Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Ok, but the Optio 430 doesn't have an uncompressed mode either. chris On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Juan, Chris ... We were looking at an Optio 430, not a 330. Chris Brogden wrote: Juan wrote: The print had the resolution handwritten in the back--it was the max resolution the 330 allows. I asked the salesman if it was an uncompressed file, and he said yes. Yet, the artifacts we were seeing might well have been compression artifacts, since they did seem too big for a 3+ megapixel file. Guess what? The 330 doesn't have an uncompressed or .tiff setting... every single shot it takes is compressed in a .jpg format. If the salesman answered your question without even knowing the correct answer, then I'd at least question the accuracy of his other information. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: Voigtlander 125mm f/2.5 Macro Apo Lanthar
For the MF traditionalists: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (snip) = MORE NEWS... = 125mm lens from Voigtlander Voigtlander is introducing a 125mm lens to its SL range, designed specifically for manual SLR bodies. The German manufacturer says the new addition forms part of a 'back-to-basics' strategy, aiming to provide high quality lenses for users of older camera models. The 125mm f/2.5 Macro Apo Lanthar lens is constructed from a solid all-metal barrel and mount construction, featuring Apochromatic Lanthar glass elements and a chrome-finish knurled focusing ring. Complete with a metal square lens hood with bayonet fit, the device has a macro ratio of 1:1. Arriving later this month, the lens will be available in a Nikon AI-S mount, with further fittings to follow, including: Canon FD, Olympus OM, Pentax PK-A/R, Yashica CY-MM, Praktica M-42, Minolta MD, Canon EF and Minolta MA (the last two functional in manual settings only). (Read more in this week's printed issue of BJP) (snip) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Hi, if you ever get the chance you should go to one of the Eyestorm galleries (www.eyestorm.com). They have prints by the Magnum photographers, ex-Magnum photographers such as Salgado, and other great-but-not-Magnum photographers. These prints include pigment, inket, silver etc. versions, which you can see side-by-side in good viewing conditions. The digital prints are every bit as good as the silver prints. This includes colour prints. For instance, a poster-sized digital print of McCurry's 'Afghan Girl' is quite breathtaking. I've just had a couple of prints in an exhibition. They are bw digital prints from Scala slides, printed on 60x80cm paper. When we were hanging the exhibition one of the other photographers, who is a good printer, looked at my photos and said 'You won't be seeing much like that for longer'. I asked what he meant. He said 'Well digital's taking over. You'll never see good quality silver prints like that again'. I told him they were digital and he shuffled off looking very glum indeed. The digital prints are all cheaper than equivalent chemical prints. although it costs more to gear up for digital printing than it does for chemical printing, the digital stuff is hugely more convenient and in many cases has multiple uses, including non-photographic uses. I've seen hundreds of exhibitions by world-class photographers in world-class venues of both digital and chemical prints. I'm convinced that digital output is now as good as chemical printing, and in my opinion more people can produce exhibition-quality photographs more easily using digital output than ever could using chemical means. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, November 12, 2001, 1:21:09 AM, you wrote: [...] My experience, every time someone has showed me their digital print from an inkjet printer saying it is as good as a photographic print is to think, obviously you have never seen a good color print. All this is not to say digital is no good. But it is not up to the best 35mm work yet. [...] I am not a Luddite. There is digital stuff as good as film, but it is not in the consumer price range yet. Kodak says it's 6mp cameras are good enough for a double spread magazine spread with a 150 line halftone screen. I don't know about you but to me that is not photographic quality. If you can not tell the difference between your photographic print and a magazine image, you need to go find a better lab. [...] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Nostalgia
You don't fool me Bill. You are just trying to get a bunch of cameras together in the hopes you can trade them for a second MZ-S. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Bill Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 10:28 PM Subject: Re: Nostalgia Well, I got the Oly http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1293722119 Now if I can just find a reasonable Lynx 14. I carried a Yashica Lynx 14 all over Europe in 1967 and really enjoyed it. I usually shot Agfachrome 64 rated at 100 and the slides are still in great shape after nearly 35 years. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Frank Theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Nostalgia Hi, Bill, I don't know about the Olympus, but I've been looking for a Yashica Lynx 14 as well, and you're right, they aren't that cheap. As I've mentioned here before, I got an Electro 35 on eBay a few months ago, and as much as I like it, I don't like the fact that it's aperture priority, with no manual over-ride. I'd love the Lynx 14, for the fast lens, and full manual operation, but they ain't cheap; hard to find one for much less than $100US. Oh well... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Rebuilding the computer. Chapter II
Glad to see the build went well :) My grandparents live in Aldridge - does that count? Cheers P. I have to thank you guys for all the good advice over the past few days. This computer that I bought now has exactly 2 original components in it, the case and the motherboard. I may have a few issues with it as well. I ended up with a 19 Samsung flat screem monitor, and a dual output video card. This is a cool little piece, it will support the monitor up to an ungodly high resolution at 60hz, and will support it at 1200x1600 at 32 bit colour at 85hz. The second monitor can be run as an extension of the first, at a different resolution and refresh rate, so I can run my toolbars on a 600x800 screen, get a decent refresh rate and still have enough system resources to run the big monitor at a good resolution and refresh rate. Of course, I could have built the damned thing from scratch for less than I have paid for the used rig, but this is the price one pays for being a nice person. Any of our British subscribers in or near Walsall? William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: CD-RW Question
Humm? I paid $139 for a new MB with a 900mhz Athlon Thunderbird on it at one of the local computer shows. I admit it would have cost another $50 with a 1.0ghz processor, but that leaves the question; why would he want to pay $250 for one? Now maybe with an onboard raid controller and a 1.2ghz processor. BTW the 900mhz T-Bird is faster than that 1.0ghz P-III. The preformance increace would not be worth upgrading from 667 to 1000. I find that you need to double your processor speed to make an upgrade worthwhile. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:14 AM Subject: Re: OT: CD-RW Question In a message dated 11/11/01 8:45:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So far, I have replaced ~everything~ other than the box and motherboard. Here's a thought, Bill. A new MOBO, the FR33-Socket 370 w/1GIG Plll processor for $250. You might want to stuff a 7200rpm, 20 GIG HDD in it for another $99. Then stuff the case full of your old OS(s) and go from there. If you don't need the HHD or more RAM*r*, you're into a 1GIG machine for well under $300 (US). *r*The FR33 takes 1.1GIG of DIMM RAM. Suda Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Well Frank, you are going to have to explain your comment below. Now we are not talking about someone like Fuji who are giving interpolated values. I guess my reference digital camera would be the Kodak DCS*60 series. Now are you telling me they don't give an actual 18 megabyte image? Of course the current generation of film scanners are more than 24 bit. Even my cheap flatbed is 48 bit. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] And, to top it all off, you've just (apparently) fallen victim to exactly the sort of flim-flammery the camera manufacturers want you to fall victim to. An xMP image from a digital camera is (generally) _not_ equal to an xMP image from a scanner. The scanner actually captures 24 or more bits of color data for each of those individual pixels. A digital camera usually only captures one color's worth of data for each pixel and interpolates the rest from its surroundings. So, the end result is not even as good as comparing an xMP full color digital camera image to an xMP scanned image. The flip side of the coin is that a digital image is first generation, where a scanned film image is second generation. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera + Microdrives ?
