subject:"Re\: How much processing power do you need\? \(WAS\: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...\)"

OR how powerful new hardware is...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Mark Boeck netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:


 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.





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Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Jonathan Link

Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:


 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.







 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:

 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me
 wonder: Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast
 HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron)
 handle most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be
 getting away with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?

 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better
 bet. Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.


 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District


 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


  I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good
 for
  some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable
 too.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
   You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
  
   Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
  
  
   --Matt Ross
   Ephrata School District
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Steve Ens
   [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

   To: NT System Admin Issues
   [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
   Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
   10:40:10 -0700
   Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
  
  
I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
   wouldn't
want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
   
 I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 The Acer Revo series is very nice...great for the living room.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 It's a nice form factor.  Not aware of anything that is quite
 that
   small
 in the PC world off the top of my head.


 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org
   wrote:

 I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in our
 district,
  and
 they run great.

 Out of curiositywhy?

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:06 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

 VMware Fusion. I used to run Virtualbox, but VMWare is a much
   slicker
 product. Parallels is an excellent product, though.

 But if you want to run windows (and only windows) on it, just
   install
 it directly. I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in
 our
 district, and they run great.


 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District


 - Original Message -
 From: Harry Singh
 [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com]

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 08:42:40 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


  Matthew - Are you running Parralells (or whatever the Apple
 VM
   tech
is
  called) or VMware to run the Windows 7 VM simultaneously?
 Single
   NIC,
  so i assume it's running in a Bridged NAT mode?
 
  The footprint and hardware makes it something i wouldn't mind
   playing
  around with at home.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
Are you running mac os Server or client? any major issues
  with
running Server OS as a desktop?
  
   We run 10.6 Server on an XServe in the main server room.
 It's
   doing
   our Open Directory master stuff.
  
   I'm running 10.6 Client on my desktop.
  
  
   --Matt Ross
   Ephrata School District
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: justino garcia

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Andrew S. Baker

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:


 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on
 a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.







 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org
  wrote:

 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me
 wonder: Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast
 HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron)
 handle most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be
 getting away with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?

 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better
 bet. Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.


 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District


 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


  I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.
  Good for
  some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable
 too.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
   You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
  
   Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
  
  
   --Matt Ross
   Ephrata School District
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Steve Ens
   [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

   To: NT System Admin Issues
   [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
   Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
   10:40:10 -0700
   Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
  
  
I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
   wouldn't
want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
   
 I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 The Acer Revo series is very nice...great for the living room.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 It's a nice form factor.  Not aware of anything that is quite
 that
   small
 in the PC world off the top of my head.


 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org
 
   wrote:

 I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in our
 district,
  and
 they run great.

 Out of curiositywhy?

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:06 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

 VMware Fusion. I used to run Virtualbox, but VMWare is a much
   slicker
 product. Parallels is an excellent product, though.

 But if you want to run windows (and only windows) on it, just
   install
 it directly. I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people
 in our
 district, and they run great.


 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District


 - Original Message -
 From: Harry Singh
 [mailto:hbo...@gmail.com]

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 08:42:40 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


  Matthew - Are you running Parralells (or whatever the Apple
 VM
   tech
is
  called) or VMware to run the Windows 7 VM simultaneously?
 Single
   NIC,
  so i assume it's running in a Bridged NAT mode?
 
  The footprint and hardware makes it something i wouldn't
 mind
   playing
  around with at home.
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
Are you running mac os Server or client? any major
 issues
  with
running

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup 
running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
clustering.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to happen 
to everyone else (or so the story goes)
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...



On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least 
you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a 
single HOST server.
That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.







On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is 
actually needed for most services?

I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are doing 
their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active Directory 
duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder: Has anybody 
tried Windows Server on an Atom?

Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD or 
SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle most 
tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away with less 
expensive hardware to do the same duties?

I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet. Or 
if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Steve Ens
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
11:26:11 -0700
Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


 I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good for
 some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable too.


