Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[Johannes Meixner]

Hello,

On Jun 21 19:17 Dave Howorth wrote (shortened):
> I have an Epson RX620 all-in-one, which works fine on my Suse 9.3 x86-64
> system thanks to Johannes' help last year. I recently installed Suse
> 10.2 x86-64 and now it doesn't work :( 

Did you install openSUSE 10.2 anew from scratch or did you update
your existing Suse Linux 9.3 system?
 
> PRINTER
> 
> It seems to have recognized the printer - YaST and CUPS have an entry
> for it and say "Epson Stylus Photo RX620 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.0
> Simplified". But I can't print anything to it. If I try - e.g. using the
> test facilty in YaST - nothing happens at the printer (no flashing
> light). CUPS says it is "Printer State: processing, accepting jobs,
> published." but also says " stylusphotorx620 (Default Printer) "Printer
> not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...". I've tried stopping and
> restarting the printer with no effect.

What exactly did you do to "stopping and restarting the printer"?
Did you use "cupsenable" to restart the printer?
What does "lpstat -p stylusphotorx620" show?

The "not connected" message indicates that the low-level communication
via USB with the printer doesn't work reliable or doesn't work at all,
see
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell
"The Backends"
What does "lpinfo -v" show?
Is your printer listed by "lsusb"?

See
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell
"If problems are encountered"
how to get debugging information from the cupsd.


> SCANNER
> 
> sane says "no devices available". Again, I haven't found the right
> documentation. I found the page  but it
> doesn't seem to say much and is wrong if I believe the description of
> the iscan package in YaST. Suse 10.2 has installed iscan-firmware but
> not iscan or iscan-free. I don't understand what it should be
> installing.

According to the driver description files all you need
is the iscan-free package, the RX620 doesn't need firmware.

In the YaST scanner config, it is listed as
  Epson Stylus Photo RX620: Driver epkowa (package iscan-free)...
so that the YaST scanner config should install the iscan-free package,
activate the epkowa line in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and then it should work.

If not, see
http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_Scanners_from_SUSE_LINUX_9.2
"USB Cable Connection and Additional USB Hubs"
and
"Trouble-Shooting (Debugging)"



> I [20/Jun/2007:23:04:14 +0100] Setting y2test device-uri to
> "usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%20RX620" (was "file:/dev/null".)
...
> I [20/Jun/2007:23:04:15 +0100] Started
> filter /usr/lib64/cups/filter/pstops (PID 26161) for job 6.
> I [20/Jun/2007:23:04:15 +0100] Started
> filter /usr/lib64/cups/filter/pstoraster (PID 26162) for job 6.
> I [20/Jun/2007:23:04:15 +0100] Started
> filter /usr/lib64/cups/filter/rastertogutenprint.5.0 (PID 26163)
> for job 6.
> I [20/Jun/2007:23:04:15 +0100] Started
> backend /usr/lib64/cups/backend/usb (PID 26164) for job 6.

There are no error messages of interest in this log (it looks o.k.).
Only with the CUPS debug messages (see above) there is a chance
to find out what there is really going on.


Kind Regards
Johannes Meixner
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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

[Richard Creighton]

Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> Richard Creighton wrote:
>   

>> I get the following results:
>> ASUS:/home/rich # dmraid -r
>> /dev/sda: nvidia, "nvidia_baedieei", raid5_ls, ok, 781422766 sectors,
>> data@ 0
>> /dev/sdb: nvidia, "nvidia_baedieei", raid5_ls, ok, 781422766 sectors,
>> data@ 0
>> /dev/sdc: nvidia, "nvidia_baedieei", raid5_ls, ok, 781422766 sectors,
>> data@ 0
>> /dev/sdd: nvidia, "nvidia_baedieei", raid5_ls, ok, 781422766 sectors,
>> data@ 0
>>
>>
>> ASUS:/home/rich # dmraid -ay -i
>> ERROR: device-mapper target type "raid45" not in kernel
>>   
>> 
> It is probably not in your initrd.  BTW, a quick search shows it is
> called raid456.
>
>   


Thank you allthis initiates another hunt but at least there is a
glow at the end of the  tunnel   :)Gosh...I hope that isn't a train!

Richard

PS... I'm 64 years oldI hope I can actually get this solved before
time runs out.   I don't want my epitaph to read "Windoze won!" :)
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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[Richard Bos]

Op Friday 22 June 2007 00:53:18 schreef Pueblo Native:
> While some of these points may have more or less merit to them, the
> first one is a no-starter:
> "There is *already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format
> (ODF)*: a dual standard adds cost to industry, government and citizens;"
>
> Now, I use OO and love it, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that it
> is or should be the ONLY standard out there.  Let a thousand flowers
> bloom and let the consumer decide what they want.  As long as they have
> that power, I'm happy even if they choose Microsoft's OXML format.

So it's better to have 2 different standards definitions for e.g. for speed 
km/h s miles/h - temperature celsius vs fahrenheit, lenght, like: 1 meter and 
1 inch?
Ask NASA about the latter.  Didn't they loose a satelite because the mixed 
meters with inches or something like that.
From this alone one can see that it is better to have 1 standard to be used by 
many applications.  Now this gives total freedom to the customer.


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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 03:21 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:

>  controller built-in to the ASUS motherboard with the 4 SATA drives that
> board can natively control *without* having to use a 5th IDE or external
> drive just to boot the system>

The ultimate goal should be to have the best raid 5 possible with the 
hardware you have ;-p

...

> > It is probably not in your initrd.  BTW, a quick search shows it is
> > called raid456.

> Thank you allthis initiates another hunt but at least there is a
> glow at the end of the  tunnel   :)Gosh...I hope that isn't a train!

Heh, but you can not read the initrd on a raid 5 "before" booting, so the 
goal of not using an extra drive is fooled :-p

However, on a software raid you can, because /boot is left out of the 
raid.

> PS... I'm 64 years oldI hope I can actually get this solved before
> time runs out.   I don't want my epitaph to read "Windoze won!" :)

:-)

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Re: [opensuse] Oo Question

[Russell Jones]

Teruel de Campo MD wrote:

On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 16:21 -0400, Kenneth Schneider wrote:
  

On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 14:36 -0500, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:


Pueblo Native wrote:
  

Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
  


On 06/19/2007 Dave Barton wrote:
  

  

Menu "Insert -> Picture -> Scan"

If you mean OCR directly, the answer is no.

Dave

  


Thanks. I was afraid of that.

  

  

Check out the ocrad package if you want to do OCR.


  


I checked with Yast and did indeed already have ocrad installed. It was
the usual OCR disappointment.

  

I use SimpleOCR running under wine with quite good results. You might
give it a whirl.

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There is another OCR engine. I have not tested it

http://sourceforge.net/projects/tesseract-ocr
  
Google is trying to build on tesseract and other projects in Ocropus 
http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/
No tarballs yet, you need to check it out from Subversion and build it 
to try it out: http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/wiki/GettingStarted

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Re: [opensuse] Crazy Ubuntu, can you believe it??!

[Russell Jones]

Andy Harrison wrote:

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On 6/20/07, Kai Ponte  wrote:



I was thinking of this. What if you have multiple virtual machines or
remote machines running being accessed from each side of the cube?
That would be nice.



If the purpose of the machine is to run multiple virtual machines, it
seems like a bad idea to run what is still basically an experimental
window manager.
Well, yes, in a sense, but if it's not experimented with and bugs 
reported, it'll never get stable will it?

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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[Russell Jones]

Pueblo Native wrote:

Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
  

Pueblo Native wrote:
  


While some of these points may have more or less merit to them, the
first one is a no-starter:
"There is *already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format
(ODF)*: a dual standard adds cost to industry, government and citizens;"

Now, I use OO and love it, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that it
is or should be the ONLY standard out there.  Let a thousand flowers
bloom and let the consumer decide what they want.  As long as they have
that power, I'm happy even if they choose Microsoft's OXML format.
  

  

So as I understand your comment, when it comes to a standard, we should
all have our own?  Or even worse, Microsoft should decide what can and
cannot be in it?  IMO, this OXML is Microsoft's attempt to circumvent
the standard ODF as they cannot compete on a level playing field.  IMHO,
standards are no place for variety.  Let applications compete for how
well they support the standards, but with multiple targets, it only
ensures no (or all) will be hit.  I would rather adhere to one standard,
and as its limits are exposed, to amend the one standard rather than
have 100 so-called standards.  Already signed the petition.

  


Yeah, and I'm sure presenting an internet petition to a standards body
is going to have a whole lot of importance when ISO decides whether or
not to accept Microsoft's standard.  Why stop there?  Why not present
that petition to Microsoft.  I'm sure that once Ballmer sees all those
self-certifying "signatures" he's going to raise his hands in surrender
and announce that Office will only be using Open Document Format.
Technical specs aside, if Microsoft wants to push out its own standard,
well and good.  As long as consumers have the choice that's what it is
about.  Not if Microsoft wins or if OpenOffice wins.
  
It'll have more effect than doing nothing. Also, AIUI, there are 
significant implementation problems-- in that the standard MS proposes 
more or less says "the MS implementation is the definitive standard". 
Fine for MS. A problem for everyone else... essentially the same problem 
MS de facto "standards" usually cause. See

http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20070117145745854
(and 
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20070206145620473 
and
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2007020812133683 
for updates)

Also interesting:
http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=2007022819130536 


http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20070213060422214
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Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[Dave Howorth]

Johannes Meixner wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Jun 21 19:17 Dave Howorth wrote (shortened):
>> I have an Epson RX620 all-in-one, which works fine on my Suse 9.3 x86-64
>> system thanks to Johannes' help last year. I recently installed Suse
>> 10.2 x86-64 and now it doesn't work :( 
> 
> Did you install openSUSE 10.2 anew from scratch or did you update
> your existing Suse Linux 9.3 system?

I did a fresh install of 10.2. I've reused my home directory but all
system directories are clean filesystems. And the printer was switched
on whilst I installed.

>> PRINTER
>>
>> It seems to have recognized the printer - YaST and CUPS have an entry
>> for it and say "Epson Stylus Photo RX620 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.0
>> Simplified". But I can't print anything to it. If I try - e.g. using the
>> test facilty in YaST - nothing happens at the printer (no flashing
>> light). CUPS says it is "Printer State: processing, accepting jobs,
>> published." but also says " stylusphotorx620 (Default Printer) "Printer
>> not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...". I've tried stopping and
>> restarting the printer with no effect.
> 
> What exactly did you do to "stopping and restarting the printer"?

I used the CUPS web admin system.

> Did you use "cupsenable" to restart the printer?
> What does "lpstat -p stylusphotorx620" show?

I'm not at home now. I'll get specific answers this evening.

> The "not connected" message indicates that the low-level communication
> via USB with the printer doesn't work reliable or doesn't work at all,
> see
> http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell
> "The Backends"
> What does "lpinfo -v" show?
> Is your printer listed by "lsusb"?

lsusb does not show the printer, but does show other USB devices, which
are working. If the USB link to the printer isn't working, why don't
YaST tests pick it up and tell me? Why do they even bother to try to
send a test page?

> See
> http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:CUPS_in_a_Nutshell
> "If problems are encountered"
> how to get debugging information from the cupsd.

I'll check your specific questions this evening and hopefully using the
results and the URLs you gave, I'll be able to diagnose it.

>> SCANNER
>>
>> sane says "no devices available". Again, I haven't found the right
>> documentation. I found the page  but it
>> doesn't seem to say much and is wrong if I believe the description of
>> the iscan package in YaST. Suse 10.2 has installed iscan-firmware but
>> not iscan or iscan-free. I don't understand what it should be
>> installing.
> 
> According to the driver description files all you need
> is the iscan-free package, the RX620 doesn't need firmware.

That was my reading too. So why has it installed iscan-firmware? It
clearly recognized an Epson RX620 because it configured the printer. In
which case, why didn't it install iscan or iscan-free?

> In the YaST scanner config, it is listed as
>   Epson Stylus Photo RX620: Driver epkowa (package iscan-free)...
> so that the YaST scanner config should install the iscan-free package,
> activate the epkowa line in /etc/sane.d/dll.conf and then it should work.

OK, I'll try this.

> If not, see
> http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_Scanners_from_SUSE_LINUX_9.2
> "USB Cable Connection and Additional USB Hubs"
> and
> "Trouble-Shooting (Debugging)"

And I'll probably try this :) :(

>> I [20/Jun/2007:23:04:14 +0100] Setting y2test device-uri to
>> "usb://EPSON/Stylus%20Photo%20RX620" (was "file:/dev/null".)
> ...
> There are no error messages of interest in this log (it looks o.k.).
> Only with the CUPS debug messages (see above) there is a chance
> to find out what there is really going on.