If they don't have an uncompressed tiff mode they don't need no stinking micro-drive, they are junk by definition. If they have an uncompressed tiff mode they still don' need not stinking micro-drive, they need a pcmcia type III drive. Graywolf said, hiding his Coolpix 100 behind his back. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:28 AM Subject: Pentax Optio Digital Camera + Microdrives ? I wonder, when are they going to make these Pentax digital cameras compatible with the IBM microdrive ? I don't see myself buying any of these until there is enough storage available for a reasonable price (=microdrive). I've been looking at that Canon G2, shame on me! Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Sure, sure, I agree. Digital prints from drum scanned 10,000 dpi images printed on a $10- 20,000 printer are fantastic. I say again I have never seen a digital print made on a consumer grade printer that is as good as a good photographic print of the same size. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 3:47 AM Subject: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH Hi, if you ever get the chance you should go to one of the Eyestorm galleries (www.eyestorm.com). They have prints by the Magnum photographers, ex-Magnum photographers such as Salgado, and other great-but-not-Magnum photographers. These prints include pigment, inket, silver etc. versions, which you can see side-by-side in good viewing conditions. The digital prints are every bit as good as the silver prints. This includes colour prints. For instance, a poster-sized digital print of McCurry's 'Afghan Girl' is quite breathtaking. I've just had a couple of prints in an exhibition. They are bw digital prints from Scala slides, printed on 60x80cm paper. When we were hanging the exhibition one of the other photographers, who is a good printer, looked at my photos and said 'You won't be seeing much like that for longer'. I asked what he meant. He said 'Well digital's taking over. You'll never see good quality silver prints like that again'. I told him they were digital and he shuffled off looking very glum indeed. The digital prints are all cheaper than equivalent chemical prints. although it costs more to gear up for digital printing than it does for chemical printing, the digital stuff is hugely more convenient and in many cases has multiple uses, including non-photographic uses. I've seen hundreds of exhibitions by world-class photographers in world-class venues of both digital and chemical prints. I'm convinced that digital output is now as good as chemical printing, and in my opinion more people can produce exhibition-quality photographs more easily using digital output than ever could using chemical means. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, November 12, 2001, 1:21:09 AM, you wrote: [...] My experience, every time someone has showed me their digital print from an inkjet printer saying it is as good as a photographic print is to think, obviously you have never seen a good color print. All this is not to say digital is no good. But it is not up to the best 35mm work yet. [...] I am not a Luddite. There is digital stuff as good as film, but it is not in the consumer price range yet. Kodak says it's 6mp cameras are good enough for a double spread magazine spread with a 150 line halftone screen. I don't know about you but to me that is not photographic quality. If you can not tell the difference between your photographic print and a magazine image, you need to go find a better lab. [...] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Ok Shel -
Shel,
Knowing that simplicity is your game - if not you name and Leica reigns
supreme. Here is a must buy for you. One medium format camera that
delivers the legendry mystique of leica in a larger format!
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1296180628
Bob {8-)
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Re[4]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Hi, I have personally printed, on my own Epson Stylus Photo 700, A4-sized prints from Kodachrome 64 scanned onto Kodak Photo CD which are better, in my opinion, than R-type supposedly exhibition quality prints of the same slides produced by one of the leading professional labs in London. My prints, using consumer-grade equipment (but professional grade inks and paper) were cheaper, easier to make (for me) and better quality. It's exactly this that has convinced me to give up entirely on chemical output, to get a film scanner, upgrade my PC and buy 2 A3 printers. I've seen a lot of photographs and I know what exhibition-quality means. Perhaps you've just been unlucky not to have seen a good digital print from consumer grade equipment, but they do exist. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, November 12, 2001, 10:21:18 AM, you wrote: Sure, sure, I agree. Digital prints from drum scanned 10,000 dpi images printed on a $10- 20,000 printer are fantastic. I say again I have never seen a digital print made on a consumer grade printer that is as good as a good photographic print of the same size. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
At 05:21 12.11.2001 -0500, you wrote: Sure, sure, I agree. Digital prints from drum scanned 10,000 dpi images printed on a $10- 20,000 printer are fantastic. I say again I have never seen a digital print made on a consumer grade printer that is as good as a good photographic print of the same size. I have to disagree. I use the Epson 2000P and the prints (on a good paper) are equal or better than the photographic prints of the same size. The thing is my originals are 4x5 slides, scanned with a quality scanner :-) Printouts with the same printer from a (current technology) digital camera file would not be very nice. I get print stability (100 years or more) as a bonus. Also, the color management is a lot easier with the computer darkroom. Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Odp: OT:free sites to post pictures??
- Original Message - From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT:free sites to post pictures?? I use Photo.net - there methodology is good and they have lots of information on the site as well. I use them too... They're pretty cool, although their pages may load slowly... Artur - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Used Pentax gear in Oz
Just for the record, I called by Ted's camera store in Brisbane on my way home today and noted some prices. These are Australian dollars, so dividing by 2 will give a rough US equivalent: K mount: M 200/F4 $195 (I looked at this one a week or so ago. Looks good.) Super Paragon 35-70 $89 Prinzflex 28/f2.8 $150 Set of three extension tubes $120 M42 mount: Takumar 135/f3.5 $100 Vivitar 135/f2.8 $80 Takumar 35/f3.5 $89 and $99 (One looke slightly longer than the other. Maybe there were different models(?) I was only looking in the window.) Takumar 200/f3.5 $150 Takumar 55/f2 $45 Takumar 55/f1.8 $50 I picked up a K-Mount SMC 35/f3.5 for $80 a couple of months ago. I thought that was a fair price for a fairly well rated lens in excellent condition. (A better price than they are now asking for the non-SMC versions!) I also picked up a Tamron 300/f5.6 in M42 for $150 (BBAR coating etc). It was in excellent condition too. I thought it was a reasonable buy, but everyone probably thinks that about their first 300 mm lens :-) I have found it to be sharp enough. Peter Jesser Brisbane, Australia _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[4]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
OK, Bob, send me a print, just a 4x6. If it is as good as a good minilab print (I admit a good inkjet is better than a poor minilab print) I will admit it right here in front of the world. If it isn't I will say that too. Everybody says, you haven't seen my digital prints. I am tired of that, none I have seen are that good. Anybody can say they are, but the soup is in the tasting. Challenge applies to anybody else that thinks their inkjet is photographic quality as well. By the way if you can see the halftone dots, don't bother to waste the postage. Address is: Tom Rittenhouse 4018 Hiddenbrook Dr Charlotte, NC 28205 USA --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Bob Walkden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:49 AM Subject: Re[4]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH Hi, I have personally printed, on my own Epson Stylus Photo 700, A4-sized prints from Kodachrome 64 scanned onto Kodak Photo CD which are better, in my opinion, than R-type supposedly exhibition quality prints of the same slides produced by one of the leading professional labs in London. My prints, using consumer-grade equipment (but professional grade inks and paper) were cheaper, easier to make (for me) and better quality. It's exactly this that has convinced me to give up entirely on chemical output, to get a film scanner, upgrade my PC and buy 2 A3 printers. I've seen a lot of photographs and I know what exhibition-quality means. Perhaps you've just been unlucky not to have seen a good digital print from consumer grade equipment, but they do exist. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Monday, November 12, 2001, 10:21:18 AM, you wrote: Sure, sure, I agree. Digital prints from drum scanned 10,000 dpi images printed on a $10- 20,000 printer are fantastic. I say again I have never seen a digital print made on a consumer grade printer that is as good as a good photographic print of the same size. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
See my challenge to Bob Walkden. Go ahead prove your statement. While you are at it send me one of those 75 year old prints too. A couple of years ago Epson said their prints were stable for 75 years. The reds turned orange in 6 months. Admittedly they are better now, but you can't prove one has lasted more than a couple of years because the current dyes have only been used that long. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Antti-Pekka Virjonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 4:52 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH At 05:21 12.11.2001 -0500, you wrote: Sure, sure, I agree. Digital prints from drum scanned 10,000 dpi images printed on a $10- 20,000 printer are fantastic. I say again I have never seen a digital print made on a consumer grade printer that is as good as a good photographic print of the same size. I have to disagree. I use the Epson 2000P and the prints (on a good paper) are equal or better than the photographic prints of the same size. The thing is my originals are 4x5 slides, scanned with a quality scanner :-) Printouts with the same printer from a (current technology) digital camera file would not be very nice. I get print stability (100 years or more) as a bonus. Also, the color management is a lot easier with the computer darkroom. Antti-Pekka --- * Antti-Pekka Virjonen * Fiskarsinkatu 7 D * GSM: +358 400 789753 * * Computec Oy Turku* FIN-20750 Turku Finland * Fax: +358 2 413 * - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Hi, Bob Walkden wrote: I have personally printed, on my own Epson Stylus Photo 700, A4-sized prints from Kodachrome 64 scanned onto Kodak Photo CD which are better, in my opinion, than R-type supposedly exhibition quality prints of the same slides produced by one of the leading professional labs in London. My prints, using consumer-grade equipment (but professional grade inks and paper) were cheaper, easier to make (for me) and better quality. It's exactly this that has convinced me to give up entirely on chemical output, to get a film scanner, upgrade my PC and buy 2 A3 printers. Another, real, bonus (even [especially?]for snapshots) is that, once you have the setup on a shot that you desire, you can churn out copy after copy with a single press of a button. In a darkroom, if a print takes twenty minutes to make, so does every one after that. mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
