Re: WebLogic To Orion
Why Orion? Because from day-to-day, no matter how many CPUs, no matter what the BEA Sales Executive's outstanding Mercedes lease payment, no matter what...Orion is USD$1500 / physical server license for deployed applications and every developer seat is free...because IT management need never again sweat out BEA 'Assistance' shakedowns and audits... http://www.orionserver.com/purchase.html compared to no stated pricing (it averaged USD$35K/CPU last year as an average quoted price at 7 of my clients) on the BEA website with developer seats requiring additional license and support fees... In addition, to quote David Jones' Review of the freeware JBoss in the serverside.com (link: http://www.theserverside.com/reviews/thread.jsp?thread_id=6215 ) Application development, which is what people do with app servers, is a very technical thing. It requires experience and knowledge. Support services do not help in any way with this. If you want this, you pay for a class with BEA or JBoss. BEA has a newsgroup to help out, so does JBoss. If you want more you can talk to someone at BEA, that's more difficult at JBoss. But do you want to know what they will tell you at BEA if you ask a tough question? The same thing that JBoss tells you without getting you on the phone: pay us consulting fees and we will help you fix it. By the way, that's what Orion and its partners will tell you, too...for a lot less than the BEAst, and with a lot less stress on your IT and corporate management. Michael J. Cannon - Original Message - From: muthukumarasamy rajamanickam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: Re: WebLogic To Orion Why are you going to Orion from Weblogic? We are movin gto Weblogic from Orion hemmm Diffferent world? --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you have a server certificate for or Orion server? Jonathan Bricker Lilly Research Labs Java ATG Greg Flores [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/11/01 09:18 AM Please respond to Orion-Interest To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:WebLogic To Orion We have migrated a current production application from Weblogic to Orion in an test to come up with an alternative platform and have come across some issues. Most of the issues we have been able to resolve except for one involving ssl and I.E. When we bring our application up in I.E. and https Orion invalidates the session within a minute. Our application security relies on certain objects within the session for enforcement which results in the user being kicked out of the application. We are evaluating V1.3.8., has this issue been resolved, is there a resolution or workaround? Thanks Greg Flores = Regards Muthu Rajamanickam e-mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone:832-567-7859 __ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
Re: EJB Problem with Oracle 8.0.5.0.0
There were some problems with the jdbc drivers on versions of Oracle before 8.1 (I believe the last two digits of the drivers were less than 10, IIRC) and connecting to the DB with various versions of the jdbc drivers. I don't believe I ever was able to consistently connect to a DB of v.8.0.x w/ the later (post v.12) jdbc drivers and had problems with the earlier jdbc drivers and v.8.1.x You might want to try an earlier version of the Oracle jdbc drivers. Also, SQLNet had a tendency to hiccup, and the new JInitiator servlet was somewhat buggy. All this was around March, though and may have been fixed. Michael J. Cannon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: EJB Problem with Oracle 8.0.5.0.0 Has anyone had problems with creating EJBs to connect to this version of Oracle. In particular EJB Finder methods - by primary key? I have a hunch that I need to be running on 8i, but am not sure. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Johnny
Re: Stupid CLASSPATH and Oracle JDBC drivers. Need help!
It's because of the search functions detailed here: http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.3/docs/tooldocs/findingclasses.html This was supposed to be deprecated in the various J2EE implementations and in the v.1.3 JDK, but it wasn't. Not Sun's fault, not Java's and certainly not Orion's or Oracle's. Keep in mind that all these folks are businesses, the J2EE initial implementation spec only became real and approved on the 4th of this month, and that everybody has 'optimized' the code. Also, keep in mind that with Oracle, you're dealing with (in the out-of-the-box implementation) a JSP/Servlet server that still hasn't been patched to be secure, a Web server that is in the same boat, and they deprecated all the additional functionality they could have gotten by just fully implementing Orion, without Apache/Tomcat. Michael J. Cannon hsqldb.org, Incorporated PM/COO - Original Message - From: Mike Fontenot [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: Stupid CLASSPATH and Oracle JDBC drivers. Need help! We had to put the Oracle jar/zip file into the JRE/lib/ext directory to be recognized on Win2K and solaris. We never figured out why this is the case. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan Lee Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 10:44 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Stupid CLASSPATH and Oracle JDBC drivers. Need help! Hi All, I simply trying to get Orion to see my Oracle JDBC drivers!! I've placed my classes12.zip in the [ORION_HOME]/lib directory but it cannot see it. I've also tried previous posted suggestions of modifying the shell $CLASSPATH variable and the library path located in the application.xml file. I have no problems on my Intel Win 2000 platform running Java 2 SDK 1.3.1-b24 and Orion 1.5.2. My problems are occurring on a PA-RISC platform running: Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1.01-release-010816-12:37) Java HotSpot(TM) Server VM (build 1.3.1 1.3.1.01-release-010816-13:34-PA_RISC2.0 PA2.0, mixed mode). I'm also using the same classes12.zip on both machines. I get the following error upon server startup: Error initializing data-source 'jdbc/OracleDSCore': DriverManagerDataSource driver 'oracle.jdbc.driverd.' Upon a login attempt to my app, which tries to use the Oracle Datasource, I get the following: 2001-09-17 17:18:12,498 [ApplicationServerThread] ERROR java.lang.Class - SQL Exception during getting userinfo java.sql.SQLException: No suitable driver at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java:537) at java.sql.DriverManager.getConnection(DriverManager.java:177) at com.evermind.sql.DriverManagerDataSource.getConnection(Unknown Source) at com.sprint.framework.rdbms.RDBMSUtility.getConnection(RDBMSUtility.java:297) at com.sprint.nsp.auth.UserManager.getUserInfo(UserManager.java:41) at com.sprint.nsp.auth.LoginController.isValid(LoginController.java:94) at __jspPage1_Authenticate_jsp._jspService(__jspPage1_Authenticate_jsp.java:84) at com.orionserver.http.OrionHttpJspPage.service(Unknown Source) at com.evermind._ah._rad(Unknown Source) at com.evermind.server.http.JSPServlet.service(Unknown Source) at com.evermind._cxb._abe(Unknown Source) at com.evermind._cxb._uec(Unknown Source) at com.evermind._io._twc(Unknown Source) at com.evermind._io._gc(Unknown Source) at com.evermind._if.run(Unknown Source) Database error, Please try again. br If problem persist please contact administrator. Everything works OK if I unzip the JDBC drivers into the /lib directory...but this is a hack would like to know why it won't pick up my ZIP file. It works with other JARs I put inarghhg! Any help is MUCH appreciated. --Dan
Re: I think, I will start a support site too....
Elephant walker is capable and I registered oionsig.org a while ago (when this was an issue for me - I think it was April). My ISP allows GNU Mailman, so that shouldn't be a problem. Also, you're free to start a Yahoo Club, or host the site on SourceForge (you could set it up so that it was a MBSD or ASL licensed site for extensions, mods, etc. specifically slanted to Orion's implementation of J2EE). What do you suggest, keeping in mind that this only accomplishes the task of further fragmenting the community (as IronFlare will still only post the link to their mailserver on their site, so part of the admin's job would be to spam this list with announcements and run copy-to scripts). Michael J. Cannon PM/COO - hsqldb.org, Inc. - Original Message - From: Bill Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: I think, I will start a support site too Another good point on this lousy list. I am unable to comprehend how a mailing list like this could be so bad. Could whoever is responsible for this list please answer one of these threads and explain yourself? This list could be hosted on a free listserver like Yahoo lists with much better results. Is there anyone out there on the list that would be able to host it? We could then just start our own list with a competent administrator and let this one die. I would like to hear more opinions on this so when you get this message in 4 or 5 hours or so, please reply. I am looking forward to your responses, which I should get sometime tomorrow around 12:00 est. Bill Alex Paransky wrote: (in style of Andy Rooney) I see everyone is starting their support sites for Orion. I think it's a poor solution for something that's broken, mainly, this mailing list. How many support sites do we actually have now? Why is it such a problem to keep the mailing list up and running? Now, we need to post the message to at least 3 places to make sure it gets maximum exposure. I think I will start a support site, that posts to all other support sites, just so that people don't have to search various support sites for help. I don't mind so many support sites starting up, I just think they are starting up for poor reasons and fragmenting what little knowledge we already have about this product. What is the problem with the list? Why is it down half the time? I hope it's not running under Orion... -AP_
Re: EJB 2.0 Availability Timeline
Since, according to the JCP, at http://jcp.org/jsr/stage/proposed.jsp the EJB 2.0 spec is currently in Proposed Final Draft Status and, according to the EJB 2.0 JSR Detail, the Final Ballot on the Reference Implementation (RI) and Compatibility Technology Kit (CTK) does not come until 04 September, 2001, after which there are probably going to be changes to the spec and it will require further review, I would guess that it would be sometime subsequent to that. Son't worry, though. Oracle is on the Expert Group (shudder-and-hope). Some interesting notes about the spec from the JCP detail: QUOTE: The Enterprise JavaBeans 2.0 architecture is targeted to be released as an important feature of the next major release of the Java 2 Platform, Enterprise Edition. It will require that a reference implementation and compatibility test suite be developed as a part of that platform. ENDQUOTE meaning time until the spec is a testable, verifiable and compliable (is that a word?) spec...in other words: real... and QUOTE In the absence of this specification, it is highly likely that Enterprise JavaBeans container providers will develop container-specific mechanisms to support integration with JMS, container-managed persistence of entity beans, query syntaxes, and specialized containers. This will in turn result in a proliferation of beans that are not portable across vendors' products. ENDQUOTE which is the status of the non-existent spec now. I would prefer to see the limited development resources of IronFlare (and Oracle) devoted to bugfixes and compliance with the existing spec, rather than waste time on a moving target. The problem is that until there is a standards process in place for certification-to-compliance, EJB 2.0 is vapor and companies that devote scarce resources to compliance efforts for a non-existent spec are doing their customers a disservice. Michael J. Cannon - Original Message - From: Solinsky, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Jason (Alias) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:26 AM Subject: EJB 2.0 Availability Timeline For planing purposes, it would be very valuable to know what the orion timeline for EJB2.0 availability is. JWS This e-mail communication and any attachments are confidential and intended only for the use of the designated recipients named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, or distribution of it or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify USPowerSolutions Corporation immediately by telephone at (617)547-3800 or via e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and destroy all copies of this communication and any attachments.
Re: Ant to compile and deploy one file
Ant to compile and deploy one fileYou might want to try VAMP (at http://www.geocities.com/vamp201/ant.html - caution, GEOCITIES site! - mousetraps and webbugs!) Configure (at http://www.dsdelft.nl/~lemval/ant/ - files site only, no web page) or CruiseControl (http://cruisecontrol.sourceforge.net/ - this, along with VAMP later is probably what you need) or one of the other ANT External and Tasks (at http://jakarta.apache.org/ant/external.html ) depending on your target platform and IDE. CruiseControl works well, has a gradual learning curve and, has the possibility of integrting with VAMP, AJC or Anakia. I use it for both small and large projects and am beginning to port it to the SF environment for HypersonicSQL/hsqldb for builds. Also, I believe thee are some articles on this at the Netbeans.org site. Michael J. Cannon PM/COO -hsqldb.org, Inc. Michael J. Cannon - Original Message - From: Nusairat, Joseph F. To: Orion-Interest Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 12:35 PM Subject: Ant to compile and deploy one file Hey if i have one file to update is there an easier way to compile it and re jar it??? I am using ant ... and if i have one i can only seem to recompile them alll which takes some time. Joseph Faisal Nusairat, Sr. Project Manager WorldCom tel: 614-723-4232 pager: 888-452-0399 textmsg: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I think, I will start a support site too....
Also this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EJB-Developer this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ejb-future this http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JavaSourcer Actually, It would make more sense as a Yahoo Club, since that would give you video and voice conferencing and test chat w/ whiteboards (as well as more file space). Michael J. Cannon PM/COO - hsqldb.org, Inc. - Original Message - From: Mike Shoemaker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: I think, I will start a support site too Good idea to host it on yahoo. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionserver - Original Message - From: Bill Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: Re: I think, I will start a support site too Another good point on this lousy list. I am unable to comprehend how a mailing list like this could be so bad. Could whoever is responsible for this list please answer one of these threads and explain yourself? This list could be hosted on a free listserver like Yahoo lists with much better results. Is there anyone out there on the list that would be able to host it? We could then just start our own list with a competent administrator and let this one die. I would like to hear more opinions on this so when you get this message in 4 or 5 hours or so, please reply. I am looking forward to your responses, which I should get sometime tomorrow around 12:00 est. Bill Alex Paransky wrote: (in style of Andy Rooney) I see everyone is starting their support sites for Orion. I think it's a poor solution for something that's broken, mainly, this mailing list. How many support sites do we actually have now? Why is it such a problem to keep the mailing list up and running? Now, we need to post the message to at least 3 places to make sure it gets maximum exposure. I think I will start a support site, that posts to all other support sites, just so that people don't have to search various support sites for help. I don't mind so many support sites starting up, I just think they are starting up for poor reasons and fragmenting what little knowledge we already have about this product. What is the problem with the list? Why is it down half the time? I hope it's not running under Orion... -AP_ _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Mercury Interactive to support Oracle 9iASQ
QUOTE Mercury Interactive said new custom Oracle9iAS performance monitors in LoadRunner and Topaz, including a Web server monitor, Enterprise Java Bean monitor and cache server monitor, will allow users to quickly isolate and resolve performance problems before going live, as well as in production. The monitors will be available in September. ENDQUOTE Entire story link at: http://www.internetnews.com/asp-news/article/0,,3411_871721,00.html So, yet another site for support. Having been peripherally involved when MERQ got involved in a software project, here is a place (other than the beach) where we might find IronFlare devoting their time. Also, MERQ engineers are excellent at metrics and tracking down issues with code, so combined with Oracle and IronFlare/OrionServer, there may be some good things coming down the pike. Michael J. Cannon PM/COO -hsqldb.org, Inc.
