Re: Here's what's horrendous about Mozilla
Hmm, you know I thought about this and, after trying out a few back and forwards, realized that there is a 1-2 second lag in displaying the page, which is annoying. The reason why I didn't think of this is that, without consciously realizing the fact, I have altered my browsing habits to compensate. When I navigate in a site, I have started opening the next page in a new tab. Then, going back is just a matter of closing the tab, which is fast. Same here! :)
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nobody Special at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02-01-23 22.20: Chris Nelson wrote: Mozilla will never seriously take off with respect to market share. That sounds like a bullshit argument. Logically, it's utter crap. Come up with something better. --chris Are you an idiot, or just acting like one? Frankly, I find the stand by Mozilla, right OR WRONG sentiment to be the *real* bullshit around here. People care about performance. snip Totaly true.
Mozilla Developer Event at Carnegie Mellon University March 1 and 2
Mozilla.org is planning a Developer event March 1 and 2 at Carnegie Mellon University. The location allows those on the East Coast of the U.S. and Canada a chance to attend without paying New York city-like prices. Our facilities are being provided by CMU (thanks to Kevin Lenzo, CMU Faculty Member and President of Yet Another Society ), so we hope to keep the registration fee in the $50.00 range. More details on this and related logistics will be provided in subsequent notices. This message is intended to generate input from those who might attend. We're interested in knowing what would be of interest so we can finalize the schedule. If you're interested enough to fill out a simple survey, you'll find a link below. Please do not fill out the survey if you know you won't be coming. Here's what we have in mind so far: State of Mozilla talk by Mitchell Baker. The focus of this talk will be those things other than code that make up Project activities. Mozilla 1.0 Update by Peter Bojanic. Peter is a mozilla.org staff associate member, and is actively involved with in getting Mozilla 1.0 completed. Calendar functionality for Mozilla by Mike Potter. Mike Potter is a developer and the maintainer of Mozilla's Calendar functionality, which was contributed to Mozilla by OEone . This is an excellent opportunity for those interested in contributing to Calendar to talk with initial developers. Mozilla Community Activities by David Boswell. David is a co-founder and maintainer of mozdev.org . Scott Collins, XPCOM and strings hacker as well as mozilla.org staff member, will attend and can speak on a range of technical issues Frank Hecker, mozilla.org staff Policy Wonk will also be in attendance, we'll see what's on his mind. A second Business Forum/ Project Management discussion by Mitchell Baker and/or Frank Hecker Mingling, demos, birds of a feather We hope to have a discussion of Post 1.0 Topics/Issues, we're thinking about who would be a good presenter for this. We're contemplating a tutorial or advanced discussion of a piece of Mozilla functionality, but need to determine interest level and potential presenters. Think you are likely to join us? Please fill out the survey so we can plan with your thoughts in mind. Mitchell
Re: suggestion for new kind of evangelisim
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], n@a says... JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 22 Jan 2002: Let's see... 36 million, carry the one... ALMOST FIVE *BILLION* PEOPLE ARE USING SOMETHING *OTHER* THAN MOZILLA?!?!?!??! There are not 5 billion people with net access. There are almost 5 Certainly, there much less than 5 billion ppl has inet/access but I am *sure* that you cannot count 36 MILLION mozilla/netscape user as well. As someone mentioned, if you have 0.75% market share, it would be hard to ask someone to change THEIR product in order to make YOUR product display the result well. -- -- Regards, Waleri
Re: Netscape Sues Microsoft
I hope netscape win, then AOL can replace IE with urgh *mozilla*. Then the browser war is on again ! Best of all, if netscape gets a lot of money, they could kill the open source shit and make a new fast browser, perhaps by buying opera.
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--- Mitchell Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mozilla.org will take advantage of the FOSDEM (Free and Open Source Software Developers' Meeting) in Brussels to organize its second European Developer Meeting on Feb 16th and 17th. While the schedule is still tentative, we plan to have sessions regarding various topics such as XUL, the internals of the DOM, the upcoming O'Reilly book on Creating Applications with Mozilla, and Localization, among others. See http://eu.mozdev.org/ for more info about this meeting, how to register, and where to find the schedule. More about FOSDEM can be found at http://www.fosdem.org/ Mozilla.org will also have a one-hour slot at FOSDEM where we will discuss standards support, evangelism, Bugzilla, and the overall Mozilla project. Registration is free, but we encourage you to donate to FOSDEM who will be hosting this meeting, and to save a few Euros to have a drink and a pizza while discussing Mozilla! Mitchell __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com
Can't use mail in build 23 Jan
Can't see e-mail icon in Build 23 Jan, nor is it in the tasks dropdown menu. Wonder where it went, gone back to previous build for a while. Ctl+2 doesn't bring it up either. Nev
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
Back and forward functions, is not a big issue if you use tabbed browsing. open all the pages in desired page as new tab (middle click or ctrl+left click), then rarely you will need to go back and forward. As a result, your #1 problem comment is not logical since there is an esay solution. Nobody Special wrote: Back and Forward Back and Forward Back and Forward Sure, Mozilla can load a page the *first* time pretty fast, but hit the back or forward buttons to re-display a page, and Mozilla takes forever! IE (and especially Opera) simply kill Mozilla when it comes to user *perception* of performance because of this issue, and until something is done about it, Mozilla will never seriously take off with respect to market share. Just my $0.02
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
in article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 02-01-24 11.07: Back and forward functions, is not a big issue if you use tabbed browsing. open all the pages in desired page as new tab (middle click or ctrl+left click), then rarely you will need to go back and forward. As a result, your #1 problem comment is not logical since there is an esay solution. snip So if my car cannot accereate 0-100 in 10 seconds, i should get bicycle pedals and attach them to the wheels to achive it ? Stop being like politicians, i don´t want to solve anything by not using it and instead using something else. that´s sick. I use back and forward. I also use tabs, which was invented just because the poor new window performance i belive. Deal with the core instead of just making up temoprary solutions.
Is it a bug?I always got an alert when receiveing mails
I have a lot of mails on my IMAP server and added some message filters, but when I try to get msg, the alert box popup and tell me The current command did not succeed. The mail server responded: missing required argument to UID copy. any good methods ?
