Re: IP Clearance Milestone

[Yong Lin Ma]

Please also count Chinese in.

This is a real milestone.  We are much closer to the first milestone
release of AOO now.

We will also need to decide the triage criterial of defects for final
release. Any existed rules from ASF?  or this is part of release management.


On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Arthur Buijs  wrote:

> On 12/24/2011 11:23 AM, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
>
>> In data 24 dicembre 2011 alle ore 10:45:55, Ross Gardler
>>   ha scritto:
>>
>>  Thanks for flagging this, I've shared this mail with press@ to see how
>>> Sally (VP M&P) wants to prepare. Can you take a guess at the languages we
>>> are likely to encounter early.
>>>
>>
>> We may have German, French, Spanish, Italian and Japanese, I suppose,
>> because I've seen several members from these linguistic communities here.
>>
>
> Please count in Dutch too.
>
>
>  Here, in Europe, there may be very specific news release.
>>
>> In Italy, for example, we did a news release even for a sci-fi literary
>> contest sponsored by OOo corporate supporters and PLIO (before it became a
>> not-for-profit association, in 2005).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards/groeten,
> Arthur Buijs
>

Re: Question related derivative code based on our Apache licensed code

[Yong Lin Ma]

Here is my understanding.
LibreOffice can take code from Apache OpenOffice without having to change
its license.

No code from LGPL should be used in Apache Project, even if it is trivial
change. But it is possible and allowable that two identical changes been
made independently.


2012/1/4 Jürgen Schmidt 

> On 1/4/12 1:08 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
>> My personal opinions on this, naturally:
>>
>> On 4 Jan 2012, at 11:35, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>  In detail if a derivative project merge our now Apache licensed code
>>> with their code that was based on the former Oracle licensed LGPL code.
>>> This code becomes automatically Apache licensed, correct?
>>>
>>
>> Probably not, no. The existing LGPLv3 licensed code remains LGPLv3
>> licensed, and as a requirement of the LGPLv3 the new code added to it has
>> to be made available under the LGPLv3 as well. As a consequence, the
>> resulting modified work will be licensed under LGPLv3. The Apache code that
>> was added remains under the Apache license too (which is OK since there is
>> no conflict between the terms of the AL and LGPLv3).
>>
>>  are you sure? For me this special situation seems to be a little bit
> different. Either you go forward with the old code and the old license
> header and can't merge to the new code. Or you move forward with the new
> one and keep the new license headers and put your change on a different
> license. Where you would make the difference which code is from which code
> base. For me it sounds practical impossible because the many thousand files
> with more or less the same code.
>
>
> It is really a special situation, isn't it. It would be interesting to
> hear what a lawyer things about it.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
>  If yes, does it mean that we can use the changes on this code in our code
>>> as well if it is publicly available?
>>>
>>
>> No.
>>
>>
>> S.
>>
>
>

Re: AOO starts everytime after a newstart of Windows

[Yong Lin Ma]

you need check the "start->program->start up" to see if aoo is there.
在 2011-12-31 上午9:43，"rbircher_...@bluewin.ch" 写道：

> Hi at all
>
> I have the following problem:
>
> - Bot the mashine with Windows (I use Vista)
> - Login in your account
> - AOO
> start itself (not only the Quickstarter)
>
> Maybe this is a problem of my computer. Befor I investegate more time I
> want
> to ask you, if you have had similar problems?
>
> Greetings Raphael (from a different Mail Adress)
>

Re: New home for OpenOffice instead of Apache?

[Yong Lin Ma]

>From my own perspective, ASF is a good place for OpenOffice. At least
much better than
a business company. ASF has a long history and proved himself for
hosting such a project.

I see you experienced some user data lost problems when
migrating/upgrading OpenOffice.
You can either report issues or seek some tips in user forums about
migrating user data.

AOO 3.4 is coming out, you may give a try. You may not a coder. But
you can think about how
to share your migration experience with others if you like.


On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:19 AM, imacat  wrote:
> On 2012/03/02 02:31, Rob Weir said:
>> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Super User  
>> wrote:
>>> If everything I am hearing about what is happening to OO is wrong, I would
>>> like to hear this, too.
>> Maybe start by telling us what you are hearing?  i hope we can put you at 
>> ease.
>
>    Do you mean "copying user data, profile, etc (the
> $HOME/.openoffice.org/3 or $HOME/.libreoffice/3 directory) onto the new
> location?  If that is what you mean, actually Apache OpenOffice 3.4 will
> still use the $HOME/.openoffice.org/3 directory.
>
>    Maybe we can add a function so that when AOO first starts, it may
> ask to copy user profile from $HOME/.libreoffice/3, just like Mozilla
> Firefox?  That sounds like a great idea, though I do not think this
> should be included in AOO 3.4, as OOo 3.4 is still using the same
> profile directory as OOo 3.3, and we have a release schedule.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> imacat ^_*' 
> PGP Key http://www.imacat.idv.tw/me/pgpkey.asc
>
> <> News: http://www.wov.idv.tw/
> Tavern IMACAT's http://www.imacat.idv.tw/
> Woman in FOSS in Taiwan http://wofoss.blogspot.com/
> Apache OpenOffice http://www.openoffice.org/
> EducOO/OOo4Kids Taiwan http://www.educoo.tw/
>

Re: Heads Up POOTLE data are on the way

[Yong Lin Ma]

Sounds exciting. Is this about restoring data from previous pootle server?




Regards

Yong Lin Ma

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Raphael Bircher  wrote:
> Hi at all
>
> I just import the date... takes same time but it works now.
>
> Greetings Raphael
> --
> My private Homepage: http://www.raphaelbircher.ch/

Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?

[Yong Lin Ma]

I am from Symphony team. I am the architect of IBM Symphony.

It would back to end of 2002 when we started to work on a project
called OpenStorm which was based on OpenOffice.org 1.4.  Almost ten
years
from today.

OpenStorm was embedded into Lotus Notes after that. In 2008, Symphony
1.0 was released as an independent application.  Now the
latest release of it is Symphony 3.0.1.

I ever worked on Infobox(It is replaced by property sidebar),
stability, integration (C++ part of Symphony integrated with Eclipse)
and Mac porting
project (Since OO.o updated the license, the Auqua port in Symphony
was made independently before Symphony 3.0).

I also leading the effort of Symphony 3.0. OpenOffice.org 3.1 was
taken as the base of Symphony 3.0. Then Symphony features/improvements
were reimplemented on it piece by piece from 2009.




On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Kevin Sisco  wrote:
> I do feel that we need to continue to focus on the issues at hand.  We
> wouldn't want this project to fall into extinction after all these
> years now would we?
>
>
> On 3/12/12, Rob Weir  wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:


 I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone.  I'm suggesting we make
 truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
 level of its participants.

>>>
>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>
>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this.  The
>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>> agree to be accurate and positive.   We don't need to agree on a
>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and"  instead of "no, but".
>>
>> -Rob
>>

Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?

[Yong Lin Ma]

Although most people introduced themselves before. It is still good
and meaningful to see people gathered and say hello to each other in
single thread. This also can give us an impression that how many
contributors are active after 9 months.

>
> On 2012-03-12 5:49 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:

 On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni   wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone.  I'm suggesting we make
>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>> level of its participants.
>>>
>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>
>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>
> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this.  The
> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
> agree to be accurate and positive.   We don't need to agree on a
> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and"  instead of "no, but".
>
> -Rob



 You didn't get it: the channel matters.

 If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
 dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
 well ... both can be wrong or right ...

 OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
 message is way more credible.

>>>
>>> So that is a "yes, and" statement.  Yes, let's do the home page, and
>>> the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
>>> together.  Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
>>> reinforce a message.
>>>
 This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
 main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
 want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
 Apache CMS?

>>>
>>> It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
>>> page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
>>> Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
>>
>>
>> We now use Server Side Includes and there are no longer any sledgehammer
>> builds.
>>
>> I have a notion to make it easy to add news to the main page. The buttons
>> are a current issue on the main page and the downloads.
>>
>> It is safe to change/update news stories using the Apache CMS Bookmarklet
>> directly from www.openoffice.org. If you are not a committer then you can
>> create a patch.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
 cheers,

 Pedro.
>>
>>
>

Re: IP clearance issues ( was Re: AOO 3.4 QA Weekly Status Report As of 2012.03.19(2012.03.13 - 2012.03.19))

[Yong Lin Ma]

 I think the 100% means 100% test coverage for the IP clean work have
been done by developers.

Cleaning up (need finding out first) of all the license info in code
should be done by some tools.

Not sure whether that will be part of IPMC review.


On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:51 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> Hello;
>
> Despite its evident value, I think I find this
> QA testing report somewhat misguiding ...
> 100% IP clearance testing didnt find:
>
> ooo_custom_images/industrial/README
>
> and despite the website suggesting otherwise,
> the tango binaries have embedded GPL notices.
>
> We need some real testing on this!
>
> Pedro.
>
> BTW. The rat-excludes file is still very populated.
>
> --- Dom 18/3/12, xia zhao  ha scritto:
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> *AOO 3.4 Overall QA Status:
>> *Based on the test plan:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Release-QA-Plan,
>> I can
>> say that the planned work are 100% done.
>> 100% IP clearance testing have been done. These are the
>> tests of areas most
>> impacted by removed/replaced modules due to IP clearance.
>> 100% general testing have been done. These are general
>> functional tests.
>>
>> *AOO 3.4 QA Weekly Status Report as of 2012/2/29 (2012/3/1 -
>> 2012/3/12):
>> *Test build: dev snapshot builds: Rev.
>> r1299571
>> Test Platforms: Windows XP SP3, Mac Lionn, Ubuntu 10.04,
>> Redhat 6.1,
>> Windows 7 SP1
>> Test Cases Executed:
>> IP Clearance: libneon replacement issue tracking
>> General testing:
>> Math formula
>> Some Base functions
>> *Interoperability automaiton testing:*
>> Tested total 1188 files with following file types:
>> (odt)|(ott)|(sxw)|(stw)|(doc)|(dot)|(ods)|(ots)|(sxc)|(stc)|(xls)|(xlt)|(odp)|(otp)|(sxi)|(sti)|(ppt)|(pot)
>>
>> The test scenarios cover:
>>
>>    - Load
>>    - Save
>>    - Reopen
>>
>> Only one issue was found, it takes too long time (at least 4
>> minutes) to
>> open one sample excel file and UI is blocked when loading.
>> OpenOffice.org
>> 3.3 has the same problem.  It's very quick using MS
>> Office. Bug i119091 was
>> raised for it. I checked the bugzilla, seems it is one known
>> issue.
>>
>> *Defects Summary*:
>> So far 360 defects raised against 3.4beta, AOO dev and
>> 3.4m0. If we count
>> the defects from 1th Aug. of last year, it means the about
>> date we call
>> "AOO 3.4", the total defects number is 271.
>> Among the 360 defects, 51 critical defects raised and 17
>> ones remain
>> opening now.
>> One great news is currently we only have 3 reamining release
>> blockers and
>> two of them need be discussed:
>>   
>> D
>> Sev▲
>> Pri▲
>> OS
>> Assignee
>> Status

Re: [RELEASE]: propose next build (RC?!) based on r1309668

[Yong Lin Ma]

How long shall we wait before we vote?


2012/4/5 Jürgen Schmidt :
> Hi,
>
> a lot of clean up work and also bugfixes were made on the way to our first
> release.
>
> The RAT output includes now only 2 files where one includes an ALv2 header.
> The other file is a left over and will be changed. A mistake!
>
> The NOTICE, LICENSE are updated which was a lot of work.
>
>
> I would like to propose a new build based on revision r1309668.
>
> Included languagues: en-US ar de cs fr es gl it ja zh-CN pt-BR nl hu ru
> zh-TW fi
>
> The languages that we had on Pootle and where most of them were already
> built for the developer snapshots.
>
> We should take a closer look on these builds and when we are satisfied with
> the quality I would like to vote on this build to be used as our first RC.
>
>
> Juergen

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) RC1

[Yong Lin Ma]

2012/4/24 Risto Jääskeläinen :
> -1 (nobody)
> For Finnish package only.
> Reason:
> http://www.saunalahti.fi/rjaaskel/Kuvat/Tulostaikkuna.jpg
> Print dialog/window is working but it is so wide that it needs two screen
> (over 2000 pixel).
> So if Finnish is dropped out now and published with next minor version if
> there is possible integrate newest translations then?  Bug is fixed in
> Pootle but correct translation is not yet in publshed package.
> I am sorry if this is not correct way of voting

Could you also try English version in your environment? This may not
be a Finnish specific issue.

>
> Regards
> Risto
> Jürgen Schmidt [jogischm...@googlemail.com] kirjoitti:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> this is a call for vote on releasing the following candidate as Apache
>> OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating). This will be the first incubator release for
>> Apache OpenOffice and a key milestone to continue the success of
>> OpenOffice.org.
>>
>>
>> This release candidate provides the following important key changes
>> compared to former OpenOffice releases:
>> (1) Code clean up to remove all copyleft components and external
>> dependencies
>> (2) Reworked or introduced LICENSE and NOTICE file to reflect and document
>> the used licenses of the code itself as well as of external 3rd party
>> libraries
>> (3) MD5, SHA1, SHA512 hashes and GPG signatures for all of artifacts
>>
>> For a detailed feature overview please see the release notes under
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/OOOUSERS/aoo-34-release-notes.html.
>>
>> The release candidate artifacts (source release, as well as binary
>> releases for 16 languages) and further information how to verify and review
>> Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating) can be found on the following wiki page:
>>
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+%28incubating%29+Release+Candidate
>>
>>
>> Please vote on releasing this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4
>> (incubating).
>>
>> The vote starts now and will be open until:
>>
>>    UTC midnight Wednesday, 25 April: 2012-04-25 24:00 UTC.
>>
>> After the vote of the PPMC the vote will start on
>> gene...@incubtor.apache.org mailing and will be open for further 72 hours.
>> But we invite all people to vote (non binding) on this RC. We would like
>> to provide a release that is supported by the majority of our project
>> members.
>>
>>    [ ] +1 Release this package as Apache OpenOffice 3.4 (incubating)
>>    [ ]  0 Don't care
>>    [ ] -1 Do not release this package because...
>>
>>
>

Re: [VOTE] Trademark and Brand

[Yong Lin Ma]

b) Apache OpenOffice
＋1



acolor...@gmail.com wrote on 11/10/2011 11:49:26 AM:

> From:
> 
> Alexandro Colorado 
> 
> To:
> 
> ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org, 
> 
> Date:
> 
> 11/10/2011 11:49 AM
> 
> Subject:
> 
> Re: [VOTE] Trademark and Brand
> 
> Sent by:
> 
> acolor...@gmail.com
> 
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Donald Harbison 
wrote:
> 
> > As promised, here's the ballot. Choose one, cast your vote.  If none 
of
> > them get more than 50% of the binding votes, we will start a ballot 
for the
> > top two contenders.
> >
> > a) Apache OpenOffice.org
> >
> 
> +1
> 
> 
> > b) Apache OpenOffice
> > c) Apache Open Office
> > d) Apache Office
> >
> > The ballot is open for a full 7 day week closing 12:00 p.m. EST ( UTC 
- 5 )
> > on Wednesday, November 16, 2011.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *Alexandro Colorado*
> *OpenOffice.org* Español
> http://es.openoffice.org
> fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6

Re: After AOO 3.4?

[Yong Lin Ma]

Agree with having a maintenance branch for traslation and critical bug fix.

It is time to unlock the code base to allow contributors to submit
improvments for later release.


On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Andrea Pescetti  wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> 1) We want to have a maintenance branch that can be used to deliver
>> quick-turnaround releases. ...
>>
>> 2) We also want feature release, like 3.5, 3.6, etc.  Almost anything
>> can go into them.  ...
>>
>> 3) Then we have major updates, like 4.0.  These are similar to #2,
>> only more substantial.
>> Was there a similar distinction made in OOo?
>
>
> Yes, quite similar. For sure here we would need a 3.4.x branch for
> incremental updates (bugfixes only) and one for 4.0 (with a major focus on
> specific new features, say, user interface and usability).
>
> The need for other releases like 3.5, 3.6... will depend on how long it
> takes to reach 4.0. If I recall correctly, OpenOffice.org used to maintain
> one stable branch (bugfixes only, explicitly backported from trunk) and one
> main development trunk.
>
> Regards,
>  Andrea.

Re: After AOO 3.4?

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 2:28 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> On 04/29/12 23:55, Juergen Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> I think it all depends on how fast we plan to release 4.0.
>>> It looks likely that merging Symophony may be easy for the
>>> IBM guys, since symphony already updated theit base OOo,
>>> so a release may be fast and the 3.x branch may be short
>>> lived. (I don't know for sure though).
>>>
>
> One thing here that I should've mentioned is that it's rather
> inconvenient that we will not have the symphony history. It
> would've made it much easier to merge features.
>

This can be discussed when the code is available.

>
>>> I think a 3.x branch does make sense in any case but the
>>> rule should be clear: no direct commits to the stable
>>> branch: in general all changes go first to the trunk
>>> and are later merged.
>>
>> I don't think so, I would do it exactly in the other direction. Fixes for
>> critical issues or issues that are assigned for a 3.4.1 should be fixed on
>> the related stable branch and also merged into trunk.
>>
>
> Well, developing an OS is different than developing an Office
> Suite but direct commits to the stable branch in my favorite
> OSS project are prohibited except for specific cases (like if
> the code disappeared from trunk already) for good reasons.
>
> For one thing we are many committers and it's easy to lose track
> if the change was merged to the trunk so it is a good policy to
> ensure consistency in the different versions.  It also keeps
> the SVN merge properties consistent. I am by no means
> a SVN expert but it's likely that using "svn merge", instead of
> "svn commit" in branches is the recommended practice.
>
> Just my $0.02,
>
> Pedro.
>

Re: Introduce

[Yong Lin Ma]

Tao,
Welcome. It was very impressive to meet your team and hear what you
are working on last month.

