date:20120925

Hello All,

I've captured a series of questions for inclusion in an upcoming AOO
survey. The questions are intended to help us understand which features and
capabilities are most frequently used in the editors. Insight from this
survey will help us focus our attention on core task, and help prioritize
future effort.

I've captured the questions in a spreadsheet. Please visit the UX wiki to
download and review the questions.

*AOO Survey Templates - Task Prioritization*
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_Survey_Templates_-_Task_Prioritization

These questions, along with others, will be included in re-usable question
packages that can be deployed in LimeSurvey, our new survey tooling. I will
send out a note on the LimeSurvey effort soon.

Regards,
Kevin

Re: [DISCUSS] defining roles for management, coordination, work items...

Hello All,

Great collection of community roles.

Without creating a full method library, which is really heavy lifting,
might we make some associations between the roles with activities, work
products and responsibilities.

We could include a RACI (responsible, accountable, consulted, informed)
matrix to define how roles who perform work and create work product, work
with other roles to deliver.

Some thoughts...

Regards,
Kevin




On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Yue Helen  wrote:

> This is a pretty good proposal!
>
> I have seen much discussion around the criteria of PMC, and this one seems
> most solid to me. A PMC is a group of people who have respective leadership
> in his/her areas, and can lead this product to success.
>
> Helen
>
> 2012/9/7 Oliver-Rainer Wittmann 
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to give my thoughts on defining roles for management, ... as
> > the thread "Specific actions needed for developing the community" tends
> to
> > become a general one on this topic.
> >
> > For me we, the AOO community, need to have an idea about the different
> > roles which need to be fullfilled to drive our project:
> > - role of developer
> > - role of forum admin
> > - role of tester
> > - role of UX practitioners
> > - role of release manager
> > - role of community manager
> > - role of marketing person
> > - role of press contact
> > - role of distribution manager
> > - role of buildbot admin
> > - ...
> >
> > From my point of view these are more or less areas of the project which
> > need to be fullfilled with certain actions and coordination.
> > What I do not believe is that we need to assign certain individuals on
> > these roles (*).
> > I agree with Jürgen that certain individuals will grow their expertise in
> > a certain role/area and as a contributor will take action or raise flag
> due
> > to lack of resources, knowlegde, ...
> > I think we already had quite a couple of good examples for such a habit.
> > But, I also have to admit that for certain other roles we did not yet
> > succeed as we could and should.
> > And here comes the responsibility of the (P)PMC - its management duty, if
> > you want. The (P)PMC as a group takes care that the roles are fullfilled.
> > E.g., by raising a corresponding gap on ooo-dev, by calling for
> discussion
> > and volunteers, by leveraging new and/or established members.
> > My thoughts are also based on the fact that Apache had only two roles in
> a
> > project to by assigned to a certain individual - the PMC chair and the
> > release manager.
> >
> > As pointed out above, I think that we need to work out the need and the
> > working tasks for certain roles in our project. This work out is from my
> > point of view a community task which could or may be should be driven by
> > the current PPMC in order to demonstrate our self-governance.
> >
> >
> > Best regards, Oliver.
> >
> >
> > (*) except the ones for the PMC chair and the release manager, of course,
> > as they are part of the Apache Way.
> >
>

Re: [Extension]Task panel/ sidebar view

Questions:

Is this feature formally in AOO roadmap?

If so, what release is it in plan for?

Do Bugilla epics or stories exist for this work?

Regards,
Kevin



On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Kevin Grignon wrote:

> Hey All,
>
> Thanks for the links to existing effort. This is useful to see what has
> been considered already.
>
> As a reminder, AOO UX looked at the Symphony Task Pane and prepared a
> report that identified positive aspects of the Symphony task pane to
> emulate via merge/migration, and which aspects to avoid. We also identified
> a number of opportunities for improvement for the task pane implementation
> moving forward.
>
> See: AOO Symphony UX Migration/Merge Analysis - Task 
> Panefor
>  more information.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Dali Liu  wrote:
>
>> 2012/9/20 Jürgen Schmidt 
>>
>> > On 9/19/12 8:24 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>> > > Hi Jürgen,
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 01:13:23PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> But more important is the question how we can move forward with the
>> > >> already  planned improvements of this feature (see the wiki pages).
>> > >
>> > > I guess in the usual way: someone sits down, and writes code ;)
>> > >
>> > >> Especially the tabs on the right site with icons etc. comparable to
>> the
>> > >> side bar in Symphony. Symphony comes here with some good improvements
>> > >> and useful property side bars.
>> > >
>> > > Now that you mentioned it: although the property side bar is
>> "something
>> > > new" and may be useful from a user perspective, it has several
>> > > drawbacks, and introduces several regressions compared to what AOO
>> > > actually has to offer:
>> > >
>> > > - from the user perspective, AOO currently supports a way to customize
>> > >   User Interface elements, at application and document level (Tools
>> > >   - Customize dialog). Symphony's property side bars are completely
>> > >   hard-coded in resource files, no way to customize them
>> > >
>> > > - from the programmability perspective: AOO currently offers extension
>> > >   developer a whole set of features, from disabling commands via
>> > >   configuration, dispatch interception, menu and toolbar merging, etc.
>> > >   Symphony's property sidebars cannot be extended by the merging
>> > mechanism
>> > >   (as said before, their structure is hard-coded). The most important
>> > >   part is that the property sidebar wasn't design taking
>> programmability
>> > >   into account: try disabling some command as explain in
>> > >
>> >
>> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/WritingUNO/Disable_Commands
>> > >   it will work with toolbars and menus (in context menus the command
>> is
>> > >   not disabled, but at least the command is not dispatched); but in
>> the
>> > >   property sidebar the command is enabled and even dispatched
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > While some of these regressions can be fixed (among other things, not
>> > > dispatching through the SfxDispatcher but through the SfxBindings,
>> ...),
>> > > allowing customization of the sidebars seems not doable (at least in
>> the
>> > > current state of the application framework).
>> > >
>> > > In conclusion, I wouldn't speak about a "revolutionary UI change" in
>> the
>> > > code that has been contributed; as explained above, it has several
>> > > drawbacks and, from some perspective, is a regression from what AOO
>> > > currently offers to users and extension developers.
>> >
>> > I agree and share all your observations. Nobody said a "revolutionary UI
>> > change" but the property side bar is of course a very useful approach to
>> > make these features better and more intuitive available. We should keep
>> > in mind that this UI was also awarded, feedback was positive and users
>> > like it. From my point of view reasons enough to at least take such an
>> > UI into account. The technical realization is of course a different
>> thing.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >> And we have already a mechanism to
>> > >> integrate such task panes/side bars via extensions. We should think
>> > >> about how we can bring together both ...
>> > >
>> > > I recall that Carsten Driesner told me that the way how the tool panel
>> > > was implemented was a sort of hack; the real solution was in the
>> > > refactoring he was doing in the layout manager code, to support
>> docking
>> > > windows as new UI elements; unfortunately, he no longer works on
>> > > OpenOffice, and there isn't much in the cws dockingwindows2 to get an
>> > > idea.
>> >
>> > I agree and there was work ongoing. My point is that we have to take
>> > care of potential existing solutions and if we can support the exiting
>> > API's in some way. But even if not we have to think about a good
>> > migration of existing extensions making already use of this feature.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > This shows another drawback of the Symphony sid

Re: [Extension]Task panel/ sidebar view

Hey All,

Thanks for the links to existing effort. This is useful to see what has
been considered already.

As a reminder, AOO UX looked at the Symphony Task Pane and prepared a
report that identified positive aspects of the Symphony task pane to
emulate via merge/migration, and which aspects to avoid. We also identified
a number of opportunities for improvement for the task pane implementation
moving forward.

See: AOO Symphony UX Migration/Merge Analysis - Task
Panefor
more information.

Regards,
Kevin



On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Dali Liu  wrote:

> 2012/9/20 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
> > On 9/19/12 8:24 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> > > Hi Jürgen,
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 01:13:23PM +0200, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> > >>
> > >> But more important is the question how we can move forward with the
> > >> already  planned improvements of this feature (see the wiki pages).
> > >
> > > I guess in the usual way: someone sits down, and writes code ;)
> > >
> > >> Especially the tabs on the right site with icons etc. comparable to
> the
> > >> side bar in Symphony. Symphony comes here with some good improvements
> > >> and useful property side bars.
> > >
> > > Now that you mentioned it: although the property side bar is "something
> > > new" and may be useful from a user perspective, it has several
> > > drawbacks, and introduces several regressions compared to what AOO
> > > actually has to offer:
> > >
> > > - from the user perspective, AOO currently supports a way to customize
> > >   User Interface elements, at application and document level (Tools
> > >   - Customize dialog). Symphony's property side bars are completely
> > >   hard-coded in resource files, no way to customize them
> > >
> > > - from the programmability perspective: AOO currently offers extension
> > >   developer a whole set of features, from disabling commands via
> > >   configuration, dispatch interception, menu and toolbar merging, etc.
> > >   Symphony's property sidebars cannot be extended by the merging
> > mechanism
> > >   (as said before, their structure is hard-coded). The most important
> > >   part is that the property sidebar wasn't design taking
> programmability
> > >   into account: try disabling some command as explain in
> > >
> >
> http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide/WritingUNO/Disable_Commands
> > >   it will work with toolbars and menus (in context menus the command is
> > >   not disabled, but at least the command is not dispatched); but in the
> > >   property sidebar the command is enabled and even dispatched
> > >
> > >
> > > While some of these regressions can be fixed (among other things, not
> > > dispatching through the SfxDispatcher but through the SfxBindings,
> ...),
> > > allowing customization of the sidebars seems not doable (at least in
> the
> > > current state of the application framework).
> > >
> > > In conclusion, I wouldn't speak about a "revolutionary UI change" in
> the
> > > code that has been contributed; as explained above, it has several
> > > drawbacks and, from some perspective, is a regression from what AOO
> > > currently offers to users and extension developers.
> >
> > I agree and share all your observations. Nobody said a "revolutionary UI
> > change" but the property side bar is of course a very useful approach to
> > make these features better and more intuitive available. We should keep
> > in mind that this UI was also awarded, feedback was positive and users
> > like it. From my point of view reasons enough to at least take such an
> > UI into account. The technical realization is of course a different
> thing.
> >
> > >
> > >> And we have already a mechanism to
> > >> integrate such task panes/side bars via extensions. We should think
> > >> about how we can bring together both ...
> > >
> > > I recall that Carsten Driesner told me that the way how the tool panel
> > > was implemented was a sort of hack; the real solution was in the
> > > refactoring he was doing in the layout manager code, to support docking
> > > windows as new UI elements; unfortunately, he no longer works on
> > > OpenOffice, and there isn't much in the cws dockingwindows2 to get an
> > > idea.
> >
> > I agree and there was work ongoing. My point is that we have to take
> > care of potential existing solutions and if we can support the exiting
> > API's in some way. But even if not we have to think about a good
> > migration of existing extensions making already use of this feature.
> >
> > >
> > > This shows another drawback of the Symphony sidebar implementation, as
> > > completely designed in the old sfx2 framework, away from all the UNO
> > > stuff that makes the application programable for extension development.
> > > I guess that with a corporate mind, making this stuff extensible wasn't
> > > in the original plan; while here at Apache OpenOffice, extensibility is
> > > a way to produ

Re: [DISCUSS]: What should be part of AOO by default or what belongs more into a broader eco-system around AOO

Hello All,

Great topic. I too belong to the "less is more" school. Great in theory,
harder to realize with a moving ship ;)

Re: connectors
- this is a great way to extend the core
- perhaps we could create a stronger development eco-system for extensions
- perhaps we could make the extension more consumable and discoverable for
end users

Re: smaller footprint
- this is also great
- perhaps the core becomes so light that it can be the base for full on
custom applications
- I assume this is a core theme in Future AOO? Hope so
- build a full eco-system like Firefox, or Evernote
- the default install for AOO could include the core, and some common
extensions
- then we make it easy for people to manage extensions
- perhaps we explore ways for people to discover and access extension to
extend the core in the context of a task
ex: I'm doing some advanced publishing, and I trigger a one-click
installation of an extension from within an AOO view or dialog related to
formating content --  on demand capabilities
- more broadly, we could provide a better experience to enable or disable
extensions on demand

Thoughts?

Oh ya, I wanted to mention that UX is in the process of deploying a task
prioritization 
survey,
the results of which can feed into the conversation.

Regards,
Kevin



On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:

> 2012/9/13 Andrea Pescetti 
>
> > On 11/09/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> >
> >> On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:27 AM, "Jürgen Schmidt" wrote:
> >>
> >>> Things that comes to my mind where I would always prefer an extension
> >>> solution:
> >>> - Connectors to some non free, non open source software based on
> >>> proprietary API's. ...
> >>>
> >>> - Dependencies on external GPL, LGPL libraries.
> >>> - Rarely used features ...
> >>>
> >> I think those are reasonable guidelines.  Amother category is a
> >> "standard extension" that is under ALv2 and is part of a release.
> >>
> >
> > I agree, these components should be packaged as extensions.
> >
> >
> >  We should probably think of what install enhancements we can make to
> >> better facilitate bundling of extensions. To the developer and user,
> >> extension + easy install integration should feel the same as adding a
> >> feature to the core.
> >>
> >
> > The main problem is that the ecosystem around OpenOffice is completely
> > unknown to most end users. It would be a huge leap forward to use the
> > bottom-right part of the Start Centre to promote this ecosystem
> > (Extensions, Templates, everything that makes sense) by displaying a
> couple
> > lines of dynamic content retrieved from sources we control. Examples of
> > content we could broadcast there:
> > - "Add a grammar checker to OpenOffice: [link to LanguageTool/LightProof
> > on the Extensions site]"
> > - "Download a CV template for OpenOffice: [link to a template on the
> > Templates site]"
> > - "Add clipart to OpenOffice: [relevant link]"
> > - "Tip of the day: using styles in OpenOffice [link to wiki page]"
> >
> > Instead of promoting certain items, I think generally we should make the
> Search function more visible to users. Just like I don't know what's in App
> Stores, I just try a search and see what I can get.
> The current 3 small icons at the bottom-left of the welcome page for
> templet/extension/website are too far to get users' attention, even though
> the web pages they link to are very cool. We can redesign it will more
> visible icons and sentences, even search dialog on the welcome page. Of
> course, Quickstarter is another good place.
>
> - Simon
>
>
>
> > This shouldn't be hard to do and it would allow us to make users aware of
> > the ecosystem around OpenOffice, which in turn means we can be confident
> > that users will try to find functionality in Extensions if they don't
> have
> > it readily available in OpenOffice.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Andrea.
> >
>

Re: Some stats and observations on OpenOffice upgrades

2012-09-25 Thread Reizinger Zoltán


2012.09.25. 21:06 keltezéssel, Rob Weir írta:

I've been looking at the upgrade numbers, the downloads that are
triggered from upgrade notifications in the OpenOffice client.
Although we are not tracking how many times such notifications pop up
in the OpenOffice client we do know from Google Analytics how many
users click the link to get more information on the update, and how
many of these users actually download the upgrade.

The trends have been pretty steady, a slight peak when a release is
initially made, but a lingering steady state of upgrade requests even
several weeks later.

For example, let's look at the status for a single day, last
Wednesday, Sept. 19th.

On that date we had 164,752 total downloads of AOO.  Of those
downloads, it looks like 54% of them come from upgrading users.  The
remainder are either from new users, or existing users that went to
the website directly rather than from an upgrade notification.  (No
easy way of distinguishing these two).

The interesting thing is the breakdown by OpenOffice client version.

For the upgrade installs on Sept 19th we see:

31% of upgrades were from AOO 3.4.0

52% of upgrades were from OOo 3.3.0

15% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.1

3% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.0

Note the OOo 3.3.0 numbers.  Nearly 4 months after AOO 3.4 was
released we are still getting large numbers of OOo 3.3.0 users
receiving and responding to upgrade notifications, nearly 20,000/day.

I'm not sure how to explain this.  Upgrade notifications should
surface once a week.

Maybe:

A) Some users are sporadically connected to the internet and the
upgrade check rarely is successful

B) Some users ignore/defer the upgrade notifications until a later
time, in some cases months later
Some features not supported in AOO 3.4.x especially, the report builder 
not developed any more,

and Base users meet problems with reports containing charts.
For this reason they after upgrade to AOO 3.4.x downgrade back az least 
one computer in companies

to OOo 3.3 for report creating, and not care about update warning.
And waiting for solution, and we can not provide them real solution,
It is from forum posts (LibO no solutions for them, because their report 
builder has different bugs,

which prevent from daily work.)
Zoltan


C) Some user run OpenOffice rarely, sometimes at an interval of several months

D) Someone, some web site, some organization, etc., is still
distributing OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 to users, and after they install
they get the AOO upgrade notification.

If D), this is somewhat a concern, since users running OOo 3.3.0 are
exposed to several security flaws.