New mozilla logo and design (commie re:)
Why not get a proffesional to design a real logo and graphical style for the mozilla. The design of the site and logo and splash screen looks like shit. Looks like a 12 yearold drew it in psp. And please do not let any open source guy do it, they seem to not be so graphical. HIRE A DESIGN FIRM! Beg Netscape for the money to it. Mozilla would benefit from a more serious approach.
Re: Can't use mail in build 23 Jan
Neville Cobb wrote: Can't see e-mail icon in Build 23 Jan, nor is it in the tasks dropdown menu. Wonder where it went, gone back to previous build for a while. Ctl+2 doesn't bring it up either. Nev what platform? OS? version? did you try a new profile? .. what does Ctrl+2, isn't that for labels? oh wait Windows Key+0..5 is labels on w2k. -dman84
Re: Can't use mail in build 23 Jan
dman84 wrote: Neville Cobb wrote: Can't see e-mail icon in Build 23 Jan, nor is it in the tasks dropdown menu. Wonder where it went, gone back to previous build for a while. Ctl+2 doesn't bring it up either. Nev what platform? OS? version? did you try a new profile? .. what does Ctrl+2, isn't that for labels? oh wait Windows Key+0..5 is labels on w2k. -dman84 just a note: works fine for me on w2k.. and Ctrl+2 brings up my mail/news window. nevermind that labels part as it wouldn't work till you get that mail/news open anyway.
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
Blake Ross wrote: [...] You're thinking too much like a highly technical user and not enough like a mom and pop end user. The idea that most users would stop using a Mozilla-based distribution because its back/forward performance is slightly worse than that of IE is ridiculous. Most users likely would not even identify the distribution as the source of the problem, assuming instead that it's some problem with their system. The average mom and pop end user wouldn't bother trying Mozilla or any of its derivatives, but stay with the browser that came with the OS. Those of us who install alternate browsers do it because we're not satisfied with our current browsers, and expect improvements by changing to another one. Therefore, back/forward performance _is_ an issue for Mozilla's potential users, although I'm not so sure if it's _the_ #1 problem..
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:21:17 -0500, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Sikkema wrote: Myself [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] in the newgroup(s) netscape.public.mozilla.general: WTF is wrong with rich text mail? Seriously - I want to know. It's clear there are people religous about it so I'd like to understand why some people think mail and newsgroups must only be plain text. Apart from that most people choose unreadable fonts/colors it's the fact that they include images from external servers -- Andreas Sikkema [EMAIL PROTECTED] Even in HTML what you see is basically what you see on your end so if you see lousy email in Html it what you have set. as so the images. what's wrong with that (except in the case of UCE) if you have a decent internet Connection and a decent Computer (regardless of platform). What do you consider a decent internet connection and a decent computer? Perhaps you should remember that many people, especially those _not_ in the USA, may not be able to afford a cable or ADSL connection. I know that in my area such a connection is in excess of my spare cash for a month. My yearly spare cash may pay the fee for about a month. Some people, especially those on a fixed (pension) income, cannot afford to upgrade their computer and make do with whatever they can lay their hands on. Personally if I see an e-mail or usenet post with html I either delete it or send it straight to spamcop. I never read it. I have even deleted an e-mail from one of my children unread because it had that rubbish in it. If I could turn off the html as I can the Javascript for e-mails I would be happy. If you want to waste bandwidth by sending enormous amounts of unnecessary trash don't send it to me. It's about time you started considering other people. They maybe don't earn as much as you.
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:19:46 +1100, Myself [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok. I'm gone. Wonderful.
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:56:48 +1100, Myself [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm, well let's see. We could ask a mailer to auto-send as plain text if there's no formatting or if size to actual text content is some ratio... but why bother? In programming some time ago we used to use bits in bytes for flags, nowadays we (mostly) don't care. Sure, it saves some space but space is not the premium it once was. Higher level languages and their ease outweighed the save some space concern. Space is not the premium now because the price has plummeted so low for RAM and HD space due to the lazy programmers who don't use bits and thus expand their programs to fill all available space and then demand more. the price ratio has finally almost caught up with the bloatware attitude that programmers seem to have today. I wish they would return to the Small is Beautiful and KISS principles. Rich text is easier to use than plain text. Would there really be a return on the effort to implement a scheme to switch to plain text just because it's a two line message and the sender didn't use bold or a bulleted list? I don't know. Plain text should be the default IMNSHO. If _you_ want to turn on HTML then _you_ should have to make some effort.
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 01:42:42 +1100, Myself [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonas Jørgensen wrote: Myself said: WTF is wrong with rich text mail? Seriously - I want to know. It's clear there are people religous about it so I'd like to understand why some people think mail and newsgroups must only be plain text. http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml The real arguments in this one apply equally to general web browsing. Thus, where's the campaign for all webpages to be plain text. http://www.delux.com/articles/HTMLmail.html Same here but even less so. http://www.evolt.org/article/Why_Developers_Don_t_Want_HTML_Email/25/781/ And the same here but even less so again. Geez I'm wasting my time trying to get this topic. You people don't even understand what you're advocating. Do you understand what you are advocating? Are you offering to pay for my internet connection? I'm not a developer. I have to pay by the minute for all the time I am connected. I can't charge it against my tax and my Boss won't pay for it. I don't earn big money or even medium money. If you want html that's fine but _don't_ force it down my throat. I want to be able to reject html e-mail and return it to the sender. Sheesh, anyone would think you were a fundamentalist of either the Christian or the Muslim variety.
Re: Things what I wish (want) to see in 1.0:
Travis Crump wrote: Bugs 83750/118156 are very annoying. For some reason I have been unable to get lpr to work on my computer, but since I have two commands print and printbw(sh scripts which among other things end with ' /dev/lp0') which work I have given up trying to get it work. But this means every time I want to print, I have to open up properties and change the print command even though 95% of the time I just want to use printbw... I agree (I filed one of those bugs), but I find the two I quoted even worse since it is impossible, even with extra work, to get a good print out of lots of pages using mozilla. And there seems to be interest in fixing these two bugs.
