Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?

2004-03-12 Thread Rob Blomquist
On Saturday 06 March 2004 1:02 pm, Thinker pondered and enlightened us with:
 I am following the advice given by Derek Jennings for updating 10.0rc1
 to full 10.0 release status.

 My question, before I 'urpmi --auto-select' is this..

 I am currently logged in to KDE and I am sure several other things are
 running. Should I get out of KDE and stop what services I can BEFORE I
 attempt to update everything?

 What is the safest environment to be in when updating?

I am currently running KDE, playing mp3s with XMMS and browsing the web while 
urpmi --auto --auto-select is working its tail off.

Its no big deal using your box while upgrading. If stuff stops working, maybe 
its time to take a break at let urpmi do its job.

I've done this once before, and its just fine. 

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Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?

2004-03-07 Thread Troy Thomas Hall
Greg Meyer wrote:

I do it in runlevel 5 all the time from the command line.  Log out of KDE and 
then when you see th egraphical login greeter, hit ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a 
console and do your urpmi --auto-select from there.  When done, hit alt-F7 to 
get back to the greeter.  Restart the xserver and then login.
 



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Is this documented somewhere?  I never knew before how to get to console 
from the graphical greeter.  Maybe this should be in Twiki?

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Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?

2004-03-07 Thread Greg Meyer
On Sunday 07 March 2004 12:50 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote:
 Is this documented somewhere?  I never knew before how to get to console
 from the graphical greeter.  Maybe this should be in Twiki?

This is a very basic feature of Linux nad has been in exitence since forever.  
maybe it is so basic that everyone just assumes that everyone else knows how 
to do it.

Actually, there are 6 virtual consoles, VT1 through VT6, accessed with a 
ctrl-alt-Fx sequence where x number of the console you wish to access.
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Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?

2004-03-07 Thread Troy Thomas Hall
Greg Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 07 March 2004 12:50 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote:

Is this documented somewhere?  I never knew before how to get to console
from the graphical greeter.  Maybe this should be in Twiki?


This is a very basic feature of Linux nad has been in exitence since forever.  
maybe it is so basic that everyone just assumes that everyone else knows how 
to do it.

Actually, there are 6 virtual consoles, VT1 through VT6, accessed with a 
ctrl-alt-Fx sequence where x number of the console you wish to access.



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I knew about CTRL+F# through CLI but never knew how to do it from GUI. 
And I THOUGHT you had to choose permamently between graphical greeter 
and CLI unless you changed it.  Course being the philosophy behind linux 
 I should have known better.  TYVM.

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[newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?

2004-03-06 Thread Thinker
I am following the advice given by Derek Jennings for updating 10.0rc1 
to full 10.0 release status.

My question, before I 'urpmi --auto-select' is this..

I am currently logged in to KDE and I am sure several other things are 
running. Should I get out of KDE and stop what services I can BEFORE I 
attempt to update everything?

What is the safest environment to be in when updating?

Thanks,

-=Thinker


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Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?

2004-03-06 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 06 March 2004 04:02 pm, Thinker wrote:
 I am following the advice given by Derek Jennings for updating 10.0rc1
 to full 10.0 release status.

 My question, before I 'urpmi --auto-select' is this..

 I am currently logged in to KDE and I am sure several other things are
 running. Should I get out of KDE and stop what services I can BEFORE I
 attempt to update everything?

 What is the safest environment to be in when updating?

I do it in runlevel 5 all the time from the command line.  Log out of KDE and 
then when you see th egraphical login greeter, hit ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a 
console and do your urpmi --auto-select from there.  When done, hit alt-F7 to 
get back to the greeter.  Restart the xserver and then login.
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Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?

2004-03-06 Thread Derek Jennings
On Saturday 06 Mar 2004 21:02, Thinker wrote:
 I am following the advice given by Derek Jennings for updating 10.0rc1
 to full 10.0 release status.

 My question, before I 'urpmi --auto-select' is this..

 I am currently logged in to KDE and I am sure several other things are
 running. Should I get out of KDE and stop what services I can BEFORE I
 attempt to update everything?

 What is the safest environment to be in when updating?

 Thanks,

 -=Thinker

Well I do it while logged into KDE, and without stopping any services.
YMMV

If you are worried then do a backup before proceeding.

Note: If there is a preexisting config file in /etc which conflicts with the 
config file from a new package the old config file will be left in place and 
the new one will be suffixed .rpmnew

You should review these files after install is complete to see if there is 
anything new which needs configuring.