You may talk more here. I am sure not everyone here know about it. And
would be glad to hear that.


On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Yue Helen  wrote:
> Wonderful...with more developers in, we can do more in the next release.
>
> 2012/5/4 taotao.liu 
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I am LiuTao, glad to meet you in AOO here.
>>
>> I'm from China Standard Software Co.,Ltd. located in Beijing Haidian
>> district.
>>
>> Our team will come soon and join you. Hopefully we can do sth.
>>
>> regards,
>> LiuTao
>>
>> 2012-05-04
>>
>>
>>
>> China Standard Software Co., Ltd.     LiuTao
>> China              Phone: (+86) 010-51659955-8106
>>
>> http://www.cs2c.com.cn
>> http://modularization.openoffice.org
>> mailto:taotao@cs2c.com.cn
>>

Re: Hi I hava a question about how to use VBA language on the Linux

[Yong Lin Ma]

Do you mean open a .xls file which contains VBA in AOO3.4 on Linux?

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:26 PM, 史周波  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am researching how port the App for windows to Linux.
> I meet a question about how to use the VBA language in AOO on the Linux?
>
> Regards.
>
> robertzhou

Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?

[Yong Lin Ma]

Anyone can tell how the UX team in OO.o work ? Is it a group of
designers or a mix of designers and developers?

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Yue Helen  wrote:
> 2012/5/4 Jürgen Schmidt 
>
>> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>>
>>
>> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you already
>> have started)
>>
>>
>>
>>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>>
>>
>> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
>> to LibreOffice.
>>
>>
>>
>>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the future.
>>
>> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>>
>
> Agree with Juergen.  We can start from the people we have now in the
> community, and plan for the future. UX design is very important for an
> office product. We need to build design input into our development
> activities.
>
> Helen
>
>
>> Juergen
>>

Re: Introduce

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
 wrote:
> On 5/4/12 9:55 AM, taotao@cs2c.com.cn wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>  Ok,Yong lin,
>>
>>  we (CS2C team) discussed with IBM team last month and
>> have done much prepare work. mainly in communication and coordination.
>
>
> it was indeed interesting to meet you in China and it seems fruitful as
> well. You are here on the list now. A very warm welcome.
>
> We met cs2c to explain how Apache and especially how Apache OpenOffice works
> and that all project relevant communication should take place on the mailing
> list.
>
>
>> There is no progress in development in last month.
>
> you mean no progress in AOO? That was because of our stabilization phase for
> our upcoming 3.4 release. We were in show-stopper mode!
>

I don't think Tao is talking about AOO progress here.
To everybody, it may take time for you to get used to the way we use English .
But,  when you get suspicious, please don't hesitate to ask here.

>
>> from now on , we began
>> to adapt Apache to start planning and will contribute after June.
>
> we are looking forward to your ideas and the discussion with you about new
> features, enhancements etc. here on the list.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
>>  We are
>> interested in many area as follows:
>>
>>  1. UOF format (We have a plan to
>> open the source code)
>>
>>  2. Chinese localization. (We are willing to do the
>> translation and release version)
>>
>>  3. we also have a plan to solve the
>> compatibility issues, may be in OOXML aspect.
>>
>>  4. ...
>>
>>  5. ...
>>
>> On
>> 13:45, Yong Lin Ma  写到:
>>
>> Tao, Welcome. It was very impressive to meet
>> your team and hear what you are working on last month. You may talk more
>> here. I am sure not everyone here know about it. And would be glad to hear
>> that. On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Yue Helen wrote:>  Wonderful...with
>> more developers in, we can do more in the next release.>  >  2012/5/4
>> taotao.liu>  >>  Hello all,>>  >>  I am LiuTao, glad to meet you in AOO
>> here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm from China Standard Software Co.,Ltd. located in Beijing Haidian
>>>>
>>>> district.>>  >>  Our team will come soon and join you. Hopefully we can
>>
>> do sth.>>  >>  regards,>>  LiuTao>>  >>  2012-05-04>>  >>  >>  >>  China
>> Standard Software Co., Ltd. LiuTao>>  China Phone: (+86) 010-51659955-8106
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cs2c.com.cn>>  http://modularization.openoffice.org>>
>>
>> mailto:taotao@cs2c.com.cn>>
>
>

Re: Hi I hava a question about how to use VBA language on the Linux

[Yong Lin Ma]

As far as I know, only VBA import is supported in AOO 3.4.  Since VBA
export is not supported, I don't think you can edit it by far.
All these should be platform independent.

There is wiki for VBA support in
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/VBA_interoperability_in_OpenOffice



On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:26 AM, 史周波  wrote:
>
>> I am researching how port the App for windows to Linux.
>> I meet a question about how to use the VBA language in AOO on the Linux?
>>
>
> OpenOffice Basic is a programming language similar to Microsoft Visual
> Basic for Applications (VBA) but based on StarOffice Basic.
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/api/basic/man/tutorial/tutorial.pdf
>
> FC
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
> act
> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
> Revolucionario
> - George Orwell

Re: [User Experience] - What is the status of the user experience project?

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Peter Junge  wrote:
> On 5/4/2012 5:40 PM, Yong Lin Ma wrote:
>>
>> Anyone can tell how the UX team in OO.o work ? Is it a group of
>> designers or a mix of designers and developers?
>
>
> The team was a mixture of many volunteers with many different backgrounds
> and a couple of product managers that were on the payroll of Oracle/Sun.
>

Thank you, Peter.
That was also what I thought. We need contributors who willing to help
to implement designer's idea here.

>
>>
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Yue Helen  wrote:
>>>
>>> 2012/5/4 Jürgen Schmidt
>>>
>>>> On 5/4/12 6:15 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have an update on the status of the AOO user experience
>>>>> project? See http://www.openoffice.org/ux/ for current information.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it is stalled and is waiting on reactivation ;-) (that you
>>>> already
>>>> have started)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Are Frank Leohmann and Christoph Noack still involved?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I assume Frank has a new job and isn't active anymore and Christoph went
>>>> to LibreOffice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How might we validate the names of UX community as found on:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.services.**openoffice.org/wiki/User_**Experience/Community<http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User_Experience/Community>
>>>>> ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I would not spent too much time on this and would focus only on the
>>>> future.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with such pages is that they are always outdated.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agree with Juergen.  We can start from the people we have now in the
>>> community, and plan for the future. UX design is very important for an
>>> office product. We need to build design input into our development
>>> activities.
>>>
>>> Helen
>>>
>>>
>>>> Juergen
>>>>
>

Re: hi

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
> Hi all
> I raised earlier off list the idea of (re-)forming a language group focused 
> on ZH localization and operating to support Chinese speakers and those based 
> in Beijing (or wherever it makes sense).  We did this in OOo, and it worked 
> …not as well as any of us would have liked. But that was because a single 
> company dominated--a less than desirable situation.
>

Yes, other than covered by different license, not dominated by a
single company is the major difference between AOO and OO.o.


> The idea, this time around, would be to have members of CS2C, IBM and other 
> organizations (and I can think of a few) to have a place to coordinate, 
> learn, communicate in Chinese while also working with the Apache OO lists in 
> English. Localization would be essential. (ZH in China differs from that used 
> in TW; that can be accommodated: this is a linguistic effort, mostly.)

It would be not necessary, if this is just for IBM and CS2C teams in
Beijing. Cause it would be more effective for the two teams to have
conference calls or meet in person.

More importantly, CS2C team can contribute a lot more than UOF and CJK
areas if they will. There is no way someone get limited in certain
areas as long as he or she can prove to be qualified.  At the
beginning of this project, we discussed something about setting
project leaders as it was in OO.o. But that is not how things work in
Apache.

Share two important aspect of Apache Way I get in mind.

Contributors need prove themselves by contribution.
Committer needs get mutual agreement within community before they
commit any major changes in project.

I think these are the keys to ensure the project can grow in a healthy way.



>
> I know that there are others, of course, who are doing this sort of 
> localization effort. My interest lies in developing ecosystems and learning 
> groups that can sustain the efforts.
>
> Louis
>
>
> On 2012-05-04, at 02:01 , Peter Junge wrote:
>
>> Hi Xu Shanchuan,
>>
>> I'm pleased to also meet you here.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 5/4/2012 11:35 AM, 许山川 wrote:
>>> hi,all
>>> I am working for the company,China Standard Software Co., Ltd now,
>>> Untill now my work mainly covers the SD modules,including
>>> the doucument of ppt asynchronism loading and fixing bugs of impress
>>> I have several years of experiences in this domain ,and have a strong
>>> willing to participate AOOo community.
>>> Best Regards,
>>> 2012-05-04
>>> 
>>> China Standard Software Co., Ltd. Shanchuan Xu
>>> hone: (+86) 010-51659955-8110
>>
>

Re: hi

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 10:02 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> On 4 May 2012 09:52, Yong Lin Ma  wrote:
>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 9:17 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> I raised earlier off list the idea of (re-)forming a language group focused 
>>> on ZH localization and operating to support Chinese speakers and those 
>>> based in Beijing (or wherever it makes sense).  We did this in OOo, and it 
>>> worked …not as well as any of us would have liked. But that was because a 
>>> single company dominated--a less than desirable situation.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, other than covered by different license, not dominated by a
>> single company is the major difference between AOO and OO.o.
>>
>>
>>> The idea, this time around, would be to have members of CS2C, IBM and other 
>>> organizations (and I can think of a few) to have a place to coordinate, 
>>> learn, communicate in Chinese while also working with the Apache OO lists 
>>> in English. Localization would be essential. (ZH in China differs from that 
>>> used in TW; that can be accommodated: this is a linguistic effort, mostly.)
>>
>> It would be not necessary, if this is just for IBM and CS2C teams in
>> Beijing. Cause it would be more effective for the two teams to have
>> conference calls or meet in person.
>
> 
>
> I don't exactly disagree with you but I was unclear. I did not mean to
> usurp the Apache Way or the merits of being a commiter nor the path by
> which one becomes one. Rather, I wanted to avoid the problem facing
> the establishment of regional and linguistic groups. That problem is
> having one or even two companies dominate the effort. Sometimes that's
> unavoidable. But if it can be the case that other companies and
> organizations can be involved, then great. And if such involvement is
> made more likely by having publicly accessible informational projects,
> which are open to all comers and which *do not* usurp the Apache Way
> but rather supplement it, then, as far as I can tell, that's good.
> (Indeed, having conference calls between one company and another seems
> to reinscribe the problem of having one company dominate, and it
> further turns a linguistic effort into a very localized one that's
> also exclusive.)
>

Louis,
Thank you for the clarification. When I say conference  call here, I
mean call between contributors instead of companies. And it is only
for speeding up communication and not for making important decisions in private.

And I don't worry about an Apache project may get dominated by single
company, due to the diversity requirement on PPMC members.
I am  new to ASF. Maybe someone know examples that Apache project got
dominated and failed.


> Again: Not to usurp, diminish, alter the way in which one becomes a
> committer but to open the doors even wider and to engage regionally
> and linguistically  all those who might wish to join.
>
> Ciao
> Louis

Build error on Mac for ucb/source/ucp/webdav...

[Yong Lin Ma]

I am using Mac OS X 10.6...


The build almost end, then I got error below



Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/DateTimeHelper.cxx
Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/UCBDeadPropertyValue.cxx
Making:ucpdav.lib
Making:_ucpdav.lib
cp ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map.exported-symbols
../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map
Making:libucpdav1.dylib
/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solenv/bin/checkdll.sh
-L../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib
-L/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib
../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib
Checking DLL ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib ...: ERROR:
dlopen(../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib, 2): Library not
loaded: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libexpat.0.dylib
  Referenced from:
/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib
  Reason: image not found
dmake:  Error code 1, while making '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib'
dmake:  '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' removed.
ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/ucb/source/ucp/webdav


Configure command I used

./configure --disable-odk --disable-mozilla --disable-qadevooo
--enable-category-b
--with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2";
--with-epm-url="http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz";
--without-junit--enable-minimizer --enable-presenter-console
--enable-wiki-publisher


Thank you.

Re: A wiki about how to support a VBA API

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 9:51 AM, Claudio Filho  wrote:
> Hi
>
> 2012/5/3 Rob Weir :
>> We have VBA support in Symphony.  It looks like the Symphony
>> developers are starting to add some technical documentation about the
>> features they added to Symphony, beyond what is in OOo.
>
> Rob, a curiousity: this support is a translation from VBA to OOo Basic
> or other language? Or other thing?

VBA support means support to VBA script in MS document, especially in
excel documents.
It is not translation from VBA to OOo Basic.  But Star Basic script
engine is reused and VBA script is mapping to UNO API instead of
Star Basic.

VBA support includes correctly open and execute VBA script in a MS
document, editing and save back the VBA script in a MS document.
Things are also different for MS document binary format and 2007/2010 format.

>
> And, i'm not sure if i understood, but this expertise in Symphony will
> migrate to AOO?
>

This is just a wiki to clarify the VBA support status in AOO3.4. Chen
Peng is an expertise on VBA and OO.o programability from Symphony
team. But he is not a AOO committer yet. If he want to do anything
significant on VBA for AOO, he needs post his idea/plan in AOO wiki
first.

> Best,
> Claudio

Re: Build error on Mac for ucb/source/ucp/webdav...

[Yong Lin Ma]

This is related with "--disable-odk".   The build is completed, once I
removed it and pull the latest source code.

On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Yong Lin Ma  wrote:
> I am using Mac OS X 10.6...
>
>
> The build almost end, then I got error below
>
>
>
> Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/DateTimeHelper.cxx
> Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/UCBDeadPropertyValue.cxx
> Making:    ucpdav.lib
> Making:    _ucpdav.lib
> cp ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map.exported-symbols
> ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map
> Making:    libucpdav1.dylib
> /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solenv/bin/checkdll.sh
> -L../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib
> -L/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib
> ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib
> Checking DLL ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib ...: ERROR:
> dlopen(../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib, 2): Library not
> loaded: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libexpat.0.dylib
>  Referenced from:
> /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib
>  Reason: image not found
> dmake:  Error code 1, while making 
> '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib'
> dmake:  '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' removed.
> ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
> /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/ucb/source/ucp/webdav
>
>
> Configure command I used
>
> ./configure  --disable-mozilla --disable-qadevooo
> --enable-category-b
> --with-dmake-url="http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2";
> --with-epm-url="http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz";
> --without-junit--enable-minimizer --enable-presenter-console
> --enable-wiki-publisher
>
>
> Thank you.

Re: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Maho NAKATA  wrote:
> Hi
>
> To take responsibility, wiki page has been updated.
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Distribution+Tasks
>
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage
>
> could you please tell me which and how to update web page?
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/ja/ ?
> http://ja.openoffice.org/ ?
> but how?

These two links should be mapped to the same place.
>
> I can checkout svn
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/
> but I couldn't find ...

https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/ooo-site/trunk/content/ja/
You should work from here.

>
> thanks
>  Nakata Maho
>
> From: Maho NAKATA 
> Subject: Re: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week
> Date: Tue, 08 May 2012 14:48:26 +0900 (JST)
>
>> Hi
>>
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage
>> I'll update Japanese NL page.
>>
>> thanks
>>  Nakata Maho
>>
>> From: Rob Weir 
>> Subject: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week
>> Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:41:29 -0400
>>
>>> The following tasks are on the wiki and need owners:
>>>
>>>
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Arabic NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Czech NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the German NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Spanish NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the French NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Hungarian NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Galacian NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Italian NL homepage and
>>> subpages (pescetti)
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Dutch NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Brazilian NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Russian NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Simplified Chinese NL homepage
>>> Manually update the downloads from the Traditional Chinese NL homepage
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Distribution+Tasks
>>>
>>> Only one of them has an owner (Thanks, Andrea!)
>>>
>>> What needs to be done?
>>>
>>> We need someone to review these NL pages and identify what needs to be
>>> changed to support the AOO 3..4 release.
>>>
>>> Changes to consider:
>>>
>>> 1) Branding changes (OpenOffice.org -> Apache OpenOffice)
>>>
>>> 2) Updates to download location,  for the 3.4 releases instead of the
>>> 3.3 release
>>>
>>> 3) References to the old LGPL license need to be changed to Apache 2.0 
>>> License
>>>
>>> 4) References to old NLC email addresses, marketing leads, etc., need
>>> to be replaced by the new Apache email lists.
>>>
>>> 5) Other similar changes.
>>>
>>> You don't need to do a complete rewrite of the pages.  But we should
>>> "refresh" the page with information on the AOO 3.4 release.
>>>
>>> Timeline looks like this:
>>>
>>> -- Wednesday May 2nd -- Vote ends on approving the 3.4 release
>>>
>>> -- Thursday-Friday -- Update the mirrors with the release, test the
>>> new download websites.
>>>
>>> -- Over the weekend, additional website updates and testing
>>>
>>> -- Monday or Tuesday, if everything is working well, then we make
>>> public announcement
>>>
>>>
>>> So ideally we would have the NL website updates done at the end of
>>> this week.   However, we should not make them be live on the
>>> production server until after the mirrors are populated.  Maybe
>>> easiest way to coordinate is to submit patches for the changes into
>>> BZ?
>>>
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>> Any volunteers?
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>

Re: Volunteers needed: To update NL download pages later this week

[Yong Lin Ma]

I am taking care of Simple Chinese site. iamcat already updated the
download page.

I also update the index. But don't know how long it will take for the
website get refreshed for the changes.

Still need update nav.js to refer to Apache 2.0 License.