Aaron Reynolds wrote: Ha ha! I'd probably be running Linux if I didn't need all the stinking MS Office applications to be compatible with the rest of the world. Photoshop is the other app I use primarily. Of course that's readily available for the Mac. So's MS Office. :) Now you have no excuse! Mac enablement, my other specialty! welcome to the club, Aaron. Pentax and Mac, what a beautiful combination. Think different. ;-) Peter - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
That makes two of us. On Monday 12 November 2001 00:52, Doug Franklin wrote: On Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:15:33 +1300, David A. Mann wrote: I'm configuring a new installation on a 6Gb disk for that machine at the moment because I haven't kept the old installation up to date (and the drive that holds my root partition has given a few errors). I love Mandrake! :-) TTYL, DougF -- Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #24980801 Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: RE: I hate my sister
JFTR I don't really hate her,just would like the camera if you know what i mean. Dave Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Nostalgia
Thanks Frank As well as I remember, I paid about the same amount just for the manual adapter I had on my original OM-10. Now that I'm better educated about cameras, I'm interested to really give the OTF metering a good workout. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Frank Theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:28 AM Subject: Re: Nostalgia Nice score! Bill Owens wrote: Well, I got the Oly http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1293722119 Now if I can just find a reasonable Lynx 14. I carried a Yashica Lynx 14 all over Europe in 1967 and really enjoyed it. I usually shot Agfachrome 64 rated at 100 and the slides are still in great shape after nearly 35 years. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
On Mon, 12 Nov 2001 23:46:05 +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: On 12 Nov 2001, at 5:06, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: me they don't give an actual 18 megabyte image? Of course the current generation of film scanners are more than 24 bit. Even my cheap flatbed is 48 bit. [...] If the sensor is 2000 x 3000 pixels then the the split is 3MP green, 1.5MP red and 1.5MP blue. [...] Hi Tom, Rob explained my comment quite well. I was talking specifically about the fact that scanners scan every color at every pixel while every under $20K digital camera I've heard of scans only one color at each pixel and interpolates the other colors at that pixel. I guess if you go up in price high enough you'll find one that does all three colors at each pixel, but it would be a big son of a gun to get three CCDs and a color splitter into it. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Corporate Arrogance
Just checked, and the answer is no. Unbelievable! IMO Pentax is far too reliant on brand loyalty! Regards Jim Brooks Jim Brooks wrote: Is the FA24-90 on our website yet? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Breaking News
According to CNN, an American Airlines 767 has just crashed in Queens, New York. Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Cannon 2400UF Scanner
Bob Rapp wrote: Has anyone had experience or seen any comments about Cannon's 2400UF scanner. Is said to scan anything up to 4X5 negatives. I have though about using a scanner to proof my BW negatives. Also, has anyone used a scanner as a transmission densitometer? I can't comment on anything except your idea of using the scanner to proof BW negatives, which is what I do. It has some disadvantages over a contact sheet (you can't judge the exposure of one negative as compared to another very well) but I find they're far outweighed by the advantages. By scanning my negatives I can judge which ones are worth printing and by working with the contrast and brightness settings in photoshop I can work out a great deal of what needs to be done in the darkroom. I find it has *drastically* cut down the amount of time I need to spend in the darkroom to get a good print (and since I pay by the hour for darkroom time, this is a real money saver). -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
I don't know what uncompressed mode is, but the 420 does have a .TIFF format - at least that's what I recall. Chris Brogden wrote: Ok, but the Optio 430 doesn't have an uncompressed mode either. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
You won't know that for many years to come. Just because some marketing maven says it's so doesn't make it so. It may, or may not, be true. Antti-Pekka Virjonen wrote: I get print stability (100 years or more) as a bonus. Also, the color management is a lot easier with the computer darkroom. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Corporate Arrogance
Well, the US seller is generally responsible for selling a product that works properly (except for used - as is stuff and certain perishables and the like). Mike did get his money back. I like your UK idea of having your retailer take up the problem with the manufacturer though... Regards, Bob... Let us contemplate our forefathers, and posterity, and resolve to maintain the rights bequeathed to us from the former, for the sake of the latter. The necessity of the times, more than ever, calls for our utmost circumspection, deliberation, fortitude, and perseverance. Let us remember that 'if we suffer tamely a lawless attack upon our liberty, we encourage it, and involve others in our doom.' It is a very serious consideration that millions yet unborn may be the miserable sharers of the event. - Samuel Adams, 1771 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mike wrote: Then I'm not even supposed to be talking to you, Sir. But I bought a printer from you _yesterday_. Isn't it under normal warrantee? What does an extended warrantee have to do with that? I know, but your normal warrantee is provided by Epson. You'll have to get in touch with them. Mike - UK contract law makes it clear that when you purchase something your contract is with the person that sold it to you. If there's a problem with the product then the seller has to take that up with the manufacturer. It would be illegal in the UK for a seller to refuse to handle a claim under a normal warranty. I am amazed this is not the case in the US too. Mike also wrote: -- Unfortunately, the C80 was just out, and the idiots at Epson DIDN'T EVEN HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IT UP ON THEIR WEBSITE yet. I kid you not--a product in the stores and not a word about it on the website. So, no mention of the C80 on the pulldown menu. Er... how long was the MZ-S out for before the UK website referred to it? Is the FA24-90 on our website yet? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Second Body
William: Thank you GREATLY for the comparison. Lots of points to consider. I have a couple of further questions if you don't mind too much: 1. How has the non-metal lens ZX-M mount fared? I currently have a SMC-A 28/2.8 and SMC-A 50/2.8 Macro (ignoring my F and FA lens). I looking at a SMC-A 135/2.8 now and thinking of adding a SMC-A 70-210/4. How do the heavier lens work? I'm really leaning towards using the second body only with primes as the rest of the family also uses the ZX-5n. 2. This may be a stupid question, but does the ZX-M require a circular polarizer like the ZX-5n? 3. You mentioned that the ZX-M's viewfinder in bright light. Is it as bad as the ZX-5n? 4. I never had my old SP CLA'ed. I've read about issues with the LX, etc. Is there anything to be wary of if I decide to go the SP route when looking for a SP body? Thanks much!!! Ed in Illinois On 09 Nov 2001 10:56:47 -0700, William Johnson wrote: Hi, I have a couple of Super Programs and and have (well, now its my 10yr old daughter's) a ZX-M. I also have a ZX-5n like you. Here's my thoughts comparing the ZX-M and Super Program. The ZX-M fits nicely with the ZX-5n because they have basically the same interface, and use the same accessories, such as cable release and battery pack. AF lenses will give you aperture readout in the finder in Aperture Priority. The exposure comp dial turns the same direction for over/under as the '5n, while the Super Program's turns opposite; I've been burned by that a couple of times. The ZX-M's finder is smaller and dimmer, but the split image rangefinder works well with lenses as slow as f/5.6, perhaps a consideration if you use slow zooms, screwmount lenses with an adapter, etc. Also, the lighted viewfinder display is nice in lower light, and a welcome improvement over the fiddly hard to push illumination button on the Super Program. Also, if you are shooting in manual, the readout in the ZX-M will show you when you are within 1/2 stop of correct exposure, vs. 1 stop with the Super Program. You also get electronic dof preview with the ZX-M, which is cool. The ZX-M is pretty much all plastic, but I found it to be pretty tough little beast, surviving several drops and falls, rain, snow, etc. Despite all this, my 10 year old now has the ZX-M, and I have 2 Super Programs. FWIW, the Super Programs were purchased after the ZX-M. The real joy of the Super Program is the viewfinder, especially used with reasonably fast lenses. The finder is larger, brighter, and contrastier than the finder on the ZX-M. Also, I prefer the finder display in moderate to bright light, where the ZX-M's tends to wash out. Hope this helps. William in Utah. _ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Breaking News
According to CNN, an American Airlines 767 has just crashed in Queens, New York. It was flight 587, left JFK for the Dominican Republic, crashed after 2 minutes in the air, it was actually an Airbus 8300, large plane. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
In a message dated 11/12/01 3:46:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The digital prints are all cheaper than equivalent chemical prints. although it costs more to gear up for digital printing than it does for chemical printing, the digital stuff is hugely more convenient and in many cases has multiple uses, including non-photographic uses. But...but; your statement leans heavily on the ~commercial~ side of digital imaging to make what is an invidious comparison. Even there, the only real advantage digital may have, disappears once medium or small format chemical negatives/slides are scanned into digital files. At that point, pure digital images still take hindmost to the film to digital files which contain literally a world's more information than that of any 1 or 3-pass medium format digital back. At that point, film to digital is lord and master compared to digital-only files. Your statement also does not address the needs of Joe Six-pack and his homebound cameras-computers-printers. As it stands, your true multi-Megapixel digital to digital output workstation is beyond the means ~or needs~ of Joe. It is also patently unfair to change the substance of the argument to fit your proposal. Surely you're not comparing a small format digital workstation at $15,000 to $25,000, to the facilities needed to process medium format digital? **Especially when a single-pass medium format back costs $25,000 and up? Just the lighting for medium format studio digital can cost $75,000 or more. The processes you used to produce your silver print are beyond the capabilities of Joe's table-top, small format digital processing. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
LX condition (was - Love at the first sight?)
