Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[OK Don]

WOW - I've never heard of that happening before!

> I thought maybe I'd blown a tire but when I got out it was immediately 
> apparent I'd blown the driver's side front wheel bearing. There was smoke 
> pouring out and the center cap of the wheel was missing and nowhere to be 
> found. Looking inside I could see a piece of bearing cage.
>
> What the heck? I've never had that happen before. I waited for it to quit 
> smoking and tried easing forward. The scary squeeking noises made me think 
> thats a bad idea. I got it towed to my Indy. Fortunately the weather is nice 
> so I can motorcycle to work tomorrow...
>
> Is this common? I'd just thought the other day that I should get the bearings 
> checked and repacked, its been awhile...
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Peter Frederick]

I had a rear wheel bearing go out kinda like that in Canada -- I was  
having some squeaky/clanky noises on the right rear, and assumed I  
had corroded brake shoes and needed to pull the drum and grease them  
where they contact the backing plate (they rub on a Dodge Aries).   
This is fairly common in Canada, the salt on the roads eats everything.

Before I got to it, I made my weekly trip across the bridge back to  
the US to shop and pick up mail, and heard a terrible crunch followed  
by really bad squeaking and thumping, so I limped home and jacked it up.

The bearings were so worn that the cage had been rolled through the  
bearings.  Nasty, shavings all over the place and the rollers were  
WAY undersized and rough.

Turns out this is also a common problem in Canada -- bearing gets  
warm driving on the highway and then you drive through a puddle of  
salty slush.  The grease shrinks and sucks salty water into the  
bearing if the seal is old, and when the water dries out in the  
summer, the resultant salt crystals grind up the bearing.  Happens  
fairly quick, too.

Never had one smoke before, though -- usually you get some warning  
with "loose" steering, lots of rumbling, or grinding or whistling  
noise before the bearing actually fails.

I never did get the race off the stub axle, I had to buy a new one.   
Still have the old stub somewhere downstairs with the inner race  
welded on.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Jim Cathey]

> Is this common? I'd just thought the other day that I should get the 
> bearings checked and repacked, its been awhile...

I lost a wheel bearing like that on the Falcon once.
No real warning, went from no problem to no function
in a surprisingly short time.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Wonko the Sane]

Definite eBay candidate. Could be worth some money.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Still have the old stub somewhere downstairs with the inner race
> welded on.
>



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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Peter Frederick]

Only as scrap iron.  There is a defective wheel bearing race spin  
welded onto the axle.

Peter

On Aug 28, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote:

> Definite eBay candidate. Could be worth some money.
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Peter Frederick  
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>> Still have the old stub somewhere downstairs with the inner race
>> welded on.
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Jim Cathey]

> I never did get the race off the stub axle, I had to buy a new one.

The old farmer's race removal trick is to run a nice fat
hot bead down the inside of the race with the arc welder.
When it cools it shrinks, pulling the race away from the
hub.  It might take more than one bead to break it loose.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Jim Cathey]

> Only as scrap iron.  There is a defective wheel bearing race spin
> welded onto the axle.

Those are harder to get off!

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Wonko the Sane]

Remember -- folks on eBay buy grilled cheese sandwiches with the Virgin Mary
showing on the bread.

Market it as "an extremely rare Benz failure, one in a million (miles)" --
someone will definitely buy it. Don't forget to do the markup shipping
charges!

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> Only as scrap iron.  There is a defective wheel bearing race spin
> welded onto the axle.
>
> Peter
>
> On Aug 28, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
> > Definite eBay candidate. Could be worth some money.
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Peter Frederick
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> >
> >> Still have the old stub somewhere downstairs with the inner race
> >> welded on.
> >>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Peter Frederick]

It's not in the hub, it's on the axle shaft.  It woudn't budge when  
heated red hot with a propane torch.  The rear axles on a K-car are  
welded to a flat plate, just long enough to mount the wheel on.  They  
bolt to the sheet metal and torsion bar axle under the car.  A weld  
bead might fracture the race, but the axle is still junk.

The new one cost me maybe $50, and used ones are non-existant -- they  
make perfect trailer axles!

Peter 

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Kevin Kraly]

I'd just thought the other day that I should get the bearings checked and 
repacked, its been a while...

The ones on my 300sD were done while it was up for the new ball joint.  One 
of my 300CD's had a wheel bearing groan -- I guess it's not good to put it 
off too long.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Luther]

This happens on our big trucks all the time.  You can't ever be sure 
which went first, the seal or the bearing.  Once it's in the shop, we 
call the axle surgeon and pay him $700-$1000 to use his high  
machine to cut the axle end off and weld a new one on that keeps the 
axle perfectly straight.

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Coming home tonight I got off the highway onto a fast secondary road. Crested 
> a hill at ~50mph when all to once several things happened:
> The steering felt all squirrelly
> and
> I felt like I was losing power
>
> I thought maybe I'd blown a tire but when I got out it was immediately 
> apparent I'd blown the driver's side front wheel bearing. There was smoke 
> pouring out and the center cap of the wheel was missing and nowhere to be 
> found. Looking inside I could see a piece of bearing cage.
>
> What the heck? I've never had that happen before. I waited for it to quit 
> smoking and tried easing forward. The scary squeeking noises made me think 
> thats a bad idea. I got it towed to my Indy. Fortunately the weather is nice 
> so I can motorcycle to work tomorrow...
>
> Is this common? I'd just thought the other day that I should get the bearings 
> checked and repacked, its been awhile...
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Curt Raymond]

In retrospect I have noticed an ever so slight wobble on the highway. Felt 
something like a soft tire or a rear link being just ever so slightly loose. I 
passed it off as my being a hypocondriac...

-Curt

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 11:45 PM

> Is this common? I'd just thought the other day that I should get the 
> bearings checked and repacked, its been awhile...

I lost a wheel bearing like that on the Falcon once.
No real warning, went from no problem to no function
in a surprisingly short time.

-- Jim




  
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[MG]

Wow, high pucker factor there.

To avoid that kind of thing I tend to check the bearings when I buy a 
car and then whenever I replace the brake pads I clean and repack or 
replace the bearings if they are scored, flaking or otherwise worn looking.

Manfred

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 19:02:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh


Coming home tonight I got off the highway onto a fast secondary road.
  Crested a hill at ~50mph when all to once several things happened:
The steering felt all squirrelly
and
I felt like I was losing power

I thought maybe I'd blown a tire but when I got out it was immediately
  apparent I'd blown the driver's side front wheel bearing. There was
  smoke pouring out and the center cap of the wheel was missing and nowhere
  to be found. Looking inside I could see a piece of bearing cage.

What the heck? I've never had that happen before. I waited for it to
  quit smoking and tried easing forward. The scary squeeking noises made me
  think thats a bad idea. I got it towed to my Indy. Fortunately the
  weather is nice so I can motorcycle to work tomorrow...

Is this common? I'd just thought the other day that I should get the
  bearings checked and repacked, its been awhile...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[andrew strasfogel]

where is part deux?

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

 so in other words they will be out of business soon.  That is 
sure quite a few $20 power tools to sell to pay for all that stuff.


On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/19/harbor-freight-ceo-accused-by-parents-of-looting/

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Dieselhead]

Spoiled brats, even 50 yr old spoiled brats, ruin families and companies.

 so in other words they will be out of business soon.  That is sure 
quite a few $20 power tools to sell to pay for all that stuff.


On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/19/harbor-freight-ceo-accused-by-parents-of-looting/

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Rolf]

 Wow I cant believe they make any kind of profit margin on their crap :D

On 9/23/2010 8:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

Spoiled brats, even 50 yr old spoiled brats, ruin families and companies.

 so in other words they will be out of business soon.  That is sure 
quite a few $20 power tools to sell to pay for all that stuff.


On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/19/harbor-freight-ceo-accused-by-parents-of-looting/ 



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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Peter T. Arnold]

 30% or they would close the doors. I think what you mean is how cheap 
the must buy it for.



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On 9/25/2010 9:24 PM, Rolf wrote:

Wow I cant believe they make any kind of profit margin on their crap :D

On 9/23/2010 8:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
Spoiled brats, even 50 yr old spoiled brats, ruin families and 
companies.


so in other words they will be out of business soon. That is sure 
quite a few $20 power tools to sell to pay for all that stuff.


On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/19/harbor-freight-ceo-accused-by-parents-of-looting/ 



-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Allan Streib]

They probably sell it at about 1.5x their cost.

