[MOPO] AOL Members registered at MoviePosterBid

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

hey all of you AOL members

I just wanted to let you know that AOL is not allowing MoviePosterBid 
email through


this is a constant problem that even JR had to deal with when he 
owned MPB and that we have repeatedly had to deal with since I took over


Once again we have to convince AOL to allow mail through..

I can't tell you how aggravating it is of course, especially 
considering all of the real spam we get through AOL's servers


anyway.. if you're on AOL, and you aren't your bill.. you may have to phone me

Rich===

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Re: [MOPO] Leaving bad feedback

[Phil Edwards]

It's all a bit like ALICE IN WONDERLAND now.
Phil

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  From: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 11:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Leaving bad feedback


  WHEN CHECKING A TRADING PARTNER, I BELIEVE THAT IS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE 
FEEDBACK LEFT FOR OTHERS.  Often, very insightful.

  Not so insightful now under the new system with sellers being unable to leave 
anything but positive feedback. eBay has also warned sellers that they will be 
committing a policy violation if the leave "false positives" ie a seller who 
leaves a positive feedback but with a comment like "warning - non paying 
bidder". eBay has said that comments like these will be removed and violations 
could result in suspension.


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Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:17 AM
Subject: [MOPO] Leaving bad feedback




  And you Michael, how often have you ACTUALLY left negative feedback and 
the reasons.

  Just curious.
i have two ebay accounts:  dialmbbmbb & witnessfor

let my feedback history speak for itself.  

WHEN CHECKING A TRADING PARTNER, I BELIEVE THAT IS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE 
FEEDBACK LEFT FOR OTHERS.  Often, very insightful.

i believe that neg feedback should be left for collectors or dealers 
(posters or otherwise) who are purposefully deceitful by words or tiny, cropped 
images.   i have had several situations of sellers outside the poster 
collecting hobby that did not have a clue as to what defects to disclose; yet, 
despite disappointment, i still left good feedback because they seemed sincere 
and honest.  collectors & dealers are to be held to a higher standard.
 
i have also left the "proverbial" retaliatory feedback.  

i told MOPOers this morning of the terrible flimsy damaged tube that i 
received a few weeks ago.  seller left me advance fgood eedback.  i have left 
none.

i have returned posters that did not meet the description, and sometimes 
left good feedback.  it is all about sincerity, honesty and decency.  

i have never received any feedback as a seller for misrepresenting.

michael




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Re: [MOPO] Leaving bad feedback

[JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia]

WHEN CHECKING A TRADING PARTNER, I BELIEVE THAT IS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE 
FEEDBACK LEFT FOR OTHERS.  Often, very insightful.

Not so insightful now under the new system with sellers being unable to leave 
anything but positive feedback. eBay has also warned sellers that they will be 
committing a policy violation if the leave "false positives" ie a seller who 
leaves a positive feedback but with a comment like "warning - non paying 
bidder". eBay has said that comments like these will be removed and violations 
could result in suspension.


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  From: Michael B 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:17 AM
  Subject: [MOPO] Leaving bad feedback




And you Michael, how often have you ACTUALLY left negative feedback and the 
reasons.

Just curious.
  i have two ebay accounts:  dialmbbmbb & witnessfor

  let my feedback history speak for itself.  

  WHEN CHECKING A TRADING PARTNER, I BELIEVE THAT IS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE 
FEEDBACK LEFT FOR OTHERS.  Often, very insightful.

  i believe that neg feedback should be left for collectors or dealers (posters 
or otherwise) who are purposefully deceitful by words or tiny, cropped images.  
 i have had several situations of sellers outside the poster collecting hobby 
that did not have a clue as to what defects to disclose; yet, despite 
disappointment, i still left good feedback because they seemed sincere and 
honest.  collectors & dealers are to be held to a higher standard.
   
  i have also left the "proverbial" retaliatory feedback.  

  i told MOPOers this morning of the terrible flimsy damaged tube that i 
received a few weeks ago.  seller left me advance fgood eedback.  i have left 
none.

  i have returned posters that did not meet the description, and sometimes left 
good feedback.  it is all about sincerity, honesty and decency.  

  i have never received any feedback as a seller for misrepresenting.

  michael



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[MOPO] Leaving bad feedback

[Michael B]

And you Michael, how often have you ACTUALLY left negative feedback and the 
reasons.

?

Just curious.



i have two ebay accounts:? dialmbbmbb & witnessfor

let my feedback history speak for itself.? 

WHEN CHECKING A TRADING PARTNER, I BELIEVE THAT IS IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE 
FEEDBACK LEFT FOR OTHERS.? Often, very insightful.

i believe that neg feedback should be left for collectors or dealers (posters 
or otherwise) who are purposefully deceitful by words or tiny, cropped images. 
? i have had several situations of sellers outside the poster collecting 
hobby?that did not have a clue as to what defects to disclose; yet, despite 
disappointment, i still left good feedback because they seemed sincere and 
honest.? collectors & dealers are to be held to a higher standard.
?
i have also left the "proverbial" retaliatory feedback.? 

i told MOPOers this morning of the terrible flimsy damaged tube that i received 
a few weeks ago.? seller left me advance fgood eedback.? i have left none.

i have returned posters that did not meet the description, and sometimes left 
good feedback.? it is all about sincerity, honesty and decency.? 

i have never received any feedback as a seller for misrepresenting.

michael




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Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

I have left negs in only a few occasions

once the ebay buyer/seller JohnBarrymoreUK cheated me & took my money
she may be a huge barrymore fan, but she wanted me to pay the paypal 
fees, I told ebay who warned her she couldn't do that.. but I never 
got my items.
so for $30 I found out that JohnBarrymoreUK was  thief.. that's okay. 
Now all of you know it too. Anyway I left her a neg to find that at 
the very last minute that she could leave feedback, she had negged me 
too. But I did get her back.. for months I checked her bidding list & 
drove her up about $1000 total before I got bored with it. she has 
since changed her ebay name..
if she's reading this.. well, seeing as she is a woman and I still 
see something wrong with insulting a woman - if she is a lady or as 
in this case, not - I will hold my tongue.


another time, Superposters ripped me off and was an a**hole, so I negged him

I know there were a few times I left other negs.. not too often.

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Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

[pj Angel]

And you Michael, how often have *you* ACTUALLY left negative feedback and
the reasons.

Just curious.

Me, I left only a couple of negs since 1998 for reasons of which I no longer
recall.

That's not to say I haven't been disappointed, or misled, buy an item
received, but have always been able to communicate with the seller to
resolve the transaction with either money returned, an replacement item, or
(in one case) credit on future auctions. That's happened a dozen or so
times.

And as a seller I found the best way to retain good relationships, and a
solid customer base, was to let the buyer keep the item they were
disappointed with and return all the money, including shipping. No questions
asked. That happened maybe 5 times over the years. It was amazing that after
I gave them that option, the item in question was no longer quite so
disappointing.

pj
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Patrick Michael Tupy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Michael, I left bad feedback for the first time and did it three times with
> three different Sellers.
> The reason:  They got paid on time, but never responded to email and never
> shipped the items.
>
> Ebay has suspended two of these Sellers.  So weird that they had great
> feedback right up to the
> time I'd purchased items.  Then they had a string of 8-10 Buyers leaving
> Neg feedback due to
> never receiving the items purchased.
>
> Claims filed, but I have even less faith in PayPal than I do in Ebay, so
> that $ is likely gone.
>
> Patrick
>
> ps: I should note that none of these Sellers were selling posters.
>
>
>  On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Michael B wrote:
>
> how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it sparingly, and
> for what reason?
>
> deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?
>
> forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?
>
> 
>
> ???
>
> ??
>
> ?
>
> michael
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Re: [MOPO] since when does it cost $ a seller to 'revise' an item on eBay?

[Kenwick Cook]

Mr. Reid;
Thanks for the relieving info. After all that's been  going on lately, I 
wasn't going to put it past eBay otherwise, LOL. I guess  I don't do the eBay 
discussion boards. This one's more interesting.
Thanks again;
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Re: [MOPO] since when does it cost $ a seller to 'revise' an item on eBay?

[JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia]

I think that is a glitch and not a new policy. I have seen quite a bit about 
this on the eBay discussion boards where people have been charged for minor 
revisions. If you go to one of the eBay boards like Seller Central or the 
PowerSeller board you can do a search and find more information.


