Re: [nlug] Server suggestions

[Jack Coats]

Depends on what you need/want.  Do you have any goals or projects you want
to do?

On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 5:59 PM Jackie Moore  wrote:

> I was gifted a Dell OptiPlex 7040 SFF that was used as a server. It has an
> i5 currently running Windows 10 with 2 - 1TB 2.5" 7200rpm hard drives and
> 8GB 2133Mhz DDR4 memory. Thoughts on what I should do with it?
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Re: [nlug] compassion

[Jack Coats]

Totally agree.

Even my long term distain of Bill Gates ever since his "open letter
hackers" has somewhat mitigated distain got him and his company, the Gates
Foundation has been doing much good that no government entity had the
knowledge or political will to address.
I still don't give him a pass for bad historical actions, but do applaud
his good works.

As to personal tragedies... We all have them in life, and do not deny their
reality and try to support people no matter their station in life.

... Jack

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022, 9:42 PM Howard White  wrote:

> Most of you know of my disdain for the company Microsoft.  But life gets
> in the way sometimes:
>
> "The son of Microsoft Corp. Chief Executive Satya Nadella has died, a
> spokesperson for the company said Tuesday.
>
> “Very sadly Satya’s son Zain Nadella has passed away. The Nadellas are
> taking time to grieve privately as a family,” the spokesperson said.
>
> Zain Nadella, who was in his mid-20s, was born with cerebral palsy,
> which his father has credited for softening his outlook on work and life."
>
> That we may all learn how to soften our harsh tendencies...
>
> Howard
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[nlug] Moving my domain

[Jack Coats]

I really don't use my domain for much other than Gsuite/GWorkspace.  I have
had the 'free' option for years
but being a normal corporate customer, they want to monetize all they can,
so starting in July timeframe
they will start charging $6/mo/user minimum.  Not bad for 1, but given I
don't make money on it, and I am
cheap, I am looking for another solution.

Suggestions are welcome.

I want to keep coats.org and our email addresses.  The web site is nice but
not required.

Any good local hosting providers or even ones folks have had experience
with on the 'net'.

I appreciate the help in advance!
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Re: [nlug] Creating the second worst programming language

[Jack Coats]

Specialty languages used for non-designed purpose is pretty bad.
I too hate having to 'mix languages', but until we get to the nirvana of
the 'you know what I mean' compiler that runs JIT we are out of luck.
I remember being forced to learn various assemblers, then rejoicing in
FORTRAN, COBOL was never my thing, but it was somewhat
better than RPG or RPGII - a column oriented language made for the coding
form and punch card days.

I understand the various languages trying to get us more into programming
ideas rather than hardware, but raw speed comes from
programming understanding the hardware and using it, not having the
compilers/interpreters getting around our lack of understanding
to make it seem easy rather than having faster programs. ... Businesses
crossed over the point where hardware was cheaper than
programmer time back in the mid '70s, so our focus now is on making our
programmers productive rather than the hardware.
My idea has been making the USERS more productive even if it means
programmers working harder, but given the tendency to
ship beta software to paying customers and making them pay for it, that
doesn't seem to be the case with many software authors.

Even in the days of assembler programming, macros made programmers sloppy,
so unless speed or storage was mission
critical, even then truly optimized coding started to slip back then.  Code
libraries had their own overhead but at least most
tight library coders took pride in optimizing for speed and/or size
depending on the target audience.

This is why the on 'next to the metal' programming some ever see is on the
cheapest and smallest of microprocessors typically put
in embedded systems (that many never see as users).

Such is a good reason I am retired, instead of being that grumpy ol grey
hair in the backroom...

Oh the video, ... Thanks Howard, I had a great laugh and lots of memories
going to 'standards committees' at SHARE or such places.
SHARE... to they still have those?  Showing my age.  That was back in the
days when I could have coffee with Dennis RIchie and
lunch with Linus (I had to promise to NOT talk about Linux ... We talked
about his new son instead!)

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:28 PM Paul Boniol  wrote:

> FYI: The big players seem to have standardized on using a CONCAT function
> in recent years.
> Oracle traditionally uses ||.
> SQL Server traditionally uses +.
> MySQL doesn't seem to have any alternative.
>
> Paul
>
> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 10:34 AM 'Michael Chaney' via NLUG <
> nlug-talk@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> In fairness, SQL was created in the early 1970s, just a little bit after
>> the C language.  It greatly predates all of the other languages using a
>> C-based syntax that also use "||" as "logical OR".
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 8:09 AM Tilghman Lesher 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think he missed the worst possible string concatenation operator,
>>> from SQL:  ||, worst because it means logical OR in pretty much every
>>> other language out there.  If you want to make people fail, reusing
>>> operators in a completely different and mutually incompatible context,
>>> is clearly the way to go.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021 at 12:40 PM Howard White  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Enjoy...
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> > Howard
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Re: [nlug] Reminiscing

[Jack Coats]

Every time I did a full cost analysis of my 'home computing' setup before
moving to TN, I had about $5k in it.
Altair 8800 started it but the time it was 'all built out' upgraded a few
times (memory, floppy disks, video monitor/keyboard,
printer, and addons like speech synthesizer, camera, modems, etc, and a bit
of software (and lots of downloads over
300 or 2400 or even 9600 baud connections) and a massive library and
catalog of 8" floppys (think thousand or more),

then I moved to PC era, with a Columbia with an 8088, upgraded to 386's and
more, laser printer (still had the Heathkit though),
color display with some graphics, sound card, better modems, and some
software, and the first hard drives, 5M then a huge 20M drive, yeah,
another $5K

Eventually networking everything, my first home linux dialout router
(Slackware 0.98 or .096, can't remember, on a small form
factor PC with 396SX running headless with an ethernet card and wired the
rest of the house with a dedicated phone line.

I owned a small mainframe in here at one time... but never could have the
money or time to hook it  up so gave it
away for scrap to be hauled off (IBM system 3 with card reader/punch, band
printer,  and disk.  And a couple of tape drives
(not common on system 3 as I remember).

At first it called out for UUCP links to the local unix users group system
that had usenet and email free for members.
Then I got an ISP with dialup. Had an Apache server locally, local web
cashing, and cached DNS, and did dial out on demand.
Eventually DSL.  Big upgrade to AT Wireless  (a short lived WISP before
DSL was well implemented. but was shut down
as a 'business decision'.) so back to DSL but with better implementation
and a different ISP.

Never used cable based ISP, but did get a pretty good DSL in Houston.
Still the WISP connection was better, but AT decided
they wanted out of that business and just halted it.

By the time we left Houston, I had put another 5K into computers.
(Justified it to myself and the wife as 'continuing education')

Then we moved to TN.  Dialup was sometimes up to 2400 baud, only Sprint
worked where we lived (on a Girl Scout Camp
between Ashland City and Pleasant View on Sycamore Creek.  Combination of
bad wires from the phone company.

Went through a couple of iterations of satellite connections (expensive
bandwidth, horrible latency, and service that doesn't care)
'remotely' (I learned about using ubiquiti routers to be my own WISP for
camp!).

Now my wife and I are retired in Clarksville with the 'cheap' internet
service from the power company.  Has been quite reliable through
CDELightband.  A couple of issues but mostly my own in-house wifi
problems.  I haven't broken down and gone pro-sumer
still 'cheaping out' with retail level components.

I should know better by now!  Cheaper isn't always more inexpensive over
the life span.

Not cheap but still I spend $1K/yr on learning for me.  Just to make me
feel good about myself.

Economically, the $5K in the 70-80s was more than the $5K in the 80-90s or
time since.  Or the money since then.
We moved to TN in 2005, at camp till 2018.  Still having fun and frustrated
with my tech as usual <>.

BTW latest 'fights' are internal wifi issues, and getting my 3D printer in
shape again.  I also play with some
in-home IoT gadgets.  Just keeping life interesting but the only pressure
these days is what I put on me.

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:39 PM Andrew Farnsworth  wrote:

> Ah the nostalgia... Sinclair ZX-80 with 1k RAM and no long term storage...
> oh, wait... a Tape Interface where you ran a separate tape machine manually
> with the audio out -> audio in on both the computer and the tape machine.
> Note machine, not drive.  In no way was that a drive :-). So much fun
> way back when.
>
> RAM and disk space are so abundant today that even compiling Hello World
> causes you to end up with a "massive" executable (> 64Kb) that would not
> even load in the memory of any computer prior to the mid-80s.
>
> I can buy (read that as already have bought a baker's dozen) a 32-bit
> microcontroller with camera module for <=$10 that has more RAM and
> processing power, and storage, let alone the other capabilities like io etc
> than anything from the early days that a person could afford (i.e. <= price
> of a new car).
>
> I have fun working with these and hope to be able to interest my young
> children in them and their capabilities as they mature.
>
> Oh yeah... a bunch of you probably don't know that I have a 5yr old girl
> and a 3 yr old boy...
>
> Andy F
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:30 PM Jack Coats  wrote:
>
>> And almost all of us carry a phone that rivaled or exceeds all but the
>> local I/O capabilities of the first mainframe I worked on!
>>
>> Life is a wonderful ride.  Just wish I could see what the next 70 years
>> would bring!
&g

Re: [nlug] Reminiscing

[Jack Coats]

And almost all of us carry a phone that rivaled or exceeds all but the
local I/O capabilities of the first mainframe I worked on!

Life is a wonderful ride.  Just wish I could see what the next 70 years
would bring!

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 3:20 PM Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> In 1976 my first computer was the Netronics Elf II, with the RCA 'COSMAC'
> 1802 processor.  It ran from a cheap 3.58 MHz TV color crystal and
> typically took 16 clock cycles to execute a two-byte instruction.  Long
> jump instructions that could address the full 64k address space were three
> bytes.  So figure perhaps 117,000 instructions/second.  It had 256 bytes of
> RAM and a Pixie chip for video output.  Input was a hex keypad with a
> load/run switch.  You could actually write a program that generated
> graphics that fit in the supplied memory.
>
> It was later upgraded to 7K of RAM, the 8th kilobyte never did work
> right.  I used it to expand the memory of our Datavision D3000 character
> generator at the TV station so we could display and update election
> results.  The graphic artist later gratefully told me it saved him two
> weeks of work, preparing for the election.
>
> Another wire-wrapped custom version of the 1802 computer served as our
> machine control system at the TV station for several years.  A single 4,800
> baud serial cable ran to local interfaces on VTRs, film projectors, slide
> projectors and the Ampex ACR-25B spot player.  Software was done in
> assembly, with source and destination cassette players.
>
> My first PC was probably assembled by Michael Dell, at PC Designs - it was
> a 10 MHz 286 with an incredible one megabyte of RAM.  Then the 30 MB CDC
> Wren drive was added and I was cooking with gas.
>
> Now I'm enjoying an 8 GB Pi 4 with its 500 GB external boot drive, both
> cheaper and vastly faster than those computers of earlier days.
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:42 PM Jack Coats  wrote:
>
>> Yea, to me anymore small 'control' computers are good fun.  And big
>> business for IoT and control systems.
>> I wanted to do control systems (CompSci major and ME minor in college)
>> but got sucked into doing busness
>> apps then systems on mainframes.  I started to get my own minicomputer
>> back in the day when the Altair 8800
>> came out (8 bit Intel 8080 processor, 256bytes static ram, front panel
>> switches to start with, in a kit from MITS)
>> but I eventually maxed it out before moving to a 'big' z-80.  Used full
>> size floppies, 64K ram (another kit from
>> Processor Technology, also their 3P+S interface board kit), a TV
>> Typeriter 2 (kit from Southwest Technology in San Antonio),
>> Heathkit Printer, even a DCHayes modem (300 baud!), but it all worked.  A
>> friend and I put in a 2K EPROM
>> board to put a bios in (Intel Intelec compatible) so we could run CP/M on
>> it.  Eventually had a AI Cybernetics speach
>> synthesizer board, and a Cercia Circuit Cellar camera.  Eventually more
>> computers using the
>> serial cable based $25Network (that did surprisingly well with little
>> overhead).
>>
>> Yea, memories.  Now I have a pi or 3 around, some gathering dust, some
>> being useful and more toys
>> than I have time to deal with.
>>
>> So goes life.  Thanks for bringing back some memories.
>>
>> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:12 PM 'Michael Chaney' via NLUG <
>> nlug-talk@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> My younger son is at Alabama working on an EE degree (you may remember
>>> him as a baby 20 years ago when the wife and kids showed up to a meeting).
>>> Last semester he had a class on microcontrollers, and they specifically
>>> used PIC series microcontrollers.  He (and I) bought this evaluation
>>> package that comes with four different microcontrollers:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/microchip-technology/DM330013-2/2802029?s=N4IgTCBcDaILYEsDGAnA9gZwC7INYAIEEQBdAXyA
>>>
>>> They're interesting because the package contains the CPU along with some
>>> amount of RAM and a little bit of flash.  All of the external pins on the
>>> package are IO pins, except for the required power and clock pins.  The IO
>>> pins are remappable and come in a couple of flavors - some can do analog
>>> and pretty much all can be digital.  They have a couple of built in UARTs.
>>> The whole thing is amazing.
>>>
>>> For the 16-bit versions the RAM tends to be a few K, program size is
>>> 32-128K or so.  It's a Harvard architecture where the program space and
>>> data space are separated, so the program reads from flash.  With that much
>>> m

Re: [nlug] Reminiscing

[Jack Coats]

Yea, to me anymore small 'control' computers are good fun.  And big
business for IoT and control systems.
I wanted to do control systems (CompSci major and ME minor in college) but
got sucked into doing busness
apps then systems on mainframes.  I started to get my own minicomputer back
in the day when the Altair 8800
came out (8 bit Intel 8080 processor, 256bytes static ram, front panel
switches to start with, in a kit from MITS)
but I eventually maxed it out before moving to a 'big' z-80.  Used full
size floppies, 64K ram (another kit from
Processor Technology, also their 3P+S interface board kit), a TV
Typeriter 2 (kit from Southwest Technology in San Antonio),
Heathkit Printer, even a DCHayes modem (300 baud!), but it all worked.  A
friend and I put in a 2K EPROM
board to put a bios in (Intel Intelec compatible) so we could run CP/M on
it.  Eventually had a AI Cybernetics speach
synthesizer board, and a Cercia Circuit Cellar camera.  Eventually more
computers using the
serial cable based $25Network (that did surprisingly well with little
overhead).

Yea, memories.  Now I have a pi or 3 around, some gathering dust, some
being useful and more toys
than I have time to deal with.

So goes life.  Thanks for bringing back some memories.