Rolf  writes:

>  Wow I cant believe they make any kind of profit margin on their crap :D
>
> On 9/23/2010 8:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:
>> Spoiled brats, even 50 yr old spoiled brats, ruin families and companies.
>>
>>>  so in other words they will be out of business soon.  That is sure
>>> quite a few $20 power tools to sell to pay for all that stuff.
>>>
>>> On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/19/harbor-freight-ceo-accused-by-parents-of-looting/
  


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[Dieselhead]

That would be a 33% margin and yes overall that is probably close. 
Out of that, all freight and op exp has to be paid.  In reality, you 
have some low margin or loss leaders you use to lure folks into the 
store.  Then you have normal items that have a 30-35% margin.  And 
then you have the gravy items, where you make 50 to 75% margin. ... 
and everything in between.  Big companies pay neilson billions to 
figure out the exact optimal price point for profit.  The point of 
consumer pain.  In our small business, we had things like spices that 
were around 60% margin.  Lots of other items that were around 30-40% 
margin and the things I called loss leaders or staples, that you had 
to be competitive on.  The overall goal was to have an average margin 
of 40-45% and turn the inventory total value every month.  The 
second, velocity, is a key to profitability that most retailers (or 
manufacturers) don't look at enough.  Dr. Goldratt teaches focus on 
velocity and strategic buffers.  It makes a world of difference, but 
most bean counters don't understand the TOC approach and how to use 
it.  I just heard a war story this morning form a guy who retired 
from the office furniture/supply business.  He was telling how their 
young MBA was going to put them on "just in time" but didn't 
understand drum buffer rope or strategic buffers.  The result was 
disastrous, and took many years to recover from.



They probably sell it at about 1.5x their cost.

Rolf  writes:


  Wow I cant believe they make any kind of profit margin on their crap :D

 On 9/23/2010 8:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Spoiled brats, even 50 yr old spoiled brats, ruin families and companies.


  so in other words they will be out of business soon.  That is sure
 quite a few $20 power tools to sell to pay for all that stuff.

 On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:


http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/19/harbor-freight-ceo-accused-by-parents-of-looting/


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Walt Zarnoch]

Reminds me of the college bookstore.
They price the 1-liter soda's at 1.50 with the tax factored in, and
the 12oz at 1.25 with tax factored in. The vending machines have em at
1.50 for the 12oz ones.

Needless to say, the bookstore flat-out schools the vending machines
in profit on soda, even though the price is lower. The kid who sets
the prices agrees that selling more volume at a lower per-unit profit
is a lot better than selling low volume at a higher per-unit profit,
since you end up getting more sales in the end.

Walt

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That would be a 33% margin and yes overall that is probably close. Out of
> that, all freight and op exp has to be paid.  In reality, you have some low
> margin or loss leaders you use to lure folks into the store.  Then you have
> normal items that have a 30-35% margin.  And then you have the gravy items,
> where you make 50 to 75% margin. ... and everything in between.  Big
> companies pay neilson billions to figure out the exact optimal price point
> for profit.  The point of consumer pain.  In our small business, we had
> things like spices that were around 60% margin.  Lots of other items that
> were around 30-40% margin and the things I called loss leaders or staples,
> that you had to be competitive on.  The overall goal was to have an average
> margin of 40-45% and turn the inventory total value every month.  The
> second, velocity, is a key to profitability that most retailers (or
> manufacturers) don't look at enough.  Dr. Goldratt teaches focus on velocity
> and strategic buffers.  It makes a world of difference, but most bean
> counters don't understand the TOC approach and how to use it.  I just heard
> a war story this morning form a guy who retired from the office
> furniture/supply business.  He was telling how their young MBA was going to
> put them on "just in time" but didn't understand drum buffer rope or
> strategic buffers.  The result was disastrous, and took many years to
> recover from.
>
>> They probably sell it at about 1.5x their cost.
>>
>> Rolf  writes:
>>
>>>  Wow I cant believe they make any kind of profit margin on their crap :D
>>>
>>>  On 9/23/2010 8:48 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

  Spoiled brats, even 50 yr old spoiled brats, ruin families and
 companies.

>  so in other words they will be out of business soon.  That is sure
>  quite a few $20 power tools to sell to pay for all that stuff.
>
>  On 9/21/2010 11:54 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.vcstar.com/news/2010/jul/19/harbor-freight-ceo-accused-by-parents-of-looting/
>>
>>
>>  -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Allan Streib]

On Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:18 -0700, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> http://jalopnik.com/5167823/gm-shelves-45+liter-duramax-diesel-engine-dorks-weep

On the other hand

http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/03/25/first.economical.process.making.biodiesel.fuel.algae
 

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Bob Rentfro]

Booogood luck.

Bob R
On Dec 21, 2012 3:58 PM, "Curt Raymond"  wrote:

> Running up 495 to Maine for the holidays and broke the lower hose clamp on
> my '78 240D. I noticed it when the temp was pegged.
> It still runs but heats back up. I've had the bleed plug out and can get
> water out of the hole. Going to let it cool for awhile and hope for the
> best. I've got the front end driven right up on the curb to help with
> bleeding...
>
> -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Scott Ritchey]

I've had the best luck filling through the upper radiator hose, unclamped
from the radiator.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt
Raymond
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:58 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh...

Running up 495 to Maine for the holidays and broke the lower hose clamp on
my '78 240D. I noticed it when the temp was pegged.
It still runs but heats back up. I've had the bleed plug out and can get
water out of the hole. Going to let it cool for awhile and hope for the
best. I've got the front end driven right up on the curb to help with
bleeding...

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Frederick Moir]

Hey, Curt.
Luke and/or Fred could come to you if need be.
Just ask.
 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.


>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 5:57 PM
>Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh...
> 
>Running up 495 to Maine for the holidays and broke the lower hose clamp on my 
>'78 240D. I noticed it when the temp was pegged.
>It still runs but heats back up. I've had the bleed plug out and can get water 
>out of the hole. Going to let it cool for awhile and hope for the best. I've 
>got the front end driven right up on the curb to help with bleeding...
>
>-Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Peter Frederick]

You may have cooked the thermostat -- check to make sure you have  
circulation in the radiator.  If the thermostat is stuck part way  
open, it can overheat.  Ditto if the flap on the back that closes the  
engine recirculation passage is damaged (which sometimes happens when  
it's overheated).


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Curt Raymond]

After much farting around we're back on the road. When it wouldn't burp the 
issue was not enough water. Once it was full up we were okay.
I stopped at a Mobil station for more water they also had clamps so I replaced 
that. Stupid car wouldn't burp again. Finally we drove around shutting the car 
off as it got hot and it got better. Headed south and it was okay, turned 
around to head north and the temp went back up!
Turned south again and it was fine. Seems to do better on the highway than 
around town. Is that a sign of a toasted head gasket?

Anyway we're doing dinner at Cracker Barrel hopefully we'll be good for home, 
about 55 miles.

Curt

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On Dec 21, 2012, at 5:57 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Running up 495 to Maine for the holidays and broke the lower hose clamp on my 
> '78 240D. I noticed it when the temp was pegged.
> It still runs but heats back up. I've had the bleed plug out and can get 
> water out of the hole. Going to let it cool for awhile and hope for the best. 
> I've got the front end driven right up on the curb to help with bleeding...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Curt Raymond]

Thanks Fred, I'm glad to hear it.

Any breakdown you can drive home from is not that bad a breakdown. So almost 7 
hours after leaving home we're back, we got all the way to north Haverhill, 
about 150 miles round trip.

Couple interesting things on the ride home, we're definitely down on power, 
hills we could accelerate up before we just held on, hills we held on before we 
slow down on now, hills we slowed down on before we had to shift into 3rd on.

After dinner I thought we were home and dry but as we pulled onto the highway 
the temp gauge started climbing again, I cranked the heat in the car and we got 
some LOUD gurgling in the area of the heater core, when the gurgling stopped 
the temp gauge dropped, it did that exactly the same as we started south.

Finally as we slowed down to come through town here I could here some valve 
clatter. You know that valve noise when you haven't changed the oil often 
enough? This car has been doing that first thing in the morning anyway but it 
went away as the car warmed up but just now it was doing it ever so slightly 
all the time.


Anyway I put the block heater on for tonight so the engine won't freeze with 
mostly water in it, tomorrow I'll drain the water out. I don't intend to put 
any coolant in since it'll have to come out for the headgasket anyway. I'll 
have it towed to my Indy next week.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:13:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Frederick Moir 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...
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Hey, Curt.
Luke and/or Fred could come to you if need be.
Just ask.
?
Fred Moir
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Frederick Moir]

Curt.
Not what you needed on a trip north.
Though a little better than on the Maine Turnpike.
Glad that you both made it home OK, don't worry about the valve noise, it'll 
buff right out.
Ho Ho Ho!
 
