Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
Hans Witvliet wrote: As said, use LVM with lvm+reiser you can enlarge them on-the-fly, but have to unmount them for shrinking Seconded, though my preference is for ext3 - downside is the annoying tendency to do a full check just when you least want it, but on the plus side it seems more tolerant of dirty umounts Have a nice day, Same to you, Final remark, for small partitions (100MB) use ext3, not reiserfs Surely you mean ext2? And for those that never change (usr, opt) journaling is not needed. A good point, though presumably journalling has little effect on read performance so the main effect is a small loss of capacity. I thought ext3 was the default now on OSL? FWIW, I'd like to see LVM by default too. Final comment - if changes are made to the YaST partitioner, could I propose a 'newbie' (simple) mode button: defaults when set: swap plus single / ext3 partition; defaults when unset: LVM, separate /boot (ext2), /home (ext3), swap, ... -- Cheers Richard (MQ) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-announce] openSUSE 10.3 Roadmap
Carlos E. R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Wednesday 2007-05-09 at 15:19 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote: We are happy to announce the final roadmap for openSUSE 10.3. openSUSE ... Thu, Aug 9 openSUSE 10.3 Beta1 release Thu, Aug 23 openSUSE 10.3 Beta2 release [/malicious mode on ;-) ] Have you considered how many people will be on vacation, out of reach of network? Me, for instance :-p Yes - and that's one reason why we added another Beta compared to 10.2 ;-) Also: You can start testing early - start with Alpha4 now if you like, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpgqeAWHuY1f.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Alpha4 dependencies validation
André Malin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Le May 16, 2007 07:53:22 pm Cristian Rodriguez R., vous avez écrit : André Malin escribió: It seems to take ages to do the the dependencies validation when adding packages at the initial packages selection. Regards, try performing an installation while sending the logs to other machine and open a bug report. Already open #275100 Thanks - we did not run into this during our internal QA :-( Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpu6LJGVgSLc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] MD5SUMS for 10.3A4 DVD's
Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi list, We have the MD5SUMS for the DVD Delta Iso's but do we have the MD5SUMS for the resultant DVD Iso's? Uploaded yesterday - check: 10.3-Alpha4/iso/delta/MD5SUMS.of.DVDs Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpEb5K9xgVxj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 richard (MQ) schreef: Hans Witvliet wrote: As said, use LVM Used it fist time last week on a 32bits machine, not much experience with it, but some people advise me to use it, just like now. with lvm+reiser you can enlarge them on-the-fly, but have to unmount them for shrinking How do you move apartition that is large enough? You shrink the one that is behind it, and then? Can you perform these tasks while the data is on it? Seconded, though my preference is for ext3 - downside is the annoying tendency to do a full check just when you least want it, but on the plus side it seems more tolerant of dirty umounts ext checks every 2 month's...reiser checks everything very thouroughly after hang or crash.. Have a nice day, Same to you, Final remark, for small partitions (100MB) use ext3, not reiserfs Surely you mean ext2? for /boot ext 2 is allright..;-) And for those that never change (usr, opt) journaling is not needed. maybe they did not change in the past, but since 10.2, /usr is growing...(where does it stop? How big should it be made to have room enough, and not to much.., same for /var, changed the size since 10.0 3 times: too big, made smaller, now in 10.2 it is allready too small, To make seperate /var/log is a very good idea ;-) A good point, though presumably journalling has little effect on read performance so the main effect is a small loss of capacity. I thought ext3 was the default now on OSL? FWIW, I'd like to see LVM by default too. Since reiser is accused of murdering his wife, nobody maintains the fs.. :-( Final comment - if changes are made to the YaST partitioner, could I propose a 'newbie' (simple) mode button: defaults when set: swap plus single / ext3 partition; defaults when unset: LVM, separate /boot (ext2), /home (ext3), swap, ... It could as well suggest all needed partitions, in the proper size :-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUrTfX5/X5X6LpDgRAqgJAJ9/LvKhmoiUYaT9bNs5nM7qonXIowCghxXD QdTcQqyenrFLR+MMVb8a/VE= =h38q -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Beagle and beagle-helper real obstacles when making back-ups.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Juan Erbes schreef: 2007/5/21, M9. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As the subject. They stop the process of copying or comparing..very annoying. - -- I uninstalled beagle, and installed the old locate, for me is better. Right now, i am feeling like uninstalling also, but B in 10.1 was worse than this one...( works in the background more, less cpu usage..) I have'nt removed the beagle dbs or files; for example what names has those files, and where are it to remove completely it? Have a nice night! Thnx;-) Keeps most of it in your /home, in hidden files ofcourse.. ( i noticed that is impossible to make a back-up with beagle running in FF..had to shut it down indeed..) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUrg+X5/X5X6LpDgRAnVuAKCalK/dbUkKBsbVi52+zHHLYJKWUwCgzz8Q 95lTcUZ/ZByuE2IhnCr9h7s= =C11I -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] VJ decompression error
Hi, On Monday, May 21, 2007 at 22:00:14, Juan Erbes wrote: After a problems with my ISP (Timofonica), I must to go back to my old 56k sporster Robotics and my older ISP (in the absense of adsl), but I has frequently disconnections problems with it. The dmesg result is: PPP: VJ decompression error Did you try disabling VJ compression? Put novjccomp into /etc/ppp/options Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
M9. wrote: Used it fist time last week on a 32bits machine, not much experience with it, but some people advise me to use it, just like now. with lvm+reiser you can enlarge them on-the-fly, but have to unmount them for shrinking How do you move a partition that is large enough? You shrink the one that is behind it, and then? Can you perform these tasks while the data is on it? man lvm I *strongly* advise booting to 'rescue' mode (i.e. running from RAM, without *any* disc partitions mounted) before making any changes. I'd also suggest that doing it without backing up important data first is really not a very sensible practice, but you will probably get away with it. Seconded, though my preference is for ext3 - downside is the annoying tendency to do a full check just when you least want it, but on the plus side it seems more tolerant of dirty umounts ext checks every 2 month's...reiser checks everything very thouroughly after hang or crash.. Indeed so, but in my experience reiserfs is less capable of dealing with problems (e.g. caused by dirty umounts) when they do occur. This seems particularly pertinent to USB storage in my experience. I'd quite agree that the regular checking is a pain, more so because of teh tendency to do it without warning or a chance to postpone it. And for those that never change (usr, opt) journaling is not needed. maybe they did not change in the past, but since 10.2, /usr is growing...(where does it stop? How big should it be made to have room enough, and not to much.., same for /var, changed the size since 10.0 3 times: too big, made smaller, now in 10.2 it is allready too small, To make seperate /var/log is a very good idea ;-) I think the previous poster meant that they don't get written to much once installation is complete (only when installing / upgrading). I'd agree that they change significantly between OSL versions. Since reiser is accused of murdering his wife, nobody maintains the fs.. :-( :-( Final comment - if changes are made to the YaST partitioner, could I propose a 'newbie' (simple) mode button: defaults when set: swap plus single / ext3 partition; defaults when unset: LVM, separate /boot (ext2), /home (ext3), swap, ... It could as well suggest all needed partitions, in the proper size :-) A good suggestion, I hope it is seen by the YaST programmers...? PS - No need to cc me, I'm on the list. -- Cheers Richard (MQ) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 richard (MQ) schreef: PS - No need to cc me, I'm on the list. Just pressed reply and cc'd mailinglist ;-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUsBiX5/X5X6LpDgRAm4SAKDYvW+XnpbRGAizLiAPce4gFqTYxgCg4JD1 ONXXyqj8xSxVMiFnT/+zxGw= =FJaw -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Using Instlux: issues setting up SUSE from Windows
Pascal Bleser wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alexey Eremenko wrote: This page indicates that it is indeed possible to run Linux OS on NTFS partition: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html#rootfs Having Linux on NTFS can bring us to serious revolution across Windows users ! A real revolution in how Windows users *think* about openSUSE ! Oh, really. But we have to make it simple for the Windows crowd to install openSUSE on the same NTFS partition as Windows. (such as C:\) we ? Sure, go ahead, implement a proof-of-concept then come back with !!!. This means either enhance our current Basic Setup Routine and Yast-setup to handle those new requirements easily, or we need to write completely new (Windows-based) setup for openSUSE distro. Plus, We can go both directions at once. :) Go ahead. The source code is available. PS: opensuse-factory: Discussion about all Alpha, Beta, RC and Factory versions of openSUSE http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#Development_Lists - -- This is the best laugh I've had in a week or two. He left out asking for crashes and BSOD. I state - LINUX IS NOT WINDOWS, nor is it a Windows clone. Learn it or leave it. Not all Windows users are hard-of-learning and most Linux users were once and perhaps are still Windows users, me an exception, I could never use the stuff without uttering a constant stream of expletives and curse every call I get to help solve the many Windows problems people land on me. On Sunday I went to fix a Windows box and had a discussion with 2 very bright lads who thought Bill Gates had invented the computer. I just took them back in history as far as Eckert and Mauchly, Univac and IBM - the computer before Bill Gates was born. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Topics dist meeting 2007-05-10
On Thu 10 May 2007 11:14:12 NZST +1200, JP Rosevear wrote: Are you talking about 128MB of *disk* space or *RAM* space? Please make and keep this distinction clear! Disk space. Thanks! What is the intended/envisaged use of such an installation / system? Do you think a small system which has only 128MB of software storage space (hard disk, flash card, ...) has =256MB of RAM to run SUSE version-any on? Sure, thin clients do. This requirement is not being pulled out of thin air. Also linux on a usb stick type installations. Ok. Sounds very useful. I still think there is a use case for low-RAM systems too. Ubuntu just announced they're wanting to create a version for small/embedded systems, though it looks like to me there's not much ubuntu left when finished. I guess the same hammer doesn't solve every problem ;) Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation
On Tue 22 May 2007 02:18:49 NZST +1200, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote: linuxrc in 10.2 is setup to ask for swap if you have less than about 256MB RAM (provided you already have a swap partition.) Thanks. No mistaking the hard hang, so there can't have been a swap partition. How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM? Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
M9. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 richard (MQ) schreef: Hans Witvliet wrote: As said, use LVM Used it fist time last week on a 32bits machine, not much experience with it, but some people advise me to use it, just like now. with lvm+reiser you can enlarge them on-the-fly, but have to unmount them for shrinking How do you move apartition that is large enough? You shrink the one that is behind it, and then? Can you perform these tasks while the data is on it? Seconded, though my preference is for ext3 - downside is the annoying tendency to do a full check just when you least want it, but on the plus side it seems more tolerant of dirty umounts ext checks every 2 month's...reiser checks everything very thouroughly after hang or crash.. You can use e.g tune2fs -c 0 /dev/sda1 to stop ext3 doing that. Have a nice day, Same to you, Final remark, for small partitions (100MB) use ext3, not reiserfs Surely you mean ext2? for /boot ext 2 is allright..;-) And for those that never change (usr, opt) journaling is not needed. maybe they did not change in the past, but since 10.2, /usr is growing...(where does it stop? How big should it be made to have room enough, and not to much.., same for /var, changed the size since 10.0 3 times: too big, made smaller, now in 10.2 it is allready too small, To make seperate /var/log is a very good idea ;-) A good point, though presumably journalling has little effect on read performance so the main effect is a small loss of capacity. I thought ext3 was the default now on OSL? FWIW, I'd like to see LVM by default too. Since reiser is accused of murdering his wife, nobody maintains the fs.. :-( Totally untrue. Many good reads on the subject out there. reiser2 is not being further developed, but the reiser4 team is very hard at work and they have many customers using reiser4. http://kerneltrap.org/node/8102 Final comment - if changes are made to the YaST partitioner, could I propose a 'newbie' (simple) mode button: defaults when set: swap plus single / ext3 partition; defaults when unset: LVM, separate /boot (ext2), /home (ext3), swap, ... It could as well suggest all needed partitions, in the proper size :-) Even Sun has gone away from slicing and dicing large disks into smaller ones. I've heard the arguments about accidentally erasing a partition, but they are all under / and if you rm -rf /, checkmate! I always have / and swap only, even on the largest Sun/Fujitsu SPARC Enterprise systems when I used to do Solaris installs for customers. What has bitten me a number of times is a faulty IDE port on a number of motherboards when all disks get clobbered, only once did I hit the enter key with, rm -rf / directory instead of rm -rf /directory, CTRL-C, but lots bullets had gone before I could take my finger off the trigger and data was lost. LVM sidelines the arguments, but backups are the only insurance whatever path you choose. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Meeting Minutes Dist Meeting 2007-05-10
Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* Shared library policy
see: http://en.opensuse.org/Shared_Library_Packaging_Policy
If nobody raises objections, we'll move forward with it and add it to
the packagers manual.
