RE: [newbie] First suspect - me
I agree, thats why they are lite-on's I always buy them, and generally they are flawless... by burner and DVD player are liteon as well.. never put a foot wrong.. for the price, you can't do better. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2002 5:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] First suspect - me On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:16 am, you wrote: No, even brand new CDrom drives have problems. I'll restate the bit about CD-RW's having 'better' lasers (and spindles). As to 48x and 50x, I've found the the faster drives tend to have more problems. Civileme stated much the same in a post some months ago, stating that anything over 12x actually caused a degredation in reading [my paraprhase]. For his exact words you'll need to search the newbie archive. Sorry, I can't begin to remember the subject of that thread. I wouldn't go as far as 12x, but if I were lookin for a new drive I'd try'n find a 24x from a quality vendor (eg, Plextor). I'm with Tom here - I used, I say *used* to buy those generic brand X CD-ROMs from Tiger Direct all the time - until about half of them died. Now, I buy brand name only - currently I have a Toshiba DVD and a Plextor CDRW. Its the way to go folks. :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
Technoslick wrote: I believe the same. Therefore, after having said what I did in my earlier post, I still would like to see us all look for fixes. There's so much talent coming here that I find it hard to believe we can't systematically find some direction in helping Mandrake resolve the idiosyncrasies, if not come up with the fix ourselves. Your comparison was perfect, to my mind. It's an intermittent problem that comes and goes, leaving some not believing the problem exists and others wanting to kick if for the trouble it has brought to them. I was thinking about what was said here by some, that supermount would either cause a busy cycle and lock up the device from changing media, or time-out and unmount when that was not what was desired. It would seem to me that the problem would be in the way the program decides when it should mount, how long it should stay mounted, and when it should unmount. It seems to make sense that the way the motherboard or BIOS handles things has an effect. I couldn't begin to explain intelligently what I mean. I just don't have that expertise, but I think Dark Lord's presumption stirs some thought. Too bad Mandrake's own software engineers don't frequent this place. I wonder sometimes if they have a clue at what we discuss here. If they do, they are lurking and not participatingunless one of you Brainiacs is really a Mandrake spy! The only thing I can add which is not much, is that I have trouble with supermount and scsi-emulation only, and my drives are not generic, but pioneer and Mitsumi and my mobo is MSI, hardly flighty unheard of companies. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
I have to agree, John. If you would, please see my other post, Re:[newbie] Supermount Troubleshooting Tips Info. It would be great for you to list your specifics for everyone to compare with. It's my hope that Mandrake will look to these posts as valuable data, too. Thanks, T - Original Message - From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only thing I can add which is not much, is that I have trouble with supermount and scsi-emulation only, and my drives are not generic, but pioneer and Mitsumi and my mobo is MSI, hardly flighty unheard of companies. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Sunday 24 Nov 2002 3:57 pm, Franki wrote: I agree, thats why they are lite-on's I always buy them, and generally they are flawless... by burner and DVD player are liteon as well.. never put a foot wrong.. for the price, you can't do better. I recently spoke to the technical support at the supplier I use for hardware on the subject of CD-RW and CD/DVD drives. He said that although they were happy with lite-on drives on their own, they had found some very strange behaviour when teaming a lite-on with various other makes, particularly but not only Afreey. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 12:04, RichardA wrote: Bloody hell. You think you have a vague idea how *nix works, and then you realise there are whole areas you've never considered. When I started I did a cat /bin and /usr/bin thinking I had all the possible commands. Yeah right... Is there actually a list of them all? I tend to think that once you BELIEVE you know enough of the built-in system commands, there are at least 70 more that you find the next day and have to start learning all over again... -- Mon Nov 25 10:25:00 EST 2002 .o0 linux user:267497 0o. |____ | kühn media australia | / \ /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kühn | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | ;/ / | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU Coralament*Best Grötens*Liebe Grüße*Best Regards*Elkorajn Salutojn Today's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. -- Hunter S. Thompson Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Friday November 22 2002 10:52 am, Franki wrote: I have no user in my fstab at all.. and I had to copy my CD's to the local hard drive to install stuff.. otherwise rpmdrake just asks for the same CD over and over, even when it has the right one.. If I used them more, i'd take out supermount altogether and mount manually.. but I keep hoping mandrake will fix it.. as a result of this, I think mdk7.2 is still their best ever release.. anyone else agree with me?? No. You may want to consider it's a hardware problem. Either the CD drive or the media (burned or pressed). For instance, I have a lot of movies on CDr's. Dozens of movies on each CDr. If I load a play list from a CDrom, whether usin Mplayer or Xine, most of the time the player will hang on a movie before making it's way thru the whole CD. If I do the same thing, but load the movies usin my burner as a reader, there's never a problem. Much the same with music CDr's or CD's usin Xmms. Rpmdrake often fails to install rpms from my Cdrom drive, but if I remove Cdrom as the sources, and load Cdrom2 (cd-rw) as the sources, it never fails. Bottom line is my Cdrom drive probly has some spindle wobble or laser misalignment, or both. Also, burners use a 'better' laser (narrower, brighter). When ever I've had problems with my ancient floppy drive, it always turns out to be the media. All my floppy's are ancient too ;) Supermount (and Mandrake) IMO, are falling victim to complaints based on the assumption it's the OS's fault, when surely, user, then hardware, and lastly OS should be explored. As the subject says First suspect - me then hardware. Eliminate those culprits before complaining about Mandrake and supermount. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] First suspect - me
normally I'd agree with you, except that the drive in question is a nearly new 48X... and I also have a brand new 50x that has the same problem.. but like I said, I upgraded to 2.4.20-0.2mdk kernel yesterday, and it all seems good now.. That would seem to indicate software wouldn't it?? especially since I never changed the fstab lines created during mandrake install... when you rule out the obvious, whatever is left, no matter how unlikely is the problem... rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tom Brinkman Sent: Saturday, 23 November 2002 9:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] First suspect - me On Friday November 22 2002 10:52 am, Franki wrote: I have no user in my fstab at all.. and I had to copy my CD's to the local hard drive to install stuff.. otherwise rpmdrake just asks for the same CD over and over, even when it has the right one.. If I used them more, i'd take out supermount altogether and mount manually.. but I keep hoping mandrake will fix it.. as a result of this, I think mdk7.2 is still their best ever release.. anyone else agree with me?? No. You may want to consider it's a hardware problem. Either the CD drive or the media (burned or pressed). For instance, I have a lot of movies on CDr's. Dozens of movies on each CDr. If I load a play list from a CDrom, whether usin Mplayer or Xine, most of the time the player will hang on a movie before making it's way thru the whole CD. If I do the same thing, but load the movies usin my burner as a reader, there's never a problem. Much the same with music CDr's or CD's usin Xmms. Rpmdrake often fails to install rpms from my Cdrom drive, but if I remove Cdrom as the sources, and load Cdrom2 (cd-rw) as the sources, it never fails. Bottom line is my Cdrom drive probly has some spindle wobble or laser misalignment, or both. Also, burners use a 'better' laser (narrower, brighter). When ever I've had problems with my ancient floppy drive, it always turns out to be the media. All my floppy's are ancient too ;) Supermount (and Mandrake) IMO, are falling victim to complaints based on the assumption it's the OS's fault, when surely, user, then hardware, and lastly OS should be explored. As the subject says First suspect - me then hardware. Eliminate those culprits before complaining about Mandrake and supermount. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
