Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
I agree with kebabber. Solaris is the most common server operating system. When reliability, predictability and uniform upgrades and support are required, sensible IT teams always chose Solaris. It is a known fact in the veteran community. Unfortunately, newbies and google engineers do not seem to understand that. It's sad. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
Ha! That was pretty funny. Thanks for the laugh ;) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
All I'm reading is that you think Oracle/Sun has such a great QA process (I have no doubts about it) that it can ignore users' bug reports, they are just going to prove what you've already found, which is sufficient for the purposes of releasing your software. This show how much *some* Oracle/Sun people value external contributions. Look for some papers on how increased visibility through open source usually ensures high quality code since you've thousands of people looking at it, submitting detailed bug reports and even small fixes. You cannot seriously think your limited number of internal engineers is able to catch all the important bugs/issues. I think people running the first ZFS dedup code would agree with me. Like I previously said, at this point anything is fine (closed or not)... Oracle just needs to let everybody know what it wants from/for OpenSolaris. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
Thanks for the clarification Alan :) On 6 Jul 2010, at 22:46, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Ben wrote: While OpenSolaris isn't an open source project, isn't Indiana an open source project? That question seems to be confused about both what OpenSolaris is and what open source is. Indiana was the code name of the project to build the distro that was then given the name OpenSolaris. It's been open to some amount of community participation, but the core release management of that distro was always unfortunately done behind closed doors at Sun - Sun announced the schedule it chose based on the availability of Sun's resources to produce test it, and alignment with Sun's other product releases events like JavaOne, we didn't take community votes on release scheduling. Sun was open about many parts of the process, but not all (I certainly went to weekly distro engineering/planning meetings that were not open to the public and which we were not allowed to share all the information from with the public). Much of the code for the OpenSolaris distro comes from the open source project OpenSolaris - in that project (really, that family of related projects hosted on opensolaris.org) the community has been able to participate in various ways, though again, the bulk of the work and some key decision making was always done by Sun employees. OpenSolaris, in both forms, is mostly open source - the source for most of it (with some notable exceptions due to third party code that never got replaced) is available under an open source license. That's not the same as community developed or community controlled, but then many corporate-sponsored open source projects are that way - final decision making for Ubuntu lies in the hands of its Benevolent Dictator for Life (who just happens to be the one providing the financing), Fedora similarly has a project leader who works for Red Hat. And while Linus isn't beholden to one specific corporation, it is still he, not the community, who has ultimate decision authority over the Linux kernel. These projects may all be more open and transparent about their decisions and schedules than OpenSolaris has been lately, but that doesn't make the licenses stop complying with OSI's definition of open source, though it may not be what some people think of when they hear open source. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 7 Jul 2010, at 09:36, Giovanni Tirloni wrote: All I'm reading is that you think Oracle/Sun has such a great QA process (I have no doubts about it) that it can ignore users' bug reports I don't believe that at all. I don't know of any bug report that Oracle/Sun has 'ignored', now or in the past. (They may not have had the resources to fix it as quickly as the submitter might like, but that happens in all projects, open source or not.) , they are just going to prove what you've already found, which is sufficient for the purposes of releasing your software. Like I said in my previous reply, detailed bug reports are important to developers whether they're duplicates or not, and are treated as such by every project team I know of. Even your bug report contains identical information to a previously-submitted bug report, knowing that the bug is reproducible and by whom is important information that is never ignored. I'm not sure what gives you the impression that this isn't the case. (Especially as this is all currently hypothetical.) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.ben...@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 7 Jul 2010, at 12:23, Calum Benson wrote: Even your bug report contains identical information (Sorry, that's supposed to say Even if your bug report contains identical information...) -- CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.ben...@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
Hi Calum, Calum Benson píše v út 06. 07. 2010 v 21:19 +0100: On 6 Jul 2010, at 20:50, Rafael Barros Felix de Sousa wrote: Without the open source community (usually made of hardcore users with extensive knowledge of computing who usually work in IT companies or universities) support, they would lose even more clients, after all who would advocate for them besides theyselves also who would test their system before production release? While I'm sure we can all think of several potential disadvantages to closing the Solaris source again, I wouldn't say lack of QA would be one of them. Closed source, commercial software gets released all the time with sufficient testing, for example through formal beta programmes with paying customers -- very much like Sun used to do with Solaris, in fact. Just my personal oppinion - yes, there would be no lack of QA even in such bad situation, of course, but wider usage of pre-released versions is benefitial every time. None of QA can catch all real-life bugs (otherwise I would have no job in Solaris space). Personally