Fred Moir
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>
> From: Curt Raymond 
>To: Diesel List  
>Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:12 PM
>Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...
> 
>Thanks Fred, I'm glad to hear it.
>
>Any breakdown you can drive home from is not that bad a breakdown. So almost 7 
>hours after leaving home we're back, we got all the way to north Haverhill, 
>about 150 miles round trip.
>
>Couple interesting things on the ride home, we're definitely down on power, 
>hills we could accelerate up before we just held on, hills we held on before 
>we slow down on now, hills we slowed down on before we had to shift into 3rd 
>on.
>
>After dinner I thought we were home and dry but as we pulled onto the highway 
>the temp gauge started climbing again, I cranked the heat in the car and we 
>got some LOUD gurgling in the area of the heater core, when the gurgling 
>stopped the temp gauge dropped, it did that exactly the same as we started 
>south.
>
>Finally as we slowed down to come through town here I could here some valve 
>clatter. You know that valve noise when you haven't changed the oil often 
>enough? This car has been doing that first thing in the morning anyway but it 
>went away as the car warmed up but just now it was doing it ever so slightly 
>all the time.
>
>
>Anyway I put the block heater on for tonight so the engine won't freeze with 
>mostly water in it, tomorrow I'll drain the water out. I don't intend to put 
>any coolant in since it'll have to come out for the headgasket anyway. I'll 
>have it towed to my Indy next week.
>
>-Curt
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Craig]

On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:12:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Anyway I put the block heater on for tonight so the engine won't freeze
> with mostly water in it, tomorrow I'll drain the water out. 

I would not trust the block heater to keep the radiator warm.


> I don't intend to put any coolant in since it'll have to come out for
> the headgasket anyway. I'll have it towed to my Indy next week.

Are you assuming the lack of power is the head gasket?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[WILTON]

What's the temp going to tonight?  Can't you drain rad now?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Craig" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...



On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:12:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
 wrote:


Anyway I put the block heater on for tonight so the engine won't freeze
with mostly water in it, tomorrow I'll drain the water out. 


I would not trust the block heater to keep the radiator warm.



I don't intend to put any coolant in since it'll have to come out for
the headgasket anyway. I'll have it towed to my Indy next week.


Are you assuming the lack of power is the head gasket?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Curt Raymond]

The block heater was just for insurance, there was some anti-freeze in the 
system and it wasn't all that cold. I didn't want to wait up for the car to 
cool off, I was beat after our adventure.

I'm assuming that the lack of power and the valve clatter are both signs of a 
failed headgasket...

-Curt

Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:54:43 -0700
From: Craig 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:12:32 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond
 wrote:

> Anyway I put the block heater on for tonight so the engine won't freeze
> with mostly water in it, tomorrow I'll drain the water out. 

I would not trust the block heater to keep the radiator warm.


> I don't intend to put any coolant in since it'll have to come out for
> the headgasket anyway. I'll have it towed to my Indy next week.

Are you assuming the lack of power is the head gasket?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Dieselhead]

The block heater was just for insurance, there was some anti-freeze 
in the system and it wasn't all that cold. I didn't want to wait up 
for the car to cool off, I was beat after our adventure.


I'm assuming that the lack of power and the valve clatter are both 
signs of a failed headgasket...


-Curt


I'm not sure that is a good explanation, but I don't have a good 
alternate one.  Scored cylinders (melted pistons)  from overheating 
is the best explanation I have.


Car-part.com  look for a good engine?  Still probably $1200 or more 
$600 for engine and $600 for swap.  (unless you DIY, but that is not 
practical when the flakes are flying and you are not in collyfunkia)


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Curt Raymond]

If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder because of lowered 
compression?
If anything it starts EASIER now. Car-part does have some $600-$700 engines, I 
was considering a newer, higher performance engine, didn't they change in '83 
to have more power? I could at least get one with new type pencil plugs. I've 
got pencil plugs in this one but I'm not sure the retrofit type are as good as 
an engine designed for pencil plugs. Last I tried this car wouldn't start below 
about 15F although as easy as it started the last two days things may have 
changed...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:34:53 -0600
From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...
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>The block heater was just for insurance, there was some anti-freeze 
>in the system and it wasn't all that cold. I didn't want to wait up 
>for the car to cool off, I was beat after our adventure.
>
>I'm assuming that the lack of power and the valve clatter are both 
>signs of a failed headgasket...
>
>-Curt

I'm not sure that is a good explanation, but I don't have a good 
alternate one.  Scored cylinders (melted pistons)  from overheating 
is the best explanation I have.

Car-part.com  look for a good engine?  Still probably $1200 or more 
$600 for engine and $600 for swap.  (unless you DIY, but that is not 
practical when the flakes are flying and you are not in collyfunkia)


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Brian Toscano]

with lower compression it would spin over faster!

On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder because of
> lowered compression?
> If anything it starts EASIER now. Car-part does have some $600-$700
> engines, I was considering a newer, higher performance engine, didn't they
> change in '83 to have more power? I could at least get one with new type
> pencil plugs. I've got pencil plugs in this one but I'm not sure the
> retrofit type are as good as an engine designed for pencil plugs. Last I
> tried this car wouldn't start below about 15F although as easy as it
> started the last two days things may have changed...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:34:53 -0600
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> >The block heater was just for insurance, there was some anti-freeze
> >in the system and it wasn't all that cold. I didn't want to wait up
> >for the car to cool off, I was beat after our adventure.
> >
> >I'm assuming that the lack of power and the valve clatter are both
> >signs of a failed headgasket...
> >
> >-Curt
>
> I'm not sure that is a good explanation, but I don't have a good
> alternate one.  Scored cylinders (melted pistons)  from overheating
> is the best explanation I have.
>
> Car-part.com  look for a good engine?  Still probably $1200 or more
> $600 for engine and $600 for swap.  (unless you DIY, but that is not
> practical when the flakes are flying and you are not in collyfunkia)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[G Mann]

Damage from overheat does not always result in scored pistons. However, if
the temp rise is large enough it may heat the pistons to the point the
camber is taken out of them. Pistons have an "egg shape" at the skirt area
to stop piston "slap" as it goes up and down. If the heat rise was enough
it may have deformed the skirt wall "egg" enough to make piston slap become
part of the engine noise set.

It may happen before the rings become hot enough to lose spring tension
that holds them out against the cylinder wall, thus start/run/power is
"relatively unaffected". In fact, as mentioned, start may happen faster
because of loss of friction the starter spins "relatively faster"  Just
a thought.

Was not there, bring the car closer to the computer so I can listen to it
run.. ;)))

Grant...
Had it happen once when  freeze plug blew out after fresh overhaul... oops.

On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder because of
> lowered compression?
> If anything it starts EASIER now. Car-part does have some $600-$700
> engines, I was considering a newer, higher performance engine, didn't they
> change in '83 to have more power? I could at least get one with new type
> pencil plugs. I've got pencil plugs in this one but I'm not sure the
> retrofit type are as good as an engine designed for pencil plugs. Last I
> tried this car wouldn't start below about 15F although as easy as it
> started the last two days things may have changed...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:34:53 -0600
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
>
> >The block heater was just for insurance, there was some anti-freeze
> >in the system and it wasn't all that cold. I didn't want to wait up
> >for the car to cool off, I was beat after our adventure.
> >
> >I'm assuming that the lack of power and the valve clatter are both
> >signs of a failed headgasket...
> >
> >-Curt
>
> I'm not sure that is a good explanation, but I don't have a good
> alternate one.  Scored cylinders (melted pistons)  from overheating
> is the best explanation I have.
>
> Car-part.com  look for a good engine?  Still probably $1200 or more
> $600 for engine and $600 for swap.  (unless you DIY, but that is not
> practical when the flakes are flying and you are not in collyfunkia)
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[dseretakis]

So what have I missed here? Do you need an engine tx in one of your cars? Did 
you do a compression test?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 25, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder because of lowered 
> compression?
> If anything it starts EASIER now. Car-part does have some $600-$700 engines, 
> I was considering a newer, higher performance engine, didn't they change in 
> '83 to have more power? I could at least get one with new type pencil plugs. 
> I've got pencil plugs in this one but I'm not sure the retrofit type are as 
> good as an engine designed for pencil plugs. Last I tried this car wouldn't 
> start below about 15F although as easy as it started the last two days things 
> may have changed...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 14:34:53 -0600
> From: Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com>
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...
> Message-ID: 
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> 
>> The block heater was just for insurance, there was some anti-freeze 
>> in the system and it wasn't all that cold. I didn't want to wait up 
>> for the car to cool off, I was beat after our adventure.
>> 
>> I'm assuming that the lack of power and the valve clatter are both 
>> signs of a failed headgasket...
>> 
>> -Curt
> 
> I'm not sure that is a good explanation, but I don't have a good 
> alternate one.  Scored cylinders (melted pistons)  from overheating 
> is the best explanation I have.
> 
> Car-part.com  look for a good engine?  Still probably $1200 or more 
> $600 for engine and $600 for swap.  (unless you DIY, but that is not 
> practical when the flakes are flying and you are not in collyfunkia)
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Fmiser]

> Curt Raymond wrote:

> If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder
> because of lowered compression?