I would raise several objection:
0) Static only packages
1) Packages with some devel files in the main package.
If package is static only or package provides devel files (e. g. .pc
file) without splitting -devel package, it must provide -devel package,
either as a virtual symbol or as a package (by skipping of file list of
the main package).
Packages linking against the library or referring devel files from the
package (e. g. .pc files), must refer to foo-devel, not foo.
It allows painless move to shared library and painless splitting in
future.
Example:
package foo with static-only stuff:
Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
Real life example:
Package check moved from static to shared library after 10.2.
Several other packages were splitted.
Both raised need to adopt many other packages.
So, what is your objection here?
2) Naming of devel package.
This is bad proposal, at least for packages using pkgconfig to refer to
their libraries. These libraries can use arbitrary soname without
breaking API (but breaking soname ABI).
Example:
We have package libgsf with libgsf-1.so.114 and libgsf-1.pc.
Naming package libgsf114-devel is a pure nosense, because:
- If the next version will be named libgsf-1.so.115, libgsf115-devel
will most probably conflict with libgsf114-devel anyways.
- Packages searching for API-compatible libgsf114-devel will fail.
- When new branch will be created, it will get name libgsf-2.so.0, so
this rule will upgrade to libgsf0-devel.
So my proposal:
Shared library package should be named libgsf1_114, but devel package
should be named libgsf1.
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time (for example because includes are packaged in a versioned
directory and shared libraries have a versioned name like libgtk1.so.1)
the -devel packages should be suffixed with the same number as the
shared library package, lib$NAME$NUM-devel.
-devel packages should have another number, which should be deduced from
pkgconfig name. If we will not do it, similar problem as soname one
problem will remain for devel packages.
Proposal was sent a year ago:
If package allows installation of more devel versions at once or we
decided to provide more conflicting devel packages in one OpenSUSE
version and pkgconfig files use numbers, which
The proble here is real and we have hacks in Build Service to fix
version compatibility.
devel package should be named libgsf1, package itself probably
libgsf1_114.
#!/bin/bash
function propose_package_name {
echo -n $1 | sed 's/[0-9]*$//'
echo $(rpm -ql $1{,-devel} 2/dev/null | grep '\.pc$' |
sed 's/.*[^0-9.]\([0-9.]*\)\.pc/\1/;:1;s/\.0$//;t1;s/\.//g' | sort -u)
}
for PACKAGE in $@ ; do
propose_package_name $PACKAGE
done
3) Shared library for more packages.
- There is no reason why a -devel package cannot provide
development
files for multiple shared library packages.
Yes, in particular cases there it is:
If shared library packages are: avahi, avahi-glib, avahi-qt3, avahi-qt4
and you will create only one avahi-devel, you must logically add
Requires for all four upper mentioned packages. It will unintentionally
introduce need of installation of qt3-devel and qt4-devel, even if you
want to compile only against glib.
4) Missing rule: Devel package dependency chain.
Devel package dependency chain should be complete and no package should
be missing. If you install this package, it must depend on all needed
packages for pkg-config, libtool, #include and symlink targets.
foo-devel package must require foo, either explicitly or implicitly, if
it is needed for development.
There is not yet any tool for automatic collecting of devel
dependencies, but I am thinking about a tool collecting packages
from .pc files and #include.
Preferred way to do it:
Requires: %{name} = %{version}
And how can we get rid of these later again? We currently have a lot of
packages with too many dependencies ;-(
5) Missing rule: How to call ldconfig
(It's probably already in packagers manual.)
I hope so ;-)
Andreas
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[opensuse-factory] FYI: Freetype is broken in FACTORY
FYI: Current freetype in FACTORY is broken, use the version from Alpha4 instead of updating, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 pgpphupDwSuuD.pgp Description: PGP signature
[opensuse-factory] kernel update brake the boot
You are probably already informed :-), but the last 10.2 kernel update brake the computer boot... the menu.lst of grub is badly rewriten and the previous kernel and initrd are deleted this may be related to a special config.. I have on my drive * hda1 swap * hda2 10.2 * hda3 SLES boot menu was (from memory, it's no more here) floppy 10.2 * (default) SLES new compiled kernel The new grub menu.lst is below (because not anybody needs to read it). It default to floppy boot!!! the sles boots, hopefully! but not the others. vmlinuz and initrd (in /boot) are linked to the compiled kernel 0.3 (not by me!!) so the fix wads simple: shorten the entries of openSUSE 10.2 (/dev/hdc2) but it's a chance the new kernel works (it only allows more usb debugging) jdd (must leav now, will fill a bug later if necessary) default menu.lst # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Tue May 22 13:38:25 CEST 2007 default 0 timeout 8 gfxmenu (hd0,1)/boot/message ##YaST - activate ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: floppy### title Disquette rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader (fd0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: linux### title SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 root (hd0,2) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdc3 vga=0x317resume=/dev/hdc1 splash=silent showopts initrd /boot/initrd ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: openSUSE 10.2 (/dev/hdc2)### title openSUSE 10.2 (/dev/hdc2) kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.2-34-default root=/dev/hdc2 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/hdc1 splash=silent showopts initrd (hd0,1)/boot/initrd-2.6.18.2-34-default title 2.6.18.8-0.3-default kernel (hd0,1)/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hdc3 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/hdc1 splash=silent showopts -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM? many I actually try to catch for may lug old laptops. many have only 128Mb ram and laptop ram is expensive (and it's not always possible to add) 10.2 runs without any problem in it (with swap), install also, but with some tricky step. Automatic swap should be very nice why not a swp file? should it be possible to use a swap file (or ask for swap partition in case not readable probably empty disk) until partitioning is asked for, then free the sawp, and repartion? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Meeting Minutes Dist Meeting 2007-05-10
Richard Guenther wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* Shared library policy
see: http://en.opensuse.org/Shared_Library_Packaging_Policy
0) Static only packages
1) Packages with some devel files in the main package.
If package is static only or package provides devel files (e. g. .pc
file) without splitting -devel package, it must provide -devel package,
either as a virtual symbol or as a package (by skipping of file list of
the main package).
Packages linking against the library or referring devel files from the
package (e. g. .pc files), must refer to foo-devel, not foo.
It allows painless move to shared library and painless splitting in
future.
Example:
package foo with static-only stuff:
Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
Real life example:
Package check moved from static to shared library after 10.2.
Several other packages were splitted.
Both raised need to adopt many other packages.
So, what is your objection here?
I don't get this either. Note the shared libaray naming and packaging
policy is about shared libraries, not static ones or naming a -devel
(or not -devel) package.
Yes, but it's related. If package changes from static to shared library
and the static package was referenced as libfoo, you are in problem: All
BuildRequires are now broken.
The second mentioned thing can be re-formulated as a missing item in the
policy:
Is it allowed to package shared library altogether with development
files (.a, .pc, .so, .h)? Is it allowed to package development files to
package, which does not have -devel in its name?
I think that it should not be permitted, even if it causes bigger number
of packages. Otherwise it introduces missing devel dependencies (see
below).
Shared libraries may reside in /lib{,64} or /usr/lib{,64} only if
there are development files packages separately in a -devel package to
link against those libraries. See (1) on how to handle different
cases.
This looks too strict. There are many packages, which create shared
library for more binaries inside one package. What is the benefit to
link say metacity binaries with
/usr/lib/metacity/libmetacity-private.so.0 instead of
/usr/lib/libmetacity-private.so.0?
This rule will need additional wirk to change many packages and
additional work even to check that all packages conform to this rule.
2) Naming of devel package.
So my proposal:
Shared library package should be named libgsf1_114, but devel package
should be named libgsf1.
This is exactly what the policy suggests. Where do you read otherwise?
Maybe the wording can be improved.
No, it suggests libgsf1_114-devel:
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time ... the -devel packages should be suffixed with the same
number as the shared library package.
Proposed change:
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time ... the -devel packages should be suffixed with the same
number as the shared library package. If package provides a pkg-config
file or another development configuration script or shared library uses
epoch number, the -devel packages should be suffixed with the number of
it.
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time (for example because includes are packaged in a versioned
directory and shared libraries have a versioned name like libgtk1.so.1)
the -devel packages should be suffixed with the same number as the
shared library package, lib$NAME$NUM-devel.
I see this is a quote from the policy. The wording needs to improve here
as $NUM does not suggest a suffix different from $SONAME is allowed.
But it's already part of the policy, last article Package Naming.
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
There is not yet any tool for automatic collecting of devel
dependencies, but I am thinking about a tool collecting packages
from .pc files and #include.
Preferred way to do it:
Requires: %{name} = %{version}
And how can we get rid of these later again? We currently have a lot of
packages with too many dependencies ;-(
We need an automatic tool for it. Missing devel dependencies introduces
additional BuildRequires in other packages which are even worse to get
rid.
It is definitely not complicated for .pc files, but more complicated
for .la files and .h files.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation
jdd wrote: Volker Kuhlmann wrote: How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM? many +1 (bring back SUPER and Micro-SuSE ?) -- Cheers Richard (MQ) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Meeting Minutes Dist Meeting 2007-05-10
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Richard Guenther wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
Stanislav Brabec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
* Shared library policy
see: http://en.opensuse.org/Shared_Library_Packaging_Policy
0) Static only packages
1) Packages with some devel files in the main package.
If package is static only or package provides devel files (e. g. .pc
file) without splitting -devel package, it must provide -devel package,
either as a virtual symbol or as a package (by skipping of file list of
the main package).
Packages linking against the library or referring devel files from the
package (e. g. .pc files), must refer to foo-devel, not foo.
It allows painless move to shared library and painless splitting in
future.
Example:
package foo with static-only stuff:
Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version}-%{release}
Real life example:
Package check moved from static to shared library after 10.2.
Several other packages were splitted.
Both raised need to adopt many other packages.
So, what is your objection here?
