RE: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition

[jo]

Hey Lisa,

I'm a bit baffled by that quote.

My dictionary states that advocacy means - 

'support for people who are thought likely to be disregarded or to have
difficulty in gaining attention, so that their opinion is listened to'

And that lobbying means - 

'a group of campaigners and representatives of particular interests who try
to influence political policy on a particular issue'

Essentially isn't it one in the same - advocacy being on a more personal
level and lobbying being on a political level.

I can't really see how you can have one without the other. You need the
personal to get to the political. There would be no point in lobbying the
Govt or politicians if there is no one that you are advocating for.

In my limited understanding and it is limited, because I don't work for or
on behalf of MC, but don't Unions and other orgs or bodies that deal with
such issues do both. Whilst advocating on behalf of a group of people for a
particular issue, they try to influence political policy on that particular
issue.

Ok, I'll stop getting off track - back to Uni work!

Jo 




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Sent: Friday, 2 March 2007 12:56 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: Maternity coalition


 The way I understand the maternity coalition  are formally recognised as
 a lobbying goup.

This is something I read on a public forum about the MC,
 "Lobbying is a pretty dispassionate job and advocacy work can get in the 
way
 of effective lobbying"
 "Well, I know that MC did a lot of individual consumer advocacy in the 
early
 days but, realistically, MC cannot be an advocacy group and a lobby group
 simultaneously. Again, it's a simple issue of (wo)man power. Consider the
 fact that all active members are volunteers and almost all are mothers with
 babies and young children themselves and you'll understand that the
 face2face advocacy work is very time consuming and extremely stressful for
 an untrained individual to take on. You don't want unskilled people doing
 advocacy work!!"

 Maybe it should be clearer what exactly the maternity coalition do so woman
 understand how it's helping them and in what capacity and we can really get

it out there.

 Lisa Barrett


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> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 9:37 PM
> Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: web sites for antenatal information
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>> Dear Carol
>>
>> I have just squizzed your website and notice Maternity Coalition missing.
>>
>> It would be useful to link MC to help women to understand that they can
>> challenge obstetric domination (should they want to).
>>
>> Also helps to get it out there that there is a national maternity 
>> consumer
>> advocacy organisation.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Justine Caines
>> National President
>> Maternity Coalition Inc
>> PO Box 625
>> SCONE NSW  2329
>> Ph: (02) 65453612
>> Fax: (02)65482902
>> Mob: 0408 210273
>> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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Re: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek

[Jo Bourne]

I have had adverse reactions to fenugreek every time I have tried it  
and when I spoke to my homeopath about it she actually said she never  
recommends it herself because it seems rather innocuous but is  
actually quite a powerful diuretic and blood thinner and can cause  
exactly the problems I was having (dehydration no matter how much I  
drank, associated headaches, dizziness, and more). You might want to  
consider something like blessed thistle instead? There are so  
homeopathics which can boost supply wonderfully.


On 14/02/2007, at 9:45 AM, gypsymidwife wrote:


Dear All
Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of  
fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but  
as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if  
others have had experience with its use.

Thanks in advance.
Catherine Pearson.

Re: [ozmidwifery] fenugreek

[Jo Watson]

Hi Catherine.

I used it once or twice in the last 20 months.  I think it's 2  
capsules 3x per day, but I took one once and 6 hours later I had  
MELONS on my chest.  I don't think I really needed it, but I was just  
having one of those small moments of self-doubt.


Jo

On 14/02/2007, at 6:45 AM, gypsymidwife wrote:


Dear All
Just wondering if someone can help me with the therapeutic dose of  
fenugreek. I have heard it 's amazing to increase milk supply but  
as it says nothing of this on the bottle, I would like to know if  
others have had experience with its use.

Thanks in advance.
Catherine Pearson.

RE: [ozmidwifery] Sheila K @ HB conference

[jo]

Hi Julie,

I think 1991 she was here for the International Homebirth Conference held in
Sydney. She was also here a few years ago 2003?? 2004?? At the NACE
conference in Sydney.

All the best

jo

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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Sheila K @ HB conference


Hi All,
How many times has Sheila been to Australia? I saw her in Adelaide once in 
the mid eighties then again in about 1990 or 91. Does anyone remember the 
dates?
Cheers, Julie:)
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[ozmidwifery] 25th Homebirth Australia Conference

[jo]

HI all,

 

I am pleased to let you know that we now have a confirmed date and keynote
speaker for the 25th Homebirth Australia Conference.

 

The conference will be held in Adelaide on Sat and Sun, Nov 3rd and 4th
2007.

 

I have just had a definite confirmation from Sheila Kitzinger who will be
our keynote speaker over the weekend.

 

The theme for the conference is

 

"25 years on, HOMEBIRTH, paving the way for maternity reform"

 

It is most likely that this will be the last opportunity to hear Sheila
speak in Australia, so if you are keen, pop it in your diary now and over
the next month we will have more information regarding venues and
registrations.

 

Warm regards

 

Jo Hunter

 

Jo Hunter

National Convenor Homebirth Aus

Coordinator Homebirth Access Sydney

Innate Birth doula and CBE

(02) 47 51 9840

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Serena Esther arrived

[Jo Bourne]

Woohoo!! What wonderful, wonderful news Phillipa. Congratulations to  
you and all the family and friends who supported you.


On 04/02/2007, at 12:01 AM, Philippa Scott wrote:


Hi all,



I thought you would all like to know that Serena Esther Scott was  
born gently and beautifully into the water at home on 1/02/2007.  
She was a lovely 9pnd 7oz or 4280grams (my biggest by far). It was  
a perfect birth for us with no tears or bleeds or anything else to  
necessitate the need for assistance. As you can imagine I am on a  
high. Alana & Brianna watched with awe and excitement and are  
talking about it lot. It was so wonderful to have them there.  
Trevor is finally convinced home water birth is the way to go, he  
was terrific. All my women folk where as amazing as I knew they  
would be I am so blessed to have friends such as these. The  
experience would not have been the same with out them.




Cheers





Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards  
childbirth and labour.

President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville

Re: [ozmidwifery] Reflux

[Jo Bourne]

My second daughter seemed to me to be heading down the path of acid  
reflux and we had tremendous success with treating it  
homeopathically. She still vomited a lot but seemed to have less  
associated pain - changing pretty much over night into a "happy  
chucker".


And I have to say that whenever I tried to convey the volume she was  
bringing back up everyone always responded with the stock standard  
"Yes it looks like a lot doesn't it, but it's not". Interestingly  
enough after gaining poorly from 10w onwards she has started has now  
started solids and is gaining weight very well - and she is not  
eating huge amounts yet (1.5 solid meals a day), but none of that  
comes up, only the breastmilk. There may not be any connection  
between the reflux and her poor gain but I have to wonder a bit given  
how dramatically her weight gain has increased (average weekly gain  
has doubled) with the introduction of only one to one and a half  
meals a day


On 03/02/2007, at 1:28 PM, MHOOK wrote:

I don't know about over-diagnosis- my second baby (now 17) had  
reflux and it made her first six months the worst of my life. I'd  
had a perfectly normal time with my first baby, he was unsettled  
like most and woke at night until over 12 months but I considered  
that that was normal and looked forward to my second child with  
pleasure and anticipation.


It was a nightmare- not hte birth, that was fine, but from about 3  
weeks of age she screamed constantly, vomitted even while attached  
to the breast, never slept for more than 10 minutes at a time day  
or night- no one understood how terrible it was, she was obviously  
in pain, poor mite; my toddler was seriously shortchanged because  
how can you leave a child who is shrieking with pain to go and play  
with the other one. Just things like the carpet (whole house was  
carpeted, even the kitchen) being simply filthy from her constant  
vomiting, which was not projectile but which managed to defeat the  
towels etc I had strategically placed. The crying got me down  
dreadfully, this was nothing like I'd experienced with my first  
child. There was just no way to soothe her. I still have a colour  
chart I filled out at that time, showing her behaviour in ten  
minute slots over a week to show the baby health sister- red for  
unsettled, blue for feeding, green for sleeping etc. That sounds  
excessive but truly, I felt I needed evidence for people to believe  
me; they said things like, Oh yes it's difficult with two, in a  
patronising way as if it was just me not coping with an unsettled  
baby when I knew it was more than that.


We tried all the normal things, positioning, Early childhood  
centre, paediatrician, medication, nothing worked. Although she was  
fully breastfed she had the most atrocious constipation, stools  
like pieces of chalk that had to be drawn out when half expelled  
because she couldn't get it out. Finally I went to a homeopathic dr  
and whatever he gave her (smelt like pure alcohol but I was  
desperate enough to try anything!) fixed the pain overnight. She  
still vomitted and still was very wakeful but without the constant  
crying and pain behaviour it was so much easier to cope with.


I'd been told it would probably get better when she was standing up  
and it did, over about a week all the vomitting etc stopped and  
life became about a thousand times easier.


So I think that 'reflux' is very different from 'unsettled baby'  
but after what I went through I'd be inclined to give any mother  
who said her baby had reflux the benefit of the doubt, and the  
offer of a little help.


Monica


- Original Message -
From: Helen and Graham
To: ozmidwifery
Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reflux

Just found this article whilst surfing the net.  I feel anecdotally  
that both reflux and colic are overdiagnosed.  I am a midwife but  
not a MCH nurse.  If it is so common maybe it IS a normal  
variation..what do you think about it?  It just seems to me  
that some people aren't happy until they have a label and a  
medicine to treat it with when they have an "unsettled" baby.   
Maybe I am being too simplistic about this subject.


Interested in the thoughts of some of our online listers.

Helen

http://www.bubhub.com.au/newsletterdec0601.shtml

Reflux is so common it is almost seen as 'normal', or even trivial,  
and most people just don't understand how difficult life can be for  
many families, or understand the impact reflux can have on their  
lives! They may think of it erroneously as 'just a bit of  
vomiting', or 'just a behavioural issue'. They don't see how it  
impacts on the child's eating, sleeping, growth, behaviour or  
quality of life; or on the family's quality of life, relationships  
between partners, siblings or other children; finances; and even  
leisure time. The truth is, only families who have experienced it  
for themselves really understand.


Many familie

Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

[Jo Bourne]

Maybe I am alone in this but having coslept with our first and used a  
cot for #2 I found the opposite to be true - I get so much better  
quality sleep without the baby in bed with me that it is definitely  
worthwhile getting up even three times a night to feed her and then  
put her back in the cot. She is wonderfully secure and content and I  
really feel we have brought out the best in her sleep tendencies  
rather than the worst as we did with #1. Sleeping well is a life  
skill and to be honest I don't feel that we did #1 any favourss.


I am not suggesting that cosleeping be discrouraged, we would  
absolutely have done it again if the bassinets/cot plan hadn't  
worked. But I guess I just don't think that cosleeping is necessarily  
a miracle cure either. I think the best solution is assuring parents  
that cosleeping can be done safely, that they can't spoil a baby and  
that they should do what works for them whatever that is.



On 22/01/2007, at 8:53 PM, James Fairbairn wrote:


 but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired
mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding  
and having

a more secure and contented
baby

Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes

[Jo Watson]

I put on almost 20kg and mine had to be broken after the birth :)  I  
know it's just anecdote, but I find this stuff interesting.


Jo

On 22/01/2007, at 9:21 AM, Michelle Windsor wrote:

I haven't heard of this Jo but did read something fairly recently  
(possibly on this list!) that women who took vitamin C were less  
likely to have pre-labour ruptured membranes.  It is interesting  
that some women's membranes seem to break so easily, like when  
doing a VE and others stay intact until birth.  Maybe there is a  
relation between maternal nutrition and the membranes.


Cheers
Michelle

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From: Jo Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, 22 January, 2007 10:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes

I have absolutely no data on this, but someone once told me it  
correlates with weight gain during pregnancy.  Has anyone else  
heard of this?


Jo

On 21/01/2007, at 9:22 PM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote:


Hi all,

Can anyone comment on what makes the membranes 'tough'..ie. hard  
to break (AROM) or *slow* to break naturally ? (hard to measure  
yes) Does this exist or is it just something that happens?


Many thanks,

Kristin


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Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes

[Jo Watson]

I have absolutely no data on this, but someone once told me it  
correlates with weight gain during pregnancy.  Has anyone else heard  
of this?


Jo

On 21/01/2007, at 9:22 PM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote:


Hi all,

Can anyone comment on what makes the membranes 'tough'..ie. hard to  
break (AROM) or *slow* to break naturally ? (hard to measure yes)  
Does this exist or is it just something that happens?


Many thanks,

Kristin


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnancy and Crohns

[Jo Bourne]

When I was confirming what my health insurance would cover ($2k  
towards a planned homebirth and a private transfer if it became  
necessary) I explained that my pregnancy was somewhat high risk but  
the birth, if I was healthy at term, should not be. They asked what  
my OB thought about my home birth plans and left it at that (I  
believe I said "She knows I am planning to birth at home if all is  
well" or something like that). I don't get how they could possibly  
dictate what is safe beyond asking what your carer/s think?


On 16/01/2007, at 9:28 PM, Lisa Barrett wrote:

~thanks for that. I did tell her that I don't believe her to be  
high risk, but her health insurance fund has stepped in and said  
that the only place she would be safe to birth is at a large  
tertiary hospital (lucky her). It is sad to see that a woman who  
should be excited and cherishing every moment of her pregnancy has  
been fed doubt and despair from ill informed professionals.~


That's interesting, how long have insurance companies been  
dictating terms of birth here?


Lisa Barrett

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pregnancy testing

[Jo Bourne]

Some women just never spill bHCG, and just in general you can get a  
false negative but pretty much never a false positive.


On 08/01/2007, at 2:59 PM, Andrea Quanchi wrote:

Anne the pregnancy test reading levels of bHCG which are elevated  
only in  the first trimester and peak at 60-90 days post  
conception. They then decrease after 10-11 weeks  and plateau at  
100-130 days at a lower level that is maintained until birth and is  
not detectable by 2 weeks post birth. What the sensitivity of the  
test is I am not exactly sure but the answer is probably both these  
things. The level was not high at this stage so by the time the  
baby had been dead for a week the level was low enough not to be  
detected by the test.


Hope this helps

Andrea Q
On 08/01/2007, at 2:16 PM, Anne Smith wrote:

I have a question for you wise women – will give you some  
background first.




Young woman with a concealed or unacknowledged pregnancy at 26  
weeks presented with acute abdominal pain to a remote area health  
clinic.  No midwife was present and doctor had not practiced  
obstetrics for “years”.




The woman did not appear pregnant at all.  They did a pregnancy  
test and it was negative. They thought that renal colic may have  
been the cause.  No one could palpate contractions but eventually  
the doctor did a VE and discovered “something there”.




A very experienced nurse then “delivered” (and I use the word  
advisedly), the baby which was in a breech position.  Traumatic  
for everyone especially the woman, who was then transferred by  
plane to the nearest hospital.  I will be attending a debriefing  
session on Friday and would like to be able to at least explain  
the negative pregnancy test.




 Was this due to the demise of the baby (perhaps up to a week  
previously) or have the hormones altered so much that the test  
will not react -


   a. because of FDIU or

   b. advanced pregnancy or

   c. was there a technical problem with the  
test itself




Your input would be much appreciated.



Keep up the discussions on why women don’t choose or don’t know to  
choose more wisely when contemplating pregnancy because we do have  
a responsibility as midwives for disseminating this knowledge.




Many thanks



Anne (in the NT)

Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids

[Jo Bourne]

Are they getting a brand of witch hazel with too much alcohol in it?  
It should be pure double distilled witch hazel which usually has the  
tiniest amount of alcohol.


On 24/12/2006, at 6:49 PM, suzi and brett wrote:

Some women have complained to me that the witch hazel tincture  
burns so much they cant bear it...have you heard of  that prob?


There is also that thick Witch hazel barrier cream.

Also warm compress in labour is supportive.

Suzi


- Original Message -
From: Philippa Scott
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 1:35 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids

My naturopath out me on something called Phytopro by Metagenics. I  
take 2 3 times a day and they are gone within 1-2 days. When I stop  
taking them they come back. I only have them during pg and shortly  
after so not long to go know but they have been great.


Cheers



Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards  
childbirth and labour.

President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville



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Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 12:59 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids



Tissue salts are really effective and available in most health food  
shops, topical witchazel is excellent too.


