Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:21, Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. Nick...it was a random sig, man. Not part of his message body. Lots of peeps on the list here have anti-M$ sigs. Except for me, I shun the sigs and devote the entire message body to anti-M$ content. Tongue in cheek. No harm, no foul. :) LX Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- °°° Kernel 2.4.8-26mdk Mandrake Linux 8.1 Enlightenment 0.16.5Evolution 1.02 Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Friday 03 May 2002 2:21 am, Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. As a former The Bat!* and former Windows user, I reluctantly agree. About 18 months ago, when I started off with Linux, I asked a few questions about a then-very-problematic ADSL modem (the Alcatel Speed Touch USB) and almost had my head knocked off in response; I was so offended I _did_ wipe Linux off the computer. Now things seem to be much better, mainly because of groups.google.com, but also because there's much less arrogance in general and the old growlers are generally bypassed or ignored in my experience. (Doubtless there are places where they congregate and reminisce 'when there were only a command line ...' :) That said, saying things about Windows _users_ is off limits for me because, quite apart from anything else, I (and I suspect a large proportion of the list readers) are forced to use it at work. Alastair * I recognise the author from elsewhere; it is noticeable that, among others, the kmail developers seem to have solved problems that The Bat!'s developers heaved and sweated over, in isolation and often only partially successfully, for months. Such are the virtues of Open Source ;) -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Friday 03 May 2002 4:42 am, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: I am using the OpenOffice version of StarOffice. I have not had any problems with it. I open Micorosoft documents (Word, Excell), edit them and save them in those formats without any problem. Seconded, and the round trip (Word 97 or 2000 - OO - Word 97 or 2000 - OO ... on different machines) works with my project documents; an incredible achievement by OO! No problems apart from fonts not appearing antialiased; there's quite a bit of discussion on the openoffice.org mailing lists about this but no simple solution yet. (I note that kword 1.2 beta 1 displays 100 per cent CPU usage and tremendous disk thrashing on trying to open some Word documents; time, I think, for everyone to come together, further perfect and distribute the OO Office filters, and stop reinventing the wheel). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) http://www.unmetered.org.uk/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:21, Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. Nick...it was a random sig, man. Not part of his message body. Lots of peeps on the list here have anti-M$ sigs. Except for me, I shun the sigs and devote the entire message body to anti-M$ content. Tongue in cheek. No harm, no foul. :) LX I HAVE to use Windows 8 hrs a day in the workplace - does that make me an idiot? I use Win98 at home - no Linux CD-burner comes close in quality to Nero Burning Rom. Does that make me an idiot? Signatures such as 'all Windows users are idiots' are actually very useful. They are a good way to spot a reply to a newbie's question that will start with a 'first of all, you shouldn't be using the GUI' and end with a 'RTFM' :-) Richard PS Bank holiday coming up in England - 3-day weekend, LM8.2 installation disks at the ready! *** This e-mail and its attachments are intended for the above named recipient(s) only and are confidential and may be privileged. If they have come to you in error you must take no action based on them, nor must you copy or disclose them or any part of their contents to any person or organisation; please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail and its attachments from your computer system. Please note that Internet communications are not necessarily secure and may be changed, intercepted or corrupted. We advise that you understand and observe this lack of security when e-mailing us and we will not accept any liability for any such changes, interceptions or corruptions. Although we have taken steps to ensure that this e-mail and its attachments are free from any virus, we advise that in keeping with good computing practice the recipient should ensure they are actually virus free. Copyright in this e-mail and attachments created by us belongs to Littlewoods. Littlewoods takes steps to prohibit the transmission of offensive, obscene or discriminatory material. If this message contains inappropriate material please forward the e-mail intact to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and it will be investigated. Statements and opinions contained in this e-mail may not necessarily represent those of Littlewoods. Please note that e-mail communication may be monitored. Registered office: Littlewoods Retail Limited, Sir John Moores Building, 100 Old Hall Street, Liverpool, L70 1AB Registered