[MOPO] Oscars

[Tommy Barr]

They should have guessed that Bonnie and Clyde would try to stage a robbery!

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[MOPO] Oscars

[channinglylethomson]

I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the  
worst one ever. .


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[MOPO] OSCARS

[Alan Heimann]

Clearly Franco was not there...even in his green room interview before the
show began he looked tired and was basically paying lip service to the
interveiwer his mind was elswhere as it was through the show..he looked like
a deer caught in the headlights and Hathaway couldn't do it on her own..As
for Kirk douglas god bless him he was actually appropriate and funny..many
people find it difficult to watch a physically impaired person in such a
forum for more than a short period of time..i think he was great and
inspirational..one thing i particularly liked was the way Jeff Bridges and
Sandra Bullock  introduced the nominees for the best actor and actress it
was a nice weaving of personal and professional aspects of the nominees that
they brought to the movies they were in...one last thought why not do away
with gender based categories and have best actor or actress as one category
and the same for best supporting...Alan

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[MOPO] Oscars

[Doug Taylor]

If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3
hours of our lives.

 

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[MOPO] OSCARS

[Flixspix]

STAGE DOOR has just started on TCM!  After hearing the  interminable intros 
of each supporting actress by past winners  .I promise you Kate, 
Adolph, Lucy, Ginger and cast will be far more  
entertaining...BTW this movie buries THE WOMEN  my guess  its 
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[MOPO] Oscars

[channinglylethomson]

Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years.   
My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read  
even on a 37" HD flatscreen screen.  I thought it moved petty fast,  
Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were  
uniformly well selected.  I do wonder, however, if I am the only one  
who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award  
was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the  
first place).  As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film.   
Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP --  
to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but  
SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the  
Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put  
together film.


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[MOPO] OSCARS 80TH

[Kirby McDaniel]

I thought the show was pretty good considering the problems that  
surrounded its production.
Political jokes have been around the Oscars for years, so that's  
nothing new.  Jon Stewart
smirky little presence is perfect for the Oscars in this era.  This  
years films were so serious
and so good, overall, in my humble opinion, that it was hard to poke  
fun at the films themselves,
which is often a part of the levity of the show.  I don't pay too  
much attention to the clothes, but
I went to a great Oscar party with great food and good folk, and some  
of them do pay attention
to this -- and they said the clothes were not so great.   Cameron  
Diaz looked like she just got out

of bed and Nicole Kidman needed to straighten those diamonds.

The awards themselves I did not have too much of a quarrel with.  I  
would have liked
Hal Holbrook to have won, but what do I know?  And I think if I had  
to vote I would have
had a hard time choosing between JUNO and NO COUNTRY for Best  
Picture.  There
were a lot of difficult choices for academy members because in  
general the competition

was stiff.

Overlooked unfortunately: 3:10 TO YUMA

And THE BOURNE IDENTITY walked away with three Oscars.  You could not
pay me to sit through that again.

Kirby



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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Toochis Morin]

Yep.





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I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one 
ever. .

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Judith Weaver]

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way.  I was bored stiff.  I changed 
channels halfway through and then went back at the end to see which won Best 
Picture (King's Speech was my choice and I enjoyed the movie very much).   But 
as they say, that's what makes horse racing.

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Yep.

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I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one 
ever. .

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Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

At 05:32 PM 2/28/2011, Alan Heimann wrote:
why not do away with gender based categories and have best actor or 
actress as one category and the same for best supporting...Alan


Alan.. I think making all things in life endogenous would be a 
negative and not a positive


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[MOPO] Oscars 2007

[Andy Neal]

Congratulations to Marty picking up 4 Oscars - Long time over-due on the best 
Director.I personaly don't think the Departed is one of his masterpeices, but 
just goes to show you that mainstream wins you prizes i guess. I'd chose Raging 
Bull, Goodfellas, The Deer Hunter, Mean Streets any day over the departed but 
that's showbizWell done Marty, you got there in the end. MULTIPLE 
OSCAR WINNERS4: The Departed3: Pan's Labyrinth2: An Inconvenient Truth2: 
Dreamgirls2: Little Miss Sunshine
Cheers
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[MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Andy Neal]

And the Winners are...
 
Best PictureWinner: Crash Brokeback MountainGood Night and Good LuckMunichCapote
 


Best Director Winner: Ang Lee - Brokeback MountainSteven Spielberg - Munich Paul Haggis - CrashBennett Miller - CapoteGeorge Clooney - Good Night and Good Luck
 


Best ActorWinner: Philip Seymour Hoffman - CapoteDavid Strathairn - Good Night and Good LuckHeath Ledger - Brokeback Mountain Joaquin Phoenix - Walk the LineTerrence Howard - Hustle and Flow
 


Best ActressWinner: Reese Witherspoon - Walk the LineDame Judi Dench - Mrs Henderson PresentsFelicity Huffman - TransamericaCharlize Theron - North CountryKeira Knightley - Pride and Prejudice
 


Best Supporting ActorWinner: George Clooney - SyrianaJake Gyllenhaal - Brokeback MountainPaul Giamatti - Cinderella ManMatt Dillon - CrashWilliam Hurt - A History of Violence
 


Best Supporting ActressWinner: Rachel Weisz - The Constant GardenerMichelle Williams - Brokeback MountainFrances McDormand - North CountryAmy Adams - JunebugCatherine Keener - Capote
 


Best Documentary Feature Winner: March of the PenguinsDarwin's NightmareEnron: The Smartest Guys in the Room MurderballStreet Fight
 


Best Foreign Language Film Winner: Tsotsi (South Africa) Don't Tell (Italy) Joyeux Noel (France) Paradise Now (Palestinian territories) Sophie Scholl - The Final Days(Germany)
 


Best Film EditingWinner: Crash Cinerella Man The Constant Gardener Munich Walk the Line
 
Best Cinematography Winner: Memoirs of a GeishaBatman BeginsBrokeback MountainGood Night and Good LuckThe New World
 


Best Adapted ScreenplayWinner: Brokeback Mountain CapoteThe Constant GardenerA History of Violence Munich
 
Best Original Screenplay Winner: CrashGood Night and Good LuckMatch PointThe Squid and the WhaleSyriana
 


Best Visual EffectsWinner: King KongThe Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the WardrobeWar of the Worlds
 


Best Animated Feature FilmWinner: Wallace and Gromit in the Curse of the Were-RabbitHowl's Moving CastleCorpse Bride
 


Best Art Direction Winner: Memoirs of a GeishaGood Night and Good LuckHarry Potter and the Goblet of FireKing Kong Pride and Prejudice
 


Best Costume DesignWinner: Memoirs of a GeishaCharlie and the Chocolate FactoryMrs Henderson PresentsPride and PrejudiceWalk the Line
 


Best Make-up Winner: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the WardrobeCinderella Man Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
 


Best Sound MixingWinner: King Kong The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the WardrobeMemoirs of a GeishaWalk the LineWar of the Worlds
 


Best Music (Score) Winner: Brokeback Mountain The Constant Gardener Memoirs of a Geisha MunichPride and Prejudice
 
Best Music (Song)Winner: It's Hard Out Here for a Pimp - Hustle and FlowIn the Deep - CrashTravelin' Thru - Transamerica
 


Sound EditingWinner: King KongMemoirs of a GeishaWar of the Worlds
 


Lifetime Achievement AwardDirector and writer Robert Altman
 
 


OSCAR SHORTS AWARDS
 


Best Short Film Winner: Six Shooter Ausreisser (The Runaway) Cashback The Last Farm Our Time is Up
 


Best Documentary Short SubjectWinner: A Note of Triumph: The Golden ge of Norman Corwin The Death of Kevin Carter: Casualty of the Bang Bang Club God Sleeps in Rwanda The Mushroom Club
 
 
 
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Jeff Potokar]

i agree doug...

that was PATHETIC.

jeff


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If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most  
grueling 3 hours of our lives.


My gawd.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Walton, Jeffrey]

who the hell is Huge Jackman?...I'm going to bed


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i agree doug...

that was PATHETIC.

jeff


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Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

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Goldie's face looked like a bad balloon animal.

 

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STAGE DOOR has just started on TCM!  After hearing the interminable intros
of each supporting actress by past winners .I promise you Kate,
Adolph, Lucy, Ginger and cast will be far more
entertaining...BTW this movie buries THE WOMEN  my guess its
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[jim]

I actually enjoyed the oscars forthe first time in many years.Jackman was
better than most the idea of five past winners in a catorgory, presenting
that catagory, recognizes the continuity of the academy. The roundup
synopsis at the beginning of some of the catorgories was well done.And
finally the majority of the acceptance speeches were both short and non
political.

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  STAGE DOOR has just started on TCM!  After hearing the interminable intros
of each supporting actress by past winners .I promise you Kate,
Adolph, Lucy, Ginger and cast will be far more
entertaining...BTW this movie buries THE WOMEN  my guess its
because of the calla lilies.

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Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Dave Rosen]

I found the whole show about the same as it always is on the tedium level; 
which is to say quite high. But I also think that's almost inevitable in any 
awards show, whether it's the Oscars or your local Jaycee's Young Entrepreneurs 
of the Year.

No matter what, they just can't get away from reading lists of names, then 
naming a winner who makes a speech that usually only means something to 
themselves and their immediate family. That's the nature of the beast.

That said, I found this year's "innovations" kind of laughable, consisting 
mainly of even more self-congratulation, like there isn't already enough of 
that.

The big salute to musicals was a disaster; overblown, confusing and totally 
soulless (btw, Beyonce, who we already see wy too much of, lip-synced 
through it while most, if not all, the other performers sang live, not that I 
was watching all that closely). Then I found out it was produced by Baz 
Luhrmann and that explained everything.

And I agree with whoever was disappointed with the In Memorium segment. With 
all the swooping camera shots of the screen on the stage, half the time I 
couldn't make out the names of those being honored, which is REALLY unfair to 
those whose faces we might not recognize, like screenwriters.

But basically, as I said, tedious. A corporate industry event that just happens 
to include celebrities. But of course I watched (nearly) every minute. It's a 
guilty pleasure.

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  I actually enjoyed the oscars forthe first time in many years.Jackman was 
better than most the idea of five past winners in a catorgory, presenting that 
catagory, recognizes the continuity of the academy. The roundup synopsis at the 
beginning of some of the catorgories was well done.And finally the majority of 
the acceptance speeches were both short and non political.

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STAGE DOOR has just started on TCM!  After hearing the interminable intros 
of each supporting actress by past winners .I promise you Kate, 
Adolph, Lucy, Ginger and cast will be far more 
entertaining...BTW this movie buries THE WOMEN  my guess its 
because of the calla lilies. 

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Alan Heimann]

hey channing.as concerns the Ledger win,  i can't comment in comparison
to competition as i haven't seen the  other  films i'm guessing hoffman was
excellent , but i do think ledgers  portrayal of the joker was
rivetingbut i don't agree with lumping forest gump with films not
deserving of a best film award..i think it is one of the best movies in the
last 20 years...Aln


   
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Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years.
My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read
even on a 37" HD flatscreen screen.  I thought it moved petty fast,
Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were
uniformly well selected.  I do wonder, however, if I am the only one
who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award
was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the
first place).  As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film.
Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP --
to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but
SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the
Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put
together film.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Robert D. Brooks]

I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by Heath 
Ledger as The Joker and feel his award  was strictly a sympathy vote (I 
didn't even like the movie in the first place).


No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of the 
biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big loads of crap! 
It must mark the very first time in Academy history where an actor has won 
top honours for portraying a character that made no sense and had absolutely 
no motivation - but, hey, at least he did it in ridiculously poor makeup 
while babbling incoherently...


The Academy has some explaining to do for this one...

Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - 
even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a famous 
actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???


Cheers,

Bob


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To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: [MOPO] Oscars


Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years.   My 
only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read  even on 
a 37" HD flatscreen screen.  I thought it moved petty fast,  Hugh Jackman 
was personable and charming, and the awards were  uniformly well selected. 
I do wonder, however, if I am the only one  who was underwhelmed by Heath 
Ledger as The Joker and feel his award  was strictly a sympathy vote (I 
didn't even like the movie in the  first place).  As to SLUMDOG, I think 
it was probably the best film.   Past years winners like DRIVING MISS 
DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP --  to name a few, really didn't deserve the 
award, in my opinion, but  SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and 
I'm glad to see the  Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, 
moving, well-put  together film.


Channing thomson

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Jeff Potokar]

Here, Here!!

No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of  
the biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big  
loads of crap! It must mark the very first time in Academy history  
where an actor has won top honours for portraying a character that  
made no sense and had absolutely no motivation - but, hey, at least  
he did it in ridiculously poor makeup while babbling incoherently...


this kind of sympathy vote really makes one wonder about how the  
academy truly considers a vote. this award was a no brainer, as far  
as who was thought to be the winner (and i am talking even as far  
back as last march..LOL).


the OBIT tribute was a mess, truly insulting with cameras on boom  
arms, cutting off the names and titles, at times, as well as often  
being too far back. why change the way these have been done in the  
past--using a some appropriate instrumental along with full screen  
images or clips of those that have passed.


the musical montage was also a mess (can one say musical variety  
hour?) and i was rather unimpressed with the various short montages  
that were titled such things as ROMANCE IN 2008 and ACTION IN 2008.


hugh jackman's hoofing and singing also got to be too much--he  
certainly is NO fred astaire.


jeff





On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Robert D. Brooks wrote:

I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by  
Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award  was strictly a  
sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place).


No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of  
the biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big  
loads of crap! It must mark the very first time in Academy history  
where an actor has won top honours for portraying a character that  
made no sense and had absolutely no motivation - but, hey, at least  
he did it in ridiculously poor makeup while babbling incoherently...


The Academy has some explaining to do for this one...

Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you  
ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything  
other than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural)  
voice???


Cheers,

Bob


- Original Message - From: "channinglylethomson"  


To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: [MOPO] Oscars


Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past  
years.   My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was  
unable to read  even on a 37" HD flatscreen screen.  I thought it  
moved petty fast,  Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and  
the awards were  uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if  
I am the only one  who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The  
Joker and feel his award  was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't  
even like the movie in the  first place).  As to SLUMDOG, I think  
it was probably the best film.   Past years winners like DRIVING  
MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP --  to name a few, really didn't  
deserve the award, in my opinion, but  SLUMDOG was an outstanding,  
original film and I'm glad to see the  Oscars award Best Picture  
to a really original, moving, well-put  together film.


Channing thomson

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Franc]

Ditto on Heath Ledger.  He deserved an Oscar for Brokeback Mt, not that
Batman piece of dreck. FRANC 
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Subject: [MOPO] Oscars


Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past years.   
My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was unable to read  
even on a 37" HD flatscreen screen.  I thought it moved petty fast,  
Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the awards were  
uniformly well selected.  I do wonder, however, if I am the only one  
who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award  
was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the  
first place).  As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably the best film.   
Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN MAN, FOREST GUMP --  
to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, in my opinion, but  
SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and I'm glad to see the  
Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, moving, well-put  
together film.

Channing thomson

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

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>-Original Message-
>Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - 
>even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a
>famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

Yes.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Glenn Taranto]

Sean -

I liked TDK.  I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was 
certainly a movie I'd watch again.  As to Heath Ledger.  Great performance but 
I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young.

My 2 cents...

Glenn T.
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  Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars


  >-Original Message-
  >Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever - 
  >even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a
  >famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

  Yes.

