Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum -- *From:* Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website “looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions…”. Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though… Dave *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I’m using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:39 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already The product itself is the bombdiggity, I am hoping beyond hope this slow support is an anomaly. *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Of course. It’s because we had planned on using it… -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already We demoed PGP full disk encryption very early this year and in April ponied up for the licenses. Up to that point PGP support was fine – not spectacular, but good enough and quite consistent. Full rollout (260 systems) started last week, and I’ve had very little success with the responses from tech support requests this month. *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
RE: Show all DNS Servers in AD
It worked. Found all 6 servers running DNS and found the SQL Server running
DNS. They knew they had a SQL Server running DNS, now they know the server
name.
Thanks
Webster
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Subject: RE: Show all DNS Servers in AD
And how did it go?
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Subject: RE: Show all DNS Servers in AD
I have permission to run this at 8PM Central.
Webster
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Subject: RE: Show all DNS Servers in AD
The SPN trick only works on ADI DNS servers. I checked and verified.
What's the firewall status?
This two-liner works great for a DA if the firewall lets you through:
$computers = dsquery * forestroot -filter objectCategory=computer -attr
dnsHostName -limit 0
foreach( $computer in $computers ) { get-service DNS Server -computername
$computer.Trim() -ea 0| out-null; if( $? ) { DNS Server on $computer }
else { ...no DNS Server on $computer } }
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Powershell to get all users details from AD
Hi Does anyone know of a powershell script/syntax that I can use to get a list of all the users from the AD, their OU location, name, phone details, address, profile, organisation details...basically as much as possible from the properties for each user account? Olly [cid:personal23d6c.jpg] [cid:g2supportsmall_250x58border2cd6.png] Network Support Online Backups Server Management Tel: 0845 307 3443 Email: oliver.marsh...@g2support.com Web: http://www.g2support.comhttp://www.g2support.com/ Twitter: g2supporthttp://twitter.com/home?stat...@g2support Newsletter: http://www.g2support.com/newsletter Mail: 2 Roundhill Road, Brighton, Sussex, BN2 3RF Have you said something nice about us to a friend or colleague ? Let us say thanks. Find out more at www.g2support.com/referralhttp://www.g2support.com/referral G2 Support LLP is registered at Mill House, 103 Holmes Avenue, HOVE BN3 7LE. Our registered company number is OC316341. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: personal23d6c.jpginline: g2supportsmall_250x58border2cd6.png
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum -- *From:* Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website “looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions…”. Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though… Dave *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I’m using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:39 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already The product itself is the bombdiggity, I am hoping beyond hope this slow support is an anomaly. *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Of course. It’s because we had planned on using it… -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:50 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already We demoed PGP full disk encryption very early this year and in April ponied up for the licenses. Up to that point PGP support was fine – not spectacular, but good enough and quite consistent. Full rollout (260 systems) started last week, and I’ve had very little success with the responses from tech support requests this month. *David Lum** **// *SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 *// *(Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Wholeheartedly agree. I once had a case passed from first-line to me where the user had reported that they were having a problem with sticky keys. I spent two days working out how to disable StickyKeys, FilterKeys and ToggleKeys via an AppSense rule pushing out the required Registry settings. When I triumphantly went to demonstrate my cleverness to the user, they actually showed me that they had a problem with a third-party application repeatedly stealing focus, which made them think their keys were stuck, and had henceforth christened it sticky keys. Assume nothing! On 23 September 2010 11:12, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.comwrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum -- *From:* Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website “looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions…”. Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though… Dave *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I’m using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:39 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already The product itself is the bombdiggity, I am hoping beyond hope this slow support is an anomaly. *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Of course. It’s because we had planned on using it… -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:50 AM *To:* NT System
RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though... Dave From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I'm using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
I wasn't saying random based on gut feeling. It was more an inkling that something was amiss with that particular function due to experience. Maybe I should have been more clear about what I meant by didn't like the look of it. When a system is down and you're the only one assigned to fix it, sometimes time is of the essence. In situations where you have time on your side, a more structured approach is ideal. Also, if you have an agreed SLA, you can be more considered in your approach. Unfortunately that isn't always present though. However I wasn't saying I would just stop services for the hell of it on a live system that users were still able to access. That would just be plain irresponsible. On 23 September 2010 11:29, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on “gut feelings” what are bad, isn’t my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum -- *From:* Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website “looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions…”. Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though… Dave *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I’m using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: Powershell to get all users details from AD
No PowerShell required. Dsquery * forestroot -limit 0 -filter objectClass=user -attr * Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Powershell to get all users details from AD Hi Does anyone know of a powershell script/syntax that I can use to get a list of all the users from the AD, their OU location, name, phone details, address, profile, organisation details...basically as much as possible from the properties for each user account? Olly [cid:image002.png@01CB5AEB.2B854600] Network Support Online Backups Server Management Tel: 0845 307 3443 Email: oliver.marsh...@g2support.commailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com Web: http://www.g2support.comhttp://www.g2support.com/ Twitter: g2supporthttp://twitter.com/home?stat...@g2support Newsletter: http://www.g2support.com/newsletter Mail: 2 Roundhill Road, Brighton, Sussex, BN2 3RF Have you said something nice about us to a friend or colleague ? Let us say thanks. Find out more at www.g2support.com/referralhttp://www.g2support.com/referral G2 Support LLP is registered at Mill House, 103 Holmes Avenue, HOVE BN3 7LE. Our registered company number is OC316341. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpginline: image002.png
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Man! David hit it right on the head. Nice job. - Original Message - From: David Lum david@nwea.org To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:17:21 PM Subject: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website “looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions…”. Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though… Dave From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I’m using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 12:39 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already The product itself is the bombdiggity, I am hoping beyond hope this slow support is an anomaly. From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 8:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Of course. It’s because we had planned on using it… -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:50 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already We demoed PGP full disk encryption very early this year and in April ponied up for the licenses. Up to that point PGP support was fine – not spectacular, but good enough and quite consistent. Full rollout (260 systems) started last week, and I’ve had very little success with the responses from tech support requests this month. David Lum // SYSTEMS ENGINEER NORTHWEST EVALUATION ASSOCIATION (Desk) 971.222.1025 // (Cell) 503.267.9764 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To
RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
The most important of these is gathering the facts. This is not what then end user issue seems to be, but what it actually it. Then you can decide to either fix, mitigate, or investigate further. I know of a number of IT companies where a server reboot is the fix to most issues, while I know that most issues are not affected by a reboot, it only delays identifying the cause. Mike From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 11:37 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) I wasn't saying random based on gut feeling. It was more an inkling that something was amiss with that particular function due to experience. Maybe I should have been more clear about what I meant by didn't like the look of it. When a system is down and you're the only one assigned to fix it, sometimes time is of the essence. In situations where you have time on your side, a more structured approach is ideal. Also, if you have an agreed SLA, you can be more considered in your approach. Unfortunately that isn't always present though. However I wasn't saying I would just stop services for the hell of it on a live system that users were still able to access. That would just be plain irresponsible. On 23 September 2010 11:29, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.commailto:k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at
RE: Powershell to get all users details from AD
has to be powershell I'm afraid :S -- G2 Support Network Support : Online Backups : Server Management Web: www.g2support.com Twitter: g2supporthttp://twitter.com/home?stat...@g2support Newsletter: www.g2support.com/newsletterhttp://www.g2support.com/newsletter From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 11:47 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Powershell to get all users details from AD No PowerShell required. Dsquery * forestroot -limit 0 -filter objectClass=user -attr * Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Oliver Marshall [mailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 5:57 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Powershell to get all users details from AD Hi Does anyone know of a powershell script/syntax that I can use to get a list of all the users from the AD, their OU location, name, phone details, address, profile, organisation details...basically as much as possible from the properties for each user account? Olly [cid:image002.png@01CB5B1B.59B7E660] Network Support Online Backups Server Management Tel: 0845 307 3443 Email: oliver.marsh...@g2support.commailto:oliver.marsh...@g2support.com Web: http://www.g2support.comhttp://www.g2support.com/ Twitter: g2supporthttp://twitter.com/home?stat...@g2support Newsletter: http://www.g2support.com/newsletter Mail: 2 Roundhill Road, Brighton, Sussex, BN2 3RF Have you said something nice about us to a friend or colleague ? Let us say thanks. Find out more at www.g2support.com/referralhttp://www.g2support.com/referral G2 Support LLP is registered at Mill House, 103 Holmes Avenue, HOVE BN3 7LE. Our registered company number is OC316341. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmininline: image001.jpginline: image002.png
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
I agree, but sometimes you only have time to gather the facts after you've implemented a fix for the users screaming at you. I personally try to avoid server reboots to fix, that comes from being judged on server uptime. I'm not saying don't gather facts, I'm saying that sometimes, in the support arena - and especially for small companies and/or teams - implementing or finding a fix ends up being more urgent than gathering facts, and sometimes you have to different try things to narrow the issue down (not at random though). But I always believe in understanding why something happened. Sometimes I will spend inordinate amounts of time trying to understand a root cause, a lot more than I ever get given to implement a fix - but you can afford to do that when everyone isn't screaming at you. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be systematic, just that sometimes you have to act quickly and decisively - and occasionally almost instinctively - using your previous experiences and knowledge as a guide. YMMV, etc. - I'm not trying to start a flame war here. When dealing with users also, I agree, it always pays to check and double-check what issue they are actually experiencing. A lot gets lost in translation and through whichever logging system you use. On 23 September 2010 12:15, Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net wrote: The most important of these is gathering the facts. This is not what then end user issue seems to be, but what it actually it. Then you can decide to either fix, mitigate, or investigate further. I know of a number of IT companies where a server reboot is the fix to most issues, while I know that most issues are not affected by a reboot, it only delays identifying the cause. Mike *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* 23 September 2010 11:37 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) I wasn't saying random based on gut feeling. It was more an inkling that something was amiss with that particular function due to experience. Maybe I should have been more clear about what I meant by didn't like the look of it. When a system is down and you're the only one assigned to fix it, sometimes time is of the essence. In situations where you have time on your side, a more structured approach is ideal. Also, if you have an agreed SLA, you can be more considered in your approach. Unfortunately that isn't always present though. However I wasn't saying I would just stop services for the hell of it on a live system that users were still able to access. That would just be plain irresponsible. On 23 September 2010 11:29, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on “gut feelings” what are bad, isn’t my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am
OT : favorite Android Apps
I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: favorite Android Apps
Favorite? That's hard to say. Most apps have their uses (some have no use at all) nd it depends on how you work and what you use the phone for. However, you can see my list here: http://www.appbrain.com/user/rodtrent/apps-on-the-phone Get Appbrain and you can share app lists. Best new Social Media app is my6sense, btw. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT : favorite Android Apps
Everything listed here is free. These are just the apps that I use on a semi regular to daily basis. Advanced task killer jog tracker Facebook (use friendstream more on my incredible) gstrings (chromatic tuner) gps status keeper (password keeper that can sync with pc over wi-fi) netstatus pdanet (if you're on VZ and to cheap to pay for wifi hot spot or don't have your phone rooted) scanlife barcode scanner call confirm ebay pkt auctions weatherbug mortplayer audio book player Scanner radio bubble es file explorer multiple ringtone apps astro file explorer qik convertpad skype air horn sound grenade opera mini google maps and nav GAMES replica island funtowers missile intercept jewels abduction artfulbits aiminesweeper space war Angry Birds - still in beta but rocks on the incredible classic simon to keep the kids busy coloroid From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Email retention
