Re: Slide Mounts
If i ask my lab they will label the plastic slide mounts with the number of the shot - Original Message - From: "Ann Sanfedele" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Slide Mounts > PAUL STENQUIST wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > Detroit Autographic (I think that's the name. I keep getting it wrong, > > but you know who I mean: the old Meteor lab) uses plastic mounts. They > > seem to keep the film relatively flat and are nice and clean. My only > > gripe is that, in the case of this lab, they don't number the holders. > > > Yikes - I knew there was something else - the numbers are > very important... > at least if you are trying to keep notes in order and > identify stuff. > I would have liked roll numbers on the mounts, as well. > > The only time I had plastic mounts was when I had to do > stuff fast from a local lab when traveling. > > ann > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
My PZ-1 was insulted!
My beloved PZ-1 was insulted today when I was offered $75 for it in my local camera shop, Keepit&Shoveit in Palo Alto. So, I decided to put in on ebay, without reserve and a starting bid of $250, for the body, FA28-80 and Sigma 75-300, plus a bunch of filters and a case. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1276289779 If you win this item and mention the Pentax list when you contact me, I'll give you a 5% discount on your final bid. Trying-to-get-money-for-a-50-Summicron-but-don't-worry-I-still-have-an-MX,-MESuper-and-ZX5n, j = -- Juan J. Buhler http://www.jbuhler.com __ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Paul Jones writes: > Hahha, thats stupid, i dont want ever want to own a camera that has an alarm > clock in it, if i need to know the time i'll wear a watch. > > It reminds me of those digital cameras that were also an MP3 player Just like those web browsers that handle email, newsgroups, ftp and all sorts of other stuff. As we say down here; Jack of all trades, master of none. Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Is Matsushita Leica's long-awaited white knight?
Juan J. Buhler writes: > Imagine being able to use an old Industar on a digital camera! Well you'll get a Takumar onto one soon :) A 67 Takumar even... Cheers, - Dave David A. Mann, B.E. (Elec) http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/ "Why is it that if an adult behaves like a child they lock him up, while children are allowed to run free on the streets?" -- Garfield - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6
Hi, when you look at the Tokina 400/f5.6 with inner focusing, look at the out of foucus areas. I did and had a big laugh. Really ugly quadruple images! I'll stick to my Pentax K 400/f5.6 even though it is bigger and all manual Arnold - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
I use a fine point Steadler Lumocolor permanent #318 (black) which is made and sold as an overhead transparency marker. It's my all purpose pen for marking plastic slide mounts, negatives, the back of RC prints (it doesn't bleed in) and anything else smooth or shiny. Make sure you don't get the water soluble version, which wipes off. Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "William D. Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Thanks, Ann. I do write on the mounts when captioning and organizing my slides, and if the plastic prevents doing that, or requires using labels, then I'd be better off with the cardboard. > > Bill Sawyer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Wide angle zoom advice requested
I have the 24/2 and the 28-70/4 and i usually carry them both in my camera bag. Even though there is only 4mm difference between 24 and 28 i find it to be quite significant when shooting and its nice and fast for a 24mm. Of late when shooting with two bodies i have the 28-70/4 on my MZ-S and 24/2 on my MX. the 24/2 is quite nice to manually focus (the 28-70/4 sucks to manuually focus). - Original Message - From: "Alan Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 3:05 PM Subject: Re: Wide angle zoom advice requested > >Considering only the optical qualities, what is your advice? > > I think the best primes are still better than the best zooms. Otherwise, > there was no need to make primes anymore. The FA*24/2 is an excellent lens, > but doesn't seem to fit well in your package since you have the 35/2 and > 28-70/4 already. Perhaps a FA20/2.8 might be considered too. Personally, I > use primes only except the SMC-A70-210/4, but expect to switch lenses often > (might not work for everyone). > > regards, > Alan Chan > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: > > Hi Bill, > Detroit Autographic (I think that's the name. I keep getting it wrong, > but you know who I mean: the old Meteor lab) uses plastic mounts. They > seem to keep the film relatively flat and are nice and clean. My only > gripe is that, in the case of this lab, they don't number the holders. Yikes - I knew there was something else - the numbers are very important... at least if you are trying to keep notes in order and identify stuff. I would have liked roll numbers on the mounts, as well. The only time I had plastic mounts was when I had to do stuff fast from a local lab when traveling. ann - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
Paul Jones wrote: > > Just get a fine permanent felt tip pen. thats how i write on my plastic > mounted slides. You havent seen my handwriting :) I've found that the labels I used that have lots of typing on them stick better to cardboard. Is there any reason to think this is being changed by Kodak for any other than an economic benefit to them, btw? Just wondering annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Wide angle zoom advice requested
>Considering only the optical qualities, what is your advice? I think the best primes are still better than the best zooms. Otherwise, there was no need to make primes anymore. The FA*24/2 is an excellent lens, but doesn't seem to fit well in your package since you have the 35/2 and 28-70/4 already. Perhaps a FA20/2.8 might be considered too. Personally, I use primes only except the SMC-A70-210/4, but expect to switch lenses often (might not work for everyone). regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tamron 28-105 Lens.
>Actually, not wanting to break your love, but I find newer Tamrons
>not much rugged. I had a newer lens in their SP ("pro") line (it
>even wasn't AF so I assumed better build) and it
>wasn't up to my expectations. From what I heard here and elsewhere,
>the Tokina makes the most rugged non-OEM lenses nowadays. Maybe
>more than some originals :) But of course this might not apply to
>the same line in which they produce a cheaper 28-105 zoom. But try
>it out - the tokina equivalent might be well better made, thus
>lasting longer with same performance, while a worse made lens might
>have good perf. for start but worsen as it gets loose and the
>optics loose etc.
I had the SP35-105/2.8 with the same problem too. I think Tamron have been
killing themselves by stamping the "SP" to easily on their lenses since the
AF era. I once had much respect on Tamron but I'll never buy them again. I
can see it's a dying company...
regards,
Alan Chan
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Re: Ball Point Pens & Pencils (Was Re: THE NEW PENTAX)
I make a lot of mistakes, therefore I use a professional Pilot .5 mechanical pencil with a push button retractable point (not just the lead, the whole point) similar to a ball point pen. I agree the ball point pen is a mechanical marvel. Regards, Bob... --- "In the carboniferous epoch we were promised perpetual peace. They swore if we gave up our weapons that the wars of the tribes would cease. But when we disarmed they sold us, and delivered us, bound, to our foe. And the gods of the copybook headings said, 'Stick to the devil you know.' " --Rudyard Kipling From: "Treena Harp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Bravo! I confess I have never seen such a comprehensive treatise on such > underappreciated objects. I find such odd facts fascinating (I'm not > joking.) > > > > > It is clear that you know little or nothing about the ball point pen, > > but, before going into a few details please understand that I chose > > the pen over the pencil because the pencil points often broke and, of > > course, always wore down. This simple fact of of pencil usage would > > have required carrying a pencil sharpener, either a dedicated, small, > > pocketable sharpener or a knife with which to whittle a sharp, usable > > point. The pencil then became too complex and cumbersome to use. > > > > Now to the ball point pen. The ball point pen is almost as old as > > photography itself, having been invented prior to October, 1888, the > > date when it was patented. It was met with mixed success, although it > > worked well for rough marking of items, as the ball was not very > > precisely ground and the ink was rather thick. However, in 1944 an > > Argentinean by the name of Lazlo Biro (coincidentally, a distant > > relative to a high school classmate, Barbara Biro) was able to > > successfully produce an accurately ground ball that would ride in a > > brass socket. This was the first ball point pen that could achieve > > fine enough detail for correspondence and be able to compete with the > > fountain pen in producing even lines. > > > > We'll jump ahead to 1954, skipping over some of the the problems with > > the Biro design and with marketing and economics. 1954 was a > > watershed year for the ball-point, as that's when the Parker Pen > > Company brought out it's first model - the Jotter. It offered a > > number of innovative features, including the ability for the user to > > choose point sizes and therefore individualize his or her writing > > style. Then, in 1957 or 1958 Parker introduced the T-Ball Jotter, > > which used a textured tungsten carbide ball, incorporated in the > > Jotter, hence the name "T-Ball Jotter". By 1961 it became the best > > selling ball pen around the world in the quality (over $1.00) price > > category. Since that time parker has improved the T-Ball Jotter, and > > changed from a brass socket to a stainless steel socket in 1963. Of > > course there were other improvements as well. > > > > So, being true to form, I am using old technology which has been > > proven over time and updated with modern materials while still > > maintaining its original integrity. The actual pens that I use date > > from 1963, when I bought my first T-Ball Jotter with black ink and an > > extra fine point. What is especially nice about these simple > > ball-point pens is, like leica and pentax, their complete > > compatibility. Older pen bodies can use the newer cartridges. The > > ball points that I use are almost as old as my Leicas (which were made > > in 1959 and 1960) and older than almost all my Pentax gear. > > > > Now, if you'll indulge me a bit further, I'd like to return to the > > pencil, which you suggest is a "good, old fashioned" instrument. > > While it's true that the history of the pencil can be traced back to, > > I believe, the early to mid 1500s, the pencil as we know it really > > didn't come into existence before about 1812, and the first pencil > > factory in the US was established in 1840. However, pencils of this > > era were still rather crude, and it wasn't until many years later that > > the pencil, as we know it today came into being, even though it has > > gone through many changes in manufacturing technique and materials. > > In fact, while the pencil is in fact older than the ball point pen, > > one may argue that the ball point pen is older than the contemporary > > pencil design. For a more detailed account of the history of the > > pencil, I'd suggest reading Henry Petroski's book, "The Pencil - A > > History of Design and Circumstance" published in 1990 by Alfred A. > > Knopf. It's really an excellent book. > > > > In any case, both the ball point pen and the pencil fit well within > > the technology parameters with which I'm most comfortable. I just > > opted for convenience and a somewhat more durable and long lasting > > technology (a Parker ball pen will produce more than 28,000 linear > > feet of writing - one would use up many pencils
Re: Forget about this one.......????