Re: Reading Properties File
Excellent solution for all of our toolkits. A great service. Thank you, Marcel. - Original Message - From: Marcel Schutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Reading Properties File See the attached files. We use them to read properties files off the applications classpath. The properties files should be in the same directory as the ProjectPropertiesHelper class. This method works in both orion1.5.2 and weblogic6.1 Hope this helps, Marcel - Original Message - From: Naresh Sharma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:50 AM Subject: Reading Properties File Hello Everybody, I have to read a properties file inside my EJB's method(I know the about EJB specs. restriction). As far as I know, to read a properties file in Orion we can specify the name of properties file with -p switch at orion server starting, or copy the properties file in ORION_HOME\lib directory(this directory is included in classpath setting through the manifest file). This solution works for me only if i read the properties file using getResource method of java.lang.Classloader for getting the URL of the resource, but if i use getSystemResource it fails. 1) So what's the difference in between getResource and getSystemResource method of java.lang.Classloader?? I read the java docs for these methods but it is still not very clear to me. Secondly, But In our application we don't want anything like above solution, we wish to include the Properties file in system classpath, and then our EJB should be able to read the properties file. 2) Is this is the right way ?? I tried but it was unsuccessful. May be i am missing something. I couldn't figure out why getSystemResource method is failing in this scenario, where system Classpath contains the conf file. any clue?? Thanks Naresh
Re: I think, I will start a support site too....
I personally think third-party support sites are a good thing. All of them I have seen so far are primarily commercial in nature, in order to counter the complaints of the corporate users that there was no 'credible support.' It's capitalism in action: see a need in the market and meet it. ...as to what the maillist runs, it really doesn't matter. All websites go down...Hotmail, Yahoo, even Slashdot...the rumor - never confirmed - was that it did indeed run on Orionserver. So what? Now you have another place to go when it is down (the new support sites). ...and if Orion is good enough for you to run a web site - (and it is: http:/www.standardset.com/ ) well, it should be good enough for Orion, especially since they developed it and this is one of the 'load and valence test platforms (if it does indeed run on Orion) for the product. Finally, the more info the merrier, and, given the levels of interest and participation by the people who have started these support sites and the support they have shown everyone on this maillist, I don't think any of us are going to suffer. Michael J. Cannon - Original Message - From: Alex Paransky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: I think, I will start a support site too (in style of Andy Rooney) I see everyone is starting their support sites for Orion. I think it's a poor solution for something that's broken, mainly, this mailing list. How many support sites do we actually have now? Why is it such a problem to keep the mailing list up and running? Now, we need to post the message to at least 3 places to make sure it gets maximum exposure. I think I will start a support site, that posts to all other support sites, just so that people don't have to search various support sites for help. I don't mind so many support sites starting up, I just think they are starting up for poor reasons and fragmenting what little knowledge we already have about this product. What is the problem with the list? Why is it down half the time? I hope it's not running under Orion... -AP_
Re: Jive with Orion and HSQL
SQL syntax files are at the 'old site' and in the new v.1.61 download. We're rewriting the 'old site' as we speak for v.1.70 release later this month and for the new, more modular v.2.0 architecture in October. Old site: http://www.hsqldb.org/old_site/hypersonicsql/doc/internet/hSql.html (also has information about the way the .script files and caching works) v.1.61 download: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/hsqldb/hsqldb_v.1.61.zip (first version of the new, more stable hsql/Hypersonic SQL with complete documentation) Also, later this month, we are rolling the improvements to stability, caching and other major bug-fixes that we primarily did for the J2EE and J2 platforms into the hsql trunk, which is primarily aimed at non-Java2 platforms. Orion works fine with the new codebase, as well as our test instances of v.1.5 hsql. I haven't tested Jikes with it yet, but now I will. Email me offline if you have further questions. Michael J. Cannon Project Manager COO - hsqldb.org, Incorporated - Original Message - From: . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Jive with Orion and HSQL I was wondering if you could provide any documents on the syntax of HSQL's .sql files. There is very little documentation about this and I am having trouble porting a .sql for Jive from mysql/oracle to hsql. Thanks, -Randy
Re: Orion support - dead? (slightly OT)
Speaking of which, anybody going to the JAOO Conference in Denmark? Karl will be lecturing there: http://www.jaoo.dk/bigwig/jaoo/Speaker.avedal.html and from the Orionserver Home Page, either Ironflare or Atlassian will be exhibiting there. So anybody going? Michael J. Cannon PM/COO-hsqldb.org, Inc.
Re: JDO in orion?
There's been talk in the past (April, 2001--maillist archives) on issues of Orionserver with Castor. Additionally, there's been somme disccussions on the Serverside.com. Google for JDO orionserver and Orionserver Castor Castor can be found at http://castor.exolab.org Michael J. Cannon PM--hsqldb.org, Inc. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Re: ODBC Access to Hypersonic SQL
I forgot to say that JDBC-ODBC functionality can also be gained by using the HypersonicSQL Transfer Agent (once you have a mapped bridge on both host and client) which is stand-alone. Finally, JDBC-ODBC functionality (as well as documentation for Excel and Access) are planned for v.2.0 in October (or soon thereafter) and reminding you that neither hsql or hsqldb is multi-threading beyond the main and admin/access threads. - Original Message - From: The elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:15 PM Subject: RE: ODBC Access to Hypersonic SQL of these, nogginware is just about bullet proof...and better than sliced bread. Free to test for a month. I have personally used nogginware to transfer data from access to oracle...I believe it was about 800 mb of data. Took about a minute or two. If all you are doing is transfering data...its also free. sun's driver is almost a waste of time (It almost works). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Cannon Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 8:38 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: ODBC Access to Hypersonic SQL Use a JDBC-ODBC Bridge...it'll get you to Access or Excel... Check out www.nogginware.com and some direction sites: Sun's JDBC driver database: http://industry.java.sun.com/products/jdbc/drivers a type 3 Access driver (under LGPL,so it's FREE - beer, pretzels, and speech) http://www.objectweb.org/RmiJdbc/RmiJdbcHomePage.htm The 3-layer approach to Type 3 JDBC-ODBC (sometimes necessary) http://www.jetools.com/products/JET_Proxy/arch.jsp EasySoft's site: http://www.jdbcdriver.com/ Costs USD$800/instance, although I believe they have some kind of educational licenses) Merant's 'DataDirct' line of products: http://www.merant.com/products/datadirect/ (also co$ts) The 'Callaway jdbc link' http://www.aw.com/cseng/titles/0-201-70906-6/callaway16.pdf Michael J. Cannon PM-hsqldb.org, Inc. - Original Message - From: Craig J. Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: ODBC Access to Hypersonic SQL Can a Microsoft Office user access the Hypersonic SQL database within Orion from their desktop via ODBC ? Craig J. Gregory Director of Information Services Blue Mountain Community College 2411 NW Carden Av. Pendleton, OR 97801 (541) 278-5825 Fax (541) 278-5794
Re: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
Here's an alternative on the servlet/JSP front (just starting and in beta, though...with some unique support problems of their own). http://www.rexip.com/pipeline/en/-/-/com.tcc.site.pipeline.news.PublicNews-V iew?catID=1oid=5 Michael J. Cannon - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? While I agree they probably focus on the product, they also have an obligation to support those actually paying to use their product. What I would suggest is they set up a way to hand out license info such as an ID or something, and set up an email form that includes the license ID, etc. Then, respond specifically to those that buy licenses for Orion. This would at least eliminate their need to try to read and reply to all emails, but instead only focus on emails from those that have actual licensed IDs. Using a database, they can even weed out those emails that someone tries sending with a fake id, or invalid id, name and password (after all..you know people would try to get a response from them by doing this). Support for free use of the product I have no problem seeing none of. Support of those that are paying money and using a product in production, that is a different story. The deal with Oracle may have made the team some money, but there are still users paying money to use it as well and they deserve support too. I love Orion...its a fantastic product at a rock bottom price with almost all the features I'd want (although I have to say I am really looking forward to complete EJB 2.0, Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 support). But I have to admit JBoss with its much larger support and more features and nicer looking architecture is looking more promising as an EJB server. Orion is still tops on the servlet/jsp setup, load balancing and performance. -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:02 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? Ironflare consists of less than 5 people. I think its not from them not wanting to respond or ignoring you, but from being very busy. Think about how less than 5 people can create an awesome app server like this, what must their daily schedules look like? I also think they want to stay small and work on their product instead of growing a massive company with a giant support center. They charge such a small amount for such an awsome product probably exactly because they realize they cannot provide you with very good support. Of course you could always buy Oracle 9iAS (which is really Orion) and you'll probably get awesome support, but you'll be paying $4 instead of $1500 for more or less the same product. You decide. -Original Message- From: Troy Heninger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:02 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? I second this! I have tried to report a bug both in bugzilla and email directly to Orion. I have heard absolutely nothing. What's going on? If you find some way to get any response from the company to bug reports please let me know too. Troy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:23 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Why can't orion respond to their customers? (was RE: FW: Logging in to server twice does not work.) My God, this is frustrating. I have tried reporting the bug in bugzilla. I have tried mailing to the list. I have tried mailing Orion directly. All I have received from Orion is complete and utter silence. I have not even gotten a reply saying that the matter is being looked at, or even that my mail has been received. If I had gotten any respnse at all I would not have said this publicly, but since you refuse to acknowledge my mails, I have to ask: Why do you not take your paying customers seriously? Your support is extremely bad. We have production systems running on your server, and we need to know when the bugs will be fixed. yours Christian. Does anyone have any email address the Orion guys will respond to? -Original Message- From: Mike Weissman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 8. august 2001 15:34 To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: FW: Logging in to server twice does not work. Christian, We never found a way around this, we run from an applet. we were able to use the RMIContextfactory and have repeated login attempts. We have also abandoned rmi lookups due to performance and are going towards a messaging paradigm for communication. mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In think
Re: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers?Or, you could contract with Atalassian/Dadrion Consulting or Ejip.net for incident support (or with any of the Open Symphony folks that are available for contract) or advertise for consultants/help here...I'm sure there are folks who have some spare bandwidth to help with your particular problem. Another idea might be that we set up a OrionSIG (as has been suggested before) with a RFC / RFQ marketplace for those that don't want to pay USD$75 - USD $200 /per incident. Or, as was suggested earlier, you could buy Oracle's product and contract with them. Michael J. Cannon PM-hsqldb.org, Inc. - Original Message - From: Nusairat, Joseph F. To: Orion-Interest Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? Or better yet have 2 licences The one they have now ... and allow u to buy a service package that allows u to clal them up ... since lots of places do that that way it will keep the initial licence cheaper -Original Message- From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:23 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? While I agree they probably focus on the product, they also have an obligation to support those actually paying to use their product. What I would suggest is they set up a way to hand out license info such as an ID or something, and set up an email form that includes the license ID, etc. Then, respond specifically to those that buy licenses for Orion. This would at least eliminate their need to try to read and reply to all emails, but instead only focus on emails from those that have actual licensed IDs. Using a database, they can even weed out those emails that someone tries sending with a fake id, or invalid id, name and password (after all..you know people would try to get a response from them by doing this). Support for free use of the product I have no problem seeing none of. Support of those that are paying money and using a product in production, that is a different story. The deal with Oracle may have made the team some money, but there are still users paying money to use it as well and they deserve support too. I love Orion...its a fantastic product at a rock bottom price with almost all the features I'd want (although I have to say I am really looking forward to complete EJB 2.0, Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 support). But I have to admit JBoss with its much larger support and more features and nicer looking architecture is looking more promising as an EJB server. Orion is still tops on the servlet/jsp setup, load balancing and performance. -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:02 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? Ironflare consists of less than 5 people. I think its not from them not wanting to respond or ignoring you, but from being very busy. Think about how less than 5 people can create an awesome app server like this, what must their daily schedules look like? I also think they want to stay small and work on their product instead of growing a massive company with a giant support center. They charge such a small amount for such an awsome product probably exactly because they realize they cannot provide you with very good support. Of course you could always buy Oracle 9iAS (which is really Orion) and you'll probably get awesome support, but you'll be paying $4 instead of $1500 for more or less the same product. You decide. -Original Message- From: Troy Heninger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:02 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? I second this! I have tried to report a bug both in bugzilla and email directly to Orion. I have heard absolutely nothing. What's going on? If you find some way to get any response from the company to bug reports please let me know too. Troy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:23 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Why can't orion respond to their customers? (was RE: FW: Logging in to server twice does not work.) My God, this is frustrating. I have tried reporting the bug in bugzilla. I have tried mailing to the list. I have tried mailing Orion directly. All I have received from Orion is complete and utter silence. I have not even gotten a reply saying that the matter is being looked at, or even that my mail has been received. If I had gotten any respnse at all I would not have said this publicly, but since you refuse to acknowledge my mails, I have to ask: Why do you not take your paying customers seriously? Your support is extremely bad. We have production systems running on your
Re: Too Many Open Files?