I submitted bunch of CRs (including critical) only because somebody external had access to OpenSolaris and used it for his/her usecases. Also I fixed several unpleasant bugs discovered by external users (and not by QA for years). With high probability these bugs would not be discovered in QA process and would impact critical production systems later. So, this is one of the biggest benefits of free community, I think. Best regards, Milan ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Wouldn't it be bad for Oracle, entirely closing Solaris next release source? I mean Solaris doesn't have not even 1% of operating systems market share. Without the open source community (usually made of hardcore users with extensive knowledge of computing who usually work in IT companies or universities) support, they would lose even more clients, after all who would advocate for them besides theyselves also who would test their system before production release? It is better a bug in a simple John Doe's notebook/desktop/VM/VPS than in a multibillion dollar company's mainframe. I believe that closing next release source would be a step backwards and further to Solaris' demise. Most of the profit from enterprise systems (Red Hat or SUSE) comes from support and not from selling the software itself like MS Windows. And open source is known for decreasing RD costs and reducing risks and they could use some saving after acquiring Sun. Besides it would sooo sad to see it ending :-(, Solaris is the best Unix ( I still need Windows for gaming and some multimedia so I've scratched it out from the list) I've tried so far. So solid, so consistent and so stable. It just need more packages and to update some of them which already belongs to the collection. Sometimes I have to build software from source. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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To a database vendor, everything either looks like a database, or a place to run one, or something that interfaces with one? Ptui. I hope they're not that stupid. AFAIK, MS played around with the notion of a database-based filesystem, but never got it out the door. IBM has played around with the notion of making DB2 play a more important role on their systems, and I don't know that they pulled it off either. On the other hand, I gather that both of those know that the color of money is the same whether it comes from large or small customers. Those are not very good analogies, but my basic point is that it takes a bunch of tools to get a range of tasks done, and that one can make a profit by multiplying hundreds times tens of millions of customers as well as by multiplying millions times thousands of customers. Databases are no more central than operating systems, middleware, or a bunch of other software. And profit is profit. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 6 Jul 2010, at 20:50, Rafael Barros Felix de Sousa wrote: Without the open source community (usually made of hardcore users with extensive knowledge of computing who usually work in IT companies or universities) support, they would lose even more clients, after all who would advocate for them besides theyselves also who would test their system before production release? While I'm sure we can all think of several potential disadvantages to closing the Solaris source again, I wouldn't say lack of QA would be one of them. Closed source, commercial software gets released all the time with sufficient testing, for example through formal beta programmes with paying customers -- very much like Sun used to do with Solaris, in fact. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.ben...@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
While OpenSolaris isn't an open source project, isn't Indiana an open source project? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
While I'm sure we can all think of several potential disadvantages to closing the Solaris source again, I wouldn't say lack of QA would be one of them. Closed source, commercial software gets released all the time with sufficient testing, for example through formal beta programmes with paying customers -- very much like Sun used to do with Solaris, in fact. Sure! All bug reports submitted by users are quickly marked as duplicates of existing bugs that have already been submitted by paying customers participating in Beta programmes. Please don't insult everyone that has taken the time to submit detailed bug reports. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Ben wrote: While OpenSolaris isn't an open source project, isn't Indiana an open source project? That question seems to be confused about both what OpenSolaris is and what open source is. Indiana was the code name of the project to build the distro that was then given the name OpenSolaris. It's been open to some amount of community participation, but the core release management of that distro was always unfortunately done behind closed doors at Sun - Sun announced the schedule it chose based on the availability of Sun's resources to produce test it, and alignment with Sun's other product releases events like JavaOne, we didn't take community votes on release scheduling. Sun was open about many parts of the process, but not all (I certainly went to weekly distro engineering/planning meetings that were not open to the public and which we were not allowed to share all the information from with the public). Much of the code for the OpenSolaris distro comes from the open source project OpenSolaris - in that project (really, that family of related projects hosted on opensolaris.org) the community has been able to participate in various ways, though again, the bulk of the work and some key decision making was always done by Sun employees. OpenSolaris, in both forms, is mostly open source - the source for most of it (with some notable exceptions due to third party code that never got replaced) is available under an open source license. That's not the same as community developed or community controlled, but then many corporate-sponsored open source projects are that way - final decision making for Ubuntu lies in the hands of its Benevolent Dictator for Life (who just happens to be the one providing the financing), Fedora similarly has a project leader who works for Red Hat. And while Linus isn't beholden to one specific corporation, it is still he, not the community, who has ultimate decision authority over the Linux kernel. These projects may all be more open and transparent about their decisions and schedules than OpenSolaris has been lately, but that doesn't make the licenses stop complying with OSI's definition of open source, though it may not be what some people think of when they hear open source. -- -Alan Coopersmith-alan.coopersm...@oracle.com Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
