Re: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

2010-10-01 Thread Angus Scott-Fleming
On 30 Sep 2010 at 15:25, Carl Houseman  wrote:  

 Well... I want to install the solution on an SBS 2003 server.I wonder
 how Mercury and Exchange would get along? (!) Yeah, I think NOT having a
 built-in mail server is a plus for this situation. 

You didn't mention that in the original mail.  You could easily run Mercury in 
a VM.

 Not to mention it's $25 more expensive than Groupman. That might break
 the bank. :) But thanks for the suggestion. Carl 

I would agree with the other commenters that you risk a large expense if your 
IP gets blacklisted.

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Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory

2010-10-01 Thread James Rankin
Wowthis thread went off on one.

Not to try and resurrect it or anythingbut I recall that you mentioned
some strange permissions on DCs that could be inherited by the Server
Operators group. Do you have any further details on these - purely out of
interest. I know a few admins who've used the group for certain things and I
might mention it to them when I see them next.

Cheers,

On 30 September 2010 23:16, Brian Desmond br...@briandesmond.com wrote:

 *Alright guys. I really am flattered that you all respect me so much in
 this space, but, we need to remember that everyone is entitled to their own
 opinion regardless of whether or not we agree with them. William and I
 chatted offline and we’re good, so I think at this point we need to just
 kill this thread.*

 * *

 *To circle back to the technical details of the OP’s long lost question,
 whatever you deny can be worked around by someone in the Domain Admins group
 if they so desire. You need to have a serious discussion with your
 management chain and if they’re not going to listen and I were in your shoes
 I’d suggest they hire a third party consultant to review your design and
 their requirements and determine how to best merge them.*

 * *

 *Thanks,*

 *Brian Desmond*

 *br...@briandesmond.com*

 * *

 *c   – 312.731.3132*

 * *

 *From:* John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
 *Sent:* Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:12 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory



 Are you guys blasting Shookie again?
 John W. Cook
 Systems Administrator
 Partnership for Strong Families


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 *From*: William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.com
 *To*: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
 *Sent*: Thu Sep 30 17:59:00 2010
 *Subject*: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory

 Micrometers.

  - WJR

 On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:58, Mathew Shember mathew.shem...@synopsys.com
 wrote:

 Isn't that what tweezers are for?



 -Original Message-
 From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:56 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory

 are the measurement increments on your tape measure small enough?

  Kim Longenbaugh k...@colonialsavings.com 9/30/2010 2:44 PM 
 Do you have a tape measure or would you like to borrow one?



 From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:43 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory



 Alright I will ask.



 What exactly are your credentials?





 Thanks,

 Mathew



 From: William J. Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:39 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory



 Look I didn't start picking his statement apart without asking who he
 was or what his experience is.

 He did it to me.

 No one seems interested to know my credentials so I'm not about to start
 some technical d!ck measuring contest.

 Fact is I've seen his resume and I've been doing this longer.

 I'm glad he had the opportunity to work at HP and all the benefits an MS
 partnered company incurs, like MVP status, and publishing books. I know
 lots of HP folks who've done the same.

 Just because I'm not working as a consultant to run in put a directory
 in and fly off...doesn't mean I don't have experience.

 Now if you'll excuse me there is a Guinness with my name on it calling
 me.


 WJR
 - from my Crackberry.

 If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

 

 From: Webster carlwebs...@gmail.com

 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:29:21 -0500

 To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
 ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

 Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory



 Did you actually just ask Brian Desmond that?



 To continue the thought, how many conferences have you spoken at?  How
 many books have you written or been asked to provide content for?  How
 long has Microsoft recognized you for you AD expertise?



 As an MCT, Microsoft hasn't recommended or taught the empty root forest
 design in a long time.



 Just my $0.02US worth





 Webster



 From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
 Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory



 I see.  And how many directories have you designed for Fortune 500
 companies?

 I'm protecting them from people that think it's no big deal to continue
 to design a directory as if it were still 1996...but that's just me and
 my 10 years of experience designing directories for enterprise
 environments talking.

 You go right ahead doing it your way, I'll do it mine.


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RE: Strange disappearing DVD Drive.

2010-10-01 Thread Ken Schaefer
There's no such thing with PCI/PCIe anymore.

Each device driver needs to register interrupt handling code, and these are 
chained together. 

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] 
Sent: Friday, 1 October 2010 3:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange disappearing DVD Drive.

Also check for IRQ Conflicts.

Had this happen on a lot of my Dell laptops when they were in the Docking 
station.  

-Original Message-
From: Terry Dickson [mailto:te...@treasurer.state.ks.us]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:46 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Strange disappearing DVD Drive.

First check your power settings.  Do you have your laptops set to power off 
drives to save power?  I have only seen this once and it was because the drive 
was powered off to save power and when it was the only way to get it back in 
that laptop was to pull and insert drive.


From: Ben Scott [mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 9:24 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Strange disappearing DVD Drive.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:02 PM,  greg.swe...@actsconsulting.net
wrote:
 Clarity seems to be the buzz word this week.

  It is most weeks.  :)

  Device manager has no listing.

  Bummer.  You can't examine what isn't there.  :-(

 The USFF uses the same interface you would on a laptop .

  Yah, I just want's sure what flavor your Dell was using.  In the past they've 
used PATA and they are moving to USB for some devices.

 I haven't tried an explicit path but I am very sure that it wont work
since
 there is nothing in device manager.

  I totally absolutely completely agree, but I'd try it anyway.  :)

 Drive internally is done via SATA.
 I am hoping there is some registry path or file I can pull and let the
system
 redetect to make it stable.  I just don't know how to troubleshoot
that though.