Would there be interest in a Webmin .wbm module for this and other functionality (also might open the db and console in the web page). Of course, would be SSL enabled. Mike - Original Message - From: Curt Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Too Many Open Files? What about being able to open port 80 as non-root? curt Eddie Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/08/01 11:38AM My experience to overcome this problem: Make absolutely sure you don't run Orion as root, such that all java processes are killed nicely and they don't keep on running. They told me that even with su -, java sees the real owner the initiated this (I still have to get deeper into this). After I just started Orion from the command prompt as normal user, this problem disappeared. I used to start Orion with su - in a start-up script. Eddie
Re: Why can't orion respond to their customers?
Download it...no pricing available yet, but interesting nonetheless...even if only because it's the only app-server to be written with Chinese dialects AND English as the defaults (Korean is available, too, supposedly) Interesting interfaces, developers environment, and it does serve up HTML, and can be extended for XHTML, XML, perl and php (at least on windows). I'm doing the site testing and benchmarks now...the JDO beta (also available on the site) is Oracle only, though, so THAT'S gonna have to change (to kdb and hsqldb, of course!) They claim that they are the fastest and most scalable on all available platforms for JSPs and servlets...we'll see...others might wanna do benchmarks too, since there's the chance NONE of us might be able to publish them. Michael J. Cannon PM-hsqldb.org, Inc. - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? Interesting..but no info on pricing at all. Plus, it doesn't seem to have a built in web server, so you have to plug it into a web server. This isn't bad, but our entire site is JSP based..so I would want an integrated web server. -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:19 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Why can't orion respond to their customers? Here's an alternative on the servlet/JSP front (just starting and in beta, though...with some unique support problems of their own). http://www.rexip.com/pipeline/en/-/-/com.tcc.site.pipeline.new s.PublicNews-V iew?catID=1oid=5 Michael J. Cannon - Original Message - From: Duffey, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? While I agree they probably focus on the product, they also have an obligation to support those actually paying to use their product. What I would suggest is they set up a way to hand out license info such as an ID or something, and set up an email form that includes the license ID, etc. Then, respond specifically to those that buy licenses for Orion. This would at least eliminate their need to try to read and reply to all emails, but instead only focus on emails from those that have actual licensed IDs. Using a database, they can even weed out those emails that someone tries sending with a fake id, or invalid id, name and password (after all..you know people would try to get a response from them by doing this). Support for free use of the product I have no problem seeing none of. Support of those that are paying money and using a product in production, that is a different story. The deal with Oracle may have made the team some money, but there are still users paying money to use it as well and they deserve support too. I love Orion...its a fantastic product at a rock bottom price with almost all the features I'd want (although I have to say I am really looking forward to complete EJB 2.0, Servlet 2.3 and JSP 1.2 support). But I have to admit JBoss with its much larger support and more features and nicer looking architecture is looking more promising as an EJB server. Orion is still tops on the servlet/jsp setup, load balancing and performance. -Original Message- From: Aaron Tavistock [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 11:02 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? Ironflare consists of less than 5 people. I think its not from them not wanting to respond or ignoring you, but from being very busy. Think about how less than 5 people can create an awesome app server like this, what must their daily schedules look like? I also think they want to stay small and work on their product instead of growing a massive company with a giant support center. They charge such a small amount for such an awsome product probably exactly because they realize they cannot provide you with very good support. Of course you could always buy Oracle 9iAS (which is really Orion) and you'll probably get awesome support, but you'll be paying $4 instead of $1500 for more or less the same product. You decide. -Original Message- From: Troy Heninger [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:02 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Why can't orion respond to their customers? I second this! I have tried to report a bug both in bugzilla and email directly to Orion. I have heard absolutely nothing. What's going on? If you find some way to get any response from
Re: ODBC Access to Hypersonic SQL
Use a JDBC-ODBC Bridge...it'll get you to Access or Excel... Check out www.nogginware.com and some direction sites: Sun's JDBC driver database: http://industry.java.sun.com/products/jdbc/drivers a type 3 Access driver (under LGPL,so it's FREE - beer, pretzels, and speech) http://www.objectweb.org/RmiJdbc/RmiJdbcHomePage.htm The 3-layer approach to Type 3 JDBC-ODBC (sometimes necessary) http://www.jetools.com/products/JET_Proxy/arch.jsp EasySoft's site: http://www.jdbcdriver.com/ Costs USD$800/instance, although I believe they have some kind of educational licenses) Merant's 'DataDirct' line of products: http://www.merant.com/products/datadirect/ (also co$ts) The 'Callaway jdbc link' http://www.aw.com/cseng/titles/0-201-70906-6/callaway16.pdf Michael J. Cannon PM-hsqldb.org, Inc. - Original Message - From: Craig J. Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:53 PM Subject: ODBC Access to Hypersonic SQL Can a Microsoft Office user access the Hypersonic SQL database within Orion from their desktop via ODBC ? Craig J. Gregory Director of Information Services Blue Mountain Community College 2411 NW Carden Av. Pendleton, OR 97801 (541) 278-5825 Fax (541) 278-5794
Re: Test
Test received... Chicago, IL USA RCN is the ISP Also at 3rd level from Kattare Internet Michael J. Cannon hsqldb.org, Inc. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Magnus Rydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Re: Test Another test - Original Message - From: Karl Avedal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Test Another test mail, please ignore. -Karl
Re: Orion Friendly E-Commerce Components
Try the Expresso Framework... http://www.jcorporate.com/components/internal/projframe.jsp?category=65 Mike - Original Message - From: xbill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Orion Friendly E-Commerce Components Thanks fot the suggestion. I already looked at the pet store- it is a great introduction to the various Java technologies- but it does need extensive modification for re-use. I am looking for something more off the shelf like the BEA E-Commerce suite, the ATG components, or the components can be used with OpenJoda (http://www.xo3.com). The key feature that I am looking for is that the components run well with Orion as the EJB container. thanks, -bill Claudio Cordova wrote: You can install the Java Pet Store from Sun and modify it. It's a complete j2ee ecommerce system. Claudio
Re: Apache and Orion
So why use Apache? The Orionserver will serve up static http pages...I've looked and tehre are no issues I can see that Orion won't handle with regards the content 9i and the v.11/12 Oracle Apps... This is not meant as a criticism or flame...it's for my info, as I also support Oracle and have no prob running w/ just the OrionServer (w/ out Apache). Of course, all my apps are written to run that way. What does Apache do for Oracle that Orion can't do better? Michael J. Cannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Gurinder Randhawa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: RE: Apache and Orion I am running an orion cluster behind a load balancer and Apache at the front end on same machine, its on a test system so theirs no real load. We are using Oracles 9i Application Server. We use Apache for oracle reports and SSL and of course serving up static content etc. The problem is with mod_proxy which is just plain slow. Oracle is coming out with a ojp protocol which is based on ajp13 which will solve my problems, but until then (late october) I wanted to use Orion but it just doesn't integrate well with apache. Any suggestions ? No i haven't tried the tunnelServlet, I will look into that. I was just wondering if anyone else has this kind of setup. Note we are using Oracle's OC4J (which is essentially orion). They bought Orion and popped it into their next release of application server. Regards Gurinder elephantwalker [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 07/10/2001 08:45:30 PM Please respond to Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Gurinder Randhawa/Travel Underwriters) Subject: RE: Apache and Orion Have you tried using the tunnelServlet to pass all static requests to Apache? Its a little bass-ackwards, but orion could be faster than apache in this respect. Also, are you running orion, the loadbalancer, and apache on the same machine? This could be just a load issue. Lastly, orion is generally faster than apache at serving up static content. There are very good reasons for using apache for static content, though, that have nothing to do with speed. (For example, you have one ssl cert for apache, and you don't want to pay for another one for orion.). regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gurinder Randhawa Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 7:36 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Apache and Orion Is anyone using Apache as a front end to Orion. I find that using mod_proxy to forward web application requests is quite slow compared to using tomcat. Does anyone know if there is something else i can use beside mod_proxy for Apache to serve static pages and orion to serve my web applications ? I do need to use Apache as a front end server. I am also using a loadbalancer and a cluster for my orion setup behind apache. Any help would be much appreciated Gurinder
RE: Orion beginer's question
RE: First, hsql has been hand-changed and now SourceForge is taking care of it... Link is http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net or http://www.hsqldb.org Now, the above observation by Mr. Kumar is not entirely true. The author of hsql/HypersonicSQL, Thomas Mueller, was maintaining his code at SourceForge for 6 months while he tried to get other developers interested. Now, the original hsql is a lapsed project (it's creator/maintainer transferred the code from http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsql to hsqldb under the same license) and hsqldb is maintaining the original codebase, while expanding on Thomas' extraordinary work. Ironflare and OrionServer's authors, however have included hsql in OrionServer, so you don't need to download it. The OrionServer creators have also included a guide to use hsql in the 'docs' directory of the Orionserver download, calling it 'hsql-howto.html' One correction to that doc: do your download from http://ftp1.sourceforge.net/hsqldb/hsql_143.zip . This is the latest (although not the last) version of hsql, v.1.43 It is a complete download, including documentation. If all you want is the .jar file, that will be available soon in our files section at: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=23316 You're welcome to use hsqldb, but I would suggest holding off if you are a beginner, until you are more familiar with data sources and the Orion way of doing things. All others in the Orion community are welcome to contribute to the hsqldb/hsql community as they have time/inclination. Oh, and a VERY hearty 'Congratulations!' and 'Well done!' to the folks at IronFlare, for their victory in assisting the Oracle corporation in seeing the light! Michael J. Cannon PM/COO - hsqldb.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of g vasantha kumar Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 8:17 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Orion beginer's question hi first , hsql has been hand-changed and now source forge takes care of it.u better get it at sourceforge.net.it's good for all demos that come with orion. to get a feel for ejb, try running the petstore demo from java.sun.com on a j2ee server and u'd really appreciate it.and with cloudscape database, do let me know what ur exact problem is.i'll try correcting. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
RE: Searching for a web host
Verio dedicated hosting...or kattare Internet Stay away from Earthlink and RUN away from CI-hosting Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vidur Dhanda Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:01 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Searching for a web host Hi, Can anyone recommend a web hosting service in the US that would be suitable for running Orion. TIA, Vidur
RE: SOAP/WSDL support?
