Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?
On Saturday 06 March 2004 1:02 pm, Thinker pondered and enlightened us with: I am following the advice given by Derek Jennings for updating 10.0rc1 to full 10.0 release status. My question, before I 'urpmi --auto-select' is this.. I am currently logged in to KDE and I am sure several other things are running. Should I get out of KDE and stop what services I can BEFORE I attempt to update everything? What is the safest environment to be in when updating? I am currently running KDE, playing mp3s with XMMS and browsing the web while urpmi --auto --auto-select is working its tail off. Its no big deal using your box while upgrading. If stuff stops working, maybe its time to take a break at let urpmi do its job. I've done this once before, and its just fine. Rob -- Linux: For the people, by the people. Linux Counter #183693 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?
Greg Meyer wrote: I do it in runlevel 5 all the time from the command line. Log out of KDE and then when you see th egraphical login greeter, hit ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a console and do your urpmi --auto-select from there. When done, hit alt-F7 to get back to the greeter. Restart the xserver and then login. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Is this documented somewhere? I never knew before how to get to console from the graphical greeter. Maybe this should be in Twiki? -- Troy T. Hall Registered Linux User #342150 Mandrake Club Member Abilene, KS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?
On Sunday 07 March 2004 12:50 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: Is this documented somewhere? I never knew before how to get to console from the graphical greeter. Maybe this should be in Twiki? This is a very basic feature of Linux nad has been in exitence since forever. maybe it is so basic that everyone just assumes that everyone else knows how to do it. Actually, there are 6 virtual consoles, VT1 through VT6, accessed with a ctrl-alt-Fx sequence where x number of the console you wish to access. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?
Greg Meyer wrote: On Sunday 07 March 2004 12:50 pm, Troy Thomas Hall wrote: Is this documented somewhere? I never knew before how to get to console from the graphical greeter. Maybe this should be in Twiki? This is a very basic feature of Linux nad has been in exitence since forever. maybe it is so basic that everyone just assumes that everyone else knows how to do it. Actually, there are 6 virtual consoles, VT1 through VT6, accessed with a ctrl-alt-Fx sequence where x number of the console you wish to access. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com I knew about CTRL+F# through CLI but never knew how to do it from GUI. And I THOUGHT you had to choose permamently between graphical greeter and CLI unless you changed it. Course being the philosophy behind linux I should have known better. TYVM. -- Troy T. Hall Registered Linux User #342150 Mandrake Club Member Abilene, KS. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?
On Saturday 06 March 2004 04:02 pm, Thinker wrote: I am following the advice given by Derek Jennings for updating 10.0rc1 to full 10.0 release status. My question, before I 'urpmi --auto-select' is this.. I am currently logged in to KDE and I am sure several other things are running. Should I get out of KDE and stop what services I can BEFORE I attempt to update everything? What is the safest environment to be in when updating? I do it in runlevel 5 all the time from the command line. Log out of KDE and then when you see th egraphical login greeter, hit ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a console and do your urpmi --auto-select from there. When done, hit alt-F7 to get back to the greeter. Restart the xserver and then login. -- /g Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'URPMI auto-select' while logged in to KDE?
On Saturday 06 Mar 2004 21:02, Thinker wrote: I am following the advice given by Derek Jennings for updating 10.0rc1 to full 10.0 release status. My question, before I 'urpmi --auto-select' is this.. I am currently logged in to KDE and I am sure several other things are running. Should I get out of KDE and stop what services I can BEFORE I attempt to update everything? What is the safest environment to be in when updating? Thanks, -=Thinker Well I do it while logged into KDE, and without stopping any services. YMMV If you are worried then do a backup before proceeding. Note: If there is a preexisting config file in /etc which conflicts with the config file from a new package the old config file will be left in place and the new one will be suffixed .rpmnew You should review these files after install is complete to see if there is anything new which needs configuring. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