J

- Original Message -

From: Michelle Windsor

To: Ozmidwifery

Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 12:26 PM

Subject: [ozmidwifery] Haemorroids



Hi everyone,



Just needing some help for a friend who is 36/40 with very painful  
haemorroids. Is there anything that can be done apart from  
symptomatic relief and not becoming constipated?  And in your  
experience how painful do women find them when they are pushing?




Thanks in advance

Michelle


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Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

[Jo Watson]

Thanks, Jayne.  I guess I don't fit that theory at all!  I am lucky  
to have no period.  I think my body knows it's not time for another  
baby just yet!


Jo

On 23/12/2006, at 1:19 PM, jayne/jesse wrote:


Hey Jo,

I've read (sorry I can't reference to it but this has been in my  
own general research because of my interest in the subject) that  
one of the factors that could play a part in fertility returning  
when a women is breastfeeding is in fact their level of body fat.   
It pinpointed those with a higher than average level of body fat  
were more likely to have a return of fertility despite fully  
breastfeeding and eliminating other supposed factors such as  
introducing solids.


But I think what you are saying is also very interesting.  My body  
fat levels increased from about the time baby was around 8 months  
onwards until I modified my diet and exercise programs back to what  
they were pre pregnancy/baby days.  Hormones??  I think with two of  
my babies, there were actually feeding a lot more (fully breastfed  
until close to 11 months old)  when I noticed this happening than  
as younger infants.  But lucky you on the no period yet!


This is what I'm trying to caution over re breastfeeding as a  
contraception - there seems to not be a fixed set of rules that can  
be given out to each individual.


Regards

Jayne



- Original Message -
From: Jo Watson
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

Hi Jayne,

Are you saying that maternal fat levels increase when ovulation  
returns?  If so, in which way? ie fatter = earlier or later?  I  
have put on a significant amount of weight since having my bub  
almost 19 months ago, and we are still breastfeeding about 5 times  
in 24 hours, but for the last 3 months or so, he's been getting no  
milk between about 8pm and 4am (ish, give or take).  I still have  
no periods!


Jo

On 22/12/2006, at 12:43 PM, jayne/jesse wrote:

Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your  
98%.  I have to agree with Janet though.  There are very real  
reasons why the 98% does not apply to all in our culture  
particularly.  Having 100% fully breastfed three babies from  
periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but  
did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole  
periods of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5  
months pp and the last one was the shocker.6 weeks pp!  I was  
fully aware of mucous signs before fertility returned and  
pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I thought my  
eyes were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it  
happened.  So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout  
98% success rates re breastfeeding as contraception


I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part -  
higher levels.  Mine was actually average to low at the times when  
fertility returned.  There was one thing that I feel triggered  
fertility returning and that was the point when my babies started  
to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch through the night.


Regards

Jayne




- Original Message -
From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I  
was trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping  
statements. Recently one of my moderators did some research on  
achieving fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with  
a list which could equally be applied to Kylie's article.  
Obviously LA works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue  
child-led weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can  
lie the problems for many people. Most people don't understand  
anything about bf in the first place, as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a  
member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2  
years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of  
refs  but some great ones : )


* Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache: 
1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/ 
finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea 
+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30)

* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no  
comfort sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less  
(McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H.  
Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy 

Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

[Jo Watson]

Hi Jayne,

Are you saying that maternal fat levels increase when ovulation  
returns?  If so, in which way? ie fatter = earlier or later?  I have  
put on a significant amount of weight since having my bub almost 19  
months ago, and we are still breastfeeding about 5 times in 24 hours,  
but for the last 3 months or so, he's been getting no milk between  
about 8pm and 4am (ish, give or take).  I still have no periods!


Jo

On 22/12/2006, at 12:43 PM, jayne/jesse wrote:

Being 100% pro breastfeeding Barb, I'd like to go along with your  
98%.  I have to agree with Janet though.  There are very real  
reasons why the 98% does not apply to all in our culture  
particularly.  Having 100% fully breastfed three babies from  
periods of 6 months to 11 months, not used bottles or dummies but  
did indeed co-sleep, sling baby and suckle on demand for the whole  
periods of time indicated, I became fertile at 4 months pp, 5  
months pp and the last one was the shocker.6 weeks pp!  I was  
fully aware of mucous signs before fertility returned and  
pinpointed them exactly except with the last one, I thought my eyes  
were playing tricks on me and I didn't believe it until it  
happened.  So because of my experiences, I'm reluctant to spout 98%  
success rates re breastfeeding as contraception


I have also heard that maternal fat levels can play a part - higher  
levels.  Mine was actually average to low at the times when  
fertility returned.  There was one thing that I feel triggered  
fertility returning and that was the point when my babies started  
to sleep for periods of 4 to 6 hours at a stretch through the night.


Regards

Jayne




- Original Message -
From: Janet Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception

I don't think it's risky or tricky, or silly for that matter. I was  
trying to be thorough in my reply and not make sweeping statements.  
Recently one of my moderators did some research on achieving  
fertility again while breastfeeding so she came up with a list  
which could equally be applied to Kylie's article. Obviously LA  
works a treat if you look at cultures which pursue child-led  
weaning but western culture just doesn't and therein can lie the  
problems for many people. Most people don't understand anything  
about bf in the first place, as we all know ; )
Here's the list in case you're interested, Kylie. It was for a  
member with a 2 year old who'd like to ttc but hasn't bled in 2  
years and with no signs of bfing slowing. It's a very mixed bag of  
refs  but some great ones : )


* Feeding EBM by bottle (http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache: 
1ilEf4An7dMJ:www.bfmed.org/ace-files/protocol/ 
finalcontraceptionprotocolsent2.pdf+lactational+am enorrhea 
+fertility&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=30)

* Supplementing feeds (formula or solids)
* Increased use of pacifiers
* Feeding on schedule instead of on demand
* Increased intervals between feeds (4hrs during day, 6hrs at night)
* Waiting until bub is 6mths or older
* Reduce time at the breast during a feed (shorter feeds, no  
comfort sucking)
* Reduce total time at the breast per day to 65 min or less  
(McNeilly AS, Glasier AF, Howie PW, Houston MJ, Cook A,Boyle H.  
Fertility after childbirth: pregnancy associated with
breast feeding. Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1983 Aug;19(2):167-73.,  
http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Reduce night time feeds (Heinig MJ, Nommsen-Rivers LA, Peerson  
JM, Dewey KG. Factors related to duration of postpartum amenorrhoea  
among USA women with prolonged lactation. J Biosoc Sci. 1994 Oct;26 
(4):517-27.,http://www.medela.com/NewFiles/faq/lam.html)
* Stop co-sleeping, including no naps with your child during the  
day (Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How  
Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to  
Couple League International, 1999,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)
* Be separated from your child for more than 3 hours a day  
(Kippley, Sheila. Breastfeeding and Natural Child Spacing: How  
Ecological Breastfeeding Spaces Babies. Cincinnati: Couple to  
Couple League International, 1999,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
Lactational_Amenorrhea_Method)


And what if you're a co-sleeping, fully BFing, no pacifier, BF on  
demand mumma? How long will it be until your period returns?  
"Average return of menses for women following all [...] criteria is  
14 months, with some reports as soon as 2 months and others as late  
as 42 months." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lactati...norrhea_Method


Of course, once your period does return, continuing breastfeeding  
can still affect your chances of conception. (http:// 
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...t_uids=7761906)


Reference pages - very eclectic mix some ok, some good
h

Re: [ozmidwifery] Are breastfed kids smarter?

[Jo Bourne]

You know I have friends whose mother's recollections of what happened  
when they were babies vary rather wildly from what was recorded in  
their blue books when they tried to confirm stuff to see if there was  
a family pattern going on with the next generation. You would assume  
that mothers would recall accurately whether they breastfed at all,  
but I would not find it hard to believe that memories of when solids  
or formula were introduced might be hazy or inaccurate. I think of my  
first daughter as not starting solids until she was well over a year  
because that is when she consumed enough for her poo to change, I  
have no real memories of trying to feed her solids much before that,  
but I recently found photos that prove otherwise and this was less  
than 4 yrs ago!


On 18/12/2006, at 8:55 PM, diane wrote:


Cant trust a woman to know how she fed her baby

Another problem with this study and many others is their reliance  
on mother's memories of how they fed their infants, often a long  
time after the fact.


Cheers,
Di

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Re: [ozmidwifery] deep vein thrombosis in pregnancy and birth

[Jo Bourne]

The message I got as a consumer when taking clexane was that whether  
to stop at 36-38w and wait for labour or whether to be induced 24 hrs  
after stopping depends very much on the severity of the condition  
that requires the clexane in the first place. I stopped at 34w.  But  
this really should be a case by case decision I would think. With  
more severe problems the concern is to get you into labour as soon as  
the anti coagulant is enough out of your system to be "safer" but  
before it is too far gone and you introduce other risks...


On 06/12/2006, at 9:33 PM, Ken Ward wrote:


NO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- 
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Sent: Wednesday, 6 December 2006 6:04 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] deep vein thrombosis in pregnancy and birth

so is an induction really necessary?  I think that is her main  
concern.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] deep vein thrombosis in pregnancy and birth

In my experience woemn just stop taking the anticoagulants at  
around 36 weeks.

- Original Message -
From: Jenny Turnbull
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:36 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] deep vein thrombosis in pregnancy and birth

A lady has approached me with the following question.  Her baby is  
due at the end of January.


 Hello, hoping I could get some opinions on the following matter.

I had a deep vein thrombosis, in my calf at 12 weeks of pregnancy  
and have been taking Clexane since then.  I am due late Jan 2007
My obsterician has flagged the idea of an induction (somewhere  
around 38 week mark) so that I can time stopping the medication  
with the birth.  Her concern is I will bleed too much otherwise.


I would like some help on the following:
what would be some good questions to ask the specialist to help  
weigh up my options for birth eg to induce or not and other related  
matters eg relative

risks
Are you aware of mothers that have given birth whilst taking  
Clexane and what the outcomes have been.


Thanks for your responses, I will forward them on
Jenny


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Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery

[Jo Bourne]

I am sorry, I should have added that there were no one-to-one options  
available to me at a hospital practical to my location and none of  
the women I know who have recently birthed at the hospital I was  
booked to have received any sort of personalised care. The care might  
possibly be evidenced based but certainly there is no rapport or  
getting to know women as individuals. If I wanted the care I  
described I needed and IMP in my current location. I also wanted the  
choice of a homebirth if I made it to term healthy enough, but that  
was a big if at the start of my pregnancy, which is why I was booked  
into a hospital too, and had a private OB to manage my medications,  
monitoring, and other specialist care.


Our first daughter was born in a fabulous hospital in Adelaide and  
the care provide to us by the midwives could not be faulted. If that  
hospital were still an option for us we might have made some  
different choices, though it's highly unlikely I would have qualified  
for midwife care in the public hospital system given my "high risk"  
status.




On 01/12/2006, at 11:45 AM, sharon wrote:

I am an hospital based midwife and I believe that I do give  
evidence based

care, the hospital that I work for is working on a homebirth standard
presently and the group practice will soon be able to offer women  
homebirths
provided the individual midwife is confortable to offer this  
service. The
individual midwives in the DE are quick to develop rapport with  
their women

and they also are good at getting to know the women and their needs. I
dislike people on this list who  consitantly run down hospital based
midwives and the care that they provide can people please remember  
that IMP
is not for everyone although it is a good way to develop and  
maintain your

skills.   cheers

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To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery


It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take
them
somewhere they can't provide you with it?


Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING
a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares
about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you
are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you
ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth)
that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical
extravaganza given my health issues.  Without my midwife not only
would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to
term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even
a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I
haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not
be a requirement of hiring an IPM.
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Re: [ozmidwifery] independent midwifery

[Jo Bourne]

It puzzles me too. Why choose an evidence based carer and then take  
them

somewhere they can't provide you with it?


Because if you know you have a higher than average change of NEEDING  
a hospital if might be nice to have someone who knows you, cares  
about you and will actually give you evidence based advice while you  
are there. Women in this situation need an ipm MORE not less if you  
ask me... Even my midwife confessed (after the magical homebirth)  
that she had expected me to end up in hospital with a medical  
extravaganza given my health issues.  Without my midwife not only  
would there not have been the option of homebirth if I made it to  
term healthy, there probably would have been almost no chance of even  
a remotely natural birth in hospital, for a whole host of reasons I  
haven't time to explain right now. Planning a home birth should not  
be a requirement of hiring an IPM.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs

[Jo Bourne]

Actually my out of pocket costs for my OB were pretty much equal to  
my out of pocket costs for my midwife. Even with private health  
insurance and the medicare safetynet private OBs are far more  
expensive in Sydney than elsewhere too.


The real question as far as Im concerned (& yes I have a 'vested  
interest' as a midwife, which I guess is slightly different to the  
vested interest I had when I was a consumer of homebirth midwifery  
services) is why are women being made to pay out of their own  
pockets at all just because they choose to birth at home? If women  
had to pay up-front for obstetric services, ie they were not  
provided 'free' by the public health system nor were rebatable by  
the majority of private health insurance companies, then this  
conversation might have some balance to it.
I think some of the answers to the question of differences in  
charges of homebirth midwifery services is more about supply and  
demand, cost of living in different geographical areas, the fact as  
Mary has stated that midwifery service is traditionally undervalued  
not just within the profession but by other health professionals  
and consumers alike.and we are meant to be seen as 'caring' and  
how caring can you be when you actually charge what your service is  
worth, when you want to provide care to women whether they can  
afford it or not, regardless of their financial situation, when the  
midwife in the next suburb or state charges significantly  
differently because she has different financial needs or different  
ways of practice or .
Please just take into account that every single independently  
practising midwife I know has worked for no or very little pay,  
sometimes by choice because we dont want to turn away a woman  
desperate for a homebirth, or because we've had a client who either  
didnt pay or didnt pay the agreed amount. Please also take into  
account that every single homebirth a midwife attends is a major  
financial risk in terms of the lack of PI insurance - we can be  
sued by anyone at any time with no recourse to any sort of support,  
and yes we all want to believe this doesnt happen but it does  
actually, enough that a significant number of midwives stopped  
practicing independantly after the PII was no longer available.
Rather than asking why are women in NSW paying more, the question  
should be why are women in other states paying less? And why are  
they being made to pay at all, when homebirth is provided free in  
some very specific areas and obstetric care is 'free' everywhere?


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Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth costs

[Jo Bourne]

Speaking as a consumer who just paid sydney prices for a homebirth -  
the cost of living is higher here than most if not all other cities  
in Australia. It's one of those odd things that some careers are FAR  
better paid in Sydney than elsewhere, others are not. We, for example  
are far better off living in Sydney because my husband's pay is FAR  
better, my mother on the other hand (who recently moved here to be  
near us) was financially better off in Adelaide as her pay here the  
same (or less) but her costs are higher. I have no problem with  
someone who can set their own rate of pay doing so at a level that is  
proportional to their cost of living.


My midwife came to me for all visits, she was with us for a magical  
birth at the end of a fairly awful pregnancy that could not possibly  
have ended so well without her care and the post natal care in our  
home was exceptional. She took care of things like having synto and  
vit k available should i need them, and everything else we might  
need. I believe she takes on a maximum of 24 clients a year, this  
year more like 10-12. Even with 24 clients, let alone 10-12, less  
costs I imagine it works out to an "average wage" at best.


We should not have to pay for homebirth, but neither should midwives  
have to earn less than they are worth,  so we can have the choice.


On 18/11/2006, at 10:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi Barb,

I think it's wonderful that you had such an amazing birth and wish  
for all women to have such an experience. From my understanding,  
many Sydney midwives ask their clients to come to them not vice  
versa. So a lot of their care is not midwifery care at home, rather  
it is out of their home until the final weeks. I'm not sure about  
all midwives, but this seems more common place now in Sydney.


And, you get paid $4000 to have a child these days.  Midwifery  
care at

home?  It's a bargain.