Gottabe xerxes. After their victory in the W3C, IBM borged XML4J and handed the dregs to Apache. Xerxes is required. Apache doesn't know from Crimson or JAXP (although the XP model leapfrogs SOAP for Java, as per the comments in JSR101). Right now, if you want ApacheSOAP, you gotta break Orion's optimization. From the ApacheSOAP page: Apache-SOAP requires Apache Xerces (Java) version 1.1.2 or later. These versions support the DOM level 2 candidate recommendation which provides namespace support. If you have any other XML parsers (or other JAR files which may have the org.w3c.dom.* interfaces), then it is very important that you place the JAR file xerces.jar from Xerces at the front of your classpath. Apache-SOAP will not work otherwise. and: While it is possible to use another parser, the current codebase does not support making this change conveniently; hence the mechanism is not documented here. The link is here: http://xml.apache.org/websrc/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/xml-soap/java/docs/instal l/index.html (hope that wraps properly.) My experiences with SOAP on WebSphere, JRun, Oracle and the BEAst, is that its like a side of beef followed by a pound of bacon, followed by a quadruple-decker banana split without the fruit, washed down with a gallon of buttermilk: it may sound appetizing, byut in the long run, it just serves to clog things up. (joke folks, for the humor impaired). It's big, fat, slow and UGLY. With JAXP/Crimson and the various XSLT implementations, as well as JMS and JAXM (WG/JSR 67) and XML-RPC (WG/JSR 101) as well as JSR 102 (JDOM 1.0), JSR 104 (XML TRUST) and JSR/WG 95 (J2EE Services for Extended Transactions), we get FAR MORE than the W3C gave us. Keep in mind (in becomes clearer when you analyze the Executive Committee voting records) that SOAP is seen by the WAS vendors as an 'additional service' for which they can charge a lot of additional money. For IBM, it will be MQSeries, for the BEAst, more connectors, and for Oracle, well that will further their drive to 'increase prfits and improve margins (sic).' XML-RPC is the way to go, not SOAP. SOAP is simply what pieces of XML-RPC Microsoft let us have. They lost in court and they're back to their old 'embrace-extend-extinguish' tricks, this time cheered on by their former rivals, who see nothing but bigger margins. Which would you rather have. Pieces of proprietary classes, or the whole schmeer as a true Java API? Or, to put it in the words of Dave Winer, (the creator of XML-RPC and co-creator of SOAP) candidly at a Web conference before Microsoft fully suborned him: SOAP is for dopes. Now, here's the Java way for J2EE, from the Blueprint: http://java.sun.com/features/2001/02/xmlj2ee.html and more: http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/onlineTraining/protocolhandlers/ (watch that wrap, again) and, finally, the WAS vendors, in all their nastiness: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/communityprocess/vote/jsr/jsr_101.html Looking at the Apoache Project's XML pages, though, looks like the pressure is on Sun to knuckle under, or Apache's gonna take it's ball and go home: The Crimson codebase is based on the Sun Project X parser. It is also the parser currently shipping in Sun products; however, the future plan is to move to a different codebase called Xerces Java 2. Xerces 2 is currently under development. [Link to Xerces 2, once a project page has been created.] from: http://xml.apache.org/crimson/ If I got a vote (which none of us do) it would be to wait and follow the JCS and spend the time optimizing Orion for EJB and JSP and servlets and XHTML DOM. FASTER, smaller, better. For those that want all of the functions of Apache/Tomcat with all of its stability and speed (heheheheheh), use that, or follow the directions above to implement Xerxes and SOAP for JRun. It should work for 1.4.7 and 1.4.8. Speed is good. Simple is better. Both are best. Go Magnus and Karl. dedmike mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Cannon-Brookes Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:30 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: SOAP/WSDL support? Kevin, Orion 1.4.8 supports JAXP 1.1 and removes the need for Xerces. (It updates to the latest Xalan, and also uses Crimson). Not sure how this affects your ApacheSOAP stuff (sounds interesting - any URLs to read up?) -mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Duffey, Kevin Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 11:59 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: SOAP/WSDL support? Hey all, I am wondering why it is Orion still uses an old version of xerces.jar and such. There are a number of new things that I can't do with their shipping version of xerces.jar. Anyways, I think (if the Orion team reads this), that adding support for SOAP using ApacheSOAP would be a great feature. Having built in support for running SOAP services (with
RE: broken default web app - not found
working on it...2morrow shud havee it sussed... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of joey sark Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:56 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: broken default web app - not found I managed to deploy a website/app but in so doing, broke the default website with all the nice jsp examples. I would like to use that default app to test and learn about jsp and plug modified versions into my app. now i get this error from orion: Error initializing site Default Orion WebSite: No application named 'default' found in the server how do i unbreak the default web app and keep it working alongside my app - and KISS? thanks in advance. Joey, newbie in distress relevent config files: orion/config/server.xml: ... global-application name=pussycat path=application.xml / !-- global-application name=default path=application.xml / can't do this-- global-web-app-config path=global-web-application.xml / web-site path=./pussycat-web-site.xml / web-site path=./default-web-site.xml / ... orion/config/application.xml: ... orion-application web-module id=pussycat path=../applications/pussycat / web-module id=defaultWebApp path=../applications/default-web-app / ... orion/config/default-web-site.xml: ... web-site host=[all] port=80 display-name=Default Orion WebSite default-web-app application=default name=defaultWebApp / /web-site orion/config/pussycat-web-site.xml: ... web-site host=[all] port=80 display-name=Pussycat Web Study virtual-hosts=localhost default-web-app application=pussycat name=pussycat / !-- default-web-app application=pussycat name=defaultWebApp / can't do this-- ... /web-site server.xml: ... application-server application-directory=../applications deployment-directory=../application-deployments ... global-application name=pussycat path=application.xml / !-- global-application name=default path=application.xml / can't do this-- global-web-app-config path=global-web-application.xml / web-site path=./pussycat-web-site.xml / web-site path=./default-web-site.xml / ... end Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1
RE: Orion support company
Oh, well...for anyone that HASN'T made up their minds: for most problems in a J2EE dev environment, 3-day turnaround (remember the 3-days is the guarantee, not the actual time-to-fulfillment) and single-incident or incident packs are sufficient. For the truly paranoid, monthly subscriptions are available, but the contracting company must price them far more expensively, because the company must ensure that they have the requisite bandwidth. Also keep in mind that this list still exists, and people do get problems solved here. If I had to recommend to a client on engagement, I would say to try the single-incident, since I would also assure that I had experienced, capable, J2EE developers on hand for the project. If it were truly a rapid-development project, I would recommend a monthly subscription for the development effort, which would mean _one_month_. I think this is good news, because Cadrion is a Cable and Wireless Company and I believe that this would be sufficient, even for my largest, most paranoid clients. As to the poster's cost estimates, obviously, this person hasn't recently done business with the BEAst or tried to develop legally under their licenses (not to mention with their latest offeringbleee). ...and let us not forget that BEA forced Orion to take their offerings out of the Orion benchmarks because Orion beat them soundly in every instance. dedmike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Somewhere . . . Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:20 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Orion support company Good news unless you need it. The cost for same day support runs $8650 per month. Two months worth and you've got a single cpu license for WebLogic, which, by the way, comes with support. Their insane if you ask me. Original Message Follows From: Bernard Sauterel Reply-To: Orion-Interest To: Orion-Interest Subject: Orion support company Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:30:09 +0200 I wonder if somebody saw on Orion web site, that there's now an official support company: Cadrion. For me it's good news. On Mec, 25 avr 2001, Joseph B. Ottinger wrote: The list is DEAD? NO MAILS!??! OH NO! ORION HAS BEEN SOLD TO BEA AFTER ALL! On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 12:56:21PM +0200, Ismael wrote: Hi all, Is the list still running? The number of mails received have decreased to 0 !!! Are you still there?? -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
RE: Charting/Graphing libraries
Batik works, but you need a plug-in to interpret the SVG on the client (although you could pass an applet to the client, too). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Burns Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:36 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Charting/Graphing libraries Hi, One thing I have read about is Batik http://xml.apache.org/batik/index.html. It uses SVG which is an XML-based vector graphics library. I plan to use this product in a coming project, and would love to hear if anyone else out there is using it. Best, Tim -- Tim Burns http://tim.owlmountain.com Senior Software Engineer Object Computing Inc. http://www.ociweb.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Van Dooren, Damian Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 7:46 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Charting/Graphing libraries Does anyone have any suggestions for a good charting/graphing library to use within a servlet to generate jpgs or gifs preferably from XML data. Thanks. - Damian Van Dooren Information Technology The Investment Centre
RE: JSP server configuration
Alby and Randy, Alby, the ISP is set up not to 'proxy' or filter the .jsps. You may put them in your normal '/public' or 'hatever' directories, and use the appserver by specifying the port it responds to. The ':8080' notation is necessary for the .jsps to work. I know this causes problems for some of your customers, but it is the way the ISP is set up and only they can change it, especially using this configuration. Randy, you hit the nail on the head; in your case, the appserver was set up to expect .jsp and binariy apps to be in a specific directory or directories (or maybe NOT in a specific directory, ie. 'HTML' was for static HTML pages). Now for some info: 1. JSPs are servlet code, embedded in HTML ... you need to tell the app server that executes them what to do...most servers allow you to do this in only a limited number of directories or by specifying a specific port, separate from the httpd. JSP are different from ASP and HTML. OTOH, in-line ASP on an IIS server needs to be in a directory configured to run it as an ASP script. (Same with mod-perl and PHP on NT, too, BTW). 2. The :8080 that Alby puts after her URL is supposed to redirect requests for pages to the appserver. If you try to run those pages in the webserver, unless it is properly configured (see the notes on using Apache as a front end for Orion in http://orionsupport.com) it will treat the JSPs as binaries (especially in NT) and send the message to the client-browser, initating a download. There are two ways to configure the webserver to pass the JSP to the appserver: in-line modules (in IIS/NT this is possibly called an ISAPI filter, depending on your setup) or a proxy mod (or using a separate port, but there we are again!). Your ISP needs to instruct you better and send you more information on their setups. You need to better research the technologies you are using, in order to ask the right questions and understand the answers. dedmike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp Randy-W18971 Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 9:08 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: JSP server configuration Hello, Alby. I recently ran into a similar problem, when I tried to set up LiteWebServer (www.gefionsoftware.com) for our DreamWeaver Ultradev developers to use for testing JSP pages. It all boils down to the directory used (context directory). If the directory is set up for just HTML, it will cause the jsp application to download. If it is set up for JSP, it will execute it. For example, in lite web server, there is a directory called HTML. If I place the JSP pages there, it causes the application to prompt for a download. For the JSP directory, I created one called Oracle under HTML/examples/JSP/Oracle, and the application works fine. Why this is happening, I don't know. Perhaps some more seasoned JSP experts can enlighten us. -Original Message- From: Alby Peter Panikulangara [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 7:43 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: JSP server configuration Hi, I am new to jsp. recently i tried to put my website with as isp in US, they offers jsp servlet support in NT server with IIS Netscape Server.For jsp they advised me to use the url like http://websiteurl:8080/test.jsp, in this case the file executes fine, but if i type http://websiteurl/test.jsp the file is getting dowloaded to the pc. This is the case same with servlets. i would like to know how to rectify this configuration problem. with regards Alby
RE: A Swedish Idea
k please continue to monitor for yourselves, all ye list-lubbers. if it is a problem, and we can fix it, post here or at the bug-tracker. I'll credit where it's due. If anyone has this overwrite problem, or sees other bugs in hsql/hsqldb, let us know, please. site is http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsqldb web http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net dedmike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Neville Burnell Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 10:10 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea the autoupdate delivering an old hsql.jar *was* a problem - but now since the hsqldb package name has changed, the hsql.jar is not used and I just ignore it. -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, 19 April 2001 12:29 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea hmmm...autoupdate...Magnus, Carl? what do we need to include in hsqldb to prevent this? (Credit to you Stan and whoever else contributes)... dedmike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:00 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea At first a zillion people picked up the continued development of HypersonicSQL (because it's *awesome* for development, but anyway... SourceForge was flooded with clones, but I believe that everyone got together and the de facto successor is now http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/ I recently tried it out with my Orion project. Works great, just needed to copy the hsqldb.jar into /orion/lib and update driver references hsql to hsqldb in the orion/config/data-sources.xml. Of course, now autoupdate keeps copying over the old hsql.jar that I deleted, but that's a whole different matter... - Original Message - From: "Jay Armstrong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Given that HypersonicSQL is currently not being maintained (is it?), it seems like a logical idea to find a good substitute and MySQL would probably be a nice fit. Personally, I love HSQL and, now that tax season is over here in the United Socialist States of America, I plan to budget some time to help with that.
RE: A Swedish Idea
RE: OSS is like the turtles. They slowly craw along, and the best eventually get there. ...and here I thought "the Turtles" were a band, too. You know, '_So_Happy_Together_' The band Flo and Eddie played for before the Vanilla Fudge and the Mothers and after their first try at solo stardom? [:^b dedmike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp Randy-W18971 Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:49 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea OSS is like the turtles. They slowly craw along, and the best eventually get there. In the early days, folks would say "Apache who"? Oh yes, that's the opening band for the Beatles. Postgresql? Is that what Goldilocks ate in the three bears? And these are the same people who, when they first heard the name Beatles, they said "call the bug exterminator." And when they heard the name Rolling Stones, they say, "where's the avalanche?" -Original Message- From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:03 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea flamebait Unlike all those OSS products huh. /flamebait On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: It has been said that if Bill Gates stopped to pick up a hundred dollar bill, he would be losing money. On a more serious note, it's really not the Bill company code so much, as their practice of releasing alpha or beta quality products as production quality. -Original Message- From: Jay Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:06 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Generally, I agree with the comment about Micro$oft quality of code, though I've seen some pretty horrible code from outside the US, too. :) Bill Gates may be from the US, but Micro$oft employees come from all over the world. Visit Redmond, WA, USA and you'll see for yourself. At 09:50 AM 4/19/01 +0200, you wrote: And Micro$oft programmers are from...? I suppose that the country they're from produce the shittiest code of em all :) Johan - Original Message - From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Personally, I'm becoming more and more convinced that not only is Sweden full of lousy programmers, but they're all lousy in congruent ways just to make the rest of the world's jobs harder. I say we all start using Bavarian products, if only because Bavarian names seem to have a better vowel/consonant ratio. Say, Randy... what country are YOU from? (That's the leading indicator for quality of code...) On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 08:49:24AM -0500, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up brainstorms to promote Orion, but it occurred to me that both Mysql and Orion are in Sweden. Now I don't know how big Sweden is, but perhaps a meeting between the two teams could find ways to mutually promote or bridge the two products. Just a thought. Speaking of Sweden, since Rickard O. from Jboss lives there, does anyone know of Magnus or Karl have meet him? In once sense, but Jboss and Orion are trying to make this EJB technology available to more people. -- --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
RE: A Swedish Idea
Not to mention that the thingy (I won't call it a database) that he uses for the 'real stuff' come with the curse of the 'Oracle Marketing Ghoul' the famous shifting license, and numerous other scary things. 8-(;^b I DO believe that MySQL (through mmSQL, as well as the Berkeley stuff) supports J2EE in a 'not-even-good-enough-for-gubbmint-work' way. Sadly, HyperSonicSQL/hsqldb does not support a full set of J2EE, or JDBC 2.0, or SQL92 for that matter, by itself. But we're working on it (we really, really are!). The advantage we have over MySQL is that we are Java, 100%, and therefore, MUCH easier to work with and communicate with, if you're a Java developer. BTW, any of you OTHER MySQL zealots want to discuss the upcoming Gemini release? I can't find any specifics on it other than it is GPL and builds on the MySQL codebase. dedmike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:24 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea Argh, I really did try hard not to respond, but I can resist no longer... 'it's good enough for NASA' means nothing, nor is it relevant. Win98 is good enough for many 'respected' corporations, that does not mean we should all follow suit. Horses for courses, my friend. Mysql does not support transactions, which are REQUIRED for J2EE. It's 'good enough' for certain types of applications, however, it is NOT good enough for J2EE. End of discussion. I think you're working off of a very false assumption, which seems to go like this: I like technology X I like technology Y Technology X and technology Y must get married, to form technology Z that I will think is the nest thing since sliced bread. Sadly, while there's nothing wrong with the first two steps, the third seems to be a bit of aleap of faith. Hani On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Transactions are supported with the Berkeley transaction engine in the current Mysql release. A prior user has answered how to set this up. Kiddie database? Did you tell Nasa that? They made a recent (Dec. 2000, I believe) decision to use Mysql in some of their business systems (hopefully, not the space modules). Yes, others like postgresql are more advanced, but mysql is as good as hsql, and would be a good modeling, prototype database. For the record, I use both mysql (for testing and prototyping) and Oracle 8I (for the real stuff). And everyone can learn from them in how to write good documentation. -Original Message- From: Dan North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:08 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Ok, I'll bite. Orion is not an open source product and probably never will be. The fact that it is free for development purposes and remarkably inexpensive for deployment shouldn't alter your perception of (a) the ownership and proprietary nature of the code, or (b) the quality of the product. MySQL is a quick and dirty database. It has a number of glaring omissions compared to most grown-up RDBs (transactions and sub-selects to name but two), and there are better open source products out there (Interbase and PostgreSQL spring to mind) for scalability, robustness, data integrity, yada yada yada. Therefore not the ideal companion for a product built to support a technology that is all of these things. Use a kiddie database if you must, but please don't inflict it on the rest of us! Cheers, Dan/tastapod ps. LogicSphere - mmm - can't wait! At 10:17 18/04/2001 -0400, you wrote: Why?!?! I have an idea, why don't IBM and BEA team up and release...logicsphere! After all, they're both US companies... On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote: Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up brainstorms to promote Orion, but it occurred to me that both Mysql and Orion are in Sweden. Now I don't know how big Sweden is, but perhaps a meeting between the two teams could find ways to mutually promote or bridge the two products. Just a thought. Speaking of Sweden, since Rickard O. from Jboss lives there, does anyone know of Magnus or Karl have meet him? In once sense, but Jboss and Orion are trying to make this EJB technology available to more people. -- Dan North VP Development - Cadrion Technologies Ltd - +44 (0)20 7440 9550 CONFIDENTIALITY This e-mail and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the named recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to another person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: A Swedish Idea
hmmm...autoupdate...Magnus, Carl? what do we need to include in hsqldb to prevent this? (Credit to you Stan and whoever else contributes)... dedmike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 3:00 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea At first a zillion people picked up the continued development of HypersonicSQL (because it's *awesome* for development, but anyway... SourceForge was flooded with clones, but I believe that everyone got together and the de facto successor is now http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/ I recently tried it out with my Orion project. Works great, just needed to copy the hsqldb.jar into /orion/lib and update driver references hsql to hsqldb in the orion/config/data-sources.xml. Of course, now autoupdate keeps copying over the old hsql.jar that I deleted, but that's a whole different matter... - Original Message - From: "Jay Armstrong" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 9:35 AM Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Given that HypersonicSQL is currently not being maintained (is it?), it seems like a logical idea to find a good substitute and MySQL would probably be a nice fit. Personally, I love HSQL and, now that tax season is over here in the United Socialist States of America, I plan to budget some time to help with that.
RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user...
and in case you don't want to mix M$ and Java (mainly because M$ is a suspect platform, given C# and the Sun suit), you might try at AlphaWorks (http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com. Especially something like Caribbean (http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/aw.nsf/frame?ReadForm/aw.nsf/techmain/DA6EC6 F79B61F68B8825695400664D79 Soap is REALLY bloated in most implementations I've seen, slows down the server and seems to be, on the whole, rather kludgy. XML-RPC is MUCH better at this, but takes some study. Not trying to create a flame war, Jeff. Just don't trust the source of the technology, and the implementations, thus far, are not very impressive, especially in an environment like ORION. Plus, mixing vb and Java makes me feel...I dunno...ill-at-ease, to be polite? Michael Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Schnitzer Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:12 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user... Given that he has a smart/fat client, I don't think the web form is the way to go. It's a square peg for a round hole. Alex, when you execute a successful RoleManager.login(), whatever user information Orion keeps is automaticaly taken care of. All you need to do is make sure you maintain the session id in either a cookie or a rewritten url (;jsessionid=ASDFGHIJKL) in your requests. You don't need to explicitly create a session in the JSP, either. If you subsequently want to get the user name or programmatically check security, use the getCallerPrincipal() or isCallerInRole() methods on the servlet context or ejb context objects. You'll need to watch out for session timeouts in your client. You should seriously consider using SOAP. That is designed for exactly what you're trying to do. There is a free Apache implementation that you could probably get running under Orion, and VB will do all the client work for you. Jeff -Original Message- From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:07 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user... Thanks for your help, I think I am getting closer, here is what I plan to do: 1. Create a specific login .JSP page which will: a. validate the user b. create a session c. configure the "user" attribute to the user object d. return session id to the client 2. Client passes the session id on every call as a part of the url Why go through any of 1? J2EE does all this for you. All you need to do is use form auth. Have your login page return whatever xml is required to show the VB login box. So whenever you request a protected resource, the login box will pop up. Disable cookies in the webapp, and then read in the JSESSIONID from the url and just make sure it's in every future request, so the servlet container knows where to find your authenticated session. Again, the only part of the above which I am not sure about is 1c... Thanks. -AP_ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Juan Lorandi (Chile) Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:26 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user... Alex, I have a few questions and comments, 1. Which HTTPSession are you using? Orion's or your own? I recommend Orion's, tough one on the developments here uses a home-brewn session management. This forces us to include a few lines of code (with a taglib) in almost every page. Also, this renders Orion's J2EE security useless (Orion's HTTPSession has a User field where it stores either null (not authenticated) or a User reference to know the session Identity. 2. How are you authenticating a user? I presume you aren't right now. I would go with this: a. A Custom UserManager(for DB persistence, kinda like DataSourceUserManager, but yours) b. No custom SessionManager. (Orion has this declared as a public interface, but has no means to know which is the desired implementation; pity, session management,URL rewriting, and session + auth integration is not complaint to standards but purely propietary) c. a custom login action jsp/servlet. It takes username and password paramters and returns a session ID; this might be a cookie or URL rewriting (you can disable cookies in orion-web.xml) d. every new call has either a cookie field set on the HTTP header or a URL rewrite in the form of: http://somehost/somepath/somepage.jsp?a_Whole_Lotta_Params;jses sionid=SOMESE SSIONID That's it. 3. Are the client and the server in a LAN? Why not using JIntegra, J2EE CAS or SOAP4j + SOAP Toolkit to integrate them? I think basically your problem is that your HTTP Session is propietary and not seamlessly integrated with Orion. All we all would need to
RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user...
But of course, since he's already USING VB, that point is moot...
BOY! I can be an idiot sometimes...
Sorry, Jeff.
but I still don't like the looks of SOAP yet. the bloat is really
bothersome.
Oh, and my MTA mucked the URL for Caribbean, for those of you who are
interested.
}}Slinking back to my hole, tail between my legs.{{
Michael J. Cannon
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J.
Cannon
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 1:22 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user...
and in case you don't want to mix M$ and Java (mainly because M$ is a
suspect platform, given C# and the Sun suit), you might try at AlphaWorks
(http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com. Especially something like Caribbean
(http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/aw.nsf/frame?ReadForm/aw.nsf/techm
ain/DA6EC6
F79B61F68B8825695400664D79
Soap is REALLY bloated in most implementations I've seen, slows down the
server and seems to be, on the whole, rather kludgy. XML-RPC is
MUCH better
at this, but takes some study.
Not trying to create a flame war, Jeff. Just don't trust the
source of the
technology, and the implementations, thus far, are not very impressive,
especially in an environment like ORION. Plus, mixing vb and
Java makes me
feel...I dunno...ill-at-ease, to be polite?
Michael Cannon
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Schnitzer
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:12 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user...
Given that he has a smart/fat client, I don't think the web form is the
way to go. It's a square peg for a round hole.
Alex, when you execute a successful RoleManager.login(), whatever user
information Orion keeps is automaticaly taken care of. All you need to
do is make sure you maintain the session id in either a cookie or a
rewritten url (;jsessionid=ASDFGHIJKL) in your requests. You don't need
to explicitly create a session in the JSP, either.
If you subsequently want to get the user name or programmatically check
security, use the getCallerPrincipal() or isCallerInRole() methods on
the servlet context or ejb context objects.
You'll need to watch out for session timeouts in your client.
You should seriously consider using SOAP. That is designed for exactly
what you're trying to do. There is a free Apache implementation that
you could probably get running under Orion, and VB will do all the
client work for you.
Jeff
-Original Message-
From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:07 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user...
Thanks for your help, I think I am getting closer, here is
what I plan to
do:
1. Create a specific login .JSP page which will:
a. validate the user
b. create a session
c. configure the "user" attribute to the user object
d. return session id to the client
2. Client passes the session id on every call as a part of the url
Why go through any of 1? J2EE does all this for you. All you
need to do is
use form auth. Have your login page return whatever xml is required to
show the VB login box. So whenever you request a protected
resource, the
login box will pop up. Disable cookies in the webapp, and then
read in the
JSESSIONID from the url and just make sure it's in every
future request,
so the servlet container knows where to find your
authenticated session.
Again, the only part of the above which I am not
sure about is 1c...
Thanks.
-AP_
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Juan Lorandi
(Chile)
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 11:26 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: How to enable UserManager support for arbitrary user...
Alex, I have a few questions and comments,
1. Which HTTPSession are you using? Orion's or your own? I recommend
Orion's, tough one on the developments here uses a home-brewn session
management. This forces us to include a few lines of code
(with a taglib) in
almost every page. Also, this renders Orion's J2EE security
useless (Orion's
HTTPSession has a User field where it stores either null
(not authenticated)
or a User reference to know the session Identity.
2. How are you authenticating a user? I presume you aren't
right now. I
would go with this:
a. A Custom UserManager(for DB persistence, kinda like
DataSourceUserManager, but yours)
b. No custom SessionManager. (Orion has this declared
as a public
interface, but has no means to know which is the desired
implementation;
pity, session management,URL rewriting, and session + auth
integration is
not complaint to
RE: productive comment.
