[newbie-it] Materizzatore

2001-12-28 Thread Milko Ferioli

Ciao a tutti,
ho un masterizzatore HP 9100 installato, come faccio a farlo riconoscere 
a Mandrake 8.1?
Non avendo la più pallida idea di come si masterizza sotto Linux 
potreste aiutarmi.

Grazie mille per gli aiuti, e Buon Anno


Milko





[newbie-it] epson_stylus_c60

2001-12-28 Thread manolo simoni

grazie in anticipo
ho installato una epson stylus c60
che dovrebbe essere ottimale con la mia mandrake 8.1
qualcuno mi sa dire quale driver dovrei utilizzare
sul sito di mandrake non e' indicato
o perlomeno non l'ho trovato
quello proposto da hard-drake (non mi pare presente un driver per la 
stampante in oggetto)
non mi pare che stampi in maniera ottimale
particolarmente i colori
forse devo cambiare qualche impostazione?
rigrazie




Re: [newbie-it] Materizzatore

2001-12-28 Thread Daniele Micci

Il giorno 14:55, venerdì 28 dicembre 2001 hai scritto:
 Ciao a tutti,
 ho un masterizzatore HP 9100 installato, come faccio a farlo riconoscere
 a Mandrake 8.1?
 Non avendo la più pallida idea di come si masterizza sotto Linux
 potreste aiutarmi.

 Grazie mille per gli aiuti, e Buon Anno


 Milko

Ciao Milko,
in questi casi la rete è un ottimo posto dove cercare informazioni.
Puoi trovare le istruzioni che cerchi dando un'occhiata a queste pagine:
http://www.smartcomputing.com/editorial/article.asp?article=articles%2F2001%2Fs1209%2F54s09%2F54s09%2Easp
http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-04/desktop_01.html
Non dimenticare, ovviamente, la documentazione in linea di Mandrake: leggiti 
il CD-Writing HowTo che trovi nel pacchetto di documentazione di Mdk...
Buona lettura!

Daniele




Re: [newbie-it] Gnomemeeting

2001-12-28 Thread e/io

Alle 13:57, giovedì 27 dicembre 2001, hai scritto:
 Ciao,
   è proprio vero che la notte porta consiglio. Stamattina sono riuscito a
 compilare Gnomemeeting. Ho anche aggiustato un po' la traduzione, e
 finalmente la finestra si apre. C'è per caso qualcuno che lo usa, così che
 possa fare qualche prova ? Poichè non c'è manuale d'uso, some si fa ad
 usarlo ?

 Grazie anticipate,
   Alberto




Prova a vedere in questo sito   http://www.gnomemeeting.org/screenshots.php   
ma c'è poco. Sono anche io nelle stesse tue condizioni. Lancio la connessione 
sulla barra in basso compare calling... e poi più niente. 
Fammi sapere se ci riesci.
Ciao




[newbie] Segmentation+misc. install errors ?

2001-12-28 Thread lee

Hi Folks,

Well I'm back to my son's box still trying to get 8.1 installed. Here is the 
gist of the guts :-)


It's an FIC motherboard (va-503+) w/192 mg. of ram. Now the memory consists 
of  2 sticks,1 is a 128 mg of crucial ram that is cl2. The other is a stick I 
bought from Tiger Direct. I've also got an ATI RAge 128 Pro (AGP card). In 
addition there is a Teac cdr along with another cdrom. The hd is a WD unit. 
Oh..and the bios is by award..version je-439 (if this helps). There is also a 
nic card that needs to go in,whch isn't in there at the moment. All of this 
is in an AT type case...

The errors are seg faults..seems like memory is missing..lots of sig 
11's,,hmm  a few other wordings but it sounds like the themes are the same 
across all of them.

I've tried a # of different settings..video shadowing off/on,turned the 
caches off/on,the pci burst settings and a variety of other things that don't 
seem to come to mind at the moment. Re-set the ram to cl3 ( took out what I 
percieved as the cheaper ram (the tiger) and used just the crucial)pnp 
off/on..irq manual/auto. Darn near all of 'em I think..lol. Bios 
defaults..set-up defaults...gee have I missed any..lol. I'm sure I have but 
you get the point :-)

I even tried taking the drive to another box,loaded 8.1 (gaming edition) and 
put it back in the machine (it didn't like my trickery) to no avail.

As I'm not sure which direction to go next I thought I'd post my problem 
here. The boy had 98se on there before and I REALLY REALLY  don't wanna admit 
defeat and re-install that !! Win4Lin,sure..but straight 98..NO !! Now..I'm 
thinking maybe pull out the cdr (set as sec. master and where I'm installing 
from) and try again ? I have a PCI video card I can try ?

Anyway..if anyone has managed to get past issues such as this I'd really love 
to know how it was done,or be pointed to the correct docs to work it out on 
my own. I spent 12+ hours trying to deal w/this the day before y'day before I 
come crying to the list..lol.

Thank you all once again..so very much for your time :-)

Lee




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Re: [newbie] RE: Office Suites

2001-12-28 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 01:28:01 -0500
Maureen L. Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled gleefully:

 I upgraded to KDE 2.2 and am using K-Office.  So far it hasn't crashed
 or froze on me and I have imported all the documents I was using from
 Lotus SmartSuite and it hasn't lost a thing.  I am very pleased with
 it.  Some small improvements in K-Spread are needed, like multi copy,
 but otherwise it works just fine.  KWord does everything that I need for
 home and for a couple of non profit orgs I help out.  All in all it all
 works fairly decently.

Interesting, Maureen, but how about the export filters?  Will K-Office
successfully export to M$Office or Lotus SmartSuite.  Can a document be
saved in .doc or .xlm or whatever.  When I tried to import a form (lots of
tables) from a Word file that that StarOffice handled flawlessly, there
were too many errors in the K-Word version to make the form usable. 
Ordinary Word docs (mere text) seem to work OK. Thanks for the review,
Mike 

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Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-28 Thread Roger Sherman

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Doug Lerner wrote:



 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Friday, December 28, 2001):

 Tech support? Free downloads, but boxed packages that you pay for if you
 choose? Heh...sound familiar? Just a thought...

 The company I work for actually doesn't sell boxed sets. The total
 download is just about 15 MB and we provide updates practically weekly,
 so they would get out of date too quickly.

 doug

I'm sure, however, that you see my point. I was just mentioning a couple
possible revenue stream.










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[newbie] Firewire

2001-12-28 Thread Roger Sherman

I'm currently in the process of building a new PC (finally, everything is
ordered except the RAM - and can anyone tell me why crucial.coms prices
just jumped?), and I'm kind of curious about firewire - is it linux
friendly? I do plan on doing some video editing with this machine, and
some friends (mostly Mac users) have assured me that firewire is the way
to go for that, if in fact it can be integrated into Linux.

Thanks!

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Re: [newbie] Re: [nVidia on Mandrake]

2001-12-28 Thread Wes Gregg

On Thursday 27 December 2001 05:59 pm, you wrote:

 I agree.  I have an Athlon 1GHz and I've given up trying to use nvidia's
 drivers.  I too have noticed that there seem to be a lot of problems with
 AMD cpus and nvidia drivers.

 Because I have 1152MB RAM I use Mandrake's enterprise kernels.  The 1541
 nvidia drivers for 2.4.8-26mdkenterprise (from muo a couple of months
 back) work fine with that kernel, however supermount is not supported.
 Thus I also have 2.4.16.3mdk-1-1mdkenterprise installed (supermount works)
 but have been unsuccessful with any of the nvidia drivers so I'm using
 XFree86-3.3.6-23 without 3D accel for this kernel.

I have read several references that stated we need to only use a (BEEFY) 
AMD-approved power supply.  Especially with the faster/newer AMDs and video 
cards as they draw lots of wattage.  Also with more ram, bigger/faster 
spinning drives, extra pci cards.  I don't _seem_ to have any ps-related 
problems, but I only have a cheap 16meg TNT agp card and one pci card (cheap 
sound) and one isa card (my usr sportster 33.6 voice modem since my 56k pci 
modem uses Conexant's HCF drivers.  They say on their website they will have 
Linux drivers for it by the end of the year but looks at calendar and shakes 
head...).

I assume you've been through the nVidia drivers with a fine-toothed card.  I 
also assume if it is an Abit mobo you have tried turning off AGP to see if 
that takes care of it.  Read a reference that some of their older mobos 
wouldn't work properly with AGP - that they discovered this while developing 
their own nVidia-based video cards.  Apparently it has something to do with 
power, as they say there are a handful of power supplies that overcome this 
problem (somehow).

 I've tried 1541, 2313 and 2314 with rpms, source rpms and compiling from
 the tarballs to no avail.  I also compiled 7 different kernels myself and
 tried each driver with each kernel before I realised I was wasting my time.

Ouch!

 The strange thing is that with most nvidia driver installs it all worked
 just fine and dandy (gears, tuxracer, tuxkart, etc) until I restarted X or
 rebooted then I started getting segmentation faults all over the place.

Hey.  I think I read something about this situation on (possibly) nVidia's 
linux forum.  Could have been Mandrake User forum.  It might have something 
to do with that depmod a command, but I don't think so (my memory is 
faultier than my computer's).