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 1:12 PM 'Michael Chaney' via NLUG <
nlug-talk@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> My younger son is at Alabama working on an EE degree (you may remember him
> as a baby 20 years ago when the wife and kids showed up to a meeting).
> Last semester he had a class on microcontrollers, and they specifically
> used PIC series microcontrollers.  He (and I) bought this evaluation
> package that comes with four different microcontrollers:
>
>
> https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/microchip-technology/DM330013-2/2802029?s=N4IgTCBcDaILYEsDGAnA9gZwC7INYAIEEQBdAXyA
>
> They're interesting because the package contains the CPU along with some
> amount of RAM and a little bit of flash.  All of the external pins on the
> package are IO pins, except for the required power and clock pins.  The IO
> pins are remappable and come in a couple of flavors - some can do analog
> and pretty much all can be digital.  They have a couple of built in UARTs.
> The whole thing is amazing.
>
> For the 16-bit versions the RAM tends to be a few K, program size is
> 32-128K or so.  It's a Harvard architecture where the program space and
> data space are separated, so the program reads from flash.  With that much
> memory loading in libraries is iffy at best.  I tend to write simple code
> to handle cases that a library function would normally handle.  It's the
> opposite of modern programming where we go find a "module" or whatever to
> handle every little task.
>
> Their programs are simple.  The big one at the end was a clock with a few
> buttons for setting the time and alarm.
>
> I've done hardware interfacing like this on an R-Pi, but there's something
> just very different when doing it on a simple 16-bit RISCy cpu with limited
> everything.  I had to go all out because they were still doing some remote
> learning and the kids weren't really getting it.
>
> I also have an arduino which is awesome, but someone has written code for
> pretty much everything already and I'm not convinced that's the way for
> kids to learn.  It's a great way to get them involved, but the stuff I've
> seen is the equivalent of putting together legos.  If you learn it's a
> side-effect.  Of course, you can still write all your own code and all that
> - just have to convince kids to do that if they want to learn.
>
> Anyway, it was interesting getting back to the basics.  And kind of
> cathartic to actually care about data and program space usage.
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 8:52 AM Jack Coats  wrote:
>
>> Welcome to 'data creep'.  There was the day that we counted bytes of code
>> in a program or data, now we just think in megabytes.
>>
>> IMHO, as we have more capability, we use it, sometimes squander it.
>>
>>   One of my history examples, I came up with a cost analysis of having
>> datacenters and terminals being cheaper than the gen1 (or 2) PCs on
>> everyone's desk at the major company where I was working.  My boss told me
>> to trash the study because we were going to use desktops no matter what the
>> facts were. ... Such is life.
>>
>>   Since then the costs have changed and individual computers are now
>> cheaper.  Mainframes still have their place in real production (huge
>> amounts of I/O or certain problems in engineering that can't be easily
>> functionally decomposed for multiple small processors, etc, but their value
>> for the more common efforts are dwindling as smaller/distributed machines
>> make more sense on a case by case basis.
>>

Re: [nlug] Reminiscing

[Jack Coats]

Welcome to 'data creep'.  There was the day that we counted bytes of code
in a program or data, now we just think in megabytes.

IMHO, as we have more capability, we use it, sometimes squander it.

  One of my history examples, I came up with a cost analysis of having
datacenters and terminals being cheaper than the gen1 (or 2) PCs on
everyone's desk at the major company where I was working.  My boss told me
to trash the study because we were going to use desktops no matter what the
facts were. ... Such is life.

  Since then the costs have changed and individual computers are now
cheaper.  Mainframes still have their place in real production (huge
amounts of I/O or certain problems in engineering that can't be easily
functionally decomposed for multiple small processors, etc, but their value
for the more common efforts are dwindling as smaller/distributed machines
make more sense on a case by case basis.

Just my thoughts. ... I'm retired, so my opinion doesn't matter much to
anyone but me. <>


On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:42 PM Andrew Farnsworth  wrote:

> Does anyone else remember when the trial size storage offered by companies
> like google, backblaze, etc was actually useful?  Today it is still around
> the same 10 Gb size, but that is much less useful today than it was 20
> years ago :-).  Back then, it was HUGE.  Today it is so small I'm not even
> willing to give it a trial as my personal NAS has 3 orders of magnitude
> more storage.  10 Gb would let me store one small VM virtual drive.
>
> More as it happens...
>
> Andy F
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Re: [nlug] Home router help...

[Jack Coats]

I have the latest firmware on my router.  And I have no clue about internal
memory use.

Good catch on the NAT state tables, Gibson.




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> You may be hitting a limit of the NAT in the router (basically the size of
> the state table), and not the number of IP addresses that it can handle. I
> use pfSense at home with two access points with over 50 devices at times
> and everything works well. My guess is the Asus RT-AX92U may be running out
> of ability to keep up with all the states of traffic in and out, but a
> modern device like this shouldn't hit a limit with just 50 devices. That
> being said, if one or more of those 50 items act as a server with
> connections coming in from outside, you could be filling up a state table
> with all the incoming connections.
> No promises on this, but it is a possibility. Look and see if the Asus
> RT-AX92U has an newer firmware or there are any notes about number of
> supported devices.
>
> Gibson Prichard
> Nashville, TN
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> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 12:08 PM Jack Coats  wrote:
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>> I wonder if there is a limit on how many IP's that a router can handle.
>> I have just under 50 devices and my Asus RT-AX92U as a main router with 2
>> RT-AC68U as AIMesh nodes.
>> We stream a tv and a couple of computers, a TV from Amazon (fire tv
>> stick) with several misc devices, mainly Wyze devices.
>> Any suggestions of routers that can carry that?   My wan is a fiber
>> coming in but delivered as ethernet. 250Mb sync that normally comes in
>> close to that nicely.
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Re: [nlug] Home router help...

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I remember old Wyze terminals. ... Not the Wyse devices I am talking about
are IOT thingines, plugs, cameras, light bulbs, vaccums,  etc inexpensive
vs the competition, that only seem to run in their private sandbox with
very few 'outside' interfaces.  Sadly most of it is cloud based.

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[nlug] Home router help...

[Jack Coats]

I wonder if there is a limit on how many IP's that a router can handle.  I
have just under 50 devices and my Asus RT-AX92U as a main router with 2
RT-AC68U as AIMesh nodes.
We stream a tv and a couple of computers, a TV from Amazon (fire tv stick)
with several misc devices, mainly Wyze devices.
Any suggestions of routers that can carry that?   My wan is a fiber coming
in but delivered as ethernet. 250Mb sync that normally comes in close to
that nicely.

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Re: [nlug] costly Pixel phone (4a) repair / Linux Pine phone

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Pixel 2 I have been using is not unsupported by Google, so I upgraded to a
$150 used Pixel3 recently.  Little pain (I hate changing phones).  But still
there is the $$.  I do run old hardware and am 'cheap', but for me, I think
I get reasonable value for the $$.  I know if I had to do a 'broken phone'
replacement, I am SOL and just get another phone.  I just means I keep a
little extra cash around to pay for my own 'warrantee' anyway.
Just the way I think, warrantee and any insurance is always a policy that
we hope 'they' win on any insurance bet.

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> I'd like to know if anyone on this list has had any success with the Pine
> phone or another Linux phone, if you're able to make calls, send texts and
> emails and do internet searches.  Wondering if I can at least use it as a
> back up phone.
>
> (If u own a Pixel) I replaced my old (still working) phone with a Pixel 4a
> in November for $350 and a $5 case.  I dropped it recently.  The exterior
> is in mint condition, but the LCD quit working, which costs $299; the
> repair guy said they're the worst for repairs.  It's supposedly
> under warranty, but I'm waiting from B for the warranty contact info.  If
> my old phone wasn't still working I'd be in a potentially costly situation
> of having to buy another phone till this gets repaired (a more rugged case
> may be appropriate for the Pixel phone).
>
> Thanks to NLUG, I'm saving $600/month vs. being in Microsoft penitentiary
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Re: [nlug] Electronically Sending Faxes

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I have used efax.com for years.  Free to receive unless you do much.  A few
pages a month is free.


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> Oregon, blind, is in need of faxing medical forms (e.g. including SSN) to a
> provider. Is there an online service, or phone app, that y'all would trust
> to get it faxed?
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Re: [nlug] Found some old pics - LinuxWorld 1999 - Day 3 - 08/10/1999

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I wasn't there... but thanks for rekindling some ol memories!

On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 10:33 AM mjbtn  wrote:
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> Don't know that any one of you even cares to look at any of these, but here 
> they are nonethe less! :) I recall at the time thinking, "Wow! All this just 
> for Linux?!??". Of course, the next day, 08/11/1999, was the day Red Hat's 
> IPO hit Wall Street. Because I had taken so many shots on Day 3, I didn't 
> bother lugging around my trusty Kodak DC260 digital camera (a bit of a brick 
> by today's standards). Most unfortunate that I didn't, though, as the place 
> was swarming all around the Red Hat booth. And, I missed a great photo op 
> with Linus himself over by the Hard Hat Linux /  MontaVista Software booth. 
> In looking back through these now, over 2 decades later, what has come out of 
> the Linux world is nothing short of mindboggling! We went back to LinuxWorld 
> 2003 at Macone Center in San Francisco, and the massively expanded grandeur 
> of that 2003 event over the 1999 one proved beyond a shadow that Linux's ship 
> had indeed arrived big time. At any length, I thought that someone besides 
> just me might enjoy some blasts from the past, that in truth, really doesn't 
> seem like so long ago. Time flies when you're having fun, eh?! :)
>
> https://lychee.raider.net/#16073546086429
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Re: [nlug] last night's online meeting recorded?

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Has anyone done a real server type app on a small cluster of Pi's?
Seems like it might be enough power for something that doesn't need a
huge computer or storage server. ... Just thinking out loud.

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> Sorry, it could have been recorded, but I didn't think about doing that. (Do 
> we have a server to host recorded meetings?) The session was not too 
> directed. More the four of us talking about their use of Linux. I'll have to 
> remember that next month.
>
> Topics included: video editing software, reasons to use VM's, flatpacks, and 
> particulars issues with student use of a Raspberry Pi for a course. Probably 
> a few more topics I'm not recalling right off.
>
> Paul
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:10 AM Michael L  wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>> I always learned at least something at each meeting listening to those more 
>> knowledgeable than myself.  Is the online session recorded?
>>
>> With NLUG's help, Linux saved us $36000 the last two years and I still feel 
>> like a beginner.  Amazingly two of our non-tech pc users, ages 77 and 81 are 
>> on Ubuntu instead of Windows which keeps my hair on my head and my blood 
>> pressure down.
>>
>> Thanks to everyone who's participated in keeping NLUG going over the years.
>>   M
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Re: replacing KDE; was Re: [nlug] oh, now I've really borked it...

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"Now, if we could just make GUI a true client/server system where the
presentation work is done on the desktop side."

like the Plan9 OS from Bell Labs back when... (they had 'storage
servers', 'compute servers', and 'display servers'.  they could run
all on separate machines or all on the same one or multiple of any of
them in any combination.  Display servers were basically the desktop
component.  At least that is my memory...

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Re: [nlug] oh, now I've really borked it...

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Condolences from the retired cheap seats... If you must rebuild it
sounds like multiple virtual machines or at least some kind of
containers.  But I have been out of the fray so long, don't take
anything I say at face value, ...

Take care ol friends.

On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 4:11 PM Howard White  wrote:
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> Dealing with servers (virtual guests) upon which KDE was installed as
> the GUI.  I'm going through an exercise to try to remove KDE and replace
> it, reluctantly, with GNOME.
>
> yum erase kde-runtime seems to have done that deed nicely.
>
> First attempt yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop" got all manner of
> conflicts between libvirt-libs and the existing (old) libvirt-client
>
> yum upgrade libvirt_client
>
> yum groupinstall "GNOME Desktop" got passed that
>
> Did I mention that I'm working remotely, trying to balance between
> PuTTY, RDP and vshpere (oh yeah, it's ESXi 5.1)?
>
> I did get to the boot screen on the guest console to accept the license
> and finish the configuration.  I am able to connect to "some part of"
> gnome via RDP but I don't have an "Activity" or "Applications" widget in
> the top left corner.  Gnome Classic??  No obvious way to log out of that
> session.
>
> Now on reboot, the console goes through the boot sequence, displays the
> CentOS 7 GUI login splash but not the actual login process.  Am not able
> to get to (what I know as session manager) select which Gnome or 
>
> I am able to ssh into the system no problems.  I am also able to connect
> via RDP but it's not useable.
>
> WhaddidIdo this time?
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[nlug] CDs/DVDs

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All gone.  They were taken away earlier this afternoion.

If you were interested, sorry.

As we downsize more, I may have equipment available. ... Take care.

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[nlug] CDs/DVDs

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Over the years I have quite an extensive collection of un-used CD, CD-R,
DVD, and DVD-R media.
No DVD-RAM left.

My wife is on a 'downsize everything' kick as we move (slowly!) to our
retirement home, and I hate to throw 'good stuff'(tm) into the trash.

The basics are, I need to find hopefully a good home for lots of this where
it will actually be used.

If you have a need, let me know.  Pickup is in Sango area of Clarksville
(southern, about 3  miles from I24 or so.

Direct email preferred, no need to clutter the list unless someone wants to
haul most of it to a meetup for distribution.
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Re: [nlug] Win7 replacement (for 77 yr.old)?

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We just got through upgrading a Win7 machine to win10, just using the free
upgrade available from M$.
This little notebook happened to have enough oomph to handle the 'free
upgrade' win10 home that M$ has for all win7 and win8 users.
If it didn't work, it would have been just a bit more eWaste(tm).

I have done basic Ubuntu type installs on almost any machine for upgrading
old-slow to basic working machines or even slow servers.
Others will have a suggestion for the best current distribution for this
purpose.

Let us know what you do!

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> I have to deliver a replacement system for a Win7 machine sometime
> tomorrow for a 77 year old computer hater who also hates change.  I've been
> dreading this, feeling a little against the wall, but I believe I'll see
> good results with Linux (instead of Win10).  I have a Win8 / Ubuntu machine
> with (I think) 4GB RAM to spare, worth upgrading to 8GB RAM?  I also have a
> powerful Win7 / Ubuntu machine with 8GB RAM available.  Or should I go get
> something with 12GB RAM?  Just for websurfing and data entry.
>
> I myself have been on Ubuntu for 18 months so I suppose Kubuntu 18.04
> should be my first attempt at a Win7 look alike.  Others that show up in
> top 5 search are ZorinOS, ChaletOS, Robolinux, LinuxMint.  I've not
> customized a desktop, but supposedly it's not too hard if necessary.  So if
> anyone knows of any pitfalls to avoid or has found other good Win7
> replacements, I'm all ears.
>
> ALSO, equally important, I want to have my list of selling points ready in
> case needed to head off expected complaints:
> 1.  FOSS - free helps
> 2.  LTS- less change
> *3.  Multi-user- easier to administrate by logging in remotely without
> interrupting user activity vs. Windows being single user OS*
> 4.  no Windows updates needed
> 5.  Freedom from Microsoft penitentiary extortion racket (see you later
> Bill Gates)
>
>  Thank you most kindly
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Re: [nlug] It is not safe to swim in the internet pool...

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I guess my tin-foil-hat doesn't quite cover this... Ugh.

On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 4:30 PM Howard White  wrote:

> Good grief:
>
> <
> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/router-network-isolation-broken-by-covert-data-exfiltration/?fbclid=IwAR1BtH9HuE2MN-wjmX6ASPps9Io3QJfHFgj0hBjDj-xSYUbgPHru25MyXYA
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Re: [nlug] Looking for some hardware

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For something small, think of an Intel NANO.  Possibly to small, but
powerful.It is not a tower, but another little box, like an external
DVD writer.

Some of my elderly (yes, there are folks older than even me ) locally
have been buying all-in-one's and loving it.  No 'cup holder' out front for
cd/dvd,
but often have them built in (side mounted).  Locally Walmart is their
level of tech.

I know Dell makes them (with or without touch screen), all have keyboards
and mouse.

Let us know what you decide.