1) First check with your auditors to find out what your document retention requirements are. Likely, your HR department will have a 7 year, accounts payable/receivable may have the same (or not), etc 2) Then check with legal to see if a printed copy of all relevant email satisfies your document retention requirements. If so, then HR should implement a policy to require printing 'emails of official record' so that your email server backups are NOT the official record. Otherwise you may find yourself with a 7 year tape/backup retention which can be a real bitch considering how fast technology standards evolve and change, not to mention the cost of, and storeage of the media On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:04 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: What's the standard for email retention for companies which are NOT publicly traded? What's the SOX rules on email retention? I just helped one of our managers open some Outlook data files dating back to 2007 which got me thinking about the wisdom of retaining information that long and I wasn't sure what the norm is for retaining that info. Thanks... Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
There is also some value in this looks out of place or suspicious, and making a change and observing the results, and then reversing that change as necessary. Exporting a registry key before deleting it is a good example... if you don't get the desired results, reimporting that key is often a good idea. Making troubleshooting changes that stack up can often do more harm than the original problem... but as individual steps they can provide invaluable information. -sc From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) I wasn't saying random based on gut feeling. It was more an inkling that something was amiss with that particular function due to experience. Maybe I should have been more clear about what I meant by didn't like the look of it. When a system is down and you're the only one assigned to fix it, sometimes time is of the essence. In situations where you have time on your side, a more structured approach is ideal. Also, if you have an agreed SLA, you can be more considered in your approach. Unfortunately that isn't always present though. However I wasn't saying I would just stop services for the hell of it on a live system that users were still able to access. That would just be plain irresponsible. On 23 September 2010 11:29, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David
Re: favorite Android Apps
thank you ! On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Favorite? That’s hard to say. Most apps have their uses (some have no use at all) nd it depends on how you work and what you use the phone for. However, you can see my list here: http://www.appbrain.com/user/rodtrent/apps-on-the-phone Get Appbrain and you can share app lists. Best new Social Media app is my6sense, btw. *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: favorite Android Apps
On a slight tangent I noticed whilst reading the news today the top ten Most Pointless iPhone Apps List http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8020164/Top-ten-most-pointless-iPhone-apps-named.html On 23 September 2010 13:36, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote: thank you ! On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Favorite? That’s hard to say. Most apps have their uses (some have no use at all) nd it depends on how you work and what you use the phone for. However, you can see my list here: http://www.appbrain.com/user/rodtrent/apps-on-the-phone Get Appbrain and you can share app lists. Best new Social Media app is my6sense, btw. *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT : favorite Android Apps
Thanks ! On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:33 AM, N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote: Everything listed here is free. These are just the apps that I use on a semi regular to daily basis. Advanced task killer jog tracker Facebook (use friendstream more on my incredible) gstrings (chromatic tuner) gps status keeper (password keeper that can sync with pc over wi-fi) netstatus pdanet (if you're on VZ and to cheap to pay for wifi hot spot or don't have your phone rooted) scanlife barcode scanner call confirm ebay pkt auctions weatherbug mortplayer audio book player Scanner radio bubble es file explorer multiple ringtone apps astro file explorer qik convertpad skype air horn sound grenade opera mini google maps and nav GAMES replica island funtowers missile intercept jewels abduction artfulbits aiminesweeper space war Angry Birds - still in beta but rocks on the incredible classic simon to keep the kids busy coloroid -- *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: favorite Android Apps
http://www.androidapps.com/ http://www.androidapplabs.com/ But the one that Rod listed is probably the best. You can share your list of apps with friends. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ blockedhttp://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ blockedhttp://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: favorite Android Apps
Excellent, I use appbrain as well had no idea we can share lists J here's mine, I do love the flexibility of the android platform http://www.appbrain.com/user/aragones/apps-on-the-phone From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:37 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: favorite Android Apps thank you ! On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Rod Trent rodtr...@myitforum.com wrote: Favorite? That's hard to say. Most apps have their uses (some have no use at all) nd it depends on how you work and what you use the phone for. However, you can see my list here: http://www.appbrain.com/user/rodtrent/apps-on-the-phone Get Appbrain and you can share app lists. Best new Social Media app is my6sense, btw. From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin _ This e-mail, including attachments, contains information that is confidential and may be protected by attorney/client or other privileges. This e-mail, including attachments, constitutes non-public information intended to be conveyed only to the designated recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail, including attachments, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify me by e-mail reply and delete the original message and any attachments from your system. _ ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
I would add to that list: Establish Risk I can't tell you the number of times that someone has looked at two options for mitigating (or attempting to isolate) a problem, and they're ready to jump on the one which is harder to recover from. *Them*: Possibly corrupt install? Hey, I know! Let's re-image the drive!! *Me*: Um... How about you put the drive in another system and see if it works there? That way, no data loss if it's not a corrupt install... Always have a plan for *what if my assumption was wrong?* that doesn't involve magic, heroics or immunity from prosecution. *ASB* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on “gut feelings” what are bad, isn’t my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum -- *From:* Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website “looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions…”. Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though… Dave *From:* Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I’m using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here:
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Covering your backside should always be an inherent part of any action plan, not just in IT. But we all have change control processes that we adhere to, don't we? Actually I've worked with a few people who don't, and they are the types that get IT workers a bad reputation by bringing services down in the middle of the working day because they fail to understand the possible impact of their remedial efforts. On 23 September 2010 14:10, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: I would add to that list: Establish Risk I can't tell you the number of times that someone has looked at two options for mitigating (or attempting to isolate) a problem, and they're ready to jump on the one which is harder to recover from. *Them*: Possibly corrupt install? Hey, I know! Let's re-image the drive!! *Me*: Um... How about you put the drive in another system and see if it works there? That way, no data loss if it's not a corrupt install... Always have a plan for *what if my assumption was wrong?* that doesn't involve magic, heroics or immunity from prosecution. *ASB* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.comwrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on “gut feelings” what are bad, isn’t my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum -- *From:* Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] *Sent:* Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website “looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions…”. Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Definitely, balance is key. My experience is that the more time you are able to spend educating people while things are working, the more latitude you have to troubleshoot while things are down. I'm pretty sure we've all had to do a quick-n-dirty fix. The problem comes when you have so many of those in place, that are not getting revisited for a more permanent solution, that you end up with a perfect storm scenario. Everyone loses there. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:48 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I agree, but sometimes you only have time to gather the facts after you've implemented a fix for the users screaming at you. I personally try to avoid server reboots to fix, that comes from being judged on server uptime. I'm not saying don't gather facts, I'm saying that sometimes, in the support arena - and especially for small companies and/or teams - implementing or finding a fix ends up being more urgent than gathering facts, and sometimes you have to different try things to narrow the issue down (not at random though). But I always believe in understanding why something happened. Sometimes I will spend inordinate amounts of time trying to understand a root cause, a lot more than I ever get given to implement a fix - but you can afford to do that when everyone isn't screaming at you. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be systematic, just that sometimes you have to act quickly and decisively - and occasionally almost instinctively - using your previous experiences and knowledge as a guide. YMMV, etc. - I'm not trying to start a flame war here. When dealing with users also, I agree, it always pays to check and double-check what issue they are actually experiencing. A lot gets lost in translation and through whichever logging system you use. On 23 September 2010 12:15, Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net wrote: The most important of these is gathering the facts. This is not what then end user issue seems to be, but what it actually it. Then you can decide to either fix, mitigate, or investigate further. I know of a number of IT companies where a server reboot is the fix to most issues, while I know that most issues are not affected by a reboot, it only delays identifying the cause. Mike *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] *Sent:* 23 September 2010 11:37 *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) I wasn't saying random based on gut feeling. It was more an inkling that something was amiss with that particular function due to experience. Maybe I should have been more clear about what I meant by didn't like the look of it. When a system is down and you're the only one assigned to fix it, sometimes time is of the essence. In situations where you have time on your side, a more structured approach is ideal. Also, if you have an agreed SLA, you can be more considered in your approach. Unfortunately that isn't always present though. However I wasn't saying I would just stop services for the hell of it on a live system that users were still able to access. That would just be plain irresponsible. On 23 September 2010 11:29, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on “gut feelings” what are bad, isn’t my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of.
RE: Email retention
Thanks, Erik. After kicking it around on this list for awhile, the consensus of opinion was that I need to get legal involved and see what they recommend. Unfortunately, we dont host our own email at this time, so all we have is PST files. Hopefully we'll have our own mail server by this time next year (economy and carpet sales permitting. grin) and this will be more relevant then. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email retention 1) First check with your auditors to find out what your document retention requirements are. Likely, your HR department will have a 7 year, accounts payable/receivable may have the same (or not), etc 2) Then check with legal to see if a printed copy of all relevant email satisfies your document retention requirements. If so, then HR should implement a policy to require printing 'emails of official record' so that your email server backups are NOT the official record. Otherwise you may find yourself with a 7 year tape/backup retention which can be a real bitch considering how fast technology standards evolve and change, not to mention the cost of, and storeage of the media On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:04 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: What's the standard for email retention for companies which are NOT publicly traded? What's the SOX rules on email retention? I just helped one of our managers open some Outlook data files dating back to 2007 which got me thinking about the wisdom of retaining information that long and I wasn't sure what the norm is for retaining that info. Thanks... Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT : favorite Android Apps
I'll add the following: - MyBackup Pro (not free, but well worth it) - Advanced Task Manager (I like this better than Advanced Task Killer, since Google changed process killing under v2.2) - Chrome to Phone - ConnectBot - DropBox - Evernote - any Flashlight app - GoogleVoice - imov Messenger (Jabber client) - K-9 Mail - My Verizon Mobile - Kindle app - Remote RDP Lite - Remote VNC - Swype - Voice Recorder - Skype Mobile - MSN Talk - Unread Messages *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:33 AM, N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote: Everything listed here is free. These are just the apps that I use on a semi regular to daily basis. Advanced task killer jog tracker Facebook (use friendstream more on my incredible) gstrings (chromatic tuner) gps status keeper (password keeper that can sync with pc over wi-fi) netstatus pdanet (if you're on VZ and to cheap to pay for wifi hot spot or don't have your phone rooted) scanlife barcode scanner call confirm ebay pkt auctions weatherbug mortplayer audio book player Scanner radio bubble es file explorer multiple ringtone apps astro file explorer qik convertpad skype air horn sound grenade opera mini google maps and nav GAMES replica island funtowers missile intercept jewels abduction artfulbits aiminesweeper space war Angry Birds - still in beta but rocks on the incredible classic simon to keep the kids busy coloroid -- *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: My whole network went down!
They worked flawlessly with our Nortel switches and hubs, and were the standard here until, like you say, all the mainboards started including NICs -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 9:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My whole network went down! On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote: 10-15 years ago 3com 3c905 10/100 PCI NICs used to have horrible problems autonegotiating with Cisco 2900XL switches, and probably other Cisco models too. I haven't seen this problem in quite a while. Interesting. I've always looked fondly on the 3C905. It used to be my go to network card for years, until everything just started having NICs on the mainboard. There are prolly still some 3C905's kicking around at %WORK%, come to think of it. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Yep, same thing here except after researching how to disable via GP and such, when I went over they told me that they had spilled coke on their keyboard a week earlier and the keys were actually just STICKY.. Upon further investigation the tech employed with me at the time, had never heard of Windows sticky keys..I had assumed stickey keys in windows and therefore ASSumed wrong.. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 6:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Wholeheartedly agree. I once had a case passed from first-line to me where the user had reported that they were having a problem with sticky keys. I spent two days working out how to disable StickyKeys, FilterKeys and ToggleKeys via an AppSense rule pushing out the required Registry settings. When I triumphantly went to demonstrate my cleverness to the user, they actually showed me that they had a problem with a third-party application repeatedly stealing focus, which made them think their keys were stuck, and had henceforth christened it sticky keys. Assume nothing! On 23 September 2010 11:12, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though... Dave From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM To: NT System
RE: My whole network went down!