 To make matters worse, it appears that my monitor - Philips 107S - causes
 problems so I'm using a generic multisync monitor driver.  The Philips
 drivers that come with LM work but there are errors/problems.

I bought my monitor in 1994 - all I can use are the generic drivers.  Which 
brings to mind something I've been wondering about since my first install at 
the first of the month:

Does anyone know the difference between Generic SVGA and Generic Extended 
SVGA or whatever it is in the Generic Monitor section?

 So until I find a kernel that supports supermount and the nvidia drivers
 work with it, I'll have to boot between these two kernels.  Not that I'm
 complaining...  ; )

I hope you get it all worked out before you get tired of trying.  Another 
question:  My box (Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack) says I have kernels 2.4.8 
and 2.2.19.  But when I installed (over and over) I never saw a place for 
choosing kernels.  It seems I have 2.4.8.26 installed automatically?

 skinky

I'll just have to take your word on that one!  8-P

Later,
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Re: [newbie] Firewire

2001-12-28 Thread lee

Well not sure about the firewire portion of this post,but I can tell you that 
ram prices go up and down all the time. We have been blessed lately by cheap 
prices :-)

Lee




 I'm currently in the process of building a new PC (finally, everything is
 ordered except the RAM - and can anyone tell me why crucial.coms prices
 just jumped?), and I'm kind of curious about firewire - is it linux
 friendly? I do plan on doing some video editing with this machine, and
 some friends (mostly Mac users) have assured me that firewire is the way
 to go for that, if in fact it can be integrated into Linux.

 Thanks!

 Rog




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Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-28 Thread Wes Gregg

   If software were free how could the employees of the software company
   be paid to begin with?

Lots (most?) non-profit organizations' employees draw salaries.

Someone mentioned internet development as an example of free software 
helping us all.  I saw the guy that wrote the mailer program that the 
majority of isps use on TechTV a couple of months back.  He didn't seem to 
mind that his free software was being used by millions.  Although if he had 
charged $5-$10 for each copy in existance he would surely be a millionaire.  
Of course there are probbably other programs that do the same thing for 
hundreds of dollars.  I for one am glad that they aren't the only option, as 
I live in a small town with dialup only and I can see how we could have been 
severly restricted in internet isps if everything that was available for 
free...

...Wasn't


 Red Hat has posted small (and growing) profits over the past few quarters.
 MandrakeSoft is apparently on target to post a profit next year or in 2003.
 Considering that the current economic climate is not conducive to profit
 making, these are not trivial feats. I think the key staff know what the
 GNU/Linux distribution market is like, and they won't be expecting too much
 from their share prices. MandrakeSoft is listed on the Marche Libre
 exchange, which was chosen (AFAICT) for its stability and lack of
 over-speculation, which is the main problem with the NYSE and OTC (AKA
 Nasdaq). Investors here generally tend to be more forgiving and don't
 expect quick, unsustainable profits.

How can one (in the United States) purchase a token amount of Mandrake 
shares (just a couple I am afraid) without going to a stock broker?

 But, as you have said, the verdict is still out on that. :)

It seems that a lot of the big (for profit) software companies (I'm thinking 
along the lines of Microsoft and Apple here) are like chiropractors.  Their 
entire existance is based on taking people's money to just get them by until 
the next visit (verion).  If they got it right the first time they would all 
go out of business.

Someone said to me, You don't buy a new car and expect to get a free 
upgrade when the next version comes out, do you?  But if I bought a new car 
and it stalled at least once a day and I had to restart, well, sure I 
would expect a free upgrade - to a properly working version which is what I 
would have paid for in the first place.  I mean c'mon, why pay a hundred 
dollars (or more) just to be what amounts to a beta (gamma?) tester?!?

Linux, on the other hand, IS free.  If I do find a bug, it probbably 
wouldn't anger me that much to download a newer version.  And since the 
minute you do there are probbably three newer versions out there, it isn't 
like there is a long wait for bugfixes/upgrades.

Microsoft, I hate your OS's (well, I actually LIKED Windows 3.11, and its 
File Manager (don't like to see my files as icons, y'see) - but I really like 
your hardware (mice/keyboards are outstanding and cheap if you don't need the 
absolute newest versions) and games (Flight Simulator, I think I have one of 
the original DOS versions).  It's a shame buying one of their products 
doesn't give you a voice in the direction of development of their company.  
Or maybe its just a shame their stockholders (Hmm, Bill?) don't have to use 
their OS (exclusively).  And BTW, WTF is Windows ME for, anyway?

Just venting/rambliing,
Wes Gregg
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[newbie] Online Troubleshooting Resources HOWTO

2001-12-28 Thread Charles A Edwards

Online Troubleshooting Resources HOWTO

http://www.xmission.com/~howardm/t1.html

It almost sounds redundant - an online HOWTO on how to find HOWTOs and other resources 
online. This click is actually very useful. By pulling together a great collection of 
online Linux resources, the author has created a quick-look click that should be 
useful to all Linux users, newbie or guru. This link was originally part of Linux: An 
Eclectic Compendium for Linux Newbies that is now, according to the author, no longer 
maintained.


Reted from 20011228 Lockergnome Penguin Shell



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Re: [newbie] Mandrake support

2001-12-28 Thread Ed Tharp

this is NOT mandreake suport, and you probly should look on the web pages you 
were on on mandrake-expert to contact them about the problem.
 what was the problem tho?


On Wednesday 26 December 2001 21:11, you wrote:
 I have purchased mandrake powerpack 8.1. I got registered also.
 I did login. and started creating an incident. I am not sure what is the
 title? I typed one for power pack i got the next screen saying that I don't
 own any unit. I typed my user name. Then also same how to roceed to use the
 mandrake expert during this period. Validity exist upto 25/2/2



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Re: [newbie] clock on dual boot system

2001-12-28 Thread Kenn Murrah

thanks to everyone who helped me on this question,
especially you, Anuerin ... this is a terrific reply.


--- Anuerin G.  Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:08:22 -0800 (PST)
 Kenn Murrah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  okay, i know this is a trivial issue but it's
 driving
  me nuts ...
  
  i've created a dual boot (windows ME and linux) in
  which the clock is 6 hours different between the
 two
  ... if i correct the clock in one operating
 system,
  when i reboot, it's wrong in the other ...
  
  what am i doing wrong here, gang ?
  
  thanks,
  
  kenn
  
  
 
 
 you are in luck, i still have the reply from the
 semi-legendary  Tom Brinkman himself about the same
 problem
 
 [PASTE]
 
hwclock --hctosys
   Set the System Time from the Hardware
 Clock.
 
hwclock --systohc
   Set the Hardware Clock to the current
 System Time.
 
   (see  man hwclock)   I use this alias in bashrc to
 set both 
 hardware and software clocks to a time server (U of
 Houston)
 
 alias tdate=rdate -p -s tick.uh.edu  hwclock
 --systohc
 
You'll probly need to install rdate, it's on your
 CD's. You'll 
 also need to find a public time server in your time
 zone (Google).
 
 [/PASTE]
 
 but i havent even tried it yet because of the public
 time server thing which is not always accessible to
 me (i may not be understanding it correctly but
 charge it to my personal stupidity ;-). i made do
 with not selecting any timezone in linux. i now have
 the same time in the two OS in my box.
 
 ciao!
 -- 
 
 Programming, an artform that fights back.
 
 ===
 
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 Design Engineer
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 Ortigas Center, Pasig City,
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[newbie] kernel update

2001-12-28 Thread Eric



I did a kernel header, doc, and kernel update with 
mandrake on my 8.0 system. Everything installed just fine but I can no 
longer use ppp to get on the internet. I tried modprobe -v ppp and it 
can't seem to find it.

I am out of ideas.

Crapola I shouldn't have updated through security 
updates.

Eric


Re: [newbie] Re: [nVidia on Mandrake]

2001-12-28 Thread Steve

On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 08:23:37AM -0500, Wes Gregg wrote:

snip

I hope you get it all worked out before you get tired of trying.  Another 
 question:  My box (Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack) says I have kernels 2.4.8 
 and 2.2.19.  But when I installed (over and over) I never saw a place for 
 choosing kernels.  It seems I have 2.4.8.26 installed automatically?

I think Civilme alluded to the fact recently that one needs to boot from
the cd [#2?] that has those kernels. Search the past few days for
complete instructions from him.

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Re: [newbie] Segmentation+misc. install errors ?

2001-12-28 Thread Tom Brinkman

On Thursday 27 December 2001 04:17 pm, lee wrote:
 Well I'm back to my son's box still trying to get 8.1 installed.
 Here is the gist of the guts :-)
 It's an FIC motherboard (va-503+) w/192 mg. of ram. Now the memory
 consists of  2 sticks,1 is a 128 mg of crucial ram that is cl2. The
 other is a stick I bought from Tiger Direct. I've also got an ATI
 RAge 128 Pro (AGP card). In addition there is a Teac cdr along with
 another cdrom. The hd is a WD unit. Oh..and the bios is by
 award..version je-439 (if this helps). There is also a nic card
 that needs to go in,whch isn't in there at the moment. All of this
 is in an AT type case...

 The errors are seg faults..seems like memory is missing..lots of
 sig 11's,,hmm  a few other wordings but it sounds like the themes
 are the same across all of them.