I used to be a big fan of test results but not anymore. I still remember the SMC PENTAX-A 70-210/4 were rated poorly by them while mine (2) were pretty good. They gave the FA*85/1.4 a full 5 stars but I must disagree even though I love this lens. I have the FA77/1.8 now and I think it should be rewarded a 6 stars if the FA*85/1.4 had 5. regards, Alan Chan >I just read the new Chasseur DÍmages. >They tested the pentax 1.8/31, the FA4/200 and the new 28-105. >They find them to be okay, though all ( and especially the first two) to >be expensive. This is becoming typical for Pentax, they write. > >They also test teleconverters, and their verdict on the >Pentax-converters is pretty strong...the autofocus 1.7 converter they >call hopelessly bad and "forget about this one", while they call the >Pentax A 1.4 converter "of anecdotical interest only". > >Strange, especially with the 1.7 AF converter I have made photographs >that were sharp and contrasty, and I was, in fact, quite pleased with >it. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
In a message dated 9/17/2001 8:43:32 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Another thing to keep in mind is that the cardboard mounts are thicker > than the plastic ones, AFAIK, so you may have trouble using cardboard > mounts in a 140 carousel tray, for example. > > chris > The only problem I have had with cardboard mounts in 140 carousel trays has been when the mounts were bent or curved. When I used Kodak processing the cardboard mounts occasionally arrived slightly bent. Regards, Ed Matthew - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Slide Mounts
The fine tip Sharpie seems to be getting the nod. I'm wondering if I can write small enough with it, though, to get the info I want onto the slide. Currently, I use a .5 tip, extra fine pen to write on the cardboard slide mount. Thanks, and enjoy the MZ-S, Mark. I've seen Ken Waller's and it's a fine piece of equipment. Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: September 17, 2001 9:07 PM I use a fine tip Sharpie permanent marker to write on plastic mounts. I've always preferred plastic but never enough to get unduly concerned about it. Now, though, I'm going to prefer plastic because they're easier to pry open when I need to see what f-stop and shutter speed my MZ-S has imprinted between the sprocket holes! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Slide Mounts
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, William D. Sawyer wrote: > Thanks, Ann. I do write on the mounts when captioning and organizing > my slides, and if the plastic prevents doing that, or requires using > labels, then I'd be better off with the cardboard. Another thing to keep in mind is that the cardboard mounts are thicker than the plastic ones, AFAIK, so you may have trouble using cardboard mounts in a 140 carousel tray, for example. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
"William D. Sawyer" wrote: > Hi All, > > I just got some slides back from Kodak, and there was a note in the box that Kodak >is moving to plastic mounts. If requested, cardboard mounts are still available but >plastic will now be the standard. > > My question is, what are people's opinions of the pros and cons of each? > > Thanks for any interest. > > Bill Sawyer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] I prefer plastic mounts. I do not like how the edges of a projected image look rough when the slide is a cardboard mount. David S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Forget about this one.......????
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, John Mustarde wrote: > I too have made sharp photos with the Pentax 1.7x AF Adaptor. I like > it so much I have two of them. Well, now you know you're wrong. :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote: > As for its note-taking capability - what I have to say about that is > best not posted on a family forum. I carry a note pad in my Domke bag > along with a few ball point pens. Shame on you, Shel... ball points are so *modern*... space age, even. What's wrong with a good old-fashioned pencil, hmm? This is just the first sign, you know... I can see the 28-300 arriving on your step any day now. *L* :) chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
On Tue, 18 Sep 2001, David A. Mann wrote: > Jim Brooks writes: > > > They don't appear to be jumping on the bandwagon too quickly. Coolpix 995 > > and Dimage 7 make it harder for Pentax to make an early impression! > > I read an article recently about how some of the best test-equipment > manufacturers (HP, Tektronix) succeeded not by trying to be first into the > market, but by actually having the best products. Let's hope that's what Pentax is doing with digital. Pentax wasn't one of the first companies to come out with a handful of APS cameras, for example, but when they did they brought out the Efina T, which was a gorgeous camera. Like the Optio 330, it had a metal body. It had a longer zoom than the Canon Elph (3x vs. 2x), and didn't have the weird slide-out flash that Canon's Elph 370 (3x zoom) had. It was a great little camera as far as APS ones went. Now the Optio 330 is small, metal-bodied, has 3MP (good 8x10's), and is one of my favourite miniature 3MP models out there right now.I hope the trend continues. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
I forget all the questions asked in the original post, but after seeing some of the discussion being thrown back and forth I felt the need to add my two (or 3, or 4) cents. Digital is a wonderful medium for photography. My business is sports photography. When I shoot a little league game, the film is dropped off at Wal-Mart to be processed onto a CD (I wouldn't ordinarily do this but the new wal-mart around the corner from my house has new digital equipment that rivals the quality from the pro lab I normally use). Proofs are placed on my website and proof sheets are printed out. When I shoot for a newspaper, the film is either taken to Wal-Mart or developed myself (if it's b&w). It is then trasmitted electronically to the paper (if I can not get to the office). In both cases, having a professional digital body that I can use all of my existing Pentax accessories on would prove to be an incredible addition to my system. I yearn for the day when I can show parents proofs from their child's little league game as they are leaving the park. Or when I can simply download the high school game to the puter without having to bother with processing and scanning. I have been ready to go completely digital for almost as long as I've been working with newspapers, eagerly awaiting the day that Pentax would announce a digital K-mount body. I must stress that I understand that digital is not a viable or desired medium for everyone. Then again, neither is any other photographic medium. I think I've shot two maybe three rolls of slide film in my 2 year photography career. Because it's inferior? No, because it does not suit my needs or desires. This undending bickering over whether or not film (or digital) is the ultimate solve all for all our particular photographic tastes will simply go nowhere. I don't think film will ever die, period. We still have hunters that utilize primitive archery gear, film is here to stay. Even when I purchase whatever new digital wonder Pentax releases, I will still have my wonderful K1000. Nick Wright www.wrightfoto.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Slide Mounts
Do you need to be more careful when writing to avoid smearing, Paul? Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of PAUL STENQUIST Sent: September 17, 2001 8:17 PM You can write on the plastic mounts with a Sharpie, but not with a regular ink pen or ball point. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
"David A. Mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had my picture taken at work yesterday (ugh, I hate cameras). The guy had >this fancy Sony digital camera that will shoot stills onto memory stick and video >onto digital videotape. You can download everything to your computer via >firewire. Functionally very impressive but what got me was the recorded "click- >whirr" sound it plays when you take a photo. The guy hadn't figured out how >to disable it yet (so much for digital's ability to be unobtrusive). I wonder if you >can upload new sounds. I'd record the sound of a Pentax 67 "clunk". Or a K2 >complete with the sound of manually winding the film. I absolutely LOVE that idea! Sampled shutter noises of your choice to upload. Collect and trade 'em on line! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
I use a fine tip Sharpie permanent marker to write on plastic mounts. I've always preferred plastic but never enough to get unduly concerned about it. Now, though, I'm going to prefer plastic because they're easier to pry open when I need to see what f-stop and shutter speed my MZ-S has imprinted between the sprocket holes! - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax 67 Questions
Well, at least be selective about your next PUG submission. :) Collin >On a related note, I sat on my 77mm... >tv >- - * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Slide Mounts
Thanks, Paul. Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul Jones Sent: September 17, 2001 7:55 PM Just get a fine permanent felt tip pen. thats how i write on my plastic mounted slides. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Slide Mounts
Thanks, Ed. I have a couple of those in my desk, so I'll keep this in mind. Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 17, 2001 7:51 PM The Sanford Sharpie Ultra Fine Point permanent felt tip pen works very well for writing on plastic mounts. Regards, Ed Matthew (not to be confused with Ed Mathews who is bigger and more famous.) - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
Hi Bill, Detroit Autographic (I think that's the name. I keep getting it wrong, but you know who I mean: the old Meteor lab) uses plastic mounts. They seem to keep the film relatively flat and are nice and clean. My only gripe is that, in the case of this lab, they don't number the holders. Paul - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
You can write on the plastic mounts with a Sharpie, but not with a regular ink pen or ball point. "William D. Sawyer" wrote: > > Thanks, Ann. I do write on the mounts when captioning and organizing my slides, and >if the plastic prevents doing that, or requires using labels, then I'd be better off >with the cardboard. > > Bill Sawyer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -Original Message- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele > Sent: September 17, 2001 6:56 PM > > annsan replies: > I'd certainly still be asking for cardboard - > I find it awfully difficult to keep a firm grasp on a > plastic mount, for one, and it is difficult both to secure > labels to them and/or to write on them. As long as they can > be made with recycled paper I see no harm to the environment > in cardboard ones - I'm not really knowledgeable enough to > get into the details of that, but it is a mildly educated > guess. > > annsan > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > > Digital has, to the best of my knowledge, one look. Excuse my snipping just this one comment from your well spoken post, but I think there's room for discussion on this single point. Digital can achieve many looks, but it does so in post. In other words, it's the PhotoShop tweaks, adjustments, and fine tuning that make digital attractive. In the motion picture and advertising worlds, much of which is shot on film attains its final look in digital post. I have found that I enjoy working on a scan of a transparency in PhotoShop almost as much as I enjoy working in the darkroom. And of course, a digital original of sufficiently high resolution will provide a nice starting point for "digital darkroom" work. The look of the final photograph can vary widely. You can achieve the ultra saturation of a Velvia, the crisp brilliance of Portra, or even the washed out tones of an ancient Kodachrome transparency. I think starting with film rather than a digital image will prove superior for at least a few years to come, even in the digital darkroom, but one can certainly achieve a wide range of looks with digital images. Best regards, Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
Just get a fine permanent felt tip pen. thats how i write on my plastic mounted slides. - Original Message - From: "William D. Sawyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 9:41 AM Subject: RE: Slide Mounts > Thanks, Ann. I do write on the mounts when captioning and organizing my slides, and if the plastic prevents doing that, or requires using labels, then I'd be better off with the cardboard. > > Bill Sawyer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -Original Message- > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele > Sent: September 17, 2001 6:56 PM > > annsan replies: > I'd certainly still be asking for cardboard - > I find it awfully difficult to keep a firm grasp on a > plastic mount, for one, and it is difficult both to secure > labels to them and/or to write on them. As long as they can > be made with recycled paper I see no harm to the environment > in cardboard ones - I'm not really knowledgeable enough to > get into the details of that, but it is a mildly educated > guess. > > annsan > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Pentax equipment
Well, my son's getting entrepreneurial. Here's what he's got now. ZX-5 #1 Excellent Condition $200 #2 Needs back replaced $150 just order the part from Pentax The latch clip on the back is broken off. It's the databack, but you can probably order the regular back pretty cheaply. Tamron 70-300 zoom $125 AF LD 4/5.6 Excellent condition Pentax-F 35-80 4.5/5.6 $65 Excellent condition * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Forget about this one.......????