I would guess that with Mobil 1 the oil probably survived fine.
And so a low probability of scored pistons.  But that's just a
guess. *smiles*

> If anything it starts EASIER now.

Sweet!  New style of Italian Tuneup!  

> Car-part does have some $600-$700 engines, I was considering a
> newer, higher performance engine, didn't they change in '83 to
> have more power?

'81, I think.

> I could at least get one with new type pencil plugs. I've got
> pencil plugs in this one but I'm not sure the retrofit type
> are as good as an engine designed for pencil plugs.

My odd-ball '81 that seems to be a mix of the old and new came
with parallel glow plugs.  My retrofit in the '78 seem to do
just as well as the later ones.  But the I think the cam and
injection pump changed to create more power.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Fmiser]

> > Curt wrote:
> > 
> > If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder
> > because of lowered compression?

> Brian Toscano wrote:

> with lower compression it would spin over faster!

But the faster spinning wouldn't help - because it's the heat of
the air compressing that causes the fuel to burn.  Faster
spinning only helps if the compression stays the same.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Michael Canfield]

Ok here.   If you had scored the cylinder walls bad enough to lower the
compression then you would have a harder starting,  oil burning engine. Do
you smell any oil in the exhaust?   A blue tint to the exhaust maybe? If
not, then you are probably ok.
  I would adjust the valve lash and change out the oil and run it.

Mike
On Dec 26, 2012 3:18 AM, "Fmiser"  wrote:

> > > Curt wrote:
> > >
> > > If I had scored pistons wouldn't the engine start harder
> > > because of lowered compression?
>
> > Brian Toscano wrote:
>
> > with lower compression it would spin over faster!
>
> But the faster spinning wouldn't help - because it's the heat of
> the air compressing that causes the fuel to burn.  Faster
> spinning only helps if the compression stays the same.
>
> --   Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Craig]

On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:13:42 -0600 Fmiser  wrote:

> > Curt Raymond wrote:
>
> > Car-part does have some $600-$700 engines, I was considering a
> > newer, higher performance engine, didn't they change in '83 to
> > have more power?
> 
> '81, I think.

IIRC, it was late '81. Our '82 came from the factory with pencil plugs
and I'm fairly certain has the higher power engine.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 17:28:10 -0400 Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> ... I'm kind of glad it did it now and not halfway to Syracuse.

That's for sure!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Very likely it's either out of fuel or you have a badly leaking line.

timing belt would make a lot of noise when it went as the valves hit  
the pistons.


Have you checked the accuracy of the fuel gauge?

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yep, start simple/easy/cheap and work toward complex/expensive.

Plugged fuel filter(s)?

All a diesel engine needs is air in, fuel, compression, and exhaust out.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC

On Aug 4, 2014 6:35 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Very likely it's either out of fuel or you have a badly leaking line.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Yeah, 1500 miles across Michigan. I've put 16,000 miles on it thus far, the low 
fuel light works too.

I concur the timing belt is unlikely but I don't want to leave anything out. 
Going out now to put some diesel in the filter...

-Curt




 From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
To: Craig ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
 

Very likely it's either out of fuel or you have a badly leaking line.

timing belt would make a lot of noise when it went as the valves hit  
the pistons.

Have you checked the accuracy of the fuel gauge?

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How about hooking it up to the laptop?

VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid, you can see the 
readout here: 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/VCDSreadout_zps79697737.png
 
The shutoff solenoid lives on the top of the IP and does what it says it does. 
Mine reads direct to ground with the wire removed, I'm going to say thats a bad 
one.
Genuine VW part from an online place is $150 plus delivery, we'll see what my 
local VW dealers say, I've got 2 to try since I have to be at work tomorrow.

Good thing I put a new exhaust pipe on the 190D (MB content) last weekend. The 
old one had split a couple inches away from where I'd last fixed it. If I kept 
at it much longer it'd be all repair...

-Curt



 From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes ; Peter Frederick  
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
 

Yep, start simple/easy/cheap and work toward complex/expensive.

Plugged fuel filter(s)?

All a diesel engine needs is air in, fuel, compression, and exhaust out.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC


On Aug 4, 2014 6:35 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Very likely it's either out of fuel or you have a badly leaking line.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[WILTON via Mercedes]

Re. timing belt/chain:  When chain on my 91 350SDL broke, there was no 
noise, no bang, no rattle, no gradual loss of power - just sudden quietness, 
except for slipstream and tire/road noise as I was immediately coasting 
powerless to a stop from 65 mph.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
To: "Peter Frederick" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" 


Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh


Yeah, 1500 miles across Michigan. I've put 16,000 miles on it thus far, the 
low fuel light works too.


I concur the timing belt is unlikely but I don't want to leave anything out. 
Going out now to put some diesel in the filter...


-Curt




From: Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
To: Craig ; Mercedes Discussion List 


Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh


Very likely it's either out of fuel or you have a badly leaking line.

timing belt would make a lot of noise when it went as the valves hit
the pistons.

Have you checked the accuracy of the fuel gauge?

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

How about hooking it up to the laptop?

VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid,


Suddenly I like a vacuum solenoid that fails in the RUN position.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curt wrote:
> 
> VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid,

> The shutoff solenoid lives on the top of the IP and does what it
> says it does. Mine reads direct to ground with the wire removed,
> I'm going to say thats a bad one. 

I really like the way the Cummins 14L BigCam engines do it.  Power
to the solenoid allows fuel to flow - but there is a thumbscrew on
the end that can be turned which hold the fuel valve open even with
no power.

On my 123s, I have a few times disconnected the vacuum line so the
engine won't shut off.

I'm trying to figure out a way to accomplish that with my 6.2L
Detroit...

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Hmmm - that laptop sounds handy. Is it different from an OBD-II reader? How
does it connect? I might be needing one of those in the future 


On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How about hooking it up to the laptop?
>
> VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid, you can see
> the readout here:
> http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/VCDSreadout_zps79697737.png
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The connection is the same as an OBD-II reader and it can perform all the 
OBD-II functions plus a bunch more things.
Your Passat requires the more expensive cable but it can do a lot more than my 
car can handle. For instance if you had different size tires it can correct the 
speedo. Theres a limit but I think its around 10% change...

-Curt



 From: OK Don 
To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:29 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
 


Hmmm - that laptop sounds handy. Is it different from an OBD-II reader? How 
does it connect? I might be needing one of those in the future 





On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

How about hooking it up to the laptop?
>
>VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid, you can see the 
>readout here: 
>http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/VCDSreadout_zps79697737.png
> 
>
>
>

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[MG via Mercedes]

Simple. Disconnect the original cutoff wire on the injection pump 
and put in a separate switch from power to the shut off solenoid. 
That way if the switch is on it stays running. Side benefit is 
that it's harder to steal since it won't start without the switch on.


Manfred

Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 22:46:57 -0500
From: Fmiser 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh


On my 123s, I have a few times disconnected the vacuum line so the
engine won't shut off.

I'm trying to figure out a way to accomplish that with my 6.2L
Detroit...



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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

But if the solenoid fails...

I'm going to spend some time looking at how the one on the Jetta works and see 
if I could make a manual replacement, it'd be good to have if trouble came 
again.

-Curt



 From: MG via Mercedes 
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
 

Simple. Disconnect the original cutoff wire on the injection pump 
and put in a separate switch from power to the shut off solenoid. 
That way if the switch is on it stays running. Side benefit is 
that it's harder to steal since it won't start without the switch on.

Manfred

Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 22:46:57 -0500
From: Fmiser 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh


On my 123s, I have a few times disconnected the vacuum line so the
engine won't shut off.

I'm trying to figure out a way to accomplish that with my 6.2L
Detroit...



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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Fmiser via Mercedes]

> > Fmiser wrote:
> >
> > On my 123s, I have a few times disconnected the vacuum line so
> > the engine won't shut off.
> >
> > I'm trying to figure out a way to accomplish that with my 6.2L
> > Detroit...

