Re: [Newbie]startx error.

2002-02-08 Thread Lionel Lecoq

Strange, it looks as if X was already running try the following:
Ctrl Alt F7 (thats the first console that X uses) it should show something
If not  you can try to start another console:
snip
To run another X session in the remain virtual consoles (Ctl-Alt-F1/F6), go to the 
virtual console
and login in there with usr name and passwd. Then, type
startx -- :z 
where z is a number between 1 and 5, and indicates the X virtual console, vg. the 
first session is
0, the second is 1, etc. The X consoles are in Ctl-Alt-F7/F12. 
/snip

--- Aramis Pena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello all.
 Im running Linux RH 7.1 with all the original
 software.
 In other words, i have not update anything for now.
 I would like to get X running.
 Everytime i type the cmd: startx
 I get this:
 
 Fatal server error:
 Server is already active for display 0
 If this server is no longer running, remove
 /tmp/.X0-lock and start again.
 
 When reporting a problem related to a sever crash,
 please send the full server output, not just the last
 msgs.
 
 Xlib: connection to :0.0 refused by server
 Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
 giving up.
 xinit: unable to connect to X server
 xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error.
 
 Please tell me what's going on.  Im a newbie at
 linux.
 
 
 =
 Aramis Pena 
 Computer Programmer
 
 
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 by Pena, Aramis
 
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Re: [Newbie]trident driver problem

2002-02-08 Thread Lionel Lecoq

I would not try depth 32, 24 is fine. I have also had problems with the test during 
configuration,
when I did not test everything went fine and X ran also fine after, you could try...
I also ran into problems once with Out of Frequency range the signal was ** 1 Herz 
** above the
limit!!! you can try to specify a slightly lower range for your V. Freq...
Lionel
--- Arun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have a problem with starting X windows system.
 
 my comp config is 
 
 P II 350 MHz
 96 MB SDRAM
 20 GB HDD (4GB to LINUX)
 Trident 4MB AGP Display card
 LG studioworks 563N 15'' Monitor
   monitor specs - H. Freq - 30-61 kHz
   V. Freq - 50-120 Hz
 
 my computer can do 1024x768@32bit color in Windows 98.
 
 I am not able to make these settings in linux 7.0
 
 I tried Xconfigurator but no combination works  out.
 
 The system correctly detects both the monitor and the AGP card but when i let it 
test setting,
 the system hangs.
 The monitor displays Out of Frequency range error.
 when i have specified the range of frequency why would the system produce out of 
frequency
 signal??
 if anyone can help out please mail me thanking you 
 arun
 


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[Newbie]X server cannot be started on display :0...

2002-02-08 Thread Laurence

I've installed XFree 4.1.0 on Solaris 8 and finally got the correct configuration. The 
only problem here is that at startup, the dtlogin prints X server cannot be started 
on display :0...
It seems I need a way to make dtlogin uses the /etc/X11/XF86Config I generated with 
XFree 4.1.0. I looked into manual and found little help. Can anyone help me??
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Re: [Newbie](no subject)

2002-02-08 Thread Declan Moriarty

Was it Ted Spradley who wrote on Thursday 07 February 2002 14:54:


 Anybody else out there:  Is there some good general information resource
 on configuring XFree86 for a flat panel as opposed to a vacuum tube
 display?

The computer is thick - it doesn't have a clue what's out there, monitor or 
flat panel. Just get the details (vert horizontal frequencies,  dot clock) 
OK and it's fine

-- 
Regards,


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Re: [Newbie]4.2.0 build problem

2002-02-08 Thread Declan Moriarty

Was it [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote on Thursday 07 February 2002 16:03:
 On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Declan Moriarty wrote:
  I'm trying to update from source - after a programmer informed me I had
  the most broken build of X he ever came across (~500!). He was right.
  Make World  world.log
  craps out after 5 seconds with this:
 
  cd ./config/makedepend  make -f Makefile.proto bootstrap
  make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/xc/config/makedepend'
  Makefile.proto:34: host.def: No such file or directory
  Makefile.proto:1201: *** missing `endef', unterminated `define'.  Stop.

 Declan, presumably you had edited the config.h?  If so then the
 likelihood is that you merely removed the # comment mark from the
 defines instead of moving the define entirely outside of the C comment
 delimiters /* comment text */ ?

I'll double check that. config.h? Mebbe I didn't get there :-o


  Quote from INSTALL-X.org - 3.6.2:
  3.6.2.  Other GNU tools

 What is INSTALL-X.org?  Did you actually mean that to be an URL or is it
 the INSTALL from the XF86-3.6.2 ?  If so may I suggested that you update
 your X to XF86-4.x ?

No. I d/l the source, and INSTALL-X.org untars into the ~/xc/ directory. It 
looked as close to an INSTALL doc as there was, so I started readingit. Did I 
do something stupid? (Reading the doc, I mean)


  Use of the GNU BinUtils assembler, as, and linker, ld, is not supported
  -- period! If you have them installed on your system you must rename or
  remove them for the duration of the R6.6 build.  (You can restore them
  afterwards.)
  Is that real??? What do I use in Linux???

 Hmm.  May have been true back in XF86-3.6.2.  I don't remmeber it, but I
 never compiled my own back then.

 Doesn't Mandrake provide RPMs that you could use to update your
 distribution?

Yeah they do - Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, learn nothing, and 
upgrade if that system didn't work because the next one will ;-). Mandrake 
use iso images - fine if you have a cable modem (I don't).

I've sat on lists and watched people cry from updating rpms and downloading 
binaries. They all finish up d/ling the source.

-- 
Regards,


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Re: [Newbie] in .xinitrc on OS X it´s like on all .xinitrc (I think)

2002-02-08 Thread Eric Dufour


On Thursday, February 7, 2002, at 10:42 , Rolf Arands wrote:

 Problem is, I didn't get this file upon installation, so I have no idea 
 what should go in there. Can someone post the contents of a typical 
 .xinitrc file that I could then add to my $HOME? It's probably 
 simple ... I just don't know what is actually in this file.

OK I just navigated on the file tree and found this file:
/usr/X11R6/etc/xinit/xinitrc, you can copy that one to your home adding 
a dot:
cp /usr/X11R6/etc/xinit/xinitrc $HOME/.xinitrc (maybe you need to add 
sudo) you can remove everything after
#start some nice program and add exec YOUR_WINDOW_MANAGER 

My .xinitrc is simpler ( a little bit more buggy also) it contains :

PATH =$PATH: /sw/bin /usr/bin /usr/X11R6/bin /bin /etc

exec gnome-session

I tried to add to the PATH these since I had some problems launching 
some commands (were not found but installed), however I guess this is 
unnecessary for you (for me also now). There is a useful command 
something like unset LANG  but I don´t remember exactly, it will remove 
some annoying error messages if you use startx to launch your session 
and don´t use the . You can also set whatever you want (open a clock, a 
calc,a term window at the start as in the xinitrc demo file). I´m using 
gnome since it can work with a lot a window-manager (I use it with 
Window-Maker) and it allows you to configure everything so easyly from 
gnomecc...

I think you should try with the simplest one:

exec YOUR_WINDOW_MANAGER 

good luck
Eric DUFOUR

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Re: [Newbie] Darwin-X?