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
La pooh wrote: Are you an idiot, or just acting like one? Frankly, I find the stand by Mozilla, right OR WRONG sentiment to be the *real* bullshit around here. People care about performance. snip Totaly true. But not true enough to cause Opera's marketshare to take off. Opera is a pretty effective counter-argument to any claims about performance having a large effect on marketshare. It would be *nice* if back/forward performance were much better, but it won't radically alter the competitive landscape.
Re: New mozilla logo and design (commie re:)
La pooh wrote: Why not get a proffesional to design a real logo and graphical style for the mozilla. The design of the site and logo and splash screen looks like shit. Looks like a 12 yearold drew it in psp. And please do not let any open source guy do it, they seem to not be so graphical. HIRE A DESIGN FIRM! Beg Netscape for the money to it. Mozilla would benefit from a more serious approach. 1. Nobody wants to spend the money 2. No art is being changed before 1.0 (legal reasons, art isn't subject to the MPL) 3. I and many others are perfectly content with the look and feel of classic/modern 4. Mozilla isn't technically meant to be released directly to the end consumer (my mom, for example) thus it is left to the vendor to supply the necessary graphical style. 5. The site style looks fine to me. 6. Much of the current art will change after legal issues are worked out. Many people agree with you about the splash screen (what seems to be your key concern), google for mozilla splash screen list or just check out http://www.pali.sk/mozilla/splash_list.html . To install one of these screens, convert it to a bitmap named mozilla.bmp and stick it in the mozilla root directory.
Re: New mozilla logo and design (commie re:)
2. No art is being changed before 1.0 (legal reasons, art isn't subject to the MPL) What exactly is the problem here? Whats wrong with simply taking one of the many pieces of artwork that people keep comming up with and posting and checking it into the tree, this solving this communist problem once and for all?
Re: New mozilla logo and design (commie re:)
Jonathan Wilson wrote: What exactly is the problem here? Whats wrong with simply taking one of the many pieces of artwork that people keep comming up with and posting and checking it into the tree, I don't know the specific details (wasn't here when this came up the first time), but it's something about mozilla's liscencing scheme doesn't allow them to maintain copyright over any images they produce. As a direct result, people could take whatever art mozilla had and stick it on whatever product they wanted (no matter how bad) and release it to an unsuspecting public. For this reason or one like it, netscape refuses to release the image of mozilla (green lizard one) to mozilla.org. Also for this reason, the drivers refuse to check any new art into the tree. Bug 32218 is for a new splash screen,73712 is for icons for each window, 77871 is for a new throbber. The drivers *will not* check any of these in and say that mozilla probably will have to have the current versions of these re-done. this solving this communist problem once and for all? I don't see a communist problem, I see a couple of trolls on a newsgroup (along with all the people they catch, including me apparently) complaining about a problem that doesn't exist. Why does it not exist? Because you can change the graphics to whatever you want, they're not hard coded into the browser. You want a different image on the about: screen? STICK YOUR OWN IN! You want a different splash screen? STICK YOUR OWN IN! You want different icons for each window? STICK YOUR OWN IN! You think the browser throbber sux? STICK YOUR OWN IN! I've done all this before, it isn't difficult. I'm actually working on guides to walk people through the processes. In fact, mozilla is designed for people to take and release as commercial software, so it's extremely easy to re-brand the browser. And doing all this stuff still took me less time than ALL THE TIME JTK AND OTHER TROLLERS HAVE SPENT IN THIS NEWSGROUP WASTING MY TIME AND BANDWIDTH. If I *ever* saw these people do *anything* to help the project, I would think about what they say, but they don't. That pretty much sums up my view, so I'll not be posting regarding this subject again. grayrest
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes I have to remember evidently that US phone Companies and ISP's apparently are the only ones in the world that pay for Service per month, rather than per minute. Here in the UK, there's a mixed bag of choices. Mobile data is always charged per kb though. How is DSL Broadband setup overseas? Fixed rate here in UK. Not that many people have broadband compared to the number of people with internet connections. But still can't you download the mail then read off line. Pure Html (we are not talking about devices that call up a website) once it is downloaded doesn't need the connection to read it. Reading off-line does not affect the amount of data being downloaded, which is directly applicable for mobile data costs. And if your on a line that charges by the minute; looks that wouldn't that crimp web surfing? oh yeah! but I don't browse the web using my mobile - just email and some news. So why would such people want to work on a project who Main (98%) aim is websurfing, and gives not much emphasis on Mail News. In fact we have some im the groups that just as soon not see a Mail News component built in. I was responding generically to the question about the amount of bytes used in an email/news message, rather than the specifics of Moz development. However, even there, I do get bugzilla reports as email when I connect via my mobile (i.e. out of office) and I'm glad that each one doesn't include a large pretty picture of a bug ! -- Rob Allen
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Re: New mozilla logo and design (commie re:)
Now I get it... Basicly, the lawyers are trying to come up with a licence for the art that: A.says something like you can use this art as part of a program based on mozilla but not in a program thats totally unrelated to mozilla but also B.is compatible with the MPL, the GPL and the LGPL. IANAL but I wouldnt think that A is very hard (I see what I guess is similar kinds of language in for example the redistribution licence for rultime libraries of compliers that say you can distribute these runtime dlls for use with a program built with this compiler but not on their own). I am guessing that satisfying point B is hard without changing all 3 licences involved.
Re: Here is what Mozilla needs PERIOD.
psmith wrote: And neither is the History feature which loses its sort order every time it is closed. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91417, targeted at Mozilla 1.0.1. Whining about bugs in newsgroups doesn't get them fixed earlier. -- 'Open Systems' means no fences. And no fences means no use for Gates. - Sun Microsystems
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Re: Netscape 6.2 - password nag on newsgroups (more detail)
Thanks for your reply, Christopher. It came indeed to pass. Unfortunately your suggestion doesn't work. Whether or not I tick the Remember box, I end up with the message: ALERT - A News (NNTB) error occurred: Authorization Error. The funny thing is that I did not have this problem when I first started using Netscape 6.2 in mid December. I thought that the problem might have something to do with my changing my e-mail adress (unlikely) since I operate both from France and from Holland. But even completely re-downloading and re-installing N 6.2 hasn't made a blind bit of difference. Any other ideas? regards, Vic Joseph Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Vic Joseph wrote: The actual messages concerned are 'Please enter a username for news server access' and 'Please enter a password for news server access' Sometimes cancelling the messages seems to be sufficient, but sometimes they keep repeating (depending on the server/newsgroup). Vic Joseph wrote: Working as sole user under Windows XP home edition. No doubt I have misunderstood something, but every time I try to access a new sgroup Netscape asks me to enter a password for the newsgroup and a password. Even though I tick the box asking Password Manager to remember the values I enter, I am still nagged every time. And no matter I enter, I always end up with an 'Authentication Error'. On some newsgroups I now find I cannot read the text of any messages. I have tried uninstalling Netscape 6.2 and reinstalling it but it does not seem to make any difference. Can someone on this newsgroup tell me what I am doing wrong please? Vic Joseph try UNselecting remember password. Completely shut down N6. Restart, and re-select remember password. This usually fixes it.