> MG wrote:
> 
> Simple. Disconnect the original cutoff wire on the injection pump 
> and put in a separate switch from power to the shut off solenoid. 

Well - almost.  I'm wanting a way to keep it running _without_
electricity.  The engine is fully mechanical with only the fuel
solenoid and the glowplugs/starter requiring electric power.

I'm wanting a mechanical override to keep the engine running even
if the solenoid or electric system fail.

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

It will click when power is applied.  If not, and it's the Bosch  
rotary pump, the armature has separated from the solenoid.  I think  
that is the problem with my Volvo -- ran poorly for a while then  
refused to start, no fuel delivery.


Pull in and check that it pops open and stays open when power is  
applied.  If not, it's dead and so is the engine!


If it leaves the valve behind when you take it off, you know what  
happened.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh!

[Dave M.]

Hi Michael,

A quick peek at the EPC shows that there is really only one part
number for springs for your car. It would help if you specified which
chassis... there was a 280SE W108, W111, and W116 (and maybe more).
The free length of the spring as measured when not installed will NOT
be the same as the length measured when the spring is installed on the
car. So, you can't really compare without removing the spring. What
you can do is look at the bottom coil, there should be a part number
stamped into the spring itself. We can check that against the EPC and
determine if you have the correct springs installed in the car. I'm
pretty sure the front & rear springs would not be interchangeable,
unless they are the same diameter, which would be unusual.

:)

-dm

> --
> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 00:46:29 -0800 (PST)
> From: michael smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Uh Oh!
>
>
>  A few months ago I had new coil springs installed on my 78 280SE
> front and rear...I am thinking the mechanic accidentally put the
> front on the back and vice versa...the front was dramatically lower
> than the front and I had an arguement with the supplier...since I
> waited more than 30 days before installing them he left me high and
> dry...so I had spring lifts installed to prop up the front and she
> looks normal...but the handling is a little off.  So tonight I was
> looking on Ebay and noticed a pair of rear springs listed, the
> description claimed they are 15" tall, and oddly enough the last
> time I had the car up in the air I ran a tape measure inside the
> coil and sure enough it was 15"...the fronts should be 18"...guess I
> have to have the car lifted again and measure the rear...
>
> Any experiences with changing springs?
>
>
> Michael in not so sunny San Diego

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh!

[John Berryman]

On Mar 13, 2006, at 3:46 AM, michael smith wrote:


Any experiences with changing springs?


	For some reason, I have seen many springs lately that after  
installation give the cars way different ride heights. My friends  
mini-van is the most recent. The suspension used to bottom out, now  
it tops out.
	MB has a chart about a mile long that gives all kinds of spring  
data. It is mind boggling that there are so many variables. Spring  
rubbers also come in many flavors. I have installed a few sets of  
springs and rubbers in 123 and 126 MBs over the past year. I had to  
get the part# from old rubbers to get the right ones. The springs  
themselves were all fine. Once the correct rubbers were installed,  
the ride height was where it belongs. After seeing this for the first  
time I pulled the springs and rubbers then put in the order.
	I know its a PIA but ordering the right rubbers is a crap shoot if  
you can't come up with the right part#.




If anybody needs I have a set of used front brake calipers for the
same car as well as 2 new right calipers, new rear brake pads, spare
starter, alternator, radiators for 450SEL and 280SE, tons of
interior parts and rims...300D and 300SD injector pumps and
turbochargers...and a steering gearbox from a 110,000 mile car.

Michael in not so sunny San Diego


	I still need Bendix 116 front calipers and would buy the rear pads  
as well. If the used ones are not stuck they would be fine as I would  
rebuild them. Let me know how much you want for them shipped to 12814  
zip code. If any good radiators will fit 79 300SD I'm interested in  
that too.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh!

[Marshall Booth]

Dave M. wrote:

Hi Michael,

A quick peek at the EPC shows that there is really only one part
number for springs for your car. It would help if you specified which
chassis... there was a 280SE W108, W111, and W116 (and maybe more).
The free length of the spring as measured when not installed will NOT
be the same as the length measured when the spring is installed on the
car. So, you can't really compare without removing the spring. What
you can do is look at the bottom coil, there should be a part number
stamped into the spring itself. We can check that against the EPC and
determine if you have the correct springs installed in the car. I'm
pretty sure the front & rear springs would not be interchangeable,
unless they are the same diameter, which would be unusual.


Replacing springs in an older Mercedes is often an exercise in 
frustration. If you go to the TDM for your car you will find pages of 
listing for springs that were available when the car was manufactured. 
The proper spring depended upon the particular accessories were included 
on your car. Even after all of that, there were at least two different 
spring (color coded) for each configuration that require different pads 
to properly set height.


As time since production of the car passes, the number of different 
springs actually available for replacement dwindles and thus getting 
precisely the original spring height may be impossible and setting the 
height becomes an art and NOT a science. It's matter of trying different 
pads with the springs you have and making a LOT of measurements. Trying 
to do it by eye is hopeless. I have dozens of post from people that have 
tried (at dealers, independents and on their own) and the number that 
have achieved what they set out to do I can count on the fingers of one 
hand with a few fingers left over.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh!

[John Berryman]

On Mar 13, 2006, at 1:20 PM, michael smith wrote:

  If you want the brake pads I think $20 including mailing will be  
fine-as for the calipers let me check what manufacturer they are  
and I will get back to you.


  Mike



	Thanks, really the calipers are more important to me, the pads will  
be put in stock and used when the time comes. If they are Bendix, let  
me know how much + shpg and we'll go from there.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh!

[michael smith]

The car is a 78 W116 280SE made for the California market and has stayed here 
all her life in San Diego.  Immediately after installing the springs the front 
bumper of the car was 5" lower than the rear bumper...and she had some unusual 
handling to boot.  So here is the information I have at hand...from Adsitco 
front coil springs before installation measure 18", from another source rear 
springs uninstalled measure 15"...so here is my suspicion...a 5" drop is a huge 
difference (I had lift spacers installed on the front since the new Bilsteins 
were grunting from the compression when I went over big dips in the road) and 
it almost works out to the measurement difference in the height of the 
springs...assuming that the car was never perfectly the same height front to 
back using the bumper as a center for measurement losing 3" at the front and 
gaining 3" at the rear would explain the huge lowering effect on the front end.
   
  I saw both sets of coils before installation (I had the rears done first, 
then a couple of weeks later the fronts) and they were not dramatically 
different in circumference, the only difference really being the height and 
number of turns.  
   
  So I guess my next question would be would somebody be kind enough to count 
the number of turns on their W116 body Mercedes and advise me so I can compare?
   
  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
   
  Mike in partly Sunny San Diego (but still cold) 

  ps-Marshall I will try to find any stamping on the springs tomorrow...
  
Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Dave M. wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> 
> A quick peek at the EPC shows that there is really only one part
> number for springs for your car. It would help if you specified which
> chassis... there was a 280SE W108, W111, and W116 (and maybe more).
> The free length of the spring as measured when not installed will NOT
> be the same as the length measured when the spring is installed on the
> car. So, you can't really compare without removing the spring. What
> you can do is look at the bottom coil, there should be a part number
> stamped into the spring itself. We can check that against the EPC and
> determine if you have the correct springs installed in the car. I'm
> pretty sure the front & rear springs would not be interchangeable,
> unless they are the same diameter, which would be unusual.

Replacing springs in an older Mercedes is often an exercise in 
frustration. If you go to the TDM for your car you will find pages of 
listing for springs that were available when the car was manufactured. 
The proper spring depended upon the particular accessories were included 
on your car. Even after all of that, there were at least two different 
spring (color coded) for each configuration that require different pads 
to properly set height.

As time since production of the car passes, the number of different 
springs actually available for replacement dwindles and thus getting 
precisely the original spring height may be impossible and setting the 
height becomes an art and NOT a science. It's matter of trying different 
pads with the springs you have and making a LOT of measurements. Trying 
to do it by eye is hopeless. I have dozens of post from people that have 
tried (at dealers, independents and on their own) and the number that 
have achieved what they set out to do I can count on the fingers of one 
hand with a few fingers left over.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh!

[John Berryman]

On Mar 13, 2006, at 3:46 AM, michael smith wrote:


If anybody needs I have a set of used front brake calipers for the
same car as well as 2 new right calipers, new rear brake pads, spare
starter, alternator, radiators for 450SEL and 280SE, tons of
interior parts and rims...300D and 300SD injector pumps and
turbochargers...and a steering gearbox from a 110,000 mile car.

Michael in not so sunny San Diego


Michael.
	I really could use your front calipers if they are Bendix. Please  
let me know if you have Bendix and how much $$ please. Its cool if  
for some reason you don't want to sell but please let me know and I  
will go to plan B.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh!

