date:20010912

Title: Message

I am
an American citizen. In my message, I was responding to someone else who was not
one.
John

-Original Message-From: Normand Dionne
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:16
PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: To Mr. Hornbuckle,
non-U.S. Citizen
I
see Perry FL in your address Mr. Hornbuckle. Like through the internet,
everything that happens in this world touches everyone else. It is still
my hope that direct communications from the one to the many via the internet
would help end this sort of violence in pursuit of senseless nationalistic
identities which are valued more than the people they are supposed to
benefit.
This is not
about highly religious values of one group over another. The people who did
this and those who supported this are simply greedy for power themselves. They
sacrifice the integrity of their souls in doing this and drag a great number
of the unsuspecting with them.
It
is my further hope that our response, the response of those who are American
Citizens and who believe in the freedoms which again today show their true
cost, will not become terrorists themselves, sweeping both the guilty and
innocent away in broad undisciplined strokes.
So
let this American state for the record today that I am a Citizen of the World.
If you are not an American Citizen, please join in with me as Citizen of the
World.
My
prayers go to the victims, to those who must now react and to those who did
this, for those who did this will pay a dear price.
Normand DionneUH HiloAcademic Computing
Services808-974-7768 (Voice and FAX)

-Original Message-From: John Hornbuckle
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September
11, 2001 8:01 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
NewYork Terrorist Attack
>like many
on this list, I'm not American.
Oh, so this doesn't
affect you? Think again!
John HornbuckleNetwork
ManagerTaylor County School District318 North Clark StreetPerry,
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread RAMSEY, CAROLYN

Title: RE: Attack and Gas Prices





Price gouching (raising prices for pure greed) has been declared illegal in TX and OK, attorney generals have sworn to prosecute as needed and reported.

Lines were long yesterday, but only heard about 10 cent increases.


Carolyn Ramsey
Texoma HealthCare System
Denison, Texas 75020
MIS Support
903-416-4175



-Original Message-
From:   Martin Blackstone [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:    RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Exactly. It is pure greed. There is no shortage. There is no reason to
oil to be held up. There is no reason to raise the price.
It is pure greed


-Original Message-
From: Senter, John M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



There is no reason for the gas price to jump, except the greed of people
to try and make money off of other peoples loss.  It makes me sick on
how some people try and make money.


js


-Original Message-
From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



Oklahoma city supposedly.
Topeka KS, 5.00 a gallon...


I'm not sure, I haven't been out yet.
Guess I'll run out and fill up in case...


-Original Message-
From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Like where ...


-Original Message-
From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 16:11
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Attack and Gas Prices



Can anyone confirm that gas prices are going up around the country?  
Supposedly it's around $6.00 a gallon already in some places...
 
 


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RE: O/T Red Cross online donations

2001-09-12 Thread Malcolm Reitz


You can also donate through Amazon.com. Go to www.amazon.com.

Malcolm
 


-Original Message-
From: Jan Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: O/T Red Cross online donations



For us non Americans you can donate funds online to the Red Cross @
http://www.redcross.org/

The site is congested but you will get though if you stick with it.

To our American friends - you are in our thoughts and prayers.



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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Andrew S. Baker


~
In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.
~

To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism.  We lose what we
cherish, and that is freedom.  And many will accept this, because they
think it will be better -- but it won't.

A wise man once said:  "They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety." -- Benjamin Franklin


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==
 "A nickel isn't worth a dime today." -- Yogi Berra.




>-Original Message-
>From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: OT? perspective of events
>
>
>My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly
>affected by these
>cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of
>us indirectly
>affected.
>
>Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions -
>in recent months
>there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
>snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure
>we Americans
>are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
>and privacy.  As
>IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know
>if someone had
>asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against
>Carnivore.  Today,
>I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my
>email looking
>for suspicious activity.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic
>discussion, in no way
>am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all
>for them.  Many
>of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like
>the off topic
>discussions - learn to use the delete key or setup a filter or rule.
>


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Re: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Kelly Borndale




Well, Carnivore is for "known" addresses -it doesn't just 
snoop all communications.  Echelon, which has been in place for quite a 
while, originally for phone conversations, is the one that will listen for 
certain words, and flag them.  Whether or not they are using Echelon (which 
is constantly said to "not exist", the British Parliment just had a vote on 
whether or not to keep denying its existance) in conjunction with Carnivore, I 
do not know.
K.Borndale
 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -home 
email

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kevin 
  Lundy 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:13 
  AM
  Subject: OT? perspective of events
  My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected 
  by thesecowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us 
  indirectlyaffected.Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the 
  discussions - in recent monthsthere has been considerable debate on 
  Carnivore (the FBI's electronicsnooping tool).  In order to increase 
  our security, I'm sure we Americansare going to have to give up some of 
  our personal freedom and privacy.  AsIT pro's, has anyone's opinion 
  of Carnivore changed?  I know if someone hadasked me the question on 
  Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,I'm willing to 
  accept some software "black-box" scanning my email lookingfor suspicious 
  activity.Thoughts?BTW - just because I am initiating a 
  slightly on topic discussion, in no wayam I suggesting that that the other 
  threads stop.  I'm all for them.  Manyof our list members are in 
  NY and DC.  Those who don't like the off topicdiscussions - learn to 
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RE: INTERNET MONITORING

2001-09-12 Thread Matt Wehnes

Title: INTERNET MONITORING



I 
currently use Surf control and highly recommend it. However if you have more 
time on your hands than money. Just use crystal reports (or something similar) 
and you can build your own reports off your proxy servers logs on usage 
data.
 
This 
is what I did for 3 years before purchasing Surf 
control.
 

Matt Wehnes System 
Administrator Morton Machining & 
MFG [Matt 
Wehnes]  -Original Message-From: 
Rocky Stefano [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 
September 12, 2001 1:01 AMTo: NT System Admin 
IssuesSubject: RE: INTERNET 
MONITORING

  Try 
  surfcontrol
  
-Original Message-From: Freeman, Caine 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: September 11, 2001 
8:34 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: INTERNET 
MONITORING
Hi All,  I administer an NT 4 network accross 3 
domains (Sydney, Melbourne & Brisbane) connected through 2 VPN 
Tunnels. Our internet bill has recently 
spiked and I want to know why. Does 
anybody know a program I can implement to monitor peoples usage of the 
internet, programs accessing and downloading data?
Regards Caine 
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RE: Silicon Valley salary

2001-09-12 Thread Malcolm Reitz


Geez, and I thought the 40-minute communte I just picked up on my move to
Houston was bad (it was 10 minutes at my previous job).

Malcolm
 


-Original Message-
From: Diane Beckham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Silicon Valley salary


My husband works 2/3 in Silicon Valley and 1/3 in Southern Calif. because
the cost of living up there is so expensive and housing is so outrageous!
You may get paid alot but when it takes  1 1/2 hours to travel 30 miles
because you can't afford to live close to work it isn't worth it.  Most of
the companies up there buy dinner every night for their employees because
most of them don't go home til 8 or 9 pm because of traffic.  Some of the
people in his office sleep on futons in their office 3 to 4 days aweek
instead of going home.  

Something to consider
Diane

-Original Message-
From: Markus Laker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Silicon Valley salary


Once the authorities get around to processing visa applications again, and
once the airports reopen, my employer is planning to move me from its UK
office here in Bracknell to its San Jose office for a couple of years.
Marvellous timing, I know.

Salary negotiations are beginning in earnest.  Most of the Californian job
sites I can find don't mention salaries these days (surprise, surprise).
What does a competent C++ developer earn in Silicon Valley these days?

Thanks and regards,

Markus


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RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

2001-09-12 Thread Dewar Charles R

What a whack job. Heck, http://www.xdude.com gave a more reasoned response.

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 5:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: FW: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

Fellow Sysadmins;

Some of you may recognize the author of the piece below. For those of you
who don't, he's a recognized science fiction author, and a lesser-known
political writer, with a number of books published in each field.

I hope you find it interesting, and keep his cautions in mind when
evaluating the actions of not only the US goverment, but also other
governments and other organizations as well.

Kurt

---

From: "L. Neil Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 08:41:57 -0600
Subject:MORNING OF HORROR

MORNING OF HORROR

By L. Neil Smith 

Special to _The Libertarian Enterpise_

 First of all, expect never to learn the truth about what happened
at the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and elsewhere this morning of
September 11, 2001, any more than we did with regard to the murders of
Jack and Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, at Ruby Ridge, Waco, or
Oklahoma City. Ambiguity and uncertainty serve far too many political
interests.

 Another certainty is that, although I'm told 50,000 people worked
in the World Trade Center, more innocent individuals will die as a
result of what the Old Media are lovingly referring to as a "lockdown"
of Manhattan and other places, than any acts of terrorism that may have
occurred. The military has just said they'll shoot down any plane they
see flying. Only one civilian plane is in the air this morning, Air
Force One; that's as grim a warning of things to come as I can think
of.

 "Collateral" deaths won't just happen as a consequence, say, of
somebody with a heart attack being unable to get to a hospital, but
whenever and wherever some dumb kid in an army uniform gets startled
by a car backfiring and starts spraying everybody and his pet poodle
with automatic rifle fire. Or to whomever the martial lawyers decide
it's safe to liquidate using this foul mess as a cover. Or, vastly
more ominously, to people in the not-so-distant future who decide they
must resist the police state that will inevitably result from these
events.

 It's extremely difficult to think coherently about long term
effects, let alone to get it all down in writing, when you learn that,
not only were hijacked commercial aircraft used to commit these
unspeakably evil acts, but that 90 passengers died helplessly in the
first plane, and others yet unnumbered may have died in subsequent
attacks. _Somebody_ has to think about it, though, or this situation
will be used to turn the Bill of Rights off forever. Depending on the
planning behind it, or who did the planning, it may already be too
late.

 All airports have been shut down today, and I shudder to think
about what flying will be like from now on. The Clintons, Schumers,
and Waxmans will try to shut down the Internet, calling it a breeding
ground for terrorism. The Bushes and Cheneys will "reluctantly" go
along.

 Rush Limbaugh will cheer them on.

 What should those who value their freedom do? Every chance you
have, from this moment on, whether it's on talk radio, or on the
letters to the editor page, on the Internet while it's still possible,
or in communication with everyone you know -- it's time for even the
most apolitical to write to senators and congressmen -- emphasize two
points:

 First, inform them that closing down the First or Second or any
other Amendment is not an appropriate response to what's happened, and
that any politician or bureaucrat in office who attempts to capitalize
on today's horrors is committing the same sort of blatantly criminal
act I've always insisted must be punished under Bill of Rights
enforcement.

 Second, these things happen to nations with imperial ambitions.
There has never been a major act of terrorism I know of that hasn't
resulted from an act of government that violated somebody's rights. The
way to keep this sort of thing from  happening again is to stop those
violations.

 Hideously enough, my new novel _The American Zone_, scheduled to
be published next November by Tor Books, begins with an act very
similar to this one, carried out to force the creation of a strong
central government in the governmentless "North American Confederacy"
that figures in so many of my books. As anybody who knows my work can
safely predict, the evil scheme doesn't work and the villains are
defeated.

 Life isn't as predictably pleasant as fiction. Happy endings are
few and far between. But it's important to act swiftly if we're to
preserve anything resembling the freedom that made this civilization
great.

 Pass the word.

