subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] The ex\-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos"


Craig wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:48:48 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:


I think you'll find that W124=W201 ≠ W126=W116=W123

W124 can go on W126 with spacers, but not the other way around.


Thanks for the info, Mitch. I was planning on looking it up in the Wheel
Guide, ver 2.6, on mountainmarketingwv.com that someone (Fred?) posted
recently.


You can find part numbers for some 16 rims here, then look up specs elsewhere 
to see what the offset is.

http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=1713

On option is to just sell the 420 with new top of the line tires on it and dump 
the crappy 16 tires on craigslist for $25 each or something. Then maybe pick up 
a set of 14 or 15 W201/124 rims and put pure snow tires on them for the 320.


Another option is to sell the 420 with the 320's wheels as you mentioned 
earlier. Are the 420 wheels in comparable condition to the Snookmobile?

That was a very clean car the last time I saw pics of it.

You can still buy good studable tires in 185/70-14:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GeneraltireModel=Altimax+Arcticpartnum=87QR4AMAXAtab=Survey
Seems like Curt has a set of 14 1984 190d rims. Just make sure they'll clear 
the brakes on your car.




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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread andrew strasfogel

Does the 420 require premium fuel? How about the 560? To me, that would be
a major consideration in deciding whether to own one.

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 9:17 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

Craig wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:48:48 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

I think you'll find that W124=W201 ≠ W126=W116=W123

W124 can go on W126 with spacers, but not the other way around.

Thanks for the info, Mitch. I was planning on looking it up in the Wheel
Guide, ver 2.6, on mountainmarketingwv.com that someone (Fred?) posted
recently.

You can find part numbers for some 16 rims here, then look up specs
elsewhere to see what the offset is.
http://www.adsitco.com/**category.asp?CID=1713http://www.adsitco.com/category.asp?CID=1713

On option is to just sell the 420 with new top of the line tires on it and
dump the crappy 16 tires on craigslist for $25 each or something. Then
maybe pick up a set of 14 or 15 W201/124 rims and put pure snow tires on
them for the 320.

Another option is to sell the 420 with the 320's wheels as you mentioned
earlier. Are the 420 wheels in comparable condition to the Snookmobile?
That was a very clean car the last time I saw pics of it.

You can still buy good studable tires in 185/70-14:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/**tires.jsp?tireMake=General**
tireModel=Altimax+Arctic**partnum=87QR4AMAXAtab=Surveyhttp://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=GeneraltireModel=Altimax+Arcticpartnum=87QR4AMAXAtab=Survey
Seems like Curt has a set of 14 1984 190d rims. Just make sure they'll
clear the brakes on your car.

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Craig

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:30:53 -0400 andrew strasfogel
astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Does the 420 require premium fuel?  How about the 560?  To me, that
 would be a major consideration in deciding whether to own one.

Both the E420 and E320 require premium, so that's a wash. But thank you
for thinking of it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Donald Snook

Alex wrote: Snook had a tire fail and replaced just the one?

No.  The Good year was already on there when I got it.  I did have a flat tire 
in the car, but was able to find a matching Michelin at my Indy's.


Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Allan Streib

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 09:30 -0400, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Does the 420 require premium fuel?  How about the 560?  To me, that would be
 a major consideration in deciding whether to own one.

As far as I know, all Mercedes gassers do, or at least would benefit from it.

The older carbureted engines and early fuel injection would definitely need it 
I'd think, as their timing is set assuming premium gas.

The computer controlled engines can probably compensate but would do better on 
the good stuff.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Donald Snook

Craig wrote: Both the E420 and E320 require premium, so that's a wash. But 
thank you
for thinking of it.

Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but do 
they really require premium?  My indy was very upset with me when I told him I 
always put Premium in the E320.  He said the car doesn't need it. I told him 
the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it and the fuel 
filler door says premium only.  He says that the car is equipped with a knock 
sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for the lower grade and 
it will run just fine.  I know he is correct that the car has a knock sensor 
and probably the computer will compensate, but is that really desireable?  I 
mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want to have the 
computer compensating and lowering performance?  Is it really designed to run 
on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental effect on the car running 
87 all the time and having the performance affected?  (by the way, I think I 
just used both effect and affect correctly in a sentence - but not sure).