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Re: Things what I wish (want) to see in 1.0:
Roope Lehmuslehto wrote: (open tabs by middle mouse button should be default) NO! Did you notice that some users (most?) are using windows instead of tabs? -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin
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What a microsoft asskisser JTK is!
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Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
{-- Rot13 - Hateme [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Sure, Mozilla can load a page the *first* time pretty fast, but hit the
back or forward buttons to re-display a page, and Mozilla takes
forever! IE (and especially Opera) simply kill Mozilla when it comes to
It seems that Mozilla is very bad on reflow. I don't know if
it is the problem of the renderer. Gecko is supposed to be fast.
The problem is mostly in very large pages, especially flat ones
(flat from an HTML/DOM perspective). There are numerous bugs about
different aspects of this, including some meta-bugs.
There are known O(n^2) (and a few worse) spots in layout. See the
bugs. A number of them have been nailed. Feel free to look for more.
See bugs 78911, 85755, 86952 (the main layout O(n^2) meta-bug), 94587,
97229, 104250, 54542, 114584 (inc. reflow tracking bug), 12155.
Back/forward speed IS an issue, just not one with an easy solution.
If you were willing to drop re-running of scripts on Forward/Back you could
cache the document and it would become as fast as switching tabs (if it's
in the cache). Note that this WILL break the expected behavior of some
pages, though there is no spec that I know of for whether forward/back run
scripts.
--
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Re: Here is what Mozilla needs PERIOD.
Blake Ross wrote: Maybe you totally expect tabs. The general IE-using population doesn't. For once Blake's right[1]: tabs are an almost-completely unused feature. Which is why somebody thought they'd spend all kinds of effort putting them in instead of addressing Mozilla's crippling problems. [1] Well, twice: that so-long-in-coming context menu is still pretty sweet. I assure you that people who don't use Mozilla-based distributions aren't making such a decision on the basis that DHTML pages scroll slowly. Right. They're making that decision based on one or more of the following: 1. Complete lack of knowledge that Mozilla even exists. 2. Want to see web pages, not blank pages because the webmaster forgot to dot the HTML equivalent of an i. 3. Still waiting for Mozilla to be a step *up* from NC4.7x, not a huge step *down*. 4. Don't think that a lousy web browser should require more computing resources than all other programs combined. Have no fear, such distributions know the most important user complaints (they have direct interaction with users regularly) Oh man, that must be a rough gig. Oh wait, I suppose with ~0.75% market share those phones probably aren't exactly ringing off the hook, are they? and prioritize accordingly. You're apparently speaking based on personal experience, i.e. what annoys /you/. Indeed, and who the hell does he think he is anyway! Oh, right, a user, i.e. the Enemy.
Re: Netscape Sues Microsoft
La pooh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 24 Jan 2002: Best of all, if netscape gets a lot of money, they could kill the open source shit and make a new fast browser, perhaps by buying opera. MS could pay Netscape $300 billion and I don't think they would dump this open source shit you speak of, considering it's making the best damned browser I've ever used even better -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
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Re: What a microsoft asskisser JTK is!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 24 Jan 2002: Ha If you are going to feed the trolls, at least do it in a constructive way. Don't call JTK a Microsoft asskisser, rather shoot down each and every word he writes with pure facts. At least then he looks foolish and you look smart, instead of him looking foolish and you looking like an idiot -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: What a microsoft asskisser JTK is!
DeMoN LaG wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 24 Jan 2002: Ha If you are going to feed the trolls, at least do it in a constructive way. Don't call JTK a Microsoft asskisser, rather shoot down each and every word he writes with pure facts. BAHAHHAHAHHHAHA! YEAH, LIKE LAGGY DOES!!! BAHHAHAHHAAHAAA At least then he looks foolish and you look smart, instead of him looking foolish and you looking like an idiot So you've changed your longstanding policy of merely calling me a bunch of juvenile names then?
Re: How to access bookmarks from mail window in Netscape 6.2
Alex wrote: Apologies. I started using Outlook Express and it kept giving me an error message when I posted it, so I didn't think it had posted. Apparently, it had. Therefore, no, I do not think it is a gem of interest. Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Alex wrote: In 4.7, in the mail window, I went to menu and clicked on Communicator, then Bookmarks. Is there an equivalent in 6.2? And you thought this was such a gem of interest you posted it four times? :) -- Morten Nilsen, aka Dr. P and why praytell are you messing up Mozilla or Netscape with LOOK Out Distress?
bug or feature? (Moz. on Linux/X)
Hi, I just noticed something, both 0.9.7 and the latest nightly. Clicking the middle mouse button *not* on a hyperlink, but simply somewhere in a page, causes na attempt to open an url with the current X clipboard selection. Say, the last X selection you did was in an xterm (kterm in my case), you selected the network.pdf string. Afterwards, in Mozilla, you try to middle-button-click a hyperlink, in order to open it in a new window, but you miss the the hyperlink and middle-button-click somewhere next to it. Then you get a message www.network.pdf could not be found. Please check the name and try again :)) That's how I discovered it. Seems like a feature, but can be confusing for someone that is not aware of it. If the clipboard content is big -- e.g. the above paragraph -- mozilla would still try to open an url with this name, and then the error message is very confusing. It basically quotes the whole text, followed by the Please check the name and try again thing, which the user will most likely miss. Worse, if the selection is accidentally a valid url, or can be expanded to one with .com at the end, one goes to a some seemingly random page and has no clue how he/she got there. Just some thoughts. Regards, Minko Markov
Re: What a microsoft asskisser JTK is!
