Re: [newbie] Mandrake10 Community
Thanks Charlie, John and Carroll for your replies. I was off the list for some time and lost track of what was happening to Community. Am now much clearer about the situation. Cheers Keith Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] high pitched whine coming from new Maxtor!
Angus Auld wrote: I seem to be getting a very annoying, and scary, high pitched whining sound occasionally from my 3 week old Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm drive. Should I back everything up now?! :-/ My drive mounts in a vertical position. Could that cause a problem? I could find no warnings against vertical mounting in the docs that came with it. The noise comes and goes, and just started doing so the past day or so. It has been working very well otherwise. I just found my purchase receipt.I may well need it. Anyone able to give me a prognosis? ;-) Regards. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness. -- James Thurber *** ~Linux Powered by Mandrake 10.0~ *** ~Reg. Linux User #278931~ *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com It could be the way it is mounted try mounting it normaly. Also the accustics may be set to off this increases the drives performance but makes it louder. Maxtor drives I have found are verry reliable. My maxtor makes the occasonal ticking sound during high load mine is 3-4 years old. Have a look around on the net for SMART utills. Windows if you have that installed use hard drive health from www.panterasoft.com and that should give you more than enough info. Also maxtor has a boot CD to fix the disk etc. (also good to fix the drive after something corupts your partitions.) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 04:43, John Wilson wrote: Of course you could be missing the point that Microsoft keeps making that Linux itself is a virus. :-) And so it is! I've been infected! Aaargh! ;) Germn. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] backup/restore/repartitioning
Frank wrote: Though the CD part may not apply to you, you may wish to start with what is offered here to make a tar ball of your full system which ought to fit within the space you have left on your windows system: http://linuxorbit.com/modules.php?op=modloadname=Sectionsfile=indexreq=viewarticleartid=222page=1 Backing up to CDs Made Simple: Version 1.1 total words in this text) (14888 Reads)by LinuxOrbit.com: January 15. 2002 by David LeCount Should get you stared at least. Enjoy. Regards Frank Thanks. I have the tar commands from that how-to, so I'll go for the backup. If that goes well, I'll try to repartition the drive from the Mandrake install CD.. and try to get to a prompt from the CD (I managed to another time somehow :-), hope that I can access the windows partition, and try to untar my backup, and run lilo. Does my idea of what I need to do sound on-track? In any case, I can still access the list from Windows if I am having trouble. Thanks, Asa Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] high pitched whine coming from new Maxtor!
Anthony Cull wrote: . Maxtor drives I have found are verry reliable. My maxtor makes the occasonal ticking sound during high load mine is 3-4 years old. Reliable? Up to a point Lord Copper. I've had two of them croak on me - one after 6 months (which I got replaced under guarantee) and the other after about 3 years. In my experience a ticking sound is an indication that the final appeal has failed and it is not long for this world. You'd better make regular backups while you still can. -- Graham Watkins Don't be lucid and ironic; people will turn this against you to show that you aren't a nice person. - Albert Camus Registered Linux user number 265254 http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Friday 23 Jul 2004 20:02, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Fri, 2004-07-23 at 18:25, SME Server Admin wrote: Hiya I now use Kontact on Mandrake 10 for all email. At the moment I have a simple spam filter that I put in but I'm looking for something I can use that will handle it for me, one that can learn if that's possible? TIA Elwyn If you're really wanting to filter spam, why aren't you using your local postfix setup with procmail? stephen kuhn - proprietor Um, er, um, I dunno... What do those things do? Kontact does very well what I need for it now I have found SA. I don't want to make things tooo complicted Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Monday 26 Jul 2004 05:22, Rob Blomquist wrote: FN? FP? auto-learn 0? local.cf? I have no idea what these are. If you help me decode this, maybe I can figure out what you are asking. Rob Ahh, a man with more understanding of these things than I ;) At the moment I'm building up a collection of spammissed and then will do the next set of instructions :) Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Expiring Email in Kontact
Hiya Right, I've had a look in the help files, but help on Kontact is missing, there is no entry for Expire and I've looked on google without fruition! Could some kind soul explain what Expire Email is please? Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] backup/restore/repartitioning