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  Knight.
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Dario Casadei]

*I thought this was the best presentation in a very long time.

I was torn between Penn and Rourke, but at the end of the day, Penn 
deserved the Oscar. Reason is, Rourke was pretty much himself, while 
Penn had to get in to character.


Naturally, I could be wrong, but that's how it felt to me watching these 
two great movies.


Best,
dario.
*

On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:47 AM, Robert D. Brooks wrote:

I do wonder, however, if I am the only one who was underwhelmed by 
Heath Ledger as The Joker and feel his award  was strictly a 
sympathy vote (I didn't even like the movie in the first place).


No Channing, Heath Ledger winning best supporting actor is one of the 
biggest loads of crap from an awards ceremony known for big loads of 
crap! It must mark the very first time in Academy history where an 
actor has won top honours for portraying a character that made no 
sense and had absolutely no motivation - but, hey, at least he did it 
in ridiculously poor makeup while babbling incoherently...


The Academy has some explaining to do for this one...

Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you 
ever - even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other 
than a famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???


Cheers,

Bob


- Original Message - From: "channinglylethomson" 


To: 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 8:15 AM
Subject: [MOPO] Oscars


Overall, I think it was a more entertaining show than in past 
years.   My only complaint would be the obituaries which I was 
unable to read  even on a 37" HD flatscreen screen.  I thought it 
moved petty fast,  Hugh Jackman was personable and charming, and the 
awards were  uniformly well selected. I do wonder, however, if I am 
the only one  who was underwhelmed by Heath Ledger as The Joker and 
feel his award  was strictly a sympathy vote (I didn't even like the 
movie in the  first place).  As to SLUMDOG, I think it was probably 
the best film.   Past years winners like DRIVING MISS DAISY, RAIN 
MAN, FOREST GUMP --  to name a few, really didn't deserve the award, 
in my opinion, but  SLUMDOG was an outstanding, original film and 
I'm glad to see the  Oscars award Best Picture to a really original, 
moving, well-put  together film.


Channing thomson

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Toochis Morin]

I loved Heath Ledger's performance.  I thought he deserved the award.  Damn I 
wish he were here rather than him getting the award.  He reached into something 
very difficult to get into the Joker character.  It was completely unlike him 
and he went for it.  I liked the film.  There are some very memorable moments.  
The scene of the Joker walking out dressed as a nurse and blowing up the 
hospital is priceless.

Toochis


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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Jeff Potokar]

i agree glenn..

why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily  
CHOSE to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death?  
what a moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking about  
the menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone for that?  
i guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the Academy. he WON  
because he OD's and was so young--period.


 it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack,  
prior to the awards, like peter finch did.


jeff




On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:


Sean -

I liked TDK.  I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it  
was certainly a movie I'd watch again.  As to Heath Ledger.  Great  
performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young.


My 2 cents...

Glenn T.
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars

>-Original Message-
>Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you  
ever -

>even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a
>famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

Yes.

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Knight.
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Glenn Taranto]

Jeff -

My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better

Glenn T.
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  To: Glenn Taranto 
  Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu 
  Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars


  i agree glenn..


  why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily CHOSE to 
consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death? what a moron. does 
anyone remember the initial stories talking about the menagerie of drugs found 
at his apt? why reward someone for that? i guess it's all very PC and gives 
good face to the Academy. he WON because he OD's and was so young--period. 


   it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack, prior to 
the awards, like peter finch did. 


  jeff








  On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:


Sean -

I liked TDK.  I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was 
certainly a movie I'd watch again.  As to Heath Ledger.  Great performance but 
I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young.

My 2 cents...

Glenn T.
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  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
  Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars


  >-Original Message-
  >Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever 
- 
  >even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a
  >famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

  Yes.

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  Knight.
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Jeff Potokar]

i should clarify, glenn..and Mopo..he wasnt awarded BECAUSE he  
OD'd now THAT would be just too much...lol


but...give it time... you never know...lol

jeff


On Feb 23, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:


Jeff -

My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better

Glenn T.
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To: Glenn Taranto
Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars

i agree glenn..

why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily  
CHOSE to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death?  
what a moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking  
about the menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone  
for that? i guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the  
Academy. he WON because he OD's and was so young--period.


 it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack,  
prior to the awards, like peter finch did.


jeff




On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:


Sean -

I liked TDK.  I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it  
was certainly a movie I'd watch again.  As to Heath Ledger.  Great  
performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young.


My 2 cents...

Glenn T.
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From: Sean Linkenback
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars

>-Original Message-
>Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did  
you ever -
>even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other  
than a

>famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

Yes.

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Knight.
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Franc]

I guess we know how you both feel about Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland and
Charles Boyer. FRANC

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Jeff -
 
My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better
 
Glenn T.

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To: Glenn Taranto <mailto:exit...@gte.net>  
Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu 
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars

i agree glenn.. 

why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily CHOSE
to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death? what a
moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking about the
menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone for that? i
guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the Academy. he WON
because he OD's and was so young--period.  

 it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack, prior
to the awards, like peter finch did. 

jeff




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Sean -
 
I liked TDK.  I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was
certainly a movie I'd watch again.  As to Heath Ledger.  Great
performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young.
 
My 2 cents...
 
Glenn T.

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>even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a
>famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Jeff Potokar]

franc,

your guess would be wrong, as i don't recall any of those 3 winning  
an oscar for a performance, after they had passed away.


THAT was the point and jist of the posts, not as to who had drug  
problems and succumbed to them.


jeff


On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Franc wrote:

I guess we know how you both feel about Marilyn Monroe, Judy  
Garland and Charles Boyer. FRANC

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Jeff -

My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better

Glenn T.
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Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars

i agree glenn..

why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily  
CHOSE to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death?  
what a moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking  
about the menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone  
for that? i guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the  
Academy. he WON because he OD's and was so young--period.


 it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack,  
prior to the awards, like peter finch did.


jeff




On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:


Sean -

I liked TDK.  I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it  
was certainly a movie I'd watch again.  As to Heath Ledger.  Great  
performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young.


My 2 cents...

Glenn T.
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>Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did  
you ever -
>even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other  
than a

>famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

Yes.

But then again, I'm one of the simpletons who actually liked The Dark
Knight.
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars

[Franc]

And the point of my post was that just because Heath had a stash of
drugs in his apartment and apparently did himself in, it doesn't
diminish his talent. Just as it didn't diminish the talents of Garland,
Monroe or Boyer. You post was way too unforgiving, even if I agree with
you that he didn't deserve the Oscar for that last role. Many Oscars
have been given for past performances that were slighted. FRANC


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franc, 

your guess would be wrong, as i don't recall any of those 3 winning an
oscar for a performance, after they had passed away. 

THAT was the point and jist of the posts, not as to who had drug
problems and succumbed to them.

jeff



On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Franc wrote:



I guess we know how you both feel about Marilyn Monroe, Judy Garland and
Charles Boyer. FRANC

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Taranto
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Jeff -
 
My thoughts exactly on his death. Really. Couldn't have said it better
 
Glenn T.

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To: Glenn Taranto <mailto:exit...@gte.net> 
Cc: mop...@sol03.american.edu
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars

i agree glenn.. 

why does NO ONE consider that Ledger OD'd because he voluntarily CHOSE
to consume a literal pharmacy of pills that caused his death? what a
moron. does anyone remember the initial stories talking about the
menagerie of drugs found at his apt? why reward someone for that? i
guess it's all very PC and gives good face to the Academy. he WON
because he OD's and was so young--period.  

 it isnt as tho he died of terminal cancer or from a heart attack, prior
to the awards, like peter finch did. 

jeff




On Feb 23, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Glenn Taranto wrote:



Sean -
 
I liked TDK.  I didn't fall all over myself in praise of it but it was
certainly a movie I'd watch again.  As to Heath Ledger.  Great
performance but I don't think he'd have won if he hadn't died young.
 
My 2 cents...
 
Glenn T.

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>-Original Message-
>Here's a simple test...  When you watched the Dark Knight, did you ever
- 
>even for a split-second - think of the Joker as anything other than a
>famous actor doing a funny (and completely un-natural) voice???

Yes.

But then again, I'm one of the simpletons who actually liked The Dark
Knight.
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Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[David Kusumoto]

Craig:  

 

No argument here as to "Milk" being Sean Penn's best performance ever.  I just 
felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was 
phenomenal.  And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my 
antipathy towards Rourke.  I think the appeal of "Milk" vs. "The Wrestler" (and 
Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after 
you put your money down.  For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste 
portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who 
commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, 
his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out 
here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, 
right-wing comments and his, for wont of a better phrase, overall weirdness.

 

<<<<"Hollywood has always been uncomfortable with conservatives like Heston, 
Stewart, Wayne, Cagney, Hope, Eastwood, Nicholson and Rourke.  But in the case 
of Hope, Eastwood and Nicholson, Hollywood prefers its conservatives to refrain 
from being outspoken like Heston, Wayne and Rourke (but I'm in no way putting 
Rourke in the same iconic league as Heston and Wayne).  It's just a 
double-standard about Hollywood itself in the post-Vietnam era.  I hope you 
are happy for Sean Penn's win because of his performance -- without regard to 
issues regarding the nobility and heroic nature of Harvey Milk himself.  
Because for the longest time, I felt Penn OWNED the best performance of 2008 -- 
slam dunk -- UNTIL I saw "The Wrestler."  It was then I had to face down my own 
prejudices against Rourke -- and decide as honestly as I could -- who turned in 
the better performance.  Penn was great, but Rourke's was something you see 
about as often, as I said, as a DeNiro in Raging Bull or a Hopkins in Lambs.  
I'm not kidding, I went in with low expectations, almost rooting against the 
picture because of all I had seen before.  But the acting and the film were 
amazing.  Not what I expected.  I felt "The Wrestler" should have been 
nominated for Best Picture.  It had an austere, hand-held, grainy authenticity 
many would appreciate.  I so did NOT want to see the picture, but I came out 
feeling it was time well worth spent.">>>>>

 

<<<<"Now as to the merits of "Milk" vs. any other film nominated in the Best 
Picture category.  My view is "Milk" was structured conventionally like any 
standard bio-pic.  But Penn's performance transcends the linear construct.  
Without him, "Milk" sinks like a dead weight TV-movie.  Had "Milk" been 
presented more innovatively -- Harvey Milk's journey and accomplishments -- 
would've felt more profound and emotional with audiences of all stripes, gay 
AND straight.  I am always hoping a film like this does more than preach to a 
choir of believers who know how the story ends.  "Milk" is based on titanic 
material -- but lacks the necessary balance of subtlety, sledgehammer and 
innovation -- that should have left all other pictures in the dust.  This is 
why perhaps in my view only, "Milk" does not feel "best" or even "new."  It's 
supposed to play out like a high-stakes emotional drama, not a paint-by-numbers 
canonization.  The national scope of the story with Anita Bryant and other 
"villains" are treated like a documentary.  The movie's engine is Penn's 
charisma, not the script, and this doesn't quite feel right.  And I've 
purposely left out the fact -- (because most people haven't seen it) -- that 
this same material was covered in a superior documentary, "The Life and Times 
of Harvey Milk" in 1984.>>>>>

 

I'm back again.  It's ironic that "Milk" is even being debated against "The 
Wrestler" -- when the more relevant discussion as it relates to the Oscars -- 
is how "Slumdog" overcame its flaws and beat everybody up.  My wife and I liked 
"Slumdog," but it didn't move us in the same way the meditative and reflective 
"Benjamin Button" did, however over produced it was.  Its existential ideas 
about the transient nature of life, love and mortality matter to anyone over 
50.  Maybe that's why it's a box office failure.  Could its weighty ideas been 
explored as effectively for less money?  Maybe.  But what a handsome picture it 
is.

 

-d.

> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:53:11 -0800
> To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
> From: cr...@wolfmill.com
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
> CC: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> 
> At 12:18 PM 2/23/2009, David Kusumoto wrote:
> >I was extremely disappointed with S

Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Bruce Hershenson]

re category.  My view is "Milk" was structured conventionally like
> any standard bio-pic.  But Penn's performance transcends the linear
> construct.  Without him, "Milk" sinks like a dead weight TV-movie.  Had
> "Milk" been presented more innovatively -- Harvey Milk's journey and
> accomplishments -- would've felt more profound and emotional with audiences
> of all stripes, gay AND straight.  I am always hoping a film like this does
> more than preach to a choir of believers who know how the story ends.
> "Milk" is based on titanic material -- but lacks the necessary balance of
> subtlety, sledgehammer and innovation -- that should have left all other
> pictures in the dust.  This is why perhaps in my view only, "Milk" does not
> feel "best" or even "new."  It's supposed to play out like a high-stakes
> emotional drama, not a paint-by-numbers canonization.  The national scope of
> the story with Anita Bryant and other "villains" are treated like a
> documentary.  The movie's engine is Penn's charisma, not the script, and
> this doesn't quite feel right.  And I've purposely left out the fact --
> (because most people haven't seen it) -- that this same material was covered
> in a superior documentary, "The Life and Times of Harvey Milk" in 1984.>>>>>
>
> I'm back again.  It's ironic that "Milk" is even being debated against "The
> Wrestler" -- when the more relevant discussion as it relates to the Oscars
> -- is how "Slumdog" overcame its flaws and beat everybody up.  My wife and I
> liked "Slumdog," but it didn't move us in the same way the meditative and
> reflective "Benjamin Button" did, however over produced it was.  Its
> existential ideas about the transient nature of life, love and mortality
> matter to anyone over 50.  Maybe that's why it's a box office failure.
> Could its weighty ideas been explored as effectively for less money?
> Maybe.  But what a handsome picture it is.
>
> -d.
>
> > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:53:11 -0800
> > To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
> > From: cr...@wolfmill.com
> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS
> > CC: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> >
> > At 12:18 PM 2/23/2009, David Kusumoto wrote:
> > >I was extremely disappointed with Sean Penn's win. Sean Penn is an
> > >outstanding actor who gave an uncharacteristically loose, engaging
> > >and wonderful turn as an heroic figure -- in what I thought was a
> > >conventionally structured, by-the-numbers-bio-pic capped with the
> > >standard "where-are-they-now" text epilogue. His performance was
> > >noble and deserving -- but his victory was politically correct and
> > >in keeping with the Academy's self-seriousness to anoint things
> > >historic that makes it feel good about itself (hence the standing
> ovation).
> > >
> > >But in my view, the demands of his role paled compared to Mickey
> > >Rourke's shattering, full-range performance in "The Wrestler." I am
> > >not a fan of Mickey Rourke and dislike him intensely. But I could
> > >not ignore -- having seen all the performances nominated this year
> > >-- what he did in this picture, from start to finish. His character
> > >was an exercise in total immersion, on par with what I believe have
> > >been the best larger-than-life performances nominated since 1980 --
> > >including De Niro in Raging Bull (win), Hopkins in Silence of the
> > >Lambs (win), and Liam Neeson in Schindler's List (lost to Tom Hanks).
> >
> > This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily mannered
> > actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love:
> > screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always
> > see "acting". But in "Milk", he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that
> > wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being
> "Sean
> > Penn, A*c*t*o*r". I thought he deserved the award (although I also
> thought
> > that Mickey Rourke was excellent).
> >
> > While not related to who should win for their performance, I thought
> "Milk"
> > a better film than "The Wrestler". Rourke and Marisa Tomei were both
> > great but the film was only "okay".
> >
> > Craig.
> >
> > ~
> > Craig Miller Wolfmill Entertainment cr...@wolfmill.com
> > ~
> >
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Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[David Kusumoto]

Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally 
credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note.  Craig Miller wrote 
it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that "Milk" as a film was 
better than "The Wrestler."  He defended both views admirably, and "nailed" why 
Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to 
me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic.  