2002-02-08 Thread Eric Dufour


On Friday, February 8, 2002, at 02:05 , Gregoire Faber wrote:

 OK, I tried everything you said:

 double-clicking Darwin-X does nothing. The icon bounces a bit, then it 
 acts as though it's on but then just quits after about 3 seconds.
 I tried typing startx-- -quartz, startx -quartz, startx quartz, startx- 
 --quartz.. the terminal says it's an unknown command.
The correct syntax is startx(one space)--(one space)-quartz
startx -- -quartz
You should try man startx, wether it works or not
try cd /
and then sudo find -iname startx.
This guy should be in /usr/X11R6/bin so it´s faster to just check there 
first ;-)
If it exists, check if you $PATH lead to there. Just type $PATH from 
your terminal. if /usr/X11R6/ is not in the list just add it in your 
.xinitrc as shown in my preceeding mail

 There is no .xinitrc file in my home directory. What do I do now? I'll 
 go check out fink. If anyone has any idea what to do, let me know.

Look at my preceeding mail


 cheers,
 greg

Hope it helped,
By the way, are you sure you´ve installed everything as root (I don´t 
remember well but i think it should be...)

good luck,
eric

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[Newbie]sony trinitron multiscan E400P HELP!!

2002-02-08 Thread Giga Group

dear guys, 
I need to know if this monitor is supported by linux debian 2.2.19
I'm tring but seems don't work.
Wich are the right parameters of this monitor type:
horizontal sync
vertical sync
refresh

thanks a lot 
Marco


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Re: [Newbie]sony trinitron multiscan E400P HELP!!

2002-02-08 Thread Jarmo Paavilainen

On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 11:57, Giga Group wrote:

Im very near to just ignore you, as it is not that hard to make a search
for this kind of information (try www.google.com).

It gave me following link:

http://www.comelsoft.com/images/monitors/sonye400.htm

Horizontal Frequency  30 to 96 kHz
Vertical Frequency  48 to 160Hz

// Jarmo

...
 I need to know if this monitor is supported by linux debian 2.2.19
 I'm tring but seems don't work.
 Wich are the right parameters of this monitor type:
 horizontal sync
 vertical sync
 refresh
...



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RE: [Newbie]X Install

2002-02-08 Thread Parrott, Tyler (Brunnet)

Thanks for the advice!

-Original Message-
From: Ted Spradley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: February 7, 2002 5:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Newbie]X Install


Parrott, Tyler (Brunnet) wrote:
 
 Hey All,
 
 I recently installed FreeBSD 4.5 on my machine (I'm not sure which
 version of X comes with it but I'm sure it's fairly recent)

I finally found it: 
http://www.freebsd.org/releases/4.5R/relnotes-i386.html#AEN677

FreeBSD 4.5-RELEASE includes the older 4.1.0 version of the XFree86
package.

 and I just can't
 get the server running.  I have a PIII700, Riva TNT2 card, I set the mode
at
 1024x768 with 24 bit color, the mouse works when I test it.  But when the
X
 graphical config tries to start the X server, it fails.  I don't get any
 error messages because it's just the setup script that's running it.

Isn't that annoying?  Sysinstall does a good job usually, but when it
doesn't, you're mostly helpless.

I've been running 4.1.0 with a Riva TNT2 M64 chipset for some months. 
Works fine, mostly, but when Netscrape 4.76 gets its knickers in a twist
and has to be killed the Xserver also takes a SIGSEGV and fills my root
filesystem with a core dump.

I installed it from the port or package (don't remember which) and it
configured itself and just worked.  Try XFree86 -configure (as root)
and see if that works.  Or xf86cfg, from a root shell on a text console,
rather than from sysinstall.

  I've
 tried editing the XF86Config file myself but all the settings look fine to
 me...as they are the same settings I had when I was running X with
Slackware
 8.0?  Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
 
 Thanks,
 Tyler Parrott
 
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Re: [Newbie](no subject)

2002-02-08 Thread Lionel Lecoq

Not quite with PP the PC and X recognize what they have. A reasonable thing to do 
since vertical
and horizontal frequencies don't mean a thing to a LCD screen...
cheers
Lionel
--- Declan Moriarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Was it Ted Spradley who wrote on Thursday 07 February 2002 14:54:
 
 
  Anybody else out there:  Is there some good general information resource
  on configuring XFree86 for a flat panel as opposed to a vacuum tube
  display?
 
 The computer is thick - it doesn't have a clue what's out there, monitor or 
 flat panel. Just get the details (vert horizontal frequencies,  dot clock) 
 OK and it's fine
 
 -- 
   Regards,
 
 
   Declan Moriarty
 
 
 
 
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[Newbie]configure of xdm question

2002-02-08 Thread Lonnie Cumberland

Hello All,

I am new to this list and really hope that someone can help me.

I am using xdm in a project because it suites our needs better than
gdm and kdm (those have the session selection stuff that we do not
want).

The problem that I am having with xdm is that I need it t oecho back
something to the user (maybe *) when they type in the password
field, but cannot seem to make that happen.

I am using Mandrake 8.0 Linux.

Cheers,
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[Newbie]Strange behavior of of the S3 Server in XFree 3.3.6

2002-02-08 Thread Jan Henrik Helmuth Lühr

greetings,

I'm use X3.3.6 and the S3 Server on a Debian 2.2r5, and the server behaves 
strange. When I started a X -query everything was normal. But when I tried
to 
start it via runlevel, I was'nt able to use the keyboard . I was'nt able to
login or 
switch to another console. I also was'nt able to switch the numlock on or
off.

I've used the same configuration with an Ati Mach64 server and erverything 
worked fine.

Who can explain this strange behavoir?

Keep smiling
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[Newbie]compiling xfree86 4.2 on os x / darwin?

2002-02-08 Thread amphetamine

make World with xfree86 4.2 doesn't succeed on my computer. i get the 
following:

-
Building Release 6.6 of the X Window System.

I hope you checked the configuration parameters in ./config/cf
to see if you need to pass BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS.

Fri Feb  8 15:07:50 CET 2002

cd ./config/imake  make  -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= CC=cc clean
rm -f ccimake imake.o imake
rm -f *.CKP *.ln *.BAK *.bak *.o core errs ,* *~ *.a tags TAGS make.log \#
*
rm -f -r Makefile.proto Makefile Makefile.dep bootstrap
make  Makefile.boot
cd ./config/imake  make  -f Makefile.ini BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= CC=cc
making imake with BOOTSTRAPCFLAGS= in config/imake
cc -o ccimake  -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 ccimake.
c
cc -c  -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 `./ccimake` 
imake.c
cc -o imake  -O -I../../include -I../../imports/x11/include/X11 imake.o
rm -f ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto
./config/imake/imake -I./config/cf  -s ./config/makedepend/Makefile.proto 
-f ./config/makedepend/Imakefile -DTOPDIR=../.. 
-DCURDIR=./config/makedepend
cd ./config/makedepend  rm -f -r Makefile Makefile.dep makedepend *.o 
bootstrap
cd ./config/makedepend  make -f Makefile.proto bootstrap
Makefile.proto:1: *** missing separator.  Stop.
make[1]: *** [depend.bootstrap] Error 2
make: *** [World] Error 2

-

no wonder, the Makefile.proto looks quite garbled. i did the same on a 
different machine with the same setup and got the Makefile.proto looking 
ok. but got a bus error instead.

can anyone help me with this? did anyone succeed in compiling xfree86 4.2 
on os x/darwin?

thx, s.

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Re: [Newbie]4.2.0 build problem

2002-02-08 Thread ofeeley

On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Declan Moriarty wrote:

 Was it [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote on Thursday 07 February 2002 16:03:
  On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Declan Moriarty wrote:
[snip]
   Quote from INSTALL-X.org - 3.6.2:
   3.6.2.Other GNU tools
 
  What is INSTALL-X.org?  Did you actually mean that to be an URL or is it
  the INSTALL from the XF86-3.6.2 ?  If so may I suggested that you update
  your X to XF86-4.x ?
 