My BMW manual says that 91 should be used. But, it specifically says that the 
computer will compensate for lower octane, but not to go below 87.

Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread OK Don

Isn't the orice differential between 87 and 91 about 10-13% now? Is that
worth fussing about? You can make that much difference in driving style.
I pump 91 into the ML and don't think twice about it. Tha havning been said,
I'm monitoring fuel mileage using ethonol contamenated fuel and clean fuel -
seems to be about a 7% increase for pure gas, but I only have two tanks of
each on record so far - too small a sample to draw a conclusion from yet.
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Craig wrote: Both the E420 and E320 require premium, so that's a wash. But
 thank you
 for thinking of it.

 Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but do
 they really require premium?  My indy was very upset with me when I told him
 I always put Premium in the E320.  He said the car doesn't need it. I told
 him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it and the
 fuel filler door says premium only.  He says that the car is equipped with a
 knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for the lower
 grade and it will run just fine.  I know he is correct that the car has a
 knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that really
 desireable?  I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want
 to have the computer compensating and lowering performance?  Is it really
 designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental
 effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the performance
 affected?  (by the way, I think I just used both effect and affect correctly
 in a sentence - but not sure).

 My BMW manual says that 91 should be used. But, it specifically says that
 the computer will compensate for lower octane, but not to go below 87.

 Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Russ Williams


Hi Donald,

I would use Premium fuel only and Mid Grade in a pinch.
Sure the computer will compensate for the lower octane but fuel mileage 
and performance WILL suffer.

If you want to ask an expert  go here:
http://www.agcoauto.com/content/submit-question
Ask Louis the question he will give you the correct skinny on it.
Or you can call him tomorrow @ 225-499-9526 between 10 and 11 AM CDT
www.wjbo.com on the net to hear his radio show.
I've known Louis for 20+ years and believe me he knows his stuff.
But he doesn't work on Merc's or Bimmers he sends them to my Indie.

Russ W.
84 300D
83 240D x2

On 7/22/2011 11:38 AM, Donald Snook wrote:

Craig wrote: Both the E420 and E320 require premium, so that's a wash. But 
thank you
for thinking of it.

Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but do they really 
require premium?  My indy was very upset with me when I told him I always put Premium in 
the E320.  He said the car doesn't need it. I told him the owner's manual says it needs 
it, Mercedes says it needs it and the fuel filler door says premium only.  He says that 
the car is equipped with a knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate 
for the lower grade and it will run just fine.  I know he is correct that the car has a 
knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that really desireable?  I 
mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want to have the computer 
compensating and lowering performance?  Is it really designed to run on 
premium? In other words, is there some detrimental effect on the car running 87 all the 
time and having the performance affected?  (by the way, I think I just used both effect 
and affect correctly in a sentence - b!
  ut not sure).

My BMW manual says that 91 should be used. But, it specifically says that the 
computer will compensate for lower octane, but not to go below 87.

Donald H. Snook



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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos


OK Don wrote:

Isn't the orice differential between 87 and 91 about 10-13% now? Is that
worth fussing about? You can make that much difference in driving style.


In my neck of the woods it's 3.529 vs 3.729.
It's just always been 10 cents per grade in recent years.
At 1.50 vs 1.70, 87 looks good.
At 4.00 v 4.20, 93 looks a lot better.

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Tim C

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
 Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but do 
 they really require premium?  My indy was very upset with me when I told him 
 I always put Premium in the E320.  He said the car doesn't need it. I told 
 him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it and the 
 fuel filler door says premium only.  He says that the car is equipped with a 
 knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for the lower 
 grade and it will run just fine.  I know he is correct that the car has a 
 knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that really 
 desireable?  I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want 
 to have the computer compensating and lowering performance?  Is it really 
 designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental 
 effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the performance 
 affected?  (by the way, I think I just used both effect and affect correctly 
 in a sentence - but not sure).

Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
 I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage.  I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was $2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that.  It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

Donald, you did, indeed, use effect and affect correctly, and I commend you. 
Wanta go for lie/lay or sit/set?   ;)))

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but 
do they really require premium? My indy was very upset with me when I told 
him I always put Premium in the E320. He said the car doesn't need it. I 
told him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it 
and the fuel filler door says premium only. He says that the car is 
equipped with a knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will 
compensate for the lower grade and it will run just fine. I know he is 
correct that the car has a knock sensor and probably the computer will 
compensate, but is that really desireable? I mean, if it was designed to 
run on premium do we really want to have the computer compensating and 
lowering performance? Is it really designed to run on premium? In other 
words, is there some detrimental effect on the car running 87 all the time 
and having the performance affected? (by the way, I think I just used both 
effect and affect correctly in a sentence - but not sure).

Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage.  I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was $2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that.  It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos


Donald Snook wrote:


My BMW manual says that 91 should be used. But, it specifically says that the 
computer will compensate for lower octane, but not to go below 87.



Is that Research Octane Number, Motor Octane Number, or US pump octane number 
(R+N)/2?




Mitch Haley wrote:
 In my neck of the woods it's 3.529 vs 3.729.
 It's just always been 10 cents per grade in recent years.

I quoted the difference between 87 and 93, not 87 and 91. My midgrade choice is 
89.

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos


He is at a loose for words.

--R

On 7/22/11 2:00 PM, WILTON wrote:
Donald, you did, indeed, use effect and affect correctly, and I 
commend you. Wanta go for lie/lay or sit/set?   ;)))


Wilton

- Original Message - From: Tim C bb...@crone.us
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos


On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), 
but do they really require premium? My indy was very upset with me 
when I told him I always put Premium in the E320. He said the car 
doesn't need it. I told him the owner's manual says it needs it, 
Mercedes says it needs it and the fuel filler door says premium only. 
He says that the car is equipped with a knock sensor and is you use 
87, the computer will compensate for the lower grade and it will run 
just fine. I know he is correct that the car has a knock sensor and 
probably the computer will compensate, but is that really desireable? 
I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want to 
have the computer compensating and lowering performance? Is it really 
designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some 
detrimental effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the 
performance affected? (by the way, I think I just used both effect 
and affect correctly in a sentence - but not sure).


Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage.  I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was $2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that.  It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

Yeah, that's another one.  ;))

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

He is at a loose for words.

--R

On 7/22/11 2:00 PM, WILTON wrote:
Donald, you did, indeed, use effect and affect correctly, and I 
commend you. Wanta go for lie/lay or sit/set?   ;)))

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:
Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), 
but do they really require premium? My indy was very upset with me 
when I told him I always put Premium in the E320. He said the car 
doesn't need it. I told him the owner's manual says it needs it, 
Mercedes says it needs it and the fuel filler door says premium only. 
He says that the car is equipped with a knock sensor and is you use 
87, the computer will compensate for the lower grade and it will run 
just fine. I know he is correct that the car has a knock sensor and 
probably the computer will compensate, but is that really desireable? 
I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want to 
have the computer compensating and lowering performance? Is it really 
designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some 
detrimental effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the 
performance affected? (by the way, I think I just used both effect 
and affect correctly in a sentence - but not sure).

Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage.  I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was $2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that.  It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Dieselhead



Regular here is 89 octane, and all the MB gassers I ever put it in 
are just fine.  Most other states have 87 as regular, and that has 
worked just fine too.  Carbureted or injected.


Of course it does contain 10% pure corn likker, so that causes your 
chrome plated Relly to melt down, but I find the car runs just fine 
without it.  It causes no cosmetic or operational damage when it 
melts.  Therefore it could be called a useless appendage.


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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread andrew strasfogel

Wilton,

That's a test for the post-doc grammar nerds.
Andrew (whose skin crawls whenever a yoga teacher tells the class to lay
down on the mat.)
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Donald, you did, indeed, use effect and affect correctly, and I commend
you. Wanta go for lie/lay or sit/set? ;)))

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but
do they really require premium? My indy was very upset with me when I told
him I always put Premium in the E320. He said the car doesn't need it. I
told him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it and
the fuel filler door says premium only. He says that the car is equipped
with a knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for the
lower grade and it will run just fine. I know he is correct that the car has
a knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that really
desireable? I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want
to have the computer compensating and lowering performance? Is it really
designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental
effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the performance
affected? (by the way, I think I just used both effect and affect correctly
in a sentence - but not sure).

Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage. I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was $2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that. It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good affect, 
esp if you loose your chair!


