Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

hi Andrew!

no worries; thanks!


cheers!
e

On 05/Jan/15 06:23, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
My apologies for "Ernie"-ing you.  I should have known better, since I 
find it irksome when the occasional lister "Andies" me.


On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123.
but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang
thing to drive.


cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go:  God help you
should you get into an accident with your Cheep or your early
nineties camry tin can. I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via
Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota
i could count on you not being able to restrain your
hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show up before now!

for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so
far that was NLA for either of those vehicles from the
dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the J**p. and as you
pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great;
much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better
than for the W123.

it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the
thing that makes the difference for us is whether you can
still get parts for it or not while you're on the road.


regards,
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but
perhaps you missed the part where i said i want a
car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and
have no interest in locking myself into any car
just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it
running.

with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of
old, i'll certainly not be buying a new Mercedes
any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.

cheers!
e

Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA
car, and every european car and every indian and
african built car.   If you want reliable trans, ride
a bus or fly a airline seat.


Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep
dealer have?  How many parts for a 30 year old toada
does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess.  But
that does not mean that you can't get parts.

I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly
cheap and easy to keep running.  The MB mechanically
injected Diesel is inherently reliable.

You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we
will buy old MBs as long as we can find them and keep
them running.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Please do. I have the resources of a 20+ year Mercedes dealer parts guy whom I 
have yet to stump.  And he has no problem telling me to buy stuff elsewhere if 
it's equal and cheaper.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:37 PM, clay  wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  Next time the issue arises, you will be consulted
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> You need to find another dealer.
>> 
>> W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The 
>> only things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts like floor mats for 
>> the coupe.
>> 
>> Next time you run into this or even think you can't find something for a 
>> W140, let me know and I'll get a definitive answer from my dealer parts guy.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:18 AM, clay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them.  
>>> Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too.  It took a while for him to 
>>> track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory 
>>> according to Gary.  I think we paid $200 for both rotors
>>> 
>>> clay
>>> 
 On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
 
 Clay,
 
 I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC 
 and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers.  
 They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs.
 
 This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?
 
 Gimme a VIN.  I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB.
 
 Dan
 
 
 
> On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay  wrote:
> 
> It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE
> 
> The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then 
> fully standardized after 1994.
> 
> Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers.  The 93 has 
> upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 
> 94+
> 
> Early engine management and not OBD compliant
> 
> Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93  
> (expensive to learn that one)
> 
> Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up
> 
> A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the 
> w140.  I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were 
> resolved down the line.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

Thanks.  Next time the issue arises, you will be consulted

clay

On Jan 6, 2015, at 2:42 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> You need to find another dealer.
> 
> W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The 
> only things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts like floor mats for 
> the coupe.
> 
> Next time you run into this or even think you can't find something for a 
> W140, let me know and I'll get a definitive answer from my dealer parts guy.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:18 AM, clay  wrote:
>> 
>> We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them.  
>> Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too.  It took a while for him to 
>> track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory 
>> according to Gary.  I think we paid $200 for both rotors
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>> Clay,
>>> 
>>> I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC 
>>> and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers.  
>>> They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs.
>>> 
>>> This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?
>>> 
>>> Gimme a VIN.  I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB.
>>> 
>>> Dan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay  wrote:
 
 It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE
 
 The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then 
 fully standardized after 1994.
 
 Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers.  The 93 has 
 upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 
 94+
 
 Early engine management and not OBD compliant
 
 Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93  
 (expensive to learn that one)
 
 Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up
 
 A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the 
 w140.  I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved 
 down the line.
 
 
 clay 
 
 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

You need to find another dealer.

W140 parts, no matter how strange, are readily available through MBNA. The only 
things that are drying up are soft froo-froo parts like floor mats for the 
coupe.

Next time you run into this or even think you can't find something for a W140, 
let me know and I'll get a definitive answer from my dealer parts guy.

Dan

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:18 AM, clay  wrote:
> 
> We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them.  
> Calipers are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too.  It took a while for him to 
> track them down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory 
> according to Gary.  I think we paid $200 for both rotors
> 
> clay
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>> Clay,
>> 
>> I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC 
>> and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers.  
>> They’re a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs.
>> 
>> This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?
>> 
>> Gimme a VIN.  I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE
>>> 
>>> The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then 
>>> fully standardized after 1994.
>>> 
>>> Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers.  The 93 has 
>>> upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+
>>> 
>>> Early engine management and not OBD compliant
>>> 
>>> Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93  
>>> (expensive to learn that one)
>>> 
>>> Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up
>>> 
>>> A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the 
>>> w140.  I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved 
>>> down the line.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay 
>>> 
>>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

I loved the R series beemers.  A real bike

I have not gotten hands on a R129 at the PnP,. but did source both rotors and 
calipers from a '94 w140.  Not at all the same as what was on the car to begin 
with, which is why I got Gary involved in finding what was needed.

clay

On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

>> Clay,
>> 
>> I'm not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC 
>> and the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers.  
>> They're a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs.
>> 
>> This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?
>> 
>> Gimme a VIN.  I'll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
> 
> Sounds like Clay got ripped.  Whoever this "Sexy and fretful parts goddess," 
> is she'd better look good.  Telling him they were NLA and only could be found 
> in SA (ZA) is a scam.
> 
> Aside from that, knowing how MB works, they probably fit a R129 or some other 
> chassis also.   Brake rotors are not that unusual.
> 
> One of the things I loved was that BMW motorcycle cyl base gaskets and valve 
> cover gaskets from about 1950 to 1980 or later could be interchanged.  Much 
> of the technology changed around them, but parts were not changed just 
> because some enginerror could.  The converse is one of the reasons I hate 
> Micro$haft  Every year they break software that works and build something 
> that doesn't just because they can.
> 
> Basically, it it had overhead pushrods, the gaskets were the same. When they 
> turned the engine upside down, then things changed.  Even more so when they 
> decided to add extra cylinders and a water jacket. I still don't consider 
> those "real" BMWs.  A real BMW has 2 jugs and a shaft, and the jugs go in and 
> out at the same time.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

We tried that with the local dealer, and they could not source them.  Calipers 
are ok, Dr. fatty got the rotors too.  It took a while for him to track them 
down because EPC had the numbers, but they were not in inventory according to 
Gary.  I think we paid $200 for both rotors

clay

On Jan 5, 2015, at 4:46 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Clay,
> 
> I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and 
> the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers.  They’re a 
> 1404210312, $129/each for the discs.
> 
> This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?
> 
> Gimme a VIN.  I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay  wrote:
>> 
>> It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE
>> 
>> The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then 
>> fully standardized after 1994.
>> 
>> Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers.  The 93 has 
>> upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+
>> 
>> Early engine management and not OBD compliant
>> 
>> Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93  
>> (expensive to learn that one)
>> 
>> Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up
>> 
>> A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the 
>> w140.  I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved 
>> down the line.
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Clay,

I'm not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at 
the EPC and the discs are readily available for that car as are the 
calipers.  They're a 1404210312, $129/each for the discs.


This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?

Gimme a VIN.  I'll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB.

Dan



Sounds like Clay got ripped.  Whoever this "Sexy and fretful parts 
goddess," is she'd better look good.  Telling him they were NLA and 
only could be found in SA (ZA) is a scam.


Aside from that, knowing how MB works, they probably fit a R129 or 
some other chassis also.   Brake rotors are not that unusual.


