Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
John Richard Smith wrote: Graham Banks wrote: John wrote: Snip I'm not really sure , but we have been told here on newbie that once one install of M9.1 is completed on the second more options are available Snip John Yesterday I took a deep beath and installed a vanilla mdk9.1 on a spare partition and voila when it came to load lilo the option was there to skip the bootloader installation. So you're at the install boot loader option, take me step by step to where it says you can skip lilo install. Graham John Later : Friday 4th July , misindependence day. I found something out today about changing the lilo.conf from which lilo reads to boot two different M9.0 and M9.1 OS's. If you want to change which /etc/lilo.conf lilo boots from just boot into the relevent OS, and arange the stanzas in /etc/lilo.conf to suit, and then /sbin/lilo. that makes lilo adopt that /etc/lilo.conf. I'm guessing that the same holds true of two identicle mandrake OS's. So if you are installing two identicle Mandrake OS's and the second install makes you reinstall lilo against your wishes, just boot up into the first OS and run /sbin/lilo, and I'm guessing it will revert it back to that OS's /etc/lilo.conf. John John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
John Richard Smith wrote: My wife suggested that , but I told her I couldn't find the cable and the scissors wont cut. you can sharpen your scissors by closing then on a nail. peace out. tc,hago. g . -- =+= think green... save a tree, save a life, save time, save bandwidth, save storage. send email: text/plain - disable pgp/gpg/geek code attachments. =+= if you are proud to be an american, then buy made in america. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
At 12:04 PM 6/28/2003 +0100, you wrote: snip Femme, you may of hit on the solution. I'm not sure whether it will not only write to floppy but also insist on writing to MBR as well. My experience is that once in install lilo you aren't left with a choice, so that even if you elect to create boot floppy which is what your saying, it still wants to write something to MBR when finished. Hmmm, wants trying . John I was in a situation similar to yours some months back John. I tried it on 8.x 9.0 it worked fine. Lilo just needed to write somewhere, it didn't care where...and I had no Lilo on my hard drive afterwards. Worth a shot as I don't think MDK would rewrite lilo code to purposefully screw someone out of dualbooting the way you are wishing to set it up. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
FemmeFatale wrote: At 09:48 PM 6/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: Snip well if ya need help i'm sure we'll all be here with bells on waiting to pitch in :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Currently my mplayer picture and sound are out of sync on DVD play. John Well i can dance with my bells on but that won't help you with this issue will it? :D DVD I know nothing about. sorry. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert I suspect I need a better updated driver for DVD sound. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
g wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: Currently my mplayer picture and sound are out of sync on DVD play. have you tried shortening or lengthening audio cables? peace out. tc,hago. g . My wife suggested that , but I told her I couldn't find the cable and the scissors wont cut. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
ed tharp wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-01 at 04:02, John Richard Smith wrote: FemmeFatale wrote: At 09:48 PM 6/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: Snip well if ya need help i'm sure we'll all be here with bells on waiting to pitch in :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Currently my mplayer picture and sound are out of sync on DVD play. John Well i can dance with my bells on but that won't help you with this issue will it? :D DVD I know nothing about. sorry. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert I suspect I need a better updated driver for DVD sound. John have you tried the multimedia kernel? what you might be experiencing could be a latency issue, that might be greatly helped with the MM kernel Sorry, please explain ? -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
FemmeFatale wrote: At 12:04 PM 6/28/2003 +0100, you wrote: snip Femme, you may of hit on the solution. I'm not sure whether it will not only write to floppy but also insist on writing to MBR as well. My experience is that once in install lilo you aren't left with a choice, so that even if you elect to create boot floppy which is what your saying, it still wants to write something to MBR when finished. Hmmm, wants trying . John I was in a situation similar to yours some months back John. I tried it on 8.x 9.0 it worked fine. Lilo just needed to write somewhere, it didn't care where...and I had no Lilo on my hard drive afterwards. Worth a shot as I don't think MDK would rewrite lilo code to purposefully screw someone out of dualbooting the way you are wishing to set it up. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt I'll give it a try, on my next install. However I'm thinking it was between M9.0 and M9.1 when all the options started changing, so I'm not really sure , but we have been told here on newbie that once one install of M9.1 is completed on the second more options are available I hope so, it has not been the case with my dual boot M9.0 + M9.1, but that of course is one OS each . When and if I finally get my current M9.1 up and running to my own satisfation I'm going to wipe M9.0 once and probably for all, and begin instaling a second M9.1 and update it from cooker. I still have a number of issues to clear up on the first and current M9.1, before I can begin. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