--R

On 7/22/11 4:00 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Wilton,

That's a test for the post-doc grammar nerds.
Andrew (whose skin crawls whenever a yoga teacher tells the class to lay
down on the mat.)
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:


Donald, you did, indeed, use effect and affect correctly, and I commend
you. Wanta go for lie/lay or sit/set?   ;)))

Wilton

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On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snookdsn...@mtsqh.com  wrote:


Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but
do they really require premium? My indy was very upset with me when I told
him I always put Premium in the E320. He said the car doesn't need it. I
told him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it and
the fuel filler door says premium only. He says that the car is equipped
with a knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for the
lower grade and it will run just fine. I know he is correct that the car has
a knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that really
desireable? I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want
to have the computer compensating and lowering performance? Is it really
designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental
effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the performance
affected? (by the way, I think I just used both effect and affect correctly
in a sentence - but not sure).


Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage.  I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was$2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that.  It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Randy Bennell


On 22/07/2011 2:44 PM, Dieselhead wrote:


Regular here is 89 octane, and all the MB gassers I ever put it in are 
just fine.  Most other states have 87 as regular, and that has worked 
just fine too.  Carbureted or injected.


Of course it does contain 10% pure corn likker, so that causes your 
chrome plated Relly to melt down, but I find the car runs just fine 
without it.  It causes no cosmetic or operational damage when it 
melts.  Therefore it could be called a useless appendage.


___

Anyone ever actually compare regular vs premium?
I have heard people say for a long time, that some vehicles will get 
much better fuel economy running premium fuel.
They claim that the increased mileage offsets the cost of higher priced 
fuel.
I knew a fellow who drove a big old Caddie that swore his fuel mileage 
dropped dramatically when he used regular fuel.


I have never tried to document any difference personally.
I have always run the lowest octane that seemed to behave. My old 
Suburban used to ping pretty bad on regular so we ran midgrade for a 
long while.


I wonder if one might find that a newer MB designed to run on premium 
fuel might suffer a significant drop in fuel economy if the computer 
adjusted things like timing to avoid knock.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

Yes, it makes mine crawl, too, when I too often read such in newspapers and 
hear TV personalities misuse them.  BTW, I think I had 'em straight long 
before post-doc - by about eighth grade.


Wilton

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Wilton,

That's a test for the post-doc grammar nerds.
Andrew (whose skin crawls whenever a yoga teacher tells the class to lay
down on the mat.)
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote:


Donald, you did, indeed, use effect and affect correctly, and I commend
you. Wanta go for lie/lay or sit/set?   ;)))

Wilton

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Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos



On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:


Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but
do they really require premium? My indy was very upset with me when I 
told

him I always put Premium in the E320. He said the car doesn't need it. I
told him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it 
and

the fuel filler door says premium only. He says that the car is equipped
with a knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for 
the
lower grade and it will run just fine. I know he is correct that the car 
has
a knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that 
really
desireable? I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really 
want

to have the computer compensating and lowering performance? Is it really
designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental
effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the performance
affected? (by the way, I think I just used both effect and affect 
correctly

in a sentence - but not sure).



Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage.  I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was $2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that.  It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

'Nother ATTABOY for packing so many of 'em into one sentence.  Anybody wanta 
try for five?   ;))

Wilton

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Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good affect, 
esp if you loose your chair!

--R

On 7/22/11 4:00 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

Wilton,

That's a test for the post-doc grammar nerds.
Andrew (whose skin crawls whenever a yoga teacher tells the class to lay
down on the mat.)
On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM, WILTONwilt...@nc.rr.com  wrote:

Donald, you did, indeed, use effect and affect correctly, and I commend
you. Wanta go for lie/lay or sit/set?   ;)))

Wilton

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To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Donald Snookdsn...@mtsqh.com  wrote:

Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), 
but
do they really require premium? My indy was very upset with me when I 
told
him I always put Premium in the E320. He said the car doesn't need it. 
I
told him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it 
and
the fuel filler door says premium only. He says that the car is 
equipped
with a knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for 
the
lower grade and it will run just fine. I know he is correct that the 
car has
a knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that 
really
desireable? I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really 
want
to have the computer compensating and lowering performance? Is it 
really

designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental
effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the performance
affected? (by the way, I think I just used both effect and affect 
correctly

in a sentence - but not sure).