no: 421258 http://www.littlewoods.com *** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Thursday 02 May 2002 23:04, civileme opened a general hailing frequency and transmitted to all open stations: The signature implies to me that Microsoft is to blame for leading gullible people, but I never saw that the meaning everyone who uses windows is gullible could be read into it. Certainly I did not since I still have to use Windows to test doftware for compatibility and interoperability. all the fools i know with computers have windows, but not all the widows users are fools what i don't understand is how someone could be so bothered by a sig that stop using an OS yet they can click ok on the EULA. oh well. -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy. Give Linux to a friend today. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Fri, 3 May 2002, Barran, Richard wrote: I HAVE to use Windows 8 hrs a day in the workplace - does that make me an idiot? I use Win98 at home - no Linux CD-burner comes close in quality to Nero Burning Rom. Does that make me an idiot? Signatures such as 'all Windows users are idiots' are actually very useful. They are a good way to spot a reply to a newbie's question that will start with a 'first of all, you shouldn't be using the GUI' and end with a 'RTFM' :-) Richard PS Bank holiday coming up in England - 3-day weekend, LM8.2 installation disks at the ready! Richard, of course that doesn't make you an idiot. and I always got the impression that the newbies that begin with first of all and end with RTFM have the mistaken impression that if they appear abusive towards windows users then they'll be more quickly accepted into a mistakenly perceived clique. personally I find this behavior mildly amusing, but it send a message about those that they're watching and listening to. it also causes me to ask myself if maybe I'm presenting the wrong image of what a real Linux user is and should be. KNow what I mean? And I feel your pain having to use windows 8 hours a day. I too must endure the same. it wouldn't be so bad if I could use win2K or XP instead of win98. there are days when I can't get anything done because the macnhine just won't play nice. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
note, the sig below is in no way intended to poke fun at any 6 fingered ppl who can indeed carry out the command described, no similarity to any ppl living or dead is accidental. the name shane may not be mine. i may be spoofing. your milage may vary. do not taunt happy fun ball. void in utah, and all states whos names have vowels. see your dealer for details. -- Hold (ESC)(CTRL)(ALT)(TAB)(SHIFT)(ENTER) click here # shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ hahahahaha!!! LOL man, that's a good one. i might even try to make that key combination and see what happens. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On 4 May 2002, Brian Parish wrote: OK - This got a nice little flame war going, but didn't really address the question. Is anyone else using SO6 - not the other flavors - and seeing the same behavior as I am? A friend who just upgraded to 8.2 has SO6 crashing on every doc file he's tried to open by any means so far. Not my experience, but then he did UPGRADE, while I have done clean installs. Maybe it's all to do with some font settings or something. ok...I'm getting the impression that the problem is elsewhere and not with SO6 itself. since it was an upgrade and not a fresh install you could be onto something. why not try formatting and doing a fresh install on the machine and then reload SO6. I have a feeling you'll see quite a difference. it sounds very much like some very important files got hosed in the process of the upgrade, hence the bad behavior from SO. as for me I've had nothing but successfrom SO6 on all my machines that I've installed it on including those where I work. -- daRcmaTTeR -- Registered Linux User 182496 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
I actually have little against Windows - personally, I think XP is a fine OS (best Windows by far yet, IMO). Where I take exception is the company itself and its business practices. If my printer worked properly in Linux (for some reason it works right off the bat after I reboot or after I use printerdrake to install it (again) but it stops working after about a half hour or so, most annoying), I would only use Windows to play games. Now that OpenOffice 1.0 is out (a VERY NICE product, not quite as powerful as Word but comparable), I don't even need to use Office. :) Strangely enough, my networking in Windows dies on me after about an hour of being up (I have a cable modem and am always online) but under Linux, I have zero problems with the networking. I have no clue how to go about fixing the problem in Windows but when I had a similar problem in linux, was able to resolve it in about 10 minutes - who says using Linux is harder? :) And now that KDE 3.0 is out, I finally have a GUI in linux that I like. I have no complaints whatsoever. :) James ps. I really need to switch email accounts (this is owned by Microsoft) but it's so hard to do - anyone know of any free mail forwarding site that acts as a sort of relay so if you change ISPs or email addresses, there are no problems and no one has to be given a new address? I agree whole heartedly with you on this subject. The unfortunate part is that there appear to be no moderators on this list. I wish people would stop taking such a negative attitude to windows, we were all windows users at one point. NB On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:21, Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com James Thomas http://www.finality.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
