Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
- Original Message - From: The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2003 23:48 Subject: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions 09/06/03 Hello All, Perhaps the problems I was having installing MDK 9.1 was due to my hardware being below minimum specs for 9.1 My current hardware: ASUS P2B motherboard with 350MHz PII and 128MB Ram So I have two options: 1) locate a previous distribution of MDK that will work with this 1998 hardware, or 2) upgrade the motherboard, cpu, and ram. (If doing the hardware upgrade, I'd like to keep the total cost down to $200 USD due.) My internet connection is now 28.8kps modem, and I have no CD Rom burner. So if the suggestions are for an earlier distribution, I'll need to be able to make a boot floppy to perform a hardware install. Thanks All, Stephen. Champaign, IL USA if you really want decent performance on a budget, you should get more ram. the P2-350 is really quite okay for Mandrake 9.1. bumping ram up to 192mb will do nicely for most pp, altho since you already have 128, it makes much more sense to purchase an additional 256mb given current ram prices. (of course, if you're not a typical user, eg do heavy graphics editing etc, then you definitely need a much faster cpu) that said, 128mb is still enuff for running mandrake 9.1, and the Asus P2-B is a very stable and capable board with a very recognised chipset, therefore whatever installation problems are unlikely to be related to the motherboard or cpu. luck. p.s. i was running mdk 9.1 on a P-II 300mhz with 96 mb ram using KDE. it was definitely no speedster, but it wasn't unbearably slow either. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
Michael Lothian wrote: Your best bet is going to be a motherboard that uses a via chipset (as apposed to an nvidea one) As these are very well supported under linux. Maybe your best going for a KT400 instead of the newer KT600 as linux is always a little behind in supporting new features. As most motherboard manufacturers stick to the standard chipset from via and don't substitute them for others everything should work out the box. It's only when the manufacturer decides that sticking some cheep network/sound/name_of_device_here chip instead that people have problems in linux. Also people can have trouble with Nvideas stuff as they require drivers which aren't GPLd (IFAIK) which means if you try and change your kernel without setting up your drivers again linux won't boot up :( I think that was everything. In short buy a very popular board that uses a via chipset as more linux people will use them and write drivers for them. ;) If you don't use a soundcard, check that the onboard soundchip on a via baord works under Mandrake. Some boards have really cruddy soundchips that require not only that you install a bunch of drivers (in Windows, anyway) but install them in the right order and before you install various other drivers. I couldn't get my mother's sound chip to work under Linux - but there again I couldn't get it to work under Windows either ;-) Sir Robin -- There are other rules, but you'll find out what those are when you break them. - Blake's 7 Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 01:11, Frankie wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions On Monday 08 Sep 2003 7:46 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday September 8 2003 11:27 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Most decent HS's now ship with grease, not pads. There's two big problems with pads. They're not as heat transfer efficent as grease, and they deteriorate fairly quickly. Often in just a few months. The hotter the processor runs, the quicker the pads fail. I hate to horn in on this Tom, but you made it too interesting. ;) No problem, the more the merrier. As I said earlier 'never take just one person's advice'. I would like to add that pads are one shots. True. They are designed for one mounting and one only; after that their efficiency is shot. Theoretically pads are supposed to have an advantage over grease, but only if you never upgrade. (i.e., remove the heat sink and put it back with the same pad) Also much of the efficiency advantage is lost comparatively speaking if you use a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3, which is according to test results the best stuff on the market right now. Here we differ. The pads are not as efficient. They soon detiorate, often gettin dried out and baked, split an cracked, almost turned into dust. Even if never disturbed. I've dealt with 'problem hardware', where the pad had burned away to nothin. Even worse, usually on the cache side of the die where it's needed the most. Causing the HS to tip slightly, an then not work for the other side either. As to 'a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3' that's all marketing B$. Radio Shack's $3 tube that'll build several dozens of systems is just as good. Even the little generic silicon based bits of grease they now ship on or with heatsinks is just as good. The XP 3000+ kit (I've overclocked to 2323mhz from 2166), came with a generic HS that had grease already on the HS's base. I judged it too thick an scaped some off. Spread it thinner, cleaned of the excess, an attached it to the cpu. Temps are normal for an overclocked system. They wouldn't be a half degree lower with Arctic Silver. Even in south Texas ;) One more suggestion I have, and I think it's the most important one, wear your static wrist band secured to a valid earth ground while you are inside the machine, so that you will keep your computer equipment in mint condition. LX I don't fool with those things. Work on the system barefoot on a tile floor ... no static. Just touch the case every once'n a while to make sure you're discharged. A few beers doesn't hurt either, MOF it's a prerequisite. 'Sides, soon as I get to pushin hardware to it's limit, it's no longer mint condition ;) All comments noted, thanks. As for static, I've always gone for the plugged in at the wall to earth the box (don't forget we switch our wall boxes here), and always keep skin in contact with box while handling anything. I've never had a fault due to static. I'm very careful, though. FRANKI: I worked for two computer wholesalers, and apart from grounded steel benches, they used no other anti static devices.. and they shipped enormous quantities of ram... both had very low return rates for dud ram, so as long as you take minor precautions, you don't need static straps, just leave the case plugged in, and touch the metal alot. rgds Franki I would like to step in and note this has much more to do with humidity in the air and type of flooring and motions going on around you than most folks might guess. but the safe rules are to properly ground yourself and the box frequently. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 11:23 pm, Michael Lothian wrote: Me works for Tesco Tis a haneous villanious crime to even steal a tin of value beans Mike ;-) But is anyone that desperate g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Tuesday 09 Sep 2003 6:08 am, Frankie wrote: My great great .. great grandfather was shipped to Australia for being a highway robber I am told.. Careful what you say, Franki, you don't want Bill for a neighbourg Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:11:20 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: both had very low return rates for dud ram, so as long as you take minor precautions, you don't need static straps, just leave the case plugged in, and touch the metal alot. Instead of saying touch wood I always say touch metal, and people look at me strange. 'course, they'd look at me strange anyways, being who I am... :-D -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ You have to run as fast as you can just to stay where you are. If you want to get anywhere, you'll have to run much faster. -- Lewis Carroll Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:35:00 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Careful what you say, Franki, you don't want Bill for a neighbourg ROTFLMAO! Good one... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ No matter where I go, the place is always called here. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
The only problem with my SB Live with mandrake was 9.1 thinking it was an Audigy, Hardly Creatives fault. But out of interest what is the linux users choice for decent audio? Mike ed tharp wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 16:40, Michael Lothian wrote: For Intel cpu's, you're on your own. IMO, there hasn't been a decent chipset for Intel processors since the good ol' 440BX. Probly best to use an Intel Retail (not OEM) board for P4's to be on the safe side. Let's be honest. Nvidea, Intel and AOL are all just as bad as Windows. Just for slightly different reasons Mike ;-) you can add creative labs (SoundBlaster) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 6:33 am, Heather/Femme wrote: ya... knife or something will work... scrape off the crap. Alcohol on a qtip works sometimes. Let it dry of course. Grease it up way you go. Funky Femmes OK - I'll try to whip up the courage g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 18:54, Michael Lothian wrote: The only problem with my SB Live with mandrake was 9.1 thinking it was an Audigy, Hardly Creatives fault. But out of interest what is the linux users choice for decent audio? Mike The Academy of St. Martin in the field's symphony orchestra in my backyard - that, or the Vienna Symphony in my front yard. Hard choice to make. Oh, and they have to, HAVE to be playing Beethoven's Pastoral (the Sixth Symphony)...nothing less would do. (I would have chosen the Ninth, but having a heap of German singers in the front or back yard would probably put me in the shits with the neighbours...) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- You can create your own opportunities this week. Blackmail a senior executive. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 08 Sep 2003 6:33 am, Heather/Femme wrote: ya... knife or something will work... scrape off the crap. Alcohol on a qtip works sometimes. Let it dry of course. Grease it up way you go. Funky Femmes OK - I'll try to whip up the courage g Oh yes you're best to buy some Artic Silver III Thermal compound Look here for some ideas http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Materials_27.html it even has the cleaner for your processor. Also where are you in the world (me tries not to make a Carmen Sandiego joke) Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 10:12 am, Michael Lothian wrote: Oh yes you're best to buy some Artic Silver III Thermal compound Look here for some ideas http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Mat erials_27.html it even has the cleaner for your processor. Will do - I've heard of both overclockers and Arctic Silver before. Also where are you in the world (me tries not to make a Carmen Sandiego joke) LOL UK - Yorkshire, to be precise. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 19:12, Michael Lothian wrote: Oh yes you're best to buy some Artic Silver III Thermal compound Look here for some ideas http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Materials_27.html it even has the cleaner for your processor. Also where are you in the world (me tries not to make a Carmen Sandiego joke) Mike Why not just use some Colgate toothpaste or Crest? What ever happened to Superglue? And why just stop there? Check out this link: http://www.dansdata.com/sbs3.htm BTW, she lives in Pommieland with the Pommies - otherwise known as Untitled Kingdom or Brutish Isles; overcrowded overpopulated overpriced cold grey rainy - Oooo, what a nice place to live! Jellied Eels and washed up musicians...hmmm... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Engineering: How will this work? Science: Why will this work? Management: When will this work? Liberal Arts: Do you want fries with that? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 10:59 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 19:12, Michael Lothian wrote: Oh yes you're best to buy some Artic Silver III Thermal compound Look here for some ideas http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_M aterials_27.html it even has the cleaner for your processor. Also where are you in the world (me tries not to make a Carmen Sandiego joke) Mike Why not just use some Colgate toothpaste or Crest? What ever happened to Superglue? And why just stop there? Check out this link: http://www.dansdata.com/sbs3.htm Hey - there's one or two I hadn't thought of there g When replacing screws, remember to tighten everything as if the computer were a major structural component of the Sydney Harbour Bridge. I know people who routinely do this one, though g BTW, she lives in Pommieland with the Pommies - otherwise known as Untitled Kingdom or Brutish Isles; overcrowded Yes - if iyou must have city life, or if you insist on commuting overpopulated possibly overpriced especially in hotels cold often grey frequently rainy especially here in the Pennines - Oooo, what a nice place to live! Yes Jellied Eels and washed up musicians...hmmm... Stephen - for crying out loud, educate those dumb ozzies. Jellied eels barely exist outside a tiny area in the south east. I've never seen one, never mind eaten one g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:33:31 -0600 Heather/Femme [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Grease it up way you go. Oh, Femme, you're so romantic. -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ In the long run we are all dead. -- John Maynard Keynes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Sun, 07 Sep 2003 21:40:20 +0100 Michael Lothian [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Nvidea what's so bad about Nvidia? I have seen far more probs with getting ATI to behave properly, never a peep about Nvidia... -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ You can never tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 00:09, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 6:13 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: o Any decent heatsink and fan will do, but use thermal grease, not a thermal pad. Provide plenty of air movement (ie, case cooling). Often the thermal pad is already attached when you buy the components. Is there a way of cleaning this off so that you can use grease? I've never dared try it. Anne Just my .