Not sure why he would be upset, it's your money. :)

My Volvo had a knock sensor, and it was a beater, so I ran some tests.
I found that 87 would give me about 10% lower mileage.  I didn't
notice performance degradation, even though I know that it must have
had some.

This was back when stations had a 20c delta between regular and
premium, and gas was$2/gal, so I stayed with premium after that.  It
was also before ethanol, which would maybe add another 10% or so if
you're at one of the no-ethanol-in-premium places.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Walt Zarnoch

I know my friends Tiburon gets better mileage with premium. We're going to
run the numbers to see if the change in milege offsets the price point
increase, hopefully it does.

Walt
On Jul 22, 2011 4:33 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:
 On 22/07/2011 2:44 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Regular here is 89 octane, and all the MB gassers I ever put it in are
 just fine. Most other states have 87 as regular, and that has worked
 just fine too. Carbureted or injected.

 Of course it does contain 10% pure corn likker, so that causes your
 chrome plated Relly to melt down, but I find the car runs just fine
 without it. It causes no cosmetic or operational damage when it
 melts. Therefore it could be called a useless appendage.

 ___
 Anyone ever actually compare regular vs premium?
 I have heard people say for a long time, that some vehicles will get
 much better fuel economy running premium fuel.
 They claim that the increased mileage offsets the cost of higher priced
 fuel.
 I knew a fellow who drove a big old Caddie that swore his fuel mileage
 dropped dramatically when he used regular fuel.

 I have never tried to document any difference personally.
 I have always run the lowest octane that seemed to behave. My old
 Suburban used to ping pretty bad on regular so we ran midgrade for a
 long while.

 I wonder if one might find that a newer MB designed to run on premium
 fuel might suffer a significant drop in fuel economy if the computer
 adjusted things like timing to avoid knock.

 Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good affect, 
esp if you loose your chair when your on you're brake!


--R

On 7/22/11 5:52 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Nother ATTABOY for packing so many of 'em into one sentence.  Anybody 
wanta try for five?   ;))


Wilton

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Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good 
affect, esp if you loose your chair!


--R 


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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos


Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I know my friends Tiburon gets better mileage with premium. We're going to
run the numbers to see if the change in milege offsets the price point
increase, hopefully it does.


The only OBDII car I own is a GM 2.4L Twin Cam (not Ecotec).
With intake air temps over 70°, I get knock retard whenever I climb a mild (less 
than 26mpg) hill on 87 octane. Fill it with 50/50 mix of 87/93 octane, and it's 
knock free until the IAT hits about 90°F, and then timing retard is fleeting, 
instead of active all the way up the hill like it is on 87 octane. I can't 
really say how much fuel economy that translates to, I don't drive the car much, 
especially in warm weather.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos


Wow!  Seven!  Next?   ;)))

Wilton

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Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good affect, 
esp if you loose your chair when your on you're brake!


--R

On 7/22/11 5:52 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Nother ATTABOY for packing so many of 'em into one sentence.  Anybody 
wanta try for five?   ;))


Wilton

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Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good 
affect, esp if you loose your chair!


--R 


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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Max Dillon

Congrats to you Craig for snapping up Donald's car, next time he gets a Benz I 
call dibs now for first right of refusal.

I was just just thinking that Donald buys and sells cars faster than I repair 
mine, so probably about the time I get the AC fixed on my wagon (which is the 
repair after I finish installing the new head), he'll have found and purchased 
my next Benz. I'll have about three or four months to put aside the cash.

Max
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My post was comprised of as many as I could think of.

--R

On 7/22/11 7:19 PM, WILTON wrote:

Wow!  Seven!  Next?   ;)))

Wilton

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Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good 
affect, esp if you loose your chair when your on you're brake!


--R

On 7/22/11 5:52 PM, WILTON wrote:
'Nother ATTABOY for packing so many of 'em into one sentence.  
Anybody wanta try for five?   ;))


Wilton

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Laying down is better than setting down and can be used to good 
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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I think you need a new mechanic, the 103 104 and later cars need at least 91 to 
run right. They say you have to run premium in the 420 and 560 but you can 
actually get away with regular in those cars. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote:

 Craig wrote: Both the E420 and E320 require premium, so that's a wash. But 
 thank you
 for thinking of it.
 