On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> The following tasks are on the wiki and need owners:
>
>
> Manually update the downloads from the Arabic NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Czech NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the German NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Spanish NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the French NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Hungarian NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Galacian NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Italian NL homepage and
> subpages (pescetti)
> Manually update the downloads from the Japanese NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Dutch NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Brazilian NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Russian NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Simplified Chinese NL homepage
> Manually update the downloads from the Traditional Chinese NL homepage
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+3.4+Distribution+Tasks
>
> Only one of them has an owner (Thanks, Andrea!)
>
> What needs to be done?
>
> We need someone to review these NL pages and identify what needs to be
> changed to support the AOO 3..4 release.
>
> Changes to consider:
>
> 1) Branding changes (OpenOffice.org -> Apache OpenOffice)
>
> 2) Updates to download location,  for the 3.4 releases instead of the
> 3.3 release
>
> 3) References to the old LGPL license need to be changed to Apache 2.0 License
>
> 4) References to old NLC email addresses, marketing leads, etc., need
> to be replaced by the new Apache email lists.
>
> 5) Other similar changes.
>
> You don't need to do a complete rewrite of the pages.  But we should
> "refresh" the page with information on the AOO 3.4 release.
>
> Timeline looks like this:
>
> -- Wednesday May 2nd -- Vote ends on approving the 3.4 release
>
> -- Thursday-Friday -- Update the mirrors with the release, test the
> new download websites.
>
> -- Over the weekend, additional website updates and testing
>
> -- Monday or Tuesday, if everything is working well, then we make
> public announcement
>
>
> So ideally we would have the NL website updates done at the end of
> this week.   However, we should not make them be live on the
> production server until after the mirrors are populated.  Maybe
> easiest way to coordinate is to submit patches for the changes into
> BZ?
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> Any volunteers?
>
> -Rob

Re: [CODE] need review for issue 119308

[Yong Lin Ma]

For boost/prj/d.lst, how about replacing

mkdir: %_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional
mkdir: %_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional\detail
mkdir: %_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional
mkdir: %_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional\hash
mkdir: %_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional\hash\detail
mkdir: %_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\integer
..\%__SRC%\misc\build\boost_1_39_0\boost\integer\*
%_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\integer
..\%__SRC%\misc\build\boost_1_39_0\boost\functional\*
%_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional
..\%__SRC%\misc\build\boost_1_39_0\boost\functional\hash\*
%_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional\hash
..\%__SRC%\misc\build\boost_1_39_0\boost\functional\hash\detail\*
%_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost\functional\hash\detail

 with:

dos: sh -c "cp -r ..\%__SRC%\misc\build\boost_1_39_0\boost\integer
%_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost"
dos: sh -c "cp -r ..\%__SRC%\misc\build\boost_1_39_0\boost\functional
%_DEST%\inc%_EXT%\boost"


On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Andre Fischer  wrote:
> On 05.05.2012 08:51, eric b wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can someone review the patch I attached to the issue ?
>> See: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119308
>
>
> I did not compile it, but the patch looks good.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Andre
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Eric
>>
>

Re: The file directory of the source code is organized?

[Yong Lin Ma]

I don't known such a description exist. But most can be figured out by names.

mac, unx, win are usually for platform dependent content.




On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 8:06 AM, jianlizhao  wrote:
> The file directory of the source code is organized?
>
>
>
> For example, the document processing module sw directory as follows:
> inc  a header file
> src  ---a resource file
> source   ---the source file
> sdi  ---message map
>
> mac
> prj
> util
> win
> xml
>
>
>
> What are the advantages of such organization file directory？
>
>
>
> My question is  a description of these directories is described in which
> file？
>

Re: Build error on Mac for ucb/source/ucp/webdav...

[Yong Lin Ma]

Thank you for the update.

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Chao Huang  wrote:
> It' OK to build R1337092 with "--disable-odk" on Mac. Thanks!
>
> 2012/5/8 Chao Huang 
>
>> Thanks Juergen.
>>
>> I will get the latest source code and launch a full build with configure
>> switch "--disable-odk".
>>
>>
>>
>> 2012/5/8 Juergen Schmidt 
>>
>>> On Tuesday, 8. May 2012 at 05:22, Chao Huang wrote:
>>> > Does it mean that "--disable-odk" is not workable on Mac platform?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> No
>>>
>>> Juergen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2012/5/8 Yong Lin Ma 
>>> >
>>> > > This is related with "--disable-odk". The build is completed, once I
>>> > > removed it and pull the latest source code.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Yong Lin Ma 
>>> wrote:
>>> > > > I am using Mac OS X 10.6...
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > The build almost end, then I got error below
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/DateTimeHelper.cxx
>>> > > > Compiling: ucb/source/ucp/webdav/UCBDeadPropertyValue.cxx
>>> > > > Making: ucpdav.lib
>>> > > > Making: _ucpdav.lib
>>> > > > cp ../../../
>>> unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map.exported-symbols
>>> > > > ../../../unxmacxi.pro/misc/component_ucpdav1.map
>>> > > > Making: libucpdav1.dylib
>>> > > > /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solenv/bin/checkdll.sh
>>> > > > -L../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib
>>> > > > -L/Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/unxmacxi.pro/lib
>>> > > > ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib
>>> > > > Checking DLL ../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib ...: ERROR:
>>> > > > dlopen(../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib, 2): Library not
>>> > > > loaded: /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > unxmacxi.pro/lib/libexpat.0.dylib
>>> > > > Referenced from:
>>> > > > /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/solver/340/
>>> unxmacxi.pro/lib/libaprutil-1.0.dylib
>>> > > > Reason: image not found
>>> > > > dmake: Error code 1, while making '../../../
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > > unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib'
>>> > > > dmake: '../../../unxmacxi.pro/lib/libucpdav1.dylib' removed.
>>> > > > ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making
>>> > > > /Volumes/Mac/ooo/main/ucb/source/ucp/webdav
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Configure command I used
>>> > > >
>>> > > > ./configure --disable-mozilla --disable-qadevooo
>>> > > > --enable-category-b
>>> > > > --with-dmake-url="
>>> > > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.1.tar.bz2";
>>> > > > --with-epm-url="
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> http://ftp.funet.fi/pub/mirrors/ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
>>> > > "
>>> > > > --without-junit--enable-minimizer --enable-presenter-console
>>> > > > --enable-wiki-publisher
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Thank you.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Chao Huang
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Chao Huang
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Chao Huang

Re: Another special Thanks for the Apache infra structure team

[Yong Lin Ma]

＋1

Erik Ma

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Peter Junge  wrote:
> Thanks a lot to the Infra Team for the huge amount of work.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 5/10/2012 11:26 PM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> before we (the AOO project) move on with future work (and we have a lot
>> in front of us) I would nevertheless send a big THANK YOU to the infra
>> structure team.
>>
>> The infra team had a lot of extra work with our project because of our
>> additional and special requirements to migrate a very huge existing
>> infra structure to Apache. This important piece of work is often not
>> mentioned but was a very huge task in our project over the last 10 month
>> and the infra structure team have supported us very well. Thanks to all
>> who was involved here.
>>
>> We have learned from each other and we as project has benefit from the
>> collaboration with the infra team. And I am sure we will in the future
>> as well.
>>
>>  From a project perspective we will hopefully be able to find more
>> volunteers who are able to support the infra team/project with future
>> and further maintenance work related to specific things for our project
>> but also to support infra in general.
>>
>> Thanks to all
>>
>> Juergen
>>
>> PS: I don't know how many beers I have to pay when we are hopefully can
>> meet in person in the near future ;-)
>
>

Re: [ANNOUNCE] IBM SGA/CCLA Submitted for Symphony Source Code Contribution

[Yong Lin Ma]

I created an overview wiki page for the contribution.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony

This will be updated for the latest progress of the effort.


On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Shenfeng Liu  wrote:
> Though MDI is not in the current Symphony contributed code, but if people
> really like it, I suggest we to think about how to make it in AOO, maybe
> 4.0 or later...
>
> - Simon
>
> 2012/5/17 zhangjf 
>
>>  On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Alexander Thurgood
>>  wrote:
>> > Le 16/05/12 09:26, Yue Helen a écrit :
>> >
>> > Hi Helen Yue,
>> >
>> >>
>> >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution
>> >>
>> >> Here you can find a document to describe what's inside this code
>> >> contribution, by highlighting some additional features beyond what's in
>> >> Apache OpenOffice 3.4. The feature list includes enhancements on
>> >> performance, usability, functionality, interoperability, as well as
>> >> globalization, accessibility and more.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > I actually really like the MDI UI and the context-based dockable
>> > properties panes.
>> >
>> >
>> > Alex
>> >
>>
>> The MDI feature is not included in the contributed code, while the
>> sidebar feature is in. The MDI feature in fact is from another product
>> IBM Lotus Expeditor which Symphony is integrated on.
>>
>> zhangjf
>>



-- 
Erik Ma

Re: Resigning from PPMC

[Yong Lin Ma]

Is this due to "french website management"?

Eric, I knew your name quite a couple of years ago, because of your
work on Mac porting.
So I am really glad to see you here again when the project started.

Your contribution is well known in community. Please think twice for
the resignment.




On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:00 PM, eric b  wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> After what happened, please consider I'm resigning form PPMC.
>
> Please remove my commit rights, and my name from everywhere on the Apache
> site, and forget I could write code for you.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Eric Bachard
>
> --
> qɔᴉɹə
> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>
>
>
>
>



-- 
Erik Ma

Re: [ANNOUNCE] IBM SGA/CCLA Submitted for Symphony Source Code Contribution

[Yong Lin Ma]

The Male Merge interface is implemented in Java. So it is not part of
the contribution. In this code base, the mail merge function was
updated with OO.o 3.x code.


On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Graham Lauder  wrote:
>> Though MDI is not in the current Symphony contributed code, but if people
>> really like it, I suggest we to think about how to make it in AOO, maybe
>> 4.0 or later...
>>
>> - Simon
>
> My hands are up for another lover of Symphony's MDI...  :)
>
> One of the other cool things in Symphony that I would love to see in AOO, is
> Symphony's Mail Merge interface.  Is that part of the contribution?
>
> Cheer
> GL
>
>
>>
>> 2012/5/17 zhangjf 
>>
>> >  On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Alexander Thurgood
>> >
>> >  wrote:
>> > > Le 16/05/12 09:26, Yue Helen a écrit :
>> > >
>> > > Hi Helen Yue,
>> > >
>> > >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Contribution
>> > >>
>> > >> Here you can find a document to describe what's inside this code
>> > >> contribution, by highlighting some additional features beyond what's
>> > >> in Apache OpenOffice 3.4. The feature list includes enhancements on
>> > >> performance, usability, functionality, interoperability, as well as
>> > >> globalization, accessibility and more.
>> > >
>> > > I actually really like the MDI UI and the context-based dockable
>> > > properties panes.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Alex
>> >
>> > The MDI feature is not included in the contributed code, while the
>> > sidebar feature is in. The MDI feature in fact is from another product
>> > IBM Lotus Expeditor which Symphony is integrated on.
>> >
>> > zhangjf



-- 
Erik Ma

Re: [UX] New AOO User Experience Community

[Yong Lin Ma]

This is a good start.

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Kevin Grignon
 wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I'm pleased to announce that we have established a new AOO user experience
> community. Watch
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice_User_Experiencefor
> updates.
>

I open the page. It is displayed in a mix of Japanese and English characters.

> If you're passionate about designing and developing great software, then
> AOO UX would welcome your support. Please show your support and share you
> UX interests on the AOO UX community members list. Visit
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_User_Experience_Community_Membersto
> sign up.
>
> AOO UX community seeks to understand who uses AOO and what it means in
> their life. Let's work together to enhance the existing products, and
> design our future products.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> AOO User Experience Design



-- 
Erik Ma

Re: about souce code of write insert a picture ?

[Yong Lin Ma]

Here is the AOO dev guide you could look into.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/DevGuide

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:07 PM, jianlizhao  wrote:
> Hello  Jim Cheng:
>
> Thanks you replay.
>
> Could I find a example of openoffice secondary development, programming
> language use C++ language , the example Achieve Function
> 1)  dialog box
> 2)  Click the button on the dialog box display "hello world".
>
> Where can I download the example program?
>
>



-- 
Erik Ma

Re: [UX] New AOO User Experience Community

[Yong Lin Ma]

Thank you. I get it. The second page should be

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_User_Experience_Community_Members

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
> Hi Yong Lin Ma,
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice_User_Experience
>
> Try to open the page above.
> :)
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Yong Lin Ma  wrote:
>> This is a good start.
>>
>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Kevin Grignon
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> I'm pleased to announce that we have established a new AOO user experience
>>> community. Watch
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice_User_Experiencefor
>>> updates.
>>>
>>
>> I open the page. It is displayed in a mix of Japanese and English characters.
>>
>>> If you're passionate about designing and developing great software, then
>>> AOO UX would welcome your support. Please show your support and share you
>>> UX interests on the AOO UX community members list. Visit
>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_User_Experience_Community_Membersto
>>> sign up.
>>>
>>> AOO UX community seeks to understand who uses AOO and what it means in
>>> their life. Let's work together to enhance the existing products, and
>>> design our future products.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>> AOO User Experience Design
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Erik Ma
>
>
>
> --
> khir...@apache.org
> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/



-- 
Erik Ma

Re: [UX] New AOO User Experience Community

[Yong Lin Ma]

May I suggest remove the "Affiliation" column in member page? People
can talk about that in "About me" if they like.


On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Yong Lin Ma  wrote:
> Thank you. I get it. The second page should be
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_User_Experience_Community_Members
>
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Kazunari Hirano  wrote:
>> Hi Yong Lin Ma,
>>
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice_User_Experience
>>
>> Try to open the page above.
>> :)
>>
>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Yong Lin Ma  wrote:
>>> This is a good start.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Kevin Grignon
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>>
>>>> I'm pleased to announce that we have established a new AOO user experience
>>>> community. Watch
>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Apache_OpenOffice_User_Experiencefor
>>>> updates.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I open the page. It is displayed in a mix of Japanese and English 
>>> characters.
>>>
>>>> If you're passionate about designing and developing great software, then
>>>> AOO UX would welcome your support. Please show your support and share you
>>>> UX interests on the AOO UX community members list. Visit
>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/AOO_User_Experience_Community_Membersto
>>>> sign up.
>>>>
>>>> AOO UX community seeks to understand who uses AOO and what it means in
>>>> their life. Let's work together to enhance the existing products, and
>>>> design our future products.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Kevin
>>>>
>>>> AOO User Experience Design
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Erik Ma
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> khir...@apache.org
>> Apache OpenOffice (incubating)
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>
>
>
> --
> Erik Ma



-- 
Erik Ma

Re: Please review trial load of Symphony dumpfile

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
 wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:28:39PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> The JIRA issue for loading the Symphony dump is here:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4799
>>
>> Daniel made a test load of the dump file here:
>> https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/
>>
>> It would be great if someone can (maybe from the Symphony team) can do
>> a check out and verify that this is correct. And if anyone sees any
>> problems, please speak up now.
>
> I couldn't pass configure.
> Missing main/sdext, missing ext_source, ext_libraries, etc.
> So, either it is missing several peaces, either one is not supposed to
> build this (?).
>
> If the source is buildable, then instruction on how to build this will
> be very welcome.
>

You can find the build guide and other stuff for the code base from
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony

We are pulling the source off and do verification.
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina



-- 
Regards

Erik Ma

Re: Please review trial load of Symphony dumpfile

[Yong Lin Ma]

As far as I know, the Sun LGPL should be OK in this stage.

There is a IBM SGA which describes all kinds of license includes in
the contribution.


On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
 wrote:
> I did a quick look.
>
> There appears to be a great deal of IP cleanup required, particularly Sun 
> LGPL notices.  It is good that this is going to be in a separate subtree of 
> the incubator/ooo/ SVN starting out.
>
> I have no way to comment on the completeness or accuracy of the materials, of 
> course.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org]
> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 15:29
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Please review trial load of Symphony dumpfile
>
> The JIRA issue for loading the Symphony dump is here:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4799
>
> Daniel made a test load of the dump file here:
> https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/
>
> It would be great if someone can (maybe from the Symphony team) can do
> a check out and verify that this is correct. And if anyone sees any
> problems, please speak up now.
>
> Discussion here, but if we get a couple of +1's someone should update
> the JIRA issue to give the go-ahead.  I'm traveling tomorrow so I will
> not be able to do this.
>
> -Rob
>



-- 
Regards

Erik Ma

Re: Please review trial load of Symphony dumpfile

[Yong Lin Ma]

Yeah, we integrated most enhancement/changes from AOO3.4.  Especially
those copyleft module cleanup work. We thought it is mandatory
requirement of contribution.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I looked at it briefly and it was nice to see it already
> has some of the AOO 3.4 enhancements. I also noticed icu
> has been updated which is great.
>
> This is very exciting ... thanks IBM!
>
> Pedro.
>
> --- Dom 20/5/12, Rob Weir  ha scritto:
>
>> The JIRA issue for loading the
>> Symphony dump is here:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4799
>>
>> Daniel made a test load of the dump file here:
>> https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/
>>
>> It would be great if someone can (maybe from the Symphony
>> team) can do
>> a check out and verify that this is correct. And if anyone
>> sees any
>> problems, please speak up now.
>>
>> Discussion here, but if we get a couple of +1's someone
>> should update
>> the JIRA issue to give the go-ahead.  I'm traveling
>> tomorrow so I will
>> not be able to do this.
>>
>> -Rob
>>



-- 
Regards

Erik Ma

Re: [BUILD] How to clean my last build

[Yong Lin Ma]

Quote from Armin's reply to [Build] Problem in SVX

"This can be done in several ways, I usually rm -rf
trunk/main/solver* and rm -rf trunk/main/*/wntmsci12* (for windows,
corresponding for other plattforms)."

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Kayo Hamid  wrote:
> Someone can show me the trick to clean my last build?
>
> Thanks,
> Kayo Hamid



-- 
Regards

Erik Ma

Re: about openoffice insert the picture?

[Yong Lin Ma]

Jianli,
I barely know what you are talking about. I think you are asking how
"insert a picture into a
writer document" works. Which function is involved in this process and
some details like
how the data model will be updated.

There are many ways you can find this out. My suggestions is
1, Make a debug build
2, New a writer document in AOO
3, Pop up the "Inster picture from file" dialog
4, Pause it within debuger and take a look at the stacks. Then you can
start from there.