I find it very interesting that people see you get paid to have a  
baby. I was under the impression that the baby bonus was given to  
help mums to be able to afford to stay home longer from work, or  
upgrade their car if they need more space, or buy car seats,  
slings, good food for nourishment while breastfeeding etc. The only  
women I know that can afford to spend that whole $4000 on midwifery  
care are the women that didn't need that money in the first place.  
The women that choose to spend the whole amount even though they  
can't afford it, because they have no other choice in Sydney, have  
no benefits from the baby bonus for living expenses with a newborn.  
There is no bargain if you can't afford it.


I understand the value of midwives and continuity of care and  
midwifery care at home, but why should women in Sydney and NSW be  
paying that much more?? Nobody has answered that question. I'm not  
questioning the value of midwifery care, more why Sydney midwifery  
care is so much more 'valuable' in the dollars and sense kind of way?


Love Abby xo
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Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

[Jo Watson]

Ah, ok.  Thanks for clarifying.  :)

Jo

On 15/11/2006, at 6:25 PM, Melissa Singer wrote:


Hi Jo,

I think it is not licenced for use for induction of labour with  
live babies in australia.  It's ok for stillbirth induction and pph.


Melissa
- Original Message - From: "Jo Watson"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


From what I've heard, it is a drug not licensed for use in   
obstetrics (but it is used, obviously) ... I can't remember it's   
primary function though.  And I can't be bothered googling right now.


Jo

On 15/11/2006, at 5:02 PM, meg wrote:

I work at a major tertiary hospital-we stock misoprostil and use  
it  with

pph's so I think it is licenced.

Meg

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From: "Lisa Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


misoprostal isn't licenced here is Australia.  I wouldn't be  
prescribing

it
if I were a GP.  When I was Working at a private Hospital  the  
Obs  kept it
in their own possesion.  It isn't licenced to be kept at the   
hospital as

far
as I know.  The pharmacy at the hospital wouldn't touch it.   
It's  not the

sort of drug you should have at a homebirth anyway.
Lisa Barrett
- Original Message -
From: "Philippa Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


I am hoping to get a script for Misoprostal (sp) for my   
homebirth. Any

ideas. Should I just ask a GP? What are they liable for if they do
prescribe
it.
Cheers

Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards  
childbirth

and
labour.
President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of  
Robyn Dempsey

Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:10 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

Yes, the synto is about $100 a box. So what I do, is buy/pay  
for one

box,
which lasts for the next women ( does that make sense?), I only  
use

Synto
about once a year! ( and then there are the years you need it  
3  times in

a

row!)

Robyn D
- Original Message -
From: "Jennifairy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about   
synto and
other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have  
to  have a
script from a doctor? The other issue that I do find  
difficult  is the

issue


of cost for homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been  
for

friends
and colleagues. Does anyone have a schedule of payment and  
cost  that

they
use? I am meeting with a couple on Monday and would love to  
have  a bit

more



idea. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks Cath



Had a client recently who I sent to her GP for a script for   
synt. She

got
the script, went to the chemist to fill it & found it was  
going  to cost

her around $80 to get it - they only sold it in the boxes of five

vials.

I


ended up asking around my MIPP friends & managed to find some   
that way

(dint need it anyway so its still in my fridge).
If you give me your postal address Im happy to post some to  
you  - my
understanding is that its ok to keep it out of the fridge for  
a  time.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

[Jo Watson]

From what I've heard, it is a drug not licensed for use in  
obstetrics (but it is used, obviously) ... I can't remember it's  
primary function though.  And I can't be bothered googling right now.


Jo

On 15/11/2006, at 5:02 PM, meg wrote:

I work at a major tertiary hospital-we stock misoprostil and use it  
with

pph's so I think it is licenced.

Meg

- Original Message -
From: "Lisa Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


misoprostal isn't licenced here is Australia.  I wouldn't be  
prescribing

it
if I were a GP.  When I was Working at a private Hospital  the Obs  
kept it
in their own possesion.  It isn't licenced to be kept at the  
hospital as

far
as I know.  The pharmacy at the hospital wouldn't touch it.  It's  
not the

sort of drug you should have at a homebirth anyway.
Lisa Barrett
- Original Message -
From: "Philippa Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


I am hoping to get a script for Misoprostal (sp) for my  
homebirth. Any

ideas. Should I just ask a GP? What are they liable for if they do
prescribe
it.
Cheers

Philippa Scott
Birth Buddies - Doula
Assisting women and their families in the preparation towards  
childbirth

and
labour.
President of Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robyn  
Dempsey

Sent: Wednesday, 15 November 2006 12:10 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc

Yes, the synto is about $100 a box. So what I do, is buy/pay for one

box,

which lasts for the next women ( does that make sense?), I only use

Synto
about once a year! ( and then there are the years you need it 3  
times in

a

row!)

Robyn D
- Original Message -
From: "Jennifairy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] getting synto etc


I have a few births at home coming up and was wondering about  
synto and
other drugs in my kit. How do others purchase them? Do I have to  
have a
script from a doctor? The other issue that I do find difficult  
is the

issue



of cost for homebirth.Others I have been involved in have been for

friends
and colleagues. Does anyone have a schedule of payment and cost  
that

they
use? I am meeting with a couple on Monday and would love to have  
a bit

more



idea. Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,

Thanks Cath



Had a client recently who I sent to her GP for a script for  
synt. She

got
the script, went to the chemist to fill it & found it was going  
to cost

her around $80 to get it - they only sold it in the boxes of five

vials.

I


ended up asking around my MIPP friends & managed to find some  
that way

(dint need it anyway so its still in my fridge).
If you give me your postal address Im happy to post some to you  
- my
understanding is that its ok to keep it out of the fridge for a  
time.

cheers
--

Jennifairy Gillett RM

Midwife in Private Practice

Women's Health Teaching Associate

ITShare volunteer - Santos Project Co-ordinator
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Call to action

[Jo Watson]

This looks pretty exciting so far!  Will have to read it in depth  
first though.


I've printed out the document to read while waiting in waiting rooms  
and the like ;)


Jo


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FW: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie

[jo]

This didn’t come back to me –
aplogies if you receive it twice.

 

J

 









From: jo
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006
4:54 PM
To: 'ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au'
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] doula
for tassie



 

Wow, Felicity. Thank you so much for this
info, she’s going to be over the moon.

 

I’ll pass it all on to her so you
may hear from her sometime very soon. How fabulous is the internet!

 

Jo x

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Stephen & Felicity
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006
1:49 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
for tassie



 



I forgot to
put contact info for IMs in Hobart...she might like to contact Rashelle Szoke
(IM); Rashelle also runs the "Birth and Beyond" group every week, and
I know Rashelle was compiling a list of careproviders and support people as I
was contacted to be added - so she might be able to help.  Rashelle can be
reached on 03 6267 4740.  Another option is Terri Stockdale (IM) who also
works casually at the Royal Hobart Hospital and so might be able to provide
insight into VBAC support there too - Terri can be reached on 03 6231
0633.  There is also a male IM in Hobart whose contact details I don't
have but Terri or Rashelle would be able to provide them; also, two more IMs
are apparently moving to Tassie around December and will be operating in Hobart
(I don't recall who they are but again, Terri or Rashelle would know) so
there's more options there potentially too.







 





Hi all,

 

Does
anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy
chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a
vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if I’d travel to Tassie in
March next year to support her.

 

Any
contacts would be wonderful.

 

Thanks
in advance

 

Jo x

 

Jo Hunter

National
Convenor Homebirth Aus

Coordinator
Homebirth Access Sydney

Innate
Birth doula and CBE

(02)
47 51 9840

 

RE[ozmidwifery] doula for tassie

[jo]

Hi Renee,

 

She lives in a place called Donn (sp?)
apparently near Devonport. She doesn’t have email but is calling me back
tomorrow and I said I’d try to have some info for her then.

 

Thanks Renee

 

Jo x

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Renee Adair
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006
12:37 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [SPAM][ozmidwifery]
doula for tassie



 



Hey Jo,





 





got a couple of doulas in Tassie but they
are not near Hobart or Launceston. Where abouts is the woman? Can get some more
information for you to pass on or give my details so I may speak or email with
the woman directly.





Cheers,





 





Renee





BIRTH CENTRAL  Ph - 02 9560
8288 email - [EMAIL PROTECTED]





-Original Message-
From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of jo
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006
11:50 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [SPAM][ozmidwifery] doula
for tassie

Hi all,

 

Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any
hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive
of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2
c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if
I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her.

 

Any contacts would be wonderful.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Jo x

 

Jo Hunter

National Convenor
Homebirth Aus

Coordinator Homebirth
Access Sydney

Innate Birth doula and CBE

(02) 47 51 9840

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] doula for tassie

[jo]

Great! Thanks Jan. Have just emailed them.

 

Was wondering how the insurance for
midwives is going, are you nearly at the 200 needed?

 

Cheers

 

Jo x

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006
12:28 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Cc: Rosie Green Liz Ekins
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula
for tassie



 

Try the Launceston Birth
Centre Jo ,,, Jean,Rosie or Liz might have some contacts.
email: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All the best
Jan
Jan Robinson Independent
Midwife Practitioner
National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives
8 Robin Crescent South
Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350
e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website:
www.midwiferyeducation.com.au
On 8 Nov, 2006, at 11:50, jo wrote:

Hi all,

 

Does anyone know of any doulas
working in Tassie and any hospitals, midwives or OB’s
supportive of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who
has had 2 c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as
to ask if I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her.

 

Any contacts would be wonderful.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Jo x

 

Jo
Hunter

National
Convenor Homebirth Aus

Coordinator
Homebirth Access Sydney

Innate
Birth doula and CBE

(02)
47 51 9840

 

[ozmidwifery] doula for tassie

[jo]

Hi all,

 

Does anyone know of any doulas working in Tassie and any
hospitals, midwives or OB’s supportive
of VBAC. Have just had a lengthy chat on the phone with a woman who has had 2
c/sections and is desperate for a vaginal birth. Even went as far as to ask if
I’d travel to Tassie in March next year to support her.

 

Any contacts would be wonderful.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Jo x

 

Jo Hunter

National Convenor
Homebirth Aus

Coordinator Homebirth
Access Sydney

Innate Birth doula and CBE

(02) 47 51 9840

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] International Help

[Jo Watson]

Thanks heaps, Paivi and Janet!  I will pass that on.

Jo



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[ozmidwifery] International Help

[Jo Watson]

Hi wise women :)Someone on another newsgroup I subscribe to has this request... can anyone help?I am giving a talk on midwifery to a group of obstetricians next week.We are in the US but I am interested in comparing our model of carewith other countries.I am having a particularly difficult time finding descriptivestatistics on midwifery practice in other countries. I would like toknow the percentage of births attended by midwives vs. physicians inthe UK, Scandanavia, continental Europe, Australia. A comparison ofperinatal outcomes for these countries would also be helfpul.Can anyone help?Note: references for information are essential.Thanks,Jo

[ozmidwifery] FW: Birth Choices Info Night- 3 Nov

[jo]

 

FYI

 

Jo

 

Jo Hunter

National Convenor
Homebirth Aus

Coordinator Homebirth
Access Sydney

Innate Birth doula and CBE

(02) 47 51 9840

 









From: Felicity Gibbins
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006
9:13 AM
To: Felicity Gibbins
Subject: Birth Choices Info Night-
3 Nov



 

Pregnant? Planning a baby?

 

BIRTH CHOICES

In the

Inner West

 

Information Night

 

Come and talk to:

Birth consumers, midwives, childbirth educators, doulas, yoga
teachers, acupuncturists, 

herbalists, naturopaths, physiotherapists and other birth service
providers about 

having the birth you want, at home or in hospital.

 

Friday 3rd November

6pm-9pm 

(with a guest speaker at 7pm)

 

Annandale Community Centre

49a Johnston St Annandale

 

For more
information:

Jan on 9546 4350 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Jo on 0432 561 232
or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Greta on 0402 035
069 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Admission is free

 

Each family will
receive a free sample bag and there will be a lucky door prize given away on
the evening. 

 

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness week...

[jo]

Good for you Tania, I hope all goes well –
let us know! 

 

After our phone conversation last night I
suppose you can give dates for the next Homebirth Australia Conference!

 

love

Jo x

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Tania Smallwood
Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006
3:06 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Homebirth
Awareness week...



 

 

Right back at ya Jo!  I’ve just received a call from
the producer of Radio Adelaide’s brekkie show, and I’m getting a whole 7
minutes on air tomorrow morning to promote HBAW and homebirth in general! 
It’s a community radio station, and I know they don’t have the listeners that
some of the more commercial stations do, but I’m still getting really nervous!

 

Tania

x








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Re: [ozmidwifery] BFing lactose intolerant babies.

[Jo Bourne]

http://kellymom.com is a great source of breastfeeding information.

On 25/10/2006, at 8:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi everyone,

I'm after some advice or information of BFing a baby who is lactose
intolerant.  Where can I find some information on this?

Cheers,
Sam.

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[ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness Week

[jo]

Hi all,

 

Happy Homebirth Awareness Week! 

 

I hope there’s lots of awareness going on around
the country!

 

Love Jo x

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding help in Mackay

[Jo Watson]

Kenacomb ointment on the nipples tiny amount and dab off before expressing (perhaps by hand?) and yes you can give baby EBM with blood in it - as long as she is hep c and hiv neg.Good luck to her!  It can be done!JoOn 23/10/2006, at 7:43 AM, diane wrote:HiI have a friend who birthed last week at the Mater and is having probs with flat/inverted nipples. Very damaged and is AF as of yesterday. She is quite motivated to breastfeed. Any one have any suggestions as to who she can see up there? (had already been back in to the hosp and was told under no circumstances to give the baby EBM with blood in it!!). Im still 3 weeks away from moving up there so cant help for now, except on phone! Sounds like maybe a bacterial infection beginning on nipples but no sign of mastitis yet. But nipples are too painful to even express right now, I have discussed pain relief and importance of expressingJust spoke with her and she is going to call the LC at the Mater (Toni?) but I would love to be able to offer her some options in case she cant get help there.Cheers,Di

RE: [ozmidwifery] rural maternity services

[jo]

Wow Di , what a fabulous story!

 

I have a doula client birthing in Jan. She
is from a place called Wee Waa and they have no maternity services. She is traveling
4 ½ hours to Bathurst
to stay with family

before her due date. There are also no
doula’s out that way so I am traveling 2 ½ hours from the lower mtns to Bathurst to be her doula.
It just seems so crazy and I really feel for these women. She’s expressed
how she’ll prob go straight to hospital because she doesn’t feel
comfortable labouring in front of her teenage nephews and brother in law.

 

I’ll have a chat with her about your
success story Di.

 

Thanks for sharing

 

Jo 

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of D. Morgan
Sent: Monday, 23 October 2006
11:17 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] rural
maternity services



 





Hi Louise,





Just a comment about rural maternity services or lack of!!





I am a midwife in a rural facility and was hitting my head
against the wall trying to get birthing back to our town. We have a Midwives
clinic which wasn't well attended and lots of times couldn't bring postnatals
back because we had no beds. (We are now marketing our product to the local
GP's!!)





 





Well one day, about 6 mths ago; along came two consumers
from our town to ask why we had birthing taken away and why we couldn't get it
back . This spurred me on again and together they(as a group) of
consumers/Midwives are at a point where the district has set up a committee to
work out the appropriate model of care for our birthing women.





It can be done, but it must come from consumers and they
must lobby there local politician and district health service for support.
Our group affiliated with Maternity Coalition who have been really wonderful.
>From a Midwives perspective I have learned so much in the last 6 months and
feel supported to continue the fight for our community.





Go for it. You only need one or two passionate people.





Cheers





Di M

RE: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas need insurance?

[jo]

Hi Kristin,

 

I’ve been working as a doula for 5
years now. Doula’s are not medically trained and do not give advise but
rather present a list of options so that the birthing woman can make a truly informed
decision herself, therefore insurance is not necessary. The doulas role is to physically
and emotionally support the birthing woman and her family. In terms of advocating,
it is always ideal for the woman to advocate for herself. So if things are
suggested that are against her wishes, posing the question back to the woman or
reminding her of what is written on her birth plan – I can’t see
that any of this would require insurance.

 

Warn regards

Jo Hunter

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kristin Beckedahl
Sent: Sunday, 22 October 2006
10:29 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Do Doulas
need insurance?



 



I
have been asked this by a couple who would like me to be their doula at their
birth.

I
said that I consider myself as 'birth support' and could be a friend, relative
or even a midwife off duty I suppose...?