Frank wrote: H OK! Your choice of using Mandrake to do the actually partitioning and formating is your only choice if you wish to have your Windows partition survive the exercise un-disturbed. Your only other such option is to use something like Partition Magic. AS ALWAYS! You must backup things first! I've forgotten the content of the orginal post so forgive me for assuming you have only one harddrive. I have two harddrives, so thankfully, I won't have to touch the partition table on the Windows drive, where my Linux backup will be. My warning here is that you must study and read carefully, all things within the partitioning exercise when you get to that part of the Mandrake Installation. I actually tried different ideas to see how things would look 'on paper' when within the partition part, because you can simply back up one and do it again and again before commiting to what you believe is correct. Aim for a good partition mix that would suit your needs but basically do not exceed 3 x primary partitions and 1 x extended partition broken up further into 4 actually partitions, for each harddisk, for now. Do a search for linux partitioning and you'll get a clearer idea of what is available for you, and a clearer idea of sizing partitions. For example: [EMAIL PROTECTED] frank]$ df FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 966M 121M 796M 14% / /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 966M 11M 906M 2% /boot /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8 9.4G 4.2G 5.3G 45% /home /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 12G 6.1G 4.7G 57% /mnt/empty /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2 16M 2.3M 13M 16% /mnt/hdb2_boot /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part5 92M 55M 33M 63% /mnt/hdb5_root /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part6 92M 62M 25M 72% /mnt/hdb6_var /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part7 3.1G 1.9G 1.1G 64% /mnt/hdb7_usr /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part9 1.5G 1.4G 109M 93% /mnt/hdb9_home /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1 14G 12G 2.5G 83% /mnt/win_c2 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part4 3.4G 2.4G 1016M 71% /mnt/win_h /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 9.4G 3.6G 5.4G 40% /usr /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9 1020M 141M 827M 15% /var To bring this back to something you may have gotten used to read the above table as: Target0 = hda [harddrive A - Master] Target1 = hdb [harddrive B - Slave where Windows belongs?!?] part/n/ = the relavant partion number eg: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part9 is my _*hdb9*_ partition on my slave harddrive and contains a previous installation home directory ( mandrake9.1 in this case.) The one main partition missing here and is extra to the others, is the swap partition - needed for linux. So don't rush here, PLAN PLAN PLAN. It is important. Get this right and the rest will follow. As an exercise, read my table above and tell me where it could be said that, You screwed up there, Frank! Well, to really test myself -- since I did read up on partitioning in the past, I would say your boot partition is really overkill :-) I am in a much more space-constrained setup, and have installed most of the software I need already. I have already moved my swap partition onto the Windows harddrive (it is the only Linux partition on that drive), to free up about 300 more MB for Linux. Here's my df output: Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hdb1 1944056 1688400156900 92% / /dev/hdb680979 32225 48754 40% /home /dev/hda1 6015432 4566836 1448596 76% /mnt/win_c /dev/hdb5 180066107891 62878 64% /var My swap is on hda (300 MB) and I have about 260 MB (270,000 blocks) unallocated on hdb, free for me to redistribute when I repartition. I think I have the luxury of some more personal space, the / needs more flex room, and a bit more for var... I want room for a possible database, web site, and/or
[newbie] (OT humour ?) installation instructions - may be helpful
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Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
On Sunday 25 July 2004 11:22 pm, Rob Blomquist wrote: Rob, do you check your inbox and spam folder for FN's and FP's before running your script? I take it you have auto-learn 0 in your local.cf? FN? FP? auto-learn 0? local.cf? I have no idea what these are. If you help me decode this, maybe I can figure out what you are asking. Rob FN's = False Negatives, a 'spam' that has been marked as 'ham' by SA FP's = False Positives, a 'ham' that has been marked as 'spam' by SA Below is my /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: # How many hits before a message is considered spam. required_hits 5.0 # Whether to change the subject of suspected spam rewrite_subject 1 # Text to prepend to subject if rewrite_subject is used subject_tag *SPAM* # Encapsulate spam in an attachment report_safe 0 # Use terse version of the spam report use_terse_report0 # Enable the Bayes system use_bayes 1 score BAYES_00 0 0 -6.400 -6.400 score BAYES_01 0 0 -6.600 -6.600 score BAYES_10 0 0 -6.400 -5.801 score BAYES_20 0 0 -5.801 -3.101 score BAYES_30 0 0 -1.246 -1.604 score BAYES_60 0 0 2.002 2.002 score BAYES_70 0 0 2.637 2.637 score BAYES_80 0 0 4.1 4.1 score BAYES_90 0 0 4.2 4.2 score BAYES_99 0 0 4.300 4.3 # Enable Bayes auto-learning auto_learn 0 # bayes_path /etc/mail/spamassassin bayes_path /home/chris/.spamassassin/bayes # bayes_file_mode 0777 bayes_file_mode 0666 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_nonspam 0.1 bayes_auto_learn_threshold_spam 10.0 bayes_auto_expire 1 bayes_expiry_max_db_size 25 bayes_ignore_header ReSent-Date bayes_ignore_header ReSent-From bayes_ignore_header ReSent-Message-ID bayes_ignore_header ReSent-Subject bayes_ignore_header ReSent-To bayes_ignore_header Resent-Date bayes_ignore_header Resent-From # Enable or disable network checks skip_rbl_checks 0 use_razor2 1 razor_timeout 10 use_dcc 1 dcc_add_header 1 dcc_timeout 10 dcc_body_max99 dcc_fuz1_max99 dcc_fuz2_max99 use_pyzor 1 pyzor_path /usr/bin/pyzor