And JianLi, it would be more effective if you can find someone review
your message
before post it here. No one can help you, if they don't understand your post.



On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 4:41 AM, jianlizhao  wrote:
> Hello  ,
> I ask some question as below:
>
> 1) The code of insert the picture in which directory,
> 2) On the main menu, select Insert > Picture > From File ..., this process
> are related to those files?
> 3) bmp picture how way save to SwNoTxtNode
>
>    Best Regards!
>



-- 
Regards

Erik Ma

Re: Please review trial load of Symphony dumpfile

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> Hi Yong Lin Ma;
>
>
> On 05/21/12 00:29, Yong Lin Ma wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, we integrated most enhancement/changes from AOO3.4.  Especially
>> those copyleft module cleanup work. We thought it is mandatory
>> requirement of contribution.
>
>
> I noticed the idlc preprocessor is still there so I guess some
> special care is still required before taking code from there.
>

Yeah, you are right. idlc preprocessor is still there. But it won't
impact the contribution from legal perspective. Thank you for point
this out.

> I am pretty sure there are many small changes that are
> difficult to sort out without the revision history but is perfectly
> understandable that some information there is rather private.
> All in all it's pretty familiar if one knows the way around the
> code :).
>
> cheers,
>
> Pedro.
>
>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi;
>>>
>>> I looked at it briefly and it was nice to see it already
>>> has some of the AOO 3.4 enhancements. I also noticed icu
>>> has been updated which is great.
>>>
>>> This is very exciting ... thanks IBM!
>>>
>>> Pedro.
>>>
>>> --- Dom 20/5/12, Rob Weir  ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> The JIRA issue for loading the
>>>> Symphony dump is here:
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4799
>>>>
>>>> Daniel made a test load of the dump file here:
>>>> https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if someone can (maybe from the Symphony
>>>> team) can do
>>>> a check out and verify that this is correct. And if anyone
>>>> sees any
>>>> problems, please speak up now.
>>>>
>>>> Discussion here, but if we get a couple of +1's someone
>>>> should update
>>>> the JIRA issue to give the go-ahead.  I'm traveling
>>>> tomorrow so I will
>>>> not be able to do this.
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
Regards

Erik Ma

Re: Please review trial load of Symphony dumpfile

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:14 PM, drew  wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-05-22 at 15:29 +0800, zhangjf wrote:
>> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 5:23 PM, drew  wrote:
>> > On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 10:30 +0800, zhangjf wrote:
>> >> Some 3rd party codes are not included in this repository, such as
>> >> ext_libraries, ext_sources, but they are required to build the code
>> >> base. And some extension modules are not included in Symphony code
>> >> base since they are not used in Symphony, such as binfilter, xpdf...
>> >> After the repository is loaded into right svn location, we will
>> >> complement the code base for buildable purpose by moving some stuffs
>> >> from AOO3.4. Please monitor the build guide in
>> >> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony.
>> >>
>> >> zhangjf
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for the build files available there - I installed
>> > the deb package earlier tonight, will put together some short
>> > screencapture videos as I look over, play with the trial work - my first
>> > impression is very positive..
>> > https://plus.google.com/photos/111286111779516013881/albums/5744902446191626369?authkey=COaE18DI05rmJg
>> >
>> > I took a wild guess at your name as here, so sorry if that is way off,
>> > and I _would_ mix in a correction :)
>>
>> That's fine. The video is very interesting, I like the background
>> music.  And welcome more feedback.
>
> Thanks - I'm a little confused by what I'm looking at here. Is the main
> reason for this to review IP clearance?
>

Are you asking what is this post for?  It is not for IP clearance
review. But you may ask if you get concern about that.


> The merge of the user interface changes, seems off, as it does not seem
> that the latest 3.4 code was used to do this?
>

Yes. This code base is not based on AOO3.4. AOO3.4 and the code bases
are more like two things development in parallel based on OO.o 3.1.

In short, the major part of this code base is OO.o 3.1 and improments
in Symphony and many improvements in OO.o 3.2, 3.3, 3.4beta and AOO
3.4.

I will add a Q&A item for this in
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony

Thank you for bring this up.

> Thanks,
>
> //drew
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> > Will try to put a few of these together over the next few days, mixing
>> > in screens from a Vista install also.
>> >
>> > //drew
>> >
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 06:28:39PM -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >> >> The JIRA issue for loading the Symphony dump is here:
>> >> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-4799
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Daniel made a test load of the dump file here:
>> >> >> https://svn-master.apache.org/repos/test/danielsh/symphony-import/
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It would be great if someone can (maybe from the Symphony team) can do
>> >> >> a check out and verify that this is correct. And if anyone sees any
>> >> >> problems, please speak up now.
>> >> >
>> >> > I couldn't pass configure.
>> >> > Missing main/sdext, missing ext_source, ext_libraries, etc.
>> >> > So, either it is missing several peaces, either one is not supposed to
>> >> > build this (?).
>> >> >
>> >> > If the source is buildable, then instruction on how to build this will
>> >> > be very welcome.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> > --
>> >> > Ariel Constenla-Haile
>> >> > La Plata, Argentina
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

Re: how Get Bitmap file from SVG module?

[Yong Lin Ma]

Let me try to translate the message below.

Hi Armin,
I see two interfaces XSVGPrinter and XSVGWriter in svg mdoule

Could they be used for graphic in Bitmap format?

For function extractFromGraphic in svgimagenode

void extractFromGraphic (
const Graphic & rGraphic
drawinglayer :: primitive2d :: Primitive2DSequence & rEmbedded,
basegfx :: B2DRange & rViewBox,
BitmapEx & rBitmapEx)

What is parameter rBitmapEx work for?

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:06 PM, jianlizhao  wrote:
> Hi Armin:
> I ask you some question as below:
> In  module svg, have two Interfaces, one is  XSVGPrinter, the other is
> XSVGWriter.
>
> 1) Can I use these interfaces, output Bitmap file?
>
> 2) under the module svg, in the file of svgimagenode.cxx,
>
> void extractFromGraphic (
>            const Graphic & rGraphic
>            drawinglayer :: primitive2d :: Primitive2DSequence & rEmbedded,
>            basegfx :: B2DRange & rViewBox,
>            BitmapEx & rBitmapEx)
>
> is the  parameters rBitmapEx get Bitmap file?
>
> Thanks...
> Best Regards!
>

Re: [UX] New AOO User Experience Community

[Yong Lin Ma]

Whatever it is named, I think it is good for people who are
experienced in UX design identify themselves out here. Designers need
other's help to implement their ideas. The bar for UX design of such a
product is very low. Everyone can have its own opinions or brilliant
ideas. But it is also easy to mess up a product by combining many good
ideas together. If things going well, there will be situations that
people get different opinions about a ux change and the fall into
endless discussion. I would trust UX designer's choice in case like
that, if we a decision must be made in the end.




On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Paulo de Souza Lima
 wrote:
> 2012/5/24 Rob Weir 
>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:39 PM, Kevin Grignon
>>  wrote:
>> > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Juergen Schmidt <
>> jogischm...@googlemail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Am Samstag, 19. Mai 2012 um 00:18 schrieb Paulo de Souza Lima:
>> >> > 2012/5/18 Juergen Schmidt 
>> >> >
>> >> > > Am Freitag, 18. Mai 2012 um 15:22 schrieb Paulo de Souza Lima:
>> >> > > > 2012/5/18 Jürgen Schmidt 
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > On 5/18/12 10:32 AM, Kevin Grignon wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Erik,
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Good stuff. Will do.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > do we really need such a separate page for UX community
>> members? I
>> >> > > don't
>> >> > > > > think so and I personally think it goes in the wrong direction.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > There's nothing to loose, in my view. But I wouldn't call UX a
>> >> > > "community".
>> >> > > > I would call it a "team".
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I am personally interested in many different areas of the
>> project
>> >> and
>> >> > > > > don't want to put my name on X different pages. My contribution
>> in
>> >> the
>> >> > > > > different areas will be also different and will change from
>> time to
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > time.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > If you are interested in many areas (just like me) you are free to
>> >> decide
>> >> > > > if you will place your name in all of them, or none. I don't see a
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > problem
>> >> > > > with that. But if I am deeply involved with some project, I would
>> >> like to
>> >> > > > place my name on it, for sure. Also, it's important from the
>> user's
>> >> point
>> >> > > > of view, to know who are the contacts for the issues they have.
>> And
>> >> a new
>> >> > > > contributor who wishes to have a larger involvement with the UX
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > activities
>> >> > > > (and others too) should be able to identify who else is involved.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Such a page doesn't really reflect who is doing the work and is
>> >> > > > > potentially misleading.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Again, I don't think so. Indeed, it doesn't reflect who is doing
>> the
>> >> job,
>> >> > > > but it gives a clue. It would be worst if users have no clue about
>> >> that.
>> >> > > > And Mediawiki has features that can give stronger clues. It's
>> matter
>> >> of
>> >> > > > creating some sort of workflow. If there's a workflow, anyone can
>> >> drive
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > his
>> >> > > > task, without the need of a "coordinator". I could give you an
>> >> example we
>> >> > > > done in LibO, but I preffer to show you our own example in AOO: Me
>> >> and
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Raul
>> >> > > > are about to finish a workflow for PT-BR document translations
>> page
>> >> which
>> >> > > > is working very fine in LibO and we will make it work here too.
>> When
>> >> > > > finished, anyone will be able to choose a document, translate it,
>> >> submit
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > it
>> >> > > > for revise, revise translation, and all the work of every
>> contributor
>> >> > >
>> >> > > will
>> >> > > > be recorded.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > that sounds interesting but I don't see the relation to a
>> >> community/team
>> >> > > page
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, As I told before, I would not call it a "community". I would
>> call
>> >> it
>> >> > a "team" or, if this word sounds bad, maybe the UX "Guys" sounds
>> better
>> >> =)
>> >> >
>> >> > How can you identify, today, people who are working on wiki
>> maintenance,
>> >> > for example? Note I'm not asking for *all* people, but the main ones.
>> I
>> >> > couldn't do that until I have created some pages and Adailton
>> questioned
>> >> me
>> >> > about that. So I made a search in the wiki to find who made the last
>> >> > editions in the wiki, mainly after July 2011. And I found TJ. In his
>> >> > discussion page they used to change some messages, so I could find out
>> >> that
>> >> > TJ and Adailton are the "wiki guys". But this information was not
>> >> anywhere
>> >> > in a clear view. Why not ease the work of displaying who is doing
>> what?
>> >> >
>>

Re: 3.4.1, 3.5?, 4.0 ...

[Yong Lin Ma]

You may take a look at OO.o 3.2, 3.3 release notes, to get an idea
about what took OO.o from 3.x to 3.x+1.

Items in feature planning are just hints about what people have in
mind. There is no  guarantee  for them.

There are two ways we can get to the next release of AOO.

1, Choose a core set of features and bug fixes and the schedule of
next release depends on the progress of those features.
This can give end user a clear view about next release in advance. It
also requires a good command of resource.

2, Time boxed release. Get a new release every half year. The release
version depends on how much improvements have been made in it.
This is more suitable for AOO.



On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> We seem to have a handle on what we're doing for a 3.4.1 release, and quite
> a number of ideas floating around for 4.0
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.0+Feature+Planning
>
> and even 4.1 ?
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1+Feature+Planning
>
> I'm wondering if it's worth the time to put a more concerted effort (after
> 3.4.1) into code cleanup, refactoring,etc., and do an intermediate release
> *before* 4.0 as 3.5. There's been some discussion about this in the past
> along with the complexity of the code, and I think maybe focusing on JUST
> that aspect might serve us well in the long run. When I hear about 1 hour
> builds, I'm thinking surely we can do better. That and the size of the code
> base concerns me. Again, I am not a coder on this project, and I do realize
> that taking things apart and putting them back together is NOT easy. So my
> remarks may be very naive.
>
> I really don't have a good sense of what it means to go from a 3.4 to 3.5,
> etc.  either. It would be great if someone more intimately involved in
> development could furnish some more information about that aspect on the
> planning wiki.
>
> Thoughts?
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
>                                 -- Mark Twain

Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process

[Yong Lin Ma]

We are close to starting the graduation process. But I think we need
give the project more time to demonstrate the ability to

Create an Apache Release
AOO 3.4 is an real achievement. But the major issue it solved are due
to legal concerns.  It has improvement in SVG just because we are
lucky to have Armin with us.
It is still early to say that the project is ready to get to next release.
We need at least
Close a couple of new feature cycles. Propose and discuss about new
features -> spec review -> design review -> implementation -> QE sign
off
See a steady defect fix rate.


Create an Open and Diverse community
We need more committers. There still no committer from C2SC.


On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> I'd like to start the graduation process, with the aim of being a TLP
> in time for the 3.4.1 release.
>
> The IPMC has a "Guide to Successful Graduation" page with a lot of
> detail and advice:  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>
> The calendar here is especially useful:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>
> It shows 4 steps:
>
> 1) a vote on ooo-dev (a community vote) on whether we want to graduate now
>
> 2) a discussion on ooo-dev leading to the draft of a charter for the new TLP
>
> 3) an IPMC vote on whether or not to recommend the podling for graduation
>
> 4) a vote by the ASF Board on a resolution creating the new TLP
>
> This thread is just a proposal.  It is not the actual vote called for
> in #1 above.  But I'd like to gauge current sentiment.  Are we all +1
> for going ahead?  If not, please list what pre-graduation tasks you
> believe need to be done first.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Rob

Re: FYA new defect with tag [From Symphony]

[Yong Lin Ma]

They exist in AOO 3.4 release code. But has been fixed in Symphony.

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM, drew jensen
 wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-05-29 at 22:24 +0800, Ji Yan wrote:
>> Recently, a few defects(about 70+) opened with tag "[From Symphony]". I'd
>> like to share with you what we(Symphony test team) are doing and the
>> meaning of this tag.
>>
>> In this week, we spent our effort on AOO interoperability testing, by
>> running sample files(both MS binary and xml file) loading and saving with
>> AOO. During this test we found there are some bugs exist in AOO but cannot
>> be reproduced in Symphony, so we filed issues in bugzilla with this tag
>> "[From Symphony]" to make everyone clear that specific problem only exist
>> in AOO but not in Symphony.
>>
>> More and more defects will come out in the feature, if Symphony has no such
>> issue the tag will be added to identifyits origin.
>>
>> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
>
> Hi,
>
> Do you mean they exist in the AOO release code, or in the AOO/Symphany
> mashup code?
>
> Thanks
>
> //drew
>
>
>

Re: [PROPOSAL] Starting the graduation process

[Yong Lin Ma]

My proposal is simple. Wait one or two months to see what we will get
for next release.

3.4.1 doesn't count to me. It is a must have when we get AOO 3.4 released.



On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
 wrote:
> On 5/29/12 5:42 PM, Yong Lin Ma wrote:
>>
>> We are close to starting the graduation process. But I think we need
>> give the project more time to demonstrate the ability to
>>
>> Create an Apache Release
>
>
> I think the project have shown that it is able to act as TLP and that the
> project is able to manage project relevant issues in the Apache way.
>
>
>> AOO 3.4 is an real achievement. But the major issue it solved are due
>> to legal concerns.  It has improvement in SVG just because we are
>> lucky to have Armin with us.
>> It is still early to say that the project is ready to get to next release.
>> We need at least
>> Close a couple of new feature cycles. Propose and discuss about new
>> features ->  spec review ->  design review ->  implementation ->  QE sign
>> off
>> See a steady defect fix rate.
>
>
> Our next planned release 3.4.1 will be a bug fix release only. No big new
> features are intended or planned for this release. Only important bug fixes
> + new translations. So I don't see really your point here.
>
> Graduation means that the project is able to self manage all project
> relevant issues in a proper way that is aligned with the Apache rules and
> the Apache way.
>
>
>>
>>
>> Create an Open and Diverse community
>> We need more committers. There still no committer from C2SC.
>
>
> sure we need more committers and that will be a steady and continuously
> process in the future. But do you want define a number of say 150 committers
> as boundary for a potential graduation? Probably not because it means
> nothing. We have committers who are not longer active here in the project
> and graduation would also mean that we are able to clean up some things.
>
> C2SC people should participate actively in the project and should talk about
> the things they are doing that other people get aware of it. Nothing special
> here, saying I will do is not enough but doing it will change things over
> time ;-)
>
> The important message is that we are ready to manage the project in the
> Apache way.
>
> We should focus on things that are potentially relevant for graduation and
> Pedro have raised his concern about the category-b libraries that are valid
> and we have indeed postponed the decision after our first release. We should
> now either simply move them or should clarify if it is ok to keep them in
> the repo from a legal perspective to be simply save here to address Pedro's
> concern.
>
> But in general I would support Rob's idea to start the graduation process
> now and address all relevant issues.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 2:10 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'd like to start the graduation process, with the aim of being a TLP
>>> in time for the 3.4.1 release.
>>>
>>> The IPMC has a "Guide to Successful Graduation" page with a lot of
>>> detail and advice:  http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>>>
>>> The calendar here is especially useful:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#toplevel
>>>
>>> It shows 4 steps:
>>>
>>> 1) a vote on ooo-dev (a community vote) on whether we want to graduate
>>> now
>>>
>>> 2) a discussion on ooo-dev leading to the draft of a charter for the new
>>> TLP
>>>
>>> 3) an IPMC vote on whether or not to recommend the podling for graduation
>>>
>>> 4) a vote by the ASF Board on a resolution creating the new TLP
>>>
>>> This thread is just a proposal.  It is not the actual vote called for
>>> in #1 above.  But I'd like to gauge current sentiment.  Are we all +1
>>> for going ahead?  If not, please list what pre-graduation tasks you
>>> believe need to be done first.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> -Rob
>
>

Re: What is a PMC Chair?

[Yong Lin Ma]

How often a new chair will be selected? Yearly or depends on ...