 I've tried a # of different settings..video shadowing off/on,turned
 the caches off/on,the pci burst settings and a variety of other
 things that don't seem to come to mind at the moment. Re-set the
 ram to cl3 ( took out what I percieved as the cheaper ram (the
 tiger) and used just the crucial)pnp off/on..irq manual/auto.
 Darn near all of 'em I think..lol. Bios defaults..set-up
 defaults...gee have I missed any..lol. I'm sure I have but you get
 the point :-)

 I even tried taking the drive to another box,loaded 8.1 (gaming
 edition) and put it back in the machine (it didn't like my
 trickery) to no avail.

http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
Sig11's are due to faulty software or faulty hardware. Since 
you're havin problems with software that most people don't have 
problems with, it strongly indicates hardware problems. So I believe 
before you can do much else, you need to test the hardware. Before 
you try the apps below, go thru the box and re-seat ram sticks, 
peripheal cards, cables, etc.  Make sure the HDD is set appropriately 
to master or slave, and not cable select.

Make a bootable floppy with memtest86. 
http://www.teresaudio.com/memtest86/The doc's will tell you how 
to do this.  You can also make it on the other box.  Then boot that 
floppy and let the tests run overnite. You should get -0- errors.  

mprime would be a more stringent test  
http://www.iaeste.dk/~henrik/projects/mprime.html
Make a bootable floppy and run 'mprime -m', choose option 17 (torture 
test). Let it run overnite, again, you should get -0- errors.

The ultimate acid test is cpuburn
http://users.ev1.net/~redelm/
You should have constant cpu temperature monitoring enabled before 
you run the appropriate module for your processor (ie, K6, K7).
Again, -0- errors, and your cpu and case cooling must be adequate to 
keep your cpu at least 30C under AMD's failure spec for your 
proccessor.
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Re: Open Source (was Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites? Now OT)

2001-12-28 Thread Wes Gregg

On Friday 28 December 2001 09:49 am, you wrote:

 This list like to MS-bash. A lot. Be careful in your MS-bashing, though;
 they made most of the tech revolution possible. Without MS the tech
 industry as we know it would be much smaller (most of us wouldn't have jobs
 in tech), we would probably all be using OS/2 version 2, and MacOS 6 or 7
 would likely be a new product.

I don't have a job in the tech industry.  Maybe that would change my 
perspective.  I never got to try OS/2 but I heard that it was well-liked by 
its users.  MacOS only runs on Macs (AFAICT) so that isn't something to help 
me either (mainly because the macs are WAY out of my price range, maybe if I 
could just write a check for a new G4 my perspective would change.  Mac users 
sure seem to like being Mac users).

 Not only that, but processor development would have been slower. We would
 all be using 486/Pentium processors right now. There would be no such thing
 as desktop 3D-acceleration. SGI and Sun would still be major forces in the
 computer industry. The Internet boom would never have happened. Linux would
 never have been developed. At least, not to the point it is now. It would
 have simply been considered a Unix variant (at best) or an entertaining
 graduate school project (at worst).

I was a fan of MS-DOS.  Even (more or less) liked Win 3.11.  I like a GUI 
desktop, I just don't like icons only.  I guess I like to pretend I know 
what is going on.

And when it comes down to it I miss my Commodore 128.  And the sound on my 
Commodore 64 wasn't too shabby (midi type I guess).  And I could turn it on 
and it was all set to go.

 We owe Bill a great deal. Does that mean I like the way his company does
 business? No. But I still respect him for doing something that most of us
 are very jealous at (whether we admit it or not), and that's becoming the
 richest man alive by creating demand for something that the rest of us
 decided we couldn't live without: computers. How many of you actually
 remember the pre-MS computer days? And not just Windows; pre-MS-DOS, too.
 Okay, stop it with the siezures and the coughing and the unpleasant
 memory-faces. *You* know what I'm talking about.

Ok.  _I_miss_my_Commodore_128.  I think if we were using them ( computers 
of that era) we would still know Spam as that meat-like food and our time on 
the internet wouldn't be spent closing pop-up ad windows.  Years ago my 
friend had an account at our local college on their Vax/VMS(?) computer and I 
learned a little about email/gopher, etc.  How many people know gopher as 
anything but the little rodent today?  And all the busy signals I get and 
slowdowns?  If half of the internet users really ARE just downloading porn 
and such - that wasn't a problem at 320*200*16 colors.

And I can't really see the me-too!  AOL users rushing to sign up for such 
a service on a unix-based system.  (Note:  There are lots (_maybe_ even the 
majority) of useful human beings that use aol.  But)

And I wouldn't have to throw away approx. 3 AOL cd's a week.  At least when 
they sent the floppies you could tape over the write-protect hole and 
reformat it.  I wish they would send their crap on cd-rw's - but I ramble.

 Personally, If I ever met Mr. Gates (or Ballmer or anyone else high-up at
 Microsoft) I would smile, shake hands, and thank them for what they've done
 for the world of computers. After all, if they had never shown up I
 wouldn't have the job I have. And I'm betting that a decent number of you
 wouldn't either. :)

I hear he is actually a nice man if you don't get in his way.  But if you 
get in MY way you will not get run over.

But like I said, I only have a problem with his OS's ( the last several at 
that).  I like the hardware and some of the games.  And as for unfair 
business practices(sic):  If someone like me could see this situation 
developing years ago, surely the companies crying foul today could have.  
Brings to mind Darwin's Theory of Evolution.  Not even a gazelle climbs into 
the lion's mouth.

And I suppose if he wanted to he could have squashed/bought/sent to Davy 
Jone's Locker the developers of free software if he wanted to.  And not 
being a fool, he probbably looks at it as good for the industry.  After all, 
if there really WAS no competition, then we would all be in bad shape.  As it 
is, well, it doesn't bother me.  I don't expect to delete my Win98SE 
partition anytime soon.  I just don't see any reason to go any farther than 
that.  I saw a show on WinXP talking about all the problems (from Win98) that 
had been fixed, they ought to give it away as a bugfix.

But this is a Linux forum!  We should I suppose not even be discussing these 
things.  For that I apologize to the group and will keep silent on non-linux 
issues.

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 you must walk. -- ancient Egyptian blessing

   

Re: [newbie] Segmentation+misc. install errors ?

2001-12-28 Thread tester

lee wrote:

Hi Folks,

Well I'm back to my son's box still trying to get 8.1 installed. Here is the 
gist of the guts :-)


It's an FIC motherboard (va-503+) w/192 mg. of ram. Now the memory consists 
of  2 sticks,1 is a 128 mg of crucial ram that is cl2. The other is a stick I 
bought from Tiger Direct. I've also got an ATI RAge 128 Pro (AGP card). In 
addition there is a Teac cdr along with another cdrom. The hd is a WD unit. 
Oh..and the bios is by award..version je-439 (if this helps). There is also a 
nic card that needs to go in,whch isn't in there at the moment. All of this 
is in an AT type case...

The errors are seg faults..seems like memory is missing..lots of sig 
11's,,hmm  a few other wordings but it sounds like the themes are the same 
across all of them.

I've tried a # of different settings..video shadowing off/on,turned the 
caches off/on,the pci burst settings and a variety of other things that don't 
seem to come to mind at the moment. Re-set the ram to cl3 ( took out what I 
percieved as the cheaper ram (the tiger) and used just the crucial)pnp 
off/on..irq manual/auto. Darn near all of 'em I think..lol. Bios 
defaults..set-up defaults...gee have I missed any..lol. I'm sure I have but 
you get the point :-)

I even tried taking the drive to another box,loaded 8.1 (gaming edition) and 
put it back in the machine (it didn't like my trickery) to no avail.


Look--there is no doubt what it is at all.  If you suspect memory make a 
floppy from

/images/memtest-x86.bin

on the first CD and boot from it.

But I can reproduce your errors with a WD 64AA rifght here...  seems 
like memory missing...

And with a maxtor, I am fine

I am also able to get better performance with

linux ide0=noautotune

and a 40 pin cable instead of 80.  Install will complete on the WD one 
time in three.  Afterwards I see the odd {DriveReady SeekComplete} error 
from the WD on boot but it runs flakily after a fashion.

WD drives were never properly set up in terms of hardware to do ATA/66 
or higher.  They don't have the hardware to do the required 57-byte CRC 
in the standard, yet chipset manufacturers have let them get away with 
that crap for years.  WD has told us at shows repeatedly that they 
support only windows (with all their drives) and Solaris (with their 
SCSI line).

It is really time for people who hope to run linux to seriously consider 
a permanent switch of hdd brands.

Civileme



As I'm not sure which direction to go next I thought I'd post my problem 
here. The boy had 98se on there before and I REALLY REALLY  don't wanna admit 
defeat and re-install that !! Win4Lin,sure..but straight 98..NO !! Now..I'm 
thinking maybe pull out the cdr (set as sec. master and where I'm installing 
from) and try again ? I have a PCI video card I can try ?

Anyway..if anyone has managed to get past issues such as this I'd really love 
to know how it was done,or be pointed to the correct docs to work it out on 
my own. I spent 12+ hours trying to deal w/this the day before y'day before I 
come crying to the list..lol.