Doug, Your categorizing of your LX as BGN or UG made me think of my original LX's condition. Having bought KEH BGN, I know mine is most definitely described cosmetically as UG. With dings and brassing and shiny spots. My other two are in much better shape with the one from I got from Shel being in the best. As a matter of fact it is the one that now carries the new FA-2 finder I got recently. It looks sweet without the hotshoe. So, who has the roughest looking LX? Some of the details of mine can be found on my LX tribute page at http://cesar_abdul.homestead.com/LX.html The page also offers my latest one (from Shel) so you can see that I do have that looks 'nice', though I love the look of my original one. César Matamoros II Panama City, Florida -Original Message- From: Doug Franklin [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 11:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Love at the first sight? On Sun, 11 Nov 2001 13:13:11 +0100, Maciej Marchlewski wrote: Not to make it too long - I just wanted to share with you with a joy of photographing and handling an LX. I understand now, why LX is so loved. There's something about the LX that goes beyond its excellence as a camera. Some other mechanical objects have that same magic in them. Even though my LX is pretty beat up (probably BGN or UG in KEH ratings) it still just karmically oozes ... something. TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Don't diss the Diana
Bob R. wrote: Shel, Knowing that simplicity is your game - if not you name and Leica reigns supreme. Here is a must buy for you. One medium format camera that delivers the legendry mystique of leica in a larger format! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1296180628 Don't laugh, Bob--lots of great work has been done with Dianas. I used to have a wall calendar of Diana pictures, and there are a number of monographs of Diana pictures. You can make art with anything if you're an artist-- --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: CD-RW Question
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: OT: CD-RW Question In a message dated 11/12/01 1:08:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Quite expensive compared to a wet print if you are doing your own printing, probably 4 times more expensive. Interesting. Your price valuation was for a 4x6? What do you estimate for an 8x10? No, my price valuation was for an 8x10. It is not economical to do 4x6 prints on an inkjet. I can get a 4x6 proof (straight optical print, colour corrected, but no burning, dodging or spotting) for Can$0.23, the same from an inkjet would cost over a dollar. Of course, with the inkjet print, I could do some burning, dodging, spotting and contrast control as needed. if you are paying someone to do printing, then suddenly it looks pretty good from a cost standpoint also. But still expensive compared to self-printing in a lab? Very expensive compared to doing it yourself. Of course this presumes that the person is an adept darkroom worker, or that just straight prints are required. If the megative required extensive burning or dodging, the inkjet print may well be less expensive because of redos. They do have to be judged on their own merits. Like an apple and an orange, you can only compare them in some ways, and not others. They don't look (taste) the same, but both can be very good, or very bad. Also, I still think film is the best way to take a picture. I have yet to see a 100% digital print that I like. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 12:21 AM, David A. Mann wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A $4,000 PC ~does~ exceed a $4,000 MAC. Of course it does. A combination of economies of scale, and healthy competition in the hardware sector. One should not shop on price alone, however. While I agree that price is not the be-all and end-all, I'd also like to point out that parts of the Mac OS that are very important for imaging and pre-press cost very seriously large amounts of money to implement for the PC. If you're going to be working with printers other than the one attached to your computer, you need to be confident that what you're sending is what you'll be getting back. It all depends on what you're doing. For me, the Mac OS is the right choice. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
I Need Some Help wrt Air Crash
My sister lives in the area of the crashed plane. I've been trying to reach her ever since I read the news here this morning. Can't get through. Lines down or circuits busy. If someone lives in Queens, or nearby, could you please call my sister to find out if she's OK. I'll provide number off list. I'd appreciate any help ... -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 08:21 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: My experience, every time someone has showed me their digital print from an inkjet printer saying it is as good as a photographic print is to think, obviously you have never seen a good color print. Come to my lab. ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:I hate my sister
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 06:00 PM, David Brooks wrote: I hate my sister My brother killed our dad's Spotmatic. I felt so bad about it that I had to go out and buy him another one. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 01:08 AM, Mike Johnston wrote: I love the surface of the matte papers, the color purity, and the softness and scale of the tones. It has a sort of painterly feel that I particularly like. But I'm not sure I can defend it as being photo quality or as good as film or anything like that. I'm also not sure I'd want to. Last week was the first week ever at the store where we sold more watercolour/rice paper/odd media prints than 'photographic' style prints. The freedom to be creative offered by inkjet is intoxicating! -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH You won't know that for many years to come. Just because some marketing maven says it's so doesn't make it so. It may, or may not, be true. Actually, Henry Wilhelm has done fairly extensive testing on these things. He says the newer pigment based inks will last as long, or longer than a wet print (colour, blackand whhite fibre is still king). One does have to choose the paper carefully to get this life expectancy though. I have in my posession, colour prints that are less than 10 years old that have faded noticably, so wet prints have their problems as well. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Bob W. wrote: I'm convinced that digital output is now as good as chemical printing, and in my opinion more people can produce exhibition-quality photographs more easily using digital output than ever could using chemical means. If I remember correctly, LensWork is now selling edition fine prints that they make digitally from original _prints_. That is, they scan a traditional fine print and reproduce it digitally for sale. www.lenswork.com. Also, a number of photographers who use the Cone system have told me that they think their digital prints are _better_ than their traditional prints. Tina Manley has been using the Cone system for years now for black-and-white, both for repro and for sale. Incidentally, if you don't know her work, you should really check it out. www.tinamanley.com. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 03:08 PM, aimcompute wrote: Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between Mac and PC and what kind of time lag there is between release of the Windows version and when a Mac version is released. There are no compatibility issues between the files. The only issue is one of media used for transfer -- while a Mac will quite easily and cheerfully read and write a PC formatted floppy or zip or CD, the opposite is not true. Easy solution: always format your discs for PC. As to lag time, I haven't been closely following the releases. When was the last office for PC? Office XP? Office 10 for OS X should be shipping soon. There was a major upgrade for OS 9 last year. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
On Sunday, November 11, 2001, at 08:04 PM, Juan J. Buhler wrote: The print had the resolution handwritten in the back--it was the max resolution the 330 allows. I asked the salesman if it was an uncompressed file, and he said yes. Yet, the artifacts we were seeing might well have been compression artifacts, since they did seem too big for a 3+ megapixel file. Gotta remember -- just because there was no compression done in-camera, that doesn't mean that some clever soul didn't jpeg the hell out of it to fit it onto a floppy to take home to his or her printer. Yet another reason the tower at the store has no floppy drive. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: CD-RW Question
In a message dated 11/12/01 4:36:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Humm? I paid $139 for a new MB with a 900mhz Athlon Thunderbird on it at one of the local computer shows. I admit it would have cost another $50 with a 1.0ghz processor, but that leaves the question; why would he want to pay $250 for one? Now maybe with an onboard raid controller and a 1.2ghz processor. BTW the 900mhz T-Bird is faster than that 1.0ghz P-III. The preformance increace would not be worth upgrading from 667 to 1000. I find that you need to double your processor speed to make an upgrade worthwhile. It was a suggestion only. I followed your advice with my own upgrade: from Plll 450 MHz to Plll 1.2 GIG with 1.024 GIG of RAM, more than doubling my RAM (by 640 MB). I looked at others: a MOBO/900 Athlon combination (Bus speed up to 200 MHz) @ $129 ($109 after rebate) was an option, but I was thinking higher. *I then looked at a MOBO/processor combination of 1.4GIG Athlon (Bus speed up to 266 MHz) for $259 (no rebate) but passed for the one I bought. **Though I'd love to have a 266 Bus speed MOBO with a 1.4GIG PlV processor! ***I don't do a lot of downloads other than updates and I'm no gamer (unless Chessmaster 7) counts, so speed for speed's sake was not a factor. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Second Body
Hi Ed, The ZX-M was my first camera, and the 5n is my second, so I'm going the other way from you :-), but here's my .02 euros worth: 1. The mount is fine. I wouldn't hang a 600mm lens off it, but I have used it with my 24mm/f2.0 (around 400g) without any trouble. Okay it's polycarbonate, but so is bullet-proof glass: I don't believe Pentax would sell the camera with a plastic mount to save costs if it generated more returns because it wasn't able to hold their heavier lenses. Perversely, I think my 43mm/1.9 mates more snugly with the plastic mount on the MZ-M than the 5n's metal mount, but then I'm weird... 2. The M is a manual focus camera, so it doesn't need a circular polariser. If you don't have any polariser at all, get a circular to use on the M and/or 5n; if you want one for the M only, then a linear polariser is fine, and will produce better results. 3. The MZ-M's viewfinder is brighter than the 5n's, as it has a fully-reflective mirror sending light to it. The shutter and aperture info in the viewfinder can be hard to see in bright light, but is no worse than on the 5n. -- Kristian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
In a message dated 11/12/01 5:23:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sure, sure, I agree. Digital prints from drum scanned 10,000 dpi images printed on a $10- 20,000 printer are fantastic. I say again I have never seen a digital print made on a consumer grade printer that is as good as a good photographic print of the same size. Master! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
They're selling photogravure prints, aren't they. I don't think they're selling digitally printed photographs, but I could be mistaken. Mike Johnston wrote: If I remember correctly, LensWork is now selling edition fine prints that they make digitally from original _prints_. That is, they scan a traditional fine print and reproduce it digitally for sale. www.lenswork.com. Also, a number of photographers who use the Cone system have told me that they think their digital prints are _better_ than their traditional prints. Tina Manley has been using the Cone system for years now for black-and-white, both for repro and for sale. Incidentally, if you don't know her work, you should really check it out. www.tinamanley.com. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
35mm lens info on Pentax Japan site.