 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:

  You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
 
  Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
 
 
  --Matt Ross
  Ephrata School District
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Steve Ens
  [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
  10:40:10 -0700
  Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
 
 
   I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
  wouldn't
   want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.
  
   On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
   jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
  
I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens 
stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
The Acer Revo series is very nice...great for the living room.
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Link
   jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
   
It's a nice form factor.  Not aware of anything that is quite that
  small
in the PC world off the top of my head.
   
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, David Lum 
david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
  wrote:
   
I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in our district,
 and
they run great.
   
Out of curiositywhy?
   
-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross 
[mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
   
VMware Fusion. I used to run Virtualbox, but VMWare is a much
  slicker
product. Parallels is an excellent product, though.
   
But if you want to run windows (and only windows) on it, just
  install
it directly. I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in our
district, and they run great.
   
   
--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely 
obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with it 
at all?

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup 
running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
clustering.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to happen 
to everyone else (or so the story goes)
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least 
you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a 
single HOST server.
That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is 
actually needed for most services?

I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are doing 
their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active Directory 
duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder: Has anybody 
tried Windows Server on an Atom?

Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD or 
SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle most 
tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away with less 
expensive hardware to do the same duties?

I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet. Or 
if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District
- Original Message -
From: Steve Ens
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
11:26:11 -0700
Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

 I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good for
 some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable too.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:

  You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.

  Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?

  --Matt Ross
  Ephrata School District

  - Original Message -
  From: Steve Ens
  [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
  10:40:10 -0700
  Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

   I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
  wouldn't
   want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.

   On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
   jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens 
stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com
  wrote:

The Acer Revo series is very nice...great for the living room.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Link
   jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

It's a nice form factor.  Not aware of anything that is quite that
  small
in the PC world off the top of my head.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, David Lum 
david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
  wrote:

I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in our district,
 and
they run great.

Out of curiositywhy?

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross 
[mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:06 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: So, my Mac

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Andrew S. Baker

I'm looking forward to that (Win8 clustering) as well...

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

  I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 ** **

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 ** **

 Regards,

 ** **

 Michael B. Smith

 Consultant and Exchange MVP

 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 ** **

 *From:* Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

  ** **

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
 happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
 

 *ASB*

 *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*

 *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…*



 

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link jonathan.l...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.*
 ***

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 

   

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.

 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

  

  

  

  



  

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross mr...@ephrataschools.org
 wrote:

   So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me
 wonder: Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD
 or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle
 most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away
 with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?

 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better
 bet. Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.

 

 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District

 

 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]


 To: NT System Admin Issues

 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


  I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good
 for
  some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable
 too.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
   You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
  
   Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
  
  
   --Matt Ross
   Ephrata School District
  
  

   - Original Message -
   From: Steve Ens
   [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]


   To: NT System Admin Issues

   [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
   Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
   10:40:10 -0700
   Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
  
  
I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
   wouldn't
want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
   
 I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 The Acer Revo series is very nice...great for the living room.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

 It's a nice form factor.  Not aware of anything that is quite
 that
   small
 in the PC world off the top of my head.


 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, David Lum david@nwea.org
   wrote:

 I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in our district,
  and
 they run great.

 Out of curiositywhy?


 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]

 Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 9:06 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues

 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

 VMware Fusion. I used to run Virtualbox, but VMWare is a much
   slicker
 product. Parallels is an excellent product, though.

 But if you want to run windows (and only windows) on it, just

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

Heh.  I just saw the mention of win8 at the bottom, so nevermind my last 
message.

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'm looking forward to that (Win8 clustering) as well...
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup 
running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
clustering.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to happen 
to everyone else (or so the story goes)
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least 
you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a 
single HOST server.
That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is 
actually needed for most services?

I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are doing 
their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active Directory 
duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder: Has anybody 
tried Windows Server on an Atom?

Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD or 
SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle most 
tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away with less 
expensive hardware to do the same duties?