  For some things, one thing you can do is use DEVCON to restart the device 
node.  However, since the optical drive is attached via SATA, that will likely 
disrupt the hard disk's SATA connection as well.
Windows gets very upset when you take away the hard drive.  I suppose you could 
try it anyway, if you've got good backups.  :)

  Does the parent device node in Device Management also disappear or otherwise 
act funny when the trouble happens?  Again, view Dev Mgmt by connection (rather 
than the default of by type).

  Anything in the Event Viewer log?

  Is there anything you can do to induce the problem?  Any pattern to when or 
how often it occurs?

-- Ben


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The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread James Rankin
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight

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Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory

2010-10-01 Thread James Kerr
good choice
  Now if you'll excuse me there is a Guinness with my name on it calling me. 

  WJR
  - from my Crackberry.

  If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.


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  From: Webster carlwebs...@gmail.com 
  Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:29:21 -0500
  To: NT System Admin Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
  Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory


  Did you actually just ask Brian Desmond that?

   

  To continue the thought, how many conferences have you spoken at?  How many 
books have you written or been asked to provide content for?  How long has 
Microsoft recognized you for you AD expertise?

   

  As an MCT, Microsoft hasn’t recommended or taught the empty root forest 
design in a long time.

   

  Just my $0.02US worth

   

   

  Webster

   

  From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com] 
  Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory

   

  I see.  And how many directories have you designed for Fortune 500 companies?

  I'm protecting them from people that think it's no big deal to continue to 
design a directory as if it were still 1996...but that's just me and my 10 
years of experience designing directories for enterprise environments talking.

  You go right ahead doing it your way, I'll do it mine.


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RE: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

2010-10-01 Thread John Aldrich
Yeah... Black-listing is a good reason to let someone else do your
mass-mailing for you. Also, would be a good idea to get confirmation from
those that you are going to be sending regular mailings to that they are
willing to accept those regular mailings, otherwise, you'll start getting
spam complaints. Even with confirmation, you'll probably get spam
complaints, but at least with confirmed opt-in, you can point to their
authorization to keep out of trouble. :-)




-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

On 30 Sep 2010 at 15:25, Carl Houseman  wrote:  

 Well... I want to install the solution on an SBS 2003 server.I wonder
 how Mercury and Exchange would get along? (!) Yeah, I think NOT having a
 built-in mail server is a plus for this situation. 

You didn't mention that in the original mail.  You could easily run Mercury
in 
a VM.

 Not to mention it's $25 more expensive than Groupman. That might break
 the bank. :) But thanks for the suggestion. Carl 

I would agree with the other commenters that you risk a large expense if
your 
IP gets blacklisted.

--
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GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
Security Blog: http://geoapps.com/





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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Steven M. Caesare
It will be interesting to see if this version manages to do what EFI
didn't...

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight

-- 
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into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am
not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could
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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Erik Goldoff
It’s all about standards … either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with
existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future
versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability.  ( or bloat the
os more with dual capability ??? ) 

 

 Chicken or the Egg ?

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

It will be interesting to see if this version manages to do what EFI didn’t…

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight





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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

  We've heard that before.  Maybe this time it will come true.

  Modern BIOSes usually don't take more than a few seconds to boot, so
that seems like a non-issue.  The single biggest driving factor is
prolly the size limit of the  conventional IBM-PC partition table.
Although I bet they could extend the traditional BIOS again if they
didn't have a compelling alternative.

  This would mean you won't be able to install MS-DOS on your 2.5
terabyte hard disk, though.  ;-)

-- Ben

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 8:58 AM, Erik Goldoff egold...@gmail.com wrote:
 It’s all about standards … either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with
 existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future
 versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability.  ( or bloat the
 os more with dual capability ??? )

  Boot loader code is tiny (because it has to be).  Bloat isn't really
an issue.  It might mean installing a different boot loader for BIOS
and one for $NEW_THING, but that's about it.  Once the OS boots the OS
device drivers take over and the BIOS (or $NEW_THING) doesn't matter
anymore.

  The main reason the BIOS has held on as long as it has is that it's
been less painful to extend the BIOS than it has been to replace
everything else.  Now that we're up against a hard limit in the
conventional IBM-PC partition table, we have to break backwards
compatibility to move forward anyway.  So now's the time to change
everything else, too.

  I'm betting $NEW_THING will still have a good deal of BIOS
compatibility/emulation anyway, for hardware compatibility.  Otherwise
option card BIOS ROMs might break.

-- Ben

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RE: Consultants

2010-10-01 Thread Gasper, Rick
I am jumping in here late but..

If you cannot restore your data in less than a week, you might as well close. 
The current thinking in D/R is that 90% of businesses fail if data cannot be 
recovered within 7 days.

The first good thing you came up with is that you need help. Keep in mind most 
consultants will have a preferred solution.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about Ensure that the data is always easily recoverable 
within a few days. :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore data 
in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure data is 
always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what I 
*need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent consultant to 
help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it could do the 
job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring the data is 
always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure 
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to get 
folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the proper 
thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
hiring consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some detailed 
options.
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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread RichardMcClary
No more BIOS?  That means no more chuckles over Bad or missing keyboard - 
press F1 to continue   :-(

James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 05:59:49 AM:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069
 
 Probably well overdue, in hindsight
 
 -- 
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 into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I 
 am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
 could provoke such a question.

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread James Kerr
Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality.
  - Original Message - 
  From: James Rankin 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:59 AM
  Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...


  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

  Probably well overdue, in hindsight

  -- 
  On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the 
machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly 
to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.


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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread RichardMcClary
Perhaps it is BIAS?

James Kerr cluster...@gmail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 08:21:15 AM:

 Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality.
 - Original Message - 
 From: James Rankin 
 To: NT System Admin Issues 
 Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 6:59 AM
 Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069
 
 Probably well overdue, in hindsight
 
 -- 
 On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
 into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I 
 am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
 could provoke such a question.

