Re: [newbie] Pre-newbie here!
, say 15 to 45 minutes later, depending on your computer's speed and the amount of candy you chose, you get a configuration screen. It's worth clicking on each item, even if you don't change anything (Mandrake is good on defaults). You'll probably have to change the time zone. Near the bottom, in screen configuration, there'll also be an option to boot into the GUI (a desktop with colors, menus, icons) or into a console (a black screen and a prompt, like DOS). I prefer the command line, because it's easy to get into the GUI when you want (we can tell you several ways) and there are so many interesting things you can do (and learn) at the command line. Like you can do mc enter and explore /usr, /var, /home, etc. using Midnight Commander. And /etc, of course, which has lots of configuration stuff. But I'm getting ahead of myself. The last stage of your install will be to set up the bootloader. Choose the mbr. You have a choice of bootloaders, lilo or grub. Lilo is pretty and grub isn't, but the latter is easier to hand-edit so I use grub. You'll get a list of bootable images to approve, one of which will be Windows. From now on, when you boot up your computer, you'll come to a list of choices, with the one at the top automatically booting after a set amount of time (which you can set), unless you choose on of the others, either the linux or the failsafe linux. And that's it (I think). If you mess up, or want to try a different combination of packages, or are just an install junkie] like myself, you can do it again! This is pretty simple because I'm not a Guru. Hopefully, it's just simple enough. HTH, Dale Huckeby ps. Wait around a little bit until others have had the chance to correct anything stupid I might have said. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Prepare for 9.2 - partitions backups
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003, HaywireMac wrote: On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:21:56 -0700 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Well, it'll be good for a little while. My /home is closing in on 700MB, so the complexity of the script will go up. Unless, of course, i start compressing, too. 700MB?! LOL! Mine is like 25GB, what with all the music and shite. I bought a 50 pack of CDR's, and I've only got about 6 left... and not one bit of pr0n in there, just so's ya know... ;-) P.S. do *not* download Reign of Fire, sux big time. Movie about dragons and ya get to see about 3... :-\ Beg to differ. :) Dragon scenes are not sparse but _are_ spectacular. Very impressive dragon-effects. Great movie. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Re: [newbie] First Steps Vertical Refresh (WAS: partitioning for Mandrake 9.1)
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, Aron Smith wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 11:09, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 22 Sep 2003 5:04 pm, Aron Smith wrote: Now That was vintage joe hill Rah! Aron, that was a 245 line email, for that one line. Could I respectfully point you at http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette Anne True love but sometimes the comparison is the content. Anne was being tactful. It's _rude_ to make the rest of us to wade through an entire previous post to get to your way_to_go line. If you flagged it No added content, at least I'd know not to waste my time looking for some. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: Dale Huckeby wrote: . . . The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. OK so that sounds interesting. Now the time taken to create the print file and send it complete to the printer is always going to be longer in linux with ghostscript employed than in windblows, that cannot be helped, the PCL5 to PCL3 conversion takes time, and in any case each individual computer is going to vary the time according to it's power to process etc. So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) Dale Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 21 Sep 2003 10:34 am, Aron Smith wrote: On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 23:07, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 20 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: snip So how about taking a 600dpi scanned file in either .pnm or .jpg of an A4 colour page(it can be anything) then send that file to printer at say 600dpi High quality, and note the time from when the file first arrives at the spooling window (kde - peripherals - printer - jobs) and you start to hear the printer load the sheet of paper to completion of the printed page. I created a 600dpi scanned A4 colour page .jpg file of 3.4Mb, in gimp, which took just over 3 minutes to print from the moment the page loaded to final ejection from the Lexmark Z53 printer. That's a lot of numbercrunchingbut sets a big task to compare performances with. How long would your Epson C82 take to process the same size and type of file? Sorry, don't know what an A4 color page is, nor how to create one. If you'll tell me how to make one in gimp I'll do it but I don't know how meaningful the print comparison will be. I don't use kde so will probably be printing from the command line. (Anything that's not being printed from OOo, Opera, or Pine.) A4 is a little smaller than letter size. A4 is around 1/4 narrower, but around 3/4 longer Thanks all. Guess it would have been clearer if I had said I don't know what a _color page_ is (still!), or how to create it at ANY given size (not just A4), or dpi resolution, or Mb size. In short, I'm a complete naif when it comes to using Gimp or any other graphics tool. Dale Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, John Richard Smith wrote: that I wrote: Epson is very Linux friendly. They support Linux probably better than any other printer. I've got a Stylus C82 that I'm very happy with. In product reviews a few people complained about the noise the paperfeed makes, and it is definite but not bothersome in my opinion. What I noticed is that it works. It's very definite and precise in feeding and positioning the sheets, and mine has never jammed (in five or six months). I think you'll find that the C82 (or probably any Epson; this is my second one) will work very well with 9.1. That's what I'm running. Mandrake will know what it is and configure it for you, although you can specify quality settings at various levels of detail and expertise (in printerdrake in mcc) if you wish. Mine cost about $100. Its quality is pretty impressive. I scanned (on an Epson scanner!) and printed one of my niece's wedding photos, and it was practically indistinguishable from the real thing. Thank you Dale for your detailed experiences, these are the kind of personal experiences we all like to hear about. I'm not in the market today for a new printer , but may well think about it in the not too distant future, if I did want one today, I'm coming round to the Idea of trying out an Epson myself, well, I've had a good experience with their Epson perfection 2450 scanner, and with testermonials like yours one is encouraged. You don't mention print speeds? Don't know what the norm is. It's much faster than my Photo700, though. Print speed isn't that important to me (as long as it isn't interminable). I use the printer at a high resolution setting, so when I print out drafts of an article I'm working on (ie. in OOo), and