I don't get this either. Note the shared libaray naming and packaging
policy is about shared libraries, not static ones or naming a -devel
(or not -devel) package.
Yes, but it's related. If package changes from static to shared library
and the static package was referenced as libfoo, you are in problem: All
BuildRequires are now broken.
Huh? If you had a static library only the BuildRequires should have
been to FOO-devel. And that may actually have been the only package
that existed. Now, at the point you introduce a shared library you
simply introduce a lib package for it and be done.
The second mentioned thing can be re-formulated as a missing item in the
policy:
Is it allowed to package shared library altogether with development
files (.a, .pc, .so, .h)?
No. This is strictly forbidden.
Is it allowed to package development files to
package, which does not have -devel in its name?
This should also not be done.
I think that it should not be permitted, even if it causes bigger number
of packages. Otherwise it introduces missing devel dependencies (see
below).
Sure, but again this is only on the edge of the shlib policy (maybe we
shouldn't have added all the words about the non-shlib parts).
Shared libraries may reside in /lib{,64} or /usr/lib{,64} only if
there are development files packages separately in a -devel package to
link against those libraries. See (1) on how to handle different
cases.
This looks too strict. There are many packages, which create shared
library for more binaries inside one package. What is the benefit to
link say metacity binaries with
/usr/lib/metacity/libmetacity-private.so.0 instead of
/usr/lib/libmetacity-private.so.0?
This rule will need additional wirk to change many packages and
additional work even to check that all packages conform to this rule.
It avoids polluting the global shlib namespace.
2) Naming of devel package.
So my proposal:
Shared library package should be named libgsf1_114, but devel package
should be named libgsf1.
This is exactly what the policy suggests. Where do you read otherwise?
Maybe the wording can be improved.
No, it suggests libgsf1_114-devel:
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time ... the -devel packages should be suffixed with the same
number as the shared library package.
Proposed change:
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time ... the -devel packages should be suffixed with the same
number as the shared library package. If package provides a pkg-config
file or another development configuration script or shared library uses
epoch number, the -devel packages should be suffixed with the number of
it.
I changed it to
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time (for example because includes are packaged in a versioned
directory and shared libraries have a versioned name like libgtk1.so.1)
the -devel packages should be suffixed with a number that allows
identifying the
version of the library (usually this is the same number as the shared
library package suffix $NUM). So such a -devel package would be named
lib$NAME$NUM-devel.
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time (for example because includes are packaged in a versioned
directory and shared libraries have a versioned name like libgtk1.so.1)
the -devel packages should be suffixed with the same number as the
shared library package, lib$NAME$NUM-devel.
I see this is a quote from the policy. The wording needs to improve here
as $NUM does not suggest a suffix different from $SONAME is allowed.
But it's already part of the
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jdd schreef: Volker Kuhlmann wrote: How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM? many I actually try to catch for may lug old laptops. many have only 128Mb ram and laptop ram is expensive (and it's not always possible to add) For example: 2x 256MB (top) for Compaq Armada E500, costs me: EUR 184,-, incl 19% taxes: EUR 34,96 = EUR 218,96 , and this was the cheapest place i could find! (and what to do with the 64, and 128MB modules, i have left?) 10.2 runs without any problem in it (with swap), install also, but with some tricky step. Automatic swap should be very nice why not a swp file? should it be possible to use a swap file (or ask for swap partition in case not readable probably empty disk) until partitioning is asked for, then free the sawp, and repartion? jdd - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUwLmX5/X5X6LpDgRAsgzAJ9dwctbhcEP1l3i6Qrc+2+GwqdNQwCeOOCb /eEhInVVgduOIzj/YHU4whM= =zz+q -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation
M9. wrote: For example: 2x 256MB (top) for Compaq Armada E500, costs me: EUR 184,-, incl 19% taxes: EUR 34,96 = EUR 218,96 , and this was the cheapest place i could find! (and what to do with the 64, and 128MB modules, i have left?) send them to me (for free :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Meeting Minutes Dist Meeting 2007-05-10
Richard Guenther wrote:
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Stanislav Brabec wrote:
Yes, but it's related. If package changes from static to shared library
and the static package was referenced as libfoo, you are in problem: All
BuildRequires are now broken.
Huh? If you had a static library only the BuildRequires should have
been to FOO-devel. And that may actually have been the only package
that existed. Now, at the point you introduce a shared library you
simply introduce a lib package for it and be done.
I have had static only library check. Now upstream moved to shared
library and I had to update BuildRequires of all packages to
check-devel. See the bottom of this mail for proposed change.
Is it allowed to package shared library altogether with development
files (.a, .pc, .so, .h)?
No. This is strictly forbidden.
Is it allowed to package development files to
package, which does not have -devel in its name?
This should also not be done.
Agree for both. Could it be mentioned in the policy. Or is it already a
part of another policy?
Shared libraries may reside in /lib{,64} or /usr/lib{,64} only if
there are development files packages separately in a -devel package to
link against those libraries. See (1) on how to handle different
cases.
This looks too strict. There are many packages, which create shared
library for more binaries inside one package. What is the benefit to
link say metacity binaries with
/usr/lib/metacity/libmetacity-private.so.0 instead of
/usr/lib/libmetacity-private.so.0?
This rule will need additional wirk to change many packages and
additional work even to check that all packages conform to this rule.
It avoids polluting the global shlib namespace.
But still: It needs an additional work to even check conformance to this
rule. And the result is having one directory with file and link instead
of file and link in the libdir, need of rpath, and diverging from
upstream.
I changed it to
If more than one version of a -devel package can be installed at the
same time (for example because includes are packaged in a versioned
directory and shared libraries have a versioned name like libgtk1.so.1)
the -devel packages should be suffixed with a number that allows
identifying the
version of the library (usually this is the same number as the shared
library package suffix $NUM). So such a -devel package would be named
lib$NAME$NUM-devel.
Agree.
Files needed to develop programs using shared libraries contained in
lib$NAME$NUM.rpm are packaged in a -devel package. Those files include
lib*.so, lib*.la and all headers. Optionally those files can also be
placed in $NAME.rpm, in the case that it also comes with other tools or
documentation. But _if_ there is a *-devel.rpm package then it contains
all lib*.{so,la} and headers.
or did you, above, object to Optionally those files can also be
placed in $NAME.rpm... especially?
I propose to add:
If placing of development files to $NAME.rpm can introduce future
confusion, add virtual Provides: %{name}-devel = %{version} and refer
to package in BuildRequires as $NAME-devel.
It covers above mentioned problem of static - shared library move and a
situation, when strictly development package starts to provide runtime
files.
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Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
M9. wrote: snip Final comment - if changes are made to the YaST partitioner, could I propose a 'newbie' (simple) mode button: defaults when set: swap plus single / ext3 partition; A separate /home is important IMHO. A suggestion to keep old home if there is one already when installing might be good, too. defaults when unset: LVM, separate /boot (ext2), /home (ext3), swap, ... It could as well suggest all needed partitions, in the proper size :-) No opinion here because the ones not wanting the default should know what they want. -- Vahis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 jdd schreef: M9. wrote: For example: 2x 256MB (top) for Compaq Armada E500, costs me: EUR 184,-, incl 19% taxes: EUR 34,96 = EUR 218,96 , and this was the cheapest place i could find! (and what to do with the 64, and 128MB modules, i have left?) send them to me (for free :-) jdd So you want me to pay even the shippingcosts? - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUyVNX5/X5X6LpDgRAm6yAKDHjLKA+B5wo9rixT0cTHuCxNCgPACfamlT 4SwFsLljjc0cl2ERgHCRyyw= =cW9k -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Vahis schreef: M9. wrote: snip Final comment - if changes are made to the YaST partitioner, could I propose a 'newbie' (simple) mode button: defaults when set: swap plus single / ext3 partition; A separate /home is important IMHO. Out of the question, most important, keeps all settings.. A suggestion to keep old home if there is one already when installing might be good, too. Allways the best, because all settings are allready there ;-) defaults when unset: LVM, separate /boot (ext2), /home (ext3), swap, ... It could as well suggest all needed partitions, in the proper size :-) No opinion here because the ones not wanting the default should know what they want. Well, since some dirs, like /usr and /var vary from edition to edition, it is never clear what the size most optimal should be.. That is the point... If it was easy to rearrange the sizes, like with PQ PM, you could easily adapt the size to the needed size... That is why should be clear where the growth should be, so the size could be adapted in front..(because of the lack of a good partitioner..;-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 release 45.4 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUykEX5/X5X6LpDgRAj/8AKDTN1s1rkVaXvn//TInoLeRXH0wQQCgsW0S jYywusxv65RNhbEpBoCrWfo= =i58e -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Installing on SATA HDD with SATA DVD-Burner
Keith Goggin [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-05-21 20:30]: Now openSUSE 10.2 GM is pre X-Org 7.2 so the Proprietary Driver would probably work there but sadly 10.2 does not support SATA HDDs and SATA Burners :-( Can anyone tell me how to install 10.2 GM with the necessary SATA support? 10.2 works with my SATA HD and SATA DVD burner. There are no PATA devices in the system. I've seen others post here about installing 10.2 from SATA DVDs. What happens when you try? -rex -- Three Bugs for the Administrators under the sky, Seven for the Programmers in their halls of code, Nine for Mortal Users doomed to cry, None for the Dark Lord in his dark abode, In the City of Redmond where the Shadows lie. One Window to rule them all, One .dll to find them, One .vxd to take them all and in the darkness bind them. In the City of Redmond where the Shadows lie. --author unknown - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 19:31 +0200, M9. wrote: Well, since some dirs, like /usr and /var vary from edition to edition, it is never clear what the size most optimal should be.. That is the point... If it was easy to rearrange the sizes, like with PQ PM, you could easily adapt the size to the needed size... That is why should be clear where the growth should be, so the size could be adapted in front..(because of the lack of a good partitioner..;-) Well, /opt and /usr can be calculated (yast does it) Or if you want it QD, install the whole bunch as you think you might need it, with just a root partition, have a look what you need, and re-install it properly (opt usr at 75%) /srv you can also plan ahead (mysql, apache, ldap, tftp, ...) /home is always a surprise /tmp auto-purge weekly /var/log is your own admin responsibility to keep tidy btw, i did mean ext3 for small partitions that varies, not ext2 or reiser: journaling is nice for systems that change. But a 100MB reiser-FS is filled for 30% with internal datastructures. For large partitions (250GB) ext is a pita), it takes ages to make. HW -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] RFC: swapfile during installation
