3 5/8".  It is probably a metric size, but that is the closest I 
could come to with a normal measuring tape, I do have a ruler that has MM, and 
it shows it is 9.2mm.  (Measured from the bottom thread to the top of the bolt, 
without the cap on.Can anyone advise where I could purchase these, and what 
they are officially referred as; nuts or bolts.  Thanks
Ralph '87 300 SDL          '84 300 CD
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

I have a set of table rails.  the sort that allows you to stretch a table.  
Maybe those will be useful.  Then Jim could have a short as well as LONG wheel 
base car.

clay

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like an opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". Jack up 
> both ends so its not sagging and weld some bed rails in...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
> To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
> 
> 
> passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's lost 
> interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?
> 
> No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed a 
> new cat, etc.Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided 
> whether to resurrect itor not for this year.
> 
> However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim would 
> get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder Loving 
> Cup instead of Clay.
> 
> I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door 
> because of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat 
> falling through the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all 
> rusting through again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

clay wrote:
> The W115 cars are rarer than hen’s teeth at PnP.  Trying to find a gen II 
> w126 is getting hard.

PnP is unobtainium in IL.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I wrote ends I really meant halves. You'd run 4x6s under the two halves to 
support the car with the angle iron (bed rails are bonus points) trapped 
between the blocks and the car. Jack up slowly, weld rails in place, very 
redneck...
-Curt

  From: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
   
naa, it is not the ends that sag, it is the center.  It is very difficult to 
get the parts aligned to replace/repair rockers that have allowed the body to 
sag.  My old winter 190Dc was that bad.  The old SDL is getting there.

The other difficulty is that there is little left to jack on where the jack 
won't punch through, or the metal wrinkles and buckles above the jack.

   Curt Raymond via Mercedes  September 8, 2016 at 9:24 AM  Sounds like an 
opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". Jack up both ends so its 
not sagging and weld some bed rails in...
-Curt





   
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

naa, it is not the ends that sag, it is the center.  It is very 
difficult to get the parts aligned to replace/repair rockers that have 
allowed the body to sag.  My old winter 190Dc was that bad.  The old SDL 
is getting there.


The other difficulty is that there is little left to jack on where the 
jack won't punch through, or the metal wrinkles and buckles above the jack.

Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
September 8, 2016 at 9:24 AM
Sounds like an opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". 
Jack up both ends so its not sagging and weld some bed rails in...

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Sounds like an opportunity for a YouTube show, "Frankenheap rescue!". Jack up 
both ends so its not sagging and weld some bed rails in...
-Curt

  From: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
 To: Curt Raymond <curtlud...@yahoo.com>; Mercedes Discussion List 
<mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2016 12:10 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
   

passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's lost 
interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?

No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed a 
new cat, etc.Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided 
whether to resurrect itor not for this year.

However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim would 
get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder Loving 
Cup instead of Clay.

I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door because 
of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat falling through 
the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all rusting through 
again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.
-- Jim


   
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> If Jim manages to correct the body sag and the falling passenger seat, a
> special lifetime award must be created.


Don't be too impressed, I solved the door-closing problem several years ago
by locking that
rear door, haven't opened it since!  Can't let the seat business slide,
though.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

On Wed, 7 Sep 2016 21:10:56 -0700
Jim Cathey via Mercedes  wrote:

> >
> > passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's
> > lost interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?
> 
> 
> No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed
> a new cat, etc.
> Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided whether to
> resurrect it
> or not for this year.
> 
> However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim
> > would get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder
> > Loving Cup instead of Clay.
> 
> 
> I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door
> because of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat
> falling through the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all
> rusting through again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.
> 
> -- Jim
~~
I stand in awe! If Jim manages to correct the body sag and the falling 
passenger seat, a special lifetime award must be created.