Hi, While looking around Pentax Japan to see if there were any pictures of the MZ-6, I came across an interesting PDF. It's the 35mm lens range catalogue, and I wonder why one of the regional sales companies hasn't translated it into English -- I think it would be very useful: http://www.pentax.co.jp/japan/product/catalog/pdf/35_lenses.pdf Okay, it's all in Japanese, but the facts and figures at the end are easy to pick out. There are pictures of each lens along with an optical diagram. It may be the only place you'll see some of the more exotic lenses... Also, the recommeded prices are given for each lens - up to a massive 1,300,000 Yen for the FA*250-600 monster zoom... I wonder does it come with its own car for that...? ;-) -- Kristian - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - a P.S.
Hi Mike, While I'm sure someone has already set you up (I read the posts late, lately). I have plenty of unused web space if you need to borrow a few megs (or tens of megs). Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.S. I hear I'm to get a Pentax Optio 440 for a few weeks to review. If anybody has some extra web space, can I send you some example shots to put up? Also, this means I get to participate in the PUG for once!!! I'm looking forward to that. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Bob W. wrote: I've seen hundreds of exhibitions by world-class photographers in world-class venues of both digital and chemical prints. I'm convinced that digital output is now as good as chemical printing, and in my opinion more people can produce exhibition-quality photographs more easily using digital output than ever could using chemical means. I agree with this. You may or may not like the look of digital prints as well as conventional prints, but they're certainly viable. I've never liked certain processes but I still am able to keep an open mind with regard to whether they've been used successfully or not. I hate glossy Cibachrome but I've seen (if rarely!) good Cibachrome pictures. I really dislike slide film pushed way past its ability to record a subject brightness range, but I appreciate Alex Webb's work--nobody sees the way his film sees, but he takes the limitations of slide film and uses it as an artistic element. He makes it works. The whole idea of 6 mp being the holy grail and digital needing to duplicate the amount of information in a 35mm slide is a bunch of hoo-hah if you ask me. Heck, how much information is there in Capa's picture of the dying Spanish soldier, or Ernst Haas's blurred bullfighters, or a Michael Kenna nightscape? Information doesn't have anything to do with art. If it looks good, then artists can work with it. If artists work with it, then you have to judge whether it's successful--whether it works for you--based on the work itself. That's the bottom line. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: CD-RW Question
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 08:36 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But still expensive compared to self-printing in a lab? I think that this kind of estimation depends on several factors -- 1) the cost to set up the lab vs. the cost to set up a digital darkroom (for colour, digital is significantly cheaper, particularly for larger format work) 2) chemical cost: labs that are run daily for extended periods are much cheaper chemistry-wise than labs that are run a few times a week, because the chemistry will go bad if not used and replenished, whereas inkjet ink/dye/pigment costs stay theoretically consistent regardless of volume 3) paper: photographic paper is much cheaper per-sheet than good photographic-quality inkjet paper (retail -- Kodak 8x10 x100 sheets E surface Supra II costs $34.99 CDN, vs. Ilford quick-dry photographic satin 8x10 x100 for $79.99, or Tetenal Portrait Luster 8x10 x50 sheets for $99.99) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Points of Order
Chris Brogden: Ok, but the Optio 430 doesn't have an uncompressed mode either. Shel: I don't know what uncompressed mode is, but the 420 does have a .TIFF format - at least that's what I recall. Nope. The Optio 430 has three resolutions and three compressions but doesn't support .tiff. There's no uncompressed file capture available. Antti-Pekka: I get print stability (100 years or more) as a bonus. Also, the color management is a lot easier with the computer darkroom. Shel: You won't know that for many years to come. Just because some marketing maven says it's so doesn't make it so. It may, or may not, be true. Don't mean to pick on you here, Shel my friend, it's not quite that unknowable. Henry Wilhelm runs an independent lab and had been working with print permanence for many decades (he was part of the original East Street Gallery that first devised archival washers for black-and-white). His integrity is unquestioned, and his methods for determining likely print LE (life expectancy) are by now very sophisticated. He did get blindsided by the ozone orange fade problem last year, but generally his methods are a pretty good indicator of likely print LE. After all, it's widely accepted that the permanence of a good platinum print is 200-500 years, but photography hasn't been around that long. These claims, while not 100% certain (what is?) are not just based on marketing. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
The freedom to be creative offered by inkjet is intoxicating! It's certainly useful to have one in cases where you don't have the negatives. Recently, a friend I grew up with turned 30, and for her birthday I found old pictures of us together, scanned them, and printed them on my HP Deskjet 970 Cxi, with HP's matte inkjet paper. The prints weren't quite photo quality, but they were pretty close, and my friend was very happy. :) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Points of Order
I know about Wilhelm, and it's the marketing people who are hyping print longevity. When I see a 50+ year old ink jet print that hasn't faded, I'll believe that they have reasonable longevity. Over the years many scientists, engineers, designers, and manufacturers have made innumerable claims, all based on then current knowledge and information, and many of those claims have been proven wrong. Mike Johnston wrote: Don't mean to pick on you here, Shel my friend, it's not quite that unknowable. Henry Wilhelm runs an independent lab and had been working with print permanence for many decades (he was part of the original East Street Gallery that first devised archival washers for black-and-white). His integrity is unquestioned, and his methods for determining likely print LE (life expectancy) are by now very sophisticated. He did get blindsided by the ozone orange fade problem last year, but generally his methods are a pretty good indicator of likely print LE. After all, it's widely accepted that the permanence of a good platinum print is 200-500 years, but photography hasn't been around that long. These claims, while not 100% certain (what is?) are not just based on marketing. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Could be worse
Bob W. wrote: It's my intuition that this is one of the things that bothers many people about digital printing (though most might not admit it): that it *is* easier. This has been true for literally the whole history of photography, as each improvement in convenience makes the hard-won expertise of the previous generation of practitioners obsolescent. It was true in the 1880s when the hand camera craze began and started to put portrait studios out of business. We're not as unlucky as the English colloquial photographer Paul Martin--he was a woodcutter for newspapers before mechanical reproduction came along. In a period of about six years, the entire woodcutting-for-repro profession was completely obliterated. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH take into account the sorry shadow detail
In a message dated 11/12/01 7:09:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another, real, bonus (even [especially?]for snapshots) is that, once you have the setup on a shot that you desire, you can churn out copy after copy with a single press of a button. In a darkroom, if a print takes twenty minutes to make, so does every one after that. mike Hmm, I seem to recall that once I have the color balance dialed into the enlarging head, I can expose about 12 8x10 (or other size) prints a minute, producing 60 8x10s, dry-to dry prints in about 37 minutes. Maybe what you say counts if one has a poor or BW negative and must dodge and burn parts of it. My own experience with digital is that even the quality in the SONY Mavica leaves images with much to be desired once uploaded, nearly every image needing some sort of tweaking before you can print them. Even then, what you get out of the printer (any) is ~NEVER~ what you see on the monitor. ~Each~ digital image comes out different and take more time to finish than chemical prints. That does ~not~ take into account the sorry shadow detail in digital prints (and slides), no matter what kind of flash is used. **Ever seen a digital print made from a slide with poor or no shadow detail? You'd lose your lunch! ***With digital paper costing an arm and leg, and having to sometimes print three-four-five tests to get one good print, who says digital is comparable in costs to chemical prints? With chemical prints of course, one uses test strips but one 8x10 film sheet will yield seven or eight strips. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] The worse thing about digital? It utterly fills up your hard drive with all these images you will never use but somehow feel an obligation to keep. I finally went through my HDD(s), purged them of images I would not need or use and gained back 1.6 GIG of space! Next, I'm setting my Norton SystemWorks2001 on the rest of the computer, purging all duplicate image files. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A=20Warranty=20repairs=20=28was=3A=20OT=3A=2 0CD=2DRW=...
