Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. clipped to reduce $$$ No it is not that simple. I frequently used to work overseas. I collected my e-mail using a laptop/cellphone, often at 2400bps due to poor international connectivity, at International roaming rates ($1.60/minute). At that rate, a 10k (with headers) post would take over 40 seconds to download, costing me personally over a buck. Multiply that up by the number of off-topic posts in this forum recently, and it adds up to a lot of money! Maybe I should start invoicing the posters...
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Original Message: From: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Date: 09/29/00 16:10:55 So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. All this so that people are 'free' to post 200 off-topic messages a day to the list? So the responsibility falls on the recipient to control what he gets in his Inbox. What about the responsibility of posters to stay within the published mandate of the list? I've spent more time deleting than reading over the last few days. Lance
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I have no trouble groking my email and I'm sure I probably receive at least as much as you do along with all the work I actually have to do. Besides as I said about 30 messages ago the thread would have died long ago if people stopped telling others to kill it. If nobody responds then the thread dies of disinterest. If enough people are interested in a thread to keep it alive then it is worth having. If it annoys you then simply ignore it. I do pity anyone who has to pay for email though. That is just cruel punishment. I can't imagine being on any mailing lists if I had to pay for the messages. :) *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Original Message: From: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Date: 09/29/00 16:10:55 So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. All this so that people are 'free' to post 200 off-topic messages a day to the list? So the responsibility falls on the recipient to control what he gets in his Inbox. What about the responsibility of posters to stay within the published mandate of the list? I've spent more time deleting than reading over the last few days. Lance
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BANG!! It died. On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Austin L. Denyer wrote: I frequently used to work overseas. I collected my e-mail using a laptop/cellphone, often at 2400bps due to poor international connectivity, at International roaming rates ($1.60/minute). At that rate, a 10k (with headers) post would take over 40 seconds to download, costing me personally over a buck. OK, now under the Rules of the Internet, THIS THREAD MUST DIE! Regards, Ozz.
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I have to agree with Lance. I was told off by someone the other day because I told them not post crap to the list and like Lance I spend more time deleting junk than reading good informational posts. Please for the love of God, don't post junk here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 12:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Re: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush ] Original Message: From: michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Date: 09/29/00 16:10:55 So run your email through a filter before downloading it? Combine that with serious bitching at your phone company for being overpriced. All this so that people are 'free' to post 200 off-topic messages a day to the list? So the responsibility falls on the recipient to control what he gets in his Inbox. What about the responsibility of posters to stay within the published mandate of the list? I've spent more time deleting than reading over the last few days. Lance
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entertaining, isn't it? -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2cents Why must people inform others when they do something like this? *shrug* Even the people who dont want to read the off topic stuff (who ARE apparently reading it) feel the need to throw in their 2 cents /2cents =o) Lonny Just updated my rules to send these messages where they belong - in the trash
Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
In a message dated 29-Sep-00 08:31:50 Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No it is not that simple. I frequently used to work overseas. I collected my e-mail using a laptop/cellphone, often at 2400bps due to poor international connectivity, at International roaming rates ($1.60/minute). At that rate, a 10k (with headers) post would take over 40 seconds to download, costing me personally over a buck. hmm i guess i cheat all i recieve is the subject heading and who its from i connect lower then 26kbps and it just takes a split second to delete it, however i do have to pay the millitary phone service to use the phone for a local call at $.56/a day and each call is $.04 the first minute $.01 each aditional minute so to be online every day which i usually do to keep in touch with family and friends, i spend over $200 a month for internet access plus the isp's fees, add in my other bills and i barely get by on what the navy pays me, at the same time i have to worry about supporting my family!
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Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. Amen and pass the ammo. -- #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-# | Ken Wahl, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 3CF9AB36 | | PGP Public Key: http://www.ipass.net/~kenwahl/pgpkey.txt | #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Powered by Linux Mandrake --=-=-=-=-=-=-# Linux up 3 days, 45 min, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 -- I am NRA...hear me ROAR!! Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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Okay I have been watching this thread and I just can't resist :-) Let's all join forces (and I do believe that there is a sufficient number of us) and everyone vote (write-in ballot) for the Gov of Minnesota -- Jesse "The Body" Ventura giggle Trust me, no one thought he was going to win the governorship 2 years ago but he did just like the masses do not believe that Linux will be a "viable" O/S against Winblows and I guess all I can say is Only Time Will Tell. :-) I seem to recall that, when asked what he would like to be re-incarnated as, he replied "A 44-inch double-D bra!" 'Nuff said... Regards, Ozz. "I ain't got time to bleed..."