eventually the final version, it looks really nice. I'm just aesthetic that way. I like for stuff I print out to look like print shop quality. Okay, that wasn't very helpful, so I just did a quick test, printing the same page in OpenOffice using different settings. The settings I chose from were Economy, Normal, High Quality, Very High Quality, and Photo, with a Grayscale version of each, for a total of ten settings. (These are for- inexpert-eyes combinations of the larger array of settings you can choose from if you click on the Advanced tab.) The grayscales are slightly lighter, although it's not noticeable at the higher quality settings. It is noticeable for Economy Grayscale, which has a couple of lines that are lighter than the rest. Economy, Normal, and Normal Grayscale all look pretty much the same, maybe identical to the average eye. I think Normal Grayscale actually looks slightly better than Normal, a little harder- edged. The time each takes to print one of a sample page, from the time I press the Okay button till the copy slides out, is 18 seconds for Economy Grayscale, 23 seconds for Economy, 28 seconds for Normal Grayscale, 62 seconds for Normal, about a minute and a half for High Quality Grayscale, and about 4 minutes for High Quality. Normal and High Quality probably aren't distinguishable by the casual viewer, but held side by side Normal is slightly thicker and muddier looking. Under a magnifying glass the edges would be fuzzier. High Quality has a slighter thinner, harder, sharp-edged printshop look. High Quality Grayscale is just a little lighter. Normal Grayscale is actually hard to tell from High Quality, so I might switch to that as my default. I didn't test Very High Quality or Photo or their grayscales. By the way, the times above are for the first page, which includes the time it takes for the program to communicate with the printer. I just ran page 1 and 2 at Normal Grayscale and the first page was out at 28 seconds and the second at 51, so all subsequent pages should take about 23 seconds apiece. HTH, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Cheap color inkjet printer
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003, Lee Wiggers wrote: Need recommendations for a cheap inkjet that is: 9.1 friendly refillable Epson is very Linux friendly. They support Linux probably better than any other printer. I've got a Stylus C82 that I'm very happy with. In product reviews a few people complained about the noise the paperfeed makes, and it is definite but not bothersome in my opinion. What I noticed is that it works. It's very definite and precise in feeding and positioning the sheets, and mine has never jammed (in five or six months). I think you'll find that the C82 (or probably any Epson; this is my second one) will work very well with 9.1. That's what I'm running. Mandrake will know what it is and configure it for you, although you can specify quality settings at various levels of detail and expertise (in printerdrake in mcc) if you wish. Mine cost about $100. Its quality is pretty impressive. I scanned (on an Epson scanner!) and printed one of my niece's wedding photos, and it was practically indistinguishable from the real thing. HTH, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Powerfan connection?
Many apologies to Ian and FemmeFatale for not responding sooner. I already knew it wasn't the case fan. I know where its leads are. I found out by Googling that power supplies _usually_ have an internal connection, and thus don't have a connector coming _out_ of the power supply box to plug into the motherboard. Apparently Abit's manual is indicating where to plug in an _external_ connector from the power box _if_ one exists, but doesn't indicate that there usually isn't one. But their manual is generally excellent and comprehensive, so I might just send them a heads-up on this particular detail. The motherboard, by the way, turned out to be defective. All I could get on bootup was checksum error - defaults loaded, and no keyboard response to enable me to go into the bios to try to fix it. Abit has okayed an exchange for another one. When I get it I'll know not to worry about the powerfan connector. Thanks to both of you for your responses. Dale Huckeby On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Ian Trickett wrote: This is not for the case fan - that should be a separate connector. Better quality power supplies now, in addition to all the power connectors for other stuff, have a fan connector with, IIRC, 2 wires attached. This allows speed control of the power supply fan and keeps things much quieter. That's what plugs on there. Check the CPU fan connector - it will look like that. Ian On June 22, 2003 11:02 am, Dale Huckeby wrote: This isn't strictly a Mandrake question, but I hope someone here can help me. I'm building a computer for my mother using an Abit NF7-M motherboard. In the manual it says, Attach the connector from the power fan to PWRFAN1 header... The PWRFAN1 header has three prongs. Two of the connectors coming out of the power housing have four holes, none have three. Which (if any) is supposed to connect to PWRFAN1? Do I need an adapter so it can fit the three-prong header? My own computer has an Abit KR7A-133 board. The equivalent passage in it is attach the connector from the power fan to FAN3 header. I just looked and nothing is attached to that header, and the only four-hole connector I see is plugged into the floppy drive. Some friends online suggested that the power fan (ie. I assume the one in the power box housing) is run _by_ the power box, that it doesn't need to connect to the motherboard. Is that true? I notice that it isn't turning now, but that might be because it doesn't need to. Looking at the fan through the grill I can see the wires running from it but can't see where they're going or if they're one of the bundles exiting the unit at the rear. How _do_ I connect that fan, or do I need to do anything at all. Puzzled in Evansville, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Powerfan connection?
This isn't strictly a Mandrake question, but I hope someone here can help me. I'm building a computer for my mother using an Abit NF7-M motherboard. In the manual it says, Attach the connector from the power fan to PWRFAN1 header... The PWRFAN1 header has three prongs. Two of the connectors coming out of the power housing have four holes, none have three. Which (if any) is supposed to connect to PWRFAN1? Do I need an adapter so it can fit the three-prong header? My own computer has an Abit KR7A-133 board. The equivalent passage in it is attach the connector from the power fan to FAN3 header. I just looked and nothing is attached to that header, and the only four-hole connector I see is plugged into the floppy drive. Some friends online suggested that the power fan (ie. I assume the one in the power box housing) is run _by_ the power box, that it doesn't need to connect to the motherboard. Is that true? I notice that it isn't turning now, but that might be because it doesn't need to. Looking at the fan through the grill I can see the wires running from it but can't see where they're going or if they're one of the bundles exiting the unit at the rear. How _do_ I connect that fan, or do I need to do anything at all. Puzzled in Evansville, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is it starting to fall apart for SCO?