$02 and just a dab of grease will do to,, a lump might be to much and not transfer heat as well as just a film... and that stuff has legs... it gets everywhere on it's own,,, and if you ever read the Material Safety Data Sheet warnings for that stuff, you would know it is worse than used diesel oil for getting on you and causing cancer later. (I use disposable gloves when using heat sink grease, but I use it for working with semi-conductors carrying 15000 watts for six hours , and buy it in a 4 ounce jar) -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 04:54, Michael Lothian wrote: The only problem with my SB Live with mandrake was 9.1 thinking it was an Audigy, Hardly Creatives fault. But out of interest what is the linux users choice for decent audio? I was referring to the upper corporate managements socio/political dealings. There are plenty of decent audio cards for linux these days, and on-board ac97 qualifies as 'decent' in my book, and is well supported. Mike ed tharp wrote: On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 16:40, Michael Lothian wrote: For Intel cpu's, you're on your own. IMO, there hasn't been a decent chipset for Intel processors since the good ol' 440BX. Probly best to use an Intel Retail (not OEM) board for P4's to be on the safe side. Let's be honest. Nvidea, Intel and AOL are all just as bad as Windows. Just for slightly different reasons Mike ;-) you can add creative labs (SoundBlaster) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
I remember seeing a ausie comedian at the fringe. She said Well if they sent all the criminals to australlia, where there's constant good weather, sand and sea, then just imagine how great the motherland must be Then she arrived in London. Poor thing lol Mike ;-) Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 19:12, Michael Lothian wrote: Oh yes you're best to buy some Artic Silver III Thermal compound Look here for some ideas http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Materials_27.html it even has the cleaner for your processor. Also where are you in the world (me tries not to make a Carmen Sandiego joke) Mike Why not just use some Colgate toothpaste or Crest? What ever happened to Superglue? And why just stop there? Check out this link: http://www.dansdata.com/sbs3.htm BTW, she lives in Pommieland with the Pommies - otherwise known as Untitled Kingdom or Brutish Isles; overcrowded overpopulated overpriced cold grey rainy - Oooo, what a nice place to live! Jellied Eels and washed up musicians...hmmm... stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- Engineering: How will this work? Science: Why will this work? Management: When will this work? Liberal Arts: Do you want fries with that? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 September 2003 04:59 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: BTW, she lives in Pommieland with the Pommies - otherwise known as Untitled Kingdom or Brutish Isles; overcrowded overpopulated overpriced cold grey rainy - Oooo, what a nice place to live! Jellied Eels and washed up musicians...hmmm... stephen kuhn - owner Hey Help out a OL Arkee redneck What is this pommie stuff. OK I know it refers to people in the UK. But Pommie? What is the origin of that term. I guess I first have to figure out what a Pom is. To early in the morning to ponder stuff like this, need another coffee maybe that will help. Marc KM5KW Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 00:21, Marc wrote: On Monday 08 September 2003 04:59 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: BTW, she lives in Pommieland with the Pommies - otherwise known as Untitled Kingdom or Brutish Isles; overcrowded overpopulated overpriced cold grey rainy - Oooo, what a nice place to live! Jellied Eels and washed up musicians...hmmm... stephen kuhn - owner Hey Help out a OL Arkee redneck What is this pommie stuff. OK I know it refers to people in the UK. But Pommie? What is the origin of that term. I guess I first have to figure out what a Pom is. To early in the morning to ponder stuff like this, need another coffee maybe that will help. Originally, it was POHM (Prisoner of Her Majesty), then it was POMPOUS, then it was PRIDE OF HER MAJESTY - ended up being POM...hence pommie - hence whinging pom... (At least that's how it's been splained to me...) stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- There was a vague, unpleasant manginess about his appearence; he somehow seemed dirty, though a close glance showed him as carefully shaven as an actor, and clad in immaculate linen. -- H.L. Mencken, on the death of William Jennings Bryan Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions Getting WAY OT
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:53:38 -0500 Marc [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: 12th Grade Reading Test State of Arkansas Passage of this Test Mandatory for Diploma MR MICE MR DUCKS MR NOT MR NOT OSAR OSAR CM EDBD FEET CM WANGS LIB LIB MR MICE MR DUCKS Them are mice. Them are not. Oh yes they are. See them eee dee bee dee feet. Well I will be. Them are mice MR SNAKESMR FARMERS MR NOT MR NOT OSAR OSAR CM EDBD EYES CM MT POCKETS LIB LIB MR PUPPIES MR NOT OSAR CM PN LIB MR PUPPIES ROTFLMAO -- HaywireMac Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: nodex.sytes.net ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ You can't mend a wristwatch while falling from an airplane. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 11:25, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday September 7 2003 11:09 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 6:13 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: o Any decent heatsink and fan will do, but use thermal grease, not a thermal pad. Provide plenty of air movement (ie, case cooling). Often the thermal pad is already attached when you buy the components. Is there a way of cleaning this off so that you can use grease? I've never dared try it. Anne Use a pancake flipper, specially the ones for coated pans. Be careful not to gouge the heatsink base if it's copper (should be). Clean off the residue with some rubbin alcohol, then apply a thin layer of thermal grease to the cpu's die. The grease is only meant to fill in the lows spots, the HS should sit firmly and squarely in direct contact with the cpu. Anything but a thin layer (about the thickness of a sheet of paper) will be sqeezed out anyhow. Most decent HS's now ship with grease, not pads. There's two big problems with pads. They're not as heat transfer efficent as grease, and they deteriorate fairly quickly. Often in just a few months. The hotter the