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Ok, I see that every right wing, gun toting, special interest puppet that is on this list is attempting to suck me into a political debate. I refuse to get into such a battle on this list as this forum is not an appropriate area for discussion of such things, however if you feel the need to push your agenda down my throat and explain to me why someone with a history of hard drug abuse who would not be anywhere at all without his rich oil-baron (who nearly bankrupted the country, while himself attaining great wealth) father's political connections, and who could not even manage to run a baseball team, or do anything more in Texas than execute people, and who has openly stated he wants to use federal money to pay parents to send their children to private school, yet maintains that he will not allocate more federal money for schools because "education is the responsibility of the state, it's not a federal problem, so we shouldn't spend federal money there, it's wasteful" would be a good choice for president, please do so. You can flame me at the following e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 3:02 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. Amen and pass the ammo. -- #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-# | Ken Wahl, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 3CF9AB36 | | PGP Public Key: http://www.ipass.net/~kenwahl/pgpkey.txt | #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Powered by Linux Mandrake --=-=-=-=-=-=-# Linux up 3 days, 45 min, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 -- I am NRA...hear me ROAR!! Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: Ok, I see that every right wing, gun toting, special interest puppet that is on this list is attempting to suck me into a political debate. I refuse to get into such a battle on this list as this forum is not an appropriate area for discussion of such things, however if you feel the need to push your agenda down my throat and explain to me why someone with a history of hard drug abuse who would not be anywhere at all without his rich oil-baron (who nearly bankrupted the country, while himself attaining great wealth) father's political connections, and who could not even manage to run a baseball team, or do anything more in Texas than execute people, and who has openly stated he wants to use federal money to pay parents to send their children to private school, yet maintains that he will not allocate more federal money for schools because "education is the responsibility of the state, it's not a federal problem, so we shouldn't spend federal money there, it's wasteful" would be a good choice for president, please do so. You can flame me at the following e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 3:02 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. Amen and pass the ammo. -- #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-# | Ken Wahl, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 3CF9AB36 | | PGP Public Key: http://www.ipass.net/~kenwahl/pgpkey.txt | #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Powered by Linux Mandrake --=-=-=-=-=-=-# Linux up 3 days, 45 min, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 -- I am NRA...hear me ROAR!! Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com -- Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
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I must say I have never heard a line of shit like yours! Did you know your hero claims to have been in combat? Did you know he never was? Did you know that gun owners are not all puppets? But sir you sure do sound like one. Typical short term fix. Dont fix the problems you start. No way! Blame the tools. Your right! You sure are. Then tell me one thing, Why do kids kill each other? We had guns thrity years ago, Hell my school had a rifle range 45 of us shot nearly every day. But I know I am just a puppet right? But what is the answer? I know you wont be able to tell me Hell you are just a sock puppet yourself! Now you have a nice day and please write when you chose too. Just remember I dont talk to socks :) PS. Not one death was caused by a single student! On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: Ok, I see that every right wing, gun toting, special interest puppet that is on this list is attempting to suck me into a political debate. I refuse to get into such a battle on this list as this forum is not an appropriate area for discussion of such things, however if you feel the need to push your agenda down my throat and explain to me why someone with a history of hard drug abuse who would not be anywhere at all without his rich oil-baron (who nearly bankrupted the country, while himself attaining great wealth) father's political connections, and who could not even manage to run a baseball team, or do anything more in Texas than execute people, and who has openly stated he wants to use federal money to pay parents to send their children to private school, yet maintains that he will not allocate more federal money for schools because "education is the responsibility of the state, it's not a federal problem, so we shouldn't spend federal money there, it's wasteful" would be a good choice for president, please do so. You can flame me at the following e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 3:02 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. Amen and pass the ammo. -- #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-# | Ken Wahl, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key ID: 3CF9AB36 | | PGP Public Key: http://www.ipass.net/~kenwahl/pgpkey.txt | #-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Powered by Linux Mandrake --=-=-=-=-=-=-# Linux up 3 days, 45 min, 1 user, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.00 -- I am NRA...hear me ROAR!! Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com -- Main's Law: For every action there is an equal and opposite government program.
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"F. E. Schaper" wrote: Ok, I see that every right wing, gun toting, special interest puppet that is on this list is attempting to suck me into a political debate. I refuse to get into such a battle on this list as this forum is not an appropriate area for discussion of such things, however if you feel the need to push your agenda down my throat and explain to me why someone with a history of hard drug abuse who would not be anywhere at all without his rich oil-baron (who nearly bankrupted the country, while himself attaining great wealth) father's political connections, and who could not even manage to run a baseball team, or do anything more in Texas than execute people, and who has openly stated he wants to use federal money to pay parents to send their children to private school, yet maintains that he will not allocate more federal money for schools because "education is the responsibility of the state, it's not a federal problem, so we shouldn't spend federal money there, it's wasteful" would be a good choice for president, please do so. I don't even own a gun... But I sincerely believe its everyones right to do so, if they wish... and I'm not a puppet...I think for myself... -- /\ DarkLord \/
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Would it be too much to ask that this discussion be continued privately? It really has nothing at all to do with the content matter of this list and it think it is a little inconsiderate to the many of us out here who are not Americans and futhermore really couldn't give one hoot about U.S. politics and elections. Thank you. "Ronald J. Hall" wrote: "F. E. Schaper" wrote: Ok, I see that every right wing, gun toting, special interest puppet that is on this list is attempting to suck me into a political debate. I refuse to get into such a battle on this list as this forum is not an appropriate area for discussion of such things, however if you feel the need to push your agenda down my throat and explain to me why someone with a history of hard drug abuse who would not be anywhere at all without his rich oil-baron (who nearly bankrupted the country, while himself attaining great wealth) father's political connections, and who could not even manage to run a baseball team, or do anything more in Texas than execute people, and who has openly stated he wants to use federal money to pay parents to send their children to private school, yet maintains that he will not allocate more federal money for schools because "education is the responsibility of the state, it's not a federal problem, so we shouldn't spend federal money there, it's wasteful" would be a good choice for president, please do so. I don't even own a gun... But I sincerely believe its everyones right to do so, if they wish... and I'm not a puppet...I think for myself... -- /\ DarkLord \/
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I must say I have never heard a line of shit like yours! Did you know your hero claims to have been in combat? Did you know he never was? Did you know that gun owners are not all puppets? But sir you sure do sound like one. rm -rf * will fix this problem.