 No. I d/l the source, and INSTALL-X.org untars into the ~/xc/ directory. It 
 looked as close to an INSTALL doc as there was, so I started readingit. Did I 
 do something stupid? (Reading the doc, I mean)

Definitely not!  Didn't mean to imply the opposite :-)  I just didn't 
remember the INSTALL file being called INSTALL-X.org. 

[snip]

  Doesn't Mandrake provide RPMs that you could use to update your
  distribution?
 
 Yeah they do - Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil, learn nothing, and 
 upgrade if that system didn't work because the next one will ;-). Mandrake 
 use iso images - fine if you have a cable modem (I don't).
 
 I've sat on lists and watched people cry from updating rpms and downloading 
 binaries. They all finish up d/ling the source.

Well, this is a good attitude, except that there *are* source RPMs and you
can read the specfiles, see what they're doing, edit them, build your own
RPMs, learn, have fine-grained control and then you have a package based
system, which _does_ have advantages unless you are running a minimalistic
distro like KRUD or Slackware.

However, to each his own!  

Best wishes,
-Oisin

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Re: [Newbie]X server cannot be started on display :0...

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

Laurence wrote:
 
 I've installed XFree 4.1.0 on Solaris 8 and finally got the correct configuration. 
The only problem here is that at startup, the dtlogin prints X server cannot be 
started on display :0...
 It seems I need a way to make dtlogin uses the /etc/X11/XF86Config I generated with 
XFree 4.1.0. I looked into manual and found little help. Can anyone help me??

Ah, you're trying to use CDE with XFree86.  I don't have a Solaris box
available right now, and I never bothered to work out how dtlogin is
configured when I did.  You'll need to find out how dtlogin is
configured to decide what X server to start, and point that to the
XFree86 server instead of the Sun X server.  IIRC, the Sun X executables
were in /usr/bin/X11, and the XFree86 equivalent would be
/usr/X11R6/bin.  You'll have to grovel through /etc/rc.d to find how
dtlogin is started, and that should lead you to where it finds out what
X server to start, and then you can just change that from something like
/usr/bin/X11/Xsun to /usr/X11R6/bin/XFree86.  With that and the man
pages you should be able to figure it out eventually.

Bear in mind that I'm working from vague memories, by guess and by gosh
here, so don't expect the details to be correct.  At least all this is
still controlled by plain text files, shell scripts and X resources --
At least it was still in Solaris 7.  They haven't changed that, have
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[Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel

2002-02-08 Thread Bryan

I still can't seem to get this card working.

Here is my config file and my log.   Can anyone help???

I have tried to use different Depth and mode settings but nothing works.
I also had to comment out the BUSID directive to get the system to find the
card.
Errors are bolded.

Thanks,
Bryan
##START CONFIG#

Section ServerLayout
Identifier XFree86 Configured
Screen  0  Screen0 0 0
InputDeviceMouse0 CorePointer
InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard
EndSection

Section Files
RgbPath  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
ModulePath   /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/
FontPath /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
EndSection

Section Module
Load  dbe
Load  dri
Load  extmod
Load  glx
Load  pex5
Load  record
Load  xie
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Keyboard0
Driver  keyboard
EndSection

Section InputDevice
Identifier  Mouse0
Driver  mouse
Option  Protocol auto
Option  Device /dev/mouse
EndSection

Section Monitor
Identifier   Monitor0
VendorName   ViewSonic
ModelNameG810
Horizsync30-97
VertRefresh  50-180
EndSection

Section Device
### Available Driver options are:-
### Values: i: integer, f: float, bool: True/False,
### string: String, freq: f Hz/kHz/MHz
### [arg]: arg optional
#Option NoAccel   # [bool]
#Option SWcursor  # [bool]
#Option Dac6Bit   # [bool]
#Option Dac8Bit   # [bool]
#Option ForcePCIMode  # [bool]
#Option CPPIOMode # [bool]
#Option CPusecTimeout # i
Option AGPMode 4# i
#Option AGPSize   # i
#Option RingSize  # i
#Option BufferSize# i
#Option EnableDepthMoves  # [bool]
#Option UseFBDev  # [bool]
Identifier  Card0
Driver  radeon
VendorName  ATI
BoardName   Radeon VE
#BusID   PCI:1:5:0
EndSection

Section Screen
Identifier Screen0
Device Card0
MonitorMonitor0
SubSection Display
Depth 8
Modes 1024x768
EndSubSection
SubSection Display
Depth 16
Modes 1024x768
EndSubSection
SubSection Display
Depth 24
Modes 1024x768
EndSubSection
EndSection
END CONFIG

START LOG#

XFree86 Version 4.1.0 / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6510)
Release Date: 2 June 2001
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Build Operating System: FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE i386 [ELF] 
Module Loader present
(==) Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log, Time: Fri Feb  8 10:29:51 2002
(++) Using config file: /root/XF86Config.new
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) ServerLayout XFree86 Configured
(**) |--Screen Screen0 (0)
(**) |   |--Monitor Monitor0
(**) |   |--Device Card0
(**) |--Input Device Mouse0
(**) |--Input Device Keyboard0
(**) FontPath set to
/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/X11R6/
lib/X11/fonts/Type1/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/CID/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/
75dpi/,/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/
(**) RgbPath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
(**) ModulePath set to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
(--) Using syscons driver with X support (version 2.0)
(--) using VT number 9

(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libbitmap.a
(II) Module bitmap: vendor=The XFree86 Project
compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 1.0.0
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libpcidata.a
(II) Module pcidata: vendor=The XFree86 Project
compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(II) Module scanpci: vendor=The XFree86 Project
compiled for 4.1.0, module version = 0.1.0
(II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libscanpci.a
(--) PCI:*(1:5:0) ATI Radeon 

Re: [Newbie]can't startx as non-root

2002-02-08 Thread Dexter Filmore

Did you set DRI to 0666 mode? that did the trick on my machine.
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Re: [Newbie]? Fatal server error: no screens found

2002-02-08 Thread Dexter Filmore

Happen to have an ATI card? If so, upgrade to 4.2.0.
And maybe kerne 2.4.17 once you're at it.

On Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:08:03 -0500
Chuck nc8q Gelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 /var/log/Xfree86.0.log at
 http://nc8q.dyndns.org/0.log
 
 What do I do next?
 
 Slackware 8.0, kernel 2.2.19, XFree86-4.1.0
 
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[Newbie](no subject)

2002-02-08 Thread GeneJez

I am considering buyin an older computer to run my linux.
The video support on this is  an 3D Rage Pro AGP Video Chipset .
Does Xwindows support this..or are there only certain releases?..I have
looked at the Video Card list and cant seem to find anything.
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[Newbie]Where is XFree86?

2002-02-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just installed the lastest version of XFree86 on cygwin by sh
Xinstall.sh. However, when I try to configure it, I couldn't find the
command XFree86, nor xf86config or xf86cfg. I searched the whole
file tree under cygwin but with no luck.

How should I install these files and config XFree86?

Thanks!

Wayne


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Re: [Newbie]configure of xdm question

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

Lonnie Cumberland wrote:

 The problem that I am having with xdm is that I need it t oecho back
 something to the user (maybe *) when they type in the password
 field, but cannot seem to make that happen.

Oooh.  Why do you want to do that?  It makes it that much easier for
someone looking over your shoulder to crack your passwd.  If he can
count the keyclicks he hears and compare it to the number of stars he
sees he can even tell how many of the characters are shifted.

A quick look at the man page shows a lot of configurable stuff, but not
that.  I'll assume you took a closer look. If you insist on doing this
you'll have to dig into the code.  Looks like the authentication widget
is called xlogin.  libXdmGreet may also be involved.

Good luck.

