RE: Phone / data plan / consultants

[Sam Cayze]

I have to chime in and say I love the LogMeIn remote access.  Only in a bind 
though.  Great for when you are away from your desk, traveling, vaca, etc.  
Many times, I don’t even bring my laptop on business or vaca trips anymore.  I 
have all my employees on LogMeIn, so if they need some hands on help, I can 
just remote into their machine.  Same with my workstation – I can then access 
any server consoles/mmc’s from there.

 

You said something about 4G… I live in a 4G area, and I almost always leave my 
phone on 3G.  (Sprint’s 3G is pretty fast still…)  Even LogMeIn works fine on 
3G.

 

As for security, treat them all as very insecure.  Depends on the week, but all 
platforms have big security issues at times.

 

Sam

 

 

 

From: Bob Hartung [mailto:bhart...@wiscoind.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Phone / data plan / consultants

 

I've got a Motorola Droid Razr and I've played around with VNC for remoting 
into PCs and with the screen resolutions most people run, it's a pretty tedious 
experience.

However, there is an external keyboard/monitor unit for the Razr which is about 
the size of a 13" laptop but much lighter. They were selling it for about $200. 
I guess it really depends on how much remoting you do and whether the Razr 
would do everything you'd need. Cheaper than a laptop and no additional data 
costs.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com

  _  

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:27:44 -0600
Subject: Phone / data plan / consultants

So….my old LG NV phone (read: not smartphone). As a SMB consultant I have been 
slow to adopt a smartphone/tablet as I have few enough clients that it’s been a 
non-issue. With my phone now acting up (I’ve had it over two years and am 
eligible for a discounted upgrade from Verizon) it’s time for a re-evaluation.

 

I use LogMeIn as my remote access solution, and it would be handy to have 
access to it whenever I have cell service. The question is, any reason NOT to 
get 4G for the simple convenience of a mobile hotspot? Is the Android OS enough 
of a security concern to justify going with the evil empire Apple iOS?

 

Anyone else recently go through this?

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

 

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Re: Phone / data plan / consultants

[Bob Hartung]

I've got a Motorola Droid Razr and I've played around with VNC for remoting 
into PCs and with the screen resolutions most people run, it's a pretty tedious 
experience.

However, there is an external keyboard/monitor unit for the Razr which is about 
the size of a 13" laptop but much lighter. They were selling it for about $200. 
I guess it really depends on how much remoting you do and whether the Razr 
would do everything you'd need. Cheaper than a laptop and no additional data 
costs.

--

Bob Hartung
Dir of I.T.
Wisco Industries, Inc.
736 Janesville St.
Oregon, WI 53575
Tel: (608) 835-3106 x215
Fax: (608) 835-7399
e-mail: bhartung(at)wiscoind.com
  _  

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
To: NT System Admin Issues [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:27:44 -0600
Subject: Phone / data plan / consultants




So….my old LG NV phone (read: not smartphone). As a SMB consultant I have been 
slow to adopt a smartphone/tablet as I have few enough clients that it’s been a 
non-issue. With my phone now acting up (I’ve had it over two years and am 
eligible for a discounted upgrade from Verizon) it’s time for a re-evaluation.

 

I use LogMeIn as my remote access solution, and it would be handy to have 
access to it whenever I have cell service. The question is, any reason NOT to 
get 4G for the simple convenience of a mobile hotspot? Is the Android OS enough 
of a security concern to justify going with the evil empire Apple iOS?

 

Anyone else recently go through this?

David Lum 
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764

   

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RE: Phone / data plan / consultants

[Kennedy, Jim]

The mobile hotspot on VZ will cost extra FYI. Direct usb tether is hit or miss 
on their phones as far as being free. Currently free on my Bionic but previous 
system you had to have the mobile hotspot. Don't know which was a mistake or if 
there has been a policy change. 4G is not a requirement for a mobile hotspot, 
3G will do it although slower of course. I don't think there is any substantial 
difference in security between android or Iphone.

Personally I can't see (pun intended) much in the way of remote access via a 
phone. Not enough real estate to see it decently. Tablet at the least for me 
anyway. Or tether it to a laptop.

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Phone / data plan / consultants

Somy old LG NV phone (read: not smartphone). As a SMB consultant I have 
been slow to adopt a smartphone/tablet as I have few enough clients that it's 
been a non-issue. With my phone now acting up (I've had it over two years and 
am eligible for a discounted upgrade from Verizon) it's time for a 
re-evaluation.

I use LogMeIn as my remote access solution, and it would be handy to have 
access to it whenever I have cell service. The question is, any reason NOT to 
get 4G for the simple convenience of a mobile hotspot? Is the Android OS enough 
of a security concern to justify going with the evil empire Apple iOS?

Anyone else recently go through this?
David Lum
Systems Engineer // NWEATM
Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764


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Re: Phone / data plan / consultants

[Kurt Buff]

I find smartphone screens so small as to be nearly useless for remote
control, and when coupled with the lack of a decent keyboard the whole
thing is just too painful for me to bear. I also don't like the phones
for email access either - I get so much email that it's worthless for
that as well, and again, the lack of a decent keyboard is crippling.

If you want the smartphone just for fast access, you might want to
talk with Verizon about getting a USB modem for your laptop, and get
another dumb phone, and then perhaps take a look at one of the new
Ultrabooks, with really fast boot times, so that checking on things
isn't so slow as booting a standard laptop.

Kurt

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 08:27, David Lum  wrote:
> So….my old LG NV phone (read: not smartphone). As a SMB consultant I have
> been slow to adopt a smartphone/tablet as I have few enough clients that
> it’s been a non-issue. With my phone now acting up (I’ve had it over two
> years and am eligible for a discounted upgrade from Verizon) it’s time for a
> re-evaluation.
>
>
>
> I use LogMeIn as my remote access solution, and it would be handy to have
> access to it whenever I have cell service. The question is, any reason NOT
> to get 4G for the simple convenience of a mobile hotspot? Is the Android OS
> enough of a security concern to justify going with the evil empire Apple
> iOS?
>
>
>
> Anyone else recently go through this?
>
> David Lum
> Systems Engineer // NWEATM
> Office 503.548.5229 // Cell (voice/text) 503.267.9764
>
>
>
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RE: Resources for consultants

[David Lum]

I went through a similar exercise when I thought about ditching %dayjob% 
completely and had to figure out how many hours I'd need to work to break even 
salary wise. Even though my on site hourly rate is more than 2x %dayjob% 
(although my remote rates aren't much higher than %dayjob% hourly equivalent) 
by the time I added up the benefits ,etc I would have to have work about 90% of 
%dayjob% hours (or raise my rates which admittedly are on the low-ish side for 
IT consulting) to break even.

Wow, the 1000 hours of actual "work" hours comes out within 1% if what I would 
make if I quit %dayjob% and replaced it with 1000 hours of %sidejob% hourly 
(on-site hourly anyway) rates!

Dave

From: Kat Aylward Langan [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 12:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resources for consultants

I have sent this before but will share again as it is relevant:

I have been asked a number of times recently by people moving from being an FTE 
to new Contracting gigs how I come up with a Contracting Rate.

I decided to write down my process.  This has been fine tuned over 20 year of 
contracting, and works pretty well.

Feel free to use or forward as you see fit.

I figure there are 2080 working hours in a normal year (2088 in a Leap year but 
I just use 2080)

exclude 320 hours a year for "vacations, sick leave, holidays, and other days 
you are not working due to kid stuff and mental health days"
exclude 320 hours a year for "training, education, testing new stuff in the 
home lab, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
Now you have 1000 hours left in the year that you will actually "work".

I normally worked as a W2 worker so that the contracting agency took care of 
paying my taxes, worker's comp, and other stuff that can impact you later (like 
unemployment insurance).   This is a VERY good thing!!

Figure out how much you need to make in a year to pay your bills as your low 
end number.

I usually started with a Gross Income number because I knew what my previous 
income was and I could figure a percentage of what I needed to pay bills. So...
Gross income of 60,000/yr equals $60/hr W2
Takehome income of 60,000/yr equals $85-90/hr W2 because the agency will take 
about 25-30% for taxes etc.
The good thing about doing it this way is that if you work more than 1000 hours 
in a calendar year, you are good to go.  You have figured out what you NEED to 
pay the bills, and anything else I think of as a Bonus.  In the Bay Area, I 
usually could get between 60-65/hour W2 as a PM, and about the same for an 
Exchange Geek.

Always quote a higher rate for a shorter contract and you can go lower on a 
longer contract.  If they offer you a 12 month contract, and you dont have to 
worry about these two time blocks, you can ask for a slightly lower rate:
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
In this case, I might ask for 65 and drop to a 59 rate as a "goodwill gesture" 
to the agency.  They can sometimes give you an idea of what the client is 
willing to pay, and I usually know up front if it is a rate I could work with.

If you are going 1099, all this changes...  I then usually tack on 40% onto the 
W2 rate, so if it was a 60/W2, it would be $100 on a 1099 contract.  You are 
then responsible for paying all your taxes and you HAVE to make sure you are 
working with an accountant to make sure you are holding enough $ aside during 
the year.  I didnt like 1099 because with all that $ coming in, I paid off a 
lot of bills and had to come up with the tax money the following April.  I will 
never do that again without an accountant telling me what to make payments on 
during the year.   This is why I now go only W2 for contracts.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Don't know your rate structure, but when I was starting out I used 
guru.com<http://guru.com> quite a bit, and a little later, 
crossloop.com<http://crossloop.com>.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com> 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Resources for consultants

Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit keen 
to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups where you 
can get more leads or openings for bits of consultancy work? Obviously I am in 
contact with former workplaces and c

RE: Resources for consultants

[Michael B. Smith]

Yes, I probably should've said "inexpensive" instead of cheap. :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 6:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resources for consultants

But she's NOT easy!!!  :)
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Gosh, lady, you are CHEAP! :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Kat Aylward Langan 
[mailto:messagel...@gmail.com<mailto:messagel...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:34 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resources for consultants

I have sent this before but will share again as it is relevant:

I have been asked a number of times recently by people moving from being an FTE 
to new Contracting gigs how I come up with a Contracting Rate.

I decided to write down my process.  This has been fine tuned over 20 year of 
contracting, and works pretty well.

Feel free to use or forward as you see fit.

I figure there are 2080 working hours in a normal year (2088 in a Leap year but 
I just use 2080)

exclude 320 hours a year for "vacations, sick leave, holidays, and other days 
you are not working due to kid stuff and mental health days"
exclude 320 hours a year for "training, education, testing new stuff in the 
home lab, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
Now you have 1000 hours left in the year that you will actually "work".

I normally worked as a W2 worker so that the contracting agency took care of 
paying my taxes, worker's comp, and other stuff that can impact you later (like 
unemployment insurance).   This is a VERY good thing!!

Figure out how much you need to make in a year to pay your bills as your low 
end number.

I usually started with a Gross Income number because I knew what my previous 
income was and I could figure a percentage of what I needed to pay bills. So...
Gross income of 60,000/yr equals $60/hr W2
Takehome income of 60,000/yr equals $85-90/hr W2 because the agency will take 
about 25-30% for taxes etc.
The good thing about doing it this way is that if you work more than 1000 hours 
in a calendar year, you are good to go.  You have figured out what you NEED to 
pay the bills, and anything else I think of as a Bonus.  In the Bay Area, I 
usually could get between 60-65/hour W2 as a PM, and about the same for an 
Exchange Geek.