SO6 has not crashed on loading windoze doc files (File ... Open) for me but it does crash when using the spell checker (not every time, just sometimes). My system is a clean install of 8.2 with office 6.0 (no upgrades anywhere since I've only been up and running since April 23rd). I tried emailing a word document but my email is via a citrix server and I haven't figured out how to get it to open documents on my pc (the linux one) since it gives me no options and automatically uses what's on the server (Word). My only other complain is the page preview ... I dare you to get out of it if you're not printing. I hate to say it but if I don't have the luxury of time, it's Word for me. Jeanie -Original Message- From: Brian Parish [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:42 AM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained OK - This got a nice little flame war going, but didn't really address the question. Is anyone else using SO6 - not the other flavors - and seeing the same behavior as I am? A friend who just upgraded to 8.2 has SO6 crashing on every doc file he's tried to open by any means so far. Not my experience, but then he did UPGRADE, while I have done clean installs. Maybe it's all to do with some font settings or something. Now if everyone who replies to this can please refrain from saying anything vaguely antagonistic, it really would be nice to hear of some comparable experiences. I paid for this SW. Just because I pay for Windows and expect it to fail doesn't mean I will put up with it from Sun. Oops! Shane you are SUCH a bad influence ;-) Brian On Fri, 2002-05-03 at 09:56, Brian Parish wrote: Just a quick note on SO6. I have seen claims here that it opens everything faultlessly and that it crashes and is totally useless. It turns out that both are true :-) Try to open a word doc file received as an attachment with the Open in StarOffice dialog - crash! Try to open a word doc in the same way from Konq - crash. Open SO6, then use the File Open on the same docs - no problem. It may not be faultless, but used this way it looks pretty good to me so far. Hopefully Sun and/or Mandrake will make the open with way of doing things work soon. Could actually be a Mandrake issue I guess. HTH Brian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
Try iname.com about $20/year. I've used it for at least 4 years and only had problems only once (they were upgrading their system) and I can't open Word docs on StarOffice 6.0. - Original Message - From: James Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained I actually have little against Windows - personally, I think XP is a fine OS (best Windows by far yet, IMO). Where I take exception is the company itself and its business practices. If my printer worked properly in Linux (for some reason it works right off the bat after I reboot or after I use printerdrake to install it (again) but it stops working after about a half hour or so, most annoying), I would only use Windows to play games. Now that OpenOffice 1.0 is out (a VERY NICE product, not quite as powerful as Word but comparable), I don't even need to use Office. :) Strangely enough, my networking in Windows dies on me after about an hour of being up (I have a cable modem and am always online) but under Linux, I have zero problems with the networking. I have no clue how to go about fixing the problem in Windows but when I had a similar problem in linux, was able to resolve it in about 10 minutes - who says using Linux is harder? :) And now that KDE 3.0 is out, I finally have a GUI in linux that I like. I have no complaints whatsoever. :) James ps. I really need to switch email accounts (this is owned by Microsoft) but it's so hard to do - anyone know of any free mail forwarding site that acts as a sort of relay so if you change ISPs or email addresses, there are no problems and no one has to be given a new address? I agree whole heartedly with you on this subject. The unfortunate part is that there appear to be no moderators on this list. I wish people would stop taking such a negative attitude to windows, we were all windows users at one point. NB On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:21, Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com James Thomas http://www.finality.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Fri, 03 May 2002 16:37:10 -0700, James Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ps. I really need to switch email accounts (this is owned by Microsoft) but it's so hard to do - anyone know of any free mail forwarding site that acts as a sort of relay so if you change ISPs or email addresses, there are no problems and no one has to be given a new address? http://www.hotpop.com/ I scored an address @Phreaker.net. I feel like Woz and Capt. Crunch! -- Sridhar Dhanapalan 640K ought to be enough for anybody. -- Bill Gates, 1981 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