Does
anyone know anymore about insurance and doulas?  As a Naturopath, I have
Medical Malpractise & Public/Products liability - which also covers me for
my CBE work.

Kristin


 

 












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Re: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases

[Jo Watson]

I can have a look at work this afternoon if it's not too chaotic.See what I come up with.JoOn 19/10/2006, at 10:06 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:"Has something significant changed in the last 12 years then Mary?" Lisa, the usual "window", especially when technology and machines is concerned is 5 yrs. Sometimes older research is used when there are multiple research papers over a long period of time, like in newborn jaundice."What you could do Mary is ask them what research they are using to back up the use of cord gases and see how long ago that was produced".I have never collected a cord sample for "gasses" as I only practice in homebirth.  I guess we could look up the protocols for taking the cord blood and see what the references.  Could someone who works in a hospital do that for us please? MM 

Re: [ozmidwifery] We can make a difference (long)

[Jo Watson]

On 17/10/2006, at 8:45 AM, Heartlogic wrote:




Many (if not all) words from health professionals are hypnotic, and  
wire their way into a woman's mind and experience.




While I agree with this in relation to women and birth, I have to (in  
most cases) disagree with this in regards to breastfeeding advice and  
support.  MOST of the women I look after postnatally just don't  
listen or don't believe the advice they recieve - they don't trust  
their bodies.  It's like the birth experience has been owned by  
someone else, and now they are being asked to trust their body, and  
that baby knows what he's doing, wanting to be on the breast every  
hour, for example to get the milk in - and they just don't believe  
it.No amount of education seems to make much difference, sadly.   
Do these women get sick of us telling them that it's normal?  Would  
they be happier if we said, "well actually, you don't have enough  
milk, so we'll need to intervene and give formula"?


Just musing :)

Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] doubles

[Jo Watson]

Just singles here, Mary.Hope you're well :)xxJoOn 14/10/2006, at 4:16 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:I am receiving 2 of everyone’s emails.  Is this happening to others or just me?  MM

Re: [ozmidwifery] cord blood gases

[Jo Watson]

Absolutely routine in private births where I work, but getting there  
with the public ones, too, sadly.


Jo

On 13/10/2006, at 4:07 PM, Naomi Wilkin wrote:


Hi all,
Just wondering how common it is for cord blood gases to be done in  
maternity units.  I work in a small metro. hospital with a very  
busy maternity unit and our medical 'powers that be' are pushing  
for them to be done at every birth.  Something we, the midwives,  
are very, very reluctant to do.
I was also wondering if anyone knows of any research that may help  
us to prevent this from becoming a routine thing.


Thanks
Naomi.


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Re: [ozmidwifery] term breech trial - ECV option

[Jo Watson]

Justine I would LOVE to see these !!JoOn 12/10/2006, at 9:49 PM, Justine Caines wrote: As a British midwife I have experienced lots of breeches but this was the first time in the water.  It was amazing as the water stopped that hang and the pressure that the cord is sometimes under.  Apart from dropping my trousers there was no contact with the woman and her baby, just whispers and encouragement.  She did it totally unassisted complete hand off the breech.I feel so proud to be involved with women who have such confidence in their birthing ability. That's half the problems we are facing here.  Both women and lots of midwives are scared and don't trust birth.  As a midwife we should be highly skilled and knowledgeable, but knowing when to get involved and when to just watch is the greatest skill of all. Lisa Barrett  Hi Lisa, Mary and All  What a great story!  My 2nd twin was breech and was also born into water (untouched until the very end).  I had caught twin 1 but wasn’t as quick with twin 2 so as she slid out one of our wonderful midwives lightly pushed the babe back towards the front so she would not bob up behind me and instead floated to the front and was essentially caught by me.  My babe was footling breech (single).  First I knew was our midwife said there’s a foot. I remember thinking as her body slid out, brace yourself for the head but it was really quite easy (yes I had just birthed another babe I know!!).  She had apgars of 9 and 9. The only discernable difference between her cephalic sister and her was she was a teeny bit ‘shocked’ and had a wee cry.  I am going to try and upload the photos somehow as quite a few people have contacted me (out of interest re twins)  JC

RE: [ozmidwifery] Celeb Midwifery Aspirations

[jo]

Title: Celeb Midwifery Aspirations








How about asking her to do a segment on
home birth on her foxtel show.

 

Jo

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Justine Caines
Sent: Wednesday, 11 October 2006
10:24 AM
To: OzMid List
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Celeb
Midwifery Aspirations



 

Dear All

On a quick flick through this weeks New Idea I read of Antonia Kidman’s
(Nicole’s sis) is thinking of becoming a midwife. She is also expecting
her 4th child next March.

She currently hosts a show on Foxtel called “Here to Maternity”
following couples from pregnancy through birth to postnatal days.  Has
anyone seen it?

She is also an Ambassador for Sydney’s Royal Hospital
for Women at Randwick.
 I have not seen anything great or progressive (as you would understand).
 I think it would be good to make an approach to her because in the
article she mentions the Nursing application forms!! :((

Guess we should let her know about B Mid and encourage her to think about what
it means to be a midwife etc

Anyone on list working at Women’s?

In solidarity

Justine Caines
National Policy Co-ordinator
Maternity Coalition Inc
PO Box 625
SCONE NSW  2329
Ph: (02) 65453612
Fax: (02)65482902
Mob: 0408 210273
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.maternitycoalition.org.au

[ozmidwifery] Homebirth Awareness Week

[jo]

Hi all,

 

Just a quick reminder that HBAW is looming again –
Oct 25th – 31st. 

 

If each of you could organise some sort of awareness
raising in your own communities or have the local paper cover a homebirth story
and write to Tony Abbott asking for affordable access to homebirth it would be
a wonderful start.

 

I had big ideas of screening Birthrites and having an
education day in Sydney,
unfortunately my dear mum passed away without warning and way too prematurely and
I don’t have the energy or enthusiasm to get something off the ground at
present. Would be wonderful if anyone who does have the energy could organise
something and let HBA know what you are doing so we can advertise it on our
website.

 

Warm regards

 

Jo Hunter

National Convenor HBA

Coordinator HAS

Innate Birth CBE and doula

 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Speaking of steps backwards...

[Jo Bourne]

Well there is nothing they can do about making you accept a medical  
procedure you don't want!! Her body, her baby, her choice to be  
constantly monitored or not.


On 02/10/2006, at 5:04 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From a woman wanting a VBAC in my forums, who is also a dear friend  
and I hope
to support her if she gives birth some time around the Australian  
Doula Conference:


I was just told at my midwife appt this week that the hospital has  
changed
policies in the past few months and now required constant fetal  
monitoring of all

induction, VBAC and higher risk births.

Now, I am all for making sure our babies are healthy and doing well  
during labour,
BUT our hospital seems to have variations of women's positions  
during monitoring
which is frustrating. One midwife told me I would have to stay in  
bed, another said
that some women are able to be on the fit ball & may not be able to  
roam heaps

but are able to change positions and get more comfortable.

I have in my birth plan a clear indication that I don't want to be  
monitored
constantly, that I want to be able to have breaks & shower etc  
etc... she said
today the only option for that would be once my membranes were  
released &
attaching a monitor to the baby's skull. And I don't know how I  
feel about that

either.

...this is Redlands Public, but apparently its gone through all of  
QLD Health public
systems that "higher" risk pregnancy's need constant monitoring  
during labour. I
told the midwife today that under no circumstances would I agree to  
constant
monitoring. I asked her what they could do about it & she said  
nothing really...


Why is the answer always 'There's nothing we can do about it'?  
Makes my

blood boil - if enough people care we CAN do something about it...
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[ozmidwifery] Education

[Jo Watson]

Hi :)

Does anyone know what a Midwife would have to do to become a  
Midwifery Educator?  I am interested in doing something like this -   
perhaps a few tutorials a week or something.  I can't seem to find  
anything online so far tonight, but I'll keep looking.  I feel I need  
to do SOMETHING else but not sure what.  Perhaps even childbirth  
education, but I'm not sure.


Thanks!

Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Doppler u/s

[Jo Watson]

When researching for my own preg I found that doppler and CTG is more direct and therefore more intense than visualno refs sorry, BF at keyboardJo :)On 23/09/2006, at 7:52 AM, Roberta Quinn wrote:Can anyone tell me the difference between a hand-held doppler and a visual ultrasound macine? Is a hand-held doppler a lesser evil? 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Nipple care

[Jo Watson]

Hi Katy.I had great success with "Kenacomb" ointment for my nipple trauma and subsequ\\\ent infection and thrush.  It is to be used VERY sparingly, but worked wonders.  It has an antifungal, antibiotic and a steroid in it.  I think it is still prescription only, though.  HTH!JoOn 19/09/2006, at 2:37 PM, Katy O'Neill wrote:Dear all,  I would like your help with info to forward on to my niece who suffers from exemia in particular her nipples, which crack and bleed.  She is not pregnant or feeding, but with my midwives eye, I would like to help her clear things up to protect the future BF potential.  My niece was BF till she was 4 and so I feel confident that she will be very pro. I know little of what she has already tried so all info would be great.  Thanks in anticipation.   Katy.

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Karicare Ad/Parents Jury

[Jo Watson]

Me too - let us know if you get a reply - thanks :)JoOn 14/09/2006, at 6:53 AM, Pinky McKay wrote:Barb _ I registered but could figure out how to vote so have emailed the site owners.Pinky- Original Message -From: Barbara Glare & Chris BrightTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 8:09 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Karicare Ad/Parents JuryHi, check this out.  This ad is one of the most appalling examples of the insidious methods formula companies use to advertise their product.I'd encourage everyone to vote.http://www.parentsjury.org.au/tpj_news.asp?ContainerID=1967Nomination 3: Karicare Toddler Gold Formula Ad description: Claymation bear with toddler bear. She talks about feeding her child Karicare instead of regular cows milk.  "Nature's next step."Parents concerns:- "Very false advertising by saying the mother didn't want to introduce the milk of another species so is giving formula instead. It is a cows milk derivative and really high in sugar so very false."- "It vilifies regular cows milk but the product actually contains cows milk."Fact:- Made with whole cows milk powder.- High in added sugar in the form of maltodextrin and dextrose.- World Health Organisation recommends "all babies are exclusively breastfed for at least the first six months of life and together with complementary food, breastfed ideally for up to two years." (The Public Health Association of Australia, 2006)[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]Barb GlareMum of Zac, 12, Daniel, 10, Cassie 7 & Guan 3

Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: PI Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed

[Jo Watson]

I agree and disagree, Tania.I believe there IS an us and them.  I am a hospital based Midwife... I see 'them' homebirth based Midwives and look up to and admire them for their experience and expertise in home birth.  I look at the hospital based Midwives I work with and also admire their experience and expertise, but most know nothing about homebirth, and wouldn't ever practice in that way.  As a hospital based Midwife, I am insured by the hospital, and by the ANF.  Those homebirth Midwives don't have an 'overseer' and don't need one, so they, too, need insurance.  They are practitioners in their own right, and refer on to Doctors if needs be.  In the hospital we are all a multidisciplinary team working to look after all of the women.That's why I see there is an us and them.  Them need insurance, us already have it.  :)JoOn 05/09/2006, at 5:27 PM, Tania Smallwood wrote:Andrea said…“I dont think you will get midwives who only work in hospital to be interested even though I think they should be”   I think this is a key quote that also deserves some discussion…whilst on one hand we are all fighting for recognition as a profession separate to nursing, and we want to be seen as a united front to further the campaign for improving maternity services throughout Australia, on the other hand we are pursuing an insurance offer that yet again divides us as a profession.  Nicky Leap said…a midwife is a midwife is a midwife…???  I feel like this quest for insurance that is specific to IPM’s could be seen by midwives, the AMA, politicians, and most importantly women, as a divisive move, and I don’t think ultimately it can benefit us in our quest to improve the public persona of the midwife.  I really want to have access to insurance, not be forced into having it.  I want to be able to purchase insurance that will cover me for any activities I take in the name of midwifery, in or out of the hospital setting, where I am being paid a wage, or where I am donating my time.  In my wildest dreams I’d like to think that every midwife working anywhere as a midwife would consider it a string to his or her professional bow to be insured as well as registered.  That’s something that they have done in NZ, attach the insurance to the membership of the professional body, the NZCOM, and membership of the body is a necessary step to obtaining registration as a midwife.  That way, all midwives are members of the professional body, and all midwives are insured.  I know that’s a simplistic way of looking at it, but it really worries me that we are getting caught up in something that perpetuates an us and them attitude that has already gone on for too long… Tania --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 4/09/2006--No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/437 - Release Date: 4/09/2006

RE: [ozmidwifery] Fw: PI Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed

[jo]

Hi all,

 

Although not a midwife yet I attended the Sydney meeting with
members of ASIM as an HBA rep. The offer to me sounded good in that you are
only paying insurance for the actual births you attend. It’s not just a 1
off fee. Therefore if you are a hosp mw who’d like to do a few hb’s
a year you only pay insurance for those few you attend and if you are a full
time city based hb midwife attended 30 births a year – that’s what
you pay for.

 

The other issue to consider is that this
is the only company who are willing to offer insurance to mw’s, there has
been a lot of work done on this issue over the past 5 years and no other insurance
company has been willing to come to the party. In order for homebirth to move
fwd both for mw’s and women in Aus we need to secure insurance –
then perhaps the student mw’s may get rights to accompany IPM’s to hb’s,
hb mw’s may get rights in hosp to continue their care of the woman should
a transfer become necessary, Publicly Funded hb may become a real option for
women and it can only be a positive step in terms of raising the profile of IPM’s.

 

I suggest any mw who would like to raise
the profile of the profession and help to make hb a real choice for Australian women register their interest and
once the 200 are on a list discussions can begin on how it will all work.

 

Warm regards

Jo Hunter

National Convenor HBA

HAS Coordinator

Innate Birth CBE and doula

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett
Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006
8:25 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: PI
Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed



 



Hi Everyone,





 





I'm interested to know everyone's thoughts on the PI. 
I work solely as an independent and I must be honest I don't think this offer
is great.  We shouldn't rush into anything just because we think PI gives
us credibility.  I haven't really seen any huge discussion on this
anywhere.  Has there been a gathering of Independent's that I missed to go
into detail on this offer or even what we want and expect from our
insurance?  We don't want to shoot ourselves in the foot yet again in our
eagerness to portray ourselves as professionals.  





 





Lisa Barrett







- Original Message - 





 





 





From: Andrea
Bilcliff 





To: Ozmidwifery 





Sent: Monday, September
04, 2006 6:48 PM





Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw:
PI Insurance - urgent - more interested midwives needed





 





FYI...





 





- Original Message - 



From: Robyn
Thompson 







 



Please forward this on to as many midwives as possible. 

 

It would be great if more colleagues could contact Dr Barb Vernon, Executive Officer, ACMI as soon as
possible to add your names to the list for PI Insurance.  We need 200
before we can start the process, so far there are 90.

 

Let’s get the PI rolling for the greater good of our
profession

 

Warm regards,  Robyn    

 

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[ozmidwifery] OMG what next?

[Jo Watson]

http://www.pregnancystore.com/zaky.htm

I think this is actually a real product...

Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line

[Jo Watson]

LOL I didn't even notice you left!

Jo :)

On 01/09/2006, at 3:12 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:




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Jo, I had forgotten just how clear the photo was.  No wonder I went  
running

to the car for my birth kit!  Cheers, Mary M
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Re: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line

[Jo Watson]

Good point, Tania.  It's not the only tool.  I'll have to get a pic  
of my butt again next baby to compare the visibility of TPL.


Stunning, eh?  Well, I think I will have to keep this email forever :)

Thanks ;)

Jo

On 01/09/2006, at 11:35 AM, Tania Smallwood wrote:




Megan,

There was a paper published in the Practising Midwife in 1998 by  
Lesley
Hobbs called Assessing cervical dilatation without VE's, Watching  
the Purple
Line, looking at this phenomena and the research study that had put  
forward
the hypothesis that the purple line that creeps up the 'bum  
cleavage' can be
used as a measure of cervical dilatation... Can I just say that  
while I

agree wholeheartedly with what's being said about trusting women, and
looking for other signs of progress, the purple lines that I've  
seen (and
yours is rather stunning if I may say so myself Jo :)) have been  
much more

visible and definite with women having their first babies, and not as
reliably visible with women having second and subsequent babies.   
So while

it's a valuable tool to keep in mind, please don't think a woman isn't
progressing just because there is no purple line, or if it's faint...