Always quote a higher rate for a shorter contract and you can go lower on a 
longer contract.  If they offer you a 12 month contract, and you dont have to 
worry about these two time blocks, you can ask for a slightly lower rate:
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
In this case, I might ask for 65 and drop to a 59 rate as a "goodwill gesture" 
to the agency.  They can sometimes give you an idea of what the client is 
willing to pay, and I usually know up front if it is a rate I could work with.

If you are going 1099, all this changes...  I then usually tack on 40% onto the 
W2 rate, so if it was a 60/W2, it would be $100 on a 1099 contract.  You are 
then responsible for paying all your taxes and you HAVE to make sure you are 
working with an accountant to make sure you are holding enough $ aside during 
the year.  I didnt like 1099 because with all that $ coming in, I paid off a 
lot of bills and had to come up with the tax money the following April.  I will 
never do that again without an accountant telling me what to make payments on 
during the year.   This is why I now go only W2 for contracts.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Don't know your rate structure, but when I was starting out I used 
guru.com<http://guru.com> quite a bit, and a little later, 
crossloop.com<http://crossloop.com>.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com> 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Resources for consultants

Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit keen 
to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups where you 
can get more leads or openings for bits of consultancy work? Obviously I am in 
contact with former workplaces and colleagues, using LinkedIn and similar 
resources, just wondering if there are any more useful sites or groups that 

Re: Resources for consultants

[Don Ely]

But she's NOT easy!!!  :)

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  Gosh, lady, you are CHEAP! J
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kat Aylward Langan [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:34 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resources for consultants
>
> ** **
>
> I have sent this before but will share again as it is relevant:
>
> I have been asked a number of times recently by people moving from being an
> FTE to new Contracting gigs how I come up with a Contracting Rate.
>
> I decided to write down my process.  This has been fine tuned over 20 year
> of contracting, and works pretty well.
>
> Feel free to use or forward as you see fit.
>
> I figure there are 2080 working hours in a normal year (2088 in a Leap year
> but I just use 2080)
>
> exclude 320 hours a year for "vacations, sick leave, holidays, and other
> days you are not working due to kid stuff and mental health days"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "training, education, testing new stuff in the
> home lab, etc"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work
> time"
> Now you have 1000 hours left in the year that you will actually "work".
>
> I normally worked as a W2 worker so that the contracting agency took care
> of paying my taxes, worker's comp, and other stuff that can impact you later
> (like unemployment insurance).   This is a VERY good thing!!
>
> Figure out how much you need to make in a year to pay your bills as your
> low end number.
>
> I usually started with a Gross Income number because I knew what my
> previous income was and I could figure a percentage of what I needed to pay
> bills. So...
> Gross income of 60,000/yr equals $60/hr W2
> Takehome income of 60,000/yr equals $85-90/hr W2 because the agency will
> take about 25-30% for taxes etc.
> The good thing about doing it this way is that if you work more than 1000
> hours in a calendar year, you are good to go.  You have figured out what you
> NEED to pay the bills, and anything else I think of as a Bonus.  In the Bay
> Area, I usually could get between 60-65/hour W2 as a PM, and about the same
> for an Exchange Geek.
>
> Always quote a higher rate for a shorter contract and you can go lower on
> a longer contract.  If they offer you a 12 month contract, and you dont
> have to worry about these two time blocks, you can ask for a slightly lower
> rate:
> exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work
> time"
> In this case, I might ask for 65 and drop to a 59 rate as a "goodwill
> gesture" to the agency.  They can sometimes give you an idea of what the
> client is willing to pay, and I usually know up front if it is a rate I
> could work with.
>
> If you are going 1099, all this changes...  I then usually tack on 40% onto
> the W2 rate, so if it was a 60/W2, it would be $100 on a 1099 contract.
> You are then responsible for paying all your taxes and you HAVE to make sure
> you are working with an accountant to make sure you are holding enough $
> aside during the year.  I didnt like 1099 because with all that $ coming in,
> I paid off a lot of bills and had to come up with the tax money the
> following April.  I will never do that again without an accountant telling
> me what to make payments on during the year.   This is why I now go only W2
> for contracts.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Don't know your rate structure, but when I was starting out I used
> guru.com quite a bit, and a little later, crossloop.com.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Resources for consultants
>
> Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit
> keen to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups
> where you can get more leads or openings for bits of consultancy work?
> Obviously I am in contact with former workplaces and colleagues, using
> LinkedIn and similar resources, just wondering if there are any more useful
> 

Re: Resources for consultants

[Kat Aylward Langan]

Hehehe!  Well my rates are a "little different" that those numbers - I wrote
this down about 6 years ago and it was being written for someone not in the
IT industry.  I was using numbers closer to what they might be asking...
:-P

On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  Gosh, lady, you are CHEAP! J
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Kat Aylward Langan [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:34 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Resources for consultants
>
> ** **
>
> I have sent this before but will share again as it is relevant:
>
> I have been asked a number of times recently by people moving from being an
> FTE to new Contracting gigs how I come up with a Contracting Rate.
>
> I decided to write down my process.  This has been fine tuned over 20 year
> of contracting, and works pretty well.
>
> Feel free to use or forward as you see fit.
>
> I figure there are 2080 working hours in a normal year (2088 in a Leap year
> but I just use 2080)
>
> exclude 320 hours a year for "vacations, sick leave, holidays, and other
> days you are not working due to kid stuff and mental health days"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "training, education, testing new stuff in the
> home lab, etc"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work
> time"
> Now you have 1000 hours left in the year that you will actually "work".
>
> I normally worked as a W2 worker so that the contracting agency took care
> of paying my taxes, worker's comp, and other stuff that can impact you later
> (like unemployment insurance).   This is a VERY good thing!!
>
> Figure out how much you need to make in a year to pay your bills as your
> low end number.
>
> I usually started with a Gross Income number because I knew what my
> previous income was and I could figure a percentage of what I needed to pay
> bills. So...
> Gross income of 60,000/yr equals $60/hr W2
> Takehome income of 60,000/yr equals $85-90/hr W2 because the agency will
> take about 25-30% for taxes etc.
> The good thing about doing it this way is that if you work more than 1000
> hours in a calendar year, you are good to go.  You have figured out what you
> NEED to pay the bills, and anything else I think of as a Bonus.  In the Bay
> Area, I usually could get between 60-65/hour W2 as a PM, and about the same
> for an Exchange Geek.
>
> Always quote a higher rate for a shorter contract and you can go lower on
> a longer contract.  If they offer you a 12 month contract, and you dont
> have to worry about these two time blocks, you can ask for a slightly lower
> rate:
> exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
> exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work
> time"
> In this case, I might ask for 65 and drop to a 59 rate as a "goodwill
> gesture" to the agency.  They can sometimes give you an idea of what the
> client is willing to pay, and I usually know up front if it is a rate I
> could work with.
>
> If you are going 1099, all this changes...  I then usually tack on 40% onto
> the W2 rate, so if it was a 60/W2, it would be $100 on a 1099 contract.
> You are then responsible for paying all your taxes and you HAVE to make sure
> you are working with an accountant to make sure you are holding enough $
> aside during the year.  I didnt like 1099 because with all that $ coming in,
> I paid off a lot of bills and had to come up with the tax money the
> following April.  I will never do that again without an accountant telling
> me what to make payments on during the year.   This is why I now go only W2
> for contracts.
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> Don't know your rate structure, but when I was starting out I used
> guru.com quite a bit, and a little later, crossloop.com.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Resources for consultants
>
> Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit
> keen to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups
> where you can get more lead

RE: Resources for consultants

[Michael B. Smith]

Gosh, lady, you are CHEAP! :)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Kat Aylward Langan [mailto:messagel...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 3:34 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Resources for consultants

I have sent this before but will share again as it is relevant:

I have been asked a number of times recently by people moving from being an FTE 
to new Contracting gigs how I come up with a Contracting Rate.

I decided to write down my process.  This has been fine tuned over 20 year of 
contracting, and works pretty well.

Feel free to use or forward as you see fit.

I figure there are 2080 working hours in a normal year (2088 in a Leap year but 
I just use 2080)

exclude 320 hours a year for "vacations, sick leave, holidays, and other days 
you are not working due to kid stuff and mental health days"
exclude 320 hours a year for "training, education, testing new stuff in the 
home lab, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
Now you have 1000 hours left in the year that you will actually "work".

I normally worked as a W2 worker so that the contracting agency took care of 
paying my taxes, worker's comp, and other stuff that can impact you later (like 
unemployment insurance).   This is a VERY good thing!!

Figure out how much you need to make in a year to pay your bills as your low 
end number.

I usually started with a Gross Income number because I knew what my previous 
income was and I could figure a percentage of what I needed to pay bills. So...
Gross income of 60,000/yr equals $60/hr W2
Takehome income of 60,000/yr equals $85-90/hr W2 because the agency will take 
about 25-30% for taxes etc.
The good thing about doing it this way is that if you work more than 1000 hours 
in a calendar year, you are good to go.  You have figured out what you NEED to 
pay the bills, and anything else I think of as a Bonus.  In the Bay Area, I 
usually could get between 60-65/hour W2 as a PM, and about the same for an 
Exchange Geek.

Always quote a higher rate for a shorter contract and you can go lower on a 
longer contract.  If they offer you a 12 month contract, and you dont have to 
worry about these two time blocks, you can ask for a slightly lower rate:
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
In this case, I might ask for 65 and drop to a 59 rate as a "goodwill gesture" 
to the agency.  They can sometimes give you an idea of what the client is 
willing to pay, and I usually know up front if it is a rate I could work with.

If you are going 1099, all this changes...  I then usually tack on 40% onto the 
W2 rate, so if it was a 60/W2, it would be $100 on a 1099 contract.  You are 
then responsible for paying all your taxes and you HAVE to make sure you are 
working with an accountant to make sure you are holding enough $ aside during 
the year.  I didnt like 1099 because with all that $ coming in, I paid off a 
lot of bills and had to come up with the tax money the following April.  I will 
never do that again without an accountant telling me what to make payments on 
during the year.   This is why I now go only W2 for contracts.
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
Don't know your rate structure, but when I was starting out I used 
guru.com<http://guru.com> quite a bit, and a little later, 
crossloop.com<http://crossloop.com>.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com> 
[mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Resources for consultants

Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit keen 
to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups where you 
can get more leads or openings for bits of consultancy work? Obviously I am in 
contact with former workplaces and colleagues, using LinkedIn and similar 
resources, just wondering if there are any more useful sites or groups that 
might help me develop this side of things a bit? I know most of you out there 
are US-based but any tips or hints would all be appreciated. Just done an 
AppSense cert this morning so I am most interested in work around that and 
citrix, but I am pretty wide in the scope of stuff I will have a look at.

Cheers,


JR

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Re: Resources for consultants

[Kat Aylward Langan]

I have sent this before but will share again as it is relevant:

I have been asked a number of times recently by people moving from being an
FTE to new Contracting gigs how I come up with a Contracting Rate.

I decided to write down my process.  This has been fine tuned over 20 year
of contracting, and works pretty well.

Feel free to use or forward as you see fit.

I figure there are 2080 working hours in a normal year (2088 in a Leap year
but I just use 2080)

exclude 320 hours a year for "vacations, sick leave, holidays, and other
days you are not working due to kid stuff and mental health days"
exclude 320 hours a year for "training, education, testing new stuff in the
home lab, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
Now you have 1000 hours left in the year that you will actually "work".

I normally worked as a W2 worker so that the contracting agency took care of
paying my taxes, worker's comp, and other stuff that can impact you later
(like unemployment insurance).   This is a VERY good thing!!

Figure out how much you need to make in a year to pay your bills as your low
end number.