On 16 Jun 2003, Aron Smith wrote: On Mon, 2003-06-16 at 07:22, JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 09:01:48 -0500 Marc Oestreicher [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: This all reminds me of a t shirt that my wife has with a picture of a huge eagle swooping down at a mouse. The mouse is holding a big gun in 1 hand and giving the eagle the finger with the other hand. Love it! Any chance of scannin' that fer us? What a great image! I think that I have the cartoon it's titled the great act of defience I saw it years ago. It was a scrawny, defenseless mouse with _no_ gun giving the finger to this fierce, glaring eagle swooping down on it, and was titled The last great act of defiance. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Microsoft wants admin privileges on your PC(old, but relevant)
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, JoeHill wrote: On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 18:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Dale Huckeby [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Nothing's going to change (at the government level) until _that_ changes. Soo, what are you suggesting exactly? Killing is *wrong*, I repeat, *wrong*, I would never ever sanction or condone something like that! H. Tape must be running. :) Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] ARTICLE: Microsoft wants admin privileges on your PC(old, but relevant)
On 16 Jun 2003, Stephen Kuhn wrote: . . . lots o' snip Microsoft has already shown that they have really no care about privacy or security or even offering privacy or security to the end user - just as much as the US government doesn't care about personal privacy or personal security; so hand-in-hand this would end the computing world and/or internet privacy/anonymity as we know it now. Clinton tried to curb MS, but the Bush administration has been in bed with them from the moment they took office. Nothing's going to change (at the government level) until _that_ changes. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Epson IScan
On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 05 Jun 2003 5:56 am, Miark wrote: No go--I still get a segmentation fault. Besides which, I _think_ it uses the epkowa.conf file, should it not? Miark I don't have any answers for you, but just wonder why you particularly want to run iscan? I run a Perfection 1650, and it seems to me that the latest xsane drivers offer pretty much the same facilities as iscan. What is it you particular want? For me the Epson driver works much better when I want to scan and print a photo. If I just want to print an article from a webpage xsane seems to work better. I'm running the 1660, by the way. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Rpmdrake in 9.1 needs to be stomped and burned
On 12 Feb 2003, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Well, I've done searches within the newbie and expert lists for rpmdrake and I see almost no vocality on a positive note for rpmdrake 2.1. This isn't from memory, this is from a hard search for rpmdrake thru all emails I have. My lists here date back to 1999. I saw no naysayers convinced in the discussions on the expert list, may they come here on this thread and correct me if I am wrong. And if they still don't like rpmdrake 2.1, I'd appreciate hearing about that as well. I'm one of the original dissenters who didn't like the removal of tabbing in favor of separate open and close functions. I haven't actually seen 2.1 yet but from what I'm reading here the frontend has been further improved in a direction I probably won't like. Maybe a little story will help to convey what is bothering us who find the improvments kludgy, that the rest of you seem oblivious to. I worked 18 years for a bookstore, and had about 20 someodd sections to take care of. One of my regular tasks was the scan the file details for every book in every section I was responsible for. When we first got the program we used it was simple. Star with a list of sections, enter the section you want, then enter the first book in that section and scan the details to make sure they're right. Then hit the spacebar and you're viewing the details of the next book, hit the spacebar for the third book, etc. So I could rapidly go from book to book just by hitting the spacebar and quickly check the information for one of my sections. Then the programmers improved things. (Everytime they upgraded our package it became less usable.) Now you couldn't hit the spacebar to go to the detail file for the next title. You had to exit back to the list of titles, page down to the title you wanted, scan, then exit, then you're back at the top of the list of titles and have to page down one further than the last time, etc. So if I entered five titles down the last time I exited, I had to remember which title it was and/or count down six the next time. I didn't have to keep these things in mind before, nor did I have to exit, page down, and enter over and over. Just scan and hit the spacebar, scan and hit the spacebar until I reached the last title in the section. It made checking a section enormously more time consuming and made us less able and less likely to keep on top of our sections. Now while the parallel isn't perfect the improvements in the DrakConf GUI is of a similar nature. I used to find it VERY convenient to tab back and forth between installed and installable, and now I have to exit the one and start the other, and then exit the other and reopen the first if I want to jump back and forth, which I used to do a lot. Now I almost have to make a list of the things I want to check while I'm in the one, so I don't have to open and close so damned many times. Now in my bookstore job each of the upgrades was presented as an improvment in terms of the underlying code, and perhasps it was, but it damned sure wasn't an improvement for those of us who had to use the product to get our daily work done. I don't know if the processes or functions were grouped differently in the new and improved versions, so that the old frontend experience COULDN'T be coded in, but I damn sure know what it felt like to have to use it. And to a lesser extent that's the way I've felt with the improvements in DrakConf. It's the user whose experience should count. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] File Management
Well, how did you partition it? Mine, for instance, is /, swap, /home, /usr, /var. Any filename that starts with /home is on the /home partition, any filename that starts with /usr (ie. /usr/X11R6/bin/DrakConf) is on the /usr partition, any filename that starts with /var is on the /var partition. Any filename (on my system) that doesn't start with /home, /usr, or /var is on the / partition. Dale Huckeby On 9 Feb 2003, Russ wrote: I like to know where things are. Example, what files are on the / partition, or the /usr, /var, /home. I just like to know what I am playing with. Russ On Sun, 2003-02-09 at 20:24, Todd Slater wrote: For normal operation, why do you need to know what partition stuff is on? Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How long to download 9.0
A little over an hour per cd. Dale Huckeby On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Robert wrote: How long will take approximately to download LM 9.0 using a DSL connection? I am well aware that each service and line could vary a bit, but just an approximate time, please. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Interesting article reviewing MDK v9.0 (long)
On Sun, 5 Jan 2003, Jerry wrote: So, in conclusion, in my opinion, this review was poorly written, in bad taste, and detrimental to GNU/Linux. In expecting more from the distribution than from his own knowledge, the author is perpetuating the notion that Linux is hard to learn, hard to use, and hard to adapt to, and that you shouldn't need to have to learn something before you try to use it. It took me YEARS to adapt to Windows from DOS, it took me a couple months to adapt to GNU/Linux. Sorry for the novel. Jerry. I thought it was pretty fair. I, too, know about the full list, and was surprised that he didn't, but it seems to me Mandrake should TELL the user that only the alpha selection is complete. With choice comes confusion, and we accent the benefits of the former by minimizing the latter. Should we really expect the newbies to have to figure it all out like we did? Must they walk 20 miles to school through the snow (like my Dad said he did)? There were things I disagreed with in his review but I didn't think he was going out of his way to be unfair. Remember, he LIKED 8.2. Maybe he'll also like 9.1 and/or 9.2 as well. Mandrake would do well to listen to this kind of constructive, sympathetic review. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Have you got your LM90 preorders?