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 9:18 AM,  richardmccl...@aspca.org wrote:
 No more BIOS?  That means no more chuckles over Bad or missing keyboard -
 press F1 to continue   :-(

  Oh, I'm sure IBM's implementation of $NEW_THING will retain their
error messages.  They've held  on for 30 years, why would they stop
now?  :)

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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andy Shook
I found the picture of the floppy disk quite hilarious.

Shook

From: James Kerr [mailto:cluster...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 9:21 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

Love how they capitalize UEFI but not BIOS. Quality.
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Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight

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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Houseman
It's all about names and marketing.  The underlying and overall function of
the firmware must still be the same.   But this is NEW! and You Need It to
be on the cutting edge.  It wouldn't have the same promotional value had it
been called BIOS 2.0 or NGBIOS.

 

For sure, compatibility is a requirement, as there are plenty of bootable
programs that depend on the BIOS interface to hard drives in order to
function.

 

Carl

 

From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

It's all about standards . either it has to emulate BIOS to interface with
existing Operating Systems, or the OS developers have to code future
versions to it and drop any backwards hardware capability.  ( or bloat the
os more with dual capability ??? ) 

 

 Chicken or the Egg ?

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks,  Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Steven M. Caesare [mailto:scaes...@caesare.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:53 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

It will be interesting to see if this version manages to do what EFI didn't.

 

-sc

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:00 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight
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RE: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

2010-10-01 Thread Carl Houseman
Had this really been about sales/marketing, of course I would recommend a
3rd party delivery.

But it's not.  In case you missed it, it's about sending weekly status to
customers who ask for it.  They currently do this with Outlook and a DL.
I'm pushing Groupman to get past the DL-membership limit in Outlook
pre-2007SP2 and so customers can self-remove if they want.  Constant Contact
has been mentioned as an alternative, but paying $180/yr to do what they now
do for free is a tough sell.

Can't believe nobody in this large crowd has ever tried Groupman though.  I
guess if I get the opportunity I'll try to post back to let everybody know
how it went.

Carl

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From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

Yeah... Black-listing is a good reason to let someone else do your
mass-mailing for you. Also, would be a good idea to get confirmation from
those that you are going to be sending regular mailings to that they are
willing to accept those regular mailings, otherwise, you'll start getting
spam complaints. Even with confirmation, you'll probably get spam
complaints, but at least with confirmed opt-in, you can point to their
authorization to keep out of trouble. :-)




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From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

On 30 Sep 2010 at 15:25, Carl Houseman  wrote:  

 Well... I want to install the solution on an SBS 2003 server.I wonder
 how Mercury and Exchange would get along? (!) Yeah, I think NOT having a
 built-in mail server is a plus for this situation. 

You didn't mention that in the original mail.  You could easily run Mercury
in 
a VM.

 Not to mention it's $25 more expensive than Groupman. That might break
 the bank. :) But thanks for the suggestion. Carl 

I would agree with the other commenters that you risk a large expense if
your 
IP gets blacklisted.

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker
I liked the following:

Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a
 lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed.

They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in a
 lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to be extensible
 over time.


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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com wrote:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

 Probably well overdue, in hindsight

 --
 On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
 the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
 rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
 a question.




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RE: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

2010-10-01 Thread John Aldrich
Ahh...yeah, I missed that part. Still, having automated unsubscribe is a
good idea. :-) Good luck!




-Original Message-
From: Carl Houseman [mailto:c.house...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

Had this really been about sales/marketing, of course I would recommend a
3rd party delivery.

But it's not.  In case you missed it, it's about sending weekly status to
customers who ask for it.  They currently do this with Outlook and a DL.
I'm pushing Groupman to get past the DL-membership limit in Outlook
pre-2007SP2 and so customers can self-remove if they want.  Constant Contact
has been mentioned as an alternative, but paying $180/yr to do what they now
do for free is a tough sell.

Can't believe nobody in this large crowd has ever tried Groupman though.  I
guess if I get the opportunity I'll try to post back to let everybody know
how it went.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:52 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

Yeah... Black-listing is a good reason to let someone else do your
mass-mailing for you. Also, would be a good idea to get confirmation from
those that you are going to be sending regular mailings to that they are
willing to accept those regular mailings, otherwise, you'll start getting
spam complaints. Even with confirmation, you'll probably get spam
complaints, but at least with confirmed opt-in, you can point to their
authorization to keep out of trouble. :-)




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From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:08 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Free/cheap mailing list software - feedback on Groupman?

On 30 Sep 2010 at 15:25, Carl Houseman  wrote:  

 Well... I want to install the solution on an SBS 2003 server.I wonder
 how Mercury and Exchange would get along? (!) Yeah, I think NOT having a
 built-in mail server is a plus for this situation. 

You didn't mention that in the original mail.  You could easily run Mercury
in 
a VM.

 Not to mention it's $25 more expensive than Groupman. That might break
 the bank. :) But thanks for the suggestion. Carl 

I would agree with the other commenters that you risk a large expense if
your 
IP gets blacklisted.

--
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GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
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Hide folders in a shre for users without permissions to that subfolder?

2010-10-01 Thread Phil FromWork
Windows 2003 SP1

I have a share on my file server called Share1

Under Share1 I have multiple subfolders.

Permissions are not inherited to the subfolders.

How do I prevents users from seeing the subfolders they do nto have
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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote:
 I liked the following:

 Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a
 lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed.

 They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in
 a lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to be extensible
 over time.

 This is a reminder to each of us that even the most short-term of solutions
 needs to be fairly well thought out, because short-term in theory might not
 be short-term in practice.

  +4294967295

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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Maglinger, Paul
Like the Y2K issue?

 

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 10:01 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

I liked the following:

 

Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it
to have a lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long
been surpassed.

They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive
and well in a lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to
be extensible over time.

 

This is a reminder to each of us that even the most short-term of
solutions needs to be fairly well thought out, because short-term in
theory might not be short-term in practice.