Yes to all your questions below. I sent the message to let the folks that run OrionSupport and IronFlare know two things: 1) the net is world wide and runs (thrives!) on active content. It wants change and 24/7/365 (or nine-nines or whatever your favorite availability metaphor) availability and responsiveness. An unchanging, corp-supported site is poisonous to the continued existence of a business. As a businessman, dependent on Orion, I know that money talks, so I put my money where my mouth was. 2) Busy as I am (I am the admin guy and Project Manager for hsqldb AND I run my own business, making payroll for 13 people), I understand two realities about business: a) Product is (almost) nothing when it comes to running a business. Customers (and their satisfaction) are EVERYTHING to a business' continued vitality. b) Communication is ALWAYS best. Silence is scary to your customers and potential customers. Orionsupport.COM has, for all intents and purposes gone dark, as has Orion, WITH NO NOTICE AND NO RESPONSE. It is not hard to believe that both these companies do not actively monitor these lists and that is why we have heard nothing. That is a mistake. It is one we have the power to rectify as a community. Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Velez Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:50 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Isn't OrionSupport already registered and up and running (well sort of) why not incorporate thee new ideas onto this already existing and well publicized site? Is orionsupport.com not willing to accept community suggestions? It seems to me that if orionsupport.com were improved with additional submissions, improved infrastructure and maybe some backend content management apps (good way to show off some apps running on Orion) then it could become the ultimate source for erm Orionsupport. A karma system for support might be a good start to building a database of questions/incidents that could evolve to a very good FAQ. just my .02 -Larry -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:47 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Importance: High RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:28 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. List, We have an organic community here, but the list has been our only output. The support from the company is lacking. Orionsupport seems to have been a good outlet for some, but appears to be down for a spell. Many here have used the other commercial packages (I have used weblogic and iplanet), but had to suffer through their "seminars" which are just over-blown sales meetings. If you are a small company, these are just not the products for you. It would be nice if we could post "success stories" and "hints" directly on the OrionServer web site. If they want to commercialize the product, and don't have the bucks or people to provide support...let *us* provide this service through a "community" process. About 18 months ago I started using the netbeans ide. At the time, its was the only jave 2 ide out there. The netbeans news server was well maintained by a support engineer for netbeans. Later they sold out to Sun, and a lot of that "organic" feeling went away. But the attention that one guy gave to the news service was great, and made using the product a good experience. If we could move the energy prevalent on the orion-interest news service into a "community" web page, maybe this could help all of us out? We could award *points* to the best an
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Joe, elephantwalker, et.al. I was going to do a 'me too!' followed by a listing, but that may not be list-appropriate (MYOWN_PERSONAL_RULE: if you have the question: Is this SPAM? ASK THE LIST!) So, how do we do this, and not offend the users of the list (our budding community)? My response to elephantwalker was meant as an impetus for more discussion. More prods to follow tonite. Oh, yeah: ME, TOO! heh, heh Michael J. Cannon President Ubiquicomm mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project Manager hsqldb.org mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:35 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Great point. However, we can help expand on the functionality at orionsupport. But then there's that *paid* support issue. Companies need a place to go so they can *pay* for support when the chips are down, and the alligators are crawling around nipping at their tender parts. The great thing about mysql or borland's open source product is that when the chips are down, you can get *paid* support from thousands of independent consultants. The key bit that will help orion is support that is there for the asking...all you have to do is pay for it. If Joe Ottinger is reading this email, lets add this bit to your site. If you need a consultant to belly up to the bar, and help out, contact the elephantwalker. For the orion team at ironflare, I am willing to pay a *franchising* fee for every support call, email or site visit answered, as long as we get access to the dev team for *bugs*. Regards, the Elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dan North Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:28 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Importance: High I love the enthusiasm, but I'm concerned about the solution. The orionsupport.com site is run and maintained by a small group of people with exactly the same ideas as those being expressed on this list. Let's not create splinter groups which start with a huge burst of enthusiasm and then fizzle out into another resource dead end. Instead, let's focus that energy on taking orionsupport to the level it needs to get to next. It is built on some great open source technology (www.opensymphony.com) which would make it a straightforward exercise to add threaded discussions, article feedback, printer-friendly page views etc. to the articles there. Joe Ottinger, who currently hosts the site, explains what his ideas are for orionsupport in his excellent (and conveniently short!) "Into the Future" article, which is currently available from google's cache at http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.orionsupport.com/articles /vision.ht ml+hl=en). So, some feedback to the site would be a good start (once Joe gets it back on-line :o) Invitations for mirroring would ensure the availability we need, a threaded discussion list (which could interact with this list?), client news (you know if you've bought a licence - so tell the rest of us), much greater breadth and depth of support articles, etc. The sentiment from many of you on this list is that (a) orion is a fantastic product, (b) the orion team don't give their website the time/inclination/priority many of us require, (c) between us we possess a lot of knowledge, (d) we're happy to share that with the community. So, in the absence of formal support partners/infrastructure can I suggest that everyone gives orionsupport.com the, umm, support it deserves? Thanks, Dan/tastapod At 00:47 13/04/2001 -0500, you wrote: RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Way to go, elephantwalker... More ideas: 1) Since we are using Orion's/IronFlare's/OrionServer's IP (the corporate ID and product names are the most basic IP a corp has) we agree to some kind of quals and independently verified audits (other than 'pay-for-play') that can then be 'hung' on our own corporate websites (which also agree to dedicate a small percentageof space to mirroring and a small amount of BW to downloads) 2) there is an agreed 'spread' for use and a pool of money from the 'franchise fees' that Orion and its agents agree to use to help the community as a whole. An additional portion is dedicated to the frachisors 3) everything is managed by a separate, neutral server. References/leads (especially for on-sites) are furnished on a geographic basis first, than, after a suitable time, distributed to a wider and wider pool 4) qualified franchisors, under restrictions, are contracted by Orion to 'act in their stead' to answer, for free, user questions, with no 'lead-fishing' or commercial re-direction allowed 5) the system operates 24/7/365...'franchisors' pony up the cash - up front - agree to a fixed time schedule for certification and submission to the auditors and operate/agree to a 'three strikes' -also audited- rule, with reasonable requirements. Currently, I am involved with 2 partnerships that operate under a variation of this combined with a couple of elephantwalker's use cases: IBM and CA (on different platforms). I have dedicated personnel specifically on payroll to manage and comply with these agreements. In another business that I an investor in (and help with managing), Bang and Olufsen manages their partnerships and distributors in a similar manner. Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. absolutely...use Bugzilla, and a quick dev team. However, think of the *franchise* idea. The consultants are franchised by Ironflare to give *customer support*, which Ironflare can't provide. But other than the name, what do you get for your *franchise fee*. There's got to be some access. The reason is the ETF, or Estimated Time to Fix for a bug. Although bugzilla is fine for most bugs which have workarounds, sometimes there are bugs which are mission critical. In those cases we need to know when the bug is going to fixed, and only orion can make that commitment. I have written a use case for each support type. Notice that this support is well beyond anything that Ironflare is currently offering. Here's each use case ... *paid email support* 1. user logs in to orionsupport or where ever. 2. posts an email support issue. Offers $50 to resolve issue by email. 3. consultant logins into support que, sees the offer, and makes a bid (in this case time, time to solve and price). 4. user agrees to bid, and consultant responds with answer. In this case, there is no need for access to the Orion developers. But then we have step 5. 5. bug is reported, there is no workaround (that would have been provided in 4 above), and bug is reported in bugzilla. For and extra $50, user gets a detailed status of the bug (more detail than provided in bugzilla status) and an ETF (estimated time to fix). This requires access to the Orion development manager, since only they can make such a commitment. *paid phone call support* 1. user logs into orionsupport or where ever. 2. posts an request for phone call support, with a description of the problem. Offers $250 to resolve the issue. 3. consultant logins into support que, sees the offer, and makes a bid (time to solve, and price). 4. user agrees to bid, and consultant or user makes the phone call. 5. development access required for ETF. *paid consultant visit support* 1. user logs into orionsupport or where ever. 2. posts an request for site visit support, with a description of the problem. Offers $1,500/day to resolve the issue. 3. consultant logins into support que, sees the offer, and makes a bid (time to solve, and price). 4. user agrees to bid, and consult or user make arrangements for visit. 5. development access required for ETF. Regards, the elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Aaron Tavistock Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:01 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. 'access' to the dev team? You mean that if you think its a bug then you should be able to get on the phone with developers as if they were tech support people? Whats wrong with Bugzilla and a quick development team? -Original Message- From: elephantwalker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:35 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Great point. However, we can help expand on the functionality
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Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe Co. and they are not responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport is a community support effort run on a volunteer basis and I believe that it is hosted on Joseph's development machine using Orion. :) : ) :) I'd be willing to help shoulder some of the costs in moving everything over to an ISP host. There's no need for a new domain, imho... orionsupport has been very open and supportive (no pun intended). I say that we just give those good folks a nice place to put everything without tying up their resources. Community support for Orion has been excellent. The thing I'm worried about is how the Orion developers are doing... is there anything we can do to help out the guys at orionserver/ironflare? - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Cannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: productive comment. RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Another bit of info: From NSI WHOIS: http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=orionsupport.com; STRING=Search Magnus owns it now. NOW WHAT? Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport is a community support effort run on a volunteer basis and I believe that it is hosted on Joseph's development machine using Orion. :) : ) :) I'd be willing to help shoulder some of the costs in moving everything over to an ISP host. There's no need for a new domain, imho... orionsupport has been very open and supportive (no pun intended). I say that we just give those good folks a nice place to put everything without tying up their resources. Community support for Orion has been excellent. The thing I'm worried about is how the Orion developers are doing... is there anything we can do to help out the guys at orionserver/ironflare? - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Cannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: productive comment. RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Nope...as I've just been clued in, MAGNUS HAS ALWAYS OWNED THE DOMAIN... Please read Mike Cannon-Brookes' (of OrionSupport) answer to me in the message "OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment." I think what we're running into this time is the European Easter Holiday, and we probably won't get any response from IronFlare/Orion or OrionSupport resolution until after that's over. However, some things are going on behind the scenes and THIS TIME WE'RE GOING TO FIX THIS FOR GOOD! To the cynics out there, no, this isn't some Wizard of Oz "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..." or business skullduggery. To fix this, we need to go off-line, for reasons that should be obvious to all of you now. But IT WILL BE FIXED. I apologize to those I may have offended with my posts and, as usual, my impatience. My only excuse is my true love for the product and my present involvement in a small part of it. Please be patient, all and we will work this out. Michael J. Cannon Project Manager, COO hsql.org (formerly HyperSonicSQL) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 10:10 PM To: Orion-Interest Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Future directions for orion support A most interesting twist... Hmm... I dunno, this is most unexpected. It's probably best to wait a couple days so that Joseph/Magnus can address this issue. Given that Orionsupport went dark today, it seems control of orionsupport has passed on to the orionserver/Ironflare folks. That may indicate a dedicated support site in the near future or it may mean that community support will now slow to a crawl... The Orion developers have been mighty quiet. I really like Orion as a product and would prefer to see it become immensely successful. Nevertheless the lack of feedback from Ironflare is disconcerting... Personally, I'm hedging my bets with jboss Returning to the core question -- I wholeheartedly agree that better support is vital, be it official or community-based. If no groundbreaking news comes from Ironflare or orionsupport, I'm all for orionsig. - Original Message ----- From: "Michael J. Cannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:07 PM Subject: RE: productive comment. Another bit of info: From NSI WHOIS: http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=orionsu pport.com STRING=Search Magnus owns it now. NOW WHAT? Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport is a community support effort run on a volunteer basis and I believe that it is hosted on Joseph's development machine using Orion. :) : ) :) I'd be willing to help shoulder some of the costs in moving everything over to an ISP host. There's no need for a new domain, imho... orionsupport has been very open and supportive (no pun intended). I say that we just give those good folks a nice place to put everything without tying up their resources. Community support for Orion has been excellent. The thing I'm worried about is how the Orion developers are doing... is there anything we can do to help out the guys at orionserver/ironflare? - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Cannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: productive comment. RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone
RE: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment.
Finally...will the REAL Mike Cannon please stand up? He has. Patience, folks. Michael J. Cannon Project Manager - hsqldb.org (formerly HyperSonicSQL) mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Cannon-Brookes Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 8:52 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: OrionSupport - if you care about the 'Orion community', read it! WAS RE: productive comment. Ok, I feel it's time for me to step in here as one of the 'Joe Co.' people. Firstly, everyone calm down. As Hani said yesterday, every few weeks this whole "Orion support sucks, my boss won't buy Orion without support, I'm having a whinge" thread starts up again. Calm down and read the archives people ;) THE SITUATION: With regard to the future of OrionSupport, here are the things I _know_ are currently happening: - As far as I know it, Joe is on holidays which is probably why he's not answering his email - he hasn't been on IRC for about a week. Everyone just calm down ;) - The domain IS owned by IronFlare / Orion. As far as I know this was done by the previous owners so that it would always be an Orion support site. I have no problems with this at all, the guys have given us free reign over the content / production of the site. - The site IS down now, I'm not sure why. It seems to me Joe's machine has fallen over but we'll know when we get back. Meanwhile there is an archive of all content up to March 18th kindly hosted at www.theculprit.com - There ARE moves in progress to upgrade the site. As Hani said in a previous email it currently runs on lots of OpenSymphony technologies ( http://www.opensymphony.com - see gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug at the end of this email) like SiteMesh, OSCache and Clickstream. I'm in the process of upgrading it to use OSContent so we'll have a fully fledged CMS with community features to boot. This will take a week or two at the least. THE PROBLEM: - The above measures are purely technical and won't help the Orion community in and of themselves. OrionSupport's biggest problem so far has been GETTING PEOPLE TO CONTRIBUTE. JoeO says this better than I could in his rant http://www.theculprit.com/www.orionsupport.com/articles/vision-2.html . BASICALLY if noone contributes the site will continue to move ahead at it's trickling pace. - HOWEVER if lots of people take 5 minutes to note down the problem they just solved, the bug they worked around, their expertise on a particular area, their knowledge of using Orion with software X - we can really produce a very useful support resource very fast indeed. Keep reading for how you can help. THE SOLUTION: I suggest we move discussion of this off the list (the last 48 hours has driven me nuts with the lack of Orion questions and the volume of "me too, Orion support sucks, I'm complaining and not doing anything about it" emails. If you don't like it, join those who are trying to do something about it! I've set up an egroup (still can't bring myself to call it a Yahoo! Group yet) for discussing it here http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orionsupport The manifesto of the group is: "A group for the authors and users of OrionSupport ( http://www.orionsupport.com ) to discuss content needed, moves ahead etc. NOTE: This is not a group for people looking for support for Orion. See http://www.orionserver.com for that" I hope you'll all join up and that together we can make OrionSupport an even better resource for the community. -mike gratuitous-OpenSymphony-plug If anyone else has some spare time and wants to help out the most advanced Open Source J2EE project out there, OpenSymphony is it ;) Check it out at http://www.opensymphony.com , help by downloading, using, testing, developing, documenting or even just suggesting ideas - let me know where you can help! For an example site running with ALL the OS technologies on Orion (OSContent for content management, community, user management, SiteMesh for layout, OSCache for speed, Formtags, OSCore for functionality / properties / personalisation) see http://ausralia.internet.com (This plug is sheerly to show off the technology, not for the extra page views - it's Australian new so who is likely to be interested anyway ;)) /gratuitious-OpenSymphony-plug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael J. Cannon Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 10:24 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Fine, but OrionSupport.com is _already_ owned by Joe Co. and they are not responding (I sent them a letter and am sending another off-line). Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: produc
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Again, patience...I am quieting on-list until I get clearance from the involved parties (or they have a chance to speak for themselves). Michael J. Cannon Project Manager, COO hsqldb.org (formerly HyperSonicSQL) mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jeff Schnitzer Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 9:09 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. I was under the impression that the domain has always been owned by the Orion organization. They just pointed it at whoever was willing to maintain the community site. I have a suggestion. Lets take a slice of a Wiki system, say the Portland Pattern Repository at http://www.c2.com. I think the Wiki nature will lend itself well to a community group like this. It will also act as a FAQ-O-MATIC. The natural starting point is: http://www.c2.com/cgi/wiki?OrionServer Jeff -Original Message- From: Michael J. Cannon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 6:07 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. Importance: High Another bit of info: From NSI WHOIS: http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=orio nsupport.com STRING=Search Magnus owns it now. NOW WHAT? Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Ng Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:37 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: productive comment. I'm all for this idea. Orionsupport is a community support effort run on a volunteer basis and I believe that it is hosted on Joseph's development machine using Orion. :) : ) :) I'd be willing to help shoulder some of the costs in moving everything over to an ISP host. There's no need for a new domain, imho... orionsupport has been very open and supportive (no pun intended). I say that we just give those good folks a nice place to put everything without tying up their resources. Community support for Orion has been excellent. The thing I'm worried about is how the Orion developers are doing... is there anything we can do to help out the guys at orionserver/ironflare? - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Cannon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: RE: productive comment. RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: productive comment.