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RE: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-25 Thread Ken Walker
Many thanks

Ken

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September 23, 2003 06:06 am, Ken Walker wrote:


Hi Ken;

Before anything else, open a super user mode terminal, or in a root console,

type urpmi --help. You'll see the flags, syntax and what commands are 
available and what they do.

 All i get when i run

 urpmi --update

urpmi.update -a -f enter

The flags are -a (all matches at the command line) -f (force)

 or

 urpmi --update --auto

urpmi --auto-select enter

unless you don't want to see the list of packages before install starts. 
That's what the --auto flag does. As for the --update or --updates, it
really 
isn't necessary since the only updates will be new package versions through 
the update directory source you have set up.

 is 'everything already installed'

 when i know everything isn't installed :o( ( and that's from a LM8.2 and
 LM9 )

Check the software sources you have listed in urpm. The old versions of 
Mandrake Linux have all been moved to the mandrakeold section of the 
mirrors or some such for those that are still carrying the packages at all. 
For example, the updates for 8.2 are available at:

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/8.2/RPMS

and for 9.0:

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.0/RPMS

The update packages are likely still available on many of the servers but I 
know that one works since I used it yesterday to update friends' data 
server for their home LAN.

 ps, if it did work, would it upgrade the kernel without giving me an
option
 not to ?

 Ken

I don't recall if 8.2 was the last release that would actually try to update
a 
kernel, or the first that would install a kernel. Regardless, before doing 
any of the automatic updates I would *strongly* recommend that you download 
any update kernel and manually install using;

rpm -ivh kernel-version number enter

from a terminal as super user after navigating to the directory you saved
the 
kernel in. That will install the new kernel alongside the existing one so 
that you can still boot the old one if you have trouble. Then in the same 
terminal (as insurance) type:

/sbin/lilo -v enter

To get lilo to add the kernel to the boot list.

 After that's done you can try the urpmi --auto-select again.

Good luck Ken;
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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-25 Thread Charlie M.
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September 25, 2003 05:31 am, Ken Walker wrote:
 Many thanks

 Ken
I guess that means I didn't screw up the destructions this time? (-;

You're very welcome Ken. Enjoy.

Cheers;
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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-23 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
RichardA wrote:

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the
*update urpmi source only*.
Examples:

urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the 
*updates* urpmi source.

urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi
sources.
   

Is it 'update', or 'updates'? I wonder if I did the wrong one because
after I rebooted all hell broke loose. There were scary messages on
boot. X loaded, but when I tried to log in, I was told /home didn't
exist! (the message was something like 'you could try to use /root, but
it won't work' ;).
An upgrade still had problems, so I re-installed (it's handy to have
/home is on a separate partition), reinstalled Sylpheed and everything
is exactly as it was, bar a few things in /etc.
If I got the update switch wrong, would updating from all sources
completely fubar my setup like that?
Richard

It is --update.  I apologize for the mistype in my example.

I don't think it would do anything at all if you typed in --updates.  I 
believe it would exit and tell you that --updates is not a valid option.

As far as what has happened to your system...whether or not updating 
from all of your sources will fubar your system depends on what sources 
you have specified.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-23 Thread Charlie M.
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September 23, 2003 06:06 am, Ken Walker wrote:


Hi Ken;

Before anything else, open a super user mode terminal, or in a root console, 
type urpmi --help. You'll see the flags, syntax and what commands are 
available and what they do.

 All i get when i run

 urpmi --update

urpmi.update -a -f enter

The flags are -a (all matches at the command line) -f (force)

 or

 urpmi --update --auto

urpmi --auto-select enter

unless you don't want to see the list of packages before install starts. 
That's what the --auto flag does. As for the --update or --updates, it really 
isn't necessary since the only updates will be new package versions through 
the update directory source you have set up.

 is 'everything already installed'

 when i know everything isn't installed :o( ( and that's from a LM8.2 and
 LM9 )

Check the software sources you have listed in urpm. The old versions of 
Mandrake Linux have all been moved to the mandrakeold section of the 
mirrors or some such for those that are still carrying the packages at all. 
For example, the updates for 8.2 are available at:

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/8.2/RPMS

and for 9.0:

ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.0/RPMS

The update packages are likely still available on many of the servers but I 
know that one works since I used it yesterday to update friends' data 
server for their home LAN.

 ps, if it did work, would it upgrade the kernel without giving me an option
 not to ?