 

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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight

-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put
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not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could
provoke such a question.

 

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Re: Hide folders in a shre for users without permissions to that subfolder?

2010-10-01 Thread Jonathan Link
This should get you going in the right direction...
http://blogs.technet.com/b/filecab/archive/2008/10/09/storage-tips-access-based-enumeration-hidden-secrets-no-pun-intended.aspx



On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Phil FromWork philfromw...@gmail.comwrote:

 Windows 2003 SP1

 I have a share on my file server called Share1

 Under Share1 I have multiple subfolders.

 Permissions are not inherited to the subfolders.

 How do I prevents users from seeing the subfolders they do nto have
 any permissions too..

 Currently they get an error saying Access denied I need to prevent
 them from seeing the folder altogether.

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andrew S. Baker
Something like that...


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On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.comwrote:

  Like the Y2K issue?



 *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 10:01 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...



 I liked the following:



 Mr Doran said the creators of the original Bios only expected it to have a
 lifetime of about 250,000 machines - a figure that has long been surpassed.

  They are as amazed as anyone else that now it is still alive and well in
 a lot of systems, he said. It was never really designed to be extensible
 over time.



 This is a reminder to each of us that even the most short-term of solutions
 needs to be fairly well thought out, because short-term in theory might not
 be short-term in practice.



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  On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 6:59 AM, James Rankin kz2...@googlemail.com
 wrote:

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

 Probably well overdue, in hindsight



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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com wrote:
 Like the Y2K issue?

   It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
current year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109 show
up on Verizon's website as recently as last year.

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RE: Hide folders in a shre for users without permissions to that subfolder?

2010-10-01 Thread Paul Gordon
The feature you need to work your Google-FU on is called Access Based
Enumeration -
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/abe.mspx 

Paul G.

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From: Phil FromWork [mailto:philfromw...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 01 October 2010 16:33
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Hide folders in a shre for users without permissions to that
subfolder?

Windows 2003 SP1

I have a share on my file server called Share1

Under Share1 I have multiple subfolders.

Permissions are not inherited to the subfolders.

How do I prevents users from seeing the subfolders they do nto have any
permissions too..

Currently they get an error saying Access denied I need to prevent them
from seeing the folder altogether.

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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they
bother?

-sc

 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 11:52 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
 
 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Maglinger, Paul pmaglin...@scvl.com
 wrote:
  Like the Y2K issue?
 
It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
 entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
 expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
current
 year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109 show up on
Verizon's
 website as recently as last year.
 
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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Paul Gordon
But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we're all used to saying
Bye-ohs, what about UEFI??? - perhaps You-fee or how about you-ay-fee
or even you-ee-fee 

 

These things matter!!!

 

J

 

Paul G.

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight

-- 
On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Jonathan Link
Probably the same thing we call our equipment.
You effing mo...  Oh, sorry.



On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Paul Gordon paul_gor...@hotmail.comwrote:

  But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we’re all used to saying
 “Bye-ohs”, what about UEFI??? – perhaps “You-fee” or how about “you-ay-fee”
 or even “you-ee-fee”



 These things matter!!!



 J



 Paul G.





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 *Sent:* 01 October 2010 12:00

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* The end of the BIOS is nigh...



 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

 Probably well overdue, in hindsight

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread RichardMcClary
Reminds me of a university choral organization to which I belong...

A breathing exercise/warm-up has us going  F...   S...  SH... 
repeaditly.  All I can think when doing this is, Hey, that's been my 
whole afternoon!

Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote on 10/01/2010 11:32:43 AM:

 Probably the same thing we call our equipment.
 You effing mo...  Oh, sorry.
 
 
  
 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:30 PM, Paul Gordon paul_gor...@hotmail.com 
wrote:
 But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we?re all used to 
 saying ?Bye-ohs?, what about UEFI??? ? perhaps ?You-fee? or how 
 about ?you-ay-fee? or even ?you-ee-fee? 
  
 These things matter!!!
  
 J
  
 Paul G.
  
  
 From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
 Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00 
 
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh... 
  
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069
 
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 am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that
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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Andy Shook
Awesome.

Down in the south it's Hey, Bubba.  Git to peckin' on that thar F1 key so you 
can dun git into th' configurin' screen 'n such

Shook

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

I don't know about the rest of the northern people, but here near Philly, 
it's not BIOS, it's Yo, Frankie, hit f1 to get into that setup thingy.

Don Guyer
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From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

I always found it amusing when my northern counterparts pronounce it as by-ause.

Freakin' Yankees :)

Shook

From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gor...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we're all used to saying 
Bye-ohs, what about UEFI??? - perhaps You-fee or how about you-ay-fee or 
even you-ee-fee

These things matter!!!

:)

Paul G.


From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight

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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Kim Longenbaugh
However, the universal reply is always Byte me

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

Awesome.

 

Down in the south it's Hey, Bubba.  Git to peckin' on that thar F1 key
so you can dun git into th' configurin' screen 'n such

 

Shook

 

From: Don Guyer [mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

I don't know about the rest of the northern people, but here near
Philly, it's not BIOS, it's Yo, Frankie, hit f1 to get into that setup
thingy.

 

Don Guyer

Systems Engineer - Information Services

Prudential, Fox  Roach/Trident Group

431 W. Lancaster Avenue

Devon, PA 19333

Direct: (610) 993-3299

Fax: (610) 650-5306

don.gu...@prufoxroach.com

 

From: Andy Shook [mailto:andy.sh...@peak10.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

I always found it amusing when my northern counterparts pronounce it as
by-ause.  

 

Freakin' Yankees J 

 

Shook

 

From: Paul Gordon [mailto:paul_gor...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 12:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

But how will we pronounce the new acronym?... we're all used to saying
Bye-ohs, what about UEFI??? - perhaps You-fee or how about
you-ay-fee or even you-ee-fee 

 

These things matter!!!