You might try www.hotpop.com for free pop/smtp/forwarding email or www.bigfoot.com for a free forwarding type email. I thought I had several others, but they started charging ( www.mail.com ) or dropped their Enlish language version ( www.gmx.com ). With today's dot bomb financial situation most free services have started charging or gone belly-up ( home ). There is no such thing as a permanent email address, at least for free..and probably not even if you pay. Mike James Thomas wrote: ps. I really need to switch email accounts (this is owned by Microsoft) but it's so hard to do - anyone know of any free mail forwarding site that acts as a sort of relay so if you change ISPs or email addresses, there are no problems and no one has to be given a new address? -- - Mike Larson Registered Linux User # 246593 http://counter.li.org/ Linux Mandrake 8.2 Mozilla 0.9.8 If Bill Gates had a nickel for everytime Windows crashed..oh wait,he does! - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Fri, 03 May 2002 22:39:23 -0500, Mike Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might try www.hotpop.com for free pop/smtp/forwarding email or www.bigfoot.com for a free forwarding type email. I thought I had several others, but they started charging ( www.mail.com ) or dropped their Enlish language version ( www.gmx.com ). With today's dot bomb financial situation most free services have started charging or gone belly-up ( @home ). There is no such thing as a permanent email address, at least for free..and probably not even if you pay. Yes, it's unfortunate. I think the simplest way is to buy your own domain name. Buying dhanapalan.com only cost me US$29 for two years. That price was simply for 'domain parking', so I got Virtual Avenue (http://www.virtualave.net) to handle all my e-mail for that domain... for free. All mail going to dhanapalan.com gets redirected to my ISP account, which I can access with any POP client. It works brilliantly, plus I get 50MB of web hosting for free (which I've never bothered to use). The most important thing is that I own the whole domain, and I can do anything I want with it. As long as I continue to renew it, it's mine. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan There's no place like ~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
Hi Nick, I used Windows from 3.1 to 98. I now use Linux. I do not take offense to Shane's signature and I feel you are overreacting. Lighten up Linux is about having fun. Mike Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- - Mike Larson Registered Linux User # 246593 http://counter.li.org/ Linux Mandrake 8.2 Mozilla 0.9.8 If Bill Gates had a nickel for everytime Windows crashed..oh wait,he does! - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
I agree whole heartedly with you on this subject. The unfortunate part is that there appear to be no moderators on this list. I wish people would stop taking such a negative attitude to windows, we were all windows users at one point. NB On Thu, 2002-05-02 at 21:21, Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. -- Nick Andriash Courtenay, B.C. Canada Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On 03 May 2002 09:56:09 +1000 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick note on SO6. I have seen claims here that it opens everything faultlessly and that it crashes and is totally useless. It turns out that both are true :-) Try to open a word doc file received as an attachment with the Open in StarOffice dialog - crash! Try to open a word doc in the same way from Konq - crash. Open SO6, then use the File Open on the same docs - no problem. It may not be faultless, but used this way it looks pretty good to me so far. Hopefully Sun and/or Mandrake will make the open with way of doing things work soon. Could actually be a Mandrake issue I guess. HTH Brian oh i've found OpenOffice 1.0 ( released just a couple of days ago ) to be s much better than any other Linux Office suite.. just an example. try to open a PowerPoint presentation, but not pps format, which would normally open in M$ Powerpoint, but the other one, the ppt, which in windoze simply starts the presentation after double-clicking it. try to open a ppt file in OpenOffice 6* try to open a ppt file in StarOffice * you will be lucky if it doesn't just segfault on you. but OO 1.0 opens it no problem! now i can delete wine. hehehehe. Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Thursday 02 May 2002 07:21 pm, Nick Andriash offered this for consideration: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. ~ Mr. Andriash; I use windows too. To look out of, to allow fresh air in, to yell at the neighbor's dog to shut up at 3:00 AM. Other things as well..Speaking of 'lighten up' time. No matter how the parasites in the legal profession that are on retainer to a mega-corporation in Washington would like to convince the world otherwise that company does not own the word Windows. The thing that astounds me (and a few other 'inhabitants' of this and other mailing lists I have no doubt) is the defensiveness of some people when an admittedly cheap shot is directed towards any/all things Microsoft. The entire point of the Open Source movement is choice and freedom. Use what you like, please; but don't try to censor (or censure) the freely stated opinions of others that are of a helpful bent. Such as Shane. A signature that isn't attached to a message directed at yourself is no excuse to deride someone for expressing an opinion. You're welcome to ask questions and receive the benefits of the community I believe; but I'd be curious to know why you take offense at something that was intended as a jest. A sense of humour ; while not a prerequisite to utilizing Linux, is beneficial in many other endeavors and is of great value when dealing with Personal Confusers. Proudly Microsoft free for 26 months and counting, Sincerely; Charlie in Edmonton, AB, Canada Mandrake 8.2 user 244963 at http://counter.li.org 8:08pm up 1 day, 15:42, 2 users, load average: 1.00, 1.05, 1.14 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
On Thursday 02 May 2002 04:56 pm, Brian Parish wrote: Just a quick note on SO6. I have seen claims here that it opens everything faultlessly and that it crashes and is totally useless. It turns out that both are true :-) Try to open a word doc file received as an attachment with the Open in StarOffice dialog - crash! Try to open a word doc in the same way from Konq - crash. Open SO6, then use the File Open on the same docs - no problem. It may not be faultless, but used this way it looks pretty good to me so far. Hopefully Sun and/or Mandrake will make the open with way of doing things work soon. Could actually be a Mandrake issue I guess. HTH Brian I am using the OpenOffice version of StarOffice. I have not had any problems with it. I open Micorosoft documents (Word, Excell), edit them and save them in those formats without any problem. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] StarOffice 6 - the different perceptions explained
Nick Andriash wrote: On Thursday, May 02 2002 at 05:17 PM PDT, you wrote: A fool and his money are soon using Windows. I am/was beginning to experiment with Linux using Mandrake 8.2 but am disheartened to see signatures such as yours. How typical of Linux Users... and almost enough to make me gag and want to wipe Linux off my Computer. Tell me something Shane... Why do you feel Windows Users are fools? I use Windows... am I a fool in your eyes? You don't even know me, so where do you get off labelling me as one... and putting something like that in your signature? No wonder Users are slow to try Linux, what with greetings like yours. I am amazed that the List Moderators haven't said anything to you. Well the list moderators are slow to say anything about anything. Generally this list is prety free of flames. The signature implies to me that Microsoft is to blame for leading gullible people, but I never saw that the meaning everyone who uses windows is gullible could be read into it. Certainly I did not since I still have to use Windows to test doftware for compatibility and interoperability. If people felt they had a choice for most or all applications and persisted in using windows in the face of proven unreliability or laxness of security, then perhaps those windows users could be branded lazy or foolish, though I would never apply such labels. Behavior might be logical, but t sure doesn't have to be consistent, not for anyone. Well, there are plenty of proofs of lack of security, and plenty of evidences of lack of reliability, but whether someone is ready to switch is still a question based on acquired knowedge and skills, so the label doesn't fit. By the time it does, Microsoft may have improved the product to the point that security issues and reliability are more at parity. Linux _does_ require more skill for most operations, and some of that will _never_ vanish. Logins, for example, are here to stay, and anyone who produces a linux that avoids them is not likely to succeed, because it is bypassing some of the things that simply make good engineering sense. Now, with all of that said and with your frustration vented, I hope you will continue to explore the linux world and not worry too much about those with a misplaced sense of ethnic jokes,or who appear to have such a sense. As I say, I never saw the implication you observed. I have one from the days of Windows 95 that seems reasonable to share. Windows, a 32 bit extension of a 16 bit operating system for what was designed as an eight-bit processor which four bits users from criticizing creator, a two-bit comapny that can't stand one bit of competition. I hope that appears humorous to you, out of its obvious hyperbole. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