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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

The W115 cars are rarer than hen’s teeth at PnP.  Trying to find a gen II w126 
is getting hard.   I need to scrounge a few parts if one shows up near me.   I 
did get lucky a few months ago and got some nice benz bits.  One was the parts 
manual for the W126.  Never got it posted to fleabay, and now I know why.  The 
zebrano center console just sold, as did the headlight wiper kit.  Polei is 
missing her wipers.





clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Sep 7, 2016, at 9:10 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's
>> lost interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?
> 
> 
> No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed
> a new cat, etc.
> Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided whether to
> resurrect it
> or not for this year.
> 
> However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim
>> would get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder
>> Loving Cup instead of Clay.
> 
> 
> I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door
> because of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat
> falling through the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all
> rusting through again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

Deseret Industries has some interesting things.  But Goodwill outlet store is 
killer.  Stuff sells by the pound!  I found a few NOS injectors and filters 
(not for my cars) that sold to fund my labors.  Lots of holsters and AR mags 
that I sent with #1 boy.  And some tools, like a shop vac, hand tools, the 8 
track indash

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 7:59 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> I am a true bottom feeder.  Scouring Goodwill for wonders is a hobby.  I am 
>> not in the mood to pay the State of Washington $65 for the pleasure of 
>> collector plates, so I snagged some off Fleabay for a Jackson.  No more 
>> annual payments to keep her on the road as a collectable.
>> 
>> Rattle can paint is coming along.  
>> 
>> I tried to use my many power toys to clean her, but they bought the farm.  
>> The pressure washer, the upholstery cleaner, and I fear the vacuum cleaner 
>> crapped out.   
> 
> Back to Goodwill, Salvation Army store, Sheriffs Boys Ranch Store, etc. for 
> new-to-you toys/tools. Bottomfeeders never give up. 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

I accept

Gump was a rolling disaster that Kaleb taunted me into bidding on.  I think it 
was revenge for his purchase of the POS SDL.  She restored quite well then gave 
up the ghost after 8 years

Froggy has been on the road to recovery for four years.  Not much rust, much 
less than  Gump.  There are still a bunch of work to get her really sweet.

Polei will be another labor of love.  I am getting better at finding more 
functional examples that require a little less hassle to make pretty.


> On Sep 7, 2016, at 7:35 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> According to the constitution of ISAB*, a grand champion bottomfeeder must 
> have such profound faith in his ability to restore the unrestoreable, that he 
> will buy what's left of an automobile and immediately restore it to some sort 
> of operationality, minimal though it may be.
> Dimitri holds the grand champion title of master sheet metal bottomfeeder, 
> and Jim holds the grand champion title of master shoe-goo bottom feeder; each 
> using his world class skills to perform near miracles.
> So far, Clay is the local clubs overall grand champion.
> 
> *ISAB (International Society of Automotive Bottomfeeders)
> ~~~ 
> 
> clay wrote:
>> But you are a known God of Microwave sheet metal magic.  I am just figuring 
>> out the welder tricks.  Low end, bottom feeder HF welder that makes things 
>> look scary.
>> 
>> Jim also has the ability to profit from his bottom feederness.  I just 
>> create a sucking chest wound of cash.  Much as owning a boat will drain the 
>> wallet.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 
 Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
 close to his bottomfeedingness
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
>>> him a run!
>>> The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's
> lost interest. Maybe that shiny new BMW is having a profound effect on him?


No, not too happy with the X5 lately.  It's running badly, recently needed
a new cat, etc.
Yes, have lost most interest in the 'heap, but haven't decided whether to
resurrect it
or not for this year.

However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim
> would get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder
> Loving Cup instead of Clay.


I think the 'heap is much rustier now than Gump was.  Can't open a door
because of body sag is a major negative point, as is the passenger seat
falling through the floor.  And, the microwave metal I welded on is now all
rusting through again.  Headlights are starting to come off the body, etc.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Yes, but Dimitri COULD restore the unrestoreable if he wanted to. Since no one 
will challenge him, he is the Grand Champion Sheet Metal Bottomfeeder  by 
default, while Jim is the Grand Champion Shoe Goo Bottomfeeder; an 
ultra-special category that is extremely difficult, has few practitioners, and 
requires profound artistic as well as mechanical ability.
(ISAB* groupies flock around Shoe Goo Grand Champions at international 
meetings.)