 

J

 

Paul G.

 

 

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: 01 October 2010 12:00
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11430069

Probably well overdue, in hindsight

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not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could
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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com wrote:
  It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
 entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
 expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
 current year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109 show
 up on Verizon's website as recently as last year.

 Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they
 bother?

  Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century.

  And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000.  There's a good
chance some people reading this list will be alive for that.

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread James Kerr
You think people will be reading the archives of this list in the around 
year 3000?



- Original Message - 
From: Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com

To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...


On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com 
wrote:

 It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
current year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109 show
up on Verizon's website as recently as last year.


Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they
bother?


 Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the 
century.


 And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000.  There's a good
chance some people reading this list will be alive for that.

-- Ben

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Jonathan Link
What about the 2038 problem?

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare scaes...@caesare.com
 wrote:
   It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
  entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
  expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
  current year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109 show
  up on Verizon's website as recently as last year.
 
  Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they
  bother?

  Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the century.

  And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000.  There's a good
 chance some people reading this list will be alive for that.

 -- Ben

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Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 What about the 2038 problem?

  That's a somewhat different beast.

  Y2K is mainly a human factors problem, as it's humans who like
two-digit years, not computers.  (Contrary to popular belief, data
storage capacity was *not* the big contributor to Y2K.)  2038 is a
straight technology capacity limit.

  As far as Y2038 goes... conventional thinking is that everyone will
have moved to a 64-bit signed integer before it becomes a problem.
Per the spec, time_t is an opaque data structure, so properly-written
code won't notice.  [pause for laughter]  But even code that does math
directly on time_t prolly won't care, since the math should be the
same.  If you need binary compatibility with old data structures,
though... well, sucks to be you.

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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Don Guyer
That's OK, it's all over by 2012.

 

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don.gu...@prufoxroach.com mailto:don.gu...@prufoxroach.com 

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

What about the 2038 problem?

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare
scaes...@caesare.com wrote:
  It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
 entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
 expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
 current year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109 show
 up on Verizon's website as recently as last year.


 Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they
 bother?

 Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the
century.

 And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000.  There's a good
chance some people reading this list will be alive for that.

-- Ben


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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Kim Longenbaugh
Don't forget 12/21/2012...

 

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

 

What about the 2038 problem?

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare
scaes...@caesare.com wrote:
  It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
 entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
 expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
 current year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109 show
 up on Verizon's website as recently as last year.


 Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they
 bother?

 Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the
century.

 And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000.  There's a good
chance some people reading this list will be alive for that.

-- Ben


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Re: Why did Inbound and Outbound replication get disabled?

2010-10-01 Thread William Robbins
Since no one else has ventured an opinion I will, hesitantly, offer mine.

My thoughts are that you may have had an issue similar to what is discussed
here when a DC is restored from backups, and had a USN rollback.

http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx

Again, only my opinion based on the info presented.



 - WJR


On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 22:52, Christopher Bodnar 
christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote:

 W2K3 FFL:

 I did a P2P migration tonight with PlateSpin on (2) domain controllers. One
 of them holds the RID and Infrastructure FSMO roles (SERVER1), and the other
 held the Schema role(SERVER2).  Everything looked good until the end when I
 started looking at replication. SERVER1 wasn't replicating. Initially I
 thought it was an issue with both of them being down at the same time, and I
 waited till SERVER2 was back online, but  SERVER1 still wouldn't replicate.
 Finally ran DCDIAG and found that both Inbound and Outbound replication were
 disabled on SERVER1. Enabled them both and all was well.

 Any thoughts as to how this got disabled in the process? I've done a number
 of PlateSpin migrations and never ran into this. Although I can't say I've
 done it on a FSMO role holder, or at least one that had these 2 specific
 roles.

 Any thoughts?

 Thanks



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Outbound Email Checking

2010-10-01 Thread Level Five - List
I have a client who has been tasked with outbound mail scanning for content.
I was looking at GFI Mail Security, im pretty sure their older version used
to have something where you could stop outbound mail if it had keywords and
that mail would get forwarded to their 'manager' who could then approve it
to continue. 

 

It looks like their latest version is more set on inbound scanning with
multi a/v engines etc, so Im back to the drawing board on finding if there
is something out there. The client is e2k7sp2. 

 

Thx

 


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RE: Outbound Email Checking

2010-10-01 Thread John Cook
Transport rules
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa997187(EXCHG.80).aspx

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Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Outbound Email Checking

You can do pretty much any outbound scanning that you want with Exchange 
Transport Rules.

Regards,

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Subject: Outbound Email Checking

I have a client who has been tasked with outbound mail scanning for content. I 
was looking at GFI Mail Security, im pretty sure their older version used to 
have something where you could stop outbound mail if it had keywords and that 
mail would get forwarded to their 'manager' who could then approve it to 
continue.

It looks like their latest version is more set on inbound scanning with multi 
a/v engines etc, so Im back to the drawing board on finding if there is 
something out there. The client is e2k7sp2.

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Re: Why did Inbound and Outbound replication get disabled?

2010-10-01 Thread William Robbins
I'd have to agree with that.

 - WJR


On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 14:39, Level Five - List li...@levelfive.us wrote:

 Most reading I have done in the past is to not convert your DC’s on the
 fly.. In every migration I have done, I would create a new DC vm, migrate
 the roles to it from the physical box, and then convert it, or take the
 physical offline completely.







 *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 3:08 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Why did Inbound and Outbound replication get disabled?



 Since no one else has ventured an opinion I will, hesitantly, offer mine.

 My thoughts are that you may have had an issue similar to what is discussed
 here when a DC is restored from backups, and had a USN rollback.

 http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx

 Again, only my opinion based on the info presented.