pyzor_add_header1 # add_header all Pyzor _PYZOR_ # Mail using languages used in these country codes will not be marked # as being possibly spam in a foreign language. ok_languagesall # Mail using locales used in these country codes will not be marked # as being possibly spam in a foreign language. ok_locales all score RCVD_IN_RFCI 0 Below is the link to the SA mailing list where you can definately get more information than I can give: list-subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Also check out www.surbl.org for the Spam URI Realtime Blocklist. There is also a mailing list for this: List-Subscribe: http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm no expert at all in this or anything, but, this is how I've running SA with Kmail and its very effective. If you need anymore info, let me know and I'll provide you with the list of rules I'm running (which are only about 19 or 20). -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 5:50am up 27 days, 11:13, 2 users, load average: 0.41, 0.40, 0.35 I'll defend to the death your right to say that, but I never said I'd listen to it! -- Tom Galloway with apologies to Voltaire Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] (OT humour ?) installation instructions - may be helpful
On Monday 26 Jul 2004 11:23, Poogle wrote: http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml Ahh thank you :) Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Compiling VMware
I got this message trying to run vmware:[EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]$ suPassword:[EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]# vmware [1] 2621[EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]# vmware-config.plMaking sure VMware Workstation's services are stopped.Stopping VMware services:Virtual machine monitor [ OK ]grep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directorygrep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directorygrep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directoryTrying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel.None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for yourrunning kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module foryour system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes]I tried to install gcc compiler but with no result. Can somebody help me with this problem?Thanks,Gregory Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] x-mplayer2
Hi! Firstly, sorry for taking so long to reply. On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:00 am, Paul Smith wrote: I have not been able to have KMPlayer working on any other sites. However, it plays the mp3 files in my hard disk. Do you have xine installed? I'm not sure if mplayer supports .asx. (For xine, you might have to link directly e.g. http://10.133.169.15:80/tsfdirecto instead of www.tsf.sapo.net/tsfdirecto.asx). Hope this helps! Regards, _nasturtium Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Compiling VMware
Hello, you mean you have gcc installed and vmware is unable to use it for vmon compilation? Can you invoke gcc by entering gcc in console? Did you install gcc from rpm ore compile it from sources? Check the way you installed gcc. Probably vmware installer have problems with gcc recognition. Catcher - Original Message - From: Joseph Gregory Croes To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 12:51 PM Subject: [newbie] Compiling VMware I got this message trying to run vmware:[EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]$ suPassword:[EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]# vmware [1] 2621[EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]# vmware-config.plMaking sure VMware Workstation's services are stopped.Stopping VMware services:Virtual machine monitor [ OK ]grep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directorygrep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directorygrep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directoryTrying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel.None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for yourrunning kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module foryour system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes]I tried to install gcc compiler but with no result. Can somebody help me with this problem?Thanks,Gregory Help STOP spam with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] high pitched whine coming from new Maxtor!
Reliable? Up to a point Lord Copper. I've had two of them croak on me - one after 6 months (which I got replaced under guarantee) and the other after about 3 years. In my experience a ticking sound is an indication that the final appeal has failed and it is not long for this world. You'd better make regular backups while you still can. Its fine.. sure its degrading but I have neglected the drive intill about 2 months ago. It was running at 55-65c. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Sound Blaster MP3+
On Sunday 25 July 2004 15:11, Eric Jackson wrote: Hi, I have a Sound Blaster MP3+ USB soundcard installed on my Windows laptop. It runs fine. I tried to unstall it on my linux box running 10.0 Official. Mandrake recognized it as an unknown audio device. It is supported by ALSA using the snd-usb-audio module. It should show up with 'cat /proc/asound/cards'. If it doesn't try Harddrake. Has any one gotten this soundcard to work under Mandrake? If so could you please tell me what you did to get it to work? Eric Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTH, -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installation folder for Apache 2 ???