processor runs, the quicker the pads fail. I hate to horn in on this Tom, but you made it too interesting. ;) I would like to add that pads are one shots. They are designed for one mounting and one only; after that their efficiency is shot. Theoretically pads are supposed to have an advantage over grease, but only if you never upgrade. (i.e., remove the heat sink and put it back with the same pad) Also much of the efficiency advantage is lost comparatively speaking if you use a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3, which is according to test results the best stuff on the market right now. I would also like to add that instead of alchohol, if you want to remove hardened heat grease a better choice for softening and removal is odorless mineral spirits with Q-tips. I found it works better here, probably because heat compound and mineral spirits are both petroleum products. One more suggestion I have, and I think it's the most important one, wear your static wrist band secured to a valid earth ground while you are inside the machine, so that you will keep your computer equipment in mint condition. LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk *Catch Star Trek Enterprise, Wednesdays on UPN* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 02:12, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 18:54, Michael Lothian wrote: The only problem with my SB Live with mandrake was 9.1 thinking it was an Audigy, Hardly Creatives fault. But out of interest what is the linux users choice for decent audio? Mike The Academy of St. Martin in the field's symphony orchestra in my backyard - that, or the Vienna Symphony in my front yard. Hard choice to make. He means Slim Dusty g Oh, and they have to, HAVE to be playing Beethoven's Pastoral (the Sixth Symphony)...nothing less would do. Except meby Boxcar Willie (I would have chosen the Ninth, but having a heap of German singers in the front or back yard would probably put me in the shits with the neighbours...) They are all Slim Dusty fans stephen kuhn - owner == illawarra computer services a kuhn media australia company http://kma.0catch.com -- * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * We expressly refuse to utilise Microsoft DRM encoded documents -- You can create your own opportunities this week. Blackmail a senior executive. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 04:33, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 08 Sep 2003 12:04 pm, ed tharp wrote: and just a dab of grease will do to,, a lump might be to much and not transfer heat as well as just a film... I read that it must be complete coverage, but should be as thin as you can spread it. and that stuff has legs... it gets everywhere on it's own,,, and if you ever read the Material Safety Data Sheet warnings for that stuff, you would know it is worse than used diesel oil for getting on you and causing cancer later. (I use disposable gloves when using heat sink grease, but I use it for working with semi-conductors carrying 15000 watts for six hours , and buy it in a 4 ounce jar) I worked in the chemical industry for years, so I know about taking appropriate precautions. I know MSDSs, too. The best we ever got was one supplied with a bottle of deionised water - it lied! It said that there was no danger from inhalation! check out this http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html Big G Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 10:46:14 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 08 Sep 2003 10:12 am, Michael Lothian wrote: Oh yes you're best to buy some Artic Silver III Thermal compound Look here for some ideas http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/Online_Catalogue_Thermal_Mat erials_27.html it even has the cleaner for your processor. Will do - I've heard of both overclockers and Arctic Silver before. Also where are you in the world (me tries not to make a Carmen Sandiego joke) LOL UK - Yorkshire, to be precise. Anne AFAIK arctic silver is a crock. Any thermal compound will do really. So says an EE friend. (electrical engy). shrugs... however who am I to stop someone from flushing money? :D Queer as Femme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday September 8 2003 11:27 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Most decent HS's now ship with grease, not pads. There's two big problems with pads. They're not as heat transfer efficent as grease, and they deteriorate fairly quickly. Often in just a few months. The hotter the processor runs, the quicker the pads fail. I hate to horn in on this Tom, but you made it too interesting. ;) No problem, the more the merrier. As I said earlier 'never take just one person's advice'. I would like to add that pads are one shots. True. They are designed for one mounting and one only; after that their efficiency is shot. Theoretically pads are supposed to have an advantage over grease, but only if you never upgrade. (i.e., remove the heat sink and put it back with the same pad) Also much of the efficiency advantage is lost comparatively speaking if you use a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3, which is according to test results the best stuff on the market right now. Here we differ. The pads are not as efficient. They soon detiorate, often gettin dried out and baked, split an cracked, almost turned into dust. Even if never disturbed. I've dealt with 'problem hardware', where the pad had burned away to nothin. Even worse, usually on the cache side of the die where it's needed the most. Causing the HS to tip slightly, an then not work for the other side either. As to 'a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3' that's all marketing B$. Radio Shack's $3 tube that'll build several dozens of systems is just as good. Even the little generic silicon based bits of grease they now ship on or with heatsinks is just as good. The XP 3000+ kit (I've overclocked to 2323mhz from 2166), came with a generic HS that had grease already on the HS's base. I judged it too thick an scaped some off. Spread it thinner, cleaned of the excess, an attached it to the cpu. Temps are normal for an overclocked system. They wouldn't be a half degree lower with Arctic Silver. Even in south Texas ;) One more suggestion I have, and I think it's the most important one, wear your static wrist band secured to a valid earth ground while you are inside the machine, so that you will keep your computer equipment in mint condition. LX I don't fool with those things. Work on the system barefoot on a tile floor ... no static. Just touch the case every once'n a while to make sure you're discharged. A few beers doesn't hurt either, MOF it's a prerequisite. 