[Chuck Landenberger]

Michael.

I'm interested in the steering gearbox from the 300SD...  W116  
body?   Mine is getting a little loose after 347,000 miles..  How  
much???


Thanks in advance,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1980 300SD
1986 16V
On Apr 2, 2006, at 6:55 AM, John Berryman wrote:



On Mar 13, 2006, at 3:46 AM, michael smith wrote:


If anybody needs I have a set of used front brake calipers for the
same car as well as 2 new right calipers, new rear brake pads, spare
starter, alternator, radiators for 450SEL and 280SE, tons of
interior parts and rims...300D and 300SD injector pumps and
turbochargers...and a steering gearbox from a 110,000 mile car.

Michael in not so sunny San Diego


Michael.
I really could use your front calipers if they are Bendix. Please
let me know if you have Bendix and how much $$ please. Its cool if
for some reason you don't want to sell but please let me know and I
will go to plan B.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Since the VW admission I've been saying that probably all automakers cheat, VW 
just got caught.
How long until we find out how many lithium miners die for each Prius?
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel 
 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2016 3:31 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] Uh oh...
   
AIR POLLUTION:Mercedes owner sues Daimler over alleged rigged diesel
testsPublished:
Friday, February 19, 2016

A Mercedes diesel car owner is suing Daimler AG on the grounds that the
manufacturer programmed its clean diesel vehicles to emit more nitrogen
oxides than legally allowed.

The New Jersey suit was filed by the law firm Hagens Berman, which has
played a lead role in litigation over a similar scandal at Volkswagen AG.
That German automaker admitted last September 2015 that it had rigged its
vehicles to cheat U.S. diesel emissions tests (*Greenwire*
, Sept. 23, 2015).

The U.S. Justice Department last month filed a $46 billion lawsuit against
Volkswagen (*ClimateWire*
, Jan. 5).

Daimler has denied repeatedly any accusation of rigging emissions tests and
said today the suit was unfounded. Hagens Berman, however, said its on-road
testing had shown Mercedes' clean diesel vehicles emitting an average of 19
times the legal NOx emissions (Reuters/London*Guardian*
,
Feb. 19). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh...

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

I'm not really sure why anyone would really care about this. Except, I 
guess when the whistle was blown the value of the cars declined, but 
that is not a particularly rational response, the car does exactly what 
it was doing the day before and the only thing hurt was felings.


I wonder if Mama's ML has been rigged.

--R

On 2/19/16 3:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

AIR POLLUTION:Mercedes owner sues Daimler over alleged rigged diesel
testsPublished:
Friday, February 19, 2016

A Mercedes diesel car owner is suing Daimler AG on the grounds that the
manufacturer programmed its clean diesel vehicles to emit more nitrogen
oxides than legally allowed.

The New Jersey suit was filed by the law firm Hagens Berman, which has
played a lead role in litigation over a similar scandal at Volkswagen AG.
That German automaker admitted last September 2015 that it had rigged its
vehicles to cheat U.S. diesel emissions tests (*Greenwire*
, Sept. 23, 2015).

The U.S. Justice Department last month filed a $46 billion lawsuit against
Volkswagen (*ClimateWire*
, Jan. 5).

Daimler has denied repeatedly any accusation of rigging emissions tests and
said today the suit was unfounded. Hagens Berman, however, said its on-road
testing had shown Mercedes' clean diesel vehicles emitting an average of 19
times the legal NOx emissions (Reuters/London*Guardian*
,
Feb. 19). *-- BTP*
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

He is?

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> It appears Jabba the Hurst is on
> a W123 FB forum a few of us here are on. 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I do not see posts from jabba

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> Here ya go.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> 
> 
> He is?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 4:58 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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>> 
>> It appears Jabba the Hurst is on
>> a W123 FB forum a few of us here are on.
>> Any bets as to how long it will take for him to get banned?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Either he has me blocked or I have him blockers 

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> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Gary Alan Hurst
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: September 22, 2018 6:21 PM
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> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: ka...@striplin.net
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> 
> 
> I do not see posts from jabba
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:18 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Here ya go.
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Sent: September 22, 2018 5:00 PM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com<mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>> 
>> He is?
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 
 You see the post in the screenshot, yes?

  
 

 
Rick

 

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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Already offered to check out the car he’s interested in. As soon as he can tell 
me *which* 240D it is he’s looking at….

-D


> On May 13, 2019, at 12:53 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Will the Mercedes Martha be undercut by someone from the FB 123 group?
> See attached screenshot
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It’s this car:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html

Lot of questions on this.The first picture already has me asking questions. 
Look and you’ll see why….

-D




> On May 13, 2019, at 12:53 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
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> Will the Mercedes Martha be undercut by someone from the FB 123 group?
> See attached screenshot
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No underhood 
photos?


Rick

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It’s this car:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html

Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….

-D
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.

He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?

-D

> On May 13, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No 
> underhood photos?
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: May 13, 2019 4:20 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: d...@penoff.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
> 
> 
> It’s this car:
> 
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html
> 
> Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
> asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….
> 
> -D
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

CAN IT ROLL COAL???

--FT
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> On May 13, 2019, at 7:35 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 13, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No 
>> underhood photos?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 13, 2019 4:20 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
>> 
>> 
>> It’s this car:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html
>> 
>> Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
>> asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….
>> 
>> -D
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Mismatched paint for sure. The problem is that if you check it out for one or 
the 123 fake book people they probably won’t listen to what you have to say 
anyway. 

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> On May 13, 2019, at 6:35 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On May 13, 2019, at 7:03 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Mismatched paint? Numerous dings in the side? No passenger mirror? No 
>> underhood photos?
>> 
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 13, 2019 4:20 AM
>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Cc: d...@penoff.com
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh
>> 
>> 
>> It’s this car:
>> 
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6881323898.html
>> 
>> Lot of questions on this.The<http://this.The> first picture already has me 
>> asking questions. Look and you’ll see why….
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional pictures, 
explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, printable 
portfolio. 

Eh, make it $150

I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?

Rick



  Original Message  



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh


Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.

He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?

-D


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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I’m not lurking on that FB group. I’m involved with too many online forums as 
it is. I really despise FB, but there are a couple of groups I want to keep an 
eye on, so I belong to them and that’s it. Someone in the W123 group sent me a 
copy of the person’s “request for recommendation” looking for someone to check 
out a car in Tampa.

And yes, considering that time is money, I think $150 is a fair price for the 
level of detail and scrutiny I provide. We’ll see.

-D

> On May 13, 2019, at 10:36 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
> beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional 
> pictures, explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, 
> printable portfolio. 
> 
> Eh, make it $150
> 
> I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
> I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message  
> 
> 
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
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[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was. 

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> On May 13, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
> beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional 
> pictures, explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, 
> printable portfolio. 
> 
> Eh, make it $150
> 
> I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
> I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> 
>  Original Message  
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> 
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> 
> 
> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
> 
> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
> 
> -D
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I think there’s trash talk about some of the choices these clowns make. 

--FT
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> On May 13, 2019, at 1:08 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
> There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 13, 2019, at 9:36 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Why not? You can run the VIN and see what color it's supposed to be, 
>> beforehand. Have Kaleb run a Carfax. Hell, you could take additional 
>> pictures, explain all the nitpicking points, and make a very nice digital, 
>> printable portfolio. 
>> 
>> Eh, make it $150
>> 
>> I didn't realize that you were lurking on that FB group. It is entertaining, 
>> I'll say that. I wonder how many of those folks are lurking here?
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Original Message  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>> Sent: May 13, 2019 6:35 AM
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>> 
>> 
>> Exactly. And it’s “champagne “. I’ve never seen a 240D in that color.
>> 
>> He said he’ll pay to have someone check it out. I’m thinking $100?
>> 
>> -D
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. I think someone made some snide and snarky comments about one of the kids 
doing a burnout in a primer black 123 sedan, lowered, with chrome reverse rims 
and baby moon hubcaps. Oh, and an exhaust stack out the hood


Rick

Who won't be "rollin' coal" anytime soon.

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Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

There are enough clowns and assh*ts on BenzWorld to deal with without having to 
wade through the morons on FB.