Thank you all once again..so very much for your time :-)

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[newbie] Is This (browser type/function) Available in Linux?

2001-12-28 Thread Wes Gregg

Hi,

I just remembered that I saw a program once that allowed you to type a 
website address (ie, http://gnttype.org for instance) and tell it how many 
levels deep you wanted it to go and it would start downloading complete 
pages to your hard drive for offline browsing.  It would allow the option of 
specifing what type of files to get (html, graphics  sound, etc.) or not as 
the case would be and if you wanted links followed how deep to go in them as 
well.

Since I'm stuck with my 33.6 right now I can usually keep up browsing, but 
I've just discovered that with the multiple desktop option I can have a web 
browser on one, a set of audio apps in another, my email in a third, a card 
game in #4, etc.  And I thought that would be a good program to take 
advantage of this feature.  Plus (since I have a slow [I know, it's all 
realitive - we were so amazed when we figured out how to overdrive our 300 
bps/baud modems to 450!] connection) it would be great to pick a site to 
download while I'm sleeping/away from home.

Thanks much,
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[newbie] Which Kernel?

2001-12-28 Thread tester


Someone writes in another subject's post...


I hope you get it all worked out before you get tired of trying.  Another 
question:  My box (Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack) says I have kernels 2.4.8 
and 2.2.19.  But when I installed (over and over) I never saw a place for 
choosing kernels.  It seems I have 2.4.8.26 installed automatically?


Well, you use expert mode and individual package selection and find trhe 
little symbol at the bottom of the screen that looks like recycling but 
with two blue arrows to toggle from the mostly useless tree view to the 
flat view and then scroll down to the k's and pick kernel22 to be installed.

Then when bootloader time rolls around, you can make the kernel22 boot 
the default or even delete the kernel 2.4 boots if you like.

If you have a box that just doesn't like kernel 2.4 to begin with boot 
from the _second_ CD and you can use kernel22 as your install kernel as 
well.

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Re: [newbie] Change Time

2001-12-28 Thread Michel Clasquin

On Friday 28 December 2001 11:01, you wrote:
 If you are connected to the internet all the time you can add a cron for
 rdate -

I'm not always connected, so I wrote this little script:

#!/bin/sh
#
# Name: settime.sh
# This script syncs the Linux time to that on a public  
# NTP server (Atomic Clock just sounds better!) and 
# then equalises software and hardware clocks.
#
#dependencies: rdate, Xdialog
# 
# su to root first - rdate and hwclock need to run as root
# from a menu structure, call this script like this: kdesu settime.sh
#
u=`whoami`
r=root
if [ $u != $r ]
then
a=You are logged on as $u
a=$a. You must be root to run settime.sh
echo $a | Xdialog --no-cancel --textbox - 0 0 
exit 0
fi
 
Xdialog --screen-center --left --no-buttons --infobox Preparing to sync 
time/date\nto atomic clock server. 0 0 5000 

/usr/bin/rdate -s clock-1.cs.cmu.edu
sleep 1
/sbin/hwclock --systohc

Xdialog --screen-center --left --no-buttons --infobox Time/date synced to 
atomic clock\nThis dialog will self-destruct\nin 5 seconds .. 4 .. 3 .. 2 
.. 1 0 0 6000 



NB: It doesn't do any error-checking besides looking for root status.  If 
rdate couldn't connect to the ntp server, the script will cheerfully 
report success. Maybe in a later version ...
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Re: [newbie] Which Kernel?

2001-12-28 Thread Nelson Bartley

Civilme, this brings me to a new question,

Does the DraX installer use a 2.4 kernel to perform the install?


if so, what revision is it?

NB

On Fri, 2001-12-28 at 13:14, tester wrote:
 
 Someone writes in another subject's post...
 
 
   I hope you get it all worked out before you get tired of trying.  Another 
 question:  My box (Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack) says I have kernels 2.4.8 
 and 2.2.19.  But when I installed (over and over) I never saw a place for 
 choosing kernels.  It seems I have 2.4.8.26 installed automatically?
 
 
 Well, you use expert mode and individual package selection and find trhe 
 little symbol at the bottom of the screen that looks like recycling but 
 with two blue arrows to toggle from the mostly useless tree view to the 
 flat view and then scroll down to the k's and pick kernel22 to be installed.
 
 Then when bootloader time rolls around, you can make the kernel22 boot 
 the default or even delete the kernel 2.4 boots if you like.
 
 If you have a box that just doesn't like kernel 2.4 to begin with boot 
 from the _second_ CD and you can use kernel22 as your install kernel as 
 well.
 
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Re: [newbie] kernel update

2001-12-28 Thread tester

Eric wrote:

 I did a kernel header, doc, and kernel update with mandrake on my 8.0 
 system.  Everything installed just fine but I can no longer use ppp to 
 get on the internet.  I tried modprobe -v ppp and it can't seem to 
 find it.

  

 I am out of ideas.

  

 Crapola I shouldn't have updated through security updates.

  

 Eric

You didn't read the security advisory which would have told you that you 
_cannot_ update a kernel.  You must download it and _install_ it. 
 Updating produces a new kernel with the older modules, initrd.img, and 
System.map and it is a miracle if it even boots.  

Civileme

Everything but kernels will update OK through the security updates.  We 
have tried to make sure that Software manager in 8.1 will only install 
kernels, but we have discovered it can be fooled in multiple updates at 
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Re: [newbie] Change Time

2001-12-28 Thread Ed Kasky

But does it work??? ;-)

I forgot to mention before to look at 
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/servers.htm for an explanation of how 
the time server strata works and for any special requirements when using 
any of the public time servers.

Ed

At 03:21 PM Friday, 12/28/2001, you wrote -=
On Friday 28 December 2001 11:01, you wrote:
  If you are connected to the internet all the time you can add a cron for
  rdate -

I'm not always connected, so I wrote this little script:

#!/bin/sh
#
# Name: settime.sh
# This script syncs the Linux time to that on a public
# NTP server (Atomic Clock just sounds better!) and
# then equalises software and hardware clocks.
#
#dependencies: rdate, Xdialog
#
# su to root first - rdate and hwclock need to run as root
# from a menu structure, call this script like this: kdesu settime.sh
#
u=`whoami`
r=root
if [ $u != $r ]
then
 a=You are logged on as $u
 a=$a. You must be root to run settime.sh
 echo $a | Xdialog --no-cancel --textbox - 0 0 
 exit 0
fi

Xdialog --screen-center --left --no-buttons --infobox Preparing to sync
time/date\nto atomic clock server. 0 0 5000 

/usr/bin/rdate -s clock-1.cs.cmu.edu
sleep 1
/sbin/hwclock --systohc

Xdialog --screen-center --left --no-buttons --infobox Time/date synced to
atomic clock\nThis dialog will self-destruct\nin 5 seconds .. 4 .. 3 .. 2
.. 1 0 0 6000 



NB: It doesn't do any error-checking besides looking for root status.  If
rdate couldn't connect to the ntp server, the script will cheerfully
report success. Maybe in a later version ...

Ed Kasky
Los Angeles, CA
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Re: [newbie] kernel update

2001-12-28 Thread Eric

That's what I get for not rtfm!  So do I have to reinstall the os?  If I
reinstall, I do have the 8.1 waiting in the background but just want to do
an upgrade, not reformat everything.

So I guess there is nothing I can do?

Thanks for responding civileme.
eric
- Original Message -
From: tester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update


 Eric wrote:

  I did a kernel header, doc, and kernel update with mandrake on my 8.0
  system.  Everything installed just fine but I can no longer use ppp to
  get on the internet.  I tried modprobe -v ppp and it can't seem to
  find it.
 
 
 
  I am out of ideas.
 
 
 
  Crapola I shouldn't have updated through security updates.
 
 
 
  Eric
 
 You didn't read the security advisory which would have told you that you
 _cannot_ update a kernel.  You must download it and _install_ it.
  Updating produces a new kernel with the older modules, initrd.img, and
 System.map and it is a miracle if it even boots.

 Civileme

 Everything but kernels will update OK through the security updates.  We
 have tried to make sure that Software manager in 8.1 will only install
 kernels, but we have discovered it can be fooled in multiple updates at
 once.











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Re: [newbie] AOL Help!-Hardisk!

2001-12-28 Thread tester

AOL Systems wrote:

How to mount and unmount second hardisk on my linux box





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Well it should be in your /etc/fstab for convenience sake, but you can 
as root

mount /pattitionname  /mountpoint
umount /partitionname or
umount /mountpoint

partitionname would be like /dev/hdc5 and mountpoint is just a directory 
name like
/2nddisk/files or /mnt/2nddisk.  You do need to create the directory 
before using it as a mount point with

mkdir /mnt/2nddisk

Of course you can do this automagically with diskdrake--yes the very 
same tool as is used in installing.

just open Mandrake Control Center, then Hardware then MountPoints, and 
you will be there with diskdrake.  assign mount points to the second 
drive partitions as you choose, then mount them, and answer yes to 
updating /etc/fstab with changes as you leave diskdrake.

Now you can mount and unmount with

mount /mountpointname
umount /mountpointname

in a terminal as root at any time no programs are using the 2nd disk 
(yeh, if it is open in a file manager, it won't unmount).