RE: How do we take the next step? A sig is, classically a _S_pecial _I_nterest _G_roup, in the computer culture. orionsig.net, orionsig.org and orionsig.com are available. Pick 'em. Don't need a license from anyone to be a 'general purpose special interest group,' as long as you don't purport to be in any 'special' circumstance or make unfounded claims or use words that have obvious legal meaning. I've got a fixed IP, but it's on a slow and restricted connection. I know an ISP that is easy to work with, charges $39/mo, knows how to run services for Java, and is relatively small and responsive, and accesses through a multiple T3 (second-tier backbone access, they're actually a small CLEC). They also are an accredited registrar for all the above TLD's (turn-around is typically about 24 hours to propagate through BIND/DNS and the internic). I'd be willing to donate the first six months worth of host costs, and, after 30 days, pay for the Orion license myself (gotta run the site on Orion, don't we?) with these guys or anyone better. Let's just DO IT. Anyone else want to help? Michael Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of elephantwalker Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:28 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: productive comment. List, We have an organic community here, but the list has been our only output. The support from the company is lacking. Orionsupport seems to have been a good outlet for some, but appears to be down for a spell. Many here have used the other commercial packages (I have used weblogic and iplanet), but had to suffer through their "seminars" which are just over-blown sales meetings. If you are a small company, these are just not the products for you. It would be nice if we could post "success stories" and "hints" directly on the OrionServer web site. If they want to commercialize the product, and don't have the bucks or people to provide support...let *us* provide this service through a "community" process. About 18 months ago I started using the netbeans ide. At the time, its was the only jave 2 ide out there. The netbeans news server was well maintained by a support engineer for netbeans. Later they sold out to Sun, and a lot of that "organic" feeling went away. But the attention that one guy gave to the news service was great, and made using the product a good experience. If we could move the energy prevalent on the orion-interest news service into a "community" web page, maybe this could help all of us out? We could award *points* to the best answers to questions. We could have an ignore button. And yes, we could have a *paid* consultancy service for email questions, phone coaching, and even site visits. Many of the users of orion are independent consultants, so it is not out of the question that a community web service for orion wouldn't fill the gap for orion support. I think one thing missing from the OrionSupport web site was this last bitsome paid service for support. Its also missing from the Ironflare. If you notice, you can buy the product...but even if you wanted to pay for extra support, they don't sell it. If you are reading this at Orion, please consider the McDonald's model. They had a good idea for a hamburger, but how do you put a restaurant on every corner? You franchise the hamburger restaurant idea. Why does'nt Ironflare "franchise" the support for Orion? This way they could continue to write great software, but others would pay them to give great support service for Orion. I have been trying to call these guys for a month now, with no success. So my question is... How do we take the next step? Regards, The elephantwalker -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 5:44 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: productive comment. David, nothing personal, I'm just hanging my reply off yours as it's the latest one in this thread...BUT some of us are very bored of this thread popping up every few weeks. Sure, Orion hasn't released a new version in a couple of months now (I think), and I'm as desperately eager for 1.4.8 as anyone here. Why does this always translate to 'Orion is tanking'? I know where you are coming from. I love orion. The problem I have is when I have to rationalize its use to others. Here's the most basic recommendation that I think would go a long way (believe it or not) UPDATE THE WEB SITE ONCE A WEEK include simple news...even just a paragraph or to. perhaps explaining latest updates (in betas). If you have no newsadd link to new clients/web sites...I'm sure ...this would take about 10 minutes a week and would go a long way in helping me convince people to buy it...believe it or not. I know it has no relevance on the quality of the product, but it would
RE: Another request for struts on orion
On April 3r, 2001, quoth Rick Hightower: "Is there a way to search this mail archive? The URL is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/orion-interest@orionserver.com now, on searching, found this for 1.45: "Have you put struts.jar in your WEB-INF/lib directory (correct) or in the orion/lib directory (incorrect)? Also struts needs to be patched to work with Orion (ActionServlet.java as I remember, its in the archives)." and this for 1.47: " I had the same problem with Orion 1.4.7 and Struts 1.0beta (today's build), here's how I got it to work: You have to remove all the tlds from WEB-INF/lib/struts.jar that are under org.apache.struts.resources and put them under WEB-INF/classes/org/apache/struts/resources. Don't just copy them, they have to disapear from your struts.jar Took care of my issue, a bit annoying we have to do this but looks more like a bug in Orion than in Struts. Any comments on this? Christian" and this, further, for 1.4.7: "You're still going to run into problems when you try to use message resources (used prolifically for internal messages). Struts PropertyMessageResources calls getResourceAsStream() like this: is = this.getClass().getClassLoader().getResourceAsStream(name); ...and if you look at the Orion classloader, it does not implement getResourceAsStream(). This is what produces the "Cannot find message resources under org.apache.struts.action.MESSAGE" error. Look through the struts code for the source of that message; it has nothing to do with loading the dtds. The change described below is not necessary on Orion 1.4.5 or 1.4.7 (the only versions I have tested struts on). My current struts code has this.getClass().getResource(), and I see on the Orion console the correct Digester registration methods for the dtds. this.getClass().getClassLoader().getResource() is returning the correct thing. ...browsing the (decompiled) source, it is amusing to note that the Orion ServletContext (com.evermind.server.http.HttpApplication) does implement getResourceAsStream(), but from the Struts PropertyMessageResources you do not have access to the servlet context so it's no use :-) Jeff" and that seems to be all of substance...had it working myself since about the 15th of last month, but use it rarely, as we are a Cocoon shop. Michael J. Cannon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rick Hightower Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:08 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Another request for struts on orion I am also having a problem running struts on Orion. I followed the instructions and noticed that the directions to install the sample application on Orion (as written) would not work. First it only mentions copying one xml file not action.xml (it mentions struts_config.xsl). Then it asks you to point the config setting to action.xml without copying it to the web application root. The directions seem to be missing some steps. I tried to improvise and tried to copy all xml (and tag definition files) files from WEB-INF to the web app root of the sample, but I am running out of ideas. I realize that Orion is popular and someone has this running somewhere. And I also realize that this question has been asked for Where is a good place to search for the answers to this question? Is there a way to search this mail archive? (BTW I did get struts to work on weblogic 5.1) --Rick Hightower Software Developer http://www.geocities.com/rick_m_hightower/ -Original Message- From: Shawn Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 2:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: jndi Hello, Does anyone have the strut examples working with orionserver 1.4.5 or later. If not, does anyone know where I can find more information on how to get this to work. I have implemented the extra procedures required to set up strut with orion. Thanks, Shawn Stephens I get this error when I try to run the app: 4/3/01 4:33 PM defaultWebApp: 1.4.7 Started 4/3/01 4:33 PM strutsExample: database: init 4/3/01 4:33 PM strutsExample: database: Initializing database servlet 4/3/01 4:33 PM strutsExample: database: Loading database from '/WEB-INF/database.xml' 4/3/01 4:33 PM strutsExample: action: init 4/3/01 4:33 PM strutsExample: action: Loading application resources from resource org.apache.struts.example.ApplicationResources 4/3/01 4:33 PM strutsExample: action: Initializing configuration from resource path /WEB-INF/action.xml 4/3/01 4:33 PM strutsExample: action: null java.net.MalformedURLException: unknown protocol: jndi at org.apache.struts.digester.Digester.resolveEntity(Digester.java:581) at org.apache.xerces.readers.DefaultEntityHandler.startReadingFromExt ernalEntit y(DefaultEntityHandler.java:750) at org.apache.xerces.readers.DefaultEntityHandler.startReadingFromExt
RE: Orion OpenTool to JBuilder 4?
How about this for a start? http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/jbuilder-debugging.html Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert S. Sfeir Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:32 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Orion OpenTool to JBuilder 4? Yep sure did, and this is only debugging but does not give you the advantage of auto deploy without using other tools and things like that. Running the whole app JBuilder would be really nice, especially with JSP and all that. R At 12:18 PM 4/3/2001 -0400, you wrote: Have you looked at http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/jbuilder-debugging.html ? At 09:41 AM 4/3/01 +0200, you wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Robert S. Sfeir Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:02 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Orion OpenTool to JBuilder 4? I've been trying to find ANY information about pluging in Orion as part of the servers inside JBuilder using the OpenTool API. Doesn't look like anyone's written one. I've sent an email to the Orion folks, no response. I have a source code example here that shows how to do this with Tomcat, and it doesn't look like I need THAT much more work to convert it over to make it work with Orion, I just don't want to spin my wheels doing it if someone has already done this. I haven't, and I think nobody else has since I've been following both the orion list and the jbuilder opentool newsgroup for some time now, but haven't heard of it. It would be nice if you could write it, although I'm quite content using jbuilder4 with the antrunner opentool (available from borland's codecentral). I know you can use Orion from the run menu, but there seem to be other benefits from having it as an application server in JBuilder, primarily for deployment purposes. Thanks. R Robert S. Sfeir Director of Software Development PERCEPTICON corporation San Francisco, CA 94123 w - http://www.percepticon.com/ e- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t - (415) 749-2900 x205 Robert S. Sfeir Director of Software Development PERCEPTICON corporation San Francisco, CA 94123 w - http://www.percepticon.com/ e- [EMAIL PROTECTED] t - (415) 749-2900 x205
[hsqldb-ANNOUNCE]New HypersonicSQL Project and Upcoming Release
We have revived Thomas Mueller's HypersonicSQL Database Project (HypersonicSQL/hsql at SourceForge: URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsql), last release hsql v.1.43 (available at http://ftp1.sourceforge.net/hsqldb/hsql_143.zip) as the hsqldb Database Engine Project on SourceForge (hsqldb Database Engine Project at SourceForge: URL: http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsqldb , Home Page (for now): URL: http://hsqldb.sourceforge.net) with the following goals: 1.) to maintain and keep current the history of Thomas Mueller's landmark BSD-licensed project. To this end, the license will continue BSD-style, rather than GPL or other OSI-compatible license. In plain English, we aim to be the most free and open database product currently on the market and will continue the project both 'free-graits' and 'free-libre' with no licensing required, other than as stated in the preceding works (check the source for the license/copyright and we should have it up on the web by the time many of you read this.) 2.) to archive the project's history to include all available patches and bugfixes in the source and documentation prior to the inception of the current Project, hsqldb. To this end, we will seek to maintain in cvs a 1.43 trunk of the code, to be included in all subsequent releases. Once we are reasonably sure we have the history as well encapsulated as we can, we will consign this trunk to the 'Attic' in cvs for historical or possible rejuvenation, should the need arise. 3. to deliver, in as much as is possible, in step with Sun Microsystems (TM) and its Java(TM) product and the JCP, reliable, production-ready code for use by the wider community, maintaining the 'free-gratis' and 'free-libre' status of the code under the BSD-style license mentioned above. To that end, we will initiate two additional branches in the cvs source tree: 1.7 (for J2EE(TM), J2ME(TM), and attendant technology and platform compatibility issues; leading towards hsqldb v.2.x sometime in July of this year) and 1.9 (for Java(TM) v.1.4+, JDBC(TM) 3+ and subsequent technology issues; leading to hsqldb v.3.x; release date as yet unspecified). To further the above goals, we have released a Release Candidate of hsqldb v.1.60, available by anonymous FTP at ftp://hsqldb.sourceforge.net/pub/hsqldb/ . Please feel free to download and examine this code, submit Featur Requests, and comment on any Bugfixes, Patches, etc. at the Project Summary Page on SourceForge (http://sourceforge.net/projects/hsqldb). Please be aware that v.1.6 is to be a Developers' Release only, meant to incorporate existing patches and bugfixes, as well as some minimal added functionality. It will not include the extensive documentation and examples you may be used to due to Development Team time constraints and our efforts in archival and inclusion of previous work, as yet unarchived. That additional functionality will be included in v.1.62, to be released within a month of v.1.60. Tentative Final Release of the new Project (hsqldb v.1.60) is scheduled for Thursday, April 5th, 2001, pending approval of the Core Development Team. Contact with the Development Team can be made through the Project Manager at the link below. We (the Development Team) are in something of a state of flux, while we organize, so please pardon our dust. Corporate users of HypersonicSQL and others with questions about licensing may direct those questions to the Project Manager at the link below. Michael J. Cannon mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Project Manager hsqldb.org Copyright and Trademark Notice: Java(TM) and all derivative works are copyright and trademarks of Sun Microsystems. Details may be found at their website. All others, are copyright and trademarks of thir respective holders.