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RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS

2001-09-12 Thread Murray Freeman


For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines and rising prices for
gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
information that you personally know to be factual. So here are the facts
from the Northern Suburbs of Chicago, where our gas prices are among the
highest in the U.S. I reported yesterday that a gas station near my office
was at $2.09 for a gallon of premium on my way into work yesterday morning.
However, when I went out for lunch, the price had DROPPED to $1.99 per
gallon. After all the RUMORS yesterday and the fact that I had less than a
quarter of a tank of gas in my car, I was somewhat concerned. But at 5:00PM
that gas station near my office was STILL at $1.99 per gallon and to my
surprise, NO LINES! I figured that since I pass several gas stations on my
way home, I'd take a chance that the RUMORS were bulls**t and wait to fill
at the station near my home. Well, every gas station I passed had the same
pricing as in the morning and there were NO LINES to be seen. Finally, I
came to the gas station near my home, and the price of gas hadn't changed
and there were NO LINES, so I pulled in and filled up as usual. So for those
of you who are willing to pass rumors and join our enemies in battle, I
suggest you have an opportunity to leave the enemy and rejoin us  who are
lucky enough to live in the greatest land of all. And the way to do that is
to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

Murray F. (how long will I have to use this signature so as not to be
confused with Murray B. in Canada)

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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Harry_Campbell



Bravo!


   
  
"Don Ely"  
  
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
  
  cc:  
  
09/11/2001Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
  
05:31 PM   
  
Please respond 
  
to "NT System  
  
Admin Issues"  
  
   
  
   
  





Most  Impressive!!
-Original Message-
From: Bartolini  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001  2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: NewYork  Terrorist Attack


This, from a  Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.


America: The  Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was  given recently to a
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon  Sinclair,
a Canadian television commentator.
What follows is the full  text of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record:


"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the  Americans as
the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and  Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these  countries is today paying even the interest
on its remaining debts to the  United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,  it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be  insulted
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
were  flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the  Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
into discouraged countries. Now  newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering  Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is  gloating over
the erosion of the United States dollar build its own  airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If  so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except  Russia fly American
Planes?

Why does no other land on earth  even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon?
You talk about  Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German  technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American  technocracy, and you find men on the
moon-not once, but several times-and  safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs  right
in the store window for everybody to look at.

Even  their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are
here on our  streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking
Canadian laws, are  getting American dollars from ma and pa at home
to spend here.

When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking  down
through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
When the  Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke,
nobody loaned  them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.

I can name you  5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
other people in  trouble. Can you name me even one time when
someone else raced to the  Americans in trouble?
I don't think there was outside help even during the  San Francisco
earthquake.

Our neighbors have faced it alone,  and I'm one Canadian who is
damned tired of hearing them get kicked  around.
They will come out of this thing with their flag high.
And  when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at
the lands that are  gloating over their present troubles. I hope
Canada is not one of those."


Stand proud, America!

- Original Message -
From:  Luke Brumbaugh
To: NT System Admin  Issues
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:47  PM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist  Attack

Thank you, I beleive it was another Canadian who stood up and said  How
America (United States) was always the first to help other countries in
distress, but who helps them when they were in a crisis.  It's nice to
have FRIENDS up north.
I  applaud you sir.
-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001  3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE:

RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread RAMSEY, CAROLYN

Title: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack





This is an excellent article that I've shared with my fellow IT staff members - makes me proud to be an American.


Carolyn Ramsey
Texoma HealthCare System
Denison, Tx
MIS Support
903-416-4175



-Original Message-
From:   Lefkovics, William [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:    RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


That is a famous article by one of Canada's best journalists.
 
William
 
-Original Message-
From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 2:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack


This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
 
 
America: The Good Neighbor.
 
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair,
a Canadian television commentator.
What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record:
 
 
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as
the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest
on its remaining debts to the United States.
 
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
 
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.
 
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.
 
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
Planes?
 
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.
 
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the
moon-not once, but several times-and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right
in the store window for everybody to look at.
 
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are
here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking
Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home
to spend here.
 
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down
through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them.
When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke,
nobody loaned them an old caboose.
Both are still broke.
 
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of
other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when
someone else raced to the Americans in trouble?
I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco
earthquake.
 
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is
damned tired of hearing them get kicked around.
They will come out of this thing with their flag high.
And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at
the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope
Canada is not one of those."
 
 
Stand proud, America!


- Original Message - 
From: Luke Brumbaugh 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


Thank you, I beleive it was another Canadian who stood up and said How America (United States) was always the first to help other countries in distress, but who helps them when they were in a crisis.  It's nice to have FRIENDS up north.

I applaud you sir.

-Original Message-
From: Mal Sasalu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


 
 
Murray, believe me they will (US). I am a Canadian saying this. If you knew what happens around the world you wouldn't say this. Any natural catastrophe or otherwise in any part of the world, America is the first one to respond. If you don't know ask people who were torn by earthquakes in Turkey, India, Mexico - - -. Don't get into hair splitting exercise. 

 
Mal
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From: Murray Binette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: NewYork Terror

RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Laura Swartout

Title: RE: Attack and Gas Prices









Gas prices in
the Midwest rose sharply before the Labor Day
weekend. We were paying $1.96 for 87 unleaded octane. All day yesterday it was
down to 1.67. This morning it's back up to almost 2 bucks. Lines were
long at the pumps in La Crosse, WI but Winona, MN hasn't panicked yet. I think
most people are taking a "wait and see" attitude.

 

-Original Message-
From: RAMSEY, CAROLYN
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12,
2001 8:26 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices

 

Price gouching (raising prices for pure greed) has
been declared illegal in TX and OK, attorney generals have sworn to prosecute
as needed and reported.

Lines were long yesterday, but only heard about 10
cent increases. 

Carolyn Ramsey 
Texoma
HealthCare System 
Denison,
Texas 75020 
MIS
Support 
903-416-4175


 

-Original Message- 
From:   Martin Blackstone
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:46 PM

To: NT System Admin
Issues 
Subject:   
RE:
Attack and Gas Prices 

Exactly. It is pure greed. There is no shortage.
There is no reason to 
oil to
be held up. There is no reason to raise the price. 
It is
pure greed 

-Original Message- 
From:
Senter, John M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:44 PM 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
RE: Attack and Gas Prices 

 

There is no reason for the gas price to jump, except
the greed of people 
to try
and make money off of other peoples loss.  It makes me sick on

how
some people try and make money. 

js 

-Original Message- 
From:
David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:40 PM 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
RE: Attack and Gas Prices 

 

Oklahoma city supposedly. 
Topeka
KS, 5.00 a gallon... 

I'm not sure, I haven't been out yet. 
Guess
I'll run out and fill up in case... 

-Original Message- 
From:
David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:27 PM 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
RE: Attack and Gas Prices 

Like where ... 

-Original Message- 
From:
David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent:
Tuesday, September 11, 2001 16:11 
To: NT
System Admin Issues 
Subject:
Attack and Gas Prices 

 

Can anyone confirm that gas prices are going up
around the country?  
Supposedly
it's around $6.00 a gallon already in some places... 
 

 


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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Benjamin Winzenz


I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I think some of it may
be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation basically can be
recorded based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think that the same
type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most.  I think
though, that if we were all told the extent of "spying" that the FBI already
does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I almost think
that things like that are better off kept silent.  "what the people don't
know won't hurt them" type of attitude.  It's gonna get really interesting
for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a bit of a bumpy
ride.

As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the horrible acts
that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be affected by this
dastardly deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to those who have
experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at what happened.  At
the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and wise decisions
in the aftermath of what has happened.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.

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From:   Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:OT? perspective of events

My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in no way
am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all for them.  Many
of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like the off topic
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RE: windows 2000 Backup program

2001-09-12 Thread Matt Wehnes


I've never used NTBACKUP so I don't know what the problem is.

Why don't you just make a Directory on HD1 call "HD2" and use xcopy or move
to transfer the data from hd2 to hd1.

Just an idea.

Matt Wehnes 
System Administrator
Morton Machining & MFG

-Original Message-
From: Gareth Campling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: windows 2000 Backup program


Hi group

i'm confused on this one, got a windows 200 machine with 2
drives both drives having 2 paritions, trying to back up 5.5GB of data
from HD2 to a partition on HD1 that has 7.7GB free space using
NTBackup so that i can use convert.exe on hd2 and convert it to a NTFS
drive as its fat32 at the moment, but when i run the backup it gets to
about 4.5GB and says out of space on target device, but as my maths
can see its got plenty of space ? any answers would be great.

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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Jason Gauthier

Title: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



What?
 
87: 
1.69
89: 
1.79
93: 
1.79
 
I 
got 93 this morning for the first time in a year.
 
 

  -Original Message-From: Laura Swartout 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 
  2001 9:49 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: 
  Attack and Gas Prices
  
  Gas prices 
  in the Midwest rose 
  sharply before the Labor Day weekend. We were paying $1.96 for 87 unleaded 
  octane. All day yesterday it was down to 1.67. This morning it's back up to 
  almost 2 bucks. Lines were long at the pumps in 
  La 
  Crosse, 
  WI but 
  Winona, 
  MN hasn't 
  panicked yet. I think most people are taking a "wait and see" 
  attitude.
   
  -Original 
  Message-From: RAMSEY, 
  CAROLYN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:26 
  AMTo: NT System Admin 
  IssuesSubject: RE: Attack 
  and Gas Prices
   
  Price gouching (raising prices for 
  pure greed) has been declared illegal in TX and OK, attorney generals have 
  sworn to prosecute as needed and reported.
  Lines were long yesterday, but 
  only heard about 10 cent increases. 
  Carolyn 
  Ramsey Texoma HealthCare 
  System Denison, Texas 75020 
  MIS Support 
  903-416-4175 
  
   
  -Original 
  Message- From:   
  Martin Blackstone [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent:   
  Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:46 
  PM To: 
  NT 
  System Admin Issues Subject:    
  RE: 
  Attack and Gas Prices 
  Exactly. It is pure greed. There 
  is no shortage. There is no reason to oil to be held up. 
  There is no reason to raise the price. It is pure 
  greed 
  -Original 
  Message- From: Senter, John M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  1:44 PM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: RE: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
   
  There is no reason for the gas 
  price to jump, except the greed of people to try and make money 
  off of other peoples loss.  It makes me sick on how some 
  people try and make money. 
  js 
  -Original 
  Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  3:40 PM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: RE: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
   
  Oklahoma city 
  supposedly. Topeka KS, 5.00 a 
  gallon... 
  I'm not sure, I haven't been out 
  yet. Guess I'll run out and fill up in 
  case... 
  -Original 
  Message- From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  3:27 PM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: RE: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
  Like where ... 
  
  -Original 
  Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  16:11 To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject: Attack and Gas 
  Prices 
   
  Can anyone confirm that gas prices 
  are going up around the country?  Supposedly it's 
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

Hey Denison - been there lots of times!

In IL, the Governer and AG were taken by surprise as prices in central IL 
were jacked up to $3-5!  Supposedly it's come down a bit since then, but 
not all the way down to the already too high $1.85.  Neither the Gov nor 
the AG were at all amused by this...

At 08:25 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Price gouching (raising prices for pure greed) has been declared illegal 
>in TX and OK, attorney generals have sworn to prosecute as needed and reported.
>
>Lines were long yesterday, but only heard about 10 cent increases.
>
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>Texoma HealthCare System
>Denison, Texas 75020
>MIS Support

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RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS

2001-09-12 Thread RZorz

Title: RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS





Our local news showed numerous reports of price gouging around the country.  Some states have already launched investigations into price fixing. 

Try hitting the delete button instead of getting upset. 