On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 10:54 AM jonnyX  wrote:

> Howdy,
>
> Figured I'd try here first before going the Craigslist/eBay/Newegg/Amazon
> route.
>
> I'm looking for some x86 hardware. My mom's Windows desktop is currently
> dead. She's going to be on her back for the next several months, since she
> broke her ankle pretty badly last week. I'm going to be paying most of the
> medical bills, so I'm trying to keep upgrade expenses low (preferably
> non-existent). I've got most of the hardware I need, here's what I'm
> looking for:
>
> Case - mini tower or equivalent preferred, big enough for two hdds and one
> dvd/blu-ray drive, plus some extra cooling fans; something small enough for
> a woman in her 70s to move around if necessary, but large enough to stay
> cool inside; her current desktop case apparently did not cool well.
>
> Power supply - 350+ watts.
>
> Monitor - 17+ inches, DVI or HDMI; larger is better for older eyes.
>
> Email me privately if you've got anything I'm looking for, let me know how
> much, and I'm happy to pick up items where ever & when ever convenient
> (except for Tuesday, July 2nd through Thursday, July 4th).
>
> Thanks,
>
> ~~Dru / jonnyX
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Re: [nlug] Re: May 14th Meeting

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I can't be there, but if no one makes a presentation... try a 'go
around the table' and get a list of projects folks have.  Work or
personal.
Almost everyone has one or two pet projects cooking at one stage or another.

They can be simple, like configuring log scanners, or setting up small
notification lists.
Larger things like choosing and implementing backups and
disaster/business recovery plans, building and migrating to a new data
center or service provider.
or anything.

Even vi vs emacs wars (or whatever)

Just a few thoughts.

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> I don’t. Just a meet and eat if nobody else steps up.
> Jackie
>
> Jackie Moore
>
> On May 13, 2019, at 10:22 AM, Vincent Brown  
> wrote:
>
> Do we have a topic (or topic suggestion) for this meeting yet. This backup 
> location came up after I had cancelled the Meetup event. It's a little 
> last-minute but we could create a new event on Meetup for East Nashville 
> Beerworks.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2019 at 10:02:29 PM UTC-5, Jackie Moore wrote:
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>> We will be meeting at East Nashville Beer Works at 6:30. The address is 320 
>> E Trinity Ln, Nashville, TN 37207. Hope to see everyone there!
>> Jackie
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Re: [nlug] Electronics repair

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Personally, without looking at it, it is probably dead.  I had a UPS
do the same thing, but it was after a lightening strike.  I opened it
up and all the 'downstream circuits from the bank of MOV's that absorb
voltages surges, were a crispy black or very brown.  i only toasted
2/3 of the MOVs, but the charge circuit was still blown.

Water damage is different, but any electrolytic capacitors and
possibly the transformer would need to be replaced. Water soaking them
is not a good thing, even if they seem dryed out, water seeps into
very tiny places.

Just my thoughts.

I have purchased UPSes from refurbups.com and they come with fresh
batteries. ... no hook there, just a satisfied customer, ... that is
basically cheap.

On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 11:25 AM Tilghman Lesher  wrote:
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> Anybody have a source for a tinkerer who does electronics repair?
> Last weekend, during the torrential downpour, I had a UPS in the
> basement go through a flood.  Miraculously, it seems to still be fine
> in terms of running off the battery, but the thing won't charge.  I
> tried some rudimentary cleaning of the parts which were underwater,
> using isopropyl alcohol and a soft bristled brush, but I'm beyond my
> expertise at this point.
>
> It's honestly probably either a 5 minute repair or a 5-minute
> diagnosis that it's dead, but I lack the expertise to do that.
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Re: [nlug] Linux Distro recommendation for public kiosk

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Sorry, I havenot read all the responses.  This may be duplicating others.

Back 'in the day', one option of the Linux Terminal Project was to
basically allow machines to be turned off and boot from a network
server keeping no local data.  Thus cookies, local files, etc, all go
away and only use what comes from the server.  At that time it was
lightweight enough to run from RAM an not need writable swap.  But
then again, that is when mainframes still walked the earth.  Anyway,
it might be a reasonable thing to look back into LTP.

At that time it was all 'free'/open source.  Not with paid gateway to
the 'good stuff'.

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 3:34 PM Paul Boniol  wrote:
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> Many years back, I was looking for similar.  Hopefully there is something 
> good (and free) out there now.  What I ended up doing was using 
> Mandrake/Mandriva and doing a lot of taking away, locking down, etc.
>
> If you want to go that route, I can see if I still have my notes.  They may 
> have been thrown away in the great purge, when I was moved across campus.  
> And there have been just a few changes since then. lol :)
>
> Hopefully one of the other solutions will work for you.
>
> Paul
>
> On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 5:59 PM Chris McQuistion  
> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a pre-built, easy to deploy Linux OS 
>> designed for installation on some public computers to just give them a web 
>> browser and not much else?
>>
>> Preferably, something that doesn't keep cookies and will just let people 
>> refresh the session would be good.
>>
>> I've done some Googling but haven't been thrilled with what I've found so 
>> far.  Some of the "free" distributions actually don't do automatic updates 
>> unless you pay or have other limitations on the "free" version.
>>
>> Anyone got a recommendation?
>>
>> Chris
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[nlug] Free Zigbee V1 Smart Outlets

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Sorry for the sales postings...

I have 7 of these smart outlets available on ebay.  If you want them
and will pick them up,
let me know and they are yours (unless they sell first).  If you use
this link, I get charged nothing
but would like to get them to a good home.  If you email me directly,
that is OK too.

http://ebay.us/F1u5cj?cmpnId=5338273189

They work with Iris that is closing down at then end of March.  They
use ZigBee v1.0 and the current version is v1.2
If you are into electronics and want to snag them to hack on them,
they would make a
fun project.

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[nlug] Re: Last Call - 2 DLT tape changers, 1 200 DVD changer

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Gone now... Thanks to all...

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> SCSI.
>
> Free to pick them up.
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Re: [nlug] Last Call - 2 DLT tape changers, 1 200 DVD changer

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Ok, no dumpster for now!

On Sun, Feb 17, 2019 at 10:55 PM Michael L  wrote:
>
> I must have missed the first call. I'm interested. More info please, 
> including pick up location, Etc.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 17, 2019, 22:52 Jack Coats >
>> SCSI.
>>
>> Free to pick them up.
>>
>> Let me know, by end of Tuesday or they go away for good.
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[nlug] Last Call - 2 DLT tape changers, 1 200 DVD changer

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SCSI.

Free to pick them up.

Let me know, by end of Tuesday or they go away for good.

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Re: [nlug] Watching [3D] grass grow

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If you use a raspberry pi per printer with octoprint and a camera, it
can record and/or provide external access to a view of the printer.
It has an interesting feature of waiting till the end of each layer
and moving the head out of the way and taking a picture for great
build videos.  It can work with the small wifi enabled pies.  And can
also handle a queue of things to be printed.

See Octoprint.org ... it is an open source project.  You can
roll-your-own or use their full kits.

There are other similar options.  Astroprint.com has a similar product
that is a branch of an early version of octoprint.  It too can support
a camera.

Probably a better answer (or more robust) is MatterControl by
MatterHackers.com ... well supported software.




On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 3:10 PM Curt Lundgren  wrote:
>
> We're setting up a few 3D printers at the college, and one of the needs is a 
> publicly-viewable camera where students can see if their print is working or 
> if it has stopped for some reason.  We'll point a standard IP security camera 
> at the printer[s] - students should be able to view the camera with a phone 
> or computer, on or off campus.
>
> It seems silly (though maybe it's not) to set up a YouTube livestream, but 
> what I'd like to do is set up a Linux server to stream to viewers.  Many of 
> these 3D prints take over 24 hours to complete, and it's like watching grass 
> grow, so I don't expect a huge surge in viewers.  Perhaps we'll use a 
> password for access.
>
> Does anyone have experience with something like this, or should I go with 
> YouTube or some other streaming service?
>
> Thanks,
> Curt Lundgren
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[nlug] backups to B2

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If interested look at
https://www.qualeed.com/en/qbackup/blog/backblaze-b2/
Qualeed does charge for their software (one time charge) after 15 days
if you want to keep using it.
Backblaze B2 service gives a free 10G of storage, and if you need more
it is $0.005/G/Month.

You can also backup/restore to your local drives, NAS or other open
storage providers.

Documentation is good to OK.  Not great, but it does work.

Still, if you are interested in an offsite, encrypted on your end
only, backup software and storage provider (not the same guys),
check them out.

Just a customer, no other ties.
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Re: [nlug] Hard Drives

[Jack Coats]

I still miss dirtcheapdrives.com ... they used to be the goats meow 


On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 2:39 PM, Michael L  wrote:
> http://bhphotovideo.com/ is where I bought mine
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 14:39 Michael L  wrote:
>>
>> I've been using these (bought from bhphotovidep.com) for a few months.  I
>> like them better than the Seagate Expansion which I used for a long time.
>>
>> I suggest some rubber feet to make them lay flat, harder to knock over.
>>   M
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018, 13:36 Kevin Hart  wrote:
>>>
>>> And perfect timing.  If you don't like WD, heres another option on sale.
>>> Seagate drive.  Have 0 experience with these, just saw them on sale.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-Photography/dp/B01HD6ZLQ6
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Kevin
>>>
>>> "You can't turn a pig into a thoroughbred,
>>> but if you spend enough time and money,
>>> you sure can make a mighty fast pig"
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:13 PM Allen Minix  wrote:

 Three reasons I'll never go with WD:

 1.  Of all the years I've dealt with enterprise class gear, whether
 server, NAS or SAN, I've seen everything from Hitachis to Seagate and even 
 a
 few rot gut IBM DeskStar's.  Never have I seen WD drives in use.

 2.  When destroying old drives, most any other brand required either a
 BFH or a drill press to properly destroy the drive.  WD took a light drop
 from about three feet to get that lovely broken glass sound from the
 innards.

 3.  Every WD drive I've ever owned has failed within a 1 to 2 year
 period.  YMMV.


 On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:54 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT)
  wrote:
>
> I've had really bad luck with Western Digital, to the point where I
> will not willingly buy one of their drives again.
>
> I have had drives fail literally a few weeks after the warranty
> expired, and there was no way to recover anything.
>
> Steer clear of them if at all possible.
>
> -Alex Smith, Server+, Network+, MCP, MTA
>
> " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured,
> the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
> irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
> warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
> damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
> episode "The Drumhead"
> - Alex Smith
> - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Mark J. Bailey 
> wrote:
>>
>> More times than not, a failed external drive has failed because of USB
>> piece and not the drive itself. I’ve busted many a “failed” USB drive 
>> out of
>> its external USB chassis and it would work fine directly connected with
>> SATA.
>>
>>
>>
>> But more to your point, I’ve had decent luck with the more recent
>> Seagate  Backup+  Desk units (black chassis with a blue “bottom” side). 
>> I’ve
>> got several that I’ve had in use for at least a couple of years, and, 
>> knock
>> on wood, they’re still kicking. BYMMV
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com  On
>> Behalf Of Paul Boniol
>> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 3:12 PM
>> To: NLUG 
>> Subject: [nlug] Hard Drives
>>
>>
>>
>> Considering buying an external hard drive, primary use would be DVR
>> (from Mythbuntu).  Any preferences between Western Digital and Segate?  
>> I've
>> seen about as many reviews saying "this drive failed after x months, 
>> lost my
>> data, had to spend hours on the phone, and I had to pay shipping to get 
>> it
>> replaced under warranty" on both.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been considering a new computer as the existing is many years old
>> now, and had some issues turning it on occasionally when it gets turned 
>> off.
>> (So power supply likely starting to go.)
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
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Re: [nlug] Hard Drives

[Jack Coats]

Like UPS batteries that aren't monitored, I expect to replace most
hard drives every 3 years, like it or not.  Some last MUCH longer,
some not-so-much.

Over the years WD has been good, then very bad, now, pretty good again.
Seagate was the golden child at one time, then they sent out a
horrible batch, not OK again.

Right now everyone is trying to get away from round-brown-and-and
spinning, and even more so long-brown-and-on-spools.  Still tapes have
their place, hard drives are pretty good, solid stat drives are
getting better (remember 'bubble memory' that was to replace
everything?), and now the 'magic cloud' (don't get me started).

To understand what really happens to drives and what happens as they
age, give a serious read to the blog from backblaze.com.  It is all
round-brown-and-spinning and a lot of it.  But they mostly have opened
their informatoin without to much bias.


On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 2:03 PM, Paul Tabolinsky  wrote:
> I do'know but every WD HDD is still here and working except one suspected to
> fail soon.
> It makes a little funny noise.  It's been three years ago it started the
> noise thing.
> It was data backed up and I shutdown the system since I bought a new PC that
> contains a WD drive. I've had good luck with WD.
> tabo
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:36 PM, Kevin Hart  wrote:
>>
>> And perfect timing.  If you don't like WD, heres another option on sale.
>> Seagate drive.  Have 0 experience with these, just saw them on sale.
>>
>>
>> https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-External-Desktop-Storage-Photography/dp/B01HD6ZLQ6
>>
>> --
>> -Kevin
>>
>> "You can't turn a pig into a thoroughbred,
>> but if you spend enough time and money,
>> you sure can make a mighty fast pig"
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:13 PM Allen Minix  wrote:
>>>
>>> Three reasons I'll never go with WD:
>>>
>>> 1.  Of all the years I've dealt with enterprise class gear, whether
>>> server, NAS or SAN, I've seen everything from Hitachis to Seagate and even a
>>> few rot gut IBM DeskStar's.  Never have I seen WD drives in use.
>>>
>>> 2.  When destroying old drives, most any other brand required either a
>>> BFH or a drill press to properly destroy the drive.  WD took a light drop
>>> from about three feet to get that lovely broken glass sound from the
>>> innards.
>>>
>>> 3.  Every WD drive I've ever owned has failed within a 1 to 2 year
>>> period.  YMMV.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 4:54 PM, Alex Smith (K4RNT)
>>>  wrote:

 I've had really bad luck with Western Digital, to the point where I will
 not willingly buy one of their drives again.

 I have had drives fail literally a few weeks after the warranty expired,
 and there was no way to recover anything.

 Steer clear of them if at all possible.

 -Alex Smith, Server+, Network+, MCP, MTA

 " 'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured,
 the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all
 irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as wisdom and
 warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
 damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
 episode "The Drumhead"
 - Alex Smith
 - Kent, Washington (metropolitan Seattle area)

 On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Mark J. Bailey  wrote:
>
> More times than not, a failed external drive has failed because of USB
> piece and not the drive itself. I’ve busted many a “failed” USB drive out 
> of
> its external USB chassis and it would work fine directly connected with
> SATA.
>
>
>
> But more to your point, I’ve had decent luck with the more recent
> Seagate  Backup+  Desk units (black chassis with a blue “bottom” side). 
> I’ve
> got several that I’ve had in use for at least a couple of years, and, 
> knock
> on wood, they’re still kicking. BYMMV
>
>
>
> From: nlug-talk@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
> Of Paul Boniol
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2018 3:12 PM
> To: NLUG 
> Subject: [nlug] Hard Drives
>
>
>
> Considering buying an external hard drive, primary use would be DVR
> (from Mythbuntu).  Any preferences between Western Digital and Segate?  
> I've
> seen about as many reviews saying "this drive failed after x months, lost 
> my
> data, had to spend hours on the phone, and I had to pay shipping to get it
> replaced under warranty" on both.
>
>
>
> I've been considering a new computer as the existing is many years old
> now, and had some issues turning it on occasionally when it gets turned 
> off.
> (So power supply likely starting to go.)
>
>
>
> Paul
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Re: [nlug] Store/Expert

[Jack Coats]

Let us know what you need.  No store I know of, but as a group, we are
often able to help or recommend.