On 6 Jul 2010, at 22:31, Giovanni Tirloni wrote: While I'm sure we can all think of several potential disadvantages to closing the Solaris source again, I wouldn't say lack of QA would be one of them. Closed source, commercial software gets released all the time with sufficient testing, for example through formal beta programmes with paying customers -- very much like Sun used to do with Solaris, in fact. Sure! All bug reports submitted by users are quickly marked as duplicates of existing bugs that have already been submitted by paying customers participating in Beta programmes. Please don't insult everyone that has taken the time to submit detailed bug reports. If such a situation were to ever to arise, detailed bug reports are important to developers whether they're duplicates or not, and are treated as such by every project team I know of. So there would be no reason for anyone to feel insulted, or that they'd wasted their time. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.ben...@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.sun.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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kmays wrote: The point is you could build an updated 'something' and call it something. /* Firstly, I would remind everyone that this is a *discussion* list. All topics involving OpenSolaris are open for discussion. So if you don't like what I'm saying, fine. But stuff a sock in that ignorant bullshit about how this is supposed to be a discussion list about code, because you're wrong, and it's not. Secondly, try to have a sense of humor about my frustration hyperbole, I assure you that not even I fully agree with some of the things you're about to read. I do think they need to be said though, and I know for a fact that I'm quite ignorant about whatever is going on. That's part of the problem though isn't it? */ Hmm, here are some naming ideas: Sickly Snake? Vicious Viper? The Arizona Project? Dark Matter? - (because no one can discover what's really going on) Mumbling Marketer? Sails Flails? Layoff Liars? Yournoose Mongoose? - (because the only one throat to choke is going to be your own) Fascist Freedom? - (Red White Black, Diese farben werden nicht ausgeführt!!) Bloody Bunny? Prefork Pidgin? DeepWater Horizon? Mouldering Morale? Larrys Sinking Ship? Look, before I get flamed by the fires of Oracles autocratic oven, I *know* there are developers working on code. I appreciate that, I really do. It's a small miracle and a testament to decency that everyone hasn't jumped ship. I doubt that it's appreciated, just expected exploited by Oracle management in a rough economy. That said, outside of those people's efforts, Oracle is failing with Sun. It is failing obviously badly to those of us who look to real world results that can be plugged into the wall, turned on in our hands in a somewhat mobile machine, or run on a computer at all. I don't know what it will take to kick Larry Ellison's autocratic egotistical mean ass out of his bubble of narcissistic cult worship, but right now all I see is shareholder value being pissed away because Oracle hasn't the faintest clue how to run a company who's core value relies on open source. An before you go knee jerking to drink the KoolAid, I highly suggest you go look at some of the crap *he* says, cause he damn sure has the unvarnished truth coming to him. The problem is he's so stinking rich no one's got the balls to tell him the truth, and he's rich enough not to have to listen to it anyway. Besides that, he's in love with a culture of mean, and that does NOT work with open source projects. No one's ever going to mistake him for a nice decent person, at least in business. The fact is, Oracle is blowing it, they're making simply awful mistakes with Sun that leave me gaping with surprise at how badly groupthink `none of us is as dumb as all of us' can ruin what they paid good money for. The company was not culturally prepared to buy Sun. Oracle is unwilling, and wholly unable (imao) to change it's own culture enough to make things work with Sun, and the results of that show. They show in statements Larry makes, they show in how Oracle marketing acts, doesn't act, and _blatantly_ fails with. Now, other than as absolute proof that I quite often don't give a flying crap about my online reputation, wtf is to be done about these problems? I don't know. I don't want to throw in the towel on OpenSolaris, but I am frustrated because things *I* want to work on are too hung up to get involved with right now, and because I like the OS from a technical CS perspective to want to leave it. What's going on with Oracle has me seriously concerned discouraged. Thus my angst. I'm not alone in my frustration, and I really wish Oracle would get it's corporate act together. Right now it provably does not have it's act remotely near together. You can play shoot the messenger all you want. I don't care, I don't have to care, and I fully expect it. The nice thing about growing used to abuse is that you learn how much of it ends up being self-serving lies. Pot-shots at the messenger won't put pants on the emperor either, and I certainly am not enamored with his game of `lifeboat' as a corporate model of `who do we eat next?'. Tim -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