In a message dated 11/12/01 9:01:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When I bought a monitor from them several years ago it was their policy not to accept monitors EVEN WITHIN WARRANTY for repair or exchange. They literally told me I had to take my broken monitor back home, pack it up and ship it back to the manufacturer for repair! There goes that knot in my belly-tightening-DRAT! Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Ok Shel -
Thanks for the pointer, Bob ... The Diana is on my short list, but first I have to get the Holga repaired g. Bob Rapp wrote: Shel, Knowing that simplicity is your game - if not you name and Leica reigns supreme. Here is a must buy for you. One medium format camera that delivers the legendry mystique of leica in a larger format! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1296180628 -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Second Body
Hi Ed, I never had any problem with the mount, and I changed lenses quite a bit when I had it. Lenses seemed to snap into place pretty solid, better than the P30t that I had (metal mount), but not so well as my ZX-5n or Super Programs for that matter. The heaviest lens that I have put on it was is a SMC K135/2.5. You might want to be careful about putting a real heavy lens on camera and then banging about with only the camera straps providing support. I think that would be an uncomfortable way carry a camera and large lens anyway. Still, mine has been dropped lens first a few times from waist height, and no issues with the mount. The ZX-M can use either a linear or circular polarizer. The viewfinder display of the ZX-M is exactly the same as the ZX-5n (except no in-focus indicator) so if you have trouble seeing the information in bright light with the '5n, expect the same with the ZX-M. (I had my ZX-M and '5n for a couple of years before I realized this was a problem, and then only when it was pointed out on the list. Bright sunny days=bad lighting most of the time in my book, so I rarely have my cameras out in those conditions.) From what I have been able gather, the Super Program seems to be a reliable body. The only thing that I've noticed on both of mine, is that with enough non-use, the self timer switch can get a little flaky. Solved by working it back and forth a couple of times. This was Pentax's top of the line A series body, so I think that it was fairly well built. Perhaps someone who has dissasembled one could tell us for sure. Sorry about the long post, I hope this helps to answer your questions. William in Utah. Thank you GREATLY for the comparison. Lots of points to consider. I have a couple of further questions if you don't mind too much: 1. How has the non-metal lens ZX-M mount fared? I currently have a SMC-A 28/2.8 and SMC-A 50/2.8 Macro (ignoring my F and FA lens). I looking at a SMC-A 135/2.8 now and thinking of adding a SMC-A 70-210/4. How do the heavier lens work? I'm really leaning towards using the second body only with primes as the rest of the family also uses the ZX-5n. 2. This may be a stupid question, but does the ZX-M require a circular polarizer like the ZX-5n? 3. You mentioned that the ZX-M's viewfinder in bright light. Is it as bad as the ZX-5n? 4. I never had my old SP CLA'ed. I've read about issues with the LX, etc. Is there anything to be wary of if I decide to go the SP route when looking for a SP body? Thanks much!!! Ed in Illinois Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Breaking News
In a message dated 11/12/01 9:32:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to CNN, an American Airlines 767 has just crashed in Queens, New York. Yep and according to my Microsoft Streets and Trips maps, less than 1.25 miles from my sister's house, 2.12 miles from my Mom. The crash is believed to be a mechanical malfunction (engine falling off) rather than due to a terrorist act. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
In a message dated 11/12/01 10:18:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It all depends on what you're doing. For me, the Mac OS is the right choice. Anyone like yourself who deals with a ton of graphics or CAD work might very well be better off with MAC/Apple. But your fields(s) comprise a statistically insignificant amount of PC users, who for the most part, ~don't~ need nor can afford MAC/Apples. And aren't the vast majority of MAC/Apples owned by businesses rather than individuals? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I Need Some Help wrt Air Crash
In a message dated 11/12/01 10:20:40 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My sister lives in the area of the crashed plane. I've been trying to reach her ever since I read the news here this morning. Can't get through. Lines down or circuits busy. I feel for you Shel. I've had the same problem. Even my sister's cellphone is out. My Mom, a few minutes away, can't reach her either. Worse, my Mom doesn't drive so that's out. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax FA 31/1.8 Limited; (very) early impressions
Pal, Are you sure it cannot be removed? The Pentax USA site lists it's weight without the hood. When I first got my 43/f.19 I couldn't remove the hood. Pushing downwards on the edge of the lens hood, palm toward the lens, and twisting did the trick.Believe me, it felt like it was in there for good when I tried to twist from the side. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Pål Audun Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 5:42 AM Subject: Pentax FA 31/1.8 Limited; (very) early impressions Just got the 31 Limited today. Not shot with it yet. It comes in a red leather case (the 43 and 77 comes in brown and green respectively; does the next Limited come in a blue case?). It is the most solid feeling Limited so far. That's says a lot. It's an extremely well finished and solid lens by any standards. The lens is utterly rattle-free. I think the lens is a good investment. Its destined to be a future collectable. Unfortunately the lens hood can NOT be removed. That's quite a suspect feature for a lens that's touted as the perfect landscape lens. It means that you can not use the Cokin system filters on this lens. Of course, you can hold filters like graduated ND's in front of the lens. You can, however, use regular screw-in filters. Pål - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Second Body
I haven't found the plastic mount to be an issue; the heavier lenses work fine with the ZX-M. In fact, I have the 70-210/4 (great lens, by the way) and use it without any problems. t On 11/12/01 6:38 AM, Ed Dombek wrote: 1. How has the non-metal lens ZX-M mount fared? I currently have a SMC-A 28/2.8 and SMC-A 50/2.8 Macro (ignoring my F and FA lens). I looking at a SMC-A 135/2.8 now and thinking of adding a SMC-A 70-210/4. How do the heavier lens work? I'm really leaning towards using the second body only with primes as the rest of the family also uses the ZX-5n. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: I Need Some Help wrt Air Crash
A few list members were able to get through to my sister and leave her a message, and, since my initial reaction to the news, I've learned that the crash was far enough away that my sister and niece are probably just fine. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feel for you Shel. I've had the same problem. Even my sister's cellphone is out. My Mom, a few minutes away, can't reach her either. Worse, my Mom doesn't drive so that's out. -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Juan, Chris ... We were looking at an Optio 430, not a 330. Correct, although I'm pretty sure the print we saw was from the 330. The guy said they didn't have a print from the 430, and showed us the 330 one. Or am I not remembering correctly? j -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Corporate Arrogance
Bruce wrote: Tom, snip How many individuals will go into a store to touch and figure out what they want, taking the salesman's time only to leave and buy mail order for a little cheaper. Retail stores are trying to compete and the way they can do that is to treat the customer much like a mail order house. It reduces expenses thus allowing more competitive prices. CompUSA on the other hand treats it's customers poorly without passing on any savings. It will eventually catch them. Bruce Dayton Bruce, I've done that multiple times and don't have a problem with it. Let me clarify before I get flamed off the list. :-) BTW, I'm not disagreeing with what you've said... only blabbing a little. 1. It's only natural to want to see, touch, hold, possibly operate the item that we may invest a lot of money in. You have to go to a retail outlet to do that. 2. I have found that *most* salesman in stores don't know what they're talking about, couldn't answer a question whose answer wasn't already on the fact tag on the shelf, normally wish to sell me the higher(est) priced item, or simply agree with whatever I say, in the hopes of making the sale. In the case of when I bought my PZ-1p, I had looked at Nikons first. When I asked for the Pentax, the salesman pulled it off the shelf, handed it to me, and very palpitatively, was no longer interested in continuing a conversation about this camera. Their price was $799 + 8.2% tax (I think I paid $479 + shipping). 3. Most times I find that I will know more about the product than the salesperson, and the questions I have to ask are more than the salesperson could possibly have an answer for, because they haven't used the product themselves. 4. I would guess that stores, to some degree, have this expense of *helping no sale customers* factored into their prices. The salesman is getting paid and that affects the price of products. I realize, as well, that a smaller stores cost may be higher on an item because of not receiving big volume discounts from the vendor. 5. I have no doubt that the salespersons themselves, would buy a given item mail order for a significantly lower price, were they not getting some kind of store discount. For those good, highly respectable, knowledgeable salespeople out there, who make their living by providing exceptional customer care and service, I do think it's unfair to monopolize a salesperson's time and pick their brain, doing so intentionally with knowledge and forethought, that one will not be purchasing the item there. I would *not* do that. I'm trying to think of my inventory and where/how I purchased. PZ-1p - mail order ZX-10 - mail order 500 FTZ flash - mail order FA 28-200 lens - mail order FA 80-320 lens - retail store FA 43 lens - retail store Tamron 28-300 lens - mail order Two Bogen tripods, a ball-head and another head - retail Other stuff like remote cables, etc. - mail order Minolta film scanner - mail order First desktop PC - mail order Another desktop PC - retail Laptop - retail 3 printers - retail Sony digital camera - retail Pentax binocs - Mail order Lot's of used stuff (2 bodies, 5 lenses) - retail Almost all my filters - retail (needed while on a trip or right away) And from now on almost all my film will be purchased mail order (paying twice the price locally is a little ridic). Must come out close to 50/50, on the side of retail vs. mail order taking into account used items. I find as I look over that list, a surprising trend. Most of my retail purchases *tended* to be impulse buys. Either I wanted the item really badly or I thought it was an exceptional deal. CompUSA's high prices/no real service, may indeed catch up with them someday. Vote with your wallet. Tom - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: CD-RW Question
Any brand recommendations or anecdotes.? Tom, I have an Iomega CD-RW I got off eBay at £125 about 6 months ago. It burns at 4 times speed from our iMac through USB no problem at all. Sure it's no speed merchant, but it was the right price at the time (6 months ago). It takes about 15 minutes to burn a bunch of music tracks onto a CD-R, a bit faster for a load of TIFFS. So far so good. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
It so happens Office and Photoshop, like malevolent viruses, have invaded and conquered PC computerdome-ask Apple/Mac folk if that isn't true? Mafud, This is entirely true. My sister's bloke (shoots wildlife with Canon and Bronica) uses Photoshop an a PC and swears by it. In fact, most of the windows and keyboard shortcuts are the same, the actual windows and dialogues themselves are similar. Being a Mac user, I had no trouble racing around Photoshop on his PC at all. These days it's more to do with what you're weened with, computer-wise. If you grow up with PCs, you tend to stay with them. The 2 graphic designers at our place grew up with PCs, and feel uneasy using the Mac. But that's only because they're used to the PC. There's no reason that they shouldn't continue to use the PC in their graphics environment, if that's what they feel happy with. It was the bosses who bought the Mac, cos they equated graphic design with Macintosh, now an outdated view. People use the Mac because they *want* to. Most people use a PC because they have to... Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Love at the first sight?