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  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:14 AM
  Subject: [MOPO] since when does it cost $ a seller to 'revise' an item on 
eBay?


  I just revised an item in My Store, by removing the Or Best Offer option, and 
it cost me the relist price of five cents, but the remaining time is the same...
  I did notice the other day when raising a few prices that I had to pay a fee, 
but didn't pay attention because I expected to pay more.
  I didn't read in the fine print that revisions cost us money, so when did 
this happen?
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Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

[JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia]

However, how would they police that? Someone could say they left phone messages 
or called. 

Sue
At the moment there is a box that comes up before you leave negative or neutral 
asking whether you have contacted the seller, etc but it is not an actual 
requirement. I have an account manager with eBay and he has told me that they 
are encouraging all sellers to only communicate through the eBay system which 
is both a pain and impractical. Their point is that they can then easily verify 
what communication has taken place in the event of some dispute.

It seems to me that the next logical step will be that eBay will require some 
sort of dialogue through their system before a negative can be left - maybe 
something similar to the non paying bidder dispute process.
Regards
John

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  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 7:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad


  Hi John,
Thank you for letting me know. Dave at Cinemasterpieces just told me also. 
That is great. I agree with you that you should have to contact the seller 
before leaving feedback just to give an opportunity to rectify the situation. 
However, how would they police that? Someone could say they left phone messages 
or called. It's would be easier to police it if Ebay makes you go through their 
system to contact the seller so there is a paper trail, but who knows. I guess 
there is always going to be problems when people have to deal with each other.

  Sue
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From: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia 
To: Susan Heim ; MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad


Hi Sue
eBay recently announced that neutral feedbacks will no longer count as 
negatives in your overall rating so you should be back to 100% soon. Its a 
small concession but at least its something. Somebody suggested that you should 
be required to contact the seller before being able to leave negative or 
neutral feedback and that seems pretty logical to me.
Regards
John



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  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad


  While I feel the feedback system is a viable one, sometimes people don't 
consider the whole situation before they leave their feedback. I have been on 
Ebay for 8 years and up to about a month ago had 100% positive feedback. I work 
hard to maintain that. Then one day I go in and am about to post some listings 
and I see my feedback is 99.8. I did a doubletake. So, I go in and someone had 
left me neutral feedback on two orders. He had ordered two different size 
frames from two different auctions.  Many of you are my customers so you know 
how well we wrap the frames and the lengths we go to ensure complete 
satisfaction. We bubblewrap each frame and then put a huge dayglo green label 
on the front of the bubblewrap that says "if you receive any damage, call us 
immediately and we will take care of it".  

  So, this customer received both his frames and one frame had a slight 
bend in one of the frame legs from shipping. He never called me, never gave me 
the opportunity to send him a replacement, just left his feedback. So, I called 
him. He says "no problem", I just put it on my vice I have in my garage and 
gently pulled out the slight bend. You can't even tell now". So, I asked him 
why he didn't call me before he left feedback. His response was that the bend 
was so slight, he knew he could fix it quickly himself. He reminded me that he 
didn't leave "negative" feedback, but neutral on both orders, even though only 
1 leg of 1 frame had the bend. He also added that at first he thought they were 
just like the plastic frames he bought from his local hobby shop, but once he 
opened them up he saw they came with 1/8" thick plexiglass and 

[MOPO] Looking for Invisible Ghost

[Susan Heim]

Hello all,
  I am looking for the American original one sheet only for Invisible Ghost, 
1941 and Return of the Vampire, 1944, both Lugosi films. Please contact me if 
you have either or both for sale with condition and price. Thank you in advance 
for your time.

Sue
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Re: [MOPO] Bruce's Auctions

[Tom Martin]

Bruce, Toochis, Tupy and fellow colleges in the study of art of motion 
pictures...


A few years back I had some fun with a audio track answering tape wher i 
did freddy Krueger


type voice-over and wrote a script that allowed the person to call the 
phone and they were then in the script...


I wish i had it on a 900 pay per call as it rang and rang for weeks.. 
the idea was suspension of disbelief


concept and I  recorded it on a 8-track analog Tascam recorder with 
foley sounds/ I even Pitched the voice  to sound lower and it was a 
great concept and people loved it.


It was the same as Movie making as it suggested elements that  are time 
tested.


for instance as I write this.. I just grabbed a very fresh yellow- Lemon 
and I will now take a BITE- crucnh o
how Tart and juicy this is... its making my saliva glands secrete 
uncntrolable.- YYouzze..


wow.. Just to freak out  Potokar Ill take another JUICY BITE 
ehheew man thats sour.. very very juicy and sour.. its 
making me puker up like Yoda



OK... did I make a point?



Toochis Morin wrote:


I'm with you on this one Bruce.  I actually loved KING KONG.

Cheers,
Toochis

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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce's Auctions

I think another good example of this was the recent King Kong. Some 
reviewers had a problem with Naomi Watts defying the laws of physics 
by standing waving her arms on the Empire State Building, but they had 
the ability to accept the many other wacky aspects of the movie. For 
some reason, just that one bothered them.
 
Personally, I am able to suspend disbelief quite well. All I ask is 
that the movie be well paced, and that I am entertained. My own pet 
peeve in an action movie or comedy is when the lead character or 
villain stands still for a few minutes and gives a long explanation of 
why all the characters did what they did. I never care about the 
explanation, because it is almost always mumbo jumbo anyway. I much 
prefer Hitchcock's type of explanation, where it is simply "something" 
that everyone wants, and they don't explain it at all.
 
Bruce


On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Michael Tupy 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:


Theater of the mind...a roller coaster for the grey matter, baby. 
Intellectually, sure, as a glib statement, a ventriloquist on the
radio is absurd on it's face, 
but is it any more absurd than when people complain that Lois Lane

can't see that Clarke Kent is Superman with his feeble pair of
glasses as
his only disguise?  Fine, we can't make THAT leap but we easily
accept that the guy is able to leap tall buildings in a single
bound?  We all pick and
choose to accept, picture in our minds, BELIEVE what we need to in
order to accept the story or not.  If you can picture Edgar Bergen
with a wooden 
dummy on his lap named Chuck McCarthy while listening on the

radio, you're already a 'believer.'  That's the genius of great
storytelling and great radio.

The ability to suspend your disbelief (or suspend your reliance on
the sensible, the practical, the empirical) is what makes all
stories possible.  Some folks are less inclined to believe unless
they see pictures.  So movies are easier for them but still, a
suspension of disbelief is central for the success of film stories
just as for radio plays.  For movies it's believing that Welles is
KANE, that Flynn is Robin Hood, that Nicholson and Morgan Freeman
are dying...suspend your disbelief and all stories are fact, and
anything is possible.  And thus, by extension, the success of
Religion...and the wars fought over belief of which tales
occurred, which hero's existed...who's Obi Wan was actually wise,
who's wise man is a villain, who's 'right,' who's 'wrong' and
whether or not the dummy on this fellas lap is  real or was made
of wood and whole cloth.

No disrespect to anyone's particular belief system, just an
observation of how the process of believing, of having faith and
accepting the incredible is absolutely central to the acceptance
of most any story.

Patrick






On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Jeff Potokar wrote:


roger,

-do a little reading on the duo and you will know why they were
so popular and loved--even on the radio.

it was also a different time and world.. simple ways to entertain
the masses.

jeff



On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Roger Kim wrote:


For some inexplicable reason, they had one of the most popular
radio shows during the golden age of radio. It makes no sense
that they let a ventriloquist on the radio. It's almost as bad
as putting a mime on the radio. I think it's one of the great
mysteries of the universe that the show worked.



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Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

[Jeff Potokar]

It sounds like a good idea that Ebay REQUIRE contact between seller  
and buyer before negative feedback is left. at this point, Ebay only  
suggests this, as a way to resolve possible issues or problems. seems  
like a good, sound idea.


jeff




On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:51 PM, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia wrote:


Hi Sue
eBay recently announced that neutral feedbacks will no longer count  
as negatives in your overall rating so you should be back to 100%  
soon. Its a small concession but at least its something. Somebody  
suggested that you should be required to contact the seller before  
being able to leave negative or neutral feedback and that seems  
pretty logical to me.