RE: No suitable driver exception
try classes111.zip...your 8i may not be patched to a level that accepts
classes12
Sometimes works when nothing else does
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Gregory
Kaestle
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 8:17 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: No suitable driver exception
Having a problem accessing JDBC Connection through a datasource, and can't
figure it out with orion.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Here are the details, and am using Oracle 8i.
* classes12.zip located in the orion/lib dir.
* Here is my datasources xml snippet.
data-source
class="com.evermind.sql.DriverManagerDataSource"
name="Oracle"
location="jdbc/OracleCoreDS"
xa-location="jdbc/OracleXADS"
ejb-location="jdbc/OracleDS"
connection-driver="oracle.jdbc.driver.OracleDriver"
username=""
password=""
url="jdbc:oracle:thin:@server:1521:ORCL"
inactivity-timeout="30"
/
* Orion starts up fine.
* Here is the code... (no app-client xml file)
env.put("java.naming.factory.initial",
"com.evermind.server.rmi.RMIInitialContextFactory");
env.put("java.naming.provider.url", "ormi://localhost/default");
env.put("java.naming.security.principal","admin");
env.put("java.naming.security.credentials","kb143aj");
InitialContext ctx = new InitialContext(env);
DataSource ds = (DataSource)ctx.lookup("jdbc/OracleCoreDS");
Connection conn = ds.getConnection();
Statement stmt = conn.createStatement();
* Running with orion.jar, jndi.jar, jdbc.jar, classes.zip
* Getting No suitable driver exception (SQLException) at Connection conn =
ds.getConnection();
Any help would be greatly appreciated. =)
Thanks,
Greg
RE: Why is Hypersonic SQL still being integrated
Just because it's dead, doesn't mean that it doesn't do the job. Keep in mind that for these new tings in J2EE to work (especially EJB), you need some kind of a repository/default container. That doesn't mean you can't use another database as an alternate datasource or connect to one. I believe the Orion developers have more to worry about than what the default datasource their product ships with is and its status. I believe the choice of Hypersonic/hsql had more to do with licensing (GPL) than what best-of-breed database to include. After all, Sun ships J2EE Beta 3 with Cloudscape. Also, keep in mind that hsql was NEVER adequate for any but devel projects. It is not going to be what anyone would go to production withBottom line: find a datasource you are comfortable with and adapt Orion to use that. Kdb (http://www.kx.com ), Instantdb (http://instantdb.enhydra.org/index.html ), Cloudscape (Informix, I believe) MSSQL Server, Oracle, Sybase ADA, IBM UDB and postgres are all fine candidates, or, roll your own! Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp Randy-W18971 Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:36 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Why is Hypersonic SQL still being integrated If HypersonicSQL is a dead project, why is it still being shipped with Orion?
RE: Hypersonic website / docs
Hypersonic is dead...see at http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=68224 . Instantdb is the only thing close. The open-source developers of the Interbase project have revolted and taken their code with them (hinting at lack of co-operation from Inprise). They can be found at http://firebird.sourceforge.net/fb_main.html . the project nam is now (obviously) Firebird. SAPdb is Oracle crap, frozen at v.7, with _lots_ of additional libraries and no support (and damn few updates). Find it at http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/ . For my money, if you cant find a decent db for your project at SourceForge or Freshmeat, go with Sybase ASA or IBM UDB and pay for it. Otherwise, write your own. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kemp Randy-W18971 Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 10:55 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Hypersonic website / docs I heard that the original author was not longer actively developing the product, and someone was temporary taking over the administration and maintenance. Because of the state of disruption with hypersonic, I recommend to look at Enhydra's InstandDB, if you wish a Java based RDMS, else look at databases like Mysql, postgresql, Sap4 (sp?), or Boreland's database. -Original Message- From: Julian Richardson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2001 8:38 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Hypersonic website / docs Hi, What's the correct url for the hypersonic website? I thought the official one was hsql.oron.ch, which I'm sure worked until a few weeks ago but doesn't now - I get a forbidden error when accessing it. Interestingly it comes back with www.hypersonicsql.com in the error page, but that site doesn't seem to exist in any form... What gives? Is anyone on this list anything to do with Hypersonic and knows what's happening with the site (it's been this way for a few days, and I've just double-checked that it's not our web proxy) Failing any kind of online help, are there docs buried within the Orion document tree for Hypersonic? I couldn't see anything at all. What I'm actually after is some kind of command-line SQL client - does Hypersonic have one? I know it's got that applet for administration (does that even come as part of the Orion install?) but I don't want to fire up a browser or mess around with appletviewer unless I have to. I do have a homebrew client but it was written against Oracle so I don't know (yet) what'll be involved in getting it to work with Hypersonic... thanks Jules
RE: I switch from X to Orion because:
And let's not forget how J2EE 1.3beta3 is packaged...TomCat 3.2.1!!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Victor A. Salaman Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 2:20 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: I switch from X to Orion because: Tomcat does not support EJB... the original author of the message meant Tomcat JBoss... And that integration is pure hell... Of course, you can download the already integrated version, but you'd be getting an old JBoss and an old Tomcat... The main problem with Tomcat and JBoss is also their virtue. Since everything is so modular, it also means that there are a lot of components, some of which have conflicts among eath other Among other things, JBoss is not compliant to any spec, as simple things like java:/comp/env namespace are plainly not supported by their jndi impl, cmp (jaws) support is very poor and does not really scale well to more than a couple kids playing "deploy" on 3 machines... JBoss also has many problems deploying j2ee "ear" (Enterprise Archives) ... Although Orion is small, it's self-contained and requires very little work to get everything running. flame-warning I respect the authors of JBoss as they have done a great job, but you really can't compare... it's a orange vs. apples comparison. As for Tomcat, it gives a bad name to server-java altogether... and as for Apache Server, well, what can I say, a simple "java" appserver such as Orion beats its performance by leaps... Most of the ASF is trying to stay compatible with dead things (jdk 1.1), which makes their software suffer a great deal. For example, they dislike the use of the Collections API, try to solve everyone's problems for everyone, and in the way bloat their products unnecessarily... And repeatedly "break" the rules... (How crazy is it creating threads inside the web container [Cocoon2] when the specs specifically say that it should not be done) ... An example of this is Jakarta-Struts... Sure it's great... but why then did Rickard Oberg (one of the technical leads in JBoss) create WebWork? ... Struts is just too damned bloated... same happens with most of Apache's offerings. It's rather sad, as most of those problems could easily be solved... Sometimes people on the list say things like "I can't get Cocoon to work under Orion", "I can't get XXX Apache product to work under Orion"... well now you know why :) haha ... Most of these problems are classloader issues which would break anyways, but since Tomcat has an arcane single classloader architecture, they'd never notice... /flame-warning -Original Message- From: Christian Sell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 3:01 PM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: I switch from X to Orion because: 2. Tomcat does not support EJB, even if it did, getting Tomcat Apache working together is sometimes a hair-pulling experience. now what exactly was your problem there? I just installed tomcat under apache on my new Linux box, and had no problems at all - just followed the instructions. And deploying an app is not more than copying the .war into the webapps directory...
RE: Any experiences with bytecode to native compilers and orion ?
For speed issues w/ regard (strictly) the compilers, check the volano report at http://www.volano.com TowerJ isn't THAT expensive if the make or break for your app is speed/scalability (i.e.. the app doesn't crash the inadequate hardware you're stuck with and TowerJ is available for the hardware/OS environment). Depending on platform, you might also check Jikes, we got about 60 - 120% speed-up after we found the bottlenecks in the code and eliminated them (of course, depends on platform/OS, as you can see in Volano). My experience with EJB and scale/speed is that the following is true, as to what is _REALLY_ the problem, more often than not: 1. Bad design and failure to correctly spec and use _all_ of the tools J2EE gives you. 2. Bad infrastructure (inadequate Db connection pools available, inadequately planned bandwidth needs, insufficient attention to the realities of the entire universe the app is running in). 3. Bad Java code (inconsistent use of threading, bad choices of data acquisition model, insufficient attention to the run-time load of the code you're writing). 4. EJB model itself. Just my $0.02, FWIW. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jens Stutte Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 3:02 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Any experiences with bytecode to native compilers and orion ? Hi all, i'd like to ask, if anybody has some experience with bytecode to native compilers in conjunction with orion. Unfortunately, the vendors of this products do not offer evaluation downloads (comprehensable, since often one compiler run would make it to speed up an existing product ;). I'd like to hear if someone has any experiences with TowerJ (though i'm quite sure that my company cannot afford it...), Jove (http://www.instantiations.com, they advertise with "IBM Netfinity proven", so probably it works with orion, too?) or BulletTrain (http://www.naturalbridge.com) and orion. First of all: Does it work at all with any of these products? And then: does it help? Our application in development is using EJBs very heavily, so any improvement either in the jdbc driver or within orion itself would help very much (our own code does not matter much). Regards and thank you, Jens Stutte [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.netmedia.de netmedia GmbH Neugrabenweg 5-7 66123 Saarbruecken Germany fon: +49 (0) 681 - 3 79 88 - 0 fax: +49 (0) 681 -3 79 88 - 99
RE: Benchmarks should be better
Re: Security (run as root). In Unix/Linux, you don't have to. A guide to how to change this is posted at: http://www.orionsupport.com/articles/unixprocess.html -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2001 2:52 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: RE: Benchmarks should be better Just a little update.. I have completed benchmarks for the initial apache default index.html.en with 4 different http servers on Redhat 6.2 with AMD Thunderbird 650 and 128MB Ram. Apache 1.3.14 Tomcat 3.2 Weblogic 5.1 Orion 1.4.5 I couldn't believe my eyes when Orion served the static html faster than all of them (Beating apache by about a 30% margin using 20 threads with 5 sockets per thread. Another amazing thing was resource usage.. The highest CPU Usage I saw from Orion during the test was a mere 30 percent. If that is not a convincing factor, then I don't know what is. I still have some concerns about the security of orion (running on port 80 as root), and Apache is by nature a more memory intensive application. It uses a multi-process -vs- orion's multithreaded technique. Each process uses a few megs of memory, so for a large request base, apache will need more memory so it isn't getting page faults all over the place. ( I am also running oracle on this box which uses tonnes of memory as many know ) I'll slap in another 128M and see what happens. Any comments would be appreciated. Michael Quinn Software Engineer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Quinn Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 11:19 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Benchmarks should be better Hey all, I was checking out the benchmarks on www.orionserver.com and they are quite interesting. There are a couple of things I am wondering, however. How does Orion serving dynamic content pit itself -vs- apache serving static content or mod_perl stuff. It would be nice to take the other "sucky" java servers out of the picture and see a baseline comparison of Orion -vs- Apache on a lot of different scenarios. On a side note, can somebody forward me some performance comparisons from weblogic? I know they can't be posted on the website, but I would like to see them. The reason I ask is of the following importance: I see a lot of job postings for knowledge of Weblogic. And about 50% of telephone interviews ask about it, or bring it up. I want to know how it performs. I'm thinking about setting up Weblogic with Apache and Orion, and doing some performance comparisons which I will be glad to share with everyone. Thanks for your interest, Michael _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: App that runs on OrionServer but throws ajava.lang.VerifyError on weblogic 6.0
I am not a Web Logic guy (WebSphere and Tomcat), but I believe that, like IBM, BEA 'optimizes' their platform by writing much of the EJB functionality in C++ and compiling to 'native threads.' This looks like a class from Orion that is there to 'talk' to the EJB and could be deleted...check the manifest file in your .jar or .ear and then check javadoc to see if it is used. 'test' especially seems to speak to this. You might also check platform portability issues that are not explicitly supported in the 'naked' J2EE: i.e. anything that is not com.roo. (your wrote it) or com.sun (Sun/Blackdown/etc. wrote it) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ismael Blesa Part Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 11:55 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: App that runs on OrionServer but throws ajava.lang.VerifyError on weblogic 6.0 I think that this question is not a question that should not be posted in this maillist. Here there is a lot of people that has experience on j2ee programming and use OrionServer for developing J2EE applications but later they have to port their application to another J2EE application server, because OrionServer is not known and customer wants known ( but not necessary better ) application servers like Bea, Websphere, .etc. Then if you do not want to see any mail with subject like this one you are free to ignore it. I have written a very explanatory subjet to avoid that people that is not interested on this subject to open it. When I have the solution I will post it on the mail list to let other people to avoid this error take it or leave it . If you want other type of aclaration feel free to send me a private email KirkYarina wrote: The BEA support channels would seem to be a better place to ask this question. Would you ask a Win2K question on a linux support list? Kirk Yarina At 05:21 PM 1/30/01 +0100, you wrote: We have developed a web application that works fine under OrionServer. It has JSP, JavaBeans and Taglibs. Now we are testing with Bea Weblogic and there are some strange errors thrown by the server. It complains about (java.lang.VerifyError: (class: com/test/logic/integration/connectors/BeanConnector, method: connect signature: com/test/logic/MyData;Lcom/test/logic/Environment;Ljava/lang/String;)V) Incompatible object argument for function call) It is a very strange error, I have compiled all my code with javac (1.3.0_01) and also with jikes last version. I have changed also bea weblogic to point jdk to my installed jdk. The best of all this strange error is that this method is not called. ie: looking on the print messages I have put on the code, execution stops before the invocation of this method. I think that this error comes when the java virtual machine tries to load this class. Anybody has any idea about what is causing this error to appear? Regards, Ismael ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