Cheers

Tania


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Larry

Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 12:50 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line

For us non-midwives, now that I've seen the photo and understand  
the "purple

line", what does this mean regarding the birthing woman?

Megan

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Sent: Friday, 1 September 2006 12:42 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] The Purple Line

I have had a request to put my butt on photobucket, so I've worked  
it all

out, and there it is:
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i167/Notchalk/100_5129.jpg

:)

Jo

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[ozmidwifery] The Purple Line

[Jo Watson]

I have had a request to put my butt on photobucket, so I've worked it  
all out, and there it is:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i167/Notchalk/100_5129.jpg

:)

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations

[Jo Watson]

Sure.  Just don't look at my butt ;)  There are no attachments  
allowed on this mailing list, am I right?

I guess I can just email it to those who ask to see it.

:)

Jo

On 31/08/2006, at 7:07 AM, meg wrote:


Can we see it?
Megan

- Original Message - From: "Jo Watson"  
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations



Two words:
PURPLE LINE
I have a great photo of mine (thanks for pointing it out, Mary!)
:)
Jo
On 30/08/2006, at 9:31 PM, Sally @ home wrote:

Just to add to this...
There was an extremely heated discussion at a meeting with docs  
and  midwives where I work about how doing a VE is the only way  
to  ascertain progress in the normal labour of uncompromised  
healthy  women. The midwives now have to come up with evidence  
showing that  doing a VE within 1- 4 hours of admission to  
hospital (then 4-6  hourly thereafter) is not necessary as we are  
able to assess  progress in different ways (all of which have  
been poo-pooed by the  medicos)...so...am needing the help of all  
you wonderfully wise  women out there.


Thanks in advance.

Sally
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Subject: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal examinations


Was wondering what guidelines others worked with regarding when  
to  do vaginal examinations...specifically in the hospital  
setting.  And what evidence they base their practice on.


Thanks in advance.

Sally
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[ozmidwifery] HBAW

[jo]

Hi all,

 

Just a reminder that Oct 25th
– 31st is National Homebirth Awareness Week, so if you are
planning to do something in your local community it may be time to start
organising! 

 

Regards

 

Jo Hunter

National Convenor HBA

Coordinator HAS

Innate Birth CBE and
doula

RE: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback

[jo]

Most of the hb women - both fellow consumers as well as clients have very
few breastfeeding probs. There are the exceptions but as a general rule,
apart from the normal sore nipples and bit of engorgement during the first
week or so - the majority have few probs.

I did have 1 client who had terrible probs - excruciating pain on attachment
and let down - had all the signs of thrush but it turned out to be Raynaulds
syndrome in the nipples - here's a link if anyone is interested

http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/8.30/helthrpt/stories/s1181487.htm

It seems that not a lot is known about this syndrome and can easily be
diagnosed as thrush.

Food for thought!

Jo Hunter

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Sent: Wednesday, 9 August 2006 11:45 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback

I totally agree with this as well... However, I work in a hospital as  
a Midwife, and had a wonderful homebirth experience, no drugs, normal  
3rd stage, etc, skin to skin immediately...  But my boy just had no  
idea.  My 'equipment" didn't help much, either.  I ended up hand  
expressing for 24 hours and syringe feeding, and skin to skin a LOT  
of the time with constant BF attempts.  2nd 24 hours we used a nipple  
shield to actually get him on the breast - this allowed him to draw  
my flat-ish nipple out, and 3rd 24 hours he was on the breast.  This  
is where the damage was done.  I was so desperate to have  
breastfeeding as NORMAL as possible (which it wasn't for the first  
few days) that I did a laydown feed, thinking gee, this hurts a bit,  
but it'll be right.  Nup.  Once the feed was over, there was blood  
and milk in the bed, and 1/3 of my nipple was missing.  I developed a  
nipple infection and mastitis from this.  When, after 5 weeks I  
realised that the reason my nipple wasn't healing was probably due to  
thrush (hence the stabbing breast pain, etc)... it took another 4  
weeks for it to heal.  It was well after 12 weeks before  
breastfeeding was comfortable.

Sometimes it just isn't easy, no matter how good at it I wanted to  
be.  It helps to have a baby who knows what they are doing, and 'good  
nipples'  (which I have now, apart from the lipstick shaped one ;)).

We are still breastfeeding now at 14 months, and I am proud to say he  
never had any formula.  That was never an option for us.  In hospital  
though, it is often a logical conclusion to the sore nipples  
problem.  Women express 3 hourly and rest their nipples.  But if the  
baby isn't being breastfed directly, out come the calculators, and if  
there isn't enough EBM to make up their 'required feed', what other  
choice is there? (sarcasm).

Do or do not - there is no try ;)

Jo

On 09/08/2006, at 3:04 PM, suzi and brett wrote:

> Agree with others - Plus in hosp: too many cooks/ opinions  
> conflicting and confusing information,  very few midwives practice  
> Hands Off Technique (letting the woman touch her own breast to  
> attach),  too many dummies / comping / bottles, drugs in labour, no  
> privacy / quiet places, crowded rooms with heaps of visitors and  
> next beds visitors too. little education of physically what is  
> happening / mouth anatomy, no co - sleeping, wrapped in blankets,  
> high section rates and no babies in recovery, Hep B shots,  
> agressive use of phototherapy, lots of weighing...and i'm sure we  
> could go on and on here
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback

[Jo Watson]

I totally agree with this as well... However, I work in a hospital as  
a Midwife, and had a wonderful homebirth experience, no drugs, normal  
3rd stage, etc, skin to skin immediately...  But my boy just had no  
idea.  My 'equipment" didn't help much, either.  I ended up hand  
expressing for 24 hours and syringe feeding, and skin to skin a LOT  
of the time with constant BF attempts.  2nd 24 hours we used a nipple  
shield to actually get him on the breast - this allowed him to draw  
my flat-ish nipple out, and 3rd 24 hours he was on the breast.  This  
is where the damage was done.  I was so desperate to have  
breastfeeding as NORMAL as possible (which it wasn't for the first  
few days) that I did a laydown feed, thinking gee, this hurts a bit,  
but it'll be right.  Nup.  Once the feed was over, there was blood  
and milk in the bed, and 1/3 of my nipple was missing.  I developed a  
nipple infection and mastitis from this.  When, after 5 weeks I  
realised that the reason my nipple wasn't healing was probably due to  
thrush (hence the stabbing breast pain, etc)... it took another 4  
weeks for it to heal.  It was well after 12 weeks before  
breastfeeding was comfortable.


Sometimes it just isn't easy, no matter how good at it I wanted to  
be.  It helps to have a baby who knows what they are doing, and 'good  
nipples'  (which I have now, apart from the lipstick shaped one ;)).


We are still breastfeeding now at 14 months, and I am proud to say he  
never had any formula.  That was never an option for us.  In hospital  
though, it is often a logical conclusion to the sore nipples  
problem.  Women express 3 hourly and rest their nipples.  But if the  
baby isn't being breastfed directly, out come the calculators, and if  
there isn't enough EBM to make up their 'required feed', what other  
choice is there? (sarcasm).


Do or do not - there is no try ;)

Jo

On 09/08/2006, at 3:04 PM, suzi and brett wrote:

Agree with others - Plus in hosp: too many cooks/ opinions  
conflicting and confusing information,  very few midwives practice  
Hands Off Technique (letting the woman touch her own breast to  
attach),  too many dummies / comping / bottles, drugs in labour, no  
privacy / quiet places, crowded rooms with heaps of visitors and  
next beds visitors too. little education of physically what is  
happening / mouth anatomy, no co - sleeping, wrapped in blankets,  
high section rates and no babies in recovery, Hep B shots,  
agressive use of phototherapy, lots of weighing...and i'm sure we  
could go on and on here


Suzi
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding

[Jo Watson]

Michelle, can I please post this to another group?  There is some talk in misc.kids.breastfeeding on usenet about 'trying' to breastfeed.  I won't put your name on it at all, if you like.Thanks :)JoOn 09/08/2006, at 12:58 PM, Michelle Windsor wrote:Hi Gail,     I too wondered why breastfeeding seems so difficult and stressful for so many women... especially once I'd worked with indigenous women and saw how easy they seemed to find it.  So trying to figure it out, I noticed a few differences.       Indigenous women have alot of exposure to breastfeeding as they have extended family groups with large families.  They don't speak of 'trying' to breastfeed, it seems they don't even question their own ability that they will be able to do it.  In my experience it is rare to see problems, and they are often associated with separation from their baby (ie prems/sick). Other things I noticed is that indigenous women never look at the clock, there is never the comment   "I only fed 5 minutes ago... " they totally feed on demand and don't put feeds off until they've eaten lunch, or the visitors have gone or whatever.  They aren't ashamed of their breasts or even self-conscious.  For the midwife.it's blissful!       We encourage women to be instinctive with birthing their baby, maybe we should do the same with breastfeeding?  (just thinking out loud)     Cheers   MichelleGail McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  To all you magnificent home birth warrior women out there, could you please tell me if any of your birthing women have problems with breastfeeding. I'm a middy student working on a ward at the present & I'm astounded by how many women have problems with breastfeeding.If your women do not, please enlighten me as to why you think this is. If they do, again, what do you put this down to?--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback

[Jo Bourne]

I am a consumer who spends a lot of time listening to other women.


At 4:52 PM +1000 9/8/06, Gail McKenzie wrote:
>Jo, do you work in a hospital in a postnatal ward?  I want to know what 
>homebirth midwives know about this
>
>
>>From: Jo Bourne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>>To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback
>>Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 16:07:53 +1000
>>
>>Actually this list is one of the only places I have heard this side of the 
>>coin, most often I hear women say "I thought it was supposed to be natural 
>>and easy and just work... I wish someone had told me it might be hard and 
>>need some work, that we might BOTH need to learn how to do it".
>>
>>
>>
>>At 3:51 PM +1000 9/8/06, Gail McKenzie wrote:
>>>Hi All.
>>>
>>>The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe 
>>>breastfeeding to be.  Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital 
>>>advocate breastfeeding as a "learned response from both mother and baby".  
>>>Um...May I say.CRAP?
>>>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Breastfeeding feedback

[Jo Bourne]

Actually this list is one of the only places I have heard this side of the 
coin, most often I hear women say "I thought it was supposed to be natural and 
easy and just work... I wish someone had told me it might be hard and need some 
work, that we might BOTH need to learn how to do it".



At 3:51 PM +1000 9/8/06, Gail McKenzie wrote:
>Hi All.
>
>The feedback I've gotten so far seems to mirror what I instinctively believe 
>breastfeeding to be.  Pamphlets that are distributed at the hospital advocate 
>breastfeeding as a "learned response from both mother and baby".  Um...May 
>I say.CRAP?
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Henci Goer's Article on GD

[Jo Watson]

Precisely why I never had the OGTT in my pregnancy.  No proven improved outcomes for mums or babies with diagnosed and 'treated' GD.JoOn 04/08/2006, at 4:49 PM, Mary Murphy wrote:The best way for those who disagree is to find the definitive studies that address all of Henci’s points. If is such an important issue, those studies would be available for us all to read. There is harm being done to mothers and babies by the definition of Gestational diabetes.  MM What are everyone’s thoughts on Henci Goer’s GD article? It’s caused a bit of a stir in my GD forum:http://www.bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=382564 but I don’t feel that I know enough about it to comment…Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta Praevia & IVF Article

[Jo Bourne]

Aaarrgh! Chapman should know better than to spout this rot:

"As a woman gets older she's more likely to have placenta praevia and obviously 
women who have IVF are older."

The majority of women treated at my clinic are under 35 and I am fairly sure 
IVFA's stats are similar (Chapman's clinic, I think). IVFers have enough 
trouble with the general public thinking IVF is used by "older women who forgot 
to have kids" without Drs adding to this misconception. Most people doing IVF 
are either of average chid bearing age (for our times) or at least started 
trying at an average age and are now "older" because they have been trying so 
damn long.

As for the increased placenta previa - I thought this was already well 
established? I know it was discussed in my support group some time ago. Most 
IVFers who manage to conceive are painfully aware that their risk of 
miscarriage and most other problems are higher than average. There is a reason 
we don't assume pregnancy will be straight forward, or necessarily result in a 
baby.



At 10:10 PM +1000 31/7/06, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:
>FYI
> 
>
>Risk of haemorrhage 'increases with IVF'
>
>Clara Pirani, Medical reporter
>May 26, 2006
>
>WOMEN who have IVF treatment are six times more likely to suffer a potentially 
>dangerous condition during pregnancy than those who conceive naturally.
>
>A study of 845,000 births in Norway revealed women who underwent IVF had 
>higher rates of placenta praevia, a condition in which the placenta attaches 
>itself to the lower uterus, blocking the cervix.
>Placenta praevia can cause the mother to haemorrhage before giving birth.
>Researchers from St Olavs University Hospital in Trondheim said the risk of 
>developing placenta praevia increased from three births per 1000 among the 
>general population, to 16 every 1000 with IVF.
>The study, published in the journal Human Reproduction, also found a threefold 
>risk among mothers who had given birth twice, once conceiving naturally and 
>once IVF, or ICSI, in which a sperm is injected directly into an egg.
>The incidence rose from seven in 1000 births for women who had two natural 
>conceptions, to 20 in 1000 births for women who had one natural and one 
>assisted conception.
>"Regardless of whether it was the first or second pregnancy that was conceived 
>through assisted reproduction technology, we found a nearly threefold risk of 
>placenta praevia," said lead researcher Liv Bente Romundstad. "This suggests 
>that a substantial proportion of the extra risk may be attributable directly 
>to factors relating to the reproduction technology."
>The researchers were not sure why IVF increased the risk of placenta praevia.
>However, they suggest it may be caused by anatomical factors that contributed 
>to the women's original infertility, rather than to the IVF procedure itself.
>Alternatively, the embryo may be placed lower in the uterus during IVF to 
>improve implantation rates.
>About 6000 babies a year are born through IVF in Australia.
>Michael Chapman, chairman of the IVF Director's Group, said other factors 
>could account for the higher rate of placenta praevia among women who had IVF.
>"As a woman gets older she's more likely to have placenta praevia and 
>obviously women who have IVF are older.
>"Women who've had any surgery on the uterus, like having fibroids removed, 
>would also have a high chance of placenta praevia."
>Professor Chapman said doctors closely monitored women who develop the 
>condition and those undergoing IVF should not be concerned by the study.
>"In this day and age we have good ultrasound and we tend to diagnose it as 
>early as 18 weeks, and therefore we'd be watching out for it," he said.
>"Later on in pregnancy, if a woman presents with bleeding, it's extremely rare 
>for it to be a catastrophic haemorrhage.
>"Women with placenta praevia are monitored and they will almost always give 
>birth by caesarean section."
> 
> 
>Best Regards,
>
>Kelly Zantey
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma & Personality

[Jo Bourne]

My Daughter's school asked the exact same questions in her pre admission 
interview. It's a small democratic school in Sydney.

At 1:40 PM +1000 27/7/06, jesse/jayne wrote:
>Hi Suz,
> 
>Can I ask what school (or type of school) this was in?
> 
>Regards
> 
>Jayne
> 
> 
>
>- Original Message -
>From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>suzi and brett
>To: <mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au>ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:29 AM
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Birth, Trauma & Personality
>
>When I was being interviewed by a teacher prior to the placement of my 7 year 
>old son in a new (for him) school it was such a welcome change that 
>the questions began at our pregnancy, she asked how it was and then the 
>birth...where was it, was there drugs? trauma? was it in water or on land, 
>with midwife? Then we moved on to other things, for how long did he 
>breastfeed? how did he sleep, how was he when he woke in the morning? what is 
>he afraid of?...it was such a joy that these things were considered important 
>to who Noah is and how he may be in a class room. I knew he was to be with the 
>right teacher.
> 
>Love Suz x


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Re: [ozmidwifery] Blood cells and placenta?!