I certainly am not enamored with his game of `lifeboat' as a corporate model of `who do we eat next?'. Two main options on the table are. Go with Oracles sponsorship and craft a working relationship ..this may involve a great cultural change,has great rewards.but the community would not be in control and ultimately carry risks. Form a separate not for profit community,rewrite,subsitute licensed code and produce a community edition, ulimatley this would require an arms length relationship with Oracle for things such as support. Will also carry risks but you would have control Clearly what ever you decide it must be customer focused,be developed at the market rate or greater, and be stable enough to deliver a environment for adoption. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Tim said: That said, outside of those people's efforts, Oracle is failing with Sun. It is failing obviously badly to those of us who look to real world results that can be plugged into the wall, turned on in our hands in a somewhat mobile machine, or run on a computer at all. - Well, Oracle is worth about $114 billion while IBM is at $165 billion. There are some 'real world' results that can turn Kool-Aid into wine. You have a point, but also know that many large corporations have decisions to make as well - and some of those same large corporations are still running Sun-based solutions. Some of those corporations and universities are still running Solaris 8/9/10 servers today. Oracle didn't kill off Solaris 10 - nor the OpenSolaris kernel. So on that note, you can create something and call it something. Also, if you read some other forums, OpenSolaris 2010.X is still forthcoming. I haven't heard of the project cancellation. There are some technologies that have lived long after their sponsors or creators. You have the right to pull the plug and walk away. But also know that no matter what solution you come up with, the same fate may reoccur sooner or later. Time to invest in those migration experts. But since this is a 'discussion' - the Emperor made a choice to continue the masquerade of being clothed when he was not (although made fully aware he was unclothed). No one forced the Emperor to make that choice. Some celebrities, magazines, and models make millions off of a very similar concept. Members of Club Bourgeoisie have those types of privileges to make a product like Solaris 11 (or aka Solaris 'X') come out of the work of millions of engineers and schools of academia - and not even worry about what clothes they have on for a given day (i.e. Why? They can pay other people for that). Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer... but I never said let the sharks swim in your bathtub. ~ Ken Mays -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
On 10/06/2010 06:44, Andrew Kolchoogin wrote: Have I got a car for you, next time you're looking for one: http://www.treehugger.com/picture-is-worth-sum-car-parts.jpg Easy assembly. Shouldn't take you long. Oh wait... Hm-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m... O.k, I'll consider bying it somewhat later if you kindly explain me where's the keyboard there to type pfexec nightly.sh... ;))) Have you actually done this ? I've been trying to do this on and off for two weeks, and I'm still trying. If you have a recipe that works, that would be great. When I finally get a working version, I'll try to recreate it and post the results. Rob -- E-Mail: rob.mcma...@warwick.ac.uk PHONE: +44 24 7652 3037 Rob McMahon, IT Services, Warwick University, Coventry, CV4 7AL, England ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 10/06/2010 10:08, Rob McMahon wrote: ;))) Hm-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m... O.k, I'll consider bying it somewhat later if you kindly explain me where's the keyboard there to type pfexec nightly.sh... Have you actually done this ? I've been trying to do this on and off for two weeks, and I'm still trying. If you have a recipe that works, that would be great. When I finally get a working version, I'll try to recreate it and post the results. Rob Okay, I'm on the verge of giving up, because I don't know how to progress from here. I've hg cloned, pulled, and updated onnv-gate, installed the closed binaries and the crypto stuff, updated the Sun compiler suite, added some symlinks so the build process could find them, copied stuff from /opt/onbld into the proto dir, hacked the env script to stop it undoing all my changes, and I felt like I was getting really close. I can't get past this one, though, and don't know how to move on. This error causes all manner of stuff to fail later on. Any clues ? wonky -- Job output /export/testws/usr/src/tools/proto/opt/onbld/bin/i386/cw -_cc -O -Xa -xildoff -errtags=yes -errwarn=%all -erroff=E_EMPTY_TRANSLATION_UNIT -erroff=E_STATEMENT_NOT_REACHED -xc99= %none-W0,-xglobalstatic -g -xc99=%none -W0,-noglobal -_gcc=-fno-dwarf2-indirect-strings -xdebugformat=stabs -DNATIVE_BUILD -I ../common -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/export/tes tws/usr/src/lib/libscf/inc -I/export/testws/usr/src/lib/libtecla -I/export/testws/usr/src/lib/libuutil/common -c -o manifest_find-native.o ../common/manifest_find.c + /usr/sfw/bin/gcc -fident -finline -fno-inline-functions -fno-builtin -fno-asm -nodefaultlibs -D__sun -O -Wall -Wno-unknown-pragmas -Wno-missing-braces -Wno-sign-compare -Wno-pa rentheses -Wno-uninitialized -Wno-implicit-function-declaration -Wno-unused -Wno-trigraphs -Wno-char-subscripts -Wno-switch -Werror -std=gnu89 -gdwarf-2 -std=gnu89 -fno-dwarf2-in direct-strings -DNATIVE_BUILD -I ../common -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/export/testws/usr/src/lib/libscf/inc -I/export/testws/usr/src/lib/libtecla -I/export/testws/usr/src/lib/libuu til/common -c -o /tmp/nightly.tmpdir.25649/.cwCAArhaqJK.o ../common/manifest_find.c ../common/manifest_find.c: In function `find_manifests': ../common/manifest_find.c:253: warning: return makes integer from pointer without a cast + /opt/SUNWspro/bin/cc -O -Xa -xildoff -errtags=yes -errwarn=%all -erroff=E_EMPTY_TRANSLATION_UNIT -erroff=E_STATEMENT_NOT_REACHED -xc99=%none -W0,-xglobalstatic -g -xc99=%none - W0,-noglobal -xdebugformat=stabs -DNATIVE_BUILD -I ../common -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/export/testws/usr/src/lib/libscf/inc -I/export/testws/usr/src/lib/libtecla -I/export/testws /usr/src/lib/libuutil/common -c -o manifest_find-native.o ../common/manifest_find.c *** Error code 1 dmake: Warning: Command failed for target `manifest_find-native.o' Current working directory /export/home/cudcv/onnv-gate/usr/src/cmd/svc/svccfg Cheers, Rob -- E-Mail: rob.mcma...