Supermount (and Mandrake) IMO, are falling victim to complaints based on the assumption it's the OS's fault, when surely, user, then IMHO this is unneccessary generalisation. My CDs work fine when mounted manually. They work terribly when using supermount. It was possible to copy one or two files, but when I let the system idle for ten minutes, I could no longer copy anything from the CD, and I could not even list the CD directory. Some previous poster described exactly the same symptoms. Indeed, the same CD drive and the same CDs in the same computer with the same Mandrake work absolutely without any problems with supermount disabled. That is a fact. Once I enable supermount, these problems are back. -- Milos Prudek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Saturday 23 November 2002 08:58 am, Milos Prudek wrote: Supermount (and Mandrake) IMO, are falling victim to complaints based on the assumption it's the OS's fault, when surely, user, then IMHO this is unneccessary generalisation. My CDs work fine when mounted manually. They work terribly when using supermount. It was possible to copy one or two files, but when I let the system idle for ten minutes, I could no longer copy anything from the CD, and I could not even list the CD directory. Some previous poster described exactly the same symptoms. Indeed, the same CD drive and the same CDs in the same computer with the same Mandrake work absolutely without any problems with supermount disabled. That is a fact. Once I enable supermount, these problems are back. Interesting thread, my question is, why do the majority seem to have no problem at all with this and others battle it constantly. Supermount gives me no problems at all on two machines in my home office. Normal install without having to use any alternate install methods etc. This is a puzzle to me. Of course I have heard and seen the same kinds of problems on the other OS so as a generalization I would have to agree with Tom B. I have been messing with the wiring on my network , trying to get it wired as per most of the manuals I and howto's that I have read and no matter what I always end up going back to the scheme that works but is not right. So as always do what it takes to make things work and remember YMMV. Cheers, -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Saturday November 23 2002 08:21 am, Franki wrote: normally I'd agree with you, except that the drive in question is a nearly new 48X... and I also have a brand new 50x that has the same problem.. but like I said, I upgraded to 2.4.20-0.2mdk kernel yesterday, and it all seems good now.. That would seem to indicate software wouldn't it?? especially since I never changed the fstab lines created during mandrake install... when you rule out the obvious, whatever is left, no matter how unlikely is the problem... No, even brand new CDrom drives have problems. I'll restate the bit about CD-RW's having 'better' lasers (and spindles). As to 48x and 50x, I've found the the faster drives tend to have more problems. Civileme stated much the same in a post some months ago, stating that anything over 12x actually caused a degredation in reading [my paraprhase]. For his exact words you'll need to search the newbie archive. Sorry, I can't begin to remember the subject of that thread. I wouldn't go as far as 12x, but if I were lookin for a new drive I'd try'n find a 24x from a quality vendor (eg, Plextor). 2.4.20-0.3mdk was on the mirrors this morning. I'm compiling it for athlon as I type. There has been nothing about supermount fixes in any of the 2.4.20 kernel change logs. Mostly increased ACPI fixes, which seem to make the laptop people happy, but have brought some complaints from others. Most often about nVidia. You might wanna add acpi=off to your lilo append line if you experience any issues. Also, IME, until new kernels get at least over patch level 10 or 12, expect some issues. It would probly also be a good idea to search the recent cooker archive http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=mandrake-cookerr=1w=2before usin the latest and greatest cooker kernels. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
I think the debate over using supermount or not has no proper right or wrong
answer, right now. To me, this is one of those Chevy vs. Ford arguments
('scuse the American reference..I can't think of an international one at the
moment. :-) For every one of us that says it works wonderfully, there's
someone else who found just the opposite to be true. Regardless of how
knowledgeable you are about Linux, or inexperienced (like me!), it's hard
not to admit that any feature that works for some and not for others is
still not working to the level and expectation that is implies, and
therefore needs improving. That doesn't mean that it has no value or use for
some.
No doubt, Mandrake will find a way to make it work some day. It needed to be
done yesterday, but since it hasn't, mulling over its value is just a an
exercise in futility unless someone can come up with a way to make it work
for everyone. The only useful answer at this moment seems to be use it if
it works you, if you like it or if you must have it. Don't use it if it
doesn't work for you, you don't like it or you don't need it.
A 'win-win' scenario to me...for the time being.