[Jo Bourne]

My 2 week old baby was born asleep and took a little while to decide to 
breathe, cry and open her eyes. It was one of the joys of birthing at home that 
she was able to wake up and breathe in her own time rather than being rubbed 
etc to prove she could cry straight away. Her cord kept pulsing longer than the 
entire (natural) 3rd stage of her older sisters birth, presumably because of 
her slow & gentle transition into wakefulness and breathing.

At 8:34 PM +1000 25/7/06, Diane Gardner wrote:

>Imagine the poor baby who has suddenly had it's oxygen supply prematurely cut 
>off and is forced to breathe to survive. I have seen some terrible instances 
>of having to rub and jiggle babies to make then breathe or I have also seen 
>babies that born peacefully, gently start to breathe, gradually getting 
>stronger and the cord gradually slowing down and then after some time the cord 
>stops pulsating and is then cut.

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RE: [ozmidwifery] testing

[jo]

I think the list is quiet. I have emails from
Mary and you Sue.

 

Jo 

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp
Sent: Sunday, 23 July 2006 1:01 PM
To: midwifery list
Subject: [Norton AntiSpam]
[ozmidwifery] testing



 



test post - is the list is very quiet?  Only mails
lately from Mary - thanks Mary :-) but I seem to have missed a lead post or two
judging from recieving replies only.  





Gremlins in cyberspace again perhaps





Sue

Re: [ozmidwifery] Testing

[Jo Watson]

Welcome back, Mary!JoOn 22/07/2006, at 10:16 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Just returning to the list after holidays. MM

RE: [ozmidwifery] Powers to investigate stillbirth article

[jo]

It is very obvious that the womb is not a safe
place to be and if the womb is not safe then being pushed through a vagina is even
less safe. So lets all have c/sections at 36 weeks to ensure the ‘safety’
of our babies.

 

I remember in 99 at the Byron hb conference
hearing Germaine Greer speak of a time when we will have a little incubating cupboard
that sits in the corner of our lounge room which is an artificial womb, we will
be able to set the temperature, regulate nutrition and choose the sex, hair colour,
eye colour etc etc of our children. She went on to say that we would more than likely
have a huge population of beautiful blond haired, blue eyed boys that were so FU%#
UP that they’d all end up like Martin Bryant (remember the Port Arthur massacre).

 

Food for thought!

 

Jo Hunter x

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Helen and Graham
Sent: Sunday, 16 July 2006 9:28 AM
To: ozmidwifery
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Powers to
investigate stillbirth article



 



I can already see the induction rate rising.





 





http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/mystery-infant-deaths-must-face-tougher-scrutiny/2006/07/15/1152637919967.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1





 





Mystery infant deaths must face tougher scrutiny





by Carmel
Egan









July 16, 2006 





Mysterious deaths of hundreds of babies before or during
childbirth are not being investigated because of a legal loophole.





Hospitals
and medical staff are not legally required to examine or explain the causes of
stillbirth, and coroners can only investigate the cause of death after life has
begun. Under Australian law, life begins when a baby takes its first breath.

But
every year, 2000 foetuses between 20 weeks and full term never make it that
far. And one in three of those dies for unknown reasons. The rate of
unexplained deaths rises to 80 per cent as the foetus approaches full term.

Now
a leading State Government medical adviser and SIDS and Kids Australia are
urging governments to allow the independent investigation of late-term
stillbirths.

Associate
Professor James King, chairman of the Victorian Consultative Council on
Obstetric and Pediatric Mortality and Morbidity, wants coroners' powers
extended. "I favour an extension of coronial authority to include
discretionary investigation of certain categories of stillbirth, particularly
where the death occurs shortly before or during the birth process,"
Professor King said.

Despite
advances in medicine, there has been no reduction in the incidence of
stillbirths in a decade.

Researchers
believe more stillbirths could be explained if clinicians counselled parents to
give their consent to autopsies. They believe medical staff's reticence to do
so comes from a combination of misguided compassion, undervaluing the benefit
to parents and the community of identifying the causes of stillbirth, and fear
of litigation.

The
call for action comes as the State Coroner investigates the death of William
Grant Keays, a baby resuscitated at birth who died 6½ hours later, on November
2, 2003. His mother, Karin Keays, has asked the Coroner to draw the public's
attention to the powerlessness of parents whose children are stillborn.

"Because
the Coroner does not have the power, there is no effective avenue for the
independent investigation of stillborn babies," Mrs Keays said. "It
is a terrible loophole in the law related to obstetrics.

"I
believe that laws regarding the conduct and accountability of obstetricians and
hospitals need urgent revision and sweeping changes.

"The
legal loophole which classes full-term or near-term babies as not being
'people' who would otherwise be entitled to the protection of the law, is
draconian and needs to be closed," she said.





"Authorities … seem to pussyfoot around
the subject of medical error and negligence in obstetrics for fear of upsetting
obstetricians.

"But
what about all the stillborn and neonatal deaths? What about the babies'
rights? They seem to have none.

"What
about the parents' rights to honesty and transparency of information from their
doctors and midwives?"

After
its success in reducing, through parental education, the rate of cot death from
500 a year to about 60 a year, SIDS and Kids Australia has expanded its focus
to stillbirth. Janet Carey, national executive of research and programs at SIDS
and Kids, said there was a lack of political and social focus on the issue
because it was emotional and difficult to discuss.

"This
is the same issue that faced parents 20 years ago after their child had died of
sudden infant death syndrome and there were no answers," Ms Carey said.

"Now
we hope to create some urgency about stillbirths and how many unexplained
deaths there are before birth."

Researchers
at Brisbane's
Mater M

Re: [ozmidwifery] Isobel Joy has arrived...

[Jo Watson]

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Induction due to pulmonary embolism?

[Jo Bourne]

I was on clexane this pregnancy (for a different condition) I interviewed two 
OBs and one wanted to follow exactly this protocol, the other recommended my 
case was mild enough to cease clexane at 34w and wait for natural labour. My 
understanding from speaking to other women who have to take Clexane or other 
blood thinners during pregnancy for current clots or history of severe clots is 
that they would definitely follow this sort of protocol though.


At 9:58 AM +1000 15/7/06, Michelle Windsor wrote:
>Hi Kelly,
> 
>In my (limited!) experience with this sort of thing, women are usually on 
>Clexane which is an anticoagulant ie 'thins the blood'.  If  the woman went 
>into labour naturally while still on Clexane, obviously her risk of haemorrage 
>would be increased.  But to stop the clexane days before she might go into 
>labour could be risky too if she has a pulmonary embolis or DVT. So what seems 
>to happen is that the clexane will be ceased for 24 hours and then the woman 
>will be induced, and anticoagulants restarted after the birth.  Hope this 
>makes sense!
> 
>Cheers
>Michelle
>
>"Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>One of the women on my forum had a crisis and was going to have a caesar, but 
>with a bit of encouragement from the others on the site and with the Ob’s 
>back-up she decided against it and was ecstatic, but then said…
> 
>“WOW you girls totally rock when a girls in need! I actually have to be 
>induced cause of the pulmonary embolism I got and have to be monitored in 
>labour because I’m on a blood thinning agent”
> 
>Could someone please explain? Sorry to be asking such basic questions all the 
>time, I just want to learn! J
>Best Regards,
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 'Lactation failure caused by lack of glandular development in the breast'

[Jo Bourne]

I would be fascinated to see these pictures as it sounds a lot like what my 
breasts looked like before breastfeeding for the first time - which started 
EXTREMELY badly and took a very long time to get sorted out (8 weeks to turn a 
corner and know it would eventually get better, 3 months to start really 
settling down). Evidently I had enough glandular tissue for adequate supply but 
our issues were in large part to do with the physiological shape/structure of 
my breasts.

At 8:44 AM +1000 14/7/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi Kelly, I've only just read your post, and I really dont know much about this
>subject, but I can tell you there is definitely information out there about it,
>and it is a real condition. I'm a first year Bmid student, and last semester in
>a lecture with a lactation consultant from the RHW Randwick (if you wanted to
>contact someone who really knows about it), this issue was discussed in some
>detail. It was only a short lecture and I dont have notes for it, but what I
>can recall is this: information and understanding about how the breasts work
>and produce milk is still being understood, in fact our understanding of the
>anatomy of the breast has recently been challanged! Lactation consultants would
>have the best and most up to date knowledge of this stuff, as it's their area
>of expertise if you like. Anyway, it was discussed that breasts of a particular
>shape are possibly anatomically different to others, in that the tissue inside
>the breasts which actually produces the milk concentrates in the area around
>the nipple, and does not extend very far back into the breast. In normal breast
>development, regardless of the size of the breast, the tissue extends right up
>to the armpit. We were shown photo's of breasts which possibly have this type 
>of
>tissue development, and the features of them were: tubular in shape (whether
>small or large in size) and with a clear sort of seperation across the sternum,
>if that makes sense. There is a marked space between each breast. In many of
>the pictures it was possible to see that most of the fullness of the breast was
>around the nipple area. This is not to alarm anyone who has breasts of this
>shape who may be reading this, or to offend anyone by my dispassionate
>desription of breasts! This is all I can remember really, and this infrormation
>was given to us as future midwives as something to look out for, but obviously
>we would refer to a lactation consultent if there was a problem. Maybe this is
>new information , and the midwives involved with this woman were unaware??
>Anyway, I hope this helps,
>Regards, Astra
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Quoting "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>> Does anyone have any experiences to share with this? A woman has posted on
>> my site about her experience and I was wondering what everyone thought on
>> the topic.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/showthread.php?p=352746
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Kelly Zantey
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!

[Jo Watson]

Yup the first email she read out to you on the Today show was mine :)I hope to catch your other appearances - as I think you are very well spoken, don't seem to get flustered with questions, and have a lot of great ideas :)Thanks,JoOn 13/07/2006, at 9:09 AM, Pinky McKay wrote:The show is called Nine am and david and Kim are teh presenters. Its teh same time as Bert used to be on - smae time as Kerri Anne - but being in WA - the channel ten show I was on Live earlier - about 10 am and Kerri- anne just after 10.30 - it was prerecorded. Hopefully lots of mums can relax -= was one of the email questions on Today from you? The media response has been phenomenal -I have already been asked back on several of them. Pinkywww.pinky-mychild- Original Message -From: Jo WatsonTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 10:09 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Thanks for your reply on the Today show, Pinky ;)I thought you came across really well, and hopefully made people think twice about co-sleeping, especially.9am with David and Kim, what's that show? Or is that the name of the show?  I don't think we get that here in WA if it is the name.Good luck!JoOn 12/07/2006, at 7:19 PM, Pinky McKay wrote:Hi Kelly - Kerri Anne is on Tomorrow ( prerecord yesterday) -Thursday 13th between 10.30 and 11am Also - nine am with david and Kim tomorrow am - I think thats before ten - Pinky- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Tomorrow on TODAY: Sleeping like a baby? Does your baby or toddler have trouble sleeping? Be watching tomorrow at 8.10am when we speak with parenting expert Pinky McKay about this common problem. If you'd like to ask Pinky a question - email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED]Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-supportFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:53 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Hello all!Please tune into the Today Show (8.10am AEST) and Kerri-Anne (bet. 10.30-11am AEST) tomorrow, the 11th July. Pinky will be on and she needs our support!!! Don’t forget to write in, AFTER the show hehehe to let them know we loved her being on and would like to see more. Go Pinky! (who sounds like she is having a gorgeous time in Sydney!!!)Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!

[Jo Watson]

Thanks for your reply on the Today show, Pinky ;)I thought you came across really well, and hopefully made people think twice about co-sleeping, especially.9am with David and Kim, what's that show? Or is that the name of the show?  I don't think we get that here in WA if it is the name.Good luck!JoOn 12/07/2006, at 7:19 PM, Pinky McKay wrote:Hi Kelly - Kerri Anne is on Tomorrow ( prerecord yesterday) -Thursday 13th between 10.30 and 11am Also - nine am with david and Kim tomorrow am - I think thats before ten - Pinky- Original Message -From: Kelly @ BellyBellyTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:57 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!!Tomorrow on TODAY: Sleeping like a baby? Does your baby or toddler have trouble sleeping? Be watching tomorrow at 8.10am when we speak with parenting expert Pinky McKay about this common problem. If you'd like to ask Pinky a question - email us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-supportFrom: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBellySent: Tuesday, 11 July 2006 5:53 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky on TV tomorrow x 2!!! Hello all! Please tune into the Today Show (8.10am AEST) and Kerri-Anne (bet. 10.30-11am AEST) tomorrow, the 11th July. Pinky will be on and she needs our support!!! Don’t forget to write in, AFTER the show hehehe to let them know we loved her being on and would like to see more. Go Pinky! (who sounds like she is having a gorgeous time in Sydney!!!)Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support 

Re: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[Jo Watson]

OOH, can someone please provide a rundown on this for us not in Victoria?  Or do you think there will be a transcript?Thanks,JoOn 10/07/2006, at 4:32 PM, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans being performed. Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support 

RE: [ozmidwifery] Today Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births

[jo]

HH! Anyone else screaming at the
tv

 

jo

 









From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly
Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 6:32 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Today
Tonight (VIC) Caesarean Births



 

FYI there is a story on tonight about increased caesareans
being performed.

 

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

 

RE: [ozmidwifery] homebirth enquiry

[jo]

Thanks Janet - had given that no: apparently a no go!

Jo 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Friday, 7 July 2006 11:48 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] homebirth enquiry

Noeline Lang Orange 026321462
- Original Message - 
From: "jo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 10:56 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] homebirth enquiry


> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Have had an enquiry from a woman in Orange (NSW) wanting a homebirth -
> anyone know of any willing midwives?
> 
> Jo Hunter
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[ozmidwifery] homebirth enquiry

[jo]

Hi all,

Have had an enquiry from a woman in Orange (NSW) wanting a homebirth -
anyone know of any willing midwives?

Jo Hunter


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Re: Fw: [ozmidwifery] Blood pressure...

[Jo Bourne]

I did get it the first time... maybe some emails get through to some people but 
not everyone?

At 12:29 PM +1000 6/7/06, Stephen & Felicity wrote:
>Sending this to the list for the second time as it mysteriously disappeared. 
>>:o(
>- Original Message - From: "Stephen & Felicity" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 1:17 PM
>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Blood pressure...
>
>>"A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing."
>>
>>Heidi, I'm shocked by this statement.  I can only assume I misunderstood your 
>>stance; could you expand on this statement?
>>
>>Being well-informed is not about being scared or doubtful of the Hospital 
>>(and a Doula doesn't "put fear or doubt" into their clients); it's a basic 
>>human right, particularly for a birthing woman and her baby.  Knowledge is 
>>never dangerous (it's NOT being informed that carries the danger); and if 
>>knowledge leads a woman to feel fearful of a course of action that is 
>>proposed for her, that is a GOOD thing - it's her intuition telling her that 
>>she isn't ok with it happening, and pushing her to seek other options. 
>>Co-operation with a Hospital and her careprovider is not the ultimate goal 
>>for a birthing woman.  It should be the other way around.
>>
>>Women are not infants and they have a right to any and all information, and 
>>to their emotions - even if they include fear.  Fear is natural in birth and 
>>it's good support and good practice that gets us through it effectively; not 
>>avoiding the feeling altogether.
>>
>>Careproviders might not interfere with women and birth for fun (although I've 
>>seen and heard of Obs that indicate differently - and even, rarely, 
>>Midwives), but the rates of intervention compared to the rates indicated as 
>>actually necessary show that they're not often intervening based on evidence, 
>>either.
>>
>>It's not the information and knowledge that scares women.  It's the practices 
>>and the outcomes.  To address the fear we don't need to withhold information 
>>so the women can birth in Hospital without fuss; we need to truly support 
>>women, foster open negotiation and respect, and keep pushing to change the 
>>practices that aren't evidence-based or in the best interests of women and 
>>their babies.

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[ozmidwifery] FW: WOMEN AND DEPRESSION CONFERENCE 2007

[jo]

FYI

 

jo









From:
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PM
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Subject: WOMEN AND DEPRESSION
CONFERENCE 2007



 

ANNOUNCING THE SECOND

WOMEN AND DEPRESSION
CONFERENCE 2007

CARLTON CREST SYDNEY

23 - 24 - 25  MAY
2007

 

Please pass this information on to
whomever you feel might be interested in participating.  The Conference Secretariat
is now building our new data base.