However, if Clay should choose to relinquish his title to Jim, then Jim would 
get the rusted through, slowly collapsing Grand Champion Bottomfeeder Loving 
Cup instead of Clay.

*ISAB (International Society of Automotive Bottomfeeders)

Curt Raymond wrote:
> The cars Dimitri does his sheetmetal magic on aren't really bottom feeder 
> cars though, his 240D is pretty nice overall, its just got a couple problem 
> areas. Jim Cathey is the real master of reviving junk. Last I heard the doors 
> on the Frankenheap are sagging in on themselves. Checking the log the 
> passenger seat is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's lost 
> interest. Maybe that shiney new BMW is having a profound effect on him?
> -Curt
> 
>   From: archer75--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: "arche...@embarqmail.com" <arche...@embarqmail.com>
>  Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 10:35 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
>
> According to the constitution of ISAB*, a grand champion bottomfeeder must 
> have such profound faith in his ability to restore the unrestoreable, that he 
> will buy what's left of an automobile and immediately restore it to some sort 
> of operationality, minimal though it may be.
> Dimitri holds the grand champion title of master sheet metal bottomfeeder, 
> and Jim holds the grand champion title of master shoe-goo bottom feeder; each 
> using his world class skills to perform near miracles.
> So far, Clay is the local clubs overall grand champion.
> 
> *ISAB (International Society of Automotive Bottomfeeders)
> ~~~ 
> 
> clay wrote:
> > But you are a known God of Microwave sheet metal magic.  I am just figuring 
> > out the welder tricks.  Low end, bottom feeder HF welder that makes things 
> > look scary.
> > 
> > Jim also has the ability to profit from his bottom feederness.  I just 
> > create a sucking chest wound of cash.  Much as owning a boat will drain the 
> > wallet.
> > 
> > clay
> > 
> > > On Sep 4, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
> > > <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > >> 
> > >> Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
> > >> close to his bottomfeedingness
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
> > > him a run!
> > > The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.
> > > 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

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clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> I am a true bottom feeder.  Scouring Goodwill for wonders is a hobby.  I am 
> not in the mood to pay the State of Washington $65 for the pleasure of 
> collector plates, so I snagged some off Fleabay for a Jackson.  No more 
> annual payments to keep her on the road as a collectable.
> 
> Rattle can paint is coming along.  
> 
> I tried to use my many power toys to clean her, but they bought the farm.  
> The pressure washer, the upholstery cleaner, and I fear the vacuum cleaner 
> crapped out.   

Back to Goodwill, Salvation Army store, Sheriffs Boys Ranch Store, etc. for 
new-to-you toys/tools. Bottomfeeders never give up. 

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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The cars Dimitri does his sheetmetal magic on aren't really bottom feeder cars 
though, his 240D is pretty nice overall, its just got a couple problem areas. 
Jim Cathey is the real master of reviving junk. Last I heard the doors on the 
Frankenheap are sagging in on themselves. Checking the log the passenger seat 
is now trying to fall through the floor. Sounds like he's lost interest. Maybe 
that shiney new BMW is having a profound effect on him?
-Curt

  From: archer75--- via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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According to the constitution of ISAB*, a grand champion bottomfeeder must have 
such profound faith in his ability to restore the unrestoreable, that he will 
buy what's left of an automobile and immediately restore it to some sort of 
operationality, minimal though it may be.
Dimitri holds the grand champion title of master sheet metal bottomfeeder, and 
Jim holds the grand champion title of master shoe-goo bottom feeder; each using 
his world class skills to perform near miracles.
So far, Clay is the local clubs overall grand champion.