I usually started with a Gross Income number because I knew what my previous
income was and I could figure a percentage of what I needed to pay bills.
So...
Gross income of 60,000/yr equals $60/hr W2
Takehome income of 60,000/yr equals $85-90/hr W2 because the agency will
take about 25-30% for taxes etc.
The good thing about doing it this way is that if you work more than 1000
hours in a calendar year, you are good to go.  You have figured out what you
NEED to pay the bills, and anything else I think of as a Bonus.  In the Bay
Area, I usually could get between 60-65/hour W2 as a PM, and about the same
for an Exchange Geek.

Always quote a higher rate for a shorter contract and you can go lower on a
longer contract.  If they offer you a 12 month contract, and you dont have
to worry about these two time blocks, you can ask for a slightly lower rate:
exclude 320 hours a year for "job hunting, interview time, networking, etc"
exclude 320 hours a year for "just plain I can't find any kind of work time"
In this case, I might ask for 65 and drop to a 59 rate as a "goodwill
gesture" to the agency.  They can sometimes give you an idea of what the
client is willing to pay, and I usually know up front if it is a rate I
could work with.

If you are going 1099, all this changes...  I then usually tack on 40% onto
the W2 rate, so if it was a 60/W2, it would be $100 on a 1099 contract.  You
are then responsible for paying all your taxes and you HAVE to make sure you
are working with an accountant to make sure you are holding enough $ aside
during the year.  I didnt like 1099 because with all that $ coming in, I
paid off a lot of bills and had to come up with the tax money the following
April.  I will never do that again without an accountant telling me what to
make payments on during the year.   This is why I now go only W2 for
contracts.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Don't know your rate structure, but when I was starting out I used
> guru.com quite a bit, and a little later, crossloop.com.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: OT: Resources for consultants
>
> Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit
> keen to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups
> where you can get more leads or openings for bits of consultancy work?
> Obviously I am in contact with former workplaces and colleagues, using
> LinkedIn and similar resources, just wondering if there are any more useful
> sites or groups that might help me develop this side of things a bit? I know
> most of you out there are US-based but any tips or hints would all be
> appreciated. Just done an AppSense cert this morning so I am most interested
> in work around that and citrix, but I am pretty wide in the scope of stuff I
> will have a look at.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> JR
>
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> moment
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RE: Resources for consultants

[Michael B. Smith]

Don't know your rate structure, but when I was starting out I used guru.com 
quite a bit, and a little later, crossloop.com.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: kz2...@googlemail.com [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: OT: Resources for consultants

Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit keen 
to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups where you 
can get more leads or openings for bits of consultancy work? Obviously I am in 
contact with former workplaces and colleagues, using LinkedIn and similar 
resources, just wondering if there are any more useful sites or groups that 
might help me develop this side of things a bit? I know most of you out there 
are US-based but any tips or hints would all be appreciated. Just done an 
AppSense cert this morning so I am most interested in work around that and 
citrix, but I am pretty wide in the scope of stuff I will have a look at.

Cheers,


JR

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OT: Resources for consultants

[kz20fl]

Been getting a few bits of consultancy work recently, and am getting a bit keen 
to develop this a bit more. Are there any online resources or groups where you 
can get more leads or openings for bits of consultancy work? Obviously I am in 
contact with former workplaces and colleagues, using LinkedIn and similar 
resources, just wondering if there are any more useful sites or groups that 
might help me develop this side of things a bit? I know most of you out there 
are US-based but any tips or hints would all be appreciated. Just done an 
AppSense cert this morning so I am most interested in work around that and 
citrix, but I am pretty wide in the scope of stuff I will have a look at.

Cheers,


JR

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RE: Consultants

[Sam Cayze]

I prefer to give people their ad revenue for their hard work ;)



-Original Message-
From: Angus Scott-Fleming [mailto:angu...@geoapps.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 12:34 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

On 4 Oct 2010 at 9:09, Sam Cayze  wrote:

> Oops, wrong one!
> http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/

I much prefer the flashing-gif-ad-free version
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/consulting-consultant.gif

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GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona
1-520-290-5038
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Re: Consultants

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

On 4 Oct 2010 at 9:09, Sam Cayze  wrote:

> Oops, wrong one!
> http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/

I much prefer the flashing-gif-ad-free version 
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/consulting-consultant.gif

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RE: Consultants

[Maglinger, Paul]

Beautiful!  And so timely.

-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 9:27 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Sam Cayze 
wrote:
> http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/

  I prefer:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/58fc/zoom

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Re: Consultants

[Ben Scott]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Sam Cayze  wrote:
> http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/

  I prefer:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/58fc/zoom

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RE: Consultants

[Michael B. Smith]

Hey! I resemble that remark! :-)

Regards,

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Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:10 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Oops, wrong one!
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/



-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Related OT: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100310/



-Original Message-
From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

I am jumping in here late but..

If you cannot restore your data in less than a week, you might as well close. 
The current thinking in D/R is that 90% of businesses fail if data cannot be 
recovered within 7 days.

The first good thing you came up with is that you need help. Keep in mind most 
consultants will have a preferred solution.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily recoverable 
within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore data 
in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure data is 
always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what I 
*need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent consultant to 
help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it could do the 
job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring the data is 
always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure 
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to get 
folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the proper 
thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
"hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some detailed 
options.
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RE: Consultants

[Sam Cayze]

Oops, wrong one!
http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100210/



-Original Message-
From: Sam Cayze [mailto:sam.ca...@rollouts.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 11:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Related OT: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100310/



-Original Message-
From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

I am jumping in here late but..

If you cannot restore your data in less than a week, you might as well close. 
The current thinking in D/R is that 90% of businesses fail if data cannot be 
recovered within 7 days.

The first good thing you came up with is that you need help. Keep in mind most 
consultants will have a preferred solution.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily recoverable 
within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore data 
in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure data is 
always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what I 
*need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent consultant to 
help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it could do the 
job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring the data is 
always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure 
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to get 
folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the proper 
thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
"hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

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RE: Consultants

[Sam Cayze]

Related OT: http://www.toothpastefordinner.com/100310/



-Original Message-
From: Gasper, Rick [mailto:rickgas...@kings.edu] 
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 8:16 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

I am jumping in here late but..

If you cannot restore your data in less than a week, you might as well close. 
The current thinking in D/R is that 90% of businesses fail if data cannot be 
recovered within 7 days.

The first good thing you came up with is that you need help. Keep in mind most 
consultants will have a preferred solution.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily recoverable 
within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore data 
in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure data is 
always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what I 
*need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent consultant to 
help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it could do the 
job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring the data is 
always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure 
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to get 
folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the proper 
thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
"hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some detailed 
options.
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RE: Consultants

[Gasper, Rick]

I am jumping in here late but..

If you cannot restore your data in less than a week, you might as well close. 
The current thinking in D/R is that 90% of businesses fail if data cannot be 
recovered within 7 days.

The first good thing you came up with is that you need help. Keep in mind most 
consultants will have a preferred solution.

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily recoverable 
within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore data 
in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure data is 
always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what I 
*need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent consultant to 
help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it could do the 
job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring the data is 
always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure 
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to get 
folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the proper 
thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
"hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some detailed 
options.
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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Exactly, which is something I need to sit down with Management to find out.




-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

OK. To get low RTO means have a fast restoration procedure. Getting low RPO
means having frequent backups/snapshots/whatever. You will need to mix/match
your technologies to accomplish whatever combination of RTO/RPO you need.

It's not just a matter of "how quickly do you want it back up and running?"
it's also a matter of "how much data are you willing to recreate once we
have the system back up and running?"

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO and
RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft
stuff could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
(AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as
possible! :-)

How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with
Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they need
to get it all back.



-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.

How quickly does something have to be up?
How much data can you afford to lose?

E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if the
newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know pretty
much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation runs
off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a downloadable
template that I'll take a look at.



From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
reasonable.

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

These are our applications:

App1
App2
App3

These are our data sets:

Dataset1
Dataset2
Dataset3

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
for each application/dataset:

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for
(as an example):

1 hour
4 hours
1 day
2 days
3 days
1 week
2 weeks
1 month

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
environment).

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?"
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
budget for your solution.

THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.

But don't take my word for it...

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
te

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is
why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out
what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals
that I have already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I have "X" amount data
currently, and that probably doesn't change a whole lot. I know that among
the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of data in the current user profile, most
of which probably doesn't change a lot (other than PST files...*shudder*)
and I know that I'd like to migrate most of the "Y" data to the network, for
D/R purposes. I also want to look at bringing email in-house. According to
the manufacturer, 

Re: Consultants

[James Kerr]

My tech pointed out to me the other day that I do facepalms frequently, 
sometimes double facepalms. He is going to try to point it out when I do it, I 
never notice it. I guess because at that moment I'm probably flabbergasted at 
something a user has done or said.

James
  - Original Message - 
  From: William Robbins 
  To: NT System Admin Issues 
  Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2010 11:15 AM
  Subject: Re: Consultants


  *headdesk*

   - WJR



  On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:12, Jonathan Link  wrote:

*facepalm*


 
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John Aldrich 
 wrote:

  Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO 
and
  RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft
  stuff could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
  (AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as
  possible! :-)

  How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with
  Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they 
need
  to get it all back.




  -Original Message-
  From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: Consultants


  Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.

  How quickly does something have to be up?
  How much data can you afford to lose?

  E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if 
the
  newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.


  Cheers
  Ken


  -Original Message-
  From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
  Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: Consultants


  Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know 
pretty
  much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation 
runs
  off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a 
downloadable
  template that I'll take a look at.




  From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]

  Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: Consultants


  "I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
  consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

  My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
  getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
  reasonable.

  You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

  These are our applications:

  App1
  App2
  App3

  These are our data sets:

  Dataset1
  Dataset2
  Dataset3

  Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
  for each application/dataset:

  What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable 
for
  (as an example):

  1 hour
  4 hours
  1 day
  2 days
  3 days
  1 week
  2 weeks
  1 month

  You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
  network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
  business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
  environment).

  Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of 
lost
  revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is 
unavailable?"
  This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
  budget for your solution.

  THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.


  But don't take my word for it...

  
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
  te


  Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
  Technology Coordinator
  Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
  jra...@eaglemds.com
  www.eaglemds.com



  -Original Message-
  From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: Consultants


  Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some

  things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which 
is
  why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out

  what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the 
proposals
  that I have already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I have "X" amount data
  currently, and that probably doesn't change a whole lot. I know that among
  the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of data in the current user profile, 
mo

Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

Perfect!

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Pete Howard  wrote:

>
>
>  --
> *From:* Jonathan Link 
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
> *Sent:* Thu, September 30, 2010 11:12:42 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Consultants
>
> *facepalm*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO
>> and
>> RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft
>> stuff could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
>> (AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as
>> possible! :-)
>>
>> How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with
>> Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they
>> need
>> to get it all back.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>> Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.
>>
>> How quickly does something have to be up?
>> How much data can you afford to lose?
>>
>> E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if
>> the
>> newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ken
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>> Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know
>> pretty
>> much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation
>> runs
>> off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a
>> downloadable
>> template that I'll take a look at.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>>  "I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
>> consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"
>>
>> My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
>> getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
>> reasonable.
>>
>> You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:
>>
>> These are our applications:
>>
>> App1
>> App2
>> App3
>>
>> These are our data sets:
>>
>> Dataset1
>> Dataset2
>> Dataset3
>>
>> Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
>> for each application/dataset:
>>
>> What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable
>> for
>> (as an example):
>>
>> 1 hour
>> 4 hours
>> 1 day
>> 2 days
>> 3 days
>> 1 week
>> 2 weeks
>> 1 month
>>
>> You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
>> network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
>> business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
>> environment).
>>
>> Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of
>> lost
>> revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is
>> unavailable?"
>> This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
>> budget for your solution.
>>
>> THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.
>>
>> But don't take my word for it...
>>
>>
>> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
>> te
>>
>> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
>> Technology Coordinator
>> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
>> jra...@eaglemds.com
>> www.eaglemds.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>> Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
>> things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which
>> is
>> why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engi

RE: Consultants

[Ken Schaefer]

OK. To get low RTO means have a fast restoration procedure. Getting low RPO 
means having frequent backups/snapshots/whatever. You will need to mix/match 
your technologies to accomplish whatever combination of RTO/RPO you need.