On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Ross Gardler
 wrote:
> Since discussion has turned to graduation I'd like to invite people to
> consider who they would like to have as PMC chair. The first part of
> this is understanding what the role of a PMC chair is.
>
> First and foremost the position of chair does not bring any additional
> authority over the project, at least not in normal circumstances. It
> is true that in the event of a deadlock the chair has a casting vote,
> however I have never seen this happen. In reality the chair is just
> the same as any other PMC member except that they are expected to do a
> certain amount of "paperwork" for the PMC and, more importantly, they
> are a community facilitator. You can find a full description of the
> responsibilities at [1]. In summary they are:
>
>  - Subscribe to and monitor board@ (and board meeting minutes) and
> infrastructure@ at lists, ensuring the community takes any necessary
> actions
>
>  - Submit quarterly reports
>
>  - Maintain PMC membership records
>
>  - Ensure everyones voice is heard
>
> Before calling for nominations (and people can self-nominate if they
> so desire) I would like to take a few days to allow people to ask any
> questions about the role and the type of individual that is best
> suited to be a chair.
>
> Ross
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com

[DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members

[Yong Lin Ma]

This was a discussion about rules of voting for new committer and PPMC
member. We think it is more appropriate to let all contributors get
involved in this. So I moved the discussion to ooo-dev.

General process about voting in a new committer and PPMC member is here
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html

By far the practice is most candidates were voted for committer and
PPMC member at the same time.
And no concreate critrial defined in public for AOO.

Your comments are welcomed.


A comment from Rob:

>If it were entirely up to me I'd have it be like:

>1) Contributor -- anyone who contributes to the project, mailing list
discussions, patches, translations, bug reports, doc, support.  This
comes in all flavors and sizes.  We need to do a better job giving
them credit and acknowledging their contributions.  If the feeling is
that someone is not valued unless they are voted in as a PPMC member,
then we're doing something wrong.

>2) Committer -- The threshold question:  Do we trust their judgement
with respect to the area of their contributions?  The move from
contributor to committer is a move from RTC (patches must be reviewed)
to CTR.  So we really need to have a sense that they are doing quality
work.  Committers also have veto rights on all of our commits.  So we
need to trust their judgement.

>3) PMC member -- The threshold question:  Do they understand The
Apache Way and our community-based decision making? On average are
they solving more community problems than they are causing?  Are they
helping others in the community succeed?  When we graduate, and our
Mentors move on to other podlings, the PMC collectively needs to
mentor new members to the project.  So I think the PMC is more about
trusting their community skills rather than their technical skills.

>It might be possible for someone to qualify for 2 and 3 at the same
time.  But probably not in every case.

>Note:  This is not how we have operated previously.  I think there was
an bootstrapping issue where we needed to have a PPMC suitably large
and diverse to provide balance.  We also obviously started with a PPMC
consisting of people who did not fully understand Apache.  That is the
nature of Incubation.  But I don't think this approach is necessarily
something we should continue with a year later, as we approach
graduation.

Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members

[Yong Lin Ma]

PMC Member
"A PMC member is a developer or a committer that was elected due to
merit for the evolution of the project and demonstration of
commitment. They have write access to the code repository, an
apache.org mail address, the right to vote for the community-related
decisions and the right to propose an active user for committership.
The PMC as a whole is the entity that controls the project, nobody
else."

According to this, a committer has every rights to become a PMC member
unless he or she not willing to get involve in it.

We may separate the votes but it will just prolong the process. Or
simple make PMC member a commiter+. Understanding how Apache works is
must. But that is not rocket science, and shouldn't be a hurdle.

We also can never know in advance who will cause more trouble than help.

We should also encourage people reasigning from PMC if he or she is
not interested in it anymore.


On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> FWIW,
>
> The Foundation Roles are explained here:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>
> Pretty much in line to what you are thinking.
>
> Pedro.
>
> --- Dom 3/6/12, Yong Lin Ma  ha scritto:
>
>> This was a discussion about rules of
>> voting for new committer and PPMC
>> member. We think it is more appropriate to let all
>> contributors get
>> involved in this. So I moved the discussion to ooo-dev.
>>
>> General process about voting in a new committer and PPMC
>> member is here
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html
>>
>> By far the practice is most candidates were voted for
>> committer and
>> PPMC member at the same time.
>> And no concreate critrial defined in public for AOO.
>>
>> Your comments are welcomed.
>>
>>
>> A comment from Rob:
>>
>> >If it were entirely up to me I'd have it be like:
>>
>> >1) Contributor -- anyone who contributes to the project,
>> mailing list
>> discussions, patches, translations, bug reports, doc,
>> support.  This
>> comes in all flavors and sizes.  We need to do a better
>> job giving
>> them credit and acknowledging their contributions.  If
>> the feeling is
>> that someone is not valued unless they are voted in as a
>> PPMC member,
>> then we're doing something wrong.
>>
>> >2) Committer -- The threshold question:  Do we
>> trust their judgement
>> with respect to the area of their contributions?  The
>> move from
>> contributor to committer is a move from RTC (patches must be
>> reviewed)
>> to CTR.  So we really need to have a sense that they
>> are doing quality
>> work.  Committers also have veto rights on all of our
>> commits.  So we
>> need to trust their judgement.
>>
>> >3) PMC member -- The threshold question:  Do they
>> understand The
>> Apache Way and our community-based decision making? On
>> average are
>> they solving more community problems than they are
>> causing?  Are they
>> helping others in the community succeed?  When we
>> graduate, and our
>> Mentors move on to other podlings, the PMC collectively
>> needs to
>> mentor new members to the project.  So I think the PMC
>> is more about
>> trusting their community skills rather than their technical
>> skills.
>>
>> >It might be possible for someone to qualify for 2 and 3
>> at the same
>> time.  But probably not in every case.
>>
>> >Note:  This is not how we have operated
>> previously.  I think there was
>> an bootstrapping issue where we needed to have a PPMC
>> suitably large
>> and diverse to provide balance.  We also obviously
>> started with a PPMC
>> consisting of people who did not fully understand
>> Apache.  That is the
>> nature of Incubation.  But I don't think this approach
>> is necessarily
>> something we should continue with a year later, as we
>> approach
>> graduation.
>>

Re: Correct SVN practices (was Re: Fix for bug 119161)

[Yong Lin Ma]

Pedro,
I will do this. Please brief how do you hope the info will be
organized and what should be highlighted.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>
> --- Lun 4/6/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
>
>> >
>> > I guess there's going to be no way to convince
>> > people to use SVN correctly (hint: "svn merge"). :(
>>
>> I simply haven't thought about it but I agree svn merge
>> would have been better here. Especially when we want to
>> merge the whole branch later to trunk to ensure that
>> we have all fixes integrated.
>>
>
> svn merge actually helps a lot and I find it is really
> powerful, especially when there are big changes involving
> creating or moving files. I think part of the problem
> is that we don't have the procedures documented yet
> and people are afraid to break something in the main
> tree.
>
> We do have a small primer but it can be improved.
> For new (and sometimes old) committers it's good
> to have some reference for doing their first commit,
> the first merge, creating their own feature branch,
> etc.
>
> Volunteers are welcome; I am a little busy but I
> can give some pointers if someone wants to take
> the task.
>
> Pedro.
>

Re: Correct SVN practices (was Re: Fix for bug 119161)

[Yong Lin Ma]

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Svn_practices

I would stop for awhile. Please help to update it, especially the
branche section. Not all the things are accurate.


On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM, bjcheny  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> I'd like to offer some tips on "svn changelist".
> Let me know your comments.
> Currently, I see no side-effect on using this feature during fixing bugs.
>
> 2012/6/5 Yong Lin Ma 
>
>> Pedro,
>> I will do this. Please brief how do you hope the info will be
>> organized and what should be highlighted.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>> >
>> > --- Lun 4/6/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I guess there's going to be no way to convince
>> >> > people to use SVN correctly (hint: "svn merge"). :(
>> >>
>> >> I simply haven't thought about it but I agree svn merge
>> >> would have been better here. Especially when we want to
>> >> merge the whole branch later to trunk to ensure that
>> >> we have all fixes integrated.
>> >>
>> >
>> > svn merge actually helps a lot and I find it is really
>> > powerful, especially when there are big changes involving
>> > creating or moving files. I think part of the problem
>> > is that we don't have the procedures documented yet
>> > and people are afraid to break something in the main
>> > tree.
>> >
>> > We do have a small primer but it can be improved.
>> > For new (and sometimes old) committers it's good
>> > to have some reference for doing their first commit,
>> > the first merge, creating their own feature branch,
>> > etc.
>> >
>> > Volunteers are welcome; I am a little busy but I
>> > can give some pointers if someone wants to take
>> > the task.
>> >
>> > Pedro.
>> >
>>

Re: Correct SVN practices (was Re: Fix for bug 119161)

[Yong Lin Ma]

Pedro,
Could you update it with "svn merge" example you mentioned before?
That was why we start this.

">
> patch reviewed, tested and applied to AOO34 branch and
> trunk
>

I guess there's going to be no no way to convince people
to use SVN correctly (hint: "svn merge"). :(

I will merge some minor fixes so that people can at least
notice with good example. :-P."

http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/svn-basics.html
Is good. We may add a branch section in it later.


Herbert,
Thank you for your update to the wiki.


On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I think I like current primer better.
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/svn-basics.html
>
> Pedro.
>
> --- Mer 6/6/12, Yong Lin Ma  ha scritto:
>
>> Da: Yong Lin Ma 
>> Oggetto: Re: Correct SVN practices (was Re: Fix for bug 119161)
>> A: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Data: Mercoledì 6 giugno 2012, 07:56
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Svn_practices
>>
>> I would stop for awhile. Please help to update it,
>> especially the
>> branche section. Not all the things are accurate.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:06 AM, bjcheny 
>> wrote:
>> > Hi Eric,
>> >
>> > I'd like to offer some tips on "svn changelist".
>> > Let me know your comments.
>> > Currently, I see no side-effect on using this feature
>> during fixing bugs.
>> >
>> > 2012/6/5 Yong Lin Ma 
>> >
>> >> Pedro,
>> >> I will do this. Please brief how do you hope the
>> info will be
>> >> organized and what should be highlighted.
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 12:16 AM, Pedro Giffuni
>> 
>> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > --- Lun 4/6/12, Jürgen Schmidt ha scritto:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I guess there's going to be no way to
>> convince
>> >> >> > people to use SVN correctly (hint:
>> "svn merge"). :(
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I simply haven't thought about it but I
>> agree svn merge
>> >> >> would have been better here. Especially
>> when we want to
>> >> >> merge the whole branch later to trunk to
>> ensure that
>> >> >> we have all fixes integrated.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > svn merge actually helps a lot and I find it
>> is really
>> >> > powerful, especially when there are big
>> changes involving
>> >> > creating or moving files. I think part of the
>> problem
>> >> > is that we don't have the procedures
>> documented yet
>> >> > and people are afraid to break something in
>> the main
>> >> > tree.
>> >> >
>> >> > We do have a small primer but it can be
>> improved.
>> >> > For new (and sometimes old) committers it's
>> good
>> >> > to have some reference for doing their first
>> commit,
>> >> > the first merge, creating their own feature
>> branch,
>> >> > etc.
>> >> >
>> >> > Volunteers are welcome; I am a little busy but
>> I
>> >> > can give some pointers if someone wants to
>> take
>> >> > the task.
>> >> >
>> >> > Pedro.
>> >> >
>> >>
>>

Re: [Call-for-Review]patch for bug 119464

[Yong Lin Ma]

The patch looks good to me. I will help to commit it.

Are there any similar problems caused by different style values
between MS Office and AOO?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Ying Zhang  wrote:
> Hi, All
>
> I have a fix for *Bug
> 119464*
> For more details, please refer to :  *Patch for paragraph alignment
> issue*
> Can anyone help review, thx!

Re: [Call-for-Review]patch for bug 119829.

[Yong Lin Ma]

Since the shortcut key is not described in help or indicted in other
way. I think this is an enhencment other than defect.

Case like this should show up in UX backlog first.

Who will update id files for this?


On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:54 AM, chengjh  wrote:
> Very useful fix,it will benefit end users to take use of Apache
> OpenOffice.org as their daily document editing application..Personally, I
> expect the fix can be delivered to code base earlier. Thanks for the fix.
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:24 AM, jane kang  wrote:
>
>> I have fixed bug 119829 . Issue detail info pls
>> refer to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119829. Patch infor
>> pls refer to https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=78078.Thanks.
>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,Jianhong Cheng

Re: Re: Open the UOF2.0 source codes

[Yong Lin Ma]

Hongyun,
Anyone from your team already get commit rights?   If not, it would be
difficult for a senior OO.o developer. We would like to help to speed
up the process by reviewing his or her contributions in time.

Any other ideas?

At the same time, you may consider introducing the work on wiki first.
That will help others understand the contribution and give more
advices.


On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>
>
> --- Lun 11/6/12, hongyun.an  ha scritto:
> ...
>> Data: Lunedì 11 giugno 2012, 00:20
>> You are welcome.We hope it will be
>> more compatible between the ODF and UOF2.0.
>> Could anybody tell me how submit the code?
>> --
>
> I guess it depends on the size. One option
> would be to put up a tarball somewhere, but
> perhaps its better to create a branch in SVN.
>
> It would be great if one of our Chinese
> commiters takes the lead on this.
>
> Pedro.
>
>> hongyun.an
>> >This is excellent news!
>> >
>> >Thank you Hongyun An, we are delighted to have this
>> huge
>> >development for/from the Chinese community!
>> >
>> >Pedro.
>> >
>> >--- Dom 10/6/12, hongyun.an 
>> ha scritto:
>> >>Hi,everyone:
>> >
>> >My name is Hongyun An and I am serving in CS2C.Since
>> 2008,I have worked for the document format
>> interoperability.
>> >Now I am serving for the China Standard Software
>> Co.,Ltd(CS2C).
>> >We are going to open the UOF2.0 source codes which are
>> researched for years based on OpenOffice.
>> >Until now We have send the SGA and the SGA from China
>> Standard Software Co, Ltd has been filed in the Apache
>> >Software Foundation records.
>> >Now  let me tell you what UOF2.0 is and how
>> important it is.
>> >As a Chinese document format,UOF(Unified Office document
>> Format) describes the document format structure basing on
>> >the W3C XML Schema,using Chinese character tags.Now UOF
>> has a wide range of applications.In China,many departments
>> >use the UOF as the compatibility format.
>> >UOF2.0 is improved more greatly than UOF1.1. It has a
>> better structure, which  is  multi-file
>> structure,including uof.xml,
>> >meta.xml,context.xml,chart.xml,graphics.xml,rules.xml
>> and so on. And UOF2.0 unifies the definition of the public
>> properties,
>> >supports the multi-language.
>> >Until now we  have achieved reading and writing
>> the  UOF2.0 documents by modifying the OpenOffice
>> source codes and the
>> >style sheets.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hongyun An
>> >Office +8610-51659955-3102
>> >CS2C
>> >20F,Yingu Building,No.9 Beisihuan Xilu,Haidian District
>> Beijing China

Re: [Call-for-Review] Issue 118878, Writer crash after modify properties of new Frame

[Yong Lin Ma]

I will take care of this.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 3:44 PM, lin yuan  wrote:
> Add the call-for-review tag in title. More details and the root cause
> analysis about this issue can be found in
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118878
> The patch file can be found in
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=77582
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lin Yuan
>
>
> 2012/5/23 lin yuan 
>
>> I had a simple fix for issue 
>> *118878*.
>> It's a crash issue when modify the column value and width value together
>> for a frame object in writer app.  Is there anyone can help to review it?
>> Thanks a lot!
>>
>> More details and the root cause analysis can be found in
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118878
>> The patch file can be found in
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/attachment.cgi?id=77582
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Lin Yuan
>>
>>

Re: Next steps for Symphony and AOO

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:03 AM, drew  wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 21:08 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> As we wait [0] for the Symphony [1] code to be loaded into Subversion
>> I think it would be good to start a discussion on "next steps" of how
>> we can make best use of this contribution.
>>
>> Hopefully you've had time to review the list of features on the wiki
>> [2], install one of the binaries [3] , or maybe even download the
>> source [4] and try to build it [5].
>>
>> As will see by your examination, the Symphony code base has co-evolved
>> with OpenOffice.org for several years now, and continued to co-evolve
>> with Apache OpenOffice even recently.  Symphony has many features and
>> bug fixes that AOO lacks.  And there are areas where Symphony is
>> missing enhancements or bug fixes that are in OpenOffice.
>>
>> Our challenge is to find the best way to bring these two code bases
>> together, to make the best product.
>>
>> I think there are two main approaches to this problem:
>>
>> I.  Merge code, from Symphony, feature by feature, into AOO, in a
>> prioritized order.  This is the "slow" approach, since it would take
>> (by the estimates I've seen) a couple of years to bring all of the
>> Symphony enhancements and bug fixes over to AOO.
>>
>
> Hi Rob, others
>
> May I break out one piece of that work and ask about that.
>
> Is there a reasonably trusted estimate on the effort to move the Windows
> accessibility enhancements from the Symphony code line to the current
> 3.4 line?

Steve Yin will answer this with a new thread.

Thanks.

>
> Thanks much for your time,
>
> //drew
>
> 
>

Re: Propose to migrate IA2 and accessibility enhancements on Windows from Symphony

[Yong Lin Ma]

This is post is a response to a question from Drew in "Next steps for
Symphony and AOO" thread.

>From Drew
"Is there a reasonably trusted estimate on the effort to move the Windows
accessibility enhancements from the Symphony code line to the current
3.4 line?"

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Steve Yin  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> As Symphony has already implemented IA2 for years and won a host of
> positive responses from the blind users. IA2 should be an indispensable
> feature on Windows for AOO. Since Symphony is derived from OOo 3.1 m11, we
> should consider about the gap between OOo 3.1m11 and AOO3.4.
>
> As for the effort estimate of  AOO's IA2 migration and other accessibility
> enhancements on Windows, here is my draft plan.
>
>   1. *IA2 bridge migration*. An independent module for UNO interfaces and
>   IA2 interfaces mapping. *5 PD*
>   2. *IA2 UI enhancement migration*. All UI controls can be accessed
>   through IA2 interfaces.* 60PD*
>   3. *IA2 for document content migration*. Make all objects of the
>   document accessible for IA2 and bug fix. *200PD or more*
>
>
> Please help to evaluate the feasibility of the proposal. Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Steve Yin

Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members

[Yong Lin Ma]

A specific question. What is the criteria for a QE member to become a committer?