*ISAB (International Society of Automotive Bottomfeeders)
~~~ 

clay wrote:
> But you are a known God of Microwave sheet metal magic.  I am just figuring 
> out the welder tricks.  Low end, bottom feeder HF welder that makes things 
> look scary.
> 
> Jim also has the ability to profit from his bottom feederness.  I just create 
> a sucking chest wound of cash.  Much as owning a boat will drain the wallet.
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Sep 4, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
> >> close to his bottomfeedingness
> > 
> > 
> > I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
> > him a run!
> > The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.
> > 
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

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According to the constitution of ISAB*, a grand champion bottomfeeder must have 
such profound faith in his ability to restore the unrestoreable, that he will 
buy what's left of an automobile and immediately restore it to some sort of 
operationality, minimal though it may be.
Dimitri holds the grand champion title of master sheet metal bottomfeeder, and 
Jim holds the grand champion title of master shoe-goo bottom feeder; each using 
his world class skills to perform near miracles.
So far, Clay is the local clubs overall grand champion.

*ISAB (International Society of Automotive Bottomfeeders)
~~~ 

clay wrote:
> But you are a known God of Microwave sheet metal magic.  I am just figuring 
> out the welder tricks.  Low end, bottom feeder HF welder that makes things 
> look scary.
> 
> Jim also has the ability to profit from his bottom feederness.  I just create 
> a sucking chest wound of cash.  Much as owning a boat will drain the wallet.
> 
> clay
> 
> > On Sep 4, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
> >> close to his bottomfeedingness
> > 
> > 
> > I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
> > him a run!
> > The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.
> > 
> > -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

There is a plethora of craptacular bottom feeder cars that just might run 
around here.  We picked up the 300SE w140 out of a PnP for #1 boy.  $1300 and 
all it needed was a fresh transmission.  It did make it the 30 miles to home 
before screwing up.

The bottom feeder screw up was the dang Nigerian scammer 87 SDL.



> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> -- Jim wrote:
>> I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
>> him a run!
> 
> Plus, both you and clay are in WA.  Maybe it's the weather?  Except
> you are in the dry part of the state.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

But you are a known God of Microwave sheet metal magic.  I am just figuring out 
the welder tricks.  Low end, bottom feeder HF welder that makes things look 
scary.

Jim also has the ability to profit from his bottom feederness.  I just create a 
sucking chest wound of cash.  Much as owning a boat will drain the wallet.

clay

> On Sep 4, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
>> close to his bottomfeedingness
> 
> 
> I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
> him a run!
> The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

I am a true bottom feeder.  Scouring Goodwill for wonders is a hobby.  I am not 
in the mood to pay the State of Washington $65 for the pleasure of collector 
plates, so I snagged some off Fleabay for a Jackson.  No more annual payments 
to keep her on the road as a collectable.

Rattle can paint is coming along.  

I tried to use by many power toys to clean her, but they bought the farm.  The 
pressure washer, the upholstery cleaner, and I fear the vacuum cleaner crapped 
out.   





clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei

retired models-
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Sep 4, 2016, at 12:48 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come close 
> to his bottomfeedingness. He definitely deserves some sort of recognition in 
> this legendary low price group. 
> 
> An award in the form of a loving cup or faux sheepskin should be created and 
> presented to him at the upcoming international event in New England; in 
> absentia if he can't be there; or at a future event if there isn't time for 
> this one.
> 
> In the spirit of true conservatism, the set of principles which give rise to 
> bottomfeedingness, I for one will be searching Goodwill and similar stores 
> for an appropriate cup that can be erased and inscribed with a eulogy to 
> Clay. In view of the bald tires, borderline brakes, and other risks 
> associated with very low priced old Mercedes, a eulogy would be most 
> appropriate; just in case.
> 
> Gerry
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>> Please post a slide show with at least 30 pix.
> 
>>> $600
>>> Dirt cheap and in drivable condition
>>> clay
> 
> Kaleb wrote:
 Hopefully you did not pay much for it
> 
> clay wrote:
> The new to me SDL.  It has 314k on the clock.  Tires are balder than a 
> baby’s backside, some rust through in places, paint is toast, front seat 
> covers are toast but seats move, fan and heat are good, did not check AC, 
> sunroof works, engine runs, brakes work-ish, it was wet and bald tires do 
> not grip.  Engine bay had thick residue, battery pan is rusty, under the 
> pan, mice had a home and that made rust through.  Window do not lower…
>>> might be wire issue or ???  Will attach 12v to test it all.  PO did a bunch 
>>> of work to keep it running, so not all bad.  I have yet to go through the 
>>> two cases of parts and bits that were in the back seat. I will pressure 
>>> wash Sunday to really get the crud off then whip out the sander to get a 
>>> surface for the filler/primer to adhere.  Major alligatoring of the paint 
>>> and rusty spots all over.   I am turning it into a Polizei car, so hood, 
>>> doors and trunk lid are getting green paint.
> Rattle can white —  of the very cheapest will be used to coat the rest of
>>> the car.  The really really cheapo $0.99 a can stuff.
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Yes. Hammie was the model for beaters- esp with round 2. The hood roller
paint was a signature.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 5, 2016 3:50 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> Hammie the 240D was also an exceptional beater. I bought it in 2003 for
> $1500, drove it 70,000 miles and sold it for $800 in 2005. I bought it back
> in 2007 for $400, put another 25,000 miles on it and sold it for $200
> without any wheels.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Jim Cathey via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
>  Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 5:28 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
>
> >
> > Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
> > close to his bottomfeedingness
>
>
> I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
> him a run!
> The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.
>
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Hammie the 240D was also an exceptional beater. I bought it in 2003 for $1500, 
drove it 70,000 miles and sold it for $800 in 2005. I bought it back in 2007 
for $400, put another 25,000 miles on it and sold it for $200 without any 
wheels.
-Curt

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Cc: Jim Cathey <jim.cathey...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 5:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] The SDL
   
>
> Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
> close to his bottomfeedingness


I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
him a run!
The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-- Jim wrote:
> I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
> him a run!

Plus, both you and clay are in WA.  Maybe it's the weather?  Except
you are in the dry part of the state.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come
> close to his bottomfeedingness


I dunno.  My Chicken Wagon and especially the $100 Frankenheap might give
him a run!
The FH is running a net _profit_ of around $1000 right now.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Clay is a world class bottom feeder. No one on the list has even come close to 
his bottomfeedingness. He definitely deserves some sort of recognition in this 
legendary low price group. 

An award in the form of a loving cup or faux sheepskin should be created and 
presented to him at the upcoming international event in New England; in 
absentia if he can't be there; or at a future event if there isn't time for 
this one.

In the spirit of true conservatism, the set of principles which give rise to 
bottomfeedingness, I for one will be searching Goodwill and similar stores for 
an appropriate cup that can be erased and inscribed with a eulogy to Clay. In 
view of the bald tires, borderline brakes, and other risks associated with very 
low priced old Mercedes, a eulogy would be most appropriate; just in case.

Gerry

Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
> Please post a slide show with at least 30 pix.
 
> > $600
> > Dirt cheap and in drivable condition
> > clay

Kaleb wrote:
> > > Hopefully you did not pay much for it

clay wrote:
> > >> The new to me SDL.  It has 314k on the clock.  Tires are balder than a 
> > >> baby’s backside, some rust through in places, paint is toast, front seat 
> > >> covers are toast but seats move, fan and heat are good, did not check 
> > >> AC, sunroof works, engine runs, brakes work-ish, it was wet and bald 
> > >> tires do not grip.  Engine bay had thick residue, battery pan is rusty, 
> > >> under the pan, mice had a home and that made rust through.  Window do 
> > >> not lower…
> > might be wire issue or ???  Will attach 12v to test it all.  PO did a bunch 
> > of work to keep it running, so not all bad.  I have yet to go through the 
> > two cases of parts and bits that were in the back seat. I will pressure 
> > wash Sunday to really get the crud off then whip out the sander to get a 
> > surface for the filler/primer to adhere.  Major alligatoring of the paint 
> > and rusty spots all over.   I am turning it into a Polizei car, so hood, 
> > doors and trunk lid are getting green paint.
Rattle can white —  of the very cheapest will be used to coat the rest of
> > the car.  The really really cheapo $0.99 a can stuff.
clay

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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Please post a slide show with at least 30 pix.