Regards
John



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- Original Message -
From: Susan Heim
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

While I feel the feedback system is a viable one, sometimes people  
don't consider the whole situation before they leave their  
feedback. I have been on Ebay for 8 years and up to about a month  
ago had 100% positive feedback. I work hard to maintain that. Then  
one day I go in and am about to post some listings and I see my  
feedback is 99.8. I did a doubletake. So, I go in and someone had  
left me neutral feedback on two orders. He had ordered two  
different size frames from two different auctions.  Many of you are  
my customers so you know how well we wrap the frames and the  
lengths we go to ensure complete satisfaction. We bubblewrap each  
frame and then put a huge dayglo green label on the front of the  
bubblewrap that says "if you receive any damage, call us  
immediately and we will take care of it".


So, this customer received both his frames and one frame had a  
slight bend in one of the frame legs from shipping. He never called  
me, never gave me the opportunity to send him a replacement, just  
left his feedback. So, I called him. He says "no problem", I just  
put it on my vice I have in my garage and gently pulled out the  
slight bend. You can't even tell now". So, I asked him why he  
didn't call me before he left feedback. His response was that the  
bend was so slight, he knew he could fix it quickly himself. He  
reminded me that he didn't leave "negative" feedback, but neutral  
on both orders, even though only 1 leg of 1 frame had the bend. He  
also added that at first he thought they were just like the plastic  
frames he bought from his local hobby shop, but once he opened them  
up he saw they came with 1/8" thick plexiglass and were constructed  
very nicely he saw they were high quality. He said he liked them a  
lot and would be ordering more. He said he left his feedback right  
as he saw the bent frame leg before he actually looked at the whole  
frame.


Now, he did leave neutrals on both auctions, but he included in his  
comments that the frames were cheaply made, how he was at fault for  
not investigating further, etc. He said he jumped the gun with his  
"feedback" before he actually looked at the frames entirely and  
now, would not have left that feedback. I ask him to contact Ebay  
and tell them he had made a mistake or at least go back into the  
feedback and write that he had jumped the gun, etc. Of course, he  
never did, so he won't be buying my frames again!  Now, of course,  
I had nothing to do with the damage. We ship about 1500 frames a  
month and every two or three months, we get a bent leg and  
occasionally a broken piece of plexiglass. That is pretty good  
odds, even though I wish it was no damage ever. I know I'm  
dreaming. The point is, my 100% positive feedback is gone due to a  
situation totally out of my control.


I am very careful when I leave feedback for someone as I know it  
can mean a lot to their situation.


Sue
www.hollywoodposterframes.com
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Michael Tupy
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

Michael, I left bad feedback for the first time and did it three  
times with three different Sellers.


The reason:  They got paid on time, but never responded to email  
and never shipped the items.


Ebay has suspended two of these Sellers.  So weird that they had  
great feedback right up to the
time I'd purchased items.  Then they had a string of 8-10 Buyers  
leaving Neg feedback due to

never receiving the items purchased.

Claims filed, but I have even less faith in PayPal than I do in  
Ebay, so that $ is likely gone.


Patrick

Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

[Michael B]

what is worse than the feedback, are the 4 new questions.

disparagements are made in anonymity.? and seller can't respond.? boy, is that 
fair!!!

(some enter low ratings, just for the hell of it--even though they may leave 
glowing public feedback)

michael?







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[MOPO] since when does it cost $ a seller to 'revise' an item on eBay?

[Kenwick Cook]

I just revised an item in My Store, by removing the Or Best Offer  option, 
and it cost me the relist price of five cents, but the remaining time is  the 
same...
I did notice the other day when raising a few prices that I had to pay a  
fee, but didn't pay attention because I expected to pay more.
I didn't read in the fine print that revisions cost us money, so when  did 
this happen?
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Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

[Susan Heim]

Hi John,
  Thank you for letting me know. Dave at Cinemasterpieces just told me also. 
That is great. I agree with you that you should have to contact the seller 
before leaving feedback just to give an opportunity to rectify the situation. 
However, how would they police that? Someone could say they left phone messages 
or called. It's would be easier to police it if Ebay makes you go through their 
system to contact the seller so there is a paper trail, but who knows. I guess 
there is always going to be problems when people have to deal with each other.

Sue
www.hollywoodposterframes.com 
  - Original Message - 
  From: JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia 
  To: Susan Heim ; 
MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad


  Hi Sue
  eBay recently announced that neutral feedbacks will no longer count as 
negatives in your overall rating so you should be back to 100% soon. Its a 
small concession but at least its something. Somebody suggested that you should 
be required to contact the seller before being able to leave negative or 
neutral feedback and that seems pretty logical to me.
  Regards
  John



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  Qld 4221
  Australia
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Heim 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad


While I feel the feedback system is a viable one, sometimes people don't 
consider the whole situation before they leave their feedback. I have been on 
Ebay for 8 years and up to about a month ago had 100% positive feedback. I work 
hard to maintain that. Then one day I go in and am about to post some listings 
and I see my feedback is 99.8. I did a doubletake. So, I go in and someone had 
left me neutral feedback on two orders. He had ordered two different size 
frames from two different auctions.  Many of you are my customers so you know 
how well we wrap the frames and the lengths we go to ensure complete 
satisfaction. We bubblewrap each frame and then put a huge dayglo green label 
on the front of the bubblewrap that says "if you receive any damage, call us 
immediately and we will take care of it".  

So, this customer received both his frames and one frame had a slight bend 
in one of the frame legs from shipping. He never called me, never gave me the 
opportunity to send him a replacement, just left his feedback. So, I called 
him. He says "no problem", I just put it on my vice I have in my garage and 
gently pulled out the slight bend. You can't even tell now". So, I asked him 
why he didn't call me before he left feedback. His response was that the bend 
was so slight, he knew he could fix it quickly himself. He reminded me that he 
didn't leave "negative" feedback, but neutral on both orders, even though only 
1 leg of 1 frame had the bend. He also added that at first he thought they were 
just like the plastic frames he bought from his local hobby shop, but once he 
opened them up he saw they came with 1/8" thick plexiglass and were constructed 
very nicely he saw they were high quality. He said he liked them a lot and 
would be ordering more. He said he left his feedback right as he saw the bent 
frame leg before he actually looked at the whole frame.  

Now, he did leave neutrals on both auctions, but he included in his 
comments that the frames were cheaply made, how he was at fault for not 
investigating further, etc. He said he jumped the gun with his "feedback" 
before he actually looked at the frames entirely and now, would not have left 
that feedback. I ask him to contact Ebay and tell them he had made a mistake or 
at least go back into the feedback and write that he had jumped the gun, etc. 
Of course, he never did, so he won't be buying my frames again!  Now, of 
course, I had nothing to do with the damage. We ship about 1500 frames a month 
and every two or three months, we get a bent leg and occasionally a broken 
piece of plexiglass. That is pretty good odds, even though I wish it was no 
damage ever. I know I'm dreaming. The point is, my 

Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

[JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia]

Hi Sue
eBay recently announced that neutral feedbacks will no longer count as 
negatives in your overall rating so you should be back to 100% soon. Its a 
small concession but at least its something. Somebody suggested that you should 
be required to contact the seller before being able to leave negative or 
neutral feedback and that seems pretty logical to me.
Regards
John



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  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Heim 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 4:35 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad


  While I feel the feedback system is a viable one, sometimes people don't 
consider the whole situation before they leave their feedback. I have been on 
Ebay for 8 years and up to about a month ago had 100% positive feedback. I work 
hard to maintain that. Then one day I go in and am about to post some listings 
and I see my feedback is 99.8. I did a doubletake. So, I go in and someone had 
left me neutral feedback on two orders. He had ordered two different size 
frames from two different auctions.  Many of you are my customers so you know 
how well we wrap the frames and the lengths we go to ensure complete 
satisfaction. We bubblewrap each frame and then put a huge dayglo green label 
on the front of the bubblewrap that says "if you receive any damage, call us 
immediately and we will take care of it".  

  So, this customer received both his frames and one frame had a slight bend in 
one of the frame legs from shipping. He never called me, never gave me the 
opportunity to send him a replacement, just left his feedback. So, I called 
him. He says "no problem", I just put it on my vice I have in my garage and 
gently pulled out the slight bend. You can't even tell now". So, I asked him 
why he didn't call me before he left feedback. His response was that the bend 
was so slight, he knew he could fix it quickly himself. He reminded me that he 
didn't leave "negative" feedback, but neutral on both orders, even though only 
1 leg of 1 frame had the bend. He also added that at first he thought they were 
just like the plastic frames he bought from his local hobby shop, but once he 
opened them up he saw they came with 1/8" thick plexiglass and were constructed 
very nicely he saw they were high quality. He said he liked them a lot and 
would be ordering more. He said he left his feedback right as he saw the bent 
frame leg before he actually looked at the whole frame.  