 

I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I would do it to 
see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of its presentation and the 
sheer force of Rourke's performance.



Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
From: brucehershen...@gmail.com
To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu


David wrote: "This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily 
mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: 
screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see 
"acting". But in "Milk", he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full 
of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being "Sean Penn, 
A*c*t*o*r"."
 
You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those "actor" 
types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than 
Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the 
performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble 
with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with 
De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to 
forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not 
equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top 
of the list.
 
I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES 
transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see 
it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny 
homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way.
 
I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early 
in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act 
Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that 
he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something 
fresh to it every single night!
 
There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them 
and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul 
into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold.
 
I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, "How did you 
play straight all these years?", meaning it was such a great performance that 
one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that 
well!
 
Bruce


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto  
wrote:


Craig:  
 
No argument here as to "Milk" being Sean Penn's best performance ever.  I just 
felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was 
phenomenal.  And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my 
antipathy towards Rourke.  I think the appeal of "Milk" vs. "The Wrestler" (and 
Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after 
you put your money down.  For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste 
portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who 
commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, 
his victory at the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out 
here against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, 
right-wing comments and his, for wont of a better phrase, overall weirdness.
 
<<<<"Hollywood has always been uncomfortable with conservatives like Heston, 
Stewart, Wayne, Cagney, Hope, Eastwood, Nicholson and Rourke.  But in the case 
of Hope, Eastwood and Nicholson, Hollywood prefers its conservatives to refrain 
from being outspoken like Heston, Wayne and Rourke (but I'm in no way putting 
Rourke in the same iconic league as Heston and Wayne).  It's just a 
double-standard about Hollywood itself in the post-Vietnam era.  I hope you 
are happy for Sean Penn's win because of his performance -- without regard to 
issues regarding the nobility and heroic nature of Harvey Milk himself.  
Because for the longest time, I felt Penn OWNED the best performance of 2008 -- 
slam dunk -- UNTIL I saw "The Wrestler."  It was then I had to face down my own 
prejudices against Rourke -- and decide as honestly as I could -- who turned in 

Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Franc]

Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a
terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very
good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself
whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was
superb and although the film is not a great film, it's certainly far
superior to The Wrestler. FRANC

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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS


Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you
accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note.
Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that
"Milk" as a film was better than "The Wrestler."  He defended both views
admirably, and "nailed" why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both
counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me felt like a
TV-movie-structured bio-pic.  
 
I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I would do
it to see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of its
presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance.


  _____  

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
From: brucehershen...@gmail.com
To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu


David wrote: "This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a
heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things
actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You
can always see "acting". But in "Milk", he gave a subtle, nuanced
performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed into the character and
stopped being "Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r"."
 
You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those
"actor" types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching
anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job,
I still see the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I
have the same trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack
Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the
greatest of all for me in getting me to forget the actor and see the
character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest
actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top of the list.
 
I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he
DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't
wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it
would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the
right way.
 
I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play
early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the
first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of
the play, but that he would watch that scene every single night, because
Muni brought something fresh to it every single night!
 
There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I
like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put
their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to
behold.
 
I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, "How
did you play straight all these years?", meaning it was such a great
performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be
gay to play the role that well!
 
Bruce


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto
 wrote:


Craig:  
 
No argument here as to "Milk" being Sean Penn's best performance ever.
I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those
nominated -- was phenomenal.  And I admit going in, I didn't want it to
be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke.  I think the appeal of
"Milk" vs. "The Wrestler" (and Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the
expectations and biases you bring after you put your money down.  For
the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste portions of what I wrote
earlier today -- in response to a few people who commented privately
about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at
the SAG awards last month -- and the hatred many people have out here
against Rourke because of his documented run-ins, lack of
professionalism, right-wing comments and his, for wont of a better
phrase, overall weirdness.
 
<<<<"Hollywood has always been uncomfortable with conservatives like
Heston, Stewart, Wayne, Cagney, Hope, Eastwood, Nicholson and Rourke.
But in the case of Hope, Eastwood and Nicholson, Hollywood prefers its
conservatives to refrain from being outspoken like Heston, Wayne and
Rourke (but I'm in no way putting 

Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Scott Burns]

For those who don't mind viewing movies on their home screen, "Milk" comes
out on DVD in just 2 weeks...on March 10. It will also be available on
video-on-demand the same day for Time Warner Cable subscribers. I'm not sure
about other cable systems around the country.

Bruce wanted to see "Milk" the 'right way,' (does that mean only on the big
screen?) ...but waiting just 2 more weeks and saving myself a 2-hour drive
sounds like a fair trade off. :) Having a large flat screen TV also helps.

Scott
MoPo List Owner





  -Original Message-
  From: MoPo ListOn Behalf Of David Kusumoto
  Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS


   [snip]  David wrote...

  I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I would do it
to see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of its presentation and
the sheer force of Rourke's performance.



----
--

 Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
From: MoPo List On Behalf Of Bruce Hershenson


 [snip] Bruce wrote...

I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES
transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to
see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in
this tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way.


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Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Jeff Potokar]

this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2  
people can watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece,  
image or film is great..and another can say it is so-so...


jeff






On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote:

Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was  
a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave  
a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing  
himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey  
Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's  
certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC

-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of  
David Kusumoto

Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you  
accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your  
note.  Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke  
-- and that "Milk" as a film was better than "The Wrestler."  He  
defended both views admirably, and "nailed" why Penn was better,  
but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me  
felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic.


I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I  
would do it to see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of  
its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance.


Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
From: brucehershen...@gmail.com
To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu

David wrote: "This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's  
a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the  
things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally  
handicapped. You can always see "acting". But in "Milk", he gave a  
subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed  
into the character and stopped being "Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r"."


You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of  
those "actor" types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am  
watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he  
does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person  
he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other  
icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De  
Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in  
getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day  
Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this  
one element I find him the top of the list.


I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear  
he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and  
I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no  
chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want  
to see it the right way.


I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a  
play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end  
of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in  
that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every  
single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every  
single night!


There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and  
I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who  
put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is  
a joy to behold.


I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn,  
"How did you play straight all these years?", meaning it was such a  
great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself  
had to be gay to play the role that well!


Bruce

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto  
 wrote:

Craig:

No argument here as to "Milk" being Sean Penn's best performance  
ever.  I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among  
those nominated -- was phenomenal.  And I admit going in, I didn't  
want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke.  I think  
the appeal of "Milk" vs. "The Wrestler" (and Penn vs. Rourke) --  
depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put  
your money down.  For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste  
portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few  
people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the  
dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards last  
month -- and the hatred many people have out here against Rourke  
because of his documented run-ins, lack of professionalism, right- 
wing comments and his, for wont of a better phras

Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Glenn Taranto]

Oddly enough I feel the way about posts to MOPO!

Glenn T.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jeff Potokar 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS


  this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2 people can 
watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece, image or film is 
great..and another can say it is so-so...


  jeff












  On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote:


Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a 
terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good 
performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean 
Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the 
film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC
  -Original Message-
  From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David 
Kusumoto
  Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS


  Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you 
accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note.  Craig 
Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that "Milk" as a 
film was better than "The Wrestler."  He defended both views admirably, and 
"nailed" why Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine 
job in what to me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic.  
   
  I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I would do 
it to see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of its presentation and 
the sheer force of Rourke's performance.


--
  Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
  From: brucehershen...@gmail.com
  To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
  CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu


  David wrote: "This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a 
heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors 
love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see 
"acting". But in "Milk", he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full 
of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being "Sean Penn, 
A*c*t*o*r"."

  You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those 
"actor" types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone 
other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see 
the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same 
trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for 
me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in 
getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That 
does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him 
the top of the list.

  I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he 
DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to 
see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this 
tiny homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way.

  I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play 
early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act 
Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that 
he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something 
fresh to it every single night!

  There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like 
them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire 
soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold.

  I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, "How 
did you play straight all these years?", meaning it was such a great 
performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to 
play the role that well!

  Bruce


  On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto 
 wrote:

Craig:  
 
No argument here as to "Milk" being Sean Penn's best performance ever.  
I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- 
was phenomenal.  And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my 
antipathy towards Rourke.  I think the appeal of "Milk" vs. "The Wrestler" (and 
Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after 
you put your money down.  For the sake of time, I'll just 

Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Douglas Ball]

MessageI thought Mickey Rourke was playing Johnny Depp at the Oscars, a little 
color in his hair would have nailed it.
Did anyone miss Jack Nicholson in the front row? I think this was the first 
year in many.

Doug
  - Original Message - 
  From: Franc 
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS


  Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific 
film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good 
performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean 
Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the 
film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC
-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David 
Kusumoto
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS


Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally 
credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note.  Craig Miller wrote 
it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that "Milk" as a film was 
better than "The Wrestler."  He defended both views admirably, and "nailed" why 
Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to 
me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic.  
 
I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I would do it 
to see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of its presentation and the 
sheer force of Rourke's performance.



    Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
From: brucehershen...@gmail.com
To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu


David wrote: "This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a 
heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors 
love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see 
"acting". But in "Milk", he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full 
of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being "Sean Penn, 
A*c*t*o*r"."

You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those 
"actor" types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone 
other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see 
the performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same 
trouble with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for 
me) with De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in 
getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That 
does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him 
the top of the list.

I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES 
transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see 
it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny 
homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way.

I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play 
early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act 
Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that 
he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something 
fresh to it every single night!

There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like 
them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire 
soul into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold.

I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, "How did 
you play straight all these years?", meaning it was such a great performance 
that one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role 
that well!

Bruce


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto 
 wrote:

  Craig:  
   
  No argument here as to "Milk" being Sean Penn's best performance ever.  I 
just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among those nominated -- was 
phenomenal.  And I admit going in, I didn't want it to be so because of my 
antipathy towards Rourke.  I think the appeal of "Milk" vs. "The Wrestler" (and 
Penn vs. Rourke) -- depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after 
you put your money down.  For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste 
portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few people who 
commented privately about my take/analysis of the dynamics behind Penn's 

Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Jeff Potokar]

i didnt see clint eastwood there, either.

jeff




On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:40 PM, Douglas Ball wrote:

I thought Mickey Rourke was playing Johnny Depp at the Oscars, a  
little color in his hair would have nailed it.
Did anyone miss Jack Nicholson in the front row? I think this was  
the first year in many.


Doug
- Original Message -
From: Franc
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was  
a terrific film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave  
a very good performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing  
himself whereas Sean Penn was really stretching to play Harvey  
Milk. He was superb and although the film is not a great film, it's  
certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC

-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of  
David Kusumoto

Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you  
accidentally credited me for writing the first paragraph in your  
note.  Craig Miller wrote it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke  
-- and that "Milk" as a film was better than "The Wrestler."  He  
defended both views admirably, and "nailed" why Penn was better,  
but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to me  
felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic.


I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I  
would do it to see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of  
its presentation and the sheer force of Rourke's performance.


Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
From: brucehershen...@gmail.com
To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu

David wrote: "This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's  
a heavily mannered actor whose performances are always full of the  
things actors love: screaming, crying, dying, being mentally  
handicapped. You can always see "acting". But in "Milk", he gave a  
subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full of ticks. He relaxed  
into the character and stopped being "Sean Penn, A*c*t*o*r"."


You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of  
those "actor" types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am  
watching anyone other than Sean Penn acting (and even though he  
does a great job, I still see the performance, and not the person  
he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble with such other  
icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with De  
Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in  
getting me to forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day  
Lewis. That does not equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this  
one element I find him the top of the list.


I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear  
he DOES transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and  
I can't wait to see it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no  
chance it would play in this tiny homophobic town), because I want  
to see it the right way.


I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a  
play early in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end  
of the first act Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in  
that part of the play, but that he would watch that scene every  
single night, because Muni brought something fresh to it every  
single night!


There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and  
I like them and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who  
put their entire soul into most of their performances, and that is  
a joy to behold.


I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn,  
"How did you play straight all these years?", meaning it was such a  
great performance that one would natural assume that Penn himself  
had to be gay to play the role that well!


Bruce

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:50 AM, David Kusumoto  
 wrote:

Craig:

No argument here as to "Milk" being Sean Penn's best performance  
ever.  I just felt Rourke's performance -- put side-by-side among  
those nominated -- was phenomenal.  And I admit going in, I didn't  
want it to be so because of my antipathy towards Rourke.  I think  
the appeal of "Milk" vs. "The Wrestler" (and Penn vs. Rourke) --  
depends upon the expectations and biases you bring after you put  
your money down.  For the sake of time, I'll just copy and paste  
portions of what I wrote earlier today -- in response to a few  
people who commented privately about my take/analysis of the  
dynamics behind Penn's win, his victory at the SAG awards l

Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

[Susan Heim]

What is interesting about it is when someone really gives you a clear vision of 
why they have that opinion. For me, not only do I learn alot about that person, 
but I am often enlightend to something I didn't even see. I, too, thought Sean 
Penn was great in Milk. I loved the film and it had a huge impact on me as I 
left the theater. I thought Penn's acceptance speach was wonderful and give him 
alot of credit for voicing an opinion that is not exactly a popular one. There 
are many, that while they may share the same opinion, would not voice it in a 
public forum such as the awards are thinking it might hurt their careers. 
Personally, I thought Sean Penn was even better in "I am Sam" and was 
overlooked for the award that time. I guess it was his time and this was the 
film that was going to do it. This is a film that will be just a great on your 
t.v.

 

Sue
 


Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 13:33:07 -0800
From: jpotok...@ca.rr.com
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

this is the great thing about expressing one's opinions how 2 people can 
watch a film, look at art, etc. and one can say the piece, image or film is 
great..and another can say it is so-so...


jeff













On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Franc wrote:

Bruce, I'd recommend you drive the two hours to see MILK which was a terrific 
film, whereas The Wrestler was so-so. Mickey Rourke gave a very good 
performance but I kept thinking he was actually playing himself whereas Sean 
Penn was really stretching to play Harvey Milk. He was superb and although the 
film is not a great film, it's certainly far superior to The Wrestler. FRANC


-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of David 
Kusumoto
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS

Hi Bruce -- Because of the multiple forwarding of text -- you accidentally 
credited me for writing the first paragraph in your note.  Craig Miller wrote 
it -- he felt Penn was better than Rourke -- and that "Milk" as a film was 
better than "The Wrestler."  He defended both views admirably, and "nailed" why 
Penn was better, but I disagreed on both counts; Penn did a fine job in what to 
me felt like a TV-movie-structured bio-pic.  
 
I myself would not drive two hours to see "Milk" again.  But I would do it to 
see "The Wrestler" -- because of the originality of its presentation and the 
sheer force of Rourke's performance.



Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:57:32 -0600
Subject: Re: [MOPO] OSCARS
From: brucehershen...@gmail.com
To: davidmkusum...@hotmail.com
CC: MoPo-L@listserv.american.edu


David wrote: "This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance. He's a heavily 
mannered actor whose performances are always full of the things actors love: 
screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped. You can always see 
"acting". But in "Milk", he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that wasn't full 
of ticks. He relaxed into the character and stopped being "Sean Penn, 
A*c*t*o*r"."
 