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:50:21 +0200, I read: snip >..the autofocus 1.7 converter they >call hopelessly bad and "forget about this one", I too have made sharp photos with the Pentax 1.7x AF Adaptor. I like it so much I have two of them. Matter of fact, it is the second-best TC I've tried, and I've tested about twenty of them. My best TC is the Pentax 1.4 XL. My test of the 1.4 XL vs 1.7 Adapter was not a fair comparison, because the 1.4XL was tested on a lens it was designed for specifically, while the 1.7x Adapter was used on many different lenses. -- John Mustarde - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely
The problem he's dealing with is a social characteristic that Bill Bennett wrote about -- "The Death of Outrage". We're a nation with little developed passion, and he's working to stir the pot just a bit. We don't want another situation as we had a few years ago, just throwing a few missiles into Afghanistan and blowing up an aspirin factory in Sudan. No wonder they're mad @ US. (I don't justify their actions in the least, but do see the wrongs that we've committed.) Collin >The "cowboy talk" of president Bush gives me the impression that his level >is not really higher than the "Jerry Springer type" American. I hope >strongly that I see this wrong. Or that he has enough wise advicers >(Powel?)around him to stop him. > >Regards, Jos from Holland * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: That "professional" thing again
Hobby businesses have to make a profit 2 out of 5 years. If they don't do that they can not be used to write off other income. However, you can still deduct expenses against income of the hobby business. --graywolf Kevin Thornsberry wrote: > > Not for very many years. If you want to deduct business expenses you have to turn a >profit otherwise the IRS calls it a hobby. > > Note: I'm not an accountant and could be wrong but think I'm right. So there! > > Kevin > (who is mostly just wants the pontificating on the other threads to die down) > > -Original Message- > From: Shel Belinkoff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:06 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject:Re: That "professional" thing again > > > Kevin Thornsberry wrote: > > > > I like the IRS approach. If you make > > a profit you can call it a business. > > Otherwise it is a hobby. > > That's not quite true. A business can lose money and still be a > busines. > > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Tom Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo Charlotte, NC, USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Screen name change
Great idea. And I've decided to now go by the name of ledmarvin. This should solve the problem once and for all. Thanks, ledmarvin http://lightandsilver.com > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:08 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: OT: Screen name change > > > Hereafter Edmptx will use the screen name ledmrvm. I > apologize for cluttering > the message list, but have promised to avoid confusion with > the other Eds on > the list. > > Best regards, > Ed M. > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To > unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the > directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery > at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Hahha, thats stupid, i dont want ever want to own a camera that has an alarm clock in it, if i need to know the time i'll wear a watch. It reminds me of those digital cameras that were also an MP3 player >(did you know the Optio 330 has an alarm > clock built in, because it's meant to be a "travel-all" camera for business > people. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
In a message dated 9/17/2001 6:46:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Thanks, Ann. I do write on the mounts when captioning and organizing my > slides, and if the plastic prevents doing that, or requires using labels, > then I'd be better off with the cardboard. > > Bill Sawyer > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The Sanford Sharpie Ultra Fine Point permanent felt tip pen works very well for writing on plastic mounts. I use the snap together Gepe plastic mounts. One side is gray, the other is white. They are available with 2mm glass or without glass. Regards, Ed Matthew (not to be confused with Ed Mathews who is bigger and more famous.) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Sv: Re: OT: Let's Pray
Why? Because they want to and we have let them. That is about to change. You hug them. We'll shoot them. One or the other ought to work. What would you be saying if this had happened in your country, and it was thousands of your friends and reletives who were killed. Not, "hug them", I'll bet. --graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I don't have a plan. > Just believe that Osama bin Laden or who ever did this terrible crime against >humanity and the American people has made an important statement: USA interfers to >much in other countries affairs - claiming to defend democracy and humanity, but >maybe is more conserned about US investments that anything else! Mr bin Laden is not >the only one who thinks so! > > Starting annother punishment war is just about the most stupid thing to do. It will >mean more lost, innocent human lives! > > Insted - find out WHY, in order to prevent things like this to repeat! > > How to deal with the ongoing threads from sertain places, I don't know. > Jens > > > Fra: Bob Blakely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Dato: 2001/09/17 Mon PM 10:14:25 CEST > > Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Emne: Re: OT: Let's Pray > > > > So- > > What's your contingency plan for when they won't and won't talk? We all > > need to know! > > > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Let's all pray, that all countries will respect the right to freedom and > > independance of all people in the world - muslims, communists, buhdists, > > hindues, cristians, jews, pentaxloveres and all other of gods children etc. > > > Thanks > > > Jens > > - > > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > > > > > - > WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.dk > - > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- Tom Rittenhouse Graywolf Photo Charlotte, NC, USA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: Screen name change
Little Tommy wrote: > I would like to propose that he go by > the moniker 'The Iron Ed', since he swings a mean F100 and is > a giant of a man. S!!! This is the Pentax list! You're gonna get me in trouble. Besides, I still own plenty of Pentax gear. Anybody wanna buy some? > Well, anyay, he's real tall. Plus, 'Magnesium Ed' is a mouthful. How about: "Wishing the MZS was silver and focused better to match my freakin' expensive limited lenses Ed"? Thanks, Ed http://lightandsilver.com > > Speaking of Nikon...the other day I took a tour of our > machine room here at the U of MD. I was surprised to see the > design changes that the IBM 390 mainframe has been through. > Used to be, they were housed in big blue boxes (duh). Now > they come in a stylish black box with a red stripe. In other > words, they look like a big Nikon: > http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/s390/pes/ Maybe there's some sort of weird product convergence heremaybe the Nikon D390 is right around the corner. It'll only be useful for studio photography, and you'll need raised flooring, an A/C upgrade, and a *serious* tripod. OTOH, you get 500GB images and a very manly 250 million frames per second. Batteries may be a problem. Pardon me, I was due for a ramble. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Slide Mounts
Hi Mark, Michigan's about the same, cooler, though ;-) We're trying to arrange another PUGster outing this weekend. Thanks for the reply, that makes sense about the cardboard debris. Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mark D. Sent: September 17, 2001 7:05 PM How ya doin' out in MI?? I'm partial to the plastic mounts. I find alot of debris from the frayed ends of the cardboard mounts make their way onto the film... Mark - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Slide Mounts
Thanks, Ann. I do write on the mounts when captioning and organizing my slides, and if the plastic prevents doing that, or requires using labels, then I'd be better off with the cardboard. Bill Sawyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: September 17, 2001 6:56 PM annsan replies: I'd certainly still be asking for cardboard - I find it awfully difficult to keep a firm grasp on a plastic mount, for one, and it is difficult both to secure labels to them and/or to write on them. As long as they can be made with recycled paper I see no harm to the environment in cardboard ones - I'm not really knowledgeable enough to get into the details of that, but it is a mildly educated guess. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6
On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:57:27 +0200, canislupus wrote: > when you get around to trying [the Tokina SD 400/5.6], > please post your results here. Will do. > I am much interested how a semi-modern SD/LD/APO tele compares to > an older much simpler tele design I think the SMC K 400/5.6 is > according to Boz. "Resolution" wise and contrast-wise. I can tell you that the Tokina SD is noticeably smaller and lighter than the SMC. About 20% shorter; 72mm filter instead of 77 or 78mm; probably 25% or more lighter. I don't have the tripod mount for the SD, though, so it might not make the October trip. It would be much easier to handle than the SMC without its collar, though. Plus the SD has the "A" setting for Tv shooting, which makes motorsports photography a lot easier. For any spot on the track, I generally want to force the shutter speed, so that the pictures end up with a feeling of speed (wheels blurring a bit). The apertures for that spot then move around maybe +/1 one stop as the lighting changes. > [...] I found > some older non-SD teles to have good performance, but that > was stopped down a bit (1-2 stops), [...] I'll remember that. Stopped down should be no problem, though. During daylight, when I'll be using the 400, I'll have to stop down (about f/8 to about f/22) to keep the shutter speed between about 1/125 and 1/500. Dusk and night, I'll be using shorter and faster lenses. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Is Matsushita Leica's long-awaited white knight?
Heres a link to some info on it. looks pretty good. http://www.dpreview.com/news/0109/01091701matsushitaleica.asp - Original Message - From: "Mike Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2001 6:59 AM Subject: Is Matsushita Leica's long-awaited white knight? > By the way, it looks to me like Leica has finally figured out a way to hoist > its butt out of the fire. The fact that Sony is using Carl Zeiss lenses on > all its digicams has greatly revitalized the Cameralens division of Carl > Zeiss--I hear it has more than tripled the number of employees working in > the division. If Matsushita is serious about an assault on the digicam > market--and it looks like it is--AND if it's going to use Leica-made optics > on all its digicams, then this is the salvation of Leica, which has looked > very much in recent years like a doomed, dying company. > > This has been a development devoutly to be wished; if any > 35mm-film-camera-producing company deserves to survive into perpetuity, it > is definitely Leica. > > --Mike > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT
Only digital is allowed:-) Frits Wüthrich > > > Anyone know what restrictions (since WTC) will apply to carrying > film on to > a plane? > Jim A. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
From: Shel Belinkoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > and an all-new, from-the-ground-up digital SLR that takes K mount > > lenses > > Good. When it arrives I'll throw a K85/1.8 on the puppy and see what > it can do. The sukka better not beep, whistle, chime, or talk to me > in a soothing voice. If it does anything more than just make the > exposure ~on my terms~ it'll be back to the dealer before my credit > card can be processed. Come on Shel! You gotta admit a camera with a soothing voice does sound intriguing Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
From: William D. Sawyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > My question is, what are people's opinions of the pros and cons of each? Hey Bill, How ya doin' out in MI?? I'm partial to the plastic mounts. I find alot of debris from the frayed ends of the cardboard mounts make their way onto the film... Mark - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Slide Mounts
"William D. Sawyer" wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just got some slides back from Kodak, and there was a note in the box that Kodak >is moving to plastic mounts. If requested, cardboard mounts are still available but >plastic will now be the standard. > > My question is, what are people's opinions of the pros and cons of each? > annsan replies: I'd certainly still be asking for cardboard - I find it awfully difficult to keep a firm grasp on a plastic mount, for one, and it is difficult both to secure labels to them and/or to write on them. As long as they can be made with recycled paper I see no harm to the environment in cardboard ones - I'm not really knowledgeable enough to get into the details of that, but it is a mildly educated guess. annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Forget about this one.......????