  Now, he did leave neutrals on both auctions, but he included in his comments 
that the frames were cheaply made, how he was at fault for not investigating 
further, etc. He said he jumped the gun with his "feedback" before he actually 
looked at the frames entirely and now, would not have left that feedback. I ask 
him to contact Ebay and tell them he had made a mistake or at least go back 
into the feedback and write that he had jumped the gun, etc. Of course, he 
never did, so he won't be buying my frames again!  Now, of course, I had 
nothing to do with the damage. We ship about 1500 frames a month and every two 
or three months, we get a bent leg and occasionally a broken piece of 
plexiglass. That is pretty good odds, even though I wish it was no damage ever. 
I know I'm dreaming. The point is, my 100% positive feedback is gone due to a 
situation totally out of my control. 

  I am very careful when I leave feedback for someone as I know it can mean a 
lot to their situation. 

  Sue
  www.hollywoodposterframes.com 
- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Michael Tupy 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback


Michael, I left bad feedback for the first time and did it three times with 
three different Sellers. 


The reason:  They got paid on time, but never responded to email and never 
shipped the items.


Ebay has suspended two of these Sellers.  So weird that they had great 
feedback right up to the
time I'd purchased items.  Then they had a string of 8-10 Buyers leaving 
Neg feedback due to 
never receiving the items purchased.


Claims filed, but I have even less faith in PayPal than I do in Ebay, so 
that $ is likely gone.


Patrick


ps: I should note that none of these Sellers were selling posters.




On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Michael B wrote:


  how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it sparingly, 
and for what reason?

  deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?

  forever to 

Re: [MOPO] Bruce's Auctions

[Toochis Morin]

I'm with you on this one Bruce.  I actually loved KING KONG.

Cheers,
Toochis


- Original Message 
From: Bruce Hershenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:42:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Bruce's Auctions


I think another good example of this was the recent King Kong. Some reviewers 
had a problem with Naomi Watts defying the laws of physics by standing waving 
her arms on the Empire State Building, but they had the ability to accept the 
many other wacky aspects of the movie. For some reason, just that one bothered 
them.
 
Personally, I am able to suspend disbelief quite well. All I ask is that the 
movie be well paced, and that I am entertained. My own pet peeve in an action 
movie or comedy is when the lead character or villain stands still for a few 
minutes and gives a long explanation of why all the characters did what they 
did. I never care about the explanation, because it is almost always mumbo 
jumbo anyway. I much prefer Hitchcock's type of explanation, where it is simply 
"something" that everyone wants, and they don't explain it at all.
 
Bruce


On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Michael Tupy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

Theater of the mind...a roller coaster for the grey matter, baby.  
Intellectually, sure, as a glib statement, a ventriloquist on the radio is 
absurd on it's face,  
but is it any more absurd than when people complain that Lois Lane can't see 
that Clarke Kent is Superman with his feeble pair of glasses as
his only disguise?  Fine, we can't make THAT leap but we easily accept that the 
guy is able to leap tall buildings in a single bound?  We all pick and
choose to accept, picture in our minds, BELIEVE what we need to in order to 
accept the story or not.  If you can picture Edgar Bergen with a wooden 
dummy on his lap named Chuck McCarthy while listening on the radio, you're 
already a 'believer.'  That's the genius of great storytelling and great radio.

The ability to suspend your disbelief (or suspend your reliance on the 
sensible, the practical, the empirical) is what makes all stories possible.  
Some folks are less inclined to believe unless they see pictures.  So movies 
are easier for them but still, a suspension of disbelief is central for the 
success of film stories just as for radio plays.  For movies it's believing 
that Welles is KANE, that Flynn is Robin Hood, that Nicholson and Morgan 
Freeman are dying...suspend your disbelief and all stories are fact, and 
anything is possible.  And thus, by extension, the success of Religion...and 
the wars fought over belief of which tales occurred, which hero's 
existed...who's Obi Wan was actually wise, who's wise man is a villain, who's 
'right,' who's 'wrong' and whether or not the dummy on this fellas lap is  real 
or was made of wood and whole cloth.

No disrespect to anyone's particular belief system, just an observation of how 
the process of believing, of having faith and accepting the incredible is 
absolutely central to the acceptance of most any story.
Patrick 








On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Jeff Potokar wrote:

roger, 

-do a little reading on the duo and you will know why they were so popular and 
loved--even on the radio.

it was also a different time and world.. simple ways to entertain the masses.


jeff




On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Roger Kim wrote:

For some inexplicable reason, they had one of the most popular radio shows 
during the golden age of radio. It makes no sense that they let a ventriloquist 
on the radio. It's almost as bad as putting a mime on the radio. I think it's 
one of the great mysteries of the universe that the show worked.

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Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

[Franc]

Yes, I've been burned by this sort of thing too. Unfortunately, many new
Ebay buyers don't understand the feedback system and certainly don't
understand that if you maintain a 4.9 average as a dealer, you get
charged fees by Ebay. These new buyers just go about checking any box
that strikes their fancy.  I had a perfect 4.9 average until some Ebayer
decided to leave me low shipping feedback numbers because I didn't offer
"book rate" something that would be illegal frankly given that I don't
sell books! That's why I only give negative feedback to someone if they
go out of their way to deserve it.  FRANC

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From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan
Heim
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 2:36 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad


While I feel the feedback system is a viable one, sometimes people don't
consider the whole situation before they leave their feedback. I have
been on Ebay for 8 years and up to about a month ago had 100% positive
feedback. I work hard to maintain that. Then one day I go in and am
about to post some listings and I see my feedback is 99.8. I did a
doubletake. So, I go in and someone had left me neutral feedback on two
orders. He had ordered two different size frames from two different
auctions.  Many of you are my customers so you know how well we wrap the
frames and the lengths we go to ensure complete satisfaction. We
bubblewrap each frame and then put a huge dayglo green label on the
front of the bubblewrap that says "if you receive any damage, call us
immediately and we will take care of it".  
 
So, this customer received both his frames and one frame had a slight
bend in one of the frame legs from shipping. He never called me, never
gave me the opportunity to send him a replacement, just left his
feedback. So, I called him. He says "no problem", I just put it on my
vice I have in my garage and gently pulled out the slight bend. You
can't even tell now". So, I asked him why he didn't call me before he
left feedback. His response was that the bend was so slight, he knew he
could fix it quickly himself. He reminded me that he didn't leave
"negative" feedback, but neutral on both orders, even though only 1 leg
of 1 frame had the bend. He also added that at first he thought they
were just like the plastic frames he bought from his local hobby shop,
but once he opened them up he saw they came with 1/8" thick plexiglass
and were constructed very nicely he saw they were high quality. He said
he liked them a lot and would be ordering more. He said he left his
feedback right as he saw the bent frame leg before he actually looked at
the whole frame.  
 
Now, he did leave neutrals on both auctions, but he included in his
comments that the frames were cheaply made, how he was at fault for not
investigating further, etc. He said he jumped the gun with his
"feedback" before he actually looked at the frames entirely and now,
would not have left that feedback. I ask him to contact Ebay and tell
them he had made a mistake or at least go back into the feedback and
write that he had jumped the gun, etc. Of course, he never did, so he
won't be buying my frames again!  Now, of course, I had nothing to do
with the damage. We ship about 1500 frames a month and every two or
three months, we get a bent leg and occasionally a broken piece of
plexiglass. That is pretty good odds, even though I wish it was no
damage ever. I know I'm dreaming. The point is, my 100% positive
feedback is gone due to a situation totally out of my control. 
 
I am very careful when I leave feedback for someone as I know it can
mean a lot to their situation. 
 
Sue
www.hollywoodposterframes.com 

- Original Message - 
From: Patrick Michael Tupy   
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

Michael, I left bad feedback for the first time and did it three times
with three different Sellers. 

The reason:  They got paid on time, but never responded to email and
never shipped the items.

Ebay has suspended two of these Sellers.  So weird that they had great
feedback right up to the
time I'd purchased items.  Then they had a string of 8-10 Buyers leaving
Neg feedback due to 
never receiving the items purchased.

Claims filed, but I have even less faith in PayPal than I do in Ebay, so
that $ is likely gone.