On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> On Jun 4, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Dave Fisher 
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/03/2012 11:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>> FWIW,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Foundation Roles are explained here:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>>>>>>
>>>>>> yes, this is standard ASF policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My question/concern at this point would be --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how well do we think this works for Apache OpenOffice?
>>>>>
>>>>> The PPMC has had the practice of making Committers into PPMC members on
>>> the same VOTE. This is the practice for some Apache projects, but not all.
>>> I think that from now on this project should always have separate votes as
>>> a matter of policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> What do others think?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If we agree that committer and PMC are different roles with different
>>>> criteria, then I think that is the natural outcome.
>>>>
>>>> But it will depend on the individual.   Consider three types of
>>> contributors:
>>>>
>>>> -- experienced OpenOffice.org contributor, but new to Apache
>>>>
>>>> -- new to the project entirely, but experienced with Apache from
>>>> another Apache project, perhaps already a PMC member in another
>>>> project
>>>>
>>>> - new both to OpenOffice and to Apache
>>>>
>>>> Based on prior experience it might be easier/faster to demonstrate the
>>>> necessary skills these roles.  In the first category, the experienced
>>>> OOo contributor, I'd expect they could be make a committer quickly,
>>>> but will take time to learn about The Apache Way.  But in the other
>>>> categories they might already have that knowledge (in the 2nd case),
>>>> or develop it concurrently as they learn about the code over a longer
>>>> period of time,
>>>>
>>>> But in principle I think we should be distinguishing this roles.
>>>
>>> Let's discuss (2) since now that the project is bootstrapped those in
>>> category (1) will be quickly recognized and (3) is the usual case.
>>>
>>
>> Well I do have a concern about (1). In fact, given the ecosystem here, with
>> the amount of "paths" one might take to participate, I wonder if we miss
>> participation in some arenas.
>
> We certainly will.
>
>>
>> I guess the only thing we can hope for in this respect is that a current
>> PPMC member (or two) has  their fingers in several areas.
>
> It is important for all committers and PMC members to identify and encourage 
> contributors. The PMC should keep a "watch" list of contributors who look 
> likely. Committers can send suggestions to ooo-private along with the areas 
> of contribution and interested PMC members can look for sustained effort.
>
>>
>> A discussion for another time perhaps.
>
> Yes.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>>>
>>> Consider
>>> (a) Committers on another project.
>>> (b) PMC members on another project.
>>>
>>> None of these people expect to automatically be granted roles on another
>>> Apache project. They expect that they will earn merit, but like the prior
>>> OpenOffice.org, experience will show. This is why it can be a good idea for
>>> a project to add experienced Apache committers / PMC members to the
>>> "Initial Committer" list.
>>>
>>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 7:30 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> If there were a way to make people members of the
>>>> (P)PMC without making them committers I am sure that
>>>> would be used a lot but it would seem meritocratically
>>>> incorrect to bring into

Re: [Call-for-​Review] Bug 119974 (Ellipse shape display too large in MS office after save odp file to ppt format file )

[Yong Lin Ma]

Zhe,
Please take it in BZ when you working on it. Then commit it by
yourself after it has been reviewed by others. Thanks.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Wang Zhe  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The fix for bug 119974 is ready.
> Here is the link: https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119974
>
> Anybody who could help to review it?
>
> Thanks.

Re: Next steps for Symphony and AOO

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Simon Phipps  wrote:
>
> On 13 Jun 2012, at 23:56, Ma Yong Lin wrote:
>> 在 2012-6-14，上午4:14，Simon Phipps  写道：
>>>
>>> OK, understood. But what was the base version of the fork you've been 
>>> porting to?  3.1?
>>
>> Yes. Please see FAQ in http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony for 
>> more details.
>
> Great, many thanks.
>
> I see from that page that the help content in Symphony is from OO.o 3.3 as 
> well.
>

Good question. It is a little complicated. I will answer here then add
it to the FAQ.

OO.o 3.x help content  is packaged in the the binary build of the
"Symphony code contribution". But both OO.o 3.x help content and
Symphony 3.1 help content can be found
in the source code of the contribution.

The help system of Symphony 3.1 is eclipse based. AOO or OO.o help
mechanism is used in the code contribution. The Symphony help content
can't be consumed by AOO directly.

> S.
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
 wrote:
> I just realized that there is a principle around the election of committers 
> that may have been lost sight of.
>

Where can I find the principle in detail?

> Here is something to consider:
>
> The classical case for someone becoming a committer is that they can 
> more-easily do something they are already doing.  The usual example: instead 
> of submitting patches that have to be reviewed and committed by someone else, 
> a committer is empowered to apply patches directly to the SVN.
>

Becoming a committer also means more responsibility and more self-government.
Just to developer, if you already get committer rights, I urge you to
get your work reviewed by someone else if possible before getting it
into SVN.


> The Apache OpenOffice project also has need for committers in conjunction 
> with governance responsibilities (such as oversight of the Community Forums) 
> or infrastructure work (e.g., administering the MediaWiki server) and being 
> on the PMC for supporting confidential matters (including ooo-security) and 
> having accountability for oversight.
>
> In looking at someone whose contributions are clear, the next question is, I 
> think, where do they fit in the above picture?  If being a committer (or a 
> PPMC member) is inessential to the work being done, it seems inappropriate to 
> confer committer privileges.  I think neither PPMC (next: PMC) membership nor 
> committer status should be viewed as ceremonial achievements.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: mayo...@gmail.com [mailto:mayo...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Yong Lin Ma
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 22:50
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members
>
> A specific question. What is the criteria for a QE member to become a 
> committer?
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Dave Fisher 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/03/2012 11:48 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
>>>>>>>> FWIW,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Foundation Roles are explained here:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yes, this is standard ASF policy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question/concern at this point would be --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> how well do we think this works for Apache OpenOffice?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The PPMC has had the practice of making Committers into PPMC members on
>>>> the same VOTE. This is the practice for some Apache projects, but not all.
>>>> I think that from now on this project should always have separate votes as
>>>> a matter of policy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do others think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If we agree that committer and PMC are different roles with different
>>>>> criteria, then I think that is the natural outcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> But it will depend on the individual.   Consider three types of
>>>> contributors:
>>>>>
>>>>> -- experienced OpenOffice.org contributor, but new to Apache
>>>>>
>>>>> -- new to the project entirely, but experienced with Apache from
>>>>> another Apache project, perhaps already a PMC member in another
>>>>> project
>>>>>
>>>>> - new both to OpenOffice and to Apache
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on prior experience it might be easier/faster to demonstrate the
>>>>> necessary skills these roles.  In the first category, the experienced
>>>>> OOo contributor, I'd expect they could be make a committer quickly,
>>>>> but will take time to learn about The Apache Way.  But in the other
>>>>> categories they might already have that knowledge (in the 2nd case),
>>>>> or dev

Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members

[Yong Lin Ma]

I agree with you except I don't undertand the pootle part. I did read
it quite a few times...

Share something in CC (something similar as SVN). source files are
managed in different groupes. Like source code, testing script, id
files. People only apply for rights they need.

The committer rights here carry a lot. It would be very helpful if
someone can list it out.

For example:
Update source code (including id files, testing script, build script..)
Update website
Can confirm a bug in BZ
Can edit bugs in BZ
anything else?


I also understand why it ends up in this way. I think it is nature for
Apache projects before.

Bug AOO is too big and needs much more contributors than other projects.

We also trust committers who have no idea how the AOO codes works
won't mess things up because they would never bother to change the
code.


On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
 wrote:
> I only know the principle by example.
>
> I think some of the web pages about contributors and what having someone 
> become a committer illustrate this.  For example, the common case is where a 
> productive contributor can stop submitting patches for others to review and 
> commit by being invited to be a committer and now able to contribute to the 
> code base directly.
>
> Contributing bug reports or contributing on a wiki does not require so much.  
> But processing bug reports and administering the wiki would, since it would 
> then not be necessary to request that others do it.
>
> If there is a way to register for pootle to submit translation materials, but 
> not directly incorporate the material, that would be a place where committer 
> karma would be valuable in support of regular contributors.
>
> Those are the cases that occur to me.
>
>  - Dennis
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: mayo...@gmail.com [mailto:mayo...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Yong Lin Ma
> Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2012 19:18
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org; dennis.hamil...@acm.org
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 2:08 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton
>  wrote:
>> I just realized that there is a principle around the election of committers 
>> that may have been lost sight of.
>>
>
> Where can I find the principle in detail?
>
>> Here is something to consider:
>>
>> The classical case for someone becoming a committer is that they can 
>> more-easily do something they are already doing.  The usual example: instead 
>> of submitting patches that have to be reviewed and committed by someone 
>> else, a committer is empowered to apply patches directly to the SVN.
>>
>
> Becoming a committer also means more responsibility and more self-government.
> Just to developer, if you already get committer rights, I urge you to
> get your work reviewed by someone else if possible before getting it
> into SVN.
>
>
>> The Apache OpenOffice project also has need for committers in conjunction 
>> with governance responsibilities (such as oversight of the Community Forums) 
>> or infrastructure work (e.g., administering the MediaWiki server) and being 
>> on the PMC for supporting confidential matters (including ooo-security) and 
>> having accountability for oversight.
>>
>> In looking at someone whose contributions are clear, the next question is, I 
>> think, where do they fit in the above picture?  If being a committer (or a 
>> PPMC member) is inessential to the work being done, it seems inappropriate 
>> to confer committer privileges.  I think neither PPMC (next: PMC) membership 
>> nor committer status should be viewed as ceremonial achievements.
>>
>>  - Dennis
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mayo...@gmail.com [mailto:mayo...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Yong Lin Ma
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 22:50
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Rules of voting for new committers and PPMC members
>>
>> A specific question. What is the criteria for a QE member to become a 
>> committer?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:50 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2012, at 1:34 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Dave Fisher 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:18 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
>>&

Re: Should we start posting regular dev snapshot builds for 3.4.1 or 3.5?

[Yong Lin Ma]

+1
I take this as a big sign that the project is on the right track and rolling.

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> I've seeing a lot of bug fixes coming in.  This is great!
>
> But none of us are perfect.  Sometimes bug fixes don't work or fixing
> one bug causes another problem.    That is why we test.   And it is
> best to test a bug fix before too much time has elapsed.
>
> Would it make sense to agree on a date to post an updated dev
> snapshot, so we can verify the bug fixes and ensure that no new
> instability has been introduced?  Maybe get into the practice of doing
> this regularly, e.g., every 1 or 2 weeks or something.
>
> -Rob

[Code] Build Error in bootstrap on Mac

[Yong Lin Ma]

Mac OS X 10.6

Fresh code checked out yesterday (14 Jun)

autoconf

./configure 
--with-dmake-url=http://dmake.apache-extras.org.codespot.com/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2
--with-epm-url=http://ftp.easysw.com/pub/epm/3.7/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz
--disable-build-mozilla --enable-verbose --enable-category-b
--enable-minimizer --enable-presenter-console --enable-wiki-publisher
--disable-mozilla

./bootstrap

source-9.0.0.7-bj.zip exists, md5 is OK
ignoring silgraphite-2.3.1.tar.gz because its prerequisites are not fulfilled
bsh-2.0b1-src.tar.gz exists, md5 is OK
downloading 1 missing tar balls to /Volumes/Mac/aoo34/ooo/ext_sources
downloading to 
/Volumes/Mac/aoo34/ooo/ext_sources/377a60170e5185eb63d3ed2fae98e621-README_silgraphite-2.3.1.txt.part
Can't locate object method "show_progress" via package
"LWP::UserAgent" at
/Volumes/Mac/aoo34/ooo/main/solenv/bin/download_external_dependencies.pl
line 442, <$in> line 352.
making and entering /Volumes/Mac/aoo34/ooo/main/solenv/unxmacxi.pro/misc/build/
can not find the dmake package


Anyone can help? Thank you.

Re: [Code] Build Error in bootstrap on Mac

[Yong Lin Ma]

Fan, Herbert,
Thank you for your help. It works.

I should google it first. My build environment worked before. Thought
it was caused by recent code change.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
> Hi Yong Lin Ma,
>
>
>> Can't locate object method "show_progress" via package
>> "LWP::UserAgent" at
>
>
> This sounds like the problem mentioned in
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/pulledpork-users/Gq6MT27wp6w
>
> Maybe running
>        perl -MCPAN -e "upgrade LWP::UserAgent"
> helps.
>
> Herbert

Re: Next steps for Symphony and AOO

[Yong Lin Ma]

Symphony get a java wrapper. That needs more memory footprint.
Symphony also needs more disk space due the java plug-ins and new
templates, clip arts.

There is no java wrapper for the build we are discussing here. The
memory it needs should in the same level of AOO or may be less due to
some optimization we made. When Symphony was integrated in notes, we
were pushed very hard to fix any increase on memory cost.

Disk space also is not a problem. It quite depends on what we want
packaged in it.

Last but not the least, the recommended configuration for a software
given by different people may also be different.


For more detail info about the contribution, please visit
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony


On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Kay Schenk  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
>>
>> > I.  Merge code, from Symphony, feature by feature, into AOO, in a
>> > prioritized order.  This is the "slow" approach, since it would take
>> > (by the estimates I've seen) a couple of years to bring all of the
>> > Symphony enhancements and bug fixes over to AOO.
>> >
>>
>> I'm in favor of an evolutionary rather then revolutionary change.
>> This way, it also gives devs more time to consider what features have a
>> higher priority and give most benefit to the AOO Suite.
>>
>> The second option you suggest is simply replacing OpenOffice with
>> Symphony
>> FC
>>
>
> Folks may also be interested in the general FAQ on Symphony (IBM doc)
>
> http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/help.nsf/GeneralFAQ
>
> particularly the client requirements which is a concern to me anyway. The
> recommended disk space is 750M compared to the current 450M for linux for
> example. (Though on my current setup, it doesn't use even close to 450M).
> And similar increase for memory requirements.
>
> Can someone give more explanation of the client system requirements for
> Symphony maybe by  augmenting :
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony_contribution
>
> So, for now, without additional information, I have no opinion.
>
>
> --
> 
> MzK
>
> "There's no crying in baseball!"
>       -- Jimmy Dugan (Tom Hanks), "A League of Their Own"

Re: Symphony code now in SVN

[Yong Lin Ma]

Thanks Danielsh.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Symphony  has been updated for this.

And call for native speakers to tune the words there. Thanks for your
help in advence.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> Thanks to danielsh the Symphony contribution is now loaded into
> Subversion here:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/symphony/trunk/
>
> -Rob

Re: Next steps for Symphony and AOO

[Yong Lin Ma]

For option I, it is a easy path. Quitely like we will keep going with
it. As we see recently, a lot of patches from Symphony were submitted.
The problem with Option I is some features may never be migrated into
AOO, like Async document loading, property sidebar and some
improvements don't look like that important.

If we go with option II, I would agree with Pedro that we will work on
both options at the same time. keep two releases for a period of time
until we are sure that AOO 3.4 user can smoothly move to a new
release. Concerns from  Dennis and RGB's are quite reasonable and need
be  considered first before we make any big move for this project.

The feature missed from the Symphony code base may be exaggerated from
an end user's point of view. Both of them were developed from OO.o 3.1
and quite a few improvements from OO.o 3.x have been integrated into
the symphony code base already

Both options need huge effort. Option I needs more effort but with low risk.


The code has been ready now.
Can people work on the contribution code base if they like?
Can such kind of changes be documented in BZ?

These are decisions need be made by community.

On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Yong Lin Ma  wrote:
>
>> Symphony get a java wrapper. That needs more memory footprint.
>
>
> Well ThinkFree office is a Java-based office suite and very lean, even
> compared to stock OpenOffice.org.
>
> a 56MB download.
>
> http://office.thinkfree.com/en/download.html
> So I guess Java or no-Java is not an indication of bloat or lack thereof.

The Java part makes Symphony bigger than OO.o. It is not a common
claim that Java makes things big.

>
> I remember saying 3-4 years ago "it´d be great if Sun bought ThinkFree and
> turned it into "OpenOffice Cloud" integrating it with then-new Google Docs,
> keeping OO.o as ´openoffice desktop´".
>
> Where would we be now...
> FC

Re: Do we want to drop platform support of RedHat 5 and SuSE 10

[Yong Lin Ma]

On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Ji Yan  wrote:
> According to build guide[1], gcc 4.2.3 is the current reference compiler
> which means Linux build should be compiled against RedHat Enterprise
> Linux(RHEL) 6 or SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop(SLED) 11. So I'm wondering
> if we should drop OS support for RHEL5 and SLED 10?
>
> The fact is that AOO 3.4 release build is unable to be launched in neither
> RHEL5 nor SLED 10. Should we update system requirement and installation

Do you mean we are providing a false statement that the build we
provided can be run on
RHEL5 and SLED 10. But actually, it can't be launched there?

> guide?
>
>
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide/Building_on_Linux
> --
>
>
> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji

Re: [Call-for-Review] Issue 56806 WW: page background graphic lost on export

[Yong Lin Ma]

I will take care of this.

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 9:36 PM, ZuoJun Chen  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>     I have a fix to for bug 56806,  please review the patch attached to:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=56806
>
>     I'd like to introduce myself here. I'm a developer and actually use
> AOO
>
> in my daily work  to handle a large number of odt and MS Word documents.
>
> So I have interesting in interoperability between the  Apache Open Office
> and
>
> Microsoft Office, especially in word processor filter and common MS filter.
>
> Recently I would like to loot at some issues for ww8filter.
>
> Regards - Zuojun

Re: [RELEASE][​3.4.1]: proposing"Bug 119459- the position of Shape (connectors) in slide is incorrect after save once by AOO3.4" as release blocker‏

[Yong Lin Ma]

This is a problem. A fix for it would be valuable.