At 11:07 AM 6/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: Snip I'll give it a try, on my next install. However I'm thinking it was between M9.0 and M9.1 when all the options started changing, so I'm not really sure , but we have been told here on newbie that once one install of M9.1 is completed on the second more options are available I hope so, it has not been the case with my dual boot M9.0 + M9.1, but that of course is one OS each . When and if I finally get my current M9.1 up and running to my own satisfation I'm going to wipe M9.0 once and probably for all, and begin instaling a second M9.1 and update it from cooker. I still have a number of issues to clear up on the first and current M9.1, before I can begin. John well if ya need help i'm sure we'll all be here with bells on waiting to pitch in :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
At 09:48 PM 6/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: Snip well if ya need help i'm sure we'll all be here with bells on waiting to pitch in :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Currently my mplayer picture and sound are out of sync on DVD play. John Well i can dance with my bells on but that won't help you with this issue will it? :D DVD I know nothing about. sorry. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
FemmeFatale wrote: At 11:07 AM 6/30/2003 +0100, you wrote: Snip I'll give it a try, on my next install. However I'm thinking it was between M9.0 and M9.1 when all the options started changing, so I'm not really sure , but we have been told here on newbie that once one install of M9.1 is completed on the second more options are available I hope so, it has not been the case with my dual boot M9.0 + M9.1, but that of course is one OS each . When and if I finally get my current M9.1 up and running to my own satisfation I'm going to wipe M9.0 once and probably for all, and begin instaling a second M9.1 and update it from cooker. I still have a number of issues to clear up on the first and current M9.1, before I can begin. John well if ya need help i'm sure we'll all be here with bells on waiting to pitch in :) - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Currently my mplayer picture and sound are out of sync on DVD play. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
John wrote: Snip I'm not really sure , but we have been told here on newbie that once one install of M9.1 is completed on the second more options are available Snip John On one of my systems I have mdk9.1 with kernel 2.4.21-0.18 which I have played around with for a couple of months getting things right. I decided to try dual booting with the same os so that I can optimise my system with what I have learned. (I ended up with a lot of crap from my efforts...as is sometimes the case when learning) Yesterday I took a deep beath and installed a vanilla mdk9.1 on a spare partition and voila when it came to load lilo the option was there to skip the bootloader installation. I installed with the existing /boot partition then edited lilo.conf from my existing 2.4.21-0.18 install to point to the partition containing the new vanilla 2.4.21-0.13 installation - reran lilo as root - rebooted and was able to select from either version of the kernel. The only thing I had to do was reinstall the nvidia drivers for the new kernel and edit the XF86Config-4 accordingly. I did it mainly as an exercise to familiarise myself with the process for the upcoming 9.2 release and now feel confident enough to eventually install mdk9.2 (when released) with mdk9.1 on the same drive in one computer. Graham -- Proudly powered by GNU/Linux Mandrake-9.1 kernel 2.4.21-0.18 Registered Linux User #309089 Machine #195076 A7N8X XP2700+ 512RAM Gf4Ti4600 80Gb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
On Monday 30 June 2003 06:07 pm, FemmeFatale wrote: Well i can dance with my bells on but that won't help you with this issue will it? :D DVD I know nothing about. sorry. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Wish I could see that! :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
FemmeFatale wrote: At 07:43 PM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote: Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO in essence skipping writing to your MBR? - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt No I didn't Femme, is that a way to prevent lilo being written then ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prevents it from being written to the MBR of your hard drive Yes. It will write Lilo to the floppy's MBR tho if you need to copy it from there to a relevant partition change it to reflect new pointers you can. Simple elegant solution IMO. You can do this with a disk-on-key too if need be ofc. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Femme, you may of hit on the solution. I'm not sure whether it will not only write to floppy but also insist on writing to MBR as well. My experience is that once in install lilo you aren't left with a choice, so that even if you elect to create boot floppy which is what your saying, it still wants to write something to MBR when finished. Hmmm, wants trying . John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 install to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's there I couldn't find it. Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of install of DrakeX itself. We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip onto the next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this is now no longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the install bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of clicking a cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone please inform me ! John stormjumper wrote: i'm not sure if this has been covered, but have you tried expert mode (or text mode)? i'm quite sure i've seen the option somewhere when installing 9.1, but it's been some time since. - Original Message - From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 03:03 Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS OK, But on the current release M9.1 , where is the tab to not install Lilo in the MBR or anywhere else for that matter. I have'nt noticed any choice so far ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:45:45 +0100 John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 install to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's there I couldn't find it. Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of install of DrakeX itself. We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip onto the next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this is now no longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the install bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of clicking a cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone please inform me ! John I'm thinking that you might need to use the expert mode to install MDK and not install LILO, but I'm not sure about that. Just in case, that is not correct, make a backup copy of your existing lilo.conf and then do the install. One of two things will happen. Your new install will put lilo on the MBR of the new HD (meaning when your original mounts on reboot, your new one won't be there in the list, since the old lilo doesn't know about the new drive). If that's the case, just add the lines to lilo.conf for your new drive, rerun lilo and reboot. All should be fine. On the other hand, your new install might overwrite the original MBR and you are now without your original lilo.conf. If that is the case, add either add the lines to the new lilo.conf for your original drive or copy the backup of the lilo.conf back, edit it for the new drive. Either way, run lilo before rebooting. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
Joeb wrote: On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 10:45:45 +0100 John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking that you might need to use the expert mode to install MDK and not install LILO, but I'm not sure about that. Joeb, I always use expert mode, only way to get choices. Just in case, that is not correct, make a backup copy of your existing lilo.conf Oh , sure I can do that, and usually do, since it's easier to copy and paste script than rememeber all the individual lines. and then do the install. One of two things will happen. Your new install will put lilo on the MBR of the new HD (meaning when your original mounts on reboot, your new one won't be there in the list, since the old lilo doesn't know about the new drive). If that's the case, just add the lines to lilo.conf for your new drive, rerun lilo and reboot. Oh sure I know how to do all this, no problemo. All should be fine. On the other hand, your new install might overwrite the original MBR and you are now without your original lilo.conf. that's right. and the new lilo install is mapped to the wrong /etc/lilo.conf If that is the case, add either add the lines to the new lilo.conf for your original drive or copy the backup of the lilo.conf back, edit it for the new drive. Either way, run lilo before rebooting. well yes but it leaves me the wrong way round, in escence I'm booting form the wrong /etc/lilo.conf on the gash experimental OS , when I want to be booting from the /etc/lilo.conf of the original first M9.1 install. Is It possible to restore the original lilo install , the one mapped to the first M9.1 /etc/lilo.conf ? You see I don't know how to do that with the F1-rescue- install new boot loader when you have 2 identicle M9.1 OS's for it to choose from. Suppose I were to bastardise the wrong /etc/lilo.conf and leave it rejected in the /sbin/lilo check. Maybe that would cause the CD1 f1-rescue-install new bootloader with no other choice but to work with the correct /etc/lilo.conf. Dunno ? what do you think ? John Joeb -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
FemmeFatale wrote: At 10:45 AM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote: Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 install to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's there I couldn't find it. Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of install of DrakeX itself. We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip onto the next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this is now no longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the install bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of clicking a cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone please inform me ! John Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO in essence skipping writing to your MBR? - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt No I didn't Femme, is that a way to prevent lilo being written then ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
At 10:45 AM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote: Well all I can say is that I took particular care on my last M9.1 install to try and find a skip lilo install facility, and if it's there I couldn't find it. Part of the problem lies with the changed layout and method of install of DrakeX itself. We did have a series of active tabs down the lefthand side of the installer window and in most cases it was possible to merely skip onto the next item on the list when install boot loader came up. this is now no longer possible. It insists on you at least entering the install bootloader programme, so I assumed there must be some way of clicking a cancell tab , but as I say I couldn't find one. Someone please inform me ! John Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO in essence skipping writing to your MBR? - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
