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On Mon, 2003-03-03 at 15:29, Guy Rouillier wrote: I run both and Win2k as well. Win2K is the best Windows, IMHO. I absolutely concur. I have XP courtesy of an MSDN subscription (which I am seriously considering to let lapse) and I've never installed it. From what I can see, it is just window dressing. No new functionality, but a lot of frills which slow down the interface. I have to disagree with that - XP does have quite a bit of new functionality built into it - and, IMHO, does have better performance overall than Win2k. NOT THAT I'M TOUTING M$ WINDOWSXP, y'all - but being that I have to service/support/install/configure it constantly, this is what I deal with. XP DOES have quite a bit of eye-candy, but overall, it can be made to fly IF one prepares the installation properly and IF one configures the system from the get-go. Stability and performance can outdo Win2k - but as stated, it's a matter of tuning, tweaking and thinking. Still, though, I run linux on my personal stuff - safer overall, far more stable, far more secure, far less intrusive. -- Tue, 4 Mar 2003 07:55:00 +1100 7:55am up 10:48, 2 users, load average: 0.04, 0.14, 0.16 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Most EULA's are not legal contracts. In civilised countries the right to disassemble is enshrined in law (ironically it comes in Europe from trying to keep car manufacturers from running monopolistic scams not from the software people doing the same) In the USA its a lot less clear. You can find laws explicitly claiming both, and since US law is primarily about who has loads of money, its a bit irrelevant - Alan Cox explaining EULA's on linux-kernel Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I'd have to agree on this part. I didn't even know you could put XP on a machine with such little ram, especially when M$'s requirements are 128 MB at least. And where I work, we even have computers with 512 MB or ram running XP Pro, and it can crawl sometimes when running multiple apps. As from my personal experience, mdk 9.0 boots up FAR faster than XP (a stock install, nothing modified, using a Cisco Aironet 350 wireless network card), and even my iBook with OS 10.1.4 on it. I am booted and logged in ready to run apps before my mac or my co-worker's XP machine are even finished booting. He has a Dell Precision with a 2 GHz CPU, and 256 MB of ram .. I have a Dell Latitude C610 with only a 1 GHz CPU, and only 128 MB of ram. Just my $0.02 worth. Terry --- are you trying to convert us ? even if speed would be better on my box , I will NEVER put xp on it. I hate windows on so many levels so speed means nothing to me . besides I run a 1.466 gig cpu , and mandrake has always been faster than any windows product for me. snippity-snip -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 02 March 2003 07:01 am, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Well Andrew, I have a question for you: R U a Troll? I've seen this same message a couple of times now. In fact, as is per normal for this list, it received excellantly reasoned and constructed responses. -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 3:31 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2003 07:01 am, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Well Andrew, I have a question for you: R U a Troll? I've seen this same message a couple of times now. In fact, as is per normal for this list, it received excellantly reasoned and constructed responses. LOL Something went wrong I think somewhere. Sorry :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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In my opinion - If you are going to say Mandrake SUX (Which it doesn't) back up your statement with clear and concise reasons then perhaps you may get an inteligent responce This is a forum for discussing problems and getting resolutions. Best of luck in the future On this note: Has anyone had installer issues with Dual CPU/via chipset/nvidia graphics cards? My workstation is being rather flaky. System Info: Dual 1.0 GHz p3 Via 694XDP Chipset 1 Gig of ram NVidia GeForce 4 Ti4200 128megs Promose ATA 100 RAID Controller (FastTrack Lite) I remember reading something along the lines of why this wasn't working before but wasn't able to find it in my old emails Thanks for your help guys. Jesse G-Tez Houston Softimage XSI 201 Certified Instructor Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SMS: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.gtez.com/ - Original Message - From: Andrew Scotchmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 12:09 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Worried On Sunday 02 Mar 2003 3:31 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2003 07:01 am, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Well Andrew, I have a question for you: R U a Troll? I've seen this same message a couple of times now. In fact, as is per normal for this list, it received excellantly reasoned and constructed responses. LOL Something went wrong I think somewhere. Sorry :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. Hmm. On the other hand, XP is the desktop and everything else. There's no real way (to my knowledge) to boot XP with a minimal environment as there is with Linux where you have the option not to run X and/or a number of window managers and desktop environments, some which use less memory than others. It's very possible that Mandrake 9.0 default install with KDE is less responsive than XP on the same system, but so what? KDE is a memory hog, and 64 megs of RAM is barely enough. Try Windowmaker or Afterstep on that machine and you'll get a snappier response, I'll bet. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in within seconds and after hey-presto my desktop has loaded and away I go. However with Md9 I can make I haven't booted in 4 months. a brew before logging in and then drink it all and eat my biscuits while waiting for the desktop to finish loading (well not literally but you get I don't think boot or load time is a fair comparison. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 02 March 2003 12:53 pm, Jesse \G-Tez\ Houston wrote: In my opinion - If you are going to say Mandrake SUX (Which it doesn't) back up your statement with clear and concise reasons then perhaps you may get an inteligent responce This is a forum for discussing problems and getting resolutions. Best of luck in the future On this note: Has anyone had installer issues with Dual CPU/via chipset/nvidia graphics cards? My workstation is being rather flaky. System Info: Dual 1.0 GHz p3 Via 694XDP Chipset 1 Gig of ram NVidia GeForce 4 Ti4200 128megs Promose ATA 100 RAID Controller (FastTrack Lite) I remember reading something along the lines of why this wasn't working before but wasn't able to find it in my old emails Thanks for your help guys. Well, Jess, I have a dual 1.0 gig p3, an Nvidia GeForce4 ti4600 128megs, only 512 ram, but I think it is smoKINg. with the amount of ram you have, you need the enterprise kernel, and it will enable SMP too the only thing is I know nothing about how your promise controller will work. maybe you could define flaky, a little better, and start it's own thread so it can be searched out in the archives a little easier. et Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I haven't booted in 4 months. And this is even AFTER system/software updates. I don't think boot or load time is a fair comparison. S true. Again look at the # of times we boot in 4 months. Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hi all Can I please state for the record that I am a complete Linux supporter. I have been with Mandrake since version 6 and although having left the arena, so to speak, for sometime now I still believe that linux is the best OS system around and Mandrake the best version. What my original e-mail was trying to show (and I apologise for not making this clear) is the average end user perspective. There is much talk here, as there always has been, of Linux-v-Windows and I was just illustrating, after my installation of XP, as to what a windows user must think when faced with Md9 or any other linux version for the first time. In my opinion too much time and effort is directed towards converting the windows user to linux and basically I was showing that although linux is by far the better of the two, XP gives people what they want and damn fast. Some of you have said that chaning desktops will improve preformance but as I originally stated I don't want to, again getting my head into a windows users perspective where KDE or Gnome is the more familiar. Showing some new person Enlightenment or even ICEwm is not going to impress at all. They want familiararity, hence my choice of desktop. I hope this has made my stance clear, Andrew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 02 March 2003 06:27 am, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Hi all Can I please state for the record that I am a complete Linux supporter. I have been with Mandrake since version 6 and although having left the arena, so to speak, for sometime now I still believe that linux is the best OS system around and Mandrake the best version. What my original e-mail was trying to show (and I apologise for not making this clear) is the average end user perspective. There is much talk here, as there always has been, of Linux-v-Windows and I was just illustrating, after my installation of XP, as to what a windows user must think when faced with Md9 or any other linux version for the first time. In my opinion too much time and effort is directed towards converting the windows user to linux and basically I was showing that although linux is by far the better of the two, XP gives people what they want and damn fast. Some of you have said that chaning desktops will improve preformance but as I originally stated I don't want to, again getting my head into a windows users perspective where KDE or Gnome is the more familiar. Showing some new person Enlightenment or even ICEwm is not going to impress at all. They want familiararity, hence my choice of desktop. I hope this has made my stance clear, Andrew Not a problem here Andrew, I understood what you were saying. Although some folks maybe did not. The point is well taken and I agree. Problem is, most people don't look before they leap and as I mentioned end up with chains on their legs and hands cause they didn't know the consequences of their actions. On the other hand there are people like my wife who do not (not cannot) want to learn a few things to break their bonds. My wife is a AOL user and windows is her game, period. Oh, I'll get her eventually, and folks on the list keep feeding me more ammunition, so one day she will change. If that's all right with her of course. (Husbands' copout sentence). : P -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 02 March 2003 07:27 am, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: is the average end user perspective. I think your point is understood, although what gets me, is that many times, and I'm not saying you did this, when comparing the two from a Windows user or average user perspective, we forget about how much we know about windows, and how much we don't know about the alternative. To a windows user, the linux way is too hard and too much work. The conclusion is always that if I have to learn anything, it is not as easy as Windows. At this point in time, it is about re-learning, not being harder. Case in point: Installing the nVidia video