On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 9:25 PM, Daniel Bender  wrote:
> Hey, guys,
>  Is there any place here in middle Tennessee where a Linux store is at,
> or where a guy with some Linux expertise lives?  I live in Shelbyville, so
> the area I'm talking about would be the region where the towns of Lynchburg,
> Shelbyville, and Tullahoma are situated.  I'd even be happy if there was
> some place like this in Murfreesboro.  Thanks for any replies,
>
> Danny
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Re: [nlug] LTO6 / BaFe? / Bacula, Amanda / tar.gz

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This is a general answer that addresses many of your points, but not all...

After doing DR and dealing with early LTO's in my career:

1.  Good quality, not necessarily expensive, tapes are worth their weight
in gold.
Tapes failing, loosing user data, is both expensive and horrible for the
customer and your reputation.
Tapes have a limited lifetime (number of cycles, number of years/months,
etc) that is shorter
than many want to imagine.  Warranties only cover media cost at best, not
the data or your time,
but they indicate how much the manufacturer believes in the media they are
providing.  Still
handle the media well (watch storage and transportation methods and
temperatures).

2.  Not having a tape library will work you to death, but it can, and has,
been done successfully.

3.  Software is important, but no matter the cost, understand the software
you have.
Use it regularly and test your backups.  Don't be afraid to change
software, but you
may have significant $$ expense when you do, so expect to have your
decision challenged.

My suggestion is do a small DR backup, then use it to do a bare metal
restore.    It NEVER goes by the book,
This is WHY you must truly understand your backup software.

I was known to do this several times until it worked smoothly.  Many folks
thought I was nuts, but
it allowed me to sleep at night.

4.  I found it VERY helpful to have a bound, paper notebook, and do an
excruciatingly detail log
while doing the backups, AND doing the restores.

It allows for you to do your own postmortem, to define and refine your
processes.

This makes the next time much easier.

I reviewed and re-wrote the notes (to ensure continuity, completeness, and
readability), eventually turning them into a 'procedures' or 'best
practices' book I used for me.
I found it helpful and made sure I or co-workers didn't miss a step.

5.  You might want to use different software for daily backups vs DR
backups.  There are differences on how
you access and used the tapes/data.  It is possible to use the same
backups, but it was more difficult/took longer
for me when I used the same software.

These are just my suggestions after 15 years of doing backups and disaster
recovery (starting my career
with 2400 ft 256bpi 7 track tapes, then 9 track using: 800, 1600 and 6250
bpi tapes eventually, to 8mm tapes, to DLT, to LTO 1, and LTO 2))
.
They all worked and were state of the art at their time of life.  They all
have problems.  There is no silver bullet.

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Re: [nlug] Your next million...

[Jack Coats]

Actually, It wouldn't supprise me it the Tesla Model 3 didn't have
'downward cameras' to allow continuously taking pictures of the road
to do this automagically 'in a future software relase'. 

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Greg Donald  wrote:
> Waze has pothole detection and reporting already and they say they are
> working towards reporting the data to local governments.  The problem
> is there are a lot of local governments and most don't have anything
> like web APIs to automate the reporting.
>
> Maybe a shame app to list the counties by pothole count.
>
> A Cadillac will probably report less potholes than a Camry so it would
> for sure need user confirmation and manual reporting in there.
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 7:08 PM Jack Coats  wrote:
>>
>> OK, here is a 'free' idea (I want to use it)... build an app that will
>> detect the GPS location of the chugholes you hit as you drive.
>> My thought is there should also be a 'chughole button', to report one
>> you didn't hit.
>>
>> In TN, TDOT and my county (Cheatham) have places to report chugholes
>> so they can be fixed.
>>
>> If it could take a picture of the hole (or one before or after the
>> car) to allow help in reporting as an option and double checking
>> would be nice.
>>
>> Possibly just recording all this, till you could review it while not
>> driving (or on your 'puter) before officially reporting would be good
>> too.
>>
>> ... Just a thought.  Keep us in mind when you make your windfall and
>> support NLUG (beer and pizza are always apprecited) 
>>
>> If you decide to do it, I would like to help test it.
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[nlug] Your next million...

[Jack Coats]

OK, here is a 'free' idea (I want to use it)... build an app that will
detect the GPS location of the chugholes you hit as you drive.
My thought is there should also be a 'chughole button', to report one
you didn't hit.

In TN, TDOT and my county (Cheatham) have places to report chugholes
so they can be fixed.

If it could take a picture of the hole (or one before or after the
car) to allow help in reporting as an option and double checking
would be nice.

Possibly just recording all this, till you could review it while not
driving (or on your 'puter) before officially reporting would be good
too.

... Just a thought.  Keep us in mind when you make your windfall and
support NLUG (beer and pizza are always apprecited) 

If you decide to do it, I would like to help test it.

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Re: [nlug] another day, another security oops

[Jack Coats]

Ugh

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Re: [nlug] Cellular hotspot issue resolved

[Jack Coats]

I had to call Consumer Cellular to have it enabled on my phone.
I use it so seldom, I figured they might have it shut down by default.
When I was asking about it I did offer that I understand that I might
have to pay extra for extra data use (their cap is low, but so is my use),
but for the first time in years I went over the 1G (for under $10/mo) and
itcost $19 for 3G, that I probably won't use up this month.  That is data
alone.  My normal bill counting everything is normallu under $30/mo.
BUt then again I am retired and cheap.

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:05 AM, Greg Donald  wrote:

> I've been using Google Fi for just over a year now.  Really pleased with
> it.
>
> $20/month for cellular service and then data is $10/GB, no hidden
> fees.  Any data after 6GBs is free, including hot spotting.  You get a
> pro-rated credit down to the penny on unused data every month for the
> previous month.  Stock version of the latest Android with no adware
> and monthly security updates.  Hybrid cellular across multiple
> providers, 5 bars of signal most anywhere I go.  No reason to ever go
> back to Verizon or Sprint or AT  Just got the new Pixel 2 recently,
> very nice phone.
>
> Here's a referral link that will make both of us $20 if you decide to
> use it:  https://g.co/fi/r/T4K6VT  Or https://fi.google.com/ if not.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:05 AM, John F. Eldredge 
> wrote:
> > After the recent NLUG meeting, I called Verizon Tech Support, and they
> > changed a server-side setting on my account, allowing me to resume
> > occasionally using my phone as a WiFi hotspot. Apparently, they decided
> to
> > disable this feature on their phones until a given customer calls in and
> > complains.
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[nlug] Knock Knock Someone home?

[Jack Coats]

If figure this email group is depricated, but was wondering of some old
hats are still here...

I have a Windows 7 problem/oppertunity.

My wife was given 8 computers with Win7 nicely running.

How can I make a clone of these, so that if one gets trashed, I can restore
it (assume worst case, bare metal restore).

I prefer opensource or low cost (it is comeing from my pocket).

Thanks ol'friend.

... Jack Coats


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Re: [nlug] your tax dollars at work - against you

[Jack Coats]

One of the problems of passing a 2000+page bill without anyone reading it
other than staffers during preparation.

This isn't the first time such travesties get through under the guise of
efficiency.

Now is time to get on the horn (email, in person) with your US House of Rep
Congressperson and Senators to start
lobbying for the next 'adjustment' to this new law.  If you can get others
as ticked as we feel, then something can
be done.  If not... life goes on and we go further under the bus.



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> Again linking a favorite news source
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>  s-passes-cloud-act-hidden-in-budget-spending-bill/>
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Re: [nlug] Some reasons I won't buy bitcoin

[Jack Coats]

Really high volume merchants have always been able to 'negotiate' rates.
Most mom shops are pretty much stuck.

When I was a partner in a retail company, we got Amex, and the rates were
different depending on if you needed the money tomorrow, in a few days, or
if you could wait a business week.  It went from 5.5% to 3% back then if my
memory is correct.  MC/Visa were less, and very dependant on volume.  But
all this is from memory over 20 years ago, so reality might be different.

Square now charges roughly 2.5% and Paypal is similar.

Getting away from checks is a good thing for most small businesses, but
there
can be charge card fraud they get stuck with.  The charge for 'check
garantee'
insurance can be pretty steep, sometimes higher than charge than credit
cards.

Still, if you want to help local small business, pay cash.

As an aside, Walmart runs so much that years ago they purchased a bank that
was part
of the MC/Visa system so they could keep down their costs and keep the bank
side of the charges.  But such is life if your organization can justify the
overhead.




On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 8:12 AM, Tilghman Lesher 
wrote:

> My understanding is that Discover Card launched with the promise of
> merchants only needing to pay 1.5% (half that of Mastercard and Visa).
> American Express's fees were actually higher, but the purpose of that
> card is an elite status symbol, and their users generally have higher
> bills.
>
> Since launch, the percentage paid by each merchant is now negotiated,
> and may be less for merchants with higher volume.
>
> https://www.valuepenguin.com/what-credit-card-processing-fees-costs
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 10:10 PM, Csaba Toth 
> wrote:
> > This is interesting info:
> > https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/15/17017374/coinbase-
> cryptocurrency-bitcoin-ether-unauthorized-charges
> > I ended up here: https://twitter.com/coinbase/status/964316171934711808
> >
> > This could make sense, it can be just an innocent technical interference.
> > However the the crypto currencies would in general "take the cheese" of
> the
> > credit card companies (VISA, Mastercard, Amex, ...) in the long run.
> > Therefore it could be their interest to sabotage it if they can. They
> skim
> > off "only" ~3% off of credit card transactions, but that's so much money
> in
> > the end that it's even hard to fathom.
> >
> > Now, someone mentioned cash back cards. As a customer you don't directly
> > face that 3%. The merchant faces it, and when you go to a gas station
> here
> > in California, if you pay by credit card the gas is at least 10 cents
> more
> > expensive than cash or debit (I don't remember of such in Tennessee, so
> when
> > I first faced this I was like WTF?). Well, it makes a lot of sense from
> the
> > merchant's point of view. They don't want to swallow that 3%, so they
> defer
> > it to you. The cash-back programs are basically tools to make credit
> cards
> > more appealing so the purchasing power put more pressure on the merchants
> > (the other reason for cash backs are simple market race between the
> > providers). Amex is often more asshole with smaller merchants and can
> have
> > higher rate than 3%.
> >
> > I often play with the dream to own a credit card company, which would
> charge
> > 1% instead of 3%. That would be still tremendous amount of money (surely
> > enough for everything needed to keep an infrastructure running, 3% is
> just
> > an agreement across all of those institutes), but obviously I would not
> live
> > long, because it's too much money for VISA, MasterCard, Amex, ... (all
> > charging 3%) to loose. I'm pretty sure I'd die in a surprise freak
> accident
> > for some reason. That's all for conspiration theories.
> >
> > Now, crypto currency is not without price, it has transaction price as
> well
> > which is not even a percentage of the sale value, and can be ridiculously
> > high if someone wants a transaction to finish soon, or the sale price is
> > low.
> > I hope I'm not a luddite when I said that BitCoin is a "dinosaur".
> Multiple
> > ways to make it perform slightly better, still very far from the volume
> the
> > bigs can handle...
> > I'm truly waiting for a next generation currency which can be 100x
> better in
> > all aspects, learning form the past.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Greg Donald  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Richard Thomas 
> >> wrote:
> >> > I never thought I'd see such techno-luddism come from this mailing
> list.
> >>
> >> Think again!
> >>
> >> > I'm
> >> > not going to do any kind of pitch but if you're interested in tech to
> >> > any
> >> > degree,
> >>
> >> Nope, not even a little.
> >>
> >> > you owe it to yourself to check out what's happening in the
> >> > crypto-currency space (and I don't just mean all the bad BS).
> >> >
> >> > rich
> >>
> >>
> >> 

Re: [nlug] Free Training: Blockchain 4biz

[Jack Coats]

Interesting.

On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 10:17 PM, Michael L 
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> (Haven't gotten to look into this myself / 4 anyone interested)  See the
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Re: [nlug] Re: Some reasons I won't buy bitcoin

[Jack Coats]

If you want a way to not allow 3rd parties to 'skim as much', as 3% off, I
suggest getting a 'cash back' charge card.  Discover give 1% back plus 5%
on 'special items' at different times of the year, ... Sams's Club card
gives 1% on everything, 1.5% at restaurants, 3% on gas, pretty much
everywhere (from Synchrony Bank?),  Fidelity Investments has 2% cash back
if you use their services.  Others are out there, these are ones I know
about off the top of my head (some details may vary from my reality).

No, it does not 'cut them out', but it does get you some of your money
back.

It is a 80-20 solution as we all tilt for the 'no fee for anything'
solution! 

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 10:23 PM, Csaba Toth <csaba.toth...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I really want a digital currency where VISA or other third parties don't
> skim 3% off (which is outrageous in my opinion, but that's what everyone
> else settles, like PayPal, Stripe, Square, etc), and also privacy
> preserving.
> Putting everything out on a ledger for everyone to see is on one hand
> beneficial for verification, but also makes privacy protection hard. That's
> why the purse systems are so complex. Like you'd have to buy a new purse
> every single time you make a purchase...
> I don't see how Bitcoin can compete with wide spread payments systems as
> it is now. The "mining" infrastructure consume unreasonable amount of
> energy, the transactions take way too long, and as the demand spikes even
> the transaction fees can be high, especially if someone wants the
> transaction to execute in less than a few days (WTF!), or would like to buy
> a lollipop for $3 value. I know we can monkey patch it and there are
> multiple ways to make a Frankenstein which may work *somewhat* better
> (multiple directions are in the making), but at least it gave enough
> ammunition for the future currencies to correct pitfalls.
>
> Anyway, here is reading from the skeptic side which worth the time:
> https://hackernoon.com/ten-years-in-nobody-has-come-up-
> with-a-use-case-for-blockchain-ee98c180100
>
> Cheers!
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>
>> Outside of cryptocurrencies, what are the other uses of blockchain
>> technology?  Is this an area folks like us should look into?
>> There is a lot of hype about it, but nothing more than folks
>> regurgitating the name bitcoin as a mantra that I can find.
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Howard White <hwh...@vcch.com> wrote:
>> > Jack brings up and interesting point.  Many countries with instability,
>> i.e.
>> > Venezuela, Zimbabwe and others, the risk of Bitcoin is less than the
>> risk of
>> > the local currencies.  Something of a moral hazard in the bigger scheme
>> of
>> > things.
>> >
>> > Howard
>> >
>> >
>> > On 01/27/2018 06:43 PM, Jack Coats wrote:
>> >>
>> >> IMHO, if bitcoin is your base currency, it's value doesn't matter as
>> >> much as if it is a secondary currency (which it is).   Most people
>> >> deal with $$, Euro, pounds sterling, or whatever as their base
>> >> currency, and 'trade' in other currencies (bitcoin, stocks, bonds,
>> >> foreign currency, etc)
>> >>
>> >> When dealing with secondary currencies (bitcoin, stocks, bonds, gold
>> >> bars, diamonds, foreign country currencies, or any other
>> >> 'investment'), never 'bet more than you can afford to loose'.
>> >>
>> >> Just my thoughts.
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>> The Four Boxes of Liberty - "There are four boxes to be used in the
>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that
>> order."
>> "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart"... Colossians 3:23
>> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
>> Albert Einstein
>> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." -
>> Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
>> "The most dangerous phrase in the language is "We’ve always done it
>> this way"-- Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
>> "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I
>> learn." - Ben Franklin
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Re: [nlug] Re: Some reasons I won't buy bitcoin

[Jack Coats]

Outside of cryptocurrencies, what are the other uses of blockchain
technology?  Is this an area folks like us should look into?
There is a lot of hype about it, but nothing more than folks
regurgitating the name bitcoin as a mantra that I can find.