Thanks for the confirmation. I'll run the other checks tonight.

Thanks for your help, Johannes.

Cheers, Dave
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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[john . janmaat]

Quoting Richard Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


So it's better to have 2 different standards definitions for e.g. for speed
km/h s miles/h - temperature celsius vs fahrenheit, lenght, like: 1 meter and
1 inch?
Ask NASA about the latter.  Didn't they loose a satelite because the mixed
meters with inches or something like that.
From this alone one can see that it is better to have 1 standard to   
be used by

many applications.  Now this gives total freedom to the customer.


If Microsoft is willing to commit to a standard, and therefore not  
change the format in which documents are saved without first getting  
ISO approval for the changes, great!  Microsoft may get to claim to be  
the originator of the standard, but I expect it will not be able to  
change that standard quite so easily if it is ISO recognized.   
Remember that one of Microsoft's biggest advantages is that it  
develops its own standard and then continually changes it, thus making  
it difficult for people not using Microsoft products to share files,  
view media on the net, etc.  With an established standard that  
Microsoft agrees to adhere to, everybody is, in the long run, better  
off.


John.




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[opensuse] [bug] GTK+ file selector freeze - [bug] Firefox spellchecking in French environment

[Christophe Osuna]

I am sorry to send bug reports on this mailing-list instead of using
Novell Bugzilla, but the latter requires creating an account and
leaving personal data that I am reluctant to give.

Product: openSUSE 10.2
Severity: major
Reproducible: always
Summary: GTK+ file selectory freezes when running an application with
an user that does not own the current GNOME session
Details:
Steps to reproduce the bug:
  1. Log in with a GNOME session (only GNOME is affected)
  2. Open a GTK+ application as another user (for instance open
"gedit" as root)
  3. Open the GTK+ file selector ("File->Open" or "File->Save as...")
  4. The application will freeze then.


Product: openSUSE 10.2
Severity: minor
Reproducible: always
Summary: Mozilla Firefox uses an English dictionary to check spelling
in a French environment
Details:
This is a small annoyance: even in a French environment Mozilla
Firefox uses an English dictionary to check spelling in the text
areas. It probably affects all non-English environments.
Possible solutions: either use an appropriate dictionary or disable spelling.
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Re: [opensuse] Crazy Ubuntu, can you believe it??!

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On 6/22/07, Russell Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, yes, in a sense, but if it's not experimented with and bugs
reported, it'll never get stable will it?


You're missing the point.  If it's a machine that's running multiple
vm's, then the chances are pretty good that it's a production machine.
Not the place for experimental software.

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Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[Dave Howorth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu 21 June 2007 20:17, Dave Howorth wrote:
>> I have an Epson RX620 all-in-one, which works fine on my Suse 9.3 x86-64
> 
> I always get these Dirivers from Epson's Linux support site.
> 
> http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_spc.html
> 
> All mine worked so far

Yeah, that's what I've had to do in the past and after some messing
around, it works. But AFAIK, Suse 10.2 should be able to recognize and
configure the device without having to mess around with software from
the Epson-site-that-Epson-won't-have-anything-to-do-with (a.k.a. avasys).

So I'll perservere with Johannes' help and hopefully get it working. If
not, I may need to go to avasys after all :(

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Re: [opensuse] Variables and Input Fields - It's an openSuSE OO bug

[Lívio Cipriano]

On 21 June 2007 23:56, Lívio Cipriano wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using OO 2.2.1 - from openSuSE 10.2 - and my first experience with
> these field is not going well.
>
> I've a Writer document, where I introduced a Variable Field, hidden, after,
> an Input Field, to update the Variable Field, and after I've a Show
> Variable Field, to the same Variable. Each time that I try to update the
> Input Field, OO crashes. What I'm doing wrong?
>
> Even stranger, in the same Windows version, they work perfetly.
>
> --
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> Lívio Cipriano

It's a bug from the the OpenSuSE version. Tye original hasn't.

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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[Michael Skiba]

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Am Freitag, 22. Juni 2007 11:30 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> If Microsoft is willing to commit to a standard, and therefore not
> change the format in which documents are saved without first getting
> ISO approval for the changes, great!  Microsoft may get to claim to be
> the originator of the standard, but I expect it will not be able to
> change that standard quite so easily if it is ISO recognized.
> Remember that one of Microsoft's biggest advantages is that it
> develops its own standard and then continually changes it, thus making
> it difficult for people not using Microsoft products to share files,
> view media on the net, etc.  With an established standard that
> Microsoft agrees to adhere to, everybody is, in the long run, better
> off.
But only if this standart is open, and accessable for all - and that's one of 
my basic question, what does it mean if it becomes a standard? 
A standard that is only useable with microsoft products(and if you try reverse 
engeenierign you get sued for it) or is it a specification, which 
is "transparent" and can be implemented in any software I want(i.e. OOo).

In the first case I clearly gotta say no! In the second case, why not?
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[opensuse] kRadio on Suse 10.2

[John]

I am trying to run KRadio (various versions, but
snapshot_2006_11_12_r497-1.suse10.2.x86_64 at the moment), on Suse 10.2
x86_64 and it seems to install OK, and even startup OK, but when
scanning for channels I get no signal. I have a Medion hybrid TV
(Analog/DTV/FM) card based on the saa7134 chipset, detected as:

pc:/home/john # dmesg|grep saa7134
saa7134[0]: found at :07:09.0, rev: 1, irq: 90, latency: 32, mmio:
0xdf5ff000
saa7134[0]: subsystem: 16be:0003, board: Medion 7134 [card=12,autodetected]
saa7134[0]: board init: gpio is 0
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 00: be 16 03 00 54 20 1c 00 43 43 a9 1c 55 d2 b2 92
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 10: 00 ff 86 0f ff 20 ff 00 01 50 32 79 01 3c ca 50
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 20: 01 40 01 02 02 03 01 00 06 ff 00 1f 02 51 96 2b
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 30: a7 58 7a 1f 03 8e 84 5e da 7a 04 b3 05 87 b2 3c
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 40: ff 1d 00 c2 86 10 01 01 00 00 fd 79 44 9f c2 8f
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 50: ff ff ff ff ff ff 06 06 0f 00 0f 00 0f 00 0f 00
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 60: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
saa7134[0]: i2c eeprom 70: ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff
saa7134[0] Board has DVB-T
saa7134[0] Tuner type is 63
tuner 0-0061: chip found @ 0xc2 (saa7134[0])
saa7134[0]: registered device video0 [v4l2]
saa7134[0]: registered device vbi0
saa7134[0]: registered device radio0

Has 2x aerial inputs, and have tried connecting to both and scanning.
DTV and Analog TV both work fine. Anybody have any suggestions for me to
try?? Have tried various other card/tuner types (but not all!!)
Have tried searching for any kradio/relevant TV card forums, without
success :-(

Thanks, in anticipation!



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Re: [opensuse] KDAR Speed?

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Thursday 2007-06-21 at 12:41 -0700, Robert Smits wrote:

> I'm presently using KDAR to back up my sound file collection to an archive on 
> a USB (2.0) drive. 
> 
> Kdar is taking a VERRRY long time to do this. It's true the collection is 250 
> GB or so, but it's been running since midnight and it's only at 22%. 

I find ?dar slow even on an internal hard disk. 

I would run the backup in an internal HD, then copy it over to the 
external drive; as you can limit the slice size in dar, and run a script 
on completion of each slice, you can use that to move over each completed 
slice to the usb drive, and thus you wouldn't need 250 GB free on your 
internal drive.

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Re: [opensuse] Crazy Ubuntu, can you believe it??!

[Russell Jones]

Andy Harrison wrote:

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On 6/22/07, Russell Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Well, yes, in a sense, but if it's not experimented with and bugs
reported, it'll never get stable will it?

You're missing the point.  If it's a machine that's running multiple
vm's, then the chances are pretty good that it's a production machine.
Not the place for experimental software.
Um, quite right, it's not the place. But who suggested running it on a 
production machine? Why should running VMs mean it's a production 
server? Xen is OSS, for instance, and I think some VMWare products are 
free to use for educational purposes.

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[opensuse] raid question

[Lorenzo Cerini]

Hi all,
i have a little trouble with a software raid1 array.
i built it with opensuse10.0.

Now one disks left the array giving me the (F) of failure for one partition.
here is the cat /proc/mdstat:

Personalities : [raid1]
md1 : active raid1 sda3[0]
 129017920 blocks [2/1] [U_]

md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2](F) sda1[0]
 26217984 blocks [2/1] [U_]

I ma quite far from this server location, so i need to know:
how much fair is to assume disks is not broker and just use 'badblocks -f'?

and if i want to replace it which is the easiest way ?
i partition here the new disk (maybe with fdisk, but do not know the
way to have the disk raid formatted with id=fd), replace the old one,
and then use raidhotadd, or, if the new disk will get anyway the /dev/sdb 
identifier,
the kernel will do it for me at boot time.

Thank in advance,
L.Cerini

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Re: [opensuse] synchronizing 2 folders

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 12:53 +0700, Fajar Priyanto wrote:

> 2. But if you want to provide a backup function too, so that if anything 
> happens in folder1, there is a backup available in folder2, you can use 
> rsync:
> rsync -a /home/hans/folder1 /home/hans/folder2

And --del

> And put that command in crontab for to be running say.. 3 minutes.

I wonder if there would be an easy way using 'famd' instead.

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Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[Johannes Meixner]

Hello,

On Jun 22 11:00 Dave Howorth wrote (shortened):
> lsusb does not show the printer

As long as "lsusb" does not show your USB printer,
there is no communication possible to it via USB.

Therefore it looks as if the problem is a low-level
USB problem.

See what "dmesg | grep -i usb" results.
Perhaps there are kernel error messages regarding USB?
Perhaps it was recognized first (e.g. directly after booting)
but then for whatever reason it is no longer available via USB
(e.g. communication may break when real amount of data is to
to be sent via USB to this device).

Sometimes it might help to unplug/re-plug it and/or
to use another USB slot preferably one directly at the
computer i.e. without additional USB hubs or whatever
additional USB device (e.g. a USB keyboard) in between.

And preferably use a short USB cable.


Kind Regards
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Re: [opensuse] SpamAssassin missfiring.

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Thursday 2007-06-21 at 16:48 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

> > Now, the culprit seems to be "RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED". What on earth is
> > that? My method to learn a bit more is to grep for the token, via
> > "grep RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED  /usr/share/spamassassin/*", and what I got
> > is this:
> 
> I've also seen that rule fire once or twice recently too.  Whether you
> use it or not depends quite a bit on how much you trust the
> bonded-sender guys. 

Yep.

- From a cursory glance at their site they seem to make a score for 
"senders", but I don't know who is a "sender": the from address, the 
sending server (the first of the chain), or what.

The thing is that SA comes with many rules enabled by default whose 
policies I don't even know, and which sometimes I came to strongly 
distrust and disable - after the "damage". And the SuSE/Novell folks 
don't seem to do a good review of those rules.


> > Interestingly, spamassassin is so inconsistent that only the German
> > version contains a web link. It appears that failures can be reported,
> > but I don't know "who" is marked as trusted in that email.
> 
> spamassassin is an apache project, you just use their bugzilla.

No, I meant the www.bondedsender.org people, they have an email for 
reports ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). But I'm not a client of them, I 
don't know who is the sender, etc. Too many doubts, and reading their site 
I'm not clear on them.


> > Two questions:
> > 
> > How do I know which of the several received headers is considered
> > "trusty"?
> 
> You'll have to run the addresses through the test manually - I think. 
> Or maybe run the mail through spamassassin with debug on.


Possibly...