@warwick.ac.uk PHONE: +44 24 7652 3037 Rob McMahon, IT Services, Warwick University, Coventry, CV4 7AL, England ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On Okay, I'm on the verge of giving up, because I don't know how to progress from here. I've hg cloned, pulled, and updated onnv-gate, installed the closed binaries and the crypto stuff, updated the Sun compiler suite, added some symlinks so the build process could find them, copied stuff from /opt/onbld into the proto dir, hacked the env script to stop it undoing all my changes, and I felt like I was getting really close. I can't get past this one, though, and don't know how to move on. This error causes all manner of stuff to fail later on. Any clues ? Okay, again, and sorry to follow up to myself. It's clear that some people have checked in changes which do not `gcc -Wall' clean and the `-Werror' is causing that to make the build fail. I'll work on these as and when I have time. It's not just './configure ; make ; make install' though :-) Certainly not just `sh nightly'. Rob -- E-Mail: rob.mcma...@warwick.ac.uk PHONE: +44 24 7652 3037 Rob McMahon, IT Services, Warwick University, Coventry, CV4 7AL, England ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 10/06/2010 06:44, Andrew Kolchoogin wrote: Have I got a car for you, next time you're looking for one: http://www.treehugger.com/picture-is-worth-sum-car-parts.jpg Easy assembly. Shouldn't take you long. Oh wait... Hm-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m... O.k, I'll consider bying it somewhat later if you kindly explain me where's the keyboard there to type pfexec nightly.sh... ;))) Have you actually done this ? I've been trying to do this on and off for two weeks, and I'm still trying. If you have a recipe that works, that would be great. When I finally get a working version, I'll try to recreate it and post the results. I have to go back to the beginning and follow the roadmap down that path again. It has been months. I was certainly able to do nightly builds over and over once I put the correct parts in place. What bothers me is the Sun Studio compiler specifics. One needs very specific patch levels in order for the build to work. Also you must face east under a full moon with a black cat sleeping nearby on a warm running SparcStation 20. -- Dennis ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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OpenSolaris 2010.02... 03... 04... 05... 06! If you ask me Oracle should be re named to Orifice sarcasm alert No, they just wanted to bring back the dreaded nickname slowlaris. /sarcasm alert Let's try to keep things here like we have a little humor and self-irony, please? ;) O.k. :) Guys, I can't understand indeed why the people waiting Indiana Release 2010.x just haven't built any release they like from Mercurial repository? AFAIK OpenSolaris building process is straightforward (sure, if you CAREFULLY follow the building instructions), moreover, BFU process has been deprecated for quite time in favour of upgrading from your local repository, as such, you can use pkg image-update usual way as if you're upgrading from http://pkg.opensolaris.org/[dev/]. So, what's the problem? People who use _DEVELOPMENT BY DEFINITION_ distribution of operating system are unable to cope with C compiler?-) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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O.k. :) Guys, I can't understand indeed why the people waiting Indiana Release 2010.x just haven't built any release they like from Mercurial repository? AFAIK OpenSolaris building process is straightforward (sure, if you CAREFULLY follow the building instructions), moreover, BFU process has been deprecated for quite time in favour of upgrading from your local repository, as such, you can use pkg image-update usual way as if you're upgrading from http://pkg.opensolaris.org/[dev/]. So, what's the problem? People who use _DEVELOPMENT BY DEFINITION_ distribution of operating system are unable to cope with C compiler?-) Have I got a car for you, next time you're looking for one: http://www.treehugger.com/picture-is-worth-sum-car-parts.jpg Easy assembly. Shouldn't take you long. Oh wait... ( :-) for the humor impaired.) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 09.06.2010 15:33, Rich Burridge wrote: O.k. :) Guys, I can't understand indeed why the people waiting Indiana Release 2010.x just haven't built any release they like from Mercurial repository? AFAIK OpenSolaris building process is straightforward (sure, if you CAREFULLY follow the building instructions), moreover, BFU process has been deprecated for quite time in favour of upgrading from your local repository, as such, you can use pkg image-update usual way as if you're upgrading from http://pkg.opensolaris.org/[dev/]. So, what's the problem? People who use _DEVELOPMENT BY DEFINITION_ distribution of operating system are unable to cope with C compiler?-) Have I got a car for you, next time you're looking for one: http://www.treehugger.com/picture-is-worth-sum-car-parts.jpg Easy assembly. Shouldn't take you long. Oh wait... I think my old mother has an advanced 3D puzzle for a flower vase as well. Should keep you busy... ;) //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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xfce and othe prors in repo http://opensolar.ru:1 blog http://karakuts.livejournal.com -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
Well, you have to also consider: 1. Oracle is still making patch updates to OpenSolaris 2009.06. See support contract. 2. OSOL DEV 134 is available, otherwise OSOL 2009.06. 3. Some engineers have updated to the ON snv_142 kernel release. 4. ZFS a little buggy (data loss =b134 possible under certain conditions, but very usable). Reported by Nexenta engineering. 5. There is no defined osol snv_142 consolidation defined outside of Oracle. The point is you could build an updated 'something' and call it something. ~K -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Best buy Solaris 10 and install on my pc. Enjoy the 30-day demo. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Have I got a car for you, next time you're looking for one: http://www.treehugger.com/picture-is-worth-sum-car-parts.jpg Easy assembly. Shouldn't take you long. Oh wait... Hm-m-m-m-m-m-m-m-m... O.k, I'll consider bying it somewhat later if you kindly explain me where's the keyboard there to type pfexec nightly.sh... ;))) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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I think my old mother has an advanced 3D puzzle for a flower vase as well. Should keep you busy... ;) In no case. I'll just type make world, and it will be done automagically. ;) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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OpenSolaris 2010.02... 