-Original Message-
From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:46 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS



For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines and rising prices for
gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
information that you personally know to be factual. So here are the facts
from the Northern Suburbs of Chicago, where our gas prices are among the
highest in the U.S. I reported yesterday that a gas station near my office
was at $2.09 for a gallon of premium on my way into work yesterday morning.
However, when I went out for lunch, the price had DROPPED to $1.99 per
gallon. After all the RUMORS yesterday and the fact that I had less than a
quarter of a tank of gas in my car, I was somewhat concerned. But at 5:00PM
that gas station near my office was STILL at $1.99 per gallon and to my
surprise, NO LINES! I figured that since I pass several gas stations on my
way home, I'd take a chance that the RUMORS were bulls**t and wait to fill
at the station near my home. Well, every gas station I passed had the same
pricing as in the morning and there were NO LINES to be seen. Finally, I
came to the gas station near my home, and the price of gas hadn't changed
and there were NO LINES, so I pulled in and filled up as usual. So for those
of you who are willing to pass rumors and join our enemies in battle, I
suggest you have an opportunity to leave the enemy and rejoin us  who are
lucky enough to live in the greatest land of all. And the way to do that is
to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
what could have been a real panic in the U.S.


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RE: NAV-CE updates

2001-09-12 Thread Heavner, Charlie

Title: RE: NAV-CE updates





This is a very interesting thread to me. Altho', I've not had the problem with not being able to get updated sigs from Symantec's FTP site, I would like to ask if you gentlemen implement any sort of signature testing procedure before letting your clients use the sigs?

Thank you,
Charlie Heavner
Systems Analyst
Desktop
Jefferson Pilot Financial



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:22 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: NAV-CE updates




I will help you with your problems but right now I am occupied with the
events.   I will send you my phone number in a private email and we can go
over your configuration.  Nav CE does not use Live Update.  The system
downloads the virus pattern updates from the Symantec ftp site, but the
software is only updated by cd.



  
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    aspca.org>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   
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    AM    
    Please respond    
    to "NT System 
    Admin Issues" 
  
  



I have a continuous fight with NAV-CE 7.5 trying to get definition
updates.  My main LiveUpdate Administrator faithfully downloads updates
each and every night (according to the logs).  Now, I have two
"servers".  From each one, I can go to the "support" area (in the console)
and download definitions.  I can even "run" the update.  However, each
server (as well as all the clients) still show the old definition on the
console (as well as on the NAV client app when opened).


I went through this back in AUG, so definitions went from early AUG to
22-AUG.  That's where they are now.  From the server consoles, I jump
through all the hoops to which I am pointed to force updates to both
servers and all clients.  The consoles claim to have updated them, but I
still see 22-AUG.  Furthermore, in the NAV logs and in the W2K Event Logs,
I NEVER see update errors!


One thing more - if from one of the consoles I try to run LiveUpdate
(looking to the LUAdministrator machine) from the NAV app, it goes through
the sequence "Looking for update", etc, then when it gets to "Installing
the update", it hangs.  The hour glass stays there, and the animation
continues indefinitely.  (In the Task Manager, I do not see it running as
an app, and I can't identify it as a process.  CPU and RAM usage are
low.)  Again, no change in definition versions.


Yes, I've looked through the books and the Symantec KB.  AAARRRGGGHHH!


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread MHR(Michael Ross)

Title: Message



Nostradamus' prediction on 
WW3:>>   "In the year of the new 
century and nine months,>   From the 
sky will come a great King of 
Terror...>   The sky will burn at 
forty-five degrees.>   Fire approaches 
the great new city...">   "In the city 
of york there will be a great 
collapse,>   2 twin brothers torn apart 
by chaos>   while the fortress falls 
the great leader will succumb>   third 
big war will begin when the big city is 
burning">>   - 
NOSTRADAMUS>>   He said this 
will be bigger than the previous 
two.>   2001 is the first year of the 
new century and this is the 9th 
month.>   New York is located at the 
41st degree Latitude.>

  
  -Original Message-From: RAMSEY, CAROLYN 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:47 
  AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: NewYork 
  Terrorist Attack
  This is an excellent article that I've shared with 
  my fellow IT staff members - makes me proud to be an American. 
  Carolyn 
  Ramsey Texoma HealthCare 
  System Denison, Tx MIS Support 903-416-4175 
  
-Original 
Message- From:   
Lefkovics, William [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent:   Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:13 PM To: NT 
System Admin Issues Subject:    RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack 
That is a famous article by one of 
Canada's best journalists.   
William   -Original 
Message-From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 
September 11, 2001 2:15 PMTo: NT System Admin 
IssuesSubject: Re: NewYork Terrorist AttackThis, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth 
sharing.  America: The Good 
Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given 
recently to aremarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon 
Sinclair,a Canadian television commentator.What follows is the full 
text of his trenchant remarks asprinted in the Congressional 
Record:  "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up 
for the Americans asthe most generous and possibly the least appreciated 
peopleon all the earth.Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, 
Britain and Italy werelifted out of the debris of war by the Americans 
who poured inbillions of dollars and forgave other billions in 
debts.None of these countries is today paying even the intereston 
its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in 
danger of collapsing in 1956, it was theAmericans who propped it up, and 
their reward was to be insultedand swindled on the streets of Paris. I 
was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is 
the United Statesthat hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American 
communitieswere flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The 
Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollarsinto 
discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries arewriting 
about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see 
just one of those countries that is gloating overthe erosion of the 
United States dollar build its own airplane.Does any other country in 
the world have a plane to equalthe Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed 
Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?If so, why don't they fly them?Why do 
all the International lines except Russia fly 
AmericanPlanes? Why does no other land on earth even 
consider putting a man orwoman on the moon?You talk about Japanese 
technocracy, and you get radios.You talk about German technocracy, and 
you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and 
you find men on themoon-not once, but several times-and safely home 
again.You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs rightin 
the store window for everybody to look at. Even their 
draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They arehere on our streets, 
and most of them, unless they are breakingCanadian laws, are getting 
American dollars from ma and pa at hometo spend here. When 
the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking downthrough age, 
it was the Americans who rebuilt them.When the Pennsylvania Railroad and 
the New York Central went broke,nobody loaned them an old 
caboose.Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times 
when the Americans raced to the help ofother people in trouble. Can you 
name me even one time whensomeone else raced to the Americans in 
trouble?I don't think there was outside help even during the San 
Franciscoearthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and 
I'm one Canadian who isdamned tired of hearing them get kicked 
around.They will come out of this thing with their flag high.And 
when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose atthe lands that are 
gloating over their present troubles. I hopeCanada is not one of 
those."  Stand proud, America!

  - Original Message - From: Luke Brum

RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS

2001-09-12 Thread

Title: RE: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS





In downstate Champaign, IL, it is at an all-time high of $4.45 a gallon for 87 octane on N. Mattis Avenue.  Mobil Super Pantries have left all prices unchanged at around $1.77/gallon.  All others raised prices about $.20/gallon.  Gougers!

-Original Message-
From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 08:46
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RUMORS CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS AND LINES AT GAS STATIONS



For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines and rising prices for
gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
information that you personally know to be factual. So here are the facts
from the Northern Suburbs of Chicago, where our gas prices are among the
highest in the U.S. I reported yesterday that a gas station near my office
was at $2.09 for a gallon of premium on my way into work yesterday morning.
However, when I went out for lunch, the price had DROPPED to $1.99 per
gallon. After all the RUMORS yesterday and the fact that I had less than a
quarter of a tank of gas in my car, I was somewhat concerned. But at 5:00PM
that gas station near my office was STILL at $1.99 per gallon and to my
surprise, NO LINES! I figured that since I pass several gas stations on my
way home, I'd take a chance that the RUMORS were bulls**t and wait to fill
at the station near my home. Well, every gas station I passed had the same
pricing as in the morning and there were NO LINES to be seen. Finally, I
came to the gas station near my home, and the price of gas hadn't changed
and there were NO LINES, so I pulled in and filled up as usual. So for those
of you who are willing to pass rumors and join our enemies in battle, I
suggest you have an opportunity to leave the enemy and rejoin us  who are
lucky enough to live in the greatest land of all. And the way to do that is
to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
what could have been a real panic in the U.S.


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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Harry_Campbell



Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49, $159.


   
 
"Kevin Miller" 
 

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Prices 
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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : >

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From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


-Original Message-
From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted "no gas left" signs and
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RE: OT? perspective of events

Title: RE: OT? perspective of events





FYI.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21516.html Echelon exists and is in use
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21626.html FBI using Carnivore listening boxes on the net.





-Original Message-
From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 14:51
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events



I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I think some of it may
be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation basically can be
recorded based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think that the same
type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most.  I think
though, that if we were all told the extent of "spying" that the FBI already
does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I almost think
that things like that are better off kept silent.  "what the people don't
know won't hurt them" type of attitude.  It's gonna get really interesting
for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a bit of a bumpy
ride.


As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the horrible acts
that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be affected by this
dastardly deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to those who have
experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at what happened.  At
the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and wise decisions
in the aftermath of what has happened.


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


 -Original Message-
From:   Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:    OT? perspective of events


My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.


Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy.  As
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asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.


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RE: windows 2000 Backup program

2001-09-12 Thread David James

Have you tried Partition Magic to see what it shows?

-Original Message-
From: Gareth Campling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: windows 2000 Backup program

Hi group

i'm confused on this one, got a windows 200 machine with 2
drives both drives having 2 paritions, trying to back up 5.5GB of data
from HD2 to a partition on HD1 that has 7.7GB free space using
NTBackup so that i can use convert.exe on hd2 and convert it to a NTFS
drive as its fat32 at the moment, but when i run the backup it gets to
about 4.5GB and says out of space on target device, but as my maths
can see its got plenty of space ? any answers would be great.

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Re: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

What rumors???  Be glad you didn't have enough gas to experience the rude 
and cruelty of downstate!

Supposedly prices are now only slightly higher than yesterday, but the long 
lines to get $3 gas before it went to $5 were REAL!  I saw it myself in the 
Urbana area, and the Peoria paper says the same happened in Bloomington and 
Peoria.

Be thankful it didn't happen in CHI, and watch your tone.  Thanks!

At 08:46 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines

[snip]

>  and rising prices for
>gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
>information that you personally know to be factual.

[snip]

>to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
>what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

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RE: Win2K Pro client / NT domain Account Lockouts

2001-09-12 Thread Heavner, Charlie

Great
info Robert.
Thanks
again, Charlie
Jefferson Pilot Financial

-Original Message-From: Muncy, Robert
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September
10, 2001 4:40 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Win2K Pro client / NT domain Account Lockouts
Did
the hotfix and the went to SP2. Much better now. But still not
perfect.
Robert

-Original Message-From: Heavner, Charlie
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, September
10, 2001 4:33 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE:
Win2K Pro client / NT domain Account Lockouts
we
bumped ours up from 3 tries and that seems to have helped. Have you applied
the update to msgina.dll or did you just go straight to Win2K Pro SP2? I
want to recreate the problem before I apply the patch so that I know the
patch really fixed the problem. I can't seem to get a PC to lock more than
once. I'm hoping that I can lock one consistently.
Once again, thanks for your
input,
Charlie

-Original Message-From: Muncy, Robert
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday,
September 10, 2001 1:21 PMTo: NT System Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Win2K Pro client / NT domain Account
Lockouts
I have been battling this one for a awhile,we run a very small
password lock out time frame (3 tries), which is a killer in W2K because
of the Kerbosos issue. ( every password attempt by a users counts as
two, one to the Sam and one via kerbosos!).
In addational I know that it seems to effect users more after they
change password and do not log out and log back in.
Good luck
Robert Muncy
Sherman Financial Group

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday,
September 10, 2001 12:02 PMTo: NT System Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Win2K Pro client / NT domain Account
Lockouts
You Rock, Robert! I've been noodling around
this problem for awhile now and I'm testing out a MS Fix of the
msgina.dll. If that works, then I'll use it on the fly for my clients
that have this prob. Looks like I'm gonna have to rework our image
sooner than I wanted to and port in SP2...we're running
SP1.
Thanks,
Charlie