 

The call for papers will
go out at the end of July 2006.

 

Anique Duc

For the Conference Secretariat

 

 



Anique Duc

Herwill Creations

21 Mungay Creek Rd

WILLAWARRIN  
2440  AUSTRALIA

Women and Depression
Conference 2007

http://www.womenanddepression.herwill.net/

Gather The Women 6th Congress

 http://www.gatherthewomen.org/

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61 2 6567 1585

 



 

[ozmidwifery] Homebirth conference media

[jo]

FYI

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Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2006 11:55 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [2006hbaconf] Media article 22/6/06 Geelong Advertiser

Hi all,

Read below for the article that appeared in the Geelong Advertiser 
on 22/6/06. Hopefully lots more to come

Janine :-)



Focus On Regional Births

Advocates will use a Home Birth Australia conference in Geelong to 
push for improvement of maternity servies in regional Australia.

Up to 360 people will attend forums on July 1 and 2 and hear 
speakers including revered American midwife and author Ina May 
Gaskin.

Organisers hope the Bringing Birth Back Home conference will help 
generate momentum in a campaign against the loss of maternity 
services for women living in rural and remote Australia.

They want acknowledgement of the roles midwives can play in helping 
rural women give birth at home and formal recognition from state and 
federal governments.

Midwives are unable to list as medical providers under Medicare or 
use insurance schemes available to other health professionals.

"The main focus is on bringing birth back home to local 
communities," midwife and conference spokeswoman Tina Pettigrew of 
Geelong said.

"We've had 50 per cent closure of local maternity wards across the 
country in the past 10 years, based on economics rather than on the 
right decisions for women."

Frequency of roadside births had increased as women found themselves 
forced to travel further to medical centres, she said.

Organisers expected 100 people to attend the conference but have 
shifted venues to the Mercure Hotel after an avalanche of 
registrations from across Australia.



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RE: [ozmidwifery] community mid program WA

[jo]

WOOO HOOO!!

jo

-Original Message-
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Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2006 6:44 PM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] community mid program WA

Actually, NSW Health is really moving now. They have not only supported 
homebirth through the programme at St George, they have indicated that they 
support homebirth as an option generally. They are in fact, busy producing a

guideline for health services who wish to provide homebirth services.

Our service manager, Anne Saxton (an absolutely amazing person and a 
visionary) has put in a submission to area executive for Belmont Birthing 
Service to offer homebirth as part of our service.

warmly, Carolyn


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RE: [ozmidwifery] community mid program WA

[Jo Bourne]

There is the northern community midwives program in SA, who provide continuity 
of care and homebirth and the new continuity of care and homebirth program run 
out of Kogarah in NSW. If only there were more in each state

At 3:07 PM +0800 25/6/06, Mary Murphy wrote:
>Up until march this year, the CMP has struggled along uncertain of its future, 
>contracts being signed late and for only a year.  The midwives have been on 3 
>monthly contracts for 3-4 years. Why is this so?  The politics of birth, 
>insurance, money, all sorts of reasons.  Our managers have just signed a 3 yr 
>contract with the Health Dept.  The numbers are starting to move now there is 
>some certainty and there is thought of increasing midwife numbers. Midwives 
>also have permanent contracts.  This program was the result of parents  and 
>midwives lobbying for about 10 years.  No answers as to why it hasn¹t happened 
>elsewhere.  MM
> 
>
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kristin 
>Beckedahl
>Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2006 11:22 AM
>To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>Subject: [ozmidwifery] community mid program WA
> 
>Can someone tell me why other states in Australia do not embrace the 
>initiative of a Community Mid Programme, like the one in WA.  I'm sure there 
>is a reason or two for it not being a national program; and I presume its 
>cuaght up with government? money? insurance? demand?
>Love to hear your thoughts...
>Kristin
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Update Belmont Birthing Service

[jo]

Hi Carolyn,

 

WOW, this is such awesome news. 2 huge
milestones within a week of each other. It will be great to meet the Belmont midwives and have
them share some of their experiences, so pleased they’re all coming.
Perhaps hb through Belmont
will be the next milestone to crack!

 

Congratulations on all that you do
Carolyn.

 

Warm regards

 

Jo Hunter

HBA Convenor

 

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Heartlogic
Sent: Sunday, 25 June 2006 9:27 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Update
Belmont Birthing Service



 



Dear all, 





 





I'm delighted to let you all know that Belmont Birthing
Service midwives have now had the pleasure of being present to the 100th baby
born on site!   All mothers and babies well and happy, despite the
rhetoric around the opening of the service.   





 





Our service has been opened for one year on the 4th
July and that is another BIG milestone. Everyone is starting to think that
maybe we (our service) is safe and that we are going to stay
around  :-)





 





The Belmont Birthing Service midwives are going to the
Homebirth conference.  I'm staying home to be on call with one of the
midwives, but everyone else is going to Geelong!
They are a fabulous group of people who have made big leaps from a medical
model way of practising to a social model of women centered midwifery and they
have been and are brilliant. 





 





viva midwifery  :-)





 





love, Carolyn Hastie





 





 





 

RE: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

[jo]

What a fabulous idea re: stickers for
ozmidders!

 

Looking fwd to meeting many of you there.

 

Jo Hunter

 

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Katheryn Jettar
Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 10:34
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th
HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !



 

Unfortunately, Andrea is in the UK at the present time and won't be
able to make the conference. I however, will be there in her place and will
make sure to bring lots of the same fleuro stickers.

Make sure you come and visit us in the Terrace Ante room!

Cheers,
-
Katheryn Jettar
Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education
Ph: +61 2 9564 2322
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At 10:05 AM 23/06/2006, you wrote:



At the ICM Andrea R gave us stickers to waar on our name badges so we
could recognise each other.  Andrea are you coming to Geelong
Andrea Q
On 23/06/2006, at 12:09 AM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:




 
Should we wear red carnations or something ?- would be great to put
faces to names - I am going along with a colleague and a soon-to-be-midwife
friend.
Looking forward to it - sounds like a great conference
Sue

- Original Message
-

From: Andrea Quanchi

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au

Sent: Thursday, June 22,
2006 8:08 PM

Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets
nearly sold !

yes I am going along with
three of my clients and two midwives

Andrea Q

On 22/06/2006, at 6:24
PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:




Are many Ozmidders going to the
conference?

Sue

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-

From: Sally-Anne Brown

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au

Sent: Thursday, June 22,
2006 12:46 PM

Subject: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly
sold !

Dear all

 

Just to update you that
the 24th Homebirth Australia Conference has just about sold out at the 'larger
conference venue'.  We only have five tickets left and the program is now
complete and available for viewing on the website.  Please note we do not
do day only tickets.  There are only 20 spaces left for the conference
dinner which will be held on sat july1.  Registration
forms can be downloaded at
www.homebirthaustralia.org

 

We will be convening a
national press conference on the issues for remote and rural women who have
lost their local birthing services pre-conference on Friday June 30 at
Parliament House Victoria, please stay tuned.  Women, babies, families,
balloons and banners warmly welcomed to attend for a 'photo shoot' outside
Parliament House at 12 noon.

 

We look forward to seeing
you all there...

 

Warm Regards

 

Sally-Anne Brown

for the 24th Homebirth Australia
conference team.

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Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???

[Jo Bourne]

I often get the feeling that not all posts make it through, I see replies to 
messages that I never received etc.

At 11:38 PM +1000 23/6/06, Great Birth" & "Men at Birth wrote:
>G'day,
>
>I'm aware that a few people have sent responses to my post of 20 June entitled 
>"Consumer demand for inductions and caesareans" but they never appeared on the 
>list (I got sent them personally when they didn't appear)  Has the list been 
>malfunctioning in the last few days?
>
>Cheers
>
>David
>
>
>
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><http://www.acmi.org.au/greatbirth.htm>Having a Great Birth in Australia, 
><http://www.acmi.org.au/menatbirth.htm>Men at Birth, 
><http://web.mac.com/david.vernon/iWeb/With%20Women>With Women - Shiftwork to 
>Group Practice and <http://web.mac.com/david.vernon/iWeb/>The Hunt for Marasmus
>GPO Box 2314, Canberra ACT 2601, Australia
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>Hansard
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Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

[Jo Watson]

*thanks* :)JoOn 22/06/2006, at 8:35 PM, Barbara Glare & Chris Bright wrote:No sew on patch.  Will add stickers to the inventory! Barb- Original Message -From: Jo WatsonTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:19 PMSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !On 22/06/2006, at 8:17 PM, Barbara Glare & Chris Bright wrote:I'm definately going, and so is my beautiful assistant and homebirthed daughter, Cassie (8) We are having a bit of a girl weekend.  Say hello to us at the Australian Breastfeeding Association/Mothers Direct stand.  BarbOoh, you'd be the person to ask about the ABA sticker I have: "Human Milk for Human Babies"... does that come in a sew-on patch, by any chance? :)Thanks,Jo

Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

[Jo Watson]

On 22/06/2006, at 8:17 PM, Barbara Glare & Chris Bright wrote:I'm definately going, and so is my beautiful assistant and homebirthed daughter, Cassie (8) We are having a bit of a girl weekend.  Say hello to us at the Australian Breastfeeding Association/Mothers Direct stand.  BarbOoh, you'd be the person to ask about the ABA sticker I have: "Human Milk for Human Babies"... does that come in a sew-on patch, by any chance? :)Thanks,Jo

Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

[Jo Watson]

I am going! I'm bringing a Midwife friend and my 1yo (who my sister will look after during the days).  Can't wait!Jo WatsonOn 22/06/2006, at 4:24 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote:Are many Ozmidders going to the conference?Sue

Re: [ozmidwifery] Starting solids too early

[Jo Watson]

I'm sure that is right for normally birthed babies, but those born via c/s or who have their cords clamped early don't get their 'owed' blood volume, so their iron stores might not be as good as they should be.JoOn 19/06/2006, at 7:58 AM, Mary Murphy wrote:Does anyone have information about the research that says babies are anaemic at 4-6 months and therefore need iron rich foods? Surely the body has the correct amount of iron for the correct age group in healthy breast fed babies?  MM "The "iron issue" is often used to encourage mothers towean early - breast milk is low is iron yes but thisiron is easily and readily absorbed by the baby - thestore built up at birth is usually running low betweensix and twelve months"  

Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

[Jo Bourne]

It's true, there is a lot of pot luck involved for consumers, it is certainly 
what scares me about hospitals. But in this case I am pretty sure that the only 
policy was for an initial trace because the midwife was fairly clearly out of 
her comfort zone and didn't pull out the "it's policy" argument.

At 12:19 PM +1000 17/6/06, Janet Fraser wrote:
>"So there are hospitals around where it is possible."
>
>I think in most cases it's that there are individual staff, nothing to do
>with the institutions. Some women have great births in some hospitals and
>for others the same place is a bloodbath. It's the staff you fluke on the
>day that have the biggest impact on your experience.
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RE: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

[Jo Bourne]

A friend of mine gave birth in a popular private Sydney hospital a few weeks 
ago, was induced (her choice, against OBs preference, amazingly he doesn't like 
to induce before 41w) - 2 doses of gel, ARM, synto. The only EFM was one trace 
at the start of the process. The midiwife caring for her asked her a number of 
times for a further trace, which she refused, usually by saying she wanted a 
shower now or to go to the toilet and that was that. She had discussed this 
plan with her OB in advance and knew she had his support, so she was fully 
prepared to send the midwife off to sort it out with him if the midwife had 
tried to bully her about it but it did not come to that. So there are hospitals 
around where it is possible.

At 7:03 AM +1000 17/6/06, Kelly @ BellyBelly wrote:
> >>I would love to hear what other hospitals are doing with Syntocinon
>Inductions.  Is it policy to use continuous CTG's throughout labour?
>
>From my perspective only, it seems to be all of them at the induced /
>augmented births I have been attending. I attend usually one but sometimes
>two births a month and it seems it's all part and parcel to be strapped down
>with Synto AND EFM in the bigger hospitals. Haven't been to a birth that's
>otherwise anyway.
>
>We work very hard to fob off any synt-happy midwives and doctors, especially
>where the membranes are ruptured even if it's only been an hour or two (yes
>I'm afraid there's pressure from midwives too, one was in a 'Know Your
>Midwife' program and thank goodness we were able to say no enough times as
>she did establish contractions on her own after the ARM).
>It's such a big effort sometimes that you can see how a woman without good
>support is going to be more likely to accept this as what's needed or feel
>overpowered, but you do it because you know you not only get synt you get
>continuous monitoring too. Say no and you get an entourage of doctors
>sometimes!
>
>Another challenge too is not only letting them have that choice, but choice
>without having an inappropriate comment made after she makes a choice
>alluding to the health of the baby, e.g. '... but if you keep labouring
>without the monitoring, I can't tell you / guarantee that everything will be
>okay for your baby down the track...' or mentioning the 's' word...
>(stillbirth).
>
>I don't know how many times one poor woman struggling to get the confidence
>to say no was spoken down too, not in a nasty way, but with lots of little
>dug in comments, she had to fight to say no to antibiotics, no to synto
>sooner after only an hour or two, EF monitoring, a drip for her baby in case
>he had strep b, which he didn't, the list goes on.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Kelly Zantey
>Creator, BellyBelly.com.au
>Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
>BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bowman Family
>Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2006 4:35 AM
>To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>Subject: Re: Re: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?
>
>Abby,
>
> I agree with you, the proceedure should not be compulsory and I will take
>this up with colleagues, women should be given the right to choose if they
>want this, and I suppose the best way to go is what Emily has suggested and
>explain to the mother and write it in their notes if they choose to not have
>EFM..
>I find this whole policy/proceedure thing often very difficult  to work
>with, but hospitals do have to work within the safety of policies and
>guidelines to protect not only the mother and baby, but the hospital and
>staff themselves.  In a court of law they will have to show that they
>followed proceedure. and have risk management in place.
>
>
>I would love to hear what other hospitals are doing with Syntocinon
>Inductions.  Is it policy to use continuous CTG's
>throughout labour?
>
>Our policy is still at  the updating stage  and has room for change
>(hopefully)
>
>Thank you also Emily for you advise.
>
> Linda
>
>
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Re: [ozmidwifery] using a baby sling after C-section

[Jo Watson]

I would say that would be the best way to carry the baby, as the load will be closest to her body, therefore the lightest.HTHJoOn 17/06/2006, at 4:27 AM, Päivi Laukkanen wrote:Hi, I was asked by a woman if she can wear a babysling two weeks after her c-section. She was told not to carry anything hevier, than the child for six weeks and has asked me since we sold the hug-a-bub baby sling for her earlier. Before I answer her, I thought I'd ask you midwives first. To me it would make sense to carry the baby in a sling, but since I don't know too much about surgery, don't want to give wrong advise. PäiviChildbirth educatorFinland  

RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

[jo]

I understand that there is a need for
policies etc in ‘the system’. 

 

Your last line

 

‘However, whilst I was practicing as an independent
midwife...I treated the women I was working with the respect and honour
that they deserved and would definately watch and wait in cases like this’.

 

Why can’t women
choosing to birth in hospital receive the same respect and support? This is exactly
the problem and issue I have with policies, they are not individual based and
do not take into account individual women’s needs.

 

When a woman says " I'm not sure if I have broken my
waters or not".  

 

Why can’t those women
be assured that ‘if there was just a trickle it’s probably a hind
water leak and if there was a pop and gush then they have more than likely
broken, what do you think has happened, what is your feeling on it? Give it
back to her and therefore give her back the power – exactly where it
should be.

 

This is not a personal
issue with you Sally, simply trying to understand why the policies are so
strict with little room to move for individuals. When women do want to do
something that is different to what the policies say they are labeled as being
difficult – simply because they are informed.

 

I’ve been attending
2 births a month for the past 3 years as a doula and have seen women treated
like this over and over again and the eyes roll (not always) when I walk in as
her doula. Is it because she is empowering herself with support and knowledge?
I really don’t understand!

 

Thanks for listening

 

Jo

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sally @ home
Sent: Friday, 16 June 2006 2:14 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?



 



I have to say that, unfortunately, many women are not
in tune enough with their bodies to know whether they have ruptured their
membranes or not. this is evidenced by what they say on the phone... And we
have had incidences of women desperate to be induced tipping a glass of water
down their pants to make it look like they have!!