 Ken

I don't recall if 8.2 was the last release that would actually try to update a 
kernel, or the first that would install a kernel. Regardless, before doing 
any of the automatic updates I would *strongly* recommend that you download 
any update kernel and manually install using;

rpm -ivh kernel-version number enter

from a terminal as super user after navigating to the directory you saved the 
kernel in. That will install the new kernel alongside the existing one so 
that you can still boot the old one if you have trouble. Then in the same 
terminal (as insurance) type:

/sbin/lilo -v enter

To get lilo to add the kernel to the boot list.

 After that's done you can try the urpmi --auto-select again.

Good luck Ken;
Charlie
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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-23 Thread RichardA
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:01:19 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It is --update.  I apologize for the mistype in my example.
 
 I don't think it would do anything at all if you typed in --updates. 
 I believe it would exit and tell you that --updates is not a valid
 option.
 
 As far as what has happened to your system...whether or not updating 
 from all of your sources will fubar your system depends on what
 sources you have specified.

I lost my sources in the re-install, but they must have been
conflicting, as you say.

Before I tried an upgrade, I booted from CD1, mounted the partitions and
copied /var/log/messages to /root so I could look at it later. I thought
I was being really clever, but then I re-installed and lost it anyway...

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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-21 Thread RichardA
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the
 *update urpmi source only*.
 
 Examples:
 
 urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the 
 *updates* urpmi source.
 
 urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi
 sources.

Is it 'update', or 'updates'? I wonder if I did the wrong one because
after I rebooted all hell broke loose. There were scary messages on
boot. X loaded, but when I tried to log in, I was told /home didn't
exist! (the message was something like 'you could try to use /root, but
it won't work' ;).

An upgrade still had problems, so I re-installed (it's handy to have
/home is on a separate partition), reinstalled Sylpheed and everything
is exactly as it was, bar a few things in /etc.

If I got the update switch wrong, would updating from all sources
completely fubar my setup like that?

Richard
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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-21 Thread Stormjumper
- Original Message - 
From: RichardA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 02:47
Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select


 On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the
  *update urpmi source only*.
 
  Examples:
 
  urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the
  *updates* urpmi source.
 
  urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi
  sources.

 Is it 'update', or 'updates'? I wonder if I did the wrong one
because
 after I rebooted all hell broke loose. There were scary messages on
 boot. X loaded, but when I tried to log in, I was told /home didn't
 exist! (the message was something like 'you could try to use /root,
but
 it won't work' ;).

 An upgrade still had problems, so I re-installed (it's handy to have
 /home is on a separate partition), reinstalled Sylpheed and
everything
 is exactly as it was, bar a few things in /etc.

 If I got the update switch wrong, would updating from all sources
 completely fubar my setup like that?

hi richard, it's 'update', as in
urpmi --update --auto-select

generally, you shouldn't do a pure
urpmi --auto-select
unless you only have the original mandrake
installation (and update) sources defined,
or you know very well what u're trying to do.
(eg, run cooker)


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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-19 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
RichardA wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:05:46 +0300, Phazeman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
If you are talking about Mandrake 9.1 then the answer is simple - your
rpm db just broke up. It's pretty simple to fix it though. First you
have to delete the old rpm db:
# rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__db.*
then just rebuild the db (without loosing the currently installed
packages list):
#rpm --rebuilddb
I don't think i have to mention that all this should be done as root
After the rebuilddb finish - go ahaead and update your sources again 
(urpmi.update -a). And next time you want to update something ONLY
from the updates mirror - you can use the --update switch with the
urpmi that tells it to use ONLY the updates.


It's MDK 9.0, but I don't think that matters in this case. I've used
this fix before, but I didn't recognise that it was needed for this
fault. Thanks.
I don't understand the last part of your message. What is significant
about the --update switch? The urpmi mini-howto says Once the security
source is added, we can check for and install security updates with
urpmi.update -a followed by urpmi --auto-select.
Richard
The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the *update 
urpmi source only*.

Examples:

urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the 
*updates* urpmi source.

urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi sources.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-19 Thread Stormjumper

- Original Message - 
From: RichardA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 23:40
Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select


 I don't understand the last part of your message. What is
significant
 about the --update switch? The urpmi mini-howto says Once the
security
 source is added, we can check for and install security updates with
 urpmi.update -a followed by urpmi --auto-select.