You nailed it here, David. For me, Penn has always been one of those "actor" 
types who I respect, but I never ever feel that I am watching anyone other than 
Sean Penn acting (and even though he does a great job, I still see the 
performance, and not the person he is supposed to be). I have the same trouble 
with such other icons as Meryl Streep and Jack Lemmon. Not true (for me) with 
De Niro, Muni, or Brando. Probably the greatest of all for me in getting me to 
forget the actor and see the character is Daniel Day Lewis. That does not 
equate to the greatest actor ever, but in this one element I find him the top 
of the list.
 
I have not seen Milk, but from the clips I have seen it seems clear he DOES 
transcend his acting and become the person he portrays and I can't wait to see 
it. I will likely drive 2 hours to see it (no chance it would play in this tiny 
homophobic town), because I want to see it the right way.
 
I was reading a biography of Brando, and he was saying he was in a play early 
in his career and Paul Muni was in it too and at the end of the first act 
Muni's character dies, and he said he wasn't in that part of the play, but that 
he would watch that scene every single night, because Muni brought something 
fresh to it every single night!
 
There are actors who do a good solid job (like Robert Redford) and I like them 
and enjoy their movies, but there are also actors who put their entire soul 
into most of their performances, and that is a joy to behold.
 
I thought it was a wonderful compliment when De Niro said to Penn, "How did you 
play straight all these years?", meaning it was such a great performance that 
one would natural assume that Penn himself had to be gay to play the role that 

[MOPO] Oscars - Ethan Coen

[Doug Taylor]

Ethan Coen wins my vote for the two all-time best acceptance speeches.

 

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[AMAZCOLMAN]

When the most exciting moment is seeing a few celebrities almost slip and  
fall when approaching the microphone because apparently Marion Cotillard when  
accepting her Oscar was so excited that she reverted back to her Edith Piaf  
brilliant performance and pissed on the stage and no one would dare stoop to  
clean it up, well, then, that is a most boring show. With 3 boring Disneyesque  
song and dance numbers to ho hum through, and a very lackluster host, I think 
it  was just a tribute to what a dismal year this country has just gone 
through, so  bad that not even the magic that once was HOLLYWOOD could lift our 
spirits for  more then a brief moment.
 And, so many of the big winners were foriegn to boot... are we even  
outsourcing our movie talent now? I am both pleased and shocked that Cotillard  
won a 
well deserved best actress Oscar as her performance was astonishing, ( but  
so was the make-up) however, anyone wish to share their knowledge about the  
Oscar rules concerning foriegn language films winning such awards? 
Where is OSCAR going?? If nothing else, please put the entertainment  
value back into its presentation. Hosting that program is no easy task, but the 
 
great comedians always seem to do a good job. I do not see Jon Stewart in that 
 light at all. JMHO, Evan Bernstein



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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE

[lobby card invasion]

"apparently Marion Cotillard when accepting her Oscar was so excited that she 
reverted back to her Edith Piaf brilliant performance and pissed on the stage "

Is this a joke?  Or do you in fact have knowledge that this really happened?

Zeev


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  When the most exciting moment is seeing a few celebrities almost slip and 
fall when approaching the microphone because apparently Marion Cotillard when 
accepting her Oscar was so excited that she reverted back to her Edith Piaf 
brilliant performance and pissed on the stage and no one would dare stoop to 
clean it up, well, then, that is a most boring show. With 3 boring Disneyesque 
song and dance numbers to ho hum through, and a very lackluster host, I think 
it was just a tribute to what a dismal year this country has just gone through, 
so bad that not even the magic that once was HOLLYWOOD could lift our spirits 
for more then a brief moment.
   And, so many of the big winners were foriegn to boot... are we even 
outsourcing our movie talent now? I am both pleased and shocked that Cotillard 
won a well deserved best actress Oscar as her performance was astonishing, ( 
but so was the make-up) however, anyone wish to share their knowledge about the 
Oscar rules concerning foriegn language films winning such awards? 
  Where is OSCAR going?? If nothing else, please put the entertainment 
value back into its presentation. Hosting that program is no easy task, but the 
great comedians always seem to do a good job. I do not see Jon Stewart in that 
light at all. JMHO, Evan Bernstein





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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE

[Franc]

I could NEVER have gotten this telecast with my DVR box. I started
watching it at about 9.30 and thank God for the Fast Forward button. I
got through the whole thing in about an hour and a half but it seemed
like five. Jon Stewart is strickly a smart-ass, college humor stand-up
comic  and not a very funny one at that. He wasn't even capable of
abandoning his political satire for the event and frankly, it just
wasn't appropriate in this venue. The musical numbers sucked and in a
year when I really couldn't care less who won, it was hard to sit
through this telecast. I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard
gave two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic
performances I had seen all year in two very badly written films.  The
only thing I liked about the telecast were the clips from previous
years' telecasts that helped remind us how wonderful watching the Oscars
used to be.  Franc Martarella  
 
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When the most exciting moment is seeing a few celebrities almost slip
and fall when approaching the microphone because apparently Marion
Cotillard when accepting her Oscar was so excited that she reverted back
to her Edith Piaf brilliant performance and pissed on the stage and no
one would dare stoop to clean it up, well, then, that is a most boring
show. With 3 boring Disneyesque song and dance numbers to ho hum
through, and a very lackluster host, I think it was just a tribute to
what a dismal year this country has just gone through, so bad that not
even the magic that once was HOLLYWOOD could lift our spirits for more
then a brief moment.
 And, so many of the big winners were foriegn to boot... are we even
outsourcing our movie talent now? I am both pleased and shocked that
Cotillard won a well deserved best actress Oscar as her performance was
astonishing, ( but so was the make-up) however, anyone wish to share
their knowledge about the Oscar rules concerning foriegn language films
winning such awards? 
Where is OSCAR going?? If nothing else, please put the entertainment
value back into its presentation. Hosting that program is no easy task,
but the great comedians always seem to do a good job. I do not see Jon
Stewart in that light at all. JMHO, Evan Bernstein



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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE

[Craig Miller]

Too bad we don't have hosts like Bob Hope and Johnny Carson
anymore.  They'd never do a political joke on the Oscars...

Craig.


At 12:36 PM 2/25/2008, Franc wrote:
Jon Stewart is strickly a smart-ass, college humor stand-up 
comic  and not a very funny one at that. He wasn't even capable of 
abandoning his political satire for the event and frankly, it just 
wasn't appropriate in this venue.


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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE

[Jeff Potokar]

im sure this is NOT true, so for this mopoer, to suggest such a thing  
is in extremely poor taste, even if joking. thank god he wasnt a  
writer for the awards show..


jeff


On Feb 25, 2008, at 12:01 PM, lobby card invasion wrote:

"apparently Marion Cotillard when accepting her Oscar was so  
excited that she reverted back to her Edith Piaf brilliant  
performance and pissed on the stage "


Is this a joke?  Or do you in fact have knowledge that this really  
happened?


Zeev


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When the most exciting moment is seeing a few celebrities almost  
slip and fall when approaching the microphone because apparently  
Marion Cotillard when accepting her Oscar was so excited that she  
reverted back to her Edith Piaf brilliant performance and pissed on  
the stage and no one would dare stoop to clean it up, well, then,  
that is a most boring show. With 3 boring Disneyesque song and  
dance numbers to ho hum through, and a very lackluster host, I  
think it was just a tribute to what a dismal year this country has  
just gone through, so bad that not even the magic that once was  
HOLLYWOOD could lift our spirits for more then a brief moment.
 And, so many of the big winners were foriegn to boot... are we  
even outsourcing our movie talent now? I am both pleased and  
shocked that Cotillard won a well deserved best actress Oscar as  
her performance was astonishing, ( but so was the make-up) however,  
anyone wish to share their knowledge about the Oscar rules  
concerning foriegn language films winning such awards?
Where is OSCAR going?? If nothing else, please put the  
entertainment value back into its presentation. Hosting that  
program is no easy task, but the great comedians always seem to do  
a good job. I do not see Jon Stewart in that light at all. JMHO,  
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[Bruce Hershenson]

Franc Martarella wrote, "I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard gave
two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic performances I
had seen all year in two very badly written films"

But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think of those
movies?

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[Franc]

I hated both films. I thought La Vie En Rose was one of the most inept
star-is-born films I'd ever seen. Here's an example of how inept that
is: just as Piaf is making her big breakthrough, she opens her mouth to
sing and the director actually cuts away from the vocal track and
provides an orchestra-only track with a montage. You don't have the
pleasure of a) hearing her sing or b) being finally transformed into a
star. The flashbacks at the end of the film refer to scenes that were
apparently cut from the film and have no reference. You just never
understand from this film why this dreadful, rather plain-looking woman
ever became so popular, especially given that everyone of her songs
sound virtually alike. 
 
There Will Be Blood was so under-written and stillborn; I never felt
there was any motivation for DDL's character. His performance left me
with the impression that he was over-acting so badly because frankly the
character didn't exist anywhere in the script and he was trying to fill
in the blanks.. I did like the scoring to the film and of course that
was totally overlooked by the Oscars.
 
In contrast to the above two films, I thought Atonement was beautifully
written and acted. I especially liked the way multiple point of views
were handled in the film. Needless to say, this film did not fair
particularly well last night either.  
 
Franc
 
 
 
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Franc Martarella wrote, "I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard
gave two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic
performances I had seen all year in two very badly written films"
 
But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think of
those movies?
 
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE

[Joseph Bonelli]

Well. I thought it was a better show than that and that Stewart did a good 
job shepherding it with little or no preparation time.
  At least he is intelligent and spared us any of the morning-show inanity that 
Ellen deGeneres brought to the proceedings last year.  Absolutely the worst 
host in history, Ellen!!   Followed by Number 2-- David Letterman (who at least 
has the good grace to admit it and publically laugh at himself about it.)
   
  What we are missing, folks is quite simple:  Real STARS and Real GLAMOR
  For five minutes about three years ago, Olivia de Havilland walked on stage 
and spoke simply about what had been and for that short period, "Hollywood" was 
the real thing again.
   
  Joe B in NOLA
   
  Oh, well.  Things and times change.
   
  Joe B.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  When the most exciting moment is seeing a few celebrities almost slip and 
fall when approaching the microphone because apparently Marion Cotillard when 
accepting her Oscar was so excited that she reverted back to her Edith Piaf 
brilliant performance and pissed on the stage and no one would dare stoop to 
clean it up, well, then, that is a most boring show. With 3 boring Disneyesque 
song and dance numbers to ho hum through, and a very lackluster host, I think 
it was just a tribute to what a dismal year this country has just gone through, 
so bad that not even the magic that once was HOLLYWOOD could lift our spirits 
for more then a brief moment.
   And, so many of the big winners were foriegn to boot... are we even 
outsourcing our movie talent now? I am both pleased and shocked that Cotillard 
won a well deserved best actress Oscar as her performance was astonishing, ( 
but so was the make-up) however, anyone wish to share their knowledge about the 
Oscar rules concerning foriegn language films winning such awards? 
  Where is OSCAR going?? If nothing else, please put the entertainment 
value back into its presentation. Hosting that program is no easy task, but the 
great comedians always seem to do a good job. I do not see Jon Stewart in that 
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[Toochis Morin]

I couldn't agree more.  I loved Johnny Depp's performance in SWEENEY TODD.  I 
thought he made the singing so much a part of the character and the subtleties 
in his performance were wonderful.

I also loved Laura Linney's performance.

Toochis



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Franc Martarella wrote, "I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard gave 
two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic performances I had 
seen all year in two very badly written films"


 

But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think of those 
movies?

 

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE

[Kirby McDaniel]

Franc's comments about JONNY GREENWOOD'S score for THERE WILL BE  
BLOOD are in line with my own.  Fantastic score from him.  Of course,  
there WAS some
Brahms in there.  However I thought THERE WILL BE BLOOD was a  
magnificent movie, the best of PT Anderson's films.  As far as Best  
Actress I would have chosen Ellen Page or the wonderful Julie  
Christie.  LA VIE EN ROSE, for me, was jumbled, although her  
performance was the  best thing about it.


The big disappointment for me was that HAL HOLBROOK did not win Best  
Supporting Actor.  He was the absolute light of INTO THE WILD and his  
role was actually a supporting role,
which JAVIER BARDEM'S (in NO COUNTRY) was not.  I don't know what the  
rules are that govern nominations in this category, but I've seen  
this before.  That role was too central
to the film - and too big - to be considered supporting.  This says  
nothing about Bardem's performance, which I thought was great.


Kirby

On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Franc wrote:

I hated both films. I thought La Vie En Rose was one of the most  
inept star-is-born films I’d ever seen. Here’s an example of how  
inept that is: just as Piaf is making her big breakthrough, she  
opens her mouth to sing and the director actually cuts away from  
the vocal track and provides an orchestra-only track with a  
montage. You don’t have the pleasure of a) hearing her sing or b)  
being finally transformed into a star. The flashbacks at the end of  
the film refer to scenes that were apparently cut from the film and  
have no reference. You just never understand from this film why  
this dreadful, rather plain-looking woman ever became so popular,  
especially given that everyone of her songs sound virtually alike.


There Will Be Blood was so under-written and stillborn; I never  
felt there was any motivation for DDL’s character. His performance  
left me with the impression that he was over-acting so badly  
because frankly the character didn’t exist anywhere in the script  
and he was trying to fill in the blanks.. I did like the scoring to  
the film and of course that was totally overlooked by the Oscars.


In contrast to the above two films, I thought Atonement was  
beautifully written and acted. I especially liked the way multiple  
point of views were handled in the film. Needless to say, this film  
did not fair particularly well last night either.


Franc



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Franc Martarella wrote, "I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion  
Cotillard gave two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing,  
histrionic performances I had seen all year in two very badly  
written films"


But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think  
of those movies?


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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE

[Doug Taylor]

I too am on the side supporting There Will Be Blood.

 

The top 4 films for me this year, in this order were:

 

There Will Be Blood

Michael Clayton

No Country For Old Men

Before the Devil Knows Your Dead

 

I think "Before the Devil" was better than both Atonement and Juno, although
it was damn hard to watch because every character was so easy to dislike.  

 

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McDaniel
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 12:08 PM
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Franc's comments about JONNY GREENWOOD'S score for THERE WILL BE BLOOD are
in line with my own.  Fantastic score from him.  Of course, there WAS some

Brahms in there.  However I thought THERE WILL BE BLOOD was a magnificent
movie, the best of PT Anderson's films.  As far as Best Actress I would have
chosen Ellen Page or the wonderful Julie Christie.  LA VIE EN ROSE, for me,
was jumbled, although her performance was the  best thing about it.

 

The big disappointment for me was that HAL HOLBROOK did not win Best
Supporting Actor.  He was the absolute light of INTO THE WILD and his role
was actually a supporting role,

which JAVIER BARDEM'S (in NO COUNTRY) was not.  I don't know what the rules
are that govern nominations in this category, but I've seen this before.
That role was too central

to the film - and too big - to be considered supporting.  This says nothing
about Bardem's performance, which I thought was great.