Patrick

ps: I should note that none of these Sellers were selling posters.


On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Michael B wrote:


how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it sparingly,
and for what reason?

deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?

forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?



???

??

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michael



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Re: [MOPO] Feedback Good/Bad

[Susan Heim]

While I feel the feedback system is a viable one, sometimes people don't 
consider the whole situation before they leave their feedback. I have been on 
Ebay for 8 years and up to about a month ago had 100% positive feedback. I work 
hard to maintain that. Then one day I go in and am about to post some listings 
and I see my feedback is 99.8. I did a doubletake. So, I go in and someone had 
left me neutral feedback on two orders. He had ordered two different size 
frames from two different auctions.  Many of you are my customers so you know 
how well we wrap the frames and the lengths we go to ensure complete 
satisfaction. We bubblewrap each frame and then put a huge dayglo green label 
on the front of the bubblewrap that says "if you receive any damage, call us 
immediately and we will take care of it".  

So, this customer received both his frames and one frame had a slight bend in 
one of the frame legs from shipping. He never called me, never gave me the 
opportunity to send him a replacement, just left his feedback. So, I called 
him. He says "no problem", I just put it on my vice I have in my garage and 
gently pulled out the slight bend. You can't even tell now". So, I asked him 
why he didn't call me before he left feedback. His response was that the bend 
was so slight, he knew he could fix it quickly himself. He reminded me that he 
didn't leave "negative" feedback, but neutral on both orders, even though only 
1 leg of 1 frame had the bend. He also added that at first he thought they were 
just like the plastic frames he bought from his local hobby shop, but once he 
opened them up he saw they came with 1/8" thick plexiglass and were constructed 
very nicely he saw they were high quality. He said he liked them a lot and 
would be ordering more. He said he left his feedback right as he saw the bent 
frame leg before he actually looked at the whole frame.  

Now, he did leave neutrals on both auctions, but he included in his comments 
that the frames were cheaply made, how he was at fault for not investigating 
further, etc. He said he jumped the gun with his "feedback" before he actually 
looked at the frames entirely and now, would not have left that feedback. I ask 
him to contact Ebay and tell them he had made a mistake or at least go back 
into the feedback and write that he had jumped the gun, etc. Of course, he 
never did, so he won't be buying my frames again!  Now, of course, I had 
nothing to do with the damage. We ship about 1500 frames a month and every two 
or three months, we get a bent leg and occasionally a broken piece of 
plexiglass. That is pretty good odds, even though I wish it was no damage ever. 
I know I'm dreaming. The point is, my 100% positive feedback is gone due to a 
situation totally out of my control. 

I am very careful when I leave feedback for someone as I know it can mean a lot 
to their situation. 

Sue
www.hollywoodposterframes.com 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Patrick Michael Tupy 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback


  Michael, I left bad feedback for the first time and did it three times with 
three different Sellers. 


  The reason:  They got paid on time, but never responded to email and never 
shipped the items.


  Ebay has suspended two of these Sellers.  So weird that they had great 
feedback right up to the
  time I'd purchased items.  Then they had a string of 8-10 Buyers leaving Neg 
feedback due to 
  never receiving the items purchased.


  Claims filed, but I have even less faith in PayPal than I do in Ebay, so that 
$ is likely gone.


  Patrick


  ps: I should note that none of these Sellers were selling posters.




  On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Michael B wrote:


how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it sparingly, and 
for what reason?

deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?

forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?



???

??

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At 04:11 PM 7/16/2008, Sean Linkenback wrote:
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Craig Miller

You buy a house for $200,000.  You pay taxes on the sale of
$16,000.  You buy a home warranty at the same time, through
the realty company, for $1000.  You've now paid $217,000.
You wrote a check for $217,000.

What is the value of the house?

Now what if you find out that the Real Estate company got a 
commission from the home owners and that the owners received less than $200K.
What's the value of the house? What if the home was listed for 
$220K, but they accepted 200K, What if you sold the house the next 
day for $240K, what if a bear was walking in the woods, what if you 
find out Elvis slept in the house, Etc. etc., etc


What the owners pay brokers is no more a reduction of the value
of the house than what the buyers pay as BP to the auction house.
Different brokers/realtors charge different commissions; a sale by
owner has no commission.  Some auctioneers charge different
amounts of BP.  A direct sale charges none.  Bruce H. charges
none.  It's a variable cost-of-doing-business.  It isn't part of the
value of the poster or house.

This is Economics 101.

Craig.



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Re: [MOPO] Freeman Fisher

[Craig Miller]

Which tells me that should be the price including a buyer's premium,
and if I'm buying from a seller that doesn't require a buyer's premium,
I should be paying less.  I certainly shouldn't be paying that sale price
plus buyer's premium PLUS another buyer's premium on top of it.
Otherwise, it's simply an artificial way for dealers to inch up the price.
Because it "sold" for the hammer price.  A Buyer's Premium -- or,
in normal business parlance, a commission -- was added to that
price after the auction.

Craig.


At 04:25 PM 7/16/2008, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote:
I would agree with Sean on this. When someone 
calls me and asks what a Creature from the Black 
Lagoon one sheet will bring, I will look at our 
archive and say, "Here is what we have gotten 
for this item.." I would explain that the figure 
does include a Buyer's Premium, but that that is 
the going price in today's market. The "Hammer" 
price plus the "Buyer's Premium" is what the 
piece sold for and is thus, what the market 
should bring for the item. I have great respect 
for Rudy and his opinion, but I would always 
appraise value by what it brought in auction with the BP.


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From: MoPo List 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:12 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Freeman Fisher

From: MoPo List 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig Miller

You buy a house for $200,000.  You pay taxes on the sale of
$16,000.  You buy a home warranty at the same time, through
the realty company, for $1000.  You've now paid $217,000.
You wrote a check for $217,000.

What is the value of the house?

Now what if you find out that the Real Estate 
company got a commission from the home owners 
and that the owners received less than $200K.


What’s the value of the house? What if the home 
was listed for $220K, but they accepted 200K, 
What if you sold the house the next day for 
$240K, what if a bear was walking in the woods, 
what if you find out Elvis slept in the house, Etc. etc., etc




I would argue you can’t count taxes and 
shipping, as they are costs that not every 
purchaser pays, but everyone pays the buyer’s premium.


I’m actually totally in shock at Rudy’s answer 
and he’s the first appraiser I’ve ever heard 
suggest such a thing.  I was an appraiser for 
ASA, have done many more for insurance 
companies, estates, etc and never have heard of 
any other appraiser using the hammer price – 
they look at the final sales price including premium.




If anyone here on their insurance policy lists 
the hammer price as the value and not the full 
price with buyer’s premium (or if anyone lists 
what the seller’s net received was) I’d like to 
hear about it, as you’d be the first I know of to do such a thing.








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Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

[Patrick Michael Tupy]

Michael, I left bad feedback for the first time and did it three  
times with three different Sellers.


The reason:  They got paid on time, but never responded to email and  
never shipped the items.


Ebay has suspended two of these Sellers.  So weird that they had  
great feedback right up to the
time I'd purchased items.  Then they had a string of 8-10 Buyers  
leaving Neg feedback due to

never receiving the items purchased.

Claims filed, but I have even less faith in PayPal than I do in Ebay,  
so that $ is likely gone.


Patrick

ps: I should note that none of these Sellers were selling posters.


On Jul 17, 2008, at 6:47 AM, Michael B wrote:

how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it  
sparingly, and for what reason?


deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?

forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?



???

??

?

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Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

[Erich Linder]

"I also try to research their contact information since they usually have a
bogus phone number as their Ebay contact."

Very true.  But it can be almost worse when it's real!

One particular buyer had a real phone number and I honestly called him 10+
separate occasions to attempt to get him to pay.  Excuses excuses excuses,
and this guy is an attorney!  Oh, did I mention the calls were to Australia
(I am in US), and that I attempted to be courteous by timing my calls during
business hours FOR HIM.  So, there's me, the idiot nice guy, staying up
until who knows what time in order to call some deadbeat on the other side
of the planet, only to hear that his credit card was stolen, or that his
friend would pay me, or whatever else he dreamed up in his twisted little
mind.

Lesson learned.