My first job in IT, I worked for a small local ISP. The boss taught me most of what I know about how the internet and DNS works. He had some issues similar to what you're talking about where some brands of switches didn't like the traffic produced by some other networking hardware. The way he explained it was that all the networking equipment was working within the allowed limits, but some shifted the packet boundaries to one end or the other of the allowed area and the other hardware expected it at the other end and so the two pieces of hardware clashed. Don't recall the brands in question, but I am thinking one was a Cisco router and the other may have been 3Com. Anyway, I think the solution at the time was to get rid of the Cisco router and run routing on a monster server with multi-port nics in it. :-) -Original Message- From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 6:08 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My whole network went down! I read they've to mean the 3Com. 10-15 years ago 3com 3c905 10/100 PCI NICs used to have horrible problems autonegotiating with Cisco 2900XL switches, and probably other Cisco models too. I haven't seen this problem in quite a while. On 9/22/2010 4:52 PM, Webster wrote: Is the they've in your last sentence referring to Cisco switches or 3Com NICs? It looks like you are saying that Cisco switches have never seemed trustworthy to ME2 since (whatever). -- Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: My whole network went down!
Yeah. I used to think DEC Tulip chipset NICs were Da Bomb (mainly because you could almost guarantee they'd be supported by early versions of Linux) and then I found the 3C905 cards. I have a whole bunch of pulls of those sitting in a supply closet and if an on-board NIC goes bad, I usually slap one of those in and it just works. -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:33 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: My whole network went down! On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Phil Brutsche p...@optimumdata.com wrote: 10-15 years ago 3com 3c905 10/100 PCI NICs used to have horrible problems autonegotiating with Cisco 2900XL switches, and probably other Cisco models too. I haven't seen this problem in quite a while. Interesting. I've always looked fondly on the 3C905. It used to be my go to network card for years, until everything just started having NICs on the mainboard. There are prolly still some 3C905's kicking around at %WORK%, come to think of it. -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Powershell to get all users details from AD
Quest cmdlets get-qaduser USERNAME -includedproperties * | fl MS AD cmdlets get-qaduser USERNAME -properties * | fl On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Oliver Marshall oliver.marsh...@g2support.com wrote: Hi Does anyone know of a powershell script/syntax that I can use to get a list of all the users from the AD, their OU location, name, phone details, address, profile, organisation details...basically as much as possible from the properties for each user account? Olly Network Support Online Backups Server Management Tel: 0845 307 3443 Email: oliver.marsh...@g2support.com Web: http://www.g2support.com Twitter: g2support http://twitter.com/home?stat...@g2support Newsletter: http://www.g2support.com/newsletter Mail: 2 Roundhill Road, Brighton, Sussex, BN2 3RF Have you said something nice about us to a friend or colleague ? Let us say thanks. Find out more at www.g2support.com/referral G2 Support LLP is registered at Mill House, 103 Holmes Avenue, HOVE BN3 7LE. Our registered company number is OC316341. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadming2supportsmall_250x58border2cd6.pngpersonal23d6c.jpg
Re: Powershell to get all users details from AD
Typo in first MS should be get-aduser.
and if you want all users. Test first syntax may not be correct did not
test.
get-qaduser | %{get-qaduser $_ -properties * | fl}
get-aduser -filter * | %{get-aduser USERNAME -properties * | fl}
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:00 AM, KenM kenmli...@gmail.com wrote:
Quest cmdlets
get-qaduser USERNAME -includedproperties * | fl
MS AD cmdlets
get-aduser USERNAME -properties * | fl
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Oliver Marshall
oliver.marsh...@g2support.com wrote:
Hi
Does anyone know of a powershell script/syntax that I can use to get a
list of all the users from the AD, their OU location, name, phone details,
address, profile, organisation details...basically as much as possible from
the properties for each user account?
Olly
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SAN question
Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a SAN down the road you won't have already spent a ton of $$ on what will then be old tech and you can start looking at what will then be new. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN question Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SAN question
give this guy a call. i think you will be glad you did. Oh - one other thing - fyi. Here is some additional info on Scale - they have come out with an N series (lower priced) and soon a M Series with higher IOPs David Thiede ProActive Solutions, Inc. (800) 661-7761 x8022 Find me Follow me (913) 948-8022 Find me Follow me 651-331-9995 thied...@proactivesolutions.com http://www.proactivesolutions.com On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.comwrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SAN question
I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times even. What requirement do you have that would be met by additional controllers? Failover capability? Scalability? Again, for like the third time, what are your requirements, that'll drive your analysis. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
Tell me about it! A few years ago, we bought our first iSCSI SAN (we needed a SAN) to hold some databases in a MS fail-over cluster. As to the SAN itself failing, well, it has only a NIC for the LAN and a NIC for the iSCSI connections. It has only a single power supply. There is no redundancy for those components, and no room for expansion (other than a couple of drive bays). It works, but it's a technical dead end. Our second SAN (FS) is an IBM for our VMWare installation and is about 3 years old now. Unfortunately, we've outgrown this one. It can be expanded for more capacity with another shelf full of disks. However, we have an engineer who sees this as a dead end (for one thing, it can be used only for our VMWare), so we're looking to invest in something which can meet a number of needs for years to come. In other words, SAN technology can go old tech pretty quickly. Wait until you really need a SAN before investing. -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote on 09/23/2010 09:25:53 AM: I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a SAN down the road you won't have already spent a ton of $$ on what will then be old tech and you can start looking at what will then be new. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN question Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software. com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Spam appliances/services
Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SAN question
Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote: I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a SAN down the road you won't have already spent a ton of $$ on what will then be old tech and you can start looking at what will then be new. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN question Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SAN question
I'm bored, I'll bite. Like others here, I'm not convinced you even need a SAN or even NAS. You can probably make use of DAS. To even begin to make an attempt to give you more guidance we need: How many users will be hitting the file server. What type of file i/o are we talking about? Have you benchmarked your current performance? How much storage do you currently have and how much do you think you will need to meet anticipated growth over the next 24 to 36 months. If you move to providing in-house Exchange, how many users will you be hosting? How many are heavy duty users versus light duty? That's a start, answers to those questions will help us help you further. -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Spam appliances/services
Barracuda. No per-user fees, very configurable and awesome tech support. I had them at %previousjob% and am trying like heck to get them in at %currentjob%. They'll even send you a 90 eval unit for free if you want to try it out. Jim Holmgren Manager of Server Engineering XLHealth Corporation The Warehouse at Camden Yards 351 West Camden Street, Suite 100 Baltimore, MD 21201 410.625.2200 (main) 443.524.8573 (direct) 443-506.2400 (cell) www.xlhealth.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Spam appliances/services Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or protected health information. Under the Federal Law (HIPAA), the intended recipient is obligated to keep this information secure and confidential. Any disclosure to third parties without authorization from the member of as permitted by law is prohibited and punishable under Federal Law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. NOTA DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este facsímile, incluyendo lo adjunto, es para el uso exclusivo del destinatario(s) y puede contener información confidencial y/o información protegida de salud. En virtud de la Ley Federal (HIPAA), el destinatario tiene la obligación de mantener esta información segura y confidencial. Cualquier divulgación a terceros sin la autorización de los miembros de lo permitido por la ley está prohibido y penado en virtud de la Ley Federal. Si usted no es el destinatario, por favor, póngase en contacto con el remitente por teléfono y destruir todas las copias del mensaje original ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT : favorite Android Apps
There are several fart soundboards. My nephew seems to think they are the best apps available. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Spam appliances/services
We had Barracuda, and loved it. When it came time to replace due to age, we looked around again. This time we went with Ironport. We like it even better. The big difference (to us) is the reputation filter simply drops a large part of spam and malware laden email at the network connection level. So that traffic doesn't consume any bandwidth. I believe the levels of spam getting through is marginally better. But not enough to actually be a negative against Barracuda. I have no concerns about recommending either. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Spam appliances/services
I've used Google's Postini mail filtering service very successfully in two environments. I found it cumbersome to setup initially but very effective and hands-off once configured. Users receive daily quarantine summaries and can easily tweak their individual approved/blocked lists. I selected inbound filtering only for just $3 per user per year (!) and Google has continued to renew at that rate for our church. The other company is no longer in business. Roger Wright ___ When it's GOOD there ain't nothin' like it, and when it's BAD there ain't nothin' like it! On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Spam appliances/services
A year ago I would have recommended the Ironmail Product. I still love ours, but since it was purchased by McAfee I am less hesitant to recommend it. The customer service with McAfee, well I guess I really don't need to say any more. If I had to purchase it now, I am not sure I would. The Product is wonderful, I love that it just works and block most things. The ability to have it scan incoming email with multiple antivirus products is another plus, currently we have two different antivirus products licensed for it. From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Spam appliances/services Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Spam appliances/services
We had Barracuda and moved to Brightmail a while back. I know, it has the shame of Symantec about it but it's an awesome product anyway. DAMIEN SOLODOW Systems Engineer 317.447.6033 (office) 317.217.6851 (fax) HARRISON COLLEGE From: Kevin Lundy [mailto:klu...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:54 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Spam appliances/services We had Barracuda, and loved it. When it came time to replace due to age, we looked around again. This time we went with Ironport. We like it even better. The big difference (to us) is the reputation filter simply drops a large part of spam and malware laden email at the network connection level. So that traffic doesn't consume any bandwidth. I believe the levels of spam getting through is marginally better. But not enough to actually be a negative against Barracuda. I have no concerns about recommending either. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as Backup Exec) on a server. Anything more than that is gravy. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times even. What requirement do you have that would be met by additional controllers? Failover capability? Scalability? Again, for like the third time, what are your requirements, that'll drive your analysis. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Spam appliances/services
In fairness to the list sponsor, the do have an appliance that doesn't require you to run Exchange: http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/Ninja-Blade/ -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if only on a webex session where they can whiteboard for you one on one, will answer many of your questions and make your original question about intelligence/disks seem trivial. Regards, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a SAN down the road you won't have already spent a ton of $$ on what will then be old tech and you can start looking at what will then be new. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN question Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons
RE: SAN question
L4 Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.comBLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comBLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:25 AM, N Parr npar...@mortonind.commailto:npar...@mortonind.com wrote: I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a SAN down the road you won't have already spent a ton of $$ on what will then be old tech and you can start looking at what will then be new. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN question Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin Any medical information contained in this electronic message is CONFIDENTIAL and privileged. It is unlawful for unauthorized persons to view, copy, disclose, or disseminate CONFIDENTIAL information. This electronic message may contain information that is confidential and/or legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the individual(s) and/or entity named as recipients in the message. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete this material from your computer. Do not deliver, distribute or copy this message, and do not disclose its contents or take any action in reliance on the information that it contains. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Spam appliances/services
Our mail is being filtered by our ISP using a RedCondor appliance. Barracuda wasn't doing so hot for us. We were seeing a lot of stuff get through, so they switched us over to their RedCondor. Unfortunately there was an issue with delivering email to their mail server directly from the RedCondor, so they are routing the email from the RedCondor and just passing it through the Barracuda to the mail server. From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Spam appliances/services Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: OT : favorite Android Apps
Oh yeah. There's one you can set to a schedule, too. Set the schedule, set your phone down in the midst of a group of women, and step back and watch. From: Phillip Partipilo [mailto:p...@psnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:53 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: OT : favorite Android Apps There are several fart soundboards. My nephew seems to think they are the best apps available. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Spam appliances/services