 

Kirby

 

On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Franc wrote:





I hated both films. I thought La Vie En Rose was one of the most inept
star-is-born films I'd ever seen. Here's an example of how inept that is:
just as Piaf is making her big breakthrough, she opens her mouth to sing and
the director actually cuts away from the vocal track and provides an
orchestra-only track with a montage. You don't have the pleasure of a)
hearing her sing or b) being finally transformed into a star. The flashbacks
at the end of the film refer to scenes that were apparently cut from the
film and have no reference. You just never understand from this film why
this dreadful, rather plain-looking woman ever became so popular, especially
given that everyone of her songs sound virtually alike.

 

There Will Be Blood was so under-written and stillborn; I never felt there
was any motivation for DDL's character. His performance left me with the
impression that he was over-acting so badly because frankly the character
didn't exist anywhere in the script and he was trying to fill in the
blanks.. I did like the scoring to the film and of course that was totally
overlooked by the Oscars.

 

In contrast to the above two films, I thought Atonement was beautifully
written and acted. I especially liked the way multiple point of views were
handled in the film. Needless to say, this film did not fair particularly
well last night either.  

 

Franc

 

 

 

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Franc Martarella wrote, "I though Daniel Day Lewis and Marion Cotillard gave
two of the worst over-the-top, scenery-chewing, histrionic performances I
had seen all year in two very badly written films"

 

But OTHER THAN the terribly acting and writing, what did you think of those
movies?

 

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[aaroncbates]

It is a shame that Greenwood's score was denied a nomination on a technicality 
that some of his music (not the Brahms or any other previously recorded music 
by other artists) had been released on other projects.  His score certainly 
played a huge part in the vibe of the film and there wasn't another score out 
there, in my mind, that was more memorable or key to the film's ability to 
work.  
I think the Coens certainly earned their oscar.  It's a shame that TWBB didn't 
show up at previous oscars since there have been so many bad years (in the way 
of nominees).  The fact that TWBB and NCFOM arrived in the same year and were 
both nominated is some kind of miracle.  PTA and the Coens have plenty of films 
left in them.
The academy awards should lay off the clip shows if only to avoid reminding the 
viewers at home how far Hollywood has fallen from the level of class it once 
had and that no matter how bad the stars were behind the scenes they could 
carry themselves in a way that was abmirable in public.  In the same vein I 
agree that John Stewert, while a funny guy in his own right, is not the right 
choice for the Oscars.  But who are we kidding?  The show as a whole is a 
disaster because people don't really hold actors or hollywood in the same 
esteem it once did.  There is a cynical viewpoint these days and the magic and 
allure of Hollywood is, in my opinion, gone and it is the 800 lbs gorilla 
lingering in the room casting a huge shadow over their vain attempt to pretend 
that the world is still mesmorized by their dog & pony-self-love-athon.  How 
many times did we have to hear actors and directors talk about how wonderful 
Hollywood is?  Even tired old Jack Nickolson tried to sell us on this!
  idea and it just sounds so creaky.  There is only a thin thread of integrity 
left in the oscars.

Still lovin the movies (the few good ones anyway)..
Aaron

 Kirby McDaniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> Franc's comments about JONNY GREENWOOD'S score for THERE WILL BE  
> BLOOD are in line with my own.  Fantastic score from him.  Of course,  
> there WAS some
> Brahms in there.  However I thought THERE WILL BE BLOOD was a  
> magnificent movie, the best of PT Anderson's films.  As far as Best  
> Actress I would have chosen Ellen Page or the wonderful Julie  
> Christie.  LA VIE EN ROSE, for me, was jumbled, although her  
> performance was the  best thing about it.
> 
> The big disappointment for me was that HAL HOLBROOK did not win Best  
> Supporting Actor.  He was the absolute light of INTO THE WILD and his  
> role was actually a supporting role,
> which JAVIER BARDEM'S (in NO COUNTRY) was not.  I don't know what the  
> rules are that govern nominations in this category, but I've seen  
> this before.  That role was too central
> to the film - and too big - to be considered supporting.  This says  
> nothing about Bardem's performance, which I thought was great.
> 
> Kirby
> 
> On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:38 PM, Franc wrote:
> 
> > I hated both films. I thought La Vie En Rose was one of the most  
> > inept star-is-born films I’d ever seen. Here’s an example of how  
> > inept that is: just as Piaf is making her big breakthrough, she  
> > opens her mouth to sing and the director actually cuts away from  
> > the vocal track and provides an orchestra-only track with a  
> > montage. You don’t have the pleasure of a) hearing her sing or b)  
> > being finally transformed into a star. The flashbacks at the end of  
> > the film refer to scenes that were apparently cut from the film and  
> > have no reference. You just never understand from this film why  
> > this dreadful, rather plain-looking woman ever became so popular,  
> > especially given that everyone of her songs sound virtually alike.
> >
> > There Will Be Blood was so under-written and stillborn; I never  
> > felt there was any motivation for DDL’s character. His performance  
> > left me with the impression that he was over-acting so badly  
> > because frankly the character didn’t exist anywhere in the script  
> > and he was trying to fill in the blanks.. I did like the scoring to  
> > the film and of course that was totally overlooked by the Oscars.
> >
> > In contrast to the above two films, I thought Atonement was  
> > beautifully written and acted. I especially liked the way multiple  
> > point of views were handled in the film. Needless to say, this film  
> > did not fair particularly well last night either.
> >
> > Franc
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
> > Bruce Hershenson
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:19 PM
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2007

[Richard Evans]

Deer Hunter was Mickey, not Marty.

Cheers,
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2007

[Andy Neal]

Yeah I corrected myself on the movie poster forum, i meant to say Taxi Driver - 
I had just woke up lol Ooops
 
The day got far worse than that, trust me :-s

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2007

[Dario Casadei]

Deer Hunter??
Check your books.

Dario.

Andy Neal wrote:

Congratulations to Marty picking up 4 Oscars - Long time over-due on 
the best Director.


I personaly don't think the Departed is one of his masterpeices, but 
just goes to show you that mainstream wins you prizes i guess. I'd 
chose Raging Bull, Goodfellas, The Deer Hunter, Mean Streets any day 
over the departed but that's showbizWell done Marty, you got there 
in the end.
Yeahh.gif Yeahh.gif Yeahh.gif Yeahh.gif Yeahh.gif Yeahh.gif Yeahh.gif 
Yeahh.gif Yeahh.gif


MULTIPLE OSCAR WINNERS
4: The Departed
3: Pan's Labyrinth
2: An Inconvenient Truth
2: Dreamgirls
2: Little Miss Sunshine

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2007

[Andy Neal]

lol - I don't need to check any books for a film I've watched numerous times, 
my head on the other hand hmmm


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Deer Hunter??Check your books.Dario.Andy Neal wrote: 


Congratulations to Marty picking up 4 Oscars - Long time over-due on the best 
Director.I personaly don't think the Departed is one of his masterpeices, but 
just goes to show you that mainstream wins you prizes i guess. I'd chose Raging 
Bull, Goodfellas, The Deer Hunter, Mean Streets any day over the departed but 
that's showbizWell done Marty, you got there in the end. MULTIPLE 
OSCAR WINNERS4: The Departed3: Pan's Labyrinth2: An Inconvenient Truth2: 
Dreamgirls2: Little Miss SunshineCheersAndywww.movieposterforum.com 

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[JR]

The Oscars were distributed with 
politically-correct diversity this year, spread around the field, except: 
 A total snub for what I considered by far the "most important" of the 
message movies, GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK. 
 
I mean, making observations about tolerance and 
racial fears is all good and well, but is a film that handles it as gently 
as CRASH did likely to change this most basic aspect of human nature? Is a 
movie about gay sheepherders (not cowboys) going to alter 
people's gut-level reaction to non-traditional sexual preference? No, 
probably not much... but a film about the 
fanaticism and unconstitutional persecution of people during the McCarthy era 
*could* make a difference in this country's current dalliance with something all 
too similar in our "war on terrorism" if enough people saw it -- and an 
Oscar might have caused some more folks to give it a look. Whereas 
CRASH, the lightweight of the message films this year, isn't even at the 
theaters anymore and future viewings will be on DVD (exactly the thing the 
Academy was bitching about all night long).
 
So, do as I say for the Academy this year, don't do 
as I do.
 
And don't even get me started about giving a 
cleaned-up gangsta rap song the Award for Best Song of the Year.
 
Best song of the year? Yo' momma...!
 
-- JR
 
- Original Message - 
From: Andy Neal 

To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 

Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:31
Subject: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

And the Winners are...
 
Best PictureWinner: 
Crash Brokeback MountainGood Night and Good LuckMunichCapote
 


Best Director 
Winner: Ang Lee - Brokeback 
MountainSteven Spielberg - Munich Paul Haggis - CrashBennett Miller - CapoteGeorge Clooney - 
Good Night and Good Luck
 


Best ActorWinner: 
Philip Seymour Hoffman - CapoteDavid Strathairn - Good Night and Good LuckHeath 
Ledger - Brokeback 
Mountain Joaquin Phoenix - Walk the LineTerrence Howard - 
Hustle and Flow
 


Best ActressWinner: 
Reese Witherspoon - Walk the LineDame Judi Dench - Mrs Henderson PresentsFelicity 
Huffman - TransamericaCharlize Theron - North CountryKeira Knightley - Pride and Prejudice
 


Best Supporting 
ActorWinner: George Clooney - SyrianaJake Gyllenhaal - Brokeback 
MountainPaul Giamatti - Cinderella ManMatt Dillon - 
CrashWilliam Hurt - A History of Violence
 


Best Supporting 
ActressWinner: Rachel Weisz 
- The Constant GardenerMichelle 
Williams - Brokeback 
MountainFrances McDormand - North CountryAmy Adams - JunebugCatherine Keener - Capote
 


Best Documentary Feature 
Winner: March of the PenguinsDarwin's 
NightmareEnron: The Smartest Guys in the Room MurderballStreet 
Fight
 


Best Foreign Language Film 
Winner: Tsotsi (South Africa) Don't 
Tell (Italy) Joyeux Noel (France) Paradise Now 
(Palestinian territories) Sophie Scholl - The Final Days(Germany)
 


Best Film 
EditingWinner: Crash Cinerella 
Man The Constant Gardener Munich Walk the Line
 
Best Cinematography 
Winner: Memoirs of a GeishaBatman BeginsBrokeback 
MountainGood Night and Good LuckThe New 
World
 


Best Adapted 
ScreenplayWinner: Brokeback 
Mountain CapoteThe Constant GardenerA History of Violence Munich
 
Best Original Screenplay 
Winner: CrashGood Night and Good LuckMatch PointThe Squid and the 
WhaleSyriana
 


Best Visual 
EffectsWinner: King KongThe Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the 
Witch and the WardrobeWar of the Worlds
 


Best Animated Feature 
FilmWinner: Wallace and Gromit in the Curse of the 
Were-RabbitHowl's Moving CastleCorpse Bride
 


Best Art Direction 
Winner: Memoirs of a GeishaGood Night and Good LuckHarry Potter and the Goblet of FireKing Kong Pride and Prejudice
 


Best Costume 
DesignWinner: Memoirs of a GeishaCharlie and the Chocolate FactoryMrs Henderson PresentsPride and PrejudiceWalk the Line
 


Best Make-up 
Winner: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the 
Witch and the WardrobeCinderella Man Star Wars: 
Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
 


Best Sound 
MixingWinner: King Kong The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the 
Witch and the WardrobeMemoirs of a GeishaWalk the LineWar of the Worlds
 


Best Music (Score) 
Winner: Brokeback 
Mountain The Constant Gardener Memoirs of a Geisha MunichPride and Prejudice
 
Best Music 
(Song)Winner: It's Hard Out Here for a 
Pimp - Hustle and FlowIn the 
Deep - CrashTravelin' Thru - 
Transamerica
 


Sound 
EditingWinner: King KongMemoirs of a GeishaWar of the Worlds
 


Lifetime Achievement AwardDirector 
and writer Robert Altman
 
 


OSCAR SHORTS AWARDS
 


Best Short Film 
Winner: Six Shooter Ausreisser 
(The Runaway) Cashback The Last Farm Our Time 
is Up
 


Best Documentary Short 
SubjectWinner: A Note of Triumph: The Golden ge of Norman Corwin The Death of Kevin Carter: Casualty of the 
Bang Bang Club God Sleeps in Rwanda The Mushroom Club
 
 
 
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Tom A. Pennock]

Watching the Oscar's last night made me feel pretty old at 50. I was 
looking for real movie star's and there were very few. Jack Nicholson saved the 
day. He is a true movie star. But other than Lauren Bacall and Robert Altman 
there were very few star's that could be called legends. I was disappointed 
in the show as far as an entertainment. Jon Stewart was like a valium. We need 
Billy Crystal.
 
 All I can say is that the show was certainly unique. 
 
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Duane]

Title: Message



What would you say was the best message 
movie of the year?  

  
  -Original 
  Message-From: MoPo List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  On Behalf Of JRSent: Monday, March 06, 2006 11:26 
  AMTo: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUSubject: Re: [MOPO] 
  Oscars 2006
  
  The Oscars were distributed with 
  politically-correct diversity this year, spread around the field, except: 
   A total snub for what I considered by far the "most important" of the 
  message movies, GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK. 
   
  I mean, making observations about tolerance and 
  racial fears is all good and well, but is a film that handles it as 
  gently as CRASH did likely to change this most basic aspect of human 
  nature? Is a movie about gay sheepherders (not cowboys) going to alter 
  people's gut-level reaction to non-traditional sexual preference? No, 
  probably not much... but a film about the 
  fanaticism and unconstitutional persecution of people during the McCarthy era 
  *could* make a difference in this country's current dalliance with something 
  all too similar in our "war on terrorism" if enough people saw it -- and 
  an Oscar might have caused some more folks to give it a look. 
  Whereas CRASH, the lightweight of the message films this year, isn't even at 
  the theaters anymore and future viewings will be on DVD (exactly the thing the 
  Academy was bitching about all night long).
   
  So, do as I say for the Academy this year, don't 
  do as I do.
   
  And don't even get me started about giving a 
  cleaned-up gangsta rap song the Award for Best Song of the Year.
   
  Best song of the year? Yo' momma...!
   
  -- JR
   
  - Original Message - 
  From: Andy Neal 
  
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 10:31
  Subject: [MOPO] Oscars 2006
  
  And the Winners are...
   