03... 04... 05... 06! If you ask me Oracle should be re named to Orifice Cheers, Tom -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 08.06.2010 11:08, Tom Wickline wrote: OpenSolaris 2010.02... 03... 04... 05... 06! If you ask me Oracle should be re named to Orifice sarcasm alert No, they just wanted to bring back the dreaded nickname slowlaris. /sarcasm alert Let's try to keep things here like we have a little humor and self-irony, please? ;) //Svein -- +---+--- /\ |Svein Skogen | sv...@d80.iso100.no \ / |Solberg Østli 9| PGP Key: 0xE5E76831 X|2020 Skedsmokorset | sv...@jernhuset.no / \ |Norway | PGP Key: 0xCE96CE13 | | sv...@stillbilde.net ascii | | PGP Key: 0x58CD33B6 ribbon |System Admin | svein-listm...@stillbilde.net Campaign|stillbilde.net | PGP Key: 0x22D494A4 +---+--- |msn messenger: | Mobile Phone: +47 907 03 575 |sv...@jernhuset.no | RIPE handle:SS16503-RIPE +---+--- If you really are in a hurry, mail me at svein-mob...@stillbilde.net This mailbox goes directly to my cellphone and is checked even when I'm not in front of my computer. Picture Gallery: https://gallery.stillbilde.net/v/svein/ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
We also have OpenSolaris distros that use XFCE, Enlightenment, KDE, or some other product as the alternative desktop environment for OpenSolaris. I was under the impression that a core distro release use an even smaller -kernel common core- ? than the TM Opensolaris full. So Opensolaris live ON full cd release actually builds to the managed Solaris new ? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Hi Similar possibilities (i.e. fork) have been discussed on this list lots of times. (Maybe even too much) Shortly said: You can't make a OpenSolaris 2010.x Community Release because of the trademarks on the name. - That's an issue every project that builds ON from source faces. Personally I don't think its worth to invest energy starting yet another community release. IMMV - Your energy could be more appreciated by already existing communities around Nexenta Core, StormOS, MilaX or BeleniX... From what I know Nexenta already backported lots of fixes from up to snv_138 sources to their 134a-based distro (i think uname -a tells now 134e). Them main difference to OpenSolaris release from Oracle/Sun that I could read: ON/Net is Open Source under CDDL while their distro contains some binary - non-redistributable - bits. Only Oracle can make a complete OpenSolaris binary distribution and call it OpenSolaris. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Personally I don't think its worth to invest energy starting yet another community release. IMMV - Your energy could be more appreciated by already existing communities around Nexenta Core, StormOS, MilaX or BeleniX... From what I know Nexenta already backported lots of fixes from up to snv_138 sources to their 134a-based distro (i think uname -a tells now 134e). So just a temp name change to say OSE would not be enough for an interim release..would it be possible to produce an interim realease based on nexenta,branded or unbranded? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Hi all, I think it's a bit boring having emails on this list every week, complaining about the release being missing for 1, 2, 3, 4 months. While it is important (as a community) to think about the way we can collaborate with each other (including Oracle), and focus on any communication issue, it seems quite unproductive to ask this same question dozen billions times. If you search on the web for clues (on other sites than slashdot and cnet which are obviously less than qualified to have any insight on the subject) you learn that there are some showstopper bugs, as seen on: - gdamore's blog: http://gdamore.blogspot.com/2010/06/osync-behavior-not-honored.html - unix admin's blog: http://uadmin.blogspot.com/2010/05/zfs-pipe-is-clogged.html On the one hand, it might seem acceptable to deplore the lack of visibility/clarity, on the other hand I think every community member can/should spend two minutes on his blog to relay this kind of information, or think of the possibility of maintaining a status/news page placed somewhere on opensolaris.org Even if it does not solve the question of interactions between Oracle and the community (which has been discussed recently according to jim grisanzio http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/entry/opensolaris_user_groups_the_time ), it avoids the confusion between communication/corporate matters and technical issues (and prevents fud). I don't have a blog, but maybe it's an opportunity (at least for me) to start blogging or contributing with web content... Best regards, a. ps: sorry english is not my mother tongue... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Peter, The viability of the situation is if Oracle can create Oracle Solaris 11 from what they have today. That is more answerable by the people managing the Solaris product integration. The other question is if independent ISVs/distro providers can continue to create a reliable OpenSolaris-based distro from the recent kernel snapshots? Even at the core level? Some people have BFU'd to snv_138 and others mentioned using b141-b142. So, there is some hope! Right now, a few critical ZFS bugs are being tested and reviewed (aka showstoppers) that may cause data loss. One on hand, I heard a lot of the ZFS issues were fixed now. One another hand, I heard that there are a few bugs left with ZFS (ZFS pool 24-25) and other packages to make a reliable release possible. My angle on this is that products like NexentaStor 3.0.2 and Nexenta Core Platform 3.x may provide better manageable solutions - as the OpenSolaris core distro release is just a common starting point. We also have OpenSolaris distros that use XFCE, Enlightenment, KDE, or some other product as the alternative desktop environment for OpenSolaris. Great contributors are not only those that can fix bugs - but those that can find bugs and willing to report those bugs to others. ~ Ken Mays --- On Mon, 6/7/10, Peter Jones bloosk...