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday,
September 07, 2001 1:55 PMTo: NT System Admin
IssuesSubject: RE: Win2K Pro client / NT domain Account
Lockouts
I would check out Q263821 and
Q275508.
Robert
Muncy
Sherman Financial
Group
Network
Team

-Original Message-From: Heavner, Charlie
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday,
September 06, 2001 2:31 PMTo: NT System Admin
IssuesSubject: Win2K Pro client / NT domain Account
Lockouts
I'm
deploying Win2K Pro in a Mixed environment (WinNT
domain).
Randomly, Win2K Pro clients will experience
an Account Lockout.
I think
that it is an NTLMv2 replication problem across DCs but don't have a
good handle on how to prove it.
Anybody
ever experience this and how did you resolve it?
I've not
changed any of the default security settings in the LGPO on my
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aren't running any Win2K servers yet.
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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Phillips, Glen

Title: RE: OT? perspective of events



There's another item on The Register which puts the whole event into it's 
proper "international" perspective
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21615.html
 
 

  -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2001 
  14:59To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: OT? 
  perspective of events
  FYI. 
  http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/21516.html 
  Echelon exists and is in use http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21626.html 
  FBI using Carnivore listening boxes on the net. 
  -Original Message- From: 
  Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: 12 September 2001 14:51 To: NT 
  System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT? perspective of 
  events 
  I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I 
  think some of it may be warranted (we already know 
  that any phone conversation basically can be recorded 
  based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think that the same 
  type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by 
  most.  I think though, that if we were all told 
  the extent of "spying" that the FBI already does, 
  legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I almost 
  think that things like that are better off kept 
  silent.  "what the people don't know won't hurt 
  them" type of attitude.  It's gonna get really interesting 
  for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a 
  bit of a bumpy ride. 
  As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the 
  horrible acts that took place yesterday (no 
  relatives), we will all be affected by this dastardly 
  deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to those who have 
  experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at 
  what happened.  At the same time, let us pray 
  that our leaders make informed and wise decisions in 
  the aftermath of what has happened. 
  Ben Winzenz, MCSE Network/Systems 
  Administrator Peregrine Systems, Inc. 
   -Original Message- From: 
    Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent:   Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 
  AM To: NT System Admin 
  Issues Subject:    OT? perspective of 
  events 
  My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly 
  affected by these cowardly acts.  My thoughts 
  also go out to the millions of us indirectly affected. 
  Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in 
  recent months there has been considerable debate on 
  Carnivore (the FBI's electronic snooping tool).  
  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and 
  privacy.  As IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of 
  Carnivore changed?  I know if someone had asked 
  me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  
  Today, I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" 
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  activity. 
  Thoughts? 
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices

Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.

"Kevin Miller"

<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   
 cc:

09/11/2001 05:10 PM  Subject: RE: Attack
and Gas Prices 
Please respond to "NT

System Admin Issues"

Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : >

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices

Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.

-Original Message-
From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices

A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted "no gas left" signs and
that the avg price he's seen so far is $5 per gallon.

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RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread Jeff Pace

an hour or so east of San Francisco, here in northern Calif..

prices as usual.$1.75, $1.85, $1.95

slightly higher the closer you get to the city.

Jeff

-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 7:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

What rumors???  Be glad you didn't have enough gas to experience the rude 
and cruelty of downstate!

Supposedly prices are now only slightly higher than yesterday, but the long 
lines to get $3 gas before it went to $5 were REAL!  I saw it myself in the 
Urbana area, and the Peoria paper says the same happened in Bloomington and 
Peoria.

Be thankful it didn't happen in CHI, and watch your tone.  Thanks!

At 08:46 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines

[snip]

>  and rising prices for
>gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
>information that you personally know to be factual.

[snip]

>to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
>what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

[snip]

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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Harry_Campbell



The lowest the price got here in Savannah was $1.19 for 87 Octane.


   
 
"Kevin Miller" 
 

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 cc:   
 
09/12/2001 10:08 AM  Subject: RE: Attack and Gas 
Prices 
Please respond to "NT  
 
System Admin Issues"   
 
   
 
   
 




I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.




"Kevin Miller"


<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 cc:

09/11/2001 05:10 PM  Subject: RE: Attack
and Gas Prices
Please respond to "NT

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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : >

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


-Original Message-
From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted "no gas left" signs and
that the avg price he's seen so far is $5 per gallon.



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RE: Event ID 5781

Title: Message



turn 
off the forwarding. make one of the DDNS servers the primary. have all machines 
point to it as there primary, run netdiag /test:dns /fix against that server 
make sure DNS is working right. and play with the bind order on your servers 
that have more then one nic.

  
  -Original Message-From: Steve 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 
  6:33 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Event ID 
  5781
  I 
  sent this earlier, but I think it got lost in the messages from 
  yesterday.
   
  Does 
  anyone have a clue as to what causes the following event and how to keep it 
  from happening?  I found the write-up in the MS Knowledge base, but it 
  doesn't help much.
   
  Event ID: 5781
  Source: NETLOGON
   
  
  Dynamic registration or 
  deregistration of one or more DNS records failed because no DNS servers are 
  available.
  Data: : 2a 23 
  00 
  00   
  *#.. 
  I have 
  two Win 2K servers acting as general-purpose servers (DNS as 
  well) servers to the Internet for a number of domains.  All the DNS 
  zones on both servers are AD enabled.  The DNS servers have 
  forwarders enabled, which point to the DNS servers of my ISP.  The 
  servers have dual Ethernet connections: One Ethernet is on a segment 
  (209.42.32.x) which connects to the Internet via an SDSL line, the 
  other is on a back-end LAN (10.1.x.x).  Both servers are 
  connected to the SDSL segment and the back-end LAN.  Both servers are 
  hosting web, ftp (via IIS), and one server is hosting mail (via Exchange 
  5.5).  Everything seems to be running fine, but the event message is 
  troubling.
   
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RE: L. Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01

2001-09-12 Thread Banyas, Pat F. Civ

Title: Message



I concur with the 
nutcase label.
 
-Original Message-From: Flanagan, Kevin 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:57 
AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil Smith On 
Morning of Horror 9-11-01
While 
everyone here has their own issues, I'd really rather you keep nut cases and 
their agendas out of the list.
 
 
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C/S Planning Engineer 
III I/T 
Implementation Department Branch Banking & Trust Company 3261 Atlantic Avenue, Suite 116 
MC: 172-85-01-00 
Raleigh, NC  
27604 Voice: 
919-716-6209 

  
  -Original Message-From: Wendell Cotton 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
  6:54 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil 
  Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01
  I 
  agree.
  
-Original Message-From: Ron Brandon 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 
3:45 PMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: RE: L. Neil 
Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01
I don't think so at all.  He is merely warning of 
potential issues that would have monumental consequences should they come 
about.
-Original Message- From: 
Mier, Juan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:43 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: L. 
Neil Smith On Morning of Horror 9-11-01 
>  Hideously enough, my new 
novel _The American Zone_, > scheduled to be 
published next November by Tor Books, begins > 
with an act very similar to this one, carried out to force 
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RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread Murray Freeman

I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas stations
were gouging when things go back to normal. Those people are the enemy too!

Murray F.

-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

What rumors???  Be glad you didn't have enough gas to experience the rude 
and cruelty of downstate!

Supposedly prices are now only slightly higher than yesterday, but the long 
lines to get $3 gas before it went to $5 were REAL!  I saw it myself in the 
Urbana area, and the Peoria paper says the same happened in Bloomington and 
Peoria.

Be thankful it didn't happen in CHI, and watch your tone.  Thanks!

At 08:46 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines

[snip]

>  and rising prices for
>gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
>information that you personally know to be factual.

[snip]

>to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
>what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

[snip]

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RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread

Title: RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

Darn right they are!

-Original Message-
From: Murray Freeman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 09:14
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas stations
were gouging when things go back to normal. Those people are the enemy too!

Murray F.

-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

What rumors???  Be glad you didn't have enough gas to experience the rude 
and cruelty of downstate!

Supposedly prices are now only slightly higher than yesterday, but the long 
lines to get $3 gas before it went to $5 were REAL!  I saw it myself in the 
Urbana area, and the Peoria paper says the same happened in Bloomington and 
Peoria.

Be thankful it didn't happen in CHI, and watch your tone.  Thanks!

At 08:46 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>For those of you who posted RUMORS of gas lines

[snip]

>  and rising prices for
>gasoline, consider yourself part of OUR enemy. PLEASE, PLEASE post only
>information that you personally know to be factual.

[snip]

>to check the facts before posting erroneous information and contributing to
>what could have been a real panic in the U.S.

[snip]

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Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Praful . Patel


Hi,

Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
the Win2K IP addresses only?

Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.

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RE: A few thoughts on today's events

2001-09-12 Thread Tom Cass


On your second point  "What matters is why..."
I disagree.  Evil, and I think we might all agree that what happened was
evil,  will succeed if good and righteous people do nothing.

For all of your arguments to prevail  you must accept the premise that both
the perpetrator and the victims of these events are morally equivalent.   

I am willing to say that all nations who abhor terrorists and will not give
aid and comfort to them ARE morally superior  to those who do tolerate it.

Tom Cass
Personal opinions

  

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: A few thoughts on today's events


First:

Thanks to those outside of the US who have expressed concern and support. It
is much appreciated. I don't live anywhere near NYC, but as a US citizen and
a simple human being I am distraught by these events, and wish the best for
those who've been affected.

As usual, people across America have mostly responded by trying to comfort
and care for those who have been directly affected by the attack. It's not
for nothing that citizens of the US are known as the most generous in the
world, and the most practical.

Erik Goldoff's forwarded post from his IT director is spot on, and also much
appreciated.



Second:

It does not matter, in some senses, who did this. What matters is why it
happened. While steps do need to be taken to detect and punish the
perpetrators, this problem will not fade simply because the US will have
(probably) killed whoever did this. In many places across the world, the US
is hated, and with reason. The US government has since World War II been
instrumental in destabilizing many democratically elected regimes, and has
sided with tyrants and dictators, so long as they supported US foreign
policy, or were willing to be puppets. The main target for many years was
Communism, although after the Berlin wall fell the focus changed, and has
continued to change, to whatever enemy of the day is fixated upon.

Cuba, Iraq, Iran, Syria, North Korea, Afghanistan, Osama bin Laden, PFLP,
DFLP, etc., etc., etc. are all targets now, but whether now or in the past,
the US government has pursued its ends with means that are not in keeping
with the stated values that most Americans cherish and profess to believe.

American foreign policy has tried to direct events and attitudes across the
world, but it has often not had a coherent aim, usually trying simply to
keep a lid on various situations, or trying to reward those who have toed
our line. Its overseas agenda has been chaotic, perverse and inexplicable.
We will suffer more for it.

The easiest example is right now the most relevant - Israel and the
Palestinians.

I won't try to say who is right or wrong in that conflict, but suffice it to
say there is blame enough for both sides, and the US government has been
neck-deep in it. Worse, the US government has sent conflicting signals since
the beginning.

It's overly simplistic to say that we are hated because we have tried to be
the world's policeman. If we were only that, we would have far fewer
problems. The problem is that we are the corrupt cop on the world beat;
sometimes meddling where we shouldn't, sometimes turning a blind eye where
we shouldn't, often picking on the wrong party in a conflict, and in general
being ham-handed and incompetent in the patrolling of our self-appointed
rounds and the execution of our self-appointed duties.