'Sides, soon as I get to pushin hardware to it's limit, it's no longer mint condition ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 4:25 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Sunday September 7 2003 11:09 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 6:13 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: o Any decent heatsink and fan will do, but use thermal grease, not a thermal pad. Provide plenty of air movement (ie, case cooling). Often the thermal pad is already attached when you buy the components. Is there a way of cleaning this off so that you can use grease? I've never dared try it. Anne Use a pancake flipper, specially the ones for coated pans. Be careful not to gouge the heatsink base if it's copper (should be). Clean off the residue with some rubbin alcohol, then apply a thin layer of thermal grease to the cpu's die. The grease is only meant to fill in the lows spots, the HS should sit firmly and squarely in direct contact with the cpu. Anything but a thin layer (about the thickness of a sheet of paper) will be sqeezed out anyhow. Most decent HS's now ship with grease, not pads. There's two big problems with pads. They're not as heat transfer efficent as grease, and they deteriorate fairly quickly. Often in just a few months. The hotter the processor runs, the quicker the pads fail. Duly noted - thanks Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 3:54 pm, Michael Lothian wrote: Really it should be the other way arround prisoner of her majesty (POHM)I belive. As the origional brittish settlers were criminals I belive. They had committed heinous crimes, like stealing a loaf of bread Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 3:53 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 00:21, Marc wrote: On Monday 08 September 2003 04:59 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote: BTW, she lives in Pommieland with the Pommies - otherwise known as Untitled Kingdom or Brutish Isles; overcrowded overpopulated overpriced cold grey rainy - Oooo, what a nice place to live! Jellied Eels and washed up musicians...hmmm... stephen kuhn - owner Hey Help out a OL Arkee redneck What is this pommie stuff. OK I know it refers to people in the UK. But Pommie? What is the origin of that term. I guess I first have to figure out what a Pom is. To early in the morning to ponder stuff like this, need another coffee maybe that will help. Originally, it was POHM (Prisoner of Her Majesty), then it was POMPOUS, then it was PRIDE OF HER MAJESTY - ended up being POM...hence pommie - hence whinging pom... (At least that's how it's been splained to me...) Well, you'd probably know better than me, but I was told that it was a derogatory term of 'potatoe eaters' - 18th century, I understand. May have no truth, though, as I can't even remember who told me. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 7:46 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday September 8 2003 11:27 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Most decent HS's now ship with grease, not pads. There's two big problems with pads. They're not as heat transfer efficent as grease, and they deteriorate fairly quickly. Often in just a few months. The hotter the processor runs, the quicker the pads fail. I hate to horn in on this Tom, but you made it too interesting. ;) No problem, the more the merrier. As I said earlier 'never take just one person's advice'. I would like to add that pads are one shots. True. They are designed for one mounting and one only; after that their efficiency is shot. Theoretically pads are supposed to have an advantage over grease, but only if you never upgrade. (i.e., remove the heat sink and put it back with the same pad) Also much of the efficiency advantage is lost comparatively speaking if you use a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3, which is according to test results the best stuff on the market right now. Here we differ. The pads are not as efficient. They soon detiorate, often gettin dried out and baked, split an cracked, almost turned into dust. Even if never disturbed. I've dealt with 'problem hardware', where the pad had burned away to nothin. Even worse, usually on the cache side of the die where it's needed the most. Causing the HS to tip slightly, an then not work for the other side either. As to 'a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3' that's all marketing B$. Radio Shack's $3 tube that'll build several dozens of systems is just as good. Even the little generic silicon based bits of grease they now ship on or with heatsinks is just as good. The XP 3000+ kit (I've overclocked to 2323mhz from 2166), came with a generic HS that had grease already on the HS's base. I judged it too thick an scaped some off. Spread it thinner, cleaned of the excess, an attached it to the cpu. Temps are normal for an overclocked system. They wouldn't be a half degree lower with Arctic Silver. Even in south Texas ;) One more suggestion I have, and I think it's the most important one, wear your static wrist band secured to a valid earth ground while you are inside the machine, so that you will keep your computer equipment in mint condition. LX I don't fool with those things. Work on the system barefoot on a tile floor ... no static. Just touch the case every once'n a while to make sure you're discharged. A few beers doesn't hurt either, MOF it's a prerequisite. 'Sides, soon as I get to pushin hardware to it's limit, it's no longer mint condition ;) All comments noted, thanks. As for static, I've always gone for the plugged in at the wall to earth the box (don't forget we switch our wall boxes here), and always keep skin in contact with box while handling anything. I've never had a fault due to static. I'm very careful, though. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 Sep 2003 5:08 pm, Aron Smith wrote: On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 04:33, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 08 Sep 2003 12:04 pm, ed tharp wrote: and just a dab of grease will do to,, a lump might be to much and not transfer heat as well as just a film... I read that it must be complete coverage, but should be as thin as you can spread it. and that stuff has legs... it gets everywhere on it's own,,, and if you ever read the Material Safety Data Sheet warnings for that stuff, you would know it is worse than used diesel oil for getting on you and causing cancer later. (I use disposable gloves when using heat sink grease, but I use it for working with semi-conductors carrying 15000 watts for six hours , and buy it in a 4 ounce jar) I worked in the chemical industry for years, so I know about taking appropriate precautions. I know MSDSs, too. The best we ever got was one supplied with a bottle of deionised water - it lied! It said that there was no danger from inhalation! check out this http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html Big G That is one beauty g At least, though, this guy has thought about what he was writing. The MSDS we received was a genuine one, and they had no idea how ridiculous it sounded. Mind you, I don't know how I would have worded the sheet if I had been putting it together (which is something I often did) g Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Monday 08 September 2003 02:46 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: whack Work on the system barefoot on a tile floor ... no static. Just touch the case every once'n a while to make sure you're discharged. A few beers doesn't hurt either, MOF it's a prerequisite. 