I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet. Or 
if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District
- Original Message -
From: Steve Ens
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
11:26:11 -0700
Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

 I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good for
 some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable too.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:

  You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.

  Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?

  --Matt Ross
  Ephrata School District

  - Original Message -
  From: Steve Ens
  [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
  10:40:10 -0700
  Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

   I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
  wouldn't
   want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.

   On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
   jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens 
stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com
  wrote:

The Acer Revo series is very nice...great for the living room.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Jonathan Link
   jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:

It's a nice form factor.  Not aware of anything that is quite that
  small
in the PC world off the top of my head.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:33 PM, David Lum 
david@nwea.orgmailto:david@nwea.org
  wrote:

I have a few Mac Hardware, Windows OS people in our district,
 and
they run great.

Out of curiositywhy?

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

Well, it's still considered clustering...

I have two Win8 Server VMs clustering to each other inside of two different 
2008R2 Hyper-V roots. It's slicker'n'-uh, stuff. :)

They finally (this was promised in Server 2008) also gave us DHCP clustering 
(without clusters) which ABSOLUTELY ROCKS!

All the press has been on Metro. Bah humbug. Win8 server has LOADS of features 
for IT Pros.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:27 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely 
obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with it 
at all?

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup 
running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
clustering.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker 
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to happen 
to everyone else (or so the story goes)
ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least 
you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a 
single HOST server.
That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.







On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is 
actually needed for most services?

I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are doing 
their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active Directory 
duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder: Has anybody 
tried Windows Server on an Atom?

Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD or 
SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle most 
tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away with less 
expensive hardware to do the same duties?

I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet. Or 
if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District
- Original Message -
From: Steve Ens
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
11:26:11 -0700
Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


 I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good for
 some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable too.


 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:

  You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
 
  Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
 
 
  --Matt Ross
  Ephrata School District
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Steve Ens
  [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

  To: NT System Admin Issues
  [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
  Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
  10:40:10 -0700
  Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
 
 
   I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
  wouldn't
   want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.
  
   On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
   jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
  
I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens 
stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   
The Acer Revo series is very nice...great

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Matthew W. Ross

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So,
my Mac Mini server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely
 obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with
 it at all?
 
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)
 
 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup
 running from one to the other (and vice-versa).
 
 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)
 
 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)
 
 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
 happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
 ASB
 
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least
 you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?
 
 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?
 
 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD
 or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle
 most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away
 with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?
 
 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet.
 Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
 
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
 
 
  I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good
 for
  some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable
 too.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
   You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
  
   Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
  
  
   --Matt Ross
   Ephrata School District
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Steve Ens
   [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
 
   To: NT System Admin Issues
  
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
   Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
   10:40:10 -0700
   Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
  
  
I think AMD Neobut close enough.  great for everyday use, but
   wouldn't
want to run Autocad on it.  For media playout it runs fine too.
   
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.comwrote:
   
 I left out similar specs...  Isnt that an Atom processor?

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Steve Ens
 stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 The Acer Revo series is very nice...great for the living room

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread John Cook

I didn't see any W8 server info at WinConnections, only the desktop and that 
was only pretty slides, not a lot of substance. It's even close to RTM so 
whatever you do hear will quite possibly change.

On a side note I want to throw out props to both Brian Desmond and MBS for some 
excellent sessions, I learned a lot!

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So,
my Mac Mini server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely
 obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with
 it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup
 running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
 happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
 ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least
 you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.







 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD
 or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle
 most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away
 with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?

 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet.
 Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...


  I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good
 for
  some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable
 too.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
   You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
  
   Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
  
  
   --Matt Ross
   Ephrata School District
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Steve Ens
   [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

We weren't allowed to talk about futures, at least on the UC side of the fence. 
That was limited to a few comments and one entire presentation that MSFT made 
about Exchange 2010 SP2.

Under Sinofsky, the information is kept very tight to the vest.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I didn't see any W8 server info at WinConnections, only the desktop and that 
was only pretty slides, not a lot of substance. It's even close to RTM so 
whatever you do hear will quite possibly change.