It's not just a matter of "how quickly do you want it back up and running?" 
it's also a matter of "how much data are you willing to recreate once we have 
the system back up and running?"

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 10:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO and 
RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft stuff 
could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
(AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as 
possible! :-)

How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with 
Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they need to 
get it all back.



-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.

How quickly does something have to be up?
How much data can you afford to lose?

E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if the 
newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know pretty 
much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation runs 
off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a downloadable 
template that I'll take a look at.



From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a 
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on getting a 
consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are reasonable.

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

These are our applications:

App1
App2
App3

These are our data sets:

Dataset1
Dataset2
Dataset3

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads for 
each application/dataset:

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for 
(as an example):

1 hour
4 hours
1 day
2 days
3 days
1 week
2 weeks
1 month

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your 
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your business 
owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your environment).

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost 
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?"
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable 
budget for your solution.

THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.

But don't take my word for it...

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
te

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some 
things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is why 
I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my 
needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals that I have 
already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I have "X" amount data currently, and that 
probably doesn't change a whole lot. I know that among the Desktop PCs I have 
"Y" amount of data in the current user profile, most of which probably doesn't 
change a lot (other than PST files...*shudder*) and I know that I'd like to 
migrate most of the "Y" data to the network, for D/R purposes. I also want to 
look at bringing email in-house. According to the manufacturer, you should have 
"Z" amount of disk space for the mail store. That brings me up to in the 
neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 terabytes of disk space needed.

What's the best option to have that much disk space and e

Re: Consultants

[Pete Howard]

From: Jonathan Link 
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 11:12:42 AM
Subject: Re: Consultants


*facepalm*


 
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John Aldrich  
wrote:

Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO and
>RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft
>stuff could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
>(AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as
>possible! :-)
>
>How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with
>Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they need
>to get it all back.
>
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: Consultants
>
>
>Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.
>
>How quickly does something have to be up?
>How much data can you afford to lose?
>
>E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if the
>newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.
>
>Cheers
>Ken
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: Consultants
>
>
>Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know pretty
>much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation runs
>off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a downloadable
>template that I'll take a look at.
>
>
>
>
>From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
>
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: Consultants
>
>
>"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
>consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"
>
>My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
>getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
>reasonable.
>
>You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:
>
>These are our applications:
>
>App1
>App2
>App3
>
>These are our data sets:
>
>Dataset1
>Dataset2
>Dataset3
>
>Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
>for each application/dataset:
>
>What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for
>(as an example):
>
>1 hour
>4 hours
>1 day
>2 days
>3 days
>1 week
>2 weeks
>1 month
>
>You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
>network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
>business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
>environment).
>
>Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost
>revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?"
>This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
>budget for your solution.
>
>THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.
>
>
>But don't take my word for it...
>
>http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
>te
>
>
>Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
>Technology Coordinator
>Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
>jra...@eaglemds.com
>www.eaglemds.com
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: Consultants
>
>
>Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
>
>things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is
>why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out
>
>what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals
>that I have already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I have "X" amount data
>currently, and that probably doesn't change a whole lot. I know that among
>the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of data in the current user profile, most
>of which probably doesn't change a lot (other than PST files...*shudder*)
>and I know that I'd like to migrate most of the "Y" data to the network, for
>D/R purposes. I also want to look at bringing email in-house. According to
>the manufacturer, you should have "Z" amount of disk space for the mail
>store. That brings me up to in the n

Re: Consultants

[William Robbins]

*headdesk*

 - WJR


On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:12, Jonathan Link wrote:

> *facepalm*
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO
>> and
>> RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft
>> stuff could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
>> (AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as
>> possible! :-)
>>
>> How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with
>> Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they
>> need
>> to get it all back.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>> Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.
>>
>> How quickly does something have to be up?
>> How much data can you afford to lose?
>>
>> E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if
>> the
>> newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ken
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>> Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know
>> pretty
>> much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation
>> runs
>> off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a
>> downloadable
>> template that I'll take a look at.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>>  "I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
>> consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"
>>
>> My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
>> getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
>> reasonable.
>>
>> You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:
>>
>> These are our applications:
>>
>> App1
>> App2
>> App3
>>
>> These are our data sets:
>>
>> Dataset1
>> Dataset2
>> Dataset3
>>
>> Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
>> for each application/dataset:
>>
>> What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable
>> for
>> (as an example):
>>
>> 1 hour
>> 4 hours
>> 1 day
>> 2 days
>> 3 days
>> 1 week
>> 2 weeks
>> 1 month
>>
>> You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
>> network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
>> business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
>> environment).
>>
>> Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of
>> lost
>> revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is
>> unavailable?"
>> This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
>> budget for your solution.
>>
>> THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.
>>
>> But don't take my word for it...
>>
>>
>> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
>> te
>>
>> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
>> Technology Coordinator
>> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
>> jra...@eaglemds.com
>> www.eaglemds.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>> Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
>> things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which
>> is
>> why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out
>> what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the
>> proposals
>> that I have already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I ha

Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

*facepalm*



On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:48 AM, John Aldrich  wrote:

> Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO
> and
> RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft
> stuff could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
> (AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as
> possible! :-)
>
> How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with
> Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they need
> to get it all back.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Consultants
>
> Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.
>
> How quickly does something have to be up?
> How much data can you afford to lose?
>
> E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if the
> newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Consultants
>
> Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know pretty
> much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation
> runs
> off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a downloadable
> template that I'll take a look at.
>
>
>
> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Consultants
>
>  "I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
> consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"
>
> My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
> getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
> reasonable.
>
> You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:
>
> These are our applications:
>
> App1
> App2
> App3
>
> These are our data sets:
>
> Dataset1
> Dataset2
> Dataset3
>
> Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
> for each application/dataset:
>
> What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable
> for
> (as an example):
>
> 1 hour
> 4 hours
> 1 day
> 2 days
> 3 days
> 1 week
> 2 weeks
> 1 month
>
> You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
> network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
> business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
> environment).
>
> Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of
> lost
> revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is
> unavailable?"
> This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
> budget for your solution.
>
> THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.
>
> But don't take my word for it...
>
>
> http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
> te
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> jra...@eaglemds.com
> www.eaglemds.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Consultants
>
> Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
> things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is
> why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out
> what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals
> that I have already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I have "X" amount data
> currently, and that probably doesn't change a whole lot. I know that among
> the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of data in the current user profile, most
> of which probably doesn't change a lot (other than PST files...*shudder*)
> and I know that I'd like to migrate most of the "Y" data to the network,
> for
> D/R purposes. I also want to look at bringing email in-house. According to
> the manufacturer, you should have "Z" amount of disk space for the mail
> store. That brings me up to in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 terabytes of
> disk space needed.
>
> What's the best optio

RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Yeah. I'm aware of those two terms, and depending on the system, the RTO and
RPO are different. That being said, I think the majority of our Microsoft
stuff could probably survive being a couple days or so behind. Our iSeries
(AS/400) we need to be able to recover as much as possible as quickly as
possible! :-)

How to accomplish that good question, and I need to double-check with
Management about how much they're willing to risk and how quickly they need
to get it all back.



-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.

How quickly does something have to be up?
How much data can you afford to lose?

E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if the
newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know pretty
much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation runs
off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a downloadable
template that I'll take a look at.



From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
reasonable.

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

These are our applications:

App1
App2
App3

These are our data sets:

Dataset1
Dataset2
Dataset3

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
for each application/dataset:

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for
(as an example):

1 hour
4 hours
1 day
2 days
3 days
1 week
2 weeks
1 month

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
environment).

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?"
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
budget for your solution.

THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.

But don't take my word for it...

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
te

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is
why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out
what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals
that I have already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I have "X" amount data
currently, and that probably doesn't change a whole lot. I know that among
the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of data in the current user profile, most
of which probably doesn't change a lot (other than PST files...*shudder*)
and I know that I'd like to migrate most of the "Y" data to the network, for
D/R purposes. I also want to look at bringing email in-house. According to
the manufacturer, you should have "Z" amount of disk space for the mail
store. That brings me up to in the neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 terabytes of
disk space needed.

What's the best option to have that much disk space and ensure the domain is
available, along with the data, etc in case of a disaster... I haven't a
clue. As someone else pointed out, simply deploying a SAN is not going to
save my butt in case of a disaster. It might help prevent data loss, but if
the whole facility is destroyed, a SAN isn't going to save my bacon. :-)

I need a good D/R consultant to help me with all these questions. :-)



From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Generally, if you know what you want and you just need to bounce some ideas
around, I'd give you my guys time for free 

Re: Consultants

[Andrew S. Baker]

Agreed.   High availability is more a function of industry and function than
of size.


*ASB *


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:

> I have a similar requirement where core infrastructure (e.g.
> authentication, security stuff) needs to be up 4 or 5 9s, and in a disaster
> needed to be up again in minutes.  It was run active/active, or active/hot
> standby for a lot of that infrastructure. Five 9s is <30 seconds
> downtime/month.
>
> Costing a lot doesn't need to be a huge company. I worked for a large steel
> producer in Australia once. Having one of the furnaces offline would cost a
> similar amount of money.
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 5:02 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Consultants
>
> Dude. So, what they are like a $50 Billion company (if not more?)
>
> Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
> Technology Coordinator
> Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
> jra...@eaglemds.com
> www.eaglemds.com
> 
> From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:52 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: Consultants
>
> I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to the
> disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing them just
> over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000 getting their
> HA/FT/DR stuff setup and tested.  They spent almost $1,000,000 just in
> Citrix NetScalers to ensure their users would be automatically routed to the
> DR site when needed.
>
> I also have another customer that from January 2 thru April 30 must be up
> and running with access to all data with "2 to 4 hours".  After April 30,
> they have a 5 day timeframe to be back running with access to all data.
>  Their HA/FT/DR costs are a lot less than the first customer.
>
>
> Webster
>
> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> Subject: RE: Consultants
>
> "I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
> consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"
>
> My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
> getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
> reasonable.
>
> You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:
>
> These are our applications:
>
> App1
> App2
> App3
>
> These are our data sets:
>
> Dataset1
> Dataset2
> Dataset3
>
> Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
> for each application/dataset:
>
> What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable
> for (as an example):
>
> 1 hour
> 4 hours
> 1 day
> 2 days
> 3 days
> 1 week
> 2 weeks
> 1 month
>
> You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
> network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
> business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
> environment).
>
> Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of
> lost revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is
> unavailable?" This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a
> reasonable budget for your solution.
>
> THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.
>
>

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RE: Consultants

[Ken Schaefer]

I have a similar requirement where core infrastructure (e.g. authentication, 
security stuff) needs to be up 4 or 5 9s, and in a disaster needed to be up 
again in minutes.  It was run active/active, or active/hot standby for a lot of 
that infrastructure. Five 9s is <30 seconds downtime/month.