Barracuda works well. We don't use the per-user quarantine, but it is available. They now offer a VMware VM in addition to hardware solutions (see http://www.barracudanetworks.com/ns/products/vm_overview.php). One thing I've always like about Barracuda is that you can demo the products for a month before committing. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Spam appliances/services
Currently everybody but myself here has their email being filtered by a hosted antispam service at onlymyemail.com. We've been using them for several years now. Spam has dropped to literally zero. False positives are very few and far between. You get a daily email with what has been blocked, and you can fetch such a report on-demand at any time. However, I have opened the floodgates to my own email address (yes I am a glutton for punishment) so I can test the anti-spam gateway in our Watchguard Firebox UTM appliance, and so far, its spam filter has been dead on accurate as well, so we may be looking to abandon the hosted anti-spam service. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Spam appliances/services Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
You can buy two PS4000 EQ's for 30k. Dell was selling a complete virtualization package last week with two 810 servers, PS4000 SAN, Two Powerconnect 5424 switches, and your choice of vSphere 4 or Windows 2008R2 with Hyper-V for 26k. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:58 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as Backup Exec) on a server. Anything more than that is gravy. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times even. What requirement do you have that would be met by additional controllers? Failover capability? Scalability? Again, for like the third time, what are your requirements, that'll drive your analysis. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Spam appliances/services
+10 for the Barracuda. 90% of our SPAM is blocked by reputation services, and doesnt even get to the appliance so not using bandwidth. Out the box it just works, and with a little tweaking you may never see SPAM again. The only time I personally see spam is when I decide to check the message logs and see whats happening. We run 28 domains on ours, filtering for our customers, and have per domain whitelisting, blacklisting and quarantine, as well as per use for a couple of clients. Cant recomend them highly enough. Graeme On 23 September 2010 16:03, Phillip Partipilo p...@psnet.com wrote: Currently everybody but myself here has their email being filtered by a hosted antispam service at onlymyemail.com. We’ve been using them for several years now. Spam has dropped to literally zero. False positives are very few and far between. You get a daily email with what has been blocked, and you can fetch such a report on-demand at any time. However, I have opened the floodgates to my own email address (yes I am a glutton for punishment) so I can test the anti-spam gateway in our Watchguard Firebox UTM appliance, and so far, its spam filter has been dead on accurate as well, so we may be looking to abandon the hosted anti-spam service. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 *From:* Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:45 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Spam appliances/services Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin -- Good news everyone, you have just received and e-mail from me! ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Handling AD Direct Reports
We have a principal who has transferred to a different position at another school. In Active Directory, a number of people have him listed as their manager in the Organization tab. I would like to transfer all of his direct reports to the new principal at the school. Is there an easy way to do this that I'm missing? Something other than moving each employee one by one? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
I agree with everyone else, identify your drivers (Needs) and then evaluate those needs. It's a harder process than it sounds, but essential when operating at this level of cost. Since you have not done that, and you obviously need something. I would go with the synology, several models, lots of expansion and supports ISCSI, works great for file serving, we have several ISCSI LUNS connected for performing system state backups on our 2008 Servers. Doesn't miss a beat and has quite a few features built into it. Like 4TB of space for less than $2500.00 Depending on raid config.. For that kind of savings you can truly identify all of your needs, and when the time comes you haven't dropped a load and locked yourself into any particular method. Greg From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I'm bored, I'll bite. Like others here, I'm not convinced you even need a SAN or even NAS. You can probably make use of DAS. To even begin to make an attempt to give you more guidance we need: How many users will be hitting the file server. What type of file i/o are we talking about? Have you benchmarked your current performance? How much storage do you currently have and how much do you think you will need to meet anticipated growth over the next 24 to 36 months. If you move to providing in-house Exchange, how many users will you be hosting? How many are heavy duty users versus light duty? That's a start, answers to those questions will help us help you further. -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Spam appliances/services
+1 on the Barracuda, been using one for 4-5 years now. Using global policy and once I had the spam and ham trained it was set and forget. From: Jim Holmgren [mailto:jholmg...@xlhealth.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:52 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Spam appliances/services Barracuda. No per-user fees, very configurable and awesome tech support. I had them at %previousjob% and am trying like heck to get them in at %currentjob%. They'll even send you a 90 eval unit for free if you want to try it out. Jim Holmgren Manager of Server Engineering XLHealth Corporation The Warehouse at Camden Yards 351 West Camden Street, Suite 100 Baltimore, MD 21201 410.625.2200 (main) 443.524.8573 (direct) 443-506.2400 (cell) www.xlhealth.com From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Spam appliances/services Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and/or protected health information. Under the Federal Law (HIPAA), the intended recipient is obligated to keep this information secure and confidential. Any disclosure to third parties without authorization from the member of as permitted by law is prohibited and punishable under Federal Law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. NOTA DE CONFIDENCIALIDAD: Este mensaje incluyendo cualquier anejo es para uso exclusivo del (los) destinatario (s) y puede incluir información confidencial y/o información de salud protegida. La Ley Federal (HIPAA) establece que el destinatario está obligado a mantener la información confidencial y sequra. HIPAA prohíbe y castiga cualquier divulgación a terceras personas sin autorización del afiliado o permitido por ley. Si usted no es el destinatario, redirija esta mensaje al remitente, y destruye cualquier copia existente del mensaje original. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Handling AD Direct Reports
You'd need to script it - there's no graphical way to do this as a one-off. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Handling AD Direct Reports We have a principal who has transferred to a different position at another school. In Active Directory, a number of people have him listed as their manager in the Organization tab. I would like to transfer all of his direct reports to the new principal at the school. Is there an easy way to do this that I'm missing? Something other than moving each employee one by one? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
I have not measured our file I/O, I don't even know how to do that. If you can point me towards some tools I'll do so. Current storage on our two servers is about 1/2 terabyte each, with about half that full. Currently our only backup is to mirror the two servers (domain controllers, etc.) I do not believe that we have sufficient storage to migrate critical folders from everyone's desktops to the server, and we are not hosting email in-house. We have about 85-90 users, and knowing how no one likes to delete email (particularly sales folks) I expect that we will need more storage. According to our ISP's server, we're using about 600 megs. I know some of our sales reps have complained because I limit their mail store to about 50-60 megs. I could probably limit it to 100 megs and they'd complain. :-) As to the number of heavy duty vs Light Duty, I'd guess somewhere around 20-30 heavy users (mostly sales folks) and the other 2/3 are probably 20-30 emails per day users. I want to get the storage role off our domain controllers, and possibly use the hardware to run VMWare and convert the DCs to virtual servers as well as running our third server machine (Windows 2000 Server hosting our Time and Attendance software) as a virtual machine as well. According to the work load, the current DCs (Poweredge 2900 machines with dual quad-core Xeons) are just loafing and I'd like to put them to better use. That being said, I can't really do anything with them until such time as I have somewhere to put the disk images, etc. Email will most likely be Kerio Connect due to the cost constraints and needed feature sets. Per Kerio, putting the email store on a SAN *is* supported. I figure I should have about 5 Terabytes useable storage to do what I want, as well as leave room for growth, snapshots, etc. From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I'm bored, I'll bite. Like others here, I'm not convinced you even need a SAN or even NAS. You can probably make use of DAS. To even begin to make an attempt to give you more guidance we need: How many users will be hitting the file server. What type of file i/o are we talking about? Have you benchmarked your current performance? How much storage do you currently have and how much do you think you will need to meet anticipated growth over the next 24 to 36 months. If you move to providing in-house Exchange, how many users will you be hosting? How many are heavy duty users versus light duty? That's a start, answers to those questions will help us help you further. -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Handling AD Direct Reports
Well, that's no good. I suck at scripting. :) From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:12 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Handling AD Direct Reports You'd need to script it - there's no graphical way to do this as a one-off. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:09 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Handling AD Direct Reports We have a principal who has transferred to a different position at another school. In Active Directory, a number of people have him listed as their manager in the Organization tab. I would like to transfer all of his direct reports to the new principal at the school. Is there an easy way to do this that I'm missing? Something other than moving each employee one by one? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District www.taylor.k12.fl.us ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SAN question
+1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if only on a webex session where they can whiteboard for you one on one, will answer many of your questions and make your original question about intelligence/disks seem trivial. Regards, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a SAN down the road you won't have already spent a ton of $$ on what will then be old tech and you can start looking at what will then be new. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN question Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click
RE: SAN question
Jonathan, thank you for your *serious* reply. I see your point. I will try to sit down with various engineers, even if it's only over the phone, to talk with them and find out what their products are all about and why they would be better than some other competitor. :-) -Original Message- From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:00 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if only on a webex session where they can whiteboard for you one on one, will answer many of your questions and make your original question about intelligence/disks seem trivial. Regards, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a SAN down the road you won't have already spent a ton of $$ on what will then be old tech and you can start looking at what will then be new. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:17 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: SAN question Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful
Re: Handling AD Direct Reports
with the AD cmdlets you can do something like this, again not tested so
syntax maybe incorrect.
First user is the old principal and senond would be the new one there ane
may ways to do this and this is just one quick one.
get-aduser USERNAME -properties directreports | %{set-aduser $_ -manager
(get-aduser USERNAME)}
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:13 AM, John Hornbuckle
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote:
Well, that’s no good. I suck at scripting.
:)
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*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:12 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: Handling AD Direct Reports
*You’d need to script it – there’s no graphical way to do this as a
one-off.*
* *
*Thanks,*
*Brian Desmond*
*br...@briandesmond.com*
* *
*c – 312.731.3132*
* *
*From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:09 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Handling AD Direct Reports
We have a principal who has transferred to a different position at another
school.
In Active Directory, a number of people have him listed as their manager in
the “Organization” tab. I would like to transfer all of his direct reports
to the new principal at the school.
Is there an easy way to do this that I’m missing? Something other than
moving each employee one by one?
John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us
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Re: Handling AD Direct Reports
looking at that agian that is incorrect it should be this
(get-aduser USERNAME -properties directreports).directreports |
%{set-aduser $_ -manager (get-aduser USERNAME)}
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:21 AM, KenM kenmli...@gmail.com wrote:
with the AD cmdlets you can do something like this, again not tested so
syntax maybe incorrect.
First user is the old principal and senond would be the new one there ane
may ways to do this and this is just one quick one.
get-aduser USERNAME -properties directreports | %{set-aduser $_ -manager
(get-aduser USERNAME)}
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:13 AM, John Hornbuckle
john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote:
Well, that’s no good. I suck at scripting.
:)
*From:* Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:12 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* RE: Handling AD Direct Reports
*You’d need to script it – there’s no graphical way to do this as a
one-off.*
* *
*Thanks,*
*Brian Desmond*
*br...@briandesmond.com*
* *
*c – 312.731.3132*
* *
*From:* John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
*Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:09 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Handling AD Direct Reports
We have a principal who has transferred to a different position at another
school.
In Active Directory, a number of people have him listed as their manager
in the “Organization” tab. I would like to transfer all of his direct
reports to the new principal at the school.
Is there an easy way to do this that I’m missing? Something other than
moving each employee one by one?