- Original Message - From: "john vanderaalst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Forget about this one... > Hi, > > I just read the new Chasseur DÍmages. There has been discussions in the past about Chasseur DÍmages' tests and testing procedures. I think the consensus of the people on the list that know about this stuff is that Chasseur DÍmages basically has there collective heads up their asses regarding lens tests in general, and Pentax lenses in particular. William Robb > They tested the pentax 1.8/31, the FA4/200 and the new 28-105. > They find them to be okay, though all ( and especially the first two) to > be expensive. This is becoming typical for Pentax, they write. > > They also test teleconverters, and their verdict on the > Pentax-converters is pretty strong...the autofocus 1.7 converter they > call hopelessly bad and "forget about this one", while they call the > Pentax A 1.4 converter "of anecdotical interest only". > > Strange, especially with the 1.7 AF converter I have made photographs > that were sharp and contrasty, and I was, in fact, quite pleased with > it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Mike Johnston wrote: > > Shel wrote: > > > I like my cameras to be simple, > > pleasing to my senses with a classic look and feel. I've yet to see a > > digital camera that looks and feels like an LX, Spotmatic, or a Leica. > > But that's simply implementation. Most film cameras don't look and feel like > an LX, a Spotmatic, or a Leica, either. And that's why I prefer an LX, Leica, or a Spotmatic. If I preferred the look and feel of a Nikon, I'd have bought a Nikon, likewise any of a number of other cameras. > And you probably haven't tried an Olympus E-10 (E-20 replacement now > announced). For build quality, hand-feel, and ergonomics, that one doesn't > give much away to anything. No, I've not tried an Olympus E-anything, and have tried (by using) very few digital cameras. The ones I've handled and the ones I've used offend my sensibilities. There are, IMO, numerous design or operational characteristics that relegate them to paper weight status. You asked for my opinion and now you seem to be arguing that my opinion needs rethinking, and that I should certainly try the cameras that you've found interesting. > I've got an Optio 330 coming. The build quality is reported to be very high, > despite its miniscule size. I'll report on it when I've tried it. I don't like anything of minuscule size. I like things of a certain heft and weight, and of pleasing dimensions and proportions. What satisfies me may not satisfy someone else, but frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn. > In any event, it won't be long before Pentax has a very good note-taking, > carry-all-the-time compact camera (did you know the Optio 330 has an alarm > clock built in, because it's meant to be a "travel-all" camera for business > people?), BFD ... I don't even own a watch and, apart from the clock in my darkroom, there's not a single clock in my home - not even an alarm clock. And I damn well don't want my camera telling me the time, or ringing an alarm while I'm busy making pictures or doing anything else. I long ago made a decision that time would not rule, or be a major factor, in my life, so I sure as hell don't want an alarm clock in my camera. As for its note-taking capability - what I have to say about that is best not posted on a family forum. I carry a note pad in my Domke bag along with a few ball point pens. I don't need some digital device in my camera taking notes for me. All this crap is just a way of creating a need for marketing purposes. I just want to make pictures, not carry half an office in my camera. Pull out the note pad, throw away the alarm clock, and give me a shutter release with no appreciable lag, or a lens that's sharper or faster or that offers better build quality. Frankly, Mike, I'm surprised that these digital gadgets intrigue you as much as they seem to. It appears that the marketing geeks got ya . > and an all-new, from-the-ground-up digital SLR that takes K mount > lenses Good. When it arrives I'll throw a K85/1.8 on the puppy and see what it can do. The sukka better not beep, whistle, chime, or talk to me in a soothing voice. If it does anything more than just make the exposure ~on my terms~ it'll be back to the dealer before my credit card can be processed. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
tv wrote: > I'm with Cotty on this one, mostly. However, I need 2 things from > digital that I don't think it quite has yet: low light sensitivity, and > a good b+w output option. So far I've ony seen decent prints at EI 100, > and the comments regarding b+w prints just from this list haven't been > encouraging. > > When those two problems are solved, I'm in. I think the b&w part is already here, but it's a fairly esoteric sidelight to the whole digital bandwagon that requires some commitment to learn about. I haven't really been following it, but from the photographic community I'm already hearing about--and seeing--b&w prints that are at least as good as what's possible optically. Tina Manley has been making all her b&w prints digitally for at least three years now, for example. I agree with you that sensitivity is an issue that hasn't really been adequately raised yet. The easy-to-grasp specification is the number of pixels, so the makers are locked into that battle--"my 3 beats your 2" "oh yeah? My 4 beats your 3!" "Oh YEAH? I've got a 4 too!" "Hey, I've got a 5, so stuff you guys!" It doesn't make the most sense, to me. There's a limit to how many pixels are needed, and to who needs them. There's the issue of whether stuffing too many pixels on a CCD actually lowers image quality because it becomes harder to make the thing work right (so far, actual users of 4- and 5-megapixel consumer digicams aren't just raving about quality). And then there's the storage issue. The greater the pixel count, the more stoarge is needed and the fewer shots can be taken and the larger the file size in the computer, etc. In a way, there's an almost arbitrary quality to what captures the public's fancy as measures of "goodness." The fact that EVERYBODY is talking about pixel count and NOBODY is talking about sensitivity is a great example of this. I made the point in print once that we're extremely lucky that the longevity of early digital prints was so POOR--because it brought it to the buying public's attention and thus FORCED the manufacturers to deal with the problem. It's become a selling point, and, because it's a selling point, it's being addressed. Sensitivity isn't being addressed. I hope it will be sometime soon. I'd rather have a 3-megapixel camera with a true noiseless ISO 800 equivalent potential than a 6-mp camera that has to be used at an ISO 80 equivalent. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: America's suffering
I would, him and Robertson are both pricks and that kind of fanaticism always leads to similar conclusions, just sometimes on different scales... Norm Rex Probert wrote: > Dave, I would not compare Jerry Falwell to the Taliban. > > A scroll of mail from Collin Brendemuehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, > > 14 Sep 2001 07:19:44 -0500 > > Read it? y > >> To become a Muslim one needs simply to say: "There is > >> one God, Allah, and Mohammed is His prophet." > > > > Lah Allah Il Allah, if my arabic is remembered well. > > "There is no god but God" > > > >> That's the reason for getting rid of Jews and Christians. To > >> Islam we are false inheritors of the promise of Paradise and > >> infidels to be dealt with. > > > > According to most Muslims I've met, Christians and Jews are People Of > > The Book (i.e. the Old Testaments plus some texts about Jesus as a > > prophet), and worthy of respect. > > > >> At this point, I've unfortunately found no orthodox Muslim > >> who does not want to destroy both. That's an essential part > >> of the belief system. Book 4 of the Q'ran calls us "scum". > > > > Can you provide a quote for that? I have a really hard time believing > > it. > > > >> Right now the Taliban has a group of Christians in jail, > >> scheduled for beheading, because they practice their Christianity. > > > > But they're quite an extreme branch of Islam. Kind of like judging > > Christians by Jerry Fallwell, or Americans by the Ku Klux Klan. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Jim B. wrote: > I do hope you're right Mike. Is your prediction based on anything definite? > They don't appear to be jumping on the bandwagon too quickly. Coolpix 995 > and Dimage 7 make it harder for Pentax to make an early impression! > Regards > Jim Brooks > I never make predictions, and I never will. I think you just answered your own question! However, yes, my prediction is based on information I've been given. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
At 11:44 AM 17/09/01, you wrote: >I think most of us are comfortable with being backward-looking. > >I know I am. I appreciate and enjoy Pentax M42 screwmount equipment and >SMCP-M equipment particularly. > >But how many of us are willing to be FORWARD LOOKING as well? > >How willing are each of you to come along for the ride? I'm not asking if >you'll "switch over" to digital--I have yet to see it written that if you >use digital, you can't also use K2s, LXs, and MZ-Ss. But WHERE are you in >your understanding of the new ways of making pictures, and HOW DO YOU FEEL >about becoming forward-looking as well as backward-looking, and...will you >still BE LOYAL to Pentax when most new product introductions are digital??? Well I for one am really very interested. I've been into photography now for more than 40 years. The days when I developed and printed my own B&W stuff are long gone. Increasingly I am finding that my requirements are being met by digital in one way or another. I have no need to make huge enlargements or murals. It is a pain to set up my projector, screen, load magazines and arrange a slide show. The shelves in my study are loaded with full photo albums. Many never get looked at, except to go on nostalgia trips. It is s very convenient to load scans into my pc and sit back with a minimum of effort to watch hours of image viewing which is perfectly acceptable and pleasing to me and any friends who might be visiting. Nothing to clear up afterwards. No space to stack things. When I communicate with friends by Internet I send them a colour or B&W photo is less time than it takes to write all this. Naturally backups are made just in case but this should be standard procedure for anyone who uses a pc anyhow. My needs have obviously changed. So I see have the needs of newspaper photogs around the place. At the moment digital is still just a wee bit too quick in development although it is significant that there are certain models which appear to be having a extended life by digital standards. As far as I am concerned new camera gear is not on the map. My cupboard full of Pentax and Nikon stuff is more than I'll ever need. But didgital is where I think I must go. It is the logical development of my progress. Maybe not for many folks but for me, I think yes. But as for always being loyal to Pentax well, I don't know. My admiration for Pentax was and still is based on their old equipment, the Sla, SV, Spotmatic and such like and of course in later years on the K1000, the MX and the LX. I lost respect for Pentax with the MZ series which seems to me very flimsy and very unlike the things I just mentioned. Maybe that is one of the serious reasons I bought into Nikon. If they produce a digicam which works well, and I am NOT asking for a technological whiz-bang wonder but for a simple camera which will take fine digital pictures of moderate resolution which will be adequate for my needs, then I will certainly support them. If there are others who come before then well, who knows? Should I hand out and wait for what might never come? Conrad Samuels Kirstenhof SA - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Forget about this one.......????
Hi, I just read the new Chasseur DÍmages. They tested the pentax 1.8/31, the FA4/200 and the new 28-105. They find them to be okay, though all ( and especially the first two) to be expensive. This is becoming typical for Pentax, they write. They also test teleconverters, and their verdict on the Pentax-converters is pretty strong...the autofocus 1.7 converter they call hopelessly bad and "forget about this one", while they call the Pentax A 1.4 converter "of anecdotical interest only". Strange, especially with the 1.7 AF converter I have made photographs that were sharp and contrasty, and I was, in fact, quite pleased with it. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Shhhh...the new pentax......
Cotty wrote: > I wish you wouldn't post a subject line like that in capitals Mike. You > got my heart thumping! Sorry Cotty! --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Bob S. asked: > pro quality digital or entry level P&S cameras? > Pentax has the connections to sell the Wal-Mart & Best Buy > type of chains. What digital products do you mean? BOTH. Either. Pentax will soon have one of each, and the situation will improve from there. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG auto submission page not accessible?