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Re: Re: [newbie] clock on dual boot system

2001-12-28 Thread Jim Dawson

Or Linux was configured to 'Hardware clock set to GMT'.

-Original Message-
From: Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 23:27:38 +
Subject: Re: [newbie] clock on dual boot system

Well at a guess I'd say you had different time zones configured in the two
systems.

derek


On Thursday 27 December 2001 21:08, you wrote:
 okay, i know this is a trivial issue but it's driving
 me nuts ...

 i've created a dual boot (windows ME and linux) in
 which the clock is 6 hours different between the two
 ... if i correct the clock in one operating system,
 when i reboot, it's wrong in the other ...

 what am i doing wrong here, gang ?

 thanks,

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Re: [newbie] Which Kernel?

2001-12-28 Thread tester

Nelson Bartley wrote:

Civilme, this brings me to a new question,

Does the DraX installer use a 2.4 kernel to perform the install?


if so, what revision is it?

NB

On Fri, 2001-12-28 at 13:14, tester wrote:

Someone writes in another subject's post...


  I hope you get it all worked out before you get tired of trying.  Another 
question:  My box (Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack) says I have kernels 2.4.8 
and 2.2.19.  But when I installed (over and over) I never saw a place for 
choosing kernels.  It seems I have 2.4.8.26 installed automatically?


Well, you use expert mode and individual package selection and find trhe 
little symbol at the bottom of the screen that looks like recycling but 
with two blue arrows to toggle from the mostly useless tree view to the 
flat view and then scroll down to the k's and pick kernel22 to be installed.

Then when bootloader time rolls around, you can make the kernel22 boot 
the default or even delete the kernel 2.4 boots if you like.

If you have a box that just doesn't like kernel 2.4 to begin with boot 
from the _second_ CD and you can use kernel22 as your install kernel as 
well.

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We issue the software with one version of the kernel to run and the same 
version to install (but in a special configuration with the drivers 
likely to be needed)  For example, you probably won't be installing from 
CDs attached to a sound card with a 34 or 40 pin cable proprietary 
interface any more, so we removed those drivers to make space fo r the 
things you most often use.  Remember the install kernel and its modules 
_must_ fit a 1.44 floppy, and run framebuffer or VGA-style X

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Re: [newbie] kernel update

2001-12-28 Thread tester

Eric wrote:

That's what I get for not rtfm!  So do I have to reinstall the os?  If I
reinstall, I do have the 8.1 waiting in the background but just want to do
an upgrade, not reformat everything.

So I guess there is nothing I can do?

Thanks for responding civileme.
eric
- Original Message -
From: tester [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] kernel update


Eric wrote:

I did a kernel header, doc, and kernel update with mandrake on my 8.0
system.  Everything installed just fine but I can no longer use ppp to
get on the internet.  I tried modprobe -v ppp and it can't seem to
find it.



I am out of ideas.



Crapola I shouldn't have updated through security updates.



Eric

You didn't read the security advisory which would have told you that you
_cannot_ update a kernel.  You must download it and _install_ it.
 Updating produces a new kernel with the older modules, initrd.img, and
System.map and it is a miracle if it even boots.

Civileme

Everything but kernels will update OK through the security updates.  We
have tried to make sure that Software manager in 8.1 will only install
kernels, but we have discovered it can be fooled in multiple updates at

Hmmm, no you are not that messed...


Find your 8.0 install disk

boot and open an xterm and su to root and

rpm -e kernel-(version number instsalled)

then reboot with your install CD in the machine

Select expert mode and Update

It will fuss and cluck figuring out all it has to do is install the kernel

At individual package selection, toggle to the flat list and check that 
the kernel will be installed.

Let it run its course--you can skip the networking section because it si 
already set up, and you can try to fine-tune X if you like...

Let the bootloader be your friend

Your system should then be restored.

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Re: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Jody Harvey

Borrow someones Windows box, setup your Hotmail account so you can send
and recieve the email via POP3. Doesn't 'fix' the problem, but you get
your mail.



On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, skidley wrote:

 On Thu, 27 Dec 2001, Michel Clasquin wrote:
 
  On Thursday 27 December 2001 10:53, chris swain wrote:
   I am trying to set up a hotmail account but neither konqueror or
   netscape will allow me to enter the hotmail site in order to check my
   mail. (they let me set up an account just fine) Is this just a MS anti
   linux thing
 
  Probably. Most linux browsers will let you spoof (pretend to be running
  MSIE) somewhere in their setups. Opera lets you do it on the fly, try that.
 
 I've heard of this spoofing before but I searched mozilla 0.9.6 settings
 and I couldn't seem to find where I could do such a thing. Anyone know?
 
 
 

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Re: [newbie] trouble installing rlt8139 netcard driver...

2001-12-28 Thread mooseman

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Many Thanks Dennis!
got 'er beat.
that insmod was exactly the missing link for me.

do i need to add it to any of my rc.local files so that it will reload on 
next reboot?

moose.

On Thursday 27 December 2001 17:16, you wrote:
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  hi all,
  i got a smc1244 10/100 netcard and it came with the rlt8139 driver, but i
  am having no success installing the driver.
 
  when i attempt to compile as per the instructions that came with the
  card, errors are thrown regarding a driver should never attempt to use
  kernel-headers, system headers.
 
  when i run linuxconf and try to select my card, the driver shows up but
  almost all the other cards show (inst) before the name. which i assume
  means driver installed or at least available.
 
  i had a look at the source of the driver in comparison to another driver
  and they look pretty much the same in the includes etc.
 
  so, i don't know how to proceed. from other postings, it seems that this
  should be a pretty easy card to install. i must be missing something.
 
  ideas?
 
  moose.

 if you have LM 8.1 (not sure about earlier versions) go to a console and
 type in  insmod 8139too and see if it finds the driver already installed
 by the OS.  If it does it will tell you already installed or it will
 install it, then type  ifup eth0 and you should have a functioning
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[newbie] Booting From Floppy

2001-12-28 Thread Rick

Yesterday, I installed 8.1 on my PC. It is installed on the second hard
drive (/dev/hdb). When I installed it, I chose to use the EXT3 journaling
filesystem. I would like to use a boot floppy to boot into Linux. So,
during the installation, I created a bootdisk. However, now, when I try
to boot with it, it comes up with a kernel panic message and says I
should use the init= parameter.

I am getting the impression that it may have something to do with the
file system I have chosen. Does anyone know if that is the case? If so,
what can I do about it? Do I need to repartition everything as EXT2 in
order to use a boot floppy?

Thanks in advance,
Rick
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[newbie] how can I connect Linux-Mandrake 8.1 to a Windows/Netware LAN?

2001-12-28 Thread Matthew James








Hinew to Linux (and UNIX) so please forgive
ignorance.

I have configured the network parameters on Netconf, and
when I try to open the local network tree I get an error could not
connect to host localhost. I read this:



You need to set up the lisa / reslisa daemon in order to be able to browse the network. on some linux distros (e.g. suse 7.2) you can use the system configuration tools to start lisa automatically, otherwise setup the reslisa daemon in kcontrol.Konqueror connects to that daemon (on localhost) to browse the local network.After starting reslisa you should be able to browse the network using the url rlan:/So I autoconfigured the lisa and reslisa daemons as root, rebooted, but still the same error.Any help please? Are there other steps I need to take? Thanks, 



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Re: [newbie] Re: [nVidia on Mandrake]

2001-12-28 Thread skinky

On Saturday 29 December 2001 02:23, Wes Gregg wrote:
|   I have read several references that stated we need to only use a
| (BEEFY) AMD-approved power supply.  Especially with the faster/newer
| AMDs and video cards as they draw lots of wattage.  Also with more ram,
| bigger/faster spinning drives, extra pci cards.  

I've learned so much more about hardware since I started using linux! 
(about 6 months).  Trouble is, I bought most of my current hardware when I 
was still using windoze.  I'm not sure what the power supply is (too lazy 
to pull the covers off) - I just asked for a good/suitable 350W (IRC) 
power supply.  Jeez, I thought I bought decent hardware at the time but it 
seems that almost my entire system is crap.

mobo: Soltek SL-75KAV w KT133A Northbridge and 686B Southbridge chipset - 
thankfully Mandrake have provided workarounds.
cpu:  AMD 1GHz - known AMD probs
monitor:  Philips 107S - driver probs.
hd:  IBM Deskstar DTLA 307060 60GB - known problems (something about not 
lasting all that long from someone in NZLUG).
hd:  Quantum Bigfoot CY6480A 6.4GB - no probs
cdrw:  HP 9310i which supposedly die after x # of burns.
graphics:  nVidia geforce GTS2 Pro 64MB - driver probs for 3D accel but 
thats a closed source prob.
sound:  Creative SB Live! 5.1 - centre speaker doesn't work (not even 
properly in windoze!)
printer:  HP Deskjet 670C - printing looks pretty crappy - not crisp.
floppy:  old?  - no probs
cdrom:  Matsushita - no probs
modem:  Swann Speed Demon 56K external serial - no probs

Sounds like I'm bleating - but I'm not, I think linux is awesome.  And I 
think Mandrake are doing a fine job!  When I get another pc, I will choose 
the components VERY carefully but I guess its the same old story, if the 
manufacturers don't co-operate with open source then linux developers 
still do the best they can.  I think they're amazing with what has been 
achieved so far.

| I don't _seem_ to have
| any ps-related problems, but I only have a cheap 16meg TNT agp card and
| one pci card (cheap sound) and one isa card (my usr sportster 33.6 voice
| modem since my 56k pci modem uses Conexant's HCF drivers.  They say on
| their website they will have Linux drivers for it by the end of the year
| but looks at calendar and shakes head...).