John Hornbuckle
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us
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Re: SAN question
These aren't my questions, per se, so much as they need to be YOUR questions. Jeff Steward also gave you a long list of questions, and you attempted to answer them. Here's the thing, this list is not a substitute for the work you need to do yourself. You need to identify your needs, you need to ask and answer your own questions. We, the list members, have been pushing you in this direction since you started asking around. You're asking us to do your thinking for you, but we cannot do that, we are not in your position and, quite frankly, we have our own problems to solve. If you go back and look at the posts of frequent contributors to this list, you'll see requests from people who are in a jam and need some instant advice because they're stuck on something, or they may have gotten turned around in their research and need to trackback and confirm their understanding. These are the types of things a list is good at solving. Filling in gaps in your skill set or educating you on a broad technology segment is not. We are not in elementary school anymore. We're asking you questions, not because we need to know the answers, but because you need to ask and answer the questions. Note: if someone comes back with a recommendation on doing something you don't know how to do, it isn't really acceptible to say, I don't know how to do X, can you tell me? I would venture to say you should learn to use Google to help fill in your gaps. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as Backup Exec) on a server. Anything more than that is gravy. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times even. What requirement do you have that would be met by additional controllers? Failover capability? Scalability? Again, for like the third time, what are your requirements, that'll drive your analysis. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to
RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Root cause analysis is essential, even after the quick fix. -sc From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:22 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Definitely, balance is key. My experience is that the more time you are able to spend educating people while things are working, the more latitude you have to troubleshoot while things are down. I'm pretty sure we've all had to do a quick-n-dirty fix. The problem comes when you have so many of those in place, that are not getting revisited for a more permanent solution, that you end up with a perfect storm scenario. Everyone loses there. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:48 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: I agree, but sometimes you only have time to gather the facts after you've implemented a fix for the users screaming at you. I personally try to avoid server reboots to fix, that comes from being judged on server uptime. I'm not saying don't gather facts, I'm saying that sometimes, in the support arena - and especially for small companies and/or teams - implementing or finding a fix ends up being more urgent than gathering facts, and sometimes you have to different try things to narrow the issue down (not at random though). But I always believe in understanding why something happened. Sometimes I will spend inordinate amounts of time trying to understand a root cause, a lot more than I ever get given to implement a fix - but you can afford to do that when everyone isn't screaming at you. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be systematic, just that sometimes you have to act quickly and decisively - and occasionally almost instinctively - using your previous experiences and knowledge as a guide. YMMV, etc. - I'm not trying to start a flame war here. When dealing with users also, I agree, it always pays to check and double-check what issue they are actually experiencing. A lot gets lost in translation and through whichever logging system you use. On 23 September 2010 12:15, Mike Hoffman m...@drumbrae.net wrote: The most important of these is gathering the facts. This is not what then end user issue seems to be, but what it actually it. Then you can decide to either fix, mitigate, or investigate further. I know of a number of IT companies where a server reboot is the fix to most issues, while I know that most issues are not affected by a reboot, it only delays identifying the cause. Mike From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 11:37 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) I wasn't saying random based on gut feeling. It was more an inkling that something was amiss with that particular function due to experience. Maybe I should have been more clear about what I meant by didn't like the look of it. When a system is down and you're the only one assigned to fix it, sometimes time is of the essence. In situations where you have time on your side, a more structured approach is ideal. Also, if you have an agreed SLA, you can be more considered in your approach. Unfortunately that isn't always present though. However I wasn't saying I would just stop services for the hell of it on a live system that users were still able to access. That would just be plain irresponsible. On 23 September 2010 11:29, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds
RE: SAN question
When examining bells and whistles, and since you are intending to move user files to the unit... Be sure to get one which offers data de-duplication. That can cut storage needs considerably! (NYC HQ has it; we lust for it!) Be sure you understand how each choice handles snap-shotting. Above all, I'd say getting user files off the DCs is a must! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA ®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/23/2010 10:12:28 AM: I have not measured our file I/O, I don't even know how to do that. If you can point me towards some tools I'll do so. Current storage on our two servers is about 1/2 terabyte each, with about half that full. Currently our only backup is to mirror the two servers (domain controllers, etc.) I do not believe that we have sufficient storage to migrate critical folders from everyone's desktops to the server, and we are not hosting email in-house. We have about 85-90 users, and knowing how no one likes to delete email (particularly sales folks) I expect that we will need more storage. According to our ISP's server, we're using about 600 megs. I know some of our sales reps have complained because I limit their mail store to about 50-60 megs. I could probably limit it to 100 megs and they'd complain. :-) As to the number of heavy duty vs Light Duty, I'd guess somewhere around 20-30 heavy users (mostly sales folks) and the other 2/3 are probably 20-30 emails per day users. I want to get the storage role off our domain controllers, and possibly use the hardware to run VMWare and convert the DCs to virtual servers as well as running our third server machine (Windows 2000 Server hosting our Time and Attendance software) as a virtual machine as well. According to the work load, the current DCs (Poweredge 2900 machines with dual quad-core Xeons) are just loafing and I'd like to put them to better use. That being said, I can't really do anything with them until such time as I have somewhere to put the disk images, etc. Email will most likely be Kerio Connect due to the cost constraints and needed feature sets. Per Kerio, putting the email store on a SAN *is* supported. I figure I should have about 5 Terabytes useable storage to do what I want, as well as leave room for growth, snapshots, etc. From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I'm bored, I'll bite. Like others here, I'm not convinced you even need a SAN or even NAS. You can probably make use of DAS. To even begin to make an attempt to give you more guidance we need: How many users will be hitting the file server. What type of file i/o are we talking about? Have you benchmarked your current performance? How much storage do you currently have and how much do you think you will need to meet anticipated growth over the next 24 to 36 months. If you move to providing in-house Exchange, how many users will you be hosting? How many are heavy duty users versus light duty? That's a start, answers to those questions will help us help you further. -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a
RE: SAN question
Nope, haven't looked at Drobo Elite yet. Some fellow local geeks suggested FreeNAS. I'm going to look into that as well. Thank you all. I will try to get better edjumakated about this stuff so I can ask more intelligent questions in the future. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven't looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT's COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their BeyondRAID to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn't find any technical detail on how the product *really* worked, as that was proprietary (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I'm on a budget - it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don't have a support agreement, you can't just go on serversuply.com and get parts... Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know backup, backup, backup, but what if the backup doesn't work (or the customer/end user didn't heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.comBLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comBLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.commailto:jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if only on a webex session where they can whiteboard for you one on one, will answer many of your questions and make your original question about intelligence/disks seem trivial. Regards, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.commailto:jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comhttp://www.eaglemds.com/ -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.commailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a decent NAS for a couple grand and call it good. You just said it's going to be a file server for the time being so why spend the money for a SAN now if you don't need it. I bet if I look back through the archives you first brought this up at least 18 months ago. When, if , you do need a
RE: SAN question
Ok. Fair enough, Jonathan. I will attempt to find out from Google how to measure the file IOPS. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question These aren't my questions, per se, so much as they need to be YOUR questions. Jeff Steward also gave you a long list of questions, and you attempted to answer them. Here's the thing, this list is not a substitute for the work you need to do yourself. You need to identify your needs, you need to ask and answer your own questions. We, the list members, have been pushing you in this direction since you started asking around. You're asking us to do your thinking for you, but we cannot do that, we are not in your position and, quite frankly, we have our own problems to solve. If you go back and look at the posts of frequent contributors to this list, you'll see requests from people who are in a jam and need some instant advice because they're stuck on something, or they may have gotten turned around in their research and need to trackback and confirm their understanding. These are the types of things a list is good at solving. Filling in gaps in your skill set or educating you on a broad technology segment is not. We are not in elementary school anymore. We're asking you questions, not because we need to know the answers, but because you need to ask and answer the questions. Note: if someone comes back with a recommendation on doing something you don't know how to do, it isn't really acceptible to say, I don't know how to do X, can you tell me? I would venture to say you should learn to use Google to help fill in your gaps. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as Backup Exec) on a server. Anything more than that is gravy. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times even. What requirement do you have that would be met by additional controllers? Failover capability? Scalability? Again, for like the third time, what are your requirements, that'll drive your analysis. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a problem, so that's a non-issue. Other than that, the only database we would store on the SAN would possibly be the database from our Vipre install, although initially that would stay on the local storage. So, I'd like to see some discussions of the benefits of just adding a tray of dumb drives or adding a complete controller along with the drives (a la LeftHand.) I just don't know enough about the benefits of each model to know what would work best for us. I'm hoping that you guys who are more experienced would give me the benefit of your knowledge. Thanks, John Aldrich IT Manager, Blueridge Carpet 706-276-2001, Ext. 2233 ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
RE: SAN question
Yeah... I really should have listened to the local consultant instead of listening to Dell, but I made the mistake of listening to Dell when they suggested getting a couple large servers to handle everything instead of a NAS box and a couple Pizza box servers to handle DC roles. Now I'm having to go back and do what was recommended in the first place. Thanks for your input, Richard. I will try and take everyone's advice to heart and learn what I can on my own. From: richardmccl...@aspca.org [mailto:richardmccl...@aspca.org] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:34 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question When examining bells and whistles, and since you are intending to move user files to the unit... Be sure to get one which offers data de-duplication. That can cut storage needs considerably! (NYC HQ has it; we lust for it!) Be sure you understand how each choice handles snap-shotting. Above all, I'd say getting user files off the DCs is a must! -- Richard D. McClary Systems Administrator, Information Technology Group ASPCA® 1717 S. Philo Rd, Ste 36 Urbana, IL 61802 richardmccl...@aspca.org P: 217-337-9761 C: 217-417-1182 F: 217-337-9761 www.aspca.org The information contained in this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is from The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals® (ASPCA®) and is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying or use of the contents of this e-mail, and any attachments hereto, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify me by reply email and permanently delete the original and any copy of this e-mail and any printout thereof. John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote on 09/23/2010 10:12:28 AM: I have not measured our file I/O, I don't even know how to do that. If you can point me towards some tools I'll do so. Current storage on our two servers is about 1/2 terabyte each, with about half that full. Currently our only backup is to mirror the two servers (domain controllers, etc.) I do not believe that we have sufficient storage to migrate critical folders from everyone's desktops to the server, and we are not hosting email in-house. We have about 85-90 users, and knowing how no one likes to delete email (particularly sales folks) I expect that we will need more storage. According to our ISP's server, we're using about 600 megs. I know some of our sales reps have complained because I limit their mail store to about 50-60 megs. I could probably limit it to 100 megs and they'd complain. :-) As to the number of heavy duty vs Light Duty, I'd guess somewhere around 20-30 heavy users (mostly sales folks) and the other 2/3 are probably 20-30 emails per day users. I want to get the storage role off our domain controllers, and possibly use the hardware to run VMWare and convert the DCs to virtual servers as well as running our third server machine (Windows 2000 Server hosting our Time and Attendance software) as a virtual machine as well. According to the work load, the current DCs (Poweredge 2900 machines with dual quad-core Xeons) are just loafing and I'd like to put them to better use. That being said, I can't really do anything with them until such time as I have somewhere to put the disk images, etc. Email will most likely be Kerio Connect due to the cost constraints and needed feature sets. Per Kerio, putting the email store on a SAN *is* supported. I figure I should have about 5 Terabytes useable storage to do what I want, as well as leave room for growth, snapshots, etc. From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:48 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I'm bored, I'll bite. Like others here, I'm not convinced you even need a SAN or even NAS. You can probably make use of DAS. To even begin to make an attempt to give you more guidance we need: How many users will be hitting the file server. What type of file i/o are we talking about? Have you benchmarked your current performance? How much storage do you currently have and how much do you think you will need to meet anticipated growth over the next 24 to 36 months. If you move to providing in-house Exchange, how many users will you be hosting? How many are heavy duty users versus light duty? That's a start, answers to those questions will help us help you further. -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs
RE: SAN question
Not trying to be rude, John, but I would have to agree with the other Jonathan. It's not that we don't want to help, we really do, but everyone has to do some work on their own, and (at least on this subject), it does not APPEAR that you have done enough homework about this BROAD topic yet to be able to ask appropriate questions of this list. Once you've met with at least 3 vendors, and have gotten your questions answered, if you still have a specific question on which you feel like you're getting the runaround, then ask this list a targeted, specific question about a particular feature or function. At that point, of framed appropriately, I'm willing to bet you'll get an entirely different grade of response which will be useful to you, and perhaps others. Best of luck, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.comBLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comBLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question These aren't my questions, per se, so much as they need to be YOUR questions. Jeff Steward also gave you a long list of questions, and you attempted to answer them. Here's the thing, this list is not a substitute for the work you need to do yourself. You need to identify your needs, you need to ask and answer your own questions. We, the list members, have been pushing you in this direction since you started asking around. You're asking us to do your thinking for you, but we cannot do that, we are not in your position and, quite frankly, we have our own problems to solve. If you go back and look at the posts of frequent contributors to this list, you'll see requests from people who are in a jam and need some instant advice because they're stuck on something, or they may have gotten turned around in their research and need to trackback and confirm their understanding. These are the types of things a list is good at solving. Filling in gaps in your skill set or educating you on a broad technology segment is not. We are not in elementary school anymore. We're asking you questions, not because we need to know the answers, but because you need to ask and answer the questions. Note: if someone comes back with a recommendation on doing something you don't know how to do, it isn't really acceptible to say, I don't know how to do X, can you tell me? I would venture to say you should learn to use Google to help fill in your gaps. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as Backup Exec) on a server. Anything more than that is gravy. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times even. What requirement do you have that would be met by additional controllers? Failover capability? Scalability? Again, for like the third time, what are your requirements, that'll drive your analysis. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.commailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence vs just adding more disks. i.e. the EQ vs LeftHand models. I can see arguments to be made for both models. I'll tell you that, initially, the SAN is going to be a glorified file server, however, we plan on hosting our email data store on the SAN when we bring email in-house later on. I've already verified with the email vendor that I hope to use that this is not a
RE: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
Pretty sure raid on the Drobo defined by the smallest drive in the array. So if you have 3 2TB drive and 1 1TB drive you will only get around 3TB of storage. From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven't looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT's COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their BeyondRAID to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn't find any technical detail on how the product *really* worked, as that was proprietary (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I'm on a budget - it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don't have a support agreement, you can't just go on serversuply.com and get parts... Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know backup, backup, backup, but what if the backup doesn't work (or the customer/end user didn't heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com BLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com BLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if only on a webex session where they can whiteboard for you one on one, will answer many of your questions and make your original question about intelligence/disks seem trivial. Regards, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com http://www.eaglemds.com/ -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:26 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question I think you just need to give up on your SAN dreams and go buy a
Re: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
I use a drobo at home and we use one here at work, with plans on getting 2 DroboElites. love it. recovery... touch wood have not needed to yet. (please note the yet... everything fails) DROBO says that if the _unit_ dies, you can just take the disks from the failed unit, put them in a new working unit and everything will still work. I've never tried it, but i'm sure someday I may. i've never had a failed drive in my unit, but i've upgraded drives from 500Gb -- 1Tb and yes it is as easy as eject and replace, and wait for the array to rebuild and then add the next disk. the upside as far as the drobo is the ability to just add disks. it does the rebuilding of the array. I trust my drobo as far as I can spit my offsite backup. YMMV, and I don't work for or have ties to drobo other than being satisfied with the product. HTH ./s Google.com Learn it. Live it. Love it. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 08:36, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven’t looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT’s COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their “BeyondRAID” to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn’t find any technical detail on how the product *really* worked, as that was “proprietary” (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I’m on a budget – it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don’t have a support agreement, you can’t just go on serversuply.com and get parts… Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know “backup, backup, backup”, but what if the backup doesn’t work (or the customer/end user didn’t heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if
Re: Spam appliances/services
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. I can say this: Avoid MX Logic (now owned by McAfee (now owned by Intel)). -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
Ok, so lemme get this straight - you put in 7 TB of disk and only get 3 TB usable? Lovely. With traditional RAID, if you pulled the 1 TB drive out of that same equation, you'd have, u 4 TB... Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.comBLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comBLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Pretty sure raid on the Drobo defined by the smallest drive in the array. So if you have 3 2TB drive and 1 1TB drive you will only get around 3TB of storage. From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven't looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT's COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their BeyondRAID to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn't find any technical detail on how the product *really* worked, as that was proprietary (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I'm on a budget - it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don't have a support agreement, you can't just go on serversuply.com and get parts... Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know backup, backup, backup, but what if the backup doesn't work (or the customer/end user didn't heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.comBLOCKED::mailto:%20jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.comBLOCKED::http://www.eaglemds.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.commailto:jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if
RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
I remember my second IT job, I was hired as the Network Administrator for this small company. My boss, the CIO, was also one of the co-founders. Whenever something came up, as I'm headed to the server room, to start troubleshooting, I would find him there already, at the console, poking around, clicking stuff. Was one of the major irritants I had at that place. My thought was, Why did you hire me, if you're not going to trust me to take care of the system? Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com 9/23/2010 3:29 AM Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though... Dave From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 10:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already I'm using that on my next technical evaluation summary. -sc ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
http://www.drobo.com/resources/drobolator.php will help you figure it out Google.com Learn it. Live it. Love it. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 08:44, N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote: Pretty sure raid on the Drobo defined by the smallest drive in the array. So if you have 3 2TB drive and 1 1TB drive you will only get around 3TB of storage. From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven’t looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT’s COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their “BeyondRAID” to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn’t find any technical detail on how the product *really* worked, as that was “proprietary” (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I’m on a budget – it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don’t have a support agreement, you can’t just go on serversuply.com and get parts… Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know “backup, backup, backup”, but what if the backup doesn’t work (or the customer/end user didn’t heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if only on a webex session where they can whiteboard for you one on one, will answer many of your questions and make your original question about intelligence/disks seem trivial. Regards, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent:
RE: Spam appliances/services
+1! Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:47 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Spam appliances/services On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Miller tmil...@hnncsb.org wrote: I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. I can say this: Avoid MX Logic (now owned by McAfee (now owned by Intel)). -- Ben ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
It depends on the level of disk failure protection you choose. http://www.drobo.com/calculator/droboelite/index.php On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: Ok, so lemme get this straight – you put in 7 TB of disk and only get 3 TB usable? Lovely. With traditional RAID, if you pulled the 1 TB drive out of that same equation, you’d have, u 4 TB… Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA* *jra...@eaglemds.com* *www.eaglemds.com -- *From:* N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:44 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Pretty sure raid on the Drobo defined by the smallest drive in the array. So if you have 3 2TB drive and 1 1TB drive you will only get around 3TB of storage. -- *From:* Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven’t looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT’s COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their “BeyondRAID” to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn’t find any technical detail on how the product ** really** worked, as that was “proprietary” (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I’m on a budget – it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don’t have a support agreement, you can’t just go on serversuply.com and get parts… Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know “backup, backup, backup”, but what if the backup doesn’t work (or the customer/end user didn’t heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA* *jra...@eaglemds.com* *www.eaglemds.com -- *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x
RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
I had a boss like that before. And then once I was driving, he'd stand there, breathing down my neck. Don Guyer Systems Engineer - Information Services Prudential, Fox Roach/Trident Group 431 W. Lancaster Avenue Devon, PA 19333 Direct: (610) 993-3299 Fax: (610) 650-5306 don.gu...@prufoxroach.com -Original Message- From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:46 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) I remember my second IT job, I was hired as the Network Administrator for this small company. My boss, the CIO, was also one of the co-founders. Whenever something came up, as I'm headed to the server room, to start troubleshooting, I would find him there already, at the console, poking around, clicking stuff. Was one of the major irritants I had at that place. My thought was, Why did you hire me, if you're not going to trust me to take care of the system? Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com 9/23/2010 3:29 AM Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.commailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though... Dave From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com] Sent:
RE: Spam appliances/services
www.exchangedefender.comhttp://www.exchangedefender.com has a really good reputation in the SMB space and I have been really happy with them as a customer also. Thanks, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com c - 312.731.3132 From: Tom Miller [mailto:tmil...@hnncsb.org] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:45 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Spam appliances/services Folks, I'm in the market to replace my current spam filter. Google Message Security looks pretty good as a service, although it's pricing for us. I've heard good things about Barracuda SPAM and Virus filter, as well as M+ from Messaging Architects. Sorry Sunbelt, we don't run Exchange so your product is out. Anyone have any comments on those products and have any to add? I would for the most part like something to be configured and not to have to constantly tweak it. Also users need to be able to see what's blocked and unblock a message if they want. Thanks, Tom Tom Miller Engineer, Information Technology Hampton-Newport News Community Services Board 757-788-0528 Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
Maybe it wasn't his idea to hire you. Or, perhaps, he just needed someone to handle the tedious parts of the role. I worked for a micro-manager for a while who was otherwise a really cool person, and I was always happy when multiple problems arose simultaneously... *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Joseph Heaton jhea...@dfg.ca.gov wrote: I remember my second IT job, I was hired as the Network Administrator for this small company. My boss, the CIO, was also one of the co-founders. Whenever something came up, as I'm headed to the server room, to start troubleshooting, I would find him there already, at the console, poking around, clicking stuff. Was one of the major irritants I had at that place. My thought was, Why did you hire me, if you're not going to trust me to take care of the system? Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com 9/23/2010 3:29 AM Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto: jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto: david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com ] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions Being an informalish kind of guy, I was tempted to apply just based on that kind of verbiage. Still like %dayjob% enough to not apply though... Dave From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.commailto: scaes...@caesare.com] Sent: Wednesday,
RE: SAN question