@netscape.net wrote: From: Peter Jones bloosk...@netscape.net Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release? To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Monday, June 7, 2010, 5:34 AM Personally I don't think its worth to invest energy starting yet another community release. IMMV - Your energy could be more appreciated by already existing communities around Nexenta Core, StormOS, MilaX or BeleniX... From what I know Nexenta already backported lots of fixes from up to snv_138 sources to their 134a-based distro (i think uname -a tells now 134e). So just a temp name change to say OSE would not be enough for an interim release..would it be possible to produce an interim realease based on nexenta,branded or unbranded? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On 07/06/2010 13:00, Aurélien Larcher wrote: Hi all, I think it's a bit boring having emails on this list every week, complaining about the release being missing for 1, 2, 3, 4 months. It is. What I'd really like is step-by-step instructions to build from source. Having finally got fairly frustrated (fuelled by comments like fixed in build 140), I started trying a few days ago, off and on. It's not so easy. My last attempt failed with: Aborting due to missing compiler. even though I have cc -V cc: Sun Ceres C 5.10 SunOS_i386 2009/03/06 It comes from if /export/testws/usr/src/tools/proto/opt/onbld/bin/i386/cw -_cc -_versions /dev/null 2/dev/null; then ... which doesn't exist, /export/testws/usr/src/tools/proto is empty, although /opt/onbld/bin/i386/cw does exist. I'll keep trying, but it ain'a that easy. Rob -- E-Mail: rob.mcma...@warwick.ac.uk PHONE: +44 24 7652 3037 Rob McMahon, IT Services, Warwick University, Coventry, CV4 7AL, England ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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07.06.2010 16:54, Rob McMahon пишет: On 07/06/2010 13:00, Aurélien Larcher wrote: Hi all, I think it's a bit boring having emails on this list every week, complaining about the release being missing for 1, 2, 3, 4 months. It is. What I'd really like is step-by-step instructions to build from source. Having finally got fairly frustrated (fuelled by comments like fixed in build 140), I started trying a few days ago, off and on. It's not so easy. My last attempt failed with: +1 Though I do not expect it to be as easy as to build FreeBSD's world :) Aborting due to missing compiler. even though I have cc -V cc: Sun Ceres C 5.10 SunOS_i386 2009/03/06 It comes from if /export/testws/usr/src/tools/proto/opt/onbld/bin/i386/cw -_cc -_versions /dev/null 2/dev/null; then ... which doesn't exist, /export/testws/usr/src/tools/proto is empty, although /opt/onbld/bin/i386/cw does exist. I'll keep trying, but it ain'a that easy. Rob WBR, Vladimir Novoseltsev ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Rob McMahon rob.mcma...@warwick.ac.uk wrote: On 07/06/2010 13:00, Aurélien Larcher wrote: Hi all, I think it's a bit boring having emails on this list every week, complaining about the release being missing for 1, 2, 3, 4 months. It is. What I'd really like is step-by-step instructions to build from source. Having finally got fairly frustrated (fuelled by comments like fixed in build 140), I started trying a few days ago, off and on. It's not so easy. My last attempt failed with: Aborting due to missing compiler. even though I have cc -V cc: Sun Ceres C 5.10 SunOS_i386 2009/03/06 It comes from if /export/testws/usr/src/tools/proto/opt/onbld/bin/i386/cw -_cc -_versions /dev/null 2/dev/null; then ... which doesn't exist, /export/testws/usr/src/tools/proto is empty, although /opt/onbld/bin/i386/cw does exist. I'll keep trying, but it ain'a that easy. Rob -- E-Mail: rob.mcma...@warwick.ac.uk PHONE: +44 24 7652 3037 Rob McMahon, IT Services, Warwick University, Coventry, CV4 7AL, England ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org I run into this on occasion, try bldenv YOURCONFIGFILE.sh cd $SRC/usr/src/tools dmake Then rerun nightly/etc. For some reason, dependencies get messed up and it tries to build modules prior to the stuff under tools (mostly cw) getting built. Alternatively, I believe there's a flag for nightly that can be set/unset to tell it to not use the tools built under $SRC/usr/src/tools (check the manpage) Or, try lmkdir -p /ws/onnv-tools; ln -s /opt/onbld /ws/onnv-tools/onbld (though I'm not 100% sure on the paths -- basically to emulate what is normally found on systems inside of Oracle) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Under new Oracle policy I suppose that you'll not get info before it's officially out. When ? can be tomorrow like never, It's a coin toss. really I can't find any reason, any, about this long silence about an open source OS, this is the best away to loose customers. A Little teaser on Homepage that OS 2010.X is coming soon don't spoil nothing and for sure don't hurt sales, because it's a free product, for now. Sure the big Businessman can call Oracle and get info on the future roadmap, otherwise I can't see they live in complete dark about future release until the official announcement. with no time to plan ahead. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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OpenSolaris 2010.02... 03... 04... 05... 06! Where is new OpenSolaris release? Any position? I founded together with Eduardo Kislanski the Brazilian portal OpenYourSource.com, dedicated for Solaris and OpenSolaris news, articles and tips. We are concerned with the OpenSolaris future. Any news? With Oracle continuing to remain silence. I think is starting to give the impression this project is not really in Oracle's best interest, when some of SUN's former other open source projects already have been receiving new updates e.g. VirtualBox already have released two updates since being under Oracle and was rebranded. OpenOffice also released new updates and got a new logo.,etc. some people are already speculating maybe Oracle really wants to only focus on saving Solaris and not spend time on the OpenSolaris community. who knows? If Oracle decides to remain silence and not release a new stable release in next couple months and only continue to publish source code then maybe Solaris is the sole OS and OpenSolaris project returned back to it roots, where only the source code will only be avaliable to