-Erich

www.posterdemic.com




On 7/17/08, Franc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>  I seldom leave bad feedback as a buyer. I only buy from people with high
> ratings and I've almost NEVER had a problem with anything I've bought. I had
> a problem with a totally inaccurate description of condition from a
> respected dealer whom I'm sure you all know and instead of leaving bad
> feedback I cut him a break and sent him an e-mail telling him that I
> probably will not bid from him again. At least I got an apology. These
> days an apology goes a long way. The only time in recent history that I left
> a negative was for an electronics dealer who sold me a piece of equipment
> that was sold as brand new and was totally defective. I called him on the
> phone and he was defensive and rude and he refused to exchange or refund the
> purchase price. He insisted I deal directly with the manufacturer, so I left
> him a negative based on his poor customer service. He sent me a form through
> Ebay begging for a retraction and I would not comply. The guy was just a
> very bad businessman.
>
> As a seller the only time I would want to leave a bad feedback is for
> non-payment and Ebay now does not allow this anymore. So the same stiffs
> that never pay for anything they purchase on Ebay ---people like Nick
> Ventola -- get a free pass. What I usually try to do is get other buyers who
> have had recent non-payment problems with the same user to report this to
> Ebay. After three non-payment complaints in a month, Ebay usually kicks the
> offending buyer off Ebay. I also try to research their contact information
> since they usually have a bogus phone number as their Ebay contact. This too
> I report to Ebay, since it's a blatant rules violation and that also gets
> the offending buyer kicked off.  Desperate times require desperate
> measures.
>
> FRANC
>
>  -Original Message-
> *From:* MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Michael
> B
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:47 AM
> *To:* MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> *Subject:* [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback
>
> how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it sparingly, and
> for what reason?
>
> deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?
>
> forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?
>
> 
>
> ???
>
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>
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[Franc]

I seldom leave bad feedback as a buyer. I only buy from people with high
ratings and I've almost NEVER had a problem with anything I've bought. I
had a problem with a totally inaccurate description of condition from a
respected dealer whom I'm sure you all know and instead of leaving bad
feedback I cut him a break and sent him an e-mail telling him that I
probably will not bid from him again. At least I got an apology. These
days an apology goes a long way. The only time in recent history that I
left a negative was for an electronics dealer who sold me a piece of
equipment that was sold as brand new and was totally defective. I called
him on the phone and he was defensive and rude and he refused to
exchange or refund the purchase price. He insisted I deal directly with
the manufacturer, so I left him a negative based on his poor customer
service. He sent me a form through Ebay begging for a retraction and I
would not comply. The guy was just a very bad businessman. 
 
As a seller the only time I would want to leave a bad feedback is for
non-payment and Ebay now does not allow this anymore. So the same stiffs
that never pay for anything they purchase on Ebay ---people like Nick
Ventola -- get a free pass. What I usually try to do is get other buyers
who have had recent non-payment problems with the same user to report
this to Ebay. After three non-payment complaints in a month, Ebay
usually kicks the offending buyer off Ebay. I also try to research their
contact information since they usually have a bogus phone number as
their Ebay contact. This too I report to Ebay, since it's a blatant
rules violation and that also gets the offending buyer kicked off.
Desperate times require desperate measures. 
 
FRANC 

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From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:47 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback


how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it sparingly,
and for what reason?

deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?

forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?



???

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Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

[Helmut Hamm]

I recently left negative feedback on an italian seller who charged my 
15 Euros (almost $24) shipping for a locandina.


When the (recycled) tube arrived, it had stamps for 2 Euros (a bit 
over $3) on it.


The seller admitted that these were his actual costs but told me I 
should have read the item description and refused a refund.


There's nothing wrong with a 'handling fee', but there IS a limit, so 
I left him an appropriate negative feedback.



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Re: [MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

[Erich Linder]

As seller (when it was possible): I did maybe twice out of 400+
transactions.  Both times after a month or two or THREE of wrangling with a
lying jackass.

As a buyer: Only twice, when a French seller LIED about what he was selling
(conveniently cropping the photo to eliminate characteristics of the poster)
and when a UK seller threw a valuable LC in an envelope, apparently hoping
it would be destroyed on the way to the US.  His wish came true.

-Erich

www.posterdemic.com


On 7/17/08, Michael B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?  do you do it sparingly, and
> for what reason?
>
> deceptive description  grossly and deceptive?
>
> forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?
>
> 
>
> ???
>
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Re: [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay

[Erich Linder]

If it helps those that despise eBay, the stock is down 14% from the market
close yesterday since they are clearly growing at a much slower pace.  That
means about $5 BILLION in market capitalization just vaporized.  Ouch.

-Erich

www.posterdemic.com


On 7/17/08, JOHN REID Vintage Movie Memorabilia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>  .and they are still making bucket loads of money despite all the doom
> and gloom.
>
> *eBay reported financial results for its second quarter ended June 30,
> 2008, posting second quarter revenue of $2.20 billion, up $361 million from
> the same period last year. Volume for the Marketplaces business was $15.68
> billion for the quarter, an increase of 8% over the second quarter of 2007.
> *
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> *Sent:* Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:13 PM
> *Subject:* [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay
>
>
>
> Everyone was so quick to point out the French Court decision holding eBay
> liable for millions, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Tiffany's
> has lost their case against eBay here in the US.
>
>
>
>
> http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2008/tc20080714_151194.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_technology
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[MOPO] FA: Ending Sunday! Singin' in the Rain, Star Wars, Chinatown, Jaws, Godzilla, Batman, The Godfather, The Sting, Rollerball, More!

[Petty, John - 1283]

Heritage Auction Galleries' latest Sunday Internet Movie Poster 
Auction
 featuring 421 lots, closes on Sunday, July 20, 2008 at 10pm CT. Don't miss out 
on your opportunity to bid on these wonderful posters and many more!

New auctions with hundreds of new items every week.
To view all 421 lots click 
here:

Highlights of the auction include:

Singin' in the 
Rain
 (MGM, 1952). Window Card (14" X 22").

Star 
Wars
 (20th Century Fox, 1977). Three Sheet (41" X 81") Style A.

Chinatown
 (Paramount, 1974). One Sheet (27" X 41") Tri-Folded.

Cat on a Hot Tin 
Roof
 (MGM, 1958). Poster (40" X 60").

Jaws
 (Universal, 1975). One Sheet (27" X 41") Tri-Folded.

Fiend Without a 
Face
 (MGM, 1958). Half Sheet (22" X 28").

Godzilla
 (Paramount, 1956). Italian Locandina (18.75" X 26.75").

The Return of Frank 
James
 (20th Century Fox, 1940). One Sheet (27" X 41").

Batman
 (20th Century Fox, 1966). One Sheet (27" X 41").

Remember Pearl 
Harbor
 (Republic, 1942). One Sheet (27" X 41").

The 
Godfather
 (Paramount, 1972). Six Sheet (81" X 81") Advance.

The 
Sting
 (Universal, 1973). One Sheet (27" X 41") Tri-Folded.

Rollerball
 (United Artists, 1975). Mini Lobby Card Set of 8 (8" X 10").

Ceiling 
Zero
 (Warner Brothers, 1936). Photoplay Book (124 Pages, 5" X 7.5").



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Re: [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay

[Kirby McDaniel]

Yes, but whoever heard (or wants to hear) of BREAKFAST AT EBAY?

K.

WWW.MOVIEART.NET
where we have 20,000 posters that are anxious to get into your britches
On Jul 17, 2008, at 1:38 AM, David Kusumoto wrote:

I think it's because it's become so fashionable by some to hate  
eBay-fleaBay with such venom -- that it's too humbling or  
embarrassing to note when eBay-fleaBay has "turned the tables,"  
even temporarily.  eBay's impending "demise" has been written like  
a "foregone conclusion" on these boards by a lot of people.  They  
may turn out to be right, and indeed, I've taken some of my  
business elsewhere -- but this doesn't mean I'm ready to pound a  
wooden stake through it.  Of course, if I was a seller with  
inventory to display every week, I might feel differently -- so I  
understand why some sellers are so angry and have abandoned eBay.   
About 1800 of my 2200 pos. feedbacks are as a buyer, however, so I  
continue to browse pre-selected searches in my account.


-kuz.


Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:13:55 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU


Everyone was so quick to point out the French Court decision  
holding eBay liable for millions, but I’m surprised no one has  
mentioned that Tiffany’s has lost their case against eBay here in  
the US.


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[MOPO] Leaving Bad Feedback

[Michael B]

how often do you ACTUALLY leave bad feedback?? do you do it sparingly, and for 
what reason?

deceptive description? grossly and deceptive?

forever to ship or bad packahing causing damage?