I'll make one last point here, which has been stated elsewhere - I don't
believe that you can find a large terrorist attack anywhere that wasn't
sparked by some long-standing pattern of government interference where it
wasn't wanted and wasn't justified. If the US government hadn't elected
itself the world's policeman, this wouldn't have happened. Still on point,
if the US government hadn't been such a corrupt cop, this probably wouldn't
have happened, although it possibly might still have. That's harder to
discern. Whether or not we should be the world's policeman is a separate
matter, but if we must be, we should be a good cop, not a bad cop.


Third:

The fallout from this outside of realm of the immediate (i.e., our
military/political response to the actual attack) is going to take a long
time to see. Economically speaking, the WTC housed some really influential
firms, and major offices for many more. People are worrying about gas
prices, among other things. You should be aware that fluctuations in
commodity prices will fluctuate for a while, and that gold and oil prices
will rise for a while - mainly because they are real stores of value, and
are, er, liquid assets.

Longer term, there may be flight of capital from the US because of loss of
confidence in the security of the country. Or not. There may be serious
erosion of civil liberties. Or not. I'd bet on the former in each case, but
I hope for the latter. However, I believe that that the longer-term effects
will be

RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Luke Brumbaugh


I read about this.  It's a NT box running a kinda "Sniffer" software.
I have used sniffer, the log gets incredibly big in a short period of time.
So, the idea of scanning an ip address or email header for certain patterns
would only be possible.
Wiretaps are common, but you can only monitor so many phones at a time.
Same here with email and this Carnivore black box.  So you ask yourself, are
you doing something to be afraid of?
If not, then why worry, sniffer doesn't work well on switched networks and
as for internet, only terrorist and child pornographers have something to
worry about.


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From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I think some of it may
be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation basically can be
recorded based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think that the same
type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most.  I think
though, that if we were all told the extent of "spying" that the FBI already
does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I almost think
that things like that are better off kept silent.  "what the people don't
know won't hurt them" type of attitude.  It's gonna get really interesting
for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a bit of a bumpy
ride.

As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the horrible acts
that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be affected by this
dastardly deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to those who have
experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at what happened.  At
the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and wise decisions
in the aftermath of what has happened.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.

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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject:OT? perspective of events

My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in no way
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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

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either give them local admin access to their workstation or you can set up a local policy using the MMC.


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Hi,


Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
the Win2K IP addresses only?


Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.


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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Narkis, John


First of all I would like to express my heartfelt sadness for those who lost
friends, family and collegues to this disaster. May it be a reminder to all
Americans and other democratic countries around the world that there is a
REAL threat to freedom and capitolism, and the need for a strong military
presence is necessary, for no other reason that to be used as a deterrant
for such activity in the future. May we also not forget the loss of military
personel in the Pentagon, who by the nature of thier job put themselves at
risk everyday to defend us against these kinds of threats. While they may
not have been able to forsee this attack, who can know how many countless
attempts were foiled by our intelligence agencies. May we all stand united
behind our president and country to see us through such a horrible and
devistating tragedy. While everybody agrees that some sort of response is
warranted, let us not forget that part of the responsibility of being the
only superpower in the world carries the burden of not responding in the
same cowardly fashon. We need to have a swift and deliberate response to
this, but also be sure that those who are targeted are those who are
responsible. America has to display discipline in this kind of situatuion
not a knee jerk reaction that would reflect the acts of a 3 year old having
a tantrom.

As for mail sniffing I am in total opposition to this kind of technology to
be in use. This steps on the very fringes that makes this country free. The
thing that worries me the most is the ramifications of such systems being in
use, it could easily be turned against us if they were to fall into the
wrong hands. It "could" also lead to unwarranted harrassment for those that
are undeserving. Just as in military operations, I'm sure that if email was
used as a tool for communications to coordinate something like what happened
yesterday, I'd bet that cryptic messages were sent between parties that were
involved so that even if there were a method in place to ping on key words,
that kind of traffic would probably never be caught. I would also suspect
that even if messages were intercepted, the amount of time and resources
necessary to read them, figure out if it's real or not and then react on it
will most likely be to late.

No matter how you look at this those who are determined to do things as we
all witnessed yesterday will stop at nothing. It is very difficult to defend
against that kind of determination, especially when the idea is to take as
many lives a possible as a result.


One other note.. Gas prices here have remained stable, 

1.30 for 87
1.41 for 89
1.52 for 93

May God console those in thier loss and bless this country as we deal with
this tragic course of events. Admist all this devistation and destruction is
was nice to see those out there helping each other where they can. 


John 




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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT? perspective of events


My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly affected by these
cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us indirectly
affected.

Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - in recent months
there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and privacy.  As
IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know if someone had
asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against Carnivore.  Today,
I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my email looking
for suspicious activity.

Thoughts?

BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic discussion, in no way
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Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Jackson


Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


TIA,
Rab.
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RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?


But the message of "Compassionate Conservatism" is supposed to let these 
station owners do that...

At 09:15 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Darn right they are!
>
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>I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas stations
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Eric Larsen


1.68 / 1.78 / 1.88 is the best pricing here in Oregon, US. (same as Monday)
filled up this AM.. only seeing a few stations raising prices (.10 or so) I
also heard that there is a pipeline shut down somewhere on the West Coast.  

-Eric Larsen


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Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices



The lowest the price got here in Savannah was $1.19 for 87 Octane.


 

"Kevin Miller"


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I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

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Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.




"Kevin Miller"


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and Gas Prices
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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : >

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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted "no gas left" signs and
that the avg price he's seen so far is $5 per gallon.



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More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



Chris Bodnar
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
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'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Jang Man


That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably in WWI 
and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they need from rest 
of us.
 
It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also agree with 
Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power and strenght has been 
misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire which is responsible for world 
injustice and exploatation. But America didn't invent current monetary and economic 
system. America is just taking advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and 
this is called bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because 
they are just doing bussiness.
 
It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it was 
dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time something like "I 
don't care who is in power as long as I controll the bank". He, who issues the money, 
has all the power over the rest, by controlling interest rate and value of money.
 
One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad more 
devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically change current 
monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make this world 
better place to live while based on current economic foundations. There will always be 
huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and tensions based on national/religious 
and other excuses. But basically, it's economic struggle. 
 
I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at the end of 
Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am mistaken.
 
jang
 
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Posted To: NTSysAdmin
Conversation: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack


This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing. 
 
 
America: The Good Neighbor. 
 
Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a 
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, 
a Canadian television commentator. 
What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as 
printed in the Congressional Record: 
 
 
"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as 
the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people 
on all the earth. 
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were 
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in 
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. 
None of these countries is today paying even the interest 
on its remaining debts to the United States. 
 
When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the 
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted 
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. 
 
When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States 
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities 
were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. 
 
The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars 
into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are 
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. 
 
I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over 
the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. 
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal 
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? 
If so, why don't they fly them? 
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American 
Planes? 
 
Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or 
woman on the moon? 
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. 
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. 
 
You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the 
moon-not once, but several times-and safely home again. 
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right 
in the store window for everybody to look at. 
 
Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are 
here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking 
Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home 
to spend here. 
 
When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down 
through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. 
When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, 
nobody loaned them an old caboose. 
Both are still broke. 
 
I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of 
other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when 
someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? 
I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco 
earthquake. 
 
Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is 
damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. 
They wi

RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Flanagan, Kevin

Title: Message



How 
about runas, and hide the script some?
 
 
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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

2001-09-12 Thread Benjamin Winzenz


I can't remember if being a member of the "Power Users" group allows them to
change this.  Maybe something to try.

Ben Winzenz, MCSE
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Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

Title: RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators





it has nothing to do with domain rights. It's the local rights in the local admin group on the OS you need to change.



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To: NT System Admin Issues
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I can't remember if being a member of the "Power Users" group allows them to
change this.  Maybe something to try.


Ben Winzenz, MCSE
Network/Systems Administrator
Peregrine Systems, Inc.


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Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
the Win2K IP addresses only?


Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
requires admin rights which I do not want to do.


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RE: A few thoughts on today's events

2001-09-12 Thread Jesse E. Gardner


Mr. Dionne,

Do you actually believe everything that you've just written?

Especially these sections:

Many times details of the politics behind situations are kept quiet, but
overall I think we are given the straight scoop by government and the media.
It is always good to question what we are told, and our press does that very
well.

I adamantly disagree that we are the bad cop on the beat.  Many look upon
the US badly because of our status in the world.  We are active and support
American Interests around the world to protect ourselves, as well as foster
world peace and stability.  Using the phrase "under the yoke of the US" is
propaganda.  We have no national purpose of holding other nations down for
powers sake.  There is no yoke of the US.

Sir, with all due respect, you are either sheltered from life itself and
don't get out much.  Or you're too young to be involved in a discussion like
this.  But you're definitely uninformed if you dismiss all of Mr. Buff's
comments as "X-file-ish."

Mr. Dionne, do you why the US bombed Japan during WWII?  Sir, do you know
the real reason we went to the defense of Kuwait?

I am not going to get into a debate with you about these things.  A simple
yes or no will suffice with me.  As I respectfully do not place much
credence in an Americans' opinion (yours), who appears to be blinded with
'love of his country.'


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From:   Carl Dionne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:RE: A few thoughts on today's events

Kurt,

US foreign policy over time fluctuates due to the differing opinions of the
political party who happens to be in power and to some degree of public
opinion.  Your characterization of events in the past are almost
"X-File-ish."  Sure US policy has not always been correct, we make mistakes
like every other country. Fighting the Soviet Union we had to sometimes
choose stability over more democratic opposition.  Your comments imply some
sort of conspiracy in hiding or coloring historical events like JFK, etc.
Many times details of the politics behind situations are kept quiet, but
overall I think we are given the straight scoop by government and the media.
It is always good to question what we are told, and our press does that very
well.

We support Israel because it is the right thing to do.  But, we also support
a Palestinian state.  It is up to them to come to terms however.  In the
modern world the US has to be engaged in the world or pay the consequences.
This means making decisions on what governments to support, taking or not
taking military action, etc.  In general the US government and it's people
(us) support and respect the world's diversity.  We may preach, but we do
not conquer.

I adamantly disagree that we are the bad cop on the beat.  Many look upon
the US badly because of our status in the world.  We are active and support
American Interests around the world to protect ourselves, as well as foster
world peace and stability.  Using the phrase "under the yoke of the US" is
propaganda.  We have no national purpose of holding other nations down for
powers sake.  There is no yoke of the US.

I know there are points of view at odds with the United States, but we have
to stand up for our interests and principles.  The bottom line is we cannot
please everyone, but we have to make the effort to live with everyone in the
world.  Being strong and outspoken in the world, is enough of a cause for
other nations and peoples to be resentful of the US. The major cause of
today's events is the clash of Western and Islamic culture.  There should be
room enough for all of us.  But it is not the United States who is turn this
into an "us against them" argument.  In fact the political use of "Jihad"
really does a great disservice to Islam.

What it comes down to is we must fight for freedom, even if it appears we
are the bully of the world.  Just imagine the current government of China
were in charge, and see who would complain than.


Mahalo

Carl


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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 3:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: A few thoughts on today's events


First:

Thanks to those outside of the US who have expressed concern and support. It
is much appreciated. I don't live anywhere near NYC, but as a US citizen and
a simple human being I am distraught by these events, and wish the best for
those who've been affected.

As usual, people across America have mostly responded by trying to comfort
and care for those who have been directly affected by the attack. It's not
for nothing that citizens of the US are known as the most generous in the
world, and the most practical.

Erik Goldoff's forwarded post from his IT director is spot on, and al

RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Jackson


Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-

Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
running RAS.

Client: Microsoft Windows 98.

No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.


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Rab.
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread John Hanks


There are a number of problems you leave out. First, I have sniffed a
switched network before and it is not that hard. You need only overflow
a switch with more bogus MAC addresses than it can handle and suddenly
you have a hub. Even without any effort my snort box picks up loads of
traffic it "shouldn't" behind two switches. You can probably assume you
are safe from sniffing behind a router, unless there is a compromised
box behind it with you.