-Rob

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

KG01 - See comments inline

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

>
> On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>
> > Should we have a webdev list?
>
> We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.
>
> >
> > In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
> > am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
> > redesign start growing.
>
> Generally everything should be here.
>
KG01 - agreed

>
> >
> > Some suggestions on the design of the site:
> > - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
> > software with office productivity.
>
>
KG01 - I think we should focus on content before we worry about styling or
visual design. Please create a wiki page on cwiki to capture the proposed
enhancements.




> Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design
> contest. Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.
>
> Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with
> the main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and
> footers.
>
> > - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
> > different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
> > help our users browse through the site.
>
> Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags
> in device specific css files that can then be varied according to the
> dimensions of the browser.
>
> > - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
> > theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
> > templates/extension/wiki site.
>
> The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by
> the sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure
> that SF can follow as well.
>
> > - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
> > (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.
>
> Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
> >
> > On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> >> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk 
> wrote:
>  With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to
> consider
>  a
>  slight update to the user portal web site --
>  http://www.openoffice.org/--
>  for this momentous occasion.
> 
>  To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
> >>> updated
>  robots.txt to not index this directory.
> 
>  I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
> >>> horizontal
>  placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
> 
>  Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
> >>> mockups of
>  ideas.
> 
>

KG01 - Yes, good idea. Actually, UX is setting up a virtual studio to show
sketches, mockups and screen caps of ideas.


> >>>
> >>> Good topic to bring up.
> >>>
> >>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
> >>> www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project website, which
> >>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
> >>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our
> >>> subversion tree changes as well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.
> >>>
> >>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
> >>>
> >>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
> >>> disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
> >>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>

KG01 - Short term re-branding could remove the "incubation" reference. More
broadly, we should style the site to reflect any updates to our branding.


> >>>
> >>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
> >>> references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search &
> >>> replace operation.
> >>>
> >>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI.  IMHO it is always a good
> >>> time to improve the website ;-)
>

KG01 - Long term UI refresh, should be associated with any enhancement to
our brand moving foward. 4.0 presents an opportunity to launch such a
re-branding.

KG01 - Who can lead a re-branding effort? Marketing? PMC? Thoughts?

>>>
>>>
>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>> website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>>
>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>>
>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>>

KG01 - Agree, nice font. Very legible onscreen.



>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>>
>>
>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we
graduate,
>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>>
>> re:

Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

UX is willing to help as well.

Regards,
Kevin


On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:

> 2012/9/25 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
> > On 9/25/12 3:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir 
> wrote:
> > >>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> > >>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future.  A big
> > >>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0.  That once seemed so very far away,
> but
> > >>> 2013 is getting closer every day.   Will it be a large collection of
> > >>> small ideas?  Will it have a major overarching theme?  Or will it
> just
> > >>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> > >>> release 4.0?   The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> > >>> members/volunteers decide to do.   It is a good time now, as a
> > >>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> > >>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> > >>>
> > >>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> > >>> help us gather and rate ideas:
> > >>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> > >>>
> > >>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> > >>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well
> as
> > >>> rate the ideas of others.   Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> > >>> outside-of-the-box.  We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> > >>>
> > >>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> > >>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for
> others
> > >>> to rate and comment on it.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now.  So far, so good.
> > >>  The latest stats are:
> > >>
> > >> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> > >>
> > >
> > > Today, a week later:  633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> > >
> > > So we are still getting a good amount of feedback.  I added a mention
> > > of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header.  That
> > > should give this even more visibility.
> > >
> > > I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> > > can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> > > help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> > >
> > > Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
> > >
> > > At that point we can:
> > >
> > > 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> > > accepting new suggestions.  Point the users to the ooo-users or
> > > ooo-dev mailing list instead,
> > >
> > > 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> > > archive that someplace.
> > >
> > > 3) Discuss the results received
> > >
> > > 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> > > results received?
> > >
> > > Any other ideas?
> >
> > not directly. We should analyze it first and should create some overall
> > story out of it for our next release. I think this can help to prepare
> > some marketing material in time for this release as well. It's time that
> > we sell our work a little bit better ;-)
> >
> > I agree with all 4 points and I am willing to help them where I can. I
> > expect point 3) will be a bigger item where hopefully many will
> > participate and I am looking forward to this. I saw many interesting
> > stuff already.
> >
>
> I'm also willing to help. I think we can break down the work and each
> people take different topics to categorize the ideas and count the vote.
>
> - Simon
>
>
>
> >
> > Juergen
> >
> > >
> > > I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> > > finish it.  But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> > > volunteer.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> > >> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> > >> taking another look.  It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> > >> the ones that came in early.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> > >> and start analyzing the results?  Or mid October?  It would be good to
> > >> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> -Rob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> Regards,
> > >>>
> > >>> -Rob
> >
> >
>

Re: WaE: sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx

2012-09-25 Thread chengjh

Hi Pavel,

The patch for this issue has been submitted for review..Could you please
help the code review
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121066 before
delivering it?Thanks.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 10:22 AM, chengjh  wrote:

> I will have a look..thanks.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Pavel Janík  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> the current build is almost WaE clean. Module sw contains this warning:
>>
>> sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx: In member function ‘void
>> WW8_WrtBookmarks::MoveFieldMarks(sal_uLong, sal_uLong)’:
>> sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx:315: warning: comparison between signed
>> and unsigned integer expressions
>>
>> Please fix this.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> --
>> Pavel Janík
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng
>
>


-- 

Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng

Re: [RELEASE] 3.5, 4.0, fixpack, milestone build...

2012/9/26 Kay Schenk 

> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:
>
> > 2012/9/24 Keith N. McKenna 
> >
> > > Rob Weir wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Keith N. McKenna
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Rob Weir wrote:
> > >>>
> > 
> >  On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Hi, all,
> > > After 3.4.1, we are focusing on preparation of the community
> > > graduation.
> > > But I still want to remind us to take some time to think about our
> > > future
> > > releases.
> > >
> > > We have the discussion early about what 3.5 and 4.0 should look
> > > like.
> > > If
> > > I remember correctly:
> > > (1) 3.5 should be more about fidelity, reliability, performance and
> > > translation, new platform support...
> > > (2) While 4.0, in addition to the same focuses as 3.5, should also
> > add
> > > significant UX enhancements (e.g. sidebar, modern UI) and new
> values
> > > (e.g.
> > > Accessibility, social integration capability, enhanced installer,
> new
> > > features...). If we make good progress on those items at the same
> > time,
> > > we
> > > may consider to skip 3.5.
> > > (3) There are also more requirements (e.g. fixpack mechanism,
> > > simplifying
> > > the build structure, OOMXL export, smartArt...) we need  to put
> into
> > > our
> > > backlog and consider their priority.
> > >
> > > Even we don't need to discuss the solid plan now, but there are
> > > already a
> > > lot of development activities on the trunk. So I think we need to
> > keep
> > > certain track on it. Though it may be too early to set a target
> date
> > > for
> > > the next release, but it is important for us to tell more about
> what
> > we
> > > think the next release should contain.
> > >
> > > So I'm suggesting the following:
> > >
> > > 1. Keep updating the current release planning wiki:
> > >-
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> > > AOO+3.5+Release+Planning<
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.5+Release+Planning
> > >
> > >-
> > >
> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> > > AOO+4.0+Release+Planning<
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning
> > >
> > >  I know it is a little confusing for 2 places to input. But
> think
> > > about
> > > the scope we agreed above. You can input to the wiki that you think
> > > your
> > > work belong to. I personally will monitor both wiki pages.
> > >
> > > 2. Figure out a better way to manage our release backlog. e.g. set
> > > Target
> > > Milestone to 3.5 or 4.0 in Bugzilla for what we recommended.
> > >
> > > 3. Deliver milestone builds to harvest our development fruits. A
> > > milestone
> > > build is:
> > >(a) a development snapshot that contains the
> > > features/enhancements
> > > that implemented till now;
> > >(b) passed regression test to ensure no severe defects;
> > >(c) announced on a development wiki;
> > >(d) with documents on the wiki for the list of features and
> > bug
> > > fixes
> > > in this milestone build (like a release notes).
> > >  Since whatever 3.5 or 4.0 sounds to me like some thing in next
> > > year
> > > or
> > > at least close to the end of this year, milestone builds can be
> light
> > > weigh
> > > on process to show our development progress, and give people a more
> > > clear
> > > view on how far are we to the next release.
> > >
> > > Looking forward every one's comments!
> > >
> > >
> >  Maybe also start a "release notes" page on the wiki.  Whenever a new
> >  feature or important bug fix is added to the trunk also add
> something
> >  to the release notes.   If something can be show with a "before and
> >  after" screen shot, include that.  This might be easier than waiting
> >  until the end to prepare the release notes.
> > 
> >  -Rob
> > 
> > 
> > > - Simon
> > >
> > 
> > 
> >   Rob;
> > >>>
> > >>> A Release Notes page already exists or 3.5 and one or 4.0 can be
> easily
> > >>> added. The complication I see here is since we have not decided
> whether
> > >>> the
> > >>> next release will be 3.5 or 4.0 that would require adding it in two
> > >>> places.
> > >>> I see that as a lot of overhead at this point.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> IMHO, the name is not so important.  Everything in the trunk goes into
> > >> the next release.  Nothing not in the trunk goes into the next
> > >> release.  So if we want a wiki page that is called "Release notes for
> > >> AOO Target January 2013" then it would be su

Re: [RELEASE] 3.5, 4.0, fixpack, milestone build...

2012/9/26 Keith N. McKenna 

> Shenfeng Liu wrote:
>
>> 2012/9/24 Keith N. McKenna 
>>
>>  Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Keith N. McKenna
  wrote:

  Rob Weir wrote:
>
>
>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
> 
>
>
>>>  Maybe also start a "release notes" page on the wiki.  Whenever a new
>> feature or important bug fix is added to the trunk also add something
>> to the release notes.   If something can be show with a "before and
>> after" screen shot, include that.  This might be easier than waiting
>> until the end to prepare the release notes.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>  - Simon
>>>
>>>
>>
>>   Rob;
>>
>
> A Release Notes page already exists or 3.5 and one or 4.0 can be easily
> added. The complication I see here is since we have not decided whether
> the
> next release will be 3.5 or 4.0 that would require adding it in two
> places.
> I see that as a lot of overhead at this point.
>
>
>  IMHO, the name is not so important.  Everything in the trunk goes into
 the next release.  Nothing not in the trunk goes into the next
 release.  So if we want a wiki page that is called "Release notes for
 AOO Target January 2013" then it would be sufficient.  Just describe
 significant changes there made in the trunk.  Maybe in the end we call
 it "Apache OpenOffice 2013", or "Apache OpenOffice Adventitious
 Armadillo" or something like that.  That decision can come later.

 -Rob


  In that case lets use the existing 3.5 Release Notes as Armin has
>>> already
>>> put a number of entries in there the "name can be change to protect the
>>> innocent later".
>>>
>>>
>> +1 to use the existing 3.5 Release Notes wiki.
>>
>> And I just made a query in BZ, for defects fixed after 3.4 (May 8), and
>> excluded (1) some Products as qa, www, (2) those Target Milestone set to
>> 3.4.1, and (3) Issue Type not in (DEFECT, FEATURE, ENHANCEMENT). And I got
>> about 500 results. I picked some of them in the list and believe there are
>> still many items need to be taken out, e.g. those fixed 1 year ago, but
>> just validated recently. So I think I can quickly go through them, and for
>> those who are really fixed/implemented in trunk after 3.4 and not in
>> 3.4.1,
>> I will set the Target Milestone to AOO 3.5.0. And this list can be a base
>> for our release notes. How do you think?
>>
>> Another thing is that we need to define a test plan for the milestone
>> build, which can be a lightweight regression test suite. The plan can be
>> published on a wiki, and executed against very milestone build.
>> I agree with Juergen that we should start as early as possible. While I
>> still hope to get the confirmation from our QE team, since IMO they are
>> the
>> key to this plan. :)
>>
>> - Simon
>>
>>  Simon;
>
> Thank you for doing that. One question is the query public and if so where
> is it? My idea was not only to use it as a base for the release notes, but
> to also link to it from the release notes for those who are interested in a
> particular bug and also in place of listing every bug in the release notes
> that was fixed.
>

I created a query named TargetTo350AllFixed and shared it. Ideally it can
be the base for the release notes. But the problem is, as I mentioned
above, people didn't set this field correctly for all issues. Some fixes in
trunk didn't set the Target Milestone, and some issues last changed 1 years
ago are in the list (which is so strange, because there is even no AOO 1 at
that time...) So I need to go through the list, and correct this field.

I think we should force the input to this field when an issue is resolved.

- Simon



>
>>
>>
>>> Regards
>>> Keith
>>>
>> 
>
>
>

Re: WaE: sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx

2012-09-25 Thread chengjh

I will have a look..thanks.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Pavel Janík  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> the current build is almost WaE clean. Module sw contains this warning:
>
> sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx: In member function ‘void
> WW8_WrtBookmarks::MoveFieldMarks(sal_uLong, sal_uLong)’:
> sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx:315: warning: comparison between signed
> and unsigned integer expressions
>
> Please fix this.
>
> Thanks.
> --
> Pavel Janík
>
>
>
>


-- 

Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Peter Junge


Hi Andrew,

thanks a lot for the proposal. Great work!

What I would like to do is also including those who got 2 nominations, 
because I find some names there that certainly contribute a lot but are 
just not as visible as others.


As Dennis had proposed, I would also prefer to move on in 72 hour steps.

For everything else a big +1!

Thanks again,
Peter

On 9/26/2012 2:35 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:

I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.

  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
of several names.
  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
added to the list through a consensus process.
  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
the PMC to represent the project.

Proposed Process:

  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
(Tues-Wed)
  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
next Wed.)


Proposed Working List:

Andre Fischer (af)
Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
Andrew Rist (arist)
Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
Armin Le Grand (alg)
Dave Fisher (wave)
Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
Drew Jensen (atjensen)
Ian Lynch (ingotian)
Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
Kay Schenk (kschenk)
Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
Marcus Lange (marcus)
Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
Peter Junge (pj)
Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
Regina Henschel (regina)
RGB.ES (rgb-es)
Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)

Re: Some stats and observations on OpenOffice upgrades

KG01 - see comments inline

On Sep 26, 2012, at 7:25 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote:

> 
> 
> On 09/25/2012 12:06 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> I've been looking at the upgrade numbers, the downloads that are
>> triggered from upgrade notifications in the OpenOffice client.
>> Although we are not tracking how many times such notifications pop up
>> in the OpenOffice client we do know from Google Analytics how many
>> users click the link to get more information on the update, and how
>> many of these users actually download the upgrade.
>> 
>> The trends have been pretty steady, a slight peak when a release is
>> initially made, but a lingering steady state of upgrade requests even
>> several weeks later.
>> 
>> For example, let's look at the status for a single day, last
>> Wednesday, Sept. 19th.
>> 
>> On that date we had 164,752 total downloads of AOO.  Of those
>> downloads, it looks like 54% of them come from upgrading users.  The
>> remainder are either from new users, or existing users that went to
>> the website directly rather than from an upgrade notification.  (No
>> easy way of distinguishing these two).
>> 
>> The interesting thing is the breakdown by OpenOffice client version.
>> 
>> For the upgrade installs on Sept 19th we see:
>> 
>> 31% of upgrades were from AOO 3.4.0
>> 
>> 52% of upgrades were from OOo 3.3.0
>> 
>> 15% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.1
>> 
>> 3% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.0
>> 
>> Note the OOo 3.3.0 numbers.  Nearly 4 months after AOO 3.4 was
>> released we are still getting large numbers of OOo 3.3.0 users
>> receiving and responding to upgrade notifications, nearly 20,000/day.
>> 
>> I'm not sure how to explain this.  Upgrade notifications should
>> surface once a week.
>> 
>> Maybe:
>> 
>> A) Some users are sporadically connected to the internet and the
>> upgrade check rarely is successful
>> 
>> B) Some users ignore/defer the upgrade notifications until a later
>> time, in some cases months later
>> 
>> C) Some user run OpenOffice rarely, sometimes at an interval of several 
>> months
>> 
>> D) Someone, some web site, some organization, etc., is still
>> distributing OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 to users, and after they install
>> they get the AOO upgrade notification.
>> 
>> If D), this is somewhat a concern, since users running OOo 3.3.0 are
>> exposed to several security flaws.
> 
> You can also set the upgrade to "never check" and just do it manually.

KG01 - perhaps we could revisit the update notification experience to ensure 
that users are aware of an available update, but are free to download and 
install according to there preferred way. This might mitigate the risk of 
automatic updaters lack of visibility of a new release. 

AOO.next features, such as a start screen, or community side bar panel presents 
opportunities to surface such info. 

Oh, final thought. If we want people to be aware of the versions, we'll need to 
include information on their version number in the splash screen and other 
update views. 


> 
> Some may have set "never check" after the long period when there were no 
> upgrades, and they got tired of the start up lag time due to this situation.
> 
> So, maybe some of these older ones just got wind of a new version from 
> friends or whatever, and decided to see what would happen.
> 
> Anyway, this is interesting. But maybe not terribly surprising. We're likely 
> to see (at least) more 3.2.0 folks trickle in for a while.
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Rob
>> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> MzK
> 
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>-- George Carlin

Re: [DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Peter Junge


On 9/26/2012 3:20 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

My recommendation:

48-hour steps are too short.  Take at least 72 minimums, state fixed UTC earliest-end 
date-times (so no one has to figure out when "from now" is), and maybe skip 
over weekend days.