T
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Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Saturday 23 Nov 2002 3:27 pm, Technoslick wrote: No doubt, Mandrake will find a way to make it work some day. It needed to be done yesterday, but since it hasn't, mulling over its value is just a an exercise in futility unless someone can come up with a way to make it work for everyone. The only useful answer at this moment seems to be use it if it works you, if you like it or if you must have it. Don't use it if it doesn't work for you, you don't like it or you don't need it. A 'win-win' scenario to me...for the time being. Problem is, it's like intermittant faults on a washing machine - darned thing may be just a minor problem, but finding it isn't. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
Yes, lsof and fuser Richard --- Milos Prudek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember, we're dealing with Unix here, essentially, and Unix increments a reference count on a file or directory whenever it is accessed. Whenever Is there a utility that would display processes which keep a drive locked? -- Milos Prudek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Friday 22 November 2002 10:58 pm, you wrote: Ron, Did'nt you encounter problems with supermount and installation of games under Transgaming WineX? And do these problems happen with your son's machine? --LX Hi Lyvim! Sure did. I had to disable supermount under 8.2 just to get my games installed. (can't remember exactly which games it was, but it was more than one). On my sons' computer though - it worked like a charm. Whats the difference? I don't know...excepting maybe BIOS - motherboard - chipset versions? (or maybe its because I use SCSI for all my CDs and his is a bog standard ATAPI IDE CD-ROM) Dunno... -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:16 am, you wrote: No, even brand new CDrom drives have problems. I'll restate the bit about CD-RW's having 'better' lasers (and spindles). As to 48x and 50x, I've found the the faster drives tend to have more problems. Civileme stated much the same in a post some months ago, stating that anything over 12x actually caused a degredation in reading [my paraprhase]. For his exact words you'll need to search the newbie archive. Sorry, I can't begin to remember the subject of that thread. I wouldn't go as far as 12x, but if I were lookin for a new drive I'd try'n find a 24x from a quality vendor (eg, Plextor). I'm with Tom here - I used, I say *used* to buy those generic brand X CD-ROMs from Tiger Direct all the time - until about half of them died. Now, I buy brand name only - currently I have a Toshiba DVD and a Plextor CDRW. Its the way to go folks. :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Saturday 23 Nov 2002 11:04 pm, Technoslick wrote: I believe the same. Therefore, after having said what I did in my earlier post, I still would like to see us all look for fixes. There's so much talent coming here that I find it hard to believe we can't systematically find some direction in helping Mandrake resolve the idiosyncrasies, if not come up with the fix ourselves. Your comparison was perfect, to my mind. It's an intermittent problem that comes and goes, leaving some not believing the problem exists and others wanting to kick if for the trouble it has brought to them. I've been thinking about this. Is there any mileage in trying to make a mini database, to attempt to find patterns? For instance, I would think that the things most likely to affect it are bios version, motherboard, cd, dvd, cd-rw and floppy - you may be able to add others. Since most of us will know little about the floppy drives, we would have to discount this and concentrate on the others. If we, for instance set up a thread with column headings for each of these, could those who have problems add their details - make, drive speed etc? If any similarities emerge it would perhaps give Mandrake something to go on? Just a suggestion - if it's impracticable we could think again. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
Anne Wilson wrote: As I said recently, when things don't work properly I always wonder if I didn't set it up properly - and it often proves to be the case. Like many people I was having problems with supermount. Through MCC I checked out all the settings, then re-read Mandrake's warnings about supermount and user settings. In essence, supermount can't work properly if 'user' is in the fstab line. I removed it, and (fingers crossed) everything seems to be working well now. I wonder if others have found the same? Anne Out of interest does your altered supermount work in all respects with scsi-emulated devices ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Friday 22 Nov 2002 11:57 am, you wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: As I said recently, when things don't work properly I always wonder if I didn't set it up properly - and it often proves to be the case. Like many people I was having problems with supermount. Through MCC I checked out all the settings, then re-read Mandrake's warnings about supermount and user settings. In essence, supermount can't work properly if 'user' is in the fstab line. I removed it, and (fingers crossed) everything seems to be working well now. I wonder if others have found the same? Anne Out of interest does your altered supermount work in all respects with scsi-emulated devices ? John John, I only found it a couple of days ago. So far, my observations are: It is best to use the desktop icon labelled Removable Media to mount the drives. Closing the window allows the eject to work. It is not impossible to upset it, but the couple of times I managed it I know it was my mistake that caused it. On those occasions the eject button on the drive didn't work, so I re-opened the window and used the drive eject option. You have to be smart, though, as it opens the drawer and shuts it very quickly! A quick snatch of the disk closed it empty, and all functioned normally after. It's too early to say there are no problems, but everything seems OK. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Anne, In trying to show my wife how to use my MDK 9.0 to do her homework for school, last night, I realized how beneficial supermount can be for someone who has no interest in the workings, just wants to get work done. ;-) It worked fine for her, as long as she followed its 'rules of engagement'. I found that as long as I removed the focus on the CD-ROM drive, I could remove the CD...most of the time. However, I now try to eject it first, whenever the program focusing on it will give me that option (like Konqueror, for instance.) Whichever way I pick, it usually works. It isn't perfect, but as long as I work within its limitations, I really have very little problems with it. Using 'Refresh' in whatever program am in always makes sure that a switched media is properly read. Overall, I still would prefer to work with it enabled then to have to deal with thinking about mounting and unmounting. Floppy, Zip or CDs, I still find it works fine for me as long as I either eject from the program or close the program or its focus on the drive. Heck, M$ Windows isn't that much better, especially in Win 98. ;-) From what I can see in all that has been said here, this is an option that pleases everyone in that you can either use it, or disable itand you are right whatever choice you make! Mandrake may perfect this someday. For now, it works OK for me. T - Original Message - From: Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] First suspect - me On Friday 22 Nov 2002 11:57 am, you wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: As I said recently, when things don't work properly I always wonder if I didn't set it up properly - and it often proves to be the case. Like many people I was having problems with supermount. Through MCC I checked out all the settings, then re-read Mandrake's warnings about supermount and user settings. In essence, supermount can't work properly if 'user' is in the fstab line. I removed it, and (fingers crossed) everything seems to be working well now. I wonder if others have found the same? Anne Out of interest does your altered supermount work in all respects with scsi-emulated devices ? John John, I only found it a couple of days ago. So far, my observations are: It is best to use the desktop icon labelled Removable Media to mount the drives. Closing the window allows the eject to work. It is not impossible to upset it, but the couple of times I managed it I know it was my mistake that caused it. On those occasions the eject button on the drive didn't work, so I re-opened the window and used the drive eject option. You have to be smart, though, as it opens the drawer and shuts it very quickly! A quick snatch of the disk closed it empty, and all functioned normally after. It's too early to say there are no problems, but everything seems OK. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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John, I use Supermount and have two scsi-emulated drives. Never had a single problem, and I don't baby it in any way, shape, or form. Miark On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 11:57:35 + John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Out of interest does your altered supermount work in all respects with scsi-emulated devices ? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Title: RE: [newbie] First suspect - me -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anne Wilson Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 12:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] First suspect - me On Saturday 23 Nov 2002 6:18 pm, mike wrote: Franki wrote: as a result of this, I think mdk7.2 is still their best ever release.. anyone else agree with me?? rgds Frank I agree wholeheartedly ! I have stuck with 8.0 only for the newer kde, however I really liked 7.2 as well. 8.2 was ok, but I can't get a number of things working in 9.0 to save my life. and the supermount issue is a big one for me, though I have used linux ever since RH 5.2. I only use Mandrake now and will stick with it, but I'd also like to see many of the features of older versions remain, instead of being forced to upgrade hardware, etc. just my 2 cents It's funny, after all the problems I had read I expected huge problems with my 9.0 installation, particularly with supermount and USB printer, scanner, LS120 drive. I have had none of those problems. I went to a good deal of trouble to ensure that I could have 8.2 working in case 9.0 was no good for me. Now I think I wasted my time. In fact I can't believe how many things gave me grief in 8.2 that are just fine in 9.0 - except that AisleRiot frequently bombs out on me at lunchtime, and KAddressBook is knackered, which you can't blame Mandrake for. Ah well - nothing's perfect. But this one nearly is. Anne I agree with Anne, I tweak and prod and fiddle with things and the 9.0 just keeps chuggin. I used to break 8.2 on a monthly basis with all my fooling around. I have no problems with supermount and have been able to use my flash card reader as a hardtype drive. Now I am looking at changing the webserver over to 9.0 also. And so the YMMV seems to be a truism in all areas of computing. Dennis M.