Yeah, I had a 56K pci Conexant modem which I yanked out and replaced with 
an external serial modem.  Can't even give the Conexant modem away (to 
windoze users) as it only works on cpus = 500MHz and everyone I know have 
approx 200MHz cpus.

|   I assume you've been through the nVidia drivers with a fine-toothed
| card.  I also assume if it is an Abit mobo you have tried turning off
| AGP to see if that takes care of it.  Read a reference that some of
| their older mobos wouldn't work properly with AGP - that they discovered
| this while developing their own nVidia-based video cards.  Apparently it
| has something to do with power, as they say there are a handful of power
| supplies that overcome this problem (somehow).

I tried turning off AGP in bios.  I tried turning video shadowing and 
caching on/off in bios also, to no avail.  I updated the bios a few months 
back.

|   Hey.  I think I read something about this situation on (possibly)
| nVidia's linux forum.  Could have been Mandrake User forum.  It might
| have something to do with that depmod a command, but I don't think so
| (my memory is faultier than my computer's).

I tried the depmod -a command and rebooting each time after installing the 
nvidia drivers : (

|   I bought my monitor in 1994 - all I can use are the generic drivers. 
| Which brings to mind something I've been wondering about since my first
| install at the first of the month:
|
|   Does anyone know the difference between Generic SVGA and Generic
| Extended SVGA or whatever it is in the Generic Monitor section?

Sorry, can't help you there.  I wouldn't have a clue but now you've got me 
curious so I'll try to find out what I can.

|   I hope you get it all worked out before you get tired of trying. 
| Another question:  My box (Mandrake Linux 8.1 Powerpack) says I have
| kernels 2.4.8 and 2.2.19.  But when I installed (over and over) I never
| saw a place for choosing kernels.  It seems I have 2.4.8.26 installed
| automatically?

During installation the enterprise kernel was automatically installed for 
me (2.4.8-26mdkenterprise) - obviously because of the amount of ram.  But 
you can download another kernel and install it alongside your current 
kernel (rpm -ivh kernel 2.4.x-xxmdk.i586.rpm) until you are happy that 
everything is OK then remove your old kernel.  It really isn't difficult 
at all but there are a few other things to do other than just installing 
the new kernel.  If you need more info on this just post to the list or 
email me directly.  Actually there was a lot of discussion and very 
helpful information (from Tom Brinkman and others) a little while back so 
its in the mailing list archives as 

Re: [newbie] Windows won't start - any suggestions?

2001-12-28 Thread J. v. Maasdam

Hi Doug,

Don't know much about Linux, as I just installed ML8.1 myself one week
ago. Trying to find help on driver install in this corner.
With my system all install went well. You might look in your windows
2000 partition for the file BOOT.INI. This should be something like:

[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINNT=Microsoft Windows 2000
Professional /fastdetect

The last number (3) is the bootpartition number for w2000.
Try any number between 0 and the maximum partitions on your drive.
The file is attributes h,s,r so under dos first revert those attribs to
be able to see the file. (attrib -s -r -h and after edit attrib +h +r
+s).
Maybe linux has made your first partition a other number. So W2000 sees
its partition on an other number also.

Maybe this will help you a bit further.

Jan van Maasdam.

Doug Lerner schreef:
 
 Hi,
 
 No - I didn't do anything special. I started out with two partitions on
 my hard drive. The first one contained Windows 98 and the second
 contained Windows 2000. I decided to keep the Win 2000 partition so I
 clicked on the first partition, deleted it and then pressed auto-
 allocate. When I did that the Mandrake installer allocated Linux
 partitions to the area left by the first partition.




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[newbie] Thanks civileme!

2001-12-28 Thread Eric McClure

Thank you,  I just did an upgrade to 8.1 and your trick with 8.0 worked fine 
getting the kernel back.

I just want to say that you are the cat's meow for saving my information.  

Tell the boss you need a raise!!!

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Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Onur Kucuk


Friday, December 28, 2001, 9:46:51 AM, you wrote:

JH Borrow someones Windows box, setup your Hotmail account so you can send
JH and recieve the email via POP3. Doesn't 'fix' the problem, but you get
JH your mail.


Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc If
so what is the POP3 adress ? ...

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Re: [newbie] Bandwidth Management - MAC Layer

2001-12-28 Thread Grant Fraser

I forwarded this to our local LUG. One of our members is from a local ISP 
that uses wireless technology. This was the feedback:

 hi,
 
 I remember the FreeBSD firewalling can govern bandwidth usage on an 
interface.


*** Yes it can...It's based on firewall rules in which you divert packets
to a pipe. It works well but currently it works with ip addresses and
not MAC. I'm hoping they'll add that feature soon :)



On Thursday 27 December 2001 03:30, you wrote:
 I didn't get an answer to my question when I posted to [expert], let me try
 [newbie].
 Is this off topic?...

 I want to build a Bandwidth Management box for my friends ISP. He tells me
 he is providing Wireless access and currently controls security by
 hardcoding the MAC address of each client (he owns the Wireless client
 hardware). He needs MAC Layer control over his clients.

 I have not done this before so this will be a learning experience for me.
 Can you do MAC Layer Bandwidth Management?

  Thanks

 -Allen


Content-Type: application/octet-stream; charset=iso-8859-1; 
name=message.footer
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Description: 



Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; name=message.footer
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Jody Harvey

OK Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc If
OK so what is the POP3 adress ? ...
OK 
Sure does. I forget what the POP3 is, but is on the site. I have never
really tried it in Kmail. So i will not make any promises. But I do know I
have alot of users on my network that do it through Outlook.

JoLinux

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Onur Kucuk wrote:

 
 Friday, December 28, 2001, 9:46:51 AM, you wrote:
 
 JH Borrow someones Windows box, setup your Hotmail account so you can send
 JH and recieve the email via POP3. Doesn't 'fix' the problem, but you get
 JH your mail.
 
 
 Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc If
 so what is the POP3 adress ? ...
 
  Onur Kucuk
 
 
 
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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:36:23 +0100 (CET)
Jody Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration:

 OK Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc
 If OK so what is the POP3 adress ? ...
 OK 
 Sure does. I forget what the POP3 is, but is on the site. I have never
 really tried it in Kmail. So i will not make any promises. But I do know
 I have alot of users on my network that do it through Outlook.
=
Can they also reply through smtp, via hotmail??
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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Jody Harvey

Ha haoh yeah.

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001, Michael Scottaline wrote:

 On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:36:23 +0100 (CET)
 Jody Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration:
 
  OK Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc
  If OK so what is the POP3 adress ? ...
  OK 
  Sure does. I forget what the POP3 is, but is on the site. I have never
  really tried it in Kmail. So i will not make any promises. But I do know
  I have alot of users on my network that do it through Outlook.
 =
 Can they also reply through smtp, via hotmail??
 Mike
 
 

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[newbie] Unable to read partition table

2001-12-28 Thread Dr. Antonio Botelho de Sousa



Thanks to all of you that answered my previous 
e-mail.
But really the question was not correctly 
formulated by me, so the answers are not what i expected.My fault.
Try to explain better.
First let me tell you about my 
machine:
I have two hard disks hda , hdb and the first has 
three partitions: hda1 (Windows XP OS initializing files) hda5(Linux native) and 
hda6(swap).
The hdb disk has the Windows XP system and is used 
as a store disk.
There's also a CDRW hdc and a magneto-optical drive 
attached toa SCSI adapter that is sda.
All this is correctly mounted in /etc/fstab and my 
/etc/lilo.conf has the append line to emulate the ATAPI CDRW as a SCSI 
one.
Now what happens.
When i switch the machine cames the LiLO screen. I 
choose to boot Linux.
Thenext screen is the Aurora Welcome screen 
with the kernel version (Mandrake 8.1) in the upper left corner of the 
monitor.
If everything goes right next we have a lot of 
messages scrolling the monitor showing the hard drives, the CDRW and the Optical 
drive.
Then Aurora goes to the graphical display and the 
system boots to his end, and that's all.
Now what happens to me?
When i reachthe welcome screen the system 
stops a little and instead of displaying the information about the drives it 
sends a message:
LDP: Unable to read partition table.
Then the booting goes on apparently without 
problems.
Butwhen i am in the OS if i try (as root) to 
type the command "cdrecord -scanbus", instead of displayng the CDRW and the 
Optical drive it says:
cdrecord file or directory not found; cannot open 
scsi driver.
And that's the problem. Question?
Whyit can't read the partition 
table?that´s the true problem; the other is a consequence of this 
error.
I use Mandrake since version 6.0 and i never had 
such a problem.
I think i have been a little more clear 
now.
Can anyone help me?
Thanks
Antonio.