download. few quotes from one of those speculating Oracle only wants to save Solaris and not focus on this project. quote: The future of Solaris is in question. Oracle certainly wants to keep is alive, as many of its database customers run on Solaris, quote: Solaris Simply put, its place is: big servers running Oracle software. This nicely results in one-stop shopping for Oracle customers. Get your hardware, OS support, and database software from one place, and have only a single place to call when support is needed. It's a nice idea, if you can afford it. quote: And OpenSolaris One might think that because OpenSolaris is a community effort, like Linux, it will survive and even transcend any business decisions. Except, OpenSolaris is not. It is very hostile to the community and the only thing that's open is the source code, which is open but not really reusable in the pure open source sense. Ben Rockwood (supreme blogger and OpenSolaris guy) explains how OpenSolaris really works, in this blog posting. And in the very next post, talks about the end of the Silicon Valley OpenSolaris user group. Solaris may remain open, but there is little chance a community of passionate users and developers will congregate around OpenSolaris. In many ways, Oracle doesn't want that. It's too much hassle, and Solaris can meet Oracle's needs well enough by focusing on one thing: running a database. Much like the other two Unix variants that are still widely used, Solaris only needs to do a few things well. http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/_featured/article.php/3886161/Is+Sticking+With+Solaris+a+Wise+Choice?.htm http://www.infoworld.com/d/virtualization/oracle-unleashes-version-320-virtualbox-810 http://technology.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978280166 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Hi I have read Ben Rockwood's Blog post before your answer and I understand and agree with what he says. Until Oracle doesn't break silence, there's almost nothing other than their silence on what we can judge what OpenSolaris' future according to Oracle might be, i.e. as DB Appliance or Storage OS in Fishworks. I just wanted to say that Solaris is a much bigger piece for Oracle to bite than VirtualBox and OpenOffice are. Also OOO.org has considerably bigger community contributions than OpenSolaris. That would partly explain why Oracle keeps more time mumbling in silence what they want to do with a full-blown OS that awaits quite much of work but great potential but with a community that keeps asking ;-) Keep up waiting a little more now that FY10 Q1 results have been published. We have to accept Oracle has another way of communication and collaboration (citing Ben: scaffolding) - Well at least I hope it's worth to do so. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Hi I have read Ben Rockwood's Blog post before your answer and I understand and agree with what he says. Until Oracle doesn't break silence, there's almost nothing other than their silence on what we can judge what OpenSolaris' future according to Oracle might be, i.e. as DB Appliance or Storage OS in Fishworks. I just wanted to say that Solaris is a much bigger piece for Oracle to bite than VirtualBox and OpenOffice are. Also OOO.org has considerably bigger community contributions than OpenSolaris. That would partly explain why Oracle keeps more time mumbling in silence what they want to do with a full-blown OS that awaits quite much of work but great potential but with a community that keeps asking ;-) Keep up waiting a little more now that FY10 Q1 results have been published. We have to accept Oracle has another way of communication and collaboration (citing Ben: scaffolding) - Well at least I hope it's worth to do so. Appears Nexenta Core 3 is about to be release soon it's already on RC1, it's based on OpenSolaris build b134. I don't have anything against nexenta but i will not be a happy camper if core 3 igets released before new stable release of OpenSolaris that is also supposed to be from the same build as nexenta core 3, build 134. http://www.nexenta.org/news/14 -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Under new Oracle policy I suppose that you'll not get info before it's officially out. When ? can be tomorrow like never, It's a coin toss. I find it totally inappropriate for open source project to have such secrecy policies. But as Ben Rockwood pointed out - while OpenSolaris has open source, is not an open source project (see http://cuddletech.com/blog/pivot/entry.php?id=1130 ). However sad it may sound - that's the situation. Nokia for example just recently announced that Qt framework will have an open development process and governance: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2010/06/03/open-governance/ That's a real open source project. OpenSolaris is no where near that in a sense of openness unfortunately, and under Oracle it will probably never be. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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OpenSolaris is my favorite Operating System. Is consistent, well documented, stable and has a amazing management. Reject this project is a nonsense decision! Back to Linux is insane. Best buy Solaris 10 and install on my pc. ;-; -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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OpenSolaris 2010.02... 03... 04... 05... 06! Where is new OpenSolaris release? Any position? I founded together with Eduardo Kislanski the Brazilian portal OpenYourSource.com, dedicated for Solaris and OpenSolaris news, articles and tips. We are concerned with the OpenSolaris future. Any news? Could a community edition be out soon based on 134a? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
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Me and OpenYourSource.com community are willing. And you? OpenSolaris need an attitude, now! -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Where is OpenSolaris 2010 release?
OpenSolaris 2010.02... 03... 04... 05... 06! Where is new OpenSolaris release? Any position? I founded together with Eduardo Kislanski the Brazilian portal OpenYourSource.com, dedicated for Solaris and OpenSolaris news, articles and tips. We are concerned with the OpenSolaris future. Any news? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
