Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Isaac Richards wrote: > That's enough of that. Anyone continuing to act like a 2 year old gets > removed from the list. > > Isaac My thoughts precisely. Some people just don't know when to stop. Johan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
On Sat, 2006-01-14 at 15:54 -0500, Chris Pinkham wrote: > > I see your point and after Isaac's explanation some time ago I know that > > it is close to what I want, but I still want to know how much of the Digicam > > stuff I can download to the disk before I start doing it. Preferably > > without > > expiring my recorded auto-expirable shows. > > Then maybe you should spend your time writing a patch that's been on my TODO > list for a while. I want to add something to the disk space section of the > mythfrontend status page. Right now it shows how much free space you have > available and estimates how much recording time you have left. I want to > add code to display how much space could be freed by autoexpiring LiveTV and > normal recordings, so you can see how much true disk space you have and an > estimate of the (estimated) true recording time you have left based on that. I've often thought that it would be awesome if it would colour code the bar based on recording groups... Ian. -- Ian Campbell You will triumph over your enemy. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Kevin Kuphal wrote: > For all the complaints prior to this change about > why Myth can't save an in progress recording, when the solution is > implemented, it simply garners more complaints which I can only imagine > frustrates those who spent their time working on this at the request of > users who asked for it. Especially since the one who spent the most time on the change, Isaac, doesn't use LiveTV much at all. ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/148764#148764 ) Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On Sunday 15 January 2006 00:23, Mudit Wahal wrote: > On 1/14/06, Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 1/14/06, Mudit Wahal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Kevin, > > > > > > I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their > > > koolaid on others. > > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384 > > > > > > The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent > > > > dude, i read that thread and at most what i got from it was that some > > dumbass couldn't get myth to work with his setup so he loves the > > iolink because no muss. no fuss. that is fine with me. all i know is > > you gotta be retarded to not be able to get myth to work. either that > > or you made a mistake when buying hardware. or you didn't research > > enough. > > [Sorry guys, I've to change my tone so the koolaid gang can > understand. Seems like that's the only language they understand] > > dude, I think you have no idea how it works (myth backend and frontend > and uPnP streaming etc). Just be happy with your crappy 480i tv out > from your god given pvr 350 and shut up. You were dumb enough not to > figure how to get a decent tv without hand holding. > Just because you are happy with a noisy jet engine in your living room > with a crappy svideo out, doesnt mean entire word has to suffer the > same misery along with you. Just because you made some dumb decision > doesnt mean others dont have enough intelligence to figure out a > better and easier way to do thing. That's enough of that. Anyone continuing to act like a 2 year old gets removed from the list. Isaac ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On 1/14/06, Jake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/14/06, Mudit Wahal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Kevin, > > > > I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their > > koolaid on others. > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384 > > > > The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent > > dude, i read that thread and at most what i got from it was that some > dumbass couldn't get myth to work with his setup so he loves the > iolink because no muss. no fuss. that is fine with me. all i know is > you gotta be retarded to not be able to get myth to work. either that > or you made a mistake when buying hardware. or you didn't research > enough. [Sorry guys, I've to change my tone so the koolaid gang can understand. Seems like that's the only language they understand] dude, I think you have no idea how it works (myth backend and frontend and uPnP streaming etc). Just be happy with your crappy 480i tv out from your god given pvr 350 and shut up. You were dumb enough not to figure how to get a decent tv without hand holding. Just because you are happy with a noisy jet engine in your living room with a crappy svideo out, doesnt mean entire word has to suffer the same misery along with you. Just because you made some dumb decision doesnt mean others dont have enough intelligence to figure out a better and easier way to do thing. [Again apologizes to non-koolaid gang] ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On 1/14/06, Mudit Wahal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin, > > I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their > koolaid on others. > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384 > > The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent dude, i read that thread and at most what i got from it was that some dumbass couldn't get myth to work with his setup so he loves the iolink because no muss. no fuss. that is fine with me. all i know is you gotta be retarded to not be able to get myth to work. either that or you made a mistake when buying hardware. or you didn't research enough. guess what, i followed the myth mailing lists for over a year and a soon as myth supported the hauppauge pvr cards i jumped on board. wanna know how long it took me to get myth up and running perfectly? answer: about and hour. from no debian to full myth. now, i have definitely used linux before but still. i think the real problem with the myth mailing lists is that people like me who do research and know what they're doing get inundated with rediculous posts from users that don't. fine, mythtv may be quite appealing to joe blow but most of us on the list who can answer questions have put in some time and is it not reasonable that we expect others to do the same. as for the livetv situation it is seriously rediculous. before the livetv change everyone was clamoring for a way to hit record and get whatever program they were watching in livetv added to the program table (a reasonable request i must admit). this was prohibitevly complex with the ringbuffer so isaac redid livetv. now morons are whining about something else, you can't win. and of course no one even peeped when isaac told everyone he was gonna change livetv. hell, i knew it was gonna happen months before it did, it's not like isaac decided one day, hell, i'm gonna piss everyone off and totally redo livetv! no, it was a long time coming. i want to thank isaac for the change. i love the new livetv and i love autoexpire. mythmhandles everything perfectly and without a hiccup. we may be on the outer edge of mythtv (we autoexpire about 150 hours of tv a week) but myth works perfectly for us. keep up the good work and if you don't like myth, try switch to MCE ;) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Mudit Wahal wrote: > I can see that Tom has taken over Donovan's job. > No Im just tired of your degrading comments. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