There's no rush.


+1




  - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Rist [mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:36
To: ooo-dev
Subject: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

[ ... ]

Proposed Process:

   * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
 (Tues-Wed)
   * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
 stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
   * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
 next Wed.)

[ ... ]

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Yong Lin Ma

Andrew,
Thanks a lot. This is a big progress.

But to me, the 3 is a magic number. Did we reach consesus with it?


I would suggest we develop a plan to discuss all the member who have
been nominated but not in current lis. This can be done before or
after initial PMC list be finalized.



On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
> OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.
>
>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>of several names.
>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>added to the list through a consensus process.
>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>the PMC to represent the project.
>
> Proposed Process:
>
>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>(Tues-Wed)
>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>next Wed.)
>
>
> Proposed Working List:
>
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>Dave Fisher (wave)
>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>Peter Junge (pj)
>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>Regina Henschel (regina)
>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>
>
>



-- 
Regards

Yong Lin Ma

Re: [REQUEST] Apache OpenOffice (incubating) - fund allocation for ACEU 2012

2012-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)

Hey Oliver,

On Sep 25, 2012, at 8:37 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> nice ping-pong communication :-)

Right back at ya ;) Final comments below!

> 
> On 25.09.2012 17:09, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>> 
>>> [..snip..]
>>> 
>> 
>> Yep! Thanks for the concrete description.
>> 
> 
> great.
> 
> Something which is not urgent and can be clarified later. It would be great 
> to have it at hand when the accepted application notifications are sent out:
> What kind of data for which payment type is needed?

Yep, the types of thing we typically need:

* If they are in the US and have a US bank we can pay from a Bank 
Account/Routing #
* If they are abroad, we can do an International Wire transfer
* If they want a wire transfer in the US, we can do that too
* We can probably do a "check payment", though I am not sure and Sam can 
confirm that

In addition to the above, name, address, phone would also probably be good 
things to
collect too.

Thanks!

Cheers,
Chris

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++

Re: [REQUEST] Apache OpenOffice (incubating) - fund allocation for ACEU 2012

2012-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)

Hey Oliver,

On Sep 25, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

> Hi Chris,
> 
> again Thanks for your feedback.

Same to you! Comments below:

>> [..snip..]
>> Well I think the point is that I need something to appear in Bills/received/ 
>> in order to pay something. So, IOW, RE:
>> travel grants and so forth, we can offer to use our money to reimburse 
>> things like airfare, or hotel, or, we probably
>> can figure out a way to simply send $$$ to someone, but we'd need payment 
>> information for them somehow that
>> would probably best fit into the workflow to show up in ./Bills/received 
>> (even if it's not a bill, and simply a "request
>> to pay"). That way the President can review it, approve it, and then I or 
>> Sam Ruby (Asst Treasurer) can pay it.
>> 
>> Make sense?
> 
> I am somehow believing that I know how the spending is working and what are 
> the preconditions and the needs. But I am not 100% sure.
> Thus, let me allow to present my concrete idea, which I have in mind:
> 
> When a certain travel expense subsidy application has been accepted, we will 
> ask the person to provide corresponding payment information to Treasurer@ 
> list.
> Treasurer@ list can receive confirmation from ooo-dev that the person's 
> application has been accepted for amount 300 EUR or 600 EUR. Thus, an entry 
> into the "received" folder can be created.

Sounds right.

> On the ApacheCon EU 2012 the person comes to a Treasurer@ or selected ooo-dev 
> representative to confirm that she/he is attending and that she/he has spent 
> certain travel expenses. Treasurer@ or selected ooo-dev rep. can then approve 
> the payment --> formerly created entry is moved from "received" folder to 
> "approved" folder.

Yep. Sounds good to me, and sounds like Ross as the EVP thinks this is fine 
too. You may want to add a CC to president@ and operations@ to keep
them in the loop in addition to sending to treasurer@.


> The Treasurer@ pays the 300 EUR resp. 600 EUR according to the payment 
> information --> entry is moved from "approved" to "paid".
> 

Yep that works.

> 
> Is something like this or similar working?

You got it!

> As far as I understood we need the following:
> - an accepted application ("full name" and "amount" from the granting 
> process) and payment information for an entry in "received".
> - confirmation that travel expenses are spent for ApacheCon EU 2012 to get 
> the entry into "approved".
> 
> Do I have the correct understanding?
> 

Yep! Thanks for the concrete description.

Cheers,
Chris

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++

Re: [REQUEST] Apache OpenOffice (incubating) - fund allocation for ACEU 2012

2012-09-25 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)

Hi Oliver,

Thanks! Comments below:

On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

> [..snip...]
>>> (1a) If not, do you have any recommendation how the money should be spent?
>>> 
>>> (2) What are the possibilities to spend the "travel expense subsidy" money?
>>> (2a) Do you have a recommendation how the money should be spent?
>> 
>> Regarding the above, I'd say come up with a process that is documented, you 
>> guys decide how
>> you want to spend it, come up with a Bill or someone to pay, provide that 
>> information
>> to the Treasurer@ list (me and Sam) and we'll move forward with the approval 
>> process.
>> 
>> Right now, our bills are paid by having someone with the appropriate karma 
>> put a file in:
>> 
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/received/
>> 
>> Then, they are reviewed by someone with the appropriate budget authority 
>> (e.g., in Travel I
>> believe that's Jim since he's the President) and then placed in:
>> 
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/approved/
>> 
>> At that point, the Treasurer's office can pay the bill (via wire transfer; 
>> electronic funds deposit, etc.)
>> provided that all the information is given to address the payee, and then 
>> once we pay, we
>> move the bill into:
>> 
>> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/paid/
> 
> I do not think that we will real bills that need to be paid as the granted 
> travel expense subsidy will in general cover only a part of the overall 
> travel expenses.
> Is it possible that the treasurer pay money based on the granting process and 
> a final confirmation note to the Treasurer@ list?

Well I think the point is that I need something to appear in Bills/received/ in 
order to pay something. So, IOW, RE: 
travel grants and so forth, we can offer to use our money to reimburse things 
like airfare, or hotel, or, we probably
can figure out a way to simply send $$$ to someone, but we'd need payment 
information for them somehow that
would probably best fit into the workflow to show up in ./Bills/received (even 
if it's not a bill, and simply a "request
to pay"). That way the President can review it, approve it, and then I or Sam 
Ruby (Asst Treasurer) can pay it.

Make sense?

> 
> Thanks in advance for your support.
> 

Anytime!

Cheers,
Chris

++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattm...@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++

Change of 'soffice' name

2012-09-25 Thread Alexandro Colorado

There has been issues in installing LibreOffice and OpenOffice
basically because they are derived from StarOffice, since the Oracle
transfer StarOffice no longer exist however OOo still have it's roots
on it's code and libraries.

Issues however when trying to have LibreOffice and OpenOffice has
causes clash between both soffice binaries on many of the Linux (and
other) distributions. One example is the menu service where OOo/LibO
hold the same XML definition.

I wonder if there are any plans on ever modifying this branding issue.

-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: Some stats and observations on OpenOffice upgrades




On 09/25/2012 12:06 PM, Rob Weir wrote:

I've been looking at the upgrade numbers, the downloads that are
triggered from upgrade notifications in the OpenOffice client.
Although we are not tracking how many times such notifications pop up
in the OpenOffice client we do know from Google Analytics how many
users click the link to get more information on the update, and how
many of these users actually download the upgrade.

The trends have been pretty steady, a slight peak when a release is
initially made, but a lingering steady state of upgrade requests even
several weeks later.

For example, let's look at the status for a single day, last
Wednesday, Sept. 19th.

On that date we had 164,752 total downloads of AOO.  Of those
downloads, it looks like 54% of them come from upgrading users.  The
remainder are either from new users, or existing users that went to
the website directly rather than from an upgrade notification.  (No
easy way of distinguishing these two).

The interesting thing is the breakdown by OpenOffice client version.

For the upgrade installs on Sept 19th we see:

31% of upgrades were from AOO 3.4.0

52% of upgrades were from OOo 3.3.0

15% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.1

3% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.0

Note the OOo 3.3.0 numbers.  Nearly 4 months after AOO 3.4 was
released we are still getting large numbers of OOo 3.3.0 users
receiving and responding to upgrade notifications, nearly 20,000/day.

I'm not sure how to explain this.  Upgrade notifications should
surface once a week.

Maybe:

A) Some users are sporadically connected to the internet and the
upgrade check rarely is successful

B) Some users ignore/defer the upgrade notifications until a later
time, in some cases months later

C) Some user run OpenOffice rarely, sometimes at an interval of several months

D) Someone, some web site, some organization, etc., is still
distributing OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 to users, and after they install
they get the AOO upgrade notification.

If D), this is somewhat a concern, since users running OOo 3.3.0 are
exposed to several security flaws.


You can also set the upgrade to "never check" and just do it manually.

Some may have set "never check" after the long period when there were no 
upgrades, and they got tired of the start up lag time due to this 
situation.


So, maybe some of these older ones just got wind of a new version from 
friends or whatever, and decided to see what would happen.


Anyway, this is interesting. But maybe not terribly surprising. We're 
likely to see (at least) more 3.2.0 folks trickle in for a while.







-Rob



--

MzK

"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
 doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

2012-09-25 Thread Dave Fisher


On Sep 25, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote:

> Should we have a webdev list?

We discussed using the tags [WWW] last year.

> 
> In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
> am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
> redesign start growing.

Generally everything should be here.

> 
> Some suggestions on the design of the site:
> - Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
> software with office productivity.

Perhaps we should setup an area in ooo-site where we can have a design contest. 
Let me think about how to do that technically using the CMS.

Kay - you should continue to with whatever efforts you have in mind with the 
main page. What I am thinking about is redesigning the headers and footers.

> - Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
> different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
> help our users browse through the site.

Sure. I think the best strategy might be to use a common set of css tags in 
device specific css files that can then be varied according to the dimensions 
of the browser.

> - Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
> theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
> templates/extension/wiki site.

The way the CMS works the templates used for the websites can be ported by the 
sysadmins and teams in the Forum and mWiki. cWiki is harder. I'm sure that SF 
can follow as well.

> - Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
> (from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.

Download the source, discuss any errors, make the changes - JFDI.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
 With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider
 a
 slight update to the user portal web site --
 http://www.openoffice.org/--
 for this momentous occasion.
 
 To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>>> updated
 robots.txt to not index this directory.
 
 I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>>> horizontal
 placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
 
 Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>>> mockups of
 ideas.
 
>>> 
>>> Good topic to bring up.
>>> 
>>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>>> www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project website, which
>>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our
>>> subversion tree changes as well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>> 
>>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>> 
>>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>>> disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
>>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>> 
>>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>>> references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search &
>>> replace operation.
>>> 
>>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI.  IMHO it is always a good
>>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>>> website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>> 
>>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>> 
>>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>> 
>>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>> 
>> 
>> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we graduate,
>> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
>> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>> 
>> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
>> of anything specified. h
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> -Rob
>>> 
 So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
 --
 
 MzK
 
 "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
 doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> MzK
>> 
>> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>>-- George Carlin
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

2012-09-25 Thread Alexandro Colorado

Should we have a webdev list?

In the past we did had dedicated list for each line of the project. I
am not sure this is something that should be discussed as the work on
redesign start growing.

Some suggestions on the design of the site:
- Show the product, currently there is nothing visual that relates the
software with office productivity.
- Responsive design, mobile browsers, tablets and devices can have
different dimensions on the site, having a RD conformant site could
help our users browse through the site.
- Corporate theme, ViewVC, cWiki, Forum(?), Bugzilla have their own
theme, should there be efforts to adopt the same design like the
templates/extension/wiki site.
- Website QA - Possible broken pages due to the change in frameworks
(from Oracle to Apache) on smaller projects.

On 9/25/12, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>> > With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider
>> > a
>> > slight update to the user portal web site --
>> > http://www.openoffice.org/--
>> > for this momentous occasion.
>> >
>> > To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
>> updated
>> > robots.txt to not index this directory.
>> >
>> > I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
>> horizontal
>> > placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>> >
>> > Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
>> mockups of
>> > ideas.
>> >
>>
>> Good topic to bring up.
>>
>> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
>> www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project website, which
>> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
>> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our
>> subversion tree changes as well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>>
>> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>>
>> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
>> disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
>> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>>
>> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
>> references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search &
>> replace operation.
>>
>> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI.  IMHO it is always a good
>> time to improve the website ;-)
>>
>>
>> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
>> website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
>> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>>
>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>>
>> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>>
>> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>>
>
> I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we graduate,
> and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
> incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.
>
> re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
> of anything specified. h
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>> > So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
>> > --
>> > 
>> > MzK
>> >
>> > "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>> >  doesn't mean the circus has left town."
>> > -- George Carlin
>>
>
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>  doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin
>


-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 09/25/2012 08:35 PM, schrieb Andrew Rist:

I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.

[...]


Thanks a lot for your effort to process the listed names. Looks like the 
diversity is given and a big step forward in direction of graduation.


Marcus

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

On 25 September 2012 22:34, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>
>> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
>> OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.
>>
>>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>>of several names.
>>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>>added to the list through a consensus process.
>>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>>the PMC to represent the project.
>>
>> Proposed Process:
>>
>>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>>(Tues-Wed)
>>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>>next Wed.)
>>
>
> +1 this process sounds fine to me...
>
>
>>
>>
>> Proposed Working List:
>>
>>Andre Fischer (af)
>>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>>Andrew Rist (arist)
>>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>>Dave Fisher (wave)
>>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>>Peter Junge (pj)
>>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>>Regina Henschel (regina)
>>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>  doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin

Great job Andrew +1

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Re: [RELEASE] 3.5, 4.0, fixpack, milestone build...

2012-09-25 Thread Keith N. McKenna


Shenfeng Liu wrote:

2012/9/24 Keith N. McKenna 


Rob Weir wrote:


On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:


Rob Weir wrote:



On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu 
wrote:







Maybe also start a "release notes" page on the wiki.  Whenever a new
feature or important bug fix is added to the trunk also add something
to the release notes.   If something can be show with a "before and
after" screen shot, include that.  This might be easier than waiting
until the end to prepare the release notes.

-Rob



- Simon




  Rob;


A Release Notes page already exists or 3.5 and one or 4.0 can be easily
added. The complication I see here is since we have not decided whether
the
next release will be 3.5 or 4.0 that would require adding it in two
places.
I see that as a lot of overhead at this point.



IMHO, the name is not so important.  Everything in the trunk goes into
the next release.  Nothing not in the trunk goes into the next
release.  So if we want a wiki page that is called "Release notes for
AOO Target January 2013" then it would be sufficient.  Just describe
significant changes there made in the trunk.  Maybe in the end we call
it "Apache OpenOffice 2013", or "Apache OpenOffice Adventitious
Armadillo" or something like that.  That decision can come later.

-Rob



In that case lets use the existing 3.5 Release Notes as Armin has already
put a number of entries in there the "name can be change to protect the
innocent later".



+1 to use the existing 3.5 Release Notes wiki.

And I just made a query in BZ, for defects fixed after 3.4 (May 8), and
excluded (1) some Products as qa, www, (2) those Target Milestone set to
3.4.1, and (3) Issue Type not in (DEFECT, FEATURE, ENHANCEMENT). And I got
about 500 results. I picked some of them in the list and believe there are
still many items need to be taken out, e.g. those fixed 1 year ago, but
just validated recently. So I think I can quickly go through them, and for
those who are really fixed/implemented in trunk after 3.4 and not in 3.4.1,
I will set the Target Milestone to AOO 3.5.0. And this list can be a base
for our release notes. How do you think?

Another thing is that we need to define a test plan for the milestone
build, which can be a lightweight regression test suite. The plan can be
published on a wiki, and executed against very milestone build.
I agree with Juergen that we should start as early as possible. While I
still hope to get the confirmation from our QE team, since IMO they are the
key to this plan. :)

- Simon


Simon;

Thank you for doing that. One question is the query public and if so 
where is it? My idea was not only to use it as a base for the release 
notes, but to also link to it from the release notes for those who are 
interested in a particular bug and also in place of listing every bug in 
the release notes that was fixed.





Regards
Keith

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:35 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:

> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
> OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.
>
>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>of several names.
>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>added to the list through a consensus process.
>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>the PMC to represent the project.
>
> Proposed Process:
>
>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>(Tues-Wed)
>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>next Wed.)
>

+1 this process sounds fine to me...