One of the things I loved was that BMW motorcycle cyl base gaskets 
and valve cover gaskets from about 1950 to 1980 or later could be 
interchanged.  Much of the technology changed around them, but parts 
were not changed just because some enginerror could.  The converse is 
one of the reasons I hate Micro$haft  Every year they break software 
that works and build something that doesn't just because they can.


Basically, it it had overhead pushrods, the gaskets were the same. 
When they turned the engine upside down, then things changed.  Even 
more so when they decided to add extra cylinders and a water jacket. 
I still don't consider those "real" BMWs.  A real BMW has 2 jugs and 
a shaft, and the jugs go in and out at the same time.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Clay,

I’m not sure where you got your information, but I just looked at the EPC and 
the discs are readily available for that car as are the calipers.  They’re a 
1404210312, $129/each for the discs.

This is for the 300SE 3.2, chassis 140033/140042, correct?

Gimme a VIN.  I’ll bet the parts are available and in stock at MB.

Dan



> On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:26 PM, clay  wrote:
> 
> It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE
> 
> The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then 
> fully standardized after 1994.
> 
> Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers.  The 93 has 
> upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+
> 
> Early engine management and not OBD compliant
> 
> Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93  (expensive 
> to learn that one)
> 
> Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up
> 
> A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140. 
>  I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the 
> line.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 5, 2015 4:26 PM, "clay via Mercedes"  wrote:
>
> Early engine management and not OBD compliant
>

Yikes.  As a silver lining, I assume this means you have the early, hot rod
engine tune? That would explain the 15 mpg.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

It is the rare and quite retarded 1992 300SE

The car has a few quirks that were addressed in the 1993 edition and then fully 
standardized after 1994.

Brake rotors are special to this model, as are the calipers.  The 93 has 
upgraded braking parts (300 series) but not the same as the standardized 94+

Early engine management and not OBD compliant

Biodegradable wire harness that is not the same as used on the 93  (expensive 
to learn that one)

Single year transmission that is not compliant with others in the line up

A few other fiddly bits that were transition items from the w126 to the w140.  
I suspect this was also an early example, so problems were resolved down the 
line.


clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








On Jan 5, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

> Tell me more about this W140.  I was of the impression nearly all parts 
> across the W140 chassis are common, so I'm confused as to why these couldn't 
> be sourced from a dealer (or elsewhere?)
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:51 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, 
>> was able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets 
>> for the w140 300SE.  They were found in South Africa.  Seems Mandela had 
>> been hoarding them in some island prison.
>> 
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
>> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
>> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
>>>  as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find 
>>> (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get 
>>> parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed 
>>> unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested 
>>> in).
>>> 
>>>  don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed 
>>> nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.
>>> 
>>>  these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to 
>>> be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem 
>>> getting a fair price for it from someone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> cheers!
>>> e
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Tell me more about this W140.  I was of the impression nearly all parts across 
the W140 chassis are common, so I'm confused as to why these couldn't be 
sourced from a dealer (or elsewhere?)

Dan

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> On Jan 5, 2015, at 3:51 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was 
> able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for 
> the w140 300SE.  They were found in South Africa.  Seems Mandela had been 
> hoarding them in some island prison.
> 
> 
> clay 
> 
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>   as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find 
>> (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get 
>> parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed 
>> unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in).
>> 
>>   don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed 
>> nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.
>> 
>>   these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to 
>> be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem 
>> getting a fair price for it from someone.
>> 
>> 
>> cheers!
>> e
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

My wife's newphew and wife had a baby girl this past year.
They announced that her name was Magnolia.
I immediately thought, "Maggie" but NO - She has become "Nolly"

RB

On 05/01/2015 12:49 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

"Drew" is totally foreign to me.  Where I grew up it was assumed that all
Andrews were "Andy".  When I finally got out of college and went into grad
school, I reinvented myself as Andrew.

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Original Message
From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 8:23 AM
To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List
Reply To: Andrew Strasfogel
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140


My apologies for "Ernie"-ing you.  >I should have known better, since >I

find

it irksome when the occasional 
How about 'Drew?

Rick




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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

There used to be a great source right here in Seattle.  

Benz Friendz had both an indy location and a massive pair of warehouses filled 
to the rafters with rare and not so rare classic parts covering the past sixty 
years and more.  When the real estate market was bonkers, they got their lease 
yanked and had to liquidate fast.  I got a goodly amount of items I "really" 
needed.  Much of the inventory was forced to make a home at a land fill or sold 
to china to become steel

clay

On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Ernie,
> 
> Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts?  They have been
> pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have
> needed.  Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne;  mention my name and I get a free
> trip to Hawaii.  :)
> 
> SoCal Mercedes Parts
> 1436 N.Manzanita St.
> Orange, CA. 92867
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> On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find
>> (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get
>> parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed
>> unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested
>> in).
>> 
>>don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed
>> nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.
>> 
>>these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines
>> known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any
>> problem getting a fair price for it from someone.
>> 
>> 
>> cheers!
>> e
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed
 to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not
 "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they
 have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their
 doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof';
 the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually
 maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to
 where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over
 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any
 troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to
 replace it.
 
in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty
 and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all
 the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with
 over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting
 over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting
 parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.
 
 cheers!
 e
 
>>> 
>>> Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble
>>> buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.
>>> 
>>> 125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

Our Sexy and fretful parts goddess, the Great and Wonderful Wizard of FL, was 
able to scour the world to get one of the few remaining front disk sets for the 
w140 300SE.  They were found in South Africa.  Seems Mandela had been hoarding 
them in some island prison.


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
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On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote:

>as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find 
> (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get parts 
> we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed unless we 
> want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested in).
> 
>don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed 
> nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.
> 
>these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines known to 
> be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any problem 
> getting a fair price for it from someone.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

For many of my parts needs, the PnP is the only option.  And I have to be very 
specific about years.  A 107 or 116 prior to 1976 will supply many parts at a 
reasonable fee.

The fuel pump on Frosch died a few years ago.  Indy tried to hack together a 
pump system from a newer (available) K jet.  It was not good, and was replaced 
with one of the junk yard pumps I sourced.  We did find out that a Nissan fuel 
pump was a really close match, so now my indy can replace D-jet pumps with 
those.  

There are a number of NLA parts, and more coming, since even the Classic Center 
is unable to source much more than the high end collector car bits on bobs.


clay 

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On Jan 4, 2015, at 6:05 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote:

> cute, but sadly inaccurate.
> 
>ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go failures 
> including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 miles from 
> home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the tumbler that 
> disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys shop). not a big 
> deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that these (or any other 
> car) never break is just not true.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Perhaps a better descriptor  is the one offered by a tech at an indy 
>> Autohaus: "they don't break". 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

Just pretend you have one of the off color interiors and get it painted up.  
Frosch is a green on green. There is no way DBAG was going to pump out a bunch 
of green consoles and dashes for that r107.  The factory color is grey, but 
they paint/dye it to match the Tex on the doors.  Now that the only available  
consoles are black and have split off side carpet, I do not feel poorly about 
masking and doing a rattle can refurb


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On Jan 4, 2015, at 5:36 PM, astrasfogel--- via Mercedes wrote:

> 
> A replacement dash or console in any color besides black.
> --
> Sent from myMail app for Android
> Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
> :
> I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes < 
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> 
>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to 
>> replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
>> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
>> have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
>> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
>> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
>> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
>> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
>> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
>> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
>> replace it.
>> 
>> in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
>> has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
>> modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 
>> 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 
>> 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for 
>> either of those as we now do for the old W123.
>> 
>> 
>> cheers!
>> e
>> 
>> 
>>> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
>>> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
>>> happen to be.
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>>   mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>> 
 Amen.
 On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 wrote:
 
> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
 make
> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
> or variations in prices.
> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
 that
> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[clay via Mercedes]

The yards are no longer as flush with the old iron as they were around cash for 
junkers.  It seemed as if every 30+ year old, moss coated benz found is way to 
the PnP.  Now the 20 year old cars are making their way.  Some are crashed, 
others look to be inventory the fourth tier car lots could not turn over fast 
enough.  This is based on the paperwork living in the glove box showing the car 
registered to "el Nacho del Norte" car flogger

clay



On Jan 4, 2015, at 4:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes wrote:

> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to 
> replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have 
> so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
> replace it.
> 
>in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
> has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
> modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K 
> miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. 
> sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
> of those as we now do for the old W123.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
>> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
>> happen to be.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Amen.
>>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>>> make
 long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
 or variations in prices.
 Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>>> that
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[clay via Mercedes]

gas or diesel?