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> spamassassin -D < spam 2> spamlog

Now, the "spamlog" file has 431 lines. There is only one with 
"RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED", at the very end:

[31642] dbg: check: 
tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FROM_EXCESS_BASE64,HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_MISSING_CTYPE,HTML_TAG_BALANCE_BODY,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,RCVD_IN_BSP_TRUSTED,SUBJECT_EXCESS_BASE64
[31642] dbg: check: 
subtests=__CT,__CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY,__CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT,__ENV_AND_HDR_FROM_MATCH,__FROM_ENCODED_B64,__HAS_MSGID,__HAS_RCVD,__HAS_SUBJECT,__MIME_VERSION,__MSGID_OK_DIGITS,__MSGID_OK_HOST,__NONEMPTY_BODY,__RATWARE_0_TZ_DATE,__SANE_MSGID,__SUBJECT_ENCODED_B64,__TAG_EXISTS_BODY,__TAG_EXISTS_HEAD,__TAG_EXISTS_HTML,__TAG_EXISTS_META,__TOCC_EXISTS


Which is Chinese, ie, Greek, to me. Let me see... It might be this one:


[31642] dbg: dns: checking RBL sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org., set sblxbl
[31642] dbg: dns: IPs found: full-external: 10.20.102.201, 87.245.192.62, 
10.10.111.24 untrusted: 87.245.192.62 originating: 
[31642] dbg: dns: only inspecting the following IPs: 87.245.192.62
[31642] dbg: dns: checking RBL sa-other.bondedsender.org., set bsp-untrusted
[31642] dbg: dns: IPs found: full-external: 10.20.102.201, 87.245.192.62, 
10.10.111.24 untrusted: 87.245.192.62 originating: 
[31642] dbg: dns: only inspecting the following IPs: 
[31642] dbg: dns: checking RBL combined.njabl.org., set njabl-lastexternal
[31642] dbg: dns: IPs found: full-external: 10.20.102.201, 87.245.192.62, 
10.10.111.24 untrusted: 87.245.192.62 originating: 
[31642] dbg: dns: only inspecting the following IPs: 87.245.192.62


Now, which are the IPs, the line before "sa-other.bondedsender.org.", or 
the line after? I guess it means 87.245.192.62, which "host" says it 
belongs to "cluster.monopost.com", and that's the first received line. 
Actually, the second:

Received: from cluster.monopost.com (87.245.192.62) by 
ctsmtpmx1.frontal.correo (7.2.056.6)
id 46769531000F0D4E for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:04:49 
+0200
Received: from [10.10.111.24] (HELO mail.mlan)
  by cluster.monopost.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9)
  with SMTP id 129056509 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:04:47 +0100
Received: by mail.mlan (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 19 Jun 2007 20:04:47 
+


No, the third one (bottom up).

It shouldn't be so difficult, SA should report this explicitly :-(



> > Now, where do spamassassin document the rationale for choosing a
> > particular test, how and when to use it, etc?  
> 
> A lot of it is done with statistics and checking the spamassassin
> collections of spam/ham (corpi).


I know, but first they have to decide to include a particular test. And 
you know statistics... the bosses love them, but they are meaningless.

   (here, they do polls to say who is going to gain so many parliament 
   members on the next election: depending on who pays the forecast, the 
   result is one or the contrary. Even measurement statistics are very 
   inaccurate.)



> > It doesn't seem to me to be that reliable. 
> > It is not the first time I have had to disable a 
> > particular SA test. :-/
> 
> You can't really blame SA for this one - it probably is fairly
> reasonable to trust the bonded-sender guys.  


I don't know.

In fact, I don't think so.

How can SA (or any program) 

Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

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On Fri 22 June 2007 12:04, Dave Howorth wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > On Thu 21 June 2007 20:17, Dave Howorth wrote:
> >> I have an Epson RX620 all-in-one, which works fine on my Suse 9.3 x86-64
> >
> > I always get these Dirivers from Epson's Linux support site.
> >
> > http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_spc.html
> >
> > All mine worked so far
>
> Yeah, that's what I've had to do in the past and after some messing
> around, it works. But AFAIK, Suse 10.2 should be able to recognize and
> configure the device without having to mess around with software from
> the Epson-site-that-Epson-won't-have-anything-to-do-with (a.k.a. avasys).

who cares, they work ...
>
> So I'll perservere with Johannes' help and hopefully get it working. If
> not, I may need to go to avasys after all :(
>
> Cheers, Dave

Sure OpenSUSE 10.2 did see my Epson AcuLaser C1100 and the new Epson 
Perfection V100 Photo because they are USB, but the installation of the two 
RPM's is easy. It delivers the *.ppd files needed., and a normal YaST 
installation over Hardware - Printer works by selecting the *.PPD after the 
RPM's are installed. I even print to it over a network. The most difficult 
was CUPS workstations communicating to a CUPS Server where the printer was 
installed on. As a Samba-SMB printer all OpnSUSE workstations and XP's can 
print to it with SMB, but CUPS causes the most problems, as far as I 
experienced.

:-)
Al
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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[James Knott]

Richard Bos wrote:
> Op Friday 22 June 2007 00:53:18 schreef Pueblo Native:
>   
>> While some of these points may have more or less merit to them, the
>> first one is a no-starter:
>> "There is *already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format
>> (ODF)*: a dual standard adds cost to industry, government and citizens;"
>>
>> Now, I use OO and love it, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that it
>> is or should be the ONLY standard out there.  Let a thousand flowers
>> bloom and let the consumer decide what they want.  As long as they have
>> that power, I'm happy even if they choose Microsoft's OXML format.
>> 
>
> So it's better to have 2 different standards definitions for e.g. for speed 
> km/h s miles/h - temperature celsius vs fahrenheit, lenght, like: 1 meter and 
> 1 inch?
> Ask NASA about the latter.  Didn't they loose a satelite because the mixed 
> meters with inches or something like that.
> From this alone one can see that it is better to have 1 standard to be used 
> by 
> many applications.  Now this gives total freedom to the customer.
>
>
>   
Don't forget that MS was on the ODF committee and was asked to
participate.  They declined.  If they had participated they could have
helped to ensure it included what they needed.  Also, IIRC, XML is
extensible, so if something is missing, it shouldn't be too hard to add it.



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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[john . janmaat]

Quoting Michael Skiba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


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Am Freitag, 22. Juni 2007 11:30 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

If Microsoft is willing to commit to a standard, and therefore not
change the format in which documents are saved without first getting
ISO approval for the changes, great!  Microsoft may get to claim to be
the originator of the standard, but I expect it will not be able to
change that standard quite so easily if it is ISO recognized.
Remember that one of Microsoft's biggest advantages is that it
develops its own standard and then continually changes it, thus making
it difficult for people not using Microsoft products to share files,
view media on the net, etc.  With an established standard that
Microsoft agrees to adhere to, everybody is, in the long run, better
off.

But only if this standart is open, and accessable for all - and that's one of
my basic question, what does it mean if it becomes a standard?
A standard that is only useable with microsoft products(and if you   
try reverse

engeenierign you get sued for it) or is it a specification, which
is "transparent" and can be implemented in any software I want(i.e. OOo).

In the first case I clearly gotta say no! In the second case, why not?


I guess I am implicitly assuming that if it is an ISO certified  
standard, it must be open.  It would be rather strange to say that the  
ISO weight measure is the gram, but only I can tell you whether or not  
something weighs a gram.  A propriety, secret ISO standard is a bit  
silly.  I'd suggest that someone who knows more about the ISO could  
comment on that.


John.


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Re: [opensuse] raid question

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 12:40 +0200, Lorenzo Cerini wrote:

> Hi all,
> i have a little trouble with a software raid1 array.
> i built it with opensuse10.0.
> 
> Now one disks left the array giving me the (F) of failure for one partition.
> here is the cat /proc/mdstat:
...
> I ma quite far from this server location, so i need to know:
> how much fair is to assume disks is not broker and just use 'badblocks -f'?
> 
> and if i want to replace it which is the easiest way ?


Be aware that software raid will remove a disk for a simple "glitch", a 
temporary failure. Just scan the logs for errors, check the drive (smart 
tests), etc. An attemt to write to a badblock would show on the log.

Then re-enable the disk, and watch it.

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Re: [opensuse] synchronizing 2 folders

[James Knott]

Hans Linux wrote:
> I need to synchronize the content of folders. Lets say I have 2 folders :
>
> - /home/hans/folder1
> - /home/hans/folder2
>
> Everytime I change something in folder1 like remove a file, create a
> file etc, folder2 will automatically be synchronized at once. how do i
> do that?
>   
You could create a link from one folder to the other.  That way, you
have one folder appearing as two.

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Re: [opensuse] raid question

[Fajar Priyanto]

On Friday 22 June 2007 17:40, Lorenzo Cerini wrote:
> Hi all,
> i have a little trouble with a software raid1 array.
> i built it with opensuse10.0.
>
> Now one disks left the array giving me the (F) of failure for one
> partition. here is the cat /proc/mdstat:
>
>  Personalities : [raid1]
> md1 : active raid1 sda3[0]
>   129017920 blocks [2/1] [U_]
>
> md0 : active raid1 sdb1[2](F) sda1[0]
>   26217984 blocks [2/1] [U_]
>
> I ma quite far from this server location, so i need to know:
> how much fair is to assume disks is not broker and just use 'badblocks -f'?
>
> and if i want to replace it which is the easiest way ?
> i partition here the new disk (maybe with fdisk, but do not know the
> way to have the disk raid formatted with id=fd), replace the old one,
> and then use raidhotadd, or, if the new disk will get anyway the /dev/sdb
> identifier, the kernel will do it for me at boot time.

Hello Lorenzo,
It seems like your raid arrays are in a pretty bad state.
/dev/md1 is broken, and /dev/md0 is too.

Here's a suggestion on how to troubleshoot it:
1. If you have some important data on that server, back it up first to a safe 
location other than the above mentioned server. Using scp, rsync, anything.
2. You can try to build the array one by one:
For /dev/md1:
mdadm /dev/md1 -a /dev/sdb3 (assuming the broken pair is sdb3)

For /dev/md0:
Remove the F member first:
mdadm /dev/md0 -r /dev/sdb1
Add it again:
mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sdb1

For preparing the new disk, please take note the current partition scheme from 
the server, fdisk -l /dev/sda, fdisk -l /dev/sdb. You must make the partition 
on the new disk EXACTLY like the real one.
Then partition Using fdisk, for example sdb:
fdisk /dev/sdb
n (new)
primary partition (1-4)
First cylinder: (just enter)
Last cylinder: +1000M (1GB)
Repeat for other partitions.

Then, change the type of the partition as software raid:
t
L (for list of codes)
fd (software raid)
Repeat for other partitions

w (save)

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# fdisk /dev/hda

The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 4865.
There is nothing wrong with that, but this is larger than 1024,
and could in certain setups cause problems with:
1) software that runs at boot time (e.g., old versions of LILO)
2) booting and partitioning software from other OSs
   (e.g., DOS FDISK, OS/2 FDISK)

Command (m for help): m
Command action
   a   toggle a bootable flag
   b   edit bsd disklabel
   c   toggle the dos compatibility flag
   d   delete a partition
   l   list known partition types
   m   print this menu
   n   add a new partition
   o   create a new empty DOS partition table
   p   print the partition table
   q   quit without saving changes
   s   create a new empty Sun disklabel
   t   change a partition's system id
   u   change display/entry units
   v   verify the partition table
   w   write table to disk and exit
   x   extra functionality (experts only)

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1   2   16033+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2   31177 9438187+  83  Linux
/dev/hda311781488 2498107+  83  Linux
/dev/hda41489486527125752+   5  Extended
/dev/hda514891814 2618563+  83  Linux
/dev/hda618151945 1052226   83  Linux
/dev/hda719462059  915673+  82  Linux swap
/dev/hda820602075  128488+  83  Linux
/dev/hda920762792 5759271   83  Linux
/dev/hda10   27933002 1686793+  83  Linux
/dev/hda11   3003482914675346   83  Linux
/dev/hda12   48304832   24066   83  Linux

Command (m for help): v
539838 unallocated sectors

Command (m for help): n
First cylinder (4833-4865, default 4833): 
Using default value 4833
Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (4833-4865, default 4865): +50M

Command (m for help): p

Disk /dev/hda: 40.0 GB, 40020664320 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4865 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1   2   16033+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2   31177 9438187+  83  Linux
/dev/hda311781488 2498107+  83  Linux
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Re: [opensuse] synchronizing 2 folders

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 07:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:

> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> >
> > > And put that command in crontab for to be running say.. 3 minutes.
> >
> > I wonder if there would be an easy way using 'famd' instead.
> >
> What's "famd"?

RTFM ;-)

Sorry, couldn't resist. O:-)

] DESCRIPTION
]
] FAM, the File Alteration Monitor, is a subsystem that applications 
]   can use to be notified when specific files or directories are changed.  
]   It is intended as a replacement for mechanisms such as poll and 
]   select.
]
]   FAM comes in two parts: famd, the daemon that listens for requests 
]   and provides notifications, and libfam a library that client 
]   applications can use to communicate with FAM.  For further information 
]   on libfam, see the fam(3) manual page.

It is running on suse systems by default.