Costing a lot doesn't need to be a huge company. I worked for a large steel 
producer in Australia once. Having one of the furnaces offline would cost a 
similar amount of money.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 5:02 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Dude. So, what they are like a $50 Billion company (if not more?)

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com

From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to the 
disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing them just 
over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000 getting their HA/FT/DR 
stuff setup and tested.  They spent almost $1,000,000 just in Citrix NetScalers 
to ensure their users would be automatically routed to the DR site when needed.

I also have another customer that from January 2 thru April 30 must be up and 
running with access to all data with "2 to 4 hours".  After April 30, they have 
a 5 day timeframe to be back running with access to all data.  Their HA/FT/DR 
costs are a lot less than the first customer.


Webster

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Subject: RE: Consultants

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a 
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on getting a 
consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are reasonable.

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

These are our applications:

App1
App2
App3

These are our data sets:

Dataset1
Dataset2
Dataset3

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads for 
each application/dataset:

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for 
(as an example):

1 hour
4 hours
1 day
2 days
3 days
1 week
2 weeks
1 month

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your 
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your business 
owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your environment).

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost 
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?" 
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable 
budget for your solution.

THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.
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RE: Consultants

[Ken Schaefer]

Look up RTO and RPO - they are two distinct (though related) things.

How quickly does something have to be up?
How much data can you afford to lose?

E.g. there may be no point getting something back up again in 1 hour if the 
newest backup you have was from 1 week ago.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 30 September 2010 4:23 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know pretty 
much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation runs 
off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a downloadable 
template that I'll take a look at.



From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a 
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on getting a 
consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are reasonable.

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

These are our applications:

App1
App2
App3

These are our data sets:

Dataset1
Dataset2
Dataset3

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads for 
each application/dataset:

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for 
(as an example):

1 hour
4 hours
1 day
2 days
3 days
1 week
2 weeks
1 month

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your 
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your business 
owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your environment).

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost 
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?"
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable 
budget for your solution.

THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.

But don't take my word for it...

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
te

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some 
things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is why 
I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my 
needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals that I have 
already gathered. :-) I mean, I know I have "X" amount data currently, and that 
probably doesn't change a whole lot. I know that among the Desktop PCs I have 
"Y" amount of data in the current user profile, most of which probably doesn't 
change a lot (other than PST files...*shudder*) and I know that I'd like to 
migrate most of the "Y" data to the network, for D/R purposes. I also want to 
look at bringing email in-house. According to the manufacturer, you should have 
"Z" amount of disk space for the mail store. That brings me up to in the 
neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 terabytes of disk space needed.

What's the best option to have that much disk space and ensure the domain is 
available, along with the data, etc in case of a disaster... I haven't a clue. 
As someone else pointed out, simply deploying a SAN is not going to save my 
butt in case of a disaster. It might help prevent data loss, but if the whole 
facility is destroyed, a SAN isn't going to save my bacon. :-)

I need a good D/R consultant to help me with all these questions. :-)



From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Generally, if you know what you want and you just need to bounce some ideas 
around, I'd give you my guys time for free to tweak the end solution, with the 
belief that we'd be doing the implementation.  If you wanted them to actually 
start from a blank slate, do a requirements gathering, and design a solution 
for you, we'd want to charge you for that, as the design and requirements would 
be deliverables in their own right that you might or might not use to procure 
an implementation solution from us.

(And I'm hardware agnostic.  I only care about Services).

What you have below, "give them your needs", implies the first scenario above.  
Which ain't necessarily the case here...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Paul 

Re: Consultants

[Jon Harris]

My $0.02 is there are a number of very good consultants and service
companies on this list that may or may not have a bias toward one hardware
vendor or another but the good consultants and service companies whatever
bias they have will generally tell you up front their bias and then proceed
to do the best job they can and not let their bias cloud the facts of what
is needed.  They may try to influence you toward their bias (hence them
warning you of that bias) but they will still recommend only what you need.
Watching this list and seeing who answers questions and assists will help
you a lot to find them.

Jon

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Bill Humphries wrote:

> Yeah, we never sell hardware.  The closest I get to that is providing links
> to CDW for what we recommend.  That way the customer never thinks we are
> going with a product just because we get a cut.  The one exception would be
> VoIP handsets.  We did jump through the certification hoops to sell Polycom.
>   But that was because we could offer such a good deal to our existing
> clients that run asterisk.
> Bill
>
> Erik Goldoff wrote:
>
>> If you're going to entertain the manufacturer's 'consultant', then you
>> should be fair and open up the request to other vendor's equipment and
>> their
>> 'consultants' too.
>>
>> In my freelance consulting, I try very hard to never, never sell hardware
>> unless the client has an urgent need and no other avenue, that way I can
>> remain vendor neutral even if I do have my personal favorites.
>>
>>
>> Erik Goldoff
>> IT  Consultant
>> Systems, Networks, & Security
>> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] Sent: Wednesday,
>> September 29, 2010 1:50 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Consultants
>>
>> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN.
>> I
>> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
>> me
>> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
>> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
>> as
>> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are
>> probably
>> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>>
>> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
>> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
>> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
>> I
>> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
>> *just*
>> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Consultants

[Bill Humphries]

Yeah, we never sell hardware.  The closest I get to that is providing 
links to CDW for what we recommend.  That way the customer never thinks 
we are going with a product just because we get a cut.  The one 
exception would be VoIP handsets.  We did jump through the certification 
hoops to sell Polycom.   But that was because we could offer such a good 
deal to our existing clients that run asterisk. 


Bill

Erik Goldoff wrote:

If you're going to entertain the manufacturer's 'consultant', then you
should be fair and open up the request to other vendor's equipment and their
'consultants' too.

In my freelance consulting, I try very hard to never, never sell hardware
unless the client has an urgent need and no other avenue, that way I can
remain vendor neutral even if I do have my personal favorites.


Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 


'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:50 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Consultants

I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help me
figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump, as
it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.

What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.






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Re: Consultants

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
 wrote:
>> Where they are located, if something "bad" starts to happen, they don't have
>> 2 hours to failover to the DR site.  If their main data center is still
>> standing and receiving utilities in 31 seconds they will consider themselves
>> very lucky.
>
> I'm guessing somewhere in the Middle East, possibly Israel.

  Hell, that could just be CA near the San Andreas.  ;-)

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RE: Consultants

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

I'm guessing somewhere in the Middle East, possibly Israel.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Where they are located, if something "bad" starts to happen, they don't have
2 hours to failover to the DR site.  If their main data center is still
standing and receiving utilities in 31 seconds they will consider themselves
very lucky.


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Subject: Re: Consultants
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Webster  wrote:
> > I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to
> > the disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing
> > them just over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000
> > getting their HA/FT/DR stuff setup and tested.
>
>   At $100K/minute, 30 seconds is only $50K.  For $10M they could sustain
> nearly two hours of downtime at that rate.  ;-)


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RE: Consultants

[Webster]

Where they are located, if something "bad" starts to happen, they don't have
2 hours to failover to the DR site.  If their main data center is still
standing and receiving utilities in 31 seconds they will consider themselves
very lucky.


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Subject: Re: Consultants
> 
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Webster  wrote:
> > I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to
> > the disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing
> > them just over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000
> > getting their HA/FT/DR stuff setup and tested.
> 
>   At $100K/minute, 30 seconds is only $50K.  For $10M they could sustain
> nearly two hours of downtime at that rate.  ;-)


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RE: Consultants

[Webster]

Let's just say the last 2 to 3 years have kept them extremely busy and
profitable.


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> Subject: RE: Consultants
> 
> Dude. So, what they are like a $50 Billion company (if not more?)


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Re: Consultants

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Webster  wrote:
> I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to the
> disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing them just
> over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000 getting their
> HA/FT/DR stuff setup and tested.

  At $100K/minute, 30 seconds is only $50K.  For $10M they could
sustain nearly two hours of downtime at that rate.  ;-)

-- Ben

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RE: Consultants

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Dude. So, what they are like a $50 Billion company (if not more?)

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
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From: Webster [mailto:carlwebs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to the 
disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing them just 
over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000 getting their HA/FT/DR 
stuff setup and tested.  They spent almost $1,000,000 just in Citrix NetScalers 
to ensure their users would be automatically routed to the DR site when needed.

I also have another customer that from January 2 thru April 30 must be up and 
running with access to all data with "2 to 4 hours".  After April 30, they have 
a 5 day timeframe to be back running with access to all data.  Their HA/FT/DR 
costs are a lot less than the first customer.


Webster

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Subject: RE: Consultants

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a 
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on getting a 
consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are reasonable.

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

These are our applications:

App1
App2
App3

These are our data sets:

Dataset1
Dataset2
Dataset3

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads for 
each application/dataset:

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for 
(as an example):

1 hour
4 hours
1 day
2 days
3 days
1 week
2 weeks
1 month

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your 
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your business 
owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your environment).

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost 
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?" 
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable 
budget for your solution.

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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

The second customer sounds like a CPA firm...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Webster  wrote:

>  I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to
> the disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing them
> just over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000 getting their
> HA/FT/DR stuff setup and tested.  They spent almost $1,000,000 just in
> Citrix NetScalers to ensure their users would be automatically routed to the
> DR site when needed.
>
>
>
> I also have another customer that from January 2 thru April 30 must be up
> and running with access to all data with “2 to 4 hours”.  After April 30,
> they have a 5 day timeframe to be back running with access to all data.
> Their HA/FT/DR costs are a lot less than the first customer.
>
>
>
>
>
> Webster
>
>
>
> *From:* Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
> *Subject:* RE: Consultants
>
>
>
> "*I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
> consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are*"
>
>
>
> My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you’re dead set on
> getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
> reasonable.
>
>
>
> You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:
>
>
>
> These are our applications:
>
>
>
> App1
>
> App2
>
> App3
>
>
>
> These are our data sets:
>
>
>
> Dataset1
>
> Dataset2
>
> Dataset3
>
>
>
> Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
> for each application/dataset:
>
>
>
> What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable
> for (as an example):
>
>
>
> 1 hour
>
> 4 hours
>
> 1 day
>
> 2 days
>
> 3 days
>
> 1 week
>
> 2 weeks
>
> 1 month
>
>
>
> You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
> network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
> business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
> environment).
>
>
>
> Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of
> lost revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is
> unavailable?" This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a
> reasonable budget for your solution.
>
>
>
> THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.
>
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>
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RE: Consultants

[Webster]

I had 1 client that had to be back up and running within 30 seconds to the
disaster recovery center.  They had calculated downtime as costing them just
over $100,000 per minute!  They spent almost $10,000,000 getting their
HA/FT/DR stuff setup and tested.  They spent almost $1,000,000 just in
Citrix NetScalers to ensure their users would be automatically routed to the
DR site when needed.

 

I also have another customer that from January 2 thru April 30 must be up
and running with access to all data with "2 to 4 hours".  After April 30,
they have a 5 day timeframe to be back running with access to all data.
Their HA/FT/DR costs are a lot less than the first customer.

 

 

Webster

 

From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Subject: RE: Consultants

 

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

 

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on
getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
reasonable.

 

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

 

These are our applications:

 

App1

App2

App3

 

These are our data sets:

 

Dataset1

Dataset2

Dataset3

 

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
for each application/dataset:

 

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for
(as an example):

 

1 hour

4 hours

1 day

2 days

3 days

1 week

2 weeks

1 month

 

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
environment).