The 140 is a pig, so not good for heavy mileage.  The 300se sucks a gallon 
every 15 miles

The 124 is a very good platform for racking up miles, since it was well built 
and matched to a good engine.

A 210 would not be on my radar due to the very low build quality I have found 
while searching for a car to replace the E300.  The finish is on a par with a 
mid '90 civic.  Maybe one of the gussied up end of model examples?


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>   Original Message  
> From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
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> Reply To: ernest breakfield
> Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
>  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep 
>> running.
> 
> Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 
> 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 
> or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting 
> W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas 
> prices WILL be going back up...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[clay via Mercedes]

I am storing away all the niggling parts I can find for a R107.  The older 
stuff is very NLA, since it works for either the W115 or W116, which are not 
getting any more love.  Body panels are plentiful, the stuff to keep it 
running, not so much

clay

who still has boxes of /8 parts cluttering up the house

On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:50 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

> Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA.  Please SHARE
> the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my
> garage.
>  


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

"Drew" is totally foreign to me.  Where I grew up it was assumed that all
Andrews were "Andy".  When I finally got out of college and went into grad
school, I reinvented myself as Andrew.

On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Original Message
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> To: ernest breakfield; Mercedes Discussion List
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
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> >My apologies for "Ernie"-ing you.  >I should have known better, since >I
> find
> >it irksome when the occasional 
> How about 'Drew?
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

My apologies for "Ernie"-ing you.  I should have known better, since I find
it irksome when the occasional lister "Andies" me.



On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 11:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
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> agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123.
> but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing to
> drive.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
> On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go:  God help you should you
>> get into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can.
>> I'd much rather be in a w123 Mercedes.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count
>>> on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it
>>> didn't show up before now!
>>>
>>> for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was
>>> NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button
>>> for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been
>>> great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the
>>> W123.
>>>
>>> it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes
>>> the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not
>>> while you're on the road.
>>>
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> e
>>>
>>>
>>> On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>>
 Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the
> part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
> i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in
> locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping
> it running.
>
> with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly
> not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a 
> certainty.
>
> cheers!
> e
>
 Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every
 european car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable
 trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat.


 Or walk.




 How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many
 parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd
 guess.  But that does not mean that you can't get parts.

 I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy
 to keep running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently
 reliable.

 You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as
 long as we can find them and keep them running.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

agreed! one reason i wish i could still rely on the W123.
but that's going to be a non-issue if we can't get the dang thing 
to drive.



cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 20:35, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go:  God help you should you get 
into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much 
rather be in a w123 Mercedes.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 wrote:

there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on you 
not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it didn't show 
up before now!

for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for 
either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the 
J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; much 
as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123.

it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the 
difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while you're 
on the road.


regards,
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking 
myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running.

with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.

cheers!
e

Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european 
car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable trans, ride 
a bus or fly a airline seat.


Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many parts 
for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd guess.  But 
that does not mean that you can't get parts.

I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep 
running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.

You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as 
we can find them and keep them running.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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On 04/Jan/15 20:31, dseretakis--- via Mercedes wrote:

Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many 
other cars.


while that was one of the things that kept us with the brand, our 
experience has been that that's no longer the case.




  Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly impossible. Not 
so with Mercedes.


if you say so; it may be perhaps because of the condition of our 
cars and the condition we keep them in, but i don't recall ever looking 
for interior parts for any car. (i could probably use a First Aid Kit 
door for the W123, but i haven't looked for one yet; that's a recent 
failure, and we've had other issues to deal with.)




Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car 
parts. Honda is one example.


i've no experience with Hondas, but haven't found that to be the 
case with the Mazdas and Toyotas in the family.




So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for 
years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts 
aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk.


if our experience in acquiring new parts were what it used to be 
like, i might agree with you regarding how easy it would be to keep 
these running. but as i've said, i've no interest in hoping i can hunt 
down and find whatever part i might need next time something fails on 
the road, new, let alone used. if that's someone else's idea of fun, 
that's great for them, but i'm not interested.



cheers!
e



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On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:


Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking 
myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running.

with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.

cheers!
e

Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european 
car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable trans, ride 
a bus or fly a airline seat.


Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many parts 
for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have?  Not many, I'd guess.  But 
that does not mean that you can't get parts.

I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep 
running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.

You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long as 
we can find them and keep them running.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

'Head, Curly, whoever you are now,... you seem to be misunderstanding so 
much that i can only hope it's intentional. i'll readdress the points 
you seem to have missed again below one last time for you.


as i said in the very text you quoted below, 12 years ago after i ran 
some B100 through it, i didn't need a Fuel Sender for a while.
i didn't say that was a reason to dump the car. i pointed out the 
lack of the availability of the Fuel Sender as an example of a simple 
item that was no longer supported like what MBZ parts used to be.


also, as i already said in text you quoted below, i did try to fix 
it. obviously, had it been repairable, i wouldn't have needed another one.



regards,
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:12, Curly McLain wrote:

it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.

the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years 
ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting 
to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of 
the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and 
went through it without positive result.


12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available.

If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly seems 
a defensible reason to dump the car now.  Why not just fix it?


If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got 
the car>





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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Well, I guess I can't resist either. Here I go:  God help you should you get 
into an accident with your Cheep or your early nineties camry tin can. I'd much 
rather be in a w123 Mercedes.

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:26 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count on 
> you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised it 
> didn't show up before now!
> 
>for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was NLA for 
> either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch button for the 
> J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for them has been great; 
> much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much better than for the W123.
> 
>it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes the 
> difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not while 
> you're on the road.
> 
> 
> regards,
> e
> 
> 
> On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
>>> where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
>>>i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in 
>>> locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping 
>>> it running.
>>> 
>>>with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
>>> buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.
>>> 
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>> 
>> Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every 
>> european car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable 
>> trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat.
>> 
>> 
>> Or walk.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many 
>> parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not many, I'd 
>> guess.  But that does not mean that you can't get parts.
>> 
>> I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to 
>> keep running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.
>> 
>> You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long 
>> as we can find them and keep them running.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Yes and furthermore, Mercedes has a much better parts availability than many 
other cars. Finding OE interior parts on many ten year old cars is nearly 
impossible. Not so with Mercedes.

Asian cars parts are also quite pricey, more so than quality European car 
parts. Honda is one example.