At 07:43 PM 6/27/2003 +0100, you wrote: Did you try writing this to floppy instead? Thus satisying LILO in essence skipping writing to your MBR? - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt No I didn't Femme, is that a way to prevent lilo being written then ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Prevents it from being written to the MBR of your hard drive Yes. It will write Lilo to the floppy's MBR tho if you need to copy it from there to a relevant partition change it to reflect new pointers you can. Simple elegant solution IMO. You can do this with a disk-on-key too if need be ofc. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
John Richard Smith wrote: Charles Roberts wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: I'm thinking about dual booting the same OS but updating the second to test. I'm not sure of all the implications. I have a /boot partition. That means I will be overwriting the first kernel init etc, with the same, cannot think that is likely to be any problem. Lilo will still be in the MBR, but it will have the script from second install, because there is no option available these days to skip lilo install.Developers please note. Second install will use it's own /etc/lilo.conf file. but this is likely to be the naff OS , especially if it goes wrong with the updates. Not, to my mind, a satisfactory state of affairs. I want to be booting everything from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf. Question is how to do that. F1-rescue - install new bootloader , but it's going to have two identicle OS's each with it's own /etc/lilo.conf how will it know which to choose ? In otherwords how do I tell it which OS /etc/lilo.conf script it's to use ? each OS will have it's seperate partition, lets say for arguements sake, M9.1 OS1 on /hda7 M9.1 OS2 on /hda6 can I pass some arguement in the F1 -rescue - install new boot loader , to tell it which partition to look for an /etc/lilo.conf ? Does say, F1 - rescue /dev/hda7 make anything useful happen to where it reads /etc/lilo.conf ? I bet there is a way round this anyone ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi John; Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS: 1st OS install lilo in MBR 2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like this: other=/dev/hda5 label=Debian or whatever In the 2nd OS lilo; boot=/dev/hda5 root=/dev/hda5 everthing else normal Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os. If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's. HTH Charles So if I've understood you correctly, in effect you're chainloading two lilo's , one stored in the MBR(to work with windblows , chainloader fashion)and booting M9.1 OS1 from it's /etc/lilo.conf and a second lilo in the M9.1 OS2 situated in it's / partition,it seems a mite complicated. In addition I'm not too sure how you get the second OS install to put the second lilo in it's / partiton, when the installer will be conscious of the windblows/OS1 lilo MBR presence and wanting to shove lilo in the MBR again. currently I have, /dev/hda1 W2000 /dev/hda7 M9.1 (straight install, no updates) /dev/hda6 M9.0 (to be replaced with M9.1 , together with cooker updates) At the moment so long as I have two Different linux OS's I can switch which OS /etc/lilo.conf file is read and run at boot time, by replacing the lilo in the MBR with either F1 - rescue - install bootloader from either CD1 of each OS. The problem here is that I have two identicle OS's and I'm affraid that having just the one CD1 to do the F1 - rescue - install bootloader it will not know which /etc/lilo.conf to run at boot time. This is because each OS has it's own /etc/lilo.conf in the relevant / partition. Maybe it doesn't matter so long as each /etc/lilo.conf is constructed to boot either OS, so that whichever /etc/lilo.conf it chooses to run , it will still have enough script to boot either OS.Still I'd like to be a mite more precise about it. Maybe you are right though. Having two Identicle OS means having to lilo's to boot with. John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Yes. This way uses 2 lilo.conf. One in the MBR (by having 'boot=/dev/hda' in the 1st OS lilo.conf, and the other lilo.conf goes in /dev/hda9 (by having 'boot=/dev/hda9' in the 2nd OS lilo.conf. If you would like to be more precise about it, read 'man lilo.conf'. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
Charles Roberts wrote: Yes. This way uses 2 lilo.conf. One in the MBR (by having 'boot=/dev/hda' in the 1st OS lilo.conf, and the other lilo.conf goes in /dev/hda9 (by having 'boot=/dev/hda9' in the 2nd OS lilo.conf. If you would like to be more precise about it, read 'man lilo.conf'. Charles Oh, yes , I've read that a few times before. Constructing the lilo.conf file is not the problem. I want a way that will work with a /boot partition and give me DUAL M9.1 choice, and be easy to install and configure. The question is this . Install 1, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7 lilo in MBR.fine, this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7 Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6 lilo still in MBR but overwrites previous LILO this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7, or /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda6, and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 how do I do that ? Is it possible ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