On a side note I want to throw out props to both Brian Desmond and MBS for some 
excellent sessions, I learned a lot!

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So,
my Mac Mini server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely
 obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with
 it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup
 running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
 happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
 ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least
 you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.







 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD
 or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle
 most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away
 with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?

 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet.
 Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So,
my Mac Mini server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely
 obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with
 it at all?
 
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)
 
 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup
 running from one to the other (and vice-versa).
 
 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)
 
 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)
 
 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
 happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
 ASB
 
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least
 you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?
 
 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?
 
 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD
 or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle
 most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting away
 with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?
 
 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet.
 Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
 
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...
 
 
  I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  Good
 for
  some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty affordable
 too.
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgwrote:
 
   You could upgrade it to a real (albeit low-power) dual-core Athlon.
  
   Why would you want to run Autocad on a small form factor PC?
  
  
   --Matt Ross
   Ephrata School District
  
  
   - Original Message -
   From: Steve Ens
   [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
 
   To: NT System Admin Issues
  
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Steven Peck

The Build conference videos had some stuff on Windows Server 8 that the
press ignored so if you haven't looked at those yet, you might want to find
them and watch.  It's probably not as cool as the stuff that MBS can't tell
us but it's better then the nothing the tech press is giving us.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

 We weren't allowed to talk about futures, at least on the UC side of the
 fence. That was limited to a few comments and one entire presentation that
 MSFT made about Exchange 2010 SP2.

 Under Sinofsky, the information is kept very tight to the vest.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:48 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I didn't see any W8 server info at WinConnections, only the desktop and
 that was only pretty slides, not a lot of substance. It's even close to RTM
 so whatever you do hear will quite possibly change.

 On a side note I want to throw out props to both Brian Desmond and MBS for
 some excellent sessions, I learned a lot!

  John W. Cook
 System Administrator
 Partnership For Strong Families
 5950 NW 1st Place
 Gainesville, Fl 32607
 Office (352) 244-1610
 Cell (352) 215-6944
 MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to
 offer... and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on
 it, I'm looking forward to this new setup.

 If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to
 emerge as they should.


 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District


 - Original Message -
 From: Crawford, Scott
 [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
 09:27:29 -0700
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So,
 my Mac Mini server arrived today...)


  The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely
  obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play
 with
  it at all?
 
  From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
  server arrived today...)
 
  I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
 backup
  running from one to the other (and vice-versa).
 
  I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
  clustering.
 
  Regards,
 
  Michael B. Smith
  Consultant and Exchange MVP
  http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
  From: Andrew S. Baker
  [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
  server arrived today...)
 
  As I learned painfully at home last year. :)
 
  Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
  happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
  ASB
 
  http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 
  Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
  jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
  Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
 least
  you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
  netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on
 a
  single HOST server.
  That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
  So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
  actually needed for most services?
 
  I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
  doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
  Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me
 wonder:
  Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?
 
  Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast
 HD
  or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle
  most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, could I be getting
 away
  with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?
 
  I realize

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread John Cook

Can you answer this - Since (supposedly) there will be support for more than 
2TB NTFS drives is this a new file system (NTFS64) or just a tweak to the 
old one?

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

We weren't allowed to talk about futures, at least on the UC side of the fence. 
That was limited to a few comments and one entire presentation that MSFT made 
about Exchange 2010 SP2.

Under Sinofsky, the information is kept very tight to the vest.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I didn't see any W8 server info at WinConnections, only the desktop and that 
was only pretty slides, not a lot of substance. It's even close to RTM so 
whatever you do hear will quite possibly change.

On a side note I want to throw out props to both Brian Desmond and MBS for some 
excellent sessions, I learned a lot!

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So,
my Mac Mini server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely
 obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with
 it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup
 running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
 happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
 ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At least
 you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines on a
 single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.