On 13 Dec 2002, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Is there anybody on this list that has NOT recieved their LM90 preorders? Besides me? I ordered three sets of technical manuals in October and I have not seen them yet. Anybody else going thru this? --LX I got an email a few days ago saying my order was being shipped. Haven't yet received it. They gave me a URL and a tracking number. However, when I clicked on the URL the site I reached was all in French, so I haven't been able to track it. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Have you got your LM90 preorders?
On Fri, 13 Dec 2002, Greg wrote: I got my email saying that also about two weeks ago and I got mine yesterday Greg Bob Read [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got mine today. Dale Huckeby Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Is there anybody on this list that has NOT recieved their LM90 preorders? Besides me? Yes. I received an email from Mandrakestore with apology saying the batch of mis-directed orders would be shipped starting Monday December 2. It has now been more than two weeks since that email. What really gets me is that they have been on the shelves in the local Best Buy store for weeks. I should have waited and bought it locally. Bob -- Bob Read // Registered Linux user #287118 http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/b/e/bestill.htm Soli Deo Gloria-Solus Christus-Sola Gratia-Sola Fide-Sola Scriptura The Church of The Master [Baptist] Providence, Rhode Island http://users.ids.net/~bobread/cotm.htm Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] RPM Difficulties.
On 29 Oct 2002, Langsley T Russell wrote: Without question I find the most frustrating element of Mandrake Linux, the installation of application software. Yesterday I downloaded and installed Amaya HTML editor and browser. I used the Mandrake RPM for version 6.1. Even though my system tells me the installation is complete, I am unable to find it anywhere. I've searched the software manager for anything named amaya and Amaya. I've also searched the file manager for both amaya and Amaya and the only thing I find is the RPM I downloaded. I tried reinstalling but the installer told me I already had everything installed. I tried downloading and installing the Mandrake RPM for Amaya 6.4, and I get the same message, you already have everything installed. That may be true, but where do I find it, so that I can make use of it?! Anybody? TIA Several people have given you good advice. This may sound odd, but it's worked for me quite a few times. Go to the menu. Select Configuration Other Menudrake. In Menudrake select Networking WWW and check the list under Networking and see if Amaya is listed. If it is, click on it to highlight it, then click on the floppy icon above that says Save. Wait until it's done. Then close Menudrake and look through your menu again to see if Amaya is there. You might be surprised to find that it is. By the way, don't look for Amaya in Menudrake only under WWW, although I suspect that's where it will be if it shows up. HTH, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X, nVidia drivers ...
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Rainer wrote: Where can I find those old .29xx drivers? thanks. Go to http://www.nvidia.com/ Click on Download Drivers Click on Linux Display Drivers Choose second rather than first driver in list. That will take you to the download page for the 2960 driver files. Good luck! Dale Huckeby - Original Message - From: Dale Huckeby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] X, nVidia drivers ... . . . OK, having said all that, many others have got the nvidia drivers working in 9.0 without a hitch. Oh, I'm so envious. I've had devfsd problems before, so anymore I just don't install it. I don't know if uninstalling it will have the same benefit, but it's worth a shot. Also, you've probably already been through this, but if you're using the nvidia 3123 drivers instead of 2960, that's likely your problem right there. The newer drivers screwed my and apparently some others' screens up good. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] X, nVidia drivers ...