[newbie] Some MDK 8.1 Problems

2001-12-28 Thread Amichai Rotman

Hello all,

I have been running Mandrake Linux since it's 7.2 release. I never had 
problems untill I upgraded to v8.1.

I am running the following:

An MSI 6163 Lite (VIA Chipset) M/B (with a Creative CT5880 Sound Card onboard)
533 MHz Intel Celleron CPU
128 MB RAM
1 15 GB Quantum HD, 1 20 GB Quantum HD
Creative Sound Blaster 128 PCI 
A CTX PR705F Monitor.

Win98SE and, of course, MDK 8.1.

I have migrated from M$ 6 months ago and was very happy with the move. 

My problems with 8.1 are as follow:

Some times the whole desktop (KDE) freezes, nothing helps but the reset 
bottun.

Afer every boot, I have to run sndconfig and restart the sound service for 
the KMix app to work under X. I have the Onboard CT5880 disabled.

I can hear the MPEG movies I play with plaympeg, but not see them...

The Konqueror Browser (both the KFM and the WEB parts) stop working after a 
few times of use, I have to exit X, su and delete DCOP random seeds and user 
files under /tmp.

All of these are really annoying. I am wondering, should I go back to v8.0 ?

Thanks,

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[newbie] Problems with MDK 8.1

2001-12-28 Thread Amichai Rotman

Hello all,

I have been running Mandrake Linux since it's 7.2 release. I never had 
problems untill I upgraded to v8.1.

I am running the following:

An MSI 6163 Lite (VIA Chipset) M/B (with a Creative CT5880 Sound Card onboard)
533 MHz Intel Celleron CPU
128 MB RAM
1 15 GB Quantum HD, 1 20 GB Quantum HD
Creative Sound Blaster 128 PCI 
A CTX PR705F Monitor.

Win98SE and, of course, MDK 8.1.

I have migrated from M$ 6 months ago and was very happy with the move. 

My problems with 8.1 are as follow:

Some times the whole desktop (KDE) freezes, nothing helps but the reset 
bottun.

Afer every boot, I have to run sndconfig and restart the sound service for 
the KMix app to work under X. I have the Onboard CT5880 disabled.

I can hear the MPEG movies I play with plaympeg, but not see them...

The Konqueror Browser (both the KFM and the WEB parts) stop working after a 
few times of use, I have to exit X, su and delete DCOP random seeds and user 
files under /tmp.

All of these are really annoying. I am wondering, should I go back to v8.0 ?

Thanks,
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[newbie] Mandrake 8.1

2001-12-28 Thread carcour

Hi,
It's the 4th time it's happening to me:when i boot under linux 
a message say:Linux BDME too big.Can anyone explain what to do to boot normaly.
The other times I reformated and reinstalled Mandrake 8.1.
Is there any other method
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Re: [newbie] Some MDK 8.1 Problems

2001-12-28 Thread tester

Amichai Rotman wrote:

Hello all,

I have been running Mandrake Linux since it's 7.2 release. I never had 
problems untill I upgraded to v8.1.

I am running the following:

An MSI 6163 Lite (VIA Chipset) M/B (with a Creative CT5880 Sound Card onboard)
533 MHz Intel Celleron CPU
128 MB RAM
1 15 GB Quantum HD, 1 20 GB Quantum HD
Creative Sound Blaster 128 PCI 
A CTX PR705F Monitor.

Win98SE and, of course, MDK 8.1.

I have migrated from M$ 6 months ago and was very happy with the move. 

My problems with 8.1 are as follow:

Some times the whole desktop (KDE) freezes, nothing helps but the reset 
bottun.


Could be a sound drivers lockup



Afer every boot, I have to run sndconfig and restart the sound service for 
the KMix app to work under X. I have the Onboard CT5880 disabled.


get into a terminal
su to root

# chkconfig --del alsa

Bet you have two sets of drivers loaded for the same sound card (OSS and 
ALSA).


I can hear the MPEG movies I play with plaympeg, but not see them...

The Konqueror Browser (both the KFM and the WEB parts) stop working after a 
few times of use, I have to exit X, su and delete DCOP random seeds and user 
files under /tmp.


Or forward to KDE 2.2.2--some of these are strictly kde bugs.


All of these are really annoying. I am wondering, should I go back to v8.0 ?

Thanks,

Amichai.


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[newbie] c compiler and its problem in 8.0

2001-12-28 Thread eric

Dear mandrake 8.0 standard user:

  I used simple c program hello world, in printf(hello world)
it did not print at all, 
until I add \n\n at the end of the line of hello world, then it print as
what it should be.
but that kind of result is not correct.  it never happen at redhat 7.1
or debian-progeny 1.0, they all can print even without \n\n at the end
of string.

  need help, and thanks inn advance, eric lin, 
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[newbie] Compiling a new kernel...

2001-12-28 Thread David Bovill

The instructions I have say download the 2 RPM's (source and header), but I
just need to add a custom kernel based on the existing configuration.  How
do I go about this, as the packages are already installed?

Thanks,

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Re: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Onur Kucuk



OK Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc If
OK so what is the POP3 adress ? ...
OK 
JH Sure does. I forget what the POP3 is, but is on the site.

Nothing about it on neither the help section or settings. There is
one, that makes hotmail check other pop sites like your isp's pop
account and adds to the hotmail one.

If I missed it, please show me.

JH I have never really tried it in Kmail. So i will not make any promises.

I had given kmail just as an example of non ms related mail clients
because I am looking for a normal/real pop server.

JH But I do know I have alot of users on my network that do it through Outlook.

That does not mean hotmail has a pop server. It is, I believe, nothing
more than another MS' style ignore all the other, and do our stuff
secretly, so no one can know what we do, or no one else can use it.

I tried on some guess for a pop server in the name, and found only
pop.hotmail.com to be existent. It used to be a normal pop server
actually, back in the old days, 3-4 years ago, when hotmail was
running non MS os. The machine, though, seems to be ignoring
everything. telnet to port 110 gave me nothing, also the nmap.

Up to here, nothing proves me hotmail has a pop server. Any other
ideas are welcome.

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Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites?

2001-12-28 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 17:29:02 +0900, Doug Lerner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I wasn't even going to respond to the hypothetical about the avaracious
 drug company withholding medication from poor people, but the logic of
 the answer bothered me so much I decided to.
 
 Even though my question was never answered by anybody (do the investors
 of time and money in drug research deserve to make a profit for their
 efforts?) I will answer yours.
 
 Your example seems to imply that anybody who puts forth effort and
 creates something that society finds useful and important then personally
 becomes liable financially to make sure that everybody who needs it gets it.
 
 I say to that - WHAT?!
 
 The answer to the problem of poor people not getting drugs from a drug
 company is not to steal the patent. It is for government and charities
 and properly run health care systems to acquire the medication and
 distribute it as needed.

As I mentioned earlier, the Brazilian Government made their decision only after
all other avenues had been explored. The health system of Brazil (or even for
the US for that matter) does not have enough funds to help everyone in the best
way possible. Negotiations were made with Roche in an effort to lower the
exhorbitant price of nelfinavir. These failed, leaving the government with
little alternative. The UN has praised the move, and the USA has withdrawn the
official objection they had lodged through the WTO. Other AIDS-striken nations,
like South Africa, are investigating similar methods.

 Again, that it what government, taxes and charities are FOR.

Capitalism and social welfare often don't work well together. Generally, here is
little or no profit for private corporations in social welfare, and governments
are reluctant to put more funds into this vital sphere for fear of alienating
the business comunity, who increasingly have the power to divert their
investment to other countries at the wink of an eye.

Governments, particularly those of lesser developed countries (LDCs) have
limited funds. LDCS often have huge debts to pay as well. They don't need the
added burden of paying double the real cost of some drug. They _could_ probably
get the money, but that would divert funds from other pressing tasks, and would
hamper the economy (which would make things even worse in the long run).

 Yes, you can hypothecate about some drug company blackmailing society
 over some needed drug. And, in fact, there are already laws allowing the
 government to license the patent to competing firms in that case. That
 almost happened in Canada recently over Cipro, but it turned out not to
 be necessary. But you are talking about the exception, not the rule.

I never said it was the rule. However, the few exceptions that _do_ exist
warrant some consideration due to their massive impacts. Would you rather that
people die?

The Canadian example you offer is interesting. There really isn't much
difference between this and what is happening in Brazil. I know little about
Cipro, but the difference here seems to be that nelfinavir is made and owned by
a completely foreign manufacturer. In that case, how can it be licensed to
competing firms?

 Extending the argument that it is somehow the responsibility of the dryg
 company to also supply it to everybody in need, regardless of financial
 impact, you could also say that anybody who produces anything that
 anybody needs somehow assumes an ethical responsibility to make sure they
 get it. 
 
 But there is a different between the producing side and the consuming
 side. Just because a person wants to be creative and inventive shouldn't
 put the person at financial risk by society.

I should first say that I am not arguing that you are wrong. The difference here
is simply that we are taking different approaches to the topic. I believe that
for a democracy to properly function, everyone and everything in it (including
corporations) should hold some responsibility for its functioning. Otherwise, we
see what is happening in nations like the USA or Australia (my country): rising
social inequality. In the long run, this can only be bad for a society.