When installing the second 9.1, don't install any boot loader. Then, reboot to your old linux, modify the lilo.conf and add the lines pointing to the second copy (don't forget to rerun lilo). Then reboot and select the second install and it should come up. Joeb ---Original Message--- From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06/26/03 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS The question is this . Install 1, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7 lilo in MBR.fine, this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7 Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6 lilo still in MBR but overwrites previous LILO this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7, or /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda6, and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 how do I do that ? Is it possible ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
John Richard Smith wrote: Charles Roberts wrote: Yes. This way uses 2 lilo.conf. One in the MBR (by having 'boot=/dev/hda' in the 1st OS lilo.conf, and the other lilo.conf goes in /dev/hda9 (by having 'boot=/dev/hda9' in the 2nd OS lilo.conf. If you would like to be more precise about it, read 'man lilo.conf'. Charles Oh, yes , I've read that a few times before. Constructing the lilo.conf file is not the problem. I want a way that will work with a /boot partition and give me DUAL M9.1 choice, and be easy to install and configure. The question is this . Install 1, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7 lilo in MBR.fine, this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7 Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6 lilo still in MBR but overwrites previous LILO this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7, or /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda6, and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 how do I do that ? Is it possible ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi John, If I understand correctly, you are booted from /dev/hda6 and wish to execute lilo using the lilo.config file from /dev/hda7! Presumeably as if you were booted from /dev/hda7??? If so: from /dev/hda6; make a mount point in /mnt with this command: mkdir hda7 now mount hda7 thus: mount /dev/hda7 /mnt/hda7 now 'cd /mnt/hda7' now issue this command 'chroot /mnt/hda7 /bin/bash' This will make this vt ( this vt only) as if it were another OS at /mnt/hda7 (root starts at /mnt/hda7) 'edit' etc/lilo.conf (notice no '/' before etc). this will edit the lilo.conf for /dev/hda7. now execute 'lilo' and it will use lilo from /dev/hda7 the lilo.conf from /dev/hda7. Whatever you do in this vt, it will act like 'root' is anchored at /mnt/hda7. To get out of this 'chroot' vt, just type 'exit'. I hope this is what you need. Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
OK, But on the current release M9.1 , where is the tab to not install Lilo in the MBR or anywhere else for that matter. I have'nt noticed any choice so far ? John Joeb wrote: When installing the second 9.1, don't install any boot loader. Then, reboot to your old linux, modify the lilo.conf and add the lines pointing to the second copy (don't forget to rerun lilo). Then reboot and select the second install and it should come up. Joeb ---Original Message--- From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06/26/03 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS The question is this . Install 1, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda7 lilo in MBR.fine, this reads /etc/lilo.conf from partition/dev/hda7 Install 2, OS M9.1 on /dev/hda6 lilo still in MBR but overwrites previous LILO this will read which /etc/lilo.conf ? because now you have two /etc/lilo.conf /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7, or /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda6, and what is more, if I want to make it read /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hda7 how do I do that ? Is it possible ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
i'm not sure if this has been covered, but have you tried expert mode (or text mode)? i'm quite sure i've seen the option somewhere when installing 9.1, but it's been some time since. - Original Message - From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 27, 2003 03:03 Subject: Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS OK, But on the current release M9.1 , where is the tab to not install Lilo in the MBR or anywhere else for that matter. I have'nt noticed any choice so far ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
John Richard Smith wrote: I'm thinking about dual booting the same OS but updating the second to test. I'm not sure of all the implications. I have a /boot partition. That means I will be overwriting the first kernel init etc, with the same, cannot think that is likely to be any problem. Lilo will still be in the MBR, but it will have the script from second install, because there is no option available these days to skip lilo install.Developers please note. Second install will use it's own /etc/lilo.conf file. but this is likely to be the naff OS , especially if it goes wrong with the updates. Not, to my mind, a satisfactory state of affairs. I want to be booting everything from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf. Question is how to do that. F1-rescue - install new bootloader , but it's going to have two identicle OS's each with it's own /etc/lilo.conf how will it know which to choose ? In otherwords how do I tell it which OS /etc/lilo.conf script it's to use ? each OS will have it's seperate partition, lets say for arguements sake, M9.1 OS1 on /hda7 M9.1 OS2 on /hda6 can I pass some arguement in the F1 -rescue - install new boot loader , to tell it which partition to look for an /etc/lilo.conf ? Does say, F1 - rescue /dev/hda7 make anything useful happen to where it reads /etc/lilo.conf ? I bet there is a way round this anyone ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi John; Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS: 1st OS install lilo in MBR 2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like this: other=/dev/hda5 label=Debian or whatever In the 2nd OS lilo; boot=/dev/hda5 root=/dev/hda5 everthing else normal Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os. If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's. HTH Charles Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 08:50:58 -0400 Charles Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John; Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS: 1st OS install lilo in MBR 2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like this: other=/dev/hda5 label=Debian or whatever In the 2nd OS lilo; boot=/dev/hda5 root=/dev/hda5 everthing else normal Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os. If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's. HTH Charles Surprising how many question asked here that respond to questions I haven't asked yet. You people are good! Thanks John for asking my question and Charles for the answer. I'd be grateful to get a copy of your lillo.conf's Curt Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
Charles Roberts wrote: John Richard Smith wrote: I'm thinking about dual booting the same OS but updating the second to test. I'm not sure of all the implications. I have a /boot partition. That means I will be overwriting the first kernel init etc, with the same, cannot think that is likely to be any problem. Lilo will still be in the MBR, but it will have the script from second install, because there is no option available these days to skip lilo install.Developers please note. Second install will use it's own /etc/lilo.conf file. but this is likely to be the naff OS , especially if it goes wrong with the updates. Not, to my mind, a satisfactory state of affairs. I want to be booting everything from the first OS /etc/lilo.conf. Question is how to do that. F1-rescue - install new bootloader , but it's going to have two identicle OS's each with it's own /etc/lilo.conf how will it know which to choose ? In otherwords how do I tell it which OS /etc/lilo.conf script it's to use ? each OS will have it's seperate partition, lets say for arguements sake, M9.1 OS1 on /hda7 M9.1 OS2 on /hda6 can I pass some arguement in the F1 -rescue - install new boot loader , to tell it which partition to look for an /etc/lilo.conf ? Does say, F1 - rescue /dev/hda7 make anything useful happen to where it reads /etc/lilo.conf ? I bet there is a way round this anyone ? John Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi John; Not sure if I understand all you have said! But to boot two OS: 1st OS install lilo in MBR 2nd OS install lilo in the 2nd OS's hard disk partition. like this root=hda5, boot=hda5 Change hda5 to where ever you installed the 2nd OS Add an 'other' line in the 1st OS lilo to point to the 2nd OS. like this: other=/dev/hda5 label=Debian or whatever In the 2nd OS lilo; boot=/dev/hda5 root=/dev/hda5 everthing else normal Now when you boot, select 'Debian' which will take you to the 2nd OS lilo. then select what you want from the 2nd Os. If you want I will send you my 2 lilo.conf's. HTH Charles So if I've understood you correctly, in effect you're chainloading two lilo's , one stored in the MBR(to work with windblows , chainloader fashion)and booting M9.1 OS1 from it's /etc/lilo.conf and a second lilo in the M9.1 OS2 situated in it's / partition,it seems a mite complicated. In addition I'm not too sure how you get the second OS install to put the second lilo in it's / partiton, when the installer will be conscious of the windblows/OS1 lilo MBR presence and wanting to shove lilo in the MBR again. currently I have, /dev/hda1 W2000 /dev/hda7 M9.1 (straight install, no updates) /dev/hda6 M9.0 (to be replaced with M9.1 , together with cooker updates) At the moment so long as I have two Different linux OS's I can switch which OS /etc/lilo.conf file is read and run at boot time, by replacing the lilo in the MBR with either F1 - rescue - install bootloader from either CD1 of each OS. The problem here is that I have two identicle OS's and I'm affraid that having just the one CD1 to do the F1 - rescue - install bootloader it will not know which /etc/lilo.conf to run at boot time. This is because each OS has it's own /etc/lilo.conf in the relevant / partition. Maybe it doesn't matter so long as each /etc/lilo.conf is constructed to boot either OS, so that whichever /etc/lilo.conf it chooses to run , it will still have enough script to boot either OS.Still I'd like to be a mite more precise about it. Maybe you are right though. Having two Identicle OS means having to lilo's to boot with. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Dual Booting the same OS
On Tuesday 24 Jun 2003 3:59 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: I'm thinking about dual booting the same OS but updating the second to test. Second install will use it's own /etc/lilo.conf file. but this is likely to be the naff OS , especially if it goes wrong with the updates. Before you start, amend the existing stanza, renaming it any way you want. Then when the new one installs it includes all the others it finds. It will, of course, be default, but that's easily changed. I wouldn't have thought you need anything more exotic. As far as I can see you won't be doing anything risky to the kernel, so messing up anything else won't matter on the second install. Alternatively, you could always make your experiments on the new install, keeping the old one as a fall-back. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