Many thanks Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charlie M. Sent: 23 September 2003 3:34:pm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 23, 2003 06:06 am, Ken Walker wrote: Hi Ken; Before anything else, open a super user mode terminal, or in a root console, type urpmi --help. You'll see the flags, syntax and what commands are available and what they do. All i get when i run urpmi --update urpmi.update -a -f enter The flags are -a (all matches at the command line) -f (force) or urpmi --update --auto urpmi --auto-select enter unless you don't want to see the list of packages before install starts. That's what the --auto flag does. As for the --update or --updates, it really isn't necessary since the only updates will be new package versions through the update directory source you have set up. is 'everything already installed' when i know everything isn't installed :o( ( and that's from a LM8.2 and LM9 ) Check the software sources you have listed in urpm. The old versions of Mandrake Linux have all been moved to the mandrakeold section of the mirrors or some such for those that are still carrying the packages at all. For example, the updates for 8.2 are available at: ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/8.2/RPMS and for 9.0: ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.0/RPMS The update packages are likely still available on many of the servers but I know that one works since I used it yesterday to update friends' data server for their home LAN. ps, if it did work, would it upgrade the kernel without giving me an option not to ? Ken I don't recall if 8.2 was the last release that would actually try to update a kernel, or the first that would install a kernel. Regardless, before doing any of the automatic updates I would *strongly* recommend that you download any update kernel and manually install using; rpm -ivh kernel-version number enter from a terminal as super user after navigating to the directory you saved the kernel in. That will install the new kernel alongside the existing one so that you can still boot the old one if you have trouble. Then in the same terminal (as insurance) type: /sbin/lilo -v enter To get lilo to add the kernel to the boot list. After that's done you can try the urpmi --auto-select again. Good luck Ken; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 08:02:06 up 2 days, 21:21, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.07, 0.07 Microsoft Windows didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/cFnTG11CaRuZZSIRApW6AKCnMqGvvtRX/XZ/CECvx+sNtTWl1gCeJAVG ERF42G4Za39H8tBPAd/DJHg= =KMSG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 25, 2003 05:31 am, Ken Walker wrote: Many thanks Ken I guess that means I didn't screw up the destructions this time? (-; You're very welcome Ken. Enjoy. Cheers; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 11:55:32 up 5 days, 1:15, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.14, 0.10 Save gas, don't use the shell. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/cyxyG11CaRuZZSIRAjwuAKCh2FTRfdSRhDB26yG+s2E9+A6NAQCdHb7F 4SB6lfa2uh2AFN2i6USem0s= =1ZBy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
RichardA wrote: On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the *update urpmi source only*. Examples: urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the *updates* urpmi source. urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi sources. Is it 'update', or 'updates'? I wonder if I did the wrong one because after I rebooted all hell broke loose. There were scary messages on boot. X loaded, but when I tried to log in, I was told /home didn't exist! (the message was something like 'you could try to use /root, but it won't work' ;). An upgrade still had problems, so I re-installed (it's handy to have /home is on a separate partition), reinstalled Sylpheed and everything is exactly as it was, bar a few things in /etc. If I got the update switch wrong, would updating from all sources completely fubar my setup like that? Richard It is --update. I apologize for the mistype in my example. I don't think it would do anything at all if you typed in --updates. I believe it would exit and tell you that --updates is not a valid option. As far as what has happened to your system...whether or not updating from all of your sources will fubar your system depends on what sources you have specified. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake Linux 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk Reiserfs and XFS | KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 03:55:00 up 16 days, 15:10, 1 user, load average: 0.22, 0.23, 0.14 --- All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 23, 2003 06:06 am, Ken Walker wrote: Hi Ken; Before anything else, open a super user mode terminal, or in a root console, type urpmi --help. You'll see the flags, syntax and what commands are available and what they do. All i get when i run urpmi --update urpmi.update -a -f enter The flags are -a (all matches at the command line) -f (force) or urpmi --update --auto urpmi --auto-select enter unless you don't want to see the list of packages before install starts. That's what the --auto flag does. As for the --update or --updates, it really isn't necessary since the only updates will be new package versions through the update directory source you have set up. is 'everything already installed' when i know everything isn't installed :o( ( and that's from a LM8.2 and LM9 ) Check the software sources you have listed in urpm. The old versions of Mandrake Linux have all been moved to the mandrakeold section of the mirrors or some such for those that are still carrying the packages at all. For example, the updates for 8.2 are available at: ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/8.2/RPMS and for 9.0: ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/linux/mandrake/updates/9.0/RPMS The update packages are likely still available on many of the servers but I know that one works since I used it yesterday to update friends' data server for their home LAN. ps, if it did work, would it upgrade the kernel without giving me an option not to ? Ken I don't recall if 8.2 was the last release that would actually try to update a kernel, or the first that would install a kernel. Regardless, before doing any of the automatic updates I would *strongly* recommend that you download any update kernel and manually install using; rpm -ivh kernel-version number enter from a terminal as super user after navigating to the directory you saved the kernel in. That will install the new kernel alongside the existing one so that you can still boot the old one if you have trouble. Then in the same terminal (as insurance) type: /sbin/lilo -v enter To get lilo to add the kernel to the boot list. After that's done you can try the urpmi --auto-select again. Good luck Ken; Charlie - -- Edmonton,AB,Canada User 244963 at http://counter.li.org Cooker on kernel 2.4.22-10mdk 08:02:06 up 2 days, 21:21, 1 user, load average: 0.13, 0.07, 0.07 Microsoft Windows didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/cFnTG11CaRuZZSIRApW6AKCnMqGvvtRX/XZ/CECvx+sNtTWl1gCeJAVG ERF42G4Za39H8tBPAd/DJHg= =KMSG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