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: On Tue 22 May 2007 02:18:49 NZST +1200, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote: linuxrc in 10.2 is setup to ask for swap if you have less than about 256MB RAM (provided you already have a swap partition.) Thanks. No mistaking the hard hang, so there can't have been a swap partition. How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM? I do a lot, and I have a lot of clients that do. Especially schools. That want to get a way from MS. -- Boyd Gerber [EMAIL PROTECTED] ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hans Witvliet schreef: On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 19:31 +0200, M9. wrote: Well, since some dirs, like /usr and /var vary from edition to edition, it is never clear what the size most optimal should be.. That is the point... If it was easy to rearrange the sizes, like with PQ PM, you could easily adapt the size to the needed size... That is why should be clear where the growth should be, so the size could be adapted in front..(because of the lack of a good partitioner..;-) Well, /opt and /usr can be calculated (yast does it) Or if you want it QD, install the whole bunch as you think you might need it, with just a root partition, have a look what you need, and re-install it properly (opt usr at 75%) /srv you can also plan ahead (mysql, apache, ldap, tftp, ...) /home is always a surprise /tmp auto-purge weekly /var/log is your own admin responsibility to keep tidy btw, i did mean ext3 for small partitions that varies, not ext2 or reiser: journaling is nice for systems that change. But a 100MB reiser-FS is filled for 30% with internal datastructures. For large partitions (250GB) ext is a pita), it takes ages to make. HW I am just ready with the install of Alpha4... I changed everything i needed to: /boot from 30MB 100MB / , 1GB, same /usr, from 3.5 4GB /var ,1GB, same, but added: /var/lib, 1GB,(lib was the cause:400MB) /opt, 2.5GB same, /tmp, 2GB, was 3GB. swap, something like rest: about approx.374MB. /home, 20GB, /shared, 42GB. But LVM did not work for me, i added everything manualy with the other partitioner, simpeler for me... Now we'll see how long it lasts ;-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.21-8-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Alpha4 KDE: 3.5.6 release 42 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGU4uAX5/X5X6LpDgRAtgzAKCoXbBDpsLFbgMAHNru7Xvt/lSVCQCdHXCo BKhbBlC5BrYoGBks6tJJiz8= =eZlc -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] kernel update brake the boot
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 07:44, jdd wrote: You are probably already informed :-), but the last 10.2 kernel update brake the computer boot... Here was mess. In menu.lst initrd was listed with version string. for both old and new kernel. Old version of kernel and initrd that should be rescue if new doesn't work wasn't linked anywhere and if it was modules were deleted. New version was first in the list and set as default. There was Failsafe option for new kernel as second and than old entries?! What would be the purpose? BTW, new kernel worked fine. There seems to be problem with kernel sources too. I compiled new kernel with system clock of 1000 Hz where I changed version string suffix from default to custom, but new compilation overwrote default kernel modules instead to install it in a new subdirectory, which was the problem as I manually copied kernel to /boot directory, but modules were installed in wrong place. After installation of old kernel from DVD system and cleanup of /boot directory and menu.lst I was able to boot, but YOU has no clue what happened and there is no update offered. Second problem is that it is offering samba update that was installed twice and after reboot it comes up again. It is patch 3350-0. -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] Rootmodus not possible from configpanel, in A4.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It is not possible to get in the root modus to change samba settings, or log-in without password, is this known, or should i file a bug? - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.21-8-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Alpha4 KDE: 3.5.6 release 42 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGU4xnX5/X5X6LpDgRAmcHAJ0c6L59xw5vVY9WO2+aXfzit79v5QCeJBpJ r26THEm3oaTLCi1fSNLKVUM= =lgln -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse-factory] What did you guys do to /etc/fstab?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 fstab looks realy horrible! All unnessesary info makes it difficult to see what is what.. (of course i know what is what, but it looks like...terrible..) for ntfs-3g, i had to go to 10.2 repo... Amarok works without libxine1, (which is not to find), thnx!!! (new signature shows Alpha4 btw.) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.21-8-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Alpha4 KDE: 3.5.6 release 42 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGU47DX5/X5X6LpDgRAh1GAJ9l/j9jeApNaf1wT3ucgEzmwCoOPACdGWsp Ui07t00YI4w8BxadkPsO7uE= =fAht -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] Partitioner needs overhaul...
M9. wrote: Sid Boyce schreef: M9. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Since reiser is accused of murdering his wife, nobody maintains the fs.. :-( Totally untrue. Many good reads on the subject out there. reiser2 is not being further developed, but the reiser4 team is very hard at work and they have many customers using reiser4. http://kerneltrap.org/node/8102 Not totaly, the article (nice to tell me about it ;-) shows the fear was there... This pleases me, never had any problems with reiserfs, i mostly am not realy in a hurry when booting up, so if some checking has to be done is ok with me. I've been using reiserfs since about SuSE 6.2, that was back when 20 Gig was the big har drive. I had a power cut and fsck.ext2 took ages while the SuSE 6.2 box was up with no delay. Likewise, I've had no problems with reiserfs. When many guys were rubbishing reiserfs, saying it was causing corruptions and I was also having corruptions, I was advised to go to ext3, but I got corruptions with ext3 also. The problem turned out to be a bad IDE controller. Even Sun has gone away from slicing and dicing large disks into smaller ones. I've heard the arguments about accidentally erasing a partition, but they are all under / and if you rm -rf /, checkmate! I always have / and swap only, even on the largest Sun/Fujitsu SPARC Enterprise systems when I used to do Solaris installs for customers. I myself accidentally errased a few, not nice, i agree. Not having a back-up, is lots of extra work, not to speak of unreplaceble things like family digipics...(reason to burn them from then..) But for me totaly no reason not to use them. Since there are these large disks, the reason to partition them is even more nessesary, one can now install various OS on one disk, without any problem. Cutting these OS partitions apart would seem not wanted, but i do still believe in doing exactly that ;-) I am from the time, a 500MB HDD was all I had, and the trouble i have had every day to get about 20% free space, you do not want to know... The idea of: Room enough, just throw all on it!, does not fit me. I prefer to use virtual machines. I started using VMware back in the early days to run WFW 3.11 under Linux, I used their 6.0 betas which have run out of licence and I'm not prepared to buy 6.0. Virtualbox is OK for the x86 box and I'm about to test KVM any day now, everything is in place, just need to try one of their built images. Rebooting a Linux box is something I rarely do other than to bring up a new kernel. I may look again at kexec as it has been out a long time, partially worked when it first came out. But as many men, as many opinions.. And as long as 'i' do not have to do it the way 'you' want me to, we all are happy ;-) Long live the freedom of choice!!! Hear, hear!, but about 13 years ago I asked some guys why they chopped their disks up and then were forced to have symlinks going every which way when space ran out, answer was they didn't know, that was what they were told and that's what they did. Likewise I asked colleagues why at every command prompt on Solaris they hit the enter key about 10 times before typing in a command - they saw the experts doing it. In 1993 we got a new Sun workstation in the office and it ran out of space with the way the disk was sliced as then recommended by Sun, so in order to build software, they had to NFS mount the Linux PC I had set up and build it on the Linux hard drive. Whatever keeps the people warm and happy, but if you ever saw time wasting practices like guys under Solaris not using bash, preferring to use ksh -o vi and using vi commands with the dexterity of a concert pianist to recall and modify the command line, you would think it's more like fat, dumb and happy. Fallacies can and often do become Best Practice. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-factory] kernel update brake the boot
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 19:35, Rajko M. wrote: On Tuesday 22 May 2007 07:44, jdd wrote: You are probably already informed :-), but the last 10.2 kernel update brake the computer boot... Here was mess. It was, but not as described. Old kernel was removed as jdd stated. Default I set right after installation and forgot about it. Here is untouched version of menu list after second attempt to update: # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Tue May 22 21:16:43 CDT 2007 default 2 timeout 30 gfxmenu (hd0,5)/boot/message title openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hda6 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent show initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 - 2.6.18.8-0.3 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.8-0.3-default root=/dev/hda6 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=of initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default title openSUSE 10.2 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent showopts initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default title openSUSE 10.3 root (hd0,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda9 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sda5 splash=silent showopts initrd /boot/initrd title Windows rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader (hd0,0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume edd=off 3 initrd /boot/initrd And this is after edit: # Modified by YaST2. Last modification on Tue May 22 21:16:43 CDT 2007 default 0 timeout 30 gfxmenu (hd0,5)/boot/message title openSUSE 10.2 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/hda5 splash=silent showopts initrd /boot/initrd-2.6.18.8-0.3-default title openSUSE 10.3 root (hd0,8) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda9 vga=0x317 resume=/dev/sda5 splash=silent showopts initrd /boot/initrd title Windows rootnoverify (hd0,0) chainloader (hd0,0)+1 ###Don't change this comment - YaST2 identifier: Original name: failsafe### title Failsafe -- openSUSE 10.2 root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda6 vga=normal showopts ide=nodma apm=off acpi=off noresume edd=off 3 initrd /boot/initrd -- Regards, Rajko. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] internet connection sharing problem on home network problem
I'm having trouble setting up a home network to share one internet connection. I have two laptops both with ethernet cards and both with wireless cards. One laptop is connected to a wireless access point and I am trying to use that machine as a router to share the internet connection with the second laptop (via wireless). First, is this possible? I ask because I've had no success. I have followed the basic instructions on these two pages: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16579.html and http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/16022.html Machine 1 Running Suse 10.1 updated regularly. Isp access via a wireless network. Machine 1 has access to the network via eth0 linked via an ethernet cable to a wireless access point. The isp assigns fixed ip 192.168.xxx.202. The access point is not hooked up to a wireless router. The isp gateway is 192.168.xxx.254. eth1 is the wireless card which I have given the fixed ip 192.168.2.1 I have internet access without problems on this machine eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:16:D3:04:7E:AA inet addr:192.168.xxx.202 Bcast:192.168.xxx.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::216:d3ff:fe04:7eaa/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:10245 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:6164 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:2408404 (2.2 Mb) TX bytes:818320 (799.1 Kb) eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:13:02:6D:0D:20 inet addr:192.168.2.1 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::213:2ff:fe6d:d20/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:75 errors:1 dropped:1 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:14 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:2108 (2.0 Kb) TX bytes:1094 (1.0 Kb) Interrupt:185 Base address:0xc000 Memory:d400-d4000fff machine 1:~ # /sbin/route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.xxx.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo 0.0.0.0 192.168.xxx.254 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 Machine 2 - running suse 10.0 online update regularly. I can ping machine 1 but I get not ping the default gateway nor other sites. The result I get is that the network is unreachableI have enabled ip forwarding and ip masquerading on machine 1. I have tried turning off the firewalls, wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:90:4B:F9:A4:AF inet addr:192.168.2.2 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::290:4bff:fef9:a4af/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:19 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1724 (1.6 Kb) TX bytes:2734 (2.6 Kb) Memory:b0104000-b0105fff machine 2:~ # /sbin/route -n Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 wlan0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 wlan0 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo presario:~ # wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:90:4B:F9:A4:AF inet addr:192.168.2.2 Bcast:192.168.2.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 inet6 addr: fe80::290:4bff:fef9:a4af/64 Scope:Link UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:19 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:27 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:1724 (1.6 Kb) TX bytes:2734 (2.6 Kb) Memory:b0104000-b0105fff Any pointers would be much appreciated. Gustav -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] internet connection sharing problem on home network problem