your MX, it is not junk. Actually it's the 2nd Best camera PenTax ever made. The LX is the first. I am extremely lucky in that I have the best and second best cameras (LX and MX) and it is now your supreme quest to seek out an LX for yourself. I don't know, from what I've heard the MZ-S is in there too. And if we're considering older cameras, where does the Spotmatic SP fall? Point taken Mike. I was just being selfish of course! ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between Mac and PC and what kind of time lag there is between release of the Windows version and when a Mac version is released. Office 98 was released for the Mac well before the Windows version... Signed, A. Fanatic ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Corporate Arrogance
Right smack on, and guess what? That attitude starts right at the very top in most cases and runs downhill like the Hershey Squirts (sorry can't resist that phraseology sometimes). Tom C. - Original Message - From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Re: Corporate Arrogance That is hitting the nail on the head, Marries. Disposable employees have no incentive to provide good customer service. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Corporate Arrogance Not to mention the disposability of employees. Maris - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: Corporate Arrogance | That's what I hate about today's business world. It's all Sell, Deposit, | Next Customer Please. Far more attention spent on luring customers in, | than on keeping them. We are disposable. | | Tom C. | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Subject: Remembrance Sunday - report (lengthy - put the kettle on...)
So when do we get to see pictures? Nick, I'm dropping them off for a one-hour C-41 bath tomorrow. I'll post them up soon, assuming there's anything worth seeing! Might be a bag of old festering b*ll*cks... Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
You might be correct. Juan J. Buhler wrote: On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Juan, Chris ... We were looking at an Optio 430, not a 330. Correct, although I'm pretty sure the print we saw was from the 330. The guy said they didn't have a print from the 430, and showed us the 330 one. Or am I not remembering correctly? -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
it's called Postscript. Or the free version Ghostscript. And yes you can use a Postscript printer on a PC. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 8:18 AM Subject: Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 12:21 AM, David A. Mann wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A $4,000 PC ~does~ exceed a $4,000 MAC. Of course it does. A combination of economies of scale, and healthy competition in the hardware sector. One should not shop on price alone, however. While I agree that price is not the be-all and end-all, I'd also like to point out that parts of the Mac OS that are very important for imaging and pre-press cost very seriously large amounts of money to implement for the PC. If you're going to be working with printers other than the one attached to your computer, you need to be confident that what you're sending is what you'll be getting back. It all depends on what you're doing. For me, the Mac OS is the right choice. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
was there an office 98? - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between Mac and PC and what kind of time lag there is between release of the Windows version and when a Mac version is released. Office 98 was released for the Mac well before the Windows version... Signed, A. Fanatic ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH take into account the sorry shadow detail
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:27 AM Subject: Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH take into account the sorry shadow detail In a message dated 11/12/01 7:09:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, ***With digital paper costing an arm and leg, and having to sometimes print three-four-five tests to get one good print, who says digital is comparable in costs to chemical prints? With chemical prints of course, one uses test strips but one 8x10 film sheet will yield seven or eight strips. You are in a unique position where you can do your own colour printing. If a person has to pay 15 bucks or more for a custom wet print, the digital prints suddenly make a lot of economic sense. I can make a good quality photograph on my computer for about 1/4 the cost of having the same print made by a custom lab. The worse thing about digital? It utterly fills up your hard drive with all these images you will never use but somehow feel an obligation to keep. I finally went through my HDD(s), purged them of images I would not need or use and gained back 1.6 GIG of space! Next, I'm setting my Norton SystemWorks2001 on the rest of the computer, purging all duplicate image files. Thats what CD burners were invented for. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
I guess so! Since there never was an Office 98 for Windows. I suspect that Office 98 for Mac was the same as Office 97 for Windows. Which would indicate that the run about a year behind. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between Mac and PC and what kind of time lag there is between release of the Windows version and when a Mac version is released. Office 98 was released for the Mac well before the Windows version... Signed, A. Fanatic ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
If there was, it was the bug fixes for Office 97, with more bugs included, so there could be a good reason for Office 2000. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Nicolas Colarusso, CGA [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) was there an office 98? - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...) Just curious, how compatible MS office applications are between Mac and PC and what kind of time lag there is between release of the Windows version and when a Mac version is released. Office 98 was released for the Mac well before the Windows version... Signed, A. Fanatic ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Points of Order
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: Points of Order I know about Wilhelm, and it's the marketing people who are hyping print longevity. When I see a 50+ year old ink jet print that hasn't faded, I'll believe that they have reasonable longevity. Over the years many scientists, engineers, designers, and manufacturers have made innumerable claims, all based on then current knowledge and information, and many of those claims have been proven wrong. And I still have properly stored colour prints that have faded in less than 10 years. The marketing people are hyping print longevity because of Wilhelm, not in spite of him. William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:free sites to post pictures??
If you have Photoshop 6 (I don't know about earlier versions) it will automatically prepare a website of images which you can just upload. Maris 5.5 does that too. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: CD-RW Question(s)
Question: who still uses their Zip Drives for images/anything? Mafud, I use 100MB Zips all the time. I transfer images across computers with them, I have a PowerBook entirely backed up on them (before I got the CD-RW), friends give me them so I can give them hi-res images to keep... Still used heavily. The modern day floppy to me. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:free sites to post pictures??
Cool! I have 6.0 but had to install it on my PC, where my SCSI scanner is not. I have yet to use 6.0 because of that. This is some impetus to reconfig my newer computer, get the SCSI card in it, and start using it, as intended originally, for all photographic type stuff. Thanks! Tom C. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: OT:free sites to post pictures?? If you have Photoshop 6 (I don't know about earlier versions) it will automatically prepare a website of images which you can just upload. Maris 5.5 does that too. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: CD-RW Question(s)
I have a 250mb external Zip. I don't use it hardly at all because my computer room is a disaster area. It's hard to get behind the computer and sort through the rat's nest of cables. It's easier to just fill up a hard drive, and then delete stuff I don't want. :-) Sharing lot's of images is a good use though. Although CD-R/RW might not require recipients to also have a Zip. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:24 PM Subject: Re: CD-RW Question(s) Question: who still uses their Zip Drives for images/anything? Mafud, I use 100MB Zips all the time. I transfer images across computers with them, I have a PowerBook entirely backed up on them (before I got the CD-RW), friends give me them so I can give them hi-res images to keep... Still used heavily. The modern day floppy to me. Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
My first inkjet printer was the Epson Photo EX (the first A3 with 6 color inks) and the estimates (by Wilhelm-Reseach) on photo paper were 1.5-2 years only, but I've had a printout hanging on my office wall under glass for about 3-4 years without noticeable fading. I concur. Although a nice print under glass of our two cats' faces hung in the hall right next to a door full of glass that catches the sun every day (partly as a test) faded readily to greens and yellows in a year. Another print hung on the same wall as a window, but not in direct line of sight of the window looks as good as the day it was printed - nearly three years ago. In fact all my other prints look just fine. Except for those trimmed to fit exactly to the size of the clipframe - you get a faded border eventually. I trim now to at least half an inch of the edge of the glass. Cotty PS - when I say that we catch the sun every day, it's a figure of speech - I *am* in England... ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Points of Order
Yes ... but hyping it they are. Just because some technical guru says a thing is so does not, in fact, make it so. Time will tell, not marketing mavens and technology wizards, regardless of their credentials. And, while we're on the subject, most of this discussion has centered around color. What about the longevity of BW ink jet prints compared to well-processed silver gelatin prints? It's my understanding that, in order to make fine quality BW ink jet prints, special inks are needed, which, in and of itself is not a bad thing, although, in order to print good color and good BW it's been suggested that a printer dedicated to each is ideal. Finally, let's talk about paper surfaces. Is it true that the longer-lived papers are generally matte finished, and that there are some problems with glossy papers? William Robb wrote: And I still have properly stored colour prints that have faded in less than 10 years. The marketing people are hyping print longevity because of Wilhelm, not in spite of him. William Robb -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Second hand Pentax gear in Oz?