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Re: [Newbie]4.2.0 build problem

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Declan Moriarty wrote:
 
  Was it [EMAIL PROTECTED] who wrote on Thursday 07 February 2002 16:03:
   On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Declan Moriarty wrote:
 [snip]
Quote from INSTALL-X.org - 3.6.2:
3.6.2.Other GNU tools
  
   What is INSTALL-X.org?  Did you actually mean that to be an URL or is it
   the INSTALL from the XF86-3.6.2 ?  If so may I suggested that you update
   your X to XF86-4.x ?
 
  No. I d/l the source, and INSTALL-X.org untars into the ~/xc/ directory. It
  looked as close to an INSTALL doc as there was, so I started readingit. Did I
  do something stupid? (Reading the doc, I mean)

Ah, this is what David Dawes was talking about in Message-ID:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] yesterday:

quote
This is from X.Org's installation notes.  The context, although not
all that obvious, is platforms on which the GNU binutils are NOT the
standard tools -- like Solaris.  This doesn't apply to Linux.
/quote

The file INSTALL-X.org is the original installation notes from X.org. 
It's *not* from XFree86.org, and it's not relevant.  It's only kept
around for historical reference.  X.org and XFree86.org are two
different organizations.

I believe for a normal build on a supported (by XFree86.org, not by
X.org) platform, all you need to do is Make World in the xc directory
and it will automagically figure out what environment it's building on,
and build *for* that.

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Re: [Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

Bryan wrote:
 
 I still can't seem to get this card working.

Uh, what are the symptoms?  The only problems I see in the log file are
that you're not loading the Speedo and Type1 font modules, and DRI won't
work in 8-bit depth.  Those should not be showstoppers.

So, are you starting it with startx or with xdm?  What's in your
.xinitrc (with startx) or your .xsession (with xdm)?  What window
manager are you using?  What does the display look like?  If you
Ctl+Alt+F1 to a text console and run top(1) are the X server and your
window manager in there, near the top?  Or can you not switch to a text
console?

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Re: [Newbie](no subject)

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I am considering buyin an older computer to run my linux.
 The video support on this is  an 3D Rage Pro AGP Video Chipset .

Furrfu!  This is an older computer?!?  Here I thought an older
computer would be a 486DX with a VESA Local Bus video board.  I guess
I'm really out of touch...

 Does Xwindows support this..or are there only certain releases?..I have
 looked at the Video Card list and cant seem to find anything.

http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/Status6.html#6

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[Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread admin



Hi, I was reccomened by a few other people to use 
the xpert 128 in X because it had good all around support. I chose Rage 128 as 
my card and when I startx I get this error:

(II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI 
Rage 128 RE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 RF 
(AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK 
(PCI), ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI 
Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI), ATI Rage 
128 Xpert 128 (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF 
(AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE 
(PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF 
(AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF 
(AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)(II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon 
chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP), ATI 
Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG 
(AGP), ATI Radeon VE (AGP)(--) 
Assigning device section with no busID to primary device(EE) No devices 
detected.

Fatal server error:no screens 
found

Here is my XF86Config file: any help is 
appreciated!


# Device configured by xf86config:

Section "Device" 
Identifier "xpert128" 
Driver "ati" 
#VideoRam 16384 # Insert Clocks lines 
here if appropriateEndSection

# 
**# 
Screen sections# 
**

# Any number of screen sections may be present. Each describes# 
the configuration of a single screen. A single specific screen 
section# may be specified from the X server command line with the 
"-screen"# option.Section "Screen" 
Identifier "Screen 1" 
Device "xpert128" 
Monitor "CRX" DefaultDepth 
16

 Subsection 
"Display" 
Depth 
8 
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" 
"640x480" 
ViewPort 0 0 
EndSubsection Subsection 
"Display" 
Depth 
16 
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" 
"640x480" 
ViewPort 0 0 
EndSubsection Subsection 
"Display" 
Depth 
24 
Modes "1024x768" "800x600" 
"640x480" 
ViewPort 0 0 
EndSubsectionEndSection


Re: [Newbie]? Fatal server error: no screens found

2002-02-08 Thread Declan Moriarty

Was it Chuck nc8q Gelm who wrote on Thursday 07 February 2002 00:08:
 /var/log/Xfree86.0.log at
 http://nc8q.dyndns.org/0.log

 What do I do next?

 Slackware 8.0, kernel 2.2.19, XFree86-4.1.0


Check your XF86Config file - there's no screen ;-)
/etc/X11/XF86Config or somewhere.

There should be a Monitor section, and a vga card section
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RE: [Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel

2002-02-08 Thread Bryan

I have tried using startx and just testing the config with
XFree86 -xf86config
I get a black screen and the monitor clicks of from lack of imput.
I tried to get back to text console... the monitor came back to life but the
screen just had a few line patterns on it.  I was unable to get anything
useful without rebooting or sshing from another computer on the network.

I still don't understand why the Speedo and Type1 modules aren't loading
because I have the path in the config and the files are there.

Also, I have tried using every depth setting but 8 and the log does get as
far as it did with out using the 8bit setting.

I am confused big time!


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Ted Spradley
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:27 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel


Bryan wrote:

 I still can't seem to get this card working.

Uh, what are the symptoms?  The only problems I see in the log file are
that you're not loading the Speedo and Type1 font modules, and DRI won't
work in 8-bit depth.  Those should not be showstoppers.

So, are you starting it with startx or with xdm?  What's in your
.xinitrc (with startx) or your .xsession (with xdm)?  What window
manager are you using?  What does the display look like?  If you
Ctl+Alt+F1 to a text console and run top(1) are the X server and your
window manager in there, near the top?  Or can you not switch to a text
console?

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[Newbie]$40.00

2002-02-08 Thread J. Michael Morse

I have saved my sanity.  And it only cost $40.00.  I now have SuSE 7.3, personal 
edition.  Even
that didn't load without a couple of bumps, but I finally have a windows system that 
is at the
correct resolution and is legible.   Now, for the modem . . .

Michael


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RE: [Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel

2002-02-08 Thread Bryan

I tried as you suggested. This fixed the Speedo and Type1 error... but still
have the same results as before with the black screen.

The sync rates from the viewsonic website said

1600 x 1200 @ 77Hz
1280 x 1024 @ 90Hz
1024 x 768 @ 118Hz
800 x 600 @ 149Hz
640 x 480 @ 180Hz

I want to run this at 1600x1200 @ 77Hz

but I would be happy with anything at this point.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Ted Spradley
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel


Bryan wrote:

 I have tried using startx and just testing the config with
 XFree86 -xf86config
 I get a black screen and the monitor clicks of from lack of imput.
 I tried to get back to text console... the monitor came back to life but
the
 screen just had a few line patterns on it.  I was unable to get anything
 useful without rebooting or sshing from another computer on the network.

That sure sounds like the Horizontal or Vertical synch is outside of the
range the monitor can handle.  The Viewsonic G810 is getting a bit old,
but it was a *very* nice monitor, and should be able to do:

(**) RADEON(0): Default mode 1024x768: 94.5 MHz, 68.7 kHz, 85.0 Hz

That

Horizsync30-97
VertRefresh  50-180

does come from DDC and it's not something you made up, is it?  That 180
Hz seems a bit optimistic, but 85 Hz doesn't seem out of line.  IIRC, I
used to run a G810 at 1280X1024 at 72 or maybe 76 Hz (under Digital
Unix).  Just for an experiment, try changing that 50-180 to, say, 50-80
and see what happens.

 I still don't understand why the Speedo and Type1 modules aren't loading
 because I have the path in the config and the files are there.

Add

Load  type1
Load  freetype
Load  speedo

to the Module section of XF86Config


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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi, I was reccomened by a few other people to use the xpert 128 in X
 because it had good all around support. I chose Rage 128 as my card
 and when I startx I get this error:
[...]
 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
 (EE) No devices detected.