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 01:03, Gustav Degreef wrote: First, is this possible? Yes. You need to setup the default gateway on machine (2) to point to the address on machine (1). Machine (1) must have ip forwarding turned on of course. On machine (2): In yast select network devices--network card-- edit then click routing. Enter the address of the machine (1). retry. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Randall R Schulz wrote: On Monday 21 May 2007 10:21, Greg Freemyer wrote: All, I suppose the others trying to staunch the flood of off-topic posts on this list are getting tired of having to say it and perhaps some think there's only a few who care, so I'll chime in this time and say: If you know it's off-topic and go so far as to mark it as such, then SEND IT TO THE OFF-TOPIC LIST! Please! Randall Schulz a) Not everyone interested in volunteering or making a useful to contribution for such event will subscribe to the OT list. b) Strictly speaking this is about assistance in helping setting up Linux, so is much less off topic than some, and is arguably on topic... c) I do NOT think that this is a particularly diplomatically useful response I can only assume that you neglected to read the OP before responding... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUrZYasN0sSnLmgIRAsO0AKCT8HhtrlaapsbZZ0ppcOw6qzEIIgCdGage u4rGNJVyZmUGoHQNfVODXIM= =H/9N -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] What Novell?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kai Ponte wrote: I know this is probably OT to many of you, but I thought you'd appreciate it. stuff deleted He went on further to describe how pathetic the marketing is compared to the onslaught of MS marketing that he and his management must fight every day. Ron apparently gave some wimpy reply that they are working on it and that marketing should get better. To which my buddy - a CNA from the 3.12 days - replied that he'd heard this for over a dozen years. I remember the Novell management team getting the same harangue about marketing from delegates at the SUNS organised Novell Technical Conference at Salford U. about a decade ago.. Novell have produced many technically excellent products over time but Novell Marketing people could not sell water to a thirsty man in the sahara desert IMHO... Nice to hear we're at least talking to the Novell management. :P We talk but do they listen? --kai ponte www.perfectreign.com --To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUrjIasN0sSnLmgIRAq4sAKC8pyshQcDxHrNn7tY8b6LmtSsP5QCfcYgD U/t7X3EcmK7OJ8+Cihax6F8= =LdlE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Corrupted audio driver 10.2/64bit?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Rajko M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-21-07 22:20]: I don't know internals of rpm --rebuilddb but I was using it and it seems that it doesn't search hard disk for installed third party software. The sound driver is: realtek-linux-audiopack-4.05f.tar.bz2 and it will compile alsa driver and some XRealMixer v0.5 from sources. John mentioned that he removed directories, but I didn't ask which as installing alsa via YaST should bring sound in order. Using an rpm-based system requires the use of rpm packages. The use of tar-balls will corrupt the rpm system and do not show up in the rpm database. Tar installations can replace libraries required by your (rpm) installed system and break things as you seem to have found with the alsa package. Removal of tar installations and source built installations is very difficult. You must be experienced and knowledgable to incorporate a mix. The only really safe usage for the unknowning is those tar packages which are self contained static packages which install in their own directory and are removable by deleting that directory structure. If you *must* build a driver (as it appears) you should incorporate the use of checkinstall which generates rpm packages for installation after build and allows for save removal, if necessary or desired. Just installed checkinstall and in the absence of a man page... decided to use checkinstall -h to find out about usage the result was... well.. a bit weird :-o I think I have deciphered enough to use it, but I get the impression documentation needs a little work :-) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUrtzasN0sSnLmgIRAoeDAKDh9Tmzdifx3E2C09gPLVdDMM4ctQCgwrB1 Fqmg4oi9L5hcVAqnoiuBH1M= =FzV/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Enlightenment e17 and e16
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In attempting to get hold of something to edit my enlightenment menus I accidentally torched my e16 installation. It was easy enough to restore the e16 setup, but it seems the e17 (from Pacman) rpm a) does not install e17 completely correctly, b) removes the e16 installation. According to the enlightenment site e16 and e17 can coexist, Has anyone got these to co-exist on SuSE? If so how? I would prefer not to re-invent the wheel... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUr6CasN0sSnLmgIRAt0WAJ9VZPRHrYFPUR0P4EMh0gUvaErOZgCdHeku pdqsdyMOhINszuaZVh253Qo= =/jJ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] KDE question?
Hi, Can anybody give me a technical insight on 1. If the KDE that's included in OpenSUSE is a customized version than the standard KDE released from KDE.org? I have seen mentions in the internet relating to something about OpenSUSe maintaining its own KDE?!!!? 2. If its not customized than one can expect to get the KDE release from KDE.org and install it in ones current OpenSUSE installation. Right? 3. If its indeed customized, anybody has any technical overview/summary of the customizations done / areas customized? Regards, Mohammad -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] zypper enable/disable
Hi
I have a bunch of repositories I like to enable/disable:
Punchball:~ # zypper sl
# | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Name| URI
--+-+-+--+-+---
1 | Yes | Yes | YUM | some name | some url
Aka:
# | Enabled | Refresh | Type | Name| URI
--+-+-+--+-+---
1 | No | No | YUM | some name | some url
How is this done via zypper on the commandline?
just switching the flag.
Only way I found working was deleting them,
then adding them with -d
zypper sd url
zypper sa -d url
Thanks
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Re: [opensuse] Removal of OT posters Was: Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning
JB2 wrote: On Mon 21 May 07 21:51, Pueblo Native wrote: ...throw yourself in front of an oncoming semi. Test that for us and tell us how it comes out. Actually a better suggestion: List mods, could you threaten to remove or ban Pueblo, Patrick, et al if they continue posting completely OT material apropos nothing, please? Posting OT in relation to something already being discussed (that is OnT) is one thing, but just spamming the list with random articles, jokes, anecdotes, funny pictures, etc is another. Posting about OSuSE related news (i.e. news about events which directly affect and involve OSuSE or Novell) is a grey area as they are non-technical but relevant: I think they should still be marked OT but tolerated. Perhaps there should be a opensuse-inthenews list? OTOH, one can just filter [OT] flagged messages to the big circular folder. So I'd ask people consider this and remove the [OT] flag if they come back on topic. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] internet connection sharing problem on home network problem
Success Mark, Thanks for the really fast response and tip. I thought I had tried that before, but what I must have done before was to put the machine 2 address in the gateway under the expert configuration tab of the routing section in yast2. Now both machines are connected to the internet. I really appreciate your help. I am in a small village outside of Novi Sad in Serbia since the past month and so had no one to personally turn to for help. Gustav On 5/22/07, M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 22 May 2007 01:03, Gustav Degreef wrote: First, is this possible? Yes. You need to setup the default gateway on machine (2) to point to the address on machine (1). Machine (1) must have ip forwarding turned on of course. On machine (2): In yast select network devices--network card-- edit then click routing. Enter the address of the machine (1). retry. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Major problem ! Delta iso doesn't work !
JB2 wrote: On Sat 19 May 07 15:24, Druid wrote: On every list there are trolls and fan-boys, many with social skills in inverse proportion to their ambient anger levels. The best thing to do is to ignore them and just get on with life. That's my 2c-worth, anyway. I think When are you going to prove that? Could you stop making personal attacks, please. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] RE: Have you experienced a general sligish DNS resolution - OT - Just slightly
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Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2007-05-21 at 12:06 +1000, Registration Account wrote:
Thanks for your comment. I understand I can trust a cached DNS server to
just do what is can do without defining zones, however in this case I
don't want to let it do what it wants to - if I did it would probably
just ask my ISP DNS servers first and then other local DNS servers.
Why I elected to define external zones is that I wanted a cached answer
from a source well outside the country - so in some ways I have
circumvented a situation where a cached answer could come from a local
source.
You don't need to define any zones to achieve that behaviour.
What you need is playing with the options in /etc/named.conf:
forward first;
forwarders { One_IP; Another_IP; };
with this two lines, the named daemon will ask first those DNSs servers
you list there - and you choose them local or in the antipodes. Or remove
those lines and it will always ask the root servers.
But you do not need to define any zone at all.
There is the further option of defining a forward zone (see below)...
This would direct queries about a particular address space to a
particular server. This would require a fair bit of TLC. (and I am
assuming that is what is being done here, trying to synchronise as a
slave zone without permission is quite likely to be interpreted as an
attempted security hack whether it succeeds or not).
zone domain_name [ ( in | hs | hesiod | chaos ) ] {
type forward;
[ forward ( only | first ); ]
[ forwarders { [ ip_addr ; [ ip_addr ; ... ] ] }; ]
[ check-names ( warn | fail | ignore ); ]
};
This could reduce the negotiation traffic
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[opensuse] Offtopic posting, was: [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)
* G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-22-07 05:22]: a) Not everyone interested in volunteering or making a useful to contribution for such event will subscribe to the OT list. Then they should restrain themselves and refrain from posting OT. b) Strictly speaking this is about assistance in helping setting up Linux, so is much less off topic than some, and is arguably on topic... grep -i suse article results in no output c) I do NOT think that this is a particularly diplomatically useful response I can only assume that you neglected to read the OP before responding... You think that Randall posted after noticing the subject line rather than reading the post? What response would be diplomatically useful and, providing you have a better response, why didn't you diplomatically advise the poster the proper channel for his post? I cite a partial quote from a respected member of this list: quote Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:24:04 +0200 From: Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] The opensuse@opensuse.org list is already unusable for anything besides pointless off-topic discussions. So please, let us use *this* list for real work, actions, not blathering. /quote -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Corrupted audio driver 10.2/64bit?
G T Smith wrote: Just installed checkinstall and in the absence of a man page... decided to use checkinstall -h to find out about usage the result was... well.. a bit weird :-o I think I have deciphered enough to use it, but I get the impression documentation needs a little work :-) You don't need any options listed in the -h list. Ordinarily you would ./configure [options] make make install to install a tarball and to use checkinstall you just replace make install with checkinstall. That will build an rpm package that you either install with rpm -Uvh /complete/path/to/RPM-PACKAGE or with Yast. When you use Yast you have to add the /complete/path/to/RPM-PACKAGE to the Yast sources. Alternatively you could click in Konqueror on the file, because that fires up Yast, with the path already added IIRC. Regards, Regards, -- Jos van Kanregistered Linux user #152704 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Monitor and Soundcard problems
Hello, I recently installed SuSE 10.2 on a system that was running SuSE 10.1. Unfortunately the new system did not properly configure my monitor or sound card. I was able to fix both problems and I want to give my solution to someone who can integrate it into future SuSE releases. Where should I put this information??? Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Problems getting Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB to do 5.1 with 10.2 64bit
Sound is working with the alsa dmix plugin and various applications but
i have no idea how to setup 5.1.
speaker-test only works for both front channels, nothing more!
Here is my .asoundrc:
pcm.!default {
type plug
slave.pcmdmixer
}
pcm.usb-audio {
type hw
card 1
}
ctl.usb-audio {
type hw
card 1
}
pcm.dmixer {
type dmix
ipc_key 1024
slave {
pcm hw:1,0
period_time 0
period_size 1024
buffer_time 0
buffer_size 4096
rate 48000
channels 6
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Any help would be highly appreciated!