On Tue, 23 Sep 2003 04:01:19 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is --update. I apologize for the mistype in my example. I don't think it would do anything at all if you typed in --updates. I believe it would exit and tell you that --updates is not a valid option. As far as what has happened to your system...whether or not updating from all of your sources will fubar your system depends on what sources you have specified. I lost my sources in the re-install, but they must have been conflicting, as you say. Before I tried an upgrade, I booted from CD1, mounted the partitions and copied /var/log/messages to /root so I could look at it later. I thought I was being really clever, but then I re-installed and lost it anyway... Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the *update urpmi source only*. Examples: urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the *updates* urpmi source. urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi sources. Is it 'update', or 'updates'? I wonder if I did the wrong one because after I rebooted all hell broke loose. There were scary messages on boot. X loaded, but when I tried to log in, I was told /home didn't exist! (the message was something like 'you could try to use /root, but it won't work' ;). An upgrade still had problems, so I re-installed (it's handy to have /home is on a separate partition), reinstalled Sylpheed and everything is exactly as it was, bar a few things in /etc. If I got the update switch wrong, would updating from all sources completely fubar my setup like that? Richard -- Get up and turn I loose Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
- Original Message - From: RichardA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 02:47 Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:20:49 -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the *update urpmi source only*. Examples: urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the *updates* urpmi source. urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi sources. Is it 'update', or 'updates'? I wonder if I did the wrong one because after I rebooted all hell broke loose. There were scary messages on boot. X loaded, but when I tried to log in, I was told /home didn't exist! (the message was something like 'you could try to use /root, but it won't work' ;). An upgrade still had problems, so I re-installed (it's handy to have /home is on a separate partition), reinstalled Sylpheed and everything is exactly as it was, bar a few things in /etc. If I got the update switch wrong, would updating from all sources completely fubar my setup like that? hi richard, it's 'update', as in urpmi --update --auto-select generally, you shouldn't do a pure urpmi --auto-select unless you only have the original mandrake installation (and update) sources defined, or you know very well what u're trying to do. (eg, run cooker) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
RichardA wrote: On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 23:05:46 +0300, Phazeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are talking about Mandrake 9.1 then the answer is simple - your rpm db just broke up. It's pretty simple to fix it though. First you have to delete the old rpm db: # rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__db.* then just rebuild the db (without loosing the currently installed packages list): #rpm --rebuilddb I don't think i have to mention that all this should be done as root After the rebuilddb finish - go ahaead and update your sources again (urpmi.update -a). And next time you want to update something ONLY from the updates mirror - you can use the --update switch with the urpmi that tells it to use ONLY the updates. It's MDK 9.0, but I don't think that matters in this case. I've used this fix before, but I didn't recognise that it was needed for this fault. Thanks. I don't understand the last part of your message. What is significant about the --update switch? The urpmi mini-howto says Once the security source is added, we can check for and install security updates with urpmi.update -a followed by urpmi --auto-select. Richard The --update switch tells urpmi to update the system from the *update urpmi source only*. Examples: urpmi --updates --auto-select will update everything from the *updates* urpmi source. urpmi --auto-select will update the machine from *all* urpmi sources. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Linux user #322847 | Linux machine #207465 | http://counter.li.org/ AMD Duron 1.3GHz | Mandrake Linux 9.1 | Kernel 2.4.21-0.16mm-mdk Reiserfs and XFS | KDE 3.1.3 | Mozilla 1.4 Mail Client Uptime: 13:15:01 up 13 days, 30 min, 1 user, load average: 0.49, 0.53, 0.52 --- All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