 

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?"
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
budget for your solution.

 

THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.


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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

There you go with that sensible talk...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> A lot to be said with hiring someone you - or someone you trust - knows.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: Consultants
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle <
> jra...@eaglemds.com> wrote:
> >> I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire
> >> a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs
> >> are
> >
> > Forget hiring a consultant for now ... You need to sit down with the
> > business owners and explain:
>
>  Consultants can help with that, too.
>
>  The biggest problem with consultants is that there are a lot of bad ones,
> and the only sure way to tell the good from the bad is to hire them, let
> them work for a while, and see if you end up regretting it.
>
> -- Ben
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RE: Consultants

[Michael B. Smith]

A lot to be said with hiring someone you - or someone you trust - knows.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle  
wrote:
>> I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire 
>> a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs 
>> are
>
> Forget hiring a consultant for now ... You need to sit down with the 
> business owners and explain:

  Consultants can help with that, too.

  The biggest problem with consultants is that there are a lot of bad ones, and 
the only sure way to tell the good from the bad is to hire them, let them work 
for a while, and see if you end up regretting it.

-- Ben

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RE: Consultants

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

Agreed.

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
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-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:43 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
 wrote:
>> I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
>> consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are
>
> Forget hiring a consultant for now ... You need to sit down with the
> business owners and explain:

  Consultants can help with that, too.

  The biggest problem with consultants is that there are a lot of bad
ones, and the only sure way to tell the good from the bad is to hire
them, let them work for a while, and see if you end up regretting it.

-- Ben

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Re: Consultants

[Ben Scott]

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
 wrote:
>> I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
>> consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are
>
> Forget hiring a consultant for now ... You need to sit down with the
> business owners and explain:

  Consultants can help with that, too.

  The biggest problem with consultants is that there are a lot of bad
ones, and the only sure way to tell the good from the bad is to hire
them, let them work for a while, and see if you end up regretting it.

-- Ben

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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Thanks, Jonathan. I think I have some handle on some of that. I know pretty
much everything depends on the AS/400 (iSeries) as our entire operation runs
off that. After that it's somewhat up in the air. I've found a downloadable
template that I'll take a look at.



From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"

My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you’re dead set on
getting a consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are
reasonable.

You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:

These are our applications:

App1
App2
App3

These are our data sets:

Dataset1
Dataset2
Dataset3

Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads
for each application/dataset:

What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for
(as an example):

1 hour
4 hours
1 day
2 days
3 days
1 week
2 weeks
1 month

You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your
business owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your
environment).

Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?"
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable
budget for your solution.

THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.

But don't take my word for it...

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+templa
te

Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com 


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is
why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out
what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals
that I have already gathered. :-)
I mean, I know I have "X" amount data currently, and that probably doesn't
change a whole lot. I know that among the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of
data in the current user profile, most of which probably doesn't change a
lot (other than PST files...*shudder*) and I know that I'd like to migrate
most of the "Y" data to the network, for D/R purposes. I also want to look
at bringing email in-house. According to the manufacturer, you should have
"Z" amount of disk space for the mail store. That brings me up to in the
neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 terabytes of disk space needed.

What's the best option to have that much disk space and ensure the domain is
available, along with the data, etc in case of a disaster... I haven't a
clue. As someone else pointed out, simply deploying a SAN is not going to
save my butt in case of a disaster. It might help prevent data loss, but if
the whole facility is destroyed, a SAN isn't going to save my bacon. :-)

I need a good D/R consultant to help me with all these questions. :-)



From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Generally, if you know what you want and you just need to bounce some ideas
around, I'd give you my guys time for free to tweak the end solution, with
the belief that we'd be doing the implementation.  If you wanted them to
actually start from a blank slate, do a requirements gathering, and design a
solution for you, we'd want to charge you for that, as the design and
requirements would be deliverables in their own right that you might or
might not use to procure an implementation solution from us.

(And I'm hardware agnostic.  I only care about Services).

What you have below, "give them your needs", implies the first scenario
above.  Which ain't necessarily the case here...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Paul Hutchings 
wrote:
Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
about "hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
to quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
off what they're familia

RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Exactly. I want to get things up and running on the Windows side ASAP, but
that's not *as* critical as our AS/400.




-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Sure, and in the back of your head be thinking "12 hours or less to be able
to outperform expectations and still come up short" :-).

I can't conceptualize a situation where I personally would be happy with "a
couple days" to recover data, although I do have one client where several
days down wouldn't be a huge deal. As an IT guy I just have the burning
desire to be able to recover data quickly.

I generally have more than one copy of critical data somewhere, usually a
copy onsite on some simple RAID1 NAS while the "official" backups are
offsite. Think of the NAS as "expendable" backup storage and you get the
idea...

Dave

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily
recoverable within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what
I *need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent
consultant to help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it
could do the job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring
the data is always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to
get folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the
proper thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R
plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
about "hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
to quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but
you take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some
detailed options.
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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

True. I am trying to make time with my CEO and CFO (my direct supervisor) to
see if I can get a handle on that for them. That being said, I *do* know
they want the AS/400 online *BEFORE* the problem occurred. Failing that, we
need to have it online ASAP, preferably within hours, not days. Our ERP /
CRM software runs on that platform and without that we have no idea what to
make or where to ship it, etc. :-(



From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:egold...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:13 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

But there’s the rub … a good Business Continuity Plan will identify and
prioritize *which* data needs to be restored ASAP versus what can come
online towards the end of the recovery window.   That’s usually a business
needs analysis result, not an IT decision.

Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 
'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...
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RE: Consultants

[Raper, Jonathan - Eagle]

"I'm not sure what my requirements are which is why I want to hire a 
consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out what my needs are"



My $0.02Forget hiring a consultant for now. If you're dead set on getting a 
consultant, feel free to email me off-list. My rates are reasonable.



You need to sit down with the business owners and explain:



These are our applications:



App1

App2

App3



These are our data sets:



Dataset1

Dataset2

Dataset3



Then you need to ask the questions of the business owners/department heads for 
each application/dataset:



What happens to the business if this specific app/dataset is unavailable for 
(as an example):



1 hour

4 hours

1 day

2 days

3 days

1 week

2 weeks

1 month



You also need to list weaknesses and vulnerabilities of your 
network/data/applications/etc, which may alter the perspective of your business 
owners (particularly for anything that may be unique to your environment).



Then ask, "What does it cost the business per hour/day/week in terms of lost 
revenue or productivity dollars if this application/dataset is unavailable?" 
This gives you a framework within which you can come up with a reasonable 
budget for your solution.



THEN, MAYBE it will be time for you to hire a consultant.



But don't take my word for it...



http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=information+systems+business+impact+analysis+template



Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE

Technology Coordinator

Eagle Physicians & Associates, PA

jra...@eaglemds.com

www.eaglemds.com





-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 3:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants



Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some

things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is

why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out

what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals

that I have already gathered. :-)

I mean, I know I have "X" amount data currently, and that probably doesn't

change a whole lot. I know that among the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of

data in the current user profile, most of which probably doesn't change a

lot (other than PST files...*shudder*) and I know that I'd like to migrate

most of the "Y" data to the network, for D/R purposes. I also want to look

at bringing email in-house. According to the manufacturer, you should have

"Z" amount of disk space for the mail store. That brings me up to in the

neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 terabytes of disk space needed.



What's the best option to have that much disk space and ensure the domain is

available, along with the data, etc in case of a disaster... I haven't a

clue. As someone else pointed out, simply deploying a SAN is not going to

save my butt in case of a disaster. It might help prevent data loss, but if

the whole facility is destroyed, a SAN isn't going to save my bacon. :-)



I need a good D/R consultant to help me with all these questions. :-)







From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com]

Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:58 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues

Subject: Re: Consultants



Generally, if you know what you want and you just need to bounce some ideas

around, I'd give you my guys time for free to tweak the end solution, with

the belief that we'd be doing the implementation.  If you wanted them to

actually start from a blank slate, do a requirements gathering, and design a

solution for you, we'd want to charge you for that, as the design and

requirements would be deliverables in their own right that you might or

might not use to procure an implementation solution from us.



(And I'm hardware agnostic.  I only care about Services).



What you have below, "give them your needs", implies the first scenario

above.  Which ain't necessarily the case here...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Paul Hutchings 

wrote:

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking

about "hiring" consultants?



Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them

to quote on a solution?



And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,

resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider

pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based

off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but

you take the point).



I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some

detailed options.

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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

I have three copies.  Backup server disk, RDX cartridge and offsite storage
provider.



On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:11 PM, James Kerr  wrote:

>  Sounds similar to how I do things.
>
> I generally have more than one copy of critical data somewhere, usually a
>> copy onsite on some simple RAID1 NAS while the "official" backups are
>> offsite. Think of the NAS as "expendable" backup storage and you get the
>> idea...
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:10 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: Consultants
>>
>> Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily
>> recoverable within a few days." :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: Consultants
>>
>> I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
>> data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to
>> ensure
>> data is always available...
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich<
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>
>> wrote:
>> Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know
>> what
>> I *need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent
>> consultant to help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think
>> it
>> could do the job, but that may not be the most effective method of
>> ensuring
>> the data is always available. :-)
>>
>> My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't
>> sure
>> that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying
>> to
>> get folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the
>> proper thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R
>> plan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: re: Consultants
>>
>> Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
>> about "hiring" consultants?
>>
>> Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask
>> them
>> to quote on a solution?
>>
>> And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
>> resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
>> pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
>> off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution,
>> but
>> you take the point).
>>
>> I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some
>> detailed options.
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Re: Consultants

[James Kerr]

 Sounds similar to how I do things.

I generally have more than one copy of critical data somewhere, usually a copy onsite on some 
simple RAID1 NAS while the "official" backups are offsite. Think of the NAS as 
"expendable" backup storage and you get the idea...

Dave

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily
recoverable within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what
I *need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent
consultant to help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it
could do the job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring
the data is always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to
get folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the
proper thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R
plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
about "hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
to quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but
you take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some
detailed options.
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RE: Consultants

[David Lum]

Sure, and in the back of your head be thinking "12 hours or less to be able to 
outperform expectations and still come up short" :-).

I can't conceptualize a situation where I personally would be happy with "a 
couple days" to recover data, although I do have one client where several days 
down wouldn't be a huge deal. As an IT guy I just have the burning desire to be 
able to recover data quickly.

I generally have more than one copy of critical data somewhere, usually a copy 
onsite on some simple RAID1 NAS while the "official" backups are offsite. Think 
of the NAS as "expendable" backup storage and you get the idea...

Dave

-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:10 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Consultants

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily
recoverable within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what
I *need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent
consultant to help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it
could do the job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring
the data is always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to
get folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the
proper thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R
plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
about "hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
to quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but
you take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some
detailed options.
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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

Very true.
I don't disagree with your statement at all.  My point is that his desires
aren't aligning with the business requirement, that he should be operating
from.  I think it's been well covered, determining requirements is where
this project is at.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Erik Goldoff  wrote:

>  But there’s the rub … a good Business Continuity Plan will identify and
> prioritize **which** data needs to be restored ASAP versus what can come
> online towards the end of the recovery window.   That’s usually a business
> needs analysis result, not an IT decision.
>
>
>
> *Erik Goldoff***
>
> *IT  Consultant*
>
> *Systems, Networks, & Security *
>
> '  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Consultants
>
>
>
> I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
> data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
> data is always available...
>
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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Exactly. I'm not sure what my requirements are. I have a few ideas... some
things that folks have asked in my numerous posts, I have no idea, which is
why I want to hire a consultant/consulting engineer to help me figure out
what my needs are and then, perhaps, help me evaluate some of the proposals
that I have already gathered. :-)
I mean, I know I have "X" amount data currently, and that probably doesn't
change a whole lot. I know that among the Desktop PCs I have "Y" amount of
data in the current user profile, most of which probably doesn't change a
lot (other than PST files...*shudder*) and I know that I'd like to migrate
most of the "Y" data to the network, for D/R purposes. I also want to look
at bringing email in-house. According to the manufacturer, you should have
"Z" amount of disk space for the mail store. That brings me up to in the
neighborhood of 1.5 to 2 terabytes of disk space needed.