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Re: [opensuse] synchronizing 2 folders

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> > And put that command in crontab for to be running say.. 3 minutes.
>
> I wonder if there would be an easy way using 'famd' instead.
>
What's "famd"?
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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[James Knott]

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>
> If Microsoft is willing to commit to a standard, and therefore not
> change the format in which documents are saved without first getting
> ISO approval for the changes, great!  Microsoft may get to claim to be
> the originator of the standard, but I expect it will not be able to
> change that standard quite so easily if it is ISO recognized. 
> Remember that one of Microsoft's biggest advantages is that it
> develops its own standard and then continually changes it, thus making
> it difficult for people not using Microsoft products to share files,
> view media on the net, etc.

It also forces upgrades it the latest version.


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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

[Richard Creighton]

Carlos E. R. wrote:
>
> The Friday 2007-06-22 at 03:21 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
>
> >  > controller built-in to the ASUS motherboard with the 4 SATA drives that
> > board can natively control *without* having to use a 5th IDE or external
> > drive just to boot the system>
>
> The ultimate goal should be to have the best raid 5 possible with the
> hardware you have ;-p
>


...I did.   In fact, in order to get the 5th drive to run my tests, I
had to cannibalize an older RedHat system that is 'wounded' because  I
lost a cpu fan and damaged the cpu chip.   I was going to replace the MB
in that system at some point but now, I may also be short a drive having
had to use it in what I thought was ample hardware;  A new ASUS system
MB with 4 SATA drives and with a so-called hardware raid controller
built-in to the MB.   As it turns out, that controller is a 'fake-raid'
which borrows cpu cycles but still, with the hardware I had, under
Windoze, the configuration would have worked (demonstrated), but I
refuse to contaminate my system with that OS and I believe anything
Windoze can do, Linux can (or should) be able to do better.   So far
(and until now), my belief in Linux has been vindicated and there has
been nothing I have needed or wanted to  do that Linux hasn't been able
to do.   I would hate to go to my grave with Windoze doing something
that Linux cannot for simple want of a proper driver or a few magic
incantations in some config file made by someone a lot smarter than I am
during installation.   I should not have to cannibalize old hardware to
make my favorite OS do what my most reviled OS can do.   I used to teach
OS theory in a local college before my stroke took away much of  my
mental abilities and left  me struggling at times to remember even how
to turn the darn thing on,.   I am hoping that someone out there has the
answer.I read an article (referring to Umbuntu if I remember
correctly) which explained how to do it in that distribution
successfully, but I prefer SUSE and would rather what I consider a
superior distribution overall add this feature rather than that I should
have to digress to what I consider a slightly lesser distro (but still
*infinitely* preferable to anything Microsoft makes).  I know it can be
done in other distros, or so I am lead to believe it has been
successfully done, so I am looking to make it happen with SUSE.

Thanks,
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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Stevens]

On Friday 22 June 2007 07:03, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
> running under 10.2?
> It crashes with a double seg error.
> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.

I'm running version 4.0.2735 of Jan 30, 2007. Not sure if that's the 
current version but it works great on my Suse 10.2.

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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

[Kenneth Schneider]

On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 07:46 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
> 
> Carlos E. R. wrote:
> >
> > The Friday 2007-06-22 at 03:21 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:
> >
> > >  > > controller built-in to the ASUS motherboard with the 4 SATA drives that
> > > board can natively control *without* having to use a 5th IDE or external
> > > drive just to boot the system>
> >
> > The ultimate goal should be to have the best raid 5 possible with the
> > hardware you have ;-p
> >
> 
> 
> ...I did.   In fact, in order to get the 5th drive to run my tests, I
> had to cannibalize an older RedHat system that is 'wounded' because  I
> lost a cpu fan and damaged the cpu chip.   I was going to replace the MB
> in that system at some point but now, I may also be short a drive having
> had to use it in what I thought was ample hardware;  A new ASUS system
> MB with 4 SATA drives and with a so-called hardware raid controller
> built-in to the MB.   As it turns out, that controller is a 'fake-raid'
> which borrows cpu cycles but still, with the hardware I had, under
> Windoze, the configuration would have worked (demonstrated), but I
> refuse to contaminate my system with that OS and I believe anything
> Windoze can do, Linux can (or should) be able to do better.

You are right that linux _should_ be able to do that same things that
windows does. The problem is the  s l o w  adoption by the hardware
providers in providing *proper* drivers for their hardware, like ATI and
Nvidia are trying to do. This will not happen until they get together
with the kernel developers to come up with a solution.

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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Clayton]

Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
running under 10.2?
It crashes with a double seg error.
With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.


I've had no trouble at all getting it to work in 10.2 (32bit).  I
simply downloaded and installed... no hacks required.  I am not
running the latest kernel, but there has been at least one Kernel
update that I have applied since installing 10.2.

So... no solution, but at least a confirmation that the latest
GoogleEarth works fine on my 10.2.

C.
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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Pueblo Native]

Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
> running under 10.2?
> It crashes with a double seg error.
> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>   

Works fine for me.  When exactly does it crash?

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Re: [opensuse] raid question

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 13:59 +0200, Lorenzo Cerini wrote:

> So, maybe it is better if i re-enable the disk and see what happens.
> There is no trouble about data-loss, since we regularly beckup everithing
> useful at midnight.

Just have a look at the logs first.

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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 07:46 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:

> > The ultimate goal should be to have the best raid 5 possible with the
> > hardware you have ;-p
> >
> 
> 
> ...I did.   In fact, in order to get the 5th drive to run my tests, I
> had to cannibalize an older RedHat system that is 'wounded' because  I
> lost a cpu fan and damaged the cpu chip.   I was going to replace the MB
> in that system at some point but now, I may also be short a drive having
> had to use it in what I thought was ample hardware;  A new ASUS system
> MB with 4 SATA drives and with a so-called hardware raid controller
> built-in to the MB.   As it turns out, that controller is a 'fake-raid'
> which borrows cpu cycles but still, with the hardware I had, under
> Windoze, the configuration would have worked (demonstrated), but I
> refuse to contaminate my system with that OS and I believe anything
> Windoze can do, Linux can (or should) be able to do better.   


Thus, use software raid in linux, which also works out of the box. No need 
to use the fake-raid drivers, and has probably the same speed, and decidly
better support and compatibility.

I don't see any advantage in using the fake raid method, except using 
windows - and you aren't, so why go the difficult road?

With software raid you do not need an extra drive, just a plain /boot 
partition replicated on all disks. I'm almost sure it is documented 
somewhere.


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[opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Daniel Feiglin]

Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
running under 10.2?
It crashes with a double seg error.
With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 08:24 -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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Please, trim your emails of extra unneded lines...

> I guess I am implicitly assuming that if it is an ISO certified standard, it
> must be open. 

Not necesarily.

In many cases, you have got to pay, and not a little, in order to get a 
copy of an standard and use it (even patent fees). That may be reason 
enough for some companies not to adhere to them explicitly.

It depends on the organization, I suppose.


Some info here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization#ISO_document_copyright

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardization
...
] Standards can be de facto, which means they are followed for 
] convenience, or de jure, which means they are used because of (more or 
] less) legally binding contracts and documents. Government agencies often 
] have to follow standards issued by official standardization 
] organizations. Following such standards can also be a prerequisite for 
] doing business on certain markets, with certain companies, or within 
] certain consortia.
]
] A standard can be open or proprietary.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_standard

] An Open standard is a standard that is publicly available and has 
] various rights to use associated with it.
]
] The terms "open" and "standard" have a wide range of meanings associated 
] with their usage. The term "open" is sometimes restricted to 
] royalty-free technologies while the term "standard" is sometimes 
] restricted to technologies approved by formalized committees that are 
] open to participation by all interested parties and operate on a 
] consensus basis.
]
] Some definitions of the term "open standard" permit patent holders to 
] impose "reasonable and non-discriminatory" royalty fees and other 
] licensing terms on implementers and/or users of the standard. For 
] example, the rules for standards published by the major internationally 
] recognized standards bodies such as the ITU, ISO, and IEC permit 
] requiring patent licensing fees for implementation. However, the 
] definitions of the European Union and Danish government forbid open 
] standards to require fees for use. Permitting such license fees is 
] controversial, because these tend to forbid implementation as free/open 
] source software and discriminate against those who do not hold those 
] patents. Many definitions of the term "open standard" specifically 
] forbid any such fees.

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Re: [opensuse] raid question

[Lorenzo Cerini]

So, maybe it is better if i re-enable the disk and see what happens.
There is no trouble about data-loss, since we regularly beckup everithing
useful at midnight.
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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 12:40 +0200, Lorenzo Cerini wrote:

  

Hi all,
i have a little trouble with a software raid1 array.
i built it with opensuse10.0.

Now one disks left the array giving me the (F) of failure for one partition.
here is the cat /proc/mdstat:


...
  

I ma quite far from this server location, so i need to know:
how much fair is to assume disks is not broker and just use 'badblocks -f'?

and if i want to replace it which is the easiest way ?




Be aware that software raid will remove a disk for a simple "glitch", a 
temporary failure. Just scan the logs for errors, check the drive (smart 
tests), etc. An attemt to write to a badblock would show on the log.


Then re-enable the disk, and watch it.

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[opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[Jonathan Arnold]

Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
> Thu, 21 Jun 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
>> Kenneth Schneider wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 11:00 +0100, Robert Best wrote:
>> It is a Speedtouch ADSL modem. Don't know about firewall
>> capabilities.
>>> The "firewall capabilities" used by most of these modems is called NAT
>>> which stands for Network Address Translation ( there are other features
>>> available ). What this basically does is prevent an outside connection
>>> to an inside PC because there is no direct access via an outside IP
>>> address to an internal IP address. When you request an outside
>>> connection, lets say a connection to a web site, the modem automagically
>>> provides a temporary connection for you and drops it when the request
>>> has ended ( the web page has been loaded ).
>> Yes, exactly. I've never understood the Wild Eyed(tm) insistence on a
>> firewall, as I imagine there very few installations where a user's computer
>> is directly on the Internet these days. I always  run behind a router,
>> and thus don't need a firewall. If you have your cable modem plugged
>> into a switch or router (ie, if your computer is on a 192.168 network),
>> you don't need a firewall. And yet I can't get Windows to stop complaining
>> about the fact I don't have the firewall turned on.
> 
> My router has it's default route set to my PC, so I get all sewer
> overflow from the wasteland, on purpose. I hate it when stupid
> things do not work because of over-zealous 3th party gadgets.

Yes, not to say there aren't always exceptions, but I'm still willing to
bet firewalls, for many people, have caused more problems than they have
solved.

> For XP btw:
> Control Panel::Security Center::Change the way windows alerts me
> Uncheck firewall.

Excellent! Never saw that setting. Even after you pointed it out, it
took me several minutes of looking around to see the link for it.

> Theo (whishing he didn't (have to) know these things)

Some of us are glad! I use XP for work, but moved away from Windows almost a
year ago on my personal machine.

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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Daniel Feiglin]

Stevens wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2007 07:03, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>   
>> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
>> running under 10.2?
>> It crashes with a double seg error.
>> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
>> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>> 
>
> I'm running version 4.0.2735 of Jan 30, 2007. Not sure if that's the 
> current version but it works great on my Suse 10.2.
>
> Fred
>   
That's what I've got. Did you have to do anything "special" during the
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Re: [opensuse] raid question

[Lorenzo Cerini]

I found this on my logs.
I don't thik it is a badblock problem, but i cannot understand if it
is a hardware problem:
Jun 19 03:16:42 axis kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
Jun 19 03:16:42 axis kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }
Jun 19 03:16:46 axis kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
Jun 19 03:16:46 axis kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }
Jun 19 03:16:50 axis kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
Jun 19 03:16:50 axis kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }
Jun 19 03:16:53 axis kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
Jun 19 03:16:53 axis kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete
Error }
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x802
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: sdb: Current: sense key: Medium Error
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: Additional sense: Unrecovered read
error - auto reallocate failed
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector
25690407
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: raid1: Disk failure on sdb1, disabling device.
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: Operation continuing on 1 devices
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: raid1: sdb1: rescheduling sector 25690344
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: RAID1 conf printout:
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel:  --- wd:1 rd:2
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel:  disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel:  disk 1, wo:1, o:0, dev:sdb1
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: RAID1 conf printout:
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel:  --- wd:1 rd:2
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel:  disk 0, wo:0, o:1, dev:sda1
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: raid1: sda1: redirecting sector 25690344 to
another mirror
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So, maybe it is better if i re-enable the disk and see what happens.
There is no trouble about data-loss, since we regularly beckup everithing
useful at midnight.



Just have a look at the logs first.