On Sun, Sep 4, 2016 at 12:51 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> $600
>
> Dirt cheap and in drivable condition
>
> clay
>
> > On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hopefully you did not pay much for it
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:07 PM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The new to me SDL.  It has 314k on the clock.  Tires are balder than a
> baby’s backside, some rust through in places, paint is toast, front seat
> covers are toast but seats move, fan and heat are good, did not check AC,
> sunroof works, engine runs, brakes work-ish, it was wet and bald tires do
> not grip.  Engine bay had thick residue, battery pan is rusty, under the
> pan, mice had a home and that made rust through.  Window do not lower…
> might be wire issue or ???  Will attach 12v to test it all.  PO did a bunch
> of work to keep it running, so not all bad.  I have yet to go through the
> two cases of parts and bits that were in the back seat.
> >>
> >> I will pressure wash Sunday to really get the crud off then whip out
> the sander to get a surface for the filler/primer to adhere.  Major
> alligatoring of the paint and rusty spots all over.   I am turning it into
> a Polizei car, so hood, doors and trunk lid are getting green paint.
> Rattle can white —  of the very cheapest will be used to coat the rest of
> the car.  The really really cheapo $0.99 a can stuff.
> >>
> >>
> >> clay
> >>
> >> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> >> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> >> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> >> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> >> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> >> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

$600

Dirt cheap and in drivable condition

clay

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hopefully you did not pay much for it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:07 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The new to me SDL.  It has 314k on the clock.  Tires are balder than a 
>> baby’s backside, some rust through in places, paint is toast, front seat 
>> covers are toast but seats move, fan and heat are good, did not check AC, 
>> sunroof works, engine runs, brakes work-ish, it was wet and bald tires do 
>> not grip.  Engine bay had thick residue, battery pan is rusty, under the 
>> pan, mice had a home and that made rust through.  Window do not lower… might 
>> be wire issue or ???  Will attach 12v to test it all.  PO did a bunch of 
>> work to keep it running, so not all bad.  I have yet to go through the two 
>> cases of parts and bits that were in the back seat.
>> 
>> I will pressure wash Sunday to really get the crud off then whip out the 
>> sander to get a surface for the filler/primer to adhere.  Major alligatoring 
>> of the paint and rusty spots all over.   I am turning it into a Polizei car, 
>> so hood, doors and trunk lid are getting green paint.  Rattle can white —  
>> of the very cheapest will be used to coat the rest of the car.  The really 
>> really cheapo $0.99 a can stuff.
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

the pix went missing

clay

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 9:07 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The new to me SDL.  It has 314k on the clock.  Tires are balder than a baby’s 
> backside, some rust through in places, paint is toast, front seat covers are 
> toast but seats move, fan and heat are good, did not check AC, sunroof works, 
> engine runs, brakes work-ish, it was wet and bald tires do not grip.  Engine 
> bay had thick residue, battery pan is rusty, under the pan, mice had a home 
> and that made rust through.  Window do not lower… might be wire issue or ???  
> Will attach 12v to test it all.  PO did a bunch of work to keep it running, 
> so not all bad.  I have yet to go through the two cases of parts and bits 
> that were in the back seat.
> 
> I will pressure wash Sunday to really get the crud off then whip out the 
> sander to get a surface for the filler/primer to adhere.  Major alligatoring 
> of the paint and rusty spots all over.   I am turning it into a Polizei car, 
> so hood, doors and trunk lid are getting green paint.  Rattle can white —  of 
> the very cheapest will be used to coat the rest of the car.  The really 
> really cheapo $0.99 a can stuff.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Hopefully you did not pay much for it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2016, at 11:07 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The new to me SDL.  It has 314k on the clock.  Tires are balder than a baby’s 
> backside, some rust through in places, paint is toast, front seat covers are 
> toast but seats move, fan and heat are good, did not check AC, sunroof works, 
> engine runs, brakes work-ish, it was wet and bald tires do not grip.  Engine 
> bay had thick residue, battery pan is rusty, under the pan, mice had a home 
> and that made rust through.  Window do not lower… might be wire issue or ???  
> Will attach 12v to test it all.  PO did a bunch of work to keep it running, 
> so not all bad.  I have yet to go through the two cases of parts and bits 
> that were in the back seat.
> 
> I will pressure wash Sunday to really get the crud off then whip out the 
> sander to get a surface for the filler/primer to adhere.  Major alligatoring 
> of the paint and rusty spots all over.   I am turning it into a Polizei car, 
> so hood, doors and trunk lid are getting green paint.  Rattle can white —  of 
> the very cheapest will be used to coat the rest of the car.  The really 
> really cheapo $0.99 a can stuff.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[MBZ] The SDL