 Richard

the --update forces urpmi to only use sources defined as an update
source.

eg. you have a official mandrake update mirror for mandrake 8.2, and a
plf urpmi source. if you simply urpmi --auto-select, it tries to
update every single program for which a newer rpm exists (on any
source), even if it's not defined as an update source.

this may result in very messed up systems, depending on what urpmi
sources are configured.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select

2003-09-18 Thread Phazeman
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On Thursday 18 September 2003 21:25, RichardA wrote:
 The ssh exploit reminded me to update. I did urpmi.update -a, which
 went fine.
 Then I did urpmi -v --auto-select. It wanted to download 300MB +, so I
 let it. Then a message about bad signatures, so I said yes again. Then::

 starting installing packages
 rpmdb: region error detected; run recovery.
 Can't call method create_transaction on an undefined value at
 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/urpm.pm line 2008, STDIN line 2.

 Something is broken, methinks.

 Richard
If you are talking about Mandrake 9.1 then the answer is simple - your rpm db 
just broke up. It's pretty simple to fix it though. First you have to delete 
the old rpm db:
# rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__db.*
then just rebuild the db (without loosing the currently installed packages 
list):
#rpm --rebuilddb

I don't think i have to mention that all this should be done as root
After the rebuilddb finish - go ahaead and update your sources again 
(urpmi.update -a). And next time you want to update something ONLY from the 
updates mirror - you can use the --update switch with the urpmi that tells it 
to use ONLY the updates.

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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select?

2003-01-15 Thread Angus Auld

 On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 18:00, Angus Auld wrote:
  Greetings, I was just updating my system with the latest bunch of updates from Mdk 
(BIG bunch). I installed a few packages, and then decided it would be simpler to just 
use the urpmi --auto-select command, and go to bed.
  When I issued the command however, urpmi informed me that two packages have to be 
removed in order for others to be updated...Timidity++2.11.3-1mdk and 
timidity-instruments-1.0-15mdk. 
  Does this mean I won't be able to install these again?? I need these packages for 
midi output. :-/
  
  Can anyone tell me what this means?
  
  TIA for any feedback. :-)
  
  
  --Angus
*
Stephen Kuhn wrote: 
 By no means does removing Timidity deny your output of MIDI. It can be
 reinstalled at a later date and time. Nothing to worry about hometeam.
 
**
Thanks Stephen, I had some issues with my winmodem concerning these latest updates as 
is outlined in a seperate posting. I'm back on-line with Mdk now tho. :-)

I wonder why urpmi has to uninstall Timidity anyway? Shared dependencies?

All the best. 


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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select?

2003-01-15 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 06:04, Seedkum Aladeem wrote:
 
  By no means does removing Timidity deny your output of MIDI. It can be
  reinstalled at a later date and time. Nothing to worry about hometeam.
 
 I faced the same issue as Angus. Urpmi refused to upgrade KDE until it 
 uninstalled timidity. After updateing KDE I tried installing timidity back 
 but urpmi told me that I need to uninstall some of the KDE sound modules. it 
 looks like timidity KDE do not go together any more.
 
 Seedkum

Well, as I've stated before, I think the only way to properly get KDE
installed and/or upgraded is by doing by hand. Seems to be the least
amount of hassle and problem - and unless the inconvenience of
rebuilding the menu structure is a higher priority than an upgraded bit
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[newbie] urpmi --auto-select?

2003-01-14 Thread Angus Auld
Greetings, I was just updating my system with the latest bunch of updates from Mdk 
(BIG bunch). I installed a few packages, and then decided it would be simpler to just 
use the urpmi --auto-select command, and go to bed.
When I issued the command however, urpmi informed me that two packages have to be 
removed in order for others to be updated...Timidity++2.11.3-1mdk and 
timidity-instruments-1.0-15mdk. 
Does this mean I won't be able to install these again?? I need these packages for midi 
output. :-/

Can anyone tell me what this means?

TIA for any feedback. :-)


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Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select?

2003-01-14 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 18:00, Angus Auld wrote:
 Greetings, I was just updating my system with the latest bunch of updates from Mdk 
(BIG bunch). I installed a few packages, and then decided it would be simpler to just 
use the urpmi --auto-select command, and go to bed.
 When I issued the command however, urpmi informed me that two packages have to be 
removed in order for others to be updated...Timidity++2.11.3-1mdk and 
timidity-instruments-1.0-15mdk. 
 Does this mean I won't be able to install these again?? I need these packages for 
midi output. :-/
 
 Can anyone tell me what this means?
 
 TIA for any feedback. :-)
 
 
 --Angus

By no means does removing Timidity deny your output of MIDI. It can be
reinstalled at a later date and time. Nothing to worry about hometeam.

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