I can see that Tom has taken over Donovan's job. On 1/14/06, Tom E. Craddock Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mudit Wahal wrote: > > Kevin, > > > > I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their > > koolaid on others. > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384 > > > > The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent > > from the mailing list. Some are nicer comments such as "Then leave!!", > > others are not nicer such as demonstrated by the above link. > > > > Any sort of discussion which questions the way mythtv behaves is high > > jacked by the koolaid gang and the original poster and others are > > flamed. I know several very good knowledgable people who used to > > contribute on the list, but now have left it totally, just because of > > this kind of attitude. Its a real loss for the overall community. > > > > > > Mudit > > > > > > Nice, compare your fellow mythtv-users to people who were systematically > brainwashed and convinced to commit a mortal sin. Thats classy there. > > > Anyways, after reviewing the thread you linked, theres was one person > who complained about the BlowJob you were giving some product that the > OP of that thread didnt even ask about. Get over it. It was and still > is annoying to see your mouth firmly attached to that devices nether > parts, while at the same time degrading others on the list with your sly > references to people who were at the best just majorly impressionable > and at worst, completely mind fucked. > > > Tom > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Mudit Wahal wrote: > Kevin, > > I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their > koolaid on others. > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384 > > The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent > from the mailing list. Some are nicer comments such as "Then leave!!", > others are not nicer such as demonstrated by the above link. > > Any sort of discussion which questions the way mythtv behaves is high > jacked by the koolaid gang and the original poster and others are > flamed. I know several very good knowledgable people who used to > contribute on the list, but now have left it totally, just because of > this kind of attitude. Its a real loss for the overall community. > > > Mudit > Nice, compare your fellow mythtv-users to people who were systematically brainwashed and convinced to commit a mortal sin. Thats classy there. Anyways, after reviewing the thread you linked, theres was one person who complained about the BlowJob you were giving some product that the OP of that thread didnt even ask about. Get over it. It was and still is annoying to see your mouth firmly attached to that devices nether parts, while at the same time degrading others on the list with your sly references to people who were at the best just majorly impressionable and at worst, completely mind fucked. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Kevin, I'll give you one example of the koolaid gang trying to force their koolaid on others. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/138384 The attitude is my highway or the high way. It has been quite apparent from the mailing list. Some are nicer comments such as "Then leave!!", others are not nicer such as demonstrated by the above link. Any sort of discussion which questions the way mythtv behaves is high jacked by the koolaid gang and the original poster and others are flamed. I know several very good knowledgable people who used to contribute on the list, but now have left it totally, just because of this kind of attitude. Its a real loss for the overall community. Mudit On 1/14/06, Kevin Kuphal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mudit Wahal wrote: > > The koolaid is too srong here and if you are not drinking the same > > koolaid, you are ostracised. I just use myth as a DVR and I like the > > EPG. My linuxbox records the shows, commercial cuts and does mpeg2 to > > mpeg4 via mencoder. My headless box sits in garage. I'm streaming the > > record shows to a network dvd player (IOData LinkPlayer2) using UPnP > > wizd server which runs on the linux box. If I say anything more about > > my setup, the koolaid gang will come after me and try to punish me for > > not using a *proper mythfrontend* for viewing my myth recorded shows > > :-) > > > No, but you might get snapped at for fanning the flames. In fact, I > think you would find quite the opposite. Everyone here is very much > involved in how to make their boxes better. I myself am streaming my > music using UPnP to a HomePod music player in my living room. Myth > doesn't always fit every situation but nor should it be crammed into > every. Dan has found a way to meet his needs as have you, but you'll > note both have also been done without adding excess checkboxes and > infrequently used features to the product. I think you would also find > a great deal of interest if someone were to code a UPnP extension to > Myth (which I believe is what the MFD/MFE part of the codebases are > destined for). There is a right way and a wrong way to participate > with this project. Unfortunately, too many people think they have the > best idea since sliced bread or that just one more option won't hurt > when in reality, it has all been seen before and there has already been > work done to reduce the confusion of options rather than increase them. > > Kevin > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
BP wrote: > Kevin Kuphal wrote: > > >> This always makes me ask...why? With your auto-expiration options set >> (unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your >> space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new. LiveTV >> will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when >> calculating "space" as it will be automatically removed when needed. >> I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match >> your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical >> disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. >> >> Kevin >> > > I keep asking why you can not understand that some people prefer to > manage their own disk space. I do not want a computer to ever decide to > automatically delete something. If I have it recorded and saved, it is > because I want to watch it. > Then don't set it for autoexpire and the only thing that will be autoexpired will be LiveTV recordings. It still works in this manner. > Someone did post the sql commands to mark all current recordings to not > expire. I just still feel much safer knowing that autoexpire will never > run. I do not trust a computer to only delete what it should. Mistakes > happen when scheduling, etc. > Myth will only autoexpire what you tell it to. > I would have much preferred that live tv recordings be flagged as such. > If the user pressed the record button, the flag would be removed. > There could then be a different clean up thread to remove live tv > buffers independent of autoexpire. Perhaps as simply as when live tv is > exited and when the backend starts. > It all depends on your usage, I've already posted a scenario where someone would very much want the LiveTV buffer to stay around after exiting. You're suggesting introducing an entirely new housekeeping function that is already pretty well covered by autoexpire. > I fully understand that this is working as those that contribute code > want. I can accept that. I am just sick and tired of the constant > replies implying that those of us that do not like this functionality > need to get a clue. Many of us just have different opinions and usage > preferences. I have yet to see a usage preference that cannot be met by the current code apart from someone's insistance on managing things outside the system when the internal management does it just as well. But then we're all beating a dead horse here because the lead developer has explained that in no uncertain terms will the request to expire recordings instantly be implemented. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Kevin Kuphal wrote: > This always makes me ask...why? With your auto-expiration options set > (unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your > space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new. LiveTV > will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when > calculating "space" as it will be automatically removed when needed. > I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match > your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical > disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. > > Kevin I keep asking why you can not understand that some people prefer to manage their own disk space. I do not want a computer to ever decide to automatically delete something. If I have it recorded and saved, it is because I want to watch it. The way I see it is that new shows are more likely to have upcoming repeats than older, syndicated reruns. If I miss a new episode due to space issues, I won't have to wait long. If something I have saved gets deleted, it could be a year or more before it is recorded again. However, I do like to know exactly how much free space remains so that I can manage whether or not a recording will be missed due to space. Someone did post the sql commands to mark all current recordings to not expire. I just still feel much safer knowing that autoexpire will never run. I do not trust a computer to only delete what it should. Mistakes happen when scheduling, etc. I would have much preferred that live tv recordings be flagged as such. If the user pressed the record button, the flag would be removed. There could then be a different clean up thread to remove live tv buffers independent of autoexpire. Perhaps as simply as when live tv is exited and when the backend starts. I fully understand that this is working as those that contribute code want. I can accept that. I am just sick and tired of the constant replies implying that those of us that do not like this functionality need to get a clue. Many of us just have different opinions and usage preferences. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
> I think the information you are looking for is already there > in the "AutoExpire List" section on the status page. If you > cursor right when on "AutoExpire List", you'll see detailed information > at the top of the page which includes the total number of recordings > that can be expired as well as the disk space they are consuming. > I calculate the total number of LiveTV recordings and their disk > space in the code but evidently forgot to display it, so I just > committed that change to SVN. wow chris, that is awesome! hadn't even noticed it. not sure how hard it is, or if it's even possible, but it would be nice to be able to manipulate the recordings right from there such as delete and maybe turn off auto-expire. i may have to have a look at the code later tonight just to see how hard that might be. overall very cool though. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Kevin Kuphal wrote: Unfortunately, too many people think they have the > best idea since sliced bread or that just one more option won't hurt > when in reality, it has all been seen before and there has already been > work done to reduce the confusion of options rather than increase them. > > Kevin Ecclesiastes 1:9? ;) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Mudit Wahal wrote: > The koolaid is too srong here and if you are not drinking the same > koolaid, you are ostracised. I just use myth as a DVR and I like the > EPG. My linuxbox records the shows, commercial cuts and does mpeg2 to > mpeg4 via mencoder. My headless box sits in garage. I'm streaming the > record shows to a network dvd player (IOData LinkPlayer2) using UPnP > wizd server which runs on the linux box. If I say anything more about > my setup, the koolaid gang will come after me and try to punish me for > not using a *proper mythfrontend* for viewing my myth recorded shows > :-) > No, but you might get snapped at for fanning the flames. In fact, I think you would find quite the opposite. Everyone here is very much involved in how to make their boxes better. I myself am streaming my music using UPnP to a HomePod music player in my living room. Myth doesn't always fit every situation but nor should it be crammed into every. Dan has found a way to meet his needs as have you, but you'll note both have also been done without adding excess checkboxes and infrequently used features to the product. I think you would also find a great deal of interest if someone were to code a UPnP extension to Myth (which I believe is what the MFD/MFE part of the codebases are destined for). There is a right way and a wrong way to participate with this project. Unfortunately, too many people think they have the best idea since sliced bread or that just one more option won't hurt when in reality, it has all been seen before and there has already been work done to reduce the confusion of options rather than increase them. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
>
> I think the information you are looking for is already there
> in the "AutoExpire List" section on the status page. If you
> cursor right when on "AutoExpire List", you'll see detailed information
> at the top of the page which includes the total number of recordings
> that can be expired as well as the disk space they are consuming.
> I calculate the total number of LiveTV recordings and their disk
> space in the code but evidently forgot to display it, so I just
> committed that change to SVN.
>
> > Yes, that is not the problem. Telling in advance how much it will
> > expire is.
>
> So, this is already visible from the status page and if you update
> to SVN HEAD, you can see how much of that used space is taken up by
> LiveTV recordings.
OK,
this update will solve my problem, at least partially ;-)
I still have to get this done through my ssh connection to the box,
but as I was also looking into the problem here I alrady figured out
that the SQL command to use is:
select sum(filesize) from recorded WHERE hostname IN ("")
AND recgroup="LiveTV";
(Does that look right?)
Just have to write a script which sutracts this value from the df output
I guess.
But thanks a lot Chris for helping out /understanding the problem/arguing
about this!