[clay via Mercedes]

The new to me SDL.  It has 314k on the clock.  Tires are balder than a baby’s 
backside, some rust through in places, paint is toast, front seat covers are 
toast but seats move, fan and heat are good, did not check AC, sunroof works, 
engine runs, brakes work-ish, it was wet and bald tires do not grip.  Engine 
bay had thick residue, battery pan is rusty, under the pan, mice had a home and 
that made rust through.  Window do not lower… might be wire issue or ???  Will 
attach 12v to test it all.  PO did a bunch of work to keep it running, so not 
all bad.  I have yet to go through the two cases of parts and bits that were in 
the back seat.

I will pressure wash Sunday to really get the crud off then whip out the sander 
to get a surface for the filler/primer to adhere.  Major alligatoring of the 
paint and rusty spots all over.   I am turning it into a Polizei car, so hood, 
doors and trunk lid are getting green paint.  Rattle can white —  of the very 
cheapest will be used to coat the rest of the car.  The really really cheapo 
$0.99 a can stuff.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Good info Fred, I'm going to file that one away.  Now the question is, how
to file it so that I can find it again

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Fred Moir via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Alles.
>
> I lost the tach in the 1987 300TD. Checked OVP etc. etc. ad nauseum. It
> was a diode way in the back of the fuse box (2 pin plug assy). The diode
> was an 1n4007 (1 amp) which was replaced by an 1n5404 (3 amp).
>
> Problem solved.
>
> YMMV
>
>
> Fred Moir.
> Lynn MA.
> Diesel preferred.
>
>
> 
> From: Mercedes <mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com> on behalf of Max Dillon
> via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> Sent: 28 June 2016 01:51
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> Cc: Max Dillon
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach
>
> But generally the OVP relay failure also has the ABS and / or SRS light
> activated as well, I think, so that may not be your issue.  OM603
> tachometer sensor is on transmission bell-housing, next to starter, and
> feeds into either the engine control computer or the KLIMA relay.
>
> At this point I'm thinking a dead tachometer.
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Nope

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 10:09 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Don't those also have the 'film-can' amplifier on the fender like 123's
> do?  Notorious for bad connections inside that.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> What drives the tac on these? I just hopped in the sdl to go to town real
>> quick to get the tag for it and the tach was not working at all. It has
>> always worked before but now it is not all the sudden. I tried pulling the
>> Klima and reinserting and it made no difference.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Don't those also have the 'film-can' amplifier on the fender like 123's
do?  Notorious for bad connections inside that.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What drives the tac on these? I just hopped in the sdl to go to town real
> quick to get the tag for it and the tach was not working at all. It has
> always worked before but now it is not all the sudden. I tried pulling the
> Klima and reinserting and it made no difference.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Alles.

I lost the tach in the 1987 300TD. Checked OVP etc. etc. ad nauseum. It was a 
diode way in the back of the fuse box (2 pin plug assy). The diode was an 
1n4007 (1 amp) which was replaced by an 1n5404 (3 amp).