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Hugh, I take pleasure in responding to you publicly, despite the fact that I still don't think this list is the place for this conversation. I have no idea why kids kill each other, and I don't care that your school had a rifle range, your school was most likely segregated as well, that does not mean it was right, that means that is just the way it was. Personally I was shooting a .22 rifle when I was 13 years old at Boy Scout camp, does that mean I am going to go out and attack people with it. No. And I never implied that you would do the same. Things change, ideas change and society changes. You can't solve the problems of the present and future with ideas from the past, they don't work. They are simply outdated. I don't want to get rid of the second amendment at all, because the very thought that I may own a weapon keeps the idiots out of my house. However you should recognize that the amendment that grants the right to bear arms (the 2nd) included the provision only because the United States did not have a well armed militia ready for combat, and ready to defend the citizenry should the need arise to do so, therefore it was a requirement to bear arms in the 18th century. Do I want to take away your guns? No I do not. Do I want to take away guns from children, yes I do, do I think a mandatory 7 day federal waiting period should be required on firearms purchased? Yes I do. Do I think that people who allow access to firearms to minors should be subject to the same criminal punishment as the minor who committed the act? Yes I do. Do I think you need to have an automatic rifle to defend your home, or to hunt a wild animal? No I do not. Do I want to take "gun rights" away from people? No I do not. The bottom line is this, states control gun laws, not the federal government, in the state I live in (FL) it takes less time to buy a car than it does to purchase a weapon, granted both are equally as dangerous when not used with care. However the purpose of a car is simply transportation, that is not the case with a weapon. The federal government needs to handle gun registrations and gun laws, not the states. One of my problems with Bush arises from the fact that he has openly stated "that should be controlled by the states..not the federal government" on several occasions. This leads me to believe that he is going to take this stance on most cases where the states may be involved in a decision of law, and to me that means a weaker federal government. Of course the only ads or things I have heard him say are negative comments towards his opponent, and that also leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Republican party has spent so much effort and so much time attempting to make the Democratic party look bad (and granted the Democratic party has played right into it with thoughtless acts) that they have weakened themselves by not developing any strong leaders in the party. After this happened they turned to Bush, he has money and he has his fathers credentials (which based on his Presidency, and the state of the economy when he left office) are shaky at best, still, he is their best candidate and rather than have him (or allowing him the freedom to display some leadership initiatives) to discuss issues they have him attack Gore at every turn on a morality bent. Granted Gore has made it easy with his unbelievably inept claims, such as the fact that he "invented the internet". But at least he is sticking with issues (for the most part) as opposed to attacking Bush at every turn with a dirty campaign. How do we fix the problems in this country? I think getting away from the electoral college would be a good start, at least it would be an attempt to get the special interest groups from controlling every election and might make our votes count. I have plenty of other ideas but I think I have rambled long enough, if you would like to share your views, or you would like hear more about what I have to say, please e-mail me privately and I will discuss them with you. Do you still think of me as puppet? Fritz - Original Message - From: hugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush I must say I have never heard a line of like yours! Did you know your hero claims to have been in combat? Did you know he never was? Did you know that gun owners are not all puppets? But sir you sure do sound like one. Typical short term fix. Dont fix the problems you start. No way! Blame the tools. Your right! You sure are. Then tell me one thing, Why do kids kill each other? We had guns thrity years ago, Hell my school had a rifle range 45 of us shot nearly every day. But I know I am just a puppet right? But what is the answer? I know you wont be able to tell me Hell you are just a sock puppet yourself! Now you have a nice day and please write when you chose too. Just remember I dont
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You don't have to pick a random name, Michael. We do have a viable alternative to throwing our vote away on corporate Republicrat like Bush/Gore! His name's Ralph Nader. And the most important thing if you want him to win as letting him enter the debates. I've been trying to hold myself back from this topic, but it seems to be so related to the open-source/free-software (as in software freedom) movement that I gotta say this. Right now both parties are working together to keep Nader and Buchanan out of the debates. That's primarily because of what happened with Perot when he was in the elections. But also our friend from Minessota, Jesse Ventura, had about the same poll rating as Nader does now (about 8%) before the debates,a nd he won by a landslide afterwards. Right now a lot of people (including a lot of Bush and Gore supporters) are working to get Nader included in the debates because they see it as a basic freedom of speech, freedom to hear another voice issue. Plus, he'll force Bush/Gore to answer some questions they don't want to deal with. Whew. Had to get that out! :) Thanks for lettin' me let loose. If you wanna learn more about it some goods sites are: www.votenader.org and my favorite radio program http://www.democracynow.org/ Sorry for the rant, but it had to be said. Love all'yall. -Paul R Michael wrote: I'd rather pick a random name from the phone book rather than vote for either Bush or Gore. I'll probably end up picking a name from the EFF or something like that. It's better to choose someone I'd really want knowing my canidate has no chance of winning than to throw my vote in behind someone I wouldn't trust to run my Quake server and become just another zombie. Does anyone have any favorites for who we should vote for as the Geek