On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 07:11:14AM +0200, Marc Hultquist wrote: /var/www/html In-correct. By default apache2 installs its htdocs/ in the folder where everything else is installed, I.E if when installing apache you do as follows ./configure --prefix=/apache/ your apache will be installed in obviously /apache/ and your htdocs will be in /apache/htdocs/ ! If you use the Mandrake packaging system then the root is in fact /var/www/html. I would assume a user compiling Apache from source would have enough sense to know how to configure it! Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installation folder for Apache 2 ???
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 09:57:05 -0400 Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 07:11:14AM +0200, Marc Hultquist wrote: /var/www/html In-correct. By default apache2 installs its htdocs/ in the folder where everything else is installed, I.E if when installing apache you do as follows ./configure --prefix=/apache/ your apache will be installed in obviously /apache/ and your htdocs will be in /apache/htdocs/ ! If you use the Mandrake packaging system then the root is in fact /var/www/html. I would assume a user compiling Apache from source would have enough sense to know how to configure it! Todd OTOH, I've had more trouble with lesser problems. I just spent two hours with a network problem. The rj45 wasn't plugged in. Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installation folder for Apache 2 ???
On Monday, 26 July 2004 15:57, Todd Slater wrote: On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 07:11:14AM +0200, Marc Hultquist wrote: /var/www/html In-correct. By default apache2 installs its htdocs/ in the folder where everything else is installed, I.E if when installing apache you do as follows ./configure --prefix=/apache/ your apache will be installed in obviously /apache/ and your htdocs will be in /apache/htdocs/ ! If you use the Mandrake packaging system then the root is in fact /var/www/html. I would assume a user compiling Apache from source would have enough sense to know how to configure it! Todd To true, I noticed the woe of my mail to late, well only after I sent the mail :\ Its one of those mondays. Sorry to everyone about that. -- Marc Hultquist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Computerkit Systems (Pty) Ltd http://www.cks.co.za (P) +27 11 695 5317 (F) +27 11 312 1408 (C) +27 82 563 2861 Quote: Its a bad idea for geeks to be on low-carb diets. Low-carb means no sugar, no sugar means cravings, cravings mean a loss of concentration, losing concentration makes geeks irritable and geeks run the computers that run the world's banks and militaries !!! . . . . . . . . YE GODS !!! Give me a frosted chocolate cake before we plunge into anarchy !!! - (c) J.D. Illad Frazer(Userfriendly.org) Confidentiality Notice: The above message and all attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from your computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the view of the entity transmitting the message. Computerkit Retail Systems (Pty) Ltd hereby distances itself from and accepts no liability in respect of the unauthorised use of its e-mail facility or the sending of e-mail communications for other than strictly business purposes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installation folder for Apache 2 ???
Hello, The question is not Where the site root directory is? The right question is Where the apache configuration file is? That will help anyone to aviod problems like this one just discussed. In configuration file you can find it anytime and config file is IMHO intuitive enought to provide information about site root directory to anyone able to install a system. Folks, config files are your friends, they should be readed immediatelly after the README and man pages of product. : OT NOTE: if somebody is starting to write a php or cgi scripts, it is good to remember that it is dangerous to have scripts in site root directory (as somebody wrote in this streame). Basic scheme: index.php is located and executed in /var/www/html, other scripts are located in /var/www/myphp and executed from index.php. It is little bit more difficult to play with site wrote like this (or to hack it). Sorry for my english : Best Regards Tomas Tudja - Original Message - From: Todd Slater [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Installation folder for Apache 2 ??? On Mon, Jul 26, 2004 at 07:11:14AM +0200, Marc Hultquist wrote: /var/www/html In-correct. By default apache2 installs its htdocs/ in the folder where everything else is installed, I.E if when installing apache you do as follows ./configure --prefix=/apache/ your apache will be installed in obviously /apache/ and your htdocs will be in /apache/htdocs/ ! If you use the Mandrake packaging system then the root is in fact /var/www/html. I would assume a user compiling Apache from source would have enough sense to know how to configure it! Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Installation folder for Apache 2 ???