'Sides, soon as I get to pushin hardware to it's limit, it's no longer mint condition ;) I've always worked barefoot on my PC's at home (nylon carpeting), but most large companies take a very dim view of the practice. Likewise the beer. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 5:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions On Monday 08 Sep 2003 3:54 pm, Michael Lothian wrote: Really it should be the other way arround prisoner of her majesty (POHM)I belive. As the origional brittish settlers were criminals I belive. They had committed heinous crimes, like stealing a loaf of bread Anne -- My great great .. great grandfather was shipped to Australia for being a highway robber I am told.. He mixed with some good old arian blood, and created the superior being you see before you... :-) rgds Franki Mandrake Gamers mailing list: htmlfixit.com/mailman/listinfo/mandrake-games HTML Perl PHP n stuff.. htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions On Monday 08 Sep 2003 7:46 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday September 8 2003 11:27 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Most decent HS's now ship with grease, not pads. There's two big problems with pads. They're not as heat transfer efficent as grease, and they deteriorate fairly quickly. Often in just a few months. The hotter the processor runs, the quicker the pads fail. I hate to horn in on this Tom, but you made it too interesting. ;) No problem, the more the merrier. As I said earlier 'never take just one person's advice'. I would like to add that pads are one shots. True. They are designed for one mounting and one only; after that their efficiency is shot. Theoretically pads are supposed to have an advantage over grease, but only if you never upgrade. (i.e., remove the heat sink and put it back with the same pad) Also much of the efficiency advantage is lost comparatively speaking if you use a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3, which is according to test results the best stuff on the market right now. Here we differ. The pads are not as efficient. They soon detiorate, often gettin dried out and baked, split an cracked, almost turned into dust. Even if never disturbed. I've dealt with 'problem hardware', where the pad had burned away to nothin. Even worse, usually on the cache side of the die where it's needed the most. Causing the HS to tip slightly, an then not work for the other side either. As to 'a superior heat compound like Arctic Silver 3' that's all marketing B$. Radio Shack's $3 tube that'll build several dozens of systems is just as good. Even the little generic silicon based bits of grease they now ship on or with heatsinks is just as good. The XP 3000+ kit (I've overclocked to 2323mhz from 2166), came with a generic HS that had grease already on the HS's base. I judged it too thick an scaped some off. Spread it thinner, cleaned of the excess, an attached it to the cpu. Temps are normal for an overclocked system. They wouldn't be a half degree lower with Arctic Silver. Even in south Texas ;) One more suggestion I have, and I think it's the most important one, wear your static wrist band secured to a valid earth ground while you are inside the machine, so that you will keep your computer equipment in mint condition. LX I don't fool with those things. Work on the system barefoot on a tile floor ... no static. Just touch the case every once'n a while to make sure you're discharged. A few beers doesn't hurt either, MOF it's a prerequisite. 'Sides, soon as I get to pushin hardware to it's limit, it's no longer mint condition ;) All comments noted, thanks. As for static, I've always gone for the plugged in at the wall to earth the box (don't forget we switch our wall boxes here), and always keep skin in contact with box while handling anything. I've never had a fault due to static. I'm very careful, though. FRANKI: I worked for two computer wholesalers, and apart from grounded steel benches, they used no other anti static devices.. and they shipped enormous quantities of ram... both had very low return rates for dud ram, so as long as you take minor precautions, you don't need static straps, just leave the case plugged in, and touch the metal alot. rgds Franki Mandrake Gamers mailing list: htmlfixit.com/mailman/listinfo/mandrake-games HTML Perl PHP n stuff.. htmlfixit.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
I have a PCCHIPS (crap board) PII 350 128 MB and MDK 9.1 works fine. --- On Sat 09/06, The Other [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: The Other [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2003 10:48:28 -0500 Subject: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions 09/06/03brbrHello All,brbrPerhaps the problems I was having installing MDK 9.1 was due to my brhardware being below minimum specs for 9.1brbrMy current hardware: ASUS P2B motherboard with 350MHz PII and 128MB RambrbrSo I have two options: 1) locate a previous distribution of MDK that brwill work with this 1998 hardware, or 2) upgrade the motherboard, cpu, brand ram. (If doing the hardware upgrade, I'd like to keep the total brcost down to $200 USD due.)brbrMy internet connection is now 28.8kps modem, and I have no CD Rom brburner. So if the suggestions are for an earlier distribution, I'll brneed to be able to make a boot floppy to perform a hardware install.brbrThanks All,brStephen.brChampaign, IL USAbrbrbrWant to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? brGo to http://www.mandrakestore.combr ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
09/07/03 Hello All, The first time I installed MDK 9.1, it was in a dual-boot with Win95B and I put the files on the slave drive. The slave drive died. Then the next 2 1/2 months using all available free time was spent trying to get through another successful install. Didn't happen. And the first message that is never printed in the logs, but flashes by the screen when first attempting to install from the CD-Rom was: BIOS data check unsuccessful So what I'm doing now is going through the Mandrake site's list of approved hardware to get something from the Certified list. Shouldn't be any problems with that hardware, right? Is it true that the *only* Mandrake Certified motherboard is the Tyan Tiger MPX ??? This is a dual-processor board. Anyone know if you can run it with a single processor? I believe there were only 7 Mandrake Tested motherboards. I'm running down those right now to see what they're like. Regards, The Other Stephen Stubbs Champaign, IL I have a PCCHIPS (crap board) PII 350 128 MB and MDK 9.1 works fine. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