My view is more like that espoused in Europe and Asia. Take Japan, for example.
To the Japanese, your views would be totally alien. In the past fifty years,
they have undergone more rapid economic transformation than any other nation,
while _maintaining_ social equality. They have done this by making everyone and
everything accountable for the welfare of the nation. In the same period, social
equality has markedly fallen in Anglo-American capitalist states. No nation has
ever moved from an 'underdeveloped' to a 'developed' state by using
Anglo-American economic principles (which you seem to embrace). Indeed, most
nations that have adopted such methods have gone backward.

While your views may be 'alien' to the Japanese (or to many other peoples), it
doesn't necessarily mean they are 'wrong', just 'different'.

 doug
 
 

[newbie] FINAL DESPERATE TEST

2001-12-28 Thread jal

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Re: [newbie] FINAL DESPERATE TEST

2001-12-28 Thread Michael Scottaline

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 21:28:53 -0500
jal [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled in frustration:

 If you're reading thismy kdenetwork upgrade was a success!
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[newbie] FINAL DESPERATE TEST

2001-12-28 Thread jal

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Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites?

2001-12-28 Thread Skippipix

ummm...  wow.
i would love to fire off on this topic, 
but i just don't have the time now.

however,
i would like to thank all of you.

why?

because we are having a awesome discussion
about a fascinating topic and everyone is
making really intelligent comments  observations
and this is what i love about this list.

i'm really learning  thinking as i read this.

thank you 
thank you
thank you.

adrian

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Re: [newbie] FINAL DESPERATE TEST

2001-12-28 Thread Dennis Myers

On Friday 28 December 2001 21:28, you wrote:
 If you're reading thismy kdenetwork upgrade was a success!
I think you got it!  
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Re: [newbie] trouble installing rlt8139 netcard driver...

2001-12-28 Thread Dennis Myers

On Friday 28 December 2001 20:33, you wrote:
 On Friday 28 December 2001 11:38, you wrote:
  X-RebelTech Is Here: http://www.rebeltech.ca
  MIME-Version: 1.0
  Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
  Many Thanks Dennis!
  got 'er beat.
  that insmod was exactly the missing link for me.
 
  do i need to add it to any of my rc.local files so that it will reload on
  next reboot?
 
  moose.

 snip

   if you have LM 8.1 (not sure about earlier versions) go to a console
   and type in  insmod 8139too and see if it finds the driver already
   installed by the OS.  If it does it will tell you already installed or
   it will install it, then type  ifup eth0 and you should have a
   functioning ethernet card. Previous without the quotes of course.  HTH

 Adding to my earlier reply,
 I found the spot.  Check out your  /etc/modules.conf file.  If it does
 not have alias eth0 8139too then just adit with your choice of editors
 and save it to the file. The next time you boot you should have no problem
 with eth0. Oh, also check in the Mandrake Control Centersystemservices
 and make sure network is checked to start on boot.  I think this will end
 all of the problems for you.  HTH
forgot to make this address to the list, just in case someone else is having 
the problem.
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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Damian G


nope, hotmail is not pop3, but M$ Outlook Express can fetch it anyway,
if you tell it to... that way it's easier than ever to get the latest 
viruses!! ;o)




Friday, December 28, 2001, 9:46:51 AM, you wrote:

JH Borrow someones Windows box, setup your Hotmail account so you can send
JH and recieve the email via POP3. Doesn't 'fix' the problem, but you get
JH your mail.


Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc If
so what is the POP3 adress ? ...

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Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites?

2001-12-28 Thread Doug Lerner

Well, I've been living here in Japan for the past 18 years now and I find
companies here more capitalistic and less regulated then in the U.S.
Everything you buy here is strictly let the buyer beware. There is no
such thing at all like money back guarantee like in stores in the U.S.
And things are pretty unregulated as far as business goes.

I remember some years ago I wanted to import modems into Japan so I
contacted JETRO, the Japan External Trade Organization, asking how do I
arrange for an import license. They said there was no such thing. If I
wanted to import, go ahead. 

In the U.S. you have to have business licenses to open up a small store
or business. No such thing here. I ran an Internet cafe here in Tokyo for
three years with no regulation hassles at all.

As far as maintaining social equality goes, tell that to women who have
traditionally been more discriminated against here. When I worked at
Fujitsu, women - even the programmers - were expected to come in 15
minutes before the men to tidy things up and start the coffee and tea
going. (Fujitsu, by the way, is a great company and one of the more
progressive in Japan, with a high percentage of female managers these days.)

While the salary discrepencies that exist in the U.S. are not as severe
in Japan (and maybe that is what you meant by maintaining social
equality), unemployment is at a high right now and the lifetime
employment system is falling by the wayside. In addition, the population
is aging quickly and the health insurance system is about bankrupt. Lots
of problems facing Japan right now.

I could go on forever...

doug




[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saturday, December 29, 2001):

My view is more like that espoused in Europe and Asia. Take Japan, for
example.
To the Japanese, your views would be totally alien. In the past fifty years,
they have undergone more rapid economic transformation than any other nation,
while _maintaining_ social equality. They have done this by making
everyone and
everything accountable for the welfare of the nation. In the same period,
social
equality has markedly fallen in Anglo-American capitalist states. No
nation has
ever moved from an 'underdeveloped' to a 'developed' state by using
Anglo-American economic principles (which you seem to embrace). Indeed, most
nations that have adopted such methods have gone backward.

While your views may be 'alien' to the Japanese (or to many other
peoples), it
doesn't necessarily mean they are 'wrong', just 'different'.




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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Sridhar Dhanapalan

On Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:36:23 +0100 (CET), Jody Harvey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: OK Does hotmail really support pop3 ? Accessible tru kmail etc
If OK so what is the POP3 adress ? ...
 OK 
 Sure does. I forget what the POP3 is, but is on the site. I have never
 really tried it in Kmail. So i will not make any promises. But I do know I
 have alot of users on my network that do it through Outlook.

I don't think that's POP, but rather a proprietary protocol that only
Lookout/Lookout Express can do.

-- 
Sridhar Dhanapalan

   If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
...Oh, wait a minute, he already does.



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Re: Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail

2001-12-28 Thread Marten Boonstra

- Original Message -
From: Damian G [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [newbie] hotmail



 nope, hotmail is not pop3, but M$ Outlook Express can fetch it anyway,
 if you tell it to... that way it's easier than ever to get the latest
 viruses!! ;o)

The Hotmail setting on my windoze says it is een HTTP server with the
following address: http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp

Haven't tried it with Kmail yet.

Good luck,

Marten




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Re: [newbie] Recommended office suites?

2001-12-28 Thread Doug Lerner


Amazing how things can digress! Soon we'll throw in religion and whale
hunting. :-)

doug

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Saturday, December 29, 2001):

 I could go on forever...

You could, but we're not talking about office suites anymore :)





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[newbie] How long to wait???

2001-12-28 Thread Andrew

Hi All,

I have been having a long wait to do anything in Mandrake 8.0 
w/KDE on 32m RAM. A few hours ago I put in *128M* and it only reads 
65m or so, it is much faster. Maybe it would be faster still if 
*128m* was reading? How do I use the GUI to set the ram? If no GUI, 
can I get to lilo while the server is running, or do I need to shut 
it down and restart?

Question two...  I am running rpminst after selecting update 
to most of the packages on the update list. It has been going for 
hours maybe the progress bar is moving, maybe not. I am reluctant to 
shutdown. I have an almost fast, cable connection that is working ok 
for web pages on another machine at the same time. How long should I 
wait and/or how do I tell/determine if rpminst is stalled and 
unrecoverable. The graffic box in Software Manager is going back and 
fort nicely, back and forth, back and forth, to and fro.(-: (-;  :-)

Pentium 150
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Have an extra nice Day!,
Andrew



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Re: [newbie] How long to wait???

2001-12-28 Thread skinky

On Saturday 29 December 2001 20:03, Andrew wrote:
|  Hi All,
|
|   I have been having a long wait to do anything in Mandrake 8.0
|  w/KDE on 32m RAM. A few hours ago I put in *128M* and it only reads
|  65m or so, it is much faster. Maybe it would be faster still if
|  *128m* was reading? How do I use the GUI to set the ram? If no GUI,
|  can I get to lilo while the server is running, or do I need to shut
|  it down and restart?

Have you tried typing free in a terminal (without the quotes)?
Not sure if this is the right way to do it, but you can set the amount of 
ram in Mandrake Control Center  Boot  Boot Config  Advanced.

|   Question two...  I am running rpminst after selecting update
|  to most of the packages on the update list. It has been going for
|  hours maybe the progress bar is moving, maybe not. I am reluctant to
|  shutdown. I have an almost fast, cable connection that is working ok
|  for web pages on another machine at the same time. How long should I
|  wait and/or how do I tell/determine if rpminst is stalled and
|  unrecoverable. The graffic box in Software Manager is going back and
|  fort nicely, back and forth, back and forth, to and fro.(-: (-;  :-)

hynotising?  ; )   u... well last time I tried that it took approx 3-4 
hours (IIRC) but then I can only connect at 19200 bps...

skinky
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But what ... is it good for?
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commenting on the microchip)



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