So many w123s were built that a steady supply of used parts will be around for 
years to come and with the above mentioned relative ease of Mercedes new parts 
aquisition, holding on to a w123 diesel should be a cakewalk.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2015, at 11:09 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

>> Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the part 
>> where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
>>i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in locking 
>> myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of keeping it running.
>> 
>>with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly not be 
>> buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.
>> 
>> cheers!
>> e
> 
> Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every european 
> car and every indian and african built car.   If you want reliable trans, 
> ride a bus or fly a airline seat.
> 
> 
> Or walk.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How many parts 
> for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have?  Not many, I'd guess.  
> But that does not mean that you can't get parts.
> 
> I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy to keep 
> running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently reliable.
> 
> You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as long 
> as we can find them and keep them running.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

there it is! i knew as soon i mentioned the J**p or Toyota i could count 
on you not being able to restrain your hard-on for those; i'm surprised 
it didn't show up before now!


for what it's worth, we've only run into one part so far that was 
NLA for either of those vehicles from the dealer; a rear hatch latch 
button for the J**p. and as you pointed out, aftermarket support for 
them has been great; much as i'd hope otherwise, we've found it much 
better than for the W123.


it's not news that any vehicle can/will break. the thing that makes 
the difference for us is whether you can still get parts for it or not 
while you're on the road.



regards,
e


On 04/Jan/15 20:09, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed 
the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in 
locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of 
keeping it running.


with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly 
not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a 
certainty.


cheers!
e


Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every 
european car and every indian and african built car.   If you want 
reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat.



Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How 
many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have? Not 
many, I'd guess.  But that does not mean that you can't get parts.


I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy 
to keep running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently 
reliable.


You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs as 
long as we can find them and keep them running.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.

the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 
years ago, and actually started working better for a while after 
starting to use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did 
for most of the next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning 
process, and went through it without positive result.


12 years ago, I am sure the fuel sender was available.

If you ran it without a working sender for 10 years, that hardly 
seems a defensible reason to dump the car now.  Why not just fix it?


If it was such a problem, why didn't you buy a new one when you got the car>

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed 
the part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest 
in locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of 
keeping it running.


with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll 
certainly not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made 
that a certainty.


cheers!
e


Cheeps break too, as do every asian car, and every NA car, and every 
european car and every indian and african built car.   If you want 
reliable trans, ride a bus or fly a airline seat.



Or walk.




How many parts for 30 year old cheeps does cheep dealer have?  How 
many parts for a 30 year old toada does the toada dealer have?  Not 
many, I'd guess.  But that does not mean that you can't get parts.


I don't consider my cars a hobby.  But they are fairly cheap and easy 
to keep running.  The MB mechanically injected Diesel is inherently 
reliable.


You can buy what you want.  As for me and mine, we will buy old MBs 
as long as we can find them and keep them running.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[WILTON via Mercedes]

"Porcupine" reminds me:  During a summer maybe 10 years ago, I needed a 
porcupine for my '91 350SDL; 'had it on order and en route, but I needed to 
drive the car on round trip to Williamsburg, VA.  I used a two-pole toggle 
switch to operate the blower for the trip.


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Curly McLain via Mercedes" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140


>not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your 
>mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic 
>Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't 
>get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer 
are realities that i find sad.


cheers!
e


Cathey is a verb.

Fred is a list member.

MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts than 
MB.  I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years.


If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it.

1.  Fix the old one
2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker)
3.  Buy a new one from an OEM
4.  Buy a new one from Uro
5.  Adapt one from something else
6.  Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire and 
parts on hand.

7.  Bosch parts are available from Bosch

In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity.

I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total.

The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch.  That is how the 
heater is running now.  My next alternative was the resistor unit for my 
old dogde van.  I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition switch 
to have 5 heater speeds.   A sub-$1000 car is not worth spending $600 to 
have a heater.  Not having a heater/defrost is not an option  in subzero 
weather.


These are examples of Catheyesque repairs.

Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, yet 
parts are readily available.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

it appears you've (perhaps intentionally) missed the points.

the Fuel Sender was failing when i first got the vehicle 12 years 
ago, and actually started working better for a while after starting to 
use B100. using the Trip meter was exactly what i did for most of the 
next decade or so. i am fully aware of the cleaning process, and went 
through it without positive result.


the commercially produced BioD we've been using has not been 
attributable to any problem we've had to date. we're not all talking 
about some homebrew crap, or throwing WVO in the tank.


as i said up front; i want a dependable and maintainable vehicle, 
and am not interested in maintaining one as a hobby. we use our cars for 
far to much to hope for the chance to find used parts when/where we need 
them.


we're clearly not interested in maintaining a vehicle at the same 
level.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 17:50, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.
when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good 
sign.


cheers!
e


You said "as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to 
their doorstep and sign them over to them"


If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an 
amp.


There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean 
and repair fuel senders.


Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be 
gunked up.


Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years.   Just fill 
it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can 
tell how far you have gone.   (or use an iphone to track miles.)


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

Cathey, Fred, whatever,.. that's all great, but perhaps you missed the 
part where i said i want a car, not a hobby..?
i want a car for the utility it provides, and have no interest in 
locking myself into any car just for the sake of the challenge of 
keeping it running.


with Mercedes no longer being the Mercedes of old, i'll certainly 
not be buying a new Mercedes any time soon; MBUSA has made that a certainty.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 18:33, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, 
your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the 
Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something they 
couldn't get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the 
manufacturer are realities that i find sad.


cheers!
e


Cathey is a verb.

Fred is a list member.

MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts 
than MB.  I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years.


If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it.

1.  Fix the old one
2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker)
3.  Buy a new one from an OEM
4.  Buy a new one from Uro
5.  Adapt one from something else
6.  Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, wire 
and parts on hand.

7.  Bosch parts are available from Bosch

In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity.

I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total.

The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch.  That is how the 
heater is running now.  My next alternative was the resistor unit for 
my old dogde van.  I figured I could wire that in with a multiposition 
switch to have 5 heater speeds.   A sub-$1000 car is not worth 
spending $600 to have a heater.  Not having a heater/defrost is not an 
option  in subzero weather.


These are examples of Catheyesque repairs.

Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for decades, 
yet parts are readily available.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

no "Ernie" here, but i have used So Cal Mercedes, at the recommendation 
of the Classic Center. that's been the only way i've been able to keep 
mine running in proper trim, but they've only had used parts for the 
things i've found NLA elsewhere.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 18:59, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

Ernie,

Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts? They have 
been pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts 
I have needed.  Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne; mention my name and I get 
a free trip to Hawaii.  :)


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Orange, CA. 92867
www.socalmercedesparts.com 
Phone  714.221.0672
Fax  714.628.0818
Toll Free  888.664.6602

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we
could find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't
been able to get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA,
we're pretty much screwed unless we want to chase used stuff
(which isn't something i'm interested in).

don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is
indeed nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.

these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and
mines known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i
shouldn't have any problem getting a fair price for it from someone.


cheers!
e




On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of
parts we've needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply
that these cars are definitely not "bulletproof", as does
the fact that there are local junkyards that they have so
many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them
to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used
to be that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable
while running B100, but the parts availability has changed
to where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because
we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost
exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far
more severe duty and has more miles on it and has been
cheaper to keep (even including all the modifications)
than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over
325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while
still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere
near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as
we now do for the old W123.

cheers!
e


Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had
no trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.