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[opensuse] Re: /etc/hushlogins

[Jonathan Arnold]

Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Thursday 21 June 2007 10:16, Randall R Schulz wrote:
>> On Thursday 21 June 2007 10:04, Razi Khaja wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Just a quick question.  What is /etc/hushlogins and what is it used
>>> for?
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Mine is a nearly empty file, it only contains a newline
>>> character. What is  peculiar is that the file was created in 1994
>> Same here:
>>
>> % ls -l /etc/hushlogins
>> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 1 1994-01-08 15:30 /etc/hushlogins
> 
> Also note the source of this file, the package "aaa_base":
> 
> % rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/hushlogins
> aaa_base-10.0-28
> 
> 
> On the other hand, "/etc/login.defs" comes from "pwdutils":
> 
> % rpm -q --whatprovides /etc/login.defs
> pwdutils-3.0.4-4.2

As a quick side question, what is the difference between --whatprovides and
--file (-f)? Looking at the man page, it seems like whatprovides is a more
general case of --file? What sort of other things besides files could you
look for?

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Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[Johannes Meixner]

Hello,

On Jun 22 13:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (shortened):
> On Fri 22 June 2007 12:04, Dave Howorth wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > I always get these Dirivers from Epson's Linux support site.
> > > http://www.avasys.jp/english/linux_e/dl_spc.html
> > > All mine worked so far
> >
> > Yeah, that's what I've had to do in the past and after some messing
> > around, it works. But AFAIK, Suse 10.2 should be able to recognize and
> > configure the device without having to mess around with software from
> > the Epson-site-that-Epson-won't-have-anything-to-do-with (a.k.a. avasys).
> 
> who cares, they work ...

Guess what!
The iscan-free package is built from the Epson Avasys sources.
The iscan package is also from Epson Avasys and
iscan-proprietary-drivers are their proprietary modules
and iscan-firmware package are their firmware files.
See "rpm -qi iscan-free" and also for the other iscan packages.

Kind Regards
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Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[Barry Premeaux]

On 6/21/07, Dave Howorth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have an Epson RX620 all-in-one, which works fine on my Suse 9.3 x86-64
system thanks to Johannes' help last year. I recently installed Suse
10.2 x86-64 and now it doesn't work :(

PRINTER

It seems to have recognized the printer - YaST and CUPS have an entry
for it and say "Epson Stylus Photo RX620 - CUPS+Gutenprint v5.0.0
Simplified". But I can't print anything to it. If I try - e.g. using the
test facilty in YaST - nothing happens at the printer (no flashing
light). CUPS says it is "Printer State: processing, accepting jobs,
published." but also says " stylusphotorx620 (Default Printer) "Printer
not connected; will retry in 30 seconds...". I've tried stopping and
restarting the printer with no effect.




I had a similar problem with my C84.  I could use the parallel port
for the older computer, but he USB quit working with the laptop.
Powering the printer on/off from the control panel did not clear it.
I had to actually unplug the printer and plug it back in to reset the
USB.  Since you can't talk to it on the USB port, you might be having
a similar problem.

Barry
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Re: [opensuse] SORTA SOLVED - Oo Question

[Billie Erin Walsh]

Kenneth Schneider wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-06-20 at 14:36 -0500, Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>   
>> Pueblo Native wrote:
>> 
>>> Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>>>   
>>>   
 On 06/19/2007 Dave Barton wrote:
   
 
 
> Menu "Insert -> Picture -> Scan"
>
> If you mean OCR directly, the answer is no.
>
> Dave
> 
>   
>   
 Thanks. I was afraid of that.

   
 
 
>>> Check out the ocrad package if you want to do OCR.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>> I checked with Yast and did indeed already have ocrad installed. It was
>> the usual OCR disappointment.
>>
>> 
>
> I use SimpleOCR running under wine with quite good results. You might
> give it a whirl.
>
>   
Actually I think I will just forget about OCR. In all the years it's
been available I have never seen one that works worth spit anyway.

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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Ed Harrison]

Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Stevens wrote:
>   
>> On Friday 22 June 2007 07:03, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
>>> running under 10.2?
>>> It crashes with a double seg error.
>>> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
>>> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>>> 
>>>   
>> I'm running version 4.0.2735 of Jan 30, 2007. Not sure if that's the 
>> current version but it works great on my Suse 10.2.
>>
>> Fred
>>   
>> 
> That's what I've got. Did you have to do anything "special" during the
> install?
>
>
>   
I have a laptop and a desktop running 10.2. Google Earth will not run on
the laptop because it says the graphics card is not capable of direct
rendering.  It works great on the desktop with a GeForce 7600 GS OC.
This may be irrelevant to your problem.

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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

[Joe Morris (NTM)]

Richard Creighton wrote:
> So far
> (and until now), my belief in Linux has been vindicated and there has
> been nothing I have needed or wanted to  do that Linux hasn't been able
> to do.   I would hate to go to my grave with Windoze doing something
> that Linux cannot for simple want of a proper driver or a few magic
> incantations in some config file made by someone a lot smarter than I am
> during installation.   
You said IIRC that the install sees the individual drives.  If you have
your BIOS set to boot from one of those drives, install GRUB on that
MBR, load the fake-raid driver via the initrd, and have boot in its own
partition on that drive, That should work, and your root can be on the
raid5 fake raid.  To be honest, though, I would personally forget the
onboard raid which is a worse implementation than the linux software
raid, and I would go with linux software raid (which is what I did do). 
Windows cannot install to these fake raid either without the vendor
supplied driver (usually a floppy), and though you CAN make it work
(probably easier to install to boot on the IDE and after install move it
to the raid array), I believe performance and problems are worse than
linux software raid.

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Re: [opensuse] [bug] GTK+ file selector freeze - [bug] Firefox spellchecking in French environment

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Christophe Osuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-22-07 06:15]:
> I am sorry to send bug reports on this mailing-list instead of using
> Novell Bugzilla, but the latter requires creating an account and
> leaving personal data that I am reluctant to give.

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information, if you are so inclined, and set up a gmail account to use
only for bugzilla (and what-ever).

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Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[Dave Howorth]

Johannes Meixner wrote:
> Guess what!
> The iscan-free package is built from the Epson Avasys sources.
> The iscan package is also from Epson Avasys and
> iscan-proprietary-drivers are their proprietary modules
> and iscan-firmware package are their firmware files.

Exactly! and these packages benefit from your loving care :)
So hopefully I don't need to spend anywhere near as much time with them.

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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Daniel Feiglin]

Pueblo Native wrote:
> Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>   
>> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
>> running under 10.2?
>> It crashes with a double seg error.
>> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
>> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>>   
>> 
>
> Works fine for me.  When exactly does it crash?
>
>   
It comes up, shows the logo graphic and then -

Google Earth has caught signal 11.

Another crash happened while handling crash!



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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

[Richard Creighton]

Kenneth Schneider wrote:


 >>> controller built-in to the ASUS motherboard with the 4 SATA drives that
 board can natively control *without* having to use a 5th IDE or
external
 drive just to boot the system>

>>> The ultimate goal should be to have the best raid 5 possible with the
>>> hardware you have ;-p
>>>  
>> 
>>
>> ...I did.   In fact, in order to get the 5th drive to run my tests, I
>> had to cannibalize an older RedHat system that is 'wounded' because  I
>> lost a cpu fan and damaged the cpu chip.   I was going to replace the MB
>> in that system at some point but now, I may also be short a drive having
>> had to use it in what I thought was ample hardware;  A new ASUS system
>> MB with 4 SATA drives and with a so-called hardware raid controller
>> built-in to the MB.   As it turns out, that controller is a 'fake-raid'
>> which borrows cpu cycles but still, with the hardware I had, under
>> Windoze, the configuration would have worked (demonstrated), but I
>> refuse to contaminate my system with that OS and I believe anything
>> Windoze can do, Linux can (or should) be able to do better.
>>
> You are right that linux _should_ be able to do that same things that
> windows does. The problem is the  s l o w  adoption by the hardware
> providers in providing *proper* drivers for their hardware, like ATI and
> Nvidia are trying to do. This will not happen until they get together
> with the kernel developers to come up with a solution.
>
>  
Very true.I have fought this type of battle for years and I support
vendors that *try* and do my best to vote with my feet against those
vendors that are so  myopic that they only see M$ and ignore Linux and
Mac or anyone else.  I have had very good luck in the past with ASUS and
I do believe Nvidia is trying (their web site has Linux drivers as does
their MB documentation/hardware kit) but as new as their support is,
SUSE 10.2 is newer and I appreciate the difficulty of the manufacturers
trying to hit a  rapidly moving target such as openSUSE.  M$ succeeds in
part because only one entity controls the product, with *us* (meaning
the Linux community), there are thousands of contributers.   That is
both our strength and our weakness.   Strength because we cannot be
railroaded into accepting crappola, weak because it is often hard to get
even two  people to agree on anything, much less thousands.   Even so, I
opt for the challenge of Linux and I  will continue to vote with my feet
and work to make Linux work better than M$ in everything *including*
booting from a 'fake-raid' capable mother board.   I have 'Googled' well
over a thousand articles on this subject, many before posting the first
query here on this support forum and I can assure you that using the
'md-raid' method is not so pretty either (per other suggestions on this
thread - (good link at
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=158475  ... follow
the docs he wrote if you want a good tutorial).Anyway, the search
continues.   The method actually works with Umbuntu live cd install with
a tweak but I prefer to make SUSE work as that is my  preferred distro. 
Thanks for everyone's help...
Richard

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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[Billie Erin Walsh]

Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
>   
>> Thu, 21 Jun 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>
>> 
>>> Kenneth Schneider wrote:
>>>   
 On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 11:00 +0100, Robert Best wrote:
 
>>> It is a Speedtouch ADSL modem. Don't know about firewall
>>> capabilities.
>>>   
 The "firewall capabilities" used by most of these modems is called NAT
 which stands for Network Address Translation ( there are other features
 available ). What this basically does is prevent an outside connection
 to an inside PC because there is no direct access via an outside IP
 address to an internal IP address. When you request an outside
 connection, lets say a connection to a web site, the modem automagically
 provides a temporary connection for you and drops it when the request
 has ended ( the web page has been loaded ).
 
>>> Yes, exactly. I've never understood the Wild Eyed(tm) insistence on a
>>> firewall, as I imagine there very few installations where a user's computer
>>> is directly on the Internet these days. I always  run behind a router,
>>> and thus don't need a firewall. If you have your cable modem plugged
>>> into a switch or router (ie, if your computer is on a 192.168 network),
>>> you don't need a firewall. And yet I can't get Windows to stop complaining
>>> about the fact I don't have the firewall turned on.
>>>   
>> 
>
> Yes, not to say there aren't always exceptions, but I'm still willing to
> bet firewalls, for many people, have caused more problems than they have
> solved.
> 
>
>   

Our ISP has a master firewall on his fiber connections that is WAY more
powerful than anything I would pay for. We are three layers inside his
network. Each access point has it's own powerful firewall. This feeds
through the modem to a router with a firewall. That's five firewalls
between me and the fiber. If they want in bad enough to get through all
that they can have it. I can't see where having a firewall on my
computer is going to make any difference.

Besides all that, if they want you bad enough they WILL get you.
Firewalls are like padlocks. They keep honest people honest. The only
sure fire way to keep someone out of your computer is to unplug the
network cable, remove the modem, and unplug it from the wall. Anything
short of that...NO guarantees.

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Re: [opensuse] raid question

[Carlos E. R.]

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 14:34 +0200, Lorenzo Cerini wrote:

> I found this on my logs.
> I don't thik it is a badblock problem, but i cannot understand if it
> is a hardware problem:

I think so.

> Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete 
> Error }
> Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }
> Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x802
> Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: sdb: Current: sense key: Medium Error
> Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: Additional sense: Unrecovered read error - 
> auto reallocate failed

I'm not familiar with scsi errors, but if I interpret it correctly, the 
drive tried to relocate the bad sector to somewhere else and failed: 
that's not good, it might mean that the drive has no more spare sectors 
for remapping and is thus at the end of its life.

You should investigate the smart logs (smartctl -a /dev/sdb). If you can 
determine that what I said is the case, then you should replace the drive 
promptly. If in doubt, run the short and long diagnostics. They don't 
catch everything, but if they sey "bad", it is bad.


See? First admin rule: read the logs ;-)

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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Pueblo Native]

Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Pueblo Native wrote:
>   
>> Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
>>> running under 10.2?
>>> It crashes with a double seg error.
>>> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
>>> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>>>   
>>> 
>>>   
>> Works fine for me.  When exactly does it crash?
>>
>>   
>> 
> It comes up, shows the logo graphic and then -
>
> Google Earth has caught signal 11.
>
> Another crash happened while handling crash!
>
>
>   

Hate to go instinctively to the command line, but. . .

When you type googleearth in a console window, what error do you get?