Restores my faith in the Open Source community
Dag
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Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
> It does seem I have a problem expressing myself as only > Chris Pinkham has understood what I am looking for > so far: > > A method to tell how much stuff I can dump on the disk until > it is full without expiring semi-important shows that are marked > "autoexpire". I think the information you are looking for is already there in the "AutoExpire List" section on the status page. If you cursor right when on "AutoExpire List", you'll see detailed information at the top of the page which includes the total number of recordings that can be expired as well as the disk space they are consuming. I calculate the total number of LiveTV recordings and their disk space in the code but evidently forgot to display it, so I just committed that change to SVN. > Yes, that is not the problem. Telling in advance how much it will > expire is. So, this is already visible from the status page and if you update to SVN HEAD, you can see how much of that used space is taken up by LiveTV recordings. -- Chris Pinkham ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On 1/14/06, Dag Nygren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dag, > > > > The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated > > partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will > > be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds, > > movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK, > > you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in > > the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil > > your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around > > on your precious disk space. > > Thanks for the tip, > but this just doesn't work. > The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded > stream from my Digital video camera. > The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible > when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space > I need it. > Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available. > > > Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s) > > dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented. > > Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've > > found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-) > > > > In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most > > welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light > > weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light > > weight and does only thing :-) > > I do like most of the way that MythTV do things. That is why I am > sticking with it. What I don't like is the attitude on this list from > certain people. You have not seen the attitude yet :-) Search the archives for the F* word and you will find some gems :-) The koolaid is too srong here and if you are not drinking the same koolaid, you are ostracised. I just use myth as a DVR and I like the EPG. My linuxbox records the shows, commercial cuts and does mpeg2 to mpeg4 via mencoder. My headless box sits in garage. I'm streaming the record shows to a network dvd player (IOData LinkPlayer2) using UPnP wizd server which runs on the linux box. If I say anything more about my setup, the koolaid gang will come after me and try to punish me for not using a *proper mythfrontend* for viewing my myth recorded shows :-) > > Your response is a good example of a creative respons and IMHO > the way a list should work so thanks for that. > > Dag > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
> > And I completely agree with the idea of being able to save a complete > > show by pressing record, but is there any use for the older LiveTV > > recordings > > You can already set the expiration of LiveTV recordings to happen 24 hours > later, how much LiveTV can you watch in a day? So if you don't see a need > for recordings older than 24 hours, then set Myth to delete them > automatically. Already did that. And you would be surprised how much disk space can be filled up by kids/wife leaving liveTV on for 24 hours. Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> Dag Nygren wrote: > Then leave. The HNIC (thats head nigga in charge) replied to you and > gave you the answer. How is it his fault you arent 'creative'...scratch > that, smart enough to understand? It does seem I have a problem expressing myself as only Chris Pinkham has understood what I am looking for so far: A method to tell how much stuff I can dump on the disk until it is full without expiring semi-important shows that are marked "autoexpire". > Issac said right there that as long as the backend is running, it will > autexpire the space if ANYTHING wants it. Not just mythtv. Yes, that is not the problem. Telling in advance how much it will expire is. > Youre problem seems to be worrying about some other app using the same > box and needing space. Youve been answered. Thanks, master. ;-) Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
> > I see your point and after Isaac's explanation some time ago I know that > > it is close to what I want, but I still want to know how much of the Digicam > > stuff I can download to the disk before I start doing it. Preferably > > without > > expiring my recorded auto-expirable shows. > > Then maybe you should spend your time writing a patch that's been on my TODO > list for a while. I want to add something to the disk space section of the > mythfrontend status page. Right now it shows how much free space you have > available and estimates how much recording time you have left. I want to > add code to display how much space could be freed by autoexpiring LiveTV and > normal recordings, so you can see how much true disk space you have and an > estimate of the (estimated) true recording time you have left based on that. This sounds interesting and would help a lot. I might take a shot at it next week. 'df' would wtill do the trick though ;-) Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag Nygren wrote: >>Dag, >> >>The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated >>partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will >>be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds, >>movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK, >>you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in >>the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil >>your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around >>on your precious disk space. > > > Thanks for the tip, > but this just doesn't work. > The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded > stream from my Digital video camera. > The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible > when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space > I need it. > Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available. > > >>Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s) >>dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented. >>Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've >>found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-) >> >>In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most >>welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light >>weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light >>weight and does only thing :-) > > > I do like most of the way that MythTV do things. That is why I am > sticking with it. What I don't like is the attitude on this list from > certain people. > > Your response is a good example of a creative respons and IMHO > the way a list should work so thanks for that. > > Dag > > ___ Then leave. The HNIC (thats head nigga in charge) replied to you and gave you the answer. How is it his fault you arent 'creative'...scratch that, smart enough to understand? Heres a quote: > On Wednesday 14 December 2005 17:15, Joseph A. Caputo wrote: >> Sounds to me like maybe this isn't a dedicated Myth box and/or he >> doesn't have a separate disk/partition for Myth recordings. In which >> case, I say either bump up the amount of free space for Myth to honor, >> or get another disk. > > Right - and as long as the backend is running, it will autoexpire things if > _anything_ else wants the disk space. > > Isaac Issac said right there that as long as the backend is running, it will autexpire the space if ANYTHING wants it. Not just mythtv. Youre problem seems to be worrying about some other app using the same box and needing space. Youve been answered. Tom ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