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002, Sharrea wrote: On Thursday 24 Oct 2002 4:52 pm, Rainer wrote: after using mdk 8.2 for almost 8 months, i still seem to be unable to get the x server and my nvidia card to coexist peacefully. it took me a couple of months to get it to be relatively stable after the first install. i got the glx and kernel rpms at that time and i believe i had to reinstall the kernel drivers from tar.gz. my news readers still froze after this (pan, mozilla, knode) but the rest seemed alright. recently, i had to reinstall mdk 8.2. i got the latest drivers and my x server won't start at all. checked all the documentation i could find, nvidia readme, mandrake user nvidia section and i'm still at a loss, the config-4 file was fine. after spending about 10 hours on this the easiest thing to do seems to be to reinstall. but i don't want to go through that again unless i have a pretty good idea about what the problem is, and a relatively straight forward solution (this is a newbie speaking!) does 9.0 deal better with the nvidia geforce2 mx/mx 400? i installed red hat 8.0 and the graphics are rock solid so far. i would like to continue with mandrake because i've spent some time with it and know it better but not at the expense of a monitor that freezes regularly. i'd appreciate an honest answer, i know how these distribution biases color peoples judgement. thanks Firstly, I apologise for the long message. rant Well... today I have just spent from 7.15am to 6.45pm (minus 1/2 hour lunch break) trying to get the nvidia drivers working in 9.0 AND STILL NO GO! Didn't have a problem in 8.1. I have been trying to get the drivers working on and off for weeks! I ended up installing RH7.3 (dual boot) just so I can play Quake3 and UT2003. I've tried (and retried each many times), the club rpms, source rpms and the tarballs. I don't know if it has anything to do with it but I'm using the enterprise kernel (1024 MB RAM). I did get the club enterprise rpm with urpmi. After installing the drivers (and editing XF86Config-4) I can start FluxBox, BlackBox, Enlightenment, etc but I can't start Gnome or KDE (I use KDE). I get the following error when trying to start KDE as root or user: msg There was an error setting up inter-process communications for KDE. Tthe message returned by the system was: Could not read network connection list: /home/sharrea/.DCOPserver_tbird.tux.nz__0 Please check that the dcopserver program is running! /msg Then the system takes forever to try to recover when I CTRL+ALT+Backspace but it usually ends up hanging and I use the ALT+SysRq combinations to end process, sync and reboot. Also the KDE apps like kedit, kmail, etc won't run in the other WMs but I can play tuxracer and UT2003. I checked (many times) that the libglx*, libGL.so* and libGLcore* files are installed correctly. I tried all the different options for NvAGP and added all sorts of things to /etc/modules.conf. One thing I noticed is that I only have nvidia0 and nvidiactl in the /dev dir (I don't get nvidia1, nvidia2 or nvidia3, etc). And another thing I noticed is that stopping the devfsd service on boot and editing /etc/lilo.conf to devfs=nomount (+ running /sbin/lilo afterwards) then rebooting doesn't stop devfsd from starting at boot! I've been searching all over the net for answers and trying suggestions given to others with a similar problem but like I said, no go. Anyway I've rebooted and shutdown about 30-40 times today and I've just about had enough so I think I'll just give up on the nvidia drivers for 9.0. Guess I'll just have to use RH : ( /rant OK, having said all that, many others have got the nvidia drivers working in 9.0 without a hitch. Oh, I'm so envious. I've had devfsd problems before, so anymore I just don't install it. I don't know if uninstalling it will have the same benefit, but it's worth a shot. Also, you've probably already been through this, but if you're using the nvidia 3123 drivers instead of 2960, that's likely your problem right there. The newer drivers screwed my and apparently some others' screens up good. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Stop %^$#@$% print job
I seem to recall there was a brief discussion on either the newbie or expert list not too long ago on how to stop a print job and clear the printer's memory (don't want to waste 70 or 80 pages worth of ink), but I haven't been able to find it. Can anyone point me to it, or offer some suggestions? THX, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Stop %^$#@$% print job
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Gavin Rollins wrote: On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:21 pm, Dale Huckeby wrote: I seem to recall there was a brief discussion on either the newbie or expert list not too long ago on how to stop a print job and clear the printer's memory (don't want to waste 70 or 80 pages worth of ink), but I haven't been able to find it. Can anyone point me to it, or offer some suggestions? THX, Dale Huckeby Dale, checking my notes from my Linux Desk Reference book p.178 (bottom) says try this command.. (straight from the book) lprm [-Pprinter] [-] [job#][user.] Remove the specified jobs from the print queue. Example: to remove job 43 from printer lp1: lprm -Plp1 43 job numbers may be obtained via the lpq command. I hope this helps. Alas, I killed the job, but my printer is still printing what it has in memory. Perhaps that command only works if you remove a job from the cue _before_ it starts printing. I've decided to bite the bullet so I can get my printer back. Right now I'm feeding it scrap paper until it clears its buffer. (No scrap ink to feed it, unfortuneately.) Thanks, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Stop %^$#@$% print job
On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 10 Oct 2002 6:00 pm, you wrote: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Gavin Rollins wrote: On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:21 pm, Dale Huckeby wrote: I seem to recall there was a brief discussion on either the newbie or expert list not too long ago on how to stop a print job and clear the printer's memory (don't want to waste 70 or 80 pages worth of ink), but I haven't been able to find it. Can anyone point me to it, or offer some suggestions? THX, Dale Huckeby Dale, checking my notes from my Linux Desk Reference book p.178 (bottom) says try this command.. (straight from the book) lprm [-Pprinter] [-] [job#][user.] Remove the specified jobs from the print queue. Example: to remove job 43 from printer lp1: lprm -Plp1 43 job numbers may be obtained via the lpq command. I hope this helps. Alas, I killed the job, but my printer is still printing what it has in memory. Perhaps that command only works if you remove a job from the cue _before_ it starts printing. I've decided to bite the bullet so I can get my printer back. Right now I'm feeding it scrap paper until it clears its buffer. (No scrap ink to feed it, unfortuneately.) I did have a similar problem yesterday. I killed and unstarted but unwanted (duplicate) printjob from K Configuration Printing Print Job Administration - but it didn/t stop. Nor did switching off the printer to clear the buffer work. Eventually I managed to kill it properly from the CUPS WWW admin tool. HTH I killed it yesterday with the CUPS WWW admin tool, turned it off for _several hours_ yesterday and again today. I just now got home, turned it on, and it's happily printing garbage letters as I speak. Wait! It just stopped! Maybe it _finally_ cleared the buffer. I'm going to try printing a _short_ job and see what happens. Thanks to all of you for the advice, commiseration, etc. Dale Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] bloody Nautilus!