>
>
> Proposed Working List:
>
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>Dave Fisher (wave)
>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>Peter Junge (pj)
>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>Regina Henschel (regina)
>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>
>
>
>


-- 

MzK

"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
 doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> > With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider a
> > slight update to the user portal web site -- http://www.openoffice.org/--
> > for this momentous occasion.
> >
> > To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and
> updated
> > robots.txt to not index this directory.
> >
> > I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with
> horizontal
> > placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
> >
> > Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic
> mockups of
> > ideas.
> >
>
> Good topic to bring up.
>
> With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
> www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project website, which
> will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
> update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our
> subversion tree changes as well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.
>
> So that leads to several sets of website changes:
>
> 1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
> disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
> refreshing the logo design at this time as well.
>
> 2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
> references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search &
> replace operation.
>
> 3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI.  IMHO it is always a good
> time to improve the website ;-)
>
>
> I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
> website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
> OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/
>
> http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans
>
> To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)
>

I know we'll have quite a number of references to change after we graduate,
and I thought we were planning on using the area where we have the Apache
incubator icon for something else but I'd need to go look that up.

re: fonts --- I'll need to investigate this. I didn't realize we had much
of anything specified. h



> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> > So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
> > --
> > 
> > MzK
> >
> > "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
> >  doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> > -- George Carlin
>



-- 

MzK

"Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
 doesn't mean the circus has left town."
-- George Carlin

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Alexandro Colorado

On 9/25/12, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> Hi at all
>
> I think, we should also ask this people, if they are willing to
> contribute to the PMC. I find this realy important. A short statement
> from everyone on the list would be nice. Maybe also with a Comment if
> s/he is willing to take over a PMC Chair.

I think is important to document the process. (if this will be the
elegibility process from now on). And also understand the time period
to do the next elections which I am sure I remember read this in some
of the other threads. Congratulations for the PMC and also Andrew for
the effort he put on the process.

>
> Greetings Raphael
>
> Am 25.09.12 20:35, schrieb Andrew Rist:
>> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for
>> Apache OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a
>> final list.
>>
>>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>>of several names.
>>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>>added to the list through a consensus process.
>>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>>the PMC to represent the project.
>>
>> Proposed Process:
>>
>>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>>(Tues-Wed)
>>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>>next Wed.)
>>
>>
>> Proposed Working List:
>>
>>Andre Fischer (af)
>>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>>Andrew Rist (arist)
>>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>>Dave Fisher (wave)
>>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>>Peter Junge (pj)
>>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>>Regina Henschel (regina)
>>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org

Re: [RELEASE] 3.5, 4.0, fixpack, milestone build...

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:

> 2012/9/24 Keith N. McKenna 
>
> > Rob Weir wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Keith N. McKenna
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>
> 
>  On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu 
>  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi, all,
> > After 3.4.1, we are focusing on preparation of the community
> > graduation.
> > But I still want to remind us to take some time to think about our
> > future
> > releases.
> >
> > We have the discussion early about what 3.5 and 4.0 should look
> > like.
> > If
> > I remember correctly:
> > (1) 3.5 should be more about fidelity, reliability, performance and
> > translation, new platform support...
> > (2) While 4.0, in addition to the same focuses as 3.5, should also
> add
> > significant UX enhancements (e.g. sidebar, modern UI) and new values
> > (e.g.
> > Accessibility, social integration capability, enhanced installer, new
> > features...). If we make good progress on those items at the same
> time,
> > we
> > may consider to skip 3.5.
> > (3) There are also more requirements (e.g. fixpack mechanism,
> > simplifying
> > the build structure, OOMXL export, smartArt...) we need  to put into
> > our
> > backlog and consider their priority.
> >
> > Even we don't need to discuss the solid plan now, but there are
> > already a
> > lot of development activities on the trunk. So I think we need to
> keep
> > certain track on it. Though it may be too early to set a target date
> > for
> > the next release, but it is important for us to tell more about what
> we
> > think the next release should contain.
> >
> > So I'm suggesting the following:
> >
> > 1. Keep updating the current release planning wiki:
> >-
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> > AOO+3.5+Release+Planning<
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.5+Release+Planning
> >
> >-
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> > AOO+4.0+Release+Planning<
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Release+Planning
> >
> >  I know it is a little confusing for 2 places to input. But think
> > about
> > the scope we agreed above. You can input to the wiki that you think
> > your
> > work belong to. I personally will monitor both wiki pages.
> >
> > 2. Figure out a better way to manage our release backlog. e.g. set
> > Target
> > Milestone to 3.5 or 4.0 in Bugzilla for what we recommended.
> >
> > 3. Deliver milestone builds to harvest our development fruits. A
> > milestone
> > build is:
> >(a) a development snapshot that contains the
> > features/enhancements
> > that implemented till now;
> >(b) passed regression test to ensure no severe defects;
> >(c) announced on a development wiki;
> >(d) with documents on the wiki for the list of features and
> bug
> > fixes
> > in this milestone build (like a release notes).
> >  Since whatever 3.5 or 4.0 sounds to me like some thing in next
> > year
> > or
> > at least close to the end of this year, milestone builds can be light
> > weigh
> > on process to show our development progress, and give people a more
> > clear
> > view on how far are we to the next release.
> >
> > Looking forward every one's comments!
> >
> >
>  Maybe also start a "release notes" page on the wiki.  Whenever a new
>  feature or important bug fix is added to the trunk also add something
>  to the release notes.   If something can be show with a "before and
>  after" screen shot, include that.  This might be easier than waiting
>  until the end to prepare the release notes.
> 
>  -Rob
> 
> 
> > - Simon
> >
> 
> 
>   Rob;
> >>>
> >>> A Release Notes page already exists or 3.5 and one or 4.0 can be easily
> >>> added. The complication I see here is since we have not decided whether
> >>> the
> >>> next release will be 3.5 or 4.0 that would require adding it in two
> >>> places.
> >>> I see that as a lot of overhead at this point.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> IMHO, the name is not so important.  Everything in the trunk goes into
> >> the next release.  Nothing not in the trunk goes into the next
> >> release.  So if we want a wiki page that is called "Release notes for
> >> AOO Target January 2013" then it would be sufficient.  Just describe
> >> significant changes there made in the trunk.  Maybe in the end we call
> >> it "Apache OpenOffice 2013", or "Apache OpenOffice Adventitious
> >> Armadillo" or something like that.  That decision can come later.
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> > In that case lets use the existing 3

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread RGB ES

2012/9/25 Andrew Rist 

> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
> OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.
>
>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>of several names.
>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>added to the list through a consensus process.
>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>the PMC to represent the project.
>
> Proposed Process:
>
>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>(Tues-Wed)
>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>next Wed.)
>


+1 to all. Thanks Andrew for your work!

Regards
Ricardo



>
>
> Proposed Working List:
>
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>Dave Fisher (wave)
>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>Peter Junge (pj)
>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>Regina Henschel (regina)
>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>
>

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Dave Fisher

Hi Andrew,

Great coverage. I think that this is a good group to move OpenOffice forward. I 
am +1 on a vote now and don't really see my opinion changing. I'll read the 
thread regardless.

Well done!
Dave


On Sep 25, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:

> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache 
> OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.
> 
> * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>   nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>   produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
> * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>   interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>   of several names.
> * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>   the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>   given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>   missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>   added to the list through a consensus process.
> * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>   functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>   considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>   the PMC to represent the project.
> 
> Proposed Process:
> 
> * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>   (Tues-Wed)
> * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>   stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
> * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>   next Wed.)
> 
> 
> Proposed Working List:
> 
>   Andre Fischer (af)
>   Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>   Andrew Rist (arist)
>   Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>   Armin Le Grand (alg)
>   Dave Fisher (wave)
>   Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>   Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>   Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>   Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>   Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>   Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>   Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>   Marcus Lange (marcus)
>   Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>   Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>   Peter Junge (pj)
>   Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>   Regina Henschel (regina)
>   RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>   Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>   Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>   Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
> 
> 
>

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Andrea Pescetti


Andrew Rist wrote:

* The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
nominations. This was a spot in the data that had a step. This
produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.


I had a look at numbers just to put this in context and:
- The proposed 23 names would cover 90.47% (180/210) of the total 
nominations expressed by voters.
- With the proposed list, everyone who voted would see at least 7 of 
their 10 nominees in the PMC.


These numbers of course don't take into account several factors, but 
they may give a rough idea. Anyone can easily compute the same numbers 
for any possible list by using the ODS file.


Note that 
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/pmc/pmc-selection/PMCNominations.ods 
is missing a nomination (RGB nominated kschenk too): I noticed it while 
calculating the above statistics, so I considered it in my calculations 
but I didn't fix it in SVN.


Regards,
  Andrea.

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Christian Grobmeier

Personally I think this is a great approach and love to see it progress

Cheers
Christian

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
> OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.
>
>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>of several names.
>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>added to the list through a consensus process.
>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>the PMC to represent the project.
>
> Proposed Process:
>
>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>(Tues-Wed)
>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>next Wed.)
>
>
> Proposed Working List:
>
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>Dave Fisher (wave)
>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>Peter Junge (pj)
>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>Regina Henschel (regina)
>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>
>
>



-- 
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de

Some stats and observations on OpenOffice upgrades

I've been looking at the upgrade numbers, the downloads that are
triggered from upgrade notifications in the OpenOffice client.
Although we are not tracking how many times such notifications pop up
in the OpenOffice client we do know from Google Analytics how many
users click the link to get more information on the update, and how
many of these users actually download the upgrade.

The trends have been pretty steady, a slight peak when a release is
initially made, but a lingering steady state of upgrade requests even
several weeks later.

For example, let's look at the status for a single day, last
Wednesday, Sept. 19th.

On that date we had 164,752 total downloads of AOO.  Of those
downloads, it looks like 54% of them come from upgrading users.  The
remainder are either from new users, or existing users that went to
the website directly rather than from an upgrade notification.  (No
easy way of distinguishing these two).

The interesting thing is the breakdown by OpenOffice client version.

For the upgrade installs on Sept 19th we see:

31% of upgrades were from AOO 3.4.0

52% of upgrades were from OOo 3.3.0

15% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.1

3% of upgrades were from OOo 3.2.0

Note the OOo 3.3.0 numbers.  Nearly 4 months after AOO 3.4 was
released we are still getting large numbers of OOo 3.3.0 users
receiving and responding to upgrade notifications, nearly 20,000/day.

I'm not sure how to explain this.  Upgrade notifications should
surface once a week.

Maybe:

A) Some users are sporadically connected to the internet and the
upgrade check rarely is successful

B) Some users ignore/defer the upgrade notifications until a later
time, in some cases months later

C) Some user run OpenOffice rarely, sometimes at an interval of several months

D) Someone, some web site, some organization, etc., is still
distributing OpenOffice.org 3.3.0 to users, and after they install
they get the AOO upgrade notification.

If D), this is somewhat a concern, since users running OOo 3.3.0 are
exposed to several security flaws.


-Rob

Re: [DISCUSS][WWW] maybe time for a home page facelift?

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> With our graduation coming up soon, it might be time for us to consider a
> slight update to the user portal web site -- http://www.openoffice.org/ --
> for this momentous occasion.
>
> To this end, I've moved some entities to the "test" directory, and updated
> robots.txt to not index this directory.
>
> I've wanted to fix some of the styling for a while to deal with horizontal
> placement issues, but I'm sure some of you have some ideas as well.
>
> Maybe a wiki page would be a good idea as well to present graphic mockups of
> ideas.
>

Good topic to bring up.

With graduation we'll have to think about changes to two websites.
www.openoffice.org, of course.  But also our project website, which
will end up at openoffice.apache.org. The mailing lists will also
update, e.g., ooo-dev@i.a.o --> d...@openoffice.apache.org.  Our
subversion tree changes as well.  Ditto for Apache dist directory.

So that leads to several sets of website changes:

1) Any rebranding we need/want to do, e.g. remove "incubator"
disclaimer and references.  There was talk at one point about
refreshing the logo design at this time as well.

2) Updating URL's, email list address, SVN and dist directory
references.  There may be others.  This is pretty much a search &
replace operation.

3) Any work to "freshen" the website UI.  IMHO it is always a good
time to improve the website ;-)

I wonder if it would be a good time to rethink the default font on the
website.  Look at our plain text versus Mozilla's website, which uses
OpenSans (Apache 2.0 License):

http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/

http://www.google.com/webfonts/specimen/Open+Sans

To me this is much more legible than our current font (Liberation?)

Regards,

-Rob

> So...get your creative juices flowing and let's see what we can do.
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "Just 'cause you got the monkey off your back
>  doesn't mean the circus has left town."
> -- George Carlin

[DISCUSS][PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton

My recommendation:

48-hour steps are too short.  Take at least 72 minimums, state fixed UTC 
earliest-end date-times (so no one has to figure out when "from now" is), and 
maybe skip over weekend days.

There's no rush.

 - Dennis

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Rist [mailto:andrew.r...@oracle.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 11:36
To: ooo-dev
Subject: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

[ ... ]

Proposed Process:

  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
(Tues-Wed)
  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
next Wed.)

[ ... ]

Re: OpenOffice 3.4.1

2012-09-25 Thread Marcus (OOo)


Am 09/25/2012 02:07 AM, schrieb Errol Raymond:

I am new to OpenOffice, and want to install the new version. I
currently have a imac-g5 ppc, and it is not supported on my
architecture. Is there anyway to get around this issue?


Currently we don't offer any builds for MacOS X on the PPC platform as 
it was the case with OOo 3.3.0 and older releases. And to be honest, I 
don't think that we will do it with newer releases. This platform is - 
from the today's point of view - too old and we have nobody here in the 
project that would support it. To support it means taking the source 
code, building the installable files, do detailed QA tests to verify its 
stability.



I would like to effectively install, and contribute to OpenOffice.


Finally, I can just offer you the most recent OOo legacy release (3.3.0 
and older) for the PPC platform and hope it's available for your 
favorite language:


http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/other.html

HTH

Marcus

Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Raphael Bircher

Hi at all

I think, we should also ask this people, if they are willing to
contribute to the PMC. I find this realy important. A short statement
from everyone on the list would be nice. Maybe also with a Comment if
s/he is willing to take over a PMC Chair.

Greetings Raphael

Am 25.09.12 20:35, schrieb Andrew Rist:
> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for
> Apache OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a
> final list.
>
>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>of several names.
>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>added to the list through a consensus process.
>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>the PMC to represent the project.
>
> Proposed Process:
>
>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>(Tues-Wed)
>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>next Wed.)
>
>
> Proposed Working List:
>
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>Dave Fisher (wave)
>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>Peter Junge (pj)
>Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>Regina Henschel (regina)
>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>
>
>

[Call for review] improvements for linear/axial gradients #120604 and #120957

2012-09-25 Thread Regina Henschel


Hi all,

I have attached patches to 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120957 and 
https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120604


They change the blending so, that first color is start color, last color 
is end color and they set the number of steps to 2 *  in 
case of style 'axial', as discussed here some time ago.


My coding skills are not professional and the Draw module is confusing, 
so please have a look.


Kind regards
Regina

[PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

2012-09-25 Thread Andrew Rist

I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache 
OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.


 * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
   nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
   produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
 * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
   interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
   of several names.
 * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
   the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
   given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
   missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
   added to the list through a consensus process.
 * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
   functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
   considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
   the PMC to represent the project.

Proposed Process:

 * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
   (Tues-Wed)
 * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
   stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
 * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
   next Wed.)


Proposed Working List:

   Andre Fischer (af)
   Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
   Andrew Rist (arist)
   Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
   Armin Le Grand (alg)
   Dave Fisher (wave)
   Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
   Drew Jensen (atjensen)
   Ian Lynch (ingotian)
   Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
   Kay Schenk (kschenk)
   Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
   Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
   Marcus Lange (marcus)
   Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
   Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
   Peter Junge (pj)
   Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
   Regina Henschel (regina)
   RGB.ES (rgb-es)
   Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
   Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
   Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)

Re: Openoffice.org

2012-09-25 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

Hello Edward,

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 01:26:48PM -0400, Edward Morrow wrote:
> I have had Open Office on my computer for over five years and I would like
> to say : your source code really sucks since you let Apache take over.

I'm really sorry you are having troubles. On the other hand, I'm happy
you could read the code, it's rather huge and complicated :)

> I haven't been able to use Open Office since they put their name on the
> product because IT KEEPS CRASHING EVERY TIME I TRY TO DO ANYTHING AND I
> MEAN ANY THING WITH THE PROGRAM.

It seems you are facing the issue described in the release notes:
http://www.openoffice.org/development/releases/3.4.1.html#AOO3.4.1ReleaseNotes-KnownIssues

Apache OpenOffice 3.4.0 and 3.4.1 manage the user profile differently
than previous versions. The old user profile is automatically converted
so that users can keep their extensions and settings. In a minority of
cases, especially with highly customized profiles (many extensions or
customizations) the conversion doesn't succeed, Common symptoms are.
frequent application crashes, problems with dictionaries or thesaurus,
OpenOffice starting and crashing after a few seconds. To solve this,
just reset/rename your user profile as explained in the official
OpenOffice forum.
http://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12426

Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

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Re: Openoffice.org

2012-09-25 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Edward Morrow wrote:

> IT KEEPS CRASHING EVERY TIME I TRY TO DO ANYTHING AND I
> MEAN ANY THING WITH THE PROGRAM.
>

First please fix your keyboard. It seems the caps lock key is stuck. ;)
Second, your post is as useful as going to a mechanic and saying "this car
is broken", and not providing any additional detals.