> And I completely agree with the idea of being able to save a complete > show by pressing record, but is there any use for the older LiveTV > recordings You can already set the expiration of LiveTV recordings to happen 24 hours later, how much LiveTV can you watch in a day? So if you don't see a need for recordings older than 24 hours, then set Myth to delete them automatically. -- Chris Pinkham ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled
> I see your point and after Isaac's explanation some time ago I know that > it is close to what I want, but I still want to know how much of the Digicam > stuff I can download to the disk before I start doing it. Preferably without > expiring my recorded auto-expirable shows. Then maybe you should spend your time writing a patch that's been on my TODO list for a while. I want to add something to the disk space section of the mythfrontend status page. Right now it shows how much free space you have available and estimates how much recording time you have left. I want to add code to display how much space could be freed by autoexpiring LiveTV and normal recordings, so you can see how much true disk space you have and an estimate of the (estimated) true recording time you have left based on that. -- Chris Pinkham ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> Dag Nygren wrote: > > Thanks for the tip, > > but this just doesn't work. > > The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded > > stream from my Digital video camera. > > The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible > > when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space > > I need it. > > Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available. > > > Myth will expire programs as you fill the disk regardless of the > source. Set your autoexpire check time low and I don't believe you > could fill the disk fast enough to beat the expiration. All you're > really arguing about is your desire to expire things yourself which is > just silly. Myth will do it for you. Let it. I just want to know in advance it I need to find some other space for my big file. The upload can take quite some time; is it so silly trying to save that first attempt? Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> > I still cannot find an answer to the question: > > What are the features we gain here? > > not even rereading those answers three times. > > > Here's one. You're surfing, you watch a show, catch the last 5 > minutes. The show changes to a movie, you watch 2/3 of the movie and > fall asleep because you were so tired from working your day job. You > wake up, groggy, exit LiveTV, go to bed. You wake up and wish "man, I > would love to watch the end of that movie I missed." I see, I don't have this habit, so it didn't occur to me, but thanks for the answer. This is really all I have been asking for all the time (Yes, you can check the archives ;-) ) > Is that enough of a reason for you? Well, I don't need it, but I am sure it is enough. Just wish this "feature" would be optional. > Fact is, the product is designed to be used as a dedicated PVR. If you > are choosing to use your disk space for other things, then that's fine, > but it is unlikely that feature creep will occur enhancing just your > ability to do that. Changing the scale of that timer value from days to hours is hardly "feature" creep. > Myth already has settings for reserving X amount of > disk space which should be enough to give you a comfort zone for your > other activities on the partition. While you might not think one more > checkbox or a few lines of code matter, each one adds a tiny bit to the > clutter and complexity of the system and sometimes, it is better to > leave it out when already existing features can meet the same need. The MythVideo plugin just asks for the usage in my earlier postings though. Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> > Whats wrong with switch to delete after channel > > change? > > > Perhaps nothing, but then, no one has submitted such a patch. I would > venture that most working on this project do not use their myth boxes or > specifically, their media partitions, for anything other than Myth so > the complaints of filling the disk and/or space consumption are > irrelevant. MythTV does a perfectly good job of managing that disk, > freeing space when needed, and it even has settings for you to use that > will reserve disk space and never touch it if you do happen to need it > for "other projects". For all the complaints prior to this change about > why Myth can't save an in progress recording, when the solution is > implemented, it simply garners more complaints which I can only imagine > frustrates those who spent their time working on this at the request of > users who asked for it. That patch is perhaps not trivial as there might be timing issues involved when switching shows (this is already a problem), but setting the time limit with hour resolution is probably a lot easier. Reserving space is not good as Myth just might need that space at a time when it is not needed for other projects. And I completely agree with the idea of being able to save a complete show by pressing record, but is there any use for the older LiveTV recordings ? Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> Dag Nygren wrote: > >> Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by > >> default and get deleted when room is needed automatically. > >> > > > > I stil would like to be able to use "df" to find out how much space > > I have left on the disk. > > > This always makes me ask...why? With your auto-expiration options set > (unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your > space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new. LiveTV > will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when > calculating "space" as it will be automatically removed when needed. > I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match > your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical > disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. I see your point and after Isaac's explanation some time ago I know that it is close to what I want, but I still want to know how much of the Digicam stuff I can download to the disk before I start doing it. Preferably without expiring my recorded auto-expirable shows. Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag Nygren wrote: >> Dag, >> >> The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated >> partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will >> be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds, >> movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK, >> you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in >> the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil >> your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around >> on your precious disk space. >> > > Thanks for the tip, > but this just doesn't work. > The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded > stream from my Digital video camera. > The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible > when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space > I need it. > Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available. > Myth will expire programs as you fill the disk regardless of the source. Set your autoexpire check time low and I don't believe you could fill the disk fast enough to beat the expiration. All you're really arguing about is your desire to expire things yourself which is just silly. Myth will do it for you. Let it. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag Nygren wrote: >> Dag Nygren wrote: >> I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing channel' would be useful for many people. >>> Yep, >>> I already suggested changing the resolution of the setting >>> "Keep LiveTVthis long" to hours instead of days, but there >>> were no comments on that. >>> >>> I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV >>> recordings around just in case I am missing some nice feature >>> here, but was also there greeted with silence >>> >>> >> Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread >> you started? >> >> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388 >> >> > > I still cannot find an answer to the question: > What are the features we gain here? > not even rereading those answers three times. > Here's one. You're surfing, you watch a show, catch the last 5 minutes. The show changes to a movie, you watch 2/3 of the movie and fall asleep because you were so tired from working your day job. You wake up, groggy, exit LiveTV, go to bed. You wake up and wish "man, I would love to watch the end of that movie I missed." BAM There it is, in the saved LiveTV buffer waiting for you to move it to another recording group for safe keeping. Is that enough of a reason for you? Fact is, the product is designed to be used as a dedicated PVR. If you are choosing to use your disk space for other things, then that's fine, but it is unlikely that feature creep will occur enhancing just your ability to do that. Myth already has settings for reserving X amount of disk space which should be enough to give you a comfort zone for your other activities on the partition. While you might not think one more checkbox or a few lines of code matter, each one adds a tiny bit to the clutter and complexity of the system and sometimes, it is better to leave it out when already existing features can meet the same need. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> Dag, > > The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated > partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will > be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds, > movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK, > you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in > the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil > your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around > on your precious disk space. Thanks for the tip, but this just doesn't work. The main disk space is needed by two things: MythTV and ie. a downloaded stream from my Digital video camera. The problem is that MythTV should be given as much as possible when it is not needed by the digicam, but when I need the space I need it. Putting these on different partitions will not share the space available. > Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s) > dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented. > Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've > found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-) > > In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most > welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light > weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light > weight and does only thing :-) I do like most of the way that MythTV do things. That is why I am sticking with it. What I don't like is the attitude on this list from certain people. Your response is a good example of a creative respons and IMHO the way a list should work so thanks for that. Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag Nygren wrote: >> Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by >> default and get deleted when room is needed automatically. >> > > I stil would like to be able to use "df" to find out how much space > I have left on the disk. > This always makes me ask...why? With your auto-expiration options set (unless you never expire anything), Myth will perfectly manage your space to make sure it removes old shows to make room for new. LiveTV will be expired before anything else so it is irrelevant when calculating "space" as it will be automatically removed when needed. I'd spend a little more time configuring your expiration rules to match your viewing behavior and a little less time worrying about the physical disk space because the system is designed to manage that for you. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
John Andersen wrote: > On 1/13/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >>> I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing >>> channel' would be useful for many people. >>> >>> Chris >>> >> Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by >> default and get deleted when room is needed automatically. >> >> -- >> Steve >> > > Just more crap to back up, requiring larger backup > devices, and wade thru while looking for something. > > There is no defensible reason to fill a disk with trash > just because you can delete it later when you need room. > > Some times people want room for other short term > projects without having to hunt up all their ring buffers > and delete them. > > I would have though that it was becoming obvious > by following a few of these threads that this is > a very unpopular feature. > > Whats wrong with switch to delete after channel > change? > Perhaps nothing, but then, no one has submitted such a patch. I would venture that most working on this project do not use their myth boxes or specifically, their media partitions, for anything other than Myth so the complaints of filling the disk and/or space consumption are irrelevant. MythTV does a perfectly good job of managing that disk, freeing space when needed, and it even has settings for you to use that will reserve disk space and never touch it if you do happen to need it for "other projects". For all the complaints prior to this change about why Myth can't save an in progress recording, when the solution is implemented, it simply garners more complaints which I can only imagine frustrates those who spent their time working on this at the request of users who asked for it. Kevin ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> Dag Nygren wrote: > >> I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing > >> channel' would be useful for many people. > >> > > Yep, > > I already suggested changing the resolution of the setting > > "Keep LiveTVthis long" to hours instead of days, but there > > were no comments on that. > > > > I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV > > recordings around just in case I am missing some nice feature > > here, but was also there greeted with silence > > > Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread > you started? > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388 > I still cannot find an answer to the question: What are the features we gain here? not even rereading those answers three times. > (It's hard to exaggerate when there's an archive of the list.) Well, > since all you heard was silence, I can only assume you were blatantly > ignoring the posts that answered your questions. (I must be a slow > learner, because here I am responding to one of your posts--even though > it seems you'll ignore my response.) > > As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial > > and even I can do it if anyone is interested. > Yes, I'm interested. Please write the patch, apply it to your own > builds of MythTV, and end this discussion. > > Isaac has made it clear that such patches will not be applied to the > main branch, so if you really think you need this functionality, you can > maintain it yourself. If it's really so trivial, it won't be a problem > for you (and, every post you continue to make on this subject is that > much less time you can spend writing the "trivial" patch for your > install of Myth). :-)) Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag, The best way to get *around* this issue is to have a dedicated partition for the myth recordings. That way, the old livetv files will be deleted much faster. You can keep your programs, archives, dvds, movies, downloads, torrents, etc on a separate partition(s). AFAIK, you can set the directory paths in the myth setup. Its little pain in the behind to setup separate partition, but atleast you will not boil your blood everytime you see gigabytes of livetv buffer sitting around on your precious disk space. Also, this is more like a developer's project. The developer(s) dictate which features are needed and how it should be implemented. Always keep that in mind, it helps to lower your blood pressure. I've found many work arounds in mythtv to keep my cool :-) In the end, if you dont like the way mythtv works, you are most welcome to try other alternatives, such as Freevo, VDR (very light weight), etc etc. I've just started looking at the VDR, its very light weight and does only thing :-) Thanks Mudit On 1/14/06, Michael T. Dean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dag Nygren wrote: > >> I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing > >> channel' would be useful for many people. > >> > > Yep, > > I already suggested changing the resolution of the setting > > "Keep LiveTVthis long" to hours instead of days, but there > > were no comments on that. > > > > I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV > > recordings around just in case I am missing some nice feature > > here, but was also there greeted with silence > > > Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread > you started? > > http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388 > > (It's hard to exaggerate when there's an archive of the list.) Well, > since all you heard was silence, I can only assume you were blatantly > ignoring the posts that answered your questions. (I must be a slow > learner, because here I am responding to one of your posts--even though > it seems you'll ignore my response.) > > As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial > > and even I can do it if anyone is interested. > Yes, I'm interested. Please write the patch, apply it to your own > builds of MythTV, and end this discussion. > > Isaac