Second, you may have plenty to be afraid of. If someone sends you an
html mail with a linked image from a child porn site, by having it open
by accident in a preview window you could suddenly be catogorized as a
child porn viewer by some automatic tool. I have had several very
disturbed and concerned users contact me about incidents like this with
html mail.

I have no worries about reactions to this tragedy as I beleive that the
vast majority of indivuals have good intentions even if their actions
aren't perfect. What I worry about are overreactions. I woke up today
much angrier than I was yesterday and I can think of some pretty
horrible overreactions that I might be willing to support in the
aftermath of the attacks. One can only hope that the leaders of my
country and others have a better handle on their emotions than the
general population. 

jbh



> -Original Message-
> From: Luke Brumbaugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:29 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
> 
> 
> I read about this.  It's a NT box running a kinda "Sniffer" software.
> I have used sniffer, the log gets incredibly big in a short 
> period of time.
> So, the idea of scanning an ip address or email header for 
> certain patterns
> would only be possible.
> Wiretaps are common, but you can only monitor so many phones 
> at a time.
> Same here with email and this Carnivore black box.  So you 
> ask yourself, are
> you doing something to be afraid of?
> If not, then why worry, sniffer doesn't work well on switched 
> networks and
> as for internet, only terrorist and child pornographers have 
> something to
> worry about.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Benjamin Winzenz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events
> 
> 
> I don't know how I feel about stuff like that yet.  I think 
> some of it may
> be warranted (we already know that any phone conversation 
> basically can be
> recorded based on a myriad of words that are said).  I think 
> that the same
> type of thing monitoring e-mail would not be noticed by most.  I think
> though, that if we were all told the extent of "spying" that 
> the FBI already
> does, legally or illegally, we probably would be shocked.  I 
> almost think
> that things like that are better off kept silent.  "what the 
> people don't
> know won't hurt them" type of attitude.  It's gonna get 
> really interesting
> for a while here.  As someone else said, we are in for a bit 
> of a bumpy
> ride.
> 
> As a side note, although I was not directly affected by the 
> horrible acts
> that took place yesterday (no relatives), we will all be 
> affected by this
> dastardly deed for a long time to come.  My heart goes out to 
> those who have
> experienced a loss.  Even today, I still am in shock at what 
> happened.  At
> the same time, let us pray that our leaders make informed and 
> wise decisions
> in the aftermath of what has happened.
> 
> Ben Winzenz, MCSE
> Network/Systems Administrator
> Peregrine Systems, Inc.
> 
>  -Original Message-
> From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
> To:   NT System Admin Issues
> Subject:  OT? perspective of events
> 
> My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly 
> affected by these
> cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of us 
> indirectly
> affected.
> 
> Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions - 
> in recent months
> there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
> snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure 
> we Americans
> are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom and 
> privacy.  As
> IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know 
> if someone had
> asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against 
> Carnivore.  Today,
> I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my 
> email looking
> for suspicious activity.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic 
> discussion, in no way
> am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all 
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices

2001-09-12 Thread Patrick Smallwood



OK,

As far as I know, there were no refineries hit yesterday (yes, this is the
little picture). Any dramatic increase in prices, as already mentioned, can
only be considered price gouging. Surely these stores are small ones owned
by people who are looking to take advantage of this tragedy?? Who owns
them? I cant imagine Chevron/Texaco/Mobile doing this (not that they
wouldn't in a different circumstance).

If gas does goes that high, I will no longer be taking my laptop home at
night, because I will be riding to work. I refuse to support such anti
American activity...Plus it will force me to ride my bike more...

 Pat




   

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The lowest the price got here in Savannah was $1.19 for 87 Octane.



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I was paying 1.10 in GA last month when I was there.

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Prices here in Savannah, GA are still the same as well: $1.39, $1.49,
$159.




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Buy me 50 gallons, fax it to me .. I will sell it we can split the
profit : >

-Original Message-
From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 4:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Wow.

I looked outside.

Still $1.42/1.52/1.62 here in Las Vegas, NV.


-Original Message-
From: Witt, Michael S [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 1:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Attack and Gas Prices


A guy in our office (little rock, AR) got a call from a friend who owns
a gas station, saying that Texaco HQ had sent out messages to prepare
for a price change to take effect as early as this afternoon, and to
expect the price to be at least double current.

20 min later (10 min ago) our secretary gets a call from her husband
reporting that gas lines are around the corner at over 7 stations he's
tried to stop at, 2 stations had already posted "no gas left" signs and
that the avg price he's seen so far is $5 per gallon.



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Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Bartolini



There are a couple towns not far from me where they are celebrating in the
streets over the incident.
I know this is the greatest country to live in. Where else could you see
thousands of people die and hold a rally without being arrested.

The simple fact is there are individuals in our country who are here to reap
the benefits and give nothing back. If it were not true, they would not work
so hard to get here.

I feel that if you do not want to contribute you should leave.
And that goes for anyone no matter who you are.

Forgive me for being so blunt..

David


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From: "Jang Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably
in WWI and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they
need from rest of us.

It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also
agree with Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power
and strenght has been misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire
which is responsible for world injustice and exploatation. But America
didn't invent current monetary and economic system. America is just taking
advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and this is called
bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because they
are just doing bussiness.

It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it
was dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time
something like "I don't care who is in power as long as I controll the
bank". He, who issues the money, has all the power over the rest, by
controlling interest rate and value of money.

One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad
more devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically
change current monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make
this world better place to live while based on current economic foundations.
There will always be huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and
tensions based on national/religious and other excuses. But basically, it's
economic struggle.

I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at
the end of Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am
mistaken.

jang

-Original Message-
From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:15 PM
Posted To: NTSysAdmin
Conversation: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack


This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.


America: The Good Neighbor.

Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a
remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair,
a Canadian television commentator.
What follows is the full text of his trenchant remarks as
printed in the Congressional Record:


"This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as
the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people
on all the earth.
Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were
lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in
billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts.
None of these countries is today paying even the interest
on its remaining debts to the United States.

When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the
Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted
and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it.

When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States
that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities
were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped.

The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars
into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are
writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans.

I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over
the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane.
Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal
the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
If so, why don't they fly them?
Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American
Planes?

Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or
woman on the moon?
You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios.
You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles.

You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the
moon-not once, but several times-and safely home again.
You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right
in the store window for everybody to look at.

Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are
here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking
Canadian laws, are

Access 2000/Win 2kPro combination

2001-09-12 Thread Charles Whitby


(If this is OT a bit, please direct me to the right group.)

I have an Access 2000 database used by several people that resides on an NT4
Server.  Some of its tables are linked to tables in another database on
another NT4 server.  Users on desktops using Win98 can access and add
records to the database with no problems.  Users on W2K machines get the
message "MS Access has generated errors and will be closed by Windows.  You
will need to restart the program. An error log is being created."

Running the rebuild/compact utilities didn't help.  

Anyone have any suggestions? (and, by the way, anyone know where those
"error logs" might be?)

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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

Nice to know we are still willing to assist those that send out 12-line 
disclaimers on their mail!

Anyway, the "local" vs "domain" is probably not the issue here.  Making Joe 
User a local admin should keep the domain recourses "safe".  However, he is 
still free to cause serious damage to the local machine, and I believe this 
is the concern of the original post.

A local "account manager" can add a workstation to a domain and remove it 
afterward.  Might an account manager be able to change IP information as 
well (or could it be granted under advanced user rights)?

At 03:46 PM 9/12/2001 +0100, you wrote:

>it has nothing to do with domain rights. It's the local rights in the 
>local admin group on the OS you need to change.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Benjamin Winzenz 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>I can't remember if being a member of the "Power Users" group allows them to
>change this.  Maybe something to try.
>--
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
>the Win2K IP addresses only?
>
>Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
>require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
>requires admin rights which I do not want to do.

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Re: OT: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread Owsley, Kenneth


Not me.  But I just visited Cisco and looked at their "IP Phones".  They
are hot, hot, hot.  If you get a chance, look at them.

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RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


Robert,

What version of Win 98? What version of the DUN client? Is this limited to
one client, or have you tried this with other clients?



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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-

Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
running RAS.

Client: Microsoft Windows 98.

No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.


HTH,
Rab.
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From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


More information would help:

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RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


TIA,
Rab.
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RE: Attack and Gas Prices


Good luck!  As someone that bicycles 5000-7000+ miles each year (commuting 
whenever possible), I often get the feeling that those that get gouged at 
the gas station consider bicycling to be "Anti-American".  Weird but true!

>If gas does goes that high, I will no longer be taking my laptop home at
>night, because I will be riding to work. I refuse to support such anti
>American activity...Plus it will force me to ride my bike more...


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Re: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

2001-09-12 Thread Bartolini


Any crazy hikes in the gas prices should ceritfy the closing of that
business.
There is no reason for an increase from $1.59 to 4-5 dollars per gallon.

- Original Message -
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> But the message of "Compassionate Conservatism" is supposed to let these
> station owners do that...
>
> At 09:15 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Darn right they are!
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >
> >I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas
stations
> >were gouging when things go back to normal. Those people are the enemy
too!
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Jang Man


There's nothing to forgive you. You didn't kill or assault anyone. I gave all the 
credits and support to all Americans. I just gave my observations as I see the world 
from other angle.

jang

-Original Message-
From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:58 PM
Posted To: NTSysAdmin
Conversation: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack



There are a couple towns not far from me where they are celebrating in the
streets over the incident.
I know this is the greatest country to live in. Where else could you see
thousands of people die and hold a rally without being arrested.

The simple fact is there are individuals in our country who are here to reap
the benefits and give nothing back. If it were not true, they would not work
so hard to get here.

I feel that if you do not want to contribute you should leave.
And that goes for anyone no matter who you are.

Forgive me for being so blunt..

David


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Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack


That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably
in WWI and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they
need from rest of us.

It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also
agree with Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power
and strenght has been misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire
which is responsible for world injustice and exploatation. But America
didn't invent current monetary and economic system. America is just taking
advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and this is called
bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because they
are just doing bussiness.

It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it
was dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time
something like "I don't care who is in power as long as I controll the
bank". He, who issues the money, has all the power over the rest, by
controlling interest rate and value of money.

One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad
more devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically
change current monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make
this world better place to live while based on current economic foundations.
There will always be huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and
tensions based on national/religious and other excuses. But basically, it's
economic struggle.

I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at
the end of Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am
mistaken.

jang


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RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

Title: RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

well if you don't trust your users, and in most cases you shouldn't ;) You can set-up a group policy for that user on the local machine. Might take a bit of configuration though, hence I would go with the quick and dirty local rights.

-Original Message-
From: Richard McClary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:54
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Win2000 IP Change by Non-Administrators

Nice to know we are still willing to assist those that send out 12-line 
disclaimers on their mail!

Anyway, the "local" vs "domain" is probably not the issue here.  Making Joe 
User a local admin should keep the domain recourses "safe".  However, he is 
still free to cause serious damage to the local machine, and I believe this 
is the concern of the original post.

A local "account manager" can add a workstation to a domain and remove it 
afterward.  Might an account manager be able to change IP information as 
well (or could it be granted under advanced user rights)?

At 03:46 PM 9/12/2001 +0100, you wrote:

>it has nothing to do with domain rights. It's the local rights in the 
>local admin group on the OS you need to change.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Benjamin Winzenz 
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>I can't remember if being a member of the "Power Users" group allows them to
>change this.  Maybe something to try.
>--
>Hi,
>
>Does anyone know of a way to let regular users (non administrators) change
>the Win2K IP addresses only?
>
>Basically my laptop users travel to offices which do not all use DHCP hence
>require manual IP change. I am able to use netsh to change the IP but this
>requires admin rights which I do not want to do.