On Sat, Jan 27, 2018 at 8:50 PM, Howard White <hwh...@vcch.com> wrote:
> Jack brings up and interesting point.  Many countries with instability, i.e.
> Venezuela, Zimbabwe and others, the risk of Bitcoin is less than the risk of
> the local currencies.  Something of a moral hazard in the bigger scheme of
> things.
>
> Howard
>
>
> On 01/27/2018 06:43 PM, Jack Coats wrote:
>>
>> IMHO, if bitcoin is your base currency, it's value doesn't matter as
>> much as if it is a secondary currency (which it is).   Most people
>> deal with $$, Euro, pounds sterling, or whatever as their base
>> currency, and 'trade' in other currencies (bitcoin, stocks, bonds,
>> foreign currency, etc)
>>
>> When dealing with secondary currencies (bitcoin, stocks, bonds, gold
>> bars, diamonds, foreign country currencies, or any other
>> 'investment'), never 'bet more than you can afford to loose'.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>>
>



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defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that
order."
"Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart"... Colossians 3:23
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Albert Einstein
"You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." -
Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
"The most dangerous phrase in the language is "We’ve always done it
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Re: [nlug] Re: Some reasons I won't buy bitcoin

[Jack Coats]

IMHO, if bitcoin is your base currency, it's value doesn't matter as
much as if it is a secondary currency (which it is).   Most people
deal with $$, Euro, pounds sterling, or whatever as their base
currency, and 'trade' in other currencies (bitcoin, stocks, bonds,
foreign currency, etc)

When dealing with secondary currencies (bitcoin, stocks, bonds, gold
bars, diamonds, foreign country currencies, or any other
'investment'), never 'bet more than you can afford to loose'.

Just my thoughts.

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Re: [nlug] [OT] Gmail question

[Jack Coats]

I get email like jack+li...@coats.org and jack+li...@coats.org and
both come to j...@coats.org and I just filter for the specific list.
Lists that are nice enough to have stable subject lines like prefixed
using [listname] also make filtering easy.

Lots of other filtering available...and yes coats.org email goes
directly to google.

I hope this helps.

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> I have several email addresses that I use for different purposes. I am
> considering routing all of them through my Gmail account for
> automatic-filtering purposes. However, I have a question about this. Can a
> Gmail filter be based partly upon the address the message was originally
> sent to, so that a message sent to one email account can be routed
> differently than a similar message sent to another account? I have searched
> online, and can't find a clear answer to this question.
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Re: [nlug] Expanding internet access in my house

[Jack Coats]

Pix available... Sorry it took so long.

Service entrance
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dfUvK4YWSAc-UU1zfcoBB6-VmSJ9KW-VrQ

Cable service box -- lower right
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1821n6pjMtCXEkOm6mcl9jL6MdWVGMVrMug

Internet service box - upper right
https://drive.google.com/open?id=14-KLGy0qtCJ7ciHQPX_IgD6oKm7yisLgvw

Internet service box detail pix
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DpfBkPfzTaCgRwMFSITyPpF6FUaVQu82bw
  Only 1 and 6 flash.  Don't remember which is incoming WAN and which
is to my router.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1an4RGV_If3MizXWvhbWaU_eLRl994DbWkA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1uuNdZGm0tLIwv3IuqiTesppCM8xiwIG83A
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f0XQPtv92B_bgY2-GuV8Ln2anaPXMC4slA/view?usp=sharing
and link showing wasp nest covered with wasp...

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:36 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
> My ISP does offer Gig, but not in my monetary bandwidth 
> I went out to get some pix, and opened one of the boxes, and had a
> wasp nest.  Need to get rid of that and I will get a few pix.
>
> I am guessing my 'best solution' is to do a 'inside the garage' box
> for router and connections.  I really like the WIFI router where it is
> (kind of the
> center of the house), so it might wind up being an 'endpoint' for a
> 'border router'.
>
> I understand Tilghman's comments about max power via small wires, that
> is a main reason for a in-house 'wiring cabinet' where I would put a
> small UPS as well.  Plus, having wired access in the garage could be
> nice for some 'who knows' projects in the future.
>
> Thanks everyone, for their help and interest!
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Gibson Prichard <gib...@prichard.tv> wrote:
>>  You are correct gigabit ethernet uses all four pairs but nothing in his
>> post said anything about gigabit coming from his Internet service provider.
>> If you simply take one of the cat5 cables and use it to provide power to a
>> router mounted externally that will solve his problem.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:24 Tilghman Lesher <tilgh...@meg.abyt.es> wrote:
>>>
>>> Beg pardon, but I thought that the rule of Ethernet only using 2 pairs
>>> (4 wires) was no longer true.  Specifically, anything that does
>>> Gigabit Ethernet uses all 4 pairs (8 wires), and PoE is still
>>> compatible because the signal is transmitted via a differential (which
>>> is also why it no longer matters if wire polarity is swapped).
>>>
>>> Is this incorrect?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gibson Prichard <gib...@prichard.tv>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Basically, if you have RJ45-terminated wires going inside the house,
>>> > ethernet only uses 4 of the 8 wires in the cable. Use the other 4 to
>>> > send
>>> > power out from inside to a router or switch which happens to be on the
>>> > outside of your house.
>>> > If the outside box is too small to hold a router or switch, you may need
>>> > to
>>> > replace it with a larger enclosure. Assuming you have the right to place
>>> > a
>>> > new box outside where these lines terminate that would be large enough
>>> > to
>>> > hold a switch or router, you could do that. Amazon (and others) have
>>> > lots of
>>> > weatherproof enclosures from which to choose. You could use one of the
>>> > ethernet lines to provide power, either as a traditional barrel-plug or
>>> > as a
>>> > POE connection. A simple barrel-plug-to RJ45 adapter, like this
>>> >
>>> > https://www.amazon.com/BeElion-Passive-Injector-Splitter-Connector/dp/B01HMNJHII
>>> > or
>>> >
>>> > https://www.amazon.com/Waterproof-Injector-Splitter-5-52-1mm-Ethernet/dp/B01MS9K6EX
>>> > would provide you with the means to send power outside from an outlet
>>> > over
>>> > one of the ethernet cables (whether or not that particular wire was
>>> > being
>>> > used to carry data).
>>> >
>>> > Does this make sense?
>>> >
>>> > Gibson Prichard
>>> > Nashville, TN
>>> > gib...@prichard.tv
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Looking for some input here...
>>> >>
>>> >> My house is pre-wired for ethernet.  All the connections are
>>> >> terminated in a box on the outside of my house.  My ISP provides an
>>> >> ethernet connection to that box, but there is little room and no
>>&g

Re: [nlug] Expanding internet access in my house

[Jack Coats]

My ISP does offer Gig, but not in my monetary bandwidth 
I went out to get some pix, and opened one of the boxes, and had a
wasp nest.  Need to get rid of that and I will get a few pix.

I am guessing my 'best solution' is to do a 'inside the garage' box
for router and connections.  I really like the WIFI router where it is
(kind of the
center of the house), so it might wind up being an 'endpoint' for a
'border router'.

I understand Tilghman's comments about max power via small wires, that
is a main reason for a in-house 'wiring cabinet' where I would put a
small UPS as well.  Plus, having wired access in the garage could be
nice for some 'who knows' projects in the future.

Thanks everyone, for their help and interest!

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Gibson Prichard <gib...@prichard.tv> wrote:
>  You are correct gigabit ethernet uses all four pairs but nothing in his
> post said anything about gigabit coming from his Internet service provider.
> If you simply take one of the cat5 cables and use it to provide power to a
> router mounted externally that will solve his problem.
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:24 Tilghman Lesher <tilgh...@meg.abyt.es> wrote:
>>
>> Beg pardon, but I thought that the rule of Ethernet only using 2 pairs
>> (4 wires) was no longer true.  Specifically, anything that does
>> Gigabit Ethernet uses all 4 pairs (8 wires), and PoE is still
>> compatible because the signal is transmitted via a differential (which
>> is also why it no longer matters if wire polarity is swapped).
>>
>> Is this incorrect?
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gibson Prichard <gib...@prichard.tv>
>> wrote:
>> > Basically, if you have RJ45-terminated wires going inside the house,
>> > ethernet only uses 4 of the 8 wires in the cable. Use the other 4 to
>> > send
>> > power out from inside to a router or switch which happens to be on the
>> > outside of your house.
>> > If the outside box is too small to hold a router or switch, you may need
>> > to
>> > replace it with a larger enclosure. Assuming you have the right to place
>> > a
>> > new box outside where these lines terminate that would be large enough
>> > to
>> > hold a switch or router, you could do that. Amazon (and others) have
>> > lots of
>> > weatherproof enclosures from which to choose. You could use one of the
>> > ethernet lines to provide power, either as a traditional barrel-plug or
>> > as a
>> > POE connection. A simple barrel-plug-to RJ45 adapter, like this
>> >
>> > https://www.amazon.com/BeElion-Passive-Injector-Splitter-Connector/dp/B01HMNJHII
>> > or
>> >
>> > https://www.amazon.com/Waterproof-Injector-Splitter-5-52-1mm-Ethernet/dp/B01MS9K6EX
>> > would provide you with the means to send power outside from an outlet
>> > over
>> > one of the ethernet cables (whether or not that particular wire was
>> > being
>> > used to carry data).
>> >
>> > Does this make sense?
>> >
>> > Gibson Prichard
>> > Nashville, TN
>> > gib...@prichard.tv
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Looking for some input here...
>> >>
>> >> My house is pre-wired for ethernet.  All the connections are
>> >> terminated in a box on the outside of my house.  My ISP provides an
>> >> ethernet connection to that box, but there is little room and no
>> >> power.
>> >> What is a reasonable way to get my other ethernet connections 'lit' ?
>> >> There is no place where two of the ethernet connections terminate near
>> >> each other inside the house (so I could put my router there).
>> >>
>> >> I am open to suggestions or 'best practices'.
>> >>
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Re: [nlug] Expanding internet access in my house

[Jack Coats]

I know about the 4 pair for gig and 2 pair for 100Mbit.  I didn't know
that PoE was compatible and thought it required dedicated wires, but
that just shows how much I know I don't know!

On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 11:24 AM, Tilghman Lesher <tilgh...@meg.abyt.es> wrote:
> Beg pardon, but I thought that the rule of Ethernet only using 2 pairs
> (4 wires) was no longer true.  Specifically, anything that does
> Gigabit Ethernet uses all 4 pairs (8 wires), and PoE is still
> compatible because the signal is transmitted via a differential (which
> is also why it no longer matters if wire polarity is swapped).
>
> Is this incorrect?
>
> On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gibson Prichard <gib...@prichard.tv> wrote:
>> Basically, if you have RJ45-terminated wires going inside the house,
>> ethernet only uses 4 of the 8 wires in the cable. Use the other 4 to send
>> power out from inside to a router or switch which happens to be on the
>> outside of your house.
>> If the outside box is too small to hold a router or switch, you may need to
>> replace it with a larger enclosure. Assuming you have the right to place a
>> new box outside where these lines terminate that would be large enough to
>> hold a switch or router, you could do that. Amazon (and others) have lots of
>> weatherproof enclosures from which to choose. You could use one of the
>> ethernet lines to provide power, either as a traditional barrel-plug or as a
>> POE connection. A simple barrel-plug-to RJ45 adapter, like this
>> https://www.amazon.com/BeElion-Passive-Injector-Splitter-Connector/dp/B01HMNJHII
>> or
>> https://www.amazon.com/Waterproof-Injector-Splitter-5-52-1mm-Ethernet/dp/B01MS9K6EX
>> would provide you with the means to send power outside from an outlet over
>> one of the ethernet cables (whether or not that particular wire was being
>> used to carry data).
>>
>> Does this make sense?
>>
>> Gibson Prichard
>> Nashville, TN
>> gib...@prichard.tv
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 7, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking for some input here...
>>>
>>> My house is pre-wired for ethernet.  All the connections are
>>> terminated in a box on the outside of my house.  My ISP provides an
>>> ethernet connection to that box, but there is little room and no
>>> power.
>>> What is a reasonable way to get my other ethernet connections 'lit' ?
>>> There is no place where two of the ethernet connections terminate near
>>> each other inside the house (so I could put my router there).
>>>
>>> I am open to suggestions or 'best practices'.
>>>
>>> --
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[nlug] Expanding internet access in my house

[Jack Coats]

Looking for some input here...

My house is pre-wired for ethernet.  All the connections are
terminated in a box on the outside of my house.  My ISP provides an
ethernet connection to that box, but there is little room and no
power.
What is a reasonable way to get my other ethernet connections 'lit' ?
There is no place where two of the ethernet connections terminate near
each other inside the house (so I could put my router there).

I am open to suggestions or 'best practices'.

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Re: [nlug] VOIP only Android app?

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Thanks to Howard and Curt!  I'll give Zoiper a try...

On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Curt Lundgren <verif...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't know the answer to that one, but I will say I've had good luck with
> Zoiper as an IAX2 softphone.
>
> On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:03 AM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>>
>> We all tend to collect cell phones over time.  I would like to use my
>> old phones as VOIP only?  I have Android and a couple of old iPhones
>> available.
>>
>> For use around the house only is it possible to use these old phones as
>> VOIP?
>>
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[nlug] VOIP only Android app?

[Jack Coats]

We all tend to collect cell phones over time.  I would like to use my
old phones as VOIP only?  I have Android and a couple of old iPhones
available.

For use around the house only is it possible to use these old phones as VOIP?

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Re: [nlug] Network Cabling Infrastructure Design Sr. Engineer || Rhode island , RI

[Jack Coats]

IMHO, 'local' should be within 'reasonable commute' distance.  30 to
50 miles outside Davidson county should cover a fairly reasonable
distance to be able to work without getting temporary housing in the
area.

Just my thoughts.  I am not active working, so take my comment with a
block of salt.