The AutoPug is again operative. Sorry about the inconvenience. Jostein - Original Message - From: "Cotty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pentax List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 11:57 AM Subject: PUG auto submission page not accessible? > Hi, > > I tried accessing the PUG auto-submissions page but for some reason my > browser will not load it. Any one else having trouble? > > I was trying: > > http://oksne.net/autopug/PUGform.asp > > Cheers, > > Cotty > > ___ > Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Check out the UK Macintosh ads > www.macads.co.uk > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Shel wrote: > I like my cameras to be simple, > pleasing to my senses with a classic look and feel. I've yet to see a > digital camera that looks and feels like an LX, Spotmatic, or a Leica. But that's simply implementation. Most film cameras don't look and feel like an LX, a Spotmatic, or a Leica, either. And you probably haven't tried an Olympus E-10 (E-20 replacement now announced). For build quality, hand-feel, and ergonomics, that one doesn't give much away to anything. I've got an Optio 330 coming. The build quality is reported to be very high, despite its miniscule size. I'll report on it when I've tried it. In any event, it won't be long before Pentax has a very good note-taking, carry-all-the-time compact camera (did you know the Optio 330 has an alarm clock built in, because it's meant to be a "travel-all" camera for business people?), and an all-new, from-the-ground-up digital SLR that takes K mount lenses (the digital SLR won't be based on the MZ-S...it's the other way around; the MZ-S is based on the digital SLR. The film version just came out first, is all. I have no doubt that the R&D project that resulted in the MZ-S was undertaken for the sake of providing the company with its first digital SLR). So Pentax will soon have the "p/s" and the serious SLR digital markets covered. Future product introductions can be expected to start filling in the digital line from there. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Shel wrote: > In addition, there are now a wide variety of color > and B&W films, all with different characteristics. How does digital > deal with that? What id I want a grainy looking photograph, like TX > in Acufine, or something along the lines of Agfapan APX 25 in > Rodinal? How can digital provide those characteristics? But why SHOULD digital reproduce those characteristics? Its purpose isn't to MIMIC film photography. All media have their own characteristics. Although I certainly love b&w photography, I'm aware that its characteristics are aesthetically arbitrary. I've learned to love 'em, sure, but there's nothing _inherently_ beautiful or desirable about grain et al. > And then there's the final print. From what I've seen, unless one is > using something like an Iris printer, the stuff that comes of the > typical ink jet printer pales in comparison to a well-printed > photograph made in a chemical darkroom. While it may be good enough > for some people, thus far from what I've seen it just doesn't do it > for me. Here, you and I totally disagree. I've never worked in color because I generally dislike the aesthetic properties of color photographic media. Type C prints are typically plagued by what Bertram W. Miller called "arrastres," meaning contamination of one dye layer by another, producing impure colors; and I've never, ever cared for the typical "look" of slides, especially when people "underexpose" for "color saturation"--ugh, that airless world with its exaggerated shadows, from which no light can escape. The only traditional color media I've seen that have held much promise are masked matte Cibachromes and dye transfer, neither of which techniques I've ever mastered or stand much chance of mastering. Digital color is literally and figuratively the liberation of color. It's a wonderful medium IMO--the colors have all the color-purity advantages of ink on paper, the contrast range can be as wonderfully long and soft as you wish it to be, and the surface of the matte papers I find to be lovely (I've also never cared for the surfaces of glossy photographic papers, although I will say the glossy inkjet papers do a disconcertingly good job of mimicking that). As far as black-and-white is concerned, I've seen some _stunningly_ good prints made digitally. But I have to say I'm not very interested in b&w digital, simply because I have no problem with b&w traditional. I don't need b&w improved. I love it the way it is. Film and optical enlargements leave nothing to be desired, in my opinion. But color is an entirely different story, in my view. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Massive Attack Seems Likely WTC
-Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Namens Lasse Karlsson Verzonden: maandag 17 september 2001 5:30 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Re: Massive Attack Seems Likely I agree 100% with the words of Lasse. The USA is the most powerfull nation in the world, so it can affort to sit down a moment and think. Being the strongest, being able to hit any country in the world real hard, makes that you can affort not to rush into things that will cost too many lives of innocent people. And that will finally not really contribute to the final aim: making the world safer with minimum loss of freedom and "open society" The "cowboy talk" of president Bush gives me the impression that his level is not really higher than the "Jerry Springer type" American. I hope strongly that I see this wrong. Or that he has enough wise advicers (Powel?)around him to stop him. If it is really needed to satisfy the american people by throwing a few bombs here and there, let it be. But I hope we will not be sucked into an adventure that will be regretted by all of us, at the end. Starting a guarillia war in Afghanistan will end in a failure. Vietnam is not long ago, the young soldiers leaving america at the beginning of that war showed the same enthousiasme as the boys I see now on television.. Regards, Jos from Holland - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
A thought on the "new" Pentax
The trend in the past has been to concentrat on Medium Format as "professional", but to have one pro-featured 35mm body. I see that trend continuing. Here's what I predict: Because of dust problems with 35mm-format-factor digitals, Pentax will recommend a single lens stay attached to the coming 35mm-form-factor body: The 24-90. Also, the new, top-of-the-line AF on the MZ-S will migrate to the 645 AND the metering will migrate to the 67. In addition, we'll see at least one of the two replaced with a digial. Perhaps both. By late 2002 we're going to see more & larger sensors -- CCD & CMOS -- that will make pro work very simple. Also, don't be surprised to see an IBM Microdrive in the 10-gig-plus arena. Type 3 form-factor. Really useful. This year will be revolutionary. More than we can imagine. So, if you want a collectible, get your hands on some of those old Mustek, et. al., digital cameras. They're early units and, marketwise, foundational to the era. jmnsho, Collin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
"Matamoros, Cesar A." wrote: > (a lot of stuff annsan snipping so Mike Johnson won't have a cow...) > > > [Cesar writes >] I am so glad she did not decide to bury me :-) ann replies: I'll consider whether that will be necessary after seeing any pic he took of me. > [Cesar writes >] To be honest, I was so busy enjoying our walking that it > took me a minute to notice that I was in a K-mart. Talk about surprised! > Especially on the East Side. Also when Ann was taking a few shots of me and > then we were talking in front of one of these mnagnificent windows (and the > view is beautiful) I noticed the people looking me up and down trying to > figure out why my photo was taken. Loved it! > annsan replies - yeah, but I didn't like any of the shots I took there - the one of you was on the street before we reached Canal > > [Cesar writes >] As isolated as I am in Florida it was a treat to try ethnic > foods again. And Ann the bubble drink was fantastic. annsan for the deprived multitudes, bubble drinks are confections sold in a Hong Kong style Tea parlor - my favorite is one madew with green tea and taro and non-dairy creamer that has pearl tapioca in it. The place is near my house which is near NYU and the Asian students flock there in droves. I frequent the place so that everyone working there knows me. Cesar said > Ann was a wonderful friend to have with me that afternoon. I knew from here > and her site that she is into b&w and I was really interested in how we > would view our surroundings. I had b&w in the LX and color slide in the > MZ-S. Ann again... Thanks for the kind words - now those who have offered me shelter on my journey will be less apprehensive :) I shot only color, alas. should mention that the ones taken that day were all KOdak gold 100. The ones (for those of you who have ventured to the page ) that I took form my roof were all the pro fuji 800 the name of which escapes me. annsan http://users.rcn.com/annsan// - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Crossroads
The way I see it, Pentax is at a cross-roads- nope, strike that, I'm the one stranded there. One the one hand, development on the 35 mm Pentax SLR's seems to be gathering momentum, there are also rumblings on the Medium format list that Pentax is coming out with an improved version of the 645n and then there's the digital Pentax SLR looming (if something a couple of years away can loom, that is) Just 6 months ago, I was saving up for the MZ-S; now I see that my Z1-p is as good a camera, if not better, in a bulkier package. The 645n suddenly made a lot more sense- but I'll wait a while for those upgrading rumblings to die down. Or am I doing the wrong thing by moving into a different format and beginning afresh? I'm now concentrating on architectural and landscape photography and the more deliberate approach imposed by the MF does help. Of course, the digital SLR is waaay out of my budget so I'm safe there :-) Any suggestions/ comments? RK - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
Brendan wrote: > > --- Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > > > What's a mullet? > > > It's a bad tasting fish that everyone should be > fortunate they won't have to eat . Brendon, I _swear_ I posted my response to Aaron saying a fish was my guess before I read the above! annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
Aaron Reynolds wrote: > > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > What's a mullet? > > Aaron replied 'round here, a mullet is a bad haircut sported by '80s rockers and > hockey players of all eras: short on top, long in the back. Often > confused with "hockey hair", which is hair that is just long enough to > curl up out of the back and sides of your helmet. > annsan sez thanks - I was a bit lazy not looking it up in my dictionary. but it sounded more like some kind of large fish. I have just realized now that we have spoiled that word for some who play FIctionary :) annsan - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
"Matamoros, Cesar A." wrote: > > Tom, I got the slide I took of you back. What a mug ;-) I must remember to > cart it with me when we meet next. Uh oh. I probably have a crab leg pasted to the side of my face. > And I will not even bring up the photos > you took after we had our meal (and I am sure the Bass had nothing to do > with it ;-0) Actually they came out very nice. My cousin in NY liked them. Ugh. Slide film with like 2 second exposures braced against a trash can with a beer buzz. I'm sure they're fantastically sharp and well-exposed. I feel lucky I didn't drop the thing in the harbor... Oh well, we'll just call it 'Art'. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Let's Pray
Let's all pray that God will punish the bastard who killed thousinds of innocent people i NY on the 11. of september 2001. Let's all pray, that the USA has enough common sence NOT to start annother crusade (Vietnamwar) against muslims, communists, buhdists, hindues or whatever is different from their own beliefs (that money/dollars, should rule the world???), in which thousinds of innocent people will get killed! Let's all pray that the people in the USA will mind their own business and not interfere in other countries affairs. They may just want the same freedom that we enjoy - some places more than others - in the West! Let's all pray, that all countries will respect the right to freedom and independance of all people in the world - muslims, communists, buhdists, hindues, cristians, jews, pentaxloveres and all other of gods children etc. Thanks Jens - WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.dk - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Filter Factors