  - WJR

 On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 22:52, Christopher Bodnar 
 christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote:

 W2K3 FFL:

 I did a P2P migration tonight with PlateSpin on (2) domain controllers. One
 of them holds the RID and Infrastructure FSMO roles (SERVER1), and the other
 held the Schema role(SERVER2).  Everything looked good until the end when I
 started looking at replication. SERVER1 wasn't replicating. Initially I
 thought it was an issue with both of them being down at the same time, and I
 waited till SERVER2 was back online, but  SERVER1 still wouldn't replicate.
 Finally ran DCDIAG and found that both Inbound and Outbound replication were
 disabled on SERVER1. Enabled them both and all was well.

 Any thoughts as to how this got disabled in the process? I've done a number
 of PlateSpin migrations and never ran into this. Although I can't say I've
 done it on a FSMO role holder, or at least one that had these 2 specific
 roles.

 Any thoughts?

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RE: Outbound Email Checking

2010-10-01 Thread David Mazzaccaro
We use MessageLabs here



From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Outbound Email Checking



You can do pretty much any outbound scanning that you want with Exchange
Transport Rules.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 

From: Level Five - List [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Outbound Email Checking

 

I have a client who has been tasked with outbound mail scanning for
content. I was looking at GFI Mail Security, im pretty sure their older
version used to have something where you could stop outbound mail if it
had keywords and that mail would get forwarded to their 'manager' who
could then approve it to continue. 

 

It looks like their latest version is more set on inbound scanning with
multi a/v engines etc, so Im back to the drawing board on finding if
there is something out there. The client is e2k7sp2. 

 

Thx

 

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RE: The end of the BIOS is nigh...

2010-10-01 Thread Steven M. Caesare
I was more commenting in the laziness of people.

-sc

 -Original Message-
 From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:01 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: The end of the BIOS is nigh...
 
 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Steven M. Caesare
scaes...@caesare.com
 wrote:
   It's interesting to note that Y2K bugs keep happening, even in
  entirely new code.   It's amazing how many programmers just don't
  expect users to enter a two-digit year, or assume tm.tm_year is the
  current year not -1900, or whatever.  I've saw years like 109
show
  up on Verizon's website as recently as last year.
 
  Everybody programming now will be dead in 3000... why should they
  bother?
 
   Point was, Y2K problems don't show up only around the turn of the
century.
 
   And 2100 will actually be the next time, not 3000.  There's a good
chance
 some people reading this list will be alive for that.
 
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RE: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com)

2010-10-01 Thread Marc Maiffret
Indeed we hate web visitors, especially to our online store! :) Happy Friday! 
-Marc

From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com)

Don't you get it, Marc wants you to stay away from his site!  Didn't you get 
the memo? :)


Webster

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Subject: RE: eeye eeye eeye oh! (www.eeye.com)

Websense handles our filtering...oddly if we RDP to one of our COLO servers it 
does work. If I specify a public DNS server (OpenDNS, or others) from a PC 
experience this weird symptom I get the same maintenance page.

Somehow feels like a router-y thing...unless it's a Websense issue which is 
kind of the same thing...

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Online backup downselect

2010-10-01 Thread Ben Scott
Hi all,

  Looking at online backup solutions for a couple of very small
offices.  New product field for me.  I've been reading docs and specs
and stuff, and come to the conclusion that they all work for the
basics.  So, anyone here used *more than one* and care to comment on
strengths of one vs another?   Or anyone have any never do this
stories they'd like to share?

  Note: Comments of the form I've used X and liked it. are not
especially helpful, since I've already determined that lots of people
are happy.  :)  I'm looking for I've used X and Y and like X better
because... or I've used X and had trouble with

  Requirements are simple: Win XP, Vista, and/or 7; one to three PCs;
no servers; consumer Internet connection; backing up a few gigabytes
of files total (tops); fairly little change on a daily basis; no
special software (just Office and QuickBooks); restores within a day
or two is fine.  Versioning of changes is wanted but it looks like
they all do that.

  advTHANKSance

-- Ben

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Re: Outbound Email Checking

2010-10-01 Thread Sean Martin
ProofPoint here. A lot happier with their latest version.

- Sean

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM, David Mazzaccaro 
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote:

  We use MessageLabs here

  --
  *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 3:43 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Outbound Email Checking

You can do pretty much any outbound scanning that you want with
 Exchange Transport Rules.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/



 *From:* Level Five - List [mailto:li...@levelfive.us]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 3:37 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Outbound Email Checking



 I have a client who has been tasked with outbound mail scanning for
 content. I was looking at GFI Mail Security, im pretty sure their older
 version used to have something where you could stop outbound mail if it had
 keywords and that mail would get forwarded to their ‘manager’ who could then
 approve it to continue.



 It looks like their latest version is more set on inbound scanning with
 multi a/v engines etc, so Im back to the drawing board on finding if there
 is something out there. The client is e2k7sp2.



 Thx



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RE: Outbound Email Checking

2010-10-01 Thread Malcolm Reitz
Are you running it your Proofpoint server(s) in a VM or on an appliance?
We're in the process of moving ours to a virtual environment and have had to
make some adaptations to the recommended VM configuration to address
performance issues.

 

-Malcolm

 

From: Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 16:20
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Outbound Email Checking

 

ProofPoint here. A lot happier with their latest version. 

 

- Sean

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM, David Mazzaccaro
david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote:

We use MessageLabs here

 

  _  

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Outbound Email Checking

You can do pretty much any outbound scanning that you want with Exchange
Transport Rules.

 

Regards,

 

Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/ 

 

From: Level Five - List [mailto:li...@levelfive.us] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Outbound Email Checking

 

I have a client who has been tasked with outbound mail scanning for content.
I was looking at GFI Mail Security, im pretty sure their older version used
to have something where you could stop outbound mail if it had keywords and
that mail would get forwarded to their 'manager' who could then approve it
to continue. 

 

It looks like their latest version is more set on inbound scanning with
multi a/v engines etc, so Im back to the drawing board on finding if there
is something out there. The client is e2k7sp2. 