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Re: [opensuse] Monitor and Soundcard problems
* Karl Edler [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-22-07 08:37]: I recently installed SuSE 10.2 on a system that was running SuSE 10.1. Unfortunately the new system did not properly configure my monitor or sound card. I was able to fix both problems and I want to give my solution to someone who can integrate it into future SuSE releases. Where should I put this information??? go to:http://opensuse.org -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: [OT] Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning
Brad Bourn wrote: LET ME GIVE YOU THE ALL CAPS ONE THEN, FOR MORE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT. Thank you for providing another entry for my KILL file. Joachim -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Joachim Schrod Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Roedermark, Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video
Darryl Gregorash wrote: On 2007-05-21 06:38, Jim Flanagan wrote: snip /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce. This is what lead me to beleive that x is not configured properly, but it may be something else. Not sure what exactly the problem is. Another problem is clicking in My Computer returns an i/o error. That file belongs to xorg-x11-Mesa. Try re-installing that (and the -devel package if you are using it). I did not find a package called xorg-x11-Mesa, but I did find simply Mesa and Mesa-devel. I updated those, but did not uninstall first. They updated from the skynet source. No change in behavior, screensaver still returns the same error message. Did I find the right packages? Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video
M Harris wrote: On Sunday 20 May 2007 23:01, Jim Flanagan wrote: In KDEconfigure desktopscreensaver, I get the message: The specified library screensaver could not be found. The diagnosis is: /usr/lib/libGL.so.1: undefined symbol: drmCloseOnce I'm sorry Jim, I missunderstood you... thought you couldn't get the X configured correctly. Just to make sure we're on the same page... does you X setup work... in other words, do you get a desktop ? So, the problem is the screensaver? Does xscreensaver work? Just remove and reinstall the following packages: kdeartwork3-kscreensaver kdeartwork3-xscreensaver xscreensaver If this does not work, just to be clean about it, remove kde and reinstall kde. Well, I feel like in stuck in the movie Groundhog Day. I keep getting back to where I was, but no better off. I tried Daryl's suggestion and updated Mesa and Mesa-devel, not change. Then i uninstalled the patterns KDE Desktop and KDE Base. Told all the dependencies to delete as well, system then booted into terminal, no X. The re-installed KDE and Xorg. Now I'm back to desktop, but all is exaclty where I had left it before. All my programs are still here, tbird etc. and screensaver still won't work. Glxinfo still retunrs the same error message. Perhaps I should try uninstalling KDE again, but this time delete /etc/x11?? then reinstall?? Jim F -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: Removal of OT posters Was: Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning
Russell Jones wrote: JB2 wrote: On Mon 21 May 07 21:51, Pueblo Native wrote: ...throw yourself in front of an oncoming semi. Test that for us and tell us how it comes out. Actually a better suggestion: List mods, could you threaten to remove or ban Pueblo, Patrick, et al if they continue posting completely OT material apropos nothing, please? Posting OT in relation to something already being discussed (that is OnT) is one thing, but just spamming the list with random articles, jokes, anecdotes, funny pictures, etc is another. That's the beautiful thing about reading these lists via Gmane and using a newsreader. One simple keystroke, and the entire thread is ignored, for now and forever. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Problems getting Terratec Aureon 5.1 USB to do 5.1 with 10.2 64bit
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 15:14, S Glasoe wrote: On Tuesday May 22 2007 7:44:00 am Frank Fiene wrote: Sound is working with the alsa dmix plugin and various applications but i have no idea how to setup 5.1. speaker-test only works for both front channels, nothing more! http://alsa.opensrc.org/Terratec_Aureon_5.1_USB_MK.2 looks like it'll help. Hmmm, seems to work a little bit better, but whereever i plug my speakers in (i have no 5.1 at work, so for testing i plug in normal speakers in one of tht three output slots), speaker-test makes only noise on Front Left and Front Right, with slightly different sound with the Subwoofer port. So i think at the moment i have a 2.1 system. ;-) Better than before! I have to try the routing thing in the asoundrc file. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Re: KDE question?
Mohammad Bhuyan wrote: Hi, Can anybody give me a technical insight on Just one man's answers. 1. If the KDE that's included in OpenSUSE is a customized version than the standard KDE released from KDE.org? I have seen mentions in the internet relating to something about OpenSUSe maintaining its own KDE?!!!? I don't believe it is a customized KDE. Yes, there are certain apps that get installed, and there is the special menu (which can be toggled to use the standard KDE menu). But that's about it, as far as I know. 2. If its not customized than one can expect to get the KDE release from KDE.org and install it in ones current OpenSUSE installation. Right? No, it would be better if you got the one from a SUSE build source. An easy way to do this is to use YaST-Software Packages and change the Filter: to be Patterns, and pick the KDE Desktop and KDE Base systems. -- Jonathan Arnold (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Daemon Dancing in the Dark, an Open OS weblog: http://freebsd.amazingdev.com/blog/ UNIX is user-friendly. It's just a bit picky about who its friends are. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removal of OT posters Was: Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning
On Tue 22 May 07 05:25, Russell Jones wrote: JB2 wrote: On Mon 21 May 07 21:51, Pueblo Native wrote: ...throw yourself in front of an oncoming semi. Test that for us and tell us how it comes out. Actually a better suggestion: List mods, could you threaten to remove or ban Pueblo, Patrick, et al if they continue posting completely OT material apropos nothing, please? Why Patrick? AFAIR, I've never seen anything OT here from him. -- Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not. Thomas Jefferson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Changing refresh rate
I want to change the refresh rate of my monitor to a higher value than the defaults values. I have tried to modify the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file in order to add the desired refresh value, but nothing is changed in the list of values displayed by sax2 for example. Any suggestions? Bogdan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video
On Tuesday May 22 2007 8:40:17 am Jim Flanagan wrote: Well, I feel like in stuck in the movie Groundhog Day. I keep getting back to where I was, but no better off. I tried Daryl's suggestion and updated Mesa and Mesa-devel, not change. Then i uninstalled the patterns KDE Desktop and KDE Base. Told all the dependencies to delete as well, system then booted into terminal, no X. The re-installed KDE and Xorg. Now I'm back to desktop, but all is exaclty where I had left it before. All my programs are still here, tbird etc. and screensaver still won't work. Glxinfo still retunrs the same error message. Perhaps I should try uninstalling KDE again, but this time delete /etc/x11?? then reinstall?? Jim F Can't remember if you have moved or deleted your ~/.kde directory and deleted everything in /tmp related to this particular login ID and then rebooted. That would clear out any weird settings left over from whatever. By un/re-installing KDE you won't get a clean ~/.kde so any possible bad or wrong settings are retained. Did you create a new user ID and does it have the same problems? -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] [OT] Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning
On Monday 21 May 2007 8:51 pm, Pueblo Native wrote: JB2 wrote: On Mon 21 May 07 14:01, Brad Bourn wrote: woot! last word No, you twit, this is the last word... you are now plonked Oh no, Brad, JB2 has plonked you, what will you ever do? Do you just drown your sorrows in liquor, or throw yourself in front of an oncoming semi. Oh the sheer horror of it all. Oh the humanity. You like. It's the most dramatic I could think of on short notice. I wish more of the complainers would plonk me. Funny thing is, they've used that as the last word, most powerfull threat, oh, no, what will I ever do type of plugging ears and humming reaction to me. And the truth of the matter is, that there are some people that actually have knowledge about all things suse. They even (while complaining about OT) contribute to what they complain about. I subscribe to the list to learn and help. Those that don't want my help because they are too worried about controlling the list by threats and name calling instead of leading by example doesn't bother me. Those that won't help me because of same, wouldn't be a good lasting relationship either. However, I can forgive them their shortcomings and often I will only click on their responses to get some of that knowledge. But more and more, the only knowledge I get from them is how to abuse and belittle other posters because they don't follow what they think is necessary for posting to the list. Eventually I get frustrated enough that the only thing these people seem to be contributing is conforming, all or nothing, zero tolerance, our way or the highway attitudes that would seem to be just the opposite of what an open community of folks with different backgrounds, beliefs, habits, education, experience, etc. stands for, or gets its benefit from. And it seems to be the same people. People that would be smart enough to filter out such posts. So that obviously isn't the point. The point seems to be controll. So, if the first thing you look for in a post is conformity, plonk me PLEASE! I don't conform, I innovate. If all top posted responses elicit an immediate critique, plonk me PLEASE! I believe there is a place for them, and I for one appreciate a quick one line answer to a well defined syntax question. Bottom line, think for yourself. You list cops should start your own secret list that nobody that doesn't conform can subscribe to. Of course you all know everthing that ever was and is (naturally, since you are soon adept at knowing what is OT and what isn't), so I don't know what you'll do when you don't have innovators to chide, but some people like the ol' circle jerk. B-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Evolution/palm sync woes
- Original Message From: JP Rosevear [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Simon Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Suse Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:50:27 AM Subject: Re: [opensuse] Evolution/palm sync woes On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 13:00 -0700, Simon Roberts wrote: Hi all, I'm trying to get my girlfriend a Linux system, and am making a fool of myself :( She needs to have a working mechanism for syncing her palm device. I proudly told her that evolution would do this without difficulty. Hah, bloody wrong :( I've been round the houses with 10.2, first it didn't recognize the device, then I tried to install new versions, all manner of nonsense. I've tried compiling and installing from source, but now I think I'm close. I finally figured out that the system wasn't doing the patch downloads, so when I got that configured properly, I found hundreds of updates, including evolution and gnome-pilot updates. Well, next I found that the system would recognize the palm, and would sync, but that there were no evolution conduits offered. Then I located them in /opt/gnome/share/blahblah/conduits, but worked out that the set the system was working with are in /usr/local...blah. So, I copied them over. Why is the system set in /usr/local? Nothing from the official distribution should be in there. Sounds like either a source install or rpms from a non-standard repo. - I suspect this is a consequence of my having tried to build from source previously. That's part of my problem; the original install with 10.2 didn't work at all for this device, and there were no patches. I tried to build from scratch, that didn't work either (it's a while ago now, so I've lost track of exactly what did happen, but I don't think everything compiled). Then in the last couple of days I found the patches and installed them, then discovered that I could not see the e-xxx conduits, and that's where I am now. Which was why part of my original question was, how do I clean up and do a fresh install of just the evolution, gnome-pilot, etc. related parts. There's configuration and stuff on this machine that I don't want to trash by a fresh install of the whole system, but I think if I can reinstall the evolution and pilot stuff, then patch it, it might well work ok. Suggestions? Cheers, Simon You can tell whether a man is clever by his answers. You can tell whether a man is wise by his questions. — Naguib Mahfouz Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Changing refresh rate
Please add your hardware specification (graphics card, monitor or display). In case you have nVidia or ATI graphics card, please tell us whether you use opensource drivers (search for nv or radeon in /etc/X11/xorg.conf) or whether you have installed drivers form corresponding company's website. You should add what refresh rates you have got and what you would like to set up. Without these informations, we can only guess, such that you don't have correctly set-up your monitor informations etc. Tosuja -- Petr Tosuja Klíma Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tosuja.info ICQ: 52057532 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Offtopic posting, was: [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)