I sent this message over 24hrs ago but have yet to see it return from PDML, so I'll repost. My apologies to the list if it appears twice. __ Seems that you tested the filter factor from essentially neutral coloured samples. While a certain shade of grey (13% or 18% depending on equipment calibration and personal preference) is the result of an average scene integrated to a nominal average brightness, the result of a colour integration of an average scene is not grey. It is a murky brown as far as I recall from my colour lab days, over 20 years ago. Film spectral sensitivity and meter cell spectral response are also factors in the final result (correct compensation). If the film you use has extended red sensitivity then it would need less compensation than the filter manufacturer suggests for red and orange filters. This is why film data sometimes disagrees with the filter factors published by the filter makers. Meter cells can be colour biased and can run into trouble with strong colour shifts such as filtered light or very low wattage tungsten lights. Lastly, a scene can comprise a combination of illumination types, so that the position of the subject matter in the whole scene has to be considered. Daylight scenes have shadows that are mostly lit by the open sky, so on the clearest of days the shadows are bluest. I always found that the shadows of yellow filtered photos were too dark for my taste and called for the film to be under-rated and developed less. But these days I prefer green filters which I believe give the best balanced brightness of all colours although some caution is needed for portraits to avoid the bronzed tanned look (unless that's the desired effect, of course). Regards, Anthony Farr - Original Message - From: "Shel Belinkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Everything I've read recently, including the information sheet packed > with my new Pentax SMC filters (my thanks to those who helped me get > these great filters) suggests that the filter factor for a Medium > Yellow filter (Y2) is 2X, or 1 stop. So, while calibrating my gear > this morning I decided to check the needed exposure compensation using > two Pentax spotmeters, the digital Zone VI modified meter and the > standard, but calibrated, Spotmeter V. Both showed that the needed > exposure compensation would be about 1/3 stop more with the filter > than without. I metered off a white truck, the overcast sky, and a > building. Always 1/3 stop. Off some other colors there was a slight > difference in the readings between the Zone VI meter and the standard > meter, which is to be expected, but in no circumstance did either of > the meters indicate the need for an additional full stop with the Y2 > filter. > > I suspect this discrepancy may be due to the sky being overcast and > there being less blue light for the filter to absorb. > > However, using the meter on the LX, I'm shown a 1-stop compensation. > But the LX meter, and other built-in meters, don't show fractions of > exposure readings, even though the camera may actually make the > exposure between one and another shutter speed. Fr example, I've used > the LX to make a normal exposure, and then used exposure compensation > to increase or decrease the exposure by 1/3 stop. Sometimes there was > a change in the readout, other times not, depending, I assume, on how > close the difference in exposure was to the point where it would show. > So, it seems, using the meters built into the camera, while giving > accurate exposure, won't necessarily tell me what the compensation > was. > > Since I'm going to be some work with hand-held meters and manual > cameras, can we discuss this situation a bit. One thought that > crossed my mind was to make the exposure readings off a grey card, > which I'll try later when I'm outside and away from the computer. Any > thoughts on that idea. > -- > Shel Belinkoff > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Filter Factors
- Original Message - From: "Bob Rapp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reflectivity (not reflections) from the whitest white to the deepest black > (not deep shadows) covers a 5 stop range. That is to say in an evenly > illuminated scene of varied objects, the difference between the deepest > black and the whitest white is only 5 stops. > Where does this information come from? Sources please! Surely brushed aluminium (giving a diffuse ie. non-specular highlight) exceeds the reflectivity of black velvet by more than 5 stops, or 32:1. FWIW I have just compared the white side of a Kodak grey card to the grey side which was three stops darker, and then to my wife's black woollen shawl which was 8 stops darker than the white card under exactly the same light. Black velvet would be even darker but I'm not going to dig that out at 2am and risk the doghouse :) > One environment I did a lot of photography with Tri-X where speed and > negative quality was a must involved indoor basketball. The lighting was > 256:1 or 8 stops. So, if I nevertheless grant you a maximum 5 stop subject reflectance range, as you claim, and then factor that with this 8 stop lighting ratio, you would have a subject brightness range of 8,192:1, or 13 stops, providing the subject matter of varying reflectance is randomly distributed amongst the bright and shadowed areas. I will explain. Imagine two illumination sources at opposite ends of a space with NO reflecting surface on any side. One source emits 1 unit of light and the other emits 8 stops more, or 256 units of light. Imagine that mid-way between the two lights (suns, stars, lamps, whatever) are two spheres, one having perfect reflectance (unlikely but it makes the maths easier) and the other having 32 times less reflectance, ie. it is 5 stops darker. The two spheres are equidistant from both lights and do not cast any shadows on each other. SO - the more dimly lit side of the dark sphere gets 1 unit of light and reflects 1/32 of it, or 0.03125 units of brightness. AND - the brightly lit side of the bright sphere gets 256 units of light and reflects all of it, so has 256 units of brightness. THUS the subject brightness ratio in this instance is 256:0.03125 which is the same as 8,192:1. >It involved toe speed measurements of the film with > different developers and, once the developer was selected, the development > time and agitation method were determined to allow printing on #2 paper. In > this case, it was Acufine 1:1 for 3.5 minutes and 1 inversion every 30 > seconds. The result was a very easy to print negative such that I printed in > batch mode. The projections first and development / washing second. > > Bob With this degree of measurement and trialling of alternative developments I would have been surprised if you didn't get the result you sought. Nevertheless, you still appear to regard lighting ratio, subject reflectance and subject brightness range as interchangeable concepts, when in fact the first two are independent concepts that produce the third concept when they meet. But what has that to do with spotmetering versus incident metering? You never explained how you could measure the subject brightness range with an incident light meter. I say you can't, because at some point you need to measure the reflectance of objects in the field-of-view, and incident meters can only measure illumination which they convert to an exposure reading. Regards, Anthony Farr - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Wide angle zoom advice requested
Erik, I'm also looking to buy a wide angle lens. The two that I'm choosing from are the FA 20 2.8 and the FA 24 2.0 AL. But I'm open to any other choice, so I'll be interested in the answers you get from your inquiry. Ernest Erik Nordin wrote: >After having complemented my lens lineup with a telezoom, I am > >starting to >look at the wider end. Currently I have the FA 35/2 and the FA 28- > 70/4 >and >nothing wider. I would like to get down to at least 24 mm. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
> Jody wrote: > > > > > > You have a K-mart? I am so jealous. I have to drive > > 7hrs to get to my favourite department store, which is > > in danger of closing soon, due to immense competition > > from the cheap, junky Warehouse. A few years ago I visited Kotzebue, Alaska, North of the Arctic Circle on the Bering Sea. They refer to to the local garbage dump a "K-Mart," since that's where they look when the need somethin. Kotzebue is not accessible by road, the small port is closed for much of the year, and air freight is quite expensive. Dan -- Daniel J. Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stanley, Powers & Matyola mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite203, 1170 US Highway 22 East http://danmatyola.com Bridgewater, NJ 08807 (908)725-3322 fax: (908)707-0399 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Afghanistan thoughts
Nenad Djurdjevic wrote: >Suggested response: Finding, arresting and putting Bin Ladin on trial > >(using >ground forces if necessary). >What not to do: Carpet bomb Afghanistan. >Aside: When the IRA next bomb someone should the USA carpet bomb > >Ireland in >retaliation? Huh? I must have missed the news that Ireland was on the official list of States sponsoring terrorism. The analogy is absurd. Ernest _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: THE NEW PENTAX
A Major player? Maybe so, but competition to Nikon, Canon, Olympus, Fuji etcI don't think so! Have you heard of the new FUJI with Nikon mount - high resolution, low price! Pentax makes cameras for pro's allright: The 6x7 and the 645! BUt 35mm or digital? Don't you honestly still believe they'll get to be be a major player there? Regards jens > > Fra: Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Dato: 2001/09/17 Mon AM 11:44:31 CEST > Til: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Emne: THE NEW PENTAX > > I think most of us are comfortable with being backward-looking. > > I know I am. I appreciate and enjoy Pentax M42 screwmount equipment and > SMCP-M equipment particularly. > > But how many of us are willing to be FORWARD LOOKING as well? > > There is a good chance that by the end of 2002, Pentax will be headed > towards becoming a major player in the digital camera marketplace. There's a > good chance that its digital products will multiply rapidly. This will start > happening SOON, I'm guessing. > > Happening probably much more gradually, there is a good chance that > development of new film products will diminish to a trickle. > > Pentax is CHANGING. The next few years may well see a major reorientation of > the company's products. There will be what amounts to a NEW PENTAX. > > How willing are each of you to come along for the ride? I'm not asking if > you'll "switch over" to digital--I have yet to see it written that if you > use digital, you can't also use K2s, LXs, and MZ-Ss. But WHERE are you in > your understanding of the new ways of making pictures, and HOW DO YOU FEEL > about becoming forward-looking as well as backward-looking, and...will you > still BE LOYAL to Pentax when most new product introductions are digital??? > > --Mike > - > This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, > go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to > visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . > > - WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.dk - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
> -Original Message- > From: Ann Sanfedele [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:16 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine > > FOr 4 hours this afternoon I dined, laughed, photoed and > walked (and walked and walked > and walked) around Manhattan with another list member who > was here mainly to visit > his parent's and sister who live in Queens. - I speak of > Cesar, and I come to praise him. :) > [Cesar writes >] I am so glad she did not decide to bury me :-) > I brought him to my favorite little Polish restaurant on 1st > ave, a stones throw from > my apartment where he sampled pirogies, bigos and kilbasa... > > and the streets in my 'hood were alive again, > although cars and busses were > scarce. It seemed almost normal, except that everyone > seemed to be particularly friendly and sweet to each other. > [Cesar writes >] It was so nice to walk with a local to note the atmosphere and what if anything was different. I probably would have felt strange doing the walk myself. These are times that cries out for company and I cannot think of a better person to have spent the time with. > I took him to the K-Mart at Astor Place to show him the view > from the windows there. > Cesar lives in FLorida but, in fact, grew up in the Bronx > and so it wasn't quite > like being a tour guide to someone who didn't know my island > at all, but he certainly > didn't expect to get taken to a K-mart for a view! > [Cesar writes >] To be honest, I was so busy enjoying our walking that it took me a minute to notice that I was in a K-mart. Talk about surprised! Especially on the East Side. Also when Ann was taking a few shots of me and then we were talking in front of one of these mnagnificent windows (and the view is beautiful) I noticed the people looking me up and down trying to figure out why my photo was taken. Loved it! > At Canal street we heard news folk speak of Bush being on > the West side hwy - > we didnt wait. Cesar needed to be midtown to meet his > sister at 4.. > > [Cesar writes >] Ann, to let you know that I made it to 40 & 41 Sts. in 16 minutes. For those of you with siblings, it is better that you wait for your sister than having her wait for you. All she would have to do is mention having to wait on me to my father... well, you get the picture ;-) > where is a sugar daddy when you need one?? But I digress > [Cesar writes >] My question is - what is the female equivalent? > We both shot a few frames and pretty soon I'll post a couple > so you can see what > he looks like. > [Cesar writes >] Now she has me worried. I have not seen the pic. But do remember that it had been raining and I had been drenched earlier [Hey guys, relax - you never know when a female PDMLer might show interest :-)] > Cesar had treated me to lunch, so I bought pepper > biscuits at the bakery > to introduce him to another taste treat. > [Cesar writes >] As isolated as I am in Florida it was a treat to try ethnic foods again. And Ann the bubble drink was fantastic. Sorry we couldn't share the experience of that one together. Ann was a wonderful friend to have with me that afternoon. I knew from here and her site that she is into b&w and I was really interested in how we would view our surroundings. I had b&w in the LX and color slide in the MZ-S. I will have the slides at least developed here if not the b&w. Though I cannot post anything until I get back to Florida next month. It was interesting to note that the only time I seem to have my photo taken is usually by another photographer. Tom, I got the slide I took of you back. What a mug ;-) I must remember to cart it with me when we meet next. And I will not even bring up the photos you took after we had our meal (and I am sure the Bass had nothing to do with it ;-0) Actually they came out very nice. My cousin in NY liked them. Sorry for the ramble, just reminiscing on good times, Cesar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