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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[JB2]

On Thu 21 June 07 18:34, Pueblo Native wrote:

> Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
> > Pueblo Native wrote:
> >> While some of these points may have more or less merit to them, the
> >> first one is a no-starter:
> >> "There is *already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format
> >> (ODF)*: a dual standard adds cost to industry, government and citizens;"
> >>
> >> Now, I use OO and love it, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that it
> >> is or should be the ONLY standard out there.  Let a thousand flowers
> >> bloom and let the consumer decide what they want.  As long as they have
> >> that power, I'm happy even if they choose Microsoft's OXML format.
> >
> > So as I understand your comment, when it comes to a standard, we should
> > all have our own?  Or even worse, Microsoft should decide what can and
> > cannot be in it?  IMO, this OXML is Microsoft's attempt to circumvent
> > the standard ODF as they cannot compete on a level playing field.  IMHO,
> > standards are no place for variety.  Let applications compete for how
> > well they support the standards, but with multiple targets, it only
> > ensures no (or all) will be hit.  I would rather adhere to one standard,
> > and as its limits are exposed, to amend the one standard rather than
> > have 100 so-called standards.  Already signed the petition.
>
> Yeah, and I'm sure presenting an internet petition to a standards body
> is going to have a whole lot of importance when ISO decides whether or
> not to accept Microsoft's standard.  Why stop there?  Why not present
> that petition to Microsoft.  I'm sure that once Ballmer sees all those
> self-certifying "signatures" he's going to raise his hands in surrender
> and announce that Office will only be using Open Document Format.

  Better to fight it in any way, than to stand back and cower and do nothing 
at all.

> Technical specs aside, if Microsoft wants to push out its own standard,
> well and good.

  Not really, because then it's not *standards* anymore, it's anarchy in 
standardization and no one wins. Would you like that mobo's have no 
'standards'? How about graphics cards, etc?
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Re: [opensuse] Re: /etc/hushlogins

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 22 June 2007 04:30, Jonathan Arnold wrote:
> ...
>
> As a quick side question, what is the difference between
> --whatprovides and --file (-f)? Looking at the man page, it seems
> like whatprovides is a more general case of --file? What sort of
> other things besides files could you look for?

I believe it's the other way around. The --whatprovides 
and --whatrequires only deal with dependencies. They exclude files 
installed and used internally by the package but that are not part of 
what the package supplies to the system or to other packages.

So --file pertains to a larger set of files.


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Re: [opensuse] [bug] GTK+ file selector freeze - [bug] Firefox spellchecking in French environment

[Christophe Osuna]

Why are you reluctant to give your email address?  You have provided
it to the entire world in the post you made.  Make up the rest of the
information, if you are so inclined, and set up a gmail account to use
only for bugzilla (and what-ever).


In order to create a Novell account one has to leave his address and
also telephone number; I can't see how this can help bug report, and
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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[James Knott]

Jonathan Arnold wrote:

Some of us are glad! I use XP for work, but moved away from Windows almost a
year ago on my personal machine.
  


I have never had Windows as my main OS on my home computer.  I've only 
got it on my ThinkPad, which I also installed SUSE on.  At home, I went 
from DOS to OS/2, over 15 years ago and then to Linux, about 5 years 
ago.  Whenever I have to use Windows, I feel restricted because it's 
very limiting compared to Linux or OS/2.



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Re: [opensuse] [bug] GTK+ file selector freeze - [bug] Firefox spellchecking in French environment

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Christophe Osuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-22-07 09:30]:
> >Why are you reluctant to give your email address?  You have provided
> >it to the entire world in the post you made.  Make up the rest of the
> >information, if you are so inclined, and set up a gmail account to use
> >only for bugzilla (and what-ever).
> 
> In order to create a Novell account one has to leave his address and
> also telephone number; I can't see how this can help bug report, and
> so I will *not* give that kind of information.

Then don't.  Put  there.  You are making a federal case of
something that doesn't cost salt.

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Re: [opensuse] [bug] GTK+ file selector freeze - [bug] Firefox spellchecking in French environment

[James Knott]

Christophe Osuna wrote:

Why are you reluctant to give your email address?  You have provided
it to the entire world in the post you made.  Make up the rest of the
information, if you are so inclined, and set up a gmail account to use
only for bugzilla (and what-ever).


In order to create a Novell account one has to leave his address and
also telephone number; I can't see how this can help bug report, and
so I will *not* give that kind of information.

They may want to contact you, to clarify details.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[James Knott]

Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

Our ISP has a master firewall on his fiber connections that is WAY more
powerful than anything I would pay for. We are three layers inside his
network.


ISP firewall?  What happens if you want to connect to your own network, 
via SSH or VPN?



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Re: [opensuse] Raid 5 installation

[James Knott]

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 07:46 -0400, Richard Creighton wrote:

  

The ultimate goal should be to have the best raid 5 possible with the
hardware you have ;-p

  



...I did.   In fact, in order to get the 5th drive to run my tests, I
had to cannibalize an older RedHat system that is 'wounded' because  I
lost a cpu fan and damaged the cpu chip.   I was going to replace the MB
in that system at some point but now, I may also be short a drive having
had to use it in what I thought was ample hardware;  A new ASUS system
MB with 4 SATA drives and with a so-called hardware raid controller
built-in to the MB.   As it turns out, that controller is a 'fake-raid'
which borrows cpu cycles but still, with the hardware I had, under
Windoze, the configuration would have worked (demonstrated), but I
refuse to contaminate my system with that OS and I believe anything
Windoze can do, Linux can (or should) be able to do better.   




Thus, use software raid in linux, which also works out of the box. No need 
to use the fake-raid drivers, and has probably the same speed, and decidly

better support and compatibility.

I don't see any advantage in using the fake raid method, except using 
windows - and you aren't, so why go the difficult road?


With software raid you do not need an extra drive, just a plain /boot 
partition replicated on all disks. I'm almost sure it is documented 
somewhere.


  


I'm planning on experimenting with that.  I recently bought an IBM 
Netfinity X232 server, with 4 18G SCSI disks.  I've currently got SUSE 
10.2 running on it, but without RAID.



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Re: [opensuse] raid question

[Lorenzo Cerini]

Trouble is those are SATA disks, not SCSi.
So have no smartctl ( or at least smartctl answer me this way)

L.

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I found this on my logs.
I don't thik it is a badblock problem, but i cannot understand if it
is a hardware problem:



I think so.

  

Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: ata2: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: ata2: error=0x40 { UncorrectableError }
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: SCSI error : <1 0 0 0> return code = 0x802
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: sdb: Current: sense key: Medium Error
Jun 19 03:16:57 axis kernel: Additional sense: Unrecovered read error - 
auto reallocate failed



I'm not familiar with scsi errors, but if I interpret it correctly, the 
drive tried to relocate the bad sector to somewhere else and failed: 
that's not good, it might mean that the drive has no more spare sectors 
for remapping and is thus at the end of its life.


You should investigate the smart logs (smartctl -a /dev/sdb). If you can 
determine that what I said is the case, then you should replace the drive 
promptly. If in doubt, run the short and long diagnostics. They don't 
catch everything, but if they sey "bad", it is bad.



See? First admin rule: read the logs ;-)

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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[Billie Erin Walsh]

James Knott wrote:
> Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
>> Our ISP has a master firewall on his fiber connections that is WAY more
>> powerful than anything I would pay for. We are three layers inside his
>> network.
>
> ISP firewall?  What happens if you want to connect to your own
> network, via SSH or VPN?
>
>
Never do that. If I'm out of town and using my laptop the computer is
usually turned off. If I'm just running around town, and IF I should
take my laptop for some reason, I can't think of any reason I would need
to. Any pertinent data I might need at any given time is already on my
laptop. I honestly can't think of any reason to need to connect to my
desktop. Someday that may change but for
now.  I'll cross that bridge when the time
comes. I'm sure there is some way to get there . Have to ask Sam if/when
the time comes.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[James Knott]

Billie Erin Walsh wrote:

James Knott wrote:
  

Billie Erin Walsh wrote:


Our ISP has a master firewall on his fiber connections that is WAY more
powerful than anything I would pay for. We are three layers inside his
network.
  

ISP firewall?  What happens if you want to connect to your own
network, via SSH or VPN?




Never do that. If I'm out of town and using my laptop the computer is
usually turned off. If I'm just running around town, and IF I should
take my laptop for some reason, I can't think of any reason I would need
to. Any pertinent data I might need at any given time is already on my
laptop. I honestly can't think of any reason to need to connect to my
desktop. Someday that may change but for
now.  I'll cross that bridge when the time
comes. I'm sure there is some way to get there . Have to ask Sam if/when
the time comes.

  
I access my home system frequently.  For example right now I'm at work 
and getting my email from an IMAP server on my main home computer.  To 
get there, I run OpenVPN, which gets me through my firewall and to all 
the resources on my home network.  I also have SSH available, should I 
choose to go that way.


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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[James Knott]

Jerry Houston wrote:

James Knott wrote:
I have never had Windows as my main OS on my home computer.  I've 
only got it on my ThinkPad, which I also installed SUSE on.  At home, 
I went from DOS to OS/2, over 15 years ago and then to Linux, about 5 
years ago.  Whenever I have to use Windows, I feel restricted because 
it's very limiting compared to Linux or OS/2.


Incredible.  I'm a fan of Linux, too (else, why would I be here?), but 
if you think Windows is limiting compared with OS/2, you must be using 
a 15-year-old copy of Windows!


Have you actually used OS/2?  Have you compare the WPS with any other 
desktop, including Linux?  Have you investigated the power of the object 
oriented system that's far beyond what Windows can do?  Then there's the 
excellent multitasking, that 15 years ago, was far better than what 
Windows can do today.  It's a long, long list, for those who actually 
learned to use the advantages of OS/2.



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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Kai Ponte]

On Fri, June 22, 2007 5:03 am, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
running under 10.2?
> It crashes with a double seg error.
> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it
cannot find various shared libraries, which are most definitely
present.
>

Are you only on kernel 2.4.10??  I thought all openSUSE installs had
at least a 2.6.x kernel.  I think I'm on 2.6.18 on my laptop.

In any case, I just installed the latest version - no issue.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[Billie Erin Walsh]

On 06/22/2007 James Knott wrote:
> I access my home system frequently.  For example right now I'm at
> work and getting my email from an IMAP server on my main home
> computer.  To get there, I run OpenVPN, which gets me through my
> firewall and to all the resources on my home network.  I also have
> SSH available, should I choose to go that way.

If I'm out somewhere with my laptop I just log in and download my mail
directly from the server. That's why I turn off my desktop when I'm
going to be gone long enough to need to do my e-mail [ If I'm not going
to be there for any length of time why give it the wear and tear? ] I
have all the necessary "resources" I need right on my laptop. My needs
are VERY simple. Genealogy program, E-mail, Browser, and such addons as
PDF viewers. In some certain rare cases I might want to watch a DVD or
listen to a CD so I need programs for that. That's about it. I don't
"work" in a place that I need presentation stuff or any of the more high
powered stuff. I don't have any need to swap files from home to work and
back again. Just consider me the average home computer user.

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Re: [opensuse] epson rx620 on suse 10.2

[S Glasoe]

On Friday June 22 2007 8:07:26 am Dave Howorth wrote:
> Johannes Meixner wrote:
> > Guess what!
> > The iscan-free package is built from the Epson Avasys sources.
> > The iscan package is also from Epson Avasys and
> > iscan-proprietary-drivers are their proprietary modules
> > and iscan-firmware package are their firmware files.
>
> Exactly! and these packages benefit from your loving care :)
> So hopefully I don't need to spend anywhere near as much time with them.
>
> Cheers, Dave

I want to thank Johannes for this also. Just had a chance to use my Epson 
Perfection 3170 Photo scanner for the first time under openSUSE 10.2 and it 
was brain-dead simple to configure and use - finally! In the past we had to 
jump through fewer and fewer hoops from 9.3 on to get it running. Now it is 
finally integrated into YaST's scanner routine using the proprietary iscan 
stuff from Epson because Epson has seen the light.

Thank you Johannes and everyone there at SUSE who has and is continuing to 
work on this. Absolutely brililant!
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[opensuse] Protected Kernel Replaced by 10.2 Update

[Felix Miata]

My / partition has limited freespace, so I didn't want to add new or 
unnecessary stuff. I depend on smbfs, so didn't want a new kernel to force me 
to install sources, recompile, and run out of
freespace on /. So I:

1-opened YaST Control Center
2-clicked Software Management
3-selected package groups
4-clicked zzz All
5-scrolled down to kernel-default
6-right clicked
7-selected Protected
8-selected kerry
9-right clicked
10-selected all in this list
11-selected update if newer version available
12-clicked Accept

YaST then proceeded to update what needed updateing, and to delete 2.6.18.2-34 
and install the latest kernel version. I am not happy about this. Did I get the 
procedure wrong, or is protection from
kernel upgrade broken?