 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power is
 actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They are
 doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard Active
 Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, fast HD
 or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 Celeron) handle
 most

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At 
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines 
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power 
 is actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They 
 are doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard 
 Active Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me 
 wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, 
 fast HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 
 Celeron) handle most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, 
 could I be getting away with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?

 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet.
 Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.
 sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Thu, 03 Nov 2011
 11:26:11 -0700
 Subject: Re: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...

  I wouldn't.  Just illustrating that it is a lower horsepower CPU.  
  Good
 for
  some things, and not for others.  I think the NEO is pretty

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

NTFS does bigger than 2TB now. The 2TB is a limit of basic disks. If you format 
your drives as GPT, you can blow WAY past 2TB.

-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Can you answer this - Since (supposedly) there will be support for more than 
2TB NTFS drives is this a new file system (NTFS64) or just a tweak to the 
old one?

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

We weren't allowed to talk about futures, at least on the UC side of the fence. 
That was limited to a few comments and one entire presentation that MSFT made 
about Exchange 2010 SP2.

Under Sinofsky, the information is kept very tight to the vest.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I didn't see any W8 server info at WinConnections, only the desktop and that 
was only pretty slides, not a lot of substance. It's even close to RTM so 
whatever you do hear will quite possibly change.

On a side note I want to throw out props to both Brian Desmond and MBS for some 
excellent sessions, I learned a lot!

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At 
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines 
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power 
 is actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

You already have support for 2TB NTFS volumes. They are called GPT disks. I 
_think_ support was added in 2003 R2; but it's definitely present in Vista/2008 
and above. 

Booting for 2TB NTFS volumes is supported on Vista x64/2008 x64/Win7 x64/2008 
R2 x64 with UEFI support on the motherboard.

I think what you are actually asking about is support for Advanced Format 
(512e). That was added in Server 2008 R2 SP1/Win7 SP1 (or RTM of same with a 
hotfix). See http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;2510009.

In Win8 Server beta, there is also a new file system that is a cross between a 
database and a file system. Similar to the WinFS promised many moons ago. No 
clue whether that will actually make the release or not, but it's kinda fun to 
play with.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Can you answer this - Since (supposedly) there will be support for more than 
2TB NTFS drives is this a new file system (NTFS64) or just a tweak to the 
old one?

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

We weren't allowed to talk about futures, at least on the UC side of the fence. 
That was limited to a few comments and one entire presentation that MSFT made 
about Exchange 2010 SP2.

Under Sinofsky, the information is kept very tight to the vest.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I didn't see any W8 server info at WinConnections, only the desktop and that 
was only pretty slides, not a lot of substance. It's even close to RTM so 
whatever you do hear will quite possibly change.

On a side note I want to throw out props to both Brian Desmond and MBS for some 
excellent sessions, I learned a lot!

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So,
my Mac Mini server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and largely
 obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance to play with
 it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic backup
 running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed to
 happen to everyone else (or so the story goes)
 ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...


 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-ca/subscriptions/securedownloads/default.aspx
This is where I found it...check under new products...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote:

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can
get it. At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to
indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to
offer... and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on
it, I'm looking forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to
emerge as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
server arrived today...)

The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
to play with it at all?

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
Mini server arrived today...)

I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
clustering.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Andrew S. Baker
[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
Mini server arrived today...)

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed
to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though. At
least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines
on a single HOST server.
That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power
is actually needed for most services?

I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They
are doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard
Active Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes
me wonder:
Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM,
fast HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155
Celeron) handle most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka,
could I be getting away with less expensive hardware to do the same
duties?

I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better
bet.
Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District
- Original Message -
From: Steve Ens
[mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com]

To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?
 
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)
 
 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).
 
 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)
 
 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)
 
 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB
 
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At 
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines 
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power 
 is actually needed for most services?
 
 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They 
 are doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard 
 Active Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me 
 wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?
 
 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, 
 fast HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155 
 Celeron) handle most tasks just as well as a Dual 6Core Xeon? Aka, 
 could I be getting away with less expensive hardware to do the same duties?
 