platform? If you wanted to get serious you might pick something like Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond (I probably killed their names but oh well.. I misspell my own name too) but I can't imagine the two of them working together if they could avoid it. So this election day vote for the losser. :) *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote: "F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. -- /\ DarkLord \/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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I'm sure missing what this has to do with Mandrake or Linux - please follow your convictions offline, as you did say this list is not the place for this. I've only used filters to take out those annoying "on vacation" messages, but this just made it to the top of the heap. At 11:06 AM 9/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: Hugh, I take pleasure in responding to you publicly, despite the fact that I still don't think this list is the place for this conversation. I have no idea why kids kill each other, and I don't care that your school had a rifle range, your school was most likely segregated as well, that does not mean it was right, that means that is just the way it was. Personally I was shooting a .22 rifle when I was 13 years old at Boy Scout camp, does that mean I am going to go out and attack people with it. No. And I never implied that you would do the same. Things change, ideas change and society changes. You can't solve the problems of the present and future with ideas from the past, they don't work. They are simply outdated. I don't want to get rid of the second amendment at all, because the very thought that I may own a weapon keeps the idiots out of my house. However you should recognize that the amendment that grants the right to bear arms (the 2nd) included the provision only because the United States did not have a well armed militia ready for combat, and ready to defend the citizenry should the need arise to do so, therefore it was a requirement to bear arms in the 18th century. Do I want to take away your guns? No I do not. Do I want to take away guns from children, yes I do, do I think a mandatory 7 day federal waiting period should be required on firearms purchased? Yes I do. Do I think that people who allow access to firearms to minors should be subject to the same criminal punishment as the minor who committed the act? Yes I do. Do I think you need to have an automatic rifle to defend your home, or to hunt a wild animal? No I do not. Do I want to take "gun rights" away from people? No I do not. The bottom line is this, states control gun laws, not the federal government, in the state I live in (FL) it takes less time to buy a car than it does to purchase a weapon, granted both are equally as dangerous when not used with care. However the purpose of a car is simply transportation, that is not the case with a weapon. The federal government needs to handle gun registrations and gun laws, not the states. One of my problems with Bush arises from the fact that he has openly stated "that should be controlled by the states..not the federal government" on several occasions. This leads me to believe that he is going to take this stance on most cases where the states may be involved in a decision of law, and to me that means a weaker federal government. Of course the only ads or things I have heard him say are negative comments towards his opponent, and that also leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The Republican party has spent so much effort and so much time attempting to make the Democratic party look bad (and granted the Democratic party has played right into it with thoughtless acts) that they have weakened themselves by not developing any strong leaders in the party. After this happened they turned to Bush, he has money and he has his fathers credentials (which based on his Presidency, and the state of the economy when he left office) are shaky at best, still, he is their best candidate and rather than have him (or allowing him the freedom to display some leadership initiatives) to discuss issues they have him attack Gore at every turn on a morality bent. Granted Gore has made it easy with his unbelievably inept claims, such as the fact that he "invented the internet". But at least he is sticking with issues (for the most part) as opposed to attacking Bush at every turn with a dirty campaign. How do we fix the problems in this country? I think getting away from the electoral college would be a good start, at least it would be an attempt to get the special interest groups from controlling every election and might make our votes count. I have plenty of other ideas but I think I have rambled long enough, if you would like to share your views, or you would like hear more about what I have to say, please e-mail me privately and I will discuss them with you. Do you still think of me as puppet? Fritz - Original Message - From: hugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush I must say I have never heard a line of like yours! Did you know your hero claims to have been in combat? Did you know he never was? Did you know that gun owners are not all puppets? But sir you sure do sound like one. Typical short term fix. Dont fix the problems you start. No way! Blame the tools. Your right! You sure are. Then tell me one thing, Why do kids kill ea
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Actually, the lockout on debates is why I sent this message to Ralph Nader. snip = I am a registered Republican. I'm also a former business owner and work for a company that Ralph Nader generally targets as being 'anti-consumer' ... With that understanding, I made my decision for election day. It has been a very difficult decision. I've been one of the undecided ones. Come November, Ralph Nader has my vote. The lockout on the debates was the final straw. A very well respected President of the United States said that a two party political system would destroy our Republic and the democracy we hold so dear to our hearts. This lockout crushed open debate, a foundation and cornerstone of our Republic. This action crushed our First Amendment Rights. In fact, our liberties are being stripped - one by one - day by day - decision by decision. It's haunting that our legacy to our children will be our unwillingness to keep the United States free from Government tyranny. A tyranny subject to the whims of money, misguided do-gooders, and control freaks. We don't all have to agree on issues. We don't even have to like each other. The key is to discuss the issues and to make decisions based on the good of our society, our family, our selves, and our country. The "leaders" of the two "major" parties made a strategic error by locking you out of the debates. It would be an interesting poll to see how many of us on the edge of voting one way or another - just got knocked off the fence. Good luck. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul R Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 8:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush You don't have to pick a random name, Michael. We do have a viable alternative to throwing our vote away on corporate Republicrat like Bush/Gore! His name's Ralph Nader. And the most important thing if you want him to win as letting him enter the debates. I've been trying to hold myself back from this topic, but it seems to be so related to the open-source/free-software (as in software freedom) movement that I gotta say this. Right now both parties are working together to keep Nader and Buchanan out of the debates. That's primarily because of what happened with Perot when he was in the elections. But also our friend from Minessota, Jesse Ventura, had about the same poll rating as Nader does now (about 8%) before the debates,a nd he won by a landslide afterwards. Right now a lot of people (including a lot of Bush and Gore supporters) are working to get Nader included in the debates because they see it as a basic freedom of speech, freedom to hear another voice issue. Plus, he'll force Bush/Gore to answer some questions they don't want to deal with. Whew. Had to get that out! :) Thanks for lettin' me let loose. If you wanna learn more about it some goods sites are: www.votenader.org and my favorite radio program http://www.democracynow.org/ Sorry for the rant, but it had to be said. Love all'yall. -Paul R Michael wrote: I'd rather pick a random name from the phone book rather than vote for either Bush or Gore. I'll probably end up picking a name from the EFF or something like that. It's better to choose someone I'd really want knowing my canidate has no chance of winning than to throw my vote in behind someone I wouldn't trust to run my Quake server and become just another zombie. Does anyone have any favorites for who we should vote for as the Geek platform? If you wanted to get serious you might pick something like Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond (I probably killed their names but oh well.. I misspell my own name too) but I can't imagine the two of them working together if they could avoid it. So this election day vote for the losser. :) *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote: "F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. -- /\ DarkLord \/ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Please. Stop this thread. Or go to egroups and start a mailing list for this. I just pulled mail and deleted over 25 messages about this haggle over politics. I don't care about it. Would you like to have 25 messages per day about the traffic problems in our country? Paul, from the Netherlands. -- I will not be filed, stamped, briefed, debriefed or numbered... My life is my own. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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What do I care? If I was bored of OT messages I'd simply sort all OT messages into the trash or maybe even sort them out before downloading them if I was on a slow connection. I get over 1000 messages a day, what do I care about 25. ; *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Paul wrote: Please. Stop this thread. Or go to egroups and start a mailing list for this. I just pulled mail and deleted over 25 messages about this haggle over politics. I don't care about it. Would you like to have 25 messages per day about the traffic problems in our country? Paul, from the Netherlands. -- I will not be filed, stamped, briefed, debriefed or numbered... My life is my own. http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403 -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
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I don't care about it. Would you like to have 25 messages per day about the traffic problems in our country? It would be far more interesting than the drivel that had dumped into this conference in the past few days :-) Are they using hoping to use Linux to control traffic in your part of the world? Cheers --- Larry
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snip a whole load of sh!t about politics with zero relevance to the list You guys are fixing to become the latest additions to my draconian kill file. CUT IT OUT ALREADY!! Regards, Ozz.
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Please. Stop this thread. Or go to egroups and start a mailing list for this. I just pulled mail and deleted over 25 messages about this haggle over politics. I don't care about it. Would you like to have 25 messages per day about the traffic problems in our country? Paul, from the Netherlands. Well said, Sir! Regards, Ozz.
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how about DIE thread D-I-E -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Mike Tracy Holt wrote: "F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. -- /\ DarkLord How about a potential president who claims to have invented the internet??? An 'A' for originality? Mike
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Sounds like a REAL good idea. Just send this crap to the bit bucket never to be seen or heard from again. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just updated my rules to send these messages where they belong - in the trash
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I, for one, enjoy reading the political banter. If you don't like it, you can use the delete button when you see the heading you want to avoid. This is a No, Jay...the reason there are many conferences is that each is subject specific. Neither you or anyone else has the right to carry on extended discussions that have nothing to do with the stated topic. Tolerance is one thing; freedom of speech is great. But chaotic babbling is simply not productive and if you want to see a conference where you can't get any help, all we've got to do is allow all this non-Linux babbling to continue. Cheers --- Larry
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2cents Why must people inform others when they do something like this? *shrug* Even the people who dont want to read the off topic stuff (who ARE apparently reading it) feel the need to throw in their 2 cents /2cents =o) Lonny Just updated my rules to send these messages where they belong - in the trash
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if you dont like it delete it before you read it. ITS THAT SIMPLE!!!