 





Policies and guidelines are not necessarily 'a load of
rubbish' either, they are not just a bunch of words written down at the whim of
an individual person. Believe me, having been on a guidelines development
committee, with everyone from the Director of Obstetrics to midwives from the
birth centre. It has taken over 18 months to review and rewrite only a handful
of guidelines. Unfortunately, we need these so that we all do the same
thing.There is enough confliciting adveice dished out by midwives as it is.





Not all of these guidelines are restrictive and if women
know enough to challenge them then I see that as good for the system. I just
wish there were more women out there who would challenge the system.





 





However, whilst I was practicing as an independent
midwife...I treated the women I was working with the respect and honour
that they deserved and would definately watch and wait in cases like this.





 





Sally







- Original Message - 





From: jo 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Thursday, June 15,
2006 8:26 PM





Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery]
How long before synto is used?





 



I always find it amazing that what is
happening to a woman’s body (i.e SROM) is not believed and that she has
to go in for ‘confirmation’. Surely the woman would know and
wouldn’t need it confirmed - so the hosp needs evidence because women
can’t be trusted to tell the truth. Gggrr! The more I read about this
the more frustrating it gets.

 

I supported at a homebirth last year where
SROM occurred at 36 weeks, mum new that midwife wouldn’t deliver at home
before 37 weeks. Got checked at hosp, signed herself out (they wanted her to
stay until labour started and to birth there) bed rest for 8 days –
constant water trickling – 37 +1 labour started – 4 hours,
beautiful healthy baby born in lounge room. 

 

Times, clocks, protocols, policies,
it’s all a load of rubbish.

 

Jo

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sally @ home
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:10
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?



 



We wait up to 96 hours. If a woman rings with ?pre-labour
SROM, we ask them to attend the unit for confirmation, either by history
(checking pads) or spec if it looks inconclusive. We do an abdo palp, CTG then
send her home with antibiotics to be commenced 18 hours after ROM. We ask to attend the unit
daily for CTG. Usually the women will go into spontaneous labour but if they
haven't by the 96 hours they come in for synt infusion.





 





Sally







- Original Message - 





From: Kelly @
BellyBelly 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Thursday, June 15,

RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

[jo]

I always find it amazing that what is
happening to a woman’s body (i.e SROM) is not believed and that she has
to go in for ‘confirmation’. Surely the woman would know and wouldn’t
need it confirmed - so the hosp needs evidence because women can’t be
trusted to tell the truth. Gggrr! The more I read about this the more frustrating
it gets.

 

I supported at a homebirth last year where
SROM occurred at 36 weeks, mum new that midwife wouldn’t deliver at home
before 37 weeks. Got checked at hosp, signed herself out (they wanted her to
stay until labour started and to birth there) bed rest for 8 days –
constant water trickling – 37 +1 labour started – 4 hours,
beautiful healthy baby born in lounge room. 

 

Times, clocks, protocols, policies, it’s
all a load of rubbish.

 

Jo

 









From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of sally @ home
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 11:10
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?



 



We wait up to 96 hours. If a woman rings with ?pre-labour
SROM, we ask them to attend the unit for confirmation, either by history
(checking pads) or spec if it looks inconclusive. We do an abdo palp, CTG then
send her home with antibiotics to be commenced 18 hours after ROM. We ask to
attend the unit daily for CTG. Usually the women will go into spontaneous
labour but if they haven't by the 96 hours they come in for synt infusion.





 





Sally







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From: Kelly @
BellyBelly 





To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 





Sent: Thursday, June 15,
2006 7:28 AM





Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery]
How long before synto is used?





 



How frustrating then, that of the births I
have been to, when there has been an ARM to induce labour, mum gets pressure
for the drip after an hour, then they keep coming back in at periodic intervals
of 30mins-1hr with more pressure for synto! It’s a fight to keep them
away! So would it be fair for a mum having an ARM to ask to have her waters
broken and then go home, or will they not allow this? I get the impression that
they want to keep you in, as I have asked many times if we can get out for a
walk and the only thing you can do is walk the ward, and not leave it. Very
frustrating if you are trying to get things going, as mum ends anxious about
the whole thing especially when you have such an unrealistic time frame to get
things going! 

 

Obviously some cases are different; I have
seen ARM for things like post-dates baby, twins, and the recent one where there
was cholestasis involved, which of course makes it different but frustrating
when you don’t have much info about, I think I need a good midwifery text
or something similar as even on the internet mum found it hard to get any good
information. She was only borderline for cholestasis, but the doctors were
scaring her about what *could*
happen and how they just don’t understand the condition well enough. She
had the drip up after only 2 hours despite regular 30 second contractions that
were progressing. Just an assumption, but if they are worried about baby
getting stressed from the labour – wouldn’t the induced labour be
more likely to stress baby? And the fact mum couldn’t cope with the
contractions as well and then had peth? The labour went quite quickly and it
was all over in a few hours. 



Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support











From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]
On Behalf Of Debbie Slater
Sent: Thursday, 15 June 2006 12:05
AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How
long before synto is used?



 

The UK’s NICE guidelines inherited from the UK’s
Royal College of Obs and Gynea suggest that it is fine to leave pre-labour
rupture of membranes up to 96 hours before induction of labour – see http://www.nice.org.uk/page.aspx?o=17381

 

 



Debbie Slater

Perth, WA











From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
[mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au]
On Behalf Of Kelly @ BellyBelly
Sent: Wednesday, 14 June 2006 8:48
PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] How long
before synto is used?



 

For those who work in maternity units, I am just wondering
what the policy is in your unit in regards to how long a woman can continue
after her waters have broken before having synto put up? There seems to be such
pressure to put it up fairly quickly (after you ask to at least wait at all!),
with an average of about 1 hour before the woman gets the pressure to speed
things up.

Best
Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Creator, BellyBelly.com.au 
Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood
BellyBelly Birth Support
- http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support

 







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RE: [ozmidwifery] How long before synto is used?

[Dean & Jo]

I supported a woman a few months back who had a SROM but no labour for a
day or two.  She was a birth centre mum but didn’t tell me or them abut
the ROM.  We went in and they said she would have to birth in labour
ward now as it had been 48 hours.  This wonderful gorgeous first time
mum said "I will go home if you don’t let me stay in the birth centre".
I 'played mediator' and requested that they give us a few hours and see
how things went before making such choices.  Every time the midwife came
in -which to her credit was few- we said she was doing fine.  By lunch
time (we had gone in at 6am) there was no real labour to speak of and
for some reason her hubby started t tell jokes and I asked how they had
met which turned out to be a very funny story.  We laughed -really
laughed for almost 30mins and low and behold on came labour.

She birthed beautifully about 5 hours later.  

Bring on those love and laugh hormones!  Perhaps people should suggest
that before synto?

Jo

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RE: [ozmidwifery] PPH levels soar

[jo]

Yeah, sucking on a piece of placenta is said to be a great way to stop
bleeding. Even though I'm vegetarian I would have given it a go rather than
go to hosp.

Lost 1500mls after first baby's birth, after cord traction which ended with
cord in registrars hand and placenta inside - manual removal, blood
transfusion uuugg would've eaten a horse to avoid that again!

Jo 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jo Bourne
Sent: Sunday, 11 June 2006 9:10 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] PPH levels soar

I know that homeopaths believe that the same thing you give to fix a symptom
can cause that symptom in a well person, or given in the wrong dose for the
individual. This is how they "prove" a homeopathic treatment. I don't know
if I have explained that very well...

Here is a link about homeopathic proving

http://www.hpathy.com/research/shere-proving-homeopathy.asp

Jo

At 6:49 PM +1000 11/6/06, Sue Cookson wrote:
>Hi,
>This article appeared in last week's Sydney Morning Herald.
>I think it's amazing and it appears that some of the information is
incorrect in that the article states that NSW Health implemented active
thrid stage and early cord clamping in 2002. Surely syntometrine and
syntocinon have been used for many more years than just the last four, in
which case this study is a real eye-opener if you believe we are stopping
women from bleeding by using drugs in third stage.
>
>What do you think?
>
>Sue
>
>Transfusions soar for women giving birth
>
>Julie Robotham Medical Editor
>June 3, 2006
>
>RECORD numbers of NSW women need transfusions to treat massive blood loss
after giving birth, in an epidemic that doctors say is threatening new
mothers' health and fertility and sometimes their lives.
>
>The number of women diagnosed with post-partum hemorrhage has rocketed by
nearly 30 per cent, and almost one in nine births was affected in 2002,
compared to one in 12 in 1994, University of Sydney research has shown.
>
>Of those, the proportion whose condition was severe enough to warrant a
blood transfusion increased sixfold, from 2 per cent to 12 per cent.
>
>"It's extremely important," said Ken Clark, the president of the Royal
Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists.
Bleeding was "still a very real cause of the death of women but also a great
deal of [ill health] that has a tremendous impact on women and their
families".
>
>In the worst cases mothers had to undergo emergency hysterectomies to save
their lives, but even less dramatic surgery to clamp blood vessels or
anaemia could be debilitating.
>
>"To have that on top of all the other stresses and strains of motherhood Š
it's the last thing people need," Dr Clark said.
>
>The NSW findings are the first large-scale confirmation of the impression
among individual doctors and hospitals across Australia that major bleeding
is increasing.
>
>Carolyn Cameron, who led the statewide analysis, said neither the
well-documented rise in caesarean section births nor the growing number of
older mothers could explain the increase in hemorrhages. It was possible
more borderline cases were being identified, but this alone was unlikely to
account for the increase.
>
>"We have to search for something else. It's a mystery," said Ms Cameron, a
research officer at the Centre for Perinatal Health Services Research.
>
>The group would now look at how many previous pregnancies women had and the
length of their labours to see whether these offered clues to the reasons
for hemorrhage - diagnosed when more than 500 millilitres of blood is lost
after a vaginal birth, or more than 750 millilitres after a caesarean.
>
>Blood loss - usually from the site where the placenta detaches - is
currently the single largest cause of pregnancy-related death in Australia.
>
>Between 1997 and 1999 - the most recent period for which figures are
available - eight women died as a consequence, including two who refused
transfusions for religious reasons.
>
>Ms Cameron's research, published in the Australian and New Zealand Journal
of Public Health, was based on the medical records of more than 52,000 women
who had a birth-related hemorrhage in NSW between 1994 and 2002.
>
>It is not yet clear whether the pattern has continued since 2002, when NSW
Health recommended the use of drugs to expel the placenta and early clamping
of the umbilical cord to limit bleeding.
>
>David Ellwood, professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at the Australian
National University Medical School in Canberra, said: "All of the major
hospitals around the country have been noticing an increase."
>
>Women who gave birth vaginally after a previous caesarean, or those
carrying

Re: [ozmidwifery] PPH levels soar

[Jo Bourne]

I know that homeopaths believe that the same thing you give to fix a symptom 
can cause that symptom in a well person, or given in the wrong dose for the 
individual. This is how they "prove" a homeopathic treatment. I don't know if I 
have explained that very well...

Here is a link about homeopathic proving

http://www.hpathy.com/research/shere-proving-homeopathy.asp

Jo

At 6:49 PM +1000 11/6/06, Sue Cookson wrote:
>Hi,
>This article appeared in last week's Sydney Morning Herald.
>I think it's amazing and it appears that some of the information is incorrect 
>in that the article states that NSW Health implemented active thrid stage and 
>early cord clamping in 2002. Surely syntometrine and syntocinon have been used 
>for many more years than just the last four, in which case this study is a 
>real eye-opener if you believe we are stopping women from bleeding by using 
>drugs in third stage.
>
>What do you think?
>
>Sue
>
>Transfusions soar for women giving birth
>
>Julie Robotham Medical Editor
>June 3, 2006
>
>RECORD numbers of NSW women need transfusions to treat massive blood loss 
>after giving birth, in an epidemic that doctors say is threatening new 
>mothers' health and fertility and sometimes their lives.
>
>The number of women diagnosed with post-partum hemorrhage has rocketed by 
>nearly 30 per cent, and almost one in nine births was affected in 2002, 
>compared to one in 12 in 1994, University of Sydney research has shown.
>
>Of those, the proportion whose condition was severe enough to warrant a blood 
>transfusion increased sixfold, from 2 per cent to 12 per cent.
>
>"It's extremely important," said Ken Clark, the president of the Royal 
>Australian and New Zealand College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists. 
>Bleeding was "still a very real cause of the death of women but also a great 
>deal of [ill health] that has a tremendous impact on women and their families".
>
>In the worst cases mothers had to undergo emergency hysterectomies to save 
>their lives, but even less dramatic surgery to clamp blood vessels or anaemia 
>could be debilitating.
>
>"To have that on top of all the other stresses and strains of motherhood Š 
>it's the last thing people need," Dr Clark said.
>
>The NSW findings are the first large-scale confirmation of the impression 
>among individual doctors and hospitals across Australia that major bleeding is 
>increasing.
>
>Carolyn Cameron, who led the statewide analysis, said neither the 
>well-documented rise in caesarean section births nor the growing number of 
>older mothers could explain the increase in hemorrhages. It was possible more 
>borderline cases were being identified, but this alone was unlikely to account 
>for the increase.
>
>"We have to search for something else. It's a mystery," said Ms Cameron, a 
>research officer at the Centre for Perinatal Health Services Research.
>
>The group would now look at how many previous pregnancies women had and the 
>length of their labours to see whether these offered clues to the reasons for 
>hemorrhage - diagnosed when more than 500 millilitres of blood is lost after a 
>vaginal birth, or more than 750 millilitres after a caesarean.
>
>Blood loss - usually from the site where the placenta detaches - is currently 
>the single largest cause of pregnancy-related death in Australia.
>
>Between 1997 and 1999 - the most recent period for which figures are available 
>- eight women died as a consequence, including two who refused transfusions 
>for religious reasons.
>
>Ms Cameron's research, published in the Australian and New Zealand Journal of 
>Public Health, was based on the medical records of more than 52,000 women who 
>had a birth-related hemorrhage in NSW between 1994 and 2002.
>
>It is not yet clear whether the pattern has continued since 2002, when NSW 
>Health recommended the use of drugs to expel the placenta and early clamping 
>of the umbilical cord to limit bleeding.
>
>David Ellwood, professor of obstetrics and gynaecology at the Australian 
>National University Medical School in Canberra, said: "All of the major 
>hospitals around the country have been noticing an increase."
>
>Women who gave birth vaginally after a previous caesarean, or those carrying 
>twins, might be at increased risk, he said. Rising birthweights might also 
>contribute to the trend.
>
>Increasing transfusion numbers indicated that the severest bleeding was also 
>rising, Professor Ellwood said - because doctors were reluctant to transfuse 
>women with less serious hemorrhages.
>
>A group of maternity hospitals was researching women's recovery from birth 
>hemorrhages 

RE: [ozmidwifery] informed consent

[jo]

Hi Kate,

Try Jan Robinson - National Coordinator of Aus Society of Independent
Midwives - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

She'll have a current list of IPM's.

jo

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate and/or Nick
Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2006 1:20 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] informed consent

UniSA allows students to have homebirth follow throughs.

Kate

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate Andrews
Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2006 11:13 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] informed consent

I'm a student and have chosen homebirth as my topic for a presentation to 
give in our final semester. I'd like to compile a "map" of homebirth 
practices arounbd Australia.Does anyone have any info or suggestions on 
where to look.

In regards the comments about students getting the opportunity to gain 
experience in this setting , in  our course its not even considered. I'm 
glad to have had a home birth myself and "helped" friends at their home 
births but this was quite a while before embarking on the midwifery journey 
myself. Where in Australia do student midwifes be given this learning 
oppotunity?
Kate


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Re: [ozmidwifery] degrees of high BP in preg

[Jo Watson]

Michelle Windsor wrote:



 
By the way with the first woman the doctor insisted that women can 
have eclamptic seizures even if their bloods are all normal.  Has 
anyone heard of this?  He did hold off on the mag sulphate when we 
were unhappy to give it (in view of normal bloods and BP settled with 
pain relief).  The woman birthed and had no further problems with BP.
 
Cheers

Michelle


Eclamptic seizures happen, if I remember correctly, due to the oedema on 
the brain, not necessarily what is in the blood.


Please correct me if I"m wrong, anyone!?

Jo

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