125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off
your hands.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ernie,

Have you tried SO CAL Mercedes for any of these NLA parts?  They have been
pretty reliable for some of the rare CA version W123 turbo parts I have
needed.  Ask for Pete or Matt Bourne;  mention my name and I get a free
trip to Hawaii.  :)

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Orange, CA. 92867
www.socalmercedesparts.com
Phone  714.221.0672
Fax  714.628.0818
Toll Free  888.664.6602

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 9:24 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could find
> (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to get
> parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much screwed
> unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm interested
> in).
>
> don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed
> nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.
>
> these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines
> known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any
> problem getting a fair price for it from someone.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>
>
> On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed
>>> to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not
>>> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they
>>> have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their
>>> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof';
>>> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually
>>> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to
>>> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over
>>> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any
>>> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to
>>> replace it.
>>>
>>> in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty
>>> and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all
>>> the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with
>>> over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting
>>> over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting
>>> parts for either of those as we now do for the old W123.
>>>
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>>
>>
>> Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no trouble
>> buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.
>>
>> 125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, 
your mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the 
Classic Center recommended last time i was looking for something 
they couldn't get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the 
manufacturer are realities that i find sad.


cheers!
e


Cathey is a verb.

Fred is a list member.

MB is no longer the MB of old. But there are more sources of parts 
than MB.  I've bought few parts from MB in the past 15 years.


If a part is NLA, there are ways to fix it.

1.  Fix the old one
2. Buy a used one from a junkyard (or keep your own junker)
3.  Buy a new one from an OEM
4.  Buy a new one from Uro
5.  Adapt one from something else
6.  Make a Catheyesque repair using old microwave ovens, shoogoo, 
wire and parts on hand.

7.  Bosch parts are available from Bosch

In short, there is a way, if you have the will and some creativity.

I just got a $600 porcupine and a aux fan for the SDL for $75 total.

The alternative to the $600 porcupine is a $5 switch.  That is how 
the heater is running now.  My next alternative was the resistor unit 
for my old dogde van.  I figured I could wire that in with a 
multiposition switch to have 5 heater speeds.   A sub-$1000 car is 
not worth spending $600 to have a heater.  Not having a 
heater/defrost is not an option  in subzero weather.


These are examples of Catheyesque repairs.

Chevrolette has not sold parts for 55,56, 57 chevrolettes for 
decades, yet parts are readily available.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

True, but some vinyl dye can change that.
I would be quite surprised if a replacement dash could be bought for a 1990 
Camry. 

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> On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:36 PM, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> A replacement dash or console in any color besides black.
> 
> --
> Sent from myMail app for Android
> 
> Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
> :
> 
> I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes < 
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >
> > people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed 
> > to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
> > "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
> > have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
> > doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
> > the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
> > maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
> > where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
> > 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
> > troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
> > replace it.
> >
> >in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
> > has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
> > modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 
> > 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 
> > 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts 
> > for either of those as we now do for the old W123.
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> >
> >> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> >> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> >> happen to be.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> >>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >>
> >>> Amen.
> >>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
> >>> make
>  long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>  or variations in prices.
>  Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
> >>> that
>  it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

as i said, in multiple cases now, after trying everyone we could 
find (including Q and crew), even the Classic Center hasn't been able to 
get parts we've needed. if they show parts as NLA, we're pretty much 
screwed unless we want to chase used stuff (which isn't something i'm 
interested in).


don't know where you got that number from, but 125K miles is indeed 
nothing; we've got almost twice that on ours.


these things are still unreasonably popular in my area, and mines 
known to be one of the prettiest ones in the area; i shouldn't have any 
problem getting a fair price for it from someone.



cheers!
e



On 04/Jan/15 17:41, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. 
they definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be 
that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running 
B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not even 
any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on 
our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles 
related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
replace it.


in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's 
Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to 
shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere 
near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do 
for the old W123.


cheers!
e


Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no 
trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.


125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

not sure who "Fred" is, but if you can *make* parts that are NLA, your 
mileage may vary indeed! (making parts is actually what the Classic 
Center recommended last time i was looking for something they couldn't get.)


now sure what 'conclusions' you're referring to, but that things 
break and parts are becoming no longer available from the manufacturer 
are realities that i find sad.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 17:37, Dwight Giles wrote:


By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use 
Fred's phrase,   YMMV.


On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, "ernest breakfield via Mercedes" 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i
have higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.

i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point
that that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going
NLA.

i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking
for a 123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one
over 10 years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect
condition as possible, and it's always been our first choice for
thousand-mile weekends (as long as they were completely paved),
and even did one just over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite
like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in
pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers
smiling as we blow by them.
ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost
no rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn
signal (from an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^
), the ACC works and Speed Control even still works eventually
after a few tries. working windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere,
but the paint is starting to show signs of being tired on the roof
and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even and it's the
only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in the
dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so
hard to have to consider letting it go!


cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote:

"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do
for the old
W123."
Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years
older and considering their cost when new much less common...

I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean
"maintainable". The real killer for me on 123 cars is the
inability to find one that isn't all rusted out. Most of the
cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters
that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist
in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors
and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking
windows/sunroof and failed ACC.

Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring
to the shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those
were reliable..." Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles
in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home
from, one I could have driven home from with a little more
knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds
pretty good to me.


-Curt

Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...


*From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
*To:* Mercedes Discussion List mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>; Dwight Giles
mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com>>
*Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are
local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to
them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to
be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running
B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even
any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our
300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
   

Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

cute, but sadly inaccurate.

ignoring the parts we've already discussed, we've had no-go 
failures including (but not limited to) broken accelerator linkage (350 
miles from home, natch) and an ignition switch assembly behind the 
tumbler that disintegrated (fortunately, directly outside a local indys 
shop). not a big deal *if* parts were still available, but the idea that 
these (or any other car) never break is just not true.



cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 17:34, astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote:



Perhaps a better descriptor  is the one offered by a tech at an indy 
Autohaus: "they don't break".

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Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
:


"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for 
either of those as we now do for the old
W123."Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years 
older and considering their cost when new much less common...
I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". 
The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that 
isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the 
level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple 
on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible 
interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking 
windows/sunroof and failed ACC.
Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the 
shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were 
reliable..." Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with 
only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have 
driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper 
wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.


-Curt
Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 To: Mercedes Discussion List < mercedes@okiebenz.com >; Dwight Giles 
< dwight.gi...@gmail.com >

 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123.

cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < 
mercedes@okiebenz.com >

>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current 
aberration

>>> or variations in prices.
>>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>> that
>>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. 
they definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be 
that they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running 
B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not 
even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles 
on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to 
get to replace it.


in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's 
Toyota Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to 
shame while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere 
near as much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do 
for the old W123.


cheers!
e


Dunno where you look for parts, but even without Q, I have had no 
trouble buying parts as needed for 123, 124 or 126.


125k miles is nothing.   Give me $500 and I'll take it off your hands.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curly McLain via Mercedes]

most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.

when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign.

cheers!
e


You said "as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to 
their doorstep and sign them over to them"


If 123s are so common in junkyards, then go pull a fuel sender and an amp.

There are many good instructions in the internet about how to clean 
and repair fuel senders.


Had you kept the bugs out of your B100, your sender would not be gunked up.

Even without a fuel sender, I can drive a 123 for years.   Just fill 
it at regular intervals, and if need be, fix the odometer so you can 
tell how far you have gone.   (or use an iphone to track miles.)