Please tell us what is the error message that you are getting and when do
the crashes happen, while loading files, when saving, while working with a
document? Is there any error message displayed after the crash? what does
it say?

What is your operating system (Windows XP, Windows Vista, Win7, ? Linux?
Mac OS X?).

With that information someone will be able to help you...

FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell

WaE: sd/source/ui/slideshow/slideshowimpl.cxx

2012-09-25 Thread Pavel Janík

Hi,

this code emits Warning about unused bLoad:

bool bLoad = vcl::ImageRepository::loadBrandingImage(
  rtl::OUString( RTL_CONSTASCII_USTRINGPARAM( "logo" ) ),
 aImage );
OSL_ENSURE( bLoad, "Can't load logo image");

Can't we OSL_ENSURE that aImage is initialized properly instead?
-- 
Pavel Janík

Draft Blog Post: Use the Source, Luke

https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=use_the_source_luke

Could use the usual proof reading.

Also, specific requests:

1) Anyone have a recent KLOC estimate for the source code?

2) Any other recent non-end-user product uses that we should highlight?

-Rob

WaE: sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx

2012-09-25 Thread Pavel Janík

Hi,

the current build is almost WaE clean. Module sw contains this warning:

sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx: In member function ‘void 
WW8_WrtBookmarks::MoveFieldMarks(sal_uLong, sal_uLong)’:
sw/source/filter/ww8/wrtww8.cxx:315: warning: comparison between signed and 
unsigned integer expressions

Please fix this.

Thanks.
-- 
Pavel Janík

[PMC] PMC List Result

2012-09-25 Thread Andrew Rist



I have collected up all the feedback and will summarize here.  I will 
send a follow on email with some proposals for the next step. I think 
this exercise was quite useful and will help identify the way forward.


 * I have checked in my spreadsheet compiling all the lists to
   
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/pmc/pmc-selection/PMCNominations.ods
   - and pasted below
 * A total of 36 people were identified on at least one list
 * A total of 23 people made more than 3 lists.
 * Because this list seems pretty representative of the project, it
   also represents the diversity of the project - in terms of
   geographic distribution, project function distribution, skill set
   distribution (and gender, also)


Here is the table - don't know if the text email format will munge the 
formatting:





	arist 	pfg 	kschenk 	khirano 	jsc 	orw 	robweir 	rgb-es 	regina 
marcus 	mayongl 	pj 	ingotian 	pescetti 	thegurkha 	louis 	zhangjf 
wolfhalton 	arielch 	wave 	jza

Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)17  
1   
1   1   
1   1   1   1   

1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   
1
Pedro Giffuni (pfg) 16  
1   
1   1   
1   
1   
1   1   1   
1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1
Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)  15  
1   
1   1   1   1   1   1   1   1   

1   


1   1   1   1   1
Drew Jensen (atjensen)  12  
1   
1   


1   1   
1   1   

1   1   1   1   1   

1
Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch) 11  

1   1   
1   1   1   1   1   1   
1   
1   




1   
Donald Harbison (dpharbison)11  




1   1   


1   1   1   1   
1   1   1   1   
1   
RGB.ES (rgb-es) 11  
1   
1   


1   

1   1   1   
1   1   1   

1   
1
Andrew Rist (arist) 9   

1   1   1   


1   


1   1   



1   
1   1
Dave Fisher (wave)  7   




1   
1   


1   


1   1   
1   1   

Kay Schenk (kschenk)7   
1   



1   1   
1   



1   

1   
1   

Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)7   
1   
1   


1   1   
1   




1   


1   
Regina Henschel (regina)7   

1   

1   

1   




1   
1   1   
1   

Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)   7   




1   

1   1   1   


1   



1   1   
Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)7   
1   






1   1   1   1   




1   

1
Andre Fischer (af)  6   
1   
1   1   
1   

1   


1   







Kazunari Hirano (khirano)   6   










1   1   1   

1   


1   1
Peter Junge (pj)6   

1   
1   





1   
1   
1   

1   


Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)  5   

1   







1   
1   

1   1   



Marcus Lange (marcus)   5

Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system

2012-09-25 Thread Andrew Rist



On 9/25/2012 3:56 AM, Andre Fischer wrote:

On 24.09.2012 18:31, Andrew Rist wrote:


On 9/24/2012 4:39 AM, Andre wrote:

On 09/19/2012 09:58 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hi Andrew;


- Original Message -
...
I have been provided patches necessary to apply the following 
CWSes to AOO

trunk:

ause131
ause130
writerfilter10
gnumake4
sd2gbuild

As I understand it this is mostly gbuild stuff that we did not 
want to apply to

3.4.x as it might destabilize the build.
This was provided to me by Michael Stahl, and represents work done 
by Oracle

emps when OOo was still at Oracle.

Is there any resistance from checking in these patches? If I don't 
hear any
opposition in 72 hours and the patches cleanly apply on my dev 
area, I will

check in these changes.
Not an objection at this point but this is likely to break 
transitorily

the FreeBSD port.

It would be helpful to see the patches before they are applied.


Any news?  (I just came back from my vacation)


I put the patch up at
http://people.apache.org/~arist/patches/ooo-gbuild-cws-patches.tar.gz


Thanks.   Do you know whether these patches can be applied without 
further changes?


I just looked at some of the patch files and found some new files that 
introduce the old Oracle/GPL license header.  At least this had to be 
changed.
And thus why I am involved - I expect to check in, followed by header 
update.

A.


-Andre




A.



Andre



Pedro.

[code][cft] Raptor update

2012-09-25 Thread Pedro Giffuni

Hello;

I spent some time updating Raptor1 which was badly
outdated and this new patch should work well on
all platforms:

https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=121083


FWIW, adapting newer versions of the redland support
to use the AOO buildsystem is rather painful so I think
this is the best we can do for a while.

I don't really use the code though (FreeBSD uses
Raptor2 already) but Windows and Mac users should
benefit from the bugfixes.

I think it's safe but I won't commit this. Hopefully someone
else will take over.

enjoy,

Pedro.

Re: [REQUEST] Apache OpenOffice (incubating) - fund allocation for ACEU 2012

Hi Chris,

nice ping-pong communication :-)

On 25.09.2012 17:09, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:

Hey Oliver,

On Sep 25, 2012, at 8:02 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi Chris,

again Thanks for your feedback.

Same to you! Comments below:

[..snip..]
Well I think the point is that I need something to appear in Bills/received/ in
order to pay something. So, IOW, RE:
travel grants and so forth, we can offer to use our money to reimburse things
like airfare, or hotel, or, we probably
can figure out a way to simply send $$$ to someone, but we'd need payment
information for them somehow that
would probably best fit into the workflow to show up in ./Bills/received (even if
it's not a bill, and simply a "request
to pay"). That way the President can review it, approve it, and then I or Sam
Ruby (Asst Treasurer) can pay it.

Make sense?

I am somehow believing that I know how the spending is working and what are the
preconditions and the needs. But I am not 100% sure.
Thus, let me allow to present my concrete idea, which I have in mind:

When a certain travel expense subsidy application has been accepted, we will
ask the person to provide corresponding payment information to Treasurer@ list.
Treasurer@ list can receive confirmation from ooo-dev that the person's application has
been accepted for amount 300 EUR or 600 EUR. Thus, an entry into the "received"
folder can be created.

Sounds right.

On the ApacheCon EU 2012 the person comes to a Treasurer@ or selected ooo-dev representative to
confirm that she/he is attending and that she/he has spent certain travel expenses. Treasurer@ or
selected ooo-dev rep. can then approve the payment --> formerly created entry is moved from
"received" folder to "approved" folder.

Yep. Sounds good to me, and sounds like Ross as the EVP thinks this is fine
too. You may want to add a CC to president@ and operations@ to keep
them in the loop in addition to sending to treasurer@.

The Treasurer@ pays the 300 EUR resp. 600 EUR according to the payment information --> entry is
moved from "approved" to "paid".

Yep that works.

Is something like this or similar working?

You got it!

As far as I understood we need the following:
- an accepted application ("full name" and "amount" from the granting process) and
payment information for an entry in "received".
- confirmation that travel expenses are spent for ApacheCon EU 2012 to get the entry into
"approved".

Do I have the correct understanding?

Yep! Thanks for the concrete description.

great.

Something which is not urgent and can be clarified later. It would be great to
have it at hand when the accepted application notifications are sent out:

What kind of data for which payment type is needed?

Thanks and best regards, Oliver.

Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system

2012-09-25 Thread Pedro Giffuni

+1

Specially since this code is orphaned and no one will be
taking responsibility for fixing breakage.



>
> From: Ariel Constenla-Haile 
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2012 8:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system
> 
>Hi *,
>
>On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:56:32PM +0200, Andre Fischer wrote:
>> >I put the patch up at
>> >http://people.apache.org/~arist/patches/ooo-gbuild-cws-patches.tar.gz
>> 
>> Thanks.   Do you know whether these patches can be applied without
>> further changes?
>> 
>> I just looked at some of the patch files and found some new files that
>> introduce the old Oracle/GPL license header.  At least this had to be
>> changed.
>
>At this point, wouldn't it be simpler if we create a branch, and Andrew,
>as Oracle representative, commits the patches? Then, everyone willing to
>contribute to include the code on trunk, can check it out and help
>fixing things on the platform they work.
>
>
>Regards
>-- 
>Ariel Constenla-Haile
>La Plata, Argentina
>
>
>

Re: Fw: [Plugtest-org] Invitation for the Berlin 2012 plugfest


Hi,

On 24.09.2012 21:24, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote:

Forwarded with the permission of the author, inviting members of the AOO
community to attend this worthy event.



A similar presentation to the one which I had submitted together with Svante 
Schubert for the ApacheCon EU 2012 will be given at this ODF Plugfest. Please 
see [1] for the complete program.

Unfortunately, I will not attend in person due to a my vacation with my family.

[1] http://plugfest.opendocsociety.org/doku.php?id=plugfests:201210_berlin:info


Best regards, Oliver.


Regards,

-Rob

- Forwarded by Robert Weir/Cambridge/IBM on 09/24/2012 03:20 PM -

From:   Michiel Leenaars 
To: ODF Plugfest mailinglist ,
Cc: plugtest-organis...@opendocsociety.org
Date:   09/21/2012 08:45 AM
Subject:[Plugtest-org] Invitation for the Berlin 2012 plugfest
Sent by:plugtest-organisers-boun...@opendocsociety.org



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I have the pleasure to invite you on behalf of OpenDoc Society to
participate in the 9th ODF Plugfest, a two day interoperability event
on October 17th/18th 2012 kindly hosted by Bundesmin. fuer Wirtschaft
und Technologie. The event is held in conjunction with the annual
LibreOffice Conference, also to be held in Berlin at the same venue.

The ODF plugfests are a platform where different stakeholders around
Open Document Format join together to combine their knowledge and
technical experience on the details of ODF to improve product,
interoperability and in the end, customer satisfaction. Previous
plugfests have proven to be a useful instrument for vendors to
evaluate the interoperability between each others product in a
private setting.

On the first day a series of presentations will update you on the
status of ODF, present some new R&D projects and highlight
improvements and lessons learned in a number of implementations. On
the second day the actual testing will take place with vendors and
users going through several scenarios for creating and importing ODF
documents. Sitting side by side, the compatibility of documents
between applications in these scenario's can be easily checked and
openly discussed in the privacy of the workshop.

It is essential to have all stakeholders with an interest in ODF
engaged in furthering the implementation of ODF. We hope that you will
send a delegation or attend as a person, as well as participate
directly in the process.Past experience has shown developers and
technical management from larger and smaller vendors as well as
community leaders have valued the chance to attend and work on real
world interoperability.

The meeting host kindly asks you to register at http://odfplugfest.org
no later than October 8th, 2012, with your name and address. They
apologize for the inconvenience, which is due to security regulations
in ministry buildings. There is no fee required to participate in the
ODF plugfest, courtesy of OpenDoc Society. When you register, please
be so kind as to inform us in the comments in case you are registering
for the LibreOffice conference as well. This will help us to avoid
double registrations.

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more attractive, please contact OpenDoc Society for more details
(i...@opendocsociety.org). If you yourself are not able to attend this
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provide assistance with a visa application. Please visit:
http://odfplugfest.org or contact:

plugtest-organis...@opendocsociety.org

We hope to see you in Berlin!

Regards,

on behalf of the plugfest organisers
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OpenDoc Society

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Re: What is a good Project Management Committee?

On 9/25/12 4:39 PM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> The Apache Way came up on the PMC list thread. Is the Apache Way
> exclusively about certain types of merit and not about any other
> factor or attribute? It seems from what mentors have written that
> community is a big part of the Apache Way and merit in building the
> community is important as well as the characteristics needed to
> sustain a strong community. The acknowledged problem with merit is
> that it is difficult to be sure how to measure it, it seems to be more
> a consensus thing. If two community members have similar merit and
> there is only one place on the PMC, what determines which one is
> chosen? We can't determine merit to a high degree of measured
> precision. It is a strawman argument to say someone will be included
> on the PMC without merit, that has never been a consideration. If we
> assume all members of the PMC have appropriate merit, other
> considerations will come into play and it seems to me that that has no
> conflict with the Apache Way.
> 

I think that is clear to most people here and of course community
building is an important part in an open source project. Not only at
Apache and of course it is not really new. And I think we welcome
anybody who will concentrate on this only and will help to grow our
community. And we will welcome any kind of contribution in this area
independent if it is a one time shot or a continuous and ongoing effort.
And the really important part is how to recognize this contributions
which is the challenge in any community. We learned at Apache that
everything happened on the mailing list or didn't happened at all. Mmmh,
very strange I think and from my perspective not always possible. But I
believe that it is possible to wrap up any kind of action, contribution,
activity that goes in community building or whatever on this mailing
list that is the central place in our project according the Apache way.

I expect that if we don't recognize this kind of contribution that
people make us aware of it. We can't see anything, especially not when
it is not reported or communicated here on the list by whomsoever. This
is no failure as long as we take the appropriate actions afterwards.

And I believe we don't have a limited count of seats (or places if you
want to name it this way) in our PMC. If somebody merits the membership
I hope we will recognize it over time. We are for sure not perfect yet
and will never be but I am sure that we will learn and grow over time.

Juergen

Re: [REQUEST] Apache OpenOffice (incubating) - fund allocation for ACEU 2012


Hi Chris,

again Thanks for your feedback.

On 25.09.2012 16:18, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:

Hi Oliver,

Thanks! Comments below:

On Sep 25, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:


[..snip...]

(1a) If not, do you have any recommendation how the money should be spent?

(2) What are the possibilities to spend the "travel expense subsidy" money?
(2a) Do you have a recommendation how the money should be spent?


Regarding the above, I'd say come up with a process that is documented, you 
guys decide how
you want to spend it, come up with a Bill or someone to pay, provide that 
information
to the Treasurer@ list (me and Sam) and we'll move forward with the approval 
process.

Right now, our bills are paid by having someone with the appropriate karma put 
a file in:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/received/

Then, they are reviewed by someone with the appropriate budget authority (e.g., 
in Travel I
believe that's Jim since he's the President) and then placed in:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/approved/

At that point, the Treasurer's office can pay the bill (via wire transfer; 
electronic funds deposit, etc.)
provided that all the information is given to address the payee, and then once 
we pay, we
move the bill into:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/paid/


I do not think that we will real bills that need to be paid as the granted 
travel expense subsidy will in general cover only a part of the overall travel 
expenses.
Is it possible that the treasurer pay money based on the granting process and a 
final confirmation note to the Treasurer@ list?


Well I think the point is that I need something to appear in Bills/received/ in 
order to pay something. So, IOW, RE:
travel grants and so forth, we can offer to use our money to reimburse things 
like airfare, or hotel, or, we probably
can figure out a way to simply send $$$ to someone, but we'd need payment 
information for them somehow that
would probably best fit into the workflow to show up in ./Bills/received (even if 
it's not a bill, and simply a "request
to pay"). That way the President can review it, approve it, and then I or Sam 
Ruby (Asst Treasurer) can pay it.

Make sense?


I am somehow believing that I know how the spending is working and what are the 
preconditions and the needs. But I am not 100% sure.

Thus, let me allow to present my concrete idea, which I have in mind:

When a certain travel expense subsidy application has been accepted, we will ask 
the person to provide corresponding payment information to Treasurer@ list.
Treasurer@ list can receive confirmation from ooo-dev that the person's 
application has been accepted for amount 300 EUR or 600 EUR. Thus, an entry into 
the "received" folder can be created.
On the ApacheCon EU 2012 the person comes to a Treasurer@ or selected ooo-dev 
representative to confirm that she/he is attending and that she/he has spent 
certain travel expenses. Treasurer@ or selected ooo-dev rep. can then approve 
the payment --> formerly created entry is moved from "received" folder to 
"approved" folder.
The Treasurer@ pays the 300 EUR resp. 600 EUR according to the payment 
information --> entry is moved from "approved" to "paid".