Hi Rob: I'm afraid round here second-hand Pentax is as rare as hen's teeth - and if you find anything good in the Trading Post we'd probably be competing for it! The CM Weekend Shopper usually has one or two Pentax bits, but never very much. I check around the local photo stores occasionally, and Photo Continental; and Ted's both seem to have given up selling second-hand gear, so I'm afraid it's most likely to be Cash Converters - and I don't think they'd offer a guarantee! Incidentally, I've recently imported both an MZ-S and a 28-105 from Hong Kong, where my son lives. It's well worth doing, the cost is about 2/3rds the Ozzie price. John Coyle Brisbane, Australia On Monday, November 12, 2001 1:21 PM, Rob Geraghty [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote: I notice there's a few Ozzies on the list, so I wanted to ask the question - can anyone suggest places worth checking for second hand Pentax lenses? I don't ever seem to see them in the Trading Post (I live on the Gold Coast, so it's the edition for SEQ). Canon and Nikon, yes, but not Pentax unless it's someone selling a camera with one or more lenses Anyone have any suggestions? I'd like to find some more primes, and second hand would be more affordable *if* I can actually find any! Rob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re[2]: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
Liquid sunshine. Get your tan from standing in the English rain... Cotty PS - when I say that we catch the sun every day, it's a figure of speech - I *am* in England... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
ZENITAR-K 2.8/16 FISH-EYE LENS
Any comments on this lens? Good, bad, mediocre? Thanks. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:free sites to post pictures ??
Cotty wrote: If you have Photoshop 6 (I don't know about earlier versions) it will automatically prepare a website of images which you can just upload. Maris 5.5 does that too. Anyone know if version 6.0 does it any *better* than 5.5? I'd really like to be able to customize the HTML output a little. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT:free sites to post pictures??
Be sure to install the 6.01 upgrade, unless your CD install disk is already 6.01 as mine was. A number of bugs were fixed by the upgrade. Maris - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:33 PM Subject: Re: OT:free sites to post pictures?? | Cool! I have 6.0 but had to install it on my PC, where my SCSI scanner | is not. I have yet to use 6.0 because of that. This is some impetus to | reconfig my newer computer, get the SCSI card in it, and start using it, as | intended originally, for all photographic type stuff. Thanks! | | Tom C. | | - Original Message - | From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 1:24 PM | Subject: Re: OT:free sites to post pictures?? | | | If you have Photoshop 6 (I don't know about earlier versions) it will | automatically prepare a website of images which you can just upload. | | Maris | | 5.5 does that too. | | Cotty | | ___ | Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Check out the UK Macintosh ads | www.macads.co.uk | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:08 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: it's called Postscript. Or the free version Ghostscript. And yes you can use a Postscript printer on a PC. I was talking about ColorSync. Postscript is not particularly important in photographic imaging. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Windows XP - Scary! (Was=3 A OT: A computer question...)
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:19 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: I guess so! Since there never was an Office 98 for Windows. I suspect that Office 98 for Mac was the same as Office 97 for Windows. Which would indicate that the run about a year behind. I don't know if in this situation you can really call the upgrades behind or ahead. Office:mac:2001, as it is called by MS, while it retains all of Office's functionality, looks not really much at all like it's Win counterpart. Apparently, the major changes were in interface -- making it closer to the Mac standard, with menus, button bars, etc, in the places they would normally be in a Mac program. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Points of Order
On Monday, November 12, 2001, at 03:20 PM, William Robb wrote: And I still have properly stored colour prints that have faded in less than 10 years. The marketing people are hyping print longevity because of Wilhelm, not in spite of him. I have properly stored colour prints from the 70s that have faded rather severely in recent years. Good bye childhood! -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: A Nice Thing Happened
Tom C. wrote about a great story involving his recent aurora shots Hi Tom, That was a great story -- congratulations! I'm curious as to why that astronomer is also working in the photo lab where you get your slides developed, but that's probably a good story in itself. You mentioned that this fellow offered to make available to you a solar filter. Do you know if this is a metallized glass or polymer filter that simply acts as a broadband (UV-VIS-IR) ND6 neutral density filter, or is it the more exotic narrow-bandpass H-alpha filter? If it's the more exotic one, you may very well be able to capture solar flares and prominences on the right emulsion (e.g., Technical Pan 2415). Now ~those~ would be some spectacular solar shots! Please keep us all updated on the details. I expect we may be seeing some of your work in the Gallery section of an upcoming issue of Sky Telescope. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZENITAR-K 2.8/16 FISH-EYE LENS
I have one in Pentax K-mount. It's a very good lens, especially considering the price. It's really a good performer, so don't let the low price put you off. You could buy the Pentax equivalent, of course, and have a better lens but you'd have to use it a lot to justify spending that much money. Len --- - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 2:58 PM Subject: ZENITAR-K 2.8/16 FISH-EYE LENS Any comments on this lens? Good, bad, mediocre? Thanks. Tom C. - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - YUH
I have learned the calculation from a online digital course of New York institute for photography. I might have mixed up the dpi and ppi, but I understand the calculation as I did it is correct. Frits Wüthrich Chris Brogden wrote: True, but what I was saying was that I'm not sure that you can equate dpi and ppi. Can you? chris On Sun, 11 Nov 2001, Frits J. Wüthrich wrote: As a rule of thumb, the print requires 300dpi. so if you have 2000x1000dpi available that would allow for a 6.7x3.3. Chris Brogden wrote: I'm not sure if you can extrapolate directly and get 1024x2048 = an 8x10 at 128ppi x 205ppi - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: ZENITAR-K 2.8/16 FISH-EYE LENS
Hi Tom, I own the Zenitar (it's my second one) and I can say it's a very good performer. I don't know how it compares to Pentax fish-eyes, though. When I first used it in 1997 (on the Z-1p) the results seemed poor, with wash out colors, but it was my fault for not metering correctly (I had mostly FA and A lenses with me and trusted too much the meter of the Z-1p - bought brand new few weeks before - to care for the exposure... shame on me :-(). In 2000 I brought the Zenitar with me in France. The results were astonishing! Brilliant colors, no flare, almost no internal reflections even with the sun in the corner of the frame. The resolution seems really high, too. I have some shots I can send you off list if you wish. Like most Russian lenses, the color rendition is slightly on the warm side, but it goes almost unnoticed. It should come with some screw-in filters (UV, Yellow, Orange and Red). A filter must stay always on the lens (it's part of the optics, the lens cannot focus at infinity without). Hope this helps. Gianfranco - Original Message - From: aimcompute [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 9:58 PM Subject: ZENITAR-K 2.8/16 FISH-EYE LENS Any comments on this lens? Good, bad, mediocre? Thanks. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Pentax Optio Digital Camera - a P.S.
Dan S. wrote: Hi Mike, While I'm sure someone has already set you up (I read the posts late, lately). I have plenty of unused web space if you need to borrow a few megs (or tens of megs). Thanks to the several people who have kindly responded to my plea--I think I'll be all set as soon as I get the camera. Interestingly, getting a full file over the internet is just as good as getting it from the camera, so I can share files with others who can vicariously try out the camera. I'd even be willing to make specific shots if people are curious about certain things. More on this when the camera arrives. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: When the rain comes, you run and hide your head --John Lennon
Like the sky is falling g Unfortunately, I have to agree with you, Mike, as I don't like digital imaging, much preferring BW photography. Mike Johnston wrote: Sorry to be a grouch, but I stand by my statement: film is obsolescent. Not obsolete, but obsolescent. No, I don't think it will disappear...but the handwriting is on the wall...the stormclouds are gathering...and all the other clichés you can think of! -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter_pow.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