 

Thx

 

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Re: Outbound Email Checking

2010-10-01 Thread Sean Martin
We've got 4 appliances.

- Sean

On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Malcolm Reitz malcolm.re...@live.comwrote:

  Are you running it your Proofpoint server(s) in a VM or on an appliance?
 We’re in the process of moving ours to a virtual environment and have had to
 make some adaptations to the recommended VM configuration to address
 performance issues.



 -Malcolm



 *From:* Sean Martin [mailto:seanmarti...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 16:20

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: Outbound Email Checking



 ProofPoint here. A lot happier with their latest version.



 - Sean

 On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 11:54 AM, David Mazzaccaro 
 david.mazzacc...@hudsonmobility.com wrote:

 We use MessageLabs here


  --

 *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 3:43 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* RE: Outbound Email Checking

 You can do pretty much any outbound scanning that you want with Exchange
 Transport Rules.



 Regards,



 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/



 *From:* Level Five - List [mailto:li...@levelfive.us]
 *Sent:* Friday, October 01, 2010 3:37 PM
 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Outbound Email Checking



 I have a client who has been tasked with outbound mail scanning for
 content. I was looking at GFI Mail Security, im pretty sure their older
 version used to have something where you could stop outbound mail if it had
 keywords and that mail would get forwarded to their ‘manager’ who could then
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 is something out there. The client is e2k7sp2.



 Thx



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RE: Tower Climbing

2010-10-01 Thread Steven M. Caesare
Ya. Too bad the camcorder wasn't able to catch more if it, but how
tragic...

-sc

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Tower Climbing

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:48 PM, Steven M. Caesare
scaes...@caesare.com wrote:
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqygUApfnZg

  Finally got a chance to watch this.

  F*ck me.

-- Ben

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RE: Online backup downselect

2010-10-01 Thread Sam Cayze
I have used Mozy Pro/Business for a few years.  Love it.  EMC owns it.
Versioning, great reporting, email alerts, great management portal with
robust policy management, quotas, encryption, throttling, etc.  They
even support VSS, SQL, and Exchange.

Their new software enables a local copy to be made as well as the Cloud.

Used to use my own systems of rSync, SSH, scripts, etc for ages. It just
got to be too much to manage on mobile systems.  Now I just use that
stuff for Servers/Wan or Internal backups.

http://mozy.com/pro/features/

Sam




-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Online backup downselect

Hi all,

  Looking at online backup solutions for a couple of very small
offices.  New product field for me.  I've been reading docs and specs
and stuff, and come to the conclusion that they all work for the
basics.  So, anyone here used *more than one* and care to comment on
strengths of one vs another?   Or anyone have any never do this
stories they'd like to share?

  Note: Comments of the form I've used X and liked it. are not
especially helpful, since I've already determined that lots of people
are happy.  :)  I'm looking for I've used X and Y and like X better
because... or I've used X and had trouble with

  Requirements are simple: Win XP, Vista, and/or 7; one to three PCs;
no servers; consumer Internet connection; backing up a few gigabytes
of files total (tops); fairly little change on a daily basis; no
special software (just Office and QuickBooks); restores within a day
or two is fine.  Versioning of changes is wanted but it looks like
they all do that.

  advTHANKSance

-- Ben

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Re: Online backup downselect

2010-10-01 Thread Steven Peck
I've used the Microsoft's Mesh for my wife's system.  It works great and has
saved her from several issues.
I currently have a Windows Home Server that does the image based backups
every night.  I am considering getting an online backup solution for just
that box.  Local copies then if I lose that box I can restore from online.

My co-worker uses Mozy because he likes the larger data storge then MS Mesh
(25GB I think) and he has thousands of pictures.  His hard drive died
recently and he spent 3 days streaming down all the files to restore them
but they were all there.  This is why I like the WHS as an intermediate
device.

Steven


On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

  Looking at online backup solutions for a couple of very small
 offices.  New product field for me.  I've been reading docs and specs
 and stuff, and come to the conclusion that they all work for the
 basics.  So, anyone here used *more than one* and care to comment on
 strengths of one vs another?   Or anyone have any never do this
 stories they'd like to share?

  Note: Comments of the form I've used X and liked it. are not
 especially helpful, since I've already determined that lots of people
 are happy.  :)  I'm looking for I've used X and Y and like X better
 because... or I've used X and had trouble with

  Requirements are simple: Win XP, Vista, and/or 7; one to three PCs;
 no servers; consumer Internet connection; backing up a few gigabytes
 of files total (tops); fairly little change on a daily basis; no
 special software (just Office and QuickBooks); restores within a day
 or two is fine.  Versioning of changes is wanted but it looks like
 they all do that.

  advTHANKSance

 -- Ben

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RE: Why did Inbound and Outbound replication get disabled?

2010-10-01 Thread Brian Desmond
This was my thought as well. I'd agree with others that it's not worth the risk 
using these cloning apps with DCs. The work to do the dcpromo down/up is 
trivial. If replication traffic is an issue cook off IFM media from the current 
DC and them promote from media on the new box.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:08 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Why did Inbound and Outbound replication get disabled?

Since no one else has ventured an opinion I will, hesitantly, offer mine.

My thoughts are that you may have had an issue similar to what is discussed 
here when a DC is restored from backups, and had a USN rollback.

http://blogs.dirteam.com/blogs/jorge/archive/2006/03/08/597.aspx

Again, only my opinion based on the info presented.



 - WJR

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 22:52, Christopher Bodnar 
christopher_bod...@glic.commailto:christopher_bod...@glic.com wrote:
W2K3 FFL:

I did a P2P migration tonight with PlateSpin on (2) domain controllers. One of 
them holds the RID and Infrastructure FSMO roles (SERVER1), and the other held 
the Schema role(SERVER2).  Everything looked good until the end when I started 
looking at replication. SERVER1 wasn't replicating. Initially I thought it was 
an issue with both of them being down at the same time, and I waited till 
SERVER2 was back online, but  SERVER1 still wouldn't replicate. Finally ran 
DCDIAG and found that both Inbound and Outbound replication were disabled on 
SERVER1. Enabled them both and all was well.