Thanks, Jonathan. I will attempt to do better due diligence in getting educated better about SAN options in general. I've met so many different resellers of various SANs, each of them pushing their own vendor that I'm really confused. What I really need to find is someone without an axe to grind who can help me figure out what my needs are and what storage method would best suit my needs. From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question Not trying to be rude, John, but I would have to agree with the other Jonathan. Its not that we dont want to help, we really do, but everyone has to do some work on their own, and (at least on this subject), it does not APPEAR that you have done enough homework about this BROAD topic yet to be able to ask appropriate questions of this list. Once youve met with at least 3 vendors, and have gotten your questions answered, if you still have a specific question on which you feel like youre getting the runaround, then ask this list a targeted, specific question about a particular feature or function. At that point, of framed appropriately, Im willing to bet youll get an entirely different grade of response which will be useful to you, and perhaps others. Best of luck, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question These aren't my questions, per se, so much as they need to be YOUR questions. Jeff Steward also gave you a long list of questions, and you attempted to answer them. Here's the thing, this list is not a substitute for the work you need to do yourself. You need to identify your needs, you need to ask and answer your own questions. We, the list members, have been pushing you in this direction since you started asking around. You're asking us to do your thinking for you, but we cannot do that, we are not in your position and, quite frankly, we have our own problems to solve. If you go back and look at the posts of frequent contributors to this list, you'll see requests from people who are in a jam and need some instant advice because they're stuck on something, or they may have gotten turned around in their research and need to trackback and confirm their understanding. These are the types of things a list is good at solving. Filling in gaps in your skill set or educating you on a broad technology segment is not. We are not in elementary school anymore. We're asking you questions, not because we need to know the answers, but because you need to ask and answer the questions. Note: if someone comes back with a recommendation on doing something you don't know how to do, it isn't really acceptible to say, I don't know how to do X, can you tell me? I would venture to say you should learn to use Google to help fill in your gaps. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as Backup Exec) on a server. Anything more than that is gravy. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times even. What requirement do you have that would be met by additional controllers? Failover capability? Scalability? Again, for like the third time, what are your requirements, that'll drive your analysis. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:16 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Ok, guys. I'm trying to narrow down my many choices with regards to our on-going search for a SAN manufacturer. I'd like your thoughts on the whole question of adding more intelligence
Re: SAN question
In your environment of 100 users there is nothing *wrong* with having a DC serve dual duty as a file server and you may have gotten a bigger bang for your buck at the time. Performance Monitor is your friend - get a baseline for all of your servers - memory, cpu and disk metrics -- I'll leave the particulars for your research ;-) Once you know where you are today you can make a much more compelling argument to your CFO about what you need. Having facts and pretty graphs that show you are under utilizing existing resources, or straining others is powerful. It shows you are being proactive and will serve as a basis for you to make a plan for what you need to do. If you haven't done so already, fire up Visio and diagram your existing infrastructure and your planned infrastructure as well. This will aid you in your vendor discussions. Also, for your size organization and business I would seriously look at keeping e-mail outside, and maybe even other services as well. Take a look at this: http://www.microsoft.com/online/default.aspx That is a lot of bang for the buck. -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Yeah... I really should have listened to the local consultant instead of listening to Dell, but I made the mistake of listening to Dell when they suggested getting a couple large servers to handle everything instead of a NAS box and a couple Pizza box servers to handle DC roles. Now I'm having to go back and do what was recommended in the first place. Thanks for your input, Richard. I will try and take everyone's advice to heart and learn what I can on my own. snipped ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: SAN question
The classic method of doing this is to have a couple vendors come in and make their pitch. During each pitch you ask them why you shouldn't use the other guy. This way you get to hear about the dirty laundry the other guy doesn't want you to know about. Your job is deciphering spin from fact. -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:02 PM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: Thanks, Jonathan. I will attempt to do better due diligence in getting educated better about SAN options in general. I've met so many different resellers of various SANs, each of them pushing their own vendor that I'm really confused. What I really need to find is someone without an axe to grind who can help me figure out what my needs are and what storage method would best suit my needs. From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question Not trying to be rude, John, but I would have to agree with the other Jonathan. It’s not that we don’t want to help, we really do, but everyone has to do some work on their own, and (at least on this subject), it does not APPEAR that you have done enough homework about this BROAD topic yet to be able to ask appropriate questions of this list. Once you’ve met with at least 3 vendors, and have gotten your questions answered, if you still have a specific question on which you feel like you’re getting the runaround, then ask this list a targeted, specific question about a particular feature or function. At that point, of framed appropriately, I’m willing to bet you’ll get an entirely different grade of response which will be useful to you, and perhaps others. Best of luck, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question These aren't my questions, per se, so much as they need to be YOUR questions. Jeff Steward also gave you a long list of questions, and you attempted to answer them. Here's the thing, this list is not a substitute for the work you need to do yourself. You need to identify your needs, you need to ask and answer your own questions. We, the list members, have been pushing you in this direction since you started asking around. You're asking us to do your thinking for you, but we cannot do that, we are not in your position and, quite frankly, we have our own problems to solve. If you go back and look at the posts of frequent contributors to this list, you'll see requests from people who are in a jam and need some instant advice because they're stuck on something, or they may have gotten turned around in their research and need to trackback and confirm their understanding. These are the types of things a list is good at solving. Filling in gaps in your skill set or educating you on a broad technology segment is not. We are not in elementary school anymore. We're asking you questions, not because we need to know the answers, but because you need to ask and answer the questions. Note: if someone comes back with a recommendation on doing something you don't know how to do, it isn't really acceptible to say, I don't know how to do X, can you tell me? I would venture to say you should learn to use Google to help fill in your gaps. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as Backup Exec) on a server. Anything more than that is gravy. From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:33 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question I think we have given you the benefit of our knowledge. Several times
RE: SAN question
It's really no different than car shopping. You may only need a compact (DAS) to cover your immediate needs but a full size truck (SAN) may serve you better for future needs. As far as all the vendors go, they all assure their product is the best option in that segment and while some claim some special amazing technology (like accident avoidance sensors in some cars) these come at a price and don't always have much effect on the overall performance of getting you where you NEED to go. Decide what you NEED now and what you can afford and add future proofing from there. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:03 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question Thanks, Jonathan. I will attempt to do better due diligence in getting educated better about SAN options in general. I've met so many different resellers of various SANs, each of them pushing their own vendor that I'm really confused. What I really need to find is someone without an axe to grind who can help me figure out what my needs are and what storage method would best suit my needs. From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question Not trying to be rude, John, but I would have to agree with the other Jonathan. It's not that we don't want to help, we really do, but everyone has to do some work on their own, and (at least on this subject), it does not APPEAR that you have done enough homework about this BROAD topic yet to be able to ask appropriate questions of this list. Once you've met with at least 3 vendors, and have gotten your questions answered, if you still have a specific question on which you feel like you're getting the runaround, then ask this list a targeted, specific question about a particular feature or function. At that point, of framed appropriately, I'm willing to bet you'll get an entirely different grade of response which will be useful to you, and perhaps others. Best of luck, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question These aren't my questions, per se, so much as they need to be YOUR questions. Jeff Steward also gave you a long list of questions, and you attempted to answer them. Here's the thing, this list is not a substitute for the work you need to do yourself. You need to identify your needs, you need to ask and answer your own questions. We, the list members, have been pushing you in this direction since you started asking around. You're asking us to do your thinking for you, but we cannot do that, we are not in your position and, quite frankly, we have our own problems to solve. If you go back and look at the posts of frequent contributors to this list, you'll see requests from people who are in a jam and need some instant advice because they're stuck on something, or they may have gotten turned around in their research and need to trackback and confirm their understanding. These are the types of things a list is good at solving. Filling in gaps in your skill set or educating you on a broad technology segment is not. We are not in elementary school anymore. We're asking you questions, not because we need to know the answers, but because you need to ask and answer the questions. Note: if someone comes back with a recommendation on doing something you don't know how to do, it isn't really acceptible to say, I don't know how to do X, can you tell me? I would venture to say you should learn to use Google to help fill in your gaps. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:58 AM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com wrote: To answer your questions in order: 1) Failover capability would be very good to have. I need a minimum of two controllers so that if one fails, at least we can run on the other until we fix the first. That could also be handled by a dual-controller head unit. So that brings single-node with dumb drive trays back equal with smart trays. 2) Scalability -- I firmly believe that your data WILL eventually grow to match available disk space, so I'd like the ability to add space easily. That being said, either method will work to add space. So far, my *MINIMUM* requirements are as follows: 1) No single point of failure (Redundant power, redundant controllers, RAID, redundant Ethernet, etc.) 2) Approximately 5 Tb of useable disk space (that should give us a little breathing room once we start redirecting critical folders from users' desktop machines and add in email) 3) RAID 5 minimum to help prevent loss of data from drive failures. 4) Under $30K 5) Any replication needs to be done on the SAN and not involve software (such as
Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already)
You didn't happen to have a remote shutoff to some loudly screaming network device to prompt those simultaneous *issues* did you? grin -Jeff Steward On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe it wasn't his idea to hire you. Or, perhaps, he just needed someone to handle the tedious parts of the role. I worked for a micro-manager for a while who was otherwise a really cool person, and I was always happy when multiple problems arose simultaneously... *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Joseph Heaton jhea...@dfg.ca.govwrote: I remember my second IT job, I was hired as the Network Administrator for this small company. My boss, the CIO, was also one of the co-founders. Whenever something came up, as I'm headed to the server room, to start troubleshooting, I would find him there already, at the console, poking around, clicking stuff. Was one of the major irritants I had at that place. My thought was, Why did you hire me, if you're not going to trust me to take care of the system? Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com 9/23/2010 3:29 AM Agreed. Making random changes to servers based on gut feelings what are bad, isn't my idea of a desirable troubleshooting strategy. Gather facts Isolate Issue Identify Root Cause Implement Fix Cheers Ken From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 6:13 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Kick Ass Sysadmin (was RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already) Another aspect of troubleshooting is the ability to keep track of what are actual facts, and what are as-yet-untested-assumptions. This includes knowing how to classify information that has been given you by the end user. ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:42 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com wrote: It's not what you Google, it's how you Google it. Even when interviewing now I tend to try and look for people who can work problems out rather than people who can simply rhyme off lists of stuff - and I'm always keen on people who check the obvious things first. (Think how would you troubleshoot a GPO that's failing to apply rather than name the FSMO roles.) There's an art to troubleshooting technical issues that's sometimes hard to define. It's probably the old clean minds and scruffy minds thing. Scruffy minds move in unexpected directions and try things that wouldn't necessarily make sense. I can remember fixing some random server hang just by stopping a service I didn't like the look of. It's only afterwards that we realised that particular app was opening loads of ports and generally monopolising the system. I didn't really know what I was looking for, until I found it. On 23 September 2010 00:31, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote: Sometimes I wonder if I'm just a good googler... Seems like 90% of my issues have been tackled (and documented!) by someone else. On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:17 PM, David Lum david@nwea.orgmailto: david@nwea.org wrote: The place with the ad you mean? I don't remember, but here's one in NY that is not completely different: http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=jobId=1007553 I do think I am generaly kick-ass, just don't call me an expert at anything. My specialty is the near-vertical leanning curve that is needed on an occcasional basis. I get stuff like this almost every month: Q. Hey Dave, is this possible? -or- Hey this infrastructure piece is down and the guy who usually manages it is out and there's no documentation, can you make it work? In both cases: A. No clue..I mean in theory it is somehow possible run off back in 45 minutes yeah we can do it, here's a script/tool/some other clever capability. The answer of course sometimes comes from this list, or Exchange list, or Michael B. Smith. Ok I'm not kick ass at all, but I know how to contact a LOT of guys who are... Dave my expertise is knowing experts and how to contact them Lum From: Steven M. Caesare [scaes...@caesare.commailto:scaes...@caesare.com ] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:46 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already Hehe.. type of org? -sc From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:26 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: It appears that the Symantec Virus has affected PGP already That reminds me, I was looking at job openings and once place had the job description on their website looking for someone who is kick ass at finding technical solutions Being an informalish
Re: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