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 24 Jan 2002: So you've changed your longstanding policy of merely calling me a bunch of juvenile names then? Never had a policy of calling you names. Always had a policy of asking you to put up or shut up with your insults and slams of Mozilla. -- ICQ: N/A (temporarily) AIM: FlyersR1 9 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ = m
Re: What a microsoft asskisser JTK is!
Um, you do realize your post was just as much of a troll, right? Anyway, do what I did to counter the spam problem in the newsgroups: just subscribe to the e-mail gateways (for this group, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) and filter the posts into separate folders, then add additional filters for whatever you want. It's just like reading the newsgroups, but without the porn posts, the JTKs, etc. It's what I've done, and I never read (literally aren't even able to read) any of that stuff again ;-) Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ha
Re: Is Mozilla red Communist?
Roland Felnhofer wrote: Proposal: What about a white seagull on white ground!!! That would ensure nobody feels insulted. :-) Except those of non-white ethnicity who feel that the use of white is racist. ;) No matter how hard you try, there will ALWAYS be SOMEONE who is offended by SOMETHING. Which is why I make no effort to be politically correct. I prefer to offend everyone equally. :) We should have a big red dinosaur waving a hammer and sickle flag, dressed in a Nazi SS uniform, stepping on naked women, and eating babies. :) -- jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism. ] email [ jesusx @ who.net ] web [ http://www.mozillanews.org ] tag [ The Universe: It's everywhere you want to be. ] warning [ I hate cats. You never know if they're dead. - E. Schrodinger ]
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
Mozilla will never seriously take off with respect to market share. That sounds like a bullshit argument. Logically, it's utter crap. Come up with something better. Are you an idiot, or just acting like one? No, he's not. I lose count of the number of posts in newsgroups/bugs in bugzilla/whatever that regurgitate the line unless you fix [insert personal hobbyhorse here] *RIGHT NOW* mozilla will never gain any market share Putting that kind of thing in your post/bug/whatever is not going to advance your case. It's old. It's tired. In all but a very few cases, it lacks any logical basis whatsoever. If you want to say until you fix this, I won't use mozilla, fair enough. That's your choice to make, and you're free to tell the world you're making it. Some people might agree with you. But sweeping generalisations, on the basis of no research whatsoever, phrased as blackmail, to add weight to a personal obsession, will not make people pay any more attention to you. /rant -- gav
Re: Things what I wish (want) to see in 1.0:
On 2002.01.24 12:19 Christian Biesinger wrote: Roope Lehmuslehto wrote: (open tabs by middle mouse button should be default) NO! Did you notice that some users (most?) are using windows instead of tabs? I have changed almost entirely to tabs. The same for most of the people I work with. Much faster.
Re: Is Mozilla red Communist?
jesus X wrote: Roland Felnhofer wrote: Proposal: What about a white seagull on white ground!!! That would ensure nobody feels insulted. :-) Except those of non-white ethnicity who feel that the use of white is racist. ;) That you would bitch about, wouldn't you rabbi? No matter how hard you try, there will ALWAYS be SOMEONE who is offended by SOMETHING. And there will always be sophomoric attempts to offend somebody by the unlearned. Which is why I make no effort to be politically correct. BAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAAA!!! Naha. I prefer to offend everyone equally. :) And that's why you get all bent out of joint when I call you rabbi, Jesus? Oh, wait, that's correct, hence not politically correct, never mind. We should have a big red dinosaur waving a hammer and sickle flag, dressed in a Nazi SS uniform, stepping on naked women, and eating babies. :) AGREED! Because it's all just symbols! Nothing means anything, right Jesus? They're not babies, it just happens to *look* like babies! Yeah, they're JELLY BABIES, that's the ticket! Oh, but that's not going to happen, is it? While glorifying communism in a sophomorically heavy-handed covert attempt to stick it to the Man is OK by you and the Maozilla Politburo, doing it unabashedly isn't. Because one is politically correct, the other is putting your money where your swastika is, ain't it rabbi?
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
gavin long wrote: Mozilla will never seriously take off with respect to market share. That sounds like a bullshit argument. Logically, it's utter crap. Come up with something better. Are you an idiot, or just acting like one? No, he's not. I lose count of the number of posts in newsgroups/bugs in bugzilla/whatever that regurgitate the line unless you fix [insert personal hobbyhorse here] *RIGHT NOW* mozilla will never gain any market share snort! Hehe, what a bunch of losers! Don't they know that Mozilla *already* has almost 0.75% market share?! And growing![1] [1]Growth not guaranteed. Not insured by FDIC or FSLIC. Putting that kind of thing in your post/bug/whatever is not going to advance your case. It's old. It's tired. In all but a very few cases, it lacks any logical basis whatsoever. Logical basis: 0.75%. And stop ranting on .performance Mr. Long. That's where all the cool people hang out, and they get pissed when people do that.
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
snort! Hehe, what a bunch of losers! Don't they know that Mozilla *already* has almost 0.75% market share?! And growing![1] [1]Growth not guaranteed. Not insured by FDIC or FSLIC. [snip] Logical basis: 0.75%. [snip] I request again: Please keep current on your statistics if you're going to use them in your arguments. http://www.upsdell.com/browsernews/stat.htm That site was the source of the 0.75% number, a month or two ago. It has since shown growth, and your arguments should reflect current statistics. Thank you. --J
Re: Here is what Mozilla needs PERIOD.