One of the nicest things about Mandriva is urpmi won't replace any kernel 
automatically. Kernel upgrade there only happens by explicit request. I wish 
SUSE/YaST was as intelligent. Then I could update
whenever updates were available instead of putting it off for months at a time.
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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[russbucket]

On Friday June 22 2007 05:03, Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
> running under 10.2?
> It crashes with a double seg error.
> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.

I'm run googleearth on OpenSUSE 10.2 lastest updates (kernel, 
kernel-default-2.6.18.8-0.3 32 bit) with no problems. Installed with no 
additional work. My hardware is older PIII 866MHZ fx1500 (Nvidia) graphics 
card. Did you enable 3D for card. If I remember right I did it thru YaST.

Not sure if my googleearth is latest. Version 4.0.2091.
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[opensuse] Re: Linux supports parallel port scanner!

[James Hatridge]

Hi all...

I just got my July Linux Journal from the States. In the Kernel Development 
column (page 12) it states that the parallel port code is now marked 
"unmaintained" and if someone does not step up to be the maintainer the code 
may be removed from the kernal. 

JIM

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Re: [opensuse] Protected Kernel Replaced by 10.2 Update

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-22-07 11:37]:
 [...]
> One of the nicest things about Mandriva is urpmi won't replace any
> kernel automatically. Kernel upgrade there only happens by explicit
> request. I wish SUSE/YaST was as intelligent. Then I could update
> whenever updates were available instead of putting it off for months
> at a time. 

I use smart and it allows for multiple bootable kernels.  When I
upgrade kernel, I *always* retain the last *solid* performer (or 2).
And have had several occasions to need to return to earlier versions.

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Re: [opensuse] synchronizing 2 folders

[John O'Gorman]

On Fri, 2007-06-22 at 13:46 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
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> 
> The Friday 2007-06-22 at 07:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:
> 
> > Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > >
> > > > And put that command in crontab for to be running say.. 3 minutes.
> > >
> > > I wonder if there would be an easy way using 'famd' instead.
> > >
> > What's "famd"?
> 
> RTFM ;-)
> 
> Sorry, couldn't resist. O:-)
> 
> ] DESCRIPTION
> ]
> ] FAM, the File Alteration Monitor, is a subsystem that applications 
> ]   can use to be notified when specific files or directories are changed.  
> ]   It is intended as a replacement for mechanisms such as poll and 
> ]   select.
> ]
> ]   FAM comes in two parts: famd, the daemon that listens for requests 
> ]   and provides notifications, and libfam a library that client 
> ]   applications can use to communicate with FAM.  For further information 
> ]   on libfam, see the fam(3) manual page.
> 
> It is running on suse systems by default.
Not on my OpenSUSE 10.2

I'd never heard of it before. I checked and found you man page.
But no output from the command: ps -e | grep fam 

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[opensuse] How to make a domain user as member of a local group.

[Sunny]

... or, a domain group as member of a local group?

I have a local directory, which has rwx permissions for the local group users.

I need to give the same permissions for a users, which authenticate
(log in) as domain (nt4) users. These users are members of "Domain
admin" group.

So, the question is - how do I add "Domain admins" or a particular
domain user (MYDOMAIN/sunny) to local users group, so it has rwx
access to the above mentioned directory. In YaST I do not see this
user and group. And I better not play with /etc/group before I know
what exactly I need to put there.

Cheers

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Re: [opensuse] You can say NO to the Microsoft Office format as an ISO standard

[S Glasoe]

On Thursday June 21 2007 5:53:18 pm Pueblo Native wrote:
> While some of these points may have more or less merit to them, the
> first one is a no-starter:
> "There is *already a standard ISO26300 named Open Document Format
> (ODF)*: a dual standard adds cost to industry, government and citizens;"
>
> Now, I use OO and love it, but I am not so arrogant as to assume that it
> is or should be the ONLY standard out there.  Let a thousand flowers
> bloom and let the consumer decide what they want.  As long as they have
> that power, I'm happy even if they choose Microsoft's OXML format.

Yeah, I am so happy that there are 1,000+ different types of speaker wire 
configurations because + and - were way too inconvenient.
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[opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!

[Kai Ponte]

Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to
SUSE.  One of the things I needed it to do was run our main
application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based
controls.

In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050
resolution with the application running just fine inside.  I have no
problems with speed or response.

I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows
running inside SUSE.

http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/67



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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Sloan]

Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
> running under 10.2?
> It crashes with a double seg error.
> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present
>   

Working like a charm here on 3 different 10.2 systems - 2 with nvidia, 1
with intel graphics, no hacks needed, just download, install and go.

ftp://ftp.mainphrame.com/data/snapshot1.jpg

Joe
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Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!

[Alexey Eremenko]

On 6/22/07, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to
SUSE.  One of the things I needed it to do was run our main
application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based
controls.

In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050
resolution with the application running just fine inside.  I have no
problems with speed or response.

I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows
running inside SUSE.


Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox.

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Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!

[Kai Ponte]

On Fri, June 22, 2007 10:30 am, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2007 10:22, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
>> On 6/22/07, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to
>> > SUSE.  One of the things I needed it to do was run our main
>> > application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based
>> > controls.
>> >
>> > In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a
>> 1400x1050
>> > resolution with the application running just fine inside.  I have
>> > no problems with speed or response.
>> >
>> > I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows
>> > running inside SUSE.
>>
>> Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox.
>
> He's happy with what he's got. Why mess with it? VMware is very good,
> very sound, very mature, very well supported. I doubt that can yet be
> said of VirtualBox.


Agreed. I spent hours setting up my virtual machine the way I want it.
I don't plan to scrap it and start over.

However, it is nice to see that there are free competitors. I plan to
buy a new home PC this year for my wife. I'll install SUSE, of course.
I  plan for her to have a virtual machine. Maybe I'll use VirtualBox
for it to run XP/2K apps.

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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Doug McGarrett]

On Friday 22 June 2007 08:16, Pueblo Native wrote:
> Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> > Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
> > running under 10.2?
> > It crashes with a double seg error.
> > With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
> > find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>
> Works fine for me.  When exactly does it crash?

Slightly off topic, but what does Google Earth do that the Google maps with
Satellite view doesn't?  And where do you get Google Earth for Linux?  I
just assumed that the d/l you would get would be for Windows.

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Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!

[Richard Creighton]

Kai Ponte wrote:
> Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to
> SUSE.  One of the things I needed it to do was run our main
> application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based
> controls.
>
> In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050
> resolution with the application running just fine inside.  I have no
> problems with speed or response.
>   
I think you did it the smart way, you installed SUSE and used VMWare as
'rubber gloves' to run a Windoze OS within the protection of Linux :)  
> I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows
> running inside SUSE.
>   
...actually,  UNIX predates Win by quite a bit and as Linux is a 'clone'
of *NIX, I would say you are running the Legacy as the host and
emulating a Johnny-come-lately-rip-off-of-OS/2 using a great pair of a
software equivalent of rubber gloves stamped 'VMWare' to prevent
contaminationa very smart way to goone I whole heartedly agree
with. :)
> http://www.perfectreign.com/?q=node/67
>   
Very cool!  


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Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 22 June 2007 10:22, Alexey Eremenko wrote:
> On 6/22/07, Kai Ponte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to
> > SUSE.  One of the things I needed it to do was run our main
> > application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based
> > controls.
> >
> > In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050
> > resolution with the application running just fine inside.  I have
> > no problems with speed or response.
> >
> > I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows
> > running inside SUSE.
>
> Alternatively, you could try VirtualBox.

He's happy with what he's got. Why mess with it? VMware is very good, 
very sound, very mature, very well supported. I doubt that can yet be 
said of VirtualBox.


> -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov"


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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Sloan]

Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2007 08:16, Pueblo Native wrote:
>   
>> Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>> 
>>> Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
>>> running under 10.2?
>>> It crashes with a double seg error.
>>> With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it cannot
>>> find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>>>   
>> Works fine for me.  When exactly does it crash?
>> 
>
> Slightly off topic, but what does Google Earth do that the Google maps with
> Satellite view doesn't?  
Your question would best be answered by having a look at google earth.
It's a nice app.

> And where do you get Google Earth for Linux?  I
> just assumed that the d/l you would get would be for Windows.
>
>   
There are downloads available for the 3 most popular desktop platforms:
peecee, mac, linux.

Joe


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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Randall R Schulz]

On Friday 22 June 2007 10:57, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2007 08:16, Pueblo Native wrote:
> > Daniel Feiglin wrote:
> > > Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of
> > > GoogleEarth running under 10.2?
> > > It crashes with a double seg error.
> > > With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it
> > > cannot find various shared libraries, which are most definitely
> > > present.
> >
> > Works fine for me.  When exactly does it crash?
>
> Slightly off topic, but what does Google Earth do that the Google
> maps with Satellite view doesn't?  And where do you get Google Earth
> for Linux?  I just assumed that the d/l you would get would be for
> Windows.

Google earth is a generic, open platform for GIS applications. It's not 
of the same category as the ESRI applications ArcView or ArcGIS, but 
the concept is the same.

Google Earth's display is much more dynamic and responsive, since more 
of the work is done on your workstation (rendering, in particular). It 
provides much more flexible views, including 3-D terrain models and 
viewing angle controls (Google Maps shows only a fixed viewpoint, i.e., 
looking straight down).

Google Maps is fixed / self-contained and not particularly extensible, 
though there is the ability to create simple overlays that makes 
map-based "mash-ups" possible.


Google Earth is available for Windows, Mac OS and Linux.


> --doug


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Re: [opensuse] GoogleEarth

[Kai Ponte]

On Fri, June 22, 2007 10:57 am, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> On Friday 22 June 2007 08:16, Pueblo Native wrote:
>> Daniel Feiglin wrote:
>> > Has anyone managed to get the current Linux release of GoogleEarth
>> > running under 10.2?
>> > It crashes with a double seg error.
>> > With the export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.10 hack, It claims that it
>> cannot
>> > find various shared libraries, which are most definitely present.
>>
>> Works fine for me.  When exactly does it crash?
>
> Slightly off topic, but what does Google Earth do that the Google maps
> with
> Satellite view doesn't?  And where do you get Google Earth for Linux?
> I
> just assumed that the d/l you would get would be for Windows.


Google earth - especially the pro version - has SEVERAL more features.

For example, here's a test I did a few years back plotting a
GPS-enabled cellphone over a Keyhole (which Google bought and renamed
"Google Earth") image.

http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/kai_gps_home.jpg
http://www.perfectreign.com/stuff/kai_gps_home_zoom.jpg

You can also do 3d modeling and super impose various items into the
earth. One thing I remember liking was being able to view the world in
1822.

In addition, you can setup 3d views of places or locations. This
enables various spatial relations.

I find it very cool that they use Qt and make it avail to *nix.

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Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!

[Kai Ponte]

On Fri, June 22, 2007 10:54 am, Richard Creighton wrote:
> Kai Ponte wrote:
>> Just an update on my Vista laptop that I wanted to switch over to
>> SUSE.  One of the things I needed it to do was run our main
>> application, written in .net but requiring many Windows-based
>> controls.
>>
>> In any case, I've now gotten VMWare to run perfectly in a 1400x1050
>> resolution with the application running just fine inside.  I have no
>> problems with speed or response.
>>
> I think you did it the smart way, you installed SUSE and used VMWare
> as
> 'rubber gloves' to run a Windoze OS within the protection of Linux :)
>> I'd say this is the best of both worlds - a legacy OS like Windows
>> running inside SUSE.
>>
> actually,  UNIX predates Win by quite a bit and as Linux is a
> 'clone'
> of *NIX,

IIRC, Windows NT is a better unix than unix. :P


> I would say you are running the Legacy as the host and
> emulating a Johnny-come-lately-rip-off-of-OS/2 using a great pair of a
> software equivalent of rubber gloves stamped 'VMWare' to prevent
> contaminationa very smart way to goone I whole heartedly agree
> with. :)

LOL!

Actually I refer to the old closed-source install only from our CD's
mentality type of OS.  Heck, I'm surprised Windows doesn't hand out
dongles with their software.



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Re: [opensuse] Gotta Love that VM Ware!