On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 4:17 PM, John F. Eldredge  wrote:
> How broadly should we define "local"? Would a job opening in Jackson, TN, or
> Chattanooga, be too far away? Should we restrict it to jobs in counties
> adjoining Davidson County? A lot of tech firms are opening offices in
> Franklin and Brentwood.
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>
> 
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 3:52 PM Kent Perrier 
> wrote:
> No, I think job posts should be welcome, if they are relevant to the list. A
> job post should have something to do with Linux and either be a local job or
> a remote position. This post fulfills none of these requirements.
>
> My $0.02.
>
> Kent
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:46 PM, John F. Eldredge 
> wrote:
>
> Is the consensus that job-opening posts should be banned?
>
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>
> 
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM Kent Perrier 
> wrote:
> For cable pulling contract jobs in Rhode Island?
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:43 PM, John F. Eldredge 
> wrote:
>
> I approved the message, since we have allowed other job opening posts in the
> past.
>
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>
> 
> On Wednesday, June 28, 2017 at 3:40 PM Kent Perrier 
> wrote:
> someone needs to be banned from the mailing list...
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:16 PM, NEHA GUPTA  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Here is our Implementing partner Requirement.
>
> Once you feel free please call me or Email me @ neh...@nityo.com
>
>
>
> Role : Network Cabling Infrastructure Design Sr. Engineer
>
> Location : Rhode island , RI
>
> Duration of contract: 12 months
>
> Interview: Phone/ Skype
>
> Client : TCS(WWW.TCS.COM)
>
>
>
> Mandatory Technical Skills:
>
> Ability to communicate clearly, accurately and professionally, both verbally
> and in writing.
> Ability to work as a liaison with Plan/Run teams, managers, other employees,
> vendors and contractors at all levels.
> Proven ability to work independently with minimal supervision
> Ability to prioritize, complete and manage multiple large scale projects
> within scheduling guidelines.
> Must be able to function well in a fast paced team environment and handle
> multiple projects at the same time to meet scheduled deadlines
> Strong analytical skills for problem determination and resolution
> Ability to read and understand construction documents/drawings to support
> the cabling infrastructure for voice/data/electric/mechanical
> Knowledge of deploying network infrastructure cabling for large scale
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Re: [nlug] Re: OT: Win10 & OpenGL question

[Jack Coats]

I tried installing the latest Intel drivers, but it says it can't
install on my processor. ... Time to start looking into 'low cost'
gaming systems.  My only desktop is about 15 years old and has been
upgraded many times, so it is time for that desktop to be put to rest.

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 11:32 PM, Vincent Brown
<vincent.anthony.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jack,
> I just started using Cura a few weeks ago myself. I didn't have to install
> OpenGL but I'm also running it on a gaming tower that's built for 3D
> applications/ Virtual Reality.
> I really haven't messed with OpenGL. If you can dual-boot your laptop, Cura
> has a Linux version too. Trying it on a different OS may help determine if
> its a hardware limitation or a software dependency. Nice to know someone
> else in the group is 3D printing too.
>
>
> On Saturday, May 6, 2017 at 4:51:43 PM UTC-5, Jack Coats wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the off topic post, but I am having a problem.
>>
>> I lave a Lenovo T540p laptop Running Win 10, and want to run CURA or other
>> software that requires OpenGL.  Cura won't run at all and Simplify3D whines
>> because I don't have OpenGL 2.2 installed.
>>
>> Trying to do google search, and even going to OpenGL.org and the Intel
>> site (and MS since I run Win 10 and have latest updates), I still can't
>> figure out how to upgrade/install OpenGL.
>>
>> Suggestions?  Purchasing a new laptop is not the suggestion my budget can
>> stand hearing.
>>
>> TIA!
>>
>> --
>> ><> ... Jack
>>
>> The Four Boxes of Liberty - "There are four boxes to be used in the
>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart"... Colossians 3:23
>> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
>> Albert Einstein
>> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
>> Grace Hopper, USN
>> "The most dangerous phrase in the language is "We’ve always done it this
>> way"-- Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
>> "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." -
>> Ben Franklin
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Re: [nlug] OT: Win10 & OpenGL question

[Jack Coats]

They provide OpenGL 1.1 and nothing higher I can find.  Just looking for
something more!

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Csaba Toth <csaba.toth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ooops. In that case I'd also expect the Intel HD drivers to provide OpenGL
> support as well.
>
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>
>> Cura is a 3d printing chunk of software. t https://ultimaker.com/en/produ
>> cts/cura-software
>>
>> Also trying to use Simplify3D ... http://www.simplify3d.com
>>
>> ... No, I have an Intel HD 6000 not nVidia GeForce GT 730M.
>>
>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Csaba Toth <csaba.toth...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I assume CURA = CUDA
>>>
>>> Make sure you have the latest nVidia driver installed (as I can see you
>>> have NVIDIA GeForce GT 730M in it?) and that should provide the latest
>>> OpenGL drivers as well.
>>> Otherwise make sure that when you try to use CUDA it's not your
>>> integrated Intel HD which is active but the dGPU (discrete GPU - the GT
>>> 730M). The Optimus technology can switch between the integrated and the
>>> discrete GPUs to conserve energy.
>>>
>>> Another thing is what version of CUDA is supported by GT 730M or the
>>> other way: what is the latest CUDA you can use with that.
>>>
>>> This is not necessarily an easy thing on Linux either.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Sorry for the off topic post, but I am having a problem.
>>>>
>>>> I lave a Lenovo T540p laptop Running Win 10, and want to run CURA or
>>>> other software that requires OpenGL.  Cura won't run at all and Simplify3D
>>>> whines because I don't have OpenGL 2.2 installed.
>>>>
>>>> Trying to do google search, and even going to OpenGL.org and the Intel
>>>> site (and MS since I run Win 10 and have latest updates), I still can't
>>>> figure out how to upgrade/install OpenGL.
>>>>
>>>> Suggestions?  Purchasing a new laptop is not the suggestion my budget
>>>> can stand hearing.
>>>>
>>>> TIA!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ><> ... Jack
>>>>
>>>> The Four Boxes of Liberty - "There are four boxes to be used in the
>>>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>> "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart"... Colossians 3:23
>>>> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
>>>> Albert Einstein
>>>> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." -
>>>> Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
>>>> "The most dangerous phrase in the language is "We’ve always done it
>>>> this way"-- Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
>>>> "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I
>>>> learn." - Ben Franklin
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Re: [nlug] OT: Win10 & OpenGL question

[Jack Coats]

Cura is a 3d printing chunk of software. t
https://ultimaker.com/en/products/cura-software

Also trying to use Simplify3D ... http://www.simplify3d.com

... No, I have an Intel HD 6000 not nVidia GeForce GT 730M.

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Csaba Toth <csaba.toth...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I assume CURA = CUDA
>
> Make sure you have the latest nVidia driver installed (as I can see you
> have NVIDIA GeForce GT 730M in it?) and that should provide the latest
> OpenGL drivers as well.
> Otherwise make sure that when you try to use CUDA it's not your integrated
> Intel HD which is active but the dGPU (discrete GPU - the GT 730M). The
> Optimus technology can switch between the integrated and the discrete GPUs
> to conserve energy.
>
> Another thing is what version of CUDA is supported by GT 730M or the other
> way: what is the latest CUDA you can use with that.
>
> This is not necessarily an easy thing on Linux either.
>
>
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the off topic post, but I am having a problem.
>>
>> I lave a Lenovo T540p laptop Running Win 10, and want to run CURA or
>> other software that requires OpenGL.  Cura won't run at all and Simplify3D
>> whines because I don't have OpenGL 2.2 installed.
>>
>> Trying to do google search, and even going to OpenGL.org and the Intel
>> site (and MS since I run Win 10 and have latest updates), I still can't
>> figure out how to upgrade/install OpenGL.
>>
>> Suggestions?  Purchasing a new laptop is not the suggestion my budget can
>> stand hearing.
>>
>> TIA!
>>
>> --
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>>
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>> defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> "Whatever you do, work at it with all your heart"... Colossians 3:23
>> "Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
>> Albert Einstein
>> "You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
>> Grace Hopper, USN
>> "The most dangerous phrase in the language is "We’ve always done it this
>> way"-- Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
>> "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn."
>> - Ben Franklin
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"Anyone who has never made a mistake, has never tried anything new." -
Albert Einstein
"You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
Grace Hopper, USN
"The most dangerous phrase in the language is "We’ve always done it this
way"-- Admiral Grace Hopper, USN
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[nlug] OT: Win10 & OpenGL question

[Jack Coats]

Sorry for the off topic post, but I am having a problem.

I lave a Lenovo T540p laptop Running Win 10, and want to run CURA or other
software that requires OpenGL.  Cura won't run at all and Simplify3D whines
because I don't have OpenGL 2.2 installed.

Trying to do google search, and even going to OpenGL.org and the Intel site
(and MS since I run Win 10 and have latest updates), I still can't figure
out how to upgrade/install OpenGL.

Suggestions?  Purchasing a new laptop is not the suggestion my budget can
stand hearing.

TIA!

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Albert Einstein
"You don't manage people; you manage things. You lead people." - Admiral
Grace Hopper, USN
"The most dangerous phrase in the language is "We’ve always done it this
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Re: [nlug] yet more predictions for the future

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Jokers keep predicting the doom of low level everything.  In computers, the
only way to get a new architecture supported is for someone to get down and
become one with the bits.  Only if it is so complicated that only computers
can program computers will this style of prediction become right.  So far,
we are no where close.

The predictors will keep predicting.  They will be wrong again.

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Re: [nlug] Alexa programming?

[Jack Coats]

Thanks guys .. sounds like tomorrow's geek task!

On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Chris McQuistion <
chris.mcquist...@curreyingram.org> wrote:

> IFTTT (to monitor email and them trigger something else, like Alexa or
> Sonos) might be the way to go.
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 12, 2017, at 8:37 PM, Jack Coats <j...@coats.org> wrote:
>
> Anyone know how to program the Amazon Alexa software?
>
> I need something that will say a phrase I specify, when I receive some
> particular email.
>
> I have tried searching but haven't found something that works for me.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance!
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Re: [nlug] Re: NLUG Installfest - Saturday, Dec 3rd

[Jack Coats]

There will be plenty there I am sure, but if you have something and it is
easy to bring, please do bring it. No telling who forgot blank media, etc.
And having media or ISOs might keep someone from having to wait to download
it ...

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:02 PM, Vincent Brown <
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> Looking forward to it. Do we need to bring anything? Recent distro ISO
> files, blank DVDs, hardware, tools?
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[nlug] Rack or Cabinet to give away?

[Jack Coats]

I have a friend that could use a computer cabinet, you know full
height 19" rack style.
Even a full size rack would be helpful.

If you have one to give away or for cheap, let me know off list and
I'll make arrangements
to get it.

Thanks...

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Re: [nlug] home labs on the cheap

[Jack Coats]

Personally I like multiple monitors but single keyboard, but that
isn't always possible.

Cheapest way would be to set up headless machines and telnet/ssh into
them with or without runnin X.

I haven't done anything with RH in years, so no info here on that.
... Please keep us updated.

- I am trying to wean myself away from having a lab anymore.  Still
like hardware to much so it isn't going smoothly.
Several folks I know just deal with virtual machines and connect to
them as needed.

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> I find myself in need of some hardware that can run KVM so I can test/play
> with some tech here at home. Cost, noise and heat are concerns (I know, I
> know, pick two) so old real server class hardware isn't an option.
> Anyone built a home lab out of intel NUCs, mini-itx based systems, etc that
> work well? I will be running RHEL/RHEV on the hardware.
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[nlug] Backups - Again

[Jack Coats]

I know, no one likes backups.  Me either.

Most of us know and use some version of 3-2-1 backups.  At least 3 copies,
2 different media, 1 offsite.  I suggest a minimal modification.

Make at least one set of backups, air-gapped (aka, not online available).

Why?  Ransomware. - It it is already backed up and air-gapped BEFORE the
attack software is loaded, it should be retrievable.

Even some law enforcement in middle TN have paid ransomware to get their
data back, it is happening to the best of intention businesses, hospitals
and individuals.

I wish I had a good, cheap, permanent, archive solution for everyone, but
so far I don't.  So until we have a good solution backup early, an often,
test backups and recovery regularly, rotate media if you use tapes or
re-writable media - all media wears out.

- Tapes have an archive limit of about 5 years at best before bit drop
starts - even if exercised every 6 months or so, CD's aren't much better,
even Archival DVD's (like the Verbatim UltraLife Gold) have a life, but it
is longer than 5 years even if stored properly).

Still for today, 3-2-1+Airgap gets us by till we archive to stone tablets
stored in a geologically safe desert.


One study I found some real propeller heads might like:
http://site.produplicator.com/downloads/Manuals/China_Lake_Full_Report.pdf
- a new old report from Naval Researchers on archival data storage.
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Re: [nlug] Any geeks in NLUG?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Day

for those that care about the epistemology of phrases, it originated in a
congratulations to Margaret Thacher, per the complete oracle of all
knowledge, Wikipedia! 

Another one to go on my calendar along with Pi Day! ... (also July 10 -
Nikola Tesla birthday)

On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 5:18 PM, andrew mcelroy  wrote:

> http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg
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> On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:57 PM, Bob McClellan Jr
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> > On May 4, 2016, at 4:50 PM, Allen Minix  wrote:
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> > Picard was my favorite Star Wars character,
> >
> > 
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Michael Holley  >
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> >> Blast I messed that up. I meant to say:
> >>
> >> And unto you, May the Fourth with you be
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Re: [nlug] I need an explanation

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Yep, that is what we did as consultants.  Then after you paid us to fix
something, we resold the
same effort again and again to other clients! ... Great scam if you can
pull it off!

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:52 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> I think I'll go into that business!  As a consultant, of course.
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> A consultant borrows your watch, tells you the time, pockets the watch and
> sends you a bill.
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:47 PM, Howard White  wrote:
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>> So could someone explain to me the point of having a top-tier, fancy
>> software support contract with a certain unmentioned database vendor who
>> always responds to support requests by saying "We think this is an OS
>> vendor problem?"
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Re: [nlug] Recommendations for turn-by-turn navigation

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I use Waze but if going on trips where I could be out of cell range (it
happens more than you might imagine), I still
like the o'l Garmin stand alone units.  Many come with lifetime updates for
maps.  I tend to do that about once a
year and it is satisfactory.

But for day-to-day around town, Waze is my tool of choice. (Yes, yet
another Google acquisition)

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Re: [nlug] does anyone on this list not use Windows at all?

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I do mainly Linux.  Dual boot my laptop with WIN10 (I hate to waste a paid
for license).  I use windows mainly in support of others that won't move to
Linux (wife uses Win for work, they are a win only shop, I support several
'little old ladies/men' from church, they don't need the re-education
hassle, plus Win is what their grandkids know - that I get to 'un-fix' what
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Re: [nlug] Anyone use "Relax and Recovery" for backup

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I used to work with a guy that wrote the O'Reilly book on UNIX backup, W.
Curtis Preston.  He had some scripts for bare metal backups.
He used basic old unix tools (CPIO et al).

Still bare metal backups and restores tend to be a dark art.  Especially
since we put more
hardware configuration info into firmware/microcode than was done 'in the
old days'(tm).
Even different versions of microcode from the manufacturers in the 'same
hardware', can make a difference.

Yes, I have done it.  It wasn't easy.

Basics was: Cull out some additional storage you can boot from (not
original location).
Install the recovery OS on the additional storage, along with restore
software.
Restore into original hardware location.

Shut down system.  Remove the additional storage installed for the restore.

Bring up and verify the restore.

On an old VM system (IBM VM circa late '80s), we took tapes to a disaster
recovery center in Philadelphia from Houston (and tapes from salt mines in
Kansas).
Once we got there, 12 hours to restore and verify (over the restore - users
logged in to the network from Houston to verify their stuff worked!).  It
took 2 hours to re-format the disks with binary zeros after we shut down.)
The tapes were shipped back to Kansas, and the small crew (about 10 people,
operators, supervisors, and 4 system group folks) went to sleep and play
tourist.  We had a 48 hour shot and were done and out in 16.  Folks from
another data center showed up 24 hours into the time, and they never
believed we even went there.  Even though our users and the disaster data
center folks said we were there).  those guys never got a DR test to work.
It did take us 3 official tries to get it right the first time.  Like I
said, it isn't easy, but it can be done.

If you are going to do it.  I suggest treat it like any systems
development.  Design it.  Test it (till it works).  Update it regularly and
re-test it.  And even if nothing changes, have another group of techies,
take your documentation and test making it work without input from your
'backup/restore team'. ... Document it for not the common person off the
street, but a reasonable level techie to do it.