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

By way of disagreeing with some of your 123 conclusions, i have to use
Fred's phrase,   YMMV.
On Jan 4, 2015 8:06 PM, "ernest breakfield via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have
> higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.
>
> i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that that
> *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA.
>
> i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 123
> that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 years ago.
> we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as possible, and it's
> always been our first choice for thousand-mile weekends (as long as they
> were completely paved), and even did one just over the Christmas holiday.
> nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up both sides doing over 70 MPH in
> pretty old diesel car; you can practically hear the old truckers smiling as
> we blow by them.
> ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no
> rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from an
> a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and Speed
> Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working windows and
> sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to show signs of
> being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm still works even
> and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that doesn't have any cracks in
> the dash; it's because it's in such nice condition that it makes it so hard
> to have to consider letting it go!
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
> On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote:
>
>> "sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
>> much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
>> W123."
>> Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and
>> considering their cost when new much less common...
>>
>> I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". The
>> real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all
>> rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real
>> beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in
>> the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of
>> neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC.
>>
>> Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the
>> shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were reliable..." Its
>> a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns.
>> One I was able to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a
>> little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds
>> pretty good to me.
>>
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>> Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
>>
>> 
>> *From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>> *To:* Mercedes Discussion List ; Dwight Giles <
>> dwight.gi...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
>>
>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
>> needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
>> definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
>> junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
>> unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
>> definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
>> they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
>> the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
>> the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
>> almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
>> fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.
>>
>> in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
>> duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
>> including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
>> Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
>> while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
>> much trouble getting parts fo

Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[astrasfogel--- via Mercedes]

A replacement dash or console in any color besides black.
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Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:43PM -0500 from dseretakis--- via Mercedes 
:
I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes < 
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to 
> replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have 
> so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
> replace it.
>
>    in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
>has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
>modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K 
>miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. 
>sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
>of those as we now do for the old W123.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
>> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
>> happen to be.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>>> Amen.
>>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>>> make
 long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
 or variations in prices.
 Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>>> that
 it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[astrasfogel--- via Mercedes]

Perhaps a better descriptor  is the one offered by a tech at an indy Autohaus: 
"they don't break".
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Sunday, 04 January 2015, 07:39PM -0500 from Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
:
"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
of those as we now do for the old 
W123."Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and 
considering their cost when new much less common...
I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". The real 
killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted 
out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters 
that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 
range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like 
rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. 
Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff 
solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were reliable..." Its a 16 year 
old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able 
to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more 
knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.
-Curt
Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
 To: Mercedes Discussion List < mercedes@okiebenz.com >; Dwight Giles < 
dwight.gi...@gmail.com >
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
   
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.
    in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123.
cheers!
e
On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>>> or variations in prices.
>>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>> that
>>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Well that is a bit disconcerting. I will still find a way! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:52 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
> something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.
>when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
>> On 04/Jan/15 16:43, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to 
>> find?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed 
>>> to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
>>> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they 
>>> have so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
>>> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
>>> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
>>> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
>>> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
>>> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
>>> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
>>> replace it.
>>> 
>>>in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
>>> has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
>>> modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 
>>> 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 
>>> 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts 
>>> for either of those as we now do for the old W123.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> cheers!
>>> e
>>> 
>>> 
 On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
 The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
 bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
 happen to be.
 
 On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> Amen.
> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
> make
>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>> or variations in prices.
>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
> that
>> it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

The only consolation we have with our rusty cars is that the dashes rarely 
crack, or rarely crack badly. My '84 190D has a few cracks which I attribute to 
it having some southern heritage...
-Curt
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
   
considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have 
higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.

    i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that 
that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA.

    i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 
123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 
years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as 
possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile 
weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just 
over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up 
both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can 
practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them.
    ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no 
rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from 
an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and 
Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working 
windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to 
show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm 
still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that 
doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice 
condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go!


cheers!
e

  
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

considering the cost of the 3 cars i was referring to when new, i have 
higher expectations for the MBZ than either a J**p or a Corolla.


i'm with you on maintainable; i was trying to make the point that 
that *was* true, but is no longer the case if parts are going NLA.


i'm not into clapped-out cars; spent almost 6 months looking for a 
123 that was up to our standards when i bought our last one over 10 
years ago. we've tried to keep it in as near-perfect condition as 
possible, and it's always been our first choice for thousand-mile 
weekends (as long as they were completely paved), and even did one just 
over the Christmas holiday. nothing quite like ripping the Grapevine up 
both sides doing over 70 MPH in pretty old diesel car; you can 
practically hear the old truckers smiling as we blow by them.
ours has no rust (lifetime California car), all trim, almost no 
rips/tears/stains inside, only one ding near the front turn signal (from 
an a**hole that didn't know how to change lanes 8-^ ), the ACC works and 
Speed Control even still works eventually after a few tries. working 
windows and sunroof, no leaks anywhere, but the paint is starting to 
show signs of being tired on the roof and trunk. heck, the factory alarm 
still works even and it's the only 123 i've seen for a while that 
doesn't have any cracks in the dash; it's because it's in such nice 
condition that it makes it so hard to have to consider letting it go!



cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 16:39, Curt Raymond wrote:

"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123."
Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older 
and considering their cost when new much less common...


I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". 
The real killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that 
isn't all rusted out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the 
level of real beaters that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple 
on Craigslist in the $2500 range with no exterior trim, terrible 
interiors and many signs of neglect like rust, failed paint, leaking 
windows/sunroof and failed ACC.


Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the 
shutoff solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were 
reliable..." Its a 16 year old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with 
only 3 breakdowns. One I was able to drive home from, one I could have 
driven home from with a little more knowledge and 2 feet of jumper 
wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.



-Curt

Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...


*From:* ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
*To:* Mercedes Discussion List ; Dwight Giles 


*Sent:* Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
*Subject:* Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old
W123.


cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>

>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current 
aberration

>&g

Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

most recently, something as critical as a Vacuum Amplifier, and even 
something as simple as a Fuel Gauge Sender Unit.

when even the Classic Center can't provide these, it's not a good sign.


cheers!
e

On 04/Jan/15 16:43, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote:

I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 wrote:

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to replace on our 
MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not "bulletproof", as does the 
fact that there are local junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not 
"bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to where that's not 
even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running 
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what 
we're going to get to replace it.

in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K 
miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. 
sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either of 
those as we now do for the old W123.


cheers!
e



On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
happen to be.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:


The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not

make

long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and

that

it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

I've never had problems getting parts for a w123. What parts are hard to find?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 4, 2015, at 7:29 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've needed to 
> replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are definitely not 
> "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local junkyards that they have 
> so many of them that they won't take them unless you tow them to their 
> doorstep and sign them over to them. they definitely are not "bulletproof'; 
> the appeal (to us) used to be that they were reliable and perpetually 
> maintainable while running B100, but the parts availability has changed to 
> where that's not even any longer the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 
> 125,000 miles on our 300D running almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any 
> troubles related to the fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to 
> replace it.
> 
>in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe duty and 
> has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even including all the 
> modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota Corolla with over 325K 
> miles on it that puts both of those to shame while still getting over 30MPG. 
> sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
> of those as we now do for the old W123.
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
>> On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
>> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
>> happen to be.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Amen.
>>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>>> make
 long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
 or variations in prices.
 Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>>> that
 it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

"sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as much trouble getting parts for either 
of those as we now do for the old 
W123."Not really a fair comparison, the newest 123 cars are 5+ years older and 
considering their cost when new much less common...
I think when most people say "bulletproof" they mean "maintainable". The real 
killer for me on 123 cars is the inability to find one that isn't all rusted 
out. Most of the cheap ones now have descended to the level of real beaters 
that even I don't want to tackle. I saw a couple on Craigslist in the $2500 
range with no exterior trim, terrible interiors and many signs of neglect like 
rust, failed paint, leaking windows/sunroof and failed ACC. 
Last summer when my Jetta quit on the highway (failed wiring to the shutoff 
solenoid) a friend said "Geez I thought those were reliable..." Its a 16 year 
old car I drove 20,000 miles in a year with only 3 breakdowns. One I was able 
to drive home from, one I could have driven home from with a little more 
knowledge and 2 feet of jumper wire that I now carry. Sounds pretty good to me.