???

??

?

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Re: [MOPO] packaging instructions

[Bruce Hershenson]

I think I have more experience with this than almost anyone, since I get 10
or more packages most days, and most are consignments from non-poster
non-dealers.

I describe several saliant packaging points with everyone. The three most
important tube points:

1) If you send a tube, and you can't stand on it without it giving way (even
a little bit) it is not strong enough

2) Never use clear tape. It tears easily, and I get a fair amount of tubes
with one end open (only a couple of times were they empty, but that was the
grace of God!)

3) Never leave even an inch of empty space at either end of the tube. The
contents slide back and forth over and over and end up creased on both ends.
Use crumpled plastic to fill the little empty space at each end, and it also
pads and protects the posters well.

Bruce

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Michael B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  is it rude to politely address packaging concerns with ebay sellers that
> you know are not "poster people"?  of course not, but it is a tricky
> e-mail exchange.  phone calls are better since you can inject humor.
>
> 3 weeks ago, from a non-poster dealer i got one of those flimsy, thin tubes
> (containing a rolled B style Stalag 17).  my postman saw me and said,
> "Michael, you're not gonna want to see this."  the tube was a bit crushed at
> one end and very wet at the same end (leak in USPS truck).  I GOT LUCKY.
> since it was a huge tube, the poster shifted to the other side and was not
> affected.  the inside of the tube was wet on the one end only, and the
> poster did NOT have any plastic bag around it.
>
> i have never received a damaged poster.  i have received many damaged
> pieces (non-posters) from france to which a few sellers made adjustment or
> refunds when i took photographs.  paypal never provided me with assistance
> until i said: either give me the credit or i will call AMERICAN EXPRESS and
> they will stop payment for me.  (AMEX is the best, and payapl truly fears
> their customer support.)  imagine a french dealer sending a delicate item in
> a pampers box with mininal newspaper insulationit broke!!
>
> however, it is such a fine line to tell someone how to wrap.  i once
> bought 2 tall mirrors (from an old theatre from upstate NY), and told the
> seller of my concern after i won, and the seller seemed unfriendly about my
> statement.  (the packaging was superb.)
>
> but, yes, i received flimsy tubes.  i once received an insert in a manila
> envelope without any surrounding cardboard from a big UK dealer.  i got
> lucky.  THE LADY IN THE LAKE was undamaged.  as i said, i have seen many bad
> packages arrive, but never have i received a damaged poster.
>
> REMEMBER..GETTING A FULL REFUND FOR A DAMAGED POSTER OR A MIS-DESCRIBED
> ITEM still causes such disappointment to the buyer.
>
> similarly, i never received a bad complaint about my packaging.
>
> last week, i sold a poster to a big dealer.who told me how to wrap (a
> flat, folded--in quarters--half-sheet).  after that we exchanged a few nice
> emails laughing about bad packaging, because he said he has been burnt.  i
> was not insulted...but some might be insulted when told how to wrap.
>
> I am having an expensive hitchock unfloded half sheet sent to me today.
> after speaking with the seller on the phone, i have no fear  in fact, he
> uses a professional packer, and told me he will ship it flat, although i
> would have no problem with a strong (PVC) tube.
>
> HOW CAN YOU DELICATELY TELL A SELLER TO WRAP WELL?
>
> michael
>
>
>
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Re: [MOPO] packaging instructions

[Franc]

Here's my problem Michael with your e-mail. My US sales are always fully
insured. I insist on that or I won't make a sale. International sales
are another matter since it is wildly expensive to insure foreign
packages. Also many foreign buyers ask that the customs declaration be
kept to a minimum value.  Given that the buyer opts for an uninsured
shipment and given that I do everything in my power to ship securely in
heavy-duty tubes or cartons, why should I take the responsibility of
reimbursing the buyer if the Postal Service damages his shipment? The
buyer took the risk even though I advised that it would be better to
insure the parcel? As a dealer, one has customers who whine over the
price of shipping and insurance but are the first to complain if even a
corner of a parcel is damaged. You can't have it both ways.  FRANC 

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Michael B
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:54 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: [MOPO] packaging instructions



is it rude to politely address packaging concerns with ebay sellers that
you know are not "poster people"?  of course not, but it is a tricky
e-mail exchange.  phone calls are better since you can inject humor. 
 
3 weeks ago, from a non-poster dealer i got one of those flimsy, thin
tubes (containing a rolled B style Stalag 17).  my postman saw me and
said, "Michael, you're not gonna want to see this."  the tube was a bit
crushed at one end and very wet at the same end (leak in USPS truck).  I
GOT LUCKY.  since it was a huge tube, the poster shifted to the other
side and was not affected.  the inside of the tube was wet on the one
end only, and the poster did NOT have any plastic bag around it.
 
i have never received a damaged poster.  i have received many damaged
pieces (non-posters) from france to which a few sellers made adjustment
or refunds when i took photographs.  paypal never provided me with
assistance until i said: either give me the credit or i will call
AMERICAN EXPRESS and they will stop payment for me.  (AMEX is the best,
and payapl truly fears their customer support.)  imagine a french dealer
sending a delicate item in a pampers box with mininal newspaper
insulationit broke!!
 
however, it is such a fine line to tell someone how to wrap.  i once
bought 2 tall mirrors (from an old theatre from upstate NY), and told
the seller of my concern after i won, and the seller seemed unfriendly
about my statement.  (the packaging was superb.)   
 
but, yes, i received flimsy tubes.  i once received an insert in a
manila envelope without any surrounding cardboard from a big UK dealer.
i got lucky.  THE LADY IN THE LAKE was undamaged.  as i said, i have
seen many bad packages arrive, but never have i received a damaged
poster. 
 
REMEMBER..GETTING A FULL REFUND FOR A DAMAGED POSTER OR A
MIS-DESCRIBED ITEM still causes such disappointment to the buyer.
 
similarly, i never received a bad complaint about my packaging.  
 
last week, i sold a poster to a big dealer.who told me how to wrap
(a flat, folded--in quarters--half-sheet).  after that we exchanged a
few nice emails laughing about bad packaging, because he said he has
been burnt.  i was not insulted...but some might be insulted when
told how to wrap.
 
I am having an expensive hitchock unfloded half sheet sent to me today.
after speaking with the seller on the phone, i have no fear  in
fact, he uses a professional packer, and told me he will ship it flat,
although i would have no problem with a strong (PVC) tube. 
 
HOW CAN YOU DELICATELY TELL A SELLER TO WRAP WELL? 
 
michael




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Re: [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay

[Franc]

The French courts are much more protective of copyrights, trademarks and
droite morale than US courts. This does not surprise me at all.  FRANC

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I do not think we have necessarily heard the last of this one yet.
Phil

- Original Message - 
From: Sean Linkenback   
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:13 PM
Subject: [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay


Everyone was so quick to point out the French Court decision holding
eBay liable for millions, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned that
Tiffany's has lost their case against eBay here in the US.

 

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[MOPO] packaging instructions

[Michael B]

is it rude to politely address packaging concerns with ebay  sellers that you 
know are not "poster people"?  of course not, but it  is a tricky e-mail 
exchange.  phone calls are better since you can inject  humor. 
 
3 weeks ago, from a non-poster dealer i got one of those flimsy, thin  tubes 
(containing a rolled B style Stalag 17).  my postman saw me and  said, 
"Michael, you're not gonna want to see this."  the tube was a bit  crushed at 
one end 
and very wet at the same end (leak in USPS truck).   I GOT LUCKY.  since it 
was a huge tube, the poster shifted to the other  side and was not affected.  
the inside of the tube was wet on the one  end only, and the poster did NOT 
have any plastic bag around it.
 
i have never received a damaged poster.  i have  received many damaged pieces 
(non-posters) from france to which a few  sellers made adjustment or refunds 
when i took photographs.  paypal never  provided me with assistance until i 
said: either give me the credit or  i will call AMERICAN EXPRESS and they will 
stop payment for me.  (AMEX is  the best, and payapl truly fears their customer 
support.)  imagine a french  dealer sending a delicate item in a pampers box 
with mininal newspaper  insulationit broke!!
 
however, it is such a fine line to tell someone how to wrap.  i  once bought 
2 tall mirrors (from an old theatre from upstate NY), and told  the seller of 
my concern after i won, and the seller seemed unfriendly  about my statement.  
(the packaging was superb.)   
 
but, yes, i received flimsy tubes.  i once received an insert in  a manila 
envelope without any surrounding cardboard from a big UK dealer.   i got lucky. 
 