-D

> On May 13, 2019, at 3:51 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I think someone made some snide and snarky comments about one of the 
> kids doing a burnout in a primer black 123 sedan, lowered, with chrome 
> reverse rims and baby moon hubcaps. Oh, and an exhaust stack out the hood
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> Who won't be "rollin' coal" anytime soon.
> 
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> 
> Was there some dust up about somebody talking smack over there that I missed? 
> There was some post from some kid admin that sounded like there was.
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Re: [MBZ] Uh Oh

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yeah. I see that. I am changing plugs and wires in the 210 soon and was doing a 
little research. Some guy on BW said on a thread I was reading "just change the 
bad plug wire, don't change them all. It's not a Ford or Chevy". WTF kind of 
advice is that? If I have it all apart, it's getting wires too.


Rick

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There are enough clowns and assh*ts on BenzWorld to deal with without having to 
wade through the morons on FB.

-D
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, BW is an excellent repository of information from the people who have 
taken the time to post things like photo DIYs of stuff, which is always a big 
help understanding what you’ve got to do in the repair process.

Otherwise, it’s not far from the W123 FB group in some cases from what’s been 
described.

-D


> On May 13, 2019, at 5:03 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yeah. I see that. I am changing plugs and wires in the 210 soon and was doing 
> a little research. Some guy on BW said on a thread I was reading "just change 
> the bad plug wire, don't change them all. It's not a Ford or Chevy". WTF kind 
> of advice is that? If I have it all apart, it's getting wires too.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
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> 
> 
> There are enough clowns and assh*ts on BenzWorld to deal with without having 
> to wade through the morons on FB.
> 
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Why are you standing around telling us about this?  You should be loading up 
the trailer and on your way over there…

-D


> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
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> 
> This is the maroon 300E that looked pretty nice:
> 
> Someone was supposed to come over the weekend and didn't. I bought new 
> battery and still isn't cranking so it's something more than just the 
> battery... I need to get it out of the apartment complex so if interested, 
> make me an offer and come get it
> 
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

He’s not home until 6!

--R
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Why are you standing around telling us about this?  You should be loading up 
> the trailer and on your way over there…
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is the maroon 300E that looked pretty nice:
>> 
>> Someone was supposed to come over the weekend and didn't. I bought new 
>> battery and still isn't cranking so it's something more than just the 
>> battery... I need to get it out of the apartment complex so if interested, 
>> make me an offer and come get it
>> 
>> --R
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it from a 
friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing maintenance. 

Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual process. 
Fuel issue?  Whaddaya y’all thinks?

Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before shifting 
up. 

I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait on him a 
bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the  Kleb number depending on what 
y’all think. 

--R
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Buggered Benzmail  
> wrote:
> 
> He’s not home until 6!
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Why are you standing around telling us about this?  You should be loading up 
>> the trailer and on your way over there…
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is the maroon 300E that looked pretty nice:
>>> 
>>> Someone was supposed to come over the weekend and didn't. I bought new 
>>> battery and still isn't cranking so it's something more than just the 
>>> battery... I need to get it out of the apartment complex so if interested, 
>>> make me an offer and come get it
>>> 
>>> --R
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 
That's the red gasser?

Offer $500, go to $550.
Rick
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah I’m thinking that. Give him a coupla days to stew on it. He told me he was 
proposing to his GF this weekend so she’ll probably be on him to get rid of it 
soon...

--R
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 8:13 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
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> 
> That's the red gasser?
> 
> Offer $500, go to $550.
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Do you think it really has high mileage?
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad 
fuel.   I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle 
position in ways similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a 
vergasser is a nasty proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank screens 
anytime.



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it 
from a friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing 
maintenance.


Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
process. Fuel issue? Whaddaya y’all thinks?


Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before 
shifting up.


I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait 
on him a bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the Kleb number 
depending on what y’all think.


--R


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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Yeah it showed about 350kmi but was really clean. 

I guess that’s right unless the cluster was changed or something

--FT
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
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> Do you think it really has high mileage?
> -- 
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[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget affecting 
either or both.  Filters make sense too  

I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...

--R
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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:50 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad fuel.   
> I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle position in ways 
> similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a vergasser is a nasty 
> proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank screens anytime.
> 
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
>> I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it from a 
>> friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing maintenance.
>> 
>> Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
>> process. Fuel issue? Whaddaya y’all thinks?
>> 
>> Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before shifting 
>> up.
>> 
>> I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait on him 
>> a bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the Kleb number depending on 
>> what y’all think.
>> 
>> --R
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah,  I had coils go out on M103 and M116 engines at least.  the thing 
that makes me think it could be fuel is that he said the transmission 
was shifting late.   that happens when the engine is starved for fuel.  
Take a plug along and see if it sparks while cranking.  if yes, then 
crack the fuel line (or an injector line) and see if it spurts fuel when 
cranked.


to git far in the hole, you need compression (air), far (spark at the 
right time) and fuel. (Benzin)

Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 10:01 PM
I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget 
affecting either or both. Filters make sense too


I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...

--R


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[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Better yet, take some starting fluid and give it a whiff -- if it fires, it's 
fuel.

And another weird thing that has happened to me:  We have mice like you 
wouldn't believe living in the middle of farm fields, and once I came home to 
find the station wagon off the drive in the woods.  Had visions of my mother 
confusing the gas and brake and having to make her quit driving, but she told 
me it lurched off on her when she tried to back up, quit, and wouldn't restart.

Took the air cleaner off the try the starting fluid trick (carb cleaner works 
too), and found that the breather had gotten dislodged and a mouse had dragged 
a pecan done into the clean side of the air filter and chewed it up.  The shell 
was in a couple pieces, and one fell into the throttle and another held the air 
meter flap half way down.  Picked them out and the car ran fine once I charged 
the batter back up.

Mom stepped on the gas to back up, the shell fell into the throttle so it took 
off, and then another bit flooded it out.

Life is always an adventure, eh?
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes/6538796119.html

OK, it is a 1991 300e.  I had forgotten what year it was, and if it was M103 or 
M104.  Had to go find the original post.

Engine wiring harness?  According to wikipedia, a 1991 is a M103.  Other than 
potentially a bad head gasket, the engine is pretty reliable.  But by 1991 the 
self destructing wiring harnesses may be a factor. Could be a bad engine 
harness or throttle body.  Coil could be bad. (As could be the HV wire from the 
coil to dist.) Fuel/filter could be bad.

http://www.mercedesdefects.com/2008/04/wire-harness-defect.html   Scary 
reading.  Makes me want to stick with 87 or older Diesels.  I know the wiring 
problems with the 93 E320 made me want to get rid of it.  It was a pretty green 
car, but after seeing the wiring harness to the throttle body with only dust 
for insulation, I just wanted it gone, down the road.   I've never been so 
happy to see a car leave!

If there are sparks jumping around, be careful with ether.  One good test 
before ethering is to crank it on a dark, foggy, wet night, and see if there 
are sparks jumping around under the hood.  I have seen some cars that look like 
a light show.  You don't want to spray ether in that environment.  On those, 
you start by changing the plug wires.




Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 10:38 PM
Better yet, take some starting fluid and give it a whiff -- if it 
fires, it's fuel.


And another weird thing that has happened to me: We have mice like you 
wouldn't believe living in the middle of farm fields, and once I came 
home to find the station wagon off the drive in the woods. Had visions 
of my mother confusing the gas and brake and having to make her quit 
driving, but she told me it lurched off on her when she tried to back 
up, quit, and wouldn't restart.


Took the air cleaner off the try the starting fluid trick (carb 
cleaner works too), and found that the breather had gotten dislodged 
and a mouse had dragged a pecan done into the clean side of the air 
filter and chewed it up. The shell was in a couple pieces, and one 
fell into the throttle and another held the air meter flap half way 
down. Picked them out and the car ran fine once I charged the batter 
back up.


Mom stepped on the gas to back up, the shell fell into the throttle so 
it took off, and then another bit flooded it out.


Life is always an adventure, eh?
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Curley McLain 
March 26, 2018 at 10:10 PM
yeah,  I had coils go out on M103 and M116 engines at least.  the 
thing that makes me think it could be fuel is that he said the 
transmission was shifting late.   that happens when the engine is 
starved for fuel.  Take a plug along and see if it sparks while 
cranking.  if yes, then crack the fuel line (or an injector line) and 
see if it spurts fuel when cranked.


to git far in the hole, you need compression (air), far (spark at the 
right time) and fuel. (Benzin)


Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 10:01 PM
I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget 
affecting either or both. Filters make sense too


I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...

--R
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Curley McLain 
March 26, 2018 at 9:50 PM
In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad 
fuel.   I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle 
position in ways similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a 
vergasser is a nasty proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank 
screens anytime.



Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it 
from a friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing 
maintenance.


Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
process. Fuel issue? Whaddaya y’all thinks?


Also said transmission wasn’t shifting right, would rev high before 
shifting up.