--- Aaron Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > What's a mullet? > It's a bad tasting fish that everyone should be fortunate they won't have to eat . Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Tokina SL 400 mm f5.6
Doug wrote: > I have the "SD" version of this lens in PK-A mount, but I haven't tried > it yet. I'll be trying it out the first weekend of October, if there's > room in by bag. I've been using an SMC 400/5.6, so that will be > benchmark against which I'm judging the Tokina. TTYL, DougF Doug, when you get around to trying it, please post your results here. I am much interested how a semi-modern SD/LD/APO tele compares to an older much simpler tele design I think the SMC K 400/5.6 is according to Boz. "Resolution" wise and contrast-wise. I found some older non-SD teles to have good performance, but that was stopped down a bit (1-2 stops), and actually the lens was for 6x6cm format 4/300mm Pentacon (it's a damn best for the money lens for 6x6cm you can get, it doesn't cost like a car or house ). good light! Frantisek - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
I expect my recently-ordered (and should-be-arriving-any-day-now) MZ-S will be the last film camera I buy. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: September PUG from Cotty
> -Original Message- > From: Cotty [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 1:27 PM > To: Pentax List > Subject: September PUG from Cotty > > I finally got to sit down and go through the September PUG. Another > fascinating collection as usual! There wasn't one image that I didn't > spend at least a few moments on, others considerably more. Once again, > all were lovely pictures, but here's a list of the ones that caught my > eye for various reasons as gleaned from my scribbled notes: > > > Strolling With the 77 > Cesar Matamoros II > A nice treatment of a fairly cliched subject: powerlines. A gripping > picture with beautiful colour. > > [Cesar writes >] Cotty, thanks for commenting. I looked at the image in the context of the PUG and it looked lame. The slide has much more impact in terms of showing off the 77 and the colors. Yours is the first comment on it, I am glad that someone saw something in it. Like I stated, as I was walking around it just called my attention and asked to be photographed and many have commented on the slide. You have made my day! Cesar - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
Ann Sanfedele wrote: > What's a mullet? 'round here, a mullet is a bad haircut sported by '80s rockers and hockey players of all eras: short on top, long in the back. Often confused with "hockey hair", which is hair that is just long enough to curl up out of the back and sides of your helmet. Mullet: http://www.hotmullets.com/assorted3/businessman.jpg Hockey Hair: http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/1921/sakic6.jpg -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
> K-mart, btw, _is_ a cheap junky department store... but they > have good prices > on necessary paper products :) Actually, we New Yorkers used to be quite snobby about K-Mart, as we didn't have any in the five boroughs until a few years ago. :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: THE NEW PENTAX
> -Original Message- > From: Jeff [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 11:48 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: THE NEW PENTAX > > Mike, > > I'll be the first to say that I'm eagerly waiting to see what Pentax's > "pro" > digital line will offer. Being in Japan, I am surrounded by the digital > age > and it frustrates me to no end that I've got a great collection of lenses > but no digital body to go with it. > [Cesar writes >] Join the club. I would love to be able to take some good digital shots with my Pentax lenses. I started getting some Nikon lenses after a friend gave me an F3 and 28mm and 35mm lenses. The thought was looking at the digital SLR cameras. Though that was short-lived once I truly discovered the approximate 1.5 magnification factor of the smaller than 35mm negative imaging sensor. I don't even want to think about paying for a 17mm just to get a 35mm wide angle. What if I want to play around with a fish eye? We will not even talk about distortion... > Volume does *not* equal quality but it takes a great load off of the > photographer's mind if he doesn't worry about the cost of developing > and/or > printing which can be quite high here. Also, it's hard to beat the > satisfaction of shooting and being able to distribute instantly with those > you want to share with. Yes, prints are great, but when you have friends > strung out across the world, digital is definitely the way to go. > [Cesar writes >] That would be my main reason for getting a digital SLR. The instant gratification and being to document things that I really don't want to archive. But, it seems that though you may save your film and processing costs, there is the added time to be your own developer with a computer. I have talked to a few photo journalists and they are spending the same amount of time to get an image to the presses, but now instead of waiting for the developer they are spending the time color correcting and such. Not sure I want to go down that path. > Though I do use a Coolpix 880 for the time being, I wated with bated > breath > to see if the digital SLR does finally roll out in the shape and form > factor > of the MZ-S; if it does, it will be one of the most compact bodies and > easily understood interfaces that I've seen so far. > [Cesar writes >] I have been testing the digital world with a Coolpix 950. I got it basically because it lets me control the image in the camera. It is not just a point & shoot. But I have been frustrated by it not giving me enough control. When the 'MZ-D' comes out I will most definitely check it out, but at the stated price it will take some serious thinking to see if I want to commit that much money when I can spend it on more glass. > Cheers. > > Jeff > > [Cesar writes >] While back in NYC this weekend, I found myself carting the LX and MZ-S and never considered the digital. I knew the SLRs could take the rain. I did not want to consider what the digital would do. I also see myself archiving always on 35mm. Being in the technical field I still don't fully trust those nasty electrons. Cesar Panama City, Florida Back in Baltimore for the week - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > JOdy quips > > Gasp, you don't remember the MZ-S? I am shocked and > > stunned as a mullet. > > > ann writes on the virtual blackboard, MZ-S, MZ-S - > I can't afford one so why should I read about? > What's a mullet? She probably meant the fish, but over here it often refers to a type of haircut otherwise known as the "business on top, party out back". They're so popular they have their own directory on yahoo: http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Humor/Hair/Mullet/ tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Screen name change
In a message dated 9/17/2001 11:10:49 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > I know Ed Mathews. You sir, are no Ed Mathews. > > Maybe one of you should use a nickname. Since I've met Maryland Ed > Mathews, I would like to propose that he go by the moniker 'The Iron > Ed', since he swings a mean F100 and is a giant of a man. > > Well, anyay, he's real tall. Plus, 'Magnesium Ed' is a mouthful. > > S Very well. If you promise to read signatures carefully, I will sign as Ed Matthew. Notice - two t's; no s at the end. Can you deal with that? BTW, I have never aspired to be "Ed Mathews". If you were attempting to be humorous, I apologize for missing the innuendo. If you were serious, I cheerfully don't give a damn . Regards, Ed Matthew - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Mike Johnston wrote: > How willing are each of you to come along for the ride? I'm not asking if > you'll "switch over" to digital--I have yet to see it written that if you > use digital, you can't also use K2s, LXs, and MZ-Ss. But WHERE are you in > your understanding of the new ways of making pictures, and HOW DO YOU FEEL > about becoming forward-looking as well as backward-looking, and...will you > still BE LOYAL to Pentax when most new product introductions are digital??? I think that as long as the optics remain as idiocyncratically wonderful as they are now and have been in the past, I'll stick around. I can see myself picking up a 35mm-style body that fits my existing lenses for digital capture, but not at today's prices. I mean, I've got my own lab, and I've got some really nice gear for scanning, so the cost difference is sort of negligible. Right now, digital capture means limiting myself in terms of my final product, in the same way that 35mm limits the final product compared to 67, and 67 to 4x5. I've sold my 4x5 because new films are spectacular, and what I can get out of my 67 surpasses my needs, in terms of grain and sharpness. When the limitations of a digital 35mm-style body approach the limitations of 35mm film, I'll probably find my 35mm being used less and less (though I doubt that I'll sell my LX). But, brand loyalty...well, unless Pentax do something goofy like change their mount and ditch backwards compatibility, they've got me sewn up. I love these lenses. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: THE NEW PENTAX
>I'll be the first to say that I'm eagerly waiting to see what Pentax's "pro" >digital line will offer. Being in Japan, I am surrounded by the digital age >and it frustrates me to no end that I've got a great collection of lenses >but no digital body to go with it. All the same for me...except I'm in France. For now I've bought an ultra compact 2M pixels Canon S100 (Ixus) that I carry with me anytime...but I'd really like to be able to shoot digital in a studio as well as outdoor with my K-mount lenses. Jerome - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Visiting PDML'er - a little ray of sunshine
Jody wrote: > > > You have a K-mart? I am so jealous. I have to drive > 7hrs to get to my favourite department store, which is > in danger of closing soon, due to immense competition > from the cheap, junky Warehouse. > ANn replies: Jody, The K-Mart in my neighborhood was considered an insult when it opened- thank goodness the company respected the original architecture. The view from the windows and the structure of the windows on the second floor is the reason I took Cesar there. But I will confess, that having been used to going to them out on the road in the USA, I have lost my resentment and am grateful for the low prices. Right now I'd be very happy to be somewhere where you have to drive hours to get to a department store :) K-mart, btw, _is_ a cheap junky department store... but they have good prices on necessary paper products :) Jody quotes ann more > > > I was toting my trusty KX with a 50mm SMC 1.4 and my > > 100 smc > > f4 macro. Cesar > > had his LX and the - MS-50 (?) that one you have all be > > jawing about... and, gasp, the "77"! > JOdy quips > Gasp, you don't remember the MZ-S? I am shocked and > stunned as a mullet. > ann writes on the virtual blackboard, MZ-S, MZ-S - I can't afford one so why should I read about? What's a mullet? (snip snip) > more ann stuff > > and what a nice focal length. wahwahwah - I want one > > - where > > is a sugar daddy when you need one?? > Jody replied: > I think you have to be a famous supermodel to get a > crusty old sugar-daddy. ann wisecracks: Who said anything about crusty and old? JOdy continues - > And then you need a toy-boy > on the side when you can't stand to look at him. Or > so I have heard, anyway :) > Ann informs: Well someday I'll write my memoirs and give you the real story :) ann originally > > But I digress JOdy too > Yeah, same here. > ann snips more stuff and signs off - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Screen name change
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hereafter Edmptx will use the screen name ledmrvm. I apologize for cluttering > the message list, but have promised to avoid confusion with the other Eds on > the list. I know Ed Mathews. You sir, are no Ed Mathews. Maybe one of you should use a nickname. Since I've met Maryland Ed Mathews, I would like to propose that he go by the moniker 'The Iron Ed', since he swings a mean F100 and is a giant of a man. Well, anyay, he's real tall. Plus, 'Magnesium Ed' is a mouthful. Speaking of Nikon...the other day I took a tour of our machine room here at the U of MD. I was surprised to see the design changes that the IBM 390 mainframe has been through. Used to be, they were housed in big blue boxes (duh). Now they come in a stylish black box with a red stripe. In other words, they look like a big Nikon: http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/s390/pes/ Maybe there's some sort of weird product convergence heremaybe the Nikon D390 is right around the corner. It'll only be useful for studio photography, and you'll need raised flooring, an A/C upgrade, and a *serious* tripod. OTOH, you get 500GB images and a very manly 250 million frames per second. Batteries may be a problem. Pardon me, I was due for a ramble. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Where are we going ?