What's the best option to have that much disk space and ensure the domain is
available, along with the data, etc in case of a disaster... I haven't a
clue. As someone else pointed out, simply deploying a SAN is not going to
save my butt in case of a disaster. It might help prevent data loss, but if
the whole facility is destroyed, a SAN isn't going to save my bacon. :-)

I need a good D/R consultant to help me with all these questions. :-)



From: Gary Slinger [mailto:gary.slin...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:58 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Generally, if you know what you want and you just need to bounce some ideas
around, I'd give you my guys time for free to tweak the end solution, with
the belief that we'd be doing the implementation.  If you wanted them to
actually start from a blank slate, do a requirements gathering, and design a
solution for you, we'd want to charge you for that, as the design and
requirements would be deliverables in their own right that you might or
might not use to procure an implementation solution from us.

(And I'm hardware agnostic.  I only care about Services).

What you have below, "give them your needs", implies the first scenario
above.  Which ain't necessarily the case here...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Paul Hutchings 
wrote:
Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
about "hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
to quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but
you take the point).

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RE: Consultants

[Erik Goldoff]

But there’s the rub … a good Business Continuity Plan will identify and
prioritize *which* data needs to be restored ASAP versus what can come
online towards the end of the recovery window.   That’s usually a business
needs analysis result, not an IT decision.

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

 

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...


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RE: Consultants

[Erik Goldoff]

 

 

Erik Goldoff

IT  Consultant

Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '

From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

 

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...


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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Ok... good point. How about "Ensure that the data is always easily
recoverable within a few days." :-)



From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don’t really know what
I *need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent
consultant to help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it
could do the job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring
the data is always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to
get folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the
proper thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R
plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
about "hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
to quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
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RE: Consultants

[Paul Hutchings]

I'm not saying "don't get good advice", but I am suggesting don't necessarily 
rush into paying someone to come in and put together a plan.

I'm also looking for a replacement SAN, my approach has been to look at 
options, which has come down to researching the hell out of them via the 
documentation, manufacturers websites, and various peer forums.

Once I had an idea who the main contenders were likely to be I called them 
(rather than stick a pin in a list of resellers) and invited them in to discuss 
what their solution offered.  Most have brought in a reseller that they thought 
suited our requirements (which in our case is more or less what I'd call "box 
shifting" as we don't need much value-add).

No reason you can't do the same as a starting point, it won't cost you anything 
because they want to sell you their product.

It won't take long before the pieces start to fall into place and you'll get an 
idea what's a good fit and what isn't.

Ditto all the other stuff like backup options - I know I've said on some of 
your other posts but buy a server, install ESXi, get a few VM's up and running 
and play with stuff, test it, try it.

If you don't have the time to do it then fair enough go hire someone, but 
personally this I enjoy getting my hands dirty and less money spent on paying 
someone to do it for you is more money to spend on good products.
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RE: Consultants

[Mathew Shember]

No that never happens.   *shudders*

Thanks,
Mathew

From: Doug Hampshire [mailto:dhampsh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Until it actually breaks and the CEO is screaming about it not being back up 
and running.
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore data 
in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure data is 
always available...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don't really know what I 
*need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent consultant to 
help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it could do the 
job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring the data is 
always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure 
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to get 
folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the proper 
thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings 
[mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk<mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk>]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
"hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some detailed 
options.
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Re: Consultants

[Gary Slinger]

Generally, if you know what you want and you just need to bounce some ideas
around, I'd give you my guys time for free to tweak the end solution, with
the belief that we'd be doing the implementation.  If you wanted them to
actually start from a blank slate, do a requirements gathering, and design a
solution for you, we'd want to charge you for that, as the design and
requirements would be deliverables in their own right that you might or
might not use to procure an implementation solution from us.

(And I'm hardware agnostic.  I only care about Services).

What you have below, "give them your needs", implies the first scenario
above.  Which ain't necessarily the case here...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Paul Hutchings
wrote:

> Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
> about "hiring" consultants?
>
> Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
> to quote on a solution?
>
> And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
> resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
> pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
> off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but
> you take the point).
>
> I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some
> detailed options.
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Re: Consultants

[Doug Hampshire]

Until it actually breaks and the CEO is screaming about it not being back up
and running.

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
> data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
> data is always available...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
>> Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don’t really know
>> what I *need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent
>> consultant to help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it
>> could do the job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring
>> the data is always available. :-)
>>
>> My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't
>> sure that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here
>> trying to get folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've
>> decided the proper thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up
>> with a D/R plan.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>   Subject: re: Consultants
>>
>> Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
>> about "hiring" consultants?
>>
>> Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask
>> them to quote on a solution?
>>
>> And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
>> resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
>> pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
>> off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but
>> you take the point).
>>
>> I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some
>> detailed options.
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

I'll remind you that you said the CEO said you have a few days to restore
data in the event of a disaster...  You don't have any requirement to ensure
data is always available...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:50 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don’t really know what
> I *need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent
> consultant to help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it
> could do the job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring
> the data is always available. :-)
>
> My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure
> that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to
> get folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the
> proper thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R
> plan.
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
>  Subject: re: Consultants
>
> Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking
> about "hiring" consultants?
>
> Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them
> to quote on a solution?
>
> And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda,
> resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider
> pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based
> off what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but
> you take the point).
>
> I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some
> detailed options.
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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Because, as has been drilled into me on this list, I don’t really know what I 
*need* from a D/R perspective. I'm looking to get an independent consultant to 
help me figure that out. I know what I'd *like* and I think it could do the 
job, but that may not be the most effective method of ensuring the data is 
always available. :-)

My original thinking was get 2 SANs and mirror them, but then I wasn't sure 
that the bandwidth would be there, so after getting pummeled here trying to get 
folks on this list to do the heavy lifting for me, I've decided the proper 
thing to do is hire an independent 3rd party to come up with a D/R plan.




-Original Message-
From: Paul Hutchings [mailto:paul.hutchi...@mira.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:44 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: re: Consultants

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
"hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some detailed 
options.
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re: Consultants

[Paul Hutchings]

Not sure if it differs in the US but I'm a bit unsure why you're talking about 
"hiring" consultants?

Why not just invite in a bunch of VAR's, go through your needs and ask them to 
quote on a solution?

And to echo others thoughts, manufacturers will obviously have an agenda, 
resellers will have an agenda (to sell you something just from a bit wider 
pool), and even the best meaning consultant will have a certain bias based off 
what they're familiar with (not to say it won't be a good solution, but you 
take the point).

I wouldn't expect you to have to be paying anyone a bean to get some detailed 
options.
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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Thanks for the serious reply. That was my feeling as well, but I thought I
better check. :-)




-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:p...@optimumdata.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:23 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Consultants are useful, provided you can find and *independent* consultant.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find one. This
message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

On 9/29/2010 12:49 PM, John Aldrich wrote:
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
*just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.

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RE: Consultants

[Steven M. Caesare]

Amit, you are spot on as always!

 

-sc

 

From: Amit Hanji [mailto:amit.ha...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:11 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

 

You should never be having the vendor being also the consultant. A most
best approach is for getting an independant consulant like my firm,
Hanji Enterprises.

 

UR Friend,

Amit

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich
 wrote:

I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a
SAN. I
advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to
help me
figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go
jump, as
it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are
probably
going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.

What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants?
Do
you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members
(assuming I
can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
*just*
D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.






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Re: Consultants

[William Robbins]

Easy.  No offense intended.  Merely a vague attempt at humor.

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:28, Brian Desmond  wrote:

> *Not really…*
>
> * *
>
> *I work for a small consulting firm. We have no allegiance to any vendor
> and when we do requirements gathering and vendor selection projects, so the
> solution we pick is based on the customer’s requirements not what we like.
> We don’t implement any of the solutions we help gather requirements for or
> select so we have no horse in that race. *
>
> * *
>
> *If you have a consultant in picking a product from a line of vendors and
> they implement one of those vendors’ solutions then obviously it’s in their
> best interest to pick something they can implement so they can upsell that.
> *
>
> * *
>
> *Thanks,*
>
> *Brian Desmond*
>
> *br...@briandesmond.com*
>
> * *
>
> *c   – 312.731.3132*
>
> * *
>
> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:26 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Consultants
>
>
>
> How does one "independant" a consultant exactly?  They've already sold
> their soul.
>
> Oh and...
>
> *BOOM*
>
>  - WJR
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:23, Phil Brutsche  wrote:
>
> Consultants are useful, provided you can find and *independent* consultant.
>
> Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find one. This
> message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
>
>
> On 9/29/2010 12:49 PM, John Aldrich wrote:
> > What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> > you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> > someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members
> (assuming I
> > can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
> *just*
> > D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com
>
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RE: Consultants

[Erik Goldoff]

If you're going to entertain the manufacturer's 'consultant', then you
should be fair and open up the request to other vendor's equipment and their
'consultants' too.

In my freelance consulting, I try very hard to never, never sell hardware
unless the client has an urgent need and no other avenue, that way I can
remain vendor neutral even if I do have my personal favorites.


Erik Goldoff
IT  Consultant
Systems, Networks, & Security 

'  Security is an ongoing process, not a one time event ! '


-Original Message-
From: John Aldrich [mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:50 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Consultants

I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help me
figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump, as
it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.

What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.






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RE: Consultants

[Brian Desmond]

Not really...

I work for a small consulting firm. We have no allegiance to any vendor and 
when we do requirements gathering and vendor selection projects, so the 
solution we pick is based on the customer's requirements not what we like. We 
don't implement any of the solutions we help gather requirements for or select 
so we have no horse in that race.

If you have a consultant in picking a product from a line of vendors and they 
implement one of those vendors' solutions then obviously it's in their best 
interest to pick something they can implement so they can upsell that.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

c   - 312.731.3132

From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

How does one "independant" a consultant exactly?  They've already sold their 
soul.

Oh and...

*BOOM*

 - WJR

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:23, Phil Brutsche 
mailto:p...@optimumdata.com>> wrote:
Consultants are useful, provided you can find and *independent* consultant.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find one. This
message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

On 9/29/2010 12:49 PM, John Aldrich wrote:
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
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Re: Consultants

[William Robbins]

How does one "independant" a consultant exactly?  They've already sold their
soul.

Oh and...

*BOOM*

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:23, Phil Brutsche  wrote:

> Consultants are useful, provided you can find and *independent* consultant.
>
> Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find one. This
> message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.
>
> On 9/29/2010 12:49 PM, John Aldrich wrote:
> > What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> > you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> > someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members
> (assuming I
> > can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
> *just*
> > D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>
> --
>
> Phil Brutsche
> p...@optimumdata.com
>
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Re: Consultants

[Phil Brutsche]

Consultants are useful, provided you can find and *independent* consultant.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to find one. This
message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.

On 9/29/2010 12:49 PM, John Aldrich wrote:
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.