THE LADY IN THE LAKE was undamaged.  as i said, i have  seen many bad 
packages arrive, but never have i received a damaged  poster. 
 
REMEMBER..GETTING A FULL REFUND FOR A DAMAGED POSTER OR A MIS-DESCRIBED  
ITEM still causes such disappointment to the buyer.
 
similarly, i never received a bad complaint about my  packaging.  
 
last week, i sold a poster to a big dealer.who told me how to  wrap (a 
flat, folded--in quarters--half-sheet).  after that we  exchanged a few nice 
emails laughing about bad packaging, because he said he has  been burnt.  i was 
not insulted...but some might be insulted when told  how to wrap.
 
I am having an expensive hitchock unfloded half sheet sent to me  today.  
after speaking with the seller on the phone, i have no  fear  in fact, he 
uses a professional packer, and told me he will ship  it flat, although i would 
have no problem with a strong (PVC) tube. 
 
HOW CAN YOU DELICATELY TELL A SELLER TO WRAP WELL? 
 
michael



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Re: [MOPO] Bruce's Auctions

[Bruce Hershenson]

I think another good example of this was the recent King Kong. Some
reviewers had a problem with Naomi Watts defying the laws of physics by
standing waving her arms on the Empire State Building, but they had the
ability to accept the many other wacky aspects of the movie. For some
reason, just that one bothered them.

Personally, I am able to suspend disbelief quite well. All I ask is that the
movie be well paced, and that I am entertained. My own pet peeve in an
action movie or comedy is when the lead character or villain stands still
for a few minutes and gives a long explanation of why all the characters did
what they did. I never care about the explanation, because it is almost
always mumbo jumbo anyway. I much prefer Hitchcock's type of explanation,
where it is simply "something" that everyone wants, and they don't explain
it at all.

Bruce

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Patrick Michael Tupy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Theater of the mind...a roller coaster for the grey matter, baby.
> Intellectually, sure, as a glib statement, a ventriloquist on the radio is
> absurd on it's face,  but is it any more absurd than when people complain
> that Lois Lane can't see that Clarke Kent is Superman with his feeble pair
> of glasses as
> his only disguise?  Fine, we can't make THAT leap but we easily accept that
> the guy is able to leap tall buildings in a single bound?  We all pick and
> choose to accept, picture in our minds, BELIEVE what we need to in order to
> accept the story or not.  If you can picture Edgar Bergen with a wooden
> dummy on his lap named Chuck McCarthy while listening on the radio, you're
> already a 'believer.'  That's the genius of great storytelling and great
> radio.
>
> The ability to suspend your disbelief (or suspend your reliance on the
> sensible, the practical, the empirical) is what makes all stories possible.
> Some folks are less inclined to believe unless they see pictures.  So movies
> are easier for them but still, a suspension of disbelief is central for the
> success of film stories just as for radio plays.  For movies it's believing
> that Welles is KANE, that Flynn is Robin Hood, that Nicholson and Morgan
> Freeman are dying...suspend your disbelief and all stories are fact, and
> anything is possible.  And thus, by extension, the success of Religion...and
> the wars fought over belief of which tales occurred, which hero's
> existed...who's Obi Wan was actually wise, who's wise man is a villain,
> who's 'right,' who's 'wrong' and whether or not the dummy on this fellas lap
> is  real or was made of wood and whole cloth.
>
> No disrespect to anyone's particular belief system, just an observation of
> how the process of believing, of having faith and accepting the incredible
> is absolutely central to the acceptance of most any story.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Jeff Potokar wrote:
>
> roger,
> -do a little reading on the duo and you will know why they were so popular
> and loved--even on the radio.
>
> it was also a different time and world.. simple ways to entertain the
> masses.
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>  On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Roger Kim wrote:
>
>  For some inexplicable reason, they had one of the most popular radio
> shows during the golden age of radio. It makes no sense that they let a
> ventriloquist on the radio. It's almost as bad as putting a mime on the
> radio. I think it's one of the great mysteries of the universe that the show
> worked.
>
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Re: [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay

[Bruce Hershenson]

A related story from Fortune online Legal
Pad With
Roger Parloff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
 Is eBay complying with the French court order?

Though eBay (EBAY ) is
still basking in its recent
victoryin
Manhattan federal court — where a district judge Monday rejected
Tiffany's (TIF ) attempts to
hold it responsible for counterfeit sales of "Tiffany" silver jewelry — I
need to crash the party with a ticklish question. It stems from eBay's
recent 
lossesto
Rolex, Hermès International, and LVMH Moët Hennessy Louis Vuitton (
LVMUY ) regarding the
same issues in German and French courts.

There's a live French court
injunctionagainst
eBay at the moment forbidding it from allowing any sales of four
specific LVMH perfumes — Givenchy, Guerlain, Kenzo, and Christian Dior — on
any of its sites accessible from France. But, from all I can tell, eBay
doesn't seem to be in compliance with it. (The injunction is not limited to
counterfeit sales, but extends even to sales of *genuine* perfumes. That's
because LVMH sells these perfumes only through licensed exclusive
distributors, who are not authorized to sell them over eBay, and the French
court is honoring and enforcing LVMH's exclusive distributing contracts.
U.S. courts will not ordinarily do that, since sales of genuine articles
through unauthorized channels — "gray-marketeering" –  is generally
considered legal here and beneficial to the consumer.)

Here's what I mean. Go to http://www.ebay.fr/ and do a search for "Kenzo
parfum" — or any of the other forbidden brands — and see if you still don't
get dozens of responses.

Of course, I'm in New York, so it's conceivable that eBay's using some sort
of geographic filtering technique that isn't blocking me from seeing those
offerings, but which does block viewers who are logging on in France, in
which case everything would be fine.

So I asked an LVMH spokesperson what they're seeing in France when they do
those searches.

She wrote back yesterday (July 15), "As of this morning, if one visited
those sites — ebay.com and ebay.fr — in France, a significant number of the
perfumes appear for sale. That is not in compliance with the injunction."

So then I asked eBay: Am I misunderstanding the injunction, or is eBay still
not yet in compliance?

"You are not misunderstanding the injunction," a spokeswoman from eBay
Europe politely wrote back. "We are actively working towards finding an
effective solution. We will comply as technically and humanly possible. I
will keep you . . .  posted when we have some news to share in this
direction."

But today is July 16 and the injunction — which had been foreseeable for
months — was issued on June 30, and eBay lost its attempt to stay its
immediate impact last Friday (July 11). Courts don't respond well when
defendants don't carry out their orders. As Microsoft found out a few years
ago, telling judges that, in effect, they "just don't get the technology"
doesn't play well.

(Here, by the way, is an interesting blog item from Joe Nocera at *The New
York Times*, entitled "EBay's Pyrrhic
Victory,"on
the
*Tiffany* ruling.)

*Some Technical Stuff: *

For those who have been trying to understand exactly what the French ruling
does and doesn't do, reporters — including me — have not been making things
crystal clear for you.

What I and others have been calling "the LVMH ruling" is really a trio of
rulings in three related cases. All were decided on June 30 by the
Commercial Court of Paris, and the cumulative damage award imposed upon eBay
from all three totaled more than $60 million. The cases include:

1. *Louis Vuitton Malletier v. eBay*: This is a case for damages for
counterfeit sales of handbags, fashion accessories, and ready-to-wear items
sold on eBay's sites from about 2001 to 2006. LVM did not seek an injunction
in this case. Here is the English language version of the
ruling.
(Here's the French language
version
.)

2. *Christian Dior Couture v. eBay*: This is also a case for damages for
past counterfeit sales of handbags, fashion accessories, and ready-to-wear
items. I don't have an English language version yet. (The French ruling can
be found 
here
.)

3. *Parfums Christian Dior v. eBay:* This is the case relating to the four
LVMH perfumes: Givenchy, Gu

Re: [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay

[Phil Edwards]

I do not think we have necessarily heard the last of this one yet.
Phil
  - Original Message - 
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  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 4:13 PM
  Subject: [MOPO] Tiffany's vs. eBay


  Everyone was so quick to point out the French Court decision holding eBay 
liable for millions, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned that Tiffany's has 
lost their case against eBay here in the US.

   

  
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