  Best 
  PictureWinner: Crash Brokeback MountainGood Night and Good LuckMunichCapote
   
  
  
  Best Director 
  Winner: Ang Lee - 
  Brokeback 
  MountainSteven Spielberg - Munich Paul Haggis - 
  CrashBennett Miller - 
  CapoteGeorge Clooney - 
  Good Night and Good Luck
   
  
  
  Best ActorWinner: 
  Philip Seymour Hoffman - CapoteDavid Strathairn - Good Night and Good LuckHeath 
  Ledger - Brokeback 
  Mountain Joaquin Phoenix - Walk the LineTerrence Howard 
  - Hustle and Flow
   
  
  
  Best 
  ActressWinner: Reese Witherspoon - Walk the LineDame Judi Dench - Mrs Henderson PresentsFelicity Huffman - TransamericaCharlize Theron - North CountryKeira Knightley - Pride and Prejudice
   
  
  
  Best Supporting 
  ActorWinner: George Clooney - SyrianaJake Gyllenhaal - Brokeback 
  MountainPaul Giamatti - Cinderella ManMatt Dillon - 
  CrashWilliam Hurt - A History of Violence
   
  
  
  Best Supporting 
  ActressWinner: Rachel Weisz - The Constant GardenerMichelle 
  Williams - Brokeback 
  MountainFrances McDormand - North CountryAmy Adams - 
  JunebugCatherine Keener - Capote
   
  
  
  Best Documentary Feature 
  Winner: March of the PenguinsDarwin's 
  NightmareEnron: The Smartest Guys in the Room MurderballStreet 
  Fight
   
  
  
  Best Foreign Language Film 
  Winner: Tsotsi (South Africa) Don't 
  Tell (Italy) Joyeux Noel (France) Paradise Now 
  (Palestinian territories) Sophie Scholl - The Final Days(Germany)
   
  
  
  Best Film 
  EditingWinner: Crash Cinerella 
  Man The Constant Gardener 
  Munich Walk the Line
   
  Best Cinematography 
  Winner: Memoirs of a GeishaBatman BeginsBrokeback 
  MountainGood Night and Good LuckThe 
  New World
   
  
  
  Best Adapted 
  ScreenplayWinner: Brokeback 
  Mountain CapoteThe Constant GardenerA History of Violence 
  Munich
   
  Best Original Screenplay 
  Winner: CrashGood Night and Good LuckMatch PointThe Squid and the 
  WhaleSyriana
   
  
  
  Best Visual 
  EffectsWinner: King KongThe Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the 
  Witch and the WardrobeWar of the Worlds
   
  
  
  Best Animated Feature 
  FilmWinner: Wallace and Gromit in the Curse of the 
  Were-RabbitHowl's Moving CastleCorpse Bride
   
  
  
  Best Art Direction 
  Winner: Memoirs of a GeishaGood Night and Good LuckHarry Potter and the Goblet of FireKing Kong Pride and Prejudice
   
  
  
  Best Costume 
  DesignWinner: Memoirs of a GeishaCharlie and the Chocolate FactoryMrs Henderson PresentsPride and PrejudiceWalk the Line
   
  
  
  Best Make-up 
  Winner: The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the 
  Witch and the WardrobeCinderella Man Star Wars: 
  Episode III - Revenge of the Sith
   
  
  
  Best Sound 
  MixingWinner: King Kong The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the 
  Witch and the WardrobeMemoirs of a GeishaWalk the LineWar of the Worlds
   
  
  
  Best Music (Score) 
  Winner: Brokeback 
  Mountain The Constant Gardener 
  Memoirs of a Geisha MunichPride and Prejudice
   
  Best Music 
  (Song)Winner: It's Hard Out Here for a 
  Pimp - Hustle and FlowIn the 
  Deep - Cr

Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Henry Mazel]

Second that, JR. -- Murrow was a hero of mine. The only television journalist left who continues in his tradition is Schieffer. Pity Good Night and Good Luck was snubbed. It was a brilliant film, and literally in your face with its use of close-ups.

I suppose it's apocryphal, but the studio apparently didn't like the casting of McCarthy or Annie Lee Moss.

Henry
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Scott Burns]

>JR 
Wrote:
>And 
don't even get me started about giving a cleaned-up gangsta rap song the 
Award for Best Song of the Year.
 
>Best song of the year? Yo' 
momma...!
 
I think it's time 
for the Academy to eliminate the Best Song category. They could only come up 
with 3 nominees this year--and none, IMHO, were worthy of being called "best." 
Talk about a stretch to fill 3 slots...
 
Throwing a song over 
the end credits of a movie just for the sake of future soundtrack sales (or an 
Oscar nomination) seems ridiculous. 
 
In the case of 
"Travelin' Thru" from "Transamerica," the producers went to Dolly Parton A WHOLE 
MONTH before the movie was released. Wow...that song was really important to the 
film wasn't it? It made the end credits so much more enjoyable (pardon my 
sarcasm).
 
I haven't seen 
"Hustle & Flow." Was "Pimp" actually played within the film? Just from the 
title it sounds like it was more plot oriented than most Academy-nominated 
songs. No matter, I still didn't think it was anything special in a field of 3 
not-so-special songs. Doesn't say much for this category does 
it?
 
Scott
 

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

I'm not sure I agree that they were given in a political manner.. I
would more appropriately say the awards more closely represent the
age difference in people who are voting for the Academy today that
just 10 years ago and it is that the voters are younger, which is why
no awards that I can think of except the special one for Aldrich,
were awarded to older actors, directors etc.

3-6 Mafia is the most obvious, but my feelings are that the older
generation was perfectly snubbed by the voters.

Now I haven't seen Crash, so I can't compare it to the other films.
But I think that George Clooney or Spielberg should have been the
winners for best director.

Of course, I would go to my grave saying that either Dolly or Annie
Lennox (I liked Annie best. did she sing the song for the film, or
just for the Oscars ??) should have gotten best song and I can't
imagine any older voter going for 3-6 mafia. I mean, that song
sounded more like garbage to me than rock & roll did to my parents or
my grandparents. What were they thinking??

But it is without a doubt part of the fact that corporate boardrooms
are more & more full of younger leaders and that older folks are
being pushed to the side, and damn.. I'm 49, and these awards even
make me feel like I'm older than any of the voters because the
"philosophy" of these awards this year is like being usurped by teenagers..

maybe they should start calling the Oscars the "X-Generation Film Awards"

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Phil Edwards Cinema Arts]

Agree with Scott and Rich on this.
Rich, these delusions about the younger generation you are now
experiencing will only grow greater as age gets up there.

At 55, while I still thought the best of three songs won (and what the
hell has Dolly done to herself, apart from re-writing 9-5 with different
lyrics?) I kept thinking, these kids have great voices, but why are they
singing this crap... and then I caught myself and realised that most of
them would run screaming from the room if I played an Ornette Coleman
album so it's just different tastes.

Phil

Scott Burns wrote:


JR Wrote:
And don't even get me started about giving a cleaned-up gangsta rap

song the Award for Best Song of the Year.


Best song of the year? Yo' momma...!


I think it's time for the Academy to eliminate the Best Song category.
They could only come up with 3 nominees this year--and none, IMHO,
were worthy of being called "best." Talk about a stretch to fill 3
slots...

Throwing a song over the end credits of a movie just for the sake of
future soundtrack sales (or an Oscar nomination) seems ridiculous.

In the case of "Travelin' Thru" from "Transamerica," the producers
went to Dolly Parton A WHOLE MONTH before the movie was released.
Wow...that song was really important to the film wasn't it? It made
the end credits so much more enjoyable (pardon my sarcasm).

I haven't seen "Hustle & Flow." Was "Pimp" actually played within the
film? Just from the title it sounds like it was more plot oriented
than most Academy-nominated songs. No matter, I still didn't think it
was anything special in a field of 3 not-so-special songs. Doesn't say
much for this category does it?

Scott

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Duane]

My perception of age and who's opinion counts is that the age qualification
of the status quo has taken a quantum leap downward.  Im 45.  When I was a
kid the people that you looked up to  and those in authority were in their
40s after working their way up to whatever position they were in.  Now that
I am in my 40s it seems that, for some reason, the batons are often held by
someone in their 20s or 30s and that their often(not always) hollow values
dictate to us what is good and bad.  Or at least they are trying to take the
baton and tell us what to perceive as good and bad in the arts and in life
in general. And that what is often considered good often has no
dimension...just flat as a piece of paper.

In Japan the previous generations, their accomplishments and opinions are
respected.  Here, if you are over a certain age line there is often disdain
and disregard from to younger ages towards the older ages...again, not
always...but often.  Right now in Hollywood, if you are a writer and over 45
you may have a very difficult time...in fact , I believe there is an age
discrimination suit going on in Hollywood right now.

So why does this happen?  Do they just have more time and energy on their
hands.  Are people that are older than they are just giving up their chairs
or too caught up in the rat race to make a stance.  The voters of the
academy should reflect the real numbers in the population so that all tastes
get a chance to pick the best of the best in an unbiased manner.  I mean I
still watch movies and I still think as do millions of people my age and
older. I believe that a majority of the population is over 40(I am not 100%
sure of that).  If 50 is the new 30 and 80 the new 50 then there are still a
lot of active minds out there that think and percieve that should be
counted.   The opinions of what is good should be ageless and influence all
ages.  I mean, why would a place in time stop a well written, directed and
performed movie with a surface plot and between the lines meaning be any
different in quality today as opposed to yesterday as opposed to  tomorrow?
Other than technology and special effects which should only enhance meaning
not replace it, but that is often not the case.

Maybe the catagories need to be broadenedbest song written by someone
under 40.  Best song written by someone over 40 and on and on.  Then have a
national internet vote of people that have watched/listened to truly decide
what the best of the best really is.

I have a hard time accepting change from a generation that has not learned
how to make change without the aid of an LED image.


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I'm not sure I agree that they were given in a political manner.. I would
more appropriately say the awards more closely represent the age difference
in people who are voting for the Academy today that just 10 years ago and it
is that the voters are younger, which is why no awards that I can think of
except the special one for Aldrich, were awarded to older actors, directors
etc.

3-6 Mafia is the most obvious, but my feelings are that the older generation
was perfectly snubbed by the voters.

Now I haven't seen Crash, so I can't compare it to the other films. But I
think that George Clooney or Spielberg should have been the winners for best
director.

Of course, I would go to my grave saying that either Dolly or Annie Lennox
(I liked Annie best. did she sing the song for the film, or just for the
Oscars ??) should have gotten best song and I can't imagine any older voter
going for 3-6 mafia. I mean, that song sounded more like garbage to me than
rock & roll did to my parents or my grandparents. What were they thinking??

But it is without a doubt part of the fact that corporate boardrooms are
more & more full of younger leaders and that older folks are being pushed to
the side, and damn.. I'm 49, and these awards even make me feel like I'm
older than any of the voters because the "philosophy" of these awards this
year is like being usurped by teenagers..

maybe they should start calling the Oscars the "X-Generation Film Awards"

Rich===

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Craig Goebel]

Title: Message



THE BEST MOVIE OF THE YEAR BAR NONE - AND WITH A MESSAGE MADE 
GOOD AND PROPER - WAS "A HISTORY OF VIOLENCE" (SCANDALOUSLY UNNOMINATED FOR ANY 
MAJOR AWARD: WILLIAM HURT NOTWITHSTANDING). DAVID CRONENBERG'S NOIR THRILLER 
ABOUT A MAN'S PAST BECOMING HIS FUTURE AND WHICH POINTEDLY IS BEYOND HIS CONTROL 
IS HYPER, SCARY, VIOLENT AND DETERMINEDLY HUMANISTIC;  APPARENTLY, 
DESPITE ITS UNFLINCHING VISION IT WAS NOT UNFORGETTABLE TO THE WIDER 
ACADEMY!
 
FURTHER, IT IS ARGUABLY THE FINEST MOVIE MADE ABOUT THE 
CONTEMPORARY LIFE (OF A MAN) IN AT LEAST THE LAST 10 YEARS. JUST LOOK THRU 
THE TOP 100 MOVIES PER YEAR ON THE IMDB FOR SOMETHING MORE TELLING. 

 
CRAIG

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  Duane 
  
  To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
  
  Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 12:15 
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  Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006
  
  What would you say was the best message 
  movie of the year?  
  

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AMTo: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDUSubject: 
    Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

The Oscars were distributed with 
politically-correct diversity this year, spread around the field, except: 
 A total snub for what I considered by far the "most important" of the 
message movies, GOOD NIGHT AND GOOD LUCK. 
 
I mean, making observations about tolerance and 
racial fears is all good and well, but is a film that handles it as 
gently as CRASH did likely to change this most basic aspect of human 
nature? Is a movie about gay sheepherders (not cowboys) going to alter 
people's gut-level reaction to non-traditional sexual preference? No, 
probably not much... but a film about the 
fanaticism and unconstitutional persecution of people during the McCarthy 
era *could* make a difference in this country's current dalliance with 
something all too similar in our "war on terrorism" if enough people 
saw it -- and an Oscar might have caused some more folks to give 
it a look. Whereas CRASH, the lightweight of the message films this year, 
isn't even at the theaters anymore and future viewings will be on DVD 
(exactly the thing the Academy was bitching about all night 
long).
 
So, do as I say for the Academy this year, 
don't do as I do.
 
And don't even get me started about giving a 
cleaned-up gangsta rap song the Award for Best Song of the 
Year.
 
Best song of the year? Yo' 
momma...!
 
-- JR
 
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Subject: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

And the Winners are...
 
Best 
PictureWinner: Crash Brokeback MountainGood Night and Good LuckMunichCapote
 


Best Director 
Winner: Ang Lee - 
Brokeback 
MountainSteven Spielberg - 
Munich Paul Haggis - 
CrashBennett Miller - 
CapoteGeorge Clooney - 
Good Night and Good Luck
 


Best 
ActorWinner: Philip Seymour Hoffman - 
CapoteDavid Strathairn - Good Night and Good LuckHeath Ledger - Brokeback 
Mountain Joaquin Phoenix - 
Walk the LineTerrence 
Howard - Hustle and Flow
 


Best 
ActressWinner: Reese Witherspoon - Walk the LineDame Judi 
Dench - Mrs Henderson PresentsFelicity Huffman - TransamericaCharlize Theron - North CountryKeira Knightley - Pride and Prejudice
 


Best Supporting 
ActorWinner: George Clooney - SyrianaJake Gyllenhaal - Brokeback 
MountainPaul Giamatti - Cinderella ManMatt Dillon - 
CrashWilliam Hurt - 
A History of Violence
 


Best Supporting 
ActressWinner: Rachel Weisz - The Constant GardenerMichelle Williams - Brokeback 
MountainFrances McDormand - North CountryAmy Adams - 
JunebugCatherine Keener - Capote
 


Best Documentary Feature 
Winner: March of the PenguinsDarwin's NightmareEnron: The Smartest Guys in the Room MurderballStreet 
Fight
 


Best Foreign Language Film 
Winner: Tsotsi (South Africa) Don't 
Tell (Italy) Joyeux Noel (France) Paradise Now 
(Palestinian territories) Sophie Scholl - The Final Days(Germany)
 


Best Film 
EditingWinner: Crash Cinerella 
Man The Constant Gardener 
Munich Walk the Line
 
Best Cinematography 
Winner: Memoirs of a GeishaBatman BeginsBrokeback 
MountainGood Night and Good LuckThe 
New World
 


Best Adapted 
ScreenplayWinner: Brokeback 
Mountain CapoteThe Constant GardenerA History of Violence 
Munich
 
Best Original Screenplay 
Winner: CrashGood Night and Good LuckMatch PointThe Squid and 
the WhaleSyriana
 

Re: [MOPO] Oscars 2006

[Steven Yafet]

	Kirby and JR both raise valid points about the Oscar for Best Song.  
Should it be music that's an integral part of the movie or a  good 
tune?  If you look at Oscar's  history in this, it's been one, both or 
neither.  Hard to imagine Dr. Zhivago without Somewhere My Love or 
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid with no  Raindrops Keep Fallin' on 
My Head.  And what about High Noon and Do Not Forsake Me, Oh My 
Darlin'?  We hear some songs frequently as easy listening but generally 
don't know where they came from without looking them up, as I had to 
do.   You'll Never Know (Hello Frisco, Hello) Thanks for the Memory 
(The Big Broadcast of 1938) Call Me Irresponsible (Papa's Delicate 
Condition) or even I Just Called to Say I Love You (The Woman in Red)
	Given the choices this year, maybe the voters made the best of what 
they had in choosing something that was important to the movie as well 
as an extremely popular kind of music.  The songs chosen by student 
performers in just about any high school talent show can prove just how 
popular.
	And who's to say what's good and what isn't?  Some songs are 
definitely more hummable but it comes down to personal taste in the 
end.