Your target audience for the restore test and documentation is they techie
geek that will have to make it work after you and your team are run over by
a bus.

One day I might be able to write an answer without turning it into a
historical diatribe... But it doesn't seem to work for me.

I hope this helps someone!  Jack



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> http://relax-and-recover.org/
>
> Just found this when I was looking for a "bare-metal" backup solution for
> our critical Linux servers (and I didn't want to pay $500/server to
> Unitrends for their bare-metal Linux backup.)
>
> We already have a full backup system in place for our virtual machines,
> but the physical servers just have filesystem-level backup, not really a
> "bare metal" backup that we could use to restore the entire system, in the
> case of a failed hard drive or something.
>
> I got Relax and Recover (REAR) installed on a little test CentOS box and
> it is a pretty sweet backup system.  I can do a full restore of the server
> from the original hard drive (via a separate bootloader that REAR installs)
> or by booting up from a CD that REAR creates whenever a backup job runs.
>
> I've done test restores onto the original hard disk, onto a brand new,
> slightly larger hard disk, and even restored the original physical machine
> backup onto a VMware virtual machine, which worked perfectly.
>
> Anyone else use this system?  Any input on it?  I'm just getting my feet
> wet with it, but I really like what I see.
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Re: [nlug] Whooiee! Backblaze's disk drive reliability report is out

[Jack Coats]

Paul,

You can go to the Backblaze.com site and read their blog.  Backblaze seems
to be a great low cost backup service.  They use Linux in their servers,
but there is not a Linux backup agent for them. ... Kind of a bummer.  (I
use Crashplan mainly because Backblaze doesn't do linux backups).

Their machines are open source (storage pods in their terms).  They keep
upgrading them, and they even design their own boxes, and they tell you how
to build your own.  The part they don't do is tell you exactly the software
they run on their units or provide open source clients.

They are also very open about their issues with drives.  They buy a lot of
them, and monitor them well.  They have a couple of boot drives (tend to be
smaller), and 45 (if I remember right) data drives.  Most of their drives
are 4 to 6T drives currently, and they continue retiring old drives, and
trying new ones.

Through their blog (free to subscribe to) they keep us updated on what they
have found to date.

Take care. ... Jack

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Re: [nlug] Whooiee! Backblaze's disk drive reliability report is out

[Jack Coats]

They have taken all the 1 and 2G drives out of service.  Replacing them
with mainly 4G some 6G drives.

Looks like Hitachi (or whatever it is called now) seem to have the
reliability lead!

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>
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Re: [nlug] Interesting article on using an inexpensive dongle to receive Russian weather satellite data

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neat use of software defined radio ... all the rage in certain hacking
circles, I understand.

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Re: [nlug] The essential guide to tech recruiter buzzwords

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More fodder for 'buzzword bingo'

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Re: [nlug] IDE, yay!

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Boy that is tempting, but I am trying to swear off - largely at wife's
insistence.  I have several old drives I want to take the magnets out of
that hasn't happened yet either.

Lots of luck in finding it a new home!

On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 9:30 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:

> My question for the group.  Is there any value in a new-in-box 80 GB
> Maxtor 7200 RPM IDE drive - complete with cable and interface?  I have
> dreams of someone trying to maintain a legacy system.
>
> My brother discovered this as he was cleaning house as part of their
> 5-year move from SoCal to Las Vegas (seems weird to me, too.)
>
> Anyone in NEED of a moderate capacity parallel drive?  Will there be a
> bidding war?  Or jeers?
>
> Curt
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[nlug] Linux Botnet

[Jack Coats]

How can you tell if you are owned as part of the Linux Botnet that has been
in the news?

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Re: [nlug] Input from a card reader

[Jack Coats]

I am to old... I thought you were talking 80 or (the smaller) 96 column
cards! ... Many of those readers put out EBCDIC instead of ASCII.
But as always, I digress into ancient history when mainframes roamed the
earth.

Now that I am past the 20th century in my thinking, what flavor of card
reader are you using?  How is it connected?

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:19 PM, Tilghman Lesher 
wrote:

> Sounds like what you're talking about is that the device is acting as
> a keyboard wedge -- that is, it's inserting a stream of characters
> into the keyboard buffer, probably through its device driver.  I have
> a magnetic card reader here that works in precisely the same way.
>
> The long and short of it is that your program would need to be running
> in the foreground; that is, having its stdin being supplied by the
> console.  Probably the best way to do this in Linux on boot would be
> to have your program run directly from init, associated with tty1, NOT
> background itself, and as long as the machine stays on that terminal
> device (and it should), your program should get all keyboard input
> directly from stdin (fd 0).
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Curt Lundgren  wrote:
> > I'm working on a program for a Raspberry Pi (one of the cool new ones
> with
> > the quad-core CPU and a gigabyte of RAM).  The program will run as a
> daemon
> > and this unit is headless - there's no keyboard plugged in.  Just a USB
> > Mifare HID card reader that outputs 8 hex characters when a card is in
> > proximity, then an 'Enter.'
> >
> > It's actually outputting scan codes, but I figure I can convert them to
> the
> > appropriate hex codes.
> >
> > I understand if I was running on the console, tapping a card on the
> reader
> > would cause the hex string to be input wherever my cursor is.  I'd love
> to
> > be able to redirect that input to my program, but I'm clueless on how
> that's
> > done.  My google-fu isn't working for me here either.
> >
> > The card reader does show up as /dev/input/event0 and if I cat that, it
> > outputs a bunch of binary stuff.  I can send it to a file and a hex dump
> of
> > part of that file looks like this:
> >
> > : eba1 e355 6032 0600 0400 0400 2700 0700  ...U`2..'...
> > 0010: eba1 e355 6032 0600 0100 0b00 0100   ...U`2..
> > 0020: eba1 e355 6032 0600      ...U`2..
> > 0030: eba1 e355 7251 0600 0400 0400 2700 0700  ...UrQ..'...
> > 0040: eba1 e355 7251 0600 0100 0b00    ...UrQ..
> > 0050: eba1 e355 7251 0600      ...UrQ..
> > 0060: eba1 e355 ad70 0600 0400 0400 1f00 0700  ...U.p..
> > 0070: eba1 e355 ad70 0600 0100 0300 0100   ...U.p..
> > 0080: eba1 e355 ad70 0600      ...U.p..
> > 0090: eba1 e355 e48f 0600 0400 0400 1f00 0700  ...U
> > 00a0: eba1 e355 e48f 0600 0100 0300    ...U
> > 00b0: eba1 e355 e48f 0600      ...U
> > 00c0: eba1 e355 26af 0600 0400 0400 2400 0700  ...U&...$...
> > 00d0: eba1 e355 26af 0600 0100 0800 0100   ...U&...
> > 00e0: eba1 e355 26af 0600      ...U&...
> > 00f0: eba1 e355 64ce 0600 0400 0400 2400 0700  ...Ud...$...
> > 0100: eba1 e355 64ce 0600 0100 0800    ...Ud...
> > 0110: eba1 e355 64ce 0600      ...Ud...
> >
> > Don't know if the formatting will display properly, but I've bolded a few
> > bytes.  The 0x27 is '0' and we see keypress and key release.  This is
> > followed by 0x1F (2) and 0x24 (7) - we march through the rest of the
> string
> > and finally arrive at the 0x28 Enter key:
> >
> > 0300: eba1 e355 3626 0800 0400 0400 2800 0700  ...U6&..(...
> > 0310: eba1 e355 3626 0800 0100 1c00 0100   ...U6&..
> > 0320: eba1 e355 3626 0800      ...U6&..
> > 0330: eba1 e355 9145 0800 0400 0400 2800 0700  ...U.E..(...
> > 0340: eba1 e355 9145 0800 0100 1c00    ...U.E..
> > 0350: eba1 e355 9145 0800      ...U.E..
> >
> > I don't pretend to understand scan codes, but 48 bytes for keypress and
> > another 48 for key release?  Seems excessive, but it can be handled.  The
> > hex 0x01 below the scan code is keypress, the 0x00 below the other scan
> > codes is key release.
> >
> > Questions:  Can this data be grabbed from some convenient place in the
> OS,
> > preferably as a nice 8-character string?  What does the OS do with HID
> input
> > when the Pi is running headless?  The current plan says there will never
> be
> > a real keyboard plugged in, just the card reader.
> >
> > Does anyone know what Linux does with input from an HID device when
> there's
> > no session running from the console?  Does it get intercepted by a login
> > screen?
> >
> > OS is Raspbian Wheezy, 

Re: [nlug] Input from a card reader

[Jack Coats]

At looking at specs, it looks like the communications with the card is
bi-directional.  It appears to need a key to get the 'sector' of
information back.
There seems to be some arduino scripts for doing this, but getting around
the getty like you and Tilghman are relating does seem to be the required
first step, or change the config so as to not run a getty on that tty port.
  But that is just me blue-skying from the sidelines.

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Re: [nlug] who control's dns for nlug.org Site has been redirected.

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Here is what I got from whois at icann.  Worst case, email
nlug@contactprivacy.com ...

Name: Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 0127381384
Organization: Contact Privacy Inc. Customer 0127381384
Mailing Address: 96 Mowat Ave, Toronto ON M6K3M1 CA
Phone: +1.4165385457
Ext:
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[nlug] 5 min security lecture for the uninitiated

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https://youtu.be/uM5UNy3ebKA

Easy to watch for 5 mins. while waiting for that next ISO to download

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[nlug] Fwd: [Discuss] Victory Re: Replacing AD with Samba4

[Jack Coats]

Thought some folks might be interested in this.  Doing an AD server with
Samba.  BLU is the Boston Linux Users Group and meets at MIT in Cambridge
MA.
This is a post from their discussion mailing list.

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From: Rich Braun ri...@pioneer.ci.net
Date: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:29 PM
Subject: [Discuss] Victory Re: Replacing AD with Samba4
To: disc...@blu.org


After a week of sporadic tweaking, I'm declaring victory in the Samba Active
Directory project.  Here are notes for anyone else trying to accomplish
something similar; the rise of Google's commercial ad-focused business and
the
lack of any natural-language query capability has reduced quality of
technical
information online to the point where it can take days to find the
nugget-needles of truth amid terabytes of useless haystacks of cruft.

My goals were two-fold:
 1) Eliminate my dependency on Microsoft Server, which I run at
home and no longer have any practical way to keep up-to-date
 2) Set up and maintain backups of my secure LDAP information,
which I realized I've never backed up in the past

What I had before was a standard Active Directory installation consisting of
two Windows Server 2008r2 instances named dc01 and dc02. (They were
installed
under VirtualBox on a pair of OpenSuSE servers.) It's not really accurate to
say they are primary and backup: domain controllers running Active
Directory these days run active-active symmetrical replication. So a lot of
the online documentation gets confusing because Microsoft's terminology
doesn't really spell out explicitly what the roles are.

What I have now are four instances running mutual replication between every
pair, dc01 through dc04. The new ones are running a source-compiled build of
samba 4.2.3 under LXC. (Still running an older distro, 12.3, because of the
immense effort required to replace the distro underlying several LXC
instances.)  My realm is called ETHER.CI.NET and I use a workgroup CIGROUP.

I can administer the new machines using Apache Directory Studio, and the old
ones using MS Active Directory Administration Center.  (For reasons that I
don't have time to figure out, neither of these admin tools works with all 4
instances; online info suggests they should both work but there are SSL-cert
issues and/or missing TCP services that get in my way for now.) New users
and
password changes that I make on any instance get replicated quickly to the
other 3.  I've also been able to configure my local Jira installation to use
Active Directory logins on one of the new Samba servers.

In addition to instructions in the Samba4 installation wiki, here are
commands
that I found necessary due (in part) to oddities in my ancient distro and
(in
part) to rough-edges remaining in Samba4 packaging:

 samba-tool domain join ether.ci.net DC -Uadministrator \
   --realm=ETHER.CI.NET --dns-backend=SAMBA_INTERNAL

 ldbsearch -H ../private/sam.ldb '(invocationid=*)' \
   --cross-ncs objectguid

 (using vi) add both dc03 and the forgotten dc04 to /etc/hosts

 samba-tool dns add dc01 _msdcs.ether.ci.net \
   e3f94209-f380-44a4-ae96-eb8750403671 CNAME dc03.ether.ci.net

 bin/net changesecretpw -f

 net ads password -U Administrator%[pw] DC03$

Something about the version of kerberos I have seems to require at least one
reboot before I can get past a preauth-failure message, even though 'klist'
command output seems fine. I also found that after building the second
instance, I needed to clear the /usr/local/samba and reinstall the first, to
get past a Refusing DsReplicaUpdateRefs error.  Other error messages I
collected during troubleshooting are:

 Failed to fetch our own, local AD domain join password for
  winbindd's internal use, both from secrets.tdb and
  secrets.ldb: NT_STATUS_CANT_ACCESS_DOMAIN_INFO

 samba_dnsupdate: RuntimeError: kinit for DC03$@ETHER.CI.NET
  failed (Preauthentication failed)

 RID Manager failed RID allocation - WERR_BADFILE

 Password change failed: Client not found in Kerberos database

 UpdateRefs failed with WERR_DS_DRA_ACCESS_DENIED

 dos charset 'CP850' unavailable - using ASCII

All I need to do for backups (at the moment) is make a periodic snapshot of
/usr/local/samba; there are additional open-source Linux scripts available
to
improve upon this.

Below are the krb5.conf and smb.conf configs that I finally settled on. I
almost gave up on this after a few days but at this point I'm a lot happier
with this than the old Microsoft-only setup.

-rich

krb5.conf
[libdefaults]
default_realm = ETHER.CI.NET
dns_lookup_realm = false
dns_lookup_kdc = false

[realms]
ETHER.CI.NET = {
kdc = 192.168.2.62
kdc = 192.168.2.65
kdc = 192.168.2.63
kdc = 192.168.2.71
admin_server = 192.168.2.62
}

[domain_realm]
.ether.ci.net = ETHER.CI.NET
ether.ci.net = ETHER.CI.NET

[logging]
kdc = FILE:/var/log/krb5/krb5kdc.log
admin_server = FILE:/var/log/krb5/kadmind.log
default = 

[nlug] Win10 on my Lenovo T540p issue

[Jack Coats]

Ok, I upgraded Win8.1 to Win10 on my Lenovo T540p.

All seems OK, EXCEPT after running on Win10 for a while (an hour or so)
even if I am in the middle of typing, the display just turns off.  I can't
seem to do anything but turn it off and back on and live 'goes on' like
nothing happened.

I can't seem to find anything in the event logs, and my Linux Mint (on a
separate partition) is not affected by this.  Win 8.1 did not display this
either.

QUESTION:
   Suggestions on where to look for hints?

As part of the upgrade, Lenovo did upgrade the bios.  Current maintenance
including device drivers are going.  This is the only known issue I have
with Win10
Detail type is Lenovo 20BF-S38A00

FYI, I also just upgraded a Win 7 desktop with no apparent issues.

Any input is appreciated.
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Re: [nlug] Printer power cord

[Jack Coats]

Or there are the normal horrible suggestions... Go look at Best Buy or
Lowe's or Sears Appliance (or appliance repair shop) with a sketch or pix
of what it needs to look like and say 'I NEED ON OF THEM THAIR THINS THAT
PLUG IN LIKE THAT FOR THE ELECTRIC WHATCHAMACALLIT' (in my best TN southern
backwoods drawl!) grin ... and some good-ol-boy behind the counter would
be glad to help!