On Wed, 11 Sep 2002, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 14:29:56 -0400, Charles A Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:41:25 +0200 (CEST) Ralph Slooten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome ain't bad ;-) I personally use Fluxbox not really because of Gnome itself, but one of the main reasons why I started looking for alternatives is because of the way Mandrake is making Gnome totally dependant on Natuilus (try uninstalling Nautilus, and rpm tells you it has to take down Gnome and all with it too all for a bloody filemanager). One more time. nautilus is a part gnome. You can not have gnome unless you have nautilus and Mandrake has Nothing to do with this. In Gnome2 nautilus is the Only gnome file mgr. You may use any of the # of others available, but nautilus is the only one that can control the gnome desktop. In GNOME 1.4, Nautilus was basically tacked on. It can be forcibly removed without any ill-effects. I have a GNOME 1.4 system running like this and I've had no problems. GNOME 2 is a different kettle of fish. There, Nautilus is an integral part of GNOME, just as Konqueror is part of KDE, or Windows Explorer (not IE) is part of Windows. It is needed for things like the Control Centre. However, just like in GNOME 1.4, you can turn Nautilus' desktop management off in its preferences. Then, it will only be accessed when it is truly needed. Nautilus in GNOME 2 is _much_ faster and lighter than its predecessor, and I've seen little reason to remove it from my GNOME 2 desktop. Same here. I was _very_ critical of Nautilus awhile back until you told me how to turn it off. Now that the deadwood code has been removed it's _much_ faster in 2.0 and I'm very happy with it. I built a linux box for my grandchildren, daughter, and ex which I delivered yesterday. I sat down and started Gnome from the command-line from their mother's login, started the background configurator from the menu, started Nautilus and double- clicked on her Wallpaper directory (made one for each of them). When the thumbnails popped up their eyes bugged out. When they saw me dragging and dropping thumbnails to the little rectangle on the configurator gui, and saw each image instantly becoming the desktop background, oohs and aahs filled the room. They had a blast personalizing their own desktops and spent the rest of the evening fighting over computer time. One more Linux family. (My other daughter's computer, and her husband's computer, are also windoz free. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] screwed (but workable) partitions
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Marc Audard wrote: . . . I have Win ME and LM 8.2 (updated from LM 8.0). But indeed I would like to overwrite LM8.2 with RH, not that I dislike LM, but I need RH for some ``supported'' packages (looks like Win!!) . . . Regarding the answer of Civileme: So Mandrake allows that. OK. But is there a way now to ``fix'' this, or do I have to live along with this? Or should I reinstall Linux Mandrake setting hda4 as Logical? Marc Like some of the others, I'm puzzled, which might just be my ignorance showing. Here's your partition table from an earlier post (I've tightened up the spacing to improve visibility: Partition Table for /dev/hda FirstLast # Type Sector Sector Offset Length Filesystem Type (ID) Flags -- --- - -- - -- - 3 Primary0 433754 63 433755 Linux (83) None (00) 1 Primary 433755 9622934 0 9189180 Win95 FAT32 (LBA) (0C) Boot (80) 2 Primary 9622935 39070079 0 29447145 Extended (05) None (00) 5 Logical 9622935 11181239 63 1558305 Linux swap (82)None (00) 4 Primary 11181240 11984489 0 803250 Linux (83) None (00) 6 Logical 11984490 20161574 63 8177085 Linux (83) None (00) 7 Logical 20161575 39070079 63 18908505 Linux (83) None (00) So the extended hda2 partition (which actually I was never able to see during the installation of Mandrake 8.0 or 8.2) encompasses the Linux ext2 partitions hda3-hda7. It doesn't look to me like it encompasses hda3, which *precedes* it, if I'm not mistaken. That's the first thing that seems odd to me, that you seem to have chopped off both the back *and* the front of your original windows partition. It looks to me like you started out with the original windows partition, reduced it, then made the rest of the disk an extended primary partition (which would normally have been) divided into several logical partitions. However, you tried to designate at least two of those logical partitions as primary, which in my inexperienced eyes breaks the logic of the system. I'm wondering if the primary between 0 and 433754 is DiskDrake's way of avoiding the contradition of making a *part* of an extended primary a primary partition itself, by taking a chunk out of the windows partition and thus staying out of the 9622935 to 39070079 extended partition which I wouldn't think could *contain* a primary. But then you designated *another* of the contained partitions as primary, and apparently this time DiskDrake said, OOOkay, if that's what you want. But I'm not surprised RedHat wouldn't swallow it. Why is Mandrake able to work on such a partition table? Good question. Like Civeleme said, it must be pretty damned robust. What I did: a) reduce the Win partition b) create manually (using the diskdrake tool at the installation step) partitions c) and that was all! All you did, it appears to me, was ask it to make primary partitions out of partitions which were themselves part of an extended primary partition, which in my admittedly limited understanding is a bad thing to do. . . . Regarding the answer of Civileme: So Mandrake allows that. OK. But is there a way now to ``fix'' this, or do I have to live along with this? Or should I reinstall Linux Mandrake setting hda4 as Logical? Marc It would make sense to try that, at least according to my quite possibly mistaken understanding of the logic of partitioning. However, RedHat has several times barfed on my Mandrake partitions, and I'm pretty sure I had had an hda1 primary at /, hda2 primary swap, hda3 primary at /home, and a primary extended into logical partitions hda5 at /usr and hda6 at /var (if I remember correctly). I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem, but it said each time that it couldn't read the partition table. I've been attributing it to the fact that the Mandrake partitions were ReiserFS, but I don't know. So you might still have to wipe. Of course, my analysis is probably full of holes, since I don't know much about partitioning except by trying to logic it out. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: [newbie] Problem with LM 9.0