 I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better bet.
 Or if I'm trying to run VMs, the Atom's not even an option.
 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve Ens
 [mailto:stevey...@gmail.commailto:stevey...@gmail.com

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread John Cook

I'm pretty sure they were referring to native basic disks.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 01:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

NTFS does bigger than 2TB now. The 2TB is a limit of basic disks. If you format 
your drives as GPT, you can blow WAY past 2TB.

-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:15 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Can you answer this - Since (supposedly) there will be support for more than 
2TB NTFS drives is this a new file system (NTFS64) or just a tweak to the 
old one?

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

We weren't allowed to talk about futures, at least on the UC side of the fence. 
That was limited to a few comments and one entire presentation that MSFT made 
about Exchange 2010 SP2.

Under Sinofsky, the information is kept very tight to the vest.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:48 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I didn't see any W8 server info at WinConnections, only the desktop and that 
was only pretty slides, not a lot of substance. It's even close to RTM so 
whatever you do hear will quite possibly change.

On a side note I want to throw out props to both Brian Desmond and MBS for some 
excellent sessions, I learned a lot!

 John W. Cook
System Administrator
Partnership For Strong Families
5950 NW 1st Place
Gainesville, Fl 32607
Office (352) 244-1610
Cell (352) 215-6944
MCSE, MCP+I, MCTS, CompTIA A+, N+, VSP4, VTSP4

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

I am not a MSDN subscriber and it let me grab it...YMMV

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can
get it. At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to
indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to
offer... and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on
it, I'm looking forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to
emerge as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
to play with it at all?

I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
clustering.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed
to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines
on a single HOST server.
That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

I realize if I'm encoding or rendering, the hefty Xeon is a much better

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

I've, ahem, found a copy of the iso. Do you have an sha or md5 hash of the iso 
you have so I can verify that the version I've found isn't tainted? :)

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At 
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines 
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power 
 is actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They 
 are doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard 
 Active Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it makes me 
 wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, 
 fast HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155
 Celeron) handle most tasks

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Ralph Smith

From a link at windowsitpro.com, which had some interesting articles in
this month's issue on Server 8

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/apps/br229516



-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
Mini server arrived today...)

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
Mini server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can
get it.  At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to
indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-d
eveloper-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
Mini server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to
only speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or
Technet subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
Mini server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to
offer... and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on
it, I'm looking forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to
emerge as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
Mini server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?
 
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)
 
 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).
 
 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)
 
 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)
 
 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB
 
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At

 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a
host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines 
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross 
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power 
 is actually needed for most services?
 
 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They 
 are doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard 
 Active Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it
makes me wonder:
 Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?
 
 Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM, 
 fast HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155
 Celeron) handle most tasks just

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

//
// File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05.
//
MD5 SHA-1
-
afad4c4e3140cc70d58b778e11dbbb01 047ec0ce7458b837c36160960cb23b7bd9daca93 
en_windows_server_developer_preview_x64_dvd_735221.iso

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've, ahem, found a copy of the iso. Do you have an sha or md5 hash of the iso 
you have so I can verify that the version I've found isn't tainted? :)

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx


-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)


 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?
 
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)
 
 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).
 
 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)
 
 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)
 
 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB
 
 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 
 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At 
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck 
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines 
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Thu, Nov 3

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

Sweet! Link?

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:35 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I am not a MSDN subscriber and it let me grab it...YMMV
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott 
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross 
[mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith 
 [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org
  wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much processing power
 is actually needed for most services?

 I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

Thanks. I'll let ya know.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

//
// File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05.
//
MD5 SHA-1
-
afad4c4e3140cc70d58b778e11dbbb01 047ec0ce7458b837c36160960cb23b7bd9daca93 
en_windows_server_developer_preview_x64_dvd_735221.iso

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've, ahem, found a copy of the iso. Do you have an sha or md5 hash of the iso 
you have so I can verify that the version I've found isn't tainted? :)

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link 
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At 
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Free, Bob

Does it still require you to go to MSDN and obtain an activation key?