OTOH, I've had more trouble with lesser problems. I just spent two hours with a network problem. The rj45 wasn't plugged in. Ya I done that as well in the past :-) -- Marc Hultquist ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Computerkit Systems (Pty) Ltd http://www.cks.co.za (P) +27 11 695 5317 (F) +27 11 312 1408 (C) +27 82 563 2861 Quote: Its a bad idea for geeks to be on low-carb diets. Low-carb means no sugar, no sugar means cravings, cravings mean a loss of concentration, losing concentration makes geeks irritable and geeks run the computers that run the world's banks and militaries !!! . . . . . . . . YE GODS !!! Give me a frosted chocolate cake before we plunge into anarchy !!! - (c) J.D. Illad Frazer(Userfriendly.org) Confidentiality Notice: The above message and all attachments may contain privileged and confidential information intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, copy or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail, facsimile or telephone and thereafter delete the material from your computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the view of the entity transmitting the message. Computerkit Retail Systems (Pty) Ltd hereby distances itself from and accepts no liability in respect of the unauthorised use of its e-mail facility or the sending of e-mail communications for other than strictly business purposes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Compiling VMware
On Monday 26 July 2004 13:51, Joseph Gregory Croes wrote: I got this message trying to run vmware: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]$ su Password: [EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]# vmware [1] 2621 [EMAIL PROTECTED] gregory]# vmware-config.pl Making sure VMware Workstation's services are stopped. Stopping VMware services: Virtual machine monitor [ OK ] grep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directory grep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directory grep: /proc/ksyms: No such file or directory On my Mandrake 10.0 system with a 2.6 kernel there is no /proc/ksyms file but there is /proc/kallsyms. I think it's a 2.4/2.6 kernel thing. Trying to find a suitable vmmon module for your running kernel. None of VMware Workstation's pre-built vmmon modules is suitable for your running kernel. Do you want this program to try to build the vmmon module for your system (you need to have a C compiler installed on your system)? [yes] I tried to install gcc compiler but with no result. Can somebody help me with this problem? Thanks, Gregory Please don't use html in your email :-) HTH, -Frans Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: Re: [newbie] Spam Filter with Kontact
Rob, do you check your inbox and spam folder for FN's and FP's before running your script? I take it you have auto-learn 0 in your local.cf? FN? FP? auto-learn 0? local.cf? I have no idea what these are. If you help me decode this, maybe I can figure out what you are asking. Rob FN's = False Negatives, a 'spam' that has been marked as 'ham' by SA FP's = False Positives, a 'ham' that has been marked as 'spam' by SA I have KMail move all my mail that SA thinks is spam into a folder called SpamPile. I let KMail delete any message that is older than 3 days from there. If I get a FP, I put it in the box where it belongs, if I get a FN, I place it in SpamPile. I run a script I wrote called spam-learn that runs sa-learn for various folders, that I have classified as spam or ham. Below is my /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf: Never edited this one. Literally, all I do is place the FP or FN into the correct box (which rarely needs to be done) and run my_rules_du_jour once a week. I get very few spams in my inbox and about 20 a day are sent to me. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Perl module
Just updated to the latest f-prot and the old check-updates.sh script has been replaced by one called check-updates.pl. Upon issuing as root ./check-updates.pl I get the following error ./check-updates.pl Error: Unable to include perl module: 'HTTP::Request'. Please install this module and try re-running this script. (Hint: man CPAN) Fatal error. Exiting... I can't take the Hint as I can't find man CPAN and I can't find the appropriate RPM which includes the above mentioned module. Google would be my friend here but unfortunately the site is currently down :-( -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Perl module
Poogle wrote: ./check-updates.pl Error: Unable to include perl module: 'HTTP::Request'. Please install this module and try re-running this script. (Hint: man CPAN) Fatal error. Exiting... I can't take the Hint as I can't find man CPAN and I can't find the appropriate RPM which includes the above mentioned module. Google would be my friend here but unfortunately the site is currently down :-( Try installing the perl-libwww-perl package (it's part of the standard MDK installation). raffaele Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Perl module
On Monday 26 Jul 2004 17:39, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: Poogle wrote: ./check-updates.pl Error: Unable to include perl module: 'HTTP::Request'. Please install this module and try re-running this script. (Hint: man CPAN) Fatal error. Exiting... I can't take the Hint as I can't find man CPAN and I can't find the appropriate RPM which includes the above mentioned module. Google would be my friend here but unfortunately the site is currently down :-( Try installing the perl-libwww-perl package (it's part of the standard MDK installation). raffaele Yes, that was the one, thanks -- http://www.poogle.co.uk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spammassassin: spamd consuming 90%+cpu time