Any thoughts as to how this got disabled in the process? I've done a number of 
PlateSpin migrations and never ran into this. Although I can't say I've done it 
on a FSMO role holder, or at least one that had these 2 specific roles.

Any thoughts?

Thanks



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RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory

2010-10-01 Thread Brian Desmond
Offhand I don't remember, but, if you go in GPMC and open up the Default Domain 
 DC policies, you can browse down to computer\windows settings\security 
settings\user rights assignment and do browse through there assuming you 
haven't twiddled with the defaults.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 1:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory

Wowthis thread went off on one.

Not to try and resurrect it or anythingbut I recall that you mentioned some 
strange permissions on DCs that could be inherited by the Server Operators 
group. Do you have any further details on these - purely out of interest. I 
know a few admins who've used the group for certain things and I might mention 
it to them when I see them next.

Cheers,
On 30 September 2010 23:16, Brian Desmond 
br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com wrote:
Alright guys. I really am flattered that you all respect me so much in this 
space, but, we need to remember that everyone is entitled to their own opinion 
regardless of whether or not we agree with them. William and I chatted offline 
and we're good, so I think at this point we need to just kill this thread.

To circle back to the technical details of the OP's long lost question, 
whatever you deny can be worked around by someone in the Domain Admins group if 
they so desire. You need to have a serious discussion with your management 
chain and if they're not going to listen and I were in your shoes I'd suggest 
they hire a third party consultant to review your design and their requirements 
and determine how to best merge them.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.commailto:br...@briandesmond.com

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From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.orgmailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 5:12 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory

Are you guys blasting Shookie again?
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families


From: William Robbins dangerw...@gmail.commailto:dangerw...@gmail.com
To: NT System Admin Issues 
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Sent: Thu Sep 30 17:59:00 2010
Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory
Micrometers.

 - WJR
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 16:58, Mathew Shember 
mathew.shem...@synopsys.commailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com wrote:
Isn't that what tweezers are for?


-Original Message-
From: Joseph Heaton [mailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.govmailto:jhea...@dfg.ca.gov]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory

are the measurement increments on your tape measure small enough?

 Kim Longenbaugh k...@colonialsavings.commailto:k...@colonialsavings.com 
 9/30/2010 2:44 PM 
Do you have a tape measure or would you like to borrow one?



From: Mathew Shember 
[mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.commailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory



Alright I will ask.



What exactly are your credentials?





Thanks,

Mathew



From: William J. Robbins 
[mailto:dangerw...@gmail.commailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 2:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Restricting groups in Active Directory



Look I didn't start picking his statement apart without asking who he
was or what his experience is.

He did it to me.

No one seems interested to know my credentials so I'm not about to start
some technical d!ck measuring contest.

Fact is I've seen his resume and I've been doing this longer.

I'm glad he had the opportunity to work at HP and all the benefits an MS
partnered company incurs, like MVP status, and publishing books. I know
lots of HP folks who've done the same.

Just because I'm not working as a consultant to run in put a directory
in and fly off...doesn't mean I don't have experience.

Now if you'll excuse me there is a Guinness with my name on it calling
me.


WJR
- from my Crackberry.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.



From: Webster carlwebs...@gmail.commailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com

Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 16:29:21 -0500

To: NT System Admin 
Issuesntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

ReplyTo: NT System Admin Issues
ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

Subject: RE: Restricting groups in Active Directory



Did you actually just ask Brian Desmond that?



To continue the thought, how many conferences have you spoken at?  How
many books have you written or been asked to provide content for?  How
long has Microsoft recognized you for you AD expertise?



As an 

RE: Online backup downselect

2010-10-01 Thread Level Five - List
If the data isn't too large you can use MS Mesh, I share it with my team
here for all our clients docs/proposals/quotes, then I have one for my
qbooks data that syncs between home, office, laptop so I always have my
latest qbook data. Seems to work well.

A friend of mine uses Skydrive and one of those drive mounting apps on
several computers for some larger files and has been working well for him
for awhile now. The nice thing about having it as a drive letter is easy for
people to find and use the docs in there.


-Original Message-
From: Joseph L. Casale [mailto:jcas...@activenetwerx.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Online backup downselect

Dropbox, does what you want.

At a few sites I look after, they have a very small infrastructure with a
user at each working from home and office and wanting several gig of
docs/pics available in realtime at both, sigh...

I redirected the personal/pics/favs etc into a Dropbox folder. While she is
at work it happily updates and versions, and by the time she gets home its
always done and ready for her to continue working.

Just for safety sake, I nightly rsync this from her work pc to their single
Linux server and version. Been running well for a while.

jlc


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 2:47 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Online backup downselect

Hi all,

  Looking at online backup solutions for a couple of very small offices.
New product field for me.  I've been reading docs and specs and stuff, and
come to the conclusion that they all work for the basics.  So, anyone here
used *more than one* and care to comment on
strengths of one vs another?   Or anyone have any never do this
stories they'd like to share?

  Note: Comments of the form I've used X and liked it. are not especially
helpful, since I've already determined that lots of people are happy.  :)
I'm looking for I've used X and Y and like X better because... or I've
used X and had trouble with

  Requirements are simple: Win XP, Vista, and/or 7; one to three PCs; no
servers; consumer Internet connection; backing up a few gigabytes of files
total (tops); fairly little change on a daily basis; no special software
(just Office and QuickBooks); restores within a day or two is fine.
Versioning of changes is wanted but it looks like they all do that.

  advTHANKSance

-- Ben

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