Gack!!  You did put the card into a slot in the box, didn't you?  ;-)

Does scanpci(1) find the video card?  Is it listed in the spew of device
identifications when your system boots up?  You didn't tell us anything
about what Operating System  (Solaris?  QNX?) you're running, nor what
version of XFree86.

 Here is my XF86Config file: any help  is appreciated!

That's not all of the file, is it?

 
 
 # Device configured by xf86config:
 
 Section Device
 Identifier  xpert128
 Driver  ati
 #VideoRam16384
 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
 EndSection
 
 
 #
 **
 # Screen sections
 #
 **
 
 # Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
 # the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen
 section
 # may be specified from the X server command line with the -screen
 # option.
 Section Screen
 Identifier  Screen 1
 Device  xpert128
 Monitor CRX
 DefaultDepth 16
 
 Subsection Display
 Depth   8
 Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth   16
 Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth   24
 Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 EndSection

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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread James Hewitt

On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 11:13:48AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, the card is AGP first of all. Second here is the full error:
  
 (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI unknown chipset (0x5446) rev 0, Mem @ 0xd400/26,
 0xd900/14, I/O @ 0xc000/8
 
 (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.3.6) for chipsets: ati, ativga
 (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
 ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI),
 ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI),
 ATI Rage 128 Xpert 128 (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP),
 ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP),
 ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
 (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
 ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
 ATI Radeon VE (AGP)
 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
 (EE) No devices detected.
 
 scanpci reports this:
 
 pci bus 0x1 cardnum 0x00 function 0x: vendor 0x1002 device 0x5446
  ATI  Device unknown
 
 Thanks!

One thing to try is adding the following line to the device section
that uses the r128 driver:

BusID PCI:1:0:0

But, the problem may be that 4.1.0 doesn't recognize the chipset
ID on the card, because it's too new.  You might try installing the
port of 4.2.0, or modifying the 4.1.0 source for the driver to
recognize the card (I haven't done this, but it should be possible).
 
-James

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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread admin

does 4.2.0 support this card and 4.1 doesnt? it is a pretty old card.

- Original Message -
From: James Hewitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working


 On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 11:13:48AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, the card is AGP first of all. Second here is the full error:
  
  (--) PCI:*(1:0:0) ATI unknown chipset (0x5446) rev 0, Mem @
0xd400/26,
  0xd900/14, I/O @ 0xc000/8
  
  (II) ATI: ATI driver (version 6.3.6) for chipsets: ati, ativga
  (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
  ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK
(PCI),
  ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI),
  ATI Rage 128 Xpert 128 (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP),
  ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP),
  ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
  (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
  ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
  ATI Radeon VE (AGP)
  (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
  (EE) No devices detected.
  
  scanpci reports this:
 
  pci bus 0x1 cardnum 0x00 function 0x: vendor 0x1002 device 0x5446
   ATI  Device unknown
 
  Thanks!

 One thing to try is adding the following line to the device section
 that uses the r128 driver:

 BusID PCI:1:0:0

 But, the problem may be that 4.1.0 doesn't recognize the chipset
 ID on the card, because it's too new.  You might try installing the
 port of 4.2.0, or modifying the 4.1.0 source for the driver to
 recognize the card (I haven't done this, but it should be possible).

 -James

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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 as you can see it is XFree86 version 4.1.0 running on FreeBSD 4.5.

Ah, something familiar.  Good!

 scanpci reports this:
 
 pci bus 0x1 cardnum 0x00 function 0x: vendor 0x1002 device 0x5446
  ATI  Device unknown

Not so good.

How does it show up in dmesg?  My guess is that your video board is a
brand new chipset and 4.1.0 doesn't know about device 0x5446.  Maybe
4.2.0 knows more about it.  I'm about to embark on that upgrade myself,
I'll post my experiences probably tonight or tomorrow morning.

Of course, since I don't have a vendor 0x1002 device 0x5446 my results
won't be perfectly relevant to you.

I just thought of something.  I'll bet that if XFree86 4.2.0 knows about
that device ID, then the 4.2.0 version of scanpci also knows about it. 
You might want to find out before you download 62.5 Megabytes.  If you
can't get the 4.2.0 scanpci somewhere else, contact me off list and I'll
send it to you.

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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread Lionel Lecoq

You may want to try :
Driver r128
Lionel
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, I was reccomened by a few other people to use the xpert 128 in X because it had 
good all
 around support. I chose Rage 128 as my card and when I startx I get this error:
 
 (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
 ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK (PCI),
 ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI),
 ATI Rage 128 Xpert 128 (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP),
 ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP),
 ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
 (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
 ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
 ATI Radeon VE (AGP)
 (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
 (EE) No devices detected.
 
 Fatal server error:
 no screens found
 
 
 Here is my XF86Config file: any help  is appreciated!
 
 
 # Device configured by xf86config:
 
 Section Device
 Identifier  xpert128
 Driver  ati
 #VideoRam16384
 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
 EndSection
 
 
 # **
 # Screen sections
 # **
 
 # Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
 # the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen section
 # may be specified from the X server command line with the -screen
 # option.
 Section Screen
 Identifier  Screen 1
 Device  xpert128
 Monitor CRX
 DefaultDepth 16
 
 Subsection Display
 Depth   8
 Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth   16
 Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 Subsection Display
 Depth   24
 Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
 ViewPort0 0
 EndSubsection
 EndSection
 
 


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Re: [Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel

2002-02-08 Thread Lionel Lecoq

You may need 4.2 (use google on this list the question came a few times...)
Lionel
--- Ted Spradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Bryan wrote:
  
  I still can't seem to get this card working.
 
 Uh, what are the symptoms?  The only problems I see in the log file are
 that you're not loading the Speedo and Type1 font modules, and DRI won't
 work in 8-bit depth.  Those should not be showstoppers.
 


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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread Vern W Heesch

On Friday 08 February 2002 11:22 am, you wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  as you can see it is XFree86 version 4.1.0 running on FreeBSD 4.5.

I am not runnng FreeBSD , I run Caldera, but I had a problem getting my AIW 
Pro to work with XFree86-4.1.0. It doesn't recognize all the different 
chipsets. I had to make it believe it was a different chipset. It works fine 
now. For what it's worth, here is my relevant section from XF86Config maybe 
it'll work for you too.

Section Device
Identifier  ATI Rage 128 Pro
Driver  r128
VideoRam32768
ChipId  0x5246
Option  AGPMode 2
Option  DPMS
# Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
EndSection

Good luck,
Vern
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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread admin

Here is what dmesg says:
vga0: Generic ISA VGA at port 0x3c0-0x3df iomem 0xa-0xb on isa0

I will upgrade to 4.2 if it will work, thanks! =)

- Original Message - 
From: Ted Spradley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  as you can see it is XFree86 version 4.1.0 running on FreeBSD 4.5.
 
 Ah, something familiar.  Good!
 
  scanpci reports this:
  
  pci bus 0x1 cardnum 0x00 function 0x: vendor 0x1002 device 0x5446
   ATI  Device unknown
 
 Not so good.
 
 How does it show up in dmesg?  My guess is that your video board is a
 brand new chipset and 4.1.0 doesn't know about device 0x5446.  Maybe
 4.2.0 knows more about it.  I'm about to embark on that upgrade myself,
 I'll post my experiences probably tonight or tomorrow morning.
 
 Of course, since I don't have a vendor 0x1002 device 0x5446 my results
 won't be perfectly relevant to you.
 
 I just thought of something.  I'll bet that if XFree86 4.2.0 knows about
 that device ID, then the 4.2.0 version of scanpci also knows about it. 
 You might want to find out before you download 62.5 Megabytes.  If you
 can't get the 4.2.0 scanpci somewhere else, contact me off list and I'll
 send it to you.
 