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Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Jay Woody


>> We all won the war...
>> The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
>> We all lost people in WWII.

The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not boding well 
for ALL of Europe.  Numerous countries were defeated and had already surrendered.  
Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win as many of the 
"teams" had already left the playing field.  And it obviously wasn't going well before 
America got involved.  This goes back to the point that America does care about it's 
"neighbors".  "We all won the war..." seems a little flippant and not in understanding 
with what was going on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning the 
war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil.  Europeans were 
fighting to protect themselves.  Americans were fighting for Europeans, our 
"neighbors".  To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) had 
happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.

>> To take credit for winning it, that seems a bit shallow. Just 
>> a thought.

Unless you really did and then to have those that you saved claim otherwise seems 
equally so.  Just a thought.

>> It is my deepest wish that the perpertrators of the horror 
>> which befell america today have the deadly results rained 
>> upon them a thousandfold in return.

Thanks, I don't hope for the whole thousandfold thing, but I wouldn't mind seeing us 
turn our back on some of the countries that we have saved in the past, that are now 
celebrating our crisis.  If you kill ben Laden, another will take his place.  This 
country and this world must change drastically (and with some help from our imaginary 
friend) to prevent things like this.  I am all for punishing the ones that did this, 
but I would like us to focus equally on preventing it in the future.

However, my family that was up there didn't die though, so I might feel differently if 
that had occurred.  :(

JayW

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>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
>
>

>Second of all, this kind of negates your earlier point about 
> America not giving a crap.  I'm trying to remember, who pulled 
> Europe back from the precipice?  Who sent there boys over to 
> die on foreign soil in unprecedented numbers?  Who won the 
> war?  France?  Canada?  I think not.

We all won the war...
The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
We all lost people in WWII.

To take credit for winning it, that seems a bit shallow. Just a thought.

It is my deepest wish that the perpertrators of the horror which befell
america today have the deadly results rained upon them a thousandfold in
return.



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RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Title: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN





oops didn't see clients: windows 98



-Original Message-
From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:58
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN



Robert,


What version of Win 98? What version of the DUN client? Is this limited to
one client, or have you tried this with other clients?




Chris Bodnar
The Lehigh Group
610-966-9702 X:134


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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


Hi Chris,


Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-


Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
    running RAS.


Client: Microsoft Windows 98.


No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.



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More information would help:


What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?




Chris Bodnar
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Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


Hi All,


I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-


'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.


Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?



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ADSL query

2001-09-12 Thread Brian Judge


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GPO question...

2001-09-12 Thread Bob Chyka




Hello alljust trying to get out of a state of 
disbelief and trying to break back into work state of mind.  my prayers are 
with any of you who were affected in any way by what took place 
yesterday
 
on a less important note:  is there any way to 
copy a group policy from one OU to another...(instead of going through the 
settings again).  i know there is a pretty good third party toll out there, 
but is there any way of doing it with windows 2000 builtin 
functions?
 
thank you..
 
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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Horst Hinz


OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my
history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure
they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until
someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America
was fighting for itself as well.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


>> We all won the war...
>> The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
>> We all lost people in WWII.

The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not
boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous countries were defeated and had
already surrendered.  Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't
responsible for that win as many of the "teams" had already left the playing
field.  And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved.
This goes back to the point that America does care about it's "neighbors".
"We all won the war..." seems a little flippant and not in understanding
with what was going on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all
winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil.
Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  Americans were fighting for
Europeans, our "neighbors".  To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the
terrorist attack) had happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.

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RE: "RUMORS" CONCERNING THE PRICE OF GAS?

I think some conservatives would say that it's not the government's
position to tell a vendor what he can or can't charge for his products
or services. If a vendor chooses to charge obscene rates, he should have
the freedom to do so. By the same token, consumers have the freedom to
never spend a single penny with that vendor again--thus driving him out
of business as punishment for his foolish pricing move. A conservative
might argue that we can protect ourselves in this situation by voting
with our wallets, and that we don't need government to step in and do it
for us.

John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 

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But the message of "Compassionate Conservatism" is supposed to let these

station owners do that...

At 09:15 AM 9/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:

>Darn right they are!
>
>-Original Message-
>
>I hope you guys in the Bloomington? Peoria area remember which gas 
>stations were gouging when things go back to normal. Those people are 
>the enemy too!

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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Mier, Juan


Except that the US declared war on Japan only.  Germany and Italy
declared war on the US after that.

> -Original Message-
> From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:14 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
> OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but 
> if I remember my history correctly, America was sitting out 
> WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure they provided equipment to 
> the British, but Europe was on it's own until someone hit the 
> US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America 
> was fighting for itself as well.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
> >> We all won the war...
> >> The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
> >> We all lost people in WWII.
> 
> The point being here that until America entered into the 
> fray, it was not boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous 
> countries were defeated and had already surrendered.  Yes, we 
> all won the war, but we all weren't responsible for that win 
> as many of the "teams" had already left the playing field.  
> And it obviously wasn't going well before America got 
> involved. This goes back to the point that America does care 
> about it's "neighbors". "We all won the war..." seems a 
> little flippant and not in understanding with what was going 
> on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all winning 
> the war until America came over and gave it's kids for 
> foreign soil. Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  
> Americans were fighting for Europeans, our "neighbors".  To 
> now say that we wouldn't care if this (the terrorist attack) 
> had happened anywhere in the world  is just silly.
> 
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RE: ADSL query

2001-09-12 Thread Matt Wehnes


It will work, there's no difference between leased lines and ADSL.
I use a SDSL line to run my exchange box with out problems.
The IP address issues are public and VPN's can be set up.

Matt Wehnes 
System Administrator
Morton Machining & MFG



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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: ADSL query


ADSL has just been introduced in Ireland. I was in the process of installing
a leased line Internet connection with Worldcom, and discovered that ADSL
would be about 30% of the price. My one worry is IP address allocation. Does
anyone know if ADSL supports public Ips? IE, will my exchange server work?
Will my users be able to connect in via a VPN etc.?

Thanks,
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RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Stuart Tonge


absoloutely.
But consider why the us went into Europe - would you want to Have a Fascist
Nutter occupy europe and russia?
who would have been the next target?
go figure.


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From: Horst Hinz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


OK, I don't want to get into a huge debate or anything, but if I remember my
history correctly, America was sitting out WWII until Pearl Harbour.  Sure
they provided equipment to the British, but Europe was on it's own until
someone hit the US and THEIR security was threatened.  So in effect, America
was fighting for itself as well.

-Original Message-
From: Jay Woody [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: FW: NewYork Terrorist Attack


>> We all won the war...
>> The Allies. Their decendants. Those of us here.
>> We all lost people in WWII.

The point being here that until America entered into the fray, it was not
boding well for ALL of Europe.  Numerous countries were defeated and had
already surrendered.  Yes, we all won the war, but we all weren't
responsible for that win as many of the "teams" had already left the playing
field.  And it obviously wasn't going well before America got involved.
This goes back to the point that America does care about it's "neighbors".
"We all won the war..." seems a little flippant and not in understanding
with what was going on at the time.  I can tell you that we WEREN'T all
winning the war until America came over and gave it's kids for foreign soil.
Europeans were fighting to protect themselves.  Americans were fighting for
Europeans, our "neighbors".  To now say that we wouldn't care if this (the
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RE: GPO question...

2001-09-12 Thread daniel . gilbert




I can 
not say I know a lot about GPO's yet, (I have a feeling I will soon learn) but 
can't you create a link to GPO's??
 
Dan

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  8:10 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: GPO 
  question...
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  are with any of you who were affected in any way by what took place 
  yesterday
   
  on a less important note:  is there any way 
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Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Bartolini

My opinion was not direct towards you personally. Just those who beleive
they can destroy our way of life here and still enjoy it...

Thanks,
David

- Original Message -
From: "Jang Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

There's nothing to forgive you. You didn't kill or assault anyone. I gave
all the credits and support to all Americans. I just gave my observations as
I see the world from other angle.

jang

-Original Message-
From: Bartolini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Posted At: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:58 PM
Posted To: NTSysAdmin
Conversation: NewYork Terrorist Attack
Subject: Re: NewYork Terrorist Attack

There are a couple towns not far from me where they are celebrating in the
streets over the incident.
I know this is the greatest country to live in. Where else could you see
thousands of people die and hold a rally without being arrested.

The simple fact is there are individuals in our country who are here to reap
the benefits and give nothing back. If it were not true, they would not work
so hard to get here.

I feel that if you do not want to contribute you should leave.
And that goes for anyone no matter who you are.

Forgive me for being so blunt..

David

- Original Message -
From: "Jang Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "NT System Admin Issues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:37 AM
Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

That's true. Americans have saved our european butt many times, most notably
in WWI and WWII. And deserve all credits for that. And deserve all help they
need from rest of us.

It's not simply black and white world with good and bad guys. And I also
agree with Kevin's observations in his Perspective of events thread. Power
and strenght has been misused many times. Many people see USA as evil empire

which is responsible for world injustice and exploatation. But America
didn't invent current monetary and economic system. America is just taking
advatage of this system to it's fullest potential and this is called
bussiness. So many people don't think there is something wrong, because they
are just doing bussiness.

It's rooted in 18th century and was established by British empire while it
was dominant force in the world. One of Rotschilds said at that time
something like "I don't care who is in power as long as I controll the
bank". He, who issues the money, has all the power over the rest, by
controlling interest rate and value of money.

One economist predicted WWII in year 1918, just after end of WWI. Greater ad
more devastating war will occure in less than 25 years if we don't radically
change current monetary system. And it happend in less than 25 years.
It's a flaw by design. It's like house made of playing cards. We can't make
this world better place to live while based on current economic foundations.
There will always be huge differences, rich and poor and struggle and
tensions based on national/religious and other excuses. But basically, it's
economic struggle.

I don't see bright future here. For many years I feel like I am living at
the end of Roman empire and just observing it's inevitable end. I hope I am
mistaken.

jang

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RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

2001-09-12 Thread Robert Jackson


Hi Chris,

Windows 98 SE is installed on the client PC. I'm using the standard
Microsoft VPN Adapter software that comes with Win98 SE. Therefore
I'm not sure what you mean by the DUN client? Is this another additional
piece of software I should have loaded?


TIA,
Rab.
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:58
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


Robert,

What version of Win 98? What version of the DUN client? Is this limited to
one client, or have you tried this with other clients?



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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-

Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
running RAS.

Client: Microsoft Windows 98.

No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.


HTH,
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From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



Chris Bodnar
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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


TIA,
Rab.
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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Lentz, Wayne


Andrew is absolutely correct.  We should not give up even small measures  of
personal freedom for security.  Doing so would prove terrorism against the
US as a successful means of altering the American way of life, and thus
America itself.  We as a nation cannot allow that to happen.

Wayne Lentz


-Original Message-
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


~
In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.
~

To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism.  We lose what we
cherish, and that is freedom.  And many will accept this, because they
think it will be better -- but it won't.

A wise man once said:  "They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety." -- Benjamin Franklin


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>-Original Message-
>From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: OT? perspective of events
>
>
>My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly
>affected by these
>cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of
>us indirectly
>affected.
>
>Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions -
>in recent months
>there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
>snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure
>we Americans
>are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
>and privacy.  As
>IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know
>if someone had
>asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against
>Carnivore.  Today,
>I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my
>email looking
>for suspicious activity.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic
>discussion, in no way
>am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all
>for them.  Many
>of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like
>the off topic
>discussions - learn to use the delete key or setup a filter or rule.
>


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RE: ADSL query

2001-09-12 Thread Erik Brown


We are using ADSL in some of our stores here. They all have public IP's. The
one thing that you might want to consider, and it may be different with
worldcomm, is that most providers (especially ours) are still treating ADSL
like home connectivity and therefore are in no rush to fix problems.