Antti-Pekka, you have wonderfully expressed what I'm thinking since a couple of days. Regards Martin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: THE NEW PENTAX
Mike, I'll be the first to say that I'm eagerly waiting to see what Pentax's "pro" digital line will offer. Being in Japan, I am surrounded by the digital age and it frustrates me to no end that I've got a great collection of lenses but no digital body to go with it. Volume does *not* equal quality but it takes a great load off of the photographer's mind if he doesn't worry about the cost of developing and/or printing which can be quite high here. Also, it's hard to beat the satisfaction of shooting and being able to distribute instantly with those you want to share with. Yes, prints are great, but when you have friends strung out across the world, digital is definitely the way to go. Though I do use a Coolpix 880 for the time being, I wated with bated breath to see if the digital SLR does finally roll out in the shape and form factor of the MZ-S; if it does, it will be one of the most compact bodies and easily understood interfaces that I've seen so far. Cheers. Jeff -- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 04:44:31 -0500 From: Mike Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: THE NEW PENTAX I think most of us are comfortable with being backward-looking. I know I am. I appreciate and enjoy Pentax M42 screwmount equipment and SMCP-M equipment particularly. But how many of us are willing to be FORWARD LOOKING as well? There is a good chance that by the end of 2002, Pentax will be headed towards becoming a major player in the digital camera marketplace. There's a good chance that its digital products will multiply rapidly. This will start happening SOON, I'm guessing. Happening probably much more gradually, there is a good chance that development of new film products will diminish to a trickle. Pentax is CHANGING. The next few years may well see a major reorientation of the company's products. There will be what amounts to a NEW PENTAX. How willing are each of you to come along for the ride? I'm not asking if you'll "switch over" to digital--I have yet to see it written that if you use digital, you can't also use K2s, LXs, and MZ-Ss. But WHERE are you in your understanding of the new ways of making pictures, and HOW DO YOU FEEL about becoming forward-looking as well as backward-looking, and...will you still BE LOYAL to Pentax when most new product introductions are digital??? - --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: OT: A question about filtering posts
Filtering posts won't have any effect on the rest of the list with any email software I'm aware of: It just auto-deletes the stuff after it hits your inbox. If you're looking for software I can heartily recommend Forte Agent. Very versatile filtering capabilities (which I've been making use of long before last Tuesday). -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Screen name change
Hereafter Edmptx will use the screen name ledmrvm. I apologize for cluttering the message list, but have promised to avoid confusion with the other Eds on the list. Best regards, Ed M. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: THE NEW PENTAX
Cotty wrote: > > If I had Canon glass, I'd already have a D30. I don't, I have Pentax and > other K mount glass, and cameras. As a result, I am waiting for the > full-frame CCD (or whatever) chip in a K mount body to arrive. I will > definitely buy one. It's juts a question of when. I'm with Cotty on this one, mostly. However, I need 2 things from digital that I don't think it quite has yet: low light sensitivity, and a good b+w output option. So far I've ony seen decent prints at EI 100, and the comments regarding b+w prints just from this list haven't been encouraging. When those two problems are solved, I'm in. tv - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Speaking of Digital Cameras ...
I have one! Sad to say I saw it at the candlelight vigil at Union Square. It was one of Sony's new line of digital cameras, I think the DSC-P1. It's adorable and is 3.34 megapixels. http://www.sonystyle.com/digitalimaging/P_Feature_P1.shtml Info on all Sony digital cams; the cuter ones are at the bottom of this page. http://www.sonystyle.com/digitalimaging/F_CS.shtml - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: THE NEW PENTAX
Great post Shel, I agree. For myself, there are two kinds of photography: documentation of an event for the photoalbum (be it webbased or in paper format), and the more pretentious, artistically inspired kind of photography. I could imagine to buy a digital camera for the first purpose, only for the convenience. Pentax or not Pentax, well, if there is anything to gain by using Pentax I will. A digital K-mount SLR for instance. The MZ-D (or whatever it is called) is out of the question though, it's much too expensive. Come to think of it, so are most digital cameras worth using anyway. For the other kind of photography, digital is no option. I would rather get a large format camera. Productivity and economy are not parameters, quality is. So are the emotional aspects of the craft that Shel so eloquently describe below. /Erik -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: den 17 september 2001 13:57 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: THE NEW PENTAX Hi ... At this point there's no reason for me to be using a digital camera - in fact, I pretty much hate the beasts. Many look like futuristic creatures from a '50s B-movie sci-fi film, others are very large and cumbersome, and many have lots of buttons and features, and all sorts of (literally) bells and whistles. I like my cameras to be simple, pleasing to my senses with a classic look and feel. I've yet to see a digital camera that looks and feels like an LX, Spotmatic, or a Leica. That said, if such a camera could be produced, I'd like it to have interchangeable prime lenses as well as manual focusing and some way to view DOF. Then there's the issue of B&W. I've not yet seen a digital camera that shoots true B&W images, although the ones I have seen allow the user to desaturate color. It's not the same thing from what I've been able to determine. In addition, there are now a wide variety of color and B&W films, all with different characteristics. How does digital deal with that? What id I want a grainy looking photograph, like TX in Acufine, or something along the lines of Agfapan APX 25 in Rodinal? How can digital provide those characteristics? And then there's the final print. From what I've seen, unless one is using something like an Iris printer, the stuff that comes of the typical ink jet printer pales in comparison to a well-printed photograph made in a chemical darkroom. While it may be good enough for some people, thus far from what I've seen it just doesn't do it for me. And the high quality prints from the big drum printers are nice, but let's face it, they are different than a well printed photo on fiber based paper. Every day that I use the LX, or the Leica, I am thankful that there are films such as Fuji's Acros, Bergger 200, Ilford's HP5+, and Tri-X, (which is now a thin, pale shadow of its former self), and, although I've not tried it yet, Fuji's Neopan 1600. I hope that other companies will come out with new, non-T-grain emulsions that offer the richness of these older style emulsions. While I am not averse to progress, it saddens me to see some of the old, and very useful, emulsions disappear or changed from what they once were. I was, for example, surprised at the number of people on this list that felt that a 100 speed film was an acceptable alternative to the recently discontinued APX 25. I miss Panatomic X as well (What a name for a film!). While progress is often a good thing, affording different choices, it sometimes comes at the expense of less popular items, and so often the number of choices are diminished. To me, digital means that there's a very good possibility that even more emulsions will disappear, although, hopefully, others will spring up and fill what will then be called a "niche market" and film may become a boutique item. I hope that will not be the case. To me, pixels have no character, and digital images all have a sameness about them. Hell, digital isn't even called photography by most people - it's imaging, and the results are images, not photographs. It's a damned shame that even conventional photographs are, more and more, being called images. If all that was available was digital imaging I might well take up a new hobby. As for being loyal to Pentax, probably not. If I decided to go the digital route I'd be looking for a camera that fit or matched as closely as possible the requirements and preferences noted above, unless, of course, I could use some of my favorite lenses on the pixilated wonder. But I'd not be happy. I'd miss the film advance, the snick of the shutter, the feel of metal and the sense of joy that comes with using a finely made lens. I'd miss, too, the time I spend with my cameras when I load the first roll of film of the day - where I open the back, blow out the dust, check the shutter and the film advance, and make sure the lens is clean and ready for another day on the street. I'd miss the true glass pentaprism, or the quirky
Re: OT- Group hug
> From: Peter Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: OT. The Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings Part 2. > > All right that was just offensive. You've joined the ranks of > Scooterman. Does that make you feel better. > Why don't you just go play with him until you get over it. -trim post--- > I don't know what your motivation is. I don't care. No one > else does either at this point. I'd like to > be able to forgive you for being a pig headed twit. Stop now and give us > all the chance. --- more trimming that should have been done before hitting the list-- == Scheesh. it's bad enough the list surrendered to the WTC (for good reason I may add) but WWII?COME ON GUYS BTW... the pig headed twit line starts-> HERE Bingo will start in 2 hours. Till then Square dancing will continue. There's those that want to be "sane"... within the guidelines of todays "wHaTeVeR" generational concept of acceptable behavior. There's those that want to dig a ditch from the Caspian Sea to the Persian Gulf & toss 70-80 million non-pork eaters into it. The two sides will NEVER AGREE, they NEVER have agreed. But somehow, folks think they can make converts to either side with a few words in an electronic medium. yaright. Pray for the dead, cheer & support those alive... & hope those in power don't start buying earth moving equipment. (Also, check your Y2k supplies & restock your ammo cache). Scheesh Scoot - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Where are we going ?
Thank you, Antti-Pekka. You should never fear expressing yourself in such a considerate way. Best Regards, Ed M. The quoted post is left uncut due to its admirable sentiment. In a message dated 9/17/2001 8:26:55 AM US Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Good everyone, > > I know I propably should not write this email to generate more > traffic on this list but I would like to point out a few things > for us all to consider (and because I am so stupid I still believe > that everyone here is a wonderful person). > > Unfortunately I have seen many things said in anger. It is the worst thing > to > continue doing on our beloved mailing list and we would not accoplish > anything > by starting a war on the list. I am quite sure that everyone here truly > cares of everyone else so please try to keep that in mind. And keep > in mind as well that a big part of the people on this list do not speak > English > as his/her native tongue so understandable it is hard to express him/herself > > so that everyone else fully understands what he/she is trying to say. > > And, if one allows and/or wants the discussion for example of the acts of > terror and > the consequences of it on this mailing list, they should also allow any > other > discussion that might arise around it (including history, politics etc) and > discuss > it in civilized manner or then just be silent. > > I am also very afraid of the comments like "unsubscribe yourself until the > discussions > have ceased". By doing that we will not have this list anymore in the very > near future. > Do those of us who want to return to the normal Pentax and photography > discussions > have to consider starting up a new list ? (It would be very very sad thing > to do) > > I wish we could somehow follow the golden rules of ham radio on this list as > well: > "Never talk politics and religion while in the air". > > (Hams also include commerce but I don't think that would be necessary here > unless someone tries to start selling elephants or alike) > > I am happy you are still reading (yes, you !) and would like to thank you > for that. > > I am pretty scared to push that "send" button right now. I have never been > afraid to send something on this list before! > > All I can do now is wish for a better tomorrow for us all and close my eyes > while I press > the button of my mouse, > Antti-Pekka > --- > * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Speaking of Digital Cameras ...
... perhaps one of our Japanese friends can provide a rough translation of this: http://www.matsushita.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn010917-1/jn010917-1.html Here's a pic of one of the cameras. It looks like a rangefinder, perhaps with a zoom lens: http://www.matsushita.co.jp/corp/news/official.data/data.dir/jn010917-1/jn010917-1-1.jpg -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: Light & film for Band of Brothers
I haven't seen it yet. Who's the director of photography? There are some DOP websites, and they all seem more than willing to share the endless minutae of how they did anything. I have a wonderful old LaserDisc of Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where Conrad Hall speaks on a commentary track about his approach to shooting the film. To watch the photography after hearing his comments is a revelation, particularly when he talks about obscuring the image and letting the viewer's imagination fill in the blanks. As to digital post, Roger Deakins did all his colour correction and adjustment for O Brother Where Art Thou in the digital editing phase, and also softened the film slightly, so I wouldn't be shocked if that were happening with Band of Brothers, especially since Band of Brothers probably hasn't been outputted back to film for projection. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Look at this auction!
Shel Belinkoff wrote: > While it's not commonly known, I do have and use an inexpensive > digital camera. THE END IS NIGH! Or however you spell that. -Aaron ;) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