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Re: Consultants

[William Robbins]

Hmm...good point.  I'd better re-read our agreement!

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:22, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Are you sure it doesn't read not contractually obligated to?
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:19 PM, William Robbins wrote:
>
>> I'm tempted to make a disparaging remark...but I see I'm contractually
>> obligated not to.  :P
>>
>>  - WJR
>>
>>
>>  On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:16, Gary Slinger wrote:
>>
>>>  As are IBM and VMware. That particular pairing is one of the main
>>> "things" my guys deploy every week.
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Wilhelm, Scott" 
>>> *Date: *Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:12:10 -0400
>>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>> *Subject: *RE: Consultants
>>>
>>>   If you have have a VMware environment, EMC might be a good choice too
>>> since they are now partners.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Scott Wilhelm
>>>
>>> Computer Technician
>>>
>>> Massena Central School District
>>>
>>> St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
>>>
>>> (315) 764-3700 ext. 3046
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *“The harder I work, the luckier I get. “*  -Samuel Goldwyn
>>>
>>> * *
>>>
>>> *‎**"Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team
>>> work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work." -*Vince
>>> Lombardi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:09 PM
>>>
>>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>> *Subject:* Re: Consultants
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Or Dell/EMC for that matter.  They have lots of consultant expertise, as
>>> well as the hardware.
>>>
>>>  - WJR
>>>
>>>   On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:06, Jonathan Link 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dude...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich <
>>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN.
>>> I
>>>advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to
>>> help me
>>> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
>>> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
>>> as
>>> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are
>>> probably
>>> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>>>
>>> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
>>> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
>>> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members
>>> (assuming I
>>> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
>>> *just*
>>> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

Are you sure it doesn't read not contractually obligated to?

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:19 PM, William Robbins wrote:

> I'm tempted to make a disparaging remark...but I see I'm contractually
> obligated not to.  :P
>
>  - WJR
>
>
>  On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:16, Gary Slinger wrote:
>
>>  As are IBM and VMware. That particular pairing is one of the main
>> "things" my guys deploy every week.
>> --
>> *From: *"Wilhelm, Scott" 
>> *Date: *Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:12:10 -0400
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>> *Subject: *RE: Consultants
>>
>>   If you have have a VMware environment, EMC might be a good choice too
>> since they are now partners.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Scott Wilhelm
>>
>> Computer Technician
>>
>> Massena Central School District
>>
>> St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
>>
>> (315) 764-3700 ext. 3046
>>
>>
>>
>> *“The harder I work, the luckier I get. “*  -Samuel Goldwyn
>>
>> * *
>>
>> *‎**"Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team
>> work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work." -*Vince
>> Lombardi
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:09 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: Consultants
>>
>>
>>
>> Or Dell/EMC for that matter.  They have lots of consultant expertise, as
>> well as the hardware.
>>
>>  - WJR
>>
>>   On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:06, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dude...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>
>> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN.
>> I
>>advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to
>> help me
>> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
>> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
>> as
>> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are
>> probably
>> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>>
>> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
>> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
>> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
>> I
>> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
>> *just*
>> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
>> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
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Re: Consultants

[William Robbins]

I'm tempted to make a disparaging remark...but I see I'm contractually
obligated not to.  :P

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:16, Gary Slinger  wrote:

> As are IBM and VMware. That particular pairing is one of the main "things"
> my guys deploy every week.
> --
> *From: * "Wilhelm, Scott" 
> *Date: *Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:12:10 -0400
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: * "NT System Admin Issues" <
> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
> *Subject: *RE: Consultants
>
> If you have have a VMware environment, EMC might be a good choice too since
> they are now partners.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Scott Wilhelm
>
> Computer Technician
>
> Massena Central School District
>
> St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
>
> (315) 764-3700 ext. 3046
>
>
>
> *“The harder I work, the luckier I get. “*  -Samuel Goldwyn
>
> * *
>
> *‎**"Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team
> work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work." -*Vince
> Lombardi
>
>
>
> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:09 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Consultants
>
>
>
> Or Dell/EMC for that matter.  They have lots of consultant expertise, as
> well as the hardware.
>
>  - WJR
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:06, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
>
> Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
>
> Dude...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
> me
> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
> as
> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
> I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
> *just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
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Re: Consultants

[Gary Slinger]

As are IBM and VMware.  That particular pairing is one of the main "things" my 
guys deploy every week. 

-Original Message-
From: "Wilhelm, Scott" 
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 14:12:10 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: Consultants

If you have have a VMware environment, EMC might be a good choice too since 
they are now partners.

Regards,

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company work, a society work, a civilization work." -Vince Lombardi

From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Or Dell/EMC for that matter.  They have lots of consultant expertise, as well 
as the hardware.

 - WJR

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:06, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dude...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help me
figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump, as
it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.

What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.






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RE: Consultants

[John Aldrich]

Well, after getting some sense beat into my head on this list over my
question of which SAN I should buy, instead of what my D/R strategy is, I'm
dropping back and trying to evaluate what my NEEDS are rather than what's
"cool" or "nifty" or "sexy." However, as part of my poorly executed design
strategy (which I am putting on the back burner until I get some help
figuring out what my needs are) I did look at Hitachi. 

After I get a D/R consultant to help me figure out what my needs are, I
plan, if a SAN is part of the solution suggested by the consultant, to go
back and re-investigate all the options again, including Hitachi, EMC,
Equallogic, LeftHand, etc. :-)


From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link 
wrote:
Dude... 

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich 
wrote:
I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help me
figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump, as
it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.

What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.






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Re: Consultants

[Doug Hampshire]

Where Partners = EMC owns VMWare.

2010/9/29 Wilhelm, Scott 

> If you have have a VMware environment, EMC might be a good choice too since
> they are now partners.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Scott Wilhelm
>
> Computer Technician
>
> Massena Central School District
>
> St. Lawrence-Lewis BOCES
>
> (315) 764-3700 ext. 3046
>
>
>
> *“The harder I work, the luckier I get. “*  -Samuel Goldwyn
>
> * *
>
> *‎**"Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team
> work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work." -*Vince
> Lombardi
>
>
>
> *From:* William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:09 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Consultants
>
>
>
> Or Dell/EMC for that matter.  They have lots of consultant expertise, as
> well as the hardware.
>
>  - WJR
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:06, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
>
> Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
>
> Dude...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
> me
> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
> as
> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
> I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
> *just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: Consultants

[Wilhelm, Scott]

If you have have a VMware environment, EMC might be a good choice too since 
they are now partners.

Regards,

Scott

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From: William Robbins [mailto:dangerw...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Consultants

Or Dell/EMC for that matter.  They have lots of consultant expertise, as well 
as the hardware.

 - WJR

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:06, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link 
mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dude...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich 
mailto:jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com>> wrote:
I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help me
figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump, as
it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.

What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.






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Re: Consultants

[Amit Hanji]

You should never be having the vendor being also the consultant. A most best
approach is for getting an independant consulant like my firm, Hanji
Enterprises.

UR Friend,
Amit

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
> me
> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
> as
> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
> I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
> *just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Consultants

[William Robbins]

Or Dell/EMC for that matter.  They have lots of consultant expertise, as
well as the hardware.

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 13:06, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:
>
>> Dude...
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich <
>> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN.
>>> I
>>> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
>>> me
>>> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
>>> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
>>> as
>>> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are
>>> probably
>>> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>>>
>>> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
>>> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
>>> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members
>>> (assuming I
>>> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
>>> *just*
>>> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

Answering your question. have you considered Hitachi?

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Dude...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
>> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN.
>> I
>> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
>> me
>> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
>> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
>> as
>> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are
>> probably
>> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>>
>> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
>> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
>> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
>> I
>> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
>> *just*
>> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>

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Re: Consultants

[William Robbins]

+11

 - WJR


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:52, Jonathan Link wrote:

> Dude...
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich <
> jaldr...@blueridgecarpet.com> wrote:
>
>> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN.
>> I
>> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
>> me
>> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
>> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
>> as
>> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are
>> probably
>> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>>
>> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
>> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
>> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
>> I
>> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
>> *just*
>> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Consultants

[Roger Wright]

Every sales guy is a consultant - albeit, a biased one.


Roger Wright
___

When it's GOOD there ain't nothin' like it, and when it's BAD there ain't
nothin' like it!




On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
> me
> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
> as
> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
> I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
> *just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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Re: Consultants

[Jonathan Link]

Dude...

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:49 PM, John Aldrich
wrote:

> I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
> advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help
> me
> figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
> they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump,
> as
> it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
> going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.
>
> What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
> you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
> someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming
> I
> can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be
> *just*
> D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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Consultants

[John Aldrich]

I got a call from an IBM reseller in the region wanting to sell me a SAN. I
advised that I had decided to step back and look for a consultant to help me
figure out what my needs are. At that point the sales droid advised that
they were also consultants. My first instinct is to tell them to go jump, as
it seems like it would be a huge conflict of interest and they are probably
going to tell me I need to buy a SAN, specifically an IBM SAN.

What is the opinion of you folks on the list about hiring consultants? Do
you worry about conflict of interest such as this or do you just hire
someone? I'm tempted to just hire one of the fellow list members (assuming I
can get authorization) who offered their services, as they seem to be *just*
D/R consultants and are not going to have an axe to grind.






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Re: OT: Non Sequitur for consultants

[Vicky Spelshaus]

[image: Consulting] 
*Consulting
*
[image: pad]
If you're not a part of the solution,there's good money to be made in
prolonging the problem.

On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Angus Scott-Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Don't let your clients see this one ...
>
> Non Sequitur
> http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2008/03/31/
>
> Eh?
>
>
>
>
>
> [*] It's almost 5AM Friday in Australia, so I figured it is time to post
> OT
> Friday stuff ;-)
>
>
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OT: Non Sequitur for consultants

[Angus Scott-Fleming]

Don't let your clients see this one ...

Non Sequitur
http://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2008/03/31/

Eh?





[*] It's almost 5AM Friday in Australia, so I figured it is time to post OT 
Friday stuff ;-)


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RE: Business Continuity / Disaster Recovery Consultants

[Mike French]

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Try these too:
http://acp-international.com/

http://sfba.acp-international.com/




From: Erik Goldoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:26 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Business Continuity / Disaster Recovery Consultants


I don't know CA, but check the following websites, may have links that can help 
you out :
 
www.scpa.us   
http://www.scpa.us/bcplinks.html
 
www.drii.org   
http://www.drii.org/DRII/Careers/LocateProfessionals.aspx
 
 
 
 


From: Phil Guevara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Business Continuity / Disaster Recovery Consultants

Anyone have any BC/DR consultants to recommend in california?
 
Thanks,
 
Phil







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RE: Business Continuity / Disaster Recovery Consultants

[Erik Goldoff]

I don't know CA, but check the following websites, may have links that can
help you out :
 
HYPERLINK "http://www.scpa.us"www.scpa.us   
HYPERLINK "http://www.scpa.us/bcplinks.html"http://www.scpa.us/bcplinks.html
 
HYPERLINK "http://www.drii.org"www.drii.org   
HYPERLINK
"http://www.drii.org/DRII/Careers/LocateProfessionals.aspx"http://www.drii.o
rg/DRII/Careers/LocateProfessionals.aspx
 
 
 
 

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From: Phil Guevara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Business Continuity / Disaster Recovery Consultants



Anyone have any BC/DR consultants to recommend in california?
 
Thanks,
 
Phil















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Business Continuity / Disaster Recovery Consultants

[Phil Guevara]

Anyone have any BC/DR consultants to recommend in california?
 
Thanks,
 
Phil

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