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Its wrong for mandrake to expect poeple to just wait for the next version to fix such a huge bug.. particularly when supermount was one of the touted benefits of mandrake over tbe others.. I agree 100% I'm using autofs because supermount does not work reliably. I'm a former RedHat user. I used RedHat 5.2, 6.2 and 7.1 as desktop systems. This is my first Mandrake. Mandrake is good, but supermount needs fixing ASAP. -- Milos Prudek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Milos, Thanks for bringing this up. I have been wanting to ask someone about the differences between autofs and supermount, whether they rely on each other or compete. I am sure that I have loaded both at the same time in the past, and maybe have gotten quirky result because of this. Can you explain to me the true differences in the way they operate, if any, and if the end result looks any different between them? (when supermount is working, of course) TIA T - Original Message - From: Milos Prudek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] First suspect - me Its wrong for mandrake to expect poeple to just wait for the next version to fix such a huge bug.. particularly when supermount was one of the touted benefits of mandrake over tbe others.. I agree 100% I'm using autofs because supermount does not work reliably. I'm a former RedHat user. I used RedHat 5.2, 6.2 and 7.1 as desktop systems. This is my first Mandrake. Mandrake is good, but supermount needs fixing ASAP. -- Milos Prudek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hold it! Rephrase in order! What I meant is compare autofs to supermount, without the obvious fact that supermount doesn't always work out of the picture. Phew! Thank goodness I am not an ambassador for the middle east. Ouch! T - Original Message - From: Milos Prudek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] First suspect - me Its wrong for mandrake to expect poeple to just wait for the next version to fix such a huge bug.. particularly when supermount was one of the touted benefits of mandrake over tbe others.. I agree 100% I'm using autofs because supermount does not work reliably. I'm a former RedHat user. I used RedHat 5.2, 6.2 and 7.1 as desktop systems. This is my first Mandrake. Mandrake is good, but supermount needs fixing ASAP. -- Milos Prudek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
Technoslick wrote: Hold it! Rephrase in order! What I meant is compare autofs to supermount, without the obvious fact that supermount doesn't always work out of the picture. autofs is somewhat more diffcult to set up. You create a directory other than /mnt, for instance I use /media. You leave it empty. Then you enter floppy and burner and cdrom lines in your autofs config files. Then you start the autofs daemon. When you try to access the actually nonexistent /media/cdrom, autofs creates the /media/cdrom folder for you, and mounts the cdrom drive there. When you back out of the /media/cdrom and certain timeout expires, autofs unmounts cdrom, and /media/cdrom directory disappears. More details can be found in autofs man pages. -- Milos Prudek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] First suspect - me
On Saturday 23 November 2002 10:18 am, you wrote: Franki wrote: as a result of this, I think mdk7.2 is still their best ever release.. anyone else agree with me?? rgds Frank 7.2 was good--but I like 8.0 and 8.2 also. More than 7.2, I guess, because I still run both but retired 7.2. I never got 8.1 working right on my developmental box, so I never really used it, but my experience was that supermount was broken and not worth messing with. I'm not moving to 9.0 because, at this time, everything I have works, and I don't have any need to do so, and I really do like the convenience of supermount (without it, I doubt that my wife would have ditched Windows so easily). I have installed 8.0 and 8.2 systems on friends computers and now they only use Windows for games--both distros must be pretty good because they've worked on every machine I've ever loaded them onto with a minimum of config file editing. And, 8.0 and 8.2 have plenty of eye candy, too. Of the two, although hard to quantify, I think I give a slight edge to 8.2 for device support (8.2 has installed faster and has been better at identifying hardware than W2K on several machines where I've done dual-boot configurations). I've done maybe 30 systems with 8.0 and 8.2, so I feel I'm entitled to an opinion on this. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