I haven't played with win8 but that's how other packages worked in my experience

From: Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I am not a MSDN subscriber and it let me grab it...YMMV
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com wrote:
My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott 
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross 
[mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edumailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.commailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith 
 [mailto:mich...@smithcons.commailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.commailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
 jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
 least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
 netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines
 on a single HOST server.
 That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

 On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
 mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org
  wrote:
 So, since this has come up, I'm

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

No key required, but you do still need to activate if you want to play with
the toys.
it's up and running in Hyper V already.  interesting what they've done with
server mangler, etc.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Free, Bob r...@pge.com wrote:

  Does it still require you to go to MSDN and obtain an activation key? ***
 *

 ** **

 I haven’t played with win8 but that’s how other packages worked in my
 experience

 ** **

 *From:* Steve Ens [mailto:stevey...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Friday, November 04, 2011 11:35 AM

 *To:* NT System Admin Issues
 *Subject:* Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
 Mini server arrived today...)

 ** **

 I am not a MSDN subscriber and it let me grab it...YMMV

 On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael B. Smith mich...@smithcons.com
 wrote:

 My bad. You are right. MSDN only.


 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-

 From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can
 get it.  At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to
 indicate MSDN only.


 http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx


 -Original Message-
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

 The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only
 speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet
 subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com


 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to
 offer... and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on
 it, I'm looking forward to this new setup.

 If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to
 emerge as they should.


 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District


 - Original Message -
 From: Crawford, Scott
 [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
 09:27:29 -0700
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)


  The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
  largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
  to play with it at all?
 
  From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
  Mini server arrived today...)
 
  I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
  backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).
 
  I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
  clustering.
 
  Regards,
 
  Michael B. Smith
  Consultant and Exchange MVP
  http://TheEssentialExchange.com
 
  From: Andrew S. Baker
  [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
  Mini server arrived today...)
 
  As I learned painfully at home last year. :)
 
  Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed
  to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB
 
  http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker
 
  Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
 
 
  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
  jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
  Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though.  At
  least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a host.
  On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
  netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines
  on a single HOST server.
  That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Matthew W. Ross
  mr...@ephrataschools.orgmailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org wrote:
  So, since this has come up, I'm curious on how much

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Andrew S. Baker

Didn't work for me...

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Steve Ens stevey...@gmail.com wrote:

I am not a MSDN subscriber and it let me grab it...YMMV

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Michael B. Smith
mich...@smithcons.comwrote:

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can
get it. At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to
indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to
only speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or
Technet subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to
offer... and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on
it, I'm looking forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to
emerge as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
to play with it at all?

I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
clustering.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed
to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Link
jonathan.l...@gmail.commailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com wrote:
Instead of going (5 or 10) to 1, I suggest (5 or 10) to 2, though. At
least you have some functionality if you have physical failure of a
host.
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Mark Boeck
netadmin...@gmail.commailto:netadmin...@gmail.com wrote:

Most ppl can run 5 - 10 of their existing servers as virtual machines
on a single HOST server.
That gives u an idea of how underutilized most hardware is.

I have some Quad-Core Xeons which are absolutely underutilized. They
are doing their jobs (usually serving user home folders and standard
Active Directory duties) with plenty of horsepower to spare. So it
makes me wonder:
Has anybody tried Windows Server on an Atom?

Take all the other bottlenecks out of the equation: Plenty of RAM,
fast HD or SSD... does the 1.8 dual core Atom (or the Socket 1155
Celeron) handle

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

Many thanks. They match almost exactly :)

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:21 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Thanks. I'll let ya know.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:09 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

//
// File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05.
//
MD5 SHA-1
-
afad4c4e3140cc70d58b778e11dbbb01 047ec0ce7458b837c36160960cb23b7bd9daca93 
en_windows_server_developer_preview_x64_dvd_735221.iso

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:40 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've, ahem, found a copy of the iso. Do you have an sha or md5 hash of the iso 
you have so I can verify that the version I've found isn't tainted? :)

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can get it. 
 At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to indicate MSDN only.

http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only 
speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet 
subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to offer... 
and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on it, I'm looking 
forward to this new setup.