Nathalie
 


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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[Toochis Morin]

He's talented and a great sport.

Toochis





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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

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Thats Funny Hugh is also a client of mine.

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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[Jeff Potokar]

i wasnt going to say anything... but Hugh has also bought a few  
things from me, as well; i guess that makes him a client of mine, too.



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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[Franc]

I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the
midst of a Hollywood wet dream.  The show was awful and boring. I
couldn't believe the incompetence of the obituaries in which you
couldn't discern the names or images of the people being honored and
Queen Latifa had to sing about twenty choruses of "I'll Be Seeing You".
And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is over-hyped. I understand that the
award is a nod to the ever-expanding emerging markets in India and
Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay. All the other nominees
were far superior. I would have given the best picture award to
Frost/Nixon or Milk.  Glad Sean Penn won best actor over the also
over-hyped performance of Mickey Rouke.  Sometimes the voters don't like
to be told that a certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and
that's what I think happened with Rouke.  I stayed through the end of
the show with the help of the Fast Forward on my remote control but it
was one long snooze. FRANC 




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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[Doug Taylor]

I agree on all counts except Slumdog.  I think Slumdog deserved its win.
It's not an all-time great but it only needs to be better than this year's
competition, which I think it generally was.

 

I appreciated the originality of Slumdog's story.something we seem to see
less and less of these days.  (After the Oscars they were promoting the
remake of Fame.  ???  I didn't know they were doing one and just can't
believe there is a need to go through that again.

 

Personally, my Best Pictures for 2008 were:

 

1.Slumdog

2.Frost/Nixon (virtually in a tie with Slumdog, IMHO)

3.Ben Button

4.Milk

 

 

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From: MoPo List [mailto:mop...@listserv.american.edu] On Behalf Of Franc
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:44 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

 

I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the midst
of a Hollywood wet dream.  The show was awful and boring. I couldn't believe
the incompetence of the obituaries in which you couldn't discern the names
or images of the people being honored and Queen Latifa had to sing about
twenty choruses of "I'll Be Seeing You". And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is
over-hyped. I understand that the award is a nod to the ever-expanding
emerging markets in India and Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay.
All the other nominees were far superior. I would have given the best
picture award to Frost/Nixon or Milk.  Glad Sean Penn won best actor over
the also over-hyped performance of Mickey Rouke.  Sometimes the voters don't
like to be told that a certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and
that's what I think happened with Rouke.  I stayed through the end of the
show with the help of the Fast Forward on my remote control but it was one
long snooze. FRANC 

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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[lobby card invasion]

MessageMickey Rourke may have been placed in the midst of a Hollywood hype, but 
his performance was outstanding nontheless, and deserving of a nomination at 
the very least.  
Those who saw the the movie early on, before the hype, knew that they witnessed 
a great performance.  If I'm not mistaken, this is one example where the media 
jumped on the band wagon after word of mouth, from film-festival-goers, 
earmarked the movie as worthy.

Zeev


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  Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS


  I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the midst 
of a Hollywood wet dream.  The show was awful and boring. I couldn't believe 
the incompetence of the obituaries in which you couldn't discern the names or 
images of the people being honored and Queen Latifa had to sing about twenty 
choruses of "I'll Be Seeing You". And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is 
over-hyped. I understand that the award is a nod to the ever-expanding emerging 
markets in India and Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay. All the 
other nominees were far superior. I would have given the best picture award to 
Frost/Nixon or Milk.  Glad Sean Penn won best actor over the also over-hyped 
performance of Mickey Rouke.  Sometimes the voters don't like to be told that a 
certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and that's what I think 
happened with Rouke.  I stayed through the end of the show with the help of the 
Fast Forward on my remote control but it was one long snooze. FRANC 
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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[Jbohmss]

I think Dark Knight was the best film of 2008...It wasn't nominated because  
it's a comic book adaption but it was perfect entertainment.
 
Why do we always have to have an arty farty film as best  picture?

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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[David Kusumoto]

I was extremely disappointed with Sean Penn's win.  Sean Penn is an outstanding 
actor who gave an uncharacteristically loose, engaging and wonderful turn as an 
heroic figure -- in what I thought was a conventionally structured, 
by-the-numbers-bio-pic capped with the standard "where-are-they-now" text 
epilogue.  His performance was noble and deserving -- but his victory was 
politically correct and in keeping with the Academy's self-seriousness to 
anoint things historic that makes it feel good about itself (hence the standing 
ovation).  

 

But in my view, the demands of his role paled compared to Mickey Rourke's 
shattering, full-range performance in "The Wrestler."  I am not a fan of Mickey 
Rourke and dislike him intensely.  But I could not ignore -- having seen all 
the performances nominated this year -- what he did in this picture, from start 
to finish.  His character was an exercise in total immersion, on par with what 
I believe have been the best larger-than-life performances nominated since 1980 
-- including De Niro in Raging Bull (win), Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs 
(win), and Liam Neeson in Schindler's List (lost to Tom Hanks).  

 

I dreaded paying to see "The Wrestler" -- expecting over-the-top nonsense.  But 
I came away very moved with Rourke, the film's spectacular ending, and the 
behind-the-scenes exploration of a sub-culture with which many are unfamiliar.  
Rourke is not part of the Hollywood clique and never had anything "sewn up."  
Penn's win by the gigantic voting block that make up the SAG awards last month 
-- re-confirmed Rourke's outsider status (Rourke is considered a social and 
political pariah out here) -- and made Penn the odds-on favorite by many last 
night.  I think the Brits got it right when BAFTA named Rourke Best Actor.  
BAFTA is not as plagued by the anomalies of Hollywood voting as AMPAS.  -kuz.
 


Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 10:07:55 -0500
From: lobb...@rogers.com
Subject: Re: MOPO] OSCARS
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU




Mickey Rourke may have been placed in the midst of a Hollywood hype, but his 
performance was outstanding nontheless, and deserving of a nomination at the 
very least.  Those who saw the the movie early on, before the hype, knew that 
they witnessed a great performance.  If I'm not mistaken, this is one example 
where the media jumped on the band wagon after word of mouth, from 
film-festival-goers, earmarked the movie as worthy.
 
Zeev
 
 

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From: Franc 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS


I think Hugh Jackman is a really talented guy caught last night in the midst of 
a Hollywood wet dream.  The show was awful and boring. I couldn't believe the 
incompetence of the obituaries in which you couldn't discern the names or 
images of the people being honored and Queen Latifa had to sing about twenty 
choruses of "I'll Be Seeing You". And frankly, Slumdog Millionaire is 
over-hyped. I understand that the award is a nod to the ever-expanding emerging 
markets in India and Pakistan but I thought the film was only okay. All the 
other nominees were far superior. I would have given the best picture award to 
Frost/Nixon or Milk.  Glad Sean Penn won best actor over the also over-hyped 
performance of Mickey Rouke.  Sometimes the voters don't like to be told that a 
certain actor or actress has an award all sown up and that's what I think 
happened with Rouke.  I stayed through the end of the show with the help of the 
Fast Forward on my remote control but it was one long snooze. FRANC 


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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[Joseph Bonelli]

Because "arty-farty" films don't have the Peoples' Choice Awards!!  (Smile)
 
Joe B-- pleased with the Oscars in NOLA


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I think Dark Knight was the best film of 2008...It wasn't nominated because 
it's a comic book adaption but it was perfect entertainment.
 
Why do we always have to have an arty farty film as best picture?
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Re: [MOPO] MOPO] OSCARS

[Craig Miller]

At 12:18 PM 2/23/2009, David Kusumoto wrote:
I was extremely disappointed with Sean Penn's win.  Sean Penn is an 
outstanding actor who gave an uncharacteristically loose, engaging 
and wonderful turn as an heroic figure -- in what I thought was a 
conventionally structured, by-the-numbers-bio-pic capped with the 
standard "where-are-they-now" text epilogue.  His performance was 
noble and deserving -- but his victory was politically correct and 
in keeping with the Academy's self-seriousness to anoint things 
historic that makes it feel good about itself (hence the standing ovation).


But in my view, the demands of his role paled compared to Mickey 
Rourke's shattering, full-range performance in "The Wrestler."  I am 
not a fan of Mickey Rourke and dislike him intensely.  But I could 
not ignore -- having seen all the performances nominated this year 
-- what he did in this picture, from start to finish.  His character 
was an exercise in total immersion, on par with what I believe have 
been the best larger-than-life performances nominated since 1980 -- 
including De Niro in Raging Bull (win), Hopkins in Silence of the 
Lambs (win), and Liam Neeson in Schindler's List (lost to Tom Hanks).


This was, by far, Sean Penn's best performance.  He's a heavily mannered
actor whose  performances are always full of the things actors love:
screaming, crying, dying, being mentally handicapped.  You can always
see "acting".  But in "Milk", he gave a subtle, nuanced performance that
wasn't full of ticks.  He relaxed into the character and stopped being "Sean
Penn, A*c*t*o*r".  I thought he deserved the award (although I also thought
that Mickey Rourke was excellent).

While not related to who should win for their performance, I thought "Milk"
a better film than "The Wrestler".  Rourke and Marisa Tomei were both
great but the film was only "okay".

Craig.



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Re: [MOPO] Oscars - Ethan Coen

[Movielegends]

I personally thought the entire Academy Awards show was DEAD!
  If it wasn't for those snippets of past Oscar ceremonies, I would have fallen 
asleep.
   
  It definately lacked the "pizzazz" of past years.
   
  My 2 cents.
  Kevin/Movielegends

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[MOPO] Oscars -- an International Year

[channinglylethomson]

The top acting awards were all foreign:

Actor -- Daniel Day Lewis
Actress -- Marion Cottilard
Supporting Actor -- Javiar Bardem
Supporting Actress -- Tilda Swinton

This occurred in 1965 as well when the Awards went to:

Actor -- Rex Harrison
Actress -- Julie Christie
Supporting Actor -- Peter Ustinov
Supporting Actress -- Lila Kedrova

It seems these thing go in cycles.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars - Ethan Coen

[Doug Taylor]

I'm not a fan of the Oscar broadcast.  I like knowing who won, in real-time,
but don't like having to watch.

 

I used to receive tickets to the Oscars, and attended from the early 80's to
the early 90's, but even then I didn't watch.  I'd spend most of the night
in the bar area downstairs in the Dorothy Chandler or less comfortably in
the lobby areas of the Shrine chatting with winners and nominees who didn't
return to their seats after their category.  We'd watch it on TV and tell
stories.  It was great fun.

 

Anyway, the broadcast is difficult for me to watch.  In the days when Johnny
Carson was hosting it wasn't so bad because he would almost always do
something to entertain the crowd during the commercial breaks.  That was
worth staying in your seat for.

 

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I personally thought the entire Academy Awards show was DEAD!

If it wasn't for those snippets of past Oscar ceremonies, I would have
fallen asleep.

 

It definately lacked the "pizzazz" of past years.

 

My 2 cents.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars - Ethan Coen

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good post Doug - Carson was my fave
Doug Taylor wrote:

I'm not a fan of the Oscar broadcast.  I like knowing who won, in 
real-time, but don't like having to watch.


 

I used to receive tickets to the Oscars, and attended from the early 
80's to the early 90's, but even then I didn't watch.  I'd spend most 
of the night in the bar area downstairs in the Dorothy Chandler or 
less comfortably in the lobby areas of the Shrine chatting with 
winners and nominees who didn't return to their seats after their 
category.  We'd watch it on TV and tell stories.  It was great fun.


 

Anyway, the broadcast is difficult for me to watch.  In the days when 
Johnny Carson was hosting it wasn't so bad because he would almost 
always do something to entertain the crowd during the commercial 
breaks.  That was worth staying in your seat for.


 


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I personally thought the entire Academy Awards show was DEAD!

If it wasn't for those snippets of past Oscar ceremonies, I would have 
fallen asleep.


 


It definately lacked the "pizzazz" of past years.

 


My 2 cents.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars - Ethan Coen

[Jeff Potokar]

carson was great, billy crystal had his years, even ellen degeneres  
was a good MC and her comedic delivery made jokes funny... jon  
stewart was absolutely the wrong choice.


jeff

On Feb 25, 2008, at 4:45 PM, Tom Martin wrote:


 good post Doug - Carson was my fave
Doug Taylor wrote:
I’m not a fan of the Oscar broadcast.  I like knowing who won, in  
real-time, but don’t like having to watch.


I used to receive tickets to the Oscars, and attended from the  
early 80’s to the early 90’s, but even then I didn’t watch.  I’d  
spend most of the night in the bar area downstairs in the Dorothy  
Chandler or less comfortably in the lobby areas of the Shrine  
chatting with winners and nominees who didn’t return to their  
seats after their category.  We’d watch it on TV and tell  
stories.  It was great fun.


Anyway, the broadcast is difficult for me to watch.  In the days  
when Johnny Carson was hosting it wasn’t so bad because he would  
almost always do something to entertain the crowd during the  
commercial breaks.  That was worth staying in your seat for.


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I personally thought the entire Academy Awards show was DEAD!
If it wasn't for those snippets of past Oscar ceremonies, I would  
have fallen asleep.


It definately lacked the "pizzazz" of past years.

My 2 cents.
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[MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like

[steve84]

All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the 
segment where they honored the people who died in the last year.  They 
spent so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out 
on the screen that there were some names that you could not read.  That 
is not a segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it 
fancy.  Just focus on the screen and leave it alone.


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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -- left out again

[Joseph Bonelli]

Another promising young talent who wasted his potential and his life in tragic 
involvement with drugs and misjudgement also died right before last year's 
Oscars.  He was not mentioned in last year's montage.
And he was not mentioned in this year's montage either.
His name was Brad Renfro.
 
Too bad Sir Ian McKellan wasn't at last night's Oscars to comment-- as he has 
in the past.
 
Joe B in NOLA
 
PS- I agree with all of you in regards the mishandling of this segment of the 
show.
 
Joe

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From: Dave Rosen 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 4:30 PM



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Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end:
http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/3619081301
 
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Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting to see the 
audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him. And he did pass away in 
'08 so he should have been included?
 
Dave Smith
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That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch was being 
honored.

Frustrating!
Toochis





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I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder.
 
Bruce


On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84  wrote:

All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the segment 
where they honored the people who died in the last year.  They spent so much 
time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the screen that 
there were some names that you could not read.  That is not a segment that they 
should be messing with and trying to make it fancy.  Just focus on the screen 
and leave it alone.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -- left out again

[Jeff Potokar]

i agree with you, too, joe. brad renfro was a very good actor,  
especially being SO much younger when he began his career. also  
troubled and got himself in trouble, too. the academy's selective  
memory is more than a little troubling.


jeff


On Feb 23, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Bonelli wrote:

Another promising young talent who wasted his potential and his  
life in tragic involvement with drugs and misjudgement also died  
right before last year's Oscars.  He was not mentioned in last  
year's montage.

And he was not mentioned in this year's montage either.
His name was Brad Renfro.

Too bad Sir Ian McKellan wasn't at last night's Oscars to comment--  
as he has in the past.


Joe B in NOLA

PS- I agree with all of you in regards the mishandling of this  
segment of the show.