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Peter Watson wrote: I haven't been too interested in joining Mandrake Club, but would sign up for $10/mo for a year if the funds could be earmarked for civileme's salary. Any chance of this happening if others wanted to do the same thing? Dale Huckeby I emailed Jacques Le Marois (Mandrakesoft CEO) to say how disappointed I was at the news of Civilemes layoff. His reply really said they are not yet generating sufficient revenue and need to take these unpleasant measures, could I suggest any revenue generating ideas, perhaps a special club membership. Anyone up for a Civileme Club membership??? Regards Pete Yes. How can we set it up? Would we have to contact Ms. Marois again? How many people, and how many $ would have to be committed before it became a reality? Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Fwd: [newbie] Problem with LM 9.0
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 15:43:50 -0800 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] scribbled intuitively: Well, the problem is bugs in the current revision and it is up to Mandrakesoft to fix them. My involvement with the fixing process is becoming distant as I struggle to complete a few more testing tools before my lay-off is effective. (two days hence). I haven't been too interested in joining Mandrake Club, but would sign up for $10/mo for a year if the funds could be earmarked for civileme's salary. Any chance of this happening if others wanted to do the same thing? I agree with those who think he's an asset to this list and Mandrakesoft. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Fonts
Hope this is a simple question (sometimes seems nothing in Linux ever is)? How do you change and/or resize the fonts used on the Gnome desktop? I'm running Mandrake 8.2. I tried drakfont and it talked about installing fonts, but it's not clear to me if *installing* a font is the same as *using* it, or just makes it available. I tried Gnome Control Center System Font. Up popped the 0.11.0 prerelease of the Ximian Setup Tools, telling me the program might have serious bugs that might render my computer PRACTICALLY USELESS (shudder). So I clicked on ok and another window popped up telling me that the platform you are running is not supported, although I could click on one of the listed supported platforms if I was sure mine worked the same way. Feeling brave, I click on Linux Mandrake 8.0 Traktopel. Bingo! I get a screen with a list of fonts and sizes -- apparently. Problem is, I select something and the apply box remains greyed out. So I click on Add font and up pops a Select file or dir box. Now, I would have THOUGHT that the fonts listed were in the path or in some sense available to be selected, as is, but maybe I'm guilty of having a windows mindset. So what do I do now? Do I comb through the fonts directories until I find what I *think* is *maybe* the font and size I've selected? Or is it not that simple? I would be happy to RTFM if I knew which effin manual would lead me in the smallest circle. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Posting Saga Resolved
On 16 Jul 2002, Chuck Stuettgen wrote: I am posting this message so to let others know there is a solution available for those who have to deal with ISP's that are run by brain-dead morons. I had a similar experience. The cable company I'm using for broadband (for reasons I won't go into here) apparently has their mail server misconfigured in a way that makes it impossible for Linux-based machines to download email. I tried fetchmail and every mail client I could think of. Calls to tech support were met by, We don't support Linux. So I continued to use my old provider (evansville.net) for email, and use the cable company for the connection. Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake_Desk (Grrrr!)
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Damian G wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2002 11:22:06 -0500 (CDT) Dale Huckeby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my first post to the list. Can anyone tell me how to install Gnome and Kde, but especially Gnome, without having Mandrake_Desk shoved down my throat. I can't even install Midnight Commander without it, for Chrissakes! This is for 8.1. If I can't get my desktop to be MY desktop, I'm going back to 7.2, which unlike 8.1 is lean and mean, or to another distro. Thanks, Dale Huckeby mandrake desk? wth are you talking about? if you are having a lot of trouble installing KDE by yourself ( BTW there are howto's Everywhere! try any mandrake related site...), try booting the installation CD, make no changes to the filesystems, choose only KDE and GNOME related packages, and install... HTH I appreciate the thought, but no, it doesn't. I'm NOT having trouble installing KDE all by myself, or Gnome either, for that matter. I've installed 7.2 dozens of times and 8.1 four or five. The problem is the way Mandrake 8.1 tries to take over the desktop. With 7.2, in Gnome, I could drag and drop icons from the menus to the desktop, a very nice feature. With 8.1 I can't. When it loads I can see the blue background screen, then my wallpaper covers it, then another blue screen covers that, then my wallpaper again covers the whole mess, this time with the Mandrake icons rather than the ones I'm used to. And these icons can't be changed, at least not by the methods I'm used to, nor can I drag and drop from the menus. I'm assuming, perhaps erroneously, that the difference between this and the previous behavior is the Mandrake_Desk package, which didn't exist in 7.2. There are other aggravations, too, but I'll spare you. Regards, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake_Desk (Grrrr!)