But I can't say it is a release blocker. There is another thread
discussing criteria of release block. You may take a look.

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM, ying sun  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>    I request that issue 119459 should be solved for AOO 3.4.1.
>     This is a bug about the position of connector shape is incorrect after
> save as MS PPT 2003 file by AOO3.4.
>    The connector is used to connect two shape, if the position is
> incorrect, connector will not distinguish which shapes have been connected
> and the connector will lost its meaning.So the right connector position is
> very important for user.So I think solving this issue is very valuable for
> user,propose it as release blocker.
>    I have added the patch for this issue, and Armin (thanks to<
> armin.le.gr...@me.com>) have reviewed it and submitted it.
>
>    see details:https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=119459
>
>    Any objections to mark this issue as a release blocker for AOO 3.4.1?
> pls give your comments, many thanks.

Re: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change crashes OOo

[Yong Lin Ma]

+1

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Yan Ji  wrote:
> I propose bug 120045[1] as 3.4.1 release blocker.  AOO crashed easily while 
> trying to lowercase a word which contains uppercase in Mac OS.
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045
>
> Thanks & Best Regards, Yan Ji
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: bugzi...@apache.org
>> Subject: 3.4.1_release_blocker requested: [Bug 120045] Format case change 
>> crashes OOo
>> Date: June 21, 2012 11:31:50 AM GMT+08:00
>> To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org
>> Reply-To: ooo-iss...@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> Yan Ji  has asked  for 3.4.1_release_blocker:
>> Bug 120045: Format case change crashes OOo
>> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=120045
>>
>>
>> --- Additional Comments from Yan Ji 
>> The problem happened to Mac platform when changing to lower case with word
>> contains upper case characters. It's obviously serious problem.
>>
>> Propose 3.4.1 release blocker
>

Re: [RELEASE] Next Release - 3.4.2? 3.5? 4.0?

[Yong Lin Ma]

This is a good topic.

I prefer to having 2 major releases every year, like 3.x or 4.x.  and
there can be maintain releases like 3.x.x between major releases for
fixes of critical issues.

TLS is an valid idea. But we should not do that until we see tangible
requirments from users and we have enough contributors for that.  By
far, we should encourge users to upgrade to next major release.  For
example, we would not provide new 3.4.x release after 3.5 is out,
although that would be good for certain users. But not quite practical
for us.

Release after 3.5 can be named as 3.6 or 4.0, purely depends on how
many improvement we can make in it. It doesn't matter where the
improvments come from.


On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Jürgen Schmidt
 wrote:
> On 7/10/12 11:30 PM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:43 AM, Pedro Giffuni  wrote:
>>
>>> Just my $0.02
>>>
>>> --- Mar 10/7/12, Rob Weir  ha scritto:
>>>
>
 But of course the open source ethos is "release early;
 release often".
  So we need some way to balance that as well.

>>>
>>> I don't think that would play well for this project. It
>>> has certainly been bad for other projects already. We
>>> don't want to put out experimental releases. People pretty
>>> just much want an Office suite that does what AOO does now
>>> but is bug free.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with Pedro here. I'm not sure it would be a good idea to put
>> "stress" on the project this way, though I DO think that some ongoing
>> "feasibility planning" for regular releases might be a good idea.
>
> I think the point Simon wanted to address is the general approach we
> would like to follow in the future. Means some kind of release model.
> And I think that is a very important thing and we should find a common
> agreement on how we an to move forward. This is independent of any
> Symphony feature/fix integration code merging work.
>
> The point from Rob for a LTS release is of course really valid and
> important as well. Companies don't switch their deployments often and
> don't take all minor releases.
>
> General versioning scheme
>
> ..
>
>  = only critical bug and security fixes
>  =  + smaller enhancement, improvements, new features
> without bigger UI changes. Smaller UI changes are of course possible.
>  =  + everything else but with a good planning and
> communication to include documentation, marketing etc.
>
> A 3-4 month cycle for  releases seems to be reasonable and I
> would like to try it. We will see and learn over time if it is too time
> consuming or if we can manage it. And of course we have to be flexible
> if critical security fixes come up.
>
> 6 or 12 month cycle for  releases is both ok for me. 6 is better
> from a community perspective to include contributions from new
> developers as soon as possible.
>
> And  releases depends on the ideas and changes we want to make in
> the future. I would not say that we have to make a major release every 2
> years or so, it really depends on the content.  But of course a 2 year
> cycle sounds good and gives us enough opportunity to push some marketing
> activities around it.
>
>>
>>
>>> I would prefer if we focus on two levels:
>>>
>>> 3.5 Release including all the low hanging fruit: updates
>>> to ICU and Python better support for MS format, VBA.
>>>
>>
>> I've been wondering about a possible "3.5" release myself. Juergen and
>> others have mentioned *it*, but we don't seem to have a document for it on
>> the planning wiki.
>
> talking about it was quite easy because it was simply a + 0.1 ;-) I am
> happy that Simon brought it up now. We should create a 3.5 wiki page and
> I will do it later today that we can start the planning.
>
> In a 3.5 we can integrate many fixes and fidelity improvements from
> Symphony as Simon pointed out without bigger UI changes but of huge
> value for customers who have to work deal with MS formats etc. And of
> course we will increase the quality.
> And we can of course and I hope we will include some other new things
> not from Symphony as well. That means developers can start to add their
> new stuff as well. Just propose it and do it! And of course discuss it
> if potential concerns come up ;-)
>
>>
>> Maybe we could skip a 3.4.2. release if we feel so inclined and include any
>> additional bug fixes in 3.5 with your suggestions here. At any rate, maybe
>> someone could start a 3.5 doc on the planning wiki. Maybe shoot for end of
>> normal 3rdQ?
>
> That would be possible but taking the LTS idea into account I would
> prefer a 3.4.2 with only critical bug and security fixes. And a 3.5 as
> proposed in Q1/2013.
>
> That is just my opinion
>
> Juergen
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 4.0 Release - Merging Symphony and perhaps adding some
>>> new features.
>>>
>>
>> yes...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> We can work on them sequentially (first 3.5 then 4.0) or
>>> in parallel letting some fruits from 4.0 fall into 3.5
>>> when they are stable. No strong opinion.
>>>
>>> Pedro.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [Proposal] implement the underline color im/export in Writer for MS filter

[Yong Lin Ma]

Zuo Jun,
This is a pure enhencment. You can just go ahead and call for review
when the fix is ready.



On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 5:17 PM, ZuoJun Chen  wrote:
> Hi, all
>
> I often received Word documents underlined with different colors for
> highlighting
>
> the important parts of  content. However, the underline color of text would
> always become
>
> automatic black color in Apache Open Office, which is the mostly used word
> processor
>
> in my daily work. It is annoying that I have to switch between Writer and
> MS Word in this case.
>
> I want underline color can be supported in Writer when open or save as Word
> document.
>
> thus I have investigated how underline color works in document model and
> write a wiki for my idea,
>
> see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Writer/Underline_Color.
>
> Currently I would like to work on support  im/export underline color in
> Writer WW8 filter,
>
> furthermore, I want to support underline color import for OOXML format
> document,
>
> which is quite different from MS binary format. Is there anyone find this
> feature useful for your work?
>
> Any comment or suggestion would be appreciated.
>
> Regards - Zuojun

Re: development question of future feature

[Yong Lin Ma]

You may share ideas with Kevin who is working on UI changes backlogs.

Or propose ideas by yourself here ...

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Christopher Jackson
 wrote:
> I am writing to ask you if there is any desire among you and the developers
> of OpenOffice to update the user interface for the suite?
>
>
>
> your competitor, microsoft of course has updated their user interface. as a
> simple user, I think updating the user interface would greatly improve the
> product. we can't always sit in one spot and never change.
>
>
>
> thanks for you time.
>
>
>
> Chris Jackson
>
> Maryland USA
>

Re: development question of future feature

[Yong Lin Ma]

Just for the property sidebar. Kevin have done some analysis about how
it can be integrated into AOO.

The problem is the migration of it from Symphony won't be
straightforward and no one is actually working on it as far as I know.

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Guy Waterval  wrote:
> Hi Yong Lin Ma,
>
>
> 2012/7/16 Yong Lin Ma 
>
>> You may share ideas with Kevin who is working on UI changes backlogs.
>>
>> Or propose ideas by yourself here ...
>>
>
> What I find a great feature in LS is the "Context sensitive toolbar" which
> allows to reduce the number of available toolbars in the Vue menu. But OK,
> I'm a Symphony user. Perhaps this feature would be found unpleasant for
> most OpenOffice users.
> Meanwhile, the impossibility to deplace this toolbar in the work area is
> perhaps discutable.
>
> A+
> --
> gw

Introduction

[Yong Lin Ma]

Hello everyone,

This is Erik Ma from IBM Symphony team. I am the Architect of Symphony. I 
work on the project since 2002. I ever worked on 
Infobox(Sidebar in Symphony), Stability, Performance, Java integration and 
Mac OS X support.

I am a member(invited on regular basis) of OpenOffice.org ESC. I visited 
Sun in Hamburg in 2008 and attend OpenOffice.org conference 2008 and 2009 
to introduce Symphony.

I also worked with teams on contributing Accessibility, number/bullet 
enhancement, password protection and some memory leaks fixes to 
OpenOffice.org.

Apache OpenOffice is a new start for the OpenOffice community. This is not 
a completely new community, cause People matter. But definitely it will be 
run 
in a new way. And I am here willing to help.





Erik Ma

Yong Lin Ma
Architect of IBM Lotus Symphony 
86-10-82452781 Tie Line: 905-2781

Re: Symphony contribution

[Yong Lin Ma]

A few things I like to clarify.

We are not announcing giving up Symphony development. IBM has business 
commitment with Symphony and its users.

We are willing to contribute the whole Symphony to community. The code 
would be available to the community. (The C++ part of Symphony, also 
the counterpart of OO.o in Symphony). Features/Fixes which can be accepted 
by community will be integrated into Apache OpenOffice. Since we 
are managing Symphony development with ClearCase/Clearquest, it would be 
more easier for us to do the integration. But other committers definitely 
can help and speed up the work.

By far, we should focus on getting the first Apache OpenOffice release 
done.

A little technical background about Symphony
1, Symphony is based on both OpenOffice.org and Eclipse technologies. It 
can be seen as an OpenOffice.org instance (C++) embedded in a Java window.
The menu/toolbars and the tab windows are all implemented with the help of 
IBM Expeditor(Eclipse based technology). All the C++ libraries are 
packaged 
and managed by Eclipse plugins.

2, Symphony provide Java interface and lotus script interface for 
application developer in development toolkit. OpenOffice.org extension 
won't work in Symphony.

3, A key performance improvement in Symphony is Async document loading for 
Writer and Presentation documents. User can see document content get 
displayed before the whole document content get loaded. It would be more 
difficult to integrate this into Apache OpenOffice than other features 
Symphony has




Regards.


Erik Ma

Yong Lin Ma
Architect of IBM Lotus Symphony 



Am 07/14/2011 12:00 AM, schrieb Rob Weir:
> I'm sending this with my IBM "hat".
>
> I'm going to be speaking at the ODF Plugfest in Berlin Friday
> afternoon, and will be making some announcements.  I wanted you to
> hear this first, before anyone else knows.

Great, thanks for this.

> [...]
>
> We will be doing the following:
>
> First, we're going to contribute the standalone version of Lotus
> Symphony to the Apache OpenOffice.org project, under the Apache 2.0
> license.   We'll also work with project members to prioritize which
> pieces make sense to integrate into OpenOffice.  For example, we've
> already done a lot of work with replacing GPL/LPGL dependencies.
> Using the Symphony code could help accelerate that work and get us to
> an AOOo release faster.  We've already converted the help files to
> DITA, which could help accelerate that work, if we chose to go in that
> direction.

This looks like a very big step as you giveup your separat development - 
at least I understand it this way.

Maybe you could tell us a bit more about when you plan to integrate the 
selected code pieces? The reason for asking is the following:

I hope that we first can stabilize the original OOo code to get the 
first release done - the OOo 3.4 is (OK, was) already in Beta mode, so 
just a few more fixes and then we would have our release. Now at Apache 
we may have to work on some dependencies to eleminate which otherwise 
would prevent an official release. But I think also this is doable 
within this year.

After the release is done we can make the big step to integrate the 
Symphony code and move towards a new release.

An alternative would be to stabilize the 3.4 code and then branching, so 
that we have a release branch 
(.../repos/asf/incubator/ooo/branches/ooo34) and the normal dev branch 
(.../repos/asf/incubator/ooo/trunk/). Then it's possible to work on both 
- if we have enough man power to do both in parallel. ;-)

I hope you have the same process in mind. Otherwise if you thought about 
to integrate the Symphony stuff and then doing our first release at 
Apache, I fear it will need much more time then just a few months.

> For example, the IAccessible2 work which helps
> Symphony work better with assistive technology.I know an older
> version of this work sits in an OOo CWS someplace, but it will be
> easier to integrate that work if we start with our latest code.

Malte is knowing this part best and I hope he can help to integrate this 
well.

> Also, as the PC Magazine review notes, we've done some really good UI
> work.  I invite you to download Symphony [2] and take a closer look at
> this.  Yes, it is different from what OOo has today.  And a move of
> that magnitude has an impact on documentation and translations as
> well.   But the feedback we've received from customers and reviewers
> is very positive.  Do we integrate parts of the Symphony UI?  That is
> something for the project to discuss and decide on.

Shame on me as I don't know much about Symphony yet but looking at the 
screenshots the tabbed documents looks like a great feature.

> So that's essentially what I'll be announcing on Friday.  The above
> contributions will occur over the ne

Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote

[Yong Lin Ma]

+ 1 Time to move forward further

On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the
> optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
> willingness/readiness to govern ourselves.  If this vote passes then
> we continue by drafting a charter, submitting it for IPMC endorsement,
> and then to the ASF Board for final approval.   Details can be found
> in the "Guide to Successful Graduation".
>
> Everyone in the community is encouraged to vote.  Votes from PPMC
> members and Mentors are binding.  This vote will run 72-hours.
>
>
> [ ] +1  Apache OpenOffice community is ready to graduate from the
> Apache Incubator.
> [ ] +0 Don't care.
> [ ] -1  Apache OpenOffice community is not ready to graduate from the
> Apache Incubator because...
>
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#tlp-community-vote



-- 
Regards

Yong Lin Ma

Re: [PERSONAL] My absence

[Yong Lin Ma]

Don,
Sorry to hear about that. Best wishes to you and your family.


On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:28 AM, Donald Harbison  wrote:
> I feel it necessary to explain why I have been absent from discussions here
> and on ooo-private recently.
>
> My wife was stricken with a serious medical emergency Wednesday, August
> 29th. She is recovering after surgery, and is in an intensive care unit
> here in one of the top hospitals in Boston. Needless to say, my attention
> is not on Apache OpenOffice as much as I love this project and community.
> The past week has been personally very stressful and exhausting. Next week
> looks a whole lot better as her condition has improved dramatically and she
> is now on the path to recovery.
>
> Graduation is a very important goal, I will be doing what I can to help
> with this. I've also been actively leading the OpenOffice track development
> for ApacheCon EU. Oliver-Rainer Wittmann has stepped in to take over this
> effort over the past week. Thank you Oliver.
>
> Thanks for your understanding. The medical team is optimistic that my wife
> will have a full recovery, but it will be a lengthy process.  In the
> meantime, I do plan to crank up my work engine as her care and situation
> have now become much more stabilized.



-- 
Regards

Yong Lin Ma

Re: [DISCUSS] ML Moderators

[Yong Lin Ma]

I would like to be a moderators for ooo-dev if needed.

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:
> Hi -
>
> Since Rob and Dennis will be leaving their ML moderators it is time to 
> revisit all of the lists. There are others that need action. I think we 
> should be replacing mentors (unless they explicitly choose to remain.)
>
> I think the action list and number of moderators needed is:
> ooo-commits - 2
> ooo-dev - 1
> ooo-issues - 2
> ooo-notifications - 2
> ooo-private - 2
> ooo-security - 2
> ooo-users - 2
> ooo-users-fr - ?
>
>
> Below I put a ? where I think we need people
>
> ooo-announce
> imacat
> robweir - Rob did not include this in his list.
> ?
>
> ooo-commits
> danese - Mentor
> robweir
> ?
> ?
>
> ooo-dev
> robweir
> danese - mentor
> pj
> ?
> ?
>
> ooo-general-es
> arielch
> juanm...@gmail.com
>
> ooo-general-ja
> khirano
> maho
>
> ooo-geral-ptbr
> bino28
> filhocf
> lcolui...@gmail.com
>
> ooo-issues
> danese - mentor
> rubys - mentor
> ?
> ?
>
> ooo-l10n
> khirano
> paolopoz
> robweir
> yo
>
> ooo-marketing
> bmcs
> yo
> jsc
> jza
> khirano
> pj
> robweir
> si...@webmink.com
>
> ooo-notifications
> danese - mentor
> rubys - mentor
> ?
> ?
>
> ooo-private
> robweir
> danese - mentor
> jsc
> orcmid
> ? Louis?
> ?
>
> ooo-progetto-it
> dav...@flossconsulting.it
> paolopoz
> pescetti
>
> ooo-qa
> lilyzh...@gmail.com
> maho
> robweir
>
> ooo-security
> malte
> robweir
> ?
> Who is left on this list as subscribers?
>
> ooo-users
> khirano
> orcmid
> pj
> robweir
> si...@webmink.com
> ?
>
> ooo-users-de
> mikeadvo
> rbircher
>
> ooo-users-fr
> ericb2 - resigned from ppmc / committer.
> vince...@laposte.net
> water...@sunrise.ch
> What are we doing with the French list. Anyone know?
>
> ooo-utenti-it
> dav...@flossconsulting.it
> paolopoz
> pescetti
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>



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Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Yong Lin Ma]

Here is my ten.