On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 18:04, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 07:19, Rob Blomquist wrote: Try using spamc as spamd is just a wrapper for spamc I understand. I filter using SA from within Kmail, and when I used spamd, I had my Kmail come to a halt while messages were being filtered, Now with spamc, there is only a short pause, and everything is running. I wish I could, but ya see, my system is setup as a global mail server (for Tina and myself) - so the configuration I'm using is system wide, hence not being able to use it from within Evolution; I try to mirror my client's setups; clamd is smaller than calling SA proper. Tell me please that you are NOT running these server programs on your workstation rather than a seperate server box. LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 09:42, Marc wrote: At one time someone here on the newbie list gave a link to a article that did a nice simple job of explaining why it is next to impossible for a succussfull linux virus to be created. I have been searching the archives and have been unable to find it again. Can anyone here point me to it? Thanks Marc The simple fact of the matter is that a virus cannot run in a secure environment; you have to have root privileges in order to do so; hence an attack on a linux box is generally from outside, and not inside - unless someone was successful at running a rootkit on the machine in question. stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Stone circles were common enough everywhere in the mountains. Druids built them as weather computers, and since it was always cheaper to build a new 33-Megalith circle than to upgrade an old slow one, there were generally plenty of ancient ones around (Lords and Ladies) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 12:43, John Wilson wrote: Of course you could be missing the point that Microsoft keeps making that Linux itself is a virus. :-) ttfn John Microsoft Windows (tm) has been the virus since the advent of Winodws95 (tm); it killed OS/2 and BeOS systems between late-1994 and 1996. stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. bureaucrat, n: A politician who has tenure. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] (OT humour ?) installation instructions - may be helpful
On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 20:23, Poogle wrote: http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml My installation failed, hence my desire to try the installation on dead cat instead...closely resembles red hat - so I thought there might be a compatibility thing going on... stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Be careful what you wish for. You never know who will be listening. Or what, for that matter. (Soul Music) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Spammassassin: spamd consuming 90%+cpu time
On Tue, 2004-07-27 at 03:12, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 18:04, Stephen Kühn wrote: On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 07:19, Rob Blomquist wrote: Try using spamc as spamd is just a wrapper for spamc I understand. I filter using SA from within Kmail, and when I used spamd, I had my Kmail come to a halt while messages were being filtered, Now with spamc, there is only a short pause, and everything is running. I wish I could, but ya see, my system is setup as a global mail server (for Tina and myself) - so the configuration I'm using is system wide, hence not being able to use it from within Evolution; I try to mirror my client's setups; clamd is smaller than calling SA proper. Tell me please that you are NOT running these server programs on your workstation rather than a seperate server box. LX I wish I could - but until I have the time to take this lowly P200 I have sitting next to my workbench and turn IT into a mail server, well, my workstation IS the server...time, my friend...time...and resource...but eventually, I will move all server related services to another box...(oh, yeah, it takes MONEY too, forgot to mention that) stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. There should be a science of discontent. People need hard times and oppression to develop psychic muscles. -from Collected Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Expiring Email in Kontact
I believe you set a date that restricts the length of time Kmail stores a email in a folder before an automated deletion process takes place. Must be in the settings someplace but as I don't use Kmail can't help there. Hence it expires (i.e. ceases to exist, kicks the deleted bucket, runs out of time...) On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:19:04 +0100 SME Server Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya Right, I've had a look in the help files, but help on Kontact is missing, there is no entry for Expire and I've looked on google without fruition! Could some kind soul explain what Expire Email is please? Elwyn -- John Willby Registered Linux user number 321644 ICQ: 92791912 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] AIM: vicarofwibley Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux is like a wigwam - No Gates, no Windows, Apache inside. 21:17:03 up 12 days, 8:40, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] (OT humour ?) installation instructions - may be helpful
Stephen Kühn wrote: On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 20:23, Poogle wrote: http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml My installation failed, hence my desire to try the installation on dead cat instead...closely resembles red hat - so I thought there might be a compatibility thing going on... your form factor is wrong in your climate use a Red 'Roo instead. stephen kuhn - proprietor __ illawarra computer services :: a kuhn media australia venture http://kma.0catch.com :: mobile 0410.728.389 Serving Sydney, The Illawarra, South Coast and Rural NSW __ * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents __ Mandrake GNU/Linux 10.0 OE/Kernel 2.6.3-7/ No Viruses here. Be careful what you wish for. You never know who will be listening. Or what, for that matter. (Soul Music) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] (OT humour ?) installation instructions - may be helpful