then why bother putting in the 1TB drive On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:44 AM, N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote: Pretty sure raid on the Drobo defined by the smallest drive in the array. So if you have 3 2TB drive and 1 1TB drive you will only get around 3TB of storage. -- *From:* Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:36 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven’t looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT’s COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their “BeyondRAID” to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn’t find any technical detail on how the product ** really** worked, as that was “proprietary” (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I’m on a budget – it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don’t have a support agreement, you can’t just go on serversuply.com and get parts… Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know “backup, backup, backup”, but what if the backup doesn’t work (or the customer/end user didn’t heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA* *jra...@eaglemds.com* *www.eaglemds.com -- *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you started. Have you messed with OpenFiler, yet? You'll learn a lot. Also, based on your pretty low requirements, have you looked at the DroboElite? If it had been available when I started looking, I very well could've gone in this direction. As it is, I'm seriously considering it for backup duty. Storage for a backup server, and the ability to use it in a pinch if my EqualLogic goes down. On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle jra...@eaglemds.com wrote: John - I do not believe that we can help you significantly with this question. In the end, it really doesn't matter what any of us think, because our environments are all different and unique. What works well and may be appropriate for any of us, may be a horrible fit for you and cause you nothing but heartburn and stress. However, I would tend to agree with Niles. If you're not ready for a SAN, don't spend the money on it now. You really need to have a serious sit-down with the vendors/sales engineers (notice I said ENGINEER, not REP) of the different hardware, learn as much as you can from THEM, and ask LOTS of questions. Then ask them why you should choose their product over x, y, or z product. Take lots of notes, and then do the same thing all over again, no more than a few days apart so everything is still fresh in your head. Many times, some of the best education I've gotten has been from the manufacturers themselves. I've actually been to the EMC manufacturing facility in North Carolina - I spent two days there, on THEIR DIME to learn about their products (I had to get there back, but after that, everything was on them). If you say to them, I'd like an education on how your product works and whether or not it would be suitable for my needs and my applications., you'll generally get plenty of intelligent people that will be happy to answer your questions. If they don't ask lots of questions about your environment and what your needs are, you're talking to the wrong people. I believe that the purpose of this list is really a, I'm having trouble with x, has anyone seen this before? or why do you guys think x specification/technology is better than y, or I'm having trouble getting this ADSIedit script working, what am I doing wrong?. I believe that if you sit down with the various manufacturers/reps, even if only on a webex session where they can whiteboard for you one on one, will answer many of your questions and make your original question about intelligence/disks seem trivial. Regards, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com -Original Message- From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:26 AM
Virtualized Colo rent
Anyone have recommendations on companies they are currently using to rent server virtualization, dedicated and shared hardware? Thx Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: Virtualized Colo rent
I like JodoHost (personal) and RackSpace Any specific requirements? *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:17 PM, greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net wrote: Anyone have recommendations on companies they are currently using to rent server virtualization, dedicated and shared hardware? Thx *Greg Sweers* CEO *ACTS360.com http://www.acts360.com/*** *P.O. Box 1193* *Brandon, FL 33509* *813-657-0849 Office* *813-758-6850 Cell* *813-341-1270 Fax* ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Virtualized Colo rent
Hosting 2003 Server with app and several XP workstations used for interfacing with the app itself on the server. Must be able to do VPN tunnel back to main office. Other than that its pretty vanilla. Not happy with current company. Local guys running out of a colo. Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:19 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: Virtualized Colo rent I like JodoHost (personal) and RackSpace Any specific requirements? ASB (My XeeSM Profile)http://XeeSM.com/AndrewBaker Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage... On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 12:17 PM, greg.swe...@actsconsulting.netmailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net wrote: Anyone have recommendations on companies they are currently using to rent server virtualization, dedicated and shared hardware? Thx Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question)
We've been using a Drobo Elite for about 6 months. It has seven 2 TB WD drives in it with dual redundant disks yielding 8.36 TB of available storage. I use it for Acronis backup images. One of the drives failed about a week after we installed them. The Drobo alerted me which drive had failed and I got a replacement and stuffed it in and it automatically rebuilt the array without any interruptions. Someone mentioned that the smallest drive somehow define capacity. That not true. If you go to the Data Robotics website, they have a space calculator app that tells you the usable storage space with any combination of drive sizes and redundancy settings. One of the biggest benefits I see with the Beyond RAID is volume size flexibility. On a typical RAID, if you specify a 500 MB volume and you reach that limit and need more you have to backup the data, destroy the volume and recreate it with a larger size and restore the data. With Beyond RAID, you can either specify a 500 MB volume and have the same situation as a conventional RAID. But you can also elect to make the Volume size 16 TB. Then you can let the volume grow as large as there is free space available on the installed drives. I make all my volumes 16 TB. If I start running out of room, I'll add another 2 TB drive. When that's full, I'll pull one of the 2 TB drives out and stick in a 4 TB drive (or whatever the current big drive available is). Other benefits... * No trays. You just stick the bare drive in. * Drive order is unimportant. If you shutdown the Drobo, pulled all the drives and stuck them back in randomly and fired it up, there'd be no problem. It's more expensive than a NAS but it's worth it for the Beyond RAID. It's also a lot less expensive than a typical SAN. I think it great technology. -- Bob Hartung Wisco Industries, Inc. 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-7399 e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com _ From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysad...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] Sent: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 10:47:39 -0500 Subject: RE: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Ok, so lemme get this straight – you put in 7 TB of disk and only get 3 TB usable? Lovely. With traditional RAID, if you pulled the 1 TB drive out of that same equation, you’d have, u 4 TB… Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com _ From: N Parr [mailto:npar...@mortonind.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Pretty sure raid on the Drobo defined by the smallest drive in the array. So if you have 3 2TB drive and 1 1TB drive you will only get around 3TB of storage. _ From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 10:36 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Speaking of Drobo ... (was: SAN question) Ok, so it SEEMS like a really cool device, but I honestly haven’t looked at it seriously since the device first came out a couple of years ago. When I first looked at it, I was like, ok, now THAT’s COOL. However, after thinking about it some, it just seemed like some black magic under the covers to get their “BeyondRAID” to work. When I originally looked at it, I couldn’t find any technical detail on how the product *really* worked, as that was “proprietary” (understandably so, but still, how am I going to get comfortable with it as a sysadmin, especially at the price if I’m on a budget – it would be an expensive toy. Traditional RAID is just much more comforting to me. If you have a big issue with multiple drives of different sizes on a drobo unit, how is data recovery going to go for you? If the controller fails, and you don’t have a support agreement, you can’t just go on serversuply.com and get parts… Does anyone here have any experience with data recovery on a failed drobo, or for that matter, simply a failed drive within a drobo where you had drives of different sizes in the configuration? I know “backup, backup, backup”, but what if the backup doesn’t work (or the customer/end user didn’t heed your advice)? Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com _ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:16 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question +1 Going back to a previous comment of mine in another thread you
RE: Virtualized Colo rent
I use Softlayer. I'm VERY happy with them. Regards, Michael B. Smith Consultant and Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net [mailto:greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 12:18 PM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Virtualized Colo rent Anyone have recommendations on companies they are currently using to rent server virtualization, dedicated and shared hardware? Thx Greg Sweers CEO ACTS360.comhttp://www.acts360.com/ P.O. Box 1193 Brandon, FL 33509 813-657-0849 Office 813-758-6850 Cell 813-341-1270 Fax ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.commailto:listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT : favorite Android Apps
thanks for the input On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote: I'll add the following: - MyBackup Pro (not free, but well worth it) - Advanced Task Manager (I like this better than Advanced Task Killer, since Google changed process killing under v2.2) - Chrome to Phone - ConnectBot - DropBox - Evernote - any Flashlight app - GoogleVoice - imov Messenger (Jabber client) - K-9 Mail - My Verizon Mobile - Kindle app - Remote RDP Lite - Remote VNC - Swype - Voice Recorder - Skype Mobile - MSN Talk - Unread Messages *ASB *(My XeeSM Profile) http://xeesm.com/AndrewBaker *Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...* * * On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:33 AM, N Parr npar...@mortonind.com wrote: Everything listed here is free. These are just the apps that I use on a semi regular to daily basis. Advanced task killer jog tracker Facebook (use friendstream more on my incredible) gstrings (chromatic tuner) gps status keeper (password keeper that can sync with pc over wi-fi) netstatus pdanet (if you're on VZ and to cheap to pay for wifi hot spot or don't have your phone rooted) scanlife barcode scanner call confirm ebay pkt auctions weatherbug mortplayer audio book player Scanner radio bubble es file explorer multiple ringtone apps astro file explorer qik convertpad skype air horn sound grenade opera mini google maps and nav GAMES replica island funtowers missile intercept jewels abduction artfulbits aiminesweeper space war Angry Birds - still in beta but rocks on the incredible classic simon to keep the kids busy coloroid -- *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
Re: OT : favorite Android Apps
h, an app for what I could potentially do without technology ? grin On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Phillip Partipilo p...@psnet.com wrote: There are several fart soundboards. My nephew seems to think they are the best apps available. Phillip Partipilo Parametric Solutions Inc. Jupiter, Florida (561) 747-6107 *From:* Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, September 23, 2010 8:18 AM *To:* NT System Admin Issues *Subject:* OT : favorite Android Apps I recently upgraded to the HTC EVO with Android 2.2 ... Android is still a bit new to me, but since there are some folks on here who have opinions I respect, I thought I'd ask ; What are your favorite Android apps, and why ? Thanks in advance, Erik ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/ ~ --- To manage subscriptions click here: http://lyris.sunbelt-software.com/read/my_forums/ or send an email to listmana...@lyris.sunbeltsoftware.com with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
RE: SAN question
I still think the best thing you can do John is go buy a server. Get something entry level but half-decent, stick ESXi on it and just download and play with a shedload of storage virtual appliances. FreeNAS, OpenFilter, HP P4000 VSA, EMC Celerra to name but a few. I've actually just got back from a Dell tech day where one of their product specialists was giving the frame vs. module differences and even he acknowledged it's just not clear cut as each has pros and cons. IOPS is pretty simple, at a basic level you want to run performance monitor and log the following counters to CSV: \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Disk Reads/sec \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Disk Writes/sec \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Disk Transfers/sec \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Disk Read Bytes/sec \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Disk Write Bytes/sec \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Avg. Disk Bytes/Read \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Avg. Disk Bytes/Write Run it for at least 24 hours and have it log every 3 seconds or so and try and make your loggin period represent typical usage. At the end of it all, use Excel and work out a percentile for the counter - \\SERVER\PhysicalDisk(_Total)\Disk Transfers/sec - many vendors use 95th percentile if you want to size for normal usage, if you want to size for performance go with 99th percentile (or of course even higher). In some ways I suspect you're in a similar situation to me in that we're actively looking for a replacement SAN and there are several vendors and models each of which would do what we need and not too far apart in price - it's a lot more difficult to narrow them down when you're into wooly things that are harder to measure like ROI and TCO (guess what, every vendors says theirs will save you the most money) than when you can actively rule out vendors A, C and D because they don't do what you need. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: 23 September 2010 17:03 To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question Thanks, Jonathan. I will attempt to do better due diligence in getting educated better about SAN options in general. I've met so many different resellers of various SANs, each of them pushing their own vendor that I'm really confused. What I really need to find is someone without an axe to grind who can help me figure out what my needs are and what storage method would best suit my needs. From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:44 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: RE: SAN question Not trying to be rude, John, but I would have to agree with the other Jonathan. It's not that we don't want to help, we really do, but everyone has to do some work on their own, and (at least on this subject), it does not APPEAR that you have done enough homework about this BROAD topic yet to be able to ask appropriate questions of this list. Once you've met with at least 3 vendors, and have gotten your questions answered, if you still have a specific question on which you feel like you're getting the runaround, then ask this list a targeted, specific question about a particular feature or function. At that point, of framed appropriately, I'm willing to bet you'll get an entirely different grade of response which will be useful to you, and perhaps others. Best of luck, Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE Technology Coordinator Eagle Physicians Associates, PA jra...@eaglemds.com www.eaglemds.com From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 11:28 AM To: NT System Admin Issues Subject: Re: SAN question These aren't my questions, per se, so much as they need to be YOUR questions. Jeff Steward also gave you a long list of questions, and you attempted to answer them. Here's the thing, this list is not a substitute for the work you need to do yourself. You need to identify your needs, you need to ask and answer your own questions. We, the list members, have been pushing you in this direction since you started asking around. You're asking us to do your thinking for you, but we cannot do that, we are not in your position and, quite frankly, we have our own problems to solve. If you go back and look at the posts of frequent contributors to this list, you'll see requests from people who are in a jam and need some instant advice because they're stuck on something, or they may have gotten turned around in their research and need to trackback and confirm their understanding. These are the types of things a list is good at solving. Filling in gaps in your skill set or educating you on a broad technology segment is not. We are not in elementary school anymore. We're asking you questions, not because we need to know the answers, but because you need to ask and answer the questions. Note: if someone comes back with a recommendation on doing something you don't know how to