has made it clear that such patches will not be applied to the > main branch, so if you really think you need this functionality, you can > maintain it yourself. If it's really so trivial, it won't be a problem > for you (and, every post you continue to make on this subject is that > much less time you can spend writing the "trivial" patch for your > install of Myth). > > Mike > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag Nygren wrote: >> I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing >> channel' would be useful for many people. >> > Yep, > I already suggested changing the resolution of the setting > "Keep LiveTVthis long" to hours instead of days, but there > were no comments on that. > > I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV > recordings around just in case I am missing some nice feature > here, but was also there greeted with silence > Does this silence include the 6 posts from Isaac alone on this thread you started? http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/167388?167388 (It's hard to exaggerate when there's an archive of the list.) Well, since all you heard was silence, I can only assume you were blatantly ignoring the posts that answered your questions. (I must be a slow learner, because here I am responding to one of your posts--even though it seems you'll ignore my response.) > As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial > and even I can do it if anyone is interested. Yes, I'm interested. Please write the patch, apply it to your own builds of MythTV, and end this discussion. Isaac has made it clear that such patches will not be applied to the main branch, so if you really think you need this functionality, you can maintain it yourself. If it's really so trivial, it won't be a problem for you (and, every post you continue to make on this subject is that much less time you can spend writing the "trivial" patch for your install of Myth). Mike ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On 1/13/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing > > channel' would be useful for many people. > > > > Chris > > Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by > default and get deleted when room is needed automatically. > > -- > Steve Just more crap to back up, requiring larger backup devices, and wade thru while looking for something. There is no defensible reason to fill a disk with trash just because you can delete it later when you need room. Some times people want room for other short term projects without having to hunt up all their ring buffers and delete them. I would have though that it was becoming obvious by following a few of these threads that this is a very unpopular feature. Whats wrong with switch to delete after channel change? -- --JSA- ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> Dag Nygren wrote: > > As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial > > and even I can do it if anyone is interested. > The only change that anyone will notice with the extra recordings is the > added functionality of having the LiveTV recording group, and possibly > an average over-all increase in disk usage (which if you are not > recording anything shouldn't change, and if you are will keep increasing > as per usual). And once more I will ask: What is that extra functionality??? I really want to know! Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> Dag Nygren wrote: > >>Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by > >>default and get deleted when room is needed automatically. > > > > > > I stil would like to be able to use "df" to find out how much space > > I have left on the disk. > > I can assure you the LiveTV re-write has not changed the functionality > of the df utility. As I also use the same box as a download repository I REALLY want to know how much space I have left on the disk when ssh:ing into it. Why can't you guys get off your high horses and see that your precious PVR box really might/can do other things too and start listening and getting constructive instead of flaming anyone that has a different opinion than you. We do have brains too, you know. > What you really want to do is gauge how much space is being used by > MythTV, not how much space is left on the disk. No, not really. What I want is to share the space between MythTV and other applications. > Setup your minimum free space parameter and you will *know* how much > space is available for new recordings. Not. As there will be more space available when the LiveTV stuff is included. > Hell, set it to bigger than your disk size and Myth will be deleting > LiveTV stuff every time the auto-expire runs. That will also kill other recordings that are marked for autoexpire. Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag Nygren wrote: >>Theres no need for it, all those little files can be hidden from view by >>default and get deleted when room is needed automatically. > > > I stil would like to be able to use "df" to find out how much space > I have left on the disk. I can assure you the LiveTV re-write has not changed the functionality of the df utility. What you really want to do is gauge how much space is being used by MythTV, not how much space is left on the disk. Setup your minimum free space parameter and you will *know* how much space is available for new recordings. Hell, set it to bigger than your disk size and Myth will be deleting LiveTV stuff every time the auto-expire runs. Johan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Dag Nygren wrote: > As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial > and even I can do it if anyone is interested. As it doesn't make any difference to whether your disk fills up quicker what is the point? LiveTV recordings are automatically expired to make way for scheduled shows and to keep the minimum amount of disk space specified free I don't understand why so many people are complaining about this? MythTV is a PVR and should treat your hardware as such. This is the way PVRs work. The only change that anyone will notice with the extra recordings is the added functionality of having the LiveTV recording group, and possibly an average over-all increase in disk usage (which if you are not recording anything shouldn't change, and if you are will keep increasing as per usual). Set it up properly and it shouldn't cause you any grief. It seems a lot of people are having a conceptual problem here. Johan ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
> I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing > channel' would be useful for many people. Yep, I already suggested changing the resolution of the setting "Keep LiveTVthis long" to hours instead of days, but there were no comments on that. I also tried to ask what the point was keeping the old LiveTV recordings around just in case I am missing some nice feature here, but was also there greeted with silence As it doesn't change any logic in Myth the patch is trivial and even I can do it if anyone is interested. Dag ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On 1/13/06, Steve Adeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 13 January 2006 07:04, SpEnT wrote:> On 1/12/06, Johan Venter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > SpEnT wrote:> > > I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading > > > to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and> > > keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs> > > and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an > > > example heres a file listing:> >> > This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if> > you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list. > >> > > This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I> > > store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing> > > this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is > > > appreciated!!> >> > If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run> > out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on > > your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings.>> I'm just going to use an older version. While watching live TV> sometimes when it gets to the end of a program the screen just freezes > and I have to exit out and start live TV again (I was wondering why it> always seemed to freeze right at 1/2 past the hour or right on thethis is the new ringbuffer change, its closing out the old ringbuffer for the show you were watching and creating the new one for the new show. The dev'sare working on minimizing the time delay, and some circumstances (mostly withPVR cards but I think this bug may have been fixed already) have led this to cause a freeze, though newer SVN's may already have this fixed (I've onlynoticed the freeze happen once in watching Live TV so I feel lucky).