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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread admin

tried that, same results

- Original Message -
From: Lionel Lecoq [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working


 You may want to try :
 Driver r128
 Lionel
 --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, I was reccomened by a few other people to use the xpert 128 in X
because it had good all
  around support. I chose Rage 128 as my card and when I startx I get this
error:
 
  (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
  ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK
(PCI),
  ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI),
  ATI Rage 128 Xpert 128 (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP),
  ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF (AGP),
  ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
  (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
  ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
  ATI Radeon VE (AGP)
  (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
  (EE) No devices detected.
 
  Fatal server error:
  no screens found
 
 
  Here is my XF86Config file: any help  is appreciated!
 
 
  # Device configured by xf86config:
 
  Section Device
  Identifier  xpert128
  Driver  ati
  #VideoRam16384
  # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
  EndSection
 
 
  # **
  # Screen sections
  # **
 
  # Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
  # the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen
section
  # may be specified from the X server command line with the -screen
  # option.
  Section Screen
  Identifier  Screen 1
  Device  xpert128
  Monitor CRX
  DefaultDepth 16
 
  Subsection Display
  Depth   8
  Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
  ViewPort0 0
  EndSubsection
  Subsection Display
  Depth   16
  Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
  ViewPort0 0
  EndSubsection
  Subsection Display
  Depth   24
  Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
  ViewPort0 0
  EndSubsection
  EndSection
 
 


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[Newbie]X 4.2.0 , GATOS DRM and Rage Fury Pro AGP trouble(oh my)

2002-02-08 Thread Tom Bednarchuk



Ok so I've downloaded the X 4.2.0 source and added 
the DRM kernel to it and compiled the DRM source to get the DRM kernel drivers. 
(Note: I did not compile XFree 4.2.0 as I had installed it from binaries - 
potential mistake)

I then installed the ATI 4.2.0 drivers by moving 
the tar to /usr and untarring. (is that all ? - potential mistake 
#2)

The problems:

#1 If I run XINE with my two monitors enabled it'll 
go for a while and then lock up. It used to work but now is quite 
unreliable.

#2 If I connect the TV out, I do not get anything 
on bootup. (I mean that I get output until X starts up and then lock 
up)

Using the DRM troubleshooting guide, I find the 
following:
#1 Using dmesg it says 
  
[drm:r128_cce_start] *ERROR* r128_cce_start called without lock 
held

#2 In Xfree86 log it says:
  Loading 
/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/drivers/r128_drv.o
  
 compiled for 4.0.99.900 
 Later it says:
  drmGetBusID 
returned ' '
  
 AGP didn't init Be sure to load AGPGART.
 And still later:
  loading 
theatre compiled for 4.0.99.900

This seems to say to me that some of the modules I 
need are not compiled for 4.2.0 but do I need to compile XFree86 completely to 
get this going or what ?

Any input is appreciated

Tom
  



Re: [Newbie](no subject)

2002-02-08 Thread Dexter Filmore

to OT: don't start messing around with ATI if u r not sure bout support, too much 
trouble with ATI here. Wanna buy my Voodoo 3 2000 AGP? Works like a charm ;)
I'd even trade it for the ATI given i has TV out so can put it in my Win-VCR box :)
Besides, get rid of AOL, no offense.

to Ted: well my secondary machine is a K6-2/350@400 and consider this thing old... am 
currently setting up a relict from the past as router/firewall (P166)... this is 
*real* old




On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 11:32:37 -0600
Ted Spradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  I am considering buyin an older computer to run my linux.
  The video support on this is  an 3D Rage Pro AGP Video Chipset .
 
 Furrfu!  This is an older computer?!?  Here I thought an older
 computer would be a 486DX with a VESA Local Bus video board.  I guess
 I'm really out of touch...
 
  Does Xwindows support this..or are there only certain releases?..I have
  looked at the Video Card list and cant seem to find anything.
 
 http://www.xfree86.org/4.2.0/Status6.html#6
 
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[Newbie]Why would RH7.1 with the Laptop Install require a SMP kernel?

2002-02-08 Thread James Taylor

I am a newbie to linux.  I am interested in updating the Red Hat 7.1 
(Seawolf) I have installed, using the Laptop selection during the install, 
on my Dell 8000 (Laptop w/ 1GHz PIII, 256MB RAM, 15SVGA+ LCD, DVD, etc...).

I am attempting to use the interesting up2date program.  The program skips 
the kernel updates but indicates:

Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies...
There was a fatal RPM error.  The message was:
To solve all dependencies for the RPMs you have selected, The following 
packages you have marked to exclude would have to be added to the set:

kernel-smp-2.4.9-21

Why would anything installed with the Laptop install process require the 
smp kernel?  Which package(s) rewquire(s) the smp kernel.  I assume I won't 
need that rpm/package, but I am not sure.

Details on how to upgrade the kernel with information on how to fix the 
Nvidia GeForce Go (32MB) video patch for the kernel would also be appreciated.

Thanks,

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RE: [Newbie]Xfree86 4.1.12, FreeBSD4.5, ATI Radeon 7000 VE Duel

2002-02-08 Thread Bryan

Thanks to everyone who was helping me!

I found out that the problem was that the XFree86 4.1 drivers for the Radeon
VE card where buggy.  My screen blacked out because the driver was driving
the DVI port instead of the VGA port on my card.   I did solve the problem
by completely removing XFree86 4.1 from the system and doing a clean install
of XFree86 4.2.0

There still seems to be a bug in that the color depth only works at 8 bit
setting.  If anyone knows how to fix it please share it on the list.

Thanks again,
Bryan




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Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working

2002-02-08 Thread admin

Well, I installed X 4.2.0 and it works!!! Thanks everyone!

- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working


 tried that, same results

 - Original Message -
 From: Lionel Lecoq [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 11:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [Newbie]ATI Xpert 128 Not Working


  You may want to try :
  Driver r128
  Lionel
  --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Hi, I was reccomened by a few other people to use the xpert 128 in X
 because it had good all
   around support. I chose Rage 128 as my card and when I startx I get
this
 error:
  
   (II) R128: Driver for ATI Rage 128 chipsets: ATI Rage 128 RE (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 RF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RG (AGP), ATI Rage 128 RK
 (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 RL (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Pro PD (PCI),
   ATI Rage 128 Xpert 128 (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Pro PF (AGP),
   ATI Rage 128 Mobility LE (PCI), ATI Rage 128 Mobility LF
(AGP),
   ATI Rage 128 Mobility MF (AGP), ATI Rage 128 Mobility ML (AGP)
   (II) RADEON: Driver for ATI Radeon chipsets: ATI Radeon QD (AGP),
   ATI Radeon QE (AGP), ATI Radeon QF (AGP), ATI Radeon QG (AGP),
   ATI Radeon VE (AGP)
   (--) Assigning device section with no busID to primary device
   (EE) No devices detected.
  
   Fatal server error:
   no screens found
  
  
   Here is my XF86Config file: any help  is appreciated!
  
  
   # Device configured by xf86config:
  
   Section Device
   Identifier  xpert128
   Driver  ati
   #VideoRam16384
   # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate
   EndSection
  
  
   #
**
   # Screen sections
   #
**
  
   # Any number of screen sections may be present.  Each describes
   # the configuration of a single screen.  A single specific screen
 section
   # may be specified from the X server command line with the -screen
   # option.
   Section Screen
   Identifier  Screen 1
   Device  xpert128
   Monitor CRX
   DefaultDepth 16
  
   Subsection Display
   Depth   8
   Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
   ViewPort0 0
   EndSubsection
   Subsection Display
   Depth   16
   Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
   ViewPort0 0
   EndSubsection
   Subsection Display
   Depth   24
   Modes   1024x768 800x600 640x480
   ViewPort0 0
   EndSubsection
   EndSection
  
  
 
 
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Re: [Newbie]Hint to all folks with ATI cards

2002-02-08 Thread fred bazolo

On Friday 08 February 2002 15:21, you wrote:
Glad to hear your suggestion. I'm only a techie wannabe, and a lazy/busy one 
at that, soI'm just going to wait for the next SuSE release to get the 
4.20 of XFree.