Problem solved.

YMMV


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
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Sent: 28 June 2016 01:51
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Cc: Max Dillon
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

But generally the OVP relay failure also has the ABS and / or SRS light 
activated as well, I think, so that may not be your issue.  OM603 tachometer 
sensor is on transmission bell-housing, next to starter, and feeds into either 
the engine control computer or the KLIMA relay.

At this point I'm thinking a dead tachometer.
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I did not have an ABS and SRS light on unless they are burned out, I 
will check that next.


On 6/27/2016 8:51 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

But generally the OVP relay failure also has the ABS and / or SRS light 
activated as well, I think, so that may not be your issue.  OM603 tachometer 
sensor is on transmission bell-housing, next to starter, and feeds into either 
the engine control computer or the KLIMA relay.

At this point I'm thinking a dead tachometer.



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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

But generally the OVP relay failure also has the ABS and / or SRS light 
activated as well, I think, so that may not be your issue.  OM603 tachometer 
sensor is on transmission bell-housing, next to starter, and feeds into either 
the engine control computer or the KLIMA relay.

At this point I'm thinking a dead tachometer.
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Charleston SC
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'95 E300
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh yea that's right.

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> On Jun 27, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Over-voltage protection relay, perhaps?
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> '95 E300
> 
>> On June 27, 2016 8:20:15 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> I don’t know, but I do know the KLIMA has nothing to do with it.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
 On Jun 27, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What drives the tac on these? I just hopped in the sdl to go to town
>> real quick to get the tag for it and the tach was not working at all.
>> It has always worked before but now it is not all the sudden. I tried
>> pulling the Klima and reinserting and it made no difference.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Over-voltage protection relay, perhaps?
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On June 27, 2016 8:20:15 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I don’t know, but I do know the KLIMA has nothing to do with it.
>
>Dan
>
>
>> On Jun 27, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> What drives the tac on these? I just hopped in the sdl to go to town
>real quick to get the tag for it and the tach was not working at all.
>It has always worked before but now it is not all the sudden. I tried
>pulling the Klima and reinserting and it made no difference.
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Re: [MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t know, but I do know the KLIMA has nothing to do with it.

Dan


> On Jun 27, 2016, at 5:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What drives the tac on these? I just hopped in the sdl to go to town real 
> quick to get the tag for it and the tach was not working at all. It has 
> always worked before but now it is not all the sudden. I tried pulling the 
> Klima and reinserting and it made no difference.
> 
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[MBZ] 300 SDL tach

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

What drives the tac on these? I just hopped in the sdl to go to town real quick 
to get the tag for it and the tach was not working at all. It has always worked 
before but now it is not all the sudden. I tried pulling the Klima and 
reinserting and it made no difference.

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Re: [MBZ] PA sdl update

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

It's got right at 200k. What I find strange is the coolant tank is 
literally filled to the very top of the fill hole.


I will have to look at the pump, did not notice if it was old style 
or new style.


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That is enough I'd be measuring stretch and maybe getting a little 
nervous.  normally that would not be enough to wear out the chain to 
breaking.


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Re: [MBZ] PA sdl update

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

You will of course want to find all the missing bits of the broken chain,
which may have found their way to do damage to other internal engine
parts.. right?

Seems it would be a prudent time to pull the front timing cover and inspect
all chain guides and drive gears. If the chain wore enough to break, seems
likely the gear teeth it runs against also have excessive wear, and
certainly the chain guides...

Just a thought..



What does the front of the vacuum pump look like?  Old style?  If so, 
probably a ball bouncing around that broke the chain.  In that case, 
the break will be pretty clean.  the balls will be in the bottom of 
the pan, and won't go anywhere unless you can get them out.


The only things that normally break the chain are balls form the vac 
pump or hydro-lock from a head gasket fail.   How many miles on the 
thing?  I think not enough to break the chain from mileage.


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