And what besides a critique did you contribute here? Linux in the classroom is VERY important in my opinion. and even moreso for SuSE/Novell. The majority of server installs I did when I was a tech was Novell in schools. I have done lots of work for school districts, and I prefer SuSE. I started reading this thread hoping to interject my success with ltsp, and would like to see SuSE more involved with k12ltsp.org. Seems a perfect match with the benefit of Novell's inroads already with the school system. I forget which distro Jim is/was using for ltsp, but is wasn't SuSE. I used SuSE for my ltsp stuff and did the best I could to champion it with him for that project. What Novell is doing with M$, what they are doing with SuSE, what is happing in the markets, public opinion, (even jokes, which poke at known public opinions) is all relevant to SuSE a go. The more information I have to champion the cause (SuSE, not list etiquette), the better. That this list provide technical information / answers to the folks that are discovering SuSE, is a great thing. That this list contributes to arming those that are able to help make a go of SuSE, and bring in more users, gain insights that help pacify PHB's, all the better. The people that complain about posts, and contribute only if the letter of the law is followed only stifle progress. B-) On Tuesday 22 May 2007 6:12 am, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * G T Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] [05-22-07 05:22]: a) Not everyone interested in volunteering or making a useful to contribution for such event will subscribe to the OT list. Then they should restrain themselves and refrain from posting OT. b) Strictly speaking this is about assistance in helping setting up Linux, so is much less off topic than some, and is arguably on topic... grep -i suse article results in no output c) I do NOT think that this is a particularly diplomatically useful response I can only assume that you neglected to read the OP before responding... You think that Randall posted after noticing the subject line rather than reading the post? What response would be diplomatically useful and, providing you have a better response, why didn't you diplomatically advise the poster the proper channel for his post? I cite a partial quote from a respected member of this list: quote Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:24:04 +0200 From: Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] The opensuse@opensuse.org list is already unusable for anything besides pointless off-topic discussions. So please, let us use *this* list for real work, actions, not blathering. /quote -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USAHOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 OpenSUSE Linux http://en.opensuse.org/ Registered Linux User #207535@ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Enlightenment e17 and e16
G T Smith wrote: In attempting to get hold of something to edit my enlightenment menus I accidentally torched my e16 installation. It was easy enough to restore the e16 setup, but it seems the e17 (from Pacman) rpm a) does not install e17 completely correctly, b) removes the e16 installation. The Suse enlightenment package installs its config files in ~/.enlightenment; the packman e16 package stores them in ~/.e16; the e17 package goes into ~/.e According to the enlightenment site e16 and e17 can coexist, Has anyone got these to co-exist on SuSE? If so how? I would prefer not to re-invent the wheel... so, from above, you don't have to do anything to get them to coexist. -- Rafael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] internet connection sharing problem on home network problem
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 05:57, Gustav Degreef wrote: Success Mark, Thanks for the really fast response and tip. You are most welcome. ... good day to you. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Removal of OT posters Was: Now this gives Playing with your pingus a whole new meaning
Russell Jones creatively edited: JB2 wrote: On Mon 21 May 07 21:51, Pueblo Native wrote: ...throw yourself in front of an oncoming semi. Test that for us and tell us how it comes out. After you, my good pal, since you're so fond of taking words out of context. If you want to ignore somebody do so, but to publicly announce it as though you matter to that particular person or anybody else just smacks of ego and self-importance. I'm not here to win a popularity contest and I doubt anybody really cares who you ignore, plonk or whatever you wish to do to put on the blinders. There are people on this list that could put drama queens of both genders to shame. Check yourself. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with xorg and video
On Tuesday May 22 2007 11:18:59 am Jim Flanagan wrote: I did not delete ~/.kde or /tmp before reinstalling KDE. Thats a good idea. I think I'll delete /etc/X11 as well. Don't know if deleting /etc/X11at the same time is a good idea. I'd save that for a next step. Existing other users and a new user experience the same problems. This may or may not be related, but clicking on My Computer on the desktop returns this error: An error occurred while loading sysinfo:/: Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_sysinfo'. Jim F kio_sysinfo is provided by kdebase3-SuSE-10.2-x.y.rpm I believe. Maybe you are missing more than a few KDE rpms. Possibly select almost everything in YaST, Software Management that starts with KDE* instead of going for package groups may load the missing rpms. -- Stan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] SSH Login Message
Does anyone know how to stop this message from being displayed when someone logs in using SSH sshd[26987]: pam_unix2: session started for user , service sshd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Strange behaviour of ACPI on laptop
Well, we can probably guess the bios from your laptop model and processor. What is the laptop, and what does it say on the screen when you open My Computer (KDE) or Computer (GNOME)? The laptop is model from a danish company called PrimeTech, and the processor is a Intel Celeron 1.4 GHz. The laptop is almost 1 years old, and I cannot the model number. But again the software in bios is from Insyde Software Corporation. Best regards Torben Frøberg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Strange behaviour of ACPI on laptop
I am using 2.6.18, so it is a good idea. But I havent installed/upgraded/configured a kernel for year in hand. Can I just install the rpm- package and expect everything is working? If not, can you easily give me a good link to how to upgrae the kernel. Best regards Torben Cristea Bogdan wrote: What kernel version do you have? I recommend to download the latest version, 2.6.21, from the openSuSE site: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/SL-OSS-factory/inst-source/suse/x86_64/kernel-source-2.6.21-10.x86_64.rpm Bogdan On 5/21/07, torben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a laptop with a strange behaviour. If I turn on ACPI when I boot the machine, the USB connections do not work (or at least, they work very bad. A USB mouse is very very slow). If I turn off ACPI when I boot the boot the machine, the USB connections do work but the wireless card does not work. I would like to have a setup, where both the wireless network card and the USB ports are working at the same time. I had been looking at http://www.novell.com/documentation/opensuse102/opensuse102_reference/data/sec_pmanage_acpi.html but I have my problems to find oout, which module I should include, and which I should exclude. I hope someone know how to help me. I could imagine some information of the BIOS system would be a great help, but I do not know how to get the information for the BIOS. Only thing I can see is, the BIOS is based on software from Inside Software CDU. -- Best regards Torben Frøberg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ***SPAM*** [opensuse] SSH Login Message
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 13:55 -0400, Bob wrote: Does anyone know how to stop this message from being displayed when someone logs in using SSH sshd[26987]: pam_unix2: session started for user , service sshd No, and why would you want to unless you were breaking into the system? -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ***SPAM*** [opensuse] SSH Login Message
Because it is displayed to the console as well as the syslog and we are using an IBM product called Toolkit and when that product tries to connect and run scripts on the linux machine, it destroys products display screen ad makes it impossible to read. Somehow this message to the console got turned on when I configured LDAP but I don't know how. Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 13:55 -0400, Bob wrote: Does anyone know how to stop this message from being displayed when someone logs in using SSH sshd[26987]: pam_unix2: session started for user , service sshd No, and why would you want to unless you were breaking into the system? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Offtopic posting, was: [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)
Op Tuesday 22 May 2007 18:14:58 schreef Brad Bourn: I forget which distro Jim is/was using for ltsp, but is wasn't SuSE. I used SuSE for my ltsp stuff and did the best I could to champion it with him for that project. http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP -- Richard Bos Without a home the journey is endless -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Offtopic posting, was: [OT] Linux in the classroom (K-12)
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 1:01 pm, Richard Bos wrote: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP Fn EXCELLENT Thanks Richard! B-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ***SPAM*** Re: ***SPAM*** [opensuse] SSH Login Message
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 15:00 -0400, Bob wrote: Because it is displayed to the console as well as the syslog and we are using an IBM product called Toolkit and when that product tries to connect and run scripts on the linux machine, it destroys products display screen ad makes it impossible to read. Somehow this message to the console got turned on when I configured LDAP but I don't know how. Ah... the crystal ball lights up dimly, I see now that you did something with LDAP and this started. Maybe now some of the other folks can come up with an answer for you. Perhaps something in the syslog config or maybe you have tty10 being displayed instead of tty1 (which should not show any log activities like they do in tty10). -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Strange behaviour of ACPI on laptop
Cristea Bogdan wrote: After downloading the rpm, use yast to install sources in the default location /usr/src. Change to the installation directory (e.g. usr/src/linux-2.6.21-8) and execute the following commands as root: make menuconfig (or xconfig) //here you should change some options in oder to match your hardware config. But first I think I need to modify grub so I can switch back to the old kernel. This point I think I can manage. Secondly, I would prefer to use the old kernel configuration as a starting point for the configuration of the new kernel. Can I somehow export the configuration of the old kernel and use it as a starting point for the new kernel? best regards Torben -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Strange behaviour of ACPI on laptop
torben wrote: [...] Secondly, I would prefer to use the old kernel configuration as a starting point for the configuration of the new kernel. Can I somehow export the configuration of the old kernel and use it as a starting point for the new kernel? Yes. With SuSE kernel sources, you can just run make cloneconfig in the new kernel source tree and this will clone the configuration of the currently running kernel. With vanilla kernel sources (however, it works of course also with SuSE kernel sources), you can copy the existing old configuration (e.g. /boot/config-2.6.xyz or /usr/src/oldkernel/.config) to a file called .config in the new kernel source tree and then run make oldconfig. Both approaches do not use a build directory, but you might not want to use one anyway... HTH, Th. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SSH Login Message
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-05-22 at 15:21 -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote: On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 15:00 -0400, Bob wrote: Because it is displayed to the console as well as the syslog and we are using an IBM product called Toolkit and when that product tries to connect and run scripts on the linux machine, it destroys products display screen ad makes it impossible to read. Somehow this message to the console got turned on when I configured LDAP but I don't know how. Ah... the crystal ball lights up dimly, I see now that you did something with LDAP and this started. Maybe now some of the other folks can come up with an answer for you. Perhaps something in the syslog config or maybe you have tty10 being displayed instead of tty1 (which should not show any log activities like they do in tty10). Something similar happened to me with 7.3 when I wanted to dump some messages to tty11: some of them came in the rest of the consoles too. The place to look is the syslog config (to undo the change), but I never discovered why they went to the incorrect ttys. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFGU1DUtTMYHG2NR9URAtGVAJ0bGJ1TzdzENt5Yt3okjukLW66k/ACggo90 wKeLGajxgJTO1dTLim5/b5A= =dtOv -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] SSH Login Message
I actually systems. The test one that I configure for LDAP a few months ago doesn't do this. It is the production one that does now so I can compared config files between the 2 systems. The syslog config on both systems are the same. Carlos E. R. wrote: Something similar happened to me with 7.3 when I wanted to dump some messages to tty11: some of them came in the rest of the consoles too. The place to look is the syslog config (to undo the change), but I never discovered why they went to the incorrect ttys. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?
I need to use my laptops serial port, to connect via serial cable to cisco switches, fiber channel switches, etc I found reference to gtkterm, but there does not appear to be an RPM for it, and I'm just wondering whether there is a util that comes with suse distros? Peter -- Do not be idolatrous or bound to any doctrine, theory or ideology, even Buddhist ones. All systems of thought are guiding means, not absolute truth. Thich Nhat Hanh, Vietnamese monk. http://www.seaox.com/thich.html www.the-brights.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?
On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:35:49PM -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote: I need to use my laptops serial port, to connect via serial cable to cisco switches, fiber channel switches, etc screen /dev/ttyS0 9600(or whatever) pgpMPEwFWgu5Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?