Is something like this or similar working?
As far as I understood we need the following:
- an accepted application ("full name" and "amount" from the granting process) 
and payment information for an entry in "received".
- confirmation that travel expenses are spent for ApacheCon EU 2012 to get the 
entry into "approved".


Do I have the correct understanding?



Best regards, Oliver.

Re: What is a good Project Management Committee?

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> The Apache Way came up on the PMC list thread. Is the Apache Way
> exclusively about certain types of merit and not about any other
> factor or attribute? It seems from what mentors have written that
> community is a big part of the Apache Way and merit in building the
> community is important as well as the characteristics needed to
> sustain a strong community. The acknowledged problem with merit is
> that it is difficult to be sure how to measure it, it seems to be more
> a consensus thing. If two community members have similar merit and
> there is only one place on the PMC, what determines which one is

That is a problem with a representational system.  Who do you pick in that case?

My point is that this is not a real problem once we put aside the
(IMHO) incorrect view that a PMC is allocated on a representational
basis.  If you have two community members with similar merit, then
both should be on the PMC.  No question about it.  IMHO we should
reject the notion that there are finite seats on the PMC and we need
to allocate them on a representational basis.  We can never have
enough help, enough merit, enough volunteers.  Or at least we're no
where near the scale where we need to think about PMC size limits.  My
guess is we'd be encouraged to split into separate Apache projects
before we would be encouraged to limit PMC membership based on size
limitations.

Finally, note that what Andrew is doing in this thread is *not*
limiting the size of the PMC.  It was seeding an initial list of PMC
members, so that that initial membership can then evolve the PMC
membership further.  At least that is how I understood it.  Start with
those of undoubted merit.  Then that group can deliberate and bring in
anyone who was missed.  And no doubt we did miss some, since the quiet
contributor tends to be overlooked.  But I'd fully expect that this
initial PMC list, via Andrew's method, would deal with that before a
roster is proposed for graduation.

-Rob

> chosen? We can't determine merit to a high degree of measured
> precision. It is a strawman argument to say someone will be included
> on the PMC without merit, that has never been a consideration. If we
> assume all members of the PMC have appropriate merit, other
> considerations will come into play and it seems to me that that has no
> conflict with the Apache Way.
> --
> Ian
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Re: [RELEASE] 3.5, 4.0, fixpack, milestone build...

2012/9/24 Keith N. McKenna 

> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Keith N. McKenna
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Rob Weir wrote:
>>>

 On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Shenfeng Liu 
 wrote:

>
> Hi, all,
> After 3.4.1, we are focusing on preparation of the community
> graduation.
> But I still want to remind us to take some time to think about our
> future
> releases.
>
> We have the discussion early about what 3.5 and 4.0 should look
> like.
> If
> I remember correctly:
> (1) 3.5 should be more about fidelity, reliability, performance and
> translation, new platform support...
> (2) While 4.0, in addition to the same focuses as 3.5, should also add
> significant UX enhancements (e.g. sidebar, modern UI) and new values
> (e.g.
> Accessibility, social integration capability, enhanced installer, new
> features...). If we make good progress on those items at the same time,
> we
> may consider to skip 3.5.
> (3) There are also more requirements (e.g. fixpack mechanism,
> simplifying
> the build structure, OOMXL export, smartArt...) we need  to put into
> our
> backlog and consider their priority.
>
> Even we don't need to discuss the solid plan now, but there are
> already a
> lot of development activities on the trunk. So I think we need to keep
> certain track on it. Though it may be too early to set a target date
> for
> the next release, but it is important for us to tell more about what we
> think the next release should contain.
>
> So I'm suggesting the following:
>
> 1. Keep updating the current release planning wiki:
>-
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> AOO+3.5+Release+Planning
>-
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**
> AOO+4.0+Release+Planning
>  I know it is a little confusing for 2 places to input. But think
> about
> the scope we agreed above. You can input to the wiki that you think
> your
> work belong to. I personally will monitor both wiki pages.
>
> 2. Figure out a better way to manage our release backlog. e.g. set
> Target
> Milestone to 3.5 or 4.0 in Bugzilla for what we recommended.
>
> 3. Deliver milestone builds to harvest our development fruits. A
> milestone
> build is:
>(a) a development snapshot that contains the
> features/enhancements
> that implemented till now;
>(b) passed regression test to ensure no severe defects;
>(c) announced on a development wiki;
>(d) with documents on the wiki for the list of features and bug
> fixes
> in this milestone build (like a release notes).
>  Since whatever 3.5 or 4.0 sounds to me like some thing in next
> year
> or
> at least close to the end of this year, milestone builds can be light
> weigh
> on process to show our development progress, and give people a more
> clear
> view on how far are we to the next release.
>
> Looking forward every one's comments!
>
>
 Maybe also start a "release notes" page on the wiki.  Whenever a new
 feature or important bug fix is added to the trunk also add something
 to the release notes.   If something can be show with a "before and
 after" screen shot, include that.  This might be easier than waiting
 until the end to prepare the release notes.

 -Rob


> - Simon
>


  Rob;
>>>
>>> A Release Notes page already exists or 3.5 and one or 4.0 can be easily
>>> added. The complication I see here is since we have not decided whether
>>> the
>>> next release will be 3.5 or 4.0 that would require adding it in two
>>> places.
>>> I see that as a lot of overhead at this point.
>>>
>>>
>> IMHO, the name is not so important.  Everything in the trunk goes into
>> the next release.  Nothing not in the trunk goes into the next
>> release.  So if we want a wiki page that is called "Release notes for
>> AOO Target January 2013" then it would be sufficient.  Just describe
>> significant changes there made in the trunk.  Maybe in the end we call
>> it "Apache OpenOffice 2013", or "Apache OpenOffice Adventitious
>> Armadillo" or something like that.  That decision can come later.
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
> In that case lets use the existing 3.5 Release Notes as Armin has already
> put a number of entries in there the "name can be change to protect the
> innocent later".
>

+1 to use the existing 3.5 Release Notes wiki.

And I just made a query in BZ, for defects fixed after 3.4 (May 8), and
excluded (1) some Products as qa, www, (2) those Target Milestone set to
3.4

Re: What is a good Project Management Committee?

The Apache Way came up on the PMC list thread. Is the Apache Way
exclusively about certain types of merit and not about any other
factor or attribute? It seems from what mentors have written that
community is a big part of the Apache Way and merit in building the
community is important as well as the characteristics needed to
sustain a strong community. The acknowledged problem with merit is
that it is difficult to be sure how to measure it, it seems to be more
a consensus thing. If two community members have similar merit and
there is only one place on the PMC, what determines which one is
chosen? We can't determine merit to a high degree of measured
precision. It is a strawman argument to say someone will be included
on the PMC without merit, that has never been a consideration. If we
assume all members of the PMC have appropriate merit, other
considerations will come into play and it seems to me that that has no
conflict with the Apache Way.
-- 
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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

2012/9/25 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 9/25/12 3:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future.  A big
> >>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0.  That once seemed so very far away, but
> >>> 2013 is getting closer every day.   Will it be a large collection of
> >>> small ideas?  Will it have a major overarching theme?  Or will it just
> >>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >>> release 4.0?   The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >>> members/volunteers decide to do.   It is a good time now, as a
> >>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>>
> >>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >>> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>>
> >>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> >>> rate the ideas of others.   Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >>> outside-of-the-box.  We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>>
> >>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >>> to rate and comment on it.
> >>>
> >>
> >> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now.  So far, so good.
> >>  The latest stats are:
> >>
> >> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> >>
> >
> > Today, a week later:  633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> >
> > So we are still getting a good amount of feedback.  I added a mention
> > of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header.  That
> > should give this even more visibility.
> >
> > I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> > can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> > help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> >
> > Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
> >
> > At that point we can:
> >
> > 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> > accepting new suggestions.  Point the users to the ooo-users or
> > ooo-dev mailing list instead,
> >
> > 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> > archive that someplace.
> >
> > 3) Discuss the results received
> >
> > 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> > results received?
> >
> > Any other ideas?
>
> not directly. We should analyze it first and should create some overall
> story out of it for our next release. I think this can help to prepare
> some marketing material in time for this release as well. It's time that
> we sell our work a little bit better ;-)
>
> I agree with all 4 points and I am willing to help them where I can. I
> expect point 3) will be a bigger item where hopefully many will
> participate and I am looking forward to this. I saw many interesting
> stuff already.
>

I'm also willing to help. I think we can break down the work and each
people take different topics to categorize the ideas and count the vote.

- Simon



>
> Juergen
>
> >
> > I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> > finish it.  But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> > volunteer.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> >> taking another look.  It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> >> the ones that came in early.
> >>
> >> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> >> and start analyzing the results?  Or mid October?  It would be good to
> >> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On 25 September 2012 14:20, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 9/25/12 2:49 PM, Ian Lynch wrote:
>> On 25 September 2012 12:10, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Ross Gardler
>>>  wrote:
 On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>> On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
>>> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
>>> chance.
>>>
>>> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
>>> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
>>> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
>>> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
>>> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.
>>
>> +1 broad representation is important.
>>
>
> IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
> that we do not understand The Apache Way.
>>
>> Demonstration of merit AND broad representation. Why these things
>> should be mutually exclusive in a project the size of AOO is beyond
>> me.
>> It's not an either or it's a both.
>>
>> Since Apache is about community as well as code, merit can be gained
>> by recruitment, maintaining a healthy community and maximising its
>> growth. Apache is at least in part about inclusion according to the
>> mentors so strategies for inclusion are just as much part of the
>> Apache Way as merit. We should not be just cherry picking bits of the
>> Apache Way that suit a particular perspective.
>>
>
> please Ian, this thread is not the best place to continue this
> discussion.

It is important to understand that "the list" is not decided on
misconceptions. That is relevant to this thread. But I'll also post on
the other thread.

> And again we are all on the same train. We had a thread
> about "What is a good Project Management Committee?" and this is
> probably the better place.
>
> Juergen
>



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Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

On 9/25/12 3:27 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future.  A big
>>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0.  That once seemed so very far away, but
>>> 2013 is getting closer every day.   Will it be a large collection of
>>> small ideas?  Will it have a major overarching theme?  Or will it just
>>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>>> release 4.0?   The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>>> members/volunteers decide to do.   It is a good time now, as a
>>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>>
>>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>>
>>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>>> rate the ideas of others.   Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>>> outside-of-the-box.  We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>>
>>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>>> to rate and comment on it.
>>>
>>
>> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now.  So far, so good.
>>  The latest stats are:
>>
>> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
>>
> 
> Today, a week later:  633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> 
> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback.  I added a mention
> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header.  That
> should give this even more visibility.
> 
> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> 
> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?
> 
> At that point we can:
> 
> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> accepting new suggestions.  Point the users to the ooo-users or
> ooo-dev mailing list instead,
> 
> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> archive that someplace.
> 
> 3) Discuss the results received
> 
> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> results received?
> 
> Any other ideas?

not directly. We should analyze it first and should create some overall
story out of it for our next release. I think this can help to prepare
some marketing material in time for this release as well. It's time that
we sell our work a little bit better ;-)

I agree with all 4 points and I am willing to help them where I can. I
expect point 3) will be a bigger item where hopefully many will
participate and I am looking forward to this. I saw many interesting
stuff already.

Juergen

> 
> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> finish it.  But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> volunteer.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
>> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
>> taking another look.  It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
>> the ones that came in early.
>>
>> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
>> and start analyzing the results?  Or mid October?  It would be good to
>> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob

Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system

2012-09-25 Thread Andre Fischer


On 25.09.2012 15:21, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:

Hi *,

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:56:32PM +0200, Andre Fischer wrote:

I put the patch up at
http://people.apache.org/~arist/patches/ooo-gbuild-cws-patches.tar.gz

Thanks.   Do you know whether these patches can be applied without
further changes?

I just looked at some of the patch files and found some new files that
introduce the old Oracle/GPL license header.  At least this had to be
changed.

At this point, wouldn't it be simpler if we create a branch, and Andrew,
as Oracle representative, commits the patches? Then, everyone willing to
contribute to include the code on trunk, can check it out and help
fixing things on the platform they work.

+1



Regards

Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

2012-09-25 Thread Rory O'Farrell

On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 09:27:04 -0400
Rob Weir  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> >> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
> >> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future.  A big
> >> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0.  That once seemed so very far away, but
> >> 2013 is getting closer every day.   Will it be a large collection of
> >> small ideas?  Will it have a major overarching theme?  Or will it just
> >> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
> >> release 4.0?   The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
> >> members/volunteers decide to do.   It is a good time now, as a
> >> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
> >> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
> >>
> >> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
> >> help us gather and rate ideas:
> >> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
> >>
> >> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
> >> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
> >> rate the ideas of others.   Try not to censor yourself from thinking
> >> outside-of-the-box.  We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
> >>
> >> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
> >> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
> >> to rate and comment on it.
> >>
> >
> > This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now.  So far, so good.
> >  The latest stats are:
> >
> > 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
> >
> 
> Today, a week later:  633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes
> 
> So we are still getting a good amount of feedback.  I added a mention
> of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header.  That
> should give this even more visibility.
> 
> I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
> can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
> help set priorities for AOO 4.0.
> 
> Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?

We should close feedback nominaly at end of September.
> 
> At that point we can:
> 
> 1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
> accepting new suggestions.  Point the users to the ooo-users or
> ooo-dev mailing list instead,

> 
> 2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
> archive that someplace.

This is probably the first step in the analysis of the feedback; many of the 
suggestions will amalgamate under more general headings, for example, 
suggestions for better doc/docx support will most probably amalgamate with 
suggestions for better MS format support.
> 
> 3) Discuss the results received
> 
> 4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
> results received?
> 
> Any other ideas?

After the analysis process perhaps list the top ten on the Google Moderator 
site, without committment that they will be progressed into AOO 4.0
> 
> I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
> finish it.  But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
> volunteer.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Rob
> 
> > If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> > taking another look.  It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> > the ones that came in early.
> >
> > Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> > and start analyzing the results?  Or mid October?  It would be good to
> > wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> -Rob
> 


-- 
Rory O'Farrell

Re: svn commit: r1388877 - in /incubator/ooo/trunk/main: cui/source/dialogs/ cui/source/inc/ default_images/introabout/ default_images/res/ desktop/zipintro/ sd/source/ui/slideshow/ sfx2/inc/sfx2/ sfx

2012-09-25 Thread zhangjf

Hi,

Before I notice this discussion, I have already committed the fix code
for this problem by revision 1389717. I also don't have an idea why it
doesn't work. The fix code build passed on both Mac and Linux.  Let me
know if you have any concerns.

regards,
zhangjf

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:12 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:
> On 24.09.2012 21:12, Pavel Janík wrote:
>>>
>>> * and the using declaration:
>>>
>>>   using namespace com::sun::star;
>>>
>>> The compiler should detect that system::XSystemShellExecute is
>>> com::sun::star::system::XSystemShellExecute and so on, unless it
>>> collides with a system namespace on the system's headers ?
>>>
>>> Anyway feel free to commit it, if this solves your problem.
>
>
> Your change looks fine.  Please commit it.
>
>
>> I'll wait for other's opinions, because I too thought that it should work
>> as written (using c:s:s), weird.
>>
>> Other parts of the code use
>>
>> namespace css = com::sun::star;
>> uno::Reference<  css::system::XSystemShellExecute>  xSystemShell(...
>>
>> despite the fact that using namespace com::sun::star is there as well.
>> Maybe "system" is somehow strange.
>>
>> Any ideas about the strangeness? ;-)
>
>
> Hm, the only thing I can think of is the Koenig lookup that may be
> implemented differently on your compilers.  But I assume that the two of you
> both tried this on Linux and thus probably on very similar compilers.
>
> -Andre
>
>

Re: Help us brainstorm ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> As we perform the final preparations to release Apache OpenOffice
>> 3.4.1 it is a good time to look ahead to the future.  A big
>> opportunity is OpenOffice 4.0.  That once seemed so very far away, but
>> 2013 is getting closer every day.   Will it be a large collection of
>> small ideas?  Will it have a major overarching theme?  Or will it just
>> be whatever random stuff we happen to have on a given date when we
>> release 4.0?   The answer, of course, depends on what we, as project
>> members/volunteers decide to do.   It is a good time now, as a
>> background activity, to poll the community and wider ecosystem on
>> ideas for Apache OpenOffice 4.0.
>>
>> To participate, go to this page on Google Moderator, where you can
>> help us gather and rate ideas:
>> https://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=2011d5
>>
>> A few project members have already "seeded" this with some initial
>> ideas. Of course, you are encouraged to add your own ideas, as well as
>> rate the ideas of others.   Try not to censor yourself from thinking
>> outside-of-the-box.  We need big ideas as well as incremental ones.
>>
>> We don't have a close date on this brainstorming activity, but it is
>> good to get your ideas in early, so there is an opportunity for others
>> to rate and comment on it.
>>
>
> This brainstorming has been ongoing for 3 weeks now.  So far, so good.
>  The latest stats are:
>
> 533 people have submitted 456 ideas and cast 6,491 votes
>

Today, a week later:  633 users - 527 ideas - 7,607 votes

So we are still getting a good amount of feedback.  I added a mention
of this brainstorming on the www.openoffice.org website header.  That
should give this even more visibility.