-Curt
Of course the Jetta is down right now awaiting a new radiator...
  From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List ; Dwight Giles 
 
 Sent: Sunday, January 4, 2015 7:29 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140
   
people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they 
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that 
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but 
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer 
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running 
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the 
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.

    in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota 
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame 
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as 
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old 
W123.


cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
> bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
> happen to be.
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
>> make
>>> long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
>>> or variations in prices.
>>> Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and
>> that
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

people seem to love to say this; but the long lists of parts we've 
needed to replace on our MBZs seems to imply that these cars are 
definitely not "bulletproof", as does the fact that there are local 
junkyards that they have so many of them that they won't take them 
unless you tow them to their doorstep and sign them over to them. they 
definitely are not "bulletproof'; the appeal (to us) used to be that 
they were reliable and perpetually maintainable while running B100, but 
the parts availability has changed to where that's not even any longer 
the case. sad, because we enjoyed over 125,000 miles on our 300D running 
almost exclusively BioDiesel (without any troubles related to the 
fuels), and don't know what we're going to get to replace it.


in fact, we have a 20 year old J**p that's done far more severe 
duty and has more miles on it and has been cheaper to keep (even 
including all the modifications) than our MBZs, and an early 90's Toyota 
Corolla with over 325K miles on it that puts both of those to shame 
while still getting over 30MPG. sadly, we haven't had anywhere near as 
much trouble getting parts for either of those as we now do for the old 
W123.



cheers!
e


On 04/Jan/15 13:55, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
happen to be.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
wrote:


The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not

make

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or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and

that

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The main joy in driving Mercedes diesels is that these cars are
bulletproof, which is something to enjoy regardless of where fuel prices
happen to be.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Amen.
> On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>
> > The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not
> make
> > long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
> > or variations in prices.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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Amen.
On Jan 3, 2015 11:23 PM, "OK Don via Mercedes" 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The fuel prices will continue to flip around for years to come. Do not make
long term plans, or regret past decisions based on the current aberration
or variations in prices.
Enjoy the Diesel engine for the technical master piece that it is, and that
it is not the same as every other engine on the street.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

That's what i hope to find in a couple years. Meanwhile My 124 2.5t runs
like new & gets 29mpg.
On Jan 3, 2015 7:31 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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> The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable
> than the v6 blue tec
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
> >
> > I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
> > was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like
> the
> > car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
> > will be a while before I get to feel clever again.
> >
> > On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
> > should put more air in the tires.
> >
> > Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[ernest breakfield via Mercedes]

yeah, that worked for me on the Fuel Sender unit (eventually), but "i 
hope Andrew has it in his garage!" isn't a long-term strategy for me for 
a vehicle i need in regular use.;-)



cheers!
e


On 03/Jan/15 12:50, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA.  Please SHARE
the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my
garage.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for
any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <

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agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little

parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel
MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running
trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.

we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep

running.

we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to

rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.

are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?


cheers!
e



On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to

say this isn't a nice W123.

W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140,

either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my
living room while I drive

Dan



On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <

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Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.

Jaime


On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <

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wrote:


I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the

350SDL

with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by

procrastinating

coupla days too long.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "Jon Agne via Mercedes" <
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To: "Meade Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion

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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day


I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a

subscriber

to this list.


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I'll bet he gets his price, and further it won't be a subscriber of

this

list...

Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 3, 2015 6:45 PM, "fmiser via Mercedes"  wrote:
>
>
> Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel?
>
> For me it's not.  I choose diesel engines for a lot of other
> reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of
> the lesser benefits.
>

Modern diesels have a different set of benefits than the older stuff. They
aren't anywhere near as simple. They won't run without electricity or
survive an EMP. You can't fix them with golf tees or pour cooking oil in
the tank as a party trick. They aren't drop dead reliable compared to their
contemporaries, as compared to, say, a W123 vs something with D-jet and a
distributor. They will not serve as taxis in Senegal thirty years from now.

The new stuff is all about efficiency, range, and torque. Torque is proof
that God loves us and wants us to be happy.  I also appreciate the unique
technical aspects compared to every other silver E class out there. It is
still less expensive to operate than a gas E320 and I really like the car
so I'm not complaining, but the advantage is smaller than it was a few
months ago.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I had one of those engines in my GL and did not have problems I was told by a 
reliable mb guy they are disposable. They are not built as well as the old 
straight 6

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> On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:48 PM, Tom Savage  wrote:
> 
> Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that 
> didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history.  The Bluetec only had 
> 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer.
> 
> The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable.
> 
> Tom
> 
> On Jan 3, 2015 6:31 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable 
> > than the v6 blue tec
> >
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

Yeah but they have those goofy brakes and besides, I couldn't find any that
didn't have a zillion miles and spotty service history.  The Bluetec only
had 36k miles on it, and all records from the dealer.

The V6 is more complicated but doesn't seem to be less reliable.

Tom

On Jan 3, 2015 6:31 PM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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>
> The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable
than the v6 blue tec
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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> Tom wrote:
> I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
> was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
> car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
> will be a while before I get to feel clever again.
>
> On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
> should put more air in the tires.

WOW! 

I thought they get like 36+ mpg...

(huge link to follow)



smh,

Rick
Who is surprised the government site is accurate...
  
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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> Tom wrote:
> 
> I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer
> when gas was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with
> premium. I like the car but with a 50 cent price differential and
> a disappointing 30.3 mpg it will be a while before I get to feel
> clever again.

Is fuel price the only reason you choose to drive a diesel?

For me it's not.  I choose diesel engines for a lot of other
reasons, so now that gasoline is cheap (for a while) I loose one of
the lesser benefits.  

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

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The car to get is the 05-06 cdi straight 6, better mileage more reliable than 
the v6 blue tec

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> On Jan 3, 2015, at 6:28 PM, Tom Savage via Mercedes  
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> 
> On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
>> Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
> 
> I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
> was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
> car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
> will be a while before I get to feel clever again.
> 
> On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
> should put more air in the tires.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Tom Savage via Mercedes]

On Jan 3, 2015 5:16 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:
> Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
>

I sure thought I was clever buying the E320 Bluetec last summer when gas
was still expensive and diesel was close to parity with premium. I like the
car but with a 50 cent price differential and a disappointing 30.3 mpg it
will be a while before I get to feel clever again.

On my easy highway commute I averaged 20.6 in now-Dan's S420. Maybe I
should put more air in the tires.

Tom
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[dseretakis--- via Mercedes]

Yes they are truly awful. They are pretty rock solid mechanically though and 
have nice interiors.

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> On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only
> here in the salt belt?
> On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
> wrote:
> 
>> Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best
>> bet.  I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty
>> rugged.  Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.
>> 
>> You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see
>> what people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when
>> you're buying one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.
>> 
>> While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been
>> properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point
>> is going to be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that
>> you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.
>> 
>> Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going
>> to be, too.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
 On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original Message
>>> From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
>>> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
>>> Reply To: ernest breakfield
>>> Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
   we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to
>>> keep
 running.
>>> 
>>> Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove
>> a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking
>> W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging,
>> rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much
>> fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up...
>>> 
>>> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

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‎> On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only 
> here in the salt belt?
>

Yes. 