Joe

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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like
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Date: Monday, February 23, 2009, 4:30 PM

Yup, here he is in last year's montage, at the very end:
http://www.truveo.com/80th-Annual-Academy-Awards-In-Memorium/id/ 
3619081301


Dave
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Did they even show Heath during the memorium segment? I was waiting  
to see the audience reaction and I don't recall they showed him.  
And he did pass away in '08 so he should have been included?


Dave Smith
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like

That segment really angered me especially since my mentor Nina Foch  
was being honored.


Frustrating!
Toochis

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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 11:37:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like

I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder.

Bruce

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84  wrote:
All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was  
the segment where they honored the people who died in the last  
year.  They spent so much time trying to feature the singer and  
zooming in and out on the screen that there were some names that  
you could not read.  That is not a segment that they should be  
messing with and trying to make it fancy.  Just focus on the screen  
and leave it alone.


Steve


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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE-piss poor joke

[AMAZCOLMAN]

Sorry if I offended anyone other then Marion Cotillard herself, but the  
floor was most assuredly slippery near the podium, but I have no idea how or  
when 
it happened. I was only trying to adorn a boring awards show with a bit of  
scandalous humor, referring to the belief that Edith Piaf herself actullay  
urinated on stage during a performance. Seeing people slip and slide towards 
the  
podium was a bit suspensful in fear that someone would really hurt 
themselves.  Fortunately that did not happen, but it was one of those little 
things that 
kept  me watching those odd little details as there was not much else 
commanding my  attention! I thought perhaps some comic genious would seize the 
moment 
and add  some spice to the show using the slippery spot as a prop, but no 
such luck. 
 
In regard to LA VIE EN ROSE, I was rivited by Cotillard's performance  
enhanced by hours of hair and makeup work, but was in no way pleased with the  
films 
overall portrayal of Piaf herself. It made her seem like real trash  and left 
out anything redeeming she did for others in her short life. I do  however 
understand that this was more a story about love and passion than an  accurate 
bio of her life. Sad as her life was, the film did not paint her in a  good 
light in my eyes, but I did find the film entertaining and left with a tear  in 
my eye at the end. 



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Re: [MOPO] Oscars -SNOOZEABLE-piss poor joke

[lobby card invasion]

Your "piss poor joke", as you yourself called it, was totally out of place, 
irresponsible, and I doubt you'd make such a comment when not hiding behind the 
anonimity of a computer and keyboard.

Your attempt to bury  this unfortunate comment in a quasi critique of the movie 
did not work in my case.

Zeev

  

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  Sorry if I offended anyone other then Marion Cotillard herself, but the floor 
was most assuredly slippery near the podium, but I have no idea how or when it 
happened. I was only trying to adorn a boring awards show with a bit of 
scandalous humor, referring to the belief that Edith Piaf herself actullay 
urinated on stage during a performance. Seeing people slip and slide towards 
the podium was a bit suspensful in fear that someone would really hurt 
themselves. Fortunately that did not happen, but it was one of those little 
things that kept me watching those odd little details as there was not much 
else commanding my attention! I thought perhaps some comic genious would seize 
the moment and add some spice to the show using the slippery spot as a prop, 
but no such luck. 

  In regard to LA VIE EN ROSE, I was rivited by Cotillard's performance 
enhanced by hours of hair and makeup work, but was in no way pleased with the 
films overall portrayal of Piaf herself. It made her seem like real trash and 
left out anything redeeming she did for others in her short life. I do however 
understand that this was more a story about love and passion than an accurate 
bio of her life. Sad as her life was, the film did not paint her in a good 
light in my eyes, but I did find the film entertaining and left with a tear in 
my eye at the end. 





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[MOPO] Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud

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It's Official:
   
  Oscars Are a TV Ratings Dud
  By Associated Press
  8:18 AM EST, February 26, 2008
  NEW YORK
  The Oscars are a ratings dud. Nielsen Media Research says preliminary ratings 
for the 80th annual Academy Awards telecast are 14 percent lower than the 
least-watched ceremony ever.

Nielsen said Monday that overnight ratings are also 21 percent lower than last 
year, when "The Departed" was named best picture.

The least-watched Oscars ceremony ever was in 2003, when there were 33 million 
viewers.

Nielsen has no estimate yet on how many people watched Sunday night, but based 
on ratings from the nation's biggest markets, the Oscars will be hard-pressed 
to avoid an ignominious record.

The show had a 21.9 rating and 33 share.

   
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

[Joseph Bonelli]

Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!!
 
Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I felt 
that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the BEST 
certainly the "best" in this era.
And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach & Company 
ON-stage-&-camera for their well-deserved ovation!!
 
Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the "digital set" 
worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable representatives of the 
best that "New Hollywood" has to offer in 2011, and...best of all, that the 
show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was not.
 
Joe B in NOLA
 


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Yep.






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Subject: [MOPO] Oscars

I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one 
ever. .

Channing

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

[Kirby McDaniel]

Worst show ever???   I disagree.  I thought the show was pretty good.

Mounting this telecast is somewhat like maneuvering the Spruce Goose.  That 
they can
get it done at all, given how immense it is, is impressive.

And worst show ever?  Not even close.  I guess you guys don't remember Rob Lowe 
dancing with
Snow White.

And Franco and Hathaway are appealing.  Loved his dress!  And it's
about time that the MOTHERS got some recognition.

I think the competition for awards this year was as stiff as I've ever seen it, 
especially
in the acting categories.  But in all of it really.

I will say that their major comp -- the Grammys -- was very snazzy this year, 
although
the lead vocals during that show were sometimes mixed to near-inaudable.

I propose an awards show for poster collectors -- THE MOPEYS.

Best Dealer
Best Curmudgeon Collector
Hottest New Collector
Cheapest Collector
Best Forger  (Kerry Haggard wins every year)
Best Achievement in Auctions
Snottiest Dealer
Snootiest Dealer
Most Clueless Collector
Worst Designed Poster

etc


Kirby 



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On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:04 AM, jimepisale3 wrote:

> I have to agree with Joe. Although still too long for me to make it til the 
> end I felt that there was a smoothness to the production. And if you are the 
> type that enjoys watching endless thank yous to everyone including UNION help 
> it was worth watching until the end
>  
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> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Joseph 
> Bonelli
> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 AM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!
>  
> Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!!
>  
> Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I 
> felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the 
> BEST certainly the "best" in this era.
> And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach & Company 
> ON-stage-&-camera for their well-deserved ovation!!
>  
> Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the "digital 
> set" worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable representatives 
> of the best that "New Hollywood" has to offer in 2011, and...best of all, 
> that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was not.
>  
> Joe B in NOLA
>  
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin  wrote:
> 
> From: Toochis Morin 
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM
> 
> Yep.
>  
>  
> From: channinglylethomson 
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM
> Subject: [MOPO] Oscars
> 
> I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst one 
> ever. .
> 
> Channing
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

[Doug Taylor]

I'm the "Most Clueless Collector".

 

Regards,

 

DBT

 

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Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

 

Worst show ever???   I disagree.  I thought the show was pretty good.

 

Mounting this telecast is somewhat like maneuvering the Spruce Goose.  That
they can

get it done at all, given how immense it is, is impressive.

 

And worst show ever?  Not even close.  I guess you guys don't remember Rob
Lowe dancing with

Snow White.

 

And Franco and Hathaway are appealing.  Loved his dress!  And it's

about time that the MOTHERS got some recognition.

 

I think the competition for awards this year was as stiff as I've ever seen
it, especially

in the acting categories.  But in all of it really.

 

I will say that their major comp -- the Grammys -- was very snazzy this
year, although

the lead vocals during that show were sometimes mixed to near-inaudable.

 

I propose an awards show for poster collectors -- THE MOPEYS.

 

Best Dealer

Best Curmudgeon Collector

Hottest New Collector

Cheapest Collector

Best Forger  (Kerry Haggard wins every year)

Best Achievement in Auctions

Snottiest Dealer

Snootiest Dealer

Most Clueless Collector

Worst Designed Poster

 

etc

 

 

Kirby 

 

 

 

Kirby McDaniel

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P.O. Box 4419

Austin TX 78765-4419

512 479 6680  www.movieart.net

mobile 512 589 5112

 

On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:04 AM, jimepisale3 wrote:





I have to agree with Joe. Although still too long for me to make it til the
end I felt that there was a smoothness to the production. And if you are the
type that enjoys watching endless thank yous to everyone including UNION
help it was worth watching until the end

 

 

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To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

 


Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!!

 

Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen, I
felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of the
BEST certainly the "best" in this era.

And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach & Company
ON-stage-&-camera for their well-deserved ovation!!

 

Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the "digital
set" worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable
representatives of the best that "New Hollywood" has to offer in 2011,
and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it was
not.

 

Joe B in NOLA

 



--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin  wrote:


From: Toochis Morin 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM

Yep.

 

 


  _  


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Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM
Subject: [MOPO] Oscars

I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the worst
one ever. .

Channing

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

[Walton, Jeffrey]

If this show was to promote the new, younger, hip audience which they
claimed to docan I ask why in the first 15 minutes do the hash out
Gone with the Wind from 1939 and get the oldest known actor still alive
to give out an award?  

 

I bailed within the first 45 minutes.

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 12:06 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

 

Worst show ever???   I disagree.  I thought the show was pretty good.

 

Mounting this telecast is somewhat like maneuvering the Spruce Goose.
That they can

get it done at all, given how immense it is, is impressive.

 

And worst show ever?  Not even close.  I guess you guys don't remember
Rob Lowe dancing with

Snow White.

 

And Franco and Hathaway are appealing.  Loved his dress!  And it's

about time that the MOTHERS got some recognition.

 

I think the competition for awards this year was as stiff as I've ever
seen it, especially

in the acting categories.  But in all of it really.

 

I will say that their major comp -- the Grammys -- was very snazzy this
year, although

the lead vocals during that show were sometimes mixed to near-inaudable.

 

I propose an awards show for poster collectors -- THE MOPEYS.

 

Best Dealer

Best Curmudgeon Collector

Hottest New Collector

Cheapest Collector

Best Forger  (Kerry Haggard wins every year)

Best Achievement in Auctions

Snottiest Dealer

Snootiest Dealer

Most Clueless Collector

Worst Designed Poster

 

etc

 

 

Kirby 

 

 

 

Kirby McDaniel

MovieArt Original Film Posters

P.O. Box 4419

Austin TX 78765-4419

512 479 6680  www.movieart.net

mobile 512 589 5112

 

On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:04 AM, jimepisale3 wrote:





I have to agree with Joe. Although still too long for me to make it til
the end I felt that there was a smoothness to the production. And if you
are the type that enjoys watching endless thank yous to everyone
including UNION help it was worth watching until the end

 

 

Check out our shop page

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Unshredded-Nostalgia/128881892341

Check out our shop video

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Joseph Bonelli
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 9:55 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

 

Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!!

 

Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen,
I felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of
the BEST certainly the "best" in this era.

And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach & Company
ON-stage-&-camera for their well-deserved ovation!!

 

Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the
"digital set" worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable
representatives of the best that "New Hollywood" has to offer in 2011,
and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it
was not.

 

Joe B in NOLA

 



--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin  wrote:


From: Toochis Morin 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM

Yep.

 

 





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Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:19:08 PM
Subject: [MOPO] Oscars

I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely
the worst one ever. .

Channing

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!

[Franc]

It was a very boring show. The only way I got through it was with my
DVR. I began watching the show about one hour into the actual live
broadcast and I hit fast forward through all the commercials and most of
the acceptance speeches.  I think I watched the entire show in less than
2 hours. For me there were a few good moments such as Kirk Douglas'
presentation and Eli Wallach's standing O but to me Justin Timberlake
and Sandra Bullock aren't even Grade 'A' players, let alone stars and
the choice of the hosts was absurd. At least the obits were done better
this year in that you could actually see the screen! 
 
FRANC
 
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- Best show in years!




Now, Toochis and Channing, I have to totally disagree!!!
 
Whereas LAST year's Oscar broadcast was indeed the WORST I've ever seen,
I felt that all those kinks were worked out and that THIS one was one of
the BEST certainly the "best" in this era.
And the Academy had the grace this year to bring Eli Wallach & Company
ON-stage-&-camera for their well-deserved ovation!!
 
Seriously, I felt the show moved well, that the montages and the
"digital set" worked well, the hosts were attractive and knowledgeable
representatives of the best that "New Hollywood" has to offer in 2011,
and...best of all, that the show seemed hours SHORTER than usual when it
was not.
 
Joe B in NOLA
 


--- On Mon, 2/28/11, Toochis Morin  wrote:



From: Toochis Morin 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Monday, February 28, 2011, 1:25 AM


Yep. 



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Subject: [MOPO] Oscars

I've seen MANY Academy Awards telecasts and that was absolutely the
worst one ever. .

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons

[Joseph Bonelli]

Sorry, guys!!  Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number!
 
On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!!
 
Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as "Bacchus")
 
PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV "personality" hosts!
 
 
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From: Jeff Potokar 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM


i agree doug...


that was PATHETIC.


jeff





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If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3 
hours of our lives.
 
My gawd.
 




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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons

[CK MacLeod]

As for the show, the production values were better than the content, just
like most of the movies.

As a complete non-fan of Hollywood's "prestige" offerings - AMERICAN BEAUTY,
CRASH, BENJAMIN BUTTON, etc.  - and as a firm believer that the best of the
"action" (and sometimes animation and other technique-heavy) films come
closer to what the movies are really about and what contemporary film makers
do best - I was particularly disappointed to see the effects awards also
going to the boring movies.

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Sorry, guys!!  Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number!

On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!!

Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as "Bacchus")

PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV "personality" hosts!


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From: Jeff Potokar 
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM
i agree doug...

that was PATHETIC.

jeff


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If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling 3
hours of our lives.

My gawd.

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Re: [MOPO] Oscars what I didnt like

[Bruce Hershenson]

I thought I was the only one bothered by that! A major blunder.

Bruce

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 12:50 PM, steve84  wrote:

> All in all I thought it was a good show but what I did not like was the
> segment where they honored the people who died in the last year.  They spent
> so much time trying to feature the singer and zooming in and out on the
> screen that there were some names that you could not read.  That is not a
> segment that they should be messing with and trying to make it fancy.  Just
> focus on the screen and leave it alone.
>
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Re: [MOPO] Oscars-- best show in eons

[Bruce Hershenson]

Joe, maybe you have to be an old-timer *AND* a big Broadway fan to have
liked it.

I thought the opening was a bit tacky, but Jackman is a true star who made
it work. And Anne Hathaway was wonderful, and that bit was quite clever. I
notice that Jackman and Hathaway had real chemistry, something sorely
missing from so many current movies.

Bruce

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Joseph Bonelli wrote:

>   Sorry, guys!!  Totally disagree with you both. Loved the opening number!
>
> On the whole, not only Jackman but the show is the best in years!!
>
> Joe B in NOLA (skipping Val Kilmer's Canal Street ride as "Bacchus")
>
> PS-- Thank God for NO lame US-TV "personality" hosts!
>
>
> Happy Lundi Gras (today) and Mardi Gras (Tuesday!) to all.
>
>
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> From: Jeff Potokar 
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Oscars
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 7:51 PM
>
> i agree doug...
> that was PATHETIC.
>
> jeff
>
>
>  On Feb 22, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Doug Taylor wrote:
>
>  If that opening number is any indication, this will be the most grueling
> 3 hours of our lives.
>
> My gawd.
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