[Richard Creighton]

Kai Ponte wrote:

> 
>> I would say you are running the Legacy as the host and
>> emulating a Johnny-come-lately-rip-off-of-OS/2 using a great pair of a
>> software equivalent of rubber gloves stamped 'VMWare' to prevent
>> contaminationa very smart way to goone I whole heartedly agree
>> with. :)
>> 
> LOL!
>
> Actually I refer to the old closed-source install only from our CD's
> mentality type of OS.  Heck, I'm surprised Windows doesn't hand out
> dongles with their software.
>  

SHH!Don't give them any ideas! That would be just another
extra cost option required to run their latest and greatest.   So far,
*none* of my Windoze friends have successfully installed Vista without
hardware upgrades.   All had been running XP with no problems but were
convinced they 'needed' Vista.   One had a 4 month old computer and it
failed to upgrade.Linux rules!  What I love about Linux:   It
runs VMWare that can pretend to be a computer running Vista :)   ...and
does it while doing real work in the background to boot! :)

Richard
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Re: [opensuse] Protected Kernel Replaced by 10.2 Update

[Felix Miata]

On 2007/06/22 11:44 (GMT-0400) Patrick Shanahan apparently typed:

> * Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-22-07 11:37]:
>  [...]
>> One of the nicest things about Mandriva is urpmi won't replace any
>> kernel automatically. Kernel upgrade there only happens by explicit
>> request. I wish SUSE/YaST was as intelligent. Then I could update
>> whenever updates were available instead of putting it off for months
>> at a time. 

> I use smart and it allows for multiple bootable kernels.

I've seen you report this previously, but what set me to preferring SUSE over 
other distros in the first place was YaST. Once upon a time YaST was 
bulletproof. Now with several years of Novell
management under the bridge it seems this SUSE attraction has nearly completed 
dying.

OTOH, to me the Smart UI is best described as mystery meat. I hover over 
several toolbar icons, and get no tooltips to tell me what they're for. I open 
it up and it says on the statusbar "No
interesting upgrades available!", while providing no apparent way to find out 
what non-interesting upgrades might be available. It has an icon for updating 
all packages, but none for updating
installed packages. It has no menu item for configuration or preferences. How 
can normal people use such an un-smart tool?
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Re: [opensuse] Protected Kernel Replaced by 10.2 Update

[John Andersen]

On Friday 22 June 2007, Felix Miata wrote:
> OTOH, to me the Smart UI is best described as mystery meat.

My sentiments exactly.  I found it essentially unusable.

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Re: [opensuse] Re: simple LAN

[G T Smith]

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Billie Erin Walsh wrote:
> Jonathan Arnold wrote:
>> Theo v. Werkhoven wrote:
>>   
>>> Thu, 21 Jun 2007, by [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>>>
>>> 
 Kenneth Schneider wrote:
   
> On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 11:00 +0100, Robert Best wrote:
> 
 It is a Speedtouch ADSL modem. Don't know about firewall
 capabilities.
   
> The "firewall capabilities" used by most of these modems is called NAT
> which stands for Network Address Translation ( there are other features
> available ). What this basically does is prevent an outside connection

NAT is not in itself a security technology. It does give a limited
security by obscurity by hiding machines on a local lan from the outside
world but not a lot other than that.

What a firewall gives is what can be accessed, how it can be accessed
and from where. With more sophisticated technologies (e.g. Novells
Border manager) one can also define who can access what.


> 
 Yes, exactly. I've never understood the Wild Eyed(tm) insistence on a
 firewall, as I imagine there very few installations where a user's computer
 is directly on the Internet these days. I always  run behind a router,
 and thus don't need a firewall. If you have your cable modem plugged
 into a switch or router (ie, if your computer is on a 192.168 network),
 you don't need a firewall. And yet I can't get Windows to stop complaining
 about the fact I don't have the firewall turned on.

The difficulty with this proposition is the assumption that all machines
on the local lan are adequately secured and used by reliable and
trustworthy people. Any security is only as strong as its weakest link,
and in most cases it is not the technology on the network but the people
using that technology which present the problem.

Unfortunately, there is nothing to stop an unsecured machine or
malicious (or stupid) user from attempting (deliberately or
inadvertently) to establish a link with an external site that that could
effectively bypass firewall or NAT based security assumptions. A
firewall policy for both external access and internal lan access is a
requirement on any network, and when combined with locking down external
access to SMTP and websites to proxy servers and mail hubs should at
least make such attacks more difficult

As Windows is particularly vulnerable to this kind subversive attack
this kind of nagging is probably a good thing.

   
>>> 
>> Yes, not to say there aren't always exceptions, but I'm still willing to
>> bet firewalls, for many people, have caused more problems than they have
>> solved.
>> 
>>
>>   

Usually, this is because people do not understand what they are doing
and why they are doing it. The link below is worth exploring...

 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/31/security_analogies/



> 
> Our ISP has a master firewall on his fiber connections that is WAY more
> powerful than anything I would pay for. We are three layers inside his
> network. Each access point has it's own powerful firewall. This feeds
> through the modem to a router with a firewall. That's five firewalls
> between me and the fiber. If they want in bad enough to get through all
> that they can have it. I can't see where having a firewall on my
> computer is going to make any difference.

I am intrigued by the concept of 3 levels of firewall giving 5
firewalls, enlighten me on the math please?

>They keep honest people honest. The only
> sure fire way to keep someone out of your computer is to unplug the
> network cable, remove the modem, and unplug it from the wall. Anything
> short of that...NO guarantees.
> 


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Re: [opensuse] [bug] GTK+ file selector freeze - [bug] Firefox spellchecking in French environment

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Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Christophe Osuna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-22-07 09:30]:
>>> Why are you reluctant to give your email address?  You have provided
>>> it to the entire world in the post you made.  Make up the rest of the
>>> information, if you are so inclined, and set up a gmail account to use
>>> only for bugzilla (and what-ever).
>> In order to create a Novell account one has to leave his address and
>> also telephone number; I can't see how this can help bug report, and
>> so I will *not* give that kind of information.
> 
> Then don't.  Put  there.  You are making a federal case of
> something that doesn't cost salt.
> 

Run this one past me very sloowly..

a) I use an OS which me or my company put stuff like my personal details
financial bit and pieces etc etc
b) I do not trust this company with my home address and contact details

... this does not compute ...

I think I need a beer break :-)

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[opensuse] Postfix and Procmail soft-bouce or autoreply

[Dale Schuster]

I am having a hard time conceptualizing a solution to this project.  I am 
using a postfix SMTP server to relay mail for three separate domains. This 
server will be the entry point to our network and should relay messages 
addressed to "@official.domain.com" to another SMTP mail hub for 
delivery.  It should also collect e-mail addressed to two other deprecated 
domains, notify the sender that the domain name has changed, and also 
deliver the message to the same SMTP mail hub for delivery.  The delivered 
messages should include a tag in the body informing the recipient that 
this message was addressed to the old (soon-to-be invalid) address.  The 
message bounced back to the sender should NOT contain the new address or 
domain name, but a generic message to contact 
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First of all, I'm having trouble trying to bounce messages to the sender, 
but still deliver them to the recipient.  I figured I would treat the two 
deprecated domains as Local to the relay server, and deliver messages to 
procmail.  Then have procmail send an autoreply to the sender and add a 
tag to the body and finally requeue the message for relay to the SMTP mail 
hub.

I don't have any trouble sending the messages to procmail, but I can't get 
procmail to requeue the messages correctly.  I have used Postfix in the 
past and feel comfortable with it's configuration, but I have very little 
procmail experience.  It seems to be a VERY powerful tool that should be 
able to handle this task simply.  I just don't know where to start as far 
as configuring my procmail recipies, or even if this postfix/procmail 
combo is even the best solution.  Is it possible to do this using ONLY 
postfix?  (I don't think postfix is able to add tags to the body of 
messages, OR send a bounce message and mail delivery at the same time.)

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

~Dale

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Re: [opensuse] Protected Kernel Replaced by 10.2 Update

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 11:33 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> 1-opened YaST Control Center
> 2-clicked Software Management
> 3-selected package groups
> 4-clicked zzz All
> 5-scrolled down to kernel-default
> 6-right clicked
> 7-selected Protected
> 8-selected kerry
> 9-right clicked
> 10-selected all in this list
> 11-selected update if newer version available
> 12-clicked Accept
> 
> YaST then proceeded to update what needed updateing, and to delete 
> 2.6.18.2-34 and install the latest kernel version. I am not happy about 
> this. Did I get the procedure wrong, or is protection from kernel 
> upgrade broken?

Protected status is not permanent, it doesn't survive across yast 
sessions. And, by selecting "update if newer version" you override the p. 
status. A bug, IMO. And reported:

 [Bug 246928] Yast YOU does not respect protected status.

And not solved.


What you can do is getting used to  select to view what Yast is going to 
install, and check one by one that there is nothing you do not want there.


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Re: [opensuse] [bug] GTK+ file selector freeze - [bug] Firefox spellchecking in French environment

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 12:13 +0200, Christophe Osuna wrote:

> I am sorry to send bug reports on this mailing-list instead of using
> Novell Bugzilla, but the latter requires creating an account and
> leaving personal data that I am reluctant to give.

Then your report will be utterly ignored. No one at suse will see it, and 
if they do see it, they will not acat until someone does report it in 
bugzilla.

Sad but true: no way to report by email.

However, Patrick advice is good: enter false private information. Like 
"bussiness: not your bussiness". "Phone: 555 1234"

My reasons I had time ago for using email were different: no cheap 
internet access to spend time clicking. Now I can.

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Re: [opensuse] Protected Kernel Replaced by 10.2 Update

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-22-07 15:19]:
> I've seen you report this previously, but what set me to preferring
> SUSE over other distros in the first place was YaST. Once upon a time
> YaST was bulletproof. Now with several years of Novell management
> under the bridge it seems this SUSE attraction has nearly completed
> dying.

I disagree, but do prefer smart for package management, and apt-get
before that.

> OTOH, to me the Smart UI is best described as mystery meat. 

You do have to use it and as with most things, it requires a little
learning.

> I hover over several toolbar icons, and get no tooltips to tell me
> what they're for. 

goodness, I have not even seen the "toolbar icons", etc.  Tooltips??

> I open it up and it says on the statusbar "No interesting upgrades
> available!", while providing no apparent way to find out what
> non-interesting upgrades might be available. 

It will only provide upgrades for installed software and ONLY from
repositories that YOU have configured  :^)

> It has an icon for updating all packages, but none for updating
> installed packages. 

Just how do you update a package that is not installed?

> It has no menu item for configuration or preferences. How can normal
> people use such an un-smart tool?

It is a "smart" tool.  But, as with nearly every tool, mechanical and
software, a little learning and effort *is* required.

READ THE DOCs.  It appears from your statements that you have not
looked at them.

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Re: [opensuse] Postfix and Procmail soft-bouce or autoreply

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Dale Schuster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [06-22-07 16:11]:
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> I don't have any trouble sending the messages to procmail, but I can't get 
> procmail to requeue the messages correctly.  I have used Postfix in the 
> past and feel comfortable with it's configuration, but I have very little 
> procmail experience.  It seems to be a VERY powerful tool that should be 
> able to handle this task simply.  I just don't know where to start as far 
> as configuring my procmail recipies, or even if this postfix/procmail 
> combo is even the best solution.  

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Re: [opensuse] Postfix and Procmail soft-bouce or autoreply

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The Friday 2007-06-22 at 13:10 -0700, Dale Schuster wrote:

...

> First of all, I'm having trouble trying to bounce messages to the sender, 
> but still deliver them to the recipient.  I figured I would treat the two 
> deprecated domains as Local to the relay server, and deliver messages to 
> procmail.  Then have procmail send an autoreply to the sender and add a 
> tag to the body and finally requeue the message for relay to the SMTP mail 
> hub.
> 
> I don't have any trouble sending the messages to procmail, but I can't get 
> procmail to requeue the messages correctly.  I have used Postfix in the 
> past and feel comfortable with it's configuration, but I have very little 
> procmail experience.  It seems to be a VERY powerful tool that should be 
> able to handle this task simply.  I just don't know where to start as far 
> as configuring my procmail recipies, or even if this postfix/procmail 
> combo is even the best solution.  Is it possible to do this using ONLY 
> postfix?  (I don't think postfix is able to add tags to the body of 
> messages, OR send a bounce message and mail delivery at the same time.)

You could bounce a "vacation" message, which doesn't stop the mail from 
proceeding. I mean, use the vacation program. It has other advantages, as 
only bouncing once a week, but it doesn't add tags to the email as you 
want.

Procmail could possibly do what you want, I think. But the forwarding 
part... I'm not sure how to know the proper new destination address. Plus, 
procmail would probably receive and process all local email.

Postfix also has a "relocated" table, but it will just bounce a message, I 
think.

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