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: psmith wrote: And neither is the History feature which loses its sort order every time it is closed. http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91417, targeted at Mozilla 1.0.1. Whining about bugs in newsgroups doesn't get them fixed earlier. -- 'Open Systems' means no fences. And no fences means no use for Gates. - Sun Microsystems True. But you'd think that the person that created the code if he/she were reading here would look into it if they go more than two complaints. (Just wondering.) -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
Sören Kuklau wrote: -snip- Apparently, you're missing that Mozilla is not an end-user browser. So logically, market share of Mozilla itself is nice, but doesn't matter. What does matter is market share of mozilla-based products like K-Meleon, Galeon and Netscape. Regards, Sören Kuklau -- This post written in MozillaNews by Sören Kuklau (Chucker). E-mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Yes but what does it tell when Netscape and the others are based on older builds, which have more bugs, and less features turned on. Except for Spell Checker for Mail and news AIM (Instant messenger) Netscape 6 is a far more deficent product. ^ -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
Christian Biesinger wrote: Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: How is DSL Broadband setup overseas? Here (Austria/Europe), you have (for DSL) basically two options: You can either pay a lower monthly fee and are limited to 1 GB of data transfer, or you pay more and get an unlimited transfer. Cable is cheaper and basically unlimited (fair use), but not available everywhere. (Speed is, in both cases, 512 kbit/s download and 64 kbit/s upload) -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin My DSL because its at very end of the limit for DSL service availability is 384K download or upload. (The 17,000 ft Plus limit for the Line) -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
Jonas Jørgensen wrote: Christian Biesinger wrote: How is DSL Broadband setup overseas? Here (Austria/Europe), you have (for DSL) basically two options: You can either pay a lower monthly fee and are limited to 1 GB of data transfer, or you pay more and get an unlimited transfer. In Denmark, you normally pay a montly fee and get unlimited transfer. Speed is in the range from 128 to 2048 kbbs. It's also possible to pay per megabyte instead. I have a 512 down/128 up ADSL connection which costs me (which costs my employer, actually) 450 DKK per month. That's somewhere around 50 USD, I think. -- /Jonas 'Open Systems' means no fences. And no fences means no use for Gates. - Sun Microsystems I pay $74.95 american. But that includes the service plus the DSL Phone line belongs to my ISP. He pays the phonebill. -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
Rob Allen wrote: --snip I was responding generically to the question about the amount of bytes used in an email/news message, rather than the specifics of Moz development. However, even there, I do get bugzilla reports as email when I connect via my mobile (i.e. out of office) and I'm glad that each one doesn't include a large pretty picture of a bug ! -- Rob Allen I find that most of the html email I get does not include images, or sound. just formatted text. Don't get me wrong I get my share of Spam which I promptly report to spamcop.net. But a lot of Spam I receive is not html based, it text based. -- --- Phillip M. Jones, CET |MEMBER:VPEA (LIFE) ETA-I, NESDA,ISCET, Sterling 616 Liberty Street |Who's Who. PHONE:276-632-5045, FAX:275-632-0868 Martinsville Va 24112-1809 |[EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ11269732, AIM pjonescet --- If it's fixed, don't break it! mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/america/default.htm http://www.kimbanet.com/~pjones/message/default.htm http://home.kimbanet.com/~pjones/birthday/index.htm
Re: favicons revisited
Jiri Znamenacek wrote: BTW - I simply don't understand webmasters. IE with its favicon is out of the door for several years and I really see nothing complicated in touch favicon.ico ^_^ Maybe I'm missing something. touch favicon.ico is definately preferrable to a meta field, but regardless, webmasters shouldn't be forced to respond to Mozilla's--or any other browser's--specific existence. If the website is standards-compliant, we shouldn't be harassing it.
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Re: Here is what Mozilla needs PERIOD.
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Jonas Jørgensen wrote psmith wrote And neither is the History feature which loses its sor order every time it is closed http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91417, targeted at Mozilla 1.0.1. Whining about bugs in newsgroups doesn't get them fixed earlier. True. But you'd think that the person that created the code if he/she were reading here would look into it if they go more than two complaints. (Just wondering.) Erm, if it's an important enough feature, why don't *you* do the work of coding it? This isn't Proprietary Software, it's Software Libre. You're more than welcome to fix or enhance someting and send a patch to the developers or maintain the patch yourself.
Standalone Mail, Chatzilla apps
Someone asked me if they could get only Netscape Mail, no browser, and it dawned on me that some folks might actually want a browser-less free e-mail program. Or, take Chatzilla. Someone else was complaining earlier that they couldn't keep Chatzilla open and reboot Mozilla, and it dawns on me that it can actually be beneficial to install the apps separately for this very reason: so you can restart Mozilla without losing Chatzilla, etc. Has any thought been given to creating standalone versions of the various Mozilla components? I imagine it could be done fairly quickly, mostly by just taking redundant versions of Mozilla and deleting different chunks of each one until you have one that does only Mail, one that does only Chat, etc. Any thoughts? I was thinking of filing a bug on this, but thought I'd start here. James
Re: bug or feature? (Moz. on Linux/X)
Travis Crump [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is a 'feature'. If you are like me and hate this 'feature', it can be disabled with user_pref(middlemouse.contentLoadURL, false); in user.js/prefs.js. Thanks! -- MM
Some questions about the future Moz/NN6
Just a few questions I had, prob'ly deserves a flame because I don't spend enough time in the Newsgroups, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Not to toot the Devil's horn too much, but will the future NS/Mozilla work with the mail notification on the Windows XP user login screen (where it says a user has x number of messages on y account). I read somewhere that Windows lets people add to this functionality, so maybe Mozilla/NS could? In mail, will it inform me that I have message in the taskbar? Will it be an email icon or a little green arrow on the Netscape quicklaunch icon? How will it work exactly? Stay there until all my messages are read, go away once I open Netscape Mail, etc.? Will it function correctly when all my browser/mail windows are closed? That is, when everything is closed still check all my accounts every few minutes, download the message, and display a mail icon (I have a cable connection so I don't mind it checking it every few minutes 24 hours a day). Will newsgroups allow to you watch a thread, being able to highlight it? I noticed that Netscape seems to automatically check the newsgroups and download headers when the mail program is launched, will it highlight the newsgroup if there are new messages to the watched thread (again, not to toot the Devil's horn with OE). I probably shouldn't say too many of my other quirks about the mail program because I've occasionally looked at the updates on the mozilla.org site and there's always TONS of bugs fixed in the mail dept. (no pun intended)... I'll just hope that everything else gets cleaned up in the end. Will there (finally) be some themes coming out more often after 1.0? Maybe it's me, but the modern color scheme looks kinda drab compared to the high contrasting colors of XP. I know it's extremely low-priority Netscape side stuff, but regarding Netscape Messenger, will some halfway decent features be included, like changing the font size/color, making the window actually display all the icons without resizing it, allowing the icons to be displayed, allowing file transfer, and, well, overall have a cleaner interface? Also some wishes is that I can Appear Offline or go Invisible... or atleast see who's online when my Away message is up! That's about the only readon I use MSN Messenger at this point. But then again, I have to use good ol' AIM half the time anyway because MSN Messenger file transfer doesn't work over a Linksys (NAT) firewall. Yeesh! Also, will the quicklaunch button ever feature any Mesenger links? Maybe a quick menu to show who's online when you roll over it, then being able to send them a message when you click on their name, or perhaps a menu to choose your status (i.e. Appear Offline, Invisible, Away, whatever). Is there something that will ever be done to not having Java included in the recommended download? And after I do go through that process, it taking FOREVER to load for one page and then staying there for the rest of eternity eating up my RAM unless I shut the browser down completely? Will it be able to integrate all of the streaming players, Real, Windows Media, or whatever. It already does quicktime rather well, doesn't it? Will there be a way to lock the width of the tabs pane? One of the things that annoys me is that it is awkward to use (so usually I don't. If I click on it and hit the wrong angle, I move the layout width or miss the incredibly small hit area and mess up my layout and have to fix it. Um... I think that's about all of the questions I have. I know most of the work now is on fixing what's broken and not adding new features. I've just been sticking with the Netscape 6 project since Preview Release 1 and I'm getting a little anxious to get this awesome browser I was promised. Heck, I wouldn't mind paying for it and reimbursing the programmers if the features were there. I'm not anti-Netscape or anti-Microsoft, I just want a better browsing experience than both offer at present. I'll be honest though, I'm quite anxious to see the release of Netscape 6.3, or, even more so, 6.5. Good day! Thanks guys and gals! Best regards, Kenneth P.S. Oh yeah while I'm at it, I've heard mention of a big favicon.ico issue I know favicons are the little graphics that appear next to the address bar, but what is the issue exactly?