 Not that I want to start a premium fuel thread (or maybe I do! :) ), but do 
 they really require premium?  My indy was very upset with me when I told him 
 I always put Premium in the E320.  He said the car doesn't need it. I told 
 him the owner's manual says it needs it, Mercedes says it needs it and the 
 fuel filler door says premium only.  He says that the car is equipped with a 
 knock sensor and is you use 87, the computer will compensate for the lower 
 grade and it will run just fine.  I know he is correct that the car has a 
 knock sensor and probably the computer will compensate, but is that really 
 desireable?  I mean, if it was designed to run on premium do we really want 
 to have the computer compensating and lowering performance?  Is it really 
 designed to run on premium? In other words, is there some detrimental 
 effect on the car running 87 all the time and having the performance 
 affected?  (by the way, I think I just used both effect and affect correctly 
 in a sentence - but not sure).
 
 My BMW manual says that 91 should be used. But, it specifically says that the 
 computer will compensate for lower octane, but not to go below 87.
 
 Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Allan Streib

Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes:

 I was just just thinking that Donald buys and sells cars faster than I
 repair mine

Snook is in Kansas right?  What's their limit on number of sales per
year before you have to get a dealer license?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Jim Cathey

They say you have to run premium in the 420 and 560 but you can 
actually get away with regular in those cars.


We run regular in the 560 SL's, but they'll ping in high summer
when you put your foot in it.  So they tend to get premium then.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Mountain Man

--R wrote:
 My post was comprised of as many as I could think of.

Comprise has some debate on its proper use, no?
You're use here is incorrect, no?
The grammar patrol is out and in force in okielist tonight.
Old Wilton I can see as being from old school learnin', but you? - you
be a young'un - parochial school?  My kids were schooled at home and
did not move ahead until that stuff was learned correctly.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Craig

On Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:36:44 -0500 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com
wrote:

 --R wrote:
  My post was comprised of as many as I could think of.
 
 Comprise has some debate on its proper use, no?

Not that I know of.


 You're use here is incorrect, no?

Actually, his use of comprise was correct. Your use of you're (a
contraction of you are, not the second person singular possesive, your),
however, was incorrect.

 The grammar patrol is out and in force in okielist tonight.

AHA!  :-)


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-22 Thread Tim C

My 92 Volvo was 10% better MPG 87 vs 93, no ethanol.  Ran several tanks of
87 on a consistent commute to arrive at that conclusion.

I gather premium only benefits cars designed to use it, so I have not tried
it in the Ford.

-Tim
Now uses super unpremium aka diesel

On Jul 22, 2011 4:33 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

On 22/07/2011 2:44 PM, Dieselhead wrote:


 Regular here is 89 octane, and all the MB gassers I e...
Anyone ever actually compare regular vs premium?
I have heard people say for a long time, that some vehicles will get much
better fuel economy running premium fuel.
They claim that the increased mileage offsets the cost of higher priced
fuel.
I knew a fellow who drove a big old Caddie that swore his fuel mileage
dropped dramatically when he used regular fuel.

I have never tried to document any difference personally.
I have always run the lowest octane that seemed to behave. My old Suburban
used to ping pretty bad on regular so we ran midgrade for a long while.

I wonder if one might find that a newer MB designed to run on premium fuel
might suffer a significant drop in fuel economy if the computer adjusted
things like timing to avoid knock.

Randy



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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-21 Thread Mitch Haley


Craig wrote:


Well, as I said initially,


We will keep the 240D/3.0 and sell the E420. I'm wondering if I should
swap the wheels/tires so I can use the new snow tires with the E320.


I missed that the first time too.

Depends on
1. which wheels you'd prefer to have on the 320.
2. if you'd rather have the 320 wheels, how hard/expensive would it be to 
procure a set of scratched up (not bent up) winter wheels that fit your snows?
Whoever buys the 420 is unlikely to give you as much for the loose snows as 
those snow tires are worth to you.


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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:50:35 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 Depends on
 1. which wheels you'd prefer to have on the 320.
 2. if you'd rather have the 320 wheels, how hard/expensive would it be
 to procure a set of scratched up (not bent up) winter wheels that fit
 your snows? Whoever buys the 420 is unlikely to give you as much for
 the loose snows as those snow tires are worth to you.