> hour), plus now in the listings for recorded programs in Mythweb I > show 50 files ;) ... some of them are really small ones due to only> watching a channel for a few minuntes. I've saved some older versions> that worked the old way so I'll stop using svn.MythWeb is also going to be/already has been updated to have a similar option to ignore the livetv recordings.> Either way thanks for he info :)Will the option to hide the live TV recordings completely hide the recordings or will they simply be hidden in the "All Recordings" section, with a "Live TV" section on left with the show names? -- I probably still have a few (well, now a whole bunch) gmail invites.Drop me a line (off list) if you'd like an account. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On Friday 13 January 2006 07:04, SpEnT wrote: > On 1/12/06, Johan Venter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > SpEnT wrote: > > > I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading > > > to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and > > > keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs > > > and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an > > > example heres a file listing: > > > > This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if > > you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list. > > > > > This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I > > > store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing > > > this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is > > > appreciated!! > > > > If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run > > out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on > > your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings. > > I'm just going to use an older version. While watching live TV > sometimes when it gets to the end of a program the screen just freezes > and I have to exit out and start live TV again (I was wondering why it > always seemed to freeze right at 1/2 past the hour or right on the this is the new ringbuffer change, its closing out the old ringbuffer for the show you were watching and creating the new one for the new show. The dev's are working on minimizing the time delay, and some circumstances (mostly with PVR cards but I think this bug may have been fixed already) have led this to cause a freeze, though newer SVN's may already have this fixed (I've only noticed the freeze happen once in watching Live TV so I feel lucky). > hour), plus now in the listings for recorded programs in Mythweb I > show 50 files ;) ... some of them are really small ones due to only > watching a channel for a few minuntes. I've saved some older versions > that worked the old way so I'll stop using svn. MythWeb is also going to be/already has been updated to have a similar option to ignore the livetv recordings. > Either way thanks for he info :) ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On Fri, 2006-01-13 at 06:04 -0600, SpEnT wrote: > > > > > This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I > > > store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing > > > this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is > > > appreciated!! > > > > If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run > > out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on > > your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings. I do feel that an option 'Delete LiveTV Recordings when changing channel' would be useful for many people. Chris ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
Thanks Johan, I'm just going to use an older version. While watching live TV sometimes when it gets to the end of a program the screen just freezes and I have to exit out and start live TV again (I was wondering why it always seemed to freeze right at 1/2 past the hour or right on the hour), plus now in the listings for recorded programs in Mythweb I show 50 files ;) ... some of them are really small ones due to only watching a channel for a few minuntes. I've saved some older versions that worked the old way so I'll stop using svn. Either way thanks for he info :) On 1/12/06, Johan Venter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > SpEnT wrote: > > I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading > > to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and > > keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs > > and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an > > example heres a file listing: > > This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if > you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list. > > > This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I > > store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing > > this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is > > appreciated!! > > If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run > out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on > your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings. > > ___ > mythtv-users mailing list > mythtv-users@mythtv.org > http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users > ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
SpEnT wrote: > I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading > to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and > keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs > and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an > example heres a file listing: This is how LiveTV works now. I know it's a standard response, but if you're going to run SVN, you need to be following the dev list. > This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I > store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing > this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is > appreciated!! If you have your LiveTV auto-expire settings correct, you will never run out of disk space - it will delete the oldest LiveTV recordings based on your preferences to make room for actual scheduled recordings. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On 1/12/06, Drew Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know nothing about this other than there have been a few previous > threads regarding the same issue. The replies were along the lines of > "if you're going to run SVN, then you better follow the dev list". So > obviously this was an announced change and Google should be of assistance. Well I did some digging before I posted this but the way I'm describing it or the way I'm searching is giving me nothing. I'll try again in the archives and see if anything hits. ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
Re: [mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
On 1/12/2006 4:42 PM SpEnT said the following: >I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading >to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and >keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs >and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an >example heres a file listing: > >630M Jan 12 18:31 1023_20060112181401.mpg >7.8M Jan 12 18:40 1145_20060112183956.mpg >4.6M Jan 12 18:40 1125_20060112184015.mpg >11M Jan 12 18:40 1127_20060112184025.mpg >5.4M Jan 12 18:40 1045_20060112184042.mpg > >This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I >store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing >this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is >appreciated!! > I know nothing about this other than there have been a few previous threads regarding the same issue. The replies were along the lines of "if you're going to run SVN, then you better follow the dev list". So obviously this was an announced change and Google should be of assistance. Cheers, Drew ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
[mythtv-users] Live TV recording as if it was a scheduled recording
I'm not sure if there's something I may have done but after upgrading to svn 8566, everytime I watch TV it recods what I'm watching and keeps the file. I ran a watch -n1 where I store my recorded programs and everyimte I changed the channel it adds a new mpg file as an example heres a file listing: 630M Jan 12 18:31 1023_20060112181401.mpg 7.8M Jan 12 18:40 1145_20060112183956.mpg 4.6M Jan 12 18:40 1125_20060112184015.mpg 11M Jan 12 18:40 1127_20060112184025.mpg 5.4M Jan 12 18:40 1045_20060112184042.mpg This was just changing channels and it fills up the directory where I store my recordings. Does anyone have any ideas why it would be doing this or what I might have to change to fix it? Any help is appreciated!! -- Lonny ___ mythtv-users mailing list mythtv-users@mythtv.org http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-users