On 5/22/07, Seth Arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2007 at 03:35:49PM -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote: I need to use my laptops serial port, to connect via serial cable to cisco switches, fiber channel switches, etc screen /dev/ttyS0 9600(or whatever) thank you ... this looks promising. How do I know/discover which /dev/tty* device = my actual serial port? I looked in YAST hardware info, and there is much there, but nothing clearly labeled serial port 1 or com1 or etc As for minicom, I will try this as soon as I can get to my install DVD. Same goes for gtkiterm -- apparently this also ships with the distro but it not installed by default. Sounds like it and minicom are the closest match to a hyper-term like option Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Keyboard with buttons
I have a Dell keyboard with home, refresh, close, back and forward buttons on it. These buttons do not work when pushed. Is there a way to make these buttons work on SLED10 with firefox2? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Keyboard with buttons
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 17:15, Chris Arnold wrote: I have a Dell keyboard with home, refresh, close, back and forward buttons on it. These buttons do not work when pushed. Is there a way to make these buttons work on SLED10 with firefox2? Yes, ... the first thing you need to do is determine whether the keys are visible to the kernel... this is easy: From a black screen alt-F1 console use the showkey command... do not do this from a terminal on the desktop With showkey running press all the the special multimedia keys... and look for responses. If the key does nothing, then press the F10 key to look at the kernel messages... the kernel will tell you whether the key was recognized and what its scancode is. You can add easily scancodes to the kernel with setkeycodes command. Next, you will need to map the kernel keycode to the X events you want for firefox... or multimedia... whatever... using xev. Run xev from a terminal on your desktop. It will open a window that you will focus with your mouse and then type into it... the keycodes will appear for keypress and keyrelease... write them down... you then map those events to the action you want using the keyboard utilities in the control panel. All of the buttons on all keyboards can be mapped to do anything you want to do... sometimes its a little work... but it is always doable in linux. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Still having problems with syslog-ng syntax
Darryl I tested yesterday with the space and there is no difference.
I did however make some progress with the following
source src { unix-stream(/var/log/skot); internal(); udp(ip(0.0.0.0)
port(514)); };
This script does parse and it does create a file names skot and it
does bind with UDP 514, however it writes nothing. I think I know need
to specify the facility ==Local0 to which the sending device
defines. With Wireshark I can just listen to UDP514 and see the
truncated data, however syslog-ng seems not to be written that easy.
It appears that in the case where we want syslog-ng to listen to a port,
we cannot use regular source syntax and form. It appears from the manual
that the moment the source is a port the source logic and syntax
changes dramatically.
Now I think I only need to specify the correct facility. I dont think
(rightfully) syslog-ng has a command that globally listens to 'anything'
on a port
Your thoughts if you have time.
Scott
Darryl Gregorash wrote:
On 2007-05-21 16:06, Registration Account wrote:
I was clear to perform a copy and paste. Sorry the syntax error remains.
I can see your equal () and equal {} I have not a clue why the syntax
wont parse.
I pasted the line into a console and see I didn't mix up the
braces/parentheses after all, as you've noted.
All I can think of now is a syntax error in the documentation. The line
I quote from there is as follows:
destination d_file { file(/var/log/skot ); };
The format in the actual syslog-ng.conf file on my system is instead
suggestive of the following:
destination d_file { file(/var/log/skot); };
Note the absence of the space following the file name.
Yes, I'm really grasping at a rather small straw here.
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Re: Re: Re: [opensuse] Keyboard with buttons
-Original Message- From: M Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: opensuse@opensuse.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:24:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [opensuse] Keyboard with buttons On Tuesday 22 May 2007 17:15, Chris Arnold wrote: I have a Dell keyboard with home, refresh, close, back and forward buttons on it. These buttons do not work when pushed. Is there a way to make these buttons work on SLED10 with firefox2? Yes, ... the first thing you need to do is determine whether the keys are visible to the kernel... this is easy: From a black screen alt-F1 console use the showkey command... do not do this from a terminal on the desktop With showkey running press all the the special multimedia keys... and look for responses. If the key does nothing, then press the F10 key to look at the kernel messages... the kernel will tell you whether the key was recognized and what its scancode is. You can add easily scancodes to the kernel with setkeycodes command. Next, you will need to map the kernel keycode to the X events you want for firefox... or multimedia... whatever... using xev. Run xev from a terminal on your desktop. It will open a window that you will focus with your mouse and then type into it... the keycodes will appear for keypress and keyrelease... write them down... you then map those events to the action you want using the keyboard utilities in the control panel. All of the buttons on all keyboards can be mapped to do anything you want to do... sometimes its a little work... but it is always doable in linux. -- Kind regards, M Harris Kernel see the strokes and all is well, except, in control center, i do not see where to map the numbers to the buttons. I looked in the keyboard applet and i was able to map the vol buttons in the shortcuts applet. Where exactly do i map the browser buttons to the browser? Thanks again for the help -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] gtkterm -- or -like prog for sled/open suse 10.1?
On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 15:35 -0500, Peter Van Lone wrote: I need to use my laptops serial port, to connect via serial cable to cisco switches, fiber channel switches, etc I found reference to gtkterm, but there does not appear to be an RPM for it, and I'm just wondering whether there is a util that comes with suse distros? Peter I always used seyon to connect to the Cisco equipment. Worked very well every time. The tty would most likely be ttyS0. -- Ken Schneider UNIX since 1989, linux since 1994, SuSE since 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] rpm problem
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 01:10, Pascal Bleser wrote: Bob S wrote: Running 10.2 64 bit. Tried to install an src rpm. RPM version is rpm-4.4.2-76 rpm won't accept the --rebuild or the -bb commands. Any ideas why? rpmbuild --rebuild rpmbuild -bb Thanks Pascal Bob S -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[opensuse] Wanna umask inhereted from parent directory
Hi all, Most of the time I administer Redhat server. However, recently I spend more and more time exploring Opensuse. There's one thing that I don't get it yet regarding sgid and umask in Opensuse. In RH, when I create a directory say 'test', chmod it 3770. It will look like this: drwxrws--T 2 root sales 4096 2007-05-23 08:16 test Then, when I create a file inside the directory, it will have permission like this: -rw-rw-r-- 1 geecko sales 4 2007-05-23 09:14 filegeecko (notice the rw-rw-r--). I do the same in Opensuse. But, the file created in the directory have the permission: -rw-r--r-- 1 geecko sales 4 2007-05-23 09:17 filegeecko (notice the rw-r--r--). This permission makes other user in sales group cannot edit geecko's file. User geecko has to specifically set the permission to 664 on the file. How do I achive the default umask inhereted from the parent directory? I read some suggestions from google to adjust the global default umask, but I think it's a bit risky, or is it the only way? Thank you very much. -- Fajar Priyanto | Reg'd Linux User #327841 | Linux tutorial http://linux2.arinet.org 9:32am up 1:25, 2.6.18.2-34-default GNU/Linux Let's use OpenOffice. http://www.openoffice.org pgpuXgOrtqX0l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [opensuse] Keyboard with buttons
On Tuesday 22 May 2007 20:20, Chris Arnold wrote: Kernel see the strokes and all is well, except, in control center, i do not see where to map the numbers to the buttons. I looked in the keyboard applet and i was able to map the vol buttons in the shortcuts applet. Where exactly do i map the browser buttons to the browser? Thanks again for the help Assuming the kernel has the keys mapped, AND xev shows a valid keysym for each key please check with this: from a terminal konsole on your desktop, enter: xev | grep -i keysym Now, press the key you are interested in and then move your mouse over the xev window and the keysym data should appear in your terminal window. If the key has a valid keysym for the scancode, then no problem. Otherwise you will need to bind a keysym to the scancode with xmodmap. In your home directory you simply create a file called .Xmodmap with the entries you need--- for instance: (these are just examples, yours will be different) keycode 223 = XF86LogOff keycode 233 = XF86Forward keycode 234 = XF86Back etc Then you make them available with: xmodmap .Xmodmap ===please notice the dot in the name You can look at the keysym database /usr/X11R6/X11/XKeysymDB for valid symbols that you can bind. After you add the entries to your .Xmodmap file in your home directory, and run xmodmap .Xmodmap, then test your keysym entries by running the xev experiment again... this time you should see the keycode and the keysym binding. You are now ready to have KDE do something with the keysym bindings. You do this within the Control Center using the following directions: Pull up the appropriate control center panel with : SUSE === Control Center === Regional Accessibility === Hotkeys 1) Create an action group name based on your keyboard... mine is a Dynex internet keyboard... so I just called my new group Dynex. 2) Create an action subgroup under that for Firefox (you can have many groups and subgroups, like one for Thunderbird) 3) Under Firefox create a K-menu Entry simple a) call it search(no quotes) (it will be used to start firefox) b) click keyboard shortcut... and press the button on your keyboard for starting firefox... the keysym bound for that button will fill in the shortcut box... we're almost done c) click menu entry (it will contain the program name) and enter firefox (no quotes) in the field d) click Apply 4) [ let's do another one for the forward button ] 4) Under Firefox group create a Keyboard Shortcut Keyboard Input simple a) call it page forward (no quotes) b) click keyboard shortcut and press the forward multimedia key on your keyboard to fill in the shortcut keysym binding c) click keyboard Input Settings and make the keyboard input Alt+Right and send input to active window d) click Apply Simply repeat these instructions for as many keys as you want to define all 19 keys on my Dynex are configured to do something... keep in mind that these bindings only work while kde is up and running... for instance, I have a key that ejects my cdrom (and also closes it) from the keyboard... but I cannot use that button to open the cdrom door from my black screen consoles... nor does it work in run level 3. Of course the keyboard can be mapped for run level 3 also... but that is another story. Also, the keyboard shortcuts for the apps you are configuring must be known to you... for instance you must know that Alt+Right is the page forward in Firefox. The first few of these you dink around with will be a little confusing, but after you do a couple you'll have the whole keyboard mapped in no time. Caveat: If you're using gnome, consider using KDE just kidding... there is probably a way to do this same thing in gnome... but I don't have a clue how because... I don't use gnome... :) Have lots of fun. -- Kind regards, M Harris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse] Install Subversion RPM
On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 19:32 -0400, Chris Arnold wrote: Hello all! I am running SLED and my end goal is to install Subversion RPM from the opensuse site. When i try to install the opensuse RPM, i get dependency failure: does not find neon-26 and when i try to install neon from opensuse site, it wants to remove openoffice package. How do i get neon installed and then subversion RPM's? Subversion is part of the SDK on SLE platform, take a look at http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/SLES_SDK for more information. -- Why can't humans just reboot instead of sleeping, so much wasted cycles -Zombie Coder. Jonathan Arsenault - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://jarpack.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-packaging] installing / updating / erasing apache2 modules
On 2007-05-21 18:16:00 -0400, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote: Marcus Rueckert escribió: imho the problem is more general. Yes, and I was unableto figure a better solution, that's the reason why I used that. ;) lets say i upgrade apache + modules: %postun in the apache package does: %restart_on_update apache2 now the other modules will be installed. that can already take your server offline. if the apache mmn changes the old modules that are still installed wont be loaded in the newer apache. there is yet another issue with this approach, the restart must be done when the transaction finishes, if I install apache2-mod_php5 it may pull other PHP modules that really needs to be updated **before** restarting. as we cant use rpm transactions (many installer install one rpm per rpm call) we have to use some external script here. and each php module just does %restart_on_update apache2 e.g. aswell. so they trigger a restart of it aswell. [1] which can be picked up by some SuSEconfig script in the end. [1] wasnt it deprecated ? ;) i know we try to minimize the usage of it. you can always bring up a better idea for the problem.;) darix [1] Although this gets a bit tricky. who will restart my php fastcgi init script?;) do we want to have it in the distro at all? -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [opensuse-wiki] litigious account
Rajko M. wrote: BTW, if it is only advertising it was discussed before and considered inappropriate. I wouldn't wait for response to blank page I already blanked the page :-) - I wrote a mail in the case this would be unintentional and set delete template with remark of inappropriate content. as a sysop I can delete the page and will do jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