The wheels on the E420 are 16 inch. Mounted on the wheels are four Nokian
WRG2 205/55R16s. I also have a set of Yokohama YK520 215/55R16s which
came with the car (and which are horrible in the snow).

The wheels on the E320 are 15 inch. Mounted on the wheels are three
Michelin MXVR4 Plus 195/65R15 and one Goodyear VIVA2 195/65/R15.

I guess one of the questions to answer is which size of tire will be
available longer.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-21 Thread Rich Thomas

I have a set of 126 SEL wheels , 2 of them have snow tires that don't 
have too many miles on them (Goodyears I think, maybe Michelins, I will 
have to look), the other 2 are just the wheels.  Don't know if those 
would fit your car or not, but I would be interested to sell them all.  
You could put a full set of winter treads on the car with 2 more winter 
tires.


--R

On 7/21/11 1:40 PM, Craig wrote:

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 07:50:35 -0400 Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net  wrote:


Depends on
1. which wheels you'd prefer to have on the 320.
2. if you'd rather have the 320 wheels, how hard/expensive would it be
to procure a set of scratched up (not bent up) winter wheels that fit
your snows? Whoever buys the 420 is unlikely to give you as much for
the loose snows as those snow tires are worth to you.

The wheels on the E420 are 16 inch. Mounted on the wheels are four Nokian
WRG2 205/55R16s. I also have a set of Yokohama YK520 215/55R16s which
came with the car (and which are horrible in the snow).

The wheels on the E320 are 15 inch. Mounted on the wheels are three
Michelin MXVR4 Plus 195/65R15 and one Goodyear VIVA2 195/65/R15.

I guess one of the questions to answer is which size of tire will be
available longer.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 The wheels on the E320 are 15 inch. Mounted on the wheels are three
 Michelin MXVR4 Plus 195/65R15 and one Goodyear VIVA2 195/65/R15.


Snook had a tire fail and replaced just the one?

Tsk, tsk, tsk,

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:55:54 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Snook had a tire fail and replaced just the one?
 
 Tsk, tsk, tsk,

From what he said, that was before he got the car.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:47:12 -0400 Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I have a set of 126 SEL wheels , 2 of them have snow tires that don't 
 have too many miles on them (Goodyears I think, maybe Michelins, I will 
 have to look), the other 2 are just the wheels.  Don't know if those 
 would fit your car or not, but I would be interested to sell them all.  
 You could put a full set of winter treads on the car with 2 more winter 
 tires.

What is the part number on the rims (it's stamped on the inside of one of
the spokes, IIRC)?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 13:47:12 -0400 Rich Thomas
 richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I have a set of 126 SEL wheels , 2 of them have snow tires that don't
 have too many miles on them (Goodyears I think, maybe Michelins, I will
 have to look), the other 2 are just the wheels.  Don't know if those
 would fit your car or not, but I would be interested to sell them all.
 You could put a full set of winter treads on the car with 2 more winter
 tires.

 What is the part number on the rims (it's stamped on the inside of one of
 the spokes, IIRC)?

126 rims will not fit a 124.

Alex.

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-21 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 10:55:54 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
 apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 Snook had a tire fail and replaced just the one?

 Tsk, tsk, tsk,

 From what he said, that was before he got the car.


And he kept driving it that way?

Tsk, tsk, tsk.  ;)

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

2011-07-21 Thread Mitch Haley


Craig wrote:


What is the part number on the rims (it's stamped on the inside of one of
the spokes, IIRC)?


I think you'll find that W124=W201 ≠ W126=W116=W123

W124 can go on W126 with spacers, but not the other way around.

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:13:16 -0700 Alex Chamberlain
apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote:

 126 rims will not fit a 124.

Thanks for the info, Alex.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The ex-SnookMobile is now in Los Alamos

On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:48:48 -0400 Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:

 I think you'll find that W124=W201 ≠ W126=W116=W123
 
 W124 can go on W126 with spacers, but not the other way around.

Thanks for the info, Mitch. I was planning on looking it up in the Wheel
Guide, ver 2.6, on mountainmarketingwv.com that someone (Fred?) posted
recently.


Craig

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