Re: Things what I wish (want) to see in 1.0:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:47:17 -0500, Nobody Special [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roope Lehmuslehto wrote: Mozilla could have chance against IEOutlook if following are implemented near future. -Mouse Gestures included by default. -Banner Blind, off by default, but could be turned on/off from preferences. -Setup wizard after install, for average users. Wizard could ask if user wants to kill banners pop-ups and how wishes to use MG, Tabs (open tabs by middle mouse button should be default) etc. -Faster MailNews!!!111 -CombineDecode -Rot13 -Show message size in KB (in usenet) -Multi-Colored quotes on by default. -How much message loaded progress bar -Show JPEGGIF on the fly when loading from usenet (probably most useful thing in NS 4.x) -More options to ChatZilla -Download manager Yeah, that would be nice. A feature-laden Mozilla that makes a Athlon XP 1900+ with a cable connection feel like a P200 on dial-up. C'mon people...get with the program. Fix the darn back and forward performance! Why don't you just use IE/OE since you're so in love with it and stop being so idiotic.
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:30:11 -0500, Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jonas Jørgensen wrote: --snip-- With HTML, *you* get to choose which font *I* have to read your messages in. What if I happen to hate that font? -- /Jonas 'Open Systems' means no fences. And no fences means no use for Gates. - Sun Microsystems Doesn't the selection use my fonts, overiding page specific fonts take care of that.? ^^^ No. It just means I don't read your e-mail.
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:13:17 -0600, JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Do you work for Micro$oft by any chance?
Re: Is there a way to read mail as text and not HTML?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 00:52:36 -0500, Scott I. Remick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a world where more and more people want to receive their email on PDAs, pagers, and cell phones, there is less and less place for the bloat of HTML email. If you're message can't be conveyed in simple plain-text that can be displayed on whatever device I use to check my email, then make a webpage, post it somewhere, and email me the URL. I'll know what to expect, then, and can choose to launch my browser and visit at MY convenience. Hear, hear.
Re: Things what I wish (want) to see in 1.0:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:25:02 -0600, JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that the Mozilla message? If so, can we just cut the crap and put that on the website as the Mozilla motto? It's not the Mozilla message. It's just aimed squarely at you.
Re: Performance or Functionality?
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:03:56 -0600, Jared Breland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't know about ya'll, but it's still rediculously slow on my computer (PIII-500, 384MB RAM) and I'm using 0.9.7. EVERYTHING is slow about it, which is why I continue to use Netscape 4.79. I'm all for Mozilla, but until I can run it on my computer (and my computer should certianly have enough muscle to browse the internet) without very a noticable slowdown, I'm simply not going to waste my time (and I mean that literally) running it. Just as an aside, I do run it under Linux on multiple boxes, but it's still rediculously slow and bloated-feeling. The only reason I do is because it's the best available for Linux, in my opinion (NS 4.x really sucks in Linux). Last Sunday I used a 1GHz machine running XP with IE and OE and 128MB RAM. My machine is a Celeron 333 with 384 MB RAM, Win 98 with IE removed and Mozilla 0.9.7+ installed. I could not discern any appreciably difference in the rendering speed or the retrieval speed on either machine. I still consider IE to be clumsy but speedwise it was no quicker than my machine with Mozilla. My TSR's do include an always running seti@home module which doesn't seem to interfere with the perceived speed at all. You people who consider something slow should perhaps consider that it may be something else that is slowing things down. Perhaps your Hard Disk Access or even your Gee Whiz Video card that has so much RAM that it's a second computer. Your BIOS settings can affect the discerned speed as can the number of TSR's that you have inadvertently left running. Your virus checker takes a lot of time slices for a start. Turn that off and then check your perceived forward/backward speed. I'll bet it improves dramatically. The faster the processor the faster we expect things to happen completely forgetting that the processor now spends so much time waiting that it could be doing many other useful things. In fact most of the fancy graphics (read junk) that come off the net are rendered quite happily on a '486 in about the same amount of time as a 2 GHz Pentium IV.