What I need to do is get some trashy box that I can hack on and not mess up 
work, then I can expeeriment and learn how to compile the kernel, install new 
versions of XFree, etc, without trashing all my work.

fred

 I noticed that there is really really much problem talk about ATI cards
 here, and tho it might not solve anything I can only recommend

 ***getting the latest XFree, in this case 4.2.0***

 I've been messing around for MONTHS with my Radeon, installed 4.1.99 resp.
 4.2.0 and tada, works like a charm. So b4 posting error msg and all that
 stuff if somebody encounters hard times with XF ver=4.1, upgrade to 4.2

 And maybe one could cat this into a digest and mail it to ATI? Maybe makes
 them a lil more talkative about chip specs etc.

 Dex
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Re: [Newbie]Hint to all folks with ATI cards

2002-02-08 Thread admin

yes this is a good tip, Xpert128 AGP does NOT work in 4.1 but does work in
4.2. Thanks!

- Original Message -
From: fred bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Newbie]Hint to all folks with ATI cards


 On Friday 08 February 2002 15:21, you wrote:
 Glad to hear your suggestion. I'm only a techie wannabe, and a lazy/busy
one
 at that, soI'm just going to wait for the next SuSE release to get the
 4.20 of XFree.

 What I need to do is get some trashy box that I can hack on and not mess
up
 work, then I can expeeriment and learn how to compile the kernel, install
new
 versions of XFree, etc, without trashing all my work.

 fred

  I noticed that there is really really much problem talk about ATI cards
  here, and tho it might not solve anything I can only recommend
 
  ***getting the latest XFree, in this case 4.2.0***
 
  I've been messing around for MONTHS with my Radeon, installed 4.1.99
resp.
  4.2.0 and tada, works like a charm. So b4 posting error msg and all that
  stuff if somebody encounters hard times with XF ver=4.1, upgrade to 4.2
 
  And maybe one could cat this into a digest and mail it to ATI? Maybe
makes
  them a lil more talkative about chip specs etc.
 
  Dex
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Re: [Newbie]Hint to all folks with ATI cards

2002-02-08 Thread Dexter Filmore

Well from what I've heard the XFree binaries are quite okay... I myself used the 
Slackware files (still I'm surprised it's maintained that fast, taking into account 
how many ppl use it compared to the big ones like RH/SuSE/debian and so on) and 
everything is great. What's on my to do list is installing GATOS, but I'm a lil afraid 
it could mess up my sys, and currently I don't have enough space for backup... that 
is, unless I did it on a loopback on my Windoze disk.

What you need is not a second box but rather a second hard disk to play around with - 
just make the FAT partitions inaccessible and you should be safe... unless you fool 
around with fdisk not knowing what ur doing, that is.

Dex


On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:30:16 -0500
fred bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Friday 08 February 2002 15:21, you wrote:
 Glad to hear your suggestion. I'm only a techie wannabe, and a lazy/busy one 
 at that, soI'm just going to wait for the next SuSE release to get the 
 4.20 of XFree.
 
 What I need to do is get some trashy box that I can hack on and not mess up 
 work, then I can expeeriment and learn how to compile the kernel, install new 
 versions of XFree, etc, without trashing all my work.
 
 fred
 
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Re: [Newbie]Strange behavior of of the S3 Server in XFree 3.3.6

2002-02-08 Thread ofeeley

On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Jan Henrik Helmuth Lühr wrote:

 greetings,
 
 I'm use X3.3.6 and the S3 Server on a Debian 2.2r5, and the server behaves 
 strange. When I started a X -query everything was normal. But when I tried
 to 
 start it via runlevel, I was'nt able to use the keyboard . I was'nt able to
 login or 
 switch to another console. I also was'nt able to switch the numlock on or
 off.
 
 I've used the same configuration with an Ati Mach64 server and erverything 
 worked fine.
 
 Who can explain this strange behavoir?
 

What chipset are you using (is it by any chance a Savage4 ?).  I hope that 
it is not *exactly* the same configuration because it should specifiy in 
the Graphics Device Section that there is a Device with Identifier that is 
NOT ATI Mach64.  (If it is exactly the same then no wonder it doesn't 
work!).

-Oisin

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[Newbie]Installing 4.2.0 onto FreeBSD, from binaries

2002-02-08 Thread Ted Spradley

Well, I was going to post a play-by-play, blow-by-blow description, but
it went so smoothly it's probably not worth the bother.

The executive summary is:  I backed up /usr/X11R6, /etc/X11, and
/var/log/xdm-errors, changed the on to off in /etc/ttys and killed
xdm, then ran sudo sh ./Xinstall.sh and answered 'y' to almost all the
questions (I skipped the Japanese and Postscript docs).  Then I changed
/etc/ttys back and sudo kill -1 1 and it just came right back up.

If anyone wants more details, ask soon before I forget.  ;-)

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Re: [Newbie]Why would RH7.1 with the Laptop Install require a SMP kernel?

2002-02-08 Thread James Taylor

I have updated my system using up2date (after updating up2date that 
is).  All went well.  I started with RH 7.1.  Is up2date not supposed to 
update it to 7.2?

Besides that, I would like some help getting X running.

Xconfigurator now has settings for my GeForceGo laptop chip, and I select 
the Dell 1400X for the SXGA+ 15 monitor.  However, X does not work..I get 
vertical lines green/red/etc... and no x.

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

James

At 03:36 PM 2/8/2002 -0500, you wrote:
I am a newbie to linux.  I am interested in updating the Red Hat 7.1 
(Seawolf) I have installed, using the Laptop selection during the install, 
on my Dell 8000 (Laptop w/ 1GHz PIII, 256MB RAM, 15SVGA+ LCD, DVD, etc...).

I am attempting to use the interesting up2date program.  The program skips 
the kernel updates but indicates:

Testing package set / solving RPM inter-dependencies...
There was a fatal RPM error.  The message was:
To solve all dependencies for the RPMs you have selected, The following 
packages you have marked to exclude would have to be added to the set:

kernel-smp-2.4.9-21

Why would anything installed with the Laptop install process require the 
smp kernel?  Which package(s) rewquire(s) the smp kernel.  I assume I 
won't need that rpm/package, but I am not sure.

Details on how to upgrade the kernel with information on how to fix the 
Nvidia GeForce Go (32MB) video patch for the kernel would also be appreciated.

Thanks,

James

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Re: [Newbie]Hint to all folks with ATI cards

2002-02-08 Thread fred bazolo

Actually, I do have a second hard drive, and I really don't use it much - 
just park stuff there for the weekend backup of graphics files to cds and 
documents.

I know that some people do have multiple distros set up on their machines, 
and it's probably pretty easy to do. But like I said, I'm a real moron at 
this point with linux - it's just one step at a time. It takes me about 6- 8 
hours to reconfigure everything when I crash everything, which happens pretty 
regularly when there is a block of 48 or 72 hours with which to try something 
new.