I think I found one at WMT for one I was missing at one time with a
'polarized two wire plug and socket end' (kind of a figure 8 style with one
of the 8's having a flat end).

Normally, I give up and buy a couple of the wrong kind from a internet-only
dealer or ebay unless I am in a particular hurry!  Sometimes replacing the
appliance socket with a grommet and a dedicated plug works too.  But feel
confident in your soldering and have plenty of shrink wrap tubing and
electrical tape on hand! :-)

On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:41 PM, David R. Wilson da...@wwns.com wrote:

 Also look at eBay.  Worst comes to worst you can get an HP power supply
 that uses that connector.

 I suspect you can find the power cord only if you snoop around a bit.
 They are fairly common.

 If you don't find it next several days let me know.  I might be able to
 dig one up.

 Dave

 On Fri, 2015-06-19 at 16:41 -0500, Curt Lundgren wrote:
  It's very commonly used by Dell.  We don't have any surplus of them,
  where I've mainly seen them is in the inline PoE injector supplies for
  UniFi access points.  You wouldn't be happy with one of those cords
  though, they're about 18 in length.
 
 
  If no one has spares, try monoprice.com
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Kevin Eldridge crash...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Hi Curt,
 
  Looking on the back of the printer, it is the Mickey Mouse
  style plug:
 
  Plug Connector (Male): A
  Appliance Outlet (Female): B
  Drawing: attached
  Pin spacing,
  centres (mm): 10 (H)
  4.5 (V)
  Earth contact: Yes
  Appliance class: I
  Rewirable
  connector
  allowed? No
  Max. current: 2.5
  Remarks and example uses: Commonly referred to as a
  Clover-leaf or Mickey Mouse connector due to its shape
 
 
 
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 19, 2015, 4:17 PM Curt Lundgren
  verif...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  If you need the very standard C13 style, stop by
  Watkins.  I'll probably require you take at least ten
  - Howard is right, they multiply in the dark.
 
 
  Curt
 
 
 
  On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 3:50 PM, CRasH180
  crash...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Howard,
 
  I will look at the web site Curt provided,
  thank you Curt, and get the exact printer
  cable I need to see if you have it. Since you
  live so far out, maybe we could meet half way.
 
  My number is 615-830-4541. Text me your number
  or call me so I have your number, if you do
  not mind.
 
  Thank you Howard,
 
  Kevin Eldridge
 
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[nlug] OT: Looking for m3 socket head bolts accessories

[Jack Coats]

I was looking for assortments on eBay and Amazon, not finding what I want.
Does anyone know of a good resource? (Prefer local, but 'net is OK)

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Re: [nlug] OT: Looking for m3 socket head bolts accessories

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Thanks Paul.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 9:26 PM, Paul Tabolinsky paul.t...@gmail.com
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 Call Southern Bolt and Screw, here in Nashville.
 If they don't have what you want they should be able to point you in
 correct place.
 Tabo


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 want.  Does anyone know of a good resource? (Prefer local, but 'net is OK)

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[nlug] Linksys switches available

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I have a 16 port 10/100 and a 24 port 10/100/1000 to a good home.  Contact
me off list and come and get them.
They were donations to Girl Scouts, so a donation to Girl Scouts would be
nice, but not required.

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[nlug] 24 port switch gone, 16 port available

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Let me know if it is wanted. Oh yes, designed for rack mount, 1U

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Re: [nlug] Ubuntu 14.04.2 LTS

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My best luck has been, plug it into a wired connection to start with.  Then
go turn on the 'proprietary drivers', and update your repositories again
with

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

then you can probably either manually enable the right drivers or it will
be recognized automatically.

Now disconnect your wired connection, configure your wireless, and have fun!


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 drivers aren't supported by ubuntu. I was wondering if anyone had a work
 around? The wireless nic is Broadcom Corporation: Wireless 1510 Wireless-N
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Re: [nlug] New user greeting.

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Hi.  Alex is right.  Some of us bite a little harder than others, but
mostly if we are frustrated by a user at work, not normally the person
asking questions.

The dumbest questions are always the ones not asked.  And if you have a
question, the odd are someone either has the problem or has seen the
problem before.  So if in doubt, ASK!

There are some retirees like me on the list.  Many hobbiests.  Several
pro's that have learned from hard knocks, formal education, lots of
experience, that know there is more to know than any one person can know,
and are still learning, but love to help others (except on the occasional
hard day!).

Even though I have various machines around, I just got a RaspberryPi B+ and
am running Linux on it (Raspbian that is a distribution based on Debian for
the Raspberry Pi - if those words don't make sense, don't worry about it.)

Try something, if you have problems ask.  Enjoy!


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wrote:

 Grant,

 Welcome to NLUG! We're all happy to see you.

 While we may not all be local to the Nashville area (I live near
 Washington DC), we all like or work with Linux, and want to share our
 knowledge and grow. We hope that you enjoy your time with our group.

 If you have any questions, a good Google search will be very helpful, as
 well as SuperUser (a StackExchange site), as well as the NLUG mailing list.

 Whenever you post questions, be sure to give as much information as you
 can, so we can best help you. We don't think of any question as stupid, but
 if you word it poorly, you might get a rude response from some of the less
 disciplined members.

 We also love to help install Linux any time we can. If you're having
 difficulty, or want to try out a solution such as VirtualBox, feel free to
 ask. I've done both ways, and we'll try to help as much as we can.

 Good luck, and welcome!


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 damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
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 - Alex Smith
 - Dulles, Virginia

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 Linux after my Linux/Unix class. I didn't get much out of the class but I'd
 like to learn more. Any info provided about the group would be appreciated.
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[nlug] VirtualBox ... newbie question

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I have a laptop that runs Mint or Win7 nicely.  It is set up to dual boot.

Is there a way to configure virtual box to allow using a 'live disk'
instead of a system image.

If so, could you point me to a tutorial?

Thanks in advance...

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Re: [nlug] VirtualBox ... newbie question

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Yes.  I would like to 'boot' my Win7 in a virtual box under Linux Mint,
instead of having to reboot into Windows.
On my machine
sda1 is Windows
sda2 is windows recovery partition
sda3 is linux mint
sda4 is linux swap

Partitions SDA1 and SDA3 are bootable.

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 Define live disk. Do you mean like a partition?


 Sent from my iPhone

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 I have a laptop that runs Mint or Win7 nicely.  It is set up to dual boot.

 Is there a way to configure virtual box to allow using a 'live disk'
 instead of a system image.

 If so, could you point me to a tutorial?

 Thanks in advance...

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[nlug] Local hosting providers?

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I am starting to look for a new low cost hosting provider.  Any
suggestions, preferably locally based?
My current home site is based in Texas.  After 10 years possibly I need to
move it to TN.

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[nlug] 3-2-1 Backups - Again

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Howdy friends...

Time for your mostly annual backup lecture from me ... but this time a
couple of entertaining talking heads cover the points pretty well.

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzl4IIrmrVg

These guys are a little over caffeinated, but they give as good a backup
lecture that isn't to dry.  It is from what appears to be 'real people' (as
much as talking heads are real people) as I have heard in a long time.

Personally, I do use crashplan.com (let me know if you want to use it, so I
can share a code to give you and me a discount) to copy both onsite and
offsite.  But that is not the reason for this note.  Use whatever you use
regularly.

The point is:

Backup well.
Backup regularly.
Backup securely.
Backup offsite and onsite.
Test your backup occasionally.

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Re: [nlug] Is anyone already doing this? (Unified communication)

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JMJ, yes, using a pi, arduino, PIC, or just about anything would work.

https://www.adafruit.com/products/789 is designed for Arduino.  They also
have a good PDF on RFID in general at
http://www.adafruit.com/datasheets/rfid%20guide.pdf

Life will be easier if you use arduino shields with arduino's and Pi hats
for the Pi's.  Basically the Arduino uses 5V and Pi is 3.3V based logic.
But there are always exceptions in life.

With proper searching you might find a commercial implementation that isn't
to pricy and easier to use/plugplay.

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 On 03/31/2015 12:54 AM, Tilghman Lesher wrote:

 That's also why I suggested that you place two proximity detectors
 along a single path.  The order in which they activate then indicates
 ingress or egress.


 And since nobody has mentioned using a Raspberry Pi yet... you could make
 a proximity detector out of a Raspberry Pi with a camera and/or a USB
 Bluetooth gadget.

 If the work schedule is consistent, you could just schedule the PBX to
 route calls based on the time of day.  Yeah, I know... who has a consistent
 work schedule any more?  heh heh

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Re: [nlug] Is anyone already doing this? (Unified communication)

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I like the cameras, then use an app... have the computer 'text' an SMS that
requires a response to take action...  Your basic 2 factor authentication.

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wrote:

 Cameras at the entrance facing in  out and face recognition?

 Andy
 On Mar 30, 2015 9:18 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:

 The simplest (but not automatic) method would be to have a couple of
 links on his computer at work. He would click on one when he arrived in the
 morning, and on the other when he was ready to go home.

 Assuming his phone connects to the WiFi network at work, connecting to
 the network could trigger a script to start the call redirection. Putting
 his phone into Drive mode, or scanning an NFC tag, could trigger another
 script to send work calls to voice mail instead of his phone.


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 wrote:

 We're actually looking at NFC enabled mag stripe cards for student ID,
 door access, etc.  Great technology, unfortunately there aren't any
 affordable readers that have sufficient range to detect passage through a
 doorway, and even if they did, the direction of travel is not indicated.

 Tile is cool technology, at least until the battery dies.

 I wasn't suggesting the transponder be implanted in the phone, but in
 Chris.  Yes, it's a bit harsh,  Like I say, he's resistant…

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 An aircraft transponder is a bit harsh [and would drain your smartphone
 battery like you wouldn't believe] but have you considered either an RFID
 tag or a Tile (https://www.thetileapp.com/) or similar?  This would
 allow you to detect them coming and going and react accordingly.

 Andy

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 Sorry John - I mis-read your message at first.  Yes, he wants 'out of
 office' calls to go to the work phone and roll over to voice mail.

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 wrote:

 Not quite, John.  With a few exceptions our phone system Emails
 voicemail recordings as MP3 attachments.  I found a script 'sendmailmp3'
 that intercepts the .WAV format outgoing message.  Strips it apart,
 converts the WAV to an MP3 using LAME, then reassembles the outgoing
 message and passes it along to sendmail.

 The dream is to have the phone system magically know that Chris is in
 or out of the building and react accordingly.  The reaction, directing
 calls one way or another, is easy.  The hard part appears to have a 
 method
 of detection that doesn't cause excess battery drain.

 I've tried to convince him to have an aircraft transponder implanted,
 but he's resistant to the idea.

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 shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe then log out when you arrive, and log in when you leave?

  'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
 censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains 
 us
 all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as 
 wisdom
 and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re all
 damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
 episode The Drumhead
 - Alex Smith
 - Huntsville, Alabama metropolitan area USA

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 j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:

 According to what he said, he wants to use his mobile phone, rather
 than his desk phone, while at work, and his work desk phone while not 
 at
 work. I am guessing this is probably because he spends a good part of 
 his
 work day away from his desk, and wants calls to his work phone during
 off-hours to roll over to voice mail instead of routing to his cell 
 phone.



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 shadowhun...@gmail.com wrote:

 How about adding your mobile number to your PBX, and logging into
 your desk phone when you're there? If you're logged out, it forwards 
 to
 your mobile.

  'With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
 censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, 
 chains us
 all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron Satie as 
 wisdom
 and warning... The first time any man's freedom is trodden on, we’re 
 all
 damaged. - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aaron Satie, Star Trek: TNG
 episode The Drumhead
 - Alex Smith
 - Huntsville, Alabama metropolitan area USA

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 j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:

 The approach I would probably use for this would be to have a
 couple of scripts that would send some command to the Asterix 
 server. The
 first one, triggered when my phone connected to the work network, 
 would set
 the Asterix server to reroute the phone calls. The second script, 
 triggered
 when I set my cell phone to car mode, would set the Asterix server 
 to route
 the calls to 

[nlug] Clonezilla question (or so)

[Jack Coats]

I have a dieing laptop, I can boot clonezilla on it, and want to write a
disk (or partition) image to cd's (multiple).

Is this possible?

Anyone point me to a nice RTFM on how to do this?

TIA ...

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Re: [nlug] Fwd: wikispot.org is shutting down April 1st

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Anyone planning on archiving presentations and other information on the
current site 'for posterity', and future reference?

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Re: [nlug] NLUG Github Group WAS: Fwd: wikispot.org is shutting down April 1st

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I was hoping someone would archive a copy in toto rather than piecemeal.  I
have no clue how to do so with a wiki or I would just do it.

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 On Monday, March 2, 2015, Jack Coats j...@coats.org wrote:

 Anyone planning on archiving presentations and other information on the
 current site 'for posterity', and future reference?


 I just forked the slides for the four talks I've given over to the NLUG
 Group.

 For those of you who would like to join the Group and post your repos,
 give us your Github username on the list or at the meeting and we'll add
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 We can discuss whether to put other informational repos on the Group if
 y'all would like.

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Re: [nlug] local establishment being extorted with DDOS

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My suggestion is basically 'all of the above'.
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Set up with cloudflare, update DNS to point to cloud flare, get new IP's
and point cloud flare to it.
Also notify CERT and FBI.

Not a magic bullet, but it could help and wouldn't hurt.

I have noticed fewer 'bad access' attempts to my domain after getting set
up with CloudFlare. - For individuals, it is free.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 8:32 PM, Chris McQuistion cmcquist...@watkins.edu
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 We use Cloudflare and they are good but if the atttackers already know
 their IP's, it might not be much good.

 Chris

 On Tuesday, February 17, 2015, Csaba Toth csaba.toth...@gmail.com wrote:

 FBI + CloudFlare
 I haven't used cloudflare yet, but I remember many years ago Chris or
 Curt said they are good, and since then they were in the news related to
 mitigation of record breaking DDoS attacks. So I guess they must be good.

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Allen Minix rmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Might not hurt to also directly report to US-CERT as well.

 https://www.us-cert.gov/forms/report

 (888) 282-0870

 On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 7:41 PM, Howard White hwh...@vcch.com wrote:

 Okay intrepid network magi,

 An acquaintance of mine is being bombarded with a DDOS and being told
 that for $ the problem will go away.  Said acquaintance is manually
 blocking IPs and IP ranges as they make themselves visible but they are
 still overwhelmed.

 My response, since extortion is involved, is to call the FBI.

 Would anyone else have suggestions?

 Howard

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Re: RE: [nlug] I never saw this form of Windows 10 coming!

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Michael, you are OK.  Just think about how someone that is not you will
interpret it.  All of us get caught on the odd side of this conundrum on
occasion.

Okay, conundrum isn't the right word, but is sounded good in my head!

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Re: [nlug] I never saw this form of Windows 10 coming!

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My biggest problem with windows, other than the huberous they have shown
since the '70s, and closed source nature of their business, is they cannot
be trusted to keep projects that make sense going, especially if it makes
the more cents.

I dislike the 'black box' patching system, but that goes with their black
box software.

Their technology is fine and generally works, at least it seems to the on
the third try, sometimes second, at just about anything.  But because they
want new toys, they decide the old isn't worth money to support, and do
their best to force customers to upgrade.

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