If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to emerge 
as they should.

--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District

- Original Message -
From: Crawford, Scott
[mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
09:27:29 -0700
Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini 
server arrived today...)

 The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and 
 largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance 
 to play with it at all?

 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic 
 backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

 I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing 
 clustering.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 From: Andrew S. Baker
 [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac 
 Mini server arrived today...)

 As I learned painfully at home last year. :)

 Not that I didn't know, of course, but that sort of thing is supposed 
 to happen to everyone else (or so the story goes) ASB

 http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker

 Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB

Re: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)

2011-11-04 Thread Jonathan Link

Uhhh...

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Crawford, Scott crawfo...@evangel.eduwrote:

 Many thanks. They match almost exactly :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:21 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 Thanks. I'll let ya know.

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:09 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 //
 // File Checksum Integrity Verifier version 2.05.
 //
MD5 SHA-1
 -
 afad4c4e3140cc70d58b778e11dbbb01 047ec0ce7458b837c36160960cb23b7bd9daca93
 en_windows_server_developer_preview_x64_dvd_735221.iso

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/

 -Original Message-
 From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 2:40 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I've, ahem, found a copy of the iso. Do you have an sha or md5 hash of the
 iso you have so I can verify that the version I've found isn't tainted? :)

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:55 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

  My bad. You are right. MSDN only.

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/

 -Original Message-
 From: Crawford, Scott [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:29 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I'd love to be wrong on this, but I don't think technet subscribers can
 get it.  At least, I can't find it on technet and this link seems to
 indicate MSDN only.

 http://blogs.technet.com/b/xuzonne/archive/2011/09/20/windows-server-8-developer-build-preview-available-for-download.aspx

 -Original Message-
 From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:03 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 Any technet or msdn subscriber can download the Win8 Server preview.

 The EULA seems to disagree in places with my MVP NDA, so I'm going to only
 speak in broad generalities. But I'm guessing that most MSDN or Technet
 subscribers could tell you anything you want to know. :-P

 Regards,

 Michael B. Smith
 Consultant and Exchange MVP
 http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/

 -Original Message-
 From: Matthew W. Ross [mailto:mr...@ephrataschools.org]
 Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:36 PM
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

 I've read a bit about what Server 8 (And the new Hyper-V) is going to
 offer... and it sounds amazing. If people are able to share more info on
 it, I'm looking forward to this new setup.

 If it's under NDA, I understand and await patiently for the details to
 emerge as they should.

 --Matt Ross
 Ephrata School District

 - Original Message -
 From: Crawford, Scott
 [mailto:crawfo...@evangel.edu]
 To: NT System Admin Issues
 [mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
 Sent: Fri, 04 Nov 2011
 09:27:29 -0700
 Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini
 server arrived today...)

  The server 8 stuff sounds like it will automate some of this and
  largely obviate the need for clustering at all. Have you had a chance
  to play with it at all?

  From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 11:19 AM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac
  Mini server arrived today...)

  I have not yet clustered my Hyper-V hosts, but I do have an automatic
  backup running from one to the other (and vice-versa).

  I do intend to reformat and reinstall with Win8 and do shared-nothing
  clustering.

  Regards,

  Michael B. Smith
  Consultant and Exchange MVP
  http://TheEssentialExchange.com http://theessentialexchange.com/

  From: Andrew S. Baker
  [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]mailto:[mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:12 PM
  To: NT System Admin Issues
  Subject: Re: How much processing power do you need

RE: How much processing power do you need? (WAS: So, my Mac Mini server arrived today...)