I've heard from some that it would be good to get to a point where we
can take a "snapshot" of the feedback received, and process that, to
help set priorities for AOO 4.0.

Would it make sense to do that in another week, say on October 1st?

At that point we can:

1) Put a "thank you" note on the Google Moderator page and stop
accepting new suggestions.  Point the users to the ooo-users or
ooo-dev mailing list instead,

2) Export the ideas and scores received so far to a CSV file and
archive that someplace.

3) Discuss the results received

4) Maybe a blog post to highlight the brainstorming activity and the
results received?

Any other ideas?

I don't need to own any of this, but since I started it I'm willing to
finish it.  But if anyone else wants to take a lead on this, please
volunteer.

Regards,

-Rob

> If you have not reviewed the new ideas recently, it would be worth
> taking another look.  It is good that all ideas are rated, not just
> the ones that came in early.
>
> Maybe let it run to the end of September and then we can snapshot it
> and start analyzing the results?  Or mid October?  It would be good to
> wrap this up in advance of ApacheCon, so we can discuss further there.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob

Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system

2012-09-25 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile

Hi *,

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 12:56:32PM +0200, Andre Fischer wrote:
> >I put the patch up at
> >http://people.apache.org/~arist/patches/ooo-gbuild-cws-patches.tar.gz
> 
> Thanks.   Do you know whether these patches can be applied without
> further changes?
> 
> I just looked at some of the patch files and found some new files that
> introduce the old Oracle/GPL license header.  At least this had to be
> changed.

At this point, wouldn't it be simpler if we create a branch, and Andrew,
as Oracle representative, commits the patches? Then, everyone willing to
contribute to include the code on trunk, can check it out and help
fixing things on the platform they work.

Regards
-- 
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina

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Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On 9/25/12 2:49 PM, Ian Lynch wrote:
> On 25 September 2012 12:10, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Ross Gardler
>>  wrote:
>>> On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir  wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
>> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
>> chance.
>>
>> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
>> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
>> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
>> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
>> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.
>
> +1 broad representation is important.
>

 IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
 that we do not understand The Apache Way.
> 
> Demonstration of merit AND broad representation. Why these things
> should be mutually exclusive in a project the size of AOO is beyond
> me.
> It's not an either or it's a both.
> 
> Since Apache is about community as well as code, merit can be gained
> by recruitment, maintaining a healthy community and maximising its
> growth. Apache is at least in part about inclusion according to the
> mentors so strategies for inclusion are just as much part of the
> Apache Way as merit. We should not be just cherry picking bits of the
> Apache Way that suit a particular perspective.
> 

please Ian, this thread is not the best place to continue this
discussion. And again we are all on the same train. We had a thread
about "What is a good Project Management Committee?" and this is
probably the better place.

Juergen

Re: OpenOffice in the browser?

On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Jesper Thomsen  wrote:
> Hi Regina,
>
> I am resending the message to this address as requested - I look forward to
> your feedback.
>

Hi Jesper,

Taking a look at your Roozz website, it looks like you would want to
redistribute the binary packages for Apache OpenOffice, but probably
not need to modify the code at the source level.  If this is correct,
then our open source license should give you the permissions that you
need.  See here:

http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0.html

In particular, no additional permission is needed to copy and
redistribute OpenOffice.

Note however that we do have dependencies on several other 3rd party
libraries.  These are included in our install and they come with their
own terms.  Check the LICENSE and NOTICE files that come with the
install for details.  Some of these licenses require that you
propagate copyright notices, etc., into any derived product.

You also asked about the name of the product.  Do you have a
preference here?  Something like "Roozz Office Suite Powered by Apache
OpenOffice" is what we normally request for derived products.

But we have had cases where someone wants to repackage OpenOffice,
with install-level changes, but no functional changes.  After
clarifying things related to labeling, support, and other factors
related to user expectations, we were able to give permission to use
the name "Apache OpenOffice".  If you want to explore that possibility
in more detail, let us know.

Regards,

-Rob

> Regards,
> Jesper
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jesper Thomsen  wrote:
>
>> Hi Regina,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your response. Let me try and answer your questions:
>>
>> Does this mean, that Apache OpenOffice needs to be installed and you use
>> it when documents are shown/altered inside the browser? Or is it more like
>> WebODF on client side? Are the documents editable inside the browser or is
>> it a kind of ODF viewer?
>> What this means, is that the user can simply run OpenOffice exactly as
>> when the user runs the desktop version. They can edit and have access to
>> exactly the same functionalities but they can run it right in any browser
>> the prefer on any Windows operating system.
>>
>> As far as I know, it is not be possible to provide it from our site,
>> unless your development becomes a project in Apache. We provide the source
>> of Apache OpenOffice and some localized, ready to use binaries.
>> Okay - thanks for that response. If possible, we are happy to distribute
>> it from our various sites to new and existing user - so far some 1 million
>> users have installed the Roozz plugin.
>>
>> As the ODF format becomes more and more known and Google has it as file
>> type, such application might be useful. It is the purpose of the Apache
>> license, that you can do all such exciting things with the code. And this
>> mailing list is indeed the place, to get help if needed.
>> That sounds good. So the Apache license would also allow us to distribute
>> such an in-browser version from our own site, if I understand you
>> correctly?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Jesper
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Regina Henschel 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jesper,
>>>
>>> Jesper Thomsen schrieb:
>>>
 Hi Apache Team,

>>>
>>>
>>> "Apache Team" is not the right term for us. We are individual persons
>>> belonging to the incubating OpenOffice project.
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Roozz is a Danish startup and we have a technology that can turn Windows
 desktop software into online browser versions running in any Windows OS
 and
 any browser.

 We think it could be great for your users to have OpenOffice as an
 in-browser version. We have so far not looked at converting it in detail,
 but we believe there are very good chances we can make it run at native
 performance.

>>>
>>> Does this mean, that Apache OpenOffice needs to be installed and you use
>>> it when documents are shown/altered inside the browser? Or is it more like
>>> WebODF on client side? Are the documents editable inside the browser or is
>>> it a kind of ODF viewer?
>>>

 Before we spend too much time, would you be interested in joining forces
 with us and provide such a version from your site?

>>>
>>> As far as I know, it is not be possible to provide it from our site,
>>> unless your development becomes a project in Apache. We provide the source
>>> of Apache OpenOffice and some localized, ready to use binaries.
>>>
>>>
>>>  Alternatively, would be
>>>
 allowed to distribute it from our side using a name such as "Roozz Office
 Suite Powered by Apache OpenOffice" (or similar - as per the example on
 your site). There are of course no costs of any kind to you.

 I am excited to hear what you think of this - thanks in advance.

>>>
>>> As the ODF format becomes more and more known and Google has it as file
>>> type, such application might be useful. It is the purpose of the Apache
>

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On 25 September 2012 12:10, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Ross Gardler
>  wrote:
>> On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
 On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
> chance.
>
> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.

 +1 broad representation is important.

>>>
>>> IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
>>> that we do not understand The Apache Way.

Demonstration of merit AND broad representation. Why these things
should be mutually exclusive in a project the size of AOO is beyond
me.
It's not an either or it's a both.

Since Apache is about community as well as code, merit can be gained
by recruitment, maintaining a healthy community and maximising its
growth. Apache is at least in part about inclusion according to the
mentors so strategies for inclusion are just as much part of the
Apache Way as merit. We should not be just cherry picking bits of the
Apache Way that suit a particular perspective.

-- 
Ian

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www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940

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Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:43 AM, Jürgen Schmidt  wrote:
> On 9/25/12 1:10 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Ross Gardler
>>  wrote:
>>> On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir  wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
>> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
>> chance.
>>
>> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
>> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
>> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
>> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
>> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.
>
> +1 broad representation is important.
>

 IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
 that we do not understand The Apache Way.
>>>
>>> I don't think the idea of actively seeking broad representation is
>>> necessarily counter to the Apache Way. It depends on exactly how that
>>> representation is achieved.
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps you missed my last paragraph where I talked specifically about
>> seeking broad participation?
>>
>> The issue is not diversity.  In fact Roy has stated quite bluntly that
>> diversity in itself is not an issue with graduation.  The issue is
>> thinking of the PMC as a representative body, where participants
>> "represent" some finer grained constituency and where the composition
>> of the PMC is optimized to someone's view of what a proper
>> distribution is, rather then on merit.  If it is wrong for someone to
>> claim to "represent IBM" then it is equally wrong for someone to claim
>> to "represent Asian women".  We participate as individuals.
>>
>> IMHO we should be hearing the word "representation" a lot less when
>> describing the PMC.  It *is not* a representative body.  Individuals
>> participate based on their own merit, not as representatives of some
>> other group of interest.  We underestimate how radically different a
>> meritocracy is if we do not grok this distinction.
>>
>> Or maybe you and Ian are using the word "representation" in some loose way?
>>
>> To note: the legacy OpenOffice.org project was representative, and
>> some may be reverting to that mental model, of governance that had
>> fixed set aside seats for specific representation, e.g., one person
>> from the Calc project, one person from the NCL, one seat set aside for
>> Sun, etc.
>>
 The PMC *is not* representative. The PMC is inclusive of *all that
 show merit* for the things that the PMC is responsible for.  To have a
 PMC based on representation suggests that members are included for
 things other than merit, or that other potential members are excluded
 based on representation concerns regardless of their demonstrated
 merit.  Both are wrong.
>>>
>>> I agree both are wrong.
>>>
>>> On the other hand I really hope that Imacat and others seek to address
>>> the issue of
>>> inclusion of all. Such work is, in itself, worthy of merit yet is
>>> often not recognised as such in software projects like those here in
>>> the ASF.
>>>
>>
>> Inclusion != a representative PMC.  Inclusion is about recruitment and
>> ensuring that all merit is recognized.  It is not about quotas.
>
> I believe that we are all on the same track here more or less and I hope
> that we don't destroy this ongoing discussion on a PMC roster with too
> much nit-picking.


Thanks for the reminder.  I've said all I wanted to say on this topic.
 I'm done.

Onward and upward!

-Rob

> The OpenOffice community had always a broader community and we welcome
> anybody as community member, as committer or as PMC member over time. We
> are open in all directions and the most important thing is that we drive
> things forward and don't stand idle.
>
> In the end we are mainly a software project. No software product means
> no project, no community, no committers, no PMC. And we are trying to
> address everything related to our project.
>
> So please let us continue to work and finish the things that are
> necessary to move forward. And any effort to grow in whatever direction
> is welcome. Simply start doing it and ideally talk and report about it
> that others have the chance to recognize it. I am a software developer,
> believe that I can motivate people in a community, can spread my
> knowledge about certain things but I am not a clairvoyant (as many
> others as well). So visibility of what you are doing is somewhat
> necessary to get recognition.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
>
>

Re: svn commit: r1388877 - in /incubator/ooo/trunk/main: cui/source/dialogs/ cui/source/inc/ default_images/introabout/ default_images/res/ desktop/zipintro/ sd/source/ui/slideshow/ sfx2/inc/sfx2/ sfx

2012-09-25 Thread Pavel Janík

> Hm, the only thing I can think of is the Koenig lookup that may be 
> implemented differently on your compilers.  But I assume that the two of you 
> both tried this on Linux and thus probably on very similar compilers.

I use Mac OS X, gcc 4.2.1 on the build machine.
-- 
Pavel Janík

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On 9/25/12 1:10 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Ross Gardler
>  wrote:
>> On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
 On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
> chance.
>
> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.

 +1 broad representation is important.

>>>
>>> IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
>>> that we do not understand The Apache Way.
>>
>> I don't think the idea of actively seeking broad representation is
>> necessarily counter to the Apache Way. It depends on exactly how that
>> representation is achieved.
>>
> 
> Perhaps you missed my last paragraph where I talked specifically about
> seeking broad participation?
> 
> The issue is not diversity.  In fact Roy has stated quite bluntly that
> diversity in itself is not an issue with graduation.  The issue is
> thinking of the PMC as a representative body, where participants
> "represent" some finer grained constituency and where the composition
> of the PMC is optimized to someone's view of what a proper
> distribution is, rather then on merit.  If it is wrong for someone to
> claim to "represent IBM" then it is equally wrong for someone to claim
> to "represent Asian women".  We participate as individuals.
> 
> IMHO we should be hearing the word "representation" a lot less when
> describing the PMC.  It *is not* a representative body.  Individuals
> participate based on their own merit, not as representatives of some
> other group of interest.  We underestimate how radically different a
> meritocracy is if we do not grok this distinction.
> 
> Or maybe you and Ian are using the word "representation" in some loose way?
> 
> To note: the legacy OpenOffice.org project was representative, and
> some may be reverting to that mental model, of governance that had
> fixed set aside seats for specific representation, e.g., one person
> from the Calc project, one person from the NCL, one seat set aside for
> Sun, etc.
> 
>>> The PMC *is not* representative. The PMC is inclusive of *all that
>>> show merit* for the things that the PMC is responsible for.  To have a
>>> PMC based on representation suggests that members are included for
>>> things other than merit, or that other potential members are excluded
>>> based on representation concerns regardless of their demonstrated
>>> merit.  Both are wrong.
>>
>> I agree both are wrong.
>>
>> On the other hand I really hope that Imacat and others seek to address
>> the issue of
>> inclusion of all. Such work is, in itself, worthy of merit yet is
>> often not recognised as such in software projects like those here in
>> the ASF.
>>
> 
> Inclusion != a representative PMC.  Inclusion is about recruitment and
> ensuring that all merit is recognized.  It is not about quotas.

I believe that we are all on the same track here more or less and I hope
that we don't destroy this ongoing discussion on a PMC roster with too
much nit-picking.
The OpenOffice community had always a broader community and we welcome
anybody as community member, as committer or as PMC member over time. We
are open in all directions and the most important thing is that we drive
things forward and don't stand idle.

In the end we are mainly a software project. No software product means
no project, no community, no committers, no PMC. And we are trying to
address everything related to our project.

So please let us continue to work and finish the things that are
necessary to move forward. And any effort to grow in whatever direction
is welcome. Simply start doing it and ideally talk and report about it
that others have the chance to recognize it. I am a software developer,
believe that I can motivate people in a community, can spread my
knowledge about certain things but I am not a clairvoyant (as many
others as well). So visibility of what you are doing is somewhat
necessary to get recognition.

Juergen

Re: svn commit: r1388877 - in /incubator/ooo/trunk/main: cui/source/dialogs/ cui/source/inc/ default_images/introabout/ default_images/res/ desktop/zipintro/ sd/source/ui/slideshow/ sfx2/inc/sfx2/ sfx

2012-09-25 Thread Andre Fischer


On 24.09.2012 21:12, Pavel Janík wrote:

* and the using declaration:

  using namespace com::sun::star;

The compiler should detect that system::XSystemShellExecute is
com::sun::star::system::XSystemShellExecute and so on, unless it
collides with a system namespace on the system's headers ?

Anyway feel free to commit it, if this solves your problem.


Your change looks fine.  Please commit it.


I'll wait for other's opinions, because I too thought that it should work as 
written (using c:s:s), weird.

Other parts of the code use

namespace css = com::sun::star;
uno::Reference<  css::system::XSystemShellExecute>  xSystemShell(...

despite the fact that using namespace com::sun::star is there as well. Maybe 
"system" is somehow strange.

Any ideas about the strangeness? ;-)


Hm, the only thing I can think of is the Koenig lookup that may be 
implemented differently on your compilers.  But I assume that the two of 
you both tried this on Linux and thus probably on very similar compilers.


-Andre

Re: [DISCUSS] Repo in University Brazil

2012-09-25 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 8:03 AM, Albino B Neto  wrote:

> If you must have statistics. (:
> But, In another location it is also possible to have statistics.
>

Perhaps others on this list have other opinions or comments... don´t get me
wrong. I´m just an observer on this list and not related to SF.net or the
AOO project administration... I´m just making an observation on how the
SF.net mirroring system works, based on what I´ve seen (ie. all
sf.netmirrors redirected by the
sf.net download links seem to host the whole sf.net archive and not just a
subset of it).

FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Ross Gardler
 wrote:
> On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>>> On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
 I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
 chance.

 In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
 PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
 diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
 female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
 OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.
>>>
>>> +1 broad representation is important.
>>>
>>
>> IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
>> that we do not understand The Apache Way.
>
> I don't think the idea of actively seeking broad representation is
> necessarily counter to the Apache Way. It depends on exactly how that
> representation is achieved.
>

Perhaps you missed my last paragraph where I talked specifically about
seeking broad participation?

The issue is not diversity.  In fact Roy has stated quite bluntly that
diversity in itself is not an issue with graduation.  The issue is
thinking of the PMC as a representative body, where participants
"represent" some finer grained constituency and where the composition
of the PMC is optimized to someone's view of what a proper
distribution is, rather then on merit.  If it is wrong for someone to
claim to "represent IBM" then it is equally wrong for someone to claim
to "represent Asian women".  We participate as individuals.