So exactly how do you set up a second distro? I do use lilo, not GRUB, and 
lilo is one of the few things I never have a problem fooling around with. 
Unlike compiling - I've tried many dozens of times to compile a linux kernel, 
with no success. There must be some one small thing I'm doing incorrectly, 
but I don't know what it is. For example - and this is just one of the things 
about compiling that eludes me - if I want to change just one thing, like 
turning on scsi emulation when using Red Hat x.x so one can use an ATAPI cd 
burner, when I go into xconfigure nothing seems to be set up the way my 
machine is set up - in other words, it doesn't seem like you can ever just 
change one thing because the way the machine configures itself seems to 
follow a different configuration then the way xconfiugre is set up when you 
go into it. It says I have a pentium when I actually have and AMD AThlon and 
so forth. And I do not have anywhere near the knowledge to set up everything 
- I've tried just for the hell of it, many times but like I said, with no 
success.

But this is getting way off the XFree topics.

fred

On Friday 08 February 2002 18:14, you wrote:
 Well from what I've heard the XFree binaries are quite okay... I myself
 used the Slackware files (still I'm surprised it's maintained that fast,
 taking into account how many ppl use it compared to the big ones like
 RH/SuSE/debian and so on) and everything is great. What's on my to do list
 is installing GATOS, but I'm a lil afraid it could mess up my sys, and
 currently I don't have enough space for backup... that is, unless I did it
 on a loopback on my Windoze disk.

 What you need is not a second box but rather a second hard disk to play
 around with - just make the FAT partitions inaccessible and you should be
 safe... unless you fool around with fdisk not knowing what ur doing, that
 is.

 Dex


 On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:30:16 -0500

 fred bazolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Friday 08 February 2002 15:21, you wrote:
  Glad to hear your suggestion. I'm only a techie wannabe, and a lazy/busy
  one at that, soI'm just going to wait for the next SuSE release to
  get the 4.20 of XFree.
 
  What I need to do is get some trashy box that I can hack on and not mess
  up work, then I can expeeriment and learn how to compile the kernel,
  install new versions of XFree, etc, without trashing all my work.
 
  fred

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Re: [Newbie]Hint to all folks with ATI cards

2002-02-08 Thread Dexter Filmore

 
 I know that some people do have multiple distros set up on their machines, 
 and it's probably pretty easy to do. But like I said, I'm a real moron at 
 this point with linux

GOOD :D morons rule! perfect base for linux.

 - it's just one step at a time. It takes me about 6- 8 
 hours to reconfigure everything when I crash everything, which happens pretty 
 regularly when there is a block of 48 or 72 hours with which to try something 
 new.
 
 So exactly how do you set up a second distro? I do use lilo, not GRUB, and 
 lilo is one of the few things I never have a problem fooling around with. 
 Unlike compiling - I've tried many dozens of times to compile a linux kernel, 
 with no success. There must be some one small thing I'm doing incorrectly, 
 but I don't know what it is. For example - and this is just one of the things 
 about compiling that eludes me - if I want to change just one thing, like 
 turning on scsi emulation when using Red Hat x.x so one can use an ATAPI cd 
 burner, when I go into xconfigure nothing seems to be set up the way my 
 machine is set up - in other words, it doesn't seem like you can ever just 
 change one thing because the way the machine configures itself seems to 
 follow a different configuration then the way xconfiugre is set up when you 
 go into it. It says I have a pentium when I actually have and AMD AThlon and 
 so forth. And I do not have anywhere near the knowledge to set up everything 
 - I've tried just for the hell of it, many times but like I said, with no 
 success.

Hmmm. mail to my adress, I'll give u some advice - but not right now, I'm drunk :)
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[Newbie].xinitrc question.

2002-02-08 Thread Aramis Pena

Hello all.
Im running Linux RH 7.1 with all the original
software. ( I haven't update any yet)
My question is:
Do i have to create .xinitrc since not in my home?
It's readint /usr/lib/X11/xinit/xinitrc by default. Or
is there anything i must do so it can be in my home
dir automatically?  thank you and sorry about q like
this but i'm new at this but willing to stay up this
late and learn the stuff.



  
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[Newbie]Help getting the twist top off

2002-02-08 Thread Fred Aldrich

Thanks for the catch.
I changed/fixed my path.  Added the . and tried it again with the same 
results.
So as I was scratching my head I noticed the message read //gnu-tar: not 
found
and //extract: not found and I thought why // ?  So I looked at the 
Xinstall.sh and
discovered the following code fragments WDIR = `pwd`, EXTRACT=$WDIR/,
and TAR=$WDIR/.  Since I have the downloaded stuff in / the code fragments
resolve into //gnu-tar and //extract, a problem. So I moved the stuff to a 
new
directory /XFree86 and got the following messages.


Creating /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb
Extracting Xetc.tgz into a temporary location ...
== Extracting /XFree86/Xetc.tgz ==
Installing the app-defaults config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the fs config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the lbxproxy config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the proxymngr config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the rstart config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the twm config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the xdm config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the xinit config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the xsm config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the xserver config files ...
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
Installing the XftConfig config file ...
+ cp -p .etctmp/XftConfig /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XftConfig
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found
/XFree86/gnu-tar: not found


Installing the mandatory parts of the binary distribution

== Extracting /XFree86/Xbin.tgz ==
== Extracting /XFree86/Xlib.tgz ==
== Extracting /XFree86/Xman.tgz ==
== Extracting /XFree86/Xdoc.tgz ==
== Extracting /XFree86/Xfnts.tgz ==
== Extracting /XFree86/Xfenc.tgz ==
== Extracting /XFree86/Xxserv.tgz ==
Checking for post-release updates ...
Checking for optional components to install ...
Do you want to install Xfsrv.tgz (font server)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xfsrv.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xnest.tgz (Nested X server)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xnest.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xprog.tgz (programmer support)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xprog.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xprt.tgz (X print server)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xprt.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xvfb.tgz (Virtual framebuffer X server)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xvfb.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xf100.tgz (100dpi fonts)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xf100.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xfscl.tgz (Scaled fonts (Speedo, Type1 and TTF))? 
(y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xfscl.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xhtml.tgz (Docs in HTML)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xhtml.tgz ==
Do you want to install Xps.tgz (Docs in PostScript)? (y/n) [y] y
== Extracting /XFree86/Xps.tgz ==

You appear to have a termcap file: /etc/termcap
This should be edited manually to replace the xterm entries
with those in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/etc/xterm.termcap

Note: the new xterm entries are required to take full advantage
of new features, but they may cause problems when used with
older versions of xterm.  A terminal type 'xterm-r6' is included
for compatibility with the standard X11R6 version of xterm.

You appear to have a terminfo directory: /usr/lib/terminfo
New xterm terminfo entries can be installed now.

Note: the new xterm entries are required to take full advantage
of new features, but they may cause problems when used with
older versions of xterm.  A terminal type 'xterm-r6' is included
for compatibility with the standard X11R6 version of xterm.

Do you wish to have the new xterm terminfo entries installed
now (y/n)? [n] y


Installing new terminfo entries for xterm.

On some systems you may get warnings from tic about 'meml'
and 'memu'.  These warnings can safely be ignored.

tic: Can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/etc/xterm.terminfo

Checking if compatibility links for the FreeType2 library are needed ...

Updating the fonts.dir file in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/local...
Updating the fonts.dir file in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc...

If you are going to use rstart and /usr/X11R6/bin isn't in the
default path for commands run remotely via rsh, you will need
a link to rstartd installed in /usr/bin.


Do you wish to have this link installed (y/n)? [n] y
Creating link from /usr/X11R6/bin/rstartd to /usr/bin/rstartd

Installation complete.

As we can see extract worked but gnu-tar is still not found.  Has anyone 
seen this behavior.  It makes me thing there is a problem(s) with soft 
links in cygwin.  To get around this does the $TAR have to be used?  Why 
not $EXTRACT?

Thanks again

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