That said, the 4-matic cars don't have that issue, and I would think a non rust 
belt car would not have that issue. If I were to put a liberal coating of Fluid 
Film on rust prone areas every autumn, the car should last until it is pretty 
much obsolete. At least that is my thoughts on the matter. 
‎
Rick 
Who wishes Fluid Film would've been put on his 123's every year. 

Who also wonders where Hendrik has been hiding lately?

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe these are the chassis' with the spring perch issue, but that being 
the case its like the W140 disintegrating wiring harnesses - you know exactly 
what to look for and can immediately disqualify a car.

Others who know better than I will comment, I'm sure.

Dan



> On Jan 3, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only 
> here in the salt belt?
> 
> On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes"  > wrote:
> Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best 
> bet.  I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged. 
>  Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.
> 
> You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see 
> what people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're 
> buying one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.
> 
> While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly 
> cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to 
> be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could 
> probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.
> 
> Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to 
> be, too.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Original Message
> > From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> > Reply To: ernest breakfield
> > Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
> >  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep
> >> running.
> >
> > Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 
> > 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 
> > or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting 
> > W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas 
> > prices WILL be going back up...
> >
> > Rick
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Z10
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they 
rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be 
back up soon enough



Yep, now is the time to buy a used diesel or high mpg gasser.
Fools' memories rarely extend past their last fillup, and there are enough fools 
out there to really skew the market. Should be interesting to see how long it 
takes for Chevy to roll out $5k rebates on Cruze Eco.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Aren't w210 bodies very rust prone?  Spring perches etc.? Or is that only
here in the salt belt?
On Jan 3, 2015 4:50 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best
> bet.  I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty
> rugged.  Not a lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.
>
> You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see
> what people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when
> you're buying one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.
>
> While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been
> properly cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point
> is going to be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that
> you could probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.
>
> Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going
> to be, too.
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >   Original Message
> > From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> > Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Reply To: ernest breakfield
> > Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
> >  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to
> >keep
> >> running.
> >
> > Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove
> a 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking
> W210 or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging,
> rusting W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much
> fuel. Gas prices WILL be going back up...
> >
> > Rick
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Based on what I know about them, it sounds like a W210 would be your best bet.  
I'm told by current owners that they are good on gas and pretty rugged.  Not a 
lot of electronics and fairly simple to work on.

You might want to wander through the W210 forum over at Benzworld and see what 
people are saying.  They may have an FAQ on what to look for when you're buying 
one, too.  Most of the sections have stickies like this.

While I'm sure a W124 could serve the need, finding one that's been properly 
cared for and doesn't have a boatload of miles on it at his point is going to 
be tough.  Not to mention the W210s are plentiful enough that you could 
probably get a good one for less than the top end W124.

Like the CarTalk guys always said, the newer it is, the safer it's going to be, 
too.

Dan


> On Jan 3, 2015, at 4:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply To: ernest breakfield
> Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
>  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep 
>> running.
> 
> Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 
> 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 
> or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting 
> W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas 
> prices WILL be going back up...
> 
> Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have been seeing on the news people talking about the cheap gas and how they 
rushed out to buy big suv since the prices are low. They are idiots, it will be 
back up soon enough

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:06 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply To: ernest breakfield
> Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
>  >we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep 
>> running.
> 
> Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 
> 2014 Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 
> or clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting 
> W123's. I drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas 
> prices WILL be going back up...
> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

  Original Message  
From: ernest breakfield via Mercedes
Sent: Saturday, January 3, 2015 2:09 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Reply To: ernest breakfield
Subject: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)
 >    we need a car that we can use, >not something that's a hobby to >keep 
>running.

Which is why I asked the W140/W210 questions the other day. I just drove a 2014 
Honda Civic, and frankly my W124 drives MUCH better. I'm thinking W210 or 
clean, low miles W124 (do they exist?) to replace the aging, rusting W123's. I 
drive 600 miles a week, so a W140 would use too much fuel. Gas prices WILL be 
going back up...

Rick 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I can't speak for the W140 diesels, but for the gassers there is no shortage of 
parts. Some things, like the self-destructing wiring harnesses if you're 
unlucky enough to have a car that still has one, are in the aftermarket but 
getting harder to find as demand has dropped off.  A lot of the guys on the 
Benzworld W140 forum aggressively part cars out, so there's a good supply of 
used parts floating around, too.

BTW, I had to top off the S500's AC today.  The youngest said it wasn't making 
cool well.  There's evidence of dye from the compressor seal, so I suspect 
that's the (new) weak point.  Meh.  If I have to put a can of refrigerant in it 
occasionally I'm still ahead compared to having to replace the evaporator.

Dan

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 3:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts 
> becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was 
> because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so 
> long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.
>we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep 
> running.
> 
>we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink 
> it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.
>are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e


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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Hey, all you W123 people whining about parts that are NLA.  Please SHARE
the specifics inasmuch as I have a ton of spare parts cluttering up my
garage.

On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for
> any car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little
> parts becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel
> MBZs was because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running
> trim for so long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.
> >we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep
> running.
> >
> >we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to
> rethink it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.
> >are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?
> >
> >
> > cheers!
> > e
> >
> >
> >> On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to
> say this isn't a nice W123.
> >>
> >> W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140,
> either way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my
> living room while I drive
> >>
> >> Dan
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.
> >>>
> >>> Jaime
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the
> 350SDL
>  with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by
> procrastinating
>  coupla days too long.
> 
>  Wilton
> 
>  - Original Message - From: "Jon Agne via Mercedes" <
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>  To: "Meade Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion
> List" <
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>  Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day
> 
> 
>  I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a
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Re: [MBZ] W123 vs W140 (was: Re: W123 Crack o the day)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

That was always the big claim to fame with mb was you could get parts for any 
car even back to the 40s and 50s. Not anymore. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:09 PM, ernest breakfield via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> agreed; much as i love our W123, i'm getting tired of stupid little parts 
> becoming NLA. one of the reasons our family had been fond of diesel MBZs was 
> because of their traditional ability to keep them in good running trim for so 
> long; that seems to quickly becoming no longer the case.
>we need a car that we can use, not something that's a hobby to keep 
> running.
> 
>we'd thought about acquiring a W126 diesel next, but are having to rethink 
> it likelihood of being able to maintain one of those, too.
>are parts becoming unobtanium for the W140 diesels as with the W123s?
> 
> 
> cheers!
> e
> 
> 
>> On 03/Jan/15 11:54, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I would rather have a nice W126, too.  Gasser or diesel.  That's not to say 
>> this isn't a nice W123.
>> 
>> W140s have spoiled me.  I want a land yacht sedan.  W126 or W140, either 
>> way, something that makes me feel like I'm sitting on the sofa in my living 
>> room while I drive
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 3, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wilton, I'd rather have a nice 350SDL too.
>>> 
>>> Jaime
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 10:48 AM, WILTON via Mercedes 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I'm mighty tempted, but I'd really rather have a nice 126 like the 350SDL
 with MB crate engine I let get away several months ago by procrastinating
 coupla days too long.
 
 Wilton
 
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 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: "Meade Dillon" ; "Mercedes Discussion List" <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 Crack o the day
 
 
 I’ll bet that he gets his price+, and it could very well be a subscriber
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