David Fisher (wave)
Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison)
Drew Jensen (atjensen)
Ian Lynch (ingotian)
Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
Peter Junge (pj)
RGB.ES (rgb-es)
Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)


On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> (top posting after private messages - I cannot describe the shame I feel...
> ;-)
>
> I have an option that I believe will handle Andrea's concerns.  I have
> spoken with Ross and he is amenable to receiving Proposed PMC entries off
> list.
> If anyone is concerned about sending their list to ooo-dev, you can send it
> to Ross ( rgardler at apache) instead, and at the end of the period (next
> Sunday), he will send an anonymized summary of the votes he has received,
> along with a breakdown of submissions by committers/PPMC vs other community
> members.
>
> We have received lists from 10 people and have 25 nominees with multiple
> votes.  It would be great to get even more feedback.
>
> A.
>
>
>
>
> On 9/18/2012 1:17 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
>>
>> On 17/09/2012 Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>
>>> * This is not a vote. This is a search for consensus. Please no '-1'
>>> replies. Let's see what this process produces, and then discuss
>>> from there.
>>
>>
>> It seems that the process is working quite well, and that we are on the
>> right way to bootstrap a PMC by consensus.
>>
>> I surely don't want to block the current process, but I wonder if allowing
>> people to "vote" (actually, express preferences) anonymously would be better
>> for some volunteers/cultures. Our mentors have often stated that we have
>> secure voting solutions available, but maybe this is overkill and
>> time-consuming, and it would be enough to allow people to send their lists
>> to a mentor (if available), who would repost them here.
>>
>> It is not an issue that I feel personally: it's OK for me to continue with
>> public messages on ooo-dev. But it could be that others have problems, and
>> in that case I'd encourage them to speak up so that we can find a way to
>> ensure that everyone can express their opinions.
>>
>> Regards,
>>   Andrea.
>
>



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Re: [PMC] Proposed PMC List

[Yong Lin Ma]

Louis,
You are on the list. So to Ian. You may understand the process.  There
will be far more ten
on the final PMC roster.   This is a chance to give others credits,
especially those not been mentioned on any lists yet.



On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
> I would agree with Peter's list but would ask that Ian Lynch be considered. 
> Here's why: Whom do we have speaking on behalf of education and ecosystem 
> development? As I'm not on this list—and I'm not suggesting I ought to be—I 
> think that someone like Ian, who's work is so involved with OO and has 
> been—would provide good insight into how what is done at Apache OO affects 
> the ecosystem as a whole.
>
> Louis
>
>
> On 12-09-19, at 03:40 , Peter Junge  wrote:
>
>> Here's my list of 10:
>> Andrew Rist (arist)
>> Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>> Donald P. Harbison (dpharbison)
>> Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>> Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>> Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>> Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>> RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>> Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>> Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>>
>> (Would have been easier if I were allowed to name 5 or 6 more)
>>
>> On 9/18/2012 2:13 AM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>
>>> Andre Fischer (af)
>>> Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>>> Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>>> Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>>> Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>>> Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>>> Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>>> Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>>> Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>>> RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>>>
>>>
>>
>



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Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Yong Lin Ma]

-1.

Herbert,
I would like to save you the effort to make the change, even if it
won't cost much.

The key thing here is we should be careful and avoid opening duplicate
or invalid issues as many as we can.

I would like to see some concrete examples, especially invalid issues.
And see if this is pervasive for all the reporters who have confirm
right.





On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Herbert Duerr  wrote:
> On 19.09.2012 20:34, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 02:24:11PM +0200, Oliver Brinzing wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Regina,
>>>
>>>> Your own new issue should be UNCONFIRMED. Someone else should confirm
>>>> your issue, if possible on a different operating system.
>>>
>>>
>>> i am pretty sure that i did not set the "confirmed" status when
>>> submitting a new issue,
>>> default status is "confirmed" - and you have to select "Show Advanced
>>> Fields"
>>> to see the listbox ... this seems to be the root cause of the problem ...
>>
>>
>> I agree with Oliver, the default status should be set to UNCONFIRMED
>> even if the reporter has canconfirm privileges. IMHO "confirmed" means
>> "confirmed by some else".
>
>
> Seeing so much consensus I'm confident that we'll reach "lazy consensus" by
> next monday (2012/9/19 + 72h) and I volunteer to change the behavior then.
>
> So please speak up now if you disagree with the opinion that the extra step
> to the "confirmed" status is an idea that does benefit the quality of our
> project.
>
> Herbert



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Re: [QA] Quality of bug reports and QA in bugzilla

[Yong Lin Ma]

Sure. This is not to blame anyone. We are all here to contribute.

We all can learn and grow from this. On the other hand, it proved
again that expertise is needed to open high quality issues.


On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Regina Henschel
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yong Lin Ma schrieb:
>
>> -1.
>>
>> Herbert,
>> I would like to save you the effort to make the change, even if it
>> won't cost much.
>>
>> The key thing here is we should be careful and avoid opening duplicate
>> or invalid issues as many as we can.
>>
>> I would like to see some concrete examples, especially invalid issues.
>> And see if this is pervasive for all the reporters who have confirm
>> right.
>
>
> I will not blame single reporters here, please look yourself.
>
> You can search this way:
> Switch to "Advanced Search"
> Near the bottom of the page expand "Custom Search"
> From the first drop down list choose "Resolution", from the second list
> "changed to", and in the third field write INVALID, or write DUPLICATE or
> -if you want both- list them as INVALID,DUPLICATE.
>
> To constrain your search to a specific period, for example issues since
> April, use a second row. From first drop down list choose "Creation date",
> from second list "is greater than or equal to", and in the third field write
> a date in ISO form, for example "2012-04-01".
>
> Search
>
> If the reporter is not shown in the bug list, scroll to the end of the bug
> list and click on "Change Columns". Move "Reporter" from the left list to
> the right list.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>
>
>
>
>



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Re: [PMC] Proposed Initial PMC List and process

[Yong Lin Ma]

Andrew,
Thanks a lot. This is a big progress.

But to me, the 3 is a magic number. Did we reach consesus with it?


I would suggest we develop a plan to discuss all the member who have
been nominated but not in current lis. This can be done before or
after initial PMC list be finalized.



On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 2:35 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> I would like to propose the following list as the initial PMC for Apache
> OpenOffice, with a procedure for consolidating this list into a final list.
>
>  * The list is made up of the names that received more than 3
>nominations.  This was a spot in the data that had a step.  This
>produces a list of 23 names which is 'no too big, and not too small'.
>  * We will reach out on list to the people on the list to verify their
>interest and commitment to the PMC.  This may result in the removal
>of several names.
>  * I want to avoid too much discussion on individual names, as all of
>the people who received nominations (and some who did not) have
>given a lot to this project.  If there is a particular person who is
>missing from the list, who has overwhelming merit, they should be
>added to the list through a consensus process.
>  * Note that this will be the initial PMC, and that one of the
>functions of the PMC going forward will be to identify those of
>considerable merit and add them to the PMC, continually refreshing
>the PMC to represent the project.
>
> Proposed Process:
>
>  * 48 hour window to build consensus on this process moving forward
>(Tues-Wed)
>  * 48 hour (+48 hour weekend) discussion period (Thurs-Fri + Sat Sun) -
>stabilization of the finalized Initial PMC List
>  * 72 hour vote on the resulting list as the initial PMC list (ending
>next Wed.)
>
>
> Proposed Working List:
>
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
>Dave Fisher (wave)
>Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>Drew Jensen (atjensen)
>Ian Lynch (ingotian)
>Jürgen Schmidt (jsc)
>Kay Schenk (kschenk)
>Kazunari Hirano (khirano)
>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>Marcus Lange (marcus)
>Oliver-Rainer Wittmann (orw)
>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>Peter Junge (pj)
>    Raphael Bircher (rbircher)
>Regina Henschel (regina)
>RGB.ES (rgb-es)
>Roberto Galoppini (galoppini)
>Yang Shih-Ching (imacat)
>Yong Lin Ma (mayongl)
>
>
>



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Re: [proposed PMC] call for feedback: Are you willing to serve as a PMC member?

[Yong Lin Ma]

I'm willing to serve on the PMC.


On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 9:06 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
 wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 11:37:23AM +0200, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> this is a call for feedback to the people who are (currently) on the
>> proposed PMC list.
>> Please provide feedback, if you are willing to serve as a PMC member.
>>
>> The current (copied from initial post of thread [1]) proposed PMC list is:
>>
>> >Proposed Working List:
>> >
>> >   Andre Fischer (af)
>> >   Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>> >   Andrew Rist (arist)
>> >   Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>
> I'm willing to serve.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Ariel Constenla-Haile
> La Plata, Argentina



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Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair

[Yong Lin Ma]

I would also like to nominate
  Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
   Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
   Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
as candidates of the PMC Chair.

They are all well known in the community.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti.
> Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project,
> and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>
>> Moving right along...
>>
>> I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair.  The
>> previous proposed process was discussed in:
>> http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd
>> I'd like to take up where that left off.
>>
>> Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original:
>>
>>You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here:
>>http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>
>>1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours.  Anyone can nominate
>>someone for the role.  Self-nominations are fine.  And of course
>>nominations can be declined.
>>
>>2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there
>>are no sustained objections.
>>
>>3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for
>>another 72 hours.  Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some
>>subjects might be directed to ooo-private.
>>
>>4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees
>>then we vote.  Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes
>>would be from PPMC members.  If there are more than 2 candidates,
>>there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of
>>the nominees receive an outright majority.
>>
>>
>> (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more
>> complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more
>> than two nominees.)
>> I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin
>> the process now.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>



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Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair

[Yong Lin Ma]

I would like to support any of them (include Andrea Pescetti) to be the Chair.

Right now, it depends on who of them willing to take the role and how
the we will choose from them.

After we get a list of confirmed candidates, we can vote for them.
Every one can vote for one or more than one. And finally the one who
get the most tickets (need reach a bar)  will be the chair.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM, imacat  wrote:
> On 2012/09/28 10:55, Yong Lin Ma said:
>> I would also like to nominate
>>   Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>> as candidates of the PMC Chair.
>
> I suppose we have only one chair.  Are you really sure you want to
> nominate more than one person?  This might mean potential conflict on
> which one you support.
>
>>
>> They are all well known in the community.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
>>> I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti.
>>> Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project,
>>> and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Moving right along...
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair.  The
>>>> previous proposed process was discussed in:
>>>> http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd
>>>> I'd like to take up where that left off.
>>>>
>>>> Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original:
>>>>
>>>>You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here:
>>>>http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>>
>>>>1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours.  Anyone can nominate
>>>>someone for the role.  Self-nominations are fine.  And of course
>>>>nominations can be declined.
>>>>
>>>>2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there
>>>>are no sustained objections.
>>>>
>>>>3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for
>>>>another 72 hours.  Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some
>>>>subjects might be directed to ooo-private.
>>>>
>>>>4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees
>>>>then we vote.  Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes
>>>>would be from PPMC members.  If there are more than 2 candidates,
>>>>there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of
>>>>the nominees receive an outright majority.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more
>>>> complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have 
>>>> more
>>>> than two nominees.)
>>>> I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin
>>>> the process now.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair

[Yong Lin Ma]

Andrew declined to be the Chair before. It would be great if he
changed his mind.

Anyone can confirm that?

Sorry if I missed something.

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti.
> Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the project,
> and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
> On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>
>> Moving right along...
>>
>> I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair.  The
>> previous proposed process was discussed in:
>> http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd
>> I'd like to take up where that left off.
>>
>> Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original:
>>
>>You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here:
>>http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>
>>1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours.  Anyone can nominate
>>someone for the role.  Self-nominations are fine.  And of course
>>nominations can be declined.
>>
>>2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there
>>are no sustained objections.
>>
>>3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for
>>another 72 hours.  Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some
>>subjects might be directed to ooo-private.
>>
>>4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees
>>then we vote.  Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes
>>would be from PPMC members.  If there are more than 2 candidates,
>>there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of
>>the nominees receive an outright majority.
>>
>>
>> (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more
>> complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have more
>> than two nominees.)
>> I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin
>> the process now.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>>
>



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Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair

[Yong Lin Ma]

Just a reminder, we are still in the 72 hours window of looking for candidates.

There is no hurry to vote for anyone.  Let's focus on finding
candidates who can be and willing be the Chair.



On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 11:35 AM, imacat  wrote:
> On 2012/09/29 10:16, Yong Lin Ma said:
>> I would like to support any of them (include Andrea Pescetti) to be the 
>> Chair.
>>
>> Right now, it depends on who of them willing to take the role and how
>> the we will choose from them.
>>
>> After we get a list of confirmed candidates, we can vote for them.
>> Every one can vote for one or more than one. And finally the one who
>> get the most tickets (need reach a bar)  will be the chair.
>
> Actually, I was not asking why or how this is done.  I was stating
> the conflict behind this.  In short, nominating more than one person for
> the chair is self-contraction.  This violates the purpose of nomination,
> and should not happen.
>
> And also, should we add a rule of nomination that one person can
> only nominate one candidate?  This rule is most common in all kinds of
> elections.
>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 7:06 PM, imacat  wrote:
>>> On 2012/09/28 10:55, Yong Lin Ma said:
>>>> I would also like to nominate
>>>>   Donald Harbison (dpharbison)
>>>>Louis Suarez-Potts (louis)
>>>>Pedro Giffuni (pfg)
>>>> as candidates of the PMC Chair.
>>>
>>> I suppose we have only one chair.  Are you really sure you want to
>>> nominate more than one person?  This might mean potential conflict on
>>> which one you support.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They are all well known in the community.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Andrew Rist  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti.
>>>>> Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the 
>>>>> project,
>>>>> and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/27/2012 2:42 PM, Andrew Rist wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moving right along...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to restart the discussion over choosing a PMC Chair.  The
>>>>>> previous proposed process was discussed in:
>>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/mrgnjtiuum5bovjd
>>>>>> I'd like to take up where that left off.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the process (with minor modifications) from the original:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can read about the duties of a PMC Chair here:
>>>>>>http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#chair
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1) Nominations would be open for 72 hours.  Anyone can nominate
>>>>>>someone for the role.  Self-nominations are fine.  And of course
>>>>>>nominations can be declined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2) If there is only one nomination, then we are done, provided there
>>>>>>are no sustained objections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3) If there is more than one nomination we discuss on the list for
>>>>>>another 72 hours.  Discussion would primarily be on ooo-dev, but some
>>>>>>subjects might be directed to ooo-private.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>4) If after 72-hours discussion there are still two or more nominees
>>>>>>then we vote.  Everyone would be welcome to vote, but binding votes
>>>>>>would be from PPMC members.  If there are more than 2 candidates,
>>>>>>there will be a run-off vote between the top two nominees if none of
>>>>>>the nominees receive an outright majority.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (note: the last item was changed from the original - nothing more
>>>>>> complicated than a two way run-off is needed, as it is unlikely we have 
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> than two nominees.)
>>>>>> I think this process is straight forward enough that we should just begin
>>>>>> the process now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] [PMC] Proposed PMC Chair

[Yong Lin Ma]

Sure. Let's wait for Andrew's response.

But whether Andrew accept it or not, I hope other PMC members who are
willing to take the Chair role do not hesitate to step up.

Whoever be the Chair finally will get the support of the whole team.

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:07 PM, Rob Weir  wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts  wrote:
>>
>> On 12-09-29, at 03:48 , Dave Barton  wrote:
>>
>>>  Original Message  
>>> From: Donald Harbison 
>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2012 13:16:25 -0400
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Andrew Rist  
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I would like to nominate Andrea Pescetti.
>>>>> Andrea is one of the most active and well respected members of the 
>>>>> project,
>>>>> and I believe he would make a great PMC Chair.
>>>>
>>>> +1 Andrea has demonstrated a solid understanding of open source
>>>> community leadership principles. He is articulate, and perceptive. I
>>>> believe that Andrea has passion for OpenOffice and our success, and
>>>> will make an excellent chair.
>>>
>>> +1 I agree.
>>
>> Am I missing something? didn't Andrea Pescetti previously state his 
>> disinclination to serve in such a role?
>>
>
> These are nominations.  Nominees will have the opportunity to accept
> or decline the nomination.  And if you recall, the proposed PMC roster
> includes one person who previously resigned from the PPMC.  So there
> is nothing wrong with evolving one's views.
>
> -Rob
>
>> Louis



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Re: [VOTE] [PMC] Starting Membership for Apache OpenOffice PMC

[Yong Lin Ma]

+1 Approve.



On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Andrew Rist  wrote:
> This is a call for vote on selecting the following list as the starting
> membership for the Apache OpenOffice PMC, to be listed in the TLP
> resolution.  The voting is for the entire slate as listed.
>
>Apache OpenOffice PMC Starting Membership:
>Andre Fischer (af)
>Andrea Pescetti (pescetti)
>Andrew Rist (arist)
>Ariel Constenla-Haile (arielch)
>Armin Le Grand (alg)
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>4 October: 2012-10-04T24:00Z.
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>The [DISCUSS] for this vote was enthusiastically in favor. There were no
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Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability

[Yong Lin Ma]

Zhun,
Could you recap your proposal for AOO again?


It is a battle between ODF and OOXML. It is not negotiable.
Introducing a new format would not help. (html can help under certain
circumstance) .
For AOO, improving its interoperability with ooxml is important and we
get contributors working on it. MS also claims its support to ODF, but
it is not countable for solving the interoperability issues between
ODF and OOXML.




On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:22 PM, zhun guo  wrote:
> To Dennis, why not consider about HTML ?
>
> Zhun Guo



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Re: Ask for advice:cloud office interoperability

[Yong Lin Ma]

That is an nice expectation.

What do you suggest the AOO community do except improving AOO's
interoperability with ooxml?


On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 8:18 PM, zhun guo  wrote:
> To Yong Lin Ma,my proposal is to get all office software to be convenient
> for common user, include native office software or cloud office software. I
> like ODF,OOXML,PDF or HTML  . And you?
>
> Zhun Guo



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