Your best bet is going to be a motherboard that uses a via chipset (as apposed to an nvidea one) As these are very well supported under linux. Maybe your best going for a KT400 instead of the newer KT600 as linux is always a little behind in supporting new features. As most motherboard manufacturers stick to the standard chipset from via and don't substitute them for others everything should work out the box. It's only when the manufacturer decides that sticking some cheep network/sound/name_of_device_here chip instead that people have problems in linux. Also people can have trouble with Nvideas stuff as they require drivers which aren't GPLd (IFAIK) which means if you try and change your kernel without setting up your drivers again linux won't boot up :( I think that was everything. In short buy a very popular board that uses a via chipset as more linux people will use them and write drivers for them. ;) Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 09/07/03 Hello All, The first time I installed MDK 9.1, it was in a dual-boot with Win95B and I put the files on the slave drive. The slave drive died. Then the next 2 1/2 months using all available free time was spent trying to get through another successful install. Didn't happen. And the first message that is never printed in the logs, but flashes by the screen when first attempting to install from the CD-Rom was: BIOS data check unsuccessful So what I'm doing now is going through the Mandrake site's list of approved hardware to get something from the Certified list. Shouldn't be any problems with that hardware, right? Is it true that the *only* Mandrake Certified motherboard is the Tyan Tiger MPX ??? This is a dual-processor board. Anyone know if you can run it with a single processor? I believe there were only 7 Mandrake Tested motherboards. I'm running down those right now to see what they're like. Regards, The Other Stephen Stubbs Champaign, IL I have a PCCHIPS (crap board) PII 350 128 MB and MDK 9.1 works fine. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 7, 2003 07:15 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 1:43 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe there were only 7 Mandrake Tested motherboards. I'm running down those right now to see what they're like. Regards, The Other Stephen Stubbs Champaign, IL Attached is a collection of bits from list traffic, that may help you Anne Hi; Since Anne included some of my insanity in that attachment I guess I'm entitled to an opinion. ;) Recent installs/builds for friends, starting with a budget system for a neighbor: ECS KVSOM (Duron 1300) working acceptably, no AGP slot. ABit KT7 (different models Raid and non -R) Excellent performance Asus various with AMD and VIA chipsets as above Tyan and Soyo boards, dredge the archives. I haven't built any systems with either for almost a year. I've also used various Gigabyte boards for systems. More than adequate, but as always I tend to stay away from the bare budget boards 'cause I don't like having problems. The last three systems I stuck together for people were based on Asus and ABit dual processor boards. They use the same AMD chipsets and both are more than adequate, the Asus seems to perform slightly better in the real world. Stay away from anything with an N-Force chipsetfor now. Unless you're comfortable building and patching for the nv-net (ethernet) and other gotchas. My son has an N-Force2 board that works amazingly well, but I still wouldn't recommend them for anyone that classes their skill levels at Gnubie. HTH Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-5mdk 10:00:53 up 1 day, 43 min, 1 user, load average: 0.31, 0.15, 0.05 Lay off the muses, it's a very tough dollar. -- S.J. Perelman -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/W1sAG11CaRuZZSIRAk9LAKCkDMxkGqgC7vNe7cbNajGbL/RXkgCghsYK pkOJ+EBYIQX2iBiht7czoIQ= =UGMX -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Sunday September 7 2003 09:39 am, Michael Lothian wrote: Your best bet is going to be a motherboard that uses a via chipset (as apposed to an nvidea one) As these are very well supported under linux. Maybe your best going for a KT400 instead of the newer KT600 as linux is always a little behind in supporting new features. As most motherboard manufacturers stick to the standard chipset from via and don't substitute them for others everything should work out the box. It's only when the manufacturer decides that sticking some cheep network/sound/name_of_device_here chip instead that people have problems in linux. Also people can have trouble with Nvideas stuff as they require drivers which aren't GPLd (IFAIK) which means if you try and change your kernel without setting up your drivers again linux won't boot up :( I think that was everything. In short buy a very popular board that uses a via chipset as more linux people will use them and write drivers for them. ;) Mike I'd agree. nforce boards are not for Linux. Let the Windoze users buy 'em. I've never liked anything SiS. So that leaves VIA. A few weeks ago I bought an Aopen AK77-400/Max. On board Realtek NIC and AC97 5.1 surround sound, KT400a chipset. Mandrake 9.2 cooker booted with the new board, found and properly configured the NIC and sound. No muss no fuss with anything. KT400a meets or beats nforce chipsets for performance. But those are Windoze hardware reviews. So when it comes to pickin a motherboard, o Don't be guided by Windoze hardware reviews o For AMD, only buy a motherboard on their recommended list. The ones not listed, aren't listed for very good reasons. Tho for the very latest cpu's (eg, XP 3000+, XP 3200+), some motherboard brands just might not have been AMD tested yet. o Only use a PSU and wattage that's AMD recommended. http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_869_4348,00.html o Keep in mind that ram is just as important, don't use generic. (Crucial or Corsair is currently the best) Buy one grade above what's required, eg, DDR400 when DDR333 is required. This is very important. o Motherboards that allow for increasing voltages with bios settings are a big plus, even if you don't overclock. Greatly enhances stability, specially for cpu, ram, and AGP cards. Some of the better boards provide increased voltages by default if they don't have bios settings to raise them. o IMO, an Award bios is a plus. Avoid Phoenix. o Any decent heatsink and fan will do, but use thermal grease, not a thermal pad. Provide plenty of air movement (ie, case cooling). o Study bios settings an what they affect. So you can configure and tweak the system properly. Many hardware problems are really just configuration mistakes. o Don't just take one person's advice ;) For Intel cpu's, you're on your own. IMO, there hasn't been a decent chipset for Intel processors since the good ol' 440BX. Probly best to use an Intel Retail (not OEM) board for P4's to be on the safe side. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