driver. Under windows, I click on a file, click yes, agree, yes yes, reboot, change the screen resolution and depth in display settings and reboot. On linux, I type rpm -ivh NVIDIA* and then make a couple of minor changes to a config file and restart the X server. But if you objectively evaluate the differences without regard to what the user already knows, I believe the linux method is a lot faster and is less work. If I timed it, it would be a lot faster and I did not have to reboot. But to the Windows user, who is not *familiar* with linux, it *seems* a lot harder. But once educated and familiar with the process, it isn't harder after all. I at one point I even agreed with this, but as I got *familiar* with it, I started to see why it wasn't easier. Now yes, there are places where Linux is in fact harder, but there are places where Windows is hard too. So when people say they want things to be easy like Windows, they are really saying 'I don't want to learn another way right now and I think that is okay. I just wish the endless comparisons of which is better would be more honest about stuff like this. -- Greg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sunday 02 March 2003 07:05 pm, Mark Weaver wrote: Hi Ron, I wouldn't know a dupe message if I fell over it. In fact I haven't seen one since I started using procmail filtering two years ago. Although I have been wondering about whats been going on with the lists the last few days. Any ideas...info? Well, they had a discussion/explanation one time (or maybe a couple of times) about why there were duplicate messages on the list at times. I can't remember exactly how it went, but it did make sense. :-) Usually though, when its the list itself, you'll see the repeated msgs one right after the other... A Troll...on the other hand, tends to reseed them every so often, appearing here and there... At least thats been my experience... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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- Original Message - From: Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] worried I run both and Win2k as well. Win2K is the best Windows, IMHO. I absolutely concur. I have XP courtesy of an MSDN subscription (which I am seriously considering to let lapse) and I've never installed it. From what I can see, it is just window dressing. No new functionality, but a lot of frills which slow down the interface. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Worried
Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 March 2003 07:01 am, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Well Andrew, I have a question for you: R U a Troll? I've seen this same message a couple of times now. In fact, as is per normal for this list, it received excellantly reasoned and constructed responses. Hi Ron, I wouldn't know a dupe message if I fell over it. In fact I haven't seen one since I started using procmail filtering two years ago. Although I have been wondering about whats been going on with the lists the last few days. Any ideas...info? -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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are you trying to convert us ? even if speed would be better on my box , I will NEVER put xp on it. I hate windows on so many levels so speed means nothing to me . besides I run a 1.466 gig cpu , and mandrake has always been faster than any windows product for me. Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) I beleive that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Not how much software is free or that linux is more stable and reliable. The average user wants speed. You click on an icon and up pops the application IMMEDIATELY!!! With XP even my little 500 acheives this performance but alas (and I mean that with a heavy heart) Md9 is a slow monolith beleiving that placing god knows how many apps into their installation cd's will convert new customers. Just my thought Andrew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA ~~ Currently triple booting 98lite; MDK 9.1-beta3 with Kde 3.1; MDK 9.0 kernel 2.4.19-16 Kde 3.1 Registered Linux User #248955 ~~ If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Saturday 15 February 2003 02:05 pm, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) I beleive that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Not how much software is free or that linux is more stable and reliable. The average user wants speed. You click on an icon and up pops the application IMMEDIATELY!!! With XP even my little 500 acheives this performance but alas (and I mean that with a heavy heart) Md9 is a slow monolith beleiving that placing god knows how many apps into their installation cd's will convert new customers. Just my thought Andrew OK, now install Office 2000 or Office XP whatever. Is it still really fast on boot up? Curious to know cause my wifes comp with 98 and office 98 on it and 256mb ram and a 900 Duron is slow as mollasses on boot up. It looks like it is the other stuff that causes the delay not the basic OS. Not a flame just pointing out that no matter what you can not compare apples and oranges. I was a newbie and computer illiterate once too, and just got tired of the MS crap. You will be too if you decide to put a faster burner and a faster cpu and then add a few MB of ram to your computer, and then reboot and see if XP wants to play. Bet it won't and I bet you have to call the MS hotline and get special permission from your Mommy Mrs Gates to reboot the XP. Yeah that s a real great system. Sorry, there is no comparison. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Agreed, I actually liked 8.2 better. Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. I run both and Win2k as well. Win2K is the best Windows, IMHO. Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) WinXP boots up fast, but it is not ready. Things are still happening in the background. When MDK 9 boots, it is fully operational and ready to go. I have run WinXP on anything from a 266 to a P4, it is always dog slow with 64B of ram. Give it 256mb and it screams! Tho, Win2K screams and does break as much as WinXP. I beleive that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Not how much software is free or that linux is more stable and reliable. The average user wants speed. You click on an icon and up pops the application IMMEDIATELY!!! With XP even my little 500 acheives this performance but alas (and I mean that with a heavy heart) Md9 is a slow monolith beleiving that placing god knows how many apps into their installation cd's will convert new customers. I don't believe the average user wants speed, otherwise they would be flocking to Gentoo or Slack. WinXP is excellent for its target audience. It looks easy and familiar. MS did a great job with the UI. Personally, I hate it, but let the typically PC user that uses a dull PC at work boot to a colorful screen with big bright menus, and they lose their fear of a PC. MD9 can be a speed demon if you pick the right apps and the right Window Manager. Plus, you don't have to worry about Uncle Bob spying on you and filling your hard drive with viruses. You can make your MD 9 installation take up a lot of space on your drive or very little. Now don't get me wrong, I am not flaming you. I firmly believe in different strokes for different folks. You pick whatever suits your taste buds the best. For me it's Linux. I still have a box with Win 2K for my job, but everything else, Linux rules in my house. -- Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Mandrake, Redhat and SuSE user Don't make me come down there -God Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Saturday 15 de February 2003 17:05, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. It depends on what you use it for, and how. Please read my post on the thread [newbie] Mandrake so slow in a pentium 200. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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My only comment is if I am burning (x12), running seti and browsing the web on a 2.4GHZ P4, 512 meg Ram,running XP Professional the bloody thing becomes unusable. If I do the same on my 800MHZ, 512 meg ram duron running MD9.0 I barely notice anything. Roly On Sat, 2003-02-15 at 12:05, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) I beleive that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Not how much software is free or that linux is more stable and reliable. The average user wants speed. You click on an icon and up pops the application IMMEDIATELY!!! With XP even my little 500 acheives this performance but alas (and I mean that with a heavy heart) Md9 is a slow monolith beleiving that placing god knows how many apps into their installation cd's will convert new customers. Just my thought Andrew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- MicroSoft - The company that made the internet unsafe! Linux Counter #241069 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 28 February 2003 07:24 pm, Guy Rouillier wrote: I believe that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Only to geeks. For the other 99.9 percent of computer users, functionality is most important - can I do what I want with minimum hassle? The biggest impediment to desktop adoption of Linux is not Windows but Microsoft Office. and as much as functionality is high on the list of priorities so to is stability, and if you consider the amount of time and money spent in a for profit environment with rebooting and defraging (etc) type maintenance, sure makes an argument that speed can be measured in both quarter mile and top end quantities and if you can't complete the whole 500 mile race, what good is it? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) Now this is rather interesting, XP should not even run with 64MB if I am correctly informed, there you go.anyway, personally I ran Mdk 9.0 on a PII 233 Mhz although with 160 MB of RAM without any problems whatsoever, of course I did not use KDE as my desktop but XFce but still. I am not saying you are wrong, just that I am very surprised that you could even get XP to run on that configuration. /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Dennis Myers wrote: On Saturday 15 February 2003 02:05 pm, Andrew Scotchmer wrote: Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) I beleive that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Not how much software is free or that linux is more stable and reliable. The average user wants speed. You click on an icon and up pops the application IMMEDIATELY!!! With XP even my little 500 acheives this performance but alas (and I mean that with a heavy heart) Md9 is a slow monolith beleiving that placing god knows how many apps into their installation cd's will convert new customers. Just my thought Andrew OK, now install Office 2000 or Office XP whatever. Is it still really fast on boot up? Curious to know cause my wifes comp with 98 and office 98 on it and 256mb ram and a 900 Duron is slow as mollasses on boot up. It looks like it is the other stuff that causes the delay not the basic OS. Not a flame just pointing out that no matter what you can not compare apples and oranges. I was a newbie and computer illiterate once too, and just got tired of the MS crap. You will be too if you decide to put a faster burner and a faster cpu and then add a few MB of ram to your computer, and then reboot and see if XP wants to play. Bet it won't and I bet you have to call the MS hotline and get special permission from your Mommy Mrs Gates to reboot the XP. Yeah that s a real great system. Sorry, there is no comparison. My W2K OS's take twice as long as M9.0 to boot, but are just as stable. No significant differences otherwise. I've always disliked Outlook Express. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 28 February 2003 05:30 pm, Anders Lind wrote: Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) Now this is rather interesting, XP should not even run with 64MB if I am correctly informed, there you go.anyway, personally I ran Mdk 9.0 on a PII 233 Mhz although with 160 MB of RAM without any problems whatsoever, of course I did not use KDE as my desktop but XFce but still. I am not saying you are wrong, just that I am very surprised that you could even get XP to run on that configuration. /Anders or install anyway,,, no more feeding the trolls, says the wife,,, little does she know she married an alpha troll. et Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Funny thing, On my 500 MHz AMD K-6 and 64 meg of memory I could barely get XP Pro to run! And adding another 64meg of ram did little to improve things. Windows 98SE and Windows 2000 ran o.k. but nothing to cheer about. They both showed a marked increase in performance when I doubled ram, however , MDK 8 ran fine on 64 megs and showed about a 4 fold increase in performance when I doubled the ram. (I was not able to test MDK 9 as I have sold the machine) And to make everything even, I reformatted and started fresh when installing the extra ram. (I thimks I have way too much time on my hands) Just goes to show that almost every computer is an entity unto itself. What works for me may not work for you and vice versa. or could we just have a different definition of what acceptable performance is? Mudder At 11:08 AM 3/1/2003 -0500, you wrote: On Friday 28 February 2003 05:30 pm, Anders Lind wrote: Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) Now this is rather interesting, XP should not even run with 64MB if I am correctly informed, there you go.anyway, personally I ran Mdk 9.0 on a PII 233 Mhz although with 160 MB of RAM without any problems whatsoever, of course I did not use KDE as my desktop but XFce but still. I am not saying you are wrong, just that I am very surprised that you could even get XP to run on that configuration. /Anders or install anyway,,, no more feeding the trolls, says the wife,,, little does she know she married an alpha troll. et Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] worried
Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) I beleive that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Not how much software is free or that linux is more stable and reliable. The average user wants speed. You click on an icon and up pops the application IMMEDIATELY!!! With XP even my little 500 acheives this performance but alas (and I mean that with a heavy heart) Md9 is a slow monolith beleiving that placing god knows how many apps into their installation cd's will convert new customers. Just my thought Andrew Hey, why would anyone flame you?! You like XP - enjoy it! I personally feel a deep aversion to MS and anything it produces and stands for. But that's my choice. Keep an eye on Linux though :-) you might change your mind again one day, no? Cheers, Andrei Linux-Mandrake 9 (Dolphin) Mandrake Club Silver Member Registered Linux user: 226850 Registered Linux computer: 183163 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] worried
On Fri, 2003-02-28 at 21:01, mycal62 wrote: are you trying to convert us ? even if speed would be better on my box , I will NEVER put xp on it. I hate windows on so many levels so speed means nothing to me . besides I run a 1.466 gig cpu , and mandrake has always been faster than any windows product for me. I think the idea of the verbal exercise was to point out that from a non tech perspective - without the know-how or desire to improve the performance of the box, that XP ran better than MDK - but this is a rather unfair statement because 1.) only one linux distro was tested, 2.) no time appears to have been spent in seeking out why performance was degraded so badly upon first installation and 3.) he didn't try BeOS or OS/2 (g) -- Sun, 2 Mar 2003 09:05:00 +1100 9:05am up 3 days, 23:08, 4 users, load average: 0.46, 0.53, 0.51 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * RH 8.0 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Vax Vobiscum Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] worried
Now don't get me wrong I love linux and have been with Mandrake since v6.0 though I must say in my opinion v9.0 is not one of it's best, perhaps, sorry, definately a bit hasty with this release! Anyway the point is I've just upgraded my windows98 to XP and I must admit in all fairness for the desktop, I know nothing of computers, average user, XP is better. Now before I get flamed let me explain. I run a small 500mhz Athlon with 64mg memory but for speed and effeiciency XP is by far the fastest. My Md9 is a minimal installation (although having most of the HD) but still pales in comparison to XP even when a large number of apps are working. With XP I boot and hey-presto I'm logging in with Md9 I can make a brew etc etc. (well not literally but you get the point) I beleive that as far as the end user is concerned speed is the most important factor. Not how much software is free or that linux is more stable and reliable. The average user wants speed. You click on an icon and up pops the application IMMEDIATELY!!! With XP even my little 500 acheives this performance but alas (and I mean that with a heavy heart) Md9 is a slow monolith beleiving that placing god knows how many apps into their installation cd's will convert new customers. Just my thought Andrew Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