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Re: Some questions about the future Moz/NN6
Kenneth Pardue wrote: Not to toot the Devil's horn too much, but will the future NS/Mozilla work with the mail notification on the Windows XP user login screen (where it says a user has x number of messages on y account). I read somewhere that Windows lets people add to this functionality, so maybe Mozilla/NS could? It is my understanding that anything that is specific to one OS(it wouldn't even apply to all Windows) is low priority. Noone is going to cry foul if someone implements it and wants it checked in, but the 'core' developers aren't going to 'waste' time on it. In mail, will it inform me that I have message in the taskbar? Will it be an email icon or a little green arrow on the Netscape quicklaunch icon? How will it work exactly? Stay there until all my messages are read, go away once I open Netscape Mail, etc.? Will it function correctly when all my browser/mail windows are closed? That is, when everything is closed still check all my accounts every few minutes, download the message, and display a mail icon (I have a cable connection so I don't mind it checking it every few minutes 24 hours a day). more likely to happen, but I haven't heard anything lately, though that doesn't really mean much :) Will newsgroups allow to you watch a thread, being able to highlight it? I noticed that Netscape seems to automatically check the newsgroups and download headers when the mail program is launched, will it highlight the newsgroup if there are new messages to the watched thread (again, not to toot the Devil's horn with OE). You can highlight threads using the 'label' feature, there is a 'watch thread' feature under the Message menu, but I am not real familiar with how it works, play around with it. Will there (finally) be some themes coming out more often after 1.0? Maybe it's me, but the modern color scheme looks kinda drab compared to the high contrasting colors of XP. There is supposed to be support for XP themes when using classic in recent builds, but I don't know how it works. [snip netscape-only issues and sidebar(?) issue] P.S. Oh yeah while I'm at it, I've heard mention of a big favicon.ico issue I know favicons are the little graphics that appear next to the address bar, but what is the issue exactly? The issue was that mozilla would automatically request webroot/favicon.ico if an icon wasn't linked to, it has since been disabled and Mozilla now only supports link rel=icon href=... type=image/...
Re: Netscape 6.2 - password nag on newsgroups (more detail)
Vic Joseph wrote: Thanks for your reply, Christopher. It came indeed to pass. Unfortunately your suggestion doesn't work. Whether or not I tick the Remember box, I end up with the message: ALERT - A News (NNTB) error occurred: Authorization Error. The funny thing is that I did not have this problem when I first started using Netscape 6.2 in mid December. I thought that the problem might have something to do with my changing my e-mail adress (unlikely) since I operate both from France and from Holland. But even completely re-downloading and re-installing N 6.2 hasn't made a blind bit of difference. Any other ideas? regards, Vic Joseph Christopher Jahn wrote: And it came to pass that Vic Joseph wrote: The actual messages concerned are 'Please enter a username for news server access' and 'Please enter a password for news server access' Sometimes cancelling the messages seems to be sufficient, but sometimes they keep repeating (depending on the server/newsgroup). Vic Joseph wrote: Working as sole user under Windows XP home edition. No doubt I have misunderstood something, but every time I try to access a new sgroup Netscape asks me to enter a password for the newsgroup and a password. Even though I tick the box asking Password Manager to remember the values I enter, I am still nagged every time. And no matter I enter, I always end up with an 'Authentication Error'. On some newsgroups I now find I cannot read the text of any messages. I have tried uninstalling Netscape 6.2 and reinstalling it but it does not seem to make any difference. Can someone on this newsgroup tell me what I am doing wrong please? Vic Joseph try UNselecting remember password. Completely shut down N6. Restart, and re-select remember password. This usually fixes it. If you are trying to access the Corel newsgroups, Corel is the one that has the problem. They have a message posted on their site about their newsgroups.
Re: #1 Mozilla Problem
this is not a temporary solution. it is a fact. i rarely use back and forward. And as might you noticed, i am not telling it is not a problem, i claim this cant be considered as #1 problem of mozilla. So if my car cannot accereate 0-100 in 10 seconds, i should get bicycle pedals and attach them to the wheels to achive it ? Stop being like politicians, i don´t want to solve anything by not using it and instead using something else. that´s sick. I use back and forward. I also use tabs, which was invented just because the poor new window performance i belive. Deal with the core instead of just making up temoprary solutions.
Re: Standalone Mail, Chatzilla apps
James Russell wrote: I imagine it could be done fairly quickly, mostly by just taking redundant versions of Mozilla and deleting different chunks of each one until you have one that does only Mail, one that does only Chat, etc. Sorry, I shouldn't say that this could be done quickly. I know it's probably not easy to strip the client down, renaming mozilla.exe throughout the whole app, etc. I also imagine that fragmented app builds would add overhead (although it might help if they were only done for milestones). I just think that ideally, Mail should be able to be installed alone, as well as Chatzilla. Even Composer could be offered alone (as well as NIM, obviously) at some point, if not immediately.
Re: Is Mozilla red Communist?
JTK wrote: That you would bitch about, wouldn't you rabbi? No, I'm white. A honkey. A cracker. A Casper. A person of western European descent. No matter how hard you try, there will ALWAYS be SOMEONE who is offended by SOMETHING. And there will always be sophomoric attempts to offend somebody by the unlearned. And that would be you. I prefer to offend everyone equally. :) And that's why you get all bent out of joint when I call you rabbi, Jesus? Oh, wait, that's correct, hence not politically correct, never mind. Now you're learning. We should have a big red dinosaur waving a hammer and sickle flag, dressed in a Nazi SS uniform, stepping on naked women, and eating babies. :) AGREED! Because it's all just symbols! Nothing means anything, right Jesus? They're not babies, it just happens to *look* like babies! Yeah, they're JELLY BABIES, that's the ticket! While it was only a sarcastic suggestion, the symbolism most see in Mozilla comes from within themselves, rather than anything overt in the graphics. It has a constructivist feel, but the communist or socialist that some derive from it is inferred. I have yet to hear of people boycotting ActiveState's products due to their use of the constructivist style. Oh, but that's not going to happen, is it? While glorifying communism in a sophomorically heavy-handed covert attempt to stick it to the Man is OK by you and the Maozilla Politburo, doing it unabashedly isn't. Because one is politically correct, the other is putting your money where your swastika is, ain't it rabbi? If you feel that the graphic themes presented at mozilla.org are communist and glorifying communism, you probably also would feel that the Internet promotes anarchy, beaches promote pornography and promiscuity, and TV rots your brain... -- jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism. ] email [ jesusx @ who.net ] web [ http://www.mozillanews.org ] tag [ The Universe: It's everywhere you want to be. ] warning [ I hate cats. You never know if they're dead. - E. Schrodinger ]