For Intel cpu's, you're on your own. IMO, there hasn't been a decent chipset for Intel processors since the good ol' 440BX. Probly best to use an Intel Retail (not OEM) board for P4's to be on the safe side. Let's be honest. Nvidea, Intel and AOL are all just as bad as Windows. Just for slightly different reasons Mike ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 16:40, Michael Lothian wrote: For Intel cpu's, you're on your own. IMO, there hasn't been a decent chipset for Intel processors since the good ol' 440BX. Probly best to use an Intel Retail (not OEM) board for P4's to be on the safe side. Let's be honest. Nvidea, Intel and AOL are all just as bad as Windows. Just for slightly different reasons Mike ;-) you can add creative labs (SoundBlaster) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
For Intel cpu's, you're on your own. IMO, there hasn't been a decent chipset for Intel processors since the good ol' 440BX. 09/07/03 Thanks Anne for the motherboard text file, and to the others who have already replied and to those about to reply. Tom, My ASUS P2B is using the Intel 440BX AGPset. Do I get a prize? Time for more research on this subject. The Other. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 5:21 pm, Charlie M. wrote: Since Anne included some of my insanity in that attachment I guess I'm entitled to an opinion. ;) Since I hope to build again in a few weeks, that one gets filed, too g Thanks, Charlie. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 6:13 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: o Any decent heatsink and fan will do, but use thermal grease, not a thermal pad. Provide plenty of air movement (ie, case cooling). Often the thermal pad is already attached when you buy the components. Is there a way of cleaning this off so that you can use grease? I've never dared try it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 7, 2003 10:05 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 5:21 pm, Charlie M. wrote: Since Anne included some of my insanity in that attachment I guess I'm entitled to an opinion. ;) Since I hope to build again in a few weeks, that one gets filed, too g Thanks, Charlie. Anne You're very welcome Anne. If anything I babble is ever useful to anyone you (and they) are more than welcome to it. Regards; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-6mdk 22:39:32 up 8 min, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.44, 0.31 Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper. -- Thomas Jefferson -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/XAhXG11CaRuZZSIRAjg/AKCZsMkbLsjMuDsjgwYE0++a0ZiHCQCfVaed XUAPBysSR+blsjXQ2LPyjKo= =2y05 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:09:12 +0100 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday 07 Sep 2003 6:13 pm, Tom Brinkman wrote: o Any decent heatsink and fan will do, but use thermal grease, not a thermal pad. Provide plenty of air movement (ie, case cooling). Often the thermal pad is already attached when you buy the components. Is there a way of cleaning this off so that you can use grease? I've never dared try it. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? ya... knife or something will work... scrape off the crap. Alcohol on a qtip works sometimes. Let it dry of course. Grease it up way you go. Funky Femmes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
09/06/03 Hello All, Perhaps the problems I was having installing MDK 9.1 was due to my hardware being below minimum specs for 9.1 My current hardware: ASUS P2B motherboard with 350MHz PII and 128MB Ram So I have two options: 1) locate a previous distribution of MDK that will work with this 1998 hardware, or 2) upgrade the motherboard, cpu, and ram. (If doing the hardware upgrade, I'd like to keep the total cost down to $200 USD due.) My internet connection is now 28.8kps modem, and I have no CD Rom burner. So if the suggestions are for an earlier distribution, I'll need to be able to make a boot floppy to perform a hardware install. Thanks All, Stephen. Champaign, IL USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
Perhaps the problems I was having installing MDK 9.1 was due to my hardware being below minimum specs for 9.1 Stephen - is it really the hardware -- do you get install failures -- or do you think that maybe some of the programs require too much CPU and/or memory? For instance, you should be able to get by if you don't run a big hog of a desktop/windows manager -- install run fluxbox or some other lightweight window manager. Back several (cough) years ago when I only had 16 megs RAM on a P/100, I used to run Afterstep. And, I was in hog heaven, because my previous system was a 386sx/16 with 8 megs of RAM. 128 megs should be enough RAM to complete the install. There is a tech issue apparently for systems with less RAM, in that there's not enough RAM to hold the image of the CDROM. Consequently, only one disk can get installed. But you should be fine with 128mb. So I have two options: 1) locate a previous distribution of MDK that will work with this 1998 hardware, or 2) upgrade the motherboard, cpu, 7.2 has been suggested to be very stable. My own experiences with it on my current system (1 ghz athlon, 256 meg ram, matrox fb, etc.) -- and which is the same system I used when I switched to 7.2 -- is that it was very stable. 6+ months uptime. and ram. (If doing the hardware upgrade, I'd like to keep the total cost down to $200 USD due.) Yeah, I'm on a budget too. So far, I've managed to do significant hardware upgrades roughly once every five years. I would check pricewatch.com -- I'd suggest an ASUS along with an AMD processor -- you could do well with something in the 1.7+ gig range. Back in 2001 when I upgraded, the CPU was $200. ;( But Intels were probably at least twice that. My brother recently paid over $400 for a Pentium IV 3.0 ghz. Stephen. Champaign, IL USA David E. Fox Thanks for letting me [EMAIL PROTECTED]change magnetic patterns [EMAIL PROTECTED] on your hard disk. --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
Perhaps the problems I was having installing MDK 9.1 was due to my hardware being below minimum specs for 9.1 My current hardware: ASUS P2B motherboard with 350MHz PII and 128MB Ram So I have two options: 1) locate a previous distribution of MDK that will work with this 1998 hardware, or 2) upgrade the motherboard, cpu, I have a pentium 1, 200MHz. It runs slowly, but it dos run. -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Join the content organization discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/NewIndex Join the General Wiki Development discussion: http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/DevelopingTheMandrakeCommunity#Discussion Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Request Motherboard and CPU suggestions
On Saturday 06 Sep 2003 5:20 pm, Eric Huff wrote: Perhaps the problems I was having installing MDK 9.1 was due to my hardware being below minimum specs for 9.1 My current hardware: ASUS P2B motherboard with 350MHz PII and 128MB Ram So I have two options: 1) locate a previous distribution of MDK that will work with this 1998 hardware, or 2) upgrade the motherboard, cpu, I have a pentium 1, 200MHz. It runs slowly, but it dos run. That's odd. I have a 900 Athlon, and speed isn't an problem. I do have 512MB RAM though. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