IMHO we should be hearing the word "representation" a lot less when
describing the PMC.  It *is not* a representative body.  Individuals
participate based on their own merit, not as representatives of some
other group of interest.  We underestimate how radically different a
meritocracy is if we do not grok this distinction.

Or maybe you and Ian are using the word "representation" in some loose way?

To note: the legacy OpenOffice.org project was representative, and
some may be reverting to that mental model, of governance that had
fixed set aside seats for specific representation, e.g., one person
from the Calc project, one person from the NCL, one seat set aside for
Sun, etc.

>> The PMC *is not* representative. The PMC is inclusive of *all that
>> show merit* for the things that the PMC is responsible for.  To have a
>> PMC based on representation suggests that members are included for
>> things other than merit, or that other potential members are excluded
>> based on representation concerns regardless of their demonstrated
>> merit.  Both are wrong.
>
> I agree both are wrong.
>
> On the other hand I really hope that Imacat and others seek to address
> the issue of
> inclusion of all. Such work is, in itself, worthy of merit yet is
> often not recognised as such in software projects like those here in
> the ASF.
>

Inclusion != a representative PMC.  Inclusion is about recruitment and
ensuring that all merit is recognized.  It is not about quotas.

-Rob

Re: [DISCUSS] Repo in University Brazil

Hi.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> I don´t get what you mean by ´intermediary´. I suggest you get in touch
> with sourceforge and ask about mirroring just AOO, and see if they can add
> your new mirrors (just of AOO) to the list of SF.net mirror sites, but
> don´t know how that would work, technically.

Thank you.

> Otherwise, you can simply mirror the AOO files and point local users to
> those sites, but those downloads won´t be counted by the Sourceforge.net
> download stats... which poses an interesting statistical problem for the
> AOO project... ;)

If you must have statistics. (:
But, In another location it is also possible to have statistics.

> That´s why I´d suggest you get in touch with sf.net and ask...

Yes.

Albino

Re: [DISCUSS] Repo in University Brazil

2012-09-25 Thread Fernando Cassia

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:27 AM, Albino B Neto  wrote:

> So I have to be the intermediary between the SF.net and the University?
>

I don´t get what you mean by ´intermediary´. I suggest you get in touch
with sourceforge and ask about mirroring just AOO, and see if they can add
your new mirrors (just of AOO) to the list of SF.net mirror sites, but
don´t know how that would work, technically.

Otherwise, you can simply mirror the AOO files and point local users to
those sites, but those downloads won´t be counted by the Sourceforge.net
download stats... which poses an interesting statistical problem for the
AOO project... ;)

That´s why I´d suggest you get in touch with sf.net and ask...
FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
- George Orwell

Re: [CODE] gmake and AOO build system

2012-09-25 Thread Andre Fischer


On 24.09.2012 18:31, Andrew Rist wrote:


On 9/24/2012 4:39 AM, Andre wrote:

On 09/19/2012 09:58 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:

Hi Andrew;


- Original Message -
...
I have been provided patches necessary to apply the following CWSes 
to AOO

trunk:

ause131
ause130
writerfilter10
gnumake4
sd2gbuild

As I understand it this is mostly gbuild stuff that we did not want 
to apply to

3.4.x as it might destabilize the build.
This was provided to me by Michael Stahl, and represents work done 
by Oracle

emps when OOo was still at Oracle.

Is there any resistance from checking in these patches?  If I don't 
hear any
opposition in 72 hours and the patches cleanly apply on my dev 
area, I will

check in these changes.

Not an objection at this point but this is likely to break transitorily
the FreeBSD port.

It would be helpful to see the patches before they are applied.


Any news?  (I just came back from my vacation)


I put the patch up at
http://people.apache.org/~arist/patches/ooo-gbuild-cws-patches.tar.gz


Thanks.   Do you know whether these patches can be applied without 
further changes?


I just looked at some of the patch files and found some new files that 
introduce the old Oracle/GPL license header.  At least this had to be 
changed.


-Andre




A.



Andre



Pedro.

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

2012-09-25 Thread Ross Gardler

On 25 September 2012 11:22, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
>> On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
>>> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
>>> chance.
>>>
>>> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
>>> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
>>> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
>>> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
>>> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.
>>
>> +1 broad representation is important.
>>
>
> IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
> that we do not understand The Apache Way.

I don't think the idea of actively seeking broad representation is
necessarily counter to the Apache Way. It depends on exactly how that
representation is achieved.

> The PMC *is not* representative. The PMC is inclusive of *all that
> show merit* for the things that the PMC is responsible for.  To have a
> PMC based on representation suggests that members are included for
> things other than merit, or that other potential members are excluded
> based on representation concerns regardless of their demonstrated
> merit.  Both are wrong.

I agree both are wrong.

On the other hand I really hope that Imacat and others seek to address
the issue of
inclusion of all. Such work is, in itself, worthy of merit yet is
often not recognised as such in software projects like those here in
the ASF.

Similarly, activities that limit the participation of others can
destroy a project community. This can happen either intentionally
(such behaviours have no place in an ASF project) or unintentionally
(in which case such behaviours need to be corrected by the community).
It's this latter situation that can be very hard to manage. It raises
the question of does adherence to and enforcement of the code of
conduct trump technical merit?

[ASIDE: the Community Development PMC, d...@community.apache.org, are
always looking to make the ASF more welcoming to all. There are some
useful experiences there and the PMC is always looking for other
ideas]

Ross

Re: Fw: [Plugtest-org] Invitation for the Berlin 2012 plugfest

Hi.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 4:24 PM,   wrote:
> I have the pleasure to invite you on behalf of OpenDoc Society to
> participate in the 9th ODF Plugfest, a two day interoperability event
> on October 17th/18th 2012 kindly hosted by Bundesmin. fuer Wirtschaft
> und Technologie.

Seems a good event, a penalty that is unavailable to me.

We need events like this in Brazil. (:

Albino

Re: OpenOffice 3.4.1

Hi.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:07 PM, Errol Raymond  wrote:
> I am new to OpenOffice,

Welcome Errol.

> and want to install the new version. I
> currently have a imac-g5 ppc, and it is not supported on my
> architecture. Is there anyway to get around this issue?

The extension DMG doesn't work in architecture ?

>
> I would like to effectively install, and contribute to OpenOffice.
>

I waiting yes.

Imac-g5: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G5

Albino

Re: [ApacheCon] BoF session on AOO community

Hi

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Peter Junge  wrote:
> During ApacheCon Europe 2012 (ACEU 2012; http://apachecon.eu/), we will hold
> a 90-minute session on the state of the community. Our topic is as broad as
> the community and includes discussion on how to develop and further the
> community of contributors and users making up AOO. We hope you can be there
> and add your voice! We seldom have opportunity to meet in person, and this
> will be a great occasion to go over where we are as a community, what we
> need to do to improve the operations of the community, and what can be done
> by us all to take AOO to top-level status. Everyone is invited—and to
> encourage you further to participate, we hope to welcome the Apache mentors
> who are helping AOO move ahead.

So good!

> At the moment, I'm responsible for this session but due to the fact that I'm
> located in Beijing I will not be able to attend in person. Hence, it would
> be great to find one or two volunteers to host this BoF session about the
> AOO community at the ApacheCon Europe.

And I in Brazil, If you have a volunteer to go to the event. (:

Enjoy the event well anyone.

Albino

Re: [DISCUSS] Repo in University Brazil

Hi.

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 3:12 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> I think nobody can prevent you from creating local mirrors in the above
> universities.

Yeah!

> However, SourceForge.net has its own set of mirrors, which
> mirror the entire SourceForge repository.

I was saw.

> So if you expect to create local mirrors only of AOO and have these
> selected from the sourceforge.net servers, my guess is that it s
> impossible, as sourceforge.net redirects based on its pool of SF.net
> mirrors on a global (all projects) basis, not on a per-project basis.

So I have to be the intermediary between the SF.net and the University?

Albino

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:40 AM, Ian Lynch  wrote:
> On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
>> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
>> chance.
>>
>> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
>> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
>> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
>> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
>> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.
>
> +1 broad representation is important.
>

IMHO this is a bad idea and if we go down this route it demonstrates
that we do not understand The Apache Way.

The PMC *is not* representative. The PMC is inclusive of *all that
show merit* for the things that the PMC is responsible for.  To have a
PMC based on representation suggests that members are included for
things other than merit, or that other potential members are excluded
based on representation concerns regardless of their demonstrated
merit.  Both are wrong.

Of course, representation and balance in the project is important, but
we should try to make gains there by encouraging contributors from all
stakeholder groups. And if we are broad and inclusive of all
stakeholder groups then, over time, this will lead to increased
diversity in contributors, and eventually with contributors showing
merit and PMC membership.   So it comes naturally.   But we need to
aim for actual diversity in contributors, not some fake diversity via
handpicked under-weighting and over-weighting of contributor groups
based on factors other than merit.  In other words, diversity is more
than window dressing.

-Rob

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i can't find the odfValidator.jar

2012-09-25 Thread prat


Hello,

i can't find the odfValidator.jar file as it mentionned on the web site. 
i just find a odfValidator.war


could you tell me where i can find this file ?

Best regards,


--
Philippe Prat
04.67.14.14.39
CINES
http://www.cines.fr
france.

Re: [DISCUSS] granting processes for fund allocation for ACEU 2012


Hi,

see below some important refinement and status report for the proposed granting 
processes.


On 24.09.2012 13:01, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:

Hi,

I would like to discuss how the grainting processes for fund allocation for
ApacheCon EU (ACEU) 2012 could work.
Two processes are needed. One for granting travel expense subsidy and one for
ticket discount for non-committers of the OpenOffice community.

The goal is to reach (lazy) consensus on the granting processes in the next 72
hours.

Here are my ideas regarding such processes:
(1) ticket discount for non-committers:
- 30 x 100 EUR ticket discount for non-committers can be granted.

- To apply for the ticket discount people should send post to ooo-private. The
details should be:
-- subject = [ACEU 2012 - ticket discount] 
-- content:
--- full name
--- email address
--- affiliation to the OpenOffice community (something like: "user",
"contributing X", "translator", ...)
--- description why applying for the ticket discount and why support is needed.
--- job or eduation status (something like: "student", "employee",
"freeflancer", ...)

- Announce on our mailing lists and in our forum that application process is
open until  -  should be at least 7 days ahead
of the .

- The small group of volunteers collect the applications. The group selects not
more than 30 and post the decision details on ooo-private. The selection process
should not take more than 2 days.
The selection shall be based on the given description and the job/eduation 
status.

- Send out corresponding notifications and details how to get the ticket 
discount.

[Note: I will get in contact with ACEU 2012 planners, if it is possible to get a
promotion code for our ticket discount.]
[Another note: I will get in contact with treasu...@apache.org to assure ASF's
charity status and clarify the actual spending of the money]



ACEU 2012 planners confirmed that a promotion code is possible. Waiting now for 
final approval from ASF treasurer that this way of spending the money is ok.




(2) travel expense subsidy for OpenOffice community members:
- 10 x 300 resp. 600 EUR travel expense subsidy can be granted.

- To apply for the travel expense subsidy people should send a post to
ooo-private. The details should be:
-- subject = [ACEU 2012 - travel subsidy] 
-- content:
--- full name
--- email address
--- affiliation to the OpenOffice community (something like: "committer",
"user", "contributing X", "translator", ...)
--- Apache ID (if available)
--- accepted or stand-by speaker at ACEU?
--- description why applying for the travel expense subsidy and why support is
needed.
--- job or eduation status (something like: "student", "employee", "freelancer",
...)
--- estimated travel expense
--- estimated needed accommodation - # of nights
--- other available funding (something like: "corporate", "ACEU - TAC", ...)
--- applying for 300 EUR or 600 EUR?

- Announce on our mailing lists and in our forum that application process is
open until  -  should be at least 7 days ahead
of the .

- The small group of volunteers collect the applications. The group selects not
more than 10 and post the decision details on ooo-private. The selection process
should not take more than 3 days.
The selection should consider the following:
-- Application shall hold the following conditions, otherwise it is invalid
--- no corporate funding and no TAC funding
--- travel expense must be at least 300 EUR
--- accommodation needed for at least 2 nights
-- The selection shall be based on the given description and the job/eduation
status.
-- Applications are selected in the following order:
--- invited (accepted or stand-by) speakers
--- committers
--- non-committers

- Send out corresponding notifications and details how to get the ticket 
discount.

[Note: I will get in contact with treasu...@apache.org to assure ASF's charity
status and clarify the actual spending of the money.]



Taking the advice that the selection processes have to be traceable and 
auditable I propose that the applications should be sent to ooo-dev and that 
also the decision making and the final decision are done on ooo-dev, too.


Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [REQUEST] Apache OpenOffice (incubating) - fund allocation for ACEU 2012


Hi,

Thx to Chris, Ross and Lawrence for the fast feedback.

Some comments and furthers question below inline.

On 24.09.2012 17:34, Ross Gardler wrote:

On 24 September 2012 17:14, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
 wrote:

On Sep 24, 2012, at 4:48 AM, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:



...


the Apache OpenOffice (incubating) community wants to spend some of its fund 
for ApacheCon EU (ACEU) 2012 - see the corresponding thread on ooo-dev@i.a.o 
[1].

We are currently discussing the granting processes - see [2].

The purpose of this post is to assure ASF's charity status and to clarify the 
actual spending of the money regarding our planned fund allocation.
We want to spend the following money for ACEU 2012 participants from the Apache 
OpenOffice (incubating) community:
- 10 x 300/600 EUR for travel expense subsidy
- 30 x 100 EUR for ticket discounts for non-committers

Questions regarding assurence of charity status:
(1) Do the planned spendings violate our charity status?


I'm not the person to definitively answer this -- I believe this has to do with 
legal@ too, luckily
the VP, Legal is also on the treasurer list :) so he can help decide if there 
needs to be a legal@
CC here. To my knowledge though, I think that you already have approval to 
proceed based on
old discussions I saw regarding this topic on board@, and also based on Ross 
Gardler being a
board@ guy and Apache OO mentor and bringing this up too.


I don't speak for the board, however, the board did approve the
principle of using SPI money for this. I've checked with Jim as
President and he confirms that he see's no problem. The treasurer list
was copied on that communication and I reported it back to the ooo-dev
list. In summary, I believe we are good to go (said with my EVP hat
since Jim spoke with his Pres hat so it's my problem if this is bad
information)



great - looks to me that we are on a save way.


(2) What do we need to consider in our planned granting processes to assure our 
charity status?


I think the most important thing is to make sure that the process is traceable 
and auditable, IIRC.


That is correct. We should also add fair and non-discriminatory. The
applications process and evaluation process needs to be public (I'm
assuming this is not a needs based evaluation, if it is needs based it
will be more complex as privacy is also necessary).



I am taking this advice and will bring it into the current discussion of the 
granting processes.



Questions regarding actual spending of the money:
(1) Is it possible to spend the "ticket discount" money via a special promotion 
code in the ACEU 2012 ticket system?


Not sure about this :) The ApacheCon folks, or Mellissa, our EA, would probably 
be
good people to ask, so I've CC'ed Melissa here.


Yes, it is possible. What we need to know (send to plann...@apachecon.com) is:

- ticket name
- discount code
- discount level
- promotion start and end dates



The ApacheCon planners confirmed that a promotion code is possible.
Is it ok for ASF treasurer to "pay the bill" for the used ticket discounts to 
the "ACEU 2012 ticket service"?



(1a) If not, do you have any recommendation how the money should be spent?

(2) What are the possibilities to spend the "travel expense subsidy" money?
(2a) Do you have a recommendation how the money should be spent?


Regarding the above, I'd say come up with a process that is documented, you 
guys decide how
you want to spend it, come up with a Bill or someone to pay, provide that 
information
to the Treasurer@ list (me and Sam) and we'll move forward with the approval 
process.

Right now, our bills are paid by having someone with the appropriate karma put 
a file in:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/received/

Then, they are reviewed by someone with the appropriate budget authority (e.g., 
in Travel I
believe that's Jim since he's the President) and then placed in:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/approved/

At that point, the Treasurer's office can pay the bill (via wire transfer; 
electronic funds deposit, etc.)
provided that all the information is given to address the payee, and then once 
we pay, we
move the bill into:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/financials/Bills/paid/


I do not think that we will real bills that need to be paid as the granted 
travel expense subsidy will in general cover only a part of the overall travel 
expenses.
Is it possible that the treasurer pay money based on the granting process and a 
final confirmation note to the Treasurer@ list?


Thanks in advance for your support.

Best regards, Oliver.

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

On 25 September 2012 06:15, imacat  wrote:
> I feel honored to be listed.  I would like to help PMC if there is a
> chance.
>
> In any case, I suggest at least one female should be included in the
> PMC, to encourage the contribution of females in the community and bring
> diverse voices in PMC.  It is very important to encourage more and more
> female contributors to join the community, and make them feel that
> OpenOffice is theirs', not of some male geeks.

+1 broad representation is important.

-- 
Ian

Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)

www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940

The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.

Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List