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On 28 Sep 2000, at 13:40, Austin L. Denyer wrote: I don't care about it. Would you like to have 25 messages per day about the traffic problems in our country? I'll trade your politics AND your traffic for my Ex-wife. -- R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://taozen.hypermart.net ICQ: 599146
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On 28 Sep 2000, at 11:06, F. E. Schaper wrote: Do I think you need to have an automatic rifle to defend your home, or to hunt a wild animal? No I do not. 1700's "What do you need that musket fer, Jeb?" "A man's gotta eat and defend hisself, John" "Defend yerself? Wut fer? King George has militia here. They'll protect yer family!" 2000's "What do you need that pistol for, Mike?" "The gangs are getting bad in the area and I need some protection, Paul" "Protection? What are you talking about, Mike? The President launched a WAR against drugs and violence a decade ago! You don't need a gun! If billions of dollars spent on law enforcement and education cannot stop drugs and violence, how in the world is a gun control law, ink on paper, going to stop it? EOT. -- R. Edward McCain [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://taozen.hypermart.net ICQ: 599146
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Hey Y'all, Before I got into using Linux I used various versions of the MAC O/S and I always found it to be somewhat unstable, the one thing I did like about it was the fact that it was not nearly as dumbed down as Windows, it is easy to use, but you still need to have some kind of understanding as to what the machine is doing. Hopefully when OS/X gets all the way (it is available in server packages) out they will somehow port it to run on Intel based processor machines, and hopefully the stability problems will be corrected, without having to compromise the ease of use. If these things happen, and the work on developing a more consumer friendly Linux product continues, Microsoft could be in for quite a shock. Of course bad news for Bill is good news for the rest of us. I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Isnt OSX a MAC versions of Operating System. I thought it's not related to Linux. Of course there are some Linux distributions for the Mac. But what I've heard Apple is producing the next generation of O/S entitled OSX. -- It is Mac. But OS X is based on Unix. The buzz is that it is very stable and easy to use. If Mac makes the OS X Intel compatible, watch out! So, although it is not Linux, OS X is a perceived threat to Windoze. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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An intel port of OS-X is never going to happen. The whole Apple vision depends on a consistent box to go with the OS -- in this case, a box that only apple makes. -- jon From: "F. E. Schaper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:33:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Hey Y'all, Before I got into using Linux I used various versions of the MAC O/S and I always found it to be somewhat unstable, the one thing I did like about it was the fact that it was not nearly as dumbed down as Windows, it is easy to use, but you still need to have some kind of understanding as to what the machine is doing. Hopefully when OS/X gets all the way (it is available in server packages) out they will somehow port it to run on Intel based processor machines, and hopefully the stability problems will be corrected, without having to compromise the ease of use. If these things happen, and the work on developing a more consumer friendly Linux product continues, Microsoft could be in for quite a shock. Of course bad news for Bill is good news for the rest of us. I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Isnt OSX a MAC versions of Operating System. I thought it's not related to Linux. Of course there are some Linux distributions for the Mac. But what I've heard Apple is producing the next generation of O/S entitled OSX. -- It is Mac. But OS X is based on Unix. The buzz is that it is very stable and easy to use. If Mac makes the OS X Intel compatible, watch out! So, although it is not Linux, OS X is a perceived threat to Windoze. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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"F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. -- /\ DarkLord \/
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I think I will just stay in UK, we may Blair, and have no petrol (Got it at the monent, just waiting for november when they are going to start the blockades again) but its a nice country. "F. E. Schaper" wrote: Hey Y'all, Before I got into using Linux I used various versions of the MAC O/S and I always found it to be somewhat unstable, the one thing I did like about it was the fact that it was not nearly as dumbed down as Windows, it is easy to use, but you still need to have some kind of understanding as to what the machine is doing. Hopefully when OS/X gets all the way (it is available in server packages) out they will somehow port it to run on Intel based processor machines, and hopefully the stability problems will be corrected, without having to compromise the ease of use. If these things happen, and the work on developing a more consumer friendly Linux product continues, Microsoft could be in for quite a shock. Of course bad news for Bill is good news for the rest of us. I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Isnt OSX a MAC versions of Operating System. I thought it's not related to Linux. Of course there are some Linux distributions for the Mac. But what I've heard Apple is producing the next generation of O/S entitled OSX. -- It is Mac. But OS X is based on Unix. The buzz is that it is very stable and easy to use. If Mac makes the OS X Intel compatible, watch out! So, although it is not Linux, OS X is a perceived threat to Windoze. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: the only reason why Mac is different than Intel is the fact they run completely different processors. Mac is PPC Intel is Pentium. An intel port of OS-X is never going to happen. The whole Apple vision depends on a consistent box to go with the OS -- in this case, a box that only apple makes. -- jon From: "F. E. Schaper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:33:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Hey Y'all, Before I got into using Linux I used various versions of the MAC O/S and I always found it to be somewhat unstable, the one thing I did like about it was the fact that it was not nearly as dumbed down as Windows, it is easy to use, but you still need to have some kind of understanding as to what the machine is doing. Hopefully when OS/X gets all the way (it is available in server packages) out they will somehow port it to run on Intel based processor machines, and hopefully the stability problems will be corrected, without having to compromise the ease of use. If these things happen, and the work on developing a more consumer friendly Linux product continues, Microsoft could be in for quite a shock. Of course bad news for Bill is good news for the rest of us. I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Isnt OSX a MAC versions of Operating System. I thought it's not related to Linux. Of course there are some Linux distributions for the Mac. But what I've heard Apple is producing the next generation of O/S entitled OSX. -- It is Mac. But OS X is based on Unix. The buzz is that it is very stable and easy to use. If Mac makes the OS X Intel compatible, watch out! So, although it is not Linux, OS X is a perceived threat to Windoze. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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You're right (technically)... The main difference, though, is that there are a million different configurations of intel machines, and only a handful of apple boxes... Remember mac clones? They didn't last too long, exactly for that reason... even now, I can't get my stupid CD-R running on my Umax s900... while it works fine on my ancient mac 7200 -- jon On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Robin Regennitter wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: the only reason why Mac is different than Intel is the fact they run completely different processors. Mac is PPC Intel is Pentium. An intel port of OS-X is never going to happen. The whole Apple vision depends on a consistent box to go with the OS -- in this case, a box that only apple makes. -- jon From: "F. E. Schaper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:33:18 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Hey Y'all, Before I got into using Linux I used various versions of the MAC O/S and I always found it to be somewhat unstable, the one thing I did like about it was the fact that it was not nearly as dumbed down as Windows, it is easy to use, but you still need to have some kind of understanding as to what the machine is doing. Hopefully when OS/X gets all the way (it is available in server packages) out they will somehow port it to run on Intel based processor machines, and hopefully the stability problems will be corrected, without having to compromise the ease of use. If these things happen, and the work on developing a more consumer friendly Linux product continues, Microsoft could be in for quite a shock. Of course bad news for Bill is good news for the rest of us. I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Isnt OSX a MAC versions of Operating System. I thought it's not related to Linux. Of course there are some Linux distributions for the Mac. But what I've heard Apple is producing the next generation of O/S entitled OSX. -- It is Mac. But OS X is based on Unix. The buzz is that it is very stable and easy to use. If Mac makes the OS X Intel compatible, watch out! So, although it is not Linux, OS X is a perceived threat to Windoze. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com
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Okay I have been watching this thread and I just can't resist :-) Let's all join forces (and I do believe that there is a sufficient number of us) and everyone vote (write-in ballot) for the Gov of Minnesota -- Jesse "The Body" Ventura giggle Trust me, no one thought he was going to win the governorship 2 years ago but he did just like the masses do not believe that Linux will be a "viable" O/S against Winblows and I guess all I can say is Only Time Will Tell. :-) Patti - Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/27/00, 10:28:54 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush: I'd rather pick a random name from the phone book rather than vote for either Bush or Gore. I'll probably end up picking a name from the EFF or something like that. It's better to choose someone I'd really want knowing my canidate has no chance of winning than to throw my vote in behind someone I wouldn't trust to run my Quake server and become just another zombie. Does anyone have any favorites for who we should vote for as the Geek platform? If you wanted to get serious you might pick something like Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond (I probably killed their names but oh well.. I misspell my own name too) but I can't imagine the two of them working together if they could avoid it. So this election day vote for the losser. :) *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote: "F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. -- /\ DarkLord \/
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[replies below] Richard Garand [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 12190132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush "F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? executing 2 womenand how many men? 200? 2000? I may have to move to Canada next year. yeah
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I don't really understand how the US elections work, but if you're talking about the president, wouldn't Nader be the best of the current candidates? Richard Garand [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 12190132 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush I'd rather pick a random name from the phone book rather than vote for either Bush or Gore. I'll probably end up picking a name from the EFF or something like that. It's better to choose someone I'd really want knowing my canidate has no chance of winning than to throw my vote in behind someone I wouldn't trust to run my Quake server and become just another zombie. Does anyone have any favorites for who we should vote for as the Geek platform? If you wanted to get serious you might pick something like Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond (I probably killed their names but oh well.. I misspell my own name too) but I can't imagine the two of them working together if they could avoid it. So this election day vote for the losser. :)
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Dunno. I didn't even look before overwriting the included copy of Win ME (funny name eh?) on the new server with Mandrake. Windows blows cheese. All that'd happen is someone would rewrite lilo/grub a little to fix it and then it'd work again. The OS can't really tell the difference. *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, goldenpi wrote: Dont feel great just yet-I hear twindows millenium is going to write its boot code to the MBR so that it cannot be used in a duelboot. Douptless m$ has some exuse-probably say its to combat virus that write to the boot record even through there 10 yeard old. Oppinions of my new sig? I hope it comes through. On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Hey Y'all, Before I got into using Linux I used various versions of the MAC O/S and I always found it to be somewhat unstable, the one thing I did like about it was the fact that it was not nearly as dumbed down as Windows, it is easy to use, but you still need to have some kind of understanding as to what the machine is doing. Hopefully when OS/X gets all the way (it is available in server packages) out they will somehow port it to run on Intel based processor machines, and hopefully the stability problems will be corrected, without having to compromise the ease of use. If these things happen, and the work on developing a more consumer friendly Linux product continues, Microsoft could be in for quite a shock. Of course bad news for Bill is good news for the rest of us. I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Isnt OSX a MAC versions of Operating System. I thought it's not related to Linux. Of course there are some Linux distributions for the Mac. But what I've heard Apple is producing the next generation of O/S entitled OSX. -- It is Mac. But OS X is based on Unix. The buzz is that it is very stable and easy to use. If Mac makes the OS X Intel compatible, watch out! So, although it is not Linux, OS X is a perceived threat to Windoze. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com -- == Goldenpi- programer, unreal level creator, linux user and all round geek. If you are reading this, I sent this mail from linux.
Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
Where does he stand on IP ownership issues etc? *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Patti Wavinak wrote: Okay I have been watching this thread and I just can't resist :-) Let's all join forces (and I do believe that there is a sufficient number of us) and everyone vote (write-in ballot) for the Gov of Minnesota -- Jesse "The Body" Ventura giggle Trust me, no one thought he was going to win the governorship 2 years ago but he did just like the masses do not believe that Linux will be a "viable" O/S against Winblows and I guess all I can say is Only Time Will Tell. :-) Patti - Registered Linux User #184611 Original Message On 9/27/00, 10:28:54 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush: I'd rather pick a random name from the phone book rather than vote for either Bush or Gore. I'll probably end up picking a name from the EFF or something like that. It's better to choose someone I'd really want knowing my canidate has no chance of winning than to throw my vote in behind someone I wouldn't trust to run my Quake server and become just another zombie. Does anyone have any favorites for who we should vote for as the Geek platform? If you wanted to get serious you might pick something like Richard Stallman and Eric Raymond (I probably killed their names but oh well.. I misspell my own name too) but I can't imagine the two of them working together if they could avoid it. So this election day vote for the losser. :) *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Ronald J. Hall wrote: "F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. -- /\ DarkLord \/
RE: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
"F. E. Schaper" wrote: I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. I agree that this is better left somewhere else...but I can't help it...I'll never vote for a potential president whose agenda includes destroying the 2nd amendment in order to achieve the (dubious) honor of removing firearms from Americans! I say again...never. -- /\ DarkLord How about a potential president who claims to have invented the internet??? An 'A' for originality? Mike
RE: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush
I'm dual booting WinME and Mandrake right now. I haven't payed much attention to this thread. I just saw something about dual booting Mandrake and WinME. If you have 2 hard drives, it's easy. Put ME on one, and Mandrake on the other. Set the Linux drive to master, and you're set. If you have one hard drive, just install Mandrake AFTER windows. Tyler -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 5:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush Dunno. I didn't even look before overwriting the included copy of Win ME (funny name eh?) on the new server with Mandrake. Windows blows cheese. All that'd happen is someone would rewrite lilo/grub a little to fix it and then it'd work again. The OS can't really tell the difference. *^*^*^* Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sungod robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you? -- Real Genius On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, goldenpi wrote: Dont feel great just yet-I hear twindows millenium is going to write its boot code to the MBR so that it cannot be used in a duelboot. Douptless m$ has some exuse-probably say its to combat virus that write to the boot record even through there 10 yeard old. Oppinions of my new sig? I hope it comes through. On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Hey Y'all, Before I got into using Linux I used various versions of the MAC O/S and I always found it to be somewhat unstable, the one thing I did like about it was the fact that it was not nearly as dumbed down as Windows, it is easy to use, but you still need to have some kind of understanding as to what the machine is doing. Hopefully when OS/X gets all the way (it is available in server packages) out they will somehow port it to run on Intel based processor machines, and hopefully the stability problems will be corrected, without having to compromise the ease of use. If these things happen, and the work on developing a more consumer friendly Linux product continues, Microsoft could be in for quite a shock. Of course bad news for Bill is good news for the rest of us. I'll leave the Presidential debate open for others to discuss as I think that is too far off topic for this list, but I will ask you this: Do you want a President who, up until this point is most famous for approving the execution of 2 women, and for picking his nose on national television? I may have to move to Canada next year. Fritz - Original Message - From: Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Microsoft and George W. Bush On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, you wrote: Isnt OSX a MAC versions of Operating System. I thought it's not related to Linux. Of course there are some Linux distributions for the Mac. But what I've heard Apple is producing the next generation of O/S entitled OSX. -- It is Mac. But OS X is based on Unix. The buzz is that it is very stable and easy to use. If Mac makes the OS X Intel compatible, watch out! So, although it is not Linux, OS X is a perceived threat to Windoze. Jay "May the sound of happy music, And the lilt of Irish laughter, fill your heart with gladness, that stays forever after." "May the enemies of Ireland never meet a friend." http://www.mrsnooky.com -- == Goldenpi- programer, unreal level creator, linux user and all round geek. If you are reading this, I sent this mail from linux.