- Original Message - From: RichardA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 23:40 Subject: Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select I don't understand the last part of your message. What is significant about the --update switch? The urpmi mini-howto says Once the security source is added, we can check for and install security updates with urpmi.update -a followed by urpmi --auto-select. Richard the --update forces urpmi to only use sources defined as an update source. eg. you have a official mandrake update mirror for mandrake 8.2, and a plf urpmi source. if you simply urpmi --auto-select, it tries to update every single program for which a newer rpm exists (on any source), even if it's not defined as an update source. this may result in very messed up systems, depending on what urpmi sources are configured. hope this explanation helps Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 18 September 2003 21:25, RichardA wrote: The ssh exploit reminded me to update. I did urpmi.update -a, which went fine. Then I did urpmi -v --auto-select. It wanted to download 300MB +, so I let it. Then a message about bad signatures, so I said yes again. Then:: starting installing packages rpmdb: region error detected; run recovery. Can't call method create_transaction on an undefined value at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.0/urpm.pm line 2008, STDIN line 2. Something is broken, methinks. Richard If you are talking about Mandrake 9.1 then the answer is simple - your rpm db just broke up. It's pretty simple to fix it though. First you have to delete the old rpm db: # rm -rf /var/lib/rpm/__db.* then just rebuild the db (without loosing the currently installed packages list): #rpm --rebuilddb I don't think i have to mention that all this should be done as root After the rebuilddb finish - go ahaead and update your sources again (urpmi.update -a). And next time you want to update something ONLY from the updates mirror - you can use the --update switch with the urpmi that tells it to use ONLY the updates. - -- Yours Phazeman - - Linux registered user #218370 Using Mandrake Linux 9.1 Mandrake Club Registered User -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/ahAaMPblvdKsczYRAoc+AKDLgiO3WvgXMyfyBbqhqaWKRhAMNgCeJrGW oUb0Rg9/Joc3By8vhD3JY04= =6BFi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select?
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 18:00, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings, I was just updating my system with the latest bunch of updates from Mdk (BIG bunch). I installed a few packages, and then decided it would be simpler to just use the urpmi --auto-select command, and go to bed. When I issued the command however, urpmi informed me that two packages have to be removed in order for others to be updated...Timidity++2.11.3-1mdk and timidity-instruments-1.0-15mdk. Does this mean I won't be able to install these again?? I need these packages for midi output. :-/ Can anyone tell me what this means? TIA for any feedback. :-) --Angus * Stephen Kuhn wrote: By no means does removing Timidity deny your output of MIDI. It can be reinstalled at a later date and time. Nothing to worry about hometeam. ** Thanks Stephen, I had some issues with my winmodem concerning these latest updates as is outlined in a seperate posting. I'm back on-line with Mdk now tho. :-) I wonder why urpmi has to uninstall Timidity anyway? Shared dependencies? All the best. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber *** *Reg. Linux User #278931* *** *Power by Mandrake Linux 9.0* *** -- ___ Get your free email from http://mymail.operamail.com Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select?
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 06:04, Seedkum Aladeem wrote: By no means does removing Timidity deny your output of MIDI. It can be reinstalled at a later date and time. Nothing to worry about hometeam. I faced the same issue as Angus. Urpmi refused to upgrade KDE until it uninstalled timidity. After updateing KDE I tried installing timidity back but urpmi told me that I need to uninstall some of the KDE sound modules. it looks like timidity KDE do not go together any more. Seedkum Well, as I've stated before, I think the only way to properly get KDE installed and/or upgraded is by doing by hand. Seems to be the least amount of hassle and problem - and unless the inconvenience of rebuilding the menu structure is a higher priority than an upgraded bit of the OS, well... -- Thu Jan 16 08:30:00 EST 2003 8:30am up 2 days, 11 min, 4 users, load average: 0.43, 0.23, 0.09 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- How many coming men has one known! Where on earth do they all go to? -- Sir Arthur Wing Pinero Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] urpmi --auto-select?
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 18:00, Angus Auld wrote: Greetings, I was just updating my system with the latest bunch of updates from Mdk (BIG bunch). I installed a few packages, and then decided it would be simpler to just use the urpmi --auto-select command, and go to bed. When I issued the command however, urpmi informed me that two packages have to be removed in order for others to be updated...Timidity++2.11.3-1mdk and timidity-instruments-1.0-15mdk. Does this mean I won't be able to install these again?? I need these packages for midi output. :-/ Can anyone tell me what this means? TIA for any feedback. :-) --Angus By no means does removing Timidity deny your output of MIDI. It can be reinstalled at a later date and time. Nothing to worry about hometeam. -- Wed Jan 15 18:00:01 EST 2003 6:00pm up 1 day, 9:41, 4 users, load average: 0.48, 0.22, 0.28 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- Life is not for everyone. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com