On Sat, 25 May 2002, shane wrote: On Saturday 25 May 2002 09:22 am, Dale Huckeby opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: This is my first post to the list. Can anyone tell me how to install Gnome and Kde, but especially Gnome, without having Mandrake_Desk shoved down my throat. I can't even install Midnight Commander without it, for Chrissakes! This is for 8.1. If I can't get my desktop to be MY desktop, I'm going back to 7.2, which unlike 8.1 is lean and mean, or to another distro. if by mandrake_desk you mean the rpm, well it is only some icons and backgrounds. don't use them, choose other theme/styles, delete the mandrake shortcuts, whatever. but 800k of icons and backgrounds seems like a poor reason to go back a few versions to me. If it's only some icons and backgrounds, why does Mandrake threaten to uncheck so many other packages, such as GMC and MC, when I uncheck it? It's not just 800k of icons and backgrounds. It's an overall difference in behavior between 7.2 and 8.1. With 7.2 I type in my userid, then my password (at the console), and Bam!, I have a prompt. With 8.1 it takes about 10 seconds. With 7.2, in Gnome, I can put in one of the install CDs, double-click on the CD icon, and GMC pops up and in very short order I can browse RPMs. In 8.1 the same actions bring up Nautilus, which is a bloated pig of a program, and I wait and wait while it loads the same info in about three times the time it takes GMC. Granted, this is Gnome rather than Mandrake per se, but this graphics intensive, take the poor dumb user by the hand attitude seems to permeate the latest version. In 7.2, for instance, if I wanted to run a program that needed root permission while in a GUI as user, up pops a window that lets me type in root's password, then the program itself comes up. Now, after I type in root's password, nothing happens, so I have to exit the GUI, type, say, xinit /usr/bin/startgnome from a root console, then watch the GUI scold me for running it in root as I do what I tried to do unsuccessfully from the user GUI. Can you spell b-u-g? Don't get me wrong. I have used and loved Mandrake for several years. And I appreciate that one of the 8.1 wizards was able to recognize that my new ISP (I just moved cross-country) required a PAP login with the password twice, not once, something tech help (We don't support Linux) was too incompetent to tell me, and thus got the connection going. But Mandrake_Desk, if that's the package that's doing it, interposes an extra layer of control over the desktop, giving me the icons IT wants me to have and taking away some of the functionality I had in 7.2. The reason I abandoned Microshaft several years ago in the first place was that, in addition to MS's outrageous corporate behavior, I got tired of having my software dictate to me. Well, 8.1 is getting uncomfortably close to that same sort of behavior. It's buggy, it's bloated, it's slow, and it's too inclined to take me, the user, by the hand because it knows so much better than me what's good for me. Just my subjective impression, of course. That's why I'm seriously considering going back to 7.2, or even Redhat (again), or SUSE, or Slackware, or even Debian. Dale Huckeby ps. I'm also thinking of reinstalling 7.2, and then upgrading specific packages, such as replacing the older Gnome with 1.4. But the point is, I want *only* Gnome 1.4, without Mandrake's own desktop aps trying to run the show. The problem with this is the (shudder) download time over a dialup connection. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake_Desk (Grrrr!)
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Roger Sherman wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2002, Dale Huckeby wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2002, Damian G wrote: On Sat, 25 May 2002 11:22:06 -0500 (CDT) Dale Huckeby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is my first post to the list. Can anyone tell me how to install Gnome and Kde, but especially Gnome, without having Mandrake_Desk shoved down my throat. I can't even install Midnight Commander without it, for Chrissakes! This is for 8.1. If I can't get my desktop to be MY desktop, I'm going back to 7.2, which unlike 8.1 is lean and mean, or to another distro. Thanks, Dale Huckeby mandrake desk? wth are you talking about? if you are having a lot of trouble installing KDE by yourself ( BTW there are howto's Everywhere! try any mandrake related site...), try booting the installation CD, make no changes to the filesystems, choose only KDE and GNOME related packages, and install... HTH I appreciate the thought, but no, it doesn't. I'm NOT having trouble installing KDE all by myself, or Gnome either, for that matter. I've installed 7.2 dozens of times and 8.1 four or five. The problem is the way Mandrake 8.1 tries to take over the desktop. With 7.2, in Gnome, I could drag and drop icons from the menus to the desktop, a very nice feature. With 8.1 I can't. When it loads I can see the blue background screen, then my wallpaper covers it, then another blue screen covers that, then my wallpaper again covers the whole mess, this time with the Mandrake icons rather than the ones I'm used to. And these icons can't be changed, at least not by the methods I'm used to, nor can I drag and drop from the menus. I'm assuming, perhaps erroneously, that the difference between this and the previous behavior is the Mandrake_Desk package, which didn't exist in 7.2. There are other aggravations, too, but I'll spare you. Regards, Dale Huckeby Have you thought about trying 8.2? I bought the 7.2 powerpack several years ago. I turned my daughter and son-in-law on to Linux, they bought the 8.1 poerpack, and I burned copies and installed from that. But having just moved and not having a job yet, I don't have the wherewithall to buy 8.2, and I'm a little chary of the download time and possible difficulties in upgrading to 8.2. But yes, it's still an option that I should consider. Thanks for mentioning it. I hope it fixes some of 8.1's bugs, such as refusing to give me the console resolution I ask for during setup, or even by editing the relevant GRUB file in the /boot directory. If I want 80 by 23, I can only get it by using the nonfb image. Thanks, Dale Huckeby Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New dumb CLI question
From the command line. I use ifup ppp0 to establish a connection, and ifdown ppp0 to kill it. Actually, I've put aliases in my .bashrc for u and o, so that's what I type, but those commands are what they stand for. Dale Huckeby On Sat, 25 May 2002, darklord wrote: On Saturday 25 May 2002 10:57 pm, you wrote: How do I restart my Internet Daemon from a Term window? I am using the MDK Control Center atm cause i keep getting cut-off (still don't know why). Its rather tedious i'd rather just enter a few commands a prompt. Ty. Femme Hey. If you're using KDE (or the KDE stuff) then you can do a: kppp and it will give you the usual interface for logging on to the 'Net. You should also be able to use /usr/sbin/pppd. I'm not sure about the syntax (read the man files) as I've never used it like that... HTHs... ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