I offered him $300 he said $600 I said thank you for time. I’ll wait 
on him a bit. It’s a pretty nice car so I might go to the Kleb number 
depending on what y’all think.


--R
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Well he dropped the axing price to $810 so we’re headed in the right direction. 
By Friday before he heads off to propose to his honey he’ll be at $510

--R
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> On Mar 27, 2018, at 2:38 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1991-mercedes/6538796119.html
> 
> OK, it is a 1991 300e.  I had forgotten what year it was, and if it was M103 
> or M104.  Had to go find the original post.
> 
> Engine wiring harness?  According to wikipedia, a 1991 is a M103.  Other than 
> potentially a bad head gasket, the engine is pretty reliable.  But by 1991 
> the self destructing wiring harnesses may be a factor. Could be a bad engine 
> harness or throttle body.  Coil could be bad. (As could be the HV wire from 
> the coil to dist.) Fuel/filter could be bad.
> 
> http://www.mercedesdefects.com/2008/04/wire-harness-defect.html   Scary 
> reading.  Makes me want to stick with 87 or older Diesels.  I know the wiring 
> problems with the 93 E320 made me want to get rid of it.  It was a pretty 
> green car, but after seeing the wiring harness to the throttle body with only 
> dust for insulation, I just wanted it gone, down the road.   I've never been 
> so happy to see a car leave!
> 
> If there are sparks jumping around, be careful with ether.  One good test 
> before ethering is to crank it on a dark, foggy, wet night, and see if there 
> are sparks jumping around under the hood.  I have seen some cars that look 
> like a light show.  You don't want to spray ether in that environment.  On 
> those, you start by changing the plug wires.
> 
> 
> 
>> Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 10:38 PM
>> Better yet, take some starting fluid and give it a whiff -- if it fires, 
>> it's fuel.
>> 
>> And another weird thing that has happened to me: We have mice like you 
>> wouldn't believe living in the middle of farm fields, and once I came home 
>> to find the station wagon off the drive in the woods. Had visions of my 
>> mother confusing the gas and brake and having to make her quit driving, but 
>> she told me it lurched off on her when she tried to back up, quit, and 
>> wouldn't restart.
>> 
>> Took the air cleaner off the try the starting fluid trick (carb cleaner 
>> works too), and found that the breather had gotten dislodged and a mouse had 
>> dragged a pecan done into the clean side of the air filter and chewed it up. 
>> The shell was in a couple pieces, and one fell into the throttle and another 
>> held the air meter flap half way down. Picked them out and the car ran fine 
>> once I charged the batter back up.
>> 
>> Mom stepped on the gas to back up, the shell fell into the throttle so it 
>> took off, and then another bit flooded it out.
>> 
>> Life is always an adventure, eh?
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>> Curley McLain 
>> March 26, 2018 at 10:10 PM
>> yeah,  I had coils go out on M103 and M116 engines at least.  the thing that 
>> makes me think it could be fuel is that he said the transmission was 
>> shifting late.   that happens when the engine is starved for fuel.  Take a 
>> plug along and see if it sparks while cranking.  if yes, then crack the fuel 
>> line (or an injector line) and see if it spurts fuel when cranked.
>> 
>> to git far in the hole, you need compression (air), far (spark at the right 
>> time) and fuel. (Benzin)
>> 
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 10:01 PM
>> I was thinking it could be spark or fuel or some sensor or gadget affecting 
>> either or both. Filters make sense too
>> 
>> I’m starting to talk myself into s higher offer...
>> 
>> --R
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>> Curley McLain 
>> March 26, 2018 at 9:50 PM
>> In a diesel, those are classic symptoms of a plugged fuel filter/bad fuel.   
>> I am guessing the vergasser trans responds to the throttle position in ways 
>> similar to the Diesel  Changing fuel filters on a vergasser is a nasty 
>> proposition.  I'd rather change Diesel tank screens anytime.
>> 
>> 
>> Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>> March 26, 2018 at 6:00 PM
>> I took a look at this car. It’s in great shape. This kid bought it from a 
>> friend of his mother. Lot of parts in the trunk from ongoing maintenance.
>> 
>> Cranked fine but wouldn’t light off. He said it has been sorta gradual 
>> process. Fuel issue? Whaddaya y’all thinks?
>>

Re: [MBZ] Uh oh

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Had a coil going bad on the 560 SEL.  Hard to start, especially as winter
approached.  Would die at idle.

-- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - SOLVED

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Heres the criminal: 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/3BA492D3-4A28-435F-91BC-6D4429EED320-2530-035F6EC5_zps6ae428de.jpg

Its the power wire for the shutoff solenoid. A guy on the TDI list pointed out 
that a shutoff solenoid will look an awful lot like a dead short to a meter. So 
the first troubleshooting step was to send 12v directly to it. I did and that 
got the car started to turn it around in the driveway. Then start following the 
wires. Theres a junction block and this is just beyond it. One weather proof 
crimp later and we're back in business.

While I was there I found another wire I was hoping was the reason the reverse 
lights don't work. No love... I'll need to look into that, inspection is due 
next month.

-Curt


 From: Curt Raymond 
To: Meade Dillon ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
 


How about hooking it up to the laptop?

VCDS (the VW checking software) says its the shutoff solenoid, you can see the 
readout here: 
http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/VCDSreadout_zps79697737.png
 
The shutoff solenoid lives on the top of the IP and does what it says it does. 
Mine reads direct to ground with the wire removed, I'm going to say thats a bad 
one.
Genuine VW part from an online place is $150 plus delivery, we'll see what my 
local VW dealers say, I've got 2 to try since I have to be at work tomorrow.

Good thing I put a new exhaust pipe on the 190D (MB content) last weekend. The 
old one had split a couple inches away from where I'd last fixed it. If I kept 
at it much longer it'd be all repair...

-Curt



 From: Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
To: Mercedes ; Peter Frederick  
Sent: Monday, August 4, 2014 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Uh oh
 

Yep, start simple/easy/cheap and work toward complex/expensive.

Plugged fuel filter(s)?

All a diesel engine needs is air in, fuel, compression, and exhaust out.

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC


On Aug 4, 2014 6:35 PM, "Peter Frederick via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> Very likely it's either out of fuel or you have a badly leaking line.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - SOLVED

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I love success stories like that!


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:16 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Heres the criminal:
> http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/1998%20Jetta/3BA492D3-4A28-435F-91BC-6D4429EED320-2530-035F6EC5_zps6ae428de.jpg
>
> Its the power wire for the shutoff solenoid. A guy on the TDI list pointed
> out that a shutoff solenoid will look an awful lot like a dead short to a
> meter. So the first troubleshooting step was to send 12v directly to it. I
> did and that got the car started to turn it around in the driveway. Then
> start following the wires. Theres a junction block and this is just beyond
> it. One weather proof crimp later and we're back in business.
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - fuel leak

[Jim Cathey]

a fuel leak would fit the bill, air gets into the line while the 
engine is shut off right?

The leak is DEFINATELY from the area of the fuel cap...


Just 'cause you have a cap leak does _not_ mean you don't also
have another leak somewhere else!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Uh oh - fuel leak

[Marshall Booth]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Driving home last night I stopped at Home Depot and noticed the rear passenger 
side of the car behind the rear wheel was wet with fuel.
I thought that was odd but though it made the hard starting I've had recently 
make sense. The car doesn't actually start hard but it needs some throttle 
input for the first 30-40 seconds of running to keep running. I'd been passing 
that off with the cold but lately decided maybe the fuel filters needed 
changing. I figured a fuel leak would fit the bill, air gets into the line 
while the engine is shut off right?
Well I went out and checked it a few minutes ago because apparently as I left 
work last night I left a literal shower of fuel. At first I thought I'd forgot 
to put the fuel cap on when I filled up yesterday but its there.
The leak is DEFINATELY from the area of the fuel cap, the area under the filler 
door is wet with fuel, and theres a trail down the side of the car from the 
filler door.

I'm thinking to replace the fuel cap gasket but it looks okay... Of course the 
one on the oil cap looked okay last year when I replaced it, but it was leaking 
a river...


You need to insure that the vent line from the fuel tank is open and 
venting properly. When it clogs in cold weather, pressure can build up 
(as heated fuel is returned to the tank) sufficiently so that fuel is 
ejected from cap (although usually only when the tank is fairly full). 
The cap should vent at between 100-300 millibar (the vent line vents at 
a MUCH lower pressure - 30-50 millibar). In warmer weather, when the 
vent line clogs, a vacuum often builds in the tank and the engine may 
experience fuel starvation (especially on long drives) unless the cap is 
opened periodically.


Marshall
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