Aron Smith wrote: Stephen Kühn wrote: On Mon, 2004-07-26 at 20:23, Poogle wrote: http://www.strangehorizons.com/2004/20040405/badger.shtml My installation failed, hence my desire to try the installation on dead cat instead...closely resembles red hat - so I thought there might be a compatibility thing going on... your form factor is wrong in your climate use a Red 'Roo instead. stephen kuhn - proprietor Sigh! I can see where this is going! Get ready for about 500 posts to this thread! In Canada, you have to upgrade to Moose 1.10 if you want it to work in our climate, because Beaver 6.3 just can't handle the load! There, I threw in my 2 cents worth. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] urpmi Installs - with options
Hi All, I have a question about installing Apache with urpmi. Can I specify options for Apache while using urpmi? For example, can I add ./configure --prefix=PREFIX to the urpmi command and have it work? Thanks! -- Travis Crook Visions Beyond www.VisionsBeyond.com 208-478-7836 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Expiring Email in Kontact
On Monday 26 Jul 2004 21:19, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: I believe you set a date that restricts the length of time Kmail stores a email in a folder before an automated deletion process takes place. Must be in the settings someplace but as I don't use Kmail can't help there. Hence it expires (i.e. ceases to exist, kicks the deleted bucket, runs out of time...) On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:19:04 +0100 SME Server Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya Right, I've had a look in the help files, but help on Kontact is missing, there is no entry for Expire and I've looked on google without fruition! Could some kind soul explain what Expire Email is please? Elwyn Gotcha! THanks :) Elwyn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] How to undo a symbolic link?
Dear All I would like to know how to undo the following symbolic link: ln -f -s /opt/winetools/wt210 /usr/bin/wt Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Message could not be delivered
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original message was included as attachment WTF??? the attached zip file seems to have a whack of virus files inside! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Message could not be delivered
On Monday 26 July 2004 07:09 pm, Lanman wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The original message was included as attachment WTF??? the attached zip file seems to have a whack of virus files inside! Lanman so what do the whole headers look like? -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to undo a symbolic link?
Don't you just delete the "copy"?Paul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear AllI would like to know how to undo the following symbolic link:ln -f -s /opt/winetools/wt210 /usr/bin/wtAny ideas?Thanks in advance,PaulWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
Re: [newbie] How to undo a symbolic link?
Paul Smith wrote: Dear All I would like to know how to undo the following symbolic link: ln -f -s /opt/winetools/wt210 /usr/bin/wt Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul Hi Paul: How about if you try this: rm name_of_what_you_want_to_delete So for your example, if you want to delete /usr/bin/wt, you could: rm /usr/bin/wt Clint Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to undo a symbolic link?
Clint Harshaw wrote: I would like to know how to undo the following symbolic link: ln -f -s /opt/winetools/wt210 /usr/bin/wt How about if you try this: rm name_of_what_you_want_to_delete So for your example, if you want to delete /usr/bin/wt, you could: rm /usr/bin/wt Thanks Clint and Thomas for the solution for my question. Paul Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] How to undo a symbolic link?
Wow...first time I was actually able to be helpful. ;-) Progress! Tom EwaldPaul Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clint Harshaw wrote: I would like to know how to undo the following symbolic link: ln -f -s /opt/winetools/wt210 /usr/bin/wt How about if you try this: rm name_of_what_you_want_to_delete So for your example, if you want to delete /usr/bin/wt, you could: rm /usr/bin/wtThanks Clint and Thomas for the solution for my question.PaulWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.comJoin the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
Re: [newbie] The Linux virus myth
stephen, i'd agree that a truly secure environment would prevent unknown programs from running, but a virus doesn't necessarily need root privs. if i can write a shell script that runs as a user, that can wipe my user files, send mail with attachments, create a dotfile and a user cron job to run it, then so can a virus writer, all that is required is that i be tricked into downloading the file/saving the attachment, making it executable and then running it, of course that involves a lot of social engineering compared to simply relying on a broken email client to do all that for you, but, let me say that again, but, in a world where every one switches to linux from windows there will be an awful lot of users on whom such social engineering will work. you and i, and probably most everyone on this list at this moment in time are, almost by definition, the kind of people who like to know more than just how to click a mouse button, folk who like to learn about our machines, in doing so we will inevitably pick up skills of net hygiene, if not by deliberate learning then by a form of osmosis, surrounded by a culture of people who truly 'know better'. one day that previous paragraph may no longer be true. that is why a lot of old hands in the linux/bsd/unix world will seem to be anal about things like md5sums, pgp sigs on mails etc. not because they all move in a harsh 'cracker eat hacker' world (though some do), but because they can see the future, or at least one possible iteration of it, and getting those habits down now, before they become necessary, can't hurt any :) bascule On Monday 26 Jul 2004 8:05 pm, Stephen Khn wrote: The simple fact of the matter is that a virus cannot run in a secure environment; you have to have root privileges in order to do so; hence an attack on a linux box is generally from outside, and not inside - unless someone was successful at running a rootkit on the machine in question. -- - What're quantum mechanics? - I don't know. People who repair quantums, I suppose. (Eric) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Domain name expired...stupid me
On Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:57:50 -0400 Lanman disseminated the following: Or is it so stupid and inscrutable that I should just choose a new one? 'fuckmicrosoft' is, unfortunately, taken ;-) /joehill opens hisself up to all the Don Rickles on the list... Joe; try http://dotcanuck.com; . based out of Victoria, and they know their stuff. Extremely helpful guys. I use them for all my domains and for clients domains. Been 100% on the ball for 5 years. See? No Rickles! Maybe some Wrinkles, but No Rickles! Thanks for the tip, d00d, but I had an epiphany...well maybe that's giving it too much significance...anyway, in a few days www.freeyourmachine.org should be live and continuing my sinister plan to bore the world to death. -- JoeHill RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 23:48:29 up 12 days, 16:02, 5 users, load average: 2.19, 1.92, 1.85 +++ If those in charge of our society - politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television - can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves. -- Howard Zinn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] [OT] Domain name expired...stupid me
At least you can likely reregister the domain. through a fu**up with Network Solutions, some outfit in Hong Kong grabbed my domain. I learned a lesson: don't deal with Network Solutions/Verisign. I went with another registrar for a domain for an organization that I belong to and I've been very happy with it. At 09:24 PM 7/26/2004, you wrote: I went and let my domain name expire, and I can't remember who I originally registered it with. Even the 'whois' info is already gone :-( It comes up as unavailable at Network Solutions, any way to get it back? Or is it so stupid and inscrutable that I should just choose a new one? 'fuckmicrosoft' is, unfortunately, taken ;-) /joehill opens hisself up to all the Don Rickles on the list... -- JoeHill RLU #282046 22:19:34 up 12 days, 14:33, 5 users, load average: 1.90, 1.89, 1.76 +++ If those in charge of our society - politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television - can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power. They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves. -- Howard Zinn Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Dennis Duffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #362232 Not yet M$ free-but getting closer
Re: [newbie] [OT] Domain name expired...stupid me
I didn't put in the registrar I use on my previous post, but www.godaddy.com is a great outfit to work with and the price is not out of this world either! At 09:57 PM 7/26/2004, you wrote: JoeHill wrote: I went and let my domain name expire, and I can't remember who I originally registered it with. Even the 'whois' info is already gone :-( It comes up as unavailable at Network Solutions, any way to get it back? Or is it so stupid and inscrutable that I should just choose a new one? 'fuckmicrosoft' is, unfortunately, taken ;-) /joehill opens hisself up to all the Don Rickles on the list... Joe; try http://dotcanuck.com . based out of Victoria, and they know their stuff. Extremely helpful guys. I use them for all my domains and for clients domains. Been 100% on the ball for 5 years. See? No Rickles! Maybe some Wrinkles, but No Rickles! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Dennis Duffner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #362232 Not yet M$ free-but getting closer
Re: [newbie] high pitched whine coming from new Maxtor!
Angus Auld wrote: I seem to be getting a very annoying, and scary, high pitched whining sound occasionally from my 3 week old Maxtor 40 GB 7200rpm drive. Should I back everything up now?! :-/ My drive mounts in a vertical position. Could that cause a problem? I could find no warnings against vertical mounting in the docs that came with it. The noise comes and goes, and just started doing so the past day or so. It has been working very well otherwise. I just found my purchase receipt.I may well need it. Anyone able to give me a prognosis? ;-) Regards. --Angus I have 30GB maxtor 7200 it made the whine noise ocasionally also. It died after a couple years, I still had their diagnostic floppy that came with the drive and ran the test phoned in the code and they sent me a new drive no charge except for return shipping on old drive. The new drive started making a noise also after a while, I read some where about 7200rpm drives running hotter so I installed hddtemp and checked it, running 55c so I seperated my drives (they were stacked too close for one thing) and put a drive cooler on it and now hddtemp reports 35c. I don't know for sure if the noise was heat related for sure, but it has been more quiet since I put a cooler on it. You could try installing hddtemp and see what your temp is. I believe its on the cd's. Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