Erik

-Original Message-
From: Brian Judge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: ADSL query


ADSL has just been introduced in Ireland. I was in the process of installing
a leased line Internet connection with Worldcom, and discovered that ADSL
would be about 30% of the price. My one worry is IP address allocation. Does
anyone know if ADSL supports public Ips? IE, will my exchange server work?
Will my users be able to connect in via a VPN etc.?

Thanks,
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RE: OT? perspective of events

2001-09-12 Thread Eric Brouwer


I, for one, would be willing to trade in some conveniences, but not
freedoms.  I would be totally fine with MUCH more heightened security at
airports.  Do you realize it is LEGAL to carry a knife with a 4" blade onto
a plane???  Because of people with pocket knives, my plane could get
hijacked.  I don't accept that.  On several occasions as I traveled,
security did not check what I put in the little dishes as I go through the
metal detector's.  I am asthmatic, and often carry an inhaler.  I could have
been mace, and I could have gotten it on board.  Delaying passengers even an
hour or two for every flight due to increased security checks is not much in
my mind to reduce the risk of this ever happening again.  Anywhere.

-Original Message-
From: Lentz, Wayne [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


Andrew is absolutely correct.  We should not give up even small measures  of
personal freedom for security.  Doing so would prove terrorism against the
US as a successful means of altering the American way of life, and thus
America itself.  We as a nation cannot allow that to happen.

Wayne Lentz


-Original Message-
From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT? perspective of events


~
In order to increase our security, I'm sure we Americans
are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
and privacy.
~

To me, this is the worse thing about terrorism.  We lose what we
cherish, and that is freedom.  And many will accept this, because they
think it will be better -- but it won't.

A wise man once said:  "They that can give up essential liberty to
obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
safety." -- Benjamin Franklin


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>-Original Message-
>From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:14 AM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: OT? perspective of events
>
>
>My sympathies and thoughts go out to everyone directly
>affected by these
>cowardly acts.  My thoughts also go out to the millions of
>us indirectly
>affected.
>
>Now to bring a slightly on-topic slant to the discussions -
>in recent months
>there has been considerable debate on Carnivore (the FBI's electronic
>snooping tool).  In order to increase our security, I'm sure
>we Americans
>are going to have to give up some of our personal freedom
>and privacy.  As
>IT pro's, has anyone's opinion of Carnivore changed?  I know
>if someone had
>asked me the question on Monday, I was adamantly against
>Carnivore.  Today,
>I'm willing to accept some software "black-box" scanning my
>email looking
>for suspicious activity.
>
>Thoughts?
>
>BTW - just because I am initiating a slightly on topic
>discussion, in no way
>am I suggesting that that the other threads stop.  I'm all
>for them.  Many
>of our list members are in NY and DC.  Those who don't like
>the off topic
>discussions - learn to use the delete key or setup a filter or rule.
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RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


Robert,

Take a look at this:

http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q285/1/89.ASP



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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi Chris,

Windows 98 SE is installed on the client PC. I'm using the standard
Microsoft VPN Adapter software that comes with Win98 SE. Therefore
I'm not sure what you mean by the DUN client? Is this another additional
piece of software I should have loaded?


TIA,
Rab.
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:58
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


Robert,

What version of Win 98? What version of the DUN client? Is this limited to
one client, or have you tried this with other clients?



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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the reply and my apologies for not being a bit
more informative. Hopefully this will rectify my lack of info:-

Server: Microsoft Windows NT4.0 Terminal Server Edition with SP6
running RAS.

Client: Microsoft Windows 98.

No errors are reported in the Event Viewer.


HTH,
Rab.
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Bodnar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 12 September 2001 15:36
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN


More information would help:

What SP level is the server?
RAS or RRAS?
What OS are the clients?
Any errors in Event Log on the RAS server?



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-Original Message-
From: Robert Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 10:29 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Cannot Get Connected Via VPN

Hi All,

I have a situation where we have remote users dialling an ISP to get onto
the Internet before using a PPTP VPN dial-up connection to gain access
to a Terminal Server running various applications. The problem I currently
am experiencing is that during the attempted connection to the VPN, the
following error occurs:-

'Error 629 you have been disconnected from the computer you dialled'. Once
at this point we have found that re-booting the remote pc/laptop sometimes
allows the user to log into the VPN.

Has anyone experienced this particular problem? If so could you shed some
light on possible causes and resolutions?


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Rab.
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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


On top of Revelation, the book of Daniel also makes for an interesting
read.

I'm not going to use this forum (or my employer's time) to proselytize.
I would just encourage those who do not believe that the Bible is the
word of God to maybe reconsider when Israel becomes involved in an
all-out war in the Middle East. If I'm wrong and the war never happens,
you can thumb your nose at me and laugh. But if I'm right and the war
DOES happen, grab yourself a Bible and start reading it with the state
of mind that it may not just be a book full of fiction after all.
Intellectuality and faith are not mutually exclusive.

That's all I'm going to say on the matter, so please withhold the flames
(unless you want to send them to me personally off the list).



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Taylor County School District
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Perry, FL 32347



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Western [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 7:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


Hi People,
I'd just like to express sadness to all the people in the US effected by
the attacks on US.  I think it's disgusting and should be punished.
While people everywhere are in a state of shock/uncertainty/fear it's
worth thinking about where each of us are going to spend our eternal
destiny.  The Bible predicts basically a World War 3 where everyone will
attack Israel and try to wipe them off the face off the earth...
Revelation is an interesting book to read through Have a good
day (and think about the following excert). Regards Matthew


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RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about

2001-09-12 Thread Jay Woody


Mentioning a prophecy is equated to killing 1,000's.  That seems rather "fanatical" to 
me.  Maybe we should lump you in there too huh?  Only fair right?

JayW

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/12/01 05:58AM >>>
Would just like to add my support from here in the UK. We are obviously
very close to the US in many ways and everybody I know, family and
colleagues alike, are shocked by the awful events of yesterday.

I hope that Bush is pragmatic in his repsonse and in finding the true
perpetrators before punishing them in the most severe manner. I certainly
feel that he will be acting on behalf of the civilised world in doing so,
obviously moreso the US but I live in London and also feel threatened by
such fanatics so I feel I am standing shoulder to shoulder with my US
friends in spirit.

As for all those biblical and Nostradamus predicitions, my own feelings
are that they are nearly as warped as those fanatics responsible for
yesterdays outrage, we are in control of our own destiny and have been
given the gift to shape it. The lunatics who committed yesterdays crime
are trying to bring us back to that 2000 year old level of Armageddon
prophecies and the like.

Condolences to you all in the US, 

James.



> Thanks for the expressions of support.  Means much to us, knowing that
> there are lots of others throughout the world who feel the pain, and are
> supportive.
> 
> Revelations, Armaggeddon, and Nostradamus have been on my mind lots
> today.
> 
> In the City of God there will be a great thunder,=20
> Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,=20
> while the fortress endures,=20
> the great leader will succumb
> 
> The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
> - Nostradamus 1654=20
> 
> 
> 
> Greg J. Ewy
> Trilogy Systems
> 515-964-9505
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> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Western [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 6:55 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about
> 
> 
> Hi People,
> I'd just like to express sadness to all the people in the US effected by
> the
> attacks on US.  I think it's disgusting and should be punished.  While
> people everywhere are in a state of shock/uncertainty/fear it's worth
> thinking about where each of us are going to spend our eternal destiny.
> The
> Bible predicts basically a World War 3 where everyone will attack Israel
> and
> try to wipe them off the face off the earth...  Revelation is an
> interesting
> book to read through
> Have a good day (and think about the following excert).
> Regards
> Matthew
> 

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RE: Voice over ip

Title: Message



Cisco 
is the only product I have and would use for this.

  
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  2001 10:48 AMTo: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: OT: 
  Voice over ip
  
  Anyone 
  doing VOIP ? Specifically using the MultiTech products? 
  
   
   
   
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RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack

2001-09-12 Thread Sankaranarayanan_Ganapathy


Lot of loss on the side of isreal also

> --
> From: Mikelist (E-mail)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Reply To: NT System Admin Issues
> Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:06 PM
> To:   NT System Admin Issues
> Subject:  RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> sort of like what Israel is doing by targeting the terrorist heads?
> everyone including some americans have condemned israel's actions but its
> really the only way.
>  
> 
> --
>  
> Michael D. Plotsker 
> Technology Consultant 
> KJ Technology Consulting, Inc. 
> T. 718-575-1595 
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> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:38 PM
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
>   I agree.  It's time our vaunted various special forces, perhaps in
> cooperation with other special forces, start quietly putting down the
> rabid dogs without hurting the innocent. 
>
>
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Phillips, Glen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 9:28 AM
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
> 
>   While those who did this (and weren't on the planes) must
> get what they deserve, does flattening a whole town or village to get just
> one of them make the US any better than them?
>
> 
>
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Banyas, Pat F. Civ
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2001 17:24
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
> 
>   Those that advocate waiting for a full and complete
> accounting to determine blame are WRONG.  We should retaliate NOW against
> ANY terrorist group that have EVER in the past taken ANY type of action
> against the US.  50,000 people deserve RETRIBUTION and those of us still
> here DEMAND a strong deterrent for the future.
>
>   Pat Banyas
>   US Naval Hospital Guantanamo Bay
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Phillips, Glen
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:48 AM
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
>   My girlfrinds uncle has a law firm "next door to the
> towers"..its sure gonna be a lng day
>
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Rogers, Jeff L (O&M)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, 11 September 2001 16:44
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
>   Daughter just told me news reports say estimated
> 20,000 total in the two towers at that time of day.
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Rogers, Jeff L (O&M)
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:41
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
>   I heard 50+ thousand
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: David N. Precht [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:44
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
>   any stats on how many people work/live in the WTC
> and/or area?  i estimated around 25k-50k ...
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: MLewis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>   Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 11:37
>   To: NT System Admin Issues
>   Subject: RE: NewYork Terrorist Attack
> 
> 
>   Both World Trade Center buildings have fallen.
> There is only rubble where these historic structures stood.
>
>   Marcella D. Lewis
>   Network Administrator
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>"Excellence is in the details. Give attention to
> the details and excellence will come."  (Perry Paxton)
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From: Roger

RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


For an interesting commentary on this particular Nostradamus prediction,
check this out:

http://www.ed.brocku.ca/~nmarshal/nostradamus.htm




John Hornbuckle
Network Manager
Taylor County School District
318 North Clark Street
Perry, FL 32347 


-Original Message-
From: Greg J. Ewy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 10:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Australian Expressing Sadness + Something to think about


Thanks for the expressions of support.  Means much to us, knowing that
there are lots of others throughout the world who feel the pain, and are
supportive.

Revelations, Armaggeddon, and Nostradamus have been on my mind lots
today.

In the City of God there will be a great thunder, 
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos, 
while the fortress endures, 
the great leader will succumb

The third big war will begin when the big city is burning
- Nostradamus 1654 



Greg J. Ewy
Trilogy Systems
515-964-9505
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: OT: Voice over ip

2001-09-12 Thread nwilcox2


AAVID Baby, AAVID.




Chris Bodnar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 09/12/2001 10:48:16 AM

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Subject:  OT: Voice over ip




Anyone doing VOIP ? Specifically using the MultiTech